From m.wanstall at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 00:50:14 2009 From: m.wanstall at gmail.com (Mal Wanstall) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:50:14 +1000 Subject: no kubuntu-users Digest Message-ID: <4fb9d14e0909301750l132771cfo8d708731ba2b9902@mail.gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:16:27 +0100 > From: Brian Norman Wootton > Subject: Re: no kubuntu-users Digest > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <4AC321EB.4070401 at btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Re: no kubuntu-users DigestBrian Norman Wootton wrote: > >> > Heven't received any Digests since 26/08/09, am I >> > missing something here? >> > brian >> > >> > >> > >> > I had to unsubscribe and then subscribe to this list to receive it > again. For some reason my original subscription was hosed and I did not > receive anything even though I was shown online as being subscribed. > Good luck! > > I got the list to send me a confirmation email, that seemed to fox it > for me, thanks. > It's going to take me a little time to catch up with 543 entries though! > brian My digests stopped on the same day (26/8) and just started working again about 3 days ago. I did nothing to get them going again, they just started coming properly again. Very strange! Still, glad it is fixed...whatever it was. -Mal From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 03:33:12 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:33:12 -0400 Subject: media players and browser plugins, KDE 4.3 In-Reply-To: <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <4AC336E0.5000305@gmail.com> <4AC35640.5020309@gmail.com> <4AC36A46.1090905@gmail.com> <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1254367992.2225.183.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:20 +0100, Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 15:25:10 O. Sinclair wrote: > > O. Sinclair wrote: > > > O. Sinclair wrote: > > >> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > >>> Hi there. > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 13:46, O. Sinclair wrote: > > >>>> Tried that, installing > > >>>> w32codecs > > >>>> that is. No luck whatsoever, > > >>> Because w32codecs is not what you need :) You need to install the > > >>> kubuntu-restricted-extras package, that should do the trick. And, of > > >>> course, restart KDE so the sound engine can load the codecs. > > >> after reinstallation of kubuntu-restricted-extras the browser tell me: > > >> xine-plugin: no mrl found in playlist > > >> > > > > > > The picture is one of mixed success: If I try to play BBC World Radio in > > > Firefox or Arora I get the above error and nothing but silence. The > > > media selector also claims I have Realplayer but not Windows Media > > > installed. > > > > > > If I try Konqueror I get "sent off" to Kaffeine and there it works. > > > > > > If I instead try Swedish Radio on www.sr.se all works as expected and > > > both formats are reported as existing... > > > > > > > added the links if anyone cares to try > > BBC World Services: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/schedules/internet/wsradio_today.shtml I just dnloaded the BBC iPlayer Desktop which installs Adobe Air. Listening just fine now. It's crystal clear. The install painless for Ubuntu/Kubuntu :) Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 03:45:30 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:45:30 -0400 Subject: media players and browser plugins, KDE 4.3 In-Reply-To: <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <4AC336E0.5000305@gmail.com> <4AC35640.5020309@gmail.com> <4AC36A46.1090905@gmail.com> <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1254368730.2225.195.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:20 +0100, Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 15:25:10 O. Sinclair wrote: > > O. Sinclair wrote: > > > O. Sinclair wrote: > > >> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > >>> Hi there. > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 13:46, O. Sinclair wrote: > > >>>> Tried that, installing > > >>>> w32codecs > > >>>> that is. No luck whatsoever, > > >>> Because w32codecs is not what you need :) You need to install the > > >>> kubuntu-restricted-extras package, that should do the trick. And, of > > >>> course, restart KDE so the sound engine can load the codecs. > > >> after reinstallation of kubuntu-restricted-extras the browser tell me: > > >> xine-plugin: no mrl found in playlist > > >> > > > > > > The picture is one of mixed success: If I try to play BBC World Radio in > > > Firefox or Arora I get the above error and nothing but silence. The > > > media selector also claims I have Realplayer but not Windows Media > > > installed. Oh yeah, here's the URL for BBC's install for Linux. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/ If you're running 64bit, then you'll want to read the notes. Ric From velroij at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 12:38:31 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:38:31 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Installer Bling Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910010538h73bb8a69i11a1bbfb76b8db39@mail.gmail.com> Hello Kubuntu Devs, I wanna help you out by translating the missing strings in the installator, but can on of you please provide me a .po file from this installer so I can translate the missing strings in Dutch. Dear regards Wesley Velroij -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Luca From vladimir at highskytech.com Thu Oct 1 13:08:01 2009 From: vladimir at highskytech.com (Vladimir) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 23:08:01 +1000 Subject: rsync without password Message-ID: <200910012308.01507.vladimir@highskytech.com> Hi, I'm getting a bit annoying researching for a way to synchronize my home few boxes using rsync. I was trying to use /etc/rcync.conf and rcync.secrets on a destination host. I also was trying to generate id_rsa.pub on source host and transfer it to the destination. I simply was trying to use RSYNC_PASSWORD environment variable on both source and destination and absolutelly no luck to exchange files without prompting for a password. Any help would be greately appreciated. Vladimir -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluca1978 at infinito.it Thu Oct 1 13:25:36 2009 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:25:36 +0200 Subject: rsync without password In-Reply-To: <200910012308.01507.vladimir@highskytech.com> References: <200910012308.01507.vladimir@highskytech.com> Message-ID: <200910011525.36508.fluca1978@infinito.it> You should configure first ssh to use the agent in order to connect without having the user to insert a password, then rsync will work seamlessly. You have to produce an rsa or dsa key pair and place the pub key to the target host and append it to he $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys. Then try to ssh the target host and see if it prompts for a password. Also use the -vvv flag while ssh-ing the target host to see what is going wrong. Hope this helps. Luca On Thursday 01 October 2009 03:08:01 pm Vladimir's cat walking on the keyboard wrote: > Hi, > > I'm getting a bit annoying researching for a way to synchronize my home few > boxes using rsync. > I was trying to use /etc/rcync.conf and rcync.secrets on a destination > host. I also was trying to generate id_rsa.pub on source host and transfer > it to the destination. > I simply was trying to use RSYNC_PASSWORD environment variable on both > source and destination and absolutelly no luck to exchange files without > prompting for a password. > > Any help would be greately appreciated. > Vladimir > From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 14:19:51 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:19:51 +0200 Subject: media players and browser plugins, KDE 4.3 In-Reply-To: <1254368730.2225.195.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AC336E0.5000305@gmail.com> <4AC35640.5020309@gmail.com> <4AC36A46.1090905@gmail.com> <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254368730.2225.195.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4AC4BA87.2020402@gmail.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:20 +0100, Mark Greenwood wrote: >> On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 15:25:10 O. Sinclair wrote: >>> O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>>>>> Hi there. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 13:46, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>>> Tried that, installing >>>>>>> w32codecs >>>>>>> that is. No luck whatsoever, >>>>>> Because w32codecs is not what you need :) You need to install the >>>>>> kubuntu-restricted-extras package, that should do the trick. And, of >>>>>> course, restart KDE so the sound engine can load the codecs. >>>>> after reinstallation of kubuntu-restricted-extras the browser tell me: >>>>> xine-plugin: no mrl found in playlist >>>>> >>>> The picture is one of mixed success: If I try to play BBC World Radio in >>>> Firefox or Arora I get the above error and nothing but silence. The >>>> media selector also claims I have Realplayer but not Windows Media >>>> installed. > > Oh yeah, here's the URL for BBC's install for Linux. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/ > If you're running 64bit, then you'll want to read the notes. Ric > > quote: Sorry, downloading from BBC iPlayer is only available in the UK (why?). and why goes: The BBC uses Geo-IP technology to identify where your are based on the location of your internet service provider (ISP). This ensures that only internet users in the UK can enjoy programmes on BBC iPlayer - you can read our advice to find out more about on-demand rights. If you download a programme to your laptop or a portable hard drive, you can watch this wherever you are in the world. However, you will only be able to download new programmes once you return to the UK. From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com Thu Oct 1 14:49:40 2009 From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:49:40 +0100 Subject: media players and browser plugins, KDE 4.3 In-Reply-To: <4AC4BA87.2020402@gmail.com> References: <4AC336E0.5000305@gmail.com> <4AC35640.5020309@gmail.com> <4AC36A46.1090905@gmail.com> <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254368730.2225.195.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC4BA87.2020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:19:51 +0100, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Oh yeah, here's the URL for BBC's install for Linux. >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/ >> If you're running 64bit, then you'll want to read the notes. Ric >> >> > quote: > Sorry, downloading from BBC iPlayer is only available in the UK (why?). > and why goes: > > The BBC uses Geo-IP technology to identify where your are based on the > location of your internet service provider (ISP). This ensures that only > internet users in the UK can enjoy programmes on BBC iPlayer - you can > read our advice to find out more about on-demand rights. > > If you download a programme to your laptop or a portable hard drive, you > can watch this wherever you are in the world. However, you will only be > able to download new programmes once you return to the UK. > Licencing issuse I should imagine, along with the fact that the BBC is paid for by UK residents with the television licence. -- Steve From wayward4now at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 15:03:36 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:03:36 -0400 Subject: media players and browser plugins, KDE 4.3 In-Reply-To: <4AC4BA87.2020402@gmail.com> References: <4AC336E0.5000305@gmail.com> <4AC35640.5020309@gmail.com> <4AC36A46.1090905@gmail.com> <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254368730.2225.195.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC4BA87.2020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254409416.2225.354.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 16:19 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:20 +0100, Mark Greenwood wrote: > >> On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 15:25:10 O. Sinclair wrote: > >>> O. Sinclair wrote: > >>>> O. Sinclair wrote: > >>>>> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > >>>>>> Hi there. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 13:46, O. Sinclair wrote: > >>>>>>> Tried that, installing > >>>>>>> w32codecs > >>>>>>> that is. No luck whatsoever, > >>>>>> Because w32codecs is not what you need :) You need to install the > >>>>>> kubuntu-restricted-extras package, that should do the trick. And, of > >>>>>> course, restart KDE so the sound engine can load the codecs. > >>>>> after reinstallation of kubuntu-restricted-extras the browser tell me: > >>>>> xine-plugin: no mrl found in playlist > >>>>> > >>>> The picture is one of mixed success: If I try to play BBC World Radio in > >>>> Firefox or Arora I get the above error and nothing but silence. The > >>>> media selector also claims I have Realplayer but not Windows Media > >>>> installed. > > > > Oh yeah, here's the URL for BBC's install for Linux. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/ > > If you're running 64bit, then you'll want to read the notes. Ric > > > > > quote: > Sorry, downloading from BBC iPlayer is only available in the UK (why?). > and why goes: While it says that, if you hit the download button it'll do so. I live south of Richmond Virginia and I installed it just peachy. : Ric From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 16:18:03 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:18:03 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2.2 Message-ID: Hi! I see that Amarok 2.2 http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2 has been released today. Anyone know if there is any packages for Jaunty to download or if it would show up in backports or a PPA? / Jonas From ketelaars at wanadoo.nl Thu Oct 1 16:20:55 2009 From: ketelaars at wanadoo.nl (Frans Ketelaars) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: acer aspire sound problem References: <200910011505.22729.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:05:22 +0200, Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi all, > I've got an acer aspire 6935 and I'm not able to make sound working. I'm > using kubuntu 9.04 and the alsa information about my system are at the > following address: http://www.alsa- > project.org/db/?f=2e8ddfe06f28c77e3c2da25405c95ca2fa66781d > > Someone can help me understanding the problem, since the module seems to > be loaded? > > Thanks, > Luca I found this (google -> site:www.alsa-project.org/ acer aspire 6935): http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Changes_v1.0.20_v1.0.21 which says: "ALSA: hda - Add quirk for Acer Aspire 6935", so it seems the ALSA team got it working properly in the new 1.0.21 ALSA version released 2009-08-31 according to their homepage. The link to your ALSA info indicates you are using "Driver version: 1.0.18rc3" ... Good luck! -Frans From muzerakascooby at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 16:21:36 2009 From: muzerakascooby at gmail.com (Muzer) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:21:36 +0100 Subject: media players and browser plugins, KDE 4.3 In-Reply-To: References: <4AC336E0.5000305@gmail.com> <4AC35640.5020309@gmail.com> <4AC36A46.1090905@gmail.com> <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254368730.2225.195.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC4BA87.2020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AC4D710.30102@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve wrote: > On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:19:51 +0100, O. Sinclair > wrote: > > >>> Oh yeah, here's the URL for BBC's install for Linux. >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/ >>> If you're running 64bit, then you'll want to read the notes. Ric >>> >>> >> quote: >> Sorry, downloading from BBC iPlayer is only available in the UK (why?). >> and why goes: >> >> The BBC uses Geo-IP technology to identify where your are based on the >> location of your internet service provider (ISP). This ensures that only >> internet users in the UK can enjoy programmes on BBC iPlayer - you can >> read our advice to find out more about on-demand rights. >> >> If you download a programme to your laptop or a portable hard drive, you >> can watch this wherever you are in the world. However, you will only be >> able to download new programmes once you return to the UK. >> > Licencing issuse I should imagine, along with the fact that the BBC is > paid for by UK residents with the television licence. > Yeah, we pay for it out of our TV license so we don't have adverts :) Though if you don't have a TV licence you can still use iPlayer, so yeah, not an infallible system ;) - -- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a--- C+++ UL+++>++++ P+>+++ L+++>+++++ E---->--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? 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Anyone know if there is any packages for Jaunty to > download or if it would show up in backports or a PPA? > > / Jonas > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabiolocati at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 18:05:31 2009 From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:05:31 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2.2 In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910011057s43e3e544tbc532da0cb6f2d80@mail.gmail.com> References: <9cc2d16c0910011057s43e3e544tbc532da0cb6f2d80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d9482340910011105t4c6f837ah8be867ac0c5452d1@mail.gmail.com> Probably you have to wait a couple of days ;) On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Wesley Velroij wrote: > Just use Juk > > 2009/10/1 Jonas Norlander >> >> Hi! >> >> I see that Amarok 2.2 http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2 has been >> released today. Anyone know if there is any packages for Jaunty to >> download or if it would show up in backports or a PPA? >> >> / Jonas >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabiolocati at gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 20:20:04 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:20:04 +0300 Subject: prerouting packet on same computer Message-ID: <4AC50EF4.6020109@gmail.com> hi, i want to forward packets going to port 80 into 3128, using iptables. the only problem is, this prerouting, while easy to achive if i'm forwarding the packets COMING to port, is hell for packets going to port 80. the only command i see all over the web is: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 this doesn't work if the packets are originating from this computer. anyone good with iptables who can help? thanks -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:23:07 +0300 Subject: controlling on-boot fsck on improperly unmounted partitions Message-ID: <4AC50FAB.80307@gmail.com> hi, it is very frequent that i might lose power, accidentally do something wrong, well... crap happens and my kubuntu session doesn't get properly shut down. upon boot, fsck detects this, detects the weird errors, i get dropped to a maintenance shell asking me to run fsck manually with no -a or -p options. naturally, i am not going to run "fsck /dev/sdc1" and go through all the choices which i really have no control on anyways. a corrupted file is corupted, a repairable file is repairable. so i do "fsck /dev/sdc1 -y", to let it answer yes on all questions to be asked. is there anyway to let fsck do this automatically? i mean other than running fsck on the disk, what else the user would do? so it's pointless to drop me to such a shell. the other thing is, this is not very user-friendly. i can't imagine unexperienced users running a manual fsck, or worse, answering the million questions fsck is going to ask. -- Willy K. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From john.j35 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 20:56:09 2009 From: john.j35 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:56:09 -0400 Subject: rsync without password In-Reply-To: <200910012308.01507.vladimir@highskytech.com> References: <200910012308.01507.vladimir@highskytech.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Vladimir wrote: > Hi, > > I'm getting a bit annoying researching for a way to synchronize my home few > boxes using rsync. > I was trying to use /etc/rcync.conf and rcync.secrets on a destination host. > I also was trying to generate id_rsa.pub on source host and transfer it to > the destination. > I simply was trying to use RSYNC_PASSWORD environment variable on both > source and destination and absolutelly no luck to exchange files without > prompting for a password. > > Any help would be greately appreciated. > Vladimir > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > This should get you a long way toward the passwordless ssh login: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 I used this and it does function. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 21:22:39 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:22:39 -0600 Subject: prerouting packet on same computer In-Reply-To: <4AC50EF4.6020109@gmail.com> References: <4AC50EF4.6020109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AC51D9F.3020500@gmail.com> Willy K. Hamra said the following at 10/01/2009 02:20 PM : > hi, i want to forward packets going to port 80 into 3128, using iptables. > the only problem is, this prerouting, while easy to achive if i'm > forwarding the packets COMING to port, is hell for packets going to port 80. > the only command i see all over the web is: > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT > --to-port 3128 > this doesn't work if the packets are originating from this computer. > anyone good with iptables who can help? > thanks > If I understand your question correctly (which I'm not sure I do), I think you should be looking at POSTROUTING, not PREROUTING. 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Anyone know if there is any packages for Jaunty to >>> download or if it would show up in backports or a PPA? >>> >>> / Jonas I am sure it will end up in a PPA somewhere, but I think that there might still be a problem with building 2.2 with Jaunty's version of taglib or something along those lines. So it might take longer :) From jonorland at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 22:26:45 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:26:45 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2.2 In-Reply-To: <4AC52146.7060200@midmaine.com> References: <9cc2d16c0910011057s43e3e544tbc532da0cb6f2d80@mail.gmail.com> <3d9482340910011105t4c6f837ah8be867ac0c5452d1@mail.gmail.com> <4AC52146.7060200@midmaine.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:38 PM, clay weber wrote: > m sure it will end up in a PPA somewhere, but I think that there > might still be a problem with building 2.2 with Jaunty's version of > taglib or something along those lines. So it might take longer :) Yeah that is what I think to as if i remember right 2.2 require taglib 1.6. I do hope someone will build packages for Jaunty but i guess i can wait a few weeks and upgrade to Karmica. / Jonas From velroij at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 22:27:20 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:27:20 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2.2 In-Reply-To: <4AC52146.7060200@midmaine.com> References: <9cc2d16c0910011057s43e3e544tbc532da0cb6f2d80@mail.gmail.com> <3d9482340910011105t4c6f837ah8be867ac0c5452d1@mail.gmail.com> <4AC52146.7060200@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910011527m45adb5f8gde482c995fc6011@mail.gmail.com> Just add karmic mirror :P I have Jaunty mirrors in karmic when its not for karmic. 2009/10/1 clay weber > Fabio Locati wrote: > > Probably you have to wait a couple of days ;) > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Wesley Velroij > wrote: > >> Just use Juk > >> > >> 2009/10/1 Jonas Norlander > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> I see that Amarok 2.2 http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2 has been > >>> released today. Anyone know if there is any packages for Jaunty to > >>> download or if it would show up in backports or a PPA? > >>> > >>> / Jonas > > I am sure it will end up in a PPA somewhere, but I think that there > might still be a problem with building 2.2 with Jaunty's version of > taglib or something along those lines. So it might take longer :) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 23:12:43 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:12:43 +0300 Subject: Amarok 2.2 In-Reply-To: References: <9cc2d16c0910011057s43e3e544tbc532da0cb6f2d80@mail.gmail.com> <3d9482340910011105t4c6f837ah8be867ac0c5452d1@mail.gmail.com> <4AC52146.7060200@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4AC5376B.2060005@gmail.com> Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:38 PM, clay weber wrote: >> m sure it will end up in a PPA somewhere, but I think that there >> might still be a problem with building 2.2 with Jaunty's version of >> taglib or something along those lines. So it might take longer :) > > Yeah that is what I think to as if i remember right 2.2 require taglib > 1.6. I do hope someone will build packages for Jaunty but i guess i > can wait a few weeks and upgrade to Karmica. > > / Jonas > yup. i'm on karmic here, and i build amarok from source every week. it now depends on taglib 1.6, and would not work with any older version. though as much as i understood from the Changlog, was that it CAN use taglib 1.6 if i have it, though while configuring, it flat out refused to use 1.5. had to wait a couple of days to get 1.6 in karmic repos. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 06:17:58 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:17:58 +0200 Subject: media players and browser plugins, KDE 4.3 In-Reply-To: <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <4AC336E0.5000305@gmail.com> <4AC35640.5020309@gmail.com> <4AC36A46.1090905@gmail.com> <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4AC59B16.4060907@gmail.com> Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 15:25:10 O. Sinclair wrote: >> O. Sinclair wrote: >>> O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>>>> Hi there. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 13:46, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>> Tried that, installing >>>>>> w32codecs >>>>>> that is. No luck whatsoever, >>>>> Because w32codecs is not what you need :) You need to install the >>>>> kubuntu-restricted-extras package, that should do the trick. And, of >>>>> course, restart KDE so the sound engine can load the codecs. >>>> after reinstallation of kubuntu-restricted-extras the browser tell me: >>>> xine-plugin: no mrl found in playlist >>>> >>> The picture is one of mixed success: If I try to play BBC World Radio in >>> Firefox or Arora I get the above error and nothing but silence. The >>> media selector also claims I have Realplayer but not Windows Media >>> installed. >>> >>> If I try Konqueror I get "sent off" to Kaffeine and there it works. >>> >>> If I instead try Swedish Radio on www.sr.se all works as expected and >>> both formats are reported as existing... >>> >> added the links if anyone cares to try >> BBC World Services: >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/schedules/internet/wsradio_today.shtml > > They work for me in Firefox using the mplayer plugin. Make sure you have medibuntu repositories enabled and install mozilla-mplayer, w32-codecs, and kubuntu-restricted-extras. Make sure your BBC preferences are set to use RealPlayer as it doesn't seem to work with Windows Media streaming. > > With the mplayer plugin you have to wait several seconds for it to buffer before it will start playing, this has caught me out in the past. If you have flash and the mplayer plugin installed I've not found a single website that doesn't work in Firefox. Konqueror is another matter, but I never use it so I can't comment. > > As it seems you have the xine plugin installed, you may have to remove that to stop it trying to play streams that are better handled by mplayer. > this works for Firefox for sure. Arora browser now crashes spectularly when I try to access BBC. Konqueror opens a player but nothing happens. Swedish Radio works in all 3... but it did with Xine too. Weird - BBC must have some really strange stream for their live radio From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 06:19:51 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:19:51 +0200 Subject: media players and browser plugins, KDE 4.3 In-Reply-To: <1254409416.2225.354.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AC336E0.5000305@gmail.com> <4AC35640.5020309@gmail.com> <4AC36A46.1090905@gmail.com> <200909301920.51503.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254368730.2225.195.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC4BA87.2020402@gmail.com> <1254409416.2225.354.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4AC59B87.4090309@gmail.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 16:19 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Ric Moore wrote: >>> On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:20 +0100, Mark Greenwood wrote: >>>> On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 15:25:10 O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>> O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>> O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>>> Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 13:46, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>>>>>>> Tried that, installing >>>>>>>>> w32codecs >>>>>>>>> that is. No luck whatsoever, >>>>>>>> Because w32codecs is not what you need :) You need to install the >>>>>>>> kubuntu-restricted-extras package, that should do the trick. And, of >>>>>>>> course, restart KDE so the sound engine can load the codecs. >>>>>>> after reinstallation of kubuntu-restricted-extras the browser tell me: >>>>>>> xine-plugin: no mrl found in playlist >>>>>>> >>>>>> The picture is one of mixed success: If I try to play BBC World Radio in >>>>>> Firefox or Arora I get the above error and nothing but silence. The >>>>>> media selector also claims I have Realplayer but not Windows Media >>>>>> installed. >>> Oh yeah, here's the URL for BBC's install for Linux. >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/ >>> If you're running 64bit, then you'll want to read the notes. Ric >>> >>> >> quote: >> Sorry, downloading from BBC iPlayer is only available in the UK (why?). >> and why goes: > > While it says that, if you hit the download button it'll do so. I live > south of Richmond Virginia and I installed it just peachy. : Ric > OK might check this later though I dislike the thought of having to install separate software for something that "should" work using the browsers and/or media players that are there. But OK - maybe I just live with using Kaffeine for BBC as it actually works From myriam at ubuntu.com Fri Oct 2 10:50:47 2009 From: myriam at ubuntu.com (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:50:47 +0200 Subject: Amarok 2.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jonas, On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 18:18, Jonas Norlander wrote: > Hi! > > I see that Amarok 2.2 http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2 has been > released today. Anyone know if there is any packages for Jaunty to > download or if it would show up in backports or a PPA? There are no plans to backport Amarok 2.2 to Jaunty, simply because Karmic is in Beta now and to be released in less than a month. Since there are quite a few dependencies to build, too, this would be a lot of work for Jaunty. You can get Amarok 2.2 through the Neon repositories, though, where you can also get KDE from trunk: https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/ppa Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From david at dmcentral.net Fri Oct 2 11:32:19 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 07:32:19 -0400 Subject: scanning Message-ID: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> Hi All, Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't working and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one just fine. Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up that I needed to scan some images and scanning is broke. I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my TV card is my scanner and there is no option to change this. So I installed scan lite and get the same results. last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I could use there with no luck whatsoever. I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the libkscan library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so frustrated it's hard to stay calm. Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any suggestions? -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 12:31:53 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:31:53 +0200 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <4AC5F2B9.6040400@gmail.com> David McGlone wrote: > Hi All, > > Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't working > and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. > > I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one just fine. > Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up that I needed to scan > some images and scanning is broke. > > I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my TV card is > my scanner and there is no option to change this. > > So I installed scan lite and get the same results. > > last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I could use > there with no luck whatsoever. > > I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the libkscan > library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. > > All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so frustrated > it's hard to stay calm. > > Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any > suggestions? > try installing Skanlite - I just tested it in Karmic Beta and it hooked up with my Canon scanner just fine. I also used Kooka (still use, production computer still on KDE3) and in some ways Skanlite is actually better. Now if they could just add save to pdf from Skanlite so I dont have to install gscan2pdf From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 12:54:11 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:54:11 +0200 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910021454.11869.donn.ingle@gmail.com> David, Try to run one of those scan apps from a konsole. You may get lucky and see some useful information. Post anything you get here for maximum luck. \d From magick.crow at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 14:43:25 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:43:25 +0200 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910021454.11869.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021454.11869.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Donn wrote: > David, > Try to run one of those scan apps from a konsole. You may get lucky and see > some useful information. Post anything you get here for maximum luck. > > \d This might sound dumb but it often works better than a scanner. Use a digital camera. Most have a macho feature so you can take great close ups. I do this with mine when doing research in the library. It is faster and easier that any other way I have found plus you have a portable viewer at the same time. I use a canon powershot a520. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From jaylinux53 at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 14:54:24 2009 From: jaylinux53 at gmail.com (Jay Mistry) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:24:24 +0530 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:02 PM, David McGlone wrote: > Hi All, > > Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't working > and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. > > I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one just fine. > Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up that I needed to scan > some images and scanning is broke. > > I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my TV card is > my scanner and there is no option to change this. > > So I installed scan lite and get the same results. > > last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I could use > there with no luck whatsoever. > > I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the libkscan > library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. > > All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so frustrated > it's hard to stay calm. > > Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any > suggestions? Try upgrading or reinstalling (in that order) the HP drivers. You may also find something related to your scanner model at the newly-launched HP Linux portal: http://communitylinux.org/ Jay -- Linux User 483705 | openSUSE 11.1, Ubuntu 9.04 (i686) w/ Windows XP Smolts Profile: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/?uuid=pub_b541a450-9bc1-45fd-beab-d46ee43a0108 From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 16:46:09 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:46:09 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <1254501969.2225.590.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 07:32 -0400, David McGlone wrote: > Hi All, > > Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't working > and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. > > I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one just fine. > Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up that I needed to scan > some images and scanning is broke. > > I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my TV card is > my scanner and there is no option to change this. > > So I installed scan lite and get the same results. > > last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I could use > there with no luck whatsoever. > > I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the libkscan > library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. > > All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so frustrated > it's hard to stay calm. > > Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any > suggestions? This may sound crazy, but one time when my HP scanner refused to scan, after closing and opening the lid, it worked. Beats me why, but that was my experience. :) Ric From david at dmcentral.net Fri Oct 2 19:11:11 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:11:11 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <4AC5F2B9.6040400@gmail.com> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <4AC5F2B9.6040400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 02 October 2009 08:31:53 am O. Sinclair wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't > > working and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. > > > > I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one just > > fine. Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up that I > > needed to scan some images and scanning is broke. > > > > I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my TV > > card is my scanner and there is no option to change this. > > > > So I installed scan lite and get the same results. > > > > last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I could > > use there with no luck whatsoever. > > > > I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the > > libkscan library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. > > > > All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so > > frustrated it's hard to stay calm. > > > > Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any > > suggestions? > > try installing Skanlite - I just tested it in Karmic Beta and it hooked > up with my Canon scanner just fine. I also used Kooka (still use, > production computer still on KDE3) and in some ways Skanlite is actually > better. > > Now if they could just add save to pdf from Skanlite so I dont have to > install gscan2pdf Well I finally got at least my scanner recognized, and it opened a whole new can of worms!! Now SANE recognizes my scanner and I scan an image, but try to save it and SANE crashes. No error no nothing! So I try scanlite. It works, but it takes it a good 4 minutes to scan a wallet size picture. Pathetic! After scanning with scanlite, I needed to edit the image, so I fire up gimp click open and gimp crashes every time. No error nothing! Pathetic! So I switch over to gnome, still same results with gimp, but this time all my icons on my desktop magically disappear and nothing works! Ha Pathetic! I reboot 2 times each time trying KDE and Gnome, still same results. PATHETIC! At least KDE let me run Kontact and dolphin without crashing, Gnome wouldn't even do that! And they say linux is the better choice? They are full of it! 2 days just to scan a picture???? Excuse my language but I'm so P'd off it's PATHETIC! LOL -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From donn.ingle at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 19:25:55 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:25:55 +0200 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <4AC5F2B9.6040400@gmail.com> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Friday 02 October 2009 21:11:11 David McGlone wrote: > Now SANE recognizes my scanner and I scan an image, but try to save it and > SANE crashes. No error no nothing! Run it from a konsole. > edit the image, so I fire up gimp click open and gimp crashes every time. > No error nothing! Pathetic! Run it from a konsole. > I reboot 2 times each time trying KDE and Gnome, still same results. > PATHETIC! Sounds like something is going badly wrong with your machine. I would suspect hardware. I use gimp often and have for years, it's not an app that crashes. \d From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 2 19:32:08 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:32:08 +0100 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <4AC5F2B9.6040400@gmail.com> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910022032.08655.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Friday 02 Oct 2009 20:11:11 David McGlone wrote: > On Friday 02 October 2009 08:31:53 am O. Sinclair wrote: > > David McGlone wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't > > > working and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. > > > > > > I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one just > > > fine. Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up that I > > > needed to scan some images and scanning is broke. > > > > > > I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my TV > > > card is my scanner and there is no option to change this. > > > > > > So I installed scan lite and get the same results. > > > > > > last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I could > > > use there with no luck whatsoever. > > > > > > I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the > > > libkscan library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. > > > > > > All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so > > > frustrated it's hard to stay calm. > > > > > > Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any > > > suggestions? > > > > try installing Skanlite - I just tested it in Karmic Beta and it hooked > > up with my Canon scanner just fine. I also used Kooka (still use, > > production computer still on KDE3) and in some ways Skanlite is actually > > better. > > > > Now if they could just add save to pdf from Skanlite so I dont have to > > install gscan2pdf > > Well I finally got at least my scanner recognized, and it opened a whole new > can of worms!! > > Now SANE recognizes my scanner and I scan an image, but try to save it and > SANE crashes. No error no nothing! > > So I try scanlite. It works, but it takes it a good 4 minutes to scan a wallet > size picture. Pathetic! After scanning with scanlite, I needed to edit the > image, so I fire up gimp click open and gimp crashes every time. No error > nothing! Pathetic! > > So I switch over to gnome, still same results with gimp, but this time all my > icons on my desktop magically disappear and nothing works! Ha Pathetic! > > I reboot 2 times each time trying KDE and Gnome, still same results. PATHETIC! > > At least KDE let me run Kontact and dolphin without crashing, Gnome wouldn't > even do that! > > And they say linux is the better choice? They are full of it! 2 days just to > scan a picture???? > > Excuse my language but I'm so P'd off it's PATHETIC! LOL Well, I just plugged in my Canon USB LiDE scanner, never used it on Linux before. I fired up XSane and one minute later I had a full scan of an A4 sheet saved to disc and opened in GiMP. If this was Windows I'd still be installing drivers ;) I know this isn't much help, but I'd suggest you need to either try XSane or get a better scanner... :) Mark > > From tuxebi at gmx.de Fri Oct 2 19:43:35 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:43:35 +0200 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: David McGlone wrote: > Hi All, > > Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't working > and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. > > I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one just fine. > Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up that I needed to scan > some images and scanning is broke. > > I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my TV card is > my scanner and there is no option to change this. > > So I installed scan lite and get the same results. > > last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I could use > there with no luck whatsoever. > > I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the libkscan > library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. > > All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so frustrated > it's hard to stay calm. > > Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any > suggestions? > what keeps you from using the hplip drivers, that work perfectly with any supported device. Your 5610 is fully supported. See here: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 20:10:29 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:10:29 -0600 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <4AC5F2B9.6040400@gmail.com> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AC65E35.5070500@gmail.com> Donn said the following at 10/02/2009 01:25 PM : > Sounds like something is going badly wrong with your machine. I would suspect > hardware. or a full /tmp or (less likely, given these symptoms) full home partition. But I agree with you: it ain't the applications. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Oct 2 20:21:11 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:21:11 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <4AC5F2B9.6040400@gmail.com> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910021621.12181.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Friday 02 October 2009, David McGlone wrote: > And they say linux is the better choice? They are full of it! 2 days just > to scan a picture???? Life is full of happenings..... If you really want an excellent product (albeit it is not free) take a look at VueScan at: www.hamrick.com These guys really know how to build a good product. I don't have a stake in the company, but I bought the product once I tried it. From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 3 01:31:26 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:31:26 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910022131.26443.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 02 October 2009 03:43:35 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote: > David McGlone wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't > > working and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. > > > > I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one just > > fine. Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up that I > > needed to scan some images and scanning is broke. > > > > I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my TV > > card is my scanner and there is no option to change this. > > > > So I installed scan lite and get the same results. > > > > last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I could > > use there with no luck whatsoever. > > > > I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the > > libkscan library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. > > > > All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so > > frustrated it's hard to stay calm. > > > > Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any > > suggestions? > > what keeps you from using the hplip drivers, that work > perfectly with any supported device. Your 5610 is fully > supported. See here: > > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html Yeah and I also stumbled upon the fact I had my 5610 plugged into my routers printer port. So all along I should have been setting up a network printer, not a local printer! I'll take full responsibility for this one. LOL -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 3 01:36:37 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:36:37 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910022032.08655.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022032.08655.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200910022136.37924.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 02 October 2009 03:32:08 pm Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Friday 02 Oct 2009 20:11:11 David McGlone wrote: > > On Friday 02 October 2009 08:31:53 am O. Sinclair wrote: > > > David McGlone wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Yesterday I had to scan some images and low and behold scanning isn't > > > > working and I don't have the slightest idea what to do. > > > > > > > > I used to use Kooka and it detected my HP Officejet 5610 all in one > > > > just fine. Well yesterday was the first time the occasion came up > > > > that I needed to scan some images and scanning is broke. > > > > > > > > I tried using Sane, but it will not detect my scanner and insist my > > > > TV card is my scanner and there is no option to change this. > > > > > > > > So I installed scan lite and get the same results. > > > > > > > > last night I installed all of gnome hoping there would be an app I > > > > could use there with no luck whatsoever. > > > > > > > > I also installed the kdegraphics package hoping Sane would use the > > > > libkscan library that Kooka used and that was a dead end too. > > > > > > > > All in all I've wasted a whole day for a simple task, and I'm so > > > > frustrated it's hard to stay calm. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I've exhausted everything I know to do. Does anyone have any > > > > suggestions? > > > > > > try installing Skanlite - I just tested it in Karmic Beta and it hooked > > > up with my Canon scanner just fine. I also used Kooka (still use, > > > production computer still on KDE3) and in some ways Skanlite is > > > actually better. > > > > > > Now if they could just add save to pdf from Skanlite so I dont have to > > > install gscan2pdf > > > > Well I finally got at least my scanner recognized, and it opened a whole > > new can of worms!! > > > > Now SANE recognizes my scanner and I scan an image, but try to save it > > and SANE crashes. No error no nothing! > > > > So I try scanlite. It works, but it takes it a good 4 minutes to scan a > > wallet size picture. Pathetic! After scanning with scanlite, I needed to > > edit the image, so I fire up gimp click open and gimp crashes every time. > > No error nothing! Pathetic! > > > > So I switch over to gnome, still same results with gimp, but this time > > all my icons on my desktop magically disappear and nothing works! Ha > > Pathetic! > > > > I reboot 2 times each time trying KDE and Gnome, still same results. > > PATHETIC! > > > > At least KDE let me run Kontact and dolphin without crashing, Gnome > > wouldn't even do that! > > > > And they say linux is the better choice? They are full of it! 2 days just > > to scan a picture???? > > > > Excuse my language but I'm so P'd off it's PATHETIC! LOL > > Well, I just plugged in my Canon USB LiDE scanner, never used it on Linux > before. I fired up XSane and one minute later I had a full scan of an A4 > sheet saved to disc and opened in GiMP. If this was Windows I'd still be > installing drivers ;) > > I know this isn't much help, but I'd suggest you need to either try XSane > or get a better scanner... :) LOL I don't need a better scanner. I need a better brain!!! My printer was plugged into my router and for the last 2 years I haven't had any changes to my system other than upgrades and I totally forgot that I needed to set my hardware up as a network device and not a local device. -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 3 01:39:05 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:39:05 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 02 October 2009 03:25:55 pm Donn wrote: > On Friday 02 October 2009 21:11:11 David McGlone wrote: > > Now SANE recognizes my scanner and I scan an image, but try to save it > > and SANE crashes. No error no nothing! > > Run it from a konsole. > > > edit the image, so I fire up gimp click open and gimp crashes every > > time. No error nothing! Pathetic! > > Run it from a konsole. > > > I reboot 2 times each time trying KDE and Gnome, still same results. > > PATHETIC! > > Sounds like something is going badly wrong with your machine. I would > suspect hardware. I use gimp often and have for years, it's not an app > that crashes. Something is badly wrong with my brains man! LOL I had the friggin printer plugged into my router! I wonder if Linux offers open source brains. -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 3 01:40:11 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:40:11 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910021621.12181.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021621.12181.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200910022140.11807.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 02 October 2009 04:21:11 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday 02 October 2009, David McGlone wrote: > > And they say linux is the better choice? They are full of it! 2 days just > > to scan a picture???? > > Life is full of happenings..... If you really want an excellent product > (albeit it is not free) take a look at VueScan at: > > www.hamrick.com > > These guys really know how to build a good product. I don't have a stake > in the company, but I bought the product once I tried it. > Do they sell brains? LOL -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 3 02:01:43 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:01:43 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910022201.43812.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 02 October 2009, David McGlone wrote: >On Friday 02 October 2009 03:25:55 pm Donn wrote: >> On Friday 02 October 2009 21:11:11 David McGlone wrote: >> > Now SANE recognizes my scanner and I scan an image, but try to save it >> > and SANE crashes. No error no nothing! >> >> Run it from a konsole. >> >> > edit the image, so I fire up gimp click open and gimp crashes every >> > time. No error nothing! Pathetic! >> >> Run it from a konsole. >> >> > I reboot 2 times each time trying KDE and Gnome, still same results. >> > PATHETIC! >> >> Sounds like something is going badly wrong with your machine. I would >> suspect hardware. I use gimp often and have for years, it's not an app >> that crashes. > >Something is badly wrong with my brains man! LOL I had the friggin printer >plugged into my router! > >I wonder if Linux offers open source brains. > I've heard rumors it is being worked on. :-) But if the printer has an ethernet (cat5) jack on it, one would normally assume it has an address someplace in the 192.168.x.x subnet, and that it probably is programmable, in which case cups can just export it to that IP. Any open port on the router should be good for that. OTOH, maybe I don't understand the nuances of how a printer equipt with a cat5 connector works, and I can be safely ignored. I do not have such a printer myself, mainly because my now very elderly Epson C82 seems determined to use the last tank on ink for it on the planet before it dies. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 3 02:53:00 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:53:00 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910021621.12181.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021621.12181.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200910022253.00634.david@dmcentral.net> On Friday 02 October 2009 4:21:11 pm Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday 02 October 2009, David McGlone wrote: > > And they say linux is the better choice? They are full of it! 2 days just > > to scan a picture???? > > Life is full of happenings..... If you really want an excellent product > (albeit it is not free) take a look at VueScan at: > > www.hamrick.com > > These guys really know how to build a good product. I don't have a stake > in the company, but I bought the product once I tried it. Thanks Bruce, I'm going to check this out. Here's the image I had to scan. Took me 2 days to do it. PATHETIC ;-) but it still looks good. http://www.dmcentral.net/pf/ -- Blessings David M. From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 04:04:02 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:04:02 +0200 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910030604.03010.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday 03 October 2009 03:39:05 David McGlone wrote: > I wonder if Linux offers open source brains. David, just for you: http://www.xckd.com/644/ :D \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 06:34:51 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:34:51 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention Message-ID: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Hello, I want to prevent openoffice from upgrading. Frankly, I rarely use it and it want to chew 92mb of my bandwidth. I am dimly aware that there is a subject called 'pinning' -- is that a way I can tell aptitude to ignore this update? Here's the stuff it want to upgrade: The following packages will be upgraded: libsmbclient libwbclient0 openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-emailmerge openoffice.org-gnome openoffice.org- gtk openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-java-common openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-math openoffice.org- style-crystal openoffice.org-style-human openoffice.org-writer python-uno samba-common smbclient ttf-opensymbol uno- libs3 ure winbind 24 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 91.9MB of archives. After unpacking 20.5kB will be used. So, how can I put all that aside and let other updates continue normally? Just to clarify, I want to wipe and reinstall Karmik when it comes out (32 bit this time, 64 has been hell) so I don't really care about openoffice right now. \d From velroij at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 07:41:48 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:41:48 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> With Kpackage I can select which packages to upgrade and which not. 2009/10/3 Donn > Hello, > I want to prevent openoffice from upgrading. Frankly, I rarely use it and > it > want to chew 92mb of my bandwidth. I am dimly aware that there is a subject > called 'pinning' -- is that a way I can tell aptitude to ignore this > update? > > Here's the stuff it want to upgrade: > The following packages will be upgraded: > libsmbclient libwbclient0 openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc > openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core > openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-emailmerge openoffice.org-gnome > openoffice.org- > gtk openoffice.org-impress > openoffice.org-java-common openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-math > openoffice.org- > style-crystal openoffice.org-style-human > openoffice.org-writer python-uno samba-common smbclient ttf-opensymbol > uno- > libs3 ure winbind > 24 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 91.9MB of archives. After unpacking 20.5kB will be used. > > So, how can I put all that aside and let other updates continue normally? > > Just to clarify, I want to wipe and reinstall Karmik when it comes out (32 > bit > this time, 64 has been hell) so I don't really care about openoffice right > now. > > \d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are Green + signs but no option for 'do not upgrade this'. \d From velroij at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 10:09:20 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:09:20 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910030309y3af491b9k9f7bbc5e01bf411d@mail.gmail.com> no you are going trough update list and only mark those things you wanna update 2009/10/3 Donn > On Saturday 03 October 2009 09:41:48 Wesley Velroij wrote: > > With Kpackage I can select which packages to upgrade and which not. > > > Maybe this is a new thing. I am still on Jaunty and I can't see any way to > specify this. There are Green + signs but no option for 'do not upgrade > this'. > > \d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 10:45:24 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:45:24 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910030309y3af491b9k9f7bbc5e01bf411d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030309y3af491b9k9f7bbc5e01bf411d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910031245.24847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday 03 October 2009 12:09:20 Wesley Velroij wrote: > no you are going trough update list and only mark those things you wanna > update > So, I just leave them all 'grey' or unselected, say update and it will ignore them? I will give it a go later and see what happens. Thx. Any aptitude command-line ideas out there? \d From velroij at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 10:46:56 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:46:56 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <200910031245.24847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030309y3af491b9k9f7bbc5e01bf411d@mail.gmail.com> <200910031245.24847.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910030346g5aec2894v94ec25ab45d250cf@mail.gmail.com> yes leave them grey, and only check those updates you want, that works for me but is some work. 2009/10/3 Donn > On Saturday 03 October 2009 12:09:20 Wesley Velroij wrote: > > no you are going trough update list and only mark those things you wanna > > update > > > So, I just leave them all 'grey' or unselected, say update and it will > ignore > them? I will give it a go later and see what happens. Thx. > > Any aptitude command-line ideas out there? > > \d > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hamra) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:32:21 +0300 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AC74455.9040109@gmail.com> Donn wrote: > Hello, > I want to prevent openoffice from upgrading. Frankly, I rarely use it and it > want to chew 92mb of my bandwidth. I am dimly aware that there is a subject > called 'pinning' -- is that a way I can tell aptitude to ignore this update? > > Here's the stuff it want to upgrade: > The following packages will be upgraded: > libsmbclient libwbclient0 openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc > openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core > openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-emailmerge openoffice.org-gnome openoffice.org- > gtk openoffice.org-impress > openoffice.org-java-common openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-math openoffice.org- > style-crystal openoffice.org-style-human > openoffice.org-writer python-uno samba-common smbclient ttf-opensymbol uno- > libs3 ure winbind > 24 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 91.9MB of archives. After unpacking 20.5kB will be used. > > So, how can I put all that aside and let other updates continue normally? > > Just to clarify, I want to wipe and reinstall Karmik when it comes out (32 bit > this time, 64 has been hell) so I don't really care about openoffice right now. > > \d > Donn, it can be done, and not very hard. all you need to know about pinning is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am dimly aware that there is a > subject > > called 'pinning' -- is that a way I can tell aptitude to ignore this > update? > > > > Here's the stuff it want to upgrade: > > The following packages will be upgraded: > > libsmbclient libwbclient0 openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc > > openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core > > openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-emailmerge openoffice.org-gnome > openoffice.org- > > gtk openoffice.org-impress > > openoffice.org-java-common openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-math > openoffice.org- > > style-crystal openoffice.org-style-human > > openoffice.org-writer python-uno samba-common smbclient ttf-opensymbol > uno- > > libs3 ure winbind > > 24 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > Need to get 91.9MB of archives. 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URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 12:43:27 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:43:27 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <4AC74455.9040109@gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <4AC74455.9040109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910031443.27646.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Thanks Willy, I will go to school :) \d From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 16:36:05 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:36:05 -0400 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254587765.9009.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 09:59 +0200, Donn wrote: > On Saturday 03 October 2009 09:41:48 Wesley Velroij wrote: > > With Kpackage I can select which packages to upgrade and which not. > > > Maybe this is a new thing. I am still on Jaunty and I can't see any way to > specify this. There are Green + signs but no option for 'do not upgrade this'. I'm using karmic, but with synaptic, click on your package to lock, then click on package in the tool bar, then click on "lock version". That should do it. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 16:36:39 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:36:39 -0400 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910030309y3af491b9k9f7bbc5e01bf411d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030309y3af491b9k9f7bbc5e01bf411d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254587799.9009.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 12:09 +0200, Wesley Velroij wrote: > no you are going trough update list and only mark those things you > wanna update Please don't top-post. :) Ric From magick.crow at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 16:50:31 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:50:31 +0200 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: > Something is badly wrong with my brains man! LOL I had the friggin printer > plugged into my router! > > I wonder if Linux offers open source brains. > > -- > Blessings, > David M. > http://www.dmcentral.net You had better make a sacrifice to the Linux gods now after that last email to atone for your sins. LOL I have never had gimp crash, ever. I would start looking for hardware problems. On the other hand I have been having everything crash this week or two. I am starting to think that that last kernel update was a real dud but I get no errors just a locked up computer. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 17:36:30 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:36:30 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910021511.11833.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022125.55241.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <1254591390.5082.5.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 18:50 +0200, Knapp wrote: > > Something is badly wrong with my brains man! LOL I had the friggin printer > > plugged into my router! > > > > I wonder if Linux offers open source brains. > > > > -- > > Blessings, > > David M. > > http://www.dmcentral.net > > You had better make a sacrifice to the Linux gods now after that last > email to atone for your sins. LOL > > I have never had gimp crash, ever. I would start looking for hardware > problems. On the other hand I have been having everything crash this > week or two. I am starting to think that that last kernel update was a > real dud but I get no errors just a locked up computer. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp Just updated several hundred packages to Karmic last night. Today as I move the mouse across an empty desktop, popup menus keep appearing and ain't nuttin clickable until you get the popup to close. Making me crazy very early in the afternoon. What package would be the culprit to report to launchpad?? I've filed another bug report on kubuntu-boot-splash-images ...ain't fixed yet. X{ Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 17:39:32 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:39:32 -0400 Subject: Mouse is opening desktop menus without a mouse click Message-ID: <1254591572.5082.8.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Thought I better start a new thread. Today, after last night's updates, just moving my mouse across an empty desktop will open scores of pop-up menus. I moved the mouse across the icon bar and opened evolution without clicking on it. What package would I report this to the bug tracker on?? This is a nasty one. X{ Ric From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Oct 3 17:20:44 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:20:44 -0300 Subject: Aptitude prevention References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1254587765.9009.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 09:59 +0200, Donn wrote: >> On Saturday 03 October 2009 09:41:48 Wesley Velroij wrote: >> > With Kpackage I can select which packages to upgrade and which not. >> > >> Maybe this is a new thing. I am still on Jaunty and I can't see any way >> to specify this. There are Green + signs but no option for 'do not >> upgrade this'. > > I'm using karmic, but with synaptic, click on your package to lock, then > click on package in the tool bar, then click on "lock version". That > should do it. Ric Wesley said "with kpackage" and Donn said he didn't see a way. So then telling how you do it with a package manager that is neither KPackage, nor aptitude, nor even KDE, hardly seems apropos. To answer the original question: # sudo aptitude hold openoffice.org-core should do the job -- derek From velroij at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 18:12:22 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:12:22 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1254587765.9009.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910031112k61d45546y80fdc1801e2d5964@mail.gmail.com> I think its not named kpackage but kpackagekit orso, anyway the default package manager in karmic kubuntu 2009/10/3 Derek Broughton > Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 09:59 +0200, Donn wrote: > >> On Saturday 03 October 2009 09:41:48 Wesley Velroij wrote: > >> > With Kpackage I can select which packages to upgrade and which not. > >> > > >> Maybe this is a new thing. I am still on Jaunty and I can't see any way > >> to specify this. There are Green + signs but no option for 'do not > >> upgrade this'. > > > > I'm using karmic, but with synaptic, click on your package to lock, then > > click on package in the tool bar, then click on "lock version". That > > should do it. Ric > > Wesley said "with kpackage" and Donn said he didn't see a way. So then > telling how you do it with a package manager that is neither KPackage, nor > aptitude, nor even KDE, hardly seems apropos. > > To answer the original question: > > # sudo aptitude hold openoffice.org-core > > should do the job > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 18:19:20 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:19:20 +0200 Subject: Mouse is opening desktop menus without a mouse click In-Reply-To: <1254591572.5082.8.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254591572.5082.8.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910032019.20477.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday 03 October 2009 19:39:32 Ric Moore wrote: > just moving my mouse across an empty desktop will open scores of pop-up It *may* be your mouse button has given up the ghost. I often end-up wedging folded-up paper into my mice to keep the button... buttoney :) Then again, it could be something else entirely. \d From donn.ingle at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 18:26:28 2009 From: donn.ingle at gmail.com (Donn) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:26:28 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1254587765.9009.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910032026.28125.donn.ingle@gmail.com> On Saturday 03 October 2009 19:20:44 Derek Broughton wrote: > To answer the original question: > # sudo aptitude hold openoffice.org-core Ah! Thanks. You are the knees of the Bees. I had no time to read that wiki (yet). So, after your tip, I manned-up and found: aptitude hold ~nopenoffice.org Which seems to have worked. \d From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 18:45:07 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:45:07 +0300 Subject: Mouse is opening desktop menus without a mouse click In-Reply-To: <200910032019.20477.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <1254591572.5082.8.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910032019.20477.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AC79BB3.9060501@gmail.com> Donn wrote: > On Saturday 03 October 2009 19:39:32 Ric Moore wrote: >> just moving my mouse across an empty desktop will open scores of pop-up > It *may* be your mouse button has given up the ghost. I often end-up wedging > folded-up paper into my mice to keep the button... buttoney :) > Then again, it could be something else entirely. > > \d > yeah, happens a lot here. mouse frantically clicking left-click constantly, until i click it, the crazu clicking then stops. sometimes, specially with optical mouses, it goes haywire, just runs crazily around the screen. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. 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I moved the mouse across the icon bar and opened evolution > without clicking on it. What package would I report this to the bug > tracker on?? This is a nasty one. X{ Ric When that happened here, it was a bad mouse. The micro switch happened to break is all and it was coincidence that I happened to have just been updating k-mail at the time rather than k-mail's fault! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 19:30:17 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:30:17 -0400 Subject: Mouse is opening desktop menus without a mouse click In-Reply-To: <200910031217.15588.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <1254591572.5082.8.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910031217.15588.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <1254598217.5082.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 12:17 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > On Saturday 03 October 2009 10:39:32 am Ric Moore wrote: > > Thought I better start a new thread. Today, after last night's updates, > > just moving my mouse across an empty desktop will open scores of pop-up > > menus. I moved the mouse across the icon bar and opened evolution > > without clicking on it. What package would I report this to the bug > > tracker on?? This is a nasty one. X{ Ric > > When that happened here, it was a bad mouse. The micro switch happened to > break is all and it was coincidence that I happened to have just been > updating k-mail at the time rather than k-mail's fault! Thanks to all. Now I shall shoot said optical mouse quickly and painlessly. It's been a good little mouse. I'll miss it. Ric > From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 3 20:33:23 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:33:23 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910031633.23193.david@dmcentral.net> On Saturday 03 October 2009 12:50:31 pm Knapp wrote: > > Something is badly wrong with my brains man! LOL I had the friggin > > printer plugged into my router! > > > > I wonder if Linux offers open source brains. > > > > -- > > Blessings, > > David M. > > http://www.dmcentral.net > > You had better make a sacrifice to the Linux gods now after that last > email to atone for your sins. LOL I already have. I sacrificed my dignity man! :o > > I have never had gimp crash, ever. I would start looking for hardware > problems. On the other hand I have been having everything crash this > week or two. I am starting to think that that last kernel update was a > real dud but I get no errors just a locked up computer. > I figured out why gimp was crashing. Try this: scan a pic at a really high res. 600 or so and try and open it with gimp using the file dialog. take my word, It's ugly! :-/ If that don't work go higher on the res. -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 3 20:37:19 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:37:19 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <1254591390.5082.5.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <1254591390.5082.5.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910031637.19483.david@dmcentral.net> On Saturday 03 October 2009 01:36:30 pm Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 18:50 +0200, Knapp wrote: > > > Something is badly wrong with my brains man! LOL I had the friggin > > > printer plugged into my router! > > > > > > I wonder if Linux offers open source brains. > > > > > > -- > > > Blessings, > > > David M. > > > http://www.dmcentral.net > > > > You had better make a sacrifice to the Linux gods now after that last > > email to atone for your sins. LOL > > > > I have never had gimp crash, ever. I would start looking for hardware > > problems. On the other hand I have been having everything crash this > > week or two. I am starting to think that that last kernel update was a > > real dud but I get no errors just a locked up computer. > > Just updated several hundred packages to Karmic last night. Today as I > move the mouse across an empty desktop, popup menus keep appearing and > ain't nuttin clickable until you get the popup to close. Making me crazy > very early in the afternoon. I hope Linux provides open source eyeballs, because you seem to be seeing things.... ;-) -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 3 20:42:25 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:42:25 -0400 Subject: Mouse is opening desktop menus without a mouse click In-Reply-To: <1254598217.5082.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254591572.5082.8.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910031217.15588.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <1254598217.5082.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910031642.25587.david@dmcentral.net> On Saturday 03 October 2009 03:30:17 pm Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 12:17 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > > On Saturday 03 October 2009 10:39:32 am Ric Moore wrote: > > > Thought I better start a new thread. Today, after last night's updates, > > > just moving my mouse across an empty desktop will open scores of pop-up > > > menus. I moved the mouse across the icon bar and opened evolution > > > without clicking on it. What package would I report this to the bug > > > tracker on?? This is a nasty one. X{ Ric > > > > When that happened here, it was a bad mouse. The micro switch happened > > to break is all and it was coincidence that I happened to have just been > > updating k-mail at the time rather than k-mail's fault! > > Thanks to all. Now I shall shoot said optical mouse quickly and > painlessly. It's been a good little mouse. I'll miss it. Ric > Ya know thats computer cruelty. ;-) Your Keyboard is now going to be depressed because his poor close friend is about to disappear. Better stock up on the "koloft" LOL -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 22:04:14 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:04:14 +0200 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: <200910031633.23193.david@dmcentral.net> References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910022139.05128.david@dmcentral.net> <200910031633.23193.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:33 PM, David McGlone wrote: >> I have never had gimp crash, ever. I would start looking for hardware >> problems. On the other hand I have been having everything crash this >> week or two. I am starting to think that that last kernel update was a >> real dud but I get no errors just a locked up computer. >> > > I figured out why gimp was crashing. Try this: scan a pic at a really high res. > 600 or so and try and open it with gimp using the file dialog. take my word, > It's ugly! :-/ If that don't work go higher on the res. > This got my attention. I have only had a few crashes with Gimp and non that I can relate to the resolution of the pictures. I have scanned "films" in 1200 DPI and more and they open fine in Gimp (though it cant handle 16 bit). Exactly what happens when you open a picture? / Jonas From mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 22:28:06 2009 From: mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com (Martin Laberge) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:28:06 -0400 Subject: Mouse is opening desktop menus without a mouse click In-Reply-To: <1254598217.5082.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254591572.5082.8.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910031217.15588.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <1254598217.5082.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910031828.06540.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> On Saturday 03 October 2009 15:30:17 Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 12:17 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > > On Saturday 03 October 2009 10:39:32 am Ric Moore wrote: > > > Thought I better start a new thread. Today, after last night's updates, > > > just moving my mouse across an empty desktop will open scores of pop-up > > > menus. I moved the mouse across the icon bar and opened evolution > > > without clicking on it. What package would I report this to the bug > > > tracker on?? This is a nasty one. X{ Ric > > > > When that happened here, it was a bad mouse. The micro switch happened to > > break is all and it was coincidence that I happened to have just been > > updating k-mail at the time rather than k-mail's fault! > > Thanks to all. Now I shall shoot said optical mouse quickly and > painlessly. It's been a good little mouse. I'll miss it. Ric > > > > > > > Maybe change the battery... before trashing. -- Martin Laberge mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com mlsoftlaberge at hotmail.com Cell:(418)575-2945 *** 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... *** From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 22:43:51 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:43:51 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? Message-ID: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> I have two boot partitions on my laptop: one for my daily driver (essential for work and studies) and another for testing new distros and triaging bugs. Now that Karmic is using Grub2, will installing it on my non-essential boot partition give me any troubles booting into my daily driver partition? Thanks in advance. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 3 22:53:41 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:53:41 -0400 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 03 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have two boot partitions on my laptop: one for my daily driver > (essential for work and studies) and another for testing new distros > and triaging bugs. Now that Karmic is using Grub2, will installing it > on my non-essential boot partition give me any troubles booting into > my daily driver partition? Grub 2 should find all of your systems (including windows and you should be just fine. From velroij at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 22:58:47 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:58:47 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910031558x46fe59c4x8fc53ed5d3ba8e8d@mail.gmail.com> Grub 2 didnt find Windows 7 last time, but Karmic is on some points even stabler the jaunty 2009/10/4 Bruce Marshall > On Saturday 03 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I have two boot partitions on my laptop: one for my daily driver > > (essential for work and studies) and another for testing new distros > > and triaging bugs. Now that Karmic is using Grub2, will installing it > > on my non-essential boot partition give me any troubles booting into > > my daily driver partition? > > Grub 2 should find all of your systems (including windows and you > should be just fine. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 23:26:54 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:26:54 -0400 Subject: Mouse is opening desktop menus without a mouse click In-Reply-To: <200910031828.06540.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> References: <1254591572.5082.8.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910031217.15588.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> <1254598217.5082.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910031828.06540.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254612414.5082.28.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 18:28 -0400, Martin Laberge wrote: > On Saturday 03 October 2009 15:30:17 Ric Moore wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 12:17 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > > > On Saturday 03 October 2009 10:39:32 am Ric Moore wrote: > > > > Thought I better start a new thread. Today, after last night's updates, > > > > just moving my mouse across an empty desktop will open scores of pop-up > > > > menus. I moved the mouse across the icon bar and opened evolution > > > > without clicking on it. What package would I report this to the bug > > > > tracker on?? This is a nasty one. X{ Ric > > > > > > When that happened here, it was a bad mouse. The micro switch happened to > > > break is all and it was coincidence that I happened to have just been > > > updating k-mail at the time rather than k-mail's fault! > > > > Thanks to all. Now I shall shoot said optical mouse quickly and > > painlessly. It's been a good little mouse. I'll miss it. Ric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe change the battery... before trashing. Ah! It's USB. I rebooted again and the problem went away. So, my little buddy has been granted a reprieve and the Universe is running in greased grooves. PLUS! I found little cigars for $1.19 a pack. That, my computer, my pickup truck and a log chain ...it just doesn't get any better. By optical I meant it has a laser instead of a ball. What's weird is that after last night's upgrade, I found I had a second panel at the top of my screen. It was transparent and the only way I noticed it was that the top of a terminal window would not go to the very top of my screen. There was about 3/8" of a gap. I clicked on that gap and got a panel menu. I got rid of that. Everything is good now. Ric From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Oct 3 22:06:00 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:06 -0300 Subject: Aptitude prevention References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1254587765.9009.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <9cc2d16c0910031112k61d45546y80fdc1801e2d5964@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8fukp6-fjc.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Wesley Velroij wrote: > I think its not named kpackage but kpackagekit orso, anyway the default > package manager in karmic kubuntu You're right that kpackagekit (or some variant of that name) is the default package manager in karmic. However, KPackage is another, older, and still existing package manager (kpackage-kde4 is the package) - which might perhaps give the option to "Hold" packages, because kpackagekit sure doesn't seem to. -- derek From velroij at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 23:54:45 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 01:54:45 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <8fukp6-fjc.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1254587765.9009.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <9cc2d16c0910031112k61d45546y80fdc1801e2d5964@mail.gmail.com> <8fukp6-fjc.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910031654p1f0a0ed6te2c37ad29c02e166@mail.gmail.com> I wasnt talking about hold option 2009/10/4 Derek Broughton > Wesley Velroij wrote: > > > I think its not named kpackage but kpackagekit orso, anyway the default > > package manager in karmic kubuntu > > You're right that kpackagekit (or some variant of that name) is the default > package manager in karmic. However, KPackage is another, older, and still > existing package manager (kpackage-kde4 is the package) - which might > perhaps give the option to "Hold" packages, because kpackagekit sure > doesn't > seem to. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at lemmons.name Sun Oct 4 00:45:26 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:45:26 -0700 Subject: Karmic: mozilla-acroread Message-ID: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> Has anybody had any luck installing the acrobat reader plugin for firefox in karmic? When I try to: sudo apt-get install mozilla-acroread it tells me that no such package is found. Is it in a repository that is not part of the normal list? (I have partner, non-free, restricted and medibuntu repositories enabled). Google was not much help... I am hoping you all can do a better job :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Sun Oct 4 00:38:19 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:38:19 -0300 Subject: Aptitude prevention References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1254587765.9009.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <9cc2d16c0910031112k61d45546y80fdc1801e2d5964@mail.gmail.com> <8fukp6-fjc.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <9cc2d16c0910031654p1f0a0ed6te2c37ad29c02e166@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wesley Velroij wrote: Please learn to play nice with others: 1) don't top-post 2) quote appropriately > I wasnt talking about hold option Yes, actually, you were. What you suggested he do with synaptic (not a KDE package) results in a "dpkg" hold. But in any case, nothing you quoted below would give another reader a clue what you're talking about. The previous poster suggested using KPackage to "hold" a package. Donn said he couldn't find that option. _IF_, as you suggested, he really meant kpackagekit, I agree with Donn - there is no such option. If he really did mean kpackage, there should be (at least there was last time I looked). > > 2009/10/4 Derek Broughton > >> Wesley Velroij wrote: >> >> > I think its not named kpackage but kpackagekit orso, anyway the default >> > package manager in karmic kubuntu >> >> You're right that kpackagekit (or some variant of that name) is the >> default >> package manager in karmic. However, KPackage is another, older, and >> still existing package manager (kpackage-kde4 is the package) - which >> might perhaps give the option to "Hold" packages, because kpackagekit >> sure doesn't >> seem to. -- derek From david at dmcentral.net Sun Oct 4 02:11:25 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:11:25 -0400 Subject: scanning In-Reply-To: References: <200910020732.19526.david@dmcentral.net> <200910031633.23193.david@dmcentral.net> Message-ID: <200910032211.25440.david@dmcentral.net> On Saturday 03 October 2009 6:04:14 pm Jonas Norlander wrote: > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:33 PM, David McGlone wrote: > >> I have never had gimp crash, ever. I would start looking for hardware > >> problems. On the other hand I have been having everything crash this > >> week or two. I am starting to think that that last kernel update was a > >> real dud but I get no errors just a locked up computer. > > > > I figured out why gimp was crashing. Try this: scan a pic at a really > > high res. 600 or so and try and open it with gimp using the file dialog. > > take my word, It's ugly! :-/ If that don't work go higher on the res. > > This got my attention. I have only had a few crashes with Gimp and non > that I can relate to the resolution of the pictures. I have scanned > "films" in 1200 DPI and more and they open fine in Gimp (though it > cant handle 16 bit). Exactly what happens when you open a picture? Gimp would open at first, but when I would select file->open->click on file, Gimp would automatically disappear with no warning. Then when trying to open gimp it would just crash right after it opened. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but I did notice it only crashed on really big pictures that I had scanned. -- Blessings David M. From errol at tzora.co.il Sun Oct 4 05:17:50 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:17:50 +0200 Subject: Grub2 & windows Message-ID: <4AC82FFE.3020807@tzora.co.il> I installed Karmic using ext4 and am very satisfied with the results considering it is still alpha. I have one problem (at the moment :-) ). When booting my grub (which I presume is grub2) didn't recognize my vista dual boot. I went into /boot/grub/grub.cfg but it seems very different from grub legacy. How do I enable windows to appear and boot on grub2? Below is my grub.cfg: # # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE # # It is automatically generated by /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig using templates # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub # ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/00_header ### set default=0 insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,2) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 if loadfont /usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2 ; then set gfxmode=640x480 insmod gfxterm insmod vbe if terminal_output gfxterm ; then true ; else # For backward compatibility with versions of terminal.mod that don't # understand terminal_output terminal gfxterm fi fi set timeout=10 ### END /etc/grub.d/00_header ### ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ### set menu_color_normal=white/black set menu_color_highlight=black/white ### END /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ### ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ### menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic" { insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,2) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-9-generic root=UUID=69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-9-generic } menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic (recovery mode)" { insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,2) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-9-generic root=UUID=69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-9-generic } ### END /etc/grub.d/10_linux ### ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ### menuentry "Memory test (memtest86+)" { linux /boot/memtest86+.bin } menuentry "Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200)" { linux /boot/memtest86+.bin console=ttyS0,115200n8 } ### END /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ### ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### ### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/40_custom ### # This file is an example on how to add custom entries ### END /etc/grub.d/40_custom ### # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian # ones. title Other operating systems: root TIA Errol From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Oct 4 06:00:46 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:00:46 +0800 Subject: Grub2 & windows In-Reply-To: <4AC82FFE.3020807@tzora.co.il> References: <4AC82FFE.3020807@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: Errol Sapir wrote: > I installed Karmic using ext4 and am very satisfied with the results > considering it is still alpha. I have one problem (at the moment :-) ). > When booting my grub (which I presume is grub2) didn't recognize my > vista dual boot. I went into /boot/grub/grub.cfg but it seems very > different from grub legacy. How do I enable windows to appear and boot > on grub2? > Below is my grub.cfg: > > # > # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE > # > # It is automatically generated by /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig using templates > # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub > # > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/00_header ### > set default=0 > insmod ext2 > set root=(hd0,2) > search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 > if loadfont /usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2 ; then > set gfxmode=640x480 > insmod gfxterm > insmod vbe > if terminal_output gfxterm ; then true ; else > # For backward compatibility with versions of terminal.mod that don't > # understand terminal_output > terminal gfxterm > fi > fi > set timeout=10 > ### END /etc/grub.d/00_header ### > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ### > set menu_color_normal=white/black > set menu_color_highlight=black/white > ### END /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ### > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ### > menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic" { > insmod ext2 > set root=(hd0,2) > search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 > linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-9-generic > root=UUID=69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-9-generic > } > menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic (recovery mode)" { > insmod ext2 > set root=(hd0,2) > search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 > linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-9-generic > root=UUID=69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 ro single > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-9-generic > } > ### END /etc/grub.d/10_linux ### > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ### > menuentry "Memory test (memtest86+)" { > linux /boot/memtest86+.bin > } > menuentry "Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200)" { > linux /boot/memtest86+.bin console=ttyS0,115200n8 > } > ### END /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ### > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### > ### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/40_custom ### > # This file is an example on how to add custom entries > ### END /etc/grub.d/40_custom ### > > # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian > # ones. > title Other operating systems: > root > > TIA > Errol > Errol, try this at terminal, sudo grub-mkconfig If output at terminal is okay, then sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg to write to grub.cfg file. If you have an older grub2 (not grub-legacy) version, (I doubt it), then do this... sudo update-grub If all fails, then maybe at install, it wasnt set properly, then do sudo grub-install Regards, Goh Lip From errol at tzora.co.il Sun Oct 4 06:26:35 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:26:35 +0200 Subject: Grub2 & windows In-Reply-To: References: <4AC82FFE.3020807@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <4AC8401B.4020102@tzora.co.il> Goh Lip wrote: > Errol Sapir wrote: > >> I installed Karmic using ext4 and am very satisfied with the results >> considering it is still alpha. I have one problem (at the moment :-) ). >> When booting my grub (which I presume is grub2) didn't recognize my >> vista dual boot. I went into /boot/grub/grub.cfg but it seems very >> different from grub legacy. How do I enable windows to appear and boot >> on grub2? >> Below is my grub.cfg: >> >> # >> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE >> # >> # It is automatically generated by /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig using templates >> # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub >> # >> >> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/00_header ### >> set default=0 >> insmod ext2 >> set root=(hd0,2) >> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 >> if loadfont /usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2 ; then >> set gfxmode=640x480 >> insmod gfxterm >> insmod vbe >> if terminal_output gfxterm ; then true ; else >> # For backward compatibility with versions of terminal.mod that don't >> # understand terminal_output >> terminal gfxterm >> fi >> fi >> set timeout=10 >> ### END /etc/grub.d/00_header ### >> >> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ### >> set menu_color_normal=white/black >> set menu_color_highlight=black/white >> ### END /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ### >> >> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ### >> menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic" { >> insmod ext2 >> set root=(hd0,2) >> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 >> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-9-generic >> root=UUID=69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 ro quiet splash >> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-9-generic >> } >> menuentry "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic (recovery mode)" { >> insmod ext2 >> set root=(hd0,2) >> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 >> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-9-generic >> root=UUID=69b0a646-2c18-49c4-ba9c-a36b703bde83 ro single >> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-9-generic >> } >> ### END /etc/grub.d/10_linux ### >> >> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ### >> menuentry "Memory test (memtest86+)" { >> linux /boot/memtest86+.bin >> } >> menuentry "Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200)" { >> linux /boot/memtest86+.bin console=ttyS0,115200n8 >> } >> ### END /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ### >> >> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### >> ### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### >> >> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/40_custom ### >> # This file is an example on how to add custom entries >> ### END /etc/grub.d/40_custom ### >> >> # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian >> # ones. >> title Other operating systems: >> root >> >> TIA >> Errol >> >> > > Errol, try this at terminal, > > sudo grub-mkconfig > > > If output at terminal is okay, then > > sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg > > to write to grub.cfg file. > > > If you have an older grub2 (not grub-legacy) version, (I doubt it), > then do this... > > sudo update-grub > > If all fails, then maybe at install, it wasnt set properly, then do > > sudo grub-install > > > Regards, > Goh Lip > > > Thanks Goh lip sudo grub-mkconfig If output at terminal is okay, then sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg to write to grub.cfg file. I did the above and this did the trick. Now for the obvious nerd question - Where does one learn such wonders and command solutions?? :-P Errol -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Oct 4 07:00:21 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:00:21 +0800 Subject: Grub2 & windows In-Reply-To: <4AC8401B.4020102@tzora.co.il> References: <4AC82FFE.3020807@tzora.co.il> <4AC8401B.4020102@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: Errol Sapir wrote: > Thanks Goh lip > > sudo grub-mkconfig > > > If output at terminal is okay, then > > sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg > > to write to grub.cfg file. > > > I did the above and this did the trick. Now for the obvious nerd > question - Where does one learn such wonders and command solutions?? :-P > > Errol > Errol, glad to hear you've worked it out. Googling. Problem is, there's a lot of commands that won't work, (maybe now they will?); but there's one in arch linux that's helpful. Still, grub2's under development and yes, I hope there's a man page for it also. So use at own risk. I've only mentioned what I have tried out and worked. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2 http://grub.enbug.org/Manual http://resa.linux-hardcore.com/?p=316 http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20.html Ciao, Goh Lip From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 07:33:45 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:33:45 +0200 Subject: Karmic: mozilla-acroread In-Reply-To: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> References: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Paul Lemmons wrote: > Has anybody had any luck installing the acrobat reader plugin for firefox in > karmic? When I try to:  sudo apt-get install mozilla-acroread it tells me > that no such package is found. Is it in a repository that is not part of the > normal list? (I have partner, non-free, restricted and medibuntu > repositories enabled). > > Google was not much help... I am hoping you all can do a better job :) > > -- I have played a lot with PDF formats and that reader always works and is THE standard but it is super slow! You might want to give Evince, KPDF and oklur a try (not sure if they are all working in KDE4 but worth a try anyway). For 9.10 medibuntu lists: * aacgain * aacplusenc * acroread-fonts * alsa-firmware * amrnb * amrwb * app-install-data-medibuntu * apport-hooks-medibuntu * gizmo5 * googleearth-data * googleearth * hot-babe * ices * libamrnb3 * libamrnb-dev * libamrwb3 * libamrwb-dev * libdvdcss2 * libdvdcss-dev * medibuntu-keyring * non-free-codecs * realplayer * rmconverter * skype-common * skype * skype-static * w32codecs * w64codecs -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 08:45:01 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:45:01 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> > Grub 2 should find all of your systems (including windows and you > should be just fine. > There is no windows partition on this machine. Thank you for the reassurance. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From velroij at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 09:24:41 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:24:41 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910030041v5bf3949ex618711453b84d204@mail.gmail.com> <200910030959.58476.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <1254587765.9009.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <9cc2d16c0910031112k61d45546y80fdc1801e2d5964@mail.gmail.com> <8fukp6-fjc.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <9cc2d16c0910031654p1f0a0ed6te2c37ad29c02e166@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910040224u6166000ble7e2dbaa3fafcd70@mail.gmail.com> I post how I want, your not one to decide for me, its my mail account not yours, and gmail always top post go hide behind your pc if you don´t like what I say 2009/10/4 Derek Broughton > Wesley Velroij wrote: > > Please learn to play nice with others: > > 1) don't top-post > 2) quote appropriately > > > I wasnt talking about hold option > > Yes, actually, you were. What you suggested he do with synaptic (not a KDE > package) results in a "dpkg" hold. > > But in any case, nothing you quoted below would give another reader a clue > what you're talking about. > > The previous poster suggested using KPackage to "hold" a package. Donn > said > he couldn't find that option. _IF_, as you suggested, he really meant > kpackagekit, I agree with Donn - there is no such option. If he really did > mean kpackage, there should be (at least there was last time I looked). > > > > > 2009/10/4 Derek Broughton > > > >> Wesley Velroij wrote: > >> > >> > I think its not named kpackage but kpackagekit orso, anyway the > default > >> > package manager in karmic kubuntu > >> > >> You're right that kpackagekit (or some variant of that name) is the > >> default > >> package manager in karmic. However, KPackage is another, older, and > >> still existing package manager (kpackage-kde4 is the package) - which > >> might perhaps give the option to "Hold" packages, because kpackagekit > >> sure doesn't > >> seem to. > -- > derek > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From velroij at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 09:27:22 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:27:22 +0200 Subject: Grub2 & windows In-Reply-To: References: <4AC82FFE.3020807@tzora.co.il> <4AC8401B.4020102@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910040227s33cab35egca33c9046545bed8@mail.gmail.com> lol like I said grub2 doesnt find Windows :P grub1 does but 2 not. Lol seems every release Kubuntu breaks something, lucky this time its something I don´t use. 2009/10/4 Goh Lip > Errol Sapir wrote: > > > Thanks Goh lip > > > > sudo grub-mkconfig > > > > > > If output at terminal is okay, then > > > > sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg > > > > to write to grub.cfg file. > > > > > > I did the above and this did the trick. Now for the obvious nerd > > question - Where does one learn such wonders and command solutions?? :-P > > > > Errol > > > > Errol, glad to hear you've worked it out. Googling. Problem is, there's > a lot of commands that won't work, (maybe now they will?); but there's > one in arch linux that's helpful. Still, grub2's under development and > yes, I hope there's a man page for it also. So use at own risk. I've > only mentioned what I have tried out and worked. > > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2 > http://grub.enbug.org/Manual > http://resa.linux-hardcore.com/?p=316 > http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20.html > > > Ciao, > Goh Lip > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From velroij at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 09:30:17 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:30:17 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> Lol here either, no Windows, but Wine is running succesfull games, so why should we need Windows? 2009/10/4 Dotan Cohen > > Grub 2 should find all of your systems (including windows and you > > should be just fine. > > > > There is no windows partition on this machine. Thank you for the > reassurance. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 09:39:24 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:39:24 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/4 Wesley Velroij : > Lol here either, no Windows, but Wine is running succesfull games, so why > should we need Windows? > Wesley, please refrain from taking threads OT just to bash Windows. That is called trolling. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From velroij at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 09:45:51 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:45:51 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910040245t55271c3as1838b6b57ac358e7@mail.gmail.com> Bleh don´t be so holy, I didnt bash Windows just said why we need it when we have wine, really do you have no life that you defending Windows? 2009/10/4 Dotan Cohen > 2009/10/4 Wesley Velroij : > > Lol here either, no Windows, but Wine is running succesfull games, so why > > should we need Windows? > > > > Wesley, please refrain from taking threads OT just to bash Windows. > That is called trolling. Thanks. > > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 09:53:29 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:53:29 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040245t55271c3as1838b6b57ac358e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040245t55271c3as1838b6b57ac358e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/4 Wesley Velroij : > Bleh don´t be so holy, I didnt bash Windows just said why we need it when we > have wine, really do you have no life that you defending Windows? > Please stop trolling. This thread discusses Grub2. There is no need of Windows bashing nor attacking those who do not want to bash. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From velroij at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:11:37 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:11:37 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040245t55271c3as1838b6b57ac358e7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> Please stop thinking u need to decide what I say 2009/10/4 Dotan Cohen > 2009/10/4 Wesley Velroij : > > Bleh don´t be so holy, I didnt bash Windows just said why we need it when > we > > have wine, really do you have no life that you defending Windows? > > > > Please stop trolling. This thread discusses Grub2. There is no need of > Windows bashing nor attacking those who do not want to bash. > > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:23:16 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:23:16 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040245t55271c3as1838b6b57ac358e7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910040323v1d171629k41f8d414bbfe83be@mail.gmail.com> > Please stop thinking u need to decide what I say > http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette Just looking at the past week of your messages, I think that you've overstepped at least three of the rules posted there and been called out for it by several other list members. My goal is not to upset or push you away, but rather to have you become a productive member of the Ubuntu community. But as with any community or society, there are rules that one must live by. Please read that document and you can direct any questions to me or to the list (cc me if you do). There are some other good, relevant documents on the web if you are interested. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From velroij at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:26:09 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:26:09 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910040323v1d171629k41f8d414bbfe83be@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040245t55271c3as1838b6b57ac358e7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040323v1d171629k41f8d414bbfe83be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910040326p55642ab2r49b0b24184d8a5c3@mail.gmail.com> i don´t need become a productive member of Ubuntu because I don´t support Ubuntu but only Kubuntu because Ubuntu Sucks big time. And not going sign a coc 2009/10/4 Dotan Cohen > > Please stop thinking u need to decide what I say > > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette > > Just looking at the past week of your messages, I think that you've > overstepped at least three of the rules posted there and been called > out for it by several other list members. > > My goal is not to upset or push you away, but rather to have you > become a productive member of the Ubuntu community. But as with any > community or society, there are rules that one must live by. Please > read that document and you can direct any questions to me or to the > list (cc me if you do). There are some other good, relevant documents > on the web if you are interested. > > Thanks. > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Oct 4 10:40:29 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:40:29 +0100 Subject: Karmic: mozilla-acroread In-Reply-To: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> References: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200910041140.29910.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Sunday 04 October 2009 01:45:26 Paul Lemmons wrote: > Has anybody had any luck installing the acrobat reader plugin for > firefox in karmic? When I try to: sudo apt-get install mozilla-acroread > it tells me that no such package is found. Is it in a repository that is > not part of the normal list? (I have partner, non-free, restricted and > medibuntu repositories enabled). Have you tried just installing acroread? As that's all I've got installed here and I have Acrobat Reader 9 in Firefox. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 4 10:43:16 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:43:16 -0400 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040224u6166000ble7e2dbaa3fafcd70@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040224u6166000ble7e2dbaa3fafcd70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910040643.16987.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Wesley Velroij wrote: >I post how I want, your not one to decide for me, its my mail account not >yours, and gmail always top post go hide behind your pc if you don´t like >what I say > Why blame gmail? There is I'm quite sure, a down arrow that will take your cursor to the bottom of the message so you can type there. Or you can probably pull the scroll bar down and click where you want to type. It is acceptable to enter your replies inline also, so that the answer to an individual question or comment is read by the rest of the world in the same order as a normal conversation would take place. And lastly, this list has posting guides that recommend those practices. It is also populated by volunteers, who are free to ignore, or even filter out other posters who think this list is their own bunch of slaves. Attitudes like yours will get your messages sent to /dev/null. The choice is yours to be uncivil, the choice is ours to filter you. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. A political man can have as his aim the realization of freedom, but he has no means to realize it other than through violence. -- Jean Paul Sartre From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sun Oct 4 10:45:44 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:45:44 +0800 Subject: Grub2 & windows In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040227s33cab35egca33c9046545bed8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC82FFE.3020807@tzora.co.il> <4AC8401B.4020102@tzora.co.il> <9cc2d16c0910040227s33cab35egca33c9046545bed8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AC87CD8.3040201@bradbury.edu.hk> Wesley Velroij wrote: > lol like I said grub2 doesnt find Windows :P grub1 does but 2 not. Lol seems > every release Kubuntu breaks something, lucky this time its something I > don´t use. > > I am not sure that it is Kubuntu breaking anything anymore than it is Ubuntu breaking something and the Kubuntu having to live with the broken pieces. (hint: the list for developers is called ubuntu-devel) From velroij at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:47:18 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:47:18 +0200 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <200910040643.16987.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040224u6166000ble7e2dbaa3fafcd70@mail.gmail.com> <200910040643.16987.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910040347j6c0729f6mac410a0443329d45@mail.gmail.com> Don´t talk such bullshit, I don´t follow rules online, internet is free and opensoure is supposed to be free, so if I answer on top of mail its your problem not my, because I only signed up for helping kubuntu to translate installer bling in dutch, because that translation got many missing strings. 2009/10/4 Gene Heskett > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Wesley Velroij wrote: > >I post how I want, your not one to decide for me, its my mail account not > >yours, and gmail always top post go hide behind your pc if you don´t like > >what I say > > > Why blame gmail? There is I'm quite sure, a down arrow that will take your > cursor to the bottom of the message so you can type there. Or you can > probably pull the scroll bar down and click where you want to type. > > It is acceptable to enter your replies inline also, so that the answer to > an > individual question or comment is read by the rest of the world in the same > order as a normal conversation would take place. > > And lastly, this list has posting guides that recommend those practices. > It > is also populated by volunteers, who are free to ignore, or even filter out > other posters who think this list is their own bunch of slaves. Attitudes > like yours will get your messages sent to /dev/null. The choice is yours > to > be uncivil, the choice is ours to filter you. > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. > > > A political man can have as his aim the realization of freedom, > but he has no means to realize it other than through violence. > -- Jean Paul Sartre > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sun Oct 4 10:47:08 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:47:08 +0800 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040326p55642ab2r49b0b24184d8a5c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040245t55271c3as1838b6b57ac358e7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040323v1d171629k41f8d414bbfe83be@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040326p55642ab2r49b0b24184d8a5c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AC87D2C.9030600@bradbury.edu.hk> Wesley Velroij wrote: > i don´t need become a productive member of Ubuntu because I don´t support > Ubuntu but only Kubuntu because Ubuntu Sucks big time. > > And not going sign a coc > > Cor, there is a kid named Wesley in the special needs department that is just like you...cannot seem to follow rules everybody else does. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 4 10:51:23 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:51:23 -0400 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910040651.23611.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Wesley Velroij wrote: >Please stop thinking u need to decide what I say > >2009/10/4 Dotan Cohen > >> 2009/10/4 Wesley Velroij : >> > Bleh don´t be so holy, I didnt bash Windows just said why we need it >> > when >> >> we >> >> > have wine, really do you have no life that you defending Windows? >> >> Please stop trolling. This thread discusses Grub2. There is no need of >> Windows bashing nor attacking those who do not want to bash. >> >> >> -- >> Dotan Cohen The above rely was the straw that broke this old camels back. This Wesley Velroij just made it to my .procmailrc. Goodby Wesley. Have a nice life. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. "If you want to know what happens to you when you die, go look at some dead stuff." -- Dave Enyeart From velroij at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:51:42 2009 From: velroij at gmail.com (Wesley Velroij) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:51:42 +0200 Subject: Grub2 & windows In-Reply-To: <4AC87CD8.3040201@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AC82FFE.3020807@tzora.co.il> <4AC8401B.4020102@tzora.co.il> <9cc2d16c0910040227s33cab35egca33c9046545bed8@mail.gmail.com> <4AC87CD8.3040201@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <9cc2d16c0910040351v1007026ch3d6522f08033029b@mail.gmail.com> Okay sorry I forget the core is the same as ubuntu 2009/10/4 Chan Chung Hang Christopher > Wesley Velroij wrote: > > lol like I said grub2 doesnt find Windows :P grub1 does but 2 not. Lol > seems > > every release Kubuntu breaks something, lucky this time its something I > > don´t use. > > > > > > > I am not sure that it is Kubuntu breaking anything anymore than it is > Ubuntu breaking something and the Kubuntu having to live with the broken > pieces. (hint: the list for developers is called ubuntu-devel) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 11:04:25 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:04:25 +0200 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040326p55642ab2r49b0b24184d8a5c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <200910031853.41981.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <880dece00910040145i1252ff62k24a7c4f1d81e3eda@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040230o7044812cgeee40626a62ae17@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040239q4b576d31xe5d81b5efc39f8f9@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040245t55271c3as1838b6b57ac358e7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040323v1d171629k41f8d414bbfe83be@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040326p55642ab2r49b0b24184d8a5c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910040404v24be247du8bec69f0420c0d10@mail.gmail.com> > i don´t need become a productive member of Ubuntu because I don´t support > Ubuntu but only Kubuntu because Ubuntu Sucks big time. > The Code of Conduct applies to all *buntu (and I think other Canonical) lists, Kubuntu included. > And not going sign a coc > You do not need to sign anything. You just need to abide by this community's behaviour when taking part in community discussions. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:54:34 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:54:34 +1000 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040347j6c0729f6mac410a0443329d45@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <200910040643.16987.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <9cc2d16c0910040347j6c0729f6mac410a0443329d45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910042054.34146.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:47:18 pm Wesley Velroij wrote: > Don´t talk such bullshit, I don´t follow rules online, internet is free and > opensoure is supposed to be free, so if I answer on top of mail its your > problem not my, Grow up kid. ::Plonk:: -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sun Oct 4 13:24:16 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:24:16 +0800 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty Message-ID: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> Hello all, Just need some help in verifying where a reproducible bug is. I will just post what I have encountered and I expect the majority of you to not have the same problem unless you have the same hardware I have got. 1) Install Kubuntu Jaunty and update to the latest packages and install and enable sshd. Boot latest kernel. 2) Login. Logout. Login. Logout. Screen now goes blank, keyboard does not respond anymore, ctrl+alt+backspace does not kill X. 3) ssh into box. 'sudo killall -HUP kdm' to 'resolve' blank screen after second logout attempt. Login screen should now appear. Those interested in the kdm log, please go here: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m41dbc365 VGA chip in question: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. KM400/KN400/P4M800 [S3 UniChrome] (rev 01) Please do post back if you get the same problem but with different hardware/driver otherwise I will assume that this is an openchrome bug. Thanks From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sun Oct 4 17:02:37 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:02:37 -0700 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <9cc2d16c0910040224u6166000ble7e2dbaa3fafcd70@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040224u6166000ble7e2dbaa3fafcd70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910041002.37270.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Sunday 04 October 2009 2:24:41 am Wesley Velroij wrote: > I post how I want, your not one to decide for me, its my mail account not > yours, and gmail always top post go hide behind your pc if you don´t like > what I say I don't really have to anymore, you just made my plonk file so your post now goes directly to trash without my having to ever see them, and rejoice, you caused it all by yourself!! Hope you're happy with yourself! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From guethling at googlemail.com Sun Oct 4 17:10:03 2009 From: guethling at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sascha_G=FCthling?=) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:10:03 -0400 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <200910041002.37270.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040224u6166000ble7e2dbaa3fafcd70@mail.gmail.com> <200910041002.37270.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <8abf83c20910041010l6cb1cdc8gf0bbca72d19b808b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Pastor JW wrote: > On Sunday 04 October 2009 2:24:41 am Wesley Velroij wrote: >> I post how I want, your not one to decide for me, its my mail account not >> yours, and gmail always top post go hide behind your pc if you don´t like >> what I say > > I don't really have to anymore, you just made my plonk file so your post now > goes directly to trash without my having to ever see them, and rejoice, you > caused it all by yourself!!  Hope you're happy with yourself! > > -- > 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 > http://the-inner-circle.org  _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle > http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Same here! Congrats Wesley! By the way, this message was send with gmail, just showing it is possible to bottom post with it. Sascha From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 19:40:39 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:40:39 -0400 Subject: Aptitude prevention In-Reply-To: <200910041002.37270.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <200910030834.51131.donn.ingle@gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040224u6166000ble7e2dbaa3fafcd70@mail.gmail.com> <200910041002.37270.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <1254685239.12279.5.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 10:02 -0700, Pastor JW wrote: > On Sunday 04 October 2009 2:24:41 am Wesley Velroij wrote: > > I post how I want, your not one to decide for me, its my mail account not > > yours, and gmail always top post go hide behind your pc if you don´t like > > what I say > > I don't really have to anymore, you just made my plonk file so your post now > goes directly to trash without my having to ever see them, and rejoice, you > caused it all by yourself!! Hope you're happy with yourself! Amen! :) Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 19:53:24 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:53:24 -0400 Subject: Grub2: Will testing the Karmic beta give me trouble with my daily driver? In-Reply-To: <200910040651.23611.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <880dece00910031543r74b1c76fia0cede1fce2c237c@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910040253s21e65393u711704b69ef1082d@mail.gmail.com> <9cc2d16c0910040311p6b43d1b7o916b5e61a39f15a7@mail.gmail.com> <200910040651.23611.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1254686004.12279.13.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 06:51 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Wesley Velroij wrote: > >Please stop thinking u need to decide what I say > > > >2009/10/4 Dotan Cohen > > > >> 2009/10/4 Wesley Velroij : > >> > Bleh don´t be so holy, I didnt bash Windows just said why we need it > >> > when > >> > >> we > >> > >> > have wine, really do you have no life that you defending Windows? > >> > >> Please stop trolling. This thread discusses Grub2. There is no need of > >> Windows bashing nor attacking those who do not want to bash. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Dotan Cohen > > The above rely was the straw that broke this old camels back. > This Wesley Velroij just made it to my .procmailrc. > Goodby Wesley. Have a nice life. What is sad is that his behavior will remain there to see by anyone googling for specific information concerning grub2, and ours as well. That is what he doesn't get... that this list is one huge document for others to research through in order to get information. Top posts wreck the continuity. So, very young Mr. Wesley dabbles in Linux, claims to be doing something useful, while acting like a typical 14 year old. That is why I firmly believe that children should not be allowed on the Internet. They don't know how to behave, have no business being among adults nor adults being around them, especially since they are not accountable for their behavior in court and have no legal assent. Maybe Mariam will handle him off-line. We can but hope. :) Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 19:55:23 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:55:23 -0400 Subject: Karmic: mozilla-acroread In-Reply-To: References: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <1254686123.12279.14.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 09:33 +0200, Knapp wrote: > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Paul Lemmons wrote: > > Has anybody had any luck installing the acrobat reader plugin for firefox in > > karmic? When I try to: sudo apt-get install mozilla-acroread it tells me > > that no such package is found. Is it in a repository that is not part of the > > normal list? (I have partner, non-free, restricted and medibuntu > > repositories enabled). > > > > Google was not much help... I am hoping you all can do a better job :) > > > > -- > > I have played a lot with PDF formats and that reader always works and > is THE standard but it is super slow! You might want to give Evince, > KPDF and oklur a try (not sure if they are all working in KDE4 but > worth a try anyway). Using Okular with kubuntu Karmic Beta, works fine. Ric From paul at lemmons.name Sun Oct 4 22:20:38 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:20:38 -0700 Subject: Karmic: mozilla-acroread In-Reply-To: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> References: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <4AC91FB6.1040602@lemmons.name> Paul Lemmons wrote: > Has anybody had any luck installing the acrobat reader plugin for > firefox in karmic? When I try to: sudo apt-get install > mozilla-acroread it tells me that no such package is found. Is it in a > repository that is not part of the normal list? (I have partner, > non-free, restricted and medibuntu repositories enabled). > > Google was not much help... I am hoping you all can do a better job :) I use okular and love it. I use it for all PDF viewing except within firefox. It is super fast. A real piece of art. For browsing, though, I really want my PDF's to appear in a tab under FireFox. I do not want to have to see it pop up with a "Downloading... " followed by an other application opening it in a different window. If Okular had the ability to do this in a firefox plugin I would use it in a heartbeat. However, that is not the case so I am still looking for a way to make this work under Karmic (KDE 4.3.1) beta. BTW, I do have acroread installed. I am looking for the plugin. That is the package I can't seem to find anywhere. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry for jumping in so late (work gets in the way ) Please, this is pub so do watch the language. http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette > > > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Wesley Velroij wrote: > > >I post how I want, your not one to decide for me, its my mail account > > > not yours, and gmail always top post go hide behind your pc if you > > > don´t like what I say there are valid and *helpful* reasons for these rules http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette read them, they explain not only the guidelines, but the reasons for them. If you continue to act in this childish manner, two things will happen: 1. You will be filtered out by the members individually, thereby causing you to be ignored by many when you have a question or problem. 2. You may be put on moderation, which means I will have to manually approve every post you make during that time, and I work many long hours each day. -- Clay Weber http://kubuntuforums.net http://flyballmaine.com http://emacdogsports.com From paul at lemmons.name Sun Oct 4 22:47:53 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:47:53 -0700 Subject: Canceling a "job" Message-ID: <4AC92619.8050506@lemmons.name> Ok..I like what they have done with the little info area; where informative messages popup from, keeping you in the know. Much better than before when the messages would pop up and then instantly disappear, never to be seen again.That said, I think they may have gone a little bit too far (or not far enough, depending on how you look at it). I was uploading a large file to an FTP site today using dolphin. It used to be that there was a dialog box that appeared showing progress and, more relevent to this discussion, a cancel button. When I dragged my large file from my computer pane to the FTP pane it dutifully added an entry to the info area letting me know I had 5 more hours to wait for it to finish uploading and even showed me a progress bar. Cool so far, except that I had dragged the wrong file over. Try as I might, I could not find any way to tell it to stop, short of logging off and back on. I am thinking that a little red X on that info/progress-meter would go a long way towards making me happier than I already am with Karmic. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I dragged > my large file from my computer pane to the FTP pane it dutifully added > an entry to the info area letting me know I had 5 more hours to wait > for it to finish uploading and even showed me a progress bar. Cool so > far, except that I had dragged the wrong file over. Try as I might, I > could not find any way to tell it to stop, short of logging off and > back on. > > I am thinking that a little red X on that info/progress-meter would go > a long way towards making me happier than I already am with Karmic. Added bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/442654 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't find a chicken foot to wave at it, so I figured to ask. :) Ric From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Oct 5 00:23:13 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:23:13 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910042023.13880.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: > Whatever bad juju I had in my mouse seems to have climbed into my > monitor. I can't find a chicken foot to wave at it, so I figured to > ask. :) Ric > I think it must be the radiation from the gummint agents out in the countryside near you who are scanning for mal-contents with their find- conservatives-with-bad-intents gear!!! (or it could just be methane from the nearby dairy.....) From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Mon Oct 5 00:35:00 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:35:00 +0800 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4AC93F34.1040006@bradbury.edu.hk> Ric Moore wrote: > I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I > don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of the > laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display for > power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not a > battery in sight. Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. The back lighting is losing its touch. From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 00:48:17 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:48:17 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <4AC93F34.1040006@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC93F34.1040006@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <1254703697.21757.52.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 08:35 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I > > don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of the > > laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display for > > power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not a > > battery in sight. > > > Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. The > back lighting is losing its touch. Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric From tortise at paradise.net.nz Mon Oct 5 01:03:23 2009 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (tortise at paradise.net.nz) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:03:23 +1300 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <035113685186463AA14B84F1A7E1BBBB@dp2000xp> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Moore" To: Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of the laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display for power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not a battery in sight. Whatever bad juju I had in my mouse seems to have climbed into my monitor. I can't find a chicken foot to wave at it, so I figured to ask. :) Ric =================== I'd try jiggling (try both ends - common problem) or replacing the cable between them as a start to see if its a cable issue. Following that it is likely to be a monitor issue. (Finally a notebook issue - seems the least likely explanation to me) Do let us know. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Mon Oct 5 01:05:32 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:05:32 +0800 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254703697.21757.52.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC93F34.1040006@bradbury.edu.hk> <1254703697.21757.52.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4AC9465C.9030405@bradbury.edu.hk> Ric Moore wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 08:35 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > >> Ric Moore wrote: >> >>> I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I >>> don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of the >>> laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display for >>> power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not a >>> battery in sight. >>> >> Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. The >> back lighting is losing its touch. >> > > Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric > > Oh, a CRT. The gun calling quits then. 19"? From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Oct 5 01:17:02 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:17:02 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <4AC9465C.9030405@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <1254703697.21757.52.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC9465C.9030405@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <200910042117.02402.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Christopher Chan wrote: >Ric Moore wrote: >> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 08:35 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: >>> Ric Moore wrote: >>>> I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I >>>> don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of >>>> the laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display >>>> for power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not >>>> a battery in sight. >>> >>> Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. The >>> back lighting is losing its touch. >> >> Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric > >Oh, a CRT. The gun calling quits then. 19"? > In that case Ric, more than likely an electrolytic capacitor is developing an intermittently high ESR (equivalent series resistance). As ESR meters haven't made it to the DIY toolboxes yet, you may have to find a tech that has one & grease his palm with folding green grease. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The only recomendation is "dont". - Alan Cox giving some recommendations for binary-only drivers From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 01:43:26 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:43:26 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <200910042117.02402.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <1254703697.21757.52.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC9465C.9030405@bradbury.edu.hk> <200910042117.02402.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1254707006.21757.64.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:17 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Christopher Chan wrote: > >Ric Moore wrote: > >> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 08:35 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > >>> Ric Moore wrote: > >>>> I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I > >>>> don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of > >>>> the laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display > >>>> for power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not > >>>> a battery in sight. > >>> > >>> Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. The > >>> back lighting is losing its touch. > >> > >> Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric > > > >Oh, a CRT. The gun calling quits then. 19"? 21" Dell P1130 ...it's already wrecked one desk that I put it on. For those of us elderly like Gene and me, having LARGE system font size is a good thing. :) > In that case Ric, more than likely an electrolytic capacitor is developing an > intermittently high ESR (equivalent series resistance). As ESR meters > haven't made it to the DIY toolboxes yet, you may have to find a tech that > has one & grease his palm with folding green grease. The chances of finding a Gene Heskett in southside rural Virginia are slim to none. I'd strap this thing to my moped and make a run for your place in WV, but if it tipped over, I'd never get it back up again. Besides, it's all uphill to there from here. Here's the fun thing, when I boot the display looks great in text mode. It's also a "Trinitron". So, I keep hoping it may be some bit of errant software that is dimming the display. Ric From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Mon Oct 5 02:06:00 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:06:00 +0800 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254707006.21757.64.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <1254703697.21757.52.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC9465C.9030405@bradbury.edu.hk> <200910042117.02402.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1254707006.21757.64.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4AC95488.80401@bradbury.edu.hk> Ric Moore wrote: > On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:17 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Christopher Chan wrote: >> >>> Ric Moore wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 08:35 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ric Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I >>>>>> don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of >>>>>> the laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display >>>>>> for power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not >>>>>> a battery in sight. >>>>>> >>>>> Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. The >>>>> back lighting is losing its touch. >>>>> >>>> Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric >>>> >>> Oh, a CRT. The gun calling quits then. 19"? >>> > > 21" Dell P1130 ...it's already wrecked one desk that I put it on. For > those of us elderly like Gene and me, having LARGE system font size is a > good thing. :) > > Use a lower resolution on one of them fancy new LCD screens? I have a 19" Princeton, only goes up to 1152x868 or something at 75hz refresh rate. With 19" LCD screens for a little over a hundred USD, I think it is time to get it replaced...if only it would break down...:-D >> In that case Ric, more than likely an electrolytic capacitor is developing an >> intermittently high ESR (equivalent series resistance). As ESR meters >> haven't made it to the DIY toolboxes yet, you may have to find a tech that >> has one & grease his palm with folding green grease. >> > > The chances of finding a Gene Heskett in southside rural Virginia are > slim to none. I'd strap this thing to my moped and make a run for your > place in WV, but if it tipped over, I'd never get it back up again. > Besides, it's all uphill to there from here. > > Here's the fun thing, when I boot the display looks great in text mode. > It's also a "Trinitron". So, I keep hoping it may be some bit of errant > software that is dimming the display. Ric > > Flat screen tube from Sony. I guess you have a horizontal line halfway down the screen and nice square pixels? From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Oct 5 02:06:07 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:06:07 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254707006.21757.64.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910042117.02402.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1254707006.21757.64.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910042206.07154.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: >On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:17 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Christopher Chan wrote: >> >Ric Moore wrote: >> >> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 08:35 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: >> >>> Ric Moore wrote: >> >>>> I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I >> >>>> don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of >> >>>> the laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display >> >>>> for power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice >> >>>> ...not a battery in sight. >> >>> >> >>> Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. The >> >>> back lighting is losing its touch. >> >> >> >> Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric >> > >> >Oh, a CRT. The gun calling quits then. 19"? > >21" Dell P1130 ...it's already wrecked one desk that I put it on. For >those of us elderly like Gene and me, having LARGE system font size is a >good thing. :) I had some NEC's in past years like that, their 17" from 15 years ago must have weighed in at 75 pounds. >> In that case Ric, more than likely an electrolytic capacitor is >> developing an intermittently high ESR (equivalent series resistance). As >> ESR meters haven't made it to the DIY toolboxes yet, you may have to find >> a tech that has one & grease his palm with folding green grease. > >The chances of finding a Gene Heskett in southside rural Virginia are >slim to none. I'd strap this thing to my moped and make a run for your >place in WV, but if it tipped over, I'd never get it back up again. >Besides, it's all uphill to there from here. Both ways... Moped indeed, find a couple of full gas barrels and bring the stovebolt. Then I'll have to go borrow the capacitor wizard from the tv station. >Here's the fun thing, when I boot the display looks great in text mode. >It's also a "Trinitron". So, I keep hoping it may be some bit of errant >software that is dimming the display. Ric I suppose that's possible. Nvidia video card I assume, going from corner to corner like a cat when it can't find that tub of diatomatious earth? I have seen that, as a prelude to going south by dropping a 4 foot crowbar across the bus, taking the motherboard with it. When it fades, can you do a ctrl+alt+bkspc & get back to the text screen to see if its dim too? Trinitron is now a very old technology, and was prone to green gun losses when it was new. Age didn't improve it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. ...[Linux's] capacity to talk via any medium except smoke signals. -- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 02:21:28 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:21:28 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <4AC95488.80401@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <1254703697.21757.52.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC9465C.9030405@bradbury.edu.hk> <200910042117.02402.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1254707006.21757.64.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC95488.80401@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <1254709288.21757.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 10:06 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:17 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > >> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Christopher Chan wrote: > >> > >>> Ric Moore wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 08:35 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ric Moore wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I > >>>>>> don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of > >>>>>> the laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display > >>>>>> for power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not > >>>>>> a battery in sight. > >>>>>> > >>>>> Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. The > >>>>> back lighting is losing its touch. > >>>>> > >>>> Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric > >>>> > >>> Oh, a CRT. The gun calling quits then. 19"? > >>> > > > > 21" Dell P1130 ...it's already wrecked one desk that I put it on. For > > those of us elderly like Gene and me, having LARGE system font size is a > > good thing. :) > > > > > Use a lower resolution on one of them fancy new LCD screens? I have a > 19" Princeton, only goes up to 1152x868 or something at 75hz refresh > rate. With 19" LCD screens for a little over a hundred USD, I think it > is time to get it replaced...if only it would break down...:-D > > >> In that case Ric, more than likely an electrolytic capacitor is developing an > >> intermittently high ESR (equivalent series resistance). As ESR meters > >> haven't made it to the DIY toolboxes yet, you may have to find a tech that > >> has one & grease his palm with folding green grease. > >> > > > > The chances of finding a Gene Heskett in southside rural Virginia are > > slim to none. I'd strap this thing to my moped and make a run for your > > place in WV, but if it tipped over, I'd never get it back up again. > > Besides, it's all uphill to there from here. > > > > Here's the fun thing, when I boot the display looks great in text mode. > > It's also a "Trinitron". So, I keep hoping it may be some bit of errant > > software that is dimming the display. Ric > > > > > > > Flat screen tube from Sony. I guess you have a horizontal line halfway > down the screen and nice square pixels? I have a bunch of horizontal lines that are on a slant. I didn't have them at all until I installed a newer nVidia card than the older one (5200) I had. I'm shopping New Egg to replace it. Ric From stan10x10 at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 03:03:12 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:03:12 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254709288.21757.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <1254703697.21757.52.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC9465C.9030405@bradbury.edu.hk> <200910042117.02402.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1254707006.21757.64.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AC95488.80401@bradbury.edu.hk> <1254709288.21757.71.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0910042003u3f648334t9b526ba7e07a9d34@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 10:06 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > > Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:17 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > >> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Christopher Chan wrote: > > >> > > >>> Ric Moore wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 08:35 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Ric Moore wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping > I > > >>>>>> don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some > of > > >>>>>> the laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the > display > > >>>>>> for power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice > ...not > > >>>>>> a battery in sight. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. > The > > >>>>> back lighting is losing its touch. > > >>>>> > > >>>> Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric > > >>>> > > >>> Oh, a CRT. The gun calling quits then. 19"? > > >>> > > > > > > 21" Dell P1130 ...it's already wrecked one desk that I put it on. For > > > those of us elderly like Gene and me, having LARGE system font size is > a > > > good thing. :) > > > > > > > > Use a lower resolution on one of them fancy new LCD screens? I have a > > 19" Princeton, only goes up to 1152x868 or something at 75hz refresh > > rate. With 19" LCD screens for a little over a hundred USD, I think it > > is time to get it replaced...if only it would break down...:-D > > > > >> In that case Ric, more than likely an electrolytic capacitor is > developing an > > >> intermittently high ESR (equivalent series resistance). As ESR meters > > >> haven't made it to the DIY toolboxes yet, you may have to find a tech > that > > >> has one & grease his palm with folding green grease. > > >> > > > > > > The chances of finding a Gene Heskett in southside rural Virginia are > > > slim to none. I'd strap this thing to my moped and make a run for your > > > place in WV, but if it tipped over, I'd never get it back up again. > > > Besides, it's all uphill to there from here. > > > > > > Here's the fun thing, when I boot the display looks great in text mode. > > > It's also a "Trinitron". So, I keep hoping it may be some bit of errant > > > software that is dimming the display. Ric > > > > > > > > > > > > Flat screen tube from Sony. I guess you have a horizontal line halfway > > down the screen and nice square pixels? > > I have a bunch of horizontal lines that are on a slant. I didn't have > them at all until I installed a newer nVidia card than the older one > (5200) I had. I'm shopping New Egg to replace it. Ric > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Just replaced a 22" mitsu diamondtron crt with a 23" samsung tn lcd. When I bought the mitsu it did not seem that heavy but It does now. I put it down on a throw rug and pulled the rug to get in a closit in the guest room. The samsung does 1920x1080 but I run it at 1360x768 for my old eyes except when watching a movie. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You might want to give Evince, > KPDF and oklur a try (not sure if they are all working in KDE4 but > worth a try anyway). > > For 9.10 medibuntu lists: > > * aacgain > * aacplusenc > * acroread-fonts > * alsa-firmware > * amrnb > * amrwb > * app-install-data-medibuntu > * apport-hooks-medibuntu > * gizmo5 > * googleearth-data > * googleearth > * hot-babe > * ices > * libamrnb3 > * libamrnb-dev > * libamrwb3 > * libamrwb-dev > * libdvdcss2 > * libdvdcss-dev > * medibuntu-keyring > * non-free-codecs > * realplayer > * rmconverter > * skype-common > * skype > * skype-static > * w32codecs > * w64codecs > > > > -- > Douglas E Knapp > > Why do we live? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > What repositories do I need to activate to get everything under medibuntu? 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I'm hoping >> >>>>>> I don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if >> >>>>>> some of the laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim >> >>>>>> the display for power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall >> >>>>>> for juice ...not a battery in sight. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Probably the light source for the lcd screen needing replacement. >> >>>>> The back lighting is losing its touch. >> >>>> >> >>>> Sorry, it's a CRT monitor.. a huge mother. :) Ric >> >>> >> >>> Oh, a CRT. The gun calling quits then. 19"? >> > >> > 21" Dell P1130 ...it's already wrecked one desk that I put it on. For >> > those of us elderly like Gene and me, having LARGE system font size is >> > a good thing. :) >> >> Use a lower resolution on one of them fancy new LCD screens? I have a >> 19" Princeton, only goes up to 1152x868 or something at 75hz refresh >> rate. With 19" LCD screens for a little over a hundred USD, I think it >> is time to get it replaced...if only it would break down...:-D >> >> >> In that case Ric, more than likely an electrolytic capacitor is >> >> developing an intermittently high ESR (equivalent series resistance). >> >> As ESR meters haven't made it to the DIY toolboxes yet, you may have >> >> to find a tech that has one & grease his palm with folding green >> >> grease. >> > >> > The chances of finding a Gene Heskett in southside rural Virginia are >> > slim to none. I'd strap this thing to my moped and make a run for your >> > place in WV, but if it tipped over, I'd never get it back up again. >> > Besides, it's all uphill to there from here. >> > >> > Here's the fun thing, when I boot the display looks great in text mode. >> > It's also a "Trinitron". So, I keep hoping it may be some bit of errant >> > software that is dimming the display. Ric >> >> Flat screen tube from Sony. I guess you have a horizontal line halfway >> down the screen and nice square pixels? > >I have a bunch of horizontal lines that are on a slant. I didn't have >them at all until I installed a newer nVidia card than the older one >(5200) I had. I'm shopping New Egg to replace it. Ric > It was a gforce2-5200 that ate a motherboard for me about 4 years ago. That biostar board wasn't all that well designed, an AMD xp1400 running at 1400 always ran hot enough I had to pull the monster, fire siren cooler and clean it up & replace the artic silver about 2x a year, or it would hit the 175C shutdown and die. After I replaced it with another board and an XP2800, which was far from 2x as fast as the XP1400, I took that xp1400 and its gig of dram and put it on a Mach Speed board, same cooler too. It hasn't run over 130F since, and its now running at 1600mhz. Its running my baby milling machine, and doing it very well. The Mach Speed board apparently has good dram timing, and except for a spate of power failures that finally broke my old UPS, has simply soldiered on 24/7/365 for about 4 years now. Running kubuntu-6.06 LTS. Oh, I did have one video failure out there, a gforce 3 6200's fan died, and it self destructed as any of those will do when the fan gets a tummy ache. There is an old TNT video card it in now, plenty good enough to do that job. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. If someone stinks, view it as a reason to help them, not a reason to avoid them. -- Larry Wall in <199702111730.JAA28598 at wall.org> From tanghus at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 07:21:17 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:21:17 +0200 Subject: Aptitude wants to delete subversion - WTF? Message-ID: <200910050921.18081.tanghus@gmail.com> This morning when I wanted to update the the system aptitude said that there was 1 update and that subversion would be removed. I have no idea why and I've actually just started using it a couple of days ago :-/ I fired up Synaptic and could easily just update the one package needed but when I run: sudo aptitude update it says: idA subversion - Advanced version control system where "d" means that it is to be removed. What happened here? -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From tanghus at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 07:25:56 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:25:56 +0200 Subject: Aptitude wants to delete subversion - WTF? In-Reply-To: <200910050921.18081.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910050921.18081.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910050925.57054.tanghus@gmail.com> On 5/10-2009 09:21 Thomas Olsen wrote: > This morning when I wanted to update the the system aptitude said that > there was 1 update and that subversion would be removed. I have no idea > why and I've actually just started using it a couple of days ago :-/ > I fired up Synaptic and could easily just update the one package needed but > when I run: > > sudo aptitude update This was to be: aptitude search subversion > > it says: > > idA subversion - Advanced version control system > > where "d" means that it is to be removed. > > What happened here? > -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From tanghus at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 08:04:03 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:04:03 +0200 Subject: Aptitude wants to delete subversion - WTF? In-Reply-To: <200910050925.57054.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910050921.18081.tanghus@gmail.com> <200910050925.57054.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910051004.03766.tanghus@gmail.com> Replying to my self: On 5/10-2009 09:25 Thomas Olsen wrote: > On 5/10-2009 09:21 Thomas Olsen wrote: > > This morning when I wanted to update the the system aptitude said that > > there was 1 update and that subversion would be removed. I have no idea > > why and I've actually just started using it a couple of days ago :-/ > > I fired up Synaptic and could easily just update the one package needed > > but when I run: > > > > sudo aptitude update > > This was to be: > > aptitude search subversion > > > it says: > > > > idA subversion - Advanced version control system > > > > where "d" means that it is to be removed. > > > > What happened here? > Apparently because I installed kdesvn I had to install kdesvn-kio-plugins but then I had to remove kdesdk-kio-plugins. As kdesdk-kio-plugins depends on subversion it was marked as automatically installed and was to be removed. Have to remove the mark from "Synaptic=>Package=>Automatically installed". reading thru "man subversion" I see that I could have used: aptitude unmarkauto subversion Well - enough babbling from me ;-) -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 5 10:20:58 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:20:58 +0100 Subject: Canceling a "job" In-Reply-To: <4AC92A8E.4050203@lemmons.name> References: <4AC92619.8050506@lemmons.name> <4AC92A8E.4050203@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200910051120.58334.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On mine FTP, and indeed every other "job", has a 'stop' buton (a small square) and even a pause button - top right. Maybe you first need to push the little 'up arrow' thing (top right) to make the notification window bigger and then you'll see all the controls. Mark On Monday 05 Oct 2009 00:06:54 Paul Lemmons wrote: > Paul Lemmons wrote: > > Ok..I like what they have done with the little info area; where > > informative messages popup from, keeping you in the know. Much better > > than before when the messages would pop up and then instantly > > disappear, never to be seen again.That said, I think they may have > > gone a little bit too far (or not far enough, depending on how you > > look at it). > > > > I was uploading a large file to an FTP site today using dolphin. It > > used to be that there was a dialog box that appeared showing progress > > and, more relevent to this discussion, a cancel button. When I dragged > > my large file from my computer pane to the FTP pane it dutifully added > > an entry to the info area letting me know I had 5 more hours to wait > > for it to finish uploading and even showed me a progress bar. Cool so > > far, except that I had dragged the wrong file over. Try as I might, I > > could not find any way to tell it to stop, short of logging off and > > back on. > > > > I am thinking that a little red X on that info/progress-meter would go > > a long way towards making me happier than I already am with Karmic. > Added bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/442654 > From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 5 10:31:20 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:31:20 +0100 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <035113685186463AA14B84F1A7E1BBBB@dp2000xp> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <035113685186463AA14B84F1A7E1BBBB@dp2000xp> Message-ID: <200910051131.20799.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Monday 05 Oct 2009 02:03:23 tortise at paradise.net.nz wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ric Moore" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:07 PM > Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff > > > I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I > don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of the > laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display for > power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not a > battery in sight. > > Whatever bad juju I had in my mouse seems to have climbed into my > monitor. I can't find a chicken foot to wave at it, so I figured to > ask. :) Ric > > =================== > > I'd try jiggling (try both ends - common problem) or replacing the cable between them as a start to see if its a cable issue. > Following that it is likely to be a monitor issue. (Finally a notebook issue - seems the least likely explanation to me) Do let > us know. > If moving the mouse around brings it back to life then it might well be powersaving - in which case you can look in Power Management in the System Settings to find it. But I think it's unlikely. Definitely try jiggling or even replacing the cable, I've had a few go wrong with age. However the bad news is that 'greying out' is often the sign of a Trinitron that is about to lose the magic smoke that makes it work. The usual technical solution to this is to apply sharp percussive maintenance on the perimiter of the enclosure (i.e. give it a good hard slap on one side).... sometimes it works. Sometimes it makes bits fall off. But it's fun anyway :) Mark From info at alvin.be Mon Oct 5 13:02:11 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:02:11 +0200 Subject: Shared calendar Message-ID: At the moment, I'm sharing my calendar with myself, using Akonadi. The Calendar is an .ics file, residing on an sftp server. My office pc and home pc both use Akonadi to edit the .ics file. So far, this has worked well. Sometimes, the calendars do not seem to be in sync, but lately this system seems to be more stable. Now, I do not trust this to edit the calendar from both computers at the same time. After all, Akonadi is made for single users. So, how do I extend this? I want my wife to be able to see and edit the agenda. What would be the best way to work together? (She uses Evolution, but that can be changed.) Do I need a Caldav server, do I need Kolab, eGroupware? What's the (K)Ubuntu preferred way to do this? Should she just have another calendar and mail me the appointments? Do I need to look at Google calendar? From mmtsales at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 17:10:02 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:10:02 -0300 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? Message-ID: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> Hello, I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but all of them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you to configure an user as an administrator. In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no such an option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? Thanks, Marcelo From myriam at kubuntu.org Mon Oct 5 17:36:36 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:36:36 +0200 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Marcelo On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 19:10, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > Hello, > > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but all of > them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you to > configure an user as an administrator. > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no such an > option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? Well, first of all, you don't need to, since the first user automatically has sudo rights. You can work simply by starting the command line applications with 'sudo ', it will then ask for your password. The default timeout is set to 5 minutes. You can also start a konsole with 'sudo -i' to have a permanent root konsole, although this is not recommended. To start GUI applications you start those with 'kdesudo '. You can find more information about sudo in the manpages. If you still want to make a root account despite these possibilities, the proceedings are exactly the same as for Gnome, since the root account is independent of the GUI interface. Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Oct 5 17:38:19 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:38:19 -0400 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910051338.19515.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Monday 05 October 2009, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but all of > them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you to > configure an user as an administrator. > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no such an > option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > Why not use root? sudo passwd root and don't beat me up, gang, for telling this.... This is the first thing I do when installing kubuntu. I'm a big boy and I can clean up my own messes. From mmtsales at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 17:54:48 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:54:48 -0300 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910051454.48777.mmtsales@gmail.com> Em Segunda-feira 05 Outubro 2009, Myriam Schweingruber escreveu: > Hi Marcelo > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 19:10, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but > > all of them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you > > to configure an user as an administrator. > > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no > > such an option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > > Well, first of all, you don't need to, since the first user > automatically has sudo rights. > > You can work simply by starting the command line applications with > 'sudo ', it will then ask for your password. The default > timeout is set to 5 minutes. You can also start a konsole with 'sudo > -i' to have a permanent root konsole, although this is not > recommended. > > To start GUI applications you start those with 'kdesudo '. > > You can find more information about sudo in the manpages. > > If you still want to make a root account despite these possibilities, > the proceedings are exactly the same as for Gnome, since the root > account is independent of the GUI interface. Hi, Myriam, thanks for your response. I know about sudo, but I need two user accounts who are able to administer this machine. If possible, I would prefer they do not share one account to perform administrative tasks. I have also read that I could activate the root account by setting up a password to it with passwd, but I think that the Ubuntu way (using sudo) is better. However, the gnome user manager has an option in the GUI that allows me to create an user account and set it up as and administrator using only the GUI, without the need to edit /etc/sudoers directly. I was wondering if wasn't there a way to do the same with the GUI tools provided with Kubuntu. I see that, in /etc/sudoers, there is the following line: %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL My understanding is that members of the admin group are able to administer the machine using sudo. Is that right? Is it enough to make a user a member of this group if I want he/she to be able to administer the machine? Thanks, Marcelo From mmtsales at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 18:01:49 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:01:49 -0300 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910051338.19515.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <200910051338.19515.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <200910051501.49374.mmtsales@gmail.com> Em Segunda-feira 05 Outubro 2009, Bruce Marshall escreveu: > On Monday 05 October 2009, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but > > all of them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you > > to configure an user as an administrator. > > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no > > such an option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > > Why not use root? > > sudo passwd root > > > Hi, Bruce Thank you for your suggestion. I'll do that if I can't make it work using sudo. Thanks, Marcelo From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 20:27:30 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:27:30 +0200 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910051454.48777.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <200910051454.48777.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > Em Segunda-feira 05 Outubro 2009, Myriam Schweingruber escreveu: >> Hi Marcelo >> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 19:10, Marcelo Magno T. Sales > wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but >> > all of them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you >> > to configure an user as an administrator. >> > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no >> > such an option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? >> >> Well, first of all, you don't need to, since the first user >> automatically has sudo rights. >> >> You can work simply by starting the command line applications with >> 'sudo ', it will then ask for your password. The default >> timeout is set to 5 minutes. You can also start a konsole with 'sudo >> -i' to have a permanent root konsole, although this is not >> recommended. >> >> To start GUI applications you start those with 'kdesudo '. >> >> You can find more information about sudo in the manpages. >> >> If you still want to make a root account despite these possibilities, >> the proceedings are exactly the same as for Gnome, since the root >> account is independent of the GUI interface. > > Hi, Myriam, thanks for your response. > > I know about sudo, but I need two user accounts who are able to > administer this machine. If possible, I would prefer they do not share > one account to perform administrative tasks. > I have also read that I could activate the root account by setting up a > password to it with passwd, but I think that the Ubuntu way (using sudo) > is better. > However, the gnome user manager has an option in the GUI that allows me > to create an user account and set it up as and administrator using only > the GUI, without the need to edit /etc/sudoers directly. > I was wondering if wasn't there a way to do the same with the GUI tools > provided with Kubuntu. I see that, in /etc/sudoers, there is the > following line: > %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL > > My understanding is that members of the admin group are able to > administer the machine using sudo. Is that right? Is it enough to make a > user a member of this group if I want he/she to be able to administer > the machine? If you want a user to be able to gain root privileges with sudo that's the way. You also has a group adm that can read the logs. You can also use sudo to make a user able to only run a special command. There is some examples in the sudoers manual. / Jonas From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 20:53:15 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:53:15 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <200910051131.20799.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <035113685186463AA14B84F1A7E1BBBB@dp2000xp> <200910051131.20799.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1254775995.4033.15.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 11:31 +0100, Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Monday 05 Oct 2009 02:03:23 tortise at paradise.net.nz wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ric Moore" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:07 PM > > Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff > > > > > > I notice my monitor kinda grey-ing out every so often. I'm hoping I > > don't have to replace this monster Dell and was wondering if some of the > > laptop stuff that seems to be loaded will try to dim the display for > > power saving measures. I am plugged into the wall for juice ...not a > > battery in sight. > > > > Whatever bad juju I had in my mouse seems to have climbed into my > > monitor. I can't find a chicken foot to wave at it, so I figured to > > ask. :) Ric > > > > =================== > > > > I'd try jiggling (try both ends - common problem) or replacing the cable between them as a start to see if its a cable issue. > > Following that it is likely to be a monitor issue. (Finally a notebook issue - seems the least likely explanation to me) Do let > > us know. > > > > If moving the mouse around brings it back to life then it might well > be powersaving - in which case you can look in Power Management in the > System Settings to find it. But I think it's unlikely. Definitely try > jiggling or even replacing the cable, I've had a few go wrong with > age. However the bad news is that 'greying out' is often the sign of a > Trinitron that is about to lose the magic smoke that makes it work. > The usual technical solution to this is to apply sharp percussive > maintenance on the perimiter of the enclosure (i.e. give it a good > hard slap on one side).... sometimes it works. Sometimes it makes bits > fall off. But it's fun anyway :) > > Mark, There has to be some power saving thing going on that ain't right. I can crank up Sauerbraten and quit, the display is perfect. Nice and crisp. Then I go into evolution and the display fades, ...just a touch. Enough to be noticeable. Enough to be irritating. Of course, Karmic is very much Beta, but I would like to figure out which package to bring to someone's attention. In the KDEsetup thingie, I have power saving set to off. I just deleted every Xorg driver that ain't nVidia. Then I deleted those and used the driver straight from Nvidia. I deleted every package that claims to be a laptop power saver/battery watchdog. No diff, I still get a touch of "fog". But, it cleans right up after an OpenGL game. Weird. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 20:57:44 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:57:44 -0400 Subject: Shared calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1254776264.4033.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:02 +0200, Alvin wrote: > At the moment, I'm sharing my calendar with myself, using Akonadi. The > Calendar is an .ics file, residing on an sftp server. My office pc and > home pc both use Akonadi to edit the .ics file. > > So far, this has worked well. Sometimes, the calendars do not seem to be > in sync, but lately this system seems to be more stable. > > Now, I do not trust this to edit the calendar from both computers at the > same time. After all, Akonadi is made for single users. So, how do I > extend this? I want my wife to be able to see and edit the agenda. What > would be the best way to work together? (She uses Evolution, but that can > be changed.) > Do I need a Caldav server, do I need Kolab, eGroupware? What's the > (K)Ubuntu preferred way to do this? Should she just have another calendar > and mail me the appointments? Do I need to look at Google calendar? I tried Kolab which drug in a bunch of mono. I'm working on getting egroupware working, and man is that a pain to get configured. It has everything but the kitchen sink in there. It's promising though. I use the KDE organizer as well, and I like that quite a bit. You do not lack for choices, that's for sure. :) Ric From kassube at gmx.net Mon Oct 5 21:11:50 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:11:50 +0200 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254775995.4033.15.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910051131.20799.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254775995.4033.15.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910052311.50704.kassube@gmx.net> Ric Moore wrote: > There has to be some power saving thing going on that ain't right. I > can crank up Sauerbraten and quit, the display is perfect. Nice and > crisp. Then I go into evolution and the display fades, ...just a > touch. Enough to be noticeable. Enough to be irritating. That reminds me of desktop effects, not a power saving thing - because it wouldn't save any power. Nils From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 21:28:35 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:28:35 +0200 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <200910052311.50704.kassube@gmx.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910051131.20799.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254775995.4033.15.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910052311.50704.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <880dece00910051428s67359484s38c0d830d33e8d7c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/5 Nils Kassube : > Ric Moore wrote: >> There has to be some power saving thing going on that ain't right. I >> can crank up Sauerbraten and quit, the display is perfect. Nice and >> crisp. Then I go into evolution and the display fades, ...just a >> touch. Enough to be noticeable. Enough to be irritating. > > That reminds me of desktop effects, not a power saving thing - because > it wouldn't save any power. > > My thoughts exactly: desktop effects, not a screen dimmer. On LCD screens there is an actual backlight to dim. Not so on CRTs, where the electrons hitting the phosphors make the light. I would have expected Gene to mention as much. Check the desktop effects. And try running an older, stable LiveCD. That should help rule out hardware. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Mon Oct 5 22:18:32 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:18:32 -0400 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910051818.32548.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Monday 05 October 2009 01:10:02 pm Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > Hello, > > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but all of > them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you to > configure an user as an administrator. > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no such an > option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > > Thanks, > > Marcelo > I just made a computer for four kids in Sri Lanka and had no problem adding them to the 'admin' group. The KDE user manager you are talking about is KUser, right? You probably already have the user created so open up KUser, highlight the user then click the edit icon on the top of the window. Under the groups tab in the new window, scroll down until you get to the 'admin' group and check that, Click the OK button, exit KUser and now that user can do updates and such. -- Alan "I don’t know how, but Microsoft managed to break ASCII text files. That’s an achievement." http://www.psy-q.ch/blog/ From dave at thefletchers.net Mon Oct 5 22:20:50 2009 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:20:50 +0100 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910052320.58032.dave@thefletchers.net> On Monday 05 Oct 2009, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > Hello, > > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but all of > them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you to > configure an user as an administrator. > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no such an > option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > > Thanks, > > Marcelo > In /etc/group there's a line that starts with admin: I just added myself to that line, which gave me sudo privileges. Will that do? 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Maybe you first need to push > the little 'up arrow' thing (top right) to make the notification window > bigger and then you'll see all the controls. > > Mark > > On Monday 05 Oct 2009 00:06:54 Paul Lemmons wrote: > > Paul Lemmons wrote: > > > Ok..I like what they have done with the little info area; where > > > informative messages popup from, keeping you in the know. Much better > > > than before when the messages would pop up and then instantly > > > disappear, never to be seen again.That said, I think they may have > > > gone a little bit too far (or not far enough, depending on how you > > > look at it). > > > > > > I was uploading a large file to an FTP site today using dolphin. It > > > used to be that there was a dialog box that appeared showing progress > > > and, more relevent to this discussion, a cancel button. When I dragged > > > my large file from my computer pane to the FTP pane it dutifully added > > > an entry to the info area letting me know I had 5 more hours to wait > > > for it to finish uploading and even showed me a progress bar. Cool so > > > far, except that I had dragged the wrong file over. Try as I might, I > > > could not find any way to tell it to stop, short of logging off and > > > back on. > > > > > > I am thinking that a little red X on that info/progress-meter would go > > > a long way towards making me happier than I already am with Karmic. > > > > Added bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/442654 > You could always take the sledgehammer approach. Type ps -A | grep ftp in a terminal to get the pid number and then type kill #### bye-bye ftp Here's an example using konsole instead of ftp alan at kirk:~$ ps -A | grep konsole 7735 ? 00:00:00 konsole alan at kirk:~$ kill 7735 -- Alan "I don’t know how, but Microsoft managed to break ASCII text files. 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I need acroread to see a secured pdf textbook for my class, nothing else supports that kind of @#$% DRM that I am forced to use. The package does not exist in the repository for karmic. I installed the acroread from jaunty and it works fine for me. I've only been using it for a few days though. You can change the medibuntu repository to jaunty, install it, then change it back to karmic or get the proper .deb package to install from here : http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/a/acroread/ The mozilla plugin and other stuff is in that directory too. I changed the repository to jaunty and installed it from the command line, both synaptic and kpackagekit were acting too flaky for me. -- Alan "I don’t know how, but Microsoft managed to break ASCII text files. That’s an achievement." http://www.psy-q.ch/blog/ From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 22:50:57 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:50:57 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <880dece00910051428s67359484s38c0d830d33e8d7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910051131.20799.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254775995.4033.15.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910052311.50704.kassube@gmx.net> <880dece00910051428s67359484s38c0d830d33e8d7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254783057.4033.28.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 23:28 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/10/5 Nils Kassube : > > Ric Moore wrote: > >> There has to be some power saving thing going on that ain't right. I > >> can crank up Sauerbraten and quit, the display is perfect. Nice and > >> crisp. Then I go into evolution and the display fades, ...just a > >> touch. Enough to be noticeable. Enough to be irritating. > > > > That reminds me of desktop effects, not a power saving thing - because > > it wouldn't save any power. > > > > > > My thoughts exactly: desktop effects, not a screen dimmer. On LCD > screens there is an actual backlight to dim. Not so on CRTs, where the > electrons hitting the phosphors make the light. I would have expected > Gene to mention as much. > > Check the desktop effects. And try running an older, stable LiveCD. > That should help rule out hardware. OK, went into KDE setup and under "advanced" I found "Power Management" and several of the levels were set to dim the display after 1 minute of being idle. I unchecked that box on all the levels. We'll see what happens. Sometimes I miss the good ole days when you had to burn a kernel to get X11 at all. Then someone came up with the bright idea of "modules" and it all went to heck. Ric From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 23:02:09 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:02:09 +0200 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254783057.4033.28.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910051131.20799.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254775995.4033.15.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910052311.50704.kassube@gmx.net> <880dece00910051428s67359484s38c0d830d33e8d7c@mail.gmail.com> <1254783057.4033.28.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <880dece00910051602va78890at37dd51981bd3adb8@mail.gmail.com> > OK, went into KDE setup and under "advanced" I found "Power Management" > and several of the levels were set to dim the display after 1 minute of > being idle. I unchecked that box on all the levels. We'll see what > happens. > I think that's only relevant for monitors with a backlight to dim: LCDs. > Sometimes I miss the good ole days when you had to burn a kernel to get > X11 at all. Then someone came up with the bright idea of "modules" and > it all went to heck. Ric > I will quietly leave your lawn now... -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 23:15:23 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:15:23 -0400 Subject: Karmic: mozilla-acroread In-Reply-To: <200910051839.56953.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> References: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> <200910051839.56953.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <1254784523.4033.35.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 18:39 -0400, Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/a/acroread/ > The mozilla plugin and other stuff is in that directory too. > > I changed the repository to jaunty and installed it from the command line, > both synaptic and kpackagekit were acting too flaky for me. > > -- > Alan I take it that we need one of each of the packages, and the version 8.1.3 would be the ones to grab and our platform (i386 / amd64) ?? Thanks! Ric From mmtsales at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 00:05:43 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:05:43 -0300 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? [solved] In-Reply-To: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910052105.44180.mmtsales@gmail.com> The problem was solved by adding the user to the admin group, as many have suggested. Thanks for all who helped, Marcelo Em Segunda-feira 05 Outubro 2009, Marcelo Magno T. Sales escreveu: > Hello, > > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but all > of them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you to > configure an user as an administrator. > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no such > an option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > > Thanks, > > Marcelo From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Tue Oct 6 00:11:35 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:11:35 +0800 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <1254783057.4033.28.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910051131.20799.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <1254775995.4033.15.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910052311.50704.kassube@gmx.net> <880dece00910051428s67359484s38c0d830d33e8d7c@mail.gmail.com> <1254783057.4033.28.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4ACA8B37.4060304@bradbury.edu.hk> > Sometimes I miss the good ole days when you had to burn a kernel to get > X11 at all. Then someone came up with the bright idea of "modules" and > it all went to heck. Ric > > > ?!?!?!? When did you ever have to use the kernel framebuffer to get X support?! I, for one, am glad that X has been broken into pieces. There was a market for commercial X servers because of the er...whatever of Xfree86. You won't have any of the stuff we enjoy now had not there been a fork from Xfree86. You can still get your big monolithic Xserver if you want...replace Xorg with Xfree86 if you want. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Oct 6 01:28:19 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:28:19 -0400 Subject: CRT monitors VS Laptop stuff In-Reply-To: <880dece00910051428s67359484s38c0d830d33e8d7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1254701261.21757.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910052311.50704.kassube@gmx.net> <880dece00910051428s67359484s38c0d830d33e8d7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910052128.19525.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 05 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: >2009/10/5 Nils Kassube : >> Ric Moore wrote: >>> There has to be some power saving thing going on that ain't right. I >>> can crank up Sauerbraten and quit, the display is perfect. Nice and >>> crisp. Then I go into evolution and the display fades, ...just a >>> touch. Enough to be noticeable. Enough to be irritating. >> >> That reminds me of desktop effects, not a power saving thing - because >> it wouldn't save any power. > >My thoughts exactly: desktop effects, not a screen dimmer. On LCD >screens there is an actual backlight to dim. Not so on CRTs, where the >electrons hitting the phosphors make the light. I would have expected >Gene to mention as much. Since I don't use them to any great extent, it slipped my mind, whats left of it that is. >Check the desktop effects. And try running an older, stable LiveCD. >That should help rule out hardware. Good advice. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. He who hates vices hates mankind. From paul at lemmons.name Tue Oct 6 01:30:50 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:30:50 -0700 Subject: Canceling a "job" In-Reply-To: <200910051120.58334.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <4AC92619.8050506@lemmons.name> <4AC92A8E.4050203@lemmons.name> <200910051120.58334.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4ACA9DCA.4080206@lemmons.name> Wadda-ya know... there it is. Never even considered clicking on the arrow pointing down to the line. Did not even think it was clickable. Thank you very much!... I am getting happier by the day :) Mark Greenwood wrote: > On mine FTP, and indeed every other "job", has a 'stop' buton (a small square) and even a pause button - top right. Maybe you first need to push the little 'up arrow' thing (top right) to make the notification window bigger and then you'll see all the controls. > > Mark > > On Monday 05 Oct 2009 00:06:54 Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> Paul Lemmons wrote: >> >>> >>> I am thinking that a little red X on that info/progress-meter would go >>> a long way towards making me happier than I already am with Karmic. >>> >> Added bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/442654 >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 05:21:17 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:21:17 -0400 Subject: Kaddressbook problem Message-ID: <1254806477.14809.55.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Kadddress book shows I have 1,643 records in it. When I export a cvs file from it and import it into OO-spreadsheet I have 1,406 records. Anyone have a clue?? I'm looking bad here! Not that I need a lot of help. :) Ric From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 07:02:13 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:02:13 +0200 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910052320.58032.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <200910052320.58032.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: The GUI or Graphical User's Interface is just a layer on top of the CLI or Command Line Interface. The graphics are great for making the system easy to use but to really understand why the GUI is the why the GUI is you will do well to understand the CLI commands. There is a free book called Rutebook that you can install but you can also read it here. http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz This chapter of the rutebook has all the details about this threads subject. http://rute.2038bug.com/node14.html.gz#chap:useraccounts The basic answer to this question is that each user belongs to groups and each group has commands it can use. You must have your user join the group with the rights to use sudo. I think that is admin. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 07:12:38 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:12:38 +0200 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <200910052320.58032.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Knapp wrote: > The GUI or Graphical User's Interface is just a layer on top of the > CLI or Command Line Interface. The graphics are great for making the > system easy to use but to really understand why the GUI is the why the > GUI is you will do well to understand the CLI commands. > > There is a free book called Rutebook that you can install but you can > also read it here. > http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz > > This chapter of the rutebook has all the details about this threads subject. > http://rute.2038bug.com/node14.html.gz#chap:useraccounts > > The basic answer to this question is that each user belongs to groups > and each group has commands it can use. You must have your user join > the group with the rights to use sudo.  I think that is admin. I just forgot, I wanted to add something. The SUDOers file is not something you want to change or play with for this problem. It is, howerver, fun to look at it and read the manual page for it (ever see so much nerd gargon in on place??). I have mine set up so that it insults me when I type the password incorrectly. Take a look this feature is easy to turn on. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 07:24:00 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:24:00 +0700 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910052320.58032.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <200910052320.58032.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <9844155d0910060024w16abe40fh27893a676d855fb5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:20 AM, David Fletcher wrote: > > In /etc/group there's a line that starts with admin: > > I just added myself to that line, which gave me sudo privileges. Will that do? > > Dave I think it is better to add to admin using proper command instead of editting /etc/group: sudo usermod -a -G admin username DK From info at alvin.be Tue Oct 6 07:54:06 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:54:06 +0200 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910052320.58032.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <200910052320.58032.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <200910060954.07818.info@alvin.be> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 00:20:50 David Fletcher wrote: > On Monday 05 Oct 2009, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've read some articles about creating superusers in Ubuntu, but all of > > them rely on an option in Gnome User Manager that allows you to > > configure an user as an administrator. > > In KDE User Manager, the available tool in Kubuntu, there is no such an > > option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > > > In /etc/group there's a line that starts with admin: > > I just added myself to that line, which gave me sudo privileges. Will that > do? That is the good old-fashioned way, yes. Not the safest, but you can check if your /etc/group file is ok with the following command: # grpck (or $ sudo grpck of course) From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Oct 6 08:20:09 2009 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:20:09 +0100 Subject: Staying with Hardy Message-ID: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably not work. Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? Thoughts anyone? Thanks Neil From info at alvin.be Tue Oct 6 09:12:59 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:12:59 +0200 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200910061113.00480.info@alvin.be> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 10:20:09 Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new > version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how > I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with > konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can > take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably > not work. > > Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the > implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some > updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? > > Thoughts anyone? There was a short discussion on the list recently: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2009-August/045984.html Basically, you will still receive patches for the Ubuntu part, but not for KDE, because Kubuntu does not have LTS releases. A real shame if you ask me. Currently, there is no enterprise class linux with a KDE desktop, while I personally prefer KDE for business desktops. I do think you will be able to upgrade to 10.04 next year because upgrades between LTS releases are supported. From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 09:14:56 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:14:56 +0700 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: <9844155d0910060214kcf2f06cj6909de07b855cc02@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new > version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how > I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with > konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can > take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably > not work. > > Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the > implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some > updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? > > Thoughts anyone? You could stay with Hardy (LTS) for 3 years: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS DK From myriam at kubuntu.org Tue Oct 6 09:45:14 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:45:14 +0200 Subject: Shared calendar In-Reply-To: <1254776264.4033.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254776264.4033.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: Hi RIc, On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 22:57, Ric Moore wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:02 +0200, Alvin wrote: ... >> Do I need a Caldav server, do I need Kolab, eGroupware? What's the >> (K)Ubuntu preferred way to do this? Should she just have another calendar >> and mail me the appointments? Do I need to look at Google calendar? > > I tried Kolab which drug in a bunch of mono. I really wonder how this is possible, as kolab relies on nothing related to mono: aptitude show kolabd [quote] Package: kolabd State: not installed Version: 2.2.0-20080709.dfsg-2 Priority: optional Section: universe/mail Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers Uncompressed Size: 549k Depends: perl, libnet-netmask-perl, libmail-box-perl, libterm-readkey-perl, libterm-readline-gnu-perl, postfix (>= 2.4), postfix-ldap (>= 2.4), sasl2-bin, libsasl2-modules, libkolab-perl (>= 1:2.2.0-2), kolab-cyrus-admin, kolab-cyrus-clients, kolab-cyrus-imapd, kolab-cyrus-pop3d, kolabconf (>= 2.2.0-2), kolab-filter, kolab-freebusy, adduser, lsb-base (>= 3.0-3) Recommends: slapd, ldap-utils Suggests: openssl, db4.2-util, kolab-webadmin, amavisd-new Description: groupware server Kolab is a secure, scalable, and reliable groupware server. It consists of a number of well-known and proven components for the standard tasks such as e-mail, directory service, and web service. Kolab adds intelligent interaction between the components, a web administration interface, management of free/busy lists, etc. Various clients can access Kolab, among them Kontact (KDE), Outlook (Windows), and Horde (web). This package contains the groupware server program, the LDAP gateway daemon, as well as the dependencies and documentation to run Kolab. Homepage: http://www.kolab.org/ [/quote] I know quite a few kolab developers, and they told me that, unless there is a dependency error made by Kubuntu or Ubuntu packagers, this is simply not possible. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From almilis at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 10:40:47 2009 From: almilis at gmail.com (Ali Milis) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:40:47 +0700 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> >> option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > Well, first of all, you don't need to, since the first user > automatically has sudo rights. Really? What to do if the system crashes and it asks for root password when booting? -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ Ubuntu User # 14458 - http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ From info at alvin.be Tue Oct 6 10:44:50 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:44:50 +0200 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910061244.54764.info@alvin.be> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 12:40:47 Ali Milis wrote: > >> option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? > > > > Well, first of all, you don't need to, since the first user > > automatically has sudo rights. > > Really? > What to do if the system crashes and it asks for > root password when booting? Have you tried booting to the recovery console? You will automatically become root. No password will be asked. From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 10:54:11 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:54:11 +0700 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9844155d0910060354h287b6013xc8bad31130495cf7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Ali Milis wrote: > Really? > What to do if the system crashes and it asks for > root password when booting? The first user password could do the job, if it is not removed from admin yet. DK From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 11:07:02 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:07:02 +0200 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <200910061244.54764.info@alvin.be> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> <200910061244.54764.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <4ACB24D6.1030305@gmail.com> Alvin wrote: > On Tuesday 06 October 2009 12:40:47 Ali Milis wrote: >>>> option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? >>> Well, first of all, you don't need to, since the first user >>> automatically has sudo rights. >> Really? >> What to do if the system crashes and it asks for >> root password when booting? > > Have you tried booting to the recovery console? You will automatically become > root. No password will be asked. > I have always thought of this as a big security hole actually - but it works for sure From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Tue Oct 6 11:10:35 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:10:35 +0800 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> Surely there must be others who encountered this bug seeing that there is a similar if not identical bug report but with different hardware! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/367053 Maybe it is not in the actual driver modules anymore but in Xorg. Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Hello all, > > Just need some help in verifying where a reproducible bug is. > > > I will just post what I have encountered and I expect the majority of > you to not have the same problem unless you have the same hardware I > have got. > > > 1) Install Kubuntu Jaunty and update to the latest packages and install > and enable sshd. Boot latest kernel. > > > 2) Login. Logout. Login. Logout. Screen now goes blank, keyboard does > not respond anymore, ctrl+alt+backspace does not kill X. > > 3) ssh into box. 'sudo killall -HUP kdm' to 'resolve' blank screen after > second logout attempt. Login screen should now appear. > > Those interested in the kdm log, please go here: > http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m41dbc365 > > VGA chip in question: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA > Technologies, Inc. KM400/KN400/P4M800 [S3 UniChrome] (rev 01) > > > Please do post back if you get the same problem but with different > hardware/driver otherwise I will assume that this is an openchrome bug. > > Thanks > > From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 11:23:02 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:23:02 +0200 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <4ACB24D6.1030305@gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> <200910061244.54764.info@alvin.be> <4ACB24D6.1030305@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > Alvin wrote: >> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 12:40:47 Ali Milis wrote: >>>>> option. How do I create a superuser in Kubuntu? >>>> Well, first of all, you don't need to, since the first user >>>> automatically has sudo rights. >>> Really? >>> What to do if the system crashes and it asks for >>> root password when booting? >> >> Have you tried booting to the recovery console? You will automatically become >> root. No password will be asked. >> > I have always thought of this as a big security hole actually - but it > works for sure How would you do it? What if the SU loose the password? What someone boots with a live disk? The one way I know of to keep your data secure is to encrypt it at the disk level. http://oei.yungchin.nl/2008/04/23/installing-ubuntu-804-with-full-disk-encryption/ -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Tue Oct 6 13:16:24 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:16:24 -0400 Subject: Karmic: mozilla-acroread In-Reply-To: <1254784523.4033.35.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AC7F026.1070906@lemmons.name> <200910051839.56953.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> <1254784523.4033.35.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910060916.24265.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Monday 05 October 2009 07:15:23 pm Ric Moore wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 18:39 -0400, Alan Dacey Sr. wrote: > > http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/a/acroread/ > > The mozilla plugin and other stuff is in that directory too. > > > > I changed the repository to jaunty and installed it from the command > > line, both synaptic and kpackagekit were acting too flaky for me. > > I take it that we need one of each of the packages, and the version > 8.1.3 would be the ones to grab and our platform (i386 / amd64) ?? > Thanks! Ric > Looking at what's in there I would say get the 8.1.3 for either i386 (23 bit) or amd64 (64 bit). I just checked /var/cache/apt/archives and see that i pulled in "acroread_9.1.0-7jaunty2_i386.deb". Where could this have come from? -- Alan "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Oct 6 13:28:44 2009 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:28:44 +0200 Subject: acer aspire sound problem In-Reply-To: References: <200910011505.22729.fluca1978@infinito.it> Message-ID: <200910061528.44258.fluca1978@infinito.it> On Thursday 01 October 2009 06:20:55 pm Frans Ketelaars's cat walking on the keyboard wrote: > I found this (google -> site:www.alsa-project.org/ acer aspire 6935): > http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Changes_v1.0.20_v1.0.21 which > says: "ALSA: hda - Add quirk for Acer Aspire 6935", so it seems the ALSA > team got it working properly in the new 1.0.21 ALSA version released Installing the last alsa driver worked and now my system can play audio! Thanks, Luca From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Oct 6 14:15:41 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:15:41 -0500 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: <4ACB510D.4060803@swbell.net> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new > version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how > I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with > konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can > take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably > not work. > > Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the > implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some > updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? > > Thoughts anyone? > > Thanks > > Neil > > As has been said you will get updates the the underlying Ubuntu. It's kind of funny that you wrote this. Last December I had installed 8.10 to play around with but wasn't terribly impressed when all of a sudden my, much loved, 8.04 wouldn't boot for some reason. I was upset but decided that since I had 8.10 installed and more or less setup and working I could carry on till I got around to fixing 8.04. One thing lead to another and I never quite got around to fixing 8.04 [ Life is what happens while your busy making other plans. ] Last night I got this silly idea to play around with the innards of the box. When I restarted the computer all that would boot was 8.04 [ or Windows ]. I don't know what happened but............. Anyway, to get to the point. After being forced into changing to KDE 4.x and all of a sudden being pushed back to KDE 3.x, KDE 3.x seemed kind of "clunky". I was happy that my 8.04 came back but even happier to get my boot-up back to using 9.04/4.2.4. Neil, I would suggest either setting up another computer to run 9.10 or finding a way to setup 9.10 on another hard drive or partition on your computer to play with. You can use 8.04 for everything but have 9.10 for when you have some time to play around. I can't know how you use your computer but for as much grumping and grousing as I have done about KDE 4.x I now find that I quite like it. Not having to rely on the newer version and having time to piddle with it you might just discover it works pretty darned good for most things [ at least in my experience - YMMV ]. I guess it kind of falls into the category of wishing for the "good ol' days" that if we had to go back and live might not be quite so good as we remember. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away Sent with Thunderbird on my Kubuntu Linux Desktop From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 14:48:09 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:48:09 +0200 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <200910061113.00480.info@alvin.be> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <200910061113.00480.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <4ACB58A9.2070204@gmail.com> Alvin wrote: > On Tuesday 06 October 2009 10:20:09 Neil Winchurst wrote: >> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new >> version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how >> I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with >> konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can >> take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably >> not work. >> >> Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the >> implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some >> updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? >> >> Thoughts anyone? > > There was a short discussion on the list recently: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2009-August/045984.html > > Basically, you will still receive patches for the Ubuntu part, but not for > KDE, because Kubuntu does not have LTS releases. > A real shame if you ask me. Currently, there is no enterprise class linux with > a KDE desktop, while I personally prefer KDE for business desktops. > > I do think you will be able to upgrade to 10.04 next year because upgrades > between LTS releases are supported. > As it is not much is done about KDE 3.5 in terms of upgrades, I have just hit the first "this will not be fixed"-problem . Since some days you can no longer connect to Yahoo Messenger from Kopete (can be avoided by installing Pidgin I guess) and the message is "it is working in KDE4 and will not be fixed in KDE 3.5" I think the time to move has come, I am using the Beta of Karmic 9.10 in a virtualbox and it is so far rather problem free. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Oct 6 15:12:33 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:12:33 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200910061112.33952.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the > implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some > updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? > If you're happy, stay with it... but I think you're going to be missing all of the new features that each version brings.... I really don't see why you think moving to a new version is such a chore... I just moved from jaunty to karmic (fresh install and then reconfigure) and it probably took me a half a day. And..... if you have the disk space, why not make new '/' and '/boot' partitions for karmic and make an install but keep your old partitions? That way you can try the new version but still boot the old. (in your case, I would also make a copy of /home too. Too many changes between hardy and karmic to be able to boot both versions.) I always do fresh installs and usually start with the first beta. When I installed karmic a day ago, I was just going to take a look at it to see if I wanted to use it now, or wait until the final. Once I booted it, I never looked back. Haven't booted jaunty since. And one advantage of having both sets of partitions available is that you can go look at files on the hardy system for doing the reconfigure. Your choice. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Oct 6 15:27:01 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:27:01 -0400 Subject: Kaddressbook problem In-Reply-To: <1254806477.14809.55.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254806477.14809.55.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910061127.01809.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: > Kadddress book shows I have 1,643 records in it. When I export a cvs > file from it and import it into OO-spreadsheet I have 1,406 records. > Anyone have a clue?? I'm looking bad here! Not that I need a lot of > help. :) Ric > If you're looking for the reason for the difference in record count, could this be due to the usual 'hole' that is left in flat files when a record gets deleted or expanded?? That is, the extra records are no longer valid? From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 6 15:34:26 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:34:26 -0300 Subject: Staying with Hardy References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <9844155d0910060214kcf2f06cj6909de07b855cc02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> David Kuntadi wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: >> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new >> version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how >> I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with >> konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can >> take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably >> not work. >> >> Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the >> implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some >> updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? >> >> Thoughts anyone? > > You could stay with Hardy (LTS) for 3 years: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS Except Kubuntu wasn't an LTS, and the KDE packages reach end-of-life at 18 months. -- derek From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Tue Oct 6 16:39:24 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:39:24 +0100 Subject: Hardy to Jaunty Message-ID: <200910061739.24304.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Just completed the upgrade from Hardy to Jaunty (I know we're almost at Karmic, but I wanted to be sure KDE4 was working OK first) and all seems to be OK. One thing that's annoying me at the moment though, the icons for new messages in Kontact's summary view are just question marks. How do I get the proper icons back? -- |\ /| ark Fraser /mark at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk | \/ | Somerset /Using Kmail on Kubuntu Hardy Heron | |___________/You know what the sig means! Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 16:39:19 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:39:19 -0400 Subject: Kaddressbook problem In-Reply-To: <200910061127.01809.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <1254806477.14809.55.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910061127.01809.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <1254847159.2630.6.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 11:27 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: > > Kadddress book shows I have 1,643 records in it. When I export a cvs > > file from it and import it into OO-spreadsheet I have 1,406 records. > > Anyone have a clue?? I'm looking bad here! Not that I need a lot of > > help. :) Ric > > > > If you're looking for the reason for the difference in record count, could > this be due to the usual 'hole' that is left in flat files when a record gets > deleted or expanded?? That is, the extra records are no longer valid? > Maybe ..,. I wuz congratulating our non-profit for hitting the 1,600 member mark and now I better scrounge up another 200 so I don't look like an idiot. I would like to think, that in this day and age, that it would have a bit of housekeeping routines to rid deleted record holes in the file though. Owell, I was hoping there was something else wrong. Ric From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 17:07:18 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:07:18 +0200 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <9844155d0910060214kcf2f06cj6909de07b855cc02@mail.gmail.com> <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > David Kuntadi wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: >>> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new >>> version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how >>> I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with >>> konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can >>> take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably >>> not work. >>> >>> Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the >>> implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some >>> updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? >>> >>> Thoughts anyone? >> >> You could stay with Hardy (LTS) for 3 years: >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS > > Except Kubuntu wasn't an LTS, and the KDE packages reach end-of-life at 18 > months. > -- > derek I have been sticking with 8.04 because I don't like kde 4 much. Problem is that most of 8.04, the under parts (libs), are getting old and don't work well with really up to date software like from an SVN. Things are moving. KDE 3 -> KDE 4, Python 2 to Python 3, Ext 3 to Ext 4, Grub 1 to Grub 2, VLC to VLC 1.? and LOTS of others like; Blender 3d 2.5, Inkscape .47 (will this be in 9.10) and more. Thus, I think I will at last be forced to upgrade. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Oct 6 17:36:42 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:36:42 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <200910061336.42259.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Knapp wrote: > I have been sticking with 8.04 because I don't like kde 4 much. > Problem is that most of 8.04, the under parts (libs), are getting old > and don't work well with really up to date software like from an SVN. > Things are moving. KDE 3 -> KDE 4, Python 2 to Python 3, Ext 3 to Ext > 4, Grub 1 to Grub 2, VLC to VLC 1.? and LOTS of others like; Blender > 3d 2.5, Inkscape .47 (will this be in 9.10) and more. Thus, I think I > will at last be forced to upgrade. > I've been running XFCE as an alternative to KDE4. Works like a charm. From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 17:45:41 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:45:41 -0400 Subject: Shared calendar In-Reply-To: References: <1254776264.4033.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <1254851141.2630.27.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 11:45 +0200, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi RIc, > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 22:57, Ric Moore wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:02 +0200, Alvin wrote: > ... > >> Do I need a Caldav server, do I need Kolab, eGroupware? What's the > >> (K)Ubuntu preferred way to do this? Should she just have another calendar > >> and mail me the appointments? Do I need to look at Google calendar? > > > > I tried Kolab which drug in a bunch of mono. > > I really wonder how this is possible, as kolab relies on nothing > related to mono: > > aptitude show kolabd > [quote] > Package: kolabd > State: not installed > Version: 2.2.0-20080709.dfsg-2 > Priority: optional > Section: universe/mail > Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers > Uncompressed Size: 549k > Depends: perl, libnet-netmask-perl, libmail-box-perl, > libterm-readkey-perl, libterm-readline-gnu-perl, postfix (>= 2.4), > postfix-ldap (>= 2.4), sasl2-bin, libsasl2-modules, libkolab-perl (>= > 1:2.2.0-2), kolab-cyrus-admin, > kolab-cyrus-clients, kolab-cyrus-imapd, kolab-cyrus-pop3d, > kolabconf (>= 2.2.0-2), kolab-filter, kolab-freebusy, adduser, > lsb-base (>= 3.0-3) > Recommends: slapd, ldap-utils > Suggests: openssl, db4.2-util, kolab-webadmin, amavisd-new > Description: groupware server > Kolab is a secure, scalable, and reliable groupware server. It > consists of a number of well-known and proven components for the > standard tasks such as e-mail, directory service, and web service. > Kolab adds intelligent interaction > between the components, a web administration interface, management of > free/busy lists, etc. Various clients can access Kolab, among them > Kontact (KDE), Outlook (Windows), and Horde (web). > > This package contains the groupware server program, the LDAP gateway > daemon, as well as the dependencies and documentation to run Kolab. > Homepage: http://www.kolab.org/ > [/quote] > > I know quite a few kolab developers, and they told me that, unless > there is a dependency error made by Kubuntu or Ubuntu packagers, this > is simply not possible. > > > Regards, Myriam I'll have to give it another shot, as that had me scratching my head when I first installed it. I generally don't do mono. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 17:48:40 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:48:40 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <9844155d0910060214kcf2f06cj6909de07b855cc02@mail.gmail.com> <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <1254851320.2630.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 19:07 +0200, Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > > David Kuntadi wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > >>> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new > >>> version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how > >>> I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with > >>> konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can > >>> take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably > >>> not work. > >>> > >>> Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the > >>> implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some > >>> updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? > >>> > >>> Thoughts anyone? > >> > >> You could stay with Hardy (LTS) for 3 years: > >> > >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS > > > > Except Kubuntu wasn't an LTS, and the KDE packages reach end-of-life at 18 > > months. > > -- > > derek > > I have been sticking with 8.04 because I don't like kde 4 much. > Problem is that most of 8.04, the under parts (libs), are getting old > and don't work well with really up to date software like from an SVN. > Things are moving. KDE 3 -> KDE 4, Python 2 to Python 3, Ext 3 to Ext > 4, Grub 1 to Grub 2, VLC to VLC 1.? and LOTS of others like; Blender > 3d 2.5, Inkscape .47 (will this be in 9.10) and more. Thus, I think I > will at last be forced to upgrade. With Karmic I just set the Desktop to use the old style menu and it operates pretty much like KDE3. I have no beef with it now ...other than the old saw about pulseaudio and phoron all heaped between me and alsa. I just unloaded the packages that wouldn't rip out the rest of my install and I'm happy as a clam. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 17:50:02 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:50:02 -0400 Subject: Hardy to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <200910061739.24304.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200910061739.24304.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <1254851402.2630.30.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 17:39 +0100, Mark Fraser wrote: > Just completed the upgrade from Hardy to Jaunty (I know we're almost at > Karmic, but I wanted to be sure KDE4 was working OK first) and all seems to be > OK. > > One thing that's annoying me at the moment though, the icons for new messages > in Kontact's summary view are just question marks. How do I get the proper > icons back? right-click on the icon and set the icon to whatever one suits you best. Kinda like old-school KDE3. Enjoy! Ric From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Tue Oct 6 18:07:02 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:07:02 +0100 Subject: Hardy to Jaunty Message-ID: <200910061907.02935.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Tuesday 06 Oct 2009 18:50:02 Ric Moore wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 17:39 +0100, Mark Fraser wrote: > > Just completed the upgrade from Hardy to Jaunty (I know we're almost at > > Karmic, but I wanted to be sure KDE4 was working OK first) and all seems > > to be OK. > > > > One thing that's annoying me at the moment though, the icons for new > > messages in Kontact's summary view are just question marks. How do I get > > the proper icons back? > > right-click on the icon and set the icon to whatever one suits you best. > Kinda like old-school KDE3. Enjoy! Ric Thanks, but I've figured it out now. For some reason some of my folders had a custom icon (folder_open) for unread mail and that icon must no longer exist in KDE4. So simply removing all references to folder_open in kmailrc has got rid of all the ?s. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From magick.crow at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 19:45:18 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:45:18 +0200 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <1254851320.2630.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <9844155d0910060214kcf2f06cj6909de07b855cc02@mail.gmail.com> <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <1254851320.2630.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 19:07 +0200, Knapp wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> > David Kuntadi wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: >> >>> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new >> >>> version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how >> >>> I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with >> >>> konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can >> >>> take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably >> >>> not work. >> >>> >> >>> Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the >> >>> implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some >> >>> updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? >> >>> >> >>> Thoughts anyone? >> >> >> >> You could stay with Hardy (LTS) for 3 years: >> >> >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS >> > >> > Except Kubuntu wasn't an LTS, and the KDE packages reach end-of-life at 18 >> > months. >> > -- >> > derek >> >> I have been sticking with 8.04 because I don't like kde 4 much. >> Problem is that most of 8.04, the under parts (libs), are getting old >> and don't work well with really up to date software like from an SVN. >> Things are moving. KDE 3 -> KDE 4, Python 2 to Python 3, Ext 3 to Ext >> 4, Grub 1 to Grub 2, VLC to VLC 1.? and LOTS of others like; Blender >> 3d 2.5, Inkscape  .47 (will this be in 9.10) and more. Thus, I think I >> will at last be forced to upgrade. > > With Karmic I just set the Desktop to use the old style menu and it > operates pretty much like KDE3. I have no beef with it now ...other than > the old saw about pulseaudio and phoron all heaped between me and alsa. > I just unloaded the packages that wouldn't rip out the rest of my > install and I'm happy as a clam. Ric I don't mean to thread jack but what packages are those? I might need to know in a month. Why don't you like Pulseaudio and Phoron (whatever that is)? Just goggled Phonon, maybe that is why 8.10 can't play my DVDs but 8.04 can? Last time I tried to set KDE4 to use KDE 3 menus it was still short, as in did not go from the top to the bottom of my screen. Is it still that way? -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 19:49:32 2009 From: mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:49:32 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200910061549.32350.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 04:20:09 Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new > version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how > I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with > konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can > take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably > not work. > > Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the > implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some > updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? > > Thoughts anyone? > > Thanks > > Neil > I am with Hardy too, and I plan to stay there for at least the next year. If all you want of your system is working at your taste now, then it will continue to do so for long long time to go. You will not have new versions of softwares, (but you dont need it, since the actual one is working well for you). You will receive the Security updates for next 2 years. And all will work fine, stable, and secure. As it is working now. (yes there is the yahoo example given by another responder, but it depends on Yahoo changing a fully working protocol, for another one, and not the kopete program that stopped working. You are not immune to changes that other may do in their protocols. Even the last version of kubuntu is not immune, but will have to be fixed too.) -- Martin Laberge mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com mlsoftlaberge at hotmail.com Cell:(418)575-2945 *** 30 Years of Unix Admin, and still learning... *** From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 20:01:48 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:01:48 +0200 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <200910061549.32350.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <200910061549.32350.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: > On Tuesday 06 October 2009 04:20:09 Neil Winchurst wrote: >> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new >> version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how >> I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with >> konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can >> take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably >> not work. >> >> Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the >> implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some >> updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? >> >> Thoughts anyone? >> >> Thanks >> >> Neil >> > > I am with Hardy too, and I plan to stay there for at least the next year. > > If all you want of your system is working at your taste now, then it will > continue to do so for long long time to go. > > You will not have new versions of softwares, (but you dont need it, since > the actual one is working well for you). > > You will receive the Security updates for next 2 years. > > And all will work fine, stable, and secure. As it is working now. You cant say that it will be secure as you don't get any KDE security fixes. / Jonas From mdhirsch at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 23:28:06 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:28:06 -0600 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <9844155d0910060214kcf2f06cj6909de07b855cc02@mail.gmail.com> <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0910061628y85ae882hc9ad35541b5aca82@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: >> David Kuntadi wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: >>>> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new >>>> version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how >>>> I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with >>>> konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can >>>> take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably >>>> not work. >>>> >>>> Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the >>>> implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some >>>> updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? >>>> >>>> Thoughts anyone? >>> >>> You could stay with Hardy (LTS) for 3 years: >>> >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS >> >> Except Kubuntu wasn't an LTS, and the KDE packages reach end-of-life at 18 >> months. >> -- >> derek > > I have been sticking with 8.04 because I don't like kde 4 much. > Problem is that most of 8.04, the under parts (libs), are getting old > and don't work well with really up to date software like from an SVN. > Things are moving. KDE 3 -> KDE 4, Python 2 to Python 3, Ext 3 to Ext > 4, Grub 1 to Grub 2, VLC to VLC 1.? and LOTS of others like; Blender > 3d 2.5, Inkscape  .47 (will this be in 9.10) and more. Thus, I think I > will at last be forced to upgrade. I'm running Jaunty with KDE 3.5 and it works quite well. check out http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/ for instructions on using 3.5 with Hardy and Jaunty. I believe that the intention is to support Karmic as well. I'm now using 4.3 at work and 3.5 at home, but I may finally upgrade to 4.x when Karmic is released. Michael From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 00:15:34 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:15:34 +0700 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/367053 > > Maybe it is not in the actual driver modules anymore but in Xorg. UniChrome and ATI are kown to have problem with drivers, not Xorg. You could try to force it to use Vesa by editting your xorg.conf. DK From phantom21 at mindspring.com Wed Oct 7 00:22:57 2009 From: phantom21 at mindspring.com (Mark Halegua) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:22:57 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200910062022.58149.phantom21@mindspring.com> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 04:20:09 am Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new > version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how > I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with > konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can > take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably > not work. > > Neil > Neil, Just so you know, I've moved up to jaunty and still use konquerer for my file manager. One way to do that is remove dolphin. Another way is to change the parameters when calling konquerer so you have one icon calling it up as a file manager. Mark From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Wed Oct 7 00:59:41 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:59:41 +0800 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> David Kuntadi wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher > wrote: > >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/367053 >> >> Maybe it is not in the actual driver modules anymore but in Xorg. >> > > UniChrome and ATI are kown to have problem with drivers, not Xorg. You > could try to force it to use Vesa by editting your xorg.conf. > Right...so both open source drivers (openchrome here) have issues? Time to knock on openchrome's doors then. From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 01:16:24 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:16:24 +0700 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: > David Kuntadi wrote: > > Right...so both open source drivers (openchrome here) have issues? Time > to knock on openchrome's doors then. May be what you mean is unichrome. Openchrome is an opensource driver, trying to support VIA chipset. But from my experience, openchrome is more reliable compared to unichrome: http://www.openchrome.org/trac/wiki/About I have had a hard time with both card (VIA and ATI). For now I will stick to (onboard) intel graphic card, which is normally supported well in linux. So far I do not have any issue yet with intel graphic card. DK From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Wed Oct 7 01:26:53 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:26:53 +0800 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> David Kuntadi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Christopher Chan > wrote: > >> David Kuntadi wrote: >> >> Right...so both open source drivers (openchrome here) have issues? Time >> to knock on openchrome's doors then. >> > > May be what you mean is unichrome. Openchrome is an opensource driver, > trying to support VIA chipset. But from my experience, openchrome is > more reliable compared to unichrome: > > http://www.openchrome.org/trac/wiki/About > Nope. Jaunty installed openchrome. Also, since when do you file bugs in launchpad against proprietary drivers? > I have had a hard time with both card (VIA and ATI). For now I will > stick to (onboard) intel graphic card, which is normally supported > well in linux. So far I do not have any issue yet with intel graphic > card. Onboard VIA graphics here. From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 01:52:03 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:52:03 +0700 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: > Nope. Jaunty installed openchrome. Also, since when do you file bugs in > launchpad against proprietary drivers? Offcourse ubuntu would only ship opensource driver, the proprietary driver need to be downloaded separately. But the opensource people do not really know what is the real secret of the hardware, that is why the make closed source to protect their secret. If VIA do not want to disclose it, it is hard for opensource people to figure out how to support the hardware perfectly. So, if you want to knock the door, knock VIA or unichrome, not openchrome. Openchrome could get as good as what VIA/unichrome is willing to share their secret. As for me, I suggest not to use/buy any graphic card that refuse to give support on linux driver and leave it to opensource people to struggle to make the driver for them. DK From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 01:52:50 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:52:50 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <9844155d0910060214kcf2f06cj6909de07b855cc02@mail.gmail.com> <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <1254851320.2630.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <1254880370.2630.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 21:45 +0200, Knapp wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > > With Karmic I just set the Desktop to use the old style menu and it > > operates pretty much like KDE3. I have no beef with it now ...other than > > the old saw about pulseaudio and phoron all heaped between me and alsa. > > I just unloaded the packages that wouldn't rip out the rest of my > > install and I'm happy as a clam. Ric > > I don't mean to thread jack but what packages are those? I might need > to know in a month. > > Why don't you like Pulseaudio and Phoron (whatever that is)? I kept having sound stutter problems with OpenGL games, when the system is being maxed out. Can't have that!! Monsters could sneak up on me and I wouldn't hear them. Just won't do and isn't Cricket. I just love Sauerbraten and Warzone2100. Sometimes I just have to blow stuff up. > Just goggled Phonon, maybe that is why 8.10 can't play my DVDs but 8.04 can? You need those libdvd* packages, and libdvdcss2 which is in the Medibuntu repo. Yoho! > Last time I tried to set KDE4 to use KDE 3 menus it was still short, > as in did not go from the top to the bottom of my screen. Is it still > that way? You can set your toolbar at the top, the bottom or the sides. Like McDonalds, you can have it your way! Just click on the tool bar and you can set length, height, etc. Just click around on it and you'll eventually hit the sweet spot. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 01:54:54 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:54:54 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0910061628y85ae882hc9ad35541b5aca82@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <9844155d0910060214kcf2f06cj6909de07b855cc02@mail.gmail.com> <2l4sp6-uv6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> <9c2aabaf0910061628y85ae882hc9ad35541b5aca82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254880494.2630.72.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 17:28 -0600, Michael Hirsch wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Knapp wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Derek Broughton wrote: > >> David Kuntadi wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > >>>> I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new > >>>> version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how > >>>> I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with > >>>> konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can > >>>> take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably > >>>> not work. > >>>> > >>>> Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the > >>>> implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some > >>>> updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? > >>>> > >>>> Thoughts anyone? > >>> > >>> You could stay with Hardy (LTS) for 3 years: > >>> > >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS > >> > >> Except Kubuntu wasn't an LTS, and the KDE packages reach end-of-life at 18 > >> months. > >> -- > >> derek > > > > I have been sticking with 8.04 because I don't like kde 4 much. > > Problem is that most of 8.04, the under parts (libs), are getting old > > and don't work well with really up to date software like from an SVN. > > Things are moving. KDE 3 -> KDE 4, Python 2 to Python 3, Ext 3 to Ext > > 4, Grub 1 to Grub 2, VLC to VLC 1.? and LOTS of others like; Blender > > 3d 2.5, Inkscape .47 (will this be in 9.10) and more. Thus, I think I > > will at last be forced to upgrade. > > I'm running Jaunty with KDE 3.5 and it works quite well. check out > http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/ for instructions on using 3.5 with > Hardy and Jaunty. > > I believe that the intention is to support Karmic as well. I'm now > using 4.3 at work and 3.5 at home, but I may finally upgrade to 4.x > when Karmic is released. Once you dink around with the settings, you can hardly tell the difference. I haven't clicked on that peanut in ages. It's like oatmeal in the morning, ...it's just there. Ric From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Wed Oct 7 02:01:15 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:01:15 +0800 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACBF66B.3000900@bradbury.edu.hk> David Kuntadi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Christopher Chan > wrote: > >> Nope. Jaunty installed openchrome. Also, since when do you file bugs in >> launchpad against proprietary drivers? >> > > Offcourse ubuntu would only ship opensource driver, the proprietary > driver need to be downloaded separately. But the opensource people do > not really know what is the real secret of the hardware, that is why > the make closed source to protect their secret. If VIA do not want to > disclose it, it is hard for opensource people to figure out how to > support the hardware perfectly. > Okay, so now you are saying that it is VIA's fault even though you have already stated that openchrome is more stable than VIA's own drivers. > So, if you want to knock the door, knock VIA or unichrome, not > openchrome. Openchrome could get as good as what VIA/unichrome is > willing to share their secret. > I doubt that a double free error is related to knowing or not knowing stuff about the chip. > As for me, I suggest not to use/buy any graphic card that refuse to > give support on linux driver and leave it to opensource people to > struggle to make the driver for them. > > I did not buy the computer. I just have to work with what I get. From irving.lp at feestudiantes.cujae.edu.cu Wed Oct 7 02:15:14 2009 From: irving.lp at feestudiantes.cujae.edu.cu (Irving Leonard) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:15:14 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <1254880370.2630.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <1254880370.2630.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910062215.14286.irving.lp@feestudiantes.cujae.edu.cu> El Tuesday 06 October 2009 09:52:50 pm Ric Moore escribió: > On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 21:45 +0200, Knapp wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > > > With Karmic I just set the Desktop to use the old style menu and it > > > operates pretty much like KDE3. I have no beef with it now ...other > > > than the old saw about pulseaudio and phoron all heaped between me and > > > alsa. I just unloaded the packages that wouldn't rip out the rest of my > > > install and I'm happy as a clam. Ric > > > > I don't mean to thread jack but what packages are those? I might need > > to know in a month. > > > > Why don't you like Pulseaudio and Phoron (whatever that is)? > > I kept having sound stutter problems with OpenGL games, when the system > is being maxed out. Can't have that!! Monsters could sneak up on me and > I wouldn't hear them. Just won't do and isn't Cricket. I just love > Sauerbraten and Warzone2100. Sometimes I just have to blow stuff up. maybe you should read this http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html and then give this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound a try. -- irving Participe en Universidad 2010, del 8 al 12 de febrero de 2010 La Habana, Cuba http://www.universidad2010.cu --------------------------------------------------------------------- SEGUNDO SEMINARIO INTERNACIONAL LEGADO Y DIVERSIDAD. ARQUITECTURA Y URBANISMO. El rescate de los valores urbanos y arquitectónicos en tiempos de globalización Colegio de San Gerónimo, La Habana Vieja, noviembre 24-27, 2009 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 02:24:06 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:24:06 -0400 Subject: Kaddressbook problem In-Reply-To: <200910061127.01809.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <1254806477.14809.55.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910061127.01809.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <1254882246.2630.81.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 11:27 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: > > Kadddress book shows I have 1,643 records in it. When I export a cvs > > file from it and import it into OO-spreadsheet I have 1,406 records. > > Anyone have a clue?? I'm looking bad here! Not that I need a lot of > > help. :) Ric > > > > If you're looking for the reason for the difference in record count, could > this be due to the usual 'hole' that is left in flat files when a record gets > deleted or expanded?? That is, the extra records are no longer valid? It has to be something like that. Alas, there is no utility built in to compress or repair the database. You know what? I miss PCfile. Ran in ab ascii screen with DOS. Two colors, black and amber. It could compress/pack the database. So could dBaseII under CP/M. Gene will probably jump up and claim his abacus could repair the database. Never get in an old-iron contest with that man. He taught Von Neuman how to temper the springs. Everyone say Happy Birthday to Gene. He's now officially older than dirt. Ric From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 02:42:12 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:42:12 +0700 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4ACBF66B.3000900@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBF66B.3000900@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <9844155d0910061942s62eaa97doe6ff17cbf5de37a2@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: > Okay, so now you are saying that it is VIA's fault even though you have > already stated that openchrome is more stable than VIA's own drivers. Sure. VIA own driver work very well in MS Windows, but not for its linux driver. The fact that the opensource driver could beat the VIA's own driver shows that VIA do not have enough commitment to deliver good driver: http://forums.opensuse.org/tech-news/421513-chip-maker-via-joins-linux-foundation.html > I doubt that a double free error is related to knowing or not knowing > stuff about the chip. It is the first time I heard we could make driver for hardware without the need to know what hardware it is. Could you give me some reference of what you are saying? As far as I know, driver maker should know the hardware characteristic, and this is one of the most difficult parts of the technology i.e. make a piece of metal alive. > I did not buy the computer. I just have to work with what I get. Then, I wish you good luck with VIA chipset DK From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Wed Oct 7 03:13:27 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:13:27 +0800 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910061942s62eaa97doe6ff17cbf5de37a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBF66B.3000900@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061942s62eaa97doe6ff17cbf5de37a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACC0757.6000207@bradbury.edu.hk> David Kuntadi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chan > wrote: > > >> Okay, so now you are saying that it is VIA's fault even though you have >> already stated that openchrome is more stable than VIA's own drivers. >> > > Sure. VIA own driver work very well in MS Windows, but not for its > linux driver. The fact that the opensource driver could beat the VIA's > own driver shows that VIA do not have enough commitment to deliver > good driver: > > http://forums.opensuse.org/tech-news/421513-chip-maker-via-joins-linux-foundation.html > > I fail to see how what VIA does or does not do has anything to do with a bug in openchrome. >> I doubt that a double free error is related to knowing or not knowing >> stuff about the chip. >> > > It is the first time I heard we could make driver for hardware without > the need to know what hardware it is. Could you give me some reference > of what you are saying? As far as I know, driver maker should know the > hardware characteristic, and this is one of the most difficult parts > of the technology i.e. make a piece of metal alive. > What do you think the pioneers of X servers for various chips did? Of course, the driver that comes out of such circumstances will be lacking in some stuff or even incomplete and even useless. Again, documentation from the manufacturer about their chip has nothing to do with a double free error since that is not even something to do with communicating to the chip. I do not know why you are so keen on 'protecting' the openchrome guys. From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 04:26:05 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:26:05 +0700 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4ACC0757.6000207@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBF66B.3000900@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061942s62eaa97doe6ff17cbf5de37a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ACC0757.6000207@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <9844155d0910062126g52bb820aq2d98f2b3cbcba9a6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: > I fail to see how what VIA does or does not do has anything to do with a > bug in openchrome. The bug in openchrome should be related to the hardware, which is made by VIA. > What do you think the pioneers of X servers for various chips did? Of > course, the driver that comes out of such circumstances will be lacking > in some stuff or even incomplete and even useless. Again, documentation > from the manufacturer about their chip has nothing to do with a double > free error since that is not even something to do with communicating to > the chip. I do not know why you are so keen on 'protecting' the > openchrome guys. The blank screen is when the software unable to communicate with the chip. The openchrome guys would be interested in seeing your bug report offcourse. But If we put pressure on VIA, you might get a better result in the long term such as VIA supporting the opensource: http://www.h-online.com/open/Chip-Maker-VIA-joins-the-Linux-Foundation--/news/114190 I have computer with ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) on ubuntu. I tried to logout and login many times just now, there is no problem at all. So, may be it is KDE issue? If you want to pinpoint it yourself, may be you could try to install ubuntu-desktop on your problematic computer and tried to simulate the problem on ubuntu, see if it has the same issue like kubuntu. DK From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Wed Oct 7 04:31:57 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:31:57 +0800 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910062126g52bb820aq2d98f2b3cbcba9a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACB25AB.1040204@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061715o698feae5h985723cb12543eca@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBF66B.3000900@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061942s62eaa97doe6ff17cbf5de37a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ACC0757.6000207@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910062126g52bb820aq2d98f2b3cbcba9a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACC19BD.5080900@bradbury.edu.hk> David Kuntadi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Christopher Chan > wrote: > >> I fail to see how what VIA does or does not do has anything to do with a >> bug in openchrome. >> > > The bug in openchrome should be related to the hardware, which is made by VIA. > > Do you at all know what 'double free or corruption' means? From TonySivori at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 05:03:34 2009 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:03:34 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: Neil Winchurst wrote: > I use kubuntu Hardy, which is just about 18 months old now. The new > version, Karmic, is due out soon. Since I have Hardy tweaked exactly how > I want it I plan to stay with it. For example, I want to stay with > konqueror not dolphin. I have java and flash running just fine. It can > take ages to get a new version ready for me. And updates would probably > not work. > > Up to how I have had regular updates, including some today. What are the > implications of staying put with Hardy please? Will I still get some > updates or not? Is it a good idea to stay put? > > Thoughts anyone? I plan to stay with my near perfect and very customized install of 8.04. In my case, the eventual decision to upgrade will probably be driven by hardware. I'm currently running 32 bit Kubuntu on 64 bit hardware which limits the machine to 4 GB of ram. I'll likely wait to bite the bullet and upgrade the OS and ram when all updates ends for 8.04. That should have the added advantage that KDE 4.x will be much more refined by then. -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 05:29:50 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:29:50 +0700 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4ACC19BD.5080900@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBF66B.3000900@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061942s62eaa97doe6ff17cbf5de37a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ACC0757.6000207@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910062126g52bb820aq2d98f2b3cbcba9a6@mail.gmail.com> <4ACC19BD.5080900@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <9844155d0910062229i2bfe94fev3fd1ecbcac7f39ef@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: > Do you at all know what 'double free or corruption' means? A double free or corruption error in a Fortran program means that your program has somehow invoked the free() C runtime function with an invalid pointer. This can happen if it is using dynamic memory allocation or if it is calling free() in C directly somehow. A common cause of this error is that your code has overwritten memory somewhere due to an out-of-bounds array index. By the way, is this bug ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/367053 ) affect kubuntu only also affect ubuntu? DK From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Oct 7 05:35:33 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:35:33 -0400 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910060354h287b6013xc8bad31130495cf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> <9844155d0910060354h287b6013xc8bad31130495cf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Oct 6, David Kuntadi did say: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Ali Milis wrote: > > Really? > > What to do if the system crashes and it asks for > > root password when booting? > > The first user password could do the job, if it is not removed from admin yet. > > DK Pardon me for intruding on this interesting discussion. But David mentioned something I'm curious about. IE what is the difference (if any) between the first user account, and any other account that has been added to the Admin group??? In the above scenario, Does the system crash test for root password on a Kubuntu system actually verify against ALL fully privileged suduer accounts? Or does it simply know the user ID # that the installer would have assigned to the first user??? If it does depend on it being the actual first user, then what other processes work better for first user than for other Admin users? Myself, I always found it irritating that the installer assumes the first user I create is going to be my superuser account. But in fact Any user account I'm going to ever be using won't be created until I've modified /etc/skel with changes to an assortment of default set ups, (including massive changes to the default kde global keyboard shortcuts) Thus with any Kubuntu system installed to my computer, the first user will generally: 1) set a real root password. (I'm a big boy, and I like to use the same admin methods on ALL my Linux which is usually done via "su -c" and/or "su -c mc") 2) modify /etc/sudoers to add targetpw to the defaults flag list. (because I believe using the same password that is used to log in for mundane tasks to access admin functions is inherently less secure than having a root account... {I figure that sooner or later I'll be doing humdrum stuff and not notice some shoulder surfer watching me enter my password, But if I'm entering a password for ADMIN use, I think more about who could be watching. -pointless if it's the same passwd they already watched me input when I was logging in to check my mail etc...-}) 3) be deleted by root. Now if there was a way to set up sudoers to use a separate admin password without having an active root account, Then I might find the added security of outsiders NOT knowing the login name of the admin account worth putting up with sudo. OR if a NON-sudoer could: orduser$ su passwd: sudoer$ sudo bash passwd: sudoer# Then I might stop bothering with an actual root account. But unless I'm mistaken, on a Kubuntu system, su only works for sudoers... Still I'd like to know if there actually is anything special about the first user account besides it being a sudoer??? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 05:41:20 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:41:20 +0700 Subject: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <200910051410.03154.mmtsales@gmail.com> <36135600910060340i74b3058awd3959462572ab61f@mail.gmail.com> <9844155d0910060354h287b6013xc8bad31130495cf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9844155d0910062241h430dd0f9t97185285df0f9d85@mail.gmail.com> Fowarding to the list: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joe(theWordy)Philbrook Date: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM Subject: Re: How to create a superuser in Kubuntu? To: David Kuntadi It would appear that on Oct 6, David Kuntadi did say: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Ali Milis wrote: > > Really? > > What to do if the system crashes and it asks for > > root password when booting? > > The first user password could do the job, if it is not removed from admin yet. > > DK Pardon me for intruding on this interesting discussion. But David mentioned something I'm curious about. IE what is the difference (if any) between the first user account, and any other account that has been added to the Admin group??? In the above scenario, Does the system crash test for root password on a Kubuntu system actually verify against ALL fully privileged suduer accounts? Or does it simply know the user ID # that the installer would have assigned to the first user??? If it does depend on it being the actual first user, then what other processes work better for first user than for other Admin users? Myself, I always found it irritating that the installer assumes the first user I create is going to be my superuser account. But in fact Any user account I'm going to ever be using won't be created until I've modified /etc/skel with changes to an assortment of default set ups, (including massive changes to the default kde global keyboard shortcuts) Thus with any Kubuntu system installed to my computer, the first user will generally: 1) set a real root password. (I'm a big boy, and I like to use the same   admin methods on ALL my Linux which is usually done via "su -c" and/or   "su -c mc") 2) modify /etc/sudoers to add targetpw to the defaults flag list. (because   I believe using the same password that is used to log in for mundane   tasks to access admin functions is inherently less secure than having a   root account... {I figure that sooner or later I'll be doing humdrum   stuff and not notice some shoulder surfer watching me enter my password,   But if I'm entering a password for ADMIN use, I think more about who   could be watching. -pointless if it's the same passwd they already   watched me input when I was logging in to check my mail etc...-}) 3) be deleted by root. Now if there was a way to set up sudoers to use a separate admin password without having an active root account, Then I might find the added security of outsiders NOT knowing the login name of the admin account worth putting up with sudo. OR if a NON-sudoer could: orduser$ su passwd: sudoer$ sudo bash passwd: sudoer# Then I might stop bothering with an actual root account. But unless I'm mistaken, on a Kubuntu system, su only works for sudoers... Still I'd like to know if there actually is anything special about the first user account besides it being a sudoer??? -- |  ~^~   ~^~ |                 Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |      ^                      J(tWdy)P |    \___/                 <> From tanghus at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 06:01:28 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:01:28 +0200 Subject: Someones been busy :-) Message-ID: <200910070801.29886.tanghus@gmail.com> Can't wait to see :-) The following packages will be upgraded: ark bomber bovo cervisia cvsservice dolphin dragonplayer gwenview kamera kapman kappfinder kapptemplate kate katomic kbattleship kblackbox kblocks kbounce kbreakout kbugbuster kcachegrind kde-icons-mono kde-printer-applet kde-window-manager kde-zeroconf kdeartwork kdeartwork-emoticons kdeartwork-style kdeartwork-theme-icon kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-plasma kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data kdebase-runtime-data-common kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase- workspace-data kdebase-workspace-dev kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 kdebase-workspace-wallpapers kdegames kdegames- card-data kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-strigi-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-dev kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-data kdepim-runtime-libs4 kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 kdeplasma-addons kdesdk kdesdk-misc kdesdk-scripts kdesdk- strigi-plugins kdesnake kdewallpapers kdiamond kdm kfind kfourinline kgoldrunner kgpg khelpcenter khelpcenter4 killbots kinfocenter kiriki kjumpingcube klines klipper kmag kmahjongg kmines kmix kmousetool knetwalk kolf kollision kommander kompare konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konquest konsole kopete kpartloader kpat krdc kreversi krfb kruler ksame kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers kshisen ksirk ksnapshot kspaceduel ksquares ksudoku ksysguard ksysguardd ksystemlog ktron ktuberling kubrick kuiviewer kuser kwalletmanager kweather kwin kwrite libgcal0 libkcddb4 libkdcraw7 libkdecorations4 libkdegames5 libkexiv2-7 libkipi6 libknotificationitem1 libkonq5 libkonq5-dev libkonq5-templates libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkopete4 libkorundum4-ruby1.8 libkrosspython0 libksane0 libkwineffects1 liblancelot0 libmarble4 libokularcore1 libplasma3 libqt4-ruby1.8 libsmokekde4-2 libsmokeqt4-2 lokalize lskat marble marble-data okular okular-extra-backends plasma-dataengines-addons plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktopthemes- artwork plasma-runners-addons plasma-scriptengine-javascript plasma-scriptengine-python plasma-scriptengine-qedje plasma-scriptengine- ruby plasma-scriptengine-webkit plasma-scriptengines plasma-wallpapers-addons plasma-widget-folderview plasma-widget-lancelot plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace poxml printer-applet python-kde4 python-kde4-dev python-kde4-doc system-config-printer-kde systemsettings umbrello wget 176 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 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After unpacking 1569kB will be used. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From tanghus at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 06:19:21 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:19:21 +0200 Subject: update-notifier-kde Message-ID: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on Jaunty other than nuking the file? -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Wed Oct 7 06:36:18 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:36:18 +0800 Subject: X server bug possibly OpenChrome in Jaunty In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910062229i2bfe94fev3fd1ecbcac7f39ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC8A200.7090001@bradbury.edu.hk> <4ACBE7FD.2010307@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061816h79c20ec1nd50f754516bf93e7@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBEE5D.7030408@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061852u76c161e5oc3406b7014bfd09a@mail.gmail.com> <4ACBF66B.3000900@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910061942s62eaa97doe6ff17cbf5de37a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ACC0757.6000207@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910062126g52bb820aq2d98f2b3cbcba9a6@mail.gmail.com> <4ACC19BD.5080900@bradbury.edu.hk> <9844155d0910062229i2bfe94fev3fd1ecbcac7f39ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACC36E2.2090804@bradbury.edu.hk> David Kuntadi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Christopher Chan > wrote: > >> Do you at all know what 'double free or corruption' means? >> > > A double free or corruption error in a Fortran program means that > your program has somehow invoked the free() C runtime function > with an invalid pointer. This can happen if it is using dynamic > memory allocation or if it is calling free() in C directly > somehow. > > I suppose that means you know then that hardware calls are not at all related to the bug then. > A common cause of this error is that your code has overwritten > memory somewhere due to an out-of-bounds array index. > > By the way, is this bug ( > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/367053 > ) affect kubuntu only also affect ubuntu? > Who knows. No one else has made a reply to my post to try to see if this is specific to the hardware I am working with or whether it is higher up in Xorg and not in the drivers. I guess that bug's description makes it sufficiently different from mine and so it is probably driver specific as the problem I have is slightly different and I have different error messages. From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Oct 7 06:38:03 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 02:38:03 -0400 Subject: can Linux repair (or restore from backup) a corrupted disk partition table? Message-ID: I'm currently down to doing all my computing on my laptop. (ever since the venerable old desktop died) This puts a crimp in the available drive space. So I put one of the larger IDE drives from the dead PC into an ide/usb enclosure and use it for archive, back-up, and music storage purposes. The other day a tree fell on the power line while I was listening to music. Of course, the laptop kept running, but the power supply for the drive enclosure failed... "No big deal", I thought, "I'll just run fsck on the music partition after the power company restores power..." However, when I went to do that, neither fsck, nor fdisk could access the partition table of /dev/sdb. I wish I'd recorded the exact error messages they generated, because it's too late now. In any event, the idea of a corrupted partition table in the mbr of that drive bothered me more than just the loss of my music files. I had other partitions on that drive with assorted back-up files on them. I remember more as an expression of frustration than because I thought it could help I used the command line history function to recall and reenter the "fdisk /dev/sdb" command several times in rapid succession when all of a sudden it succeeded. And I was in... A quick look confirmed that the actual table was still there, with all the right info for the 13 partitions on that disk. I wasn't sure why it had taken so many tries to access it, so I did a "w" to write the table and exit. I got it all back, Nothings missing etc... But it disturbs me that I might have lost it all. So I'm wondering if there is a way to repair such a partition table if you have the data previously supplied by an "fdisk -l"??? And/or is there a good way to back-up and then, if the need arises restore, partition table data??? And is there a good how-to somewhere??? Thanks. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 07:47:35 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:47:35 +0200 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 Message-ID: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> Still playing around with 9.10 in a Vbox and liking it more and more. So I am still looking for any suggestions on the "best way" to upgrade. My computer has separate root and home partitions, one way I have used before is to leave all "as is" on Home and reformat Root. Then reinstall all my apps (that dont come by default) following that. But given the ext3 and ext4 "issue" and the shift from KDE3.5 to KDE4 I am hesitant if this will really work this time around? File locations for Kontact/KMail etc - will these be automagically upgraded/changed? If I tar all from home to an external disk (or simply copy it over as is on an ext3 disk) will I get problems copying files back if I repartition Home to ext4? Is there any point for a desktop/laptop to use ext4 instead of ext3? Any pointers or suggestions most welcome. The Kubuntu wiki simply states that upgrade from 8.04 to 9.10 is not possible at the moment but "work in progress". kind regards, Sinclair From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 08:40:07 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:40:07 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <200910062215.14286.irving.lp@feestudiantes.cujae.edu.cu> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <1254880370.2630.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910062215.14286.irving.lp@feestudiantes.cujae.edu.cu> Message-ID: <1254904807.2630.460.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 22:15 -0400, Irving Leonard wrote: > El Tuesday 06 October 2009 09:52:50 pm Ric Moore escribió: > > On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 21:45 +0200, Knapp wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > > > > With Karmic I just set the Desktop to use the old style menu and it > > > > operates pretty much like KDE3. I have no beef with it now ...other > > > > than the old saw about pulseaudio and phoron all heaped between me and > > > > alsa. I just unloaded the packages that wouldn't rip out the rest of my > > > > install and I'm happy as a clam. Ric > > > > > > I don't mean to thread jack but what packages are those? I might need > > > to know in a month. > > > > > > Why don't you like Pulseaudio and Phoron (whatever that is)? > > > > I kept having sound stutter problems with OpenGL games, when the system > > is being maxed out. Can't have that!! Monsters could sneak up on me and > > I wouldn't hear them. Just won't do and isn't Cricket. I just love > > Sauerbraten and Warzone2100. Sometimes I just have to blow stuff up. > maybe you should read this > http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html > and then give this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound a try. Good links! I used OSS back when there wasn't anything else for soundcards other than what was available in the kernel. OSS was the only game in town for builtin sound cards. I paid the $10 for a lifetime of support and long since lost my registration number. Hannu aways answered email. Thanks! So far, I'm happy with just alsa. :) Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 08:44:57 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:44:57 -0400 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254905097.2630.467.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 08:19 +0200, Thomas Olsen wrote: > Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on Jaunty > other than nuking the file? Kinda like being on a website with the unwanted pop-ups. :) Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 08:59:25 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:59:25 -0400 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 09:47 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > Still playing around with 9.10 in a Vbox and liking it more and more. So > I am still looking for any suggestions on the "best way" to upgrade. > > My computer has separate root and home partitions, one way I have used > before is to leave all "as is" on Home and reformat Root. Then reinstall > all my apps (that dont come by default) following that. > > But given the ext3 and ext4 "issue" and the shift from KDE3.5 to KDE4 I > am hesitant if this will really work this time around? File locations > for Kontact/KMail etc - will these be automagically upgraded/changed? > > If I tar all from home to an external disk (or simply copy it over as is > on an ext3 disk) will I get problems copying files back if I repartition > Home to ext4? > > Is there any point for a desktop/laptop to use ext4 instead of ext3? > > Any pointers or suggestions most welcome. The Kubuntu wiki simply states > that upgrade from 8.04 to 9.10 is not possible at the moment but "work > in progress". I just took it in steps: Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty to Karmic and it worked pretty good. Ric From info at alvin.be Wed Oct 7 09:05:21 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:05:21 +0200 Subject: Shared calendar In-Reply-To: References: <1254776264.4033.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910071105.25067.info@alvin.be> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 11:45:14 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi RIc, > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 22:57, Ric Moore wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:02 +0200, Alvin wrote: > > ... > > >> Do I need a Caldav server, do I need Kolab, eGroupware? What's the > >> (K)Ubuntu preferred way to do this? Should she just have another > >> calendar and mail me the appointments? Do I need to look at Google > >> calendar? > > > > I tried Kolab which drug in a bunch of mono. > > I really wonder how this is possible, as kolab relies on nothing > related to mono: > > aptitude show kolabd > [quote] > [...] I don't see the mono either. On the bright side, there are kolab packages. No more compiling and watching out for conflicts with existing packages. I think I'll try it out once more. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 09:05:37 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:05:37 +0200 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 09:47 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Still playing around with 9.10 in a Vbox and liking it more and more. So >> I am still looking for any suggestions on the "best way" to upgrade. >> >> My computer has separate root and home partitions, one way I have used >> before is to leave all "as is" on Home and reformat Root. Then reinstall >> all my apps (that dont come by default) following that. >> >> But given the ext3 and ext4 "issue" and the shift from KDE3.5 to KDE4 I >> am hesitant if this will really work this time around? File locations >> for Kontact/KMail etc - will these be automagically upgraded/changed? >> >> If I tar all from home to an external disk (or simply copy it over as is >> on an ext3 disk) will I get problems copying files back if I repartition >> Home to ext4? >> >> Is there any point for a desktop/laptop to use ext4 instead of ext3? >> >> Any pointers or suggestions most welcome. The Kubuntu wiki simply states >> that upgrade from 8.04 to 9.10 is not possible at the moment but "work >> in progress". > > I just took it in steps: Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty to Karmic and it > worked pretty good. Ric > Thanks for the reply - however with my internet connection here I would rather try and jump as many steps as possible... or it could take a week or so. From tanghus at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 09:10:40 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:10:40 +0200 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <1254905097.2630.467.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> <1254905097.2630.467.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910071110.40278.tanghus@gmail.com> On 7/10-2009 10:44 Ric Moore wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 08:19 +0200, Thomas Olsen wrote: > > Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on > > Jaunty other than nuking the file? > > Kinda like being on a website with the unwanted pop-ups. :) Ric > Well it's not the pop-ups. I usually kill the process before they arrive. It's the +20 minutes it's crunching my HD. I just want to do "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade". I *really* hope the update notifier is optimized in Karmic. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 09:15:56 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:15:56 -0400 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 11:05 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 09:47 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Still playing around with 9.10 in a Vbox and liking it more and more. So > >> I am still looking for any suggestions on the "best way" to upgrade. > >> > >> My computer has separate root and home partitions, one way I have used > >> before is to leave all "as is" on Home and reformat Root. Then reinstall > >> all my apps (that dont come by default) following that. > >> > >> But given the ext3 and ext4 "issue" and the shift from KDE3.5 to KDE4 I > >> am hesitant if this will really work this time around? File locations > >> for Kontact/KMail etc - will these be automagically upgraded/changed? > >> > >> If I tar all from home to an external disk (or simply copy it over as is > >> on an ext3 disk) will I get problems copying files back if I repartition > >> Home to ext4? > >> > >> Is there any point for a desktop/laptop to use ext4 instead of ext3? > >> > >> Any pointers or suggestions most welcome. The Kubuntu wiki simply states > >> that upgrade from 8.04 to 9.10 is not possible at the moment but "work > >> in progress". > > > > I just took it in steps: Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty to Karmic and it > > worked pretty good. Ric > > > > Thanks for the reply - however with my internet connection here I would > rather try and jump as many steps as possible... or it could take a week > or so. This is what it took for me, about a week. You have to fully update each install before you can make the jump to the next. Sorry. Ric From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 09:17:39 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:17:39 +0200 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <200910071110.40278.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> <1254905097.2630.467.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910071110.40278.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACC5CB3.4000106@gmail.com> Thomas Olsen wrote: > On 7/10-2009 10:44 Ric Moore wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 08:19 +0200, Thomas Olsen wrote: >>> Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on >>> Jaunty other than nuking the file? >> Kinda like being on a website with the unwanted pop-ups. :) Ric >> > > Well it's not the pop-ups. I usually kill the process before they arrive. It's > the +20 minutes it's crunching my HD. I just want to do "sudo aptitude update > && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade". > I *really* hope the update notifier is optimized in Karmic. > Is it not a daemon you can stop from running or something such? I am also annoyed by it as I got it popping up umpteen times when I was using aptitude for an upgrade "can not get lock of database bla bla bla" From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Wed Oct 7 10:12:06 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Christopher Rob JONES) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:12:06 +0200 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> > This is what it took for me, about a week. You have to fully update each > install before you can make the jump to the next. Sorry. Ric I think if I was in your shoes I would consider a completely fresh installation. backup /home to an external drive or similar, do a fresh installation, including reformatting home, and then just copy back the data from the /home backup. I think you should probably let the various config files (.XYZ etc.) remake themselves since the differences are likely large, particular for KDE going fronm 3 to 4. just my 2 pence worth. Chris From mmtsales at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 10:18:00 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0300 Subject: Someones been busy :-) In-Reply-To: <200910070801.29886.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910070801.29886.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910070718.00871.mmtsales@gmail.com> Em Quarta-feira 07 Outubro 2009, Thomas Olsen escreveu: > Can't wait to see :-) > > The following packages will be upgraded: > ark bomber bovo cervisia cvsservice dolphin dragonplayer gwenview > kamera kapman kappfinder kapptemplate kate katomic kbattleship > kblackbox kblocks kbounce kbreakout kbugbuster kcachegrind > kde-icons-mono kde-printer-applet kde-window-manager kde-zeroconf > kdeartwork kdeartwork-emoticons kdeartwork-style > kdeartwork-theme-icon kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-plasma > kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data > kdebase-runtime-data-common kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin > kdebase- workspace-data kdebase-workspace-dev > kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 > kdebase-workspace-wallpapers kdegames kdegames- card-data > kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-strigi-plugins kdelibs-bin > kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-dev kdemultimedia-kio-plugins > kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-data kdepim-runtime-libs4 > kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 kdeplasma-addons kdesdk kdesdk-misc > kdesdk-scripts kdesdk- strigi-plugins kdesnake kdewallpapers kdiamond > kdm kfind kfourinline kgoldrunner > kgpg khelpcenter khelpcenter4 killbots kinfocenter kiriki > kjumpingcube klines klipper kmag kmahjongg kmines kmix kmousetool > knetwalk kolf kollision kommander kompare konqueror > konqueror-nsplugins konquest konsole kopete kpartloader kpat krdc > kreversi krfb kruler ksame kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers kshisen > ksirk ksnapshot kspaceduel ksquares ksudoku ksysguard ksysguardd > ksystemlog ktron ktuberling kubrick kuiviewer kuser kwalletmanager > kweather kwin kwrite libgcal0 libkcddb4 libkdcraw7 libkdecorations4 > libkdegames5 libkexiv2-7 libkipi6 libknotificationitem1 libkonq5 > libkonq5-dev libkonq5-templates libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkopete4 > libkorundum4-ruby1.8 libkrosspython0 libksane0 libkwineffects1 > liblancelot0 libmarble4 libokularcore1 libplasma3 libqt4-ruby1.8 > libsmokekde4-2 libsmokeqt4-2 lokalize lskat marble marble-data okular > okular-extra-backends plasma-dataengines-addons > plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktopthemes- artwork > plasma-runners-addons plasma-scriptengine-javascript > plasma-scriptengine-python plasma-scriptengine-qedje > plasma-scriptengine- ruby plasma-scriptengine-webkit > plasma-scriptengines plasma-wallpapers-addons > plasma-widget-folderview plasma-widget-lancelot plasma-widgets-addons > plasma-widgets-workspace poxml printer-applet python-kde4 > python-kde4-dev python-kde4-doc system-config-printer-kde > systemsettings umbrello wget 176 packages upgraded, 0 newly > installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 264MB of > archives. After unpacking 1569kB will be used. Yes, and this update broke pt-BR language support for KDE here. Now I have only english and System Settings -> Regional Settings freezes when I click it. Any one else has similar problems? []'s Marcelo From tanghus at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 10:29:35 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:29:35 +0200 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> Message-ID: <200910071229.36050.tanghus@gmail.com> On 7/10-2009 12:12 Christopher Rob JONES wrote: > > This is what it took for me, about a week. You have to fully update each > > install before you can make the jump to the next. Sorry. Ric > > I think if I was in your shoes I would consider a completely fresh > installation. backup /home to an external drive or similar, do a fresh > installation, including reformatting home, and then just copy back the > data from the /home backup. I think you should probably let the various > config files (.XYZ etc.) remake themselves since the differences are > likely large, particular for KDE going fronm 3 to 4. > > just my 2 pence worth. > > Chris > I jumped from Hardy to Jaunty. I think I just changed hardy to jaunty in /etc/apt/sources.list. And make sure that the meta package kubuntu-desktop is installed. But I would also recommend a fresh install - maybe wait for Karmic. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Oct 7 11:44:14 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:44:14 -0400 Subject: Kaddressbook problem In-Reply-To: <1254882246.2630.81.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1254806477.14809.55.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910061127.01809.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <1254882246.2630.81.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910070744.14471.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: > It has to be something like that. Alas, there is no utility built in to > compress or repair the database. > How about exporting to a CSV file and then importing as a CSV... both from and to the address book. Might work. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 11:50:44 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:50:44 +0200 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> Message-ID: <4ACC8094.9000900@gmail.com> Christopher Rob JONES wrote: >> This is what it took for me, about a week. You have to fully update each >> install before you can make the jump to the next. Sorry. Ric > > I think if I was in your shoes I would consider a completely fresh > installation. backup /home to an external drive or similar, do a fresh > installation, including reformatting home, and then just copy back the > data from the /home backup. I think you should probably let the various > config files (.XYZ etc.) remake themselves since the differences are > likely large, particular for KDE going fronm 3 to 4. > > just my 2 pence worth. > > Chris > the only parts of the above that worries me is IF they said config files, mail files etc will remake themselves if left in the KDE3 places. From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Wed Oct 7 11:57:21 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:57:21 -0400 Subject: can Linux repair (or restore from backup) a corrupted disk partition table? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910070757.21697.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 02:38:03 am Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > I'm currently down to doing all my computing on my laptop. (ever since the > venerable old desktop died) This puts a crimp in the available drive space. > So I put one of the larger IDE drives from the dead PC into an ide/usb > enclosure and use it for archive, back-up, and music storage purposes. > > The other day a tree fell on the power line while I was listening to music. > Of course, the laptop kept running, but the power supply for the drive > enclosure failed... "No big deal", I thought, "I'll just run fsck on the > music partition after the power company restores power..." > > However, when I went to do that, neither fsck, nor fdisk could access the > partition table of /dev/sdb. I wish I'd recorded the exact error messages > they generated, because it's too late now. > > In any event, the idea of a corrupted partition table in the mbr of that > drive bothered me more than just the loss of my music files. I had other > partitions on that drive with assorted back-up files on them. > > I remember more as an expression of frustration than because I thought it > could help I used the command line history function to recall and reenter > the "fdisk /dev/sdb" command several times in rapid succession when all of > a sudden it succeeded. And I was in... A quick look confirmed that the > actual table was still there, with all the right info for the 13 partitions > on that disk. I wasn't sure why it had taken so many tries to access it, > so I did a "w" to write the table and exit. I got it all back, Nothings > missing etc... > > But it disturbs me that I might have lost it all. So I'm wondering if > there is a way to repair such a partition table if you have the data > previously supplied by an "fdisk -l"??? > > And/or is there a good way to back-up and then, if the need arises > restore, partition table data??? > > And is there a good how-to somewhere??? > > Thanks. > I had this problem a few weeks ago. I did something I should not have and lost gigabytes of movies and music. I got it all back with the tools described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery If you cannot restore your partition, then you can copy the files out of it. I wrote down what my experience was but it was too big to get on this list. I will email it to you in a separately. Just one thing, if you have to copy your files out of the bad partition, the owner will be root so you have to 'chown' it back to yourself. -- Alan "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Wed Oct 7 12:05:43 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:05:43 -0400 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910070805.43862.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 02:19:21 am Thomas Olsen wrote: > Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on > Jaunty other than nuking the file? > Are you talking about the little gear icon? When you get a lock you can right-click on it and pick Quit. I don't know how to stop it from being used, although I would like to. The whole KDE update system is not working well enough for my liking, blocked updates, unable to resolve dependencies - arg! -- Alan "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln From guethling at googlemail.com Wed Oct 7 12:16:03 2009 From: guethling at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sascha_G=FCthling?=) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:16:03 -0400 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC8094.9000900@gmail.com> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> <4ACC8094.9000900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8abf83c20910070516h7a5891e3k5ccdde750f85186f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/7/09, O. Sinclair wrote: > Christopher Rob JONES wrote: > >> This is what it took for me, about a week. You have to fully update each > >> install before you can make the jump to the next. Sorry. Ric > > > > I think if I was in your shoes I would consider a completely fresh > > installation. backup /home to an external drive or similar, do a fresh > > installation, including reformatting home, and then just copy back the > > data from the /home backup. I think you should probably let the various > > config files (.XYZ etc.) remake themselves since the differences are > > likely large, particular for KDE going fronm 3 to 4. > > > > just my 2 pence worth. > > > > Chris > > > > the only parts of the above that worries me is IF they said config > files, mail files etc will remake themselves if left in the KDE3 places. You could easily try out by backing up your /home to an external storage, then leaving the data on the original partition make a fresh install of Karmic and see what happens. But I think they will not be converted but rather overwritten or the new files will be in a different place and the old files ignored by the system. Unfortunately sometimes you have to break with things to make something new. I think it's better than dragging the old junk around with you for backwards compatibility till forever. But that is a different discussion. To answer some of your other questions: Ext4 is still in development. I can't cite but I've seen tests where the performance was very similar to ext3 in terms of speed. Mostly depending on the file size you have some little advantages here or there. That was 2 or 3 months ago. Being in development also means there can still be errors, you should probably read up on the state of the development. I had no problems so far on my Karmic test installation. But if you decide to change your /home from ext3 to ext4 you won't have any trouble getting your data back on the new partition. It's like copying something on a USB thumb drive, most of them are still FAT32 and you don't have any trouble getting your data back from them. If you decide to leave your /home partition as ext3 and your /root partition changes to ext4 you won't have problems either. They can coexist with each other (and other types) peacefully. The system doesn't care. -- Sascha From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Oct 7 12:50:36 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:50:36 -0400 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC8094.9000900@gmail.com> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> <4ACC8094.9000900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACC8E9C.8010300@midmaine.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Christopher Rob JONES wrote: >>> This is what it took for me, about a week. You have to fully update each >>> install before you can make the jump to the next. Sorry. Ric >> I think if I was in your shoes I would consider a completely fresh >> installation. backup /home to an external drive or similar, do a fresh >> installation, including reformatting home, and then just copy back the >> data from the /home backup. I think you should probably let the various >> config files (.XYZ etc.) remake themselves since the differences are >> likely large, particular for KDE going fronm 3 to 4. >> >> just my 2 pence worth. >> >> Chris >> > the only parts of the above that worries me is IF they said config > files, mail files etc will remake themselves if left in the KDE3 places. > > All your current kde3 configs will be carried over - no conversion needed. The desktop settings (wallpapers, themes, etc) will obviously not carry over as that system is totally different, so you would have to customize that to your liking. But app settings all carry over. The only thing I had to fix was that I had to re-create my email accounts, but not my folders or filters or anything. But that was during Intrepid's Alpha stage and a recovery from a backup, not an upgrade. Another area to consider is nvidia/ati proprietary drivers. I am seeing some issues with fglrx from jaunty to karmic, and would assume these would hold true for a hardy-karmic jump due to the changes in kernbels and xorg between the 2. Also, the dist-upgrade tool cleans some things, disables external repos and the like making for an easier and safer upgrade process. Worth the wait if they can get a hardy-karmic upgrade path fixed. Otherwise, I recommend a clean install, preferably using a separate /home partition and proper backups. clay From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 13:10:40 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:10:40 +0200 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC8E9C.8010300@midmaine.com> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> <4ACC8094.9000900@gmail.com> <4ACC8E9C.8010300@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4ACC9350.1060706@gmail.com> clay weber wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Christopher Rob JONES wrote: >>>> This is what it took for me, about a week. You have to fully update each >>>> install before you can make the jump to the next. Sorry. Ric >>> I think if I was in your shoes I would consider a completely fresh >>> installation. backup /home to an external drive or similar, do a fresh >>> installation, including reformatting home, and then just copy back the >>> data from the /home backup. I think you should probably let the various >>> config files (.XYZ etc.) remake themselves since the differences are >>> likely large, particular for KDE going fronm 3 to 4. >>> >>> just my 2 pence worth. >>> >>> Chris >>> >> the only parts of the above that worries me is IF they said config >> files, mail files etc will remake themselves if left in the KDE3 places. >> >> > > All your current kde3 configs will be carried over - no conversion > needed. The desktop settings (wallpapers, themes, etc) will obviously > not carry over as that system is totally different, so you would have to > customize that to your liking. But app settings all carry over. > > The only thing I had to fix was that I had to re-create my email > accounts, but not my folders or filters or anything. But that was during > Intrepid's Alpha stage and a recovery from a backup, not an upgrade. > > Another area to consider is nvidia/ati proprietary drivers. I am seeing > some issues with fglrx from jaunty to karmic, and would assume these > would hold true for a hardy-karmic jump due to the changes in kernbels > and xorg between the 2. > > Also, the dist-upgrade tool cleans some things, disables external repos > and the like making for an easier and safer upgrade process. Worth the > wait if they can get a hardy-karmic upgrade path fixed. Otherwise, I > recommend a clean install, preferably using a separate /home partition > and proper backups. > > clay > thanks for, by now, many advice, thoughts and recommendation. My feeling at the moment is to wait until the RC disk is released. Then I plan to backup /home to an external (ext3) disk and make a cleansweep installation. Then restore what I consider important (mail, documents, music, photos etc) but leave old docs and many old .-files and .directories behind. again - many thanks for your thouights and recommendations Sinclair From guethling at googlemail.com Wed Oct 7 13:49:44 2009 From: guethling at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sascha_G=FCthling?=) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:49:44 -0400 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC9350.1060706@gmail.com> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <1254905965.2630.493.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC59E1.3090302@gmail.com> <1254906956.2630.523.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACC6976.6070008@cern.ch> <4ACC8094.9000900@gmail.com> <4ACC8E9C.8010300@midmaine.com> <4ACC9350.1060706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8abf83c20910070649i56a40847n6b230a62edae1153@mail.gmail.com> On 10/7/09, O. Sinclair wrote: > clay weber wrote: > > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Christopher Rob JONES wrote: > >>>> This is what it took for me, about a week. You have to fully update each > >>>> install before you can make the jump to the next. Sorry. Ric > >>> I think if I was in your shoes I would consider a completely fresh > >>> installation. backup /home to an external drive or similar, do a fresh > >>> installation, including reformatting home, and then just copy back the > >>> data from the /home backup. I think you should probably let the various > >>> config files (.XYZ etc.) remake themselves since the differences are > >>> likely large, particular for KDE going fronm 3 to 4. > >>> > >>> just my 2 pence worth. > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >> the only parts of the above that worries me is IF they said config > >> files, mail files etc will remake themselves if left in the KDE3 places. > >> > >> > > > > All your current kde3 configs will be carried over - no conversion > > needed. The desktop settings (wallpapers, themes, etc) will obviously > > not carry over as that system is totally different, so you would have to > > customize that to your liking. But app settings all carry over. > > > > The only thing I had to fix was that I had to re-create my email > > accounts, but not my folders or filters or anything. But that was during > > Intrepid's Alpha stage and a recovery from a backup, not an upgrade. > > > > Another area to consider is nvidia/ati proprietary drivers. I am seeing > > some issues with fglrx from jaunty to karmic, and would assume these > > would hold true for a hardy-karmic jump due to the changes in kernbels > > and xorg between the 2. > > > > Also, the dist-upgrade tool cleans some things, disables external repos > > and the like making for an easier and safer upgrade process. Worth the > > wait if they can get a hardy-karmic upgrade path fixed. Otherwise, I > > recommend a clean install, preferably using a separate /home partition > > and proper backups. > > > > clay > > > > thanks for, by now, many advice, thoughts and recommendation. My feeling > at the moment is to wait until the RC disk is released. Then I plan to > backup /home to an external (ext3) disk and make a cleansweep > installation. Then restore what I consider important (mail, documents, > music, photos etc) but leave old docs and many old .-files and > .directories behind. > > again - many thanks for your thouights and recommendations > > > Sinclair > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Also have a look at this: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098696 I just remembered that I had that bookmarked because I used it to transfer my kopete and konversation setup to my laptop. I changed the script so it only copied what I need and I didn't go all the way to let it tar the results. But I guess you could change it to your likings and give it a try. -- Sascha From dave at thefletchers.net Wed Oct 7 14:39:34 2009 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:39:34 +0100 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC9350.1060706@gmail.com> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <4ACC8E9C.8010300@midmaine.com> <4ACC9350.1060706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910071539.34908.dave@thefletchers.net> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 14:10:40 O. Sinclair wrote: > thanks for, by now, many advice, thoughts and recommendation. My feeling > at the moment is to wait until the RC disk is released. Then I plan to > backup /home to an external (ext3) disk and make a cleansweep > installation. Then restore what I consider important (mail, documents, > music, photos etc) but leave old docs and many old .-files and > .directories behind. > > again - many thanks for your thouights and recommendations > > Sinclair My thoughts on this are, because hard drives are now so ridiculously cheap, you might as well just back up your data to a flash drive or whatever's large enough, stick in a new hard drive, install 9.10 and restore your data. That way you've still got your old 8.04 installation. My reasoning here is that, for instance, certain applications store data in a database which for some reason not understood by myself sometimes won't work if copied off to a backup then restored to a new (or freshly formatted) hard drive. If the latter, then you've screwed up big time. The two applications of this sort that I use are subversion and gramps, although the last time I did a fresh install to a new hard drive my gramps database worked just fine. Apparently it's best though, for safety, to regularly do an export (which I believe is like doing a dump of a subversion repository) which can later be imported to reinstate the database. I'm wise to these two examples, but still I prefer to use a new drive and leave the old one on a shelf for a few months at least, just to be sure. The old drive can then be reused in another machine, or put back in the original machine next time the OS is upgraded. Call me paranoid, but I once dumped my data to an LS-120 disk, reformatted, reinstalled, then found that the damned LS-120 was giving read errors. I quickly learnt from this experience. Dave From claydoh at midmaine.com Wed Oct 7 16:03:32 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:03:32 -0400 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <4ACC9350.1060706@gmail.com> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <4ACC8E9C.8010300@midmaine.com> <4ACC9350.1060706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910071203.32301.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 09:10:40 am O. Sinclair wrote: > thanks for, by now, many advice, thoughts and recommendation. My feeling > at the moment is to wait until the RC disk is released. Then I plan to > backup /home to an external (ext3) disk and make a cleansweep > installation. Then restore what I consider important (mail, documents, > music, photos etc) but leave old docs and many old .-files and > .directories behind. > > again - many thanks for your thouights and recommendations > Another note: the upgrade will not convert your existing partitions from what they are now. And on my jaunty box, the upgrade did not upgrade grub from what I can see. clay From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 18:17:09 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:17:09 -0400 Subject: going from 8.04 to 9.10 In-Reply-To: <200910071539.34908.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <4ACC4797.1060209@gmail.com> <4ACC8E9C.8010300@midmaine.com> <4ACC9350.1060706@gmail.com> <200910071539.34908.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <1254939429.2645.15.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 15:39 +0100, David Fletcher wrote: > The two applications > of this sort that I use are subversion and gramps, although the last time I > did a fresh install to a new hard drive my gramps database worked just fine. That reminds me of the old BOFH saw about the backup being successful, but the restore failed. I had a similar problem with Gramps, restoring the backup. I thought I had lost Great Granpa! :) Ric From paul at lemmons.name Wed Oct 7 18:19:43 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:19:43 -0700 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: <4ACCDBBF.8050905@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Staying with Hardy From: Neil Winchurst To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions Date: 10/06/2009 01:20 AM > What are the > implications of staying put with Hardy please? > Thoughts anyone? > > Thanks > > Neil > > In nature, anything that stands still gets eaten... -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's > > the +20 minutes it's crunching my HD. I just want to do "sudo aptitude update > > && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade". > > I *really* hope the update notifier is optimized in Karmic. > > > Is it not a daemon you can stop from running or something such? I am > also annoyed by it as I got it popping up umpteen times when I was using > aptitude for an upgrade "can not get lock of database bla bla bla" Yup, that's it. I remember the days when I could run 8 modems and 12 terminals off of a 486 and still play Doom][ (slow as heck, but it ran!). We didn't have all of the overhead of these "conveniences". Ric From paul at lemmons.name Wed Oct 7 18:28:25 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:28:25 -0700 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> Message-ID: <4ACCDDC9.1030107@lemmons.name> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:Staying with Hardy From: Tony Sivori To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Date: 10/06/2009 10:03 PM > I plan to stay with my near perfect and very customized install of 8.04. > > In my case, the eventual decision to upgrade will probably be driven by > hardware. I'm currently running 32 bit Kubuntu on 64 bit hardware which > limits the machine to 4 GB of ram. > > Not so... install the 32 bit "server: kernel and you can get beyond that limit. Karmic has a PAE kernel for the same purpose. > I'll likely wait to bite the bullet and upgrade the OS and ram when all > updates ends for 8.04. That should have the added advantage that KDE 4.x > will be much more refined by then. > > That should not be long now. And KDE 4.3.2 was released and it appears to be both functional and reliable. -- Sometimes I wonder. Were our faith able to stand upright and look around, would it be looking down at the mustard seed or standing in awe of the height and breadth of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's the rub, I have about 20 filters to search through the data and that doesn't carry over into a CVS file. I posted a bug over a year ago. I can export them one filter at a time, but then I have a pile of duplicates when one member may be checked into several categories. I may have a Church filtered under "Religious/Spiritual" and if they have an Ex-Con outreach program then they would also be checked under "Outreach Program". Or: "Housing", "Family Support", or "Alcohol/Drug Related". None of *all that work* filtering records gets exported in one file. Seems like the categories could be boolean under their column. Just some more comma delineated entries is all. Otherwise I just have over 1,400 names and addresses that don't mean a hill of beans to anyone else. I guess I could be less of a sorehead and just enter them all over again into another app. NOT! Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 18:33:34 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:33:34 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACCDBBF.8050905@lemmons.name> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACCDBBF.8050905@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <1254940414.2645.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 11:19 -0700, Paul Lemmons wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Staying with Hardy > From: Neil Winchurst > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions > Date: 10/06/2009 01:20 AM > > What are the > > implications of staying put with Hardy please? > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > Thanks > > > > Neil > > > > > > > In nature, anything that stands still gets eaten... > > > I'm stealing that one!! Ric From info at alvin.be Thu Oct 8 07:04:07 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin Demeyer) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:04:07 +0200 Subject: Shared calendar In-Reply-To: <200910071105.25067.info@alvin.be> References: <1254776264.4033.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910071105.25067.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <20091008070407.GA4068@alice.alvin.localnet> On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:05:21AM +0200, Alvin wrote: > On Tuesday 06 October 2009 11:45:14 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > Hi RIc, > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 22:57, Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:02 +0200, Alvin wrote: > > > > ... > > > > >> Do I need a Caldav server, do I need Kolab, eGroupware? What's the > > >> (K)Ubuntu preferred way to do this? Should she just have another > > >> calendar and mail me the appointments? 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URL: From info at alvin.be Thu Oct 8 08:33:19 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:33:19 +0200 Subject: Shared calendar In-Reply-To: <20091008070407.GA4068@alice.alvin.localnet> References: <1254776264.4033.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910071105.25067.info@alvin.be> <20091008070407.GA4068@alice.alvin.localnet> Message-ID: <4ACDA3CF.5020904@alvin.be> Alvin Demeyer wrote: > On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:05:21AM +0200, Alvin wrote: >> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 11:45:14 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>> Hi RIc, >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 22:57, Ric Moore wrote: >>>> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:02 +0200, Alvin wrote: >>> ... >>> >>>>> Do I need a Caldav server, do I need Kolab, eGroupware? What's the >>>>> (K)Ubuntu preferred way to do this? Should she just have another >>>>> calendar and mail me the appointments? Do I need to look at Google >>>>> calendar? >>>> I tried Kolab which drug in a bunch of mono. >>> I really wonder how this is possible, as kolab relies on nothing >>> related to mono: >>> >>> aptitude show kolabd >>> [quote] >>> [...] >> I don't see the mono either. On the bright side, there are kolab packages. No >> more compiling and watching out for conflicts with existing packages. I think >> I'll try it out once more. > > ...and it is bitter dissapointment. There are packages, but getting Kolab to work with them is another story. No documentation in sight, and after bootstrapping the admin page is empty. Empty admin page can be solved by using the workaround in Bug 234860 (2008-05-25) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kolab-webadmin/+bug/234860?comments=all Next problem (I really would appreciate tips): I can now see the web interface, but nog log in. It says: Errors: Could not bind to LDAP server: Invalid credentials from /var/log/messages: Unable to bind to `cn=manager,cn=internal,dc=local,dc=alvin,dc=be', LDAP Error = `Invalid credentials' I found a script kolab_bootstrap and ran it. From info at alvin.be Thu Oct 8 08:34:05 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:34:05 +0200 Subject: Shared calendar In-Reply-To: <20091008070407.GA4068@alice.alvin.localnet> References: <1254776264.4033.18.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910071105.25067.info@alvin.be> <20091008070407.GA4068@alice.alvin.localnet> Message-ID: <4ACDA3FD.4070400@alvin.be> Alvin Demeyer wrote: > On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:05:21AM +0200, Alvin wrote: >> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 11:45:14 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>> Hi RIc, >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 22:57, Ric Moore wrote: >>>> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:02 +0200, Alvin wrote: >>> ... >>> >>>>> Do I need a Caldav server, do I need Kolab, eGroupware? What's the >>>>> (K)Ubuntu preferred way to do this? Should she just have another >>>>> calendar and mail me the appointments? Do I need to look at Google >>>>> calendar? >>>> I tried Kolab which drug in a bunch of mono. >>> I really wonder how this is possible, as kolab relies on nothing >>> related to mono: >>> >>> aptitude show kolabd >>> [quote] >>> [...] >> I don't see the mono either. On the bright side, there are kolab packages. No >> more compiling and watching out for conflicts with existing packages. I think >> I'll try it out once more. > > ...and it is bitter dissapointment. There are packages, but getting Kolab to work with them is another story. No documentation in sight, and after bootstrapping the admin page is empty. Empty admin page can be solved by using the workaround in Bug 234860 (2008-05-25) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kolab-webadmin/+bug/234860?comments=all Next problem (I really would appreciate tips): I can now see the web interface, but nog log in. It says: Errors: Could not bind to LDAP server: Invalid credentials from /var/log/messages: Unable to bind to `cn=manager,cn=internal,dc=local,dc=alvin,dc=be', LDAP Error = `Invalid credentials' I found a script kolab_bootstrap and ran it. From magick.crow at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 09:02:07 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:02:07 +0200 Subject: request for free cd In-Reply-To: <570d1c360910080106u30b70affqcd4c726f0fd0fb17@mail.gmail.com> References: <570d1c360910080106u30b70affqcd4c726f0fd0fb17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:06 AM, mithun vijay wrote: > sir ,i would like use your free software > NAME:MITHUN.M > ADDRESS:MITHUN.M >                  SREEVALSAM >                  KORATHA PARAMBU >                  VADAVANNUR >                   PALAKKAD >                 KERALA >                  INDIA-PIN678504 >           I hope u wil send  free cd softwares to me >                                                       by >                                                             mithun > -- This list is for helping users of the free software. To get it try this website. http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/shipit-faq -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 09:12:11 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:12:11 +0200 Subject: Deleting multiple mails Message-ID: <4ACDACEB.7010809@gmail.com> Referrering to KDE 4.3.2 and KMail 1.12.1: when I try to mark several email in the Inbox using the pointer and "shift" button I often get unexpected results. An example: I am on the top email, I move the mouse pointer to an email near the bottom of the email list, hold down Shift and click on it. My expectation is that the the emails from the top "active" mail down to the one indicated will be marked but often it is the ones from "the bottom" of the window and UP to the one I am now clicking on that gets selected. I get different results almost every time unless I mark the whole visible window. This refers to unread emails. If one or several in the visible list have been read I get even more erratic results. And I am not referring to the folder list but the "mails in folder" window whatever it is called. Is this the result of some settings, intentional or a bug of some kind? Anyone knows? Kind regards, Sinclair From myriam at kubuntu.org Thu Oct 8 09:32:29 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:32:29 +0200 Subject: Someones been busy :-) In-Reply-To: <200910070718.00871.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910070801.29886.tanghus@gmail.com> <200910070718.00871.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:18, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > Em Quarta-feira 07 Outubro 2009, Thomas Olsen escreveu: >> Can't wait to see :-) > Yes, and this update broke pt-BR language support for KDE here. Now I > have only english and System Settings -> Regional Settings freezes when > I click it. Any one else has similar problems? This is already solved with another upgrade. Don't forget that you are running a non-released version, so this comes with some drawbacks... One can not repeat it often enough: running non-released software in Alpha or Beta stage should *never* be done on a productive system. If you do so, you do this at your own risk *sigh* Regards, Myriam. -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From mailinglists at invisibleray.com Thu Oct 8 10:09:05 2009 From: mailinglists at invisibleray.com (Laurent Humblet) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:09:05 +0200 Subject: Keyboard repeat delay issue Message-ID: <4ACDBA41.7060404@invisibleray.com> Hi, I'm under KDE 4.3.2 but I'm having this problem for a while now. - my Keyboard repeat 'delay' is set to 220 and the rate is 25.00. That's how I like it and it's been like that since forever. - for the last few weeks (I'd say about 4 weeks now), every time I startup my machine, I have to go into "Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard" and then click on the little arrow beside the keyboard 'delay' field value to go from 220 to 270 and then back to 220 and then click 'Apply' for the delay to be (or to 'feel') 220 again. This means that the Settings interface displays properly the delay of 220 as I always do set it up at each re-install of my machine. - if I unplug my keyboard (USB) and re-plug it again, I have the same problem, KDE seems to take some kind of 'standard' setup and ignore my keyboard 'delay' of 220. Does anybody know what's going on here ? Thank you for your help, Laurent From barnaby at drofle.com Thu Oct 8 11:28:56 2009 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:28:56 +0100 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <1254940414.2645.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACCDBBF.8050905@lemmons.name> <1254940414.2645.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4ACDCCF8.5050500@drofle.com> Ric Moore wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 11:19 -0700, Paul Lemmons wrote: >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Staying with Hardy >> From: Neil Winchurst >> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >> Date: 10/06/2009 01:20 AM >>> What are the >>> implications of staying put with Hardy please? >>> Thoughts anyone? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> >> >> >> In nature, anything that stands still gets eaten... >> >> >> > > I'm stealing that one!! Ric > > > Well, thanks for that. I think that I will stay with Hardy on my desktop and look for a laptop (not notebook) computer to play Karmic with. Thanks for all the replies to my original post guys. Both interesting and helpful. Neil Winchurst From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 11:47:34 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:47:34 +0200 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACDCCF8.5050500@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACCDBBF.8050905@lemmons.name> <1254940414.2645.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACDCCF8.5050500@drofle.com> Message-ID: <4ACDD156.4020400@gmail.com> Neil Winchurst wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 11:19 -0700, Paul Lemmons wrote: >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Staying with Hardy >>> From: Neil Winchurst >>> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions >>> Date: 10/06/2009 01:20 AM >>>> What are the >>>> implications of staying put with Hardy please? >>>> Thoughts anyone? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Neil >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> In nature, anything that stands still gets eaten... >>> >>> >>> >> I'm stealing that one!! Ric >> >> >> > Well, thanks for that. I think that I will stay with Hardy on my desktop > and look for a laptop (not notebook) computer to play Karmic with. > > Thanks for all the replies to my original post guys. Both interesting > and helpful. > What you can do is what I am doing: running Hardy as main and trying out Karmic in a virtual machine. I use Virtualbox with few problems, you may prefer other choice. Doing so I believe has made me appreciate the KDE4 and get me ready to transfer - that I will do some time this month, work and such admitting. Sinclair From barnaby at drofle.com Thu Oct 8 12:05:04 2009 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:05:04 +0100 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACDD156.4020400@gmail.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACCDBBF.8050905@lemmons.name> <1254940414.2645.29.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACDCCF8.5050500@drofle.com> <4ACDD156.4020400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACDD570.4020600@drofle.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > What you can do is what I am doing: running Hardy as main and trying out > Karmic in a virtual machine. I use Virtualbox with few problems, you may > prefer other choice. > > Doing so I believe has made me appreciate the KDE4 and get me ready to > transfer - that I will do some time this month, work and such admitting. > > Sinclair > Yes, I have thought of that and in fact have virtualbox installed. What I did not mention was that I am accused of spending too much time upstairs on my computer. With a laptop I could still be using a computer but with the family too. If I can't find a suitable lappy in time for the arrival of Karmic then I may well try it on VBox after all. Thanks Neil From pwhite at bluewin.ch Thu Oct 8 14:41:47 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:41:47 +0200 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <200910062022.58149.phantom21@mindspring.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <200910062022.58149.phantom21@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200910081641.48296.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Wednesday 07 October 2009 02:22:57 Mark Halegua, vous avez écrit : > Just so you know, I've moved up to jaunty and still use konquerer for my > file manager.  One way to do that is remove dolphin. Why remove Dolphin (I can use both)? > Another way is to > change the parameters when calling konquerer so you have one icon calling > it up as a file manager. I just created right on the desktop, an icon "Konq-files" (sorry I don't remember how I dit it, but I guess I can find this out again) Dolphin does not understant man: xxx but I got used to it Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #51: Cosmic ray particles crashed through the hard disk platter From juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 18:53:20 2009 From: juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:53:20 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu Hangs intermittently. Video goes crazy from time to time. Message-ID: Hi guys, Kubuntu hangs intermittently. This is awful and very uncomfortable. Hardware: Dell Vostro 1520 - Intel dual core 2.20 Ghz - 4 Gb. RAM - Video Intel - Broadcom WiFi. Karmic Koala - latest version installed from daily cd version of Karmic Koala and then updated to the latest packages. The kernel gave the : hpet increasing min_delta_ns from time to time. Then, by time to time I don't receive anything, but I got the video going crazy, hanging the system. Also I got, as a warning or error or advice, from dmesg the following : CPUFREQ: Per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up_threshold This is awful, absolutely awful. And makes impossible to use the system. I tried the following kernels : 2.6.32-020632rc1-generic, 2.6.31, 2.6.31-10-generic and 2.6.30-02063006-generic. Any ideas ?. I read that the problem is with hpet. However I have hpet disabled in Grub2. Thanks. Juan From mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 20:58:53 2009 From: mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com (Martin Laberge) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:58:53 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: <4ACDD570.4020600@drofle.com> References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACDD156.4020400@gmail.com> <4ACDD570.4020600@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200910081658.53828.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> On Thursday 08 October 2009 08:05:04 Neil Winchurst wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > I did not mention was that I am accused of spending too much time > upstairs on my computer. Grave accusation indeed !!! (I have been accused like this, but for downstairs...) (so upstairs or downstairs, it is the word 'computer' that seems to be the constant... Be warned...) -- Martin Laberge mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com *** 30 Years of Unix Admin, and now living *** From derek at pointerstop.ca Thu Oct 8 21:39:42 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:39:42 -0300 Subject: Staying with Hardy References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACDD156.4020400@gmail.com> <4ACDD570.4020600@drofle.com> <200910081658.53828.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: Martin Laberge wrote: > On Thursday 08 October 2009 08:05:04 Neil Winchurst wrote: >> O. Sinclair wrote: > >> I did not mention was that I am accused of spending too much time >> upstairs on my computer. > > Grave accusation indeed !!! > > (I have been accused like this, but for downstairs...) > (so upstairs or downstairs, it is the word 'computer' > that seems to be the constant... Be warned...) Get a laptop, and you can spend all your time on the computer _wherever_ the rest of the family is :-) -- derek From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 03:19:38 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:19:38 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu Hangs intermittently. Video goes crazy from time to time. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1255058378.1122.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 15:53 -0300, Juan Marcelo Rodríguez wrote: > Hi guys, > Kubuntu hangs intermittently. This is awful and very uncomfortable. > > Hardware: Dell Vostro 1520 - Intel dual core 2.20 Ghz - 4 Gb. RAM - > Video Intel - Broadcom WiFi. > > Karmic Koala - latest version installed from daily cd version of > Karmic Koala and then updated to the latest packages. > > The kernel gave the : hpet increasing min_delta_ns from time to time. > Then, by time to time I don't receive anything, but I got the video > going crazy, hanging the system. > > Also I got, as a warning or error or advice, from dmesg the following : > > CPUFREQ: Per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up_threshold > > This is awful, absolutely awful. And makes impossible to use the > system. I tried the following kernels : 2.6.32-020632rc1-generic, > 2.6.31, > 2.6.31-10-generic and 2.6.30-02063006-generic. > > Any ideas ?. I read that the problem is with hpet. However I have hpet > disabled in Grub2. I'm running Karmic but grub2 hasn't been installed. Still running grub. SHOULD I be using grub2?? Ric From mickrulist at voipfuture.com Fri Oct 9 06:56:54 2009 From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:56:54 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Hangs intermittently. Video goes crazy from time to time. In-Reply-To: <1255058378.1122.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1255058378.1122.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4ACEDEB6.8080801@voipfuture.com> For me the same. After the latest update to KDE 4.3.2 on jaunty it seems that e.g. dolphin is extremly effected, by intermitted hang's. This is really annoying... It feels like an incredible slowdown. The systemtray also had problems again this morning rendering all the icons. Only after clicking into the tray they showed all up. Ric Moore schrieb: > On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 15:53 -0300, Juan Marcelo Rodríguez wrote: >> Hi guys, >> Kubuntu hangs intermittently. This is awful and very uncomfortable. >> >> Hardware: Dell Vostro 1520 - Intel dual core 2.20 Ghz - 4 Gb. RAM - >> Video Intel - Broadcom WiFi. >> >> Karmic Koala - latest version installed from daily cd version of >> Karmic Koala and then updated to the latest packages. >> >> The kernel gave the : hpet increasing min_delta_ns from time to time. >> Then, by time to time I don't receive anything, but I got the video >> going crazy, hanging the system. >> >> Also I got, as a warning or error or advice, from dmesg the following : >> >> CPUFREQ: Per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up_threshold >> >> This is awful, absolutely awful. And makes impossible to use the >> system. I tried the following kernels : 2.6.32-020632rc1-generic, >> 2.6.31, >> 2.6.31-10-generic and 2.6.30-02063006-generic. >> >> Any ideas ?. I read that the problem is with hpet. However I have hpet >> disabled in Grub2. > I'm running Karmic but grub2 hasn't been installed. Still running grub. > SHOULD I be using grub2?? Ric > > > > > From asgujju at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 07:24:06 2009 From: asgujju at gmail.com (asit vhora) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:54:06 +0530 Subject: SMB sub folder can't access Message-ID: Hello I am using kubuntu 8.4 as client in my network. We are using Apple SMB server for data sharing. i am able to read and write permission in my apple SMB server storage from my client system (Kubuntu 8.4). I successfully mount SMB server in client system automatically. But when ever i try to make sub folder in storage like ( Storage/Ashit/Ashish ) its creat that but after that i can not access that folder from same system but i can access that folder from my other network system which is working on Win Xp os. So advice me what i have to do i can access Storage, Ashit but i can not access Ashish, which is created by me from same system. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 07:49:15 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:49:15 +0200 Subject: SMB sub folder can't access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACEEAFB.5060802@gmail.com> asit vhora wrote: > Hello > I am using kubuntu 8.4 as client in my network. We are using Apple SMB > server for data sharing. i am able to read and write permission in my > apple SMB server storage from my client system (Kubuntu 8.4). I > successfully mount SMB server in client system automatically. > But when ever i try to make sub folder in storage like ( > Storage/Ashit/Ashish ) its creat that but after that i can not access > that folder from same system but i can access that folder from my other > network system which is working on Win Xp os. So advice me what i have > to do i can access Storage, Ashit but i can not access Ashish, which is > created by me from same system. > I am not sure how you mount your share but for me the by far easiest way to deal with SMB shares have been by installing smb4k and use that for accessing smb shares From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 09:36:06 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:36:06 -0700 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15edeae40910090236w4f035b3fw57f277a3b8295e6a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/6 Thomas Olsen : > Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on Jaunty > other than nuking the file? > -- > Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen > >  Thomas Olsen > > kdesudo software-properties-kde go to the update settings, and set it to not update/download/install anything. won't that help? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 09:57:08 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:57:08 +0200 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <15edeae40910090236w4f035b3fw57f277a3b8295e6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> <15edeae40910090236w4f035b3fw57f277a3b8295e6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACF08F4.6020002@gmail.com> Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/10/6 Thomas Olsen : >> Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on Jaunty >> other than nuking the file? >> -- >> Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen >> >> Thomas Olsen >> >> > > kdesudo software-properties-kde > > go to the update settings, and set it to not update/download/install > anything. won't that help? > > I went to System Settings, Advanced Tab and the Services. Disable the Kpackagekit service. Life is now more peaceful.... Sinclair From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Fri Oct 9 16:59:04 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:59:04 +0200 Subject: KDE4, Nvidia 6600 GT, display errors Message-ID: <200910091859.04977.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Hi, I use Jaunty as 32bit version with a Geforce 6600 GT with 128 MB RAM and the proprietary driver 180.44-0ubuntu1. I guess since I upgraded my screen from 1280x1024 px to 1920x1080 px I get sometimes screen errors as shown on http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4748/bildschirmfoto4mod.png and http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8049/bildschirmfoto6cut.png I do not get any errors in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/X.org* Do you know this problem? TIA Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (*_ Albert Einstein: $ cd /pub/ //\ Few are those who see with their $ more beer V_/_ own eyes and feel with their own hearts. From alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 17:22:21 2009 From: alexander.v.smirnov at gmail.com (Alexander Smirnov) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:22:21 +0400 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACF714D.4090605@gmail.com> Thomas Olsen wrote: > Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on Jaunty > other than nuking the file? > I know two ways: 1. to hide applet: sudo apt-get remove update-notifier-kde 2. to tune update intervals: man apt.conf, search for APT::Periodic parameter From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 9 17:25:08 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:25:08 -0400 Subject: forcing use of vesa driver for x ?? Message-ID: <200910091325.08533.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings; I have 2 boxes that run the machine control program 'emc' One is kubuntu-6.06 LTS and one is ubuntu-8.04 LTS Because the radeon and the nv drivers both lockup the interrupts for extended periods of time, the vesa driver which does not do that, is the driver of choice for this service. All the others play hell with RTAI, messing with the steadiness of the heartbeat going to the motors which in turn can cause a stepper motor to stall, and stalled motors usually=wrecked parts. I just found the 6.06 box has reverted to using the nv driver, which triples the IRQ latencies to the point of making RTAI useless, and I just traced some display problems down to the radeon driver on the new 8.04 LTS box that is a clean install. I have found that my carefully crafted xorg.conf file on the 6.06 machine has been replaced by whatever X now thinks is correct, due to an update I suppose, but which wrecks how this program works, and which wrecks parts being carved. I wrecked 3 parts before I discovered this. I just tried to specify vesa in the device section on the 8.04 install, but the reboot upchucked and it then appears to have re-written the xorg.conf and the backups too, with a default that runs a 1920x1250 capable screen (its a 22" samsung tv in fact) and will not run it at anything above 800x600, grossly fuzzified and totally unusable for the task it must run. So it is imperative that I restore the use of the vesa driver to both of these boxes. How can I restore these two boxes to using the vesa driver, AND prevent X from overwriting these xorg.conf's to suit itself? Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The typical page layout program is nothing more than an electronic light table for cutting and pasting documents. From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Fri Oct 9 17:27:41 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:27:41 +0200 Subject: jar recognized as zip file Message-ID: <200910091927.42030.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Hi, I have jaunty and a problem with file associations: In Dolphin and Konqeror a jar file is reconized as zip file and opened with apps like Ark. But in the file associtions dialog there is the right (default) assosiation to a JRE. See this in http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6285/dolphinjarmod.png It clear that a jar file is a zip file but that is not the purpose. A odt file is a zip file as well but opened with OpenOffice.org. It seems that the Unix tool file seems to recognize this... I have also tested this with another user with the same problem. Do you have an idea? TIA Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (o_ Sallust: (o_ (o_ (o_ //\ Nam idem velle atque idem (\)_(\)_(\)_V_/_ nolle, ea demum firma amicitia est. From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 09:17:56 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:17:56 -0400 Subject: Flashing the bios Message-ID: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Does anyone have experience flashing their bios to upgrade it?? Is this a dicey proposition using Linux? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Ric From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 9 17:54:57 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:54:57 -0400 Subject: Flashing the bios In-Reply-To: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910091354.57767.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 09 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: >Does anyone have experience flashing their bios to upgrade it?? Is this >a dicey proposition using Linux? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Ric > I have several times, but it normally is done from a very elementary floppy boot, or on more recent motherboards via a flashrom facility built right into the bios. For the flashrom stuffs in the bios, put the update on a usb stick, and the bios utility will find it eventually, give it at least a minute to scan the system. If you don't have a UPS on the box, then I'd tend to wait out bad weather that may take the power down while the update is being written to the flashrom, which in turn might brick the board. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Charity, n.: A thing that begins at home and usually stays there. From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Fri Oct 9 18:01:00 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:01:00 -0400 Subject: KDE4, Nvidia 6600 GT, display errors In-Reply-To: <200910091859.04977.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> References: <200910091859.04977.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: <200910091401.00245.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Friday 09 October 2009 12:59:04 pm Martin Bretschneider wrote: > Hi, > > I use Jaunty as 32bit version with a Geforce 6600 GT with 128 MB RAM and > the proprietary driver 180.44-0ubuntu1. I guess since I upgraded my > screen from 1280x1024 px to 1920x1080 px I get sometimes screen errors > as shown on > http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4748/bildschirmfoto4mod.png and > http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8049/bildschirmfoto6cut.png > > I do not get any errors in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/X.org* > > Do you know this problem? > > TIA Martin > I had an nvidia 5400 LE with a similar problem on Hardy. I had to use a different version of the driver. I thought of it as it's an older card, try an older driver. The available packages should be nvidia-glx-173, -96, & -73. Try installing the highest number and work backwards if it doesn't fix the problem. I didn't really notice much difference between them, well except that the display worked. Good luck! -- Alan "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln From jerryturba at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 9 18:10:53 2009 From: jerryturba at sbcglobal.net (jerry) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:10:53 -0700 Subject: Flashing the bios In-Reply-To: <200910091354.57767.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910091354.57767.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4ACF7CAD.6010406@sbcglobal.net> Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 09 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: > >> Does anyone have experience flashing their bios to upgrade it?? Is this >> a dicey proposition using Linux? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Ric >> >> Here is a link to some info about flashing your bios. http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Hardware-Guides/Why-and-How-to-Flash-Your-BIOS/ It is not something where there is no risk. A power outage at the wrong time can ruin your motherboard. Common advice that I have heard is that you should only flash the bios if there is some update that you need, and not to do it routinely. I would suggest that you go to the website of your motherboard maker and see what bios updates are available and if there is any new update that you need. I have done it and if you follow the instructions precisely it is not hard. The danger is a mistake by the user or some unplanned power outage. You may want to use some piece of s*** computer to try it for the practice if you have that available. Jerry From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Fri Oct 9 18:11:24 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:11:24 -0400 Subject: Flashing the bios In-Reply-To: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910091411.24417.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Friday 09 October 2009 05:17:56 am Ric Moore wrote: > Does anyone have experience flashing their bios to upgrade it?? Is this > a dicey proposition using Linux? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Ric > It depends if you can do it from a USB stick. If that is the case, then it's easy since you never go into an operating system, it's all done from the motherboard's code. Basically you just pick the bios's flash option, stick in the usb stick, and reboot. Takes about three minutes if everything goes well. I would take a backup copy of the bios if you can, or confirm that flipping some jumpers would restore the bios to the original version. This saves many headaches if something does not go right. If you have to use windows, there are ways to get a stable version of XP on a "trial" basis. What is the make and model of the motherboard? -- Alan "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln From Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Fri Oct 9 18:19:07 2009 From: Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:19:07 +0200 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing Message-ID: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Hi to all, I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. It does actually...nothing. There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... I can install all the updates with apt... Any ideas? Thanks, Karl From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 18:32:24 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:32:24 +0700 Subject: forcing use of vesa driver for x ?? In-Reply-To: <200910091325.08533.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200910091325.08533.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9844155d0910091132k7861cbdcs8319690f7ff2de6e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > How can I restore these two boxes to using the vesa driver, AND prevent X > from overwriting these xorg.conf's to suit itself? I suggest just to remove whatever driver you does not want, and then rewrite xorg.conf. By doing that, it is impossible for those drivers to be loaded. because it is not even installed. DK From dave at thefletchers.net Fri Oct 9 19:00:15 2009 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:00:15 +0100 Subject: Flashing the bios In-Reply-To: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910092000.15950.dave@thefletchers.net> On Friday 09 October 2009 10:17:56 Ric Moore wrote: > Does anyone have experience flashing their bios to upgrade it?? Is this > a dicey proposition using Linux? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Ric With the Jetway Mini-ITX board I used to build my server I had to find a floppy drive to boot FreeDOS. I think I probably used my Linux PC to copy the flashing utility and the BIOS image onto the floppy, but it was a couple of years back so memory of my method is now hazy. With my desktop machine (ASUS board) it was easy peasy - just copy the BIOS image onto a USB flash drive, get into the BIOS setup screens, insert the flash drive and find the flashing utility. As somebody else said, it's reassuring to have a UPS whilst flashing the BIOS, but I think mainboards like mine generally have recovery facilities so you can fix it if it goes wrong. Dave From juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 19:18:51 2009 From: juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:18:51 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu Hangs intermittently. Video goes crazy from time to time. In-Reply-To: <4ACEDEB6.8080801@voipfuture.com> References: <1255058378.1122.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4ACEDEB6.8080801@voipfuture.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Michael Krueger wrote: > For me the same. After the latest update to KDE 4.3.2 on jaunty it seems that > e.g. dolphin is extremly effected, by intermitted hang's. This is really annoying... > It feels like an incredible slowdown. The systemtray also had problems again > this morning rendering all the icons. Only after clicking into the tray they > showed all up. I'm running now 2.6.31-02063101-generic, and it runs better. The two outputs that I saw as a clue were : CPUFREQ: Per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up_threshold Also : hpet increasing min_delta_ns I read over some bug lists and bug trackers that the problem is with different hardware, and somehow common with Dell hardware. While there's no official solution, I found that by adding hpet=disable to grub, it works better, and I'm not getting the advice in dmesg nor the blinky awful screen. To solve this, edit /etc/default/grub and modify the following line : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash hpet=disable" The hpet=disable parameter apparently solves this issue. I read over there, that some guys solved this that way, without blinks or hangs for over two weeks. Best. Juan > > > Ric Moore schrieb: >> On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 15:53 -0300, Juan Marcelo Rodríguez wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> Kubuntu hangs intermittently. This is awful and very uncomfortable. >>> >>> Hardware: Dell Vostro 1520 - Intel dual core 2.20 Ghz - 4 Gb. RAM - >>> Video Intel - Broadcom WiFi. >>> >>> Karmic Koala - latest version installed from daily cd version of >>> Karmic Koala and then updated to the latest packages. >>> >>> The kernel gave the : hpet increasing min_delta_ns from time to time. >>> Then, by time to time I don't receive anything, but I got the video >>> going crazy, hanging the system. >>> >>> Also I got, as a warning or error or advice, from dmesg the following : >>> >>> CPUFREQ: Per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up_threshold >>> >>> This is awful, absolutely awful. And makes impossible to use the >>> system. I tried the following kernels : 2.6.32-020632rc1-generic, >>> 2.6.31, >>> 2.6.31-10-generic and 2.6.30-02063006-generic. >>> >>> Any ideas ?. I read that the problem is with hpet. However I have hpet >>> disabled in Grub2. >> I'm running Karmic but grub2 hasn't been installed. Still running grub. >> SHOULD I be using grub2?? Ric >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From rayburke30 at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 20:01:29 2009 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:01:29 +1100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 Message-ID: I want to be able to run a windows .exe program on my kde 3.5 Kubuntu 8.04, as I have it loaded in the program files in wine but cant execute it? ray From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 20:01:53 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy Hamra) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:01:53 -0700 Subject: Flashing the bios In-Reply-To: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <15edeae40910091301t34b8e051tc88eedf36b0f49b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/9 Ric Moore : > Does anyone have experience flashing their bios to upgrade it?? Is this > a dicey proposition using Linux? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Ric > > it doesn't depend on the OS, this is an OS-independent thing. my experience has been mostly with intel boards. intel provide a nice executable to run from Windows and flash the BIOS, but not for other OSes. and in all cases, i never used it. i always find it the easiest to use the board's recovery feature. i can boot a DOS disk, or a windows PE disk, and flash the bios, but i don't have to. i simply out the .bio file alone on a CD, shut down the computer, open the case, look for the BIOS jumper, it can be set to normal, configuration, or remove the jumper for recovery mode. i start the computer (CD already still in it), in recovery mode, the computer does nothing but look for a removable media with a valid bios file, checks it for compatibility, and flashes. you have to wait a couple of minutes, and it will say when it's done. this way of flashing has the advantage of being able to supply a custom BIOS. intel have a program for editing .bio files, change defaults, splash image, lock some settings (very valuable when selling a computer that i don't want buyers to tamper with its optimized settings and complain later on) again, this all depends on board features, foxconn boards can be very simple to edit using a windows tol that can edit the BIOS live from windows, or through flashing. -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Oct 9 20:08:07 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:08:07 -0400 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ACF9827.9010504@gatech.edu> ray burke wrote: > I want to be able to run a windows .exe program on my kde 3.5 Kubuntu 8.04, > as I have it loaded in the program files in wine but cant execute it? Generally, you install a Windows program in wine with: wine setup.exe Of course, you would replace setup.exe with the installation program for this particular Windows program. Then, you can run programs from the Wine menu. How did you install the program exactly, and what happens if/when you try to run it? Matt Flaschen From rayburke30 at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 20:14:56 2009 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:14:56 +1100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4ACF9827.9010504@gatech.edu> References: <4ACF9827.9010504@gatech.edu> Message-ID: On 10/10/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > ray burke wrote: > > I want to be able to run a windows .exe program on my kde 3.5 Kubuntu 8.04, > > as I have it loaded in the program files in wine but cant execute it? > > > Generally, you install a Windows program in wine with: > > wine setup.exe > > Of course, you would replace setup.exe with the installation program for > this particular Windows program. Then, you can run programs from the > Wine menu. How did you install the program exactly, and what happens > if/when you try to run it? > > Matt Flaschen > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Matt Flaschen how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? ray From muzerakascooby at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 20:18:20 2009 From: muzerakascooby at gmail.com (Muzer) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:18:20 +0100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: <4ACF9827.9010504@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4ACF9A8C.9080209@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ray burke wrote: > On 10/10/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> ray burke wrote: >> > I want to be able to run a windows .exe program on my kde 3.5 Kubuntu 8.04, >> > as I have it loaded in the program files in wine but cant execute it? >> >> >> Generally, you install a Windows program in wine with: >> >> wine setup.exe >> >> Of course, you would replace setup.exe with the installation program for >> this particular Windows program. Then, you can run programs from the >> Wine menu. How did you install the program exactly, and what happens >> if/when you try to run it? >> >> Matt Flaschen >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > Matt Flaschen > > how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? > > ray > When you're in the file manager, press F4, and type it into the box that appears at the bottom. Press F4 once you're done to get rid of it again. - -- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a---- C+++ UL+++>++++ P+>+++ L+++>+++++ E---->--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? 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In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910091132k7861cbdcs8319690f7ff2de6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910091325.08533.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <9844155d0910091132k7861cbdcs8319690f7ff2de6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910091656.07452.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 09 October 2009, David Kuntadi wrote: >On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> How can I restore these two boxes to using the vesa driver, AND prevent X >> from overwriting these xorg.conf's to suit itself? > >I suggest just to remove whatever driver you does not want, and then >rewrite xorg.conf. By doing that, it is impossible for those drivers >to be loaded. because it is not even installed. > >DK > I thought of that, but if it doesn't find the nv or ati on those machines, would it fallback to vesa, and do it at better than 800x600? That is at best a fuggly screen, redefining fuzz to a whole new level. And since it rewrote everything that resembles an xorg.conf on the 8.04 machine, how would I go about restoring the defaults when it has no clue about the monitor? Its a Samsung tv, hidef lcd 22" whose tuner has gone funkity, but the pc socket works great? Rename them all to variations of "not-samsung.conf.date" and restart? This would be a whole lot easier if I reset init to 3, so a failed startx doesn't hammer around for 3 minutes before it gives up. Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Confess your sins to the Lord and you will be forgiven; confess them to man and you will be laughed at. -- Josh Billings From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 21:04:31 2009 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:04:31 +0100 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20091009220431.132897c1.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:19:07 +0200 Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: KV> I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. KV> It does actually...nothing. KV> KV> There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... KV> I can install all the updates with apt... KV> KV> Any ideas? There are lots of problems with kpackagekit. Try installing adept (sudo apt-get install adept) and using that instead -- it's not the worlds best interface (IMHO the best package manager interface is the shaman manager from Chakra) but it's a lot more functional than kpackagekit. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Oct 9 21:17:18 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:17:18 -0500 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: <20091009220431.132897c1.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> <20091009220431.132897c1.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4ACFA85E.9010805@swbell.net> James Tappin wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:19:07 +0200 > Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > > KV> I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. > KV> It does actually...nothing. > KV> > KV> There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... > KV> I can install all the updates with apt... > KV> > KV> Any ideas? > > There are lots of problems with kpackagekit. > > Try installing adept (sudo apt-get install adept) and using that instead > -- it's not the worlds best interface (IMHO the best package manager > interface is the shaman manager from Chakra) but it's a lot more > functional than kpackagekit. > > > Synaptic is _WAY_ better than what they've turned Adept into. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away Sent with Thunderbird on my Kubuntu Linux Desktop From yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com Fri Oct 9 21:47:41 2009 From: yorvik.ubunto at googlemail.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:47:41 +0100 Subject: forcing use of vesa driver for x ?? In-Reply-To: <200910091656.07452.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200910091325.08533.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <9844155d0910091132k7861cbdcs8319690f7ff2de6e@mail.gmail.com> <200910091656.07452.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:56:07 +0100, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 09 October 2009, David Kuntadi wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gene Heskett >> > wrote: >>> How can I restore these two boxes to using the vesa driver, AND >>> prevent X >>> from overwriting these xorg.conf's to suit itself? >> >> I suggest just to remove whatever driver you does not want, and then >> rewrite xorg.conf. By doing that, it is impossible for those drivers >> to be loaded. because it is not even installed. >> >> DK >> > I thought of that, but if it doesn't find the nv or ati on those > machines, > would it fallback to vesa, and do it at better than 800x600? That is at > best > a fuggly screen, redefining fuzz to a whole new level. > > And since it rewrote everything that resembles an xorg.conf on the 8.04 > machine, how would I go about restoring the defaults when it has no clue > about the monitor? Its a Samsung tv, hidef lcd 22" whose tuner has gone > funkity, but the pc socket works great? Rename them all to variations of > "not-samsung.conf.date" and restart? > > This would be a whole lot easier if I reset init to 3, so a failed startx > doesn't hammer around for 3 minutes before it gives up. > > Thanks. > Could you write protect xorg.conf, once you've got it working properly. -- Steve From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 10 00:17:01 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:17:01 -0400 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200910092017.02073.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Friday 09 October 2009 02:19:07 pm Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > Hi to all, > > I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. > It does actually...nothing. > > There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... > I can install all the updates with apt... > > Any ideas? > > > Thanks, > Karl > if you update manually, ie run: $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade You should find that Karmic's KPackageKit will begin to work just fine, it seems to have been fixed recently since after the beta was released. Clay From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 10 00:24:58 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:24:58 -0400 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4ACF9A8C.9080209@gmail.com> References: <4ACF9A8C.9080209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910092024.58517.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Friday 09 October 2009 04:18:20 pm Muzer wrote: > ray burke wrote: > > On 10/10/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> ray burke wrote: > >> > I want to be able to run a windows .exe program on my kde 3.5 Kubuntu > >> > 8.04, as I have it loaded in the program files in wine but cant > >> > execute it? > >> > >> Generally, you install a Windows program in wine with: > >> > >> wine setup.exe > >> > >> Of course, you would replace setup.exe with the installation program > >> for this particular Windows program. Then, you can run programs from > >> the Wine menu. How did you install the program exactly, and what > >> happens if/when you try to run it? > >> > >> Matt Flaschen > > > > Matt Flaschen > > > > how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? > > > > ray > > When you're in the file manager, press F4, and type it into the box that > appears at the bottom. Press F4 once you're done to get rid of it again. > have you tried to simply double-click the .exe? Wine will automatically try to run it if it can. I think, in my opinion, that if a windows app won't open or install that way, it will most likely be too much of a hassle to try to get running. If you are super lucky, wine will even create menu entries for the app (even if it doesn't run sometimes) clay From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 10 01:44:54 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:44:54 -0400 Subject: forcing use of vesa driver for x ?? In-Reply-To: References: <200910091325.08533.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200910091656.07452.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200910092144.54139.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 09 October 2009, Steve wrote: >On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:56:07 +0100, Gene Heskett > > wrote: >> On Friday 09 October 2009, David Kuntadi wrote: >>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gene Heskett >>> >> >> wrote: >>>> How can I restore these two boxes to using the vesa driver, AND >>>> prevent X >>>> from overwriting these xorg.conf's to suit itself? >>> >>> I suggest just to remove whatever driver you does not want, and then >>> rewrite xorg.conf. By doing that, it is impossible for those drivers >>> to be loaded. because it is not even installed. >>> >>> DK >> >> I thought of that, but if it doesn't find the nv or ati on those >> machines, >> would it fallback to vesa, and do it at better than 800x600? That is at >> best >> a fuggly screen, redefining fuzz to a whole new level. >> >> And since it rewrote everything that resembles an xorg.conf on the 8.04 >> machine, how would I go about restoring the defaults when it has no clue >> about the monitor? Its a Samsung tv, hidef lcd 22" whose tuner has gone >> funkity, but the pc socket works great? Rename them all to variations of >> "not-samsung.conf.date" and restart? >> >> This would be a whole lot easier if I reset init to 3, so a failed startx >> doesn't hammer around for 3 minutes before it gives up. >> >> Thanks. > >Could you write protect xorg.conf, once you've got it working properly. > That, and mark it immutable. :) But its currently washing the roads (hopefully not out in places) around here, so I'm settled into this chair for the night. And I got parts for the bandsaw this 8.04 box is going to run, so getting those installed and tweaked were on the front burner this afternoon before it got wet out. I also posted to the xorg list, but my post seems to have gotten lost somewhere. Thanks. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. c++: the power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 02:11:58 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:11:58 -0400 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <4ACF08F4.6020002@gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> <15edeae40910090236w4f035b3fw57f277a3b8295e6a@mail.gmail.com> <4ACF08F4.6020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1255140718.2584.24.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 11:57 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > Willy Hamra wrote: > > 2009/10/6 Thomas Olsen : > >> Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on Jaunty > >> other than nuking the file? > >> -- > >> Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen > >> > >> Thomas Olsen > >> > >> > > > > kdesudo software-properties-kde > > > > go to the update settings, and set it to not update/download/install > > anything. won't that help? > > > > > I went to System Settings, Advanced Tab and the Services. Disable the > Kpackagekit service. Life is now more peaceful.... > > Sinclair THANKS! And, I found "Power Devil" which I unchecked to see if this will stop my monitor from being dinked with. I can but hope. Ric From glyphe at comcast.net Sat Oct 10 04:22:50 2009 From: glyphe at comcast.net (glyphe) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:22:50 -0700 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4AD00C1A.3080402@comcast.net> Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > Hi to all, > > I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. > It does actually...nothing. > > There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... > I can install all the updates with apt... > > Any ideas? > > > Thanks, > Karl > > Does it prompt you for a password when you try to install a file? If not, based on what you're saying, you are probably experiencing bug 353478. Many new installations of 9.10 are having an issue with policykit. A good indicator is if you are also having problems with policykit authorizations in system settings. Try "sudo aptitude install policykit" and give it a whirl and see if that helps. Douglas From cschult at gmx.de Sat Oct 10 07:32:30 2009 From: cschult at gmx.de (Christian Schult) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:32:30 +0200 Subject: jar recognized as zip file In-Reply-To: <200910091927.42030.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> References: <200910091927.42030.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: <20091010073230.GA30732@jazz.cocis.de> Hello Martin, Martin Bretschneider wrote: > I have jaunty and a problem with file associations: In Dolphin and > Konqeror a jar file is reconized as zip file and opened with apps like > Ark. But in the file associtions dialog there is the right (default) > assosiation to a JRE. See this in > http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6285/dolphinjarmod.png Did you look for the file associations for x-java-archive? Christian From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Sat Oct 10 08:01:20 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:01:20 +0200 Subject: KDE4, Nvidia 6600 GT, display errors In-Reply-To: <200910091401.00245.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> References: <200910091859.04977.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> <200910091401.00245.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <200910101001.21352.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Am Freitag, 9. Oktober 2009 schrieb Alan Dacey Sr.: > On Friday 09 October 2009 12:59:04 pm Martin Bretschneider wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I use Jaunty as 32bit version with a Geforce 6600 GT with 128 MB > > RAM and the proprietary driver 180.44-0ubuntu1. I guess since I > > upgraded my screen from 1280x1024 px to 1920x1080 px I get > > sometimes screen errors as shown on > > http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4748/bildschirmfoto4mod.png and > > http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8049/bildschirmfoto6cut.png > > > > I do not get any errors in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/X.org* > > > > Do you know this problem? > > > > TIA Martin > > I had an nvidia 5400 LE with a similar problem on Hardy. I had to > use a different version of the driver. I thought of it as it's an > older card, try an older driver. > The available packages should be nvidia-glx-173, -96, & -73. Try > installing the highest number and work backwards if it doesn't fix > the problem. I didn't really notice much difference between them, > well except that the display worked. > Good luck! No, the 6600 GT is not a legacy device, so the default driver is used. Maybe the new driver in Karmic is better... Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 _o)(o_ Philip R. Zimmermann: -./\\//\.- If privacy is outlawed, _\_VV_/_ only outlaws will have privacy. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sat Oct 10 08:26:47 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:26:47 +0800 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well Message-ID: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for show. Dotan, please pull whoever's strings you can for kdm. From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 08:51:22 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:51:22 +0200 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <15edeae40910090236w4f035b3fw57f277a3b8295e6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> <15edeae40910090236w4f035b3fw57f277a3b8295e6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910101051.22815.tanghus@gmail.com> On 9/10-2009 11:36 Willy Hamra wrote: > 2009/10/6 Thomas Olsen : > > Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on > > Jaunty other than nuking the file? > > -- > > Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen > > > > Thomas Olsen > > kdesudo software-properties-kde > > go to the update settings, and set it to not update/download/install > anything. won't that help? > Thanks for all the good suggestions. I'll try them today. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 08:55:21 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:55:21 +0200 Subject: update-notifier-kde In-Reply-To: <4ACF08F4.6020002@gmail.com> References: <200910070819.21436.tanghus@gmail.com> <15edeae40910090236w4f035b3fw57f277a3b8295e6a@mail.gmail.com> <4ACF08F4.6020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910101055.21565.tanghus@gmail.com> On 9/10-2009 11:57 "O. Sinclair" wrote: > Willy Hamra wrote: > > 2009/10/6 Thomas Olsen : > >> Is there any way to *totally* stop update-notifier-kde from running on > >> Jaunty other than nuking the file? > >> -- > >> Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen > >> > >> Thomas Olsen > > > > kdesudo software-properties-kde > > > > go to the update settings, and set it to not update/download/install > > anything. won't that help? > > I went to System Settings, Advanced Tab and the Services. Disable the > Kpackagekit service. Life is now more peaceful.... Is that System Settings=>Advanced=>Service Manager? I have no KPackageKit service listed there. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Oct 10 09:14:07 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:14:07 +0200 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 > > Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more > responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, > while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for > show. > this is the beauty of Linux, if gdm/gnome suits you better, there is no one stopping you from using it. Btw. on a multiuser desktop machine (you wrote this in the bugreport), do you really need to work with an via/openchrome chipset/motherboard? Kind regards Eberhard From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Sat Oct 10 09:37:32 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:37:32 +0200 Subject: jar recognized as zip file In-Reply-To: <20091010073230.GA30732@jazz.cocis.de> References: <200910091927.42030.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> <20091010073230.GA30732@jazz.cocis.de> Message-ID: <200910101137.33280.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Am Samstag, 10. Oktober 2009 schrieb Christian Schult: Hi Christian, > Martin Bretschneider wrote: > > I have jaunty and a problem with file associations: In Dolphin and > > Konqeror a jar file is reconized as zip file and opened with apps > > like Ark. But in the file associtions dialog there is the right > > (default) assosiation to a JRE. See this in > > http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6285/dolphinjarmod.png > > Did you look for the file associations for x-java-archive? Ok, there is Ark the first one, then the JREs. But if I change it, the file is still recognied as zip file and KDE does not seem to care about the MIME type. Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (*_ Sallust: $ cd /pub/ //\ Nam idem velle atque idem $ more beer V_/_ nolle, ea demum firma amicitia est. From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Sat Oct 10 10:29:56 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:29:56 +0100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD06224.7020800@btinternet.com> Re: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 On Friday 09 October 2009 04:18:20 pm Muzer wrote: > > ray burke wrote: > >> > > On 10/10/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> >>> > >> ray burke wrote: >>> > >> > I want to be able to run a windows .exe program on my kde 3.5 >>> Kubuntu >>> > >> > 8.04, as I have it loaded in the program files in wine but cant >>> > >> > execute it? >>> > >> >>> > >> Generally, you install a Windows program in wine with: >>> > >> >>> > >> wine setup.exe >>> > >> >>> > >> Of course, you would replace setup.exe with the installation program >>> > >> for this particular Windows program. Then, you can run programs from >>> > >> the Wine menu. How did you install the program exactly, and what >>> > >> happens if/when you try to run it? >>> > >> >>> > >> Matt Flaschen >>> >> > > >> > > Matt Flaschen >> > > >> > > how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? >> > > >> > > ray >> > > > > When you're in the file manager, press F4, and type it into the box that > > appears at the bottom. Press F4 once you're done to get rid of it again. > > > have you tried to simply double-click the .exe? Wine will automatically try to run it if it can. I think, in my opinion, that if a windows app won't open or install that way, it will most likely be too much of a hassle to try to get running. If you are super lucky, wine will even create menu entries for the app (even if it doesn't run sometimes) clay. ------------------- I've got 9.04 on a 64b AMD. I have tried all the suggested variations, all produce the same symptoms: on the console: $wine /media/cdrom0/setup.exe gives me a pop-up: ------------------------------------------ MDAC was updated. Your system will reboot to complete the update. After your system reboots setup.exe will continue. --------------------------------------------------------------- when I click OK in the pop-up, I get multiple fixme:odbc:SQLRemoveDriveManager on the console - the whole thing is in an continuous loop, Only way out is Cont-C, kill -9 blah, or reboot. I tried rebooting myself as the pop-up was lying, but no good - still the same continuous loop after the wine ... command. Any clues? or should I just forget it, as Clay says - or is there a simple fix for simpleton like me? brian ----------------- From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sat Oct 10 11:24:53 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:24:53 +0800 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >> Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 >> >> Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more >> responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, >> while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for >> show. >> >> > this is the beauty of Linux, > if gdm/gnome suits you better, there is no one stopping you > from using it. > > Btw. on a multiuser desktop machine (you wrote this in the > bugreport), do you really need to work with an > via/openchrome chipset/motherboard? > Yes. Donated hardware. Athlon XP too. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sat Oct 10 11:29:03 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:29:03 +0800 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <4AD06FFF.6030807@bradbury.edu.hk> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >> Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 >> >> Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more >> responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, >> while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for >> show. >> >> > this is the beauty of Linux, > if gdm/gnome suits you better, there is no one stopping you > from using it. > I'd rather have a working kdm/responsive KDE. From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 12:02:59 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:02:59 +0700 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4AD06224.7020800@btinternet.com> References: <4AD06224.7020800@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9844155d0910100502y16a7b653v7b795fc04d9153e4@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > ------------------- > I've got 9.04 on a 64b AMD. > > I have tried all the suggested variations, all produce the same symptoms: > on the console: > > $wine /media/cdrom0/setup.exe > > gives me a pop-up: > ------------------------------------------ > MDAC was updated. Your system will reboot to complete the update. After > your system > reboots setup.exe will continue. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > when I click OK in the pop-up, I get multiple > > fixme:odbc:SQLRemoveDriveManager > > on the console - the whole thing is in an continuous loop, Only way out > is Cont-C, kill -9 blah, What do you want to install/run? DK From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Sat Oct 10 13:42:27 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:42:27 -0400 Subject: KDE4, Nvidia 6600 GT, display errors In-Reply-To: <200910101001.21352.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> References: <200910091859.04977.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> <200910091401.00245.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> <200910101001.21352.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: <200910100942.27837.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Saturday 10 October 2009 04:01:20 am Martin Bretschneider wrote: > Am Freitag, 9. Oktober 2009 schrieb Alan Dacey Sr.: > > On Friday 09 October 2009 12:59:04 pm Martin Bretschneider wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I use Jaunty as 32bit version with a Geforce 6600 GT with 128 MB > > > RAM and the proprietary driver 180.44-0ubuntu1. I guess since I > > > upgraded my screen from 1280x1024 px to 1920x1080 px I get > > > sometimes screen errors as shown on > > > http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4748/bildschirmfoto4mod.png and > > > http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8049/bildschirmfoto6cut.png > > > > > > I do not get any errors in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/X.org* > > > > > > Do you know this problem? > > > > > > TIA Martin > > > > I had an nvidia 5400 LE with a similar problem on Hardy. I had to > > use a different version of the driver. I thought of it as it's an > > older card, try an older driver. > > The available packages should be nvidia-glx-173, -96, & -73. Try > > installing the highest number and work backwards if it doesn't fix > > the problem. I didn't really notice much difference between them, > > well except that the display worked. > > Good luck! > > No, the 6600 GT is not a legacy device, so the default driver is used. > Maybe the new driver in Karmic is better... > > Martin > True, but it is still worth a try. It only takes a few seconds to install and a minute so to log out and restart the X server. If you can wait then the 185 driver is available in Karmic. -- Alan "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Oct 10 14:01:44 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:01:44 +0200 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> >>> Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 >>> >>> Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more >>> responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, >>> while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for >>> show. >>> >>> >> this is the beauty of Linux, >> if gdm/gnome suits you better, there is no one stopping you >> from using it. >> >> Btw. on a multiuser desktop machine (you wrote this in the >> bugreport), do you really need to work with an >> via/openchrome chipset/motherboard? >> > Yes. Donated hardware. Athlon XP too. > ok, then I understand. When the hardware has been donated, you are lucky. If it is not mini/micro/whatever small via hardware, maybe you can buy an elcheapo nvidia card, also buying secondhand will do greatly. Relating to your other mail, I guess your kde feeling will improve massively from another graphics board, as well. Kind regards Eberhard From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Oct 10 14:04:57 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:04:57 +0200 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910100502y16a7b653v7b795fc04d9153e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AD06224.7020800@btinternet.com> <9844155d0910100502y16a7b653v7b795fc04d9153e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: David Kuntadi wrote: >> fixme:odbc:SQLRemoveDriveManager >> >> on the console - the whole thing is in an continuous loop, Only way out >> is Cont-C, kill -9 blah, > > What do you want to install/run? > > DK > And after you know what you want to run ;-)), have a look at the wine app database for hints whether the windows app of your choice will work, how it can possibly be installed and more interesting things. ER From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sat Oct 10 14:25:06 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:25:06 +0800 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> >>> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga >>>> >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 >>>> >>>> Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more >>>> responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, >>>> while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for >>>> show. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> this is the beauty of Linux, >>> if gdm/gnome suits you better, there is no one stopping you >>> from using it. >>> >>> Btw. on a multiuser desktop machine (you wrote this in the >>> bugreport), do you really need to work with an >>> via/openchrome chipset/motherboard? >>> >>> >> Yes. Donated hardware. Athlon XP too. >> >> > ok, then I understand. When the hardware has been donated, > you are lucky. If it is not mini/micro/whatever small via > hardware, maybe you can buy an elcheapo nvidia card, also > buying secondhand will do greatly. > :-D. In Hong Kong, where we THROW good working stuff away and replace with new fancy stuff (oh, and we never use the fancy stuff too) as a matter of course? Maybe people here have stopped that with the financial crises of late but I'd have to be very lucky to find an AGP board. > Relating to your other mail, I guess your kde feeling will > improve massively from another graphics board, as well. > > Man, I was hearing all these stories about how KDE4 had a smaller footprint than GNOME and KDE3 and also how good qt4 was and BANG! KDE4 is slow and kiosktool, the only group based desktop management tool there is on Linux, had not been ported. Please forgive me if I feel kind of cheated. From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Oct 10 15:18:27 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:18:27 -0500 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4AD06224.7020800@btinternet.com> References: <4AD06224.7020800@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <200910101018.27783.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Saturday 10 October 2009 05:29:56 am Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > Re: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for > Kubuntu 8.04 > > On Friday 09 October 2009 04:18:20 pm Muzer wrote: > > > > ray burke wrote: > > > >> > > On 10/10/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> > >>> > >> ray burke wrote: > >>> > >> > I want to be able to run a windows .exe program on my kde 3.5 > >>> > Kubuntu > >>> > >> > 8.04, as I have it loaded in the program files in wine but cant > >>> > >> > execute it? > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Generally, you install a Windows program in wine with: > >>> > >> > >>> > >> wine setup.exe > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Of course, you would replace setup.exe with the installation program > >>> > >> for this particular Windows program. Then, you can run programs from > >>> > >> the Wine menu. How did you install the program exactly, and what > >>> > >> happens if/when you try to run it? > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Matt Flaschen > >>> > >> > > > >> > > Matt Flaschen > >> > > > >> > > how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? > >> > > > >> > > ray > >> > > > > > > When you're in the file manager, press F4, and type it into the box that > > > appears at the bottom. Press F4 once you're done to get rid of it again. > > > > > > have you tried to simply double-click the .exe? Wine will automatically > try to run it if it can. I think, in my opinion, that if a windows app > won't open or install that way, it will most likely be too much of a > hassle to try to get running. If you are super lucky, wine will even > create menu entries for the app (even if it doesn't run sometimes) clay. > > ------------------- > I've got 9.04 on a 64b AMD. > > I have tried all the suggested variations, all produce the same symptoms: > on the console: > > $wine /media/cdrom0/setup.exe > > gives me a pop-up: > ------------------------------------------ > MDAC was updated. Your system will reboot to complete the update. After > your system > reboots setup.exe will continue. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > when I click OK in the pop-up, I get multiple > > fixme:odbc:SQLRemoveDriveManager > > on the console - the whole thing is in an continuous loop, Only way out > is Cont-C, kill -9 blah, > or reboot. I tried rebooting myself as the pop-up was lying, but no good > - still the same > continuous loop after the wine ... command. > Any clues? or should I just forget it, as Clay says - or is there a > simple fix for simpleton > like me? > brian > ----------------- > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > It is well known that wine is NOT able to run ALL win-doze applications. Perhaps you are looking at one of those which it simply can NOT run. The only way to "have your kate and edith too" is through virtualization. VirtualBox is an open-source option; VMWare is a proprietary or commercial option. Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sat Oct 10 15:35:44 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:35:44 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACDD156.4020400@gmail.com> <4ACDD570.4020600@drofle.com> <200910081658.53828.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would appear that on Oct 8, Derek Broughton did say: > Martin Laberge wrote: > > On Thursday 08 October 2009 08:05:04 Neil Winchurst wrote: > >> O. Sinclair wrote: > > > >> I did not mention was that I am accused of spending too much time > >> upstairs on my computer. > > > > Grave accusation indeed !!! > > > > (I have been accused like this, but for downstairs...) > > (so upstairs or downstairs, it is the word 'computer' > > that seems to be the constant... Be warned...) > > Get a laptop, and you can spend all your time on the computer _wherever_ the > rest of the family is :-) I too have been so accused. I tried the laptop solution and it didn't seem to help. Every time I'd get interested in something on my screen, "SHE" would detect it and ask me some trick question related to what "SHE" was watching on the TV, or otherwise see if it took more than a nanosecond to get my full attention etc... I found that using the laptop where "SHE" is resulted in more resentment than if I spent the time at my desk... I think it's because when I'm using the computer at my desk, it only bugs her when she thinks of me, and realizes where I am. When I'm using the computer in her sight, she doesn't stop thinking about it, and spends the whole time feeling jealous... Hopefully the OP's mileage will vary. ;-) -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sat Oct 10 15:39:56 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:39:56 +0800 Subject: grub error 18 In-Reply-To: <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AB6421E.2090501@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210948.19211.kassube@gmx.net> <4AB734D1.5020000@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210729.52544.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AB964E1.5040506@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> Christopher Chan wrote: > Goh Lip wrote: > >> Christopher Chan wrote: >> >> >>>> Ah, let's not take things too seriously. >>>> >>>> May you be happy and prosper. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Yeah, I understand that sometime it is kinda hard to imagine what the >>> problem a person might be having and when something else 'fixes' the >>> problem, you'd rather not bother anymore. >>> >>> >> You fixed the problem? >> >> >> > > The weekend is only three days away. > > Woohoo, now that I have that annoying logout problem out of the way, it is back to grub. To conclude, it appears that I will have just reinstall and put /boot in its own partition. I don't know what the Linux kernel does but after it loads up once, all subsequent warm reboots will not suffer from the problem. Once you shutdown the machine, that is it. grub 1.5 error 18. So I take it all back about something reinstalling grub at shutdown time. In case Goh Lip is wondering whether this old man decided to give grub2 a spin, the answer is yes I did. It appears that Goh Lip thinks way too highly of grub2 or at least of the version that comes with Jaunty repository. grub2 could not get past the problem too. I get 'out of disk' error and I am dropped into the grub recovery console. In case you are wondering, lsmod says pc and ext2 are loaded. So much for grub2. Time to look at any possible ext3 resizing solutions before going through a complete reinstall. From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Oct 10 15:53:20 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:53:20 +0200 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: >> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> >>> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>> >>>> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga >>>>> >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 >>>>> >>>>> Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more >>>>> responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, >>>>> while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for >>>>> show. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> this is the beauty of Linux, >>>> if gdm/gnome suits you better, there is no one stopping you >>>> from using it. >>>> >>>> Btw. on a multiuser desktop machine (you wrote this in the >>>> bugreport), do you really need to work with an >>>> via/openchrome chipset/motherboard? >>>> >>>> >>> Yes. Donated hardware. Athlon XP too. >>> >>> >> ok, then I understand. When the hardware has been donated, >> you are lucky. If it is not mini/micro/whatever small via >> hardware, maybe you can buy an elcheapo nvidia card, also >> buying secondhand will do greatly. >> > :-D. In Hong Kong, where we THROW good working stuff away and replace > with new fancy stuff (oh, and we never use the fancy stuff too) as a > matter of course? ;-)) > > Maybe people here have stopped that with the financial crises of late > but I'd have to be very lucky to find an AGP board. >> Relating to your other mail, I guess your kde feeling will >> improve massively from another graphics board, as well. Well, there must be ways to obtain one, maybe via ebay? >> >> > Man, I was hearing all these stories about how KDE4 had a smaller > footprint than GNOME and KDE3 and also how good qt4 was and BANG! KDE4 > is slow and kiosktool, the only group based desktop management tool > there is on Linux, had not been ported. > > > Please forgive me if I feel kind of cheated. > No need for excuses. While starting KDE4 development has been the right thing to do, the way it was introduced has been the failure of the century, at least up to now, imho.;-( Eberhard From barnaby at drofle.com Sat Oct 10 16:38:52 2009 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:38:52 +0100 Subject: Staying with Hardy In-Reply-To: References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACDD156.4020400@gmail.com> <4ACDD570.4020600@drofle.com> <200910081658.53828.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD0B89C.7060801@drofle.com> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > I too have been so accused. I tried the laptop solution and it didn't seem> It would appear that on Oct 8, Derek Broughton did say: > >> Martin Laberge wrote: >>> On Thursday 08 October 2009 08:05:04 Neil Winchurst wrote: >>>> O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> I did not mention was that I am accused of spending too much time >>>> upstairs on my computer. >>> Grave accusation indeed !!! >>> >>> (I have been accused like this, but for downstairs...) >>> (so upstairs or downstairs, it is the word 'computer' >>> that seems to be the constant... Be warned...) >> >> Get a laptop, and you can spend all your time on the computer _wherever_ the >> rest of the family is :-) > to help. Every time I'd get interested in something on my screen, "SHE" > would detect it and ask me some trick question related to what "SHE" was > watching on the TV, or otherwise see if it took more than a nanosecond to > get my full attention etc... I found that using the laptop where "SHE" is > resulted in more resentment than if I spent the time at my desk... > > I think it's because when I'm using the computer at my desk, it only bugs > her when she thinks of me, and realizes where I am. When I'm using the > computer in her sight, she doesn't stop thinking about it, and spends the > whole time feeling jealous... > > Hopefully the OP's mileage will vary. ;-) > Thanks for the warning. I will remember that. Perhaps,if I get a laptop, I will explain that I have to link it to the router (upstairs) for it to work. On the other hand my son, when he visits, often works on his laptop downstairs with the family and it left to get on with it. We are getting off topic I think ..... Neil From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Oct 10 16:16:49 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:16:49 -0300 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> <20091009220431.132897c1.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> <4ACFA85E.9010805@swbell.net> Message-ID: Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > James Tappin wrote: >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:19:07 +0200 >> Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: >> >> KV> I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. >> KV> It does actually...nothing. >> KV> >> KV> There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... >> KV> I can install all the updates with apt... >> KV> >> KV> Any ideas? >> >> There are lots of problems with kpackagekit. >> >> Try installing adept (sudo apt-get install adept) and using that instead >> -- it's not the worlds best interface (IMHO the best package manager >> interface is the shaman manager from Chakra) but it's a lot more >> functional than kpackagekit. >> > Synaptic is _WAY_ better than what they've turned Adept into. Neither of which is any kind of solution for a user's perfectly reasonable expectation that the software installed by default should work. Try running kpackagekit from a console, and see if you get any obvious error messages. -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Sat Oct 10 16:20:53 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:20:53 -0300 Subject: Staying with Hardy References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACDD156.4020400@gmail.com> <4ACDD570.4020600@drofle.com> <200910081658.53828.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5so6q6-529.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > It would appear that on Oct 8, Derek Broughton did say: > >> Martin Laberge wrote: >> > On Thursday 08 October 2009 08:05:04 Neil Winchurst wrote: >> >> O. Sinclair wrote: >> > >> >> I did not mention was that I am accused of spending too much time >> >> upstairs on my computer. >> > >> > Grave accusation indeed !!! >> > >> > (I have been accused like this, but for downstairs...) >> > (so upstairs or downstairs, it is the word 'computer' >> > that seems to be the constant... Be warned...) >> >> Get a laptop, and you can spend all your time on the computer _wherever_ >> the rest of the family is :-) > > I too have been so accused. I tried the laptop solution and it didn't seem > to help. Every time I'd get interested in something on my screen, "SHE" > would detect it and ask me some trick question related to what "SHE" was > watching on the TV, or otherwise see if it took more than a nanosecond to > get my full attention etc... I found that using the laptop where "SHE" is > resulted in more resentment than if I spent the time at my desk... My condolences. You might accidentally put a brick through the TV screen :-) > > I think it's because when I'm using the computer at my desk, it only bugs > her when she thinks of me, and realizes where I am. When I'm using the > computer in her sight, she doesn't stop thinking about it, and spends the > whole time feeling jealous... > > Hopefully the OP's mileage will vary. ;-) > -- derek From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Oct 10 17:29:46 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:29:46 -0500 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> <20091009220431.132897c1.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> <4ACFA85E.9010805@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4AD0C48A.9020809@swbell.net> Derek Broughton wrote: > Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > >> James Tappin wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:19:07 +0200 >>> Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: >>> >>> KV> I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. >>> KV> It does actually...nothing. >>> KV> >>> KV> There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... >>> KV> I can install all the updates with apt... >>> KV> >>> KV> Any ideas? >>> >>> There are lots of problems with kpackagekit. >>> >>> Try installing adept (sudo apt-get install adept) and using that instead >>> -- it's not the worlds best interface (IMHO the best package manager >>> interface is the shaman manager from Chakra) but it's a lot more >>> functional than kpackagekit. >>> >>> >> Synaptic is _WAY_ better than what they've turned Adept into. >> > > Neither of which is any kind of solution for a user's perfectly reasonable > expectation that the software installed by default should work. > I completely concur. No one should expect Adept to be made into something that is nearly worthless when it was a very good package manager before either. It isn't a solution as much as a work-around. As far as I'm concerned the only decent graphical package manager available now is Synaptic. > Try running kpackagekit from a console, and see if you get any obvious error > messages. > I have used Kpackagekit to install a couple debs that I downloaded from the web. It worked flawlessly for this purpose, at least for me. I won't use it for anything else though. I don't use the console to get it. I just right-click on the deb and pick Kpackagekit from the menu in Dolphin. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away Sent with Thunderbird on my Kubuntu Linux Desktop From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Sat Oct 10 18:10:45 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:10:45 +0100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine, for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD0CE25.4040100@btinternet.com> > > I've got 9.04 on a 64b AMD. > > > > I have tried all the suggested variations, all produce the same symptoms: > > on the console: > > > > $wine /media/cdrom0/setup.exe > > > > gives me a pop-up: > > ------------------------------------------ > > MDAC was updated. Your system will reboot to complete the update. After > > your system > > reboots setup.exe will continue. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > when I click OK in the pop-up, I get multiple > > > > fixme:odbc:SQLRemoveDriveManager > > > > on the console - the whole thing is in an continuous loop, Only way out > > is Cont-C, kill -9 blah, > What do you want to install/run? DK Microsoft Picture It! Photo Standard 9 I use Gimp a lot, but it has far more 'functionality' than I need, and it's multiplicity of options sometimes confuses my appalling memory. I have used Picture It for some years, am used to it its limitations but can quickly get it to do what I want. Having said all that I ain't going to cry if it is one of those apps that wine can't deal with, Gimp can and does do what I want. ------------------- It is well known that wine is NOT able to run ALL win-doze applications. Perhaps you are looking at one of those which it simply can NOT run. The only way to "have your kate and edith too" is through virtualization. VirtualBox is an open-source option; VMWare is a proprietary or commercial option. as I said above, if it's not straightforward to wine an MS product I'm not really interesting too much in pursuing it. brian From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 18:15:28 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:15:28 -0400 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <1255198528.2584.50.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 22:25 +0800, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > > > >> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > >> > >>> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga > >>>> > >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 > >>>> > >>>> Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more > >>>> responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, > >>>> while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for > >>>> show. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> this is the beauty of Linux, > >>> if gdm/gnome suits you better, there is no one stopping you > >>> from using it. > >>> > >>> Btw. on a multiuser desktop machine (you wrote this in the > >>> bugreport), do you really need to work with an > >>> via/openchrome chipset/motherboard? > >>> > >>> > >> Yes. Donated hardware. Athlon XP too. > >> > >> > > ok, then I understand. When the hardware has been donated, > > you are lucky. If it is not mini/micro/whatever small via > > hardware, maybe you can buy an elcheapo nvidia card, also > > buying secondhand will do greatly. > > > :-D. In Hong Kong, where we THROW good working stuff away and replace > with new fancy stuff (oh, and we never use the fancy stuff too) as a > matter of course? > > Maybe people here have stopped that with the financial crises of late > but I'd have to be very lucky to find an AGP board. > > Relating to your other mail, I guess your kde feeling will > > improve massively from another graphics board, as well. > > > > > Man, I was hearing all these stories about how KDE4 had a smaller > footprint than GNOME and KDE3 and also how good qt4 was and BANG! KDE4 > is slow and kiosktool, the only group based desktop management tool > there is on Linux, had not been ported. > > > Please forgive me if I feel kind of cheated. I'd blame the hardware. As a previous poster wrote, you could jam an old nVidia 5200 card with 128 megs of vram for $10. Or get one donated. I too work for a Non-Profit who pays for my hardware ...when they can. I'm running an old 5500 and nothing major happening wrong with KDE4. If you had a basis for feeling cheated, so would we all. But no one is reporting that. We might get "chargined" when the software takes over the idiot-in-the-chair's position and doing stuff unexpected. :) Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 18:16:26 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:16:26 -0400 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <1255198586.2584.51.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 17:53 +0200, Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > >> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >> > >>> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > >>> > >>>> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Continuation of the openchrome driver crashing Xorg saga > >>>>> > >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/446316 > >>>>> > >>>>> Looks like I will have to switch over to gdm and GNOME, since it is more > >>>>> responsive (zero desktop effects/no compiz enabled in KDE) than KDE, > >>>>> while I am at it so that I do not have an embarrassing Linux desktop for > >>>>> show. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> this is the beauty of Linux, > >>>> if gdm/gnome suits you better, there is no one stopping you > >>>> from using it. > >>>> > >>>> Btw. on a multiuser desktop machine (you wrote this in the > >>>> bugreport), do you really need to work with an > >>>> via/openchrome chipset/motherboard? > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Yes. Donated hardware. Athlon XP too. > >>> > >>> > >> ok, then I understand. When the hardware has been donated, > >> you are lucky. If it is not mini/micro/whatever small via > >> hardware, maybe you can buy an elcheapo nvidia card, also > >> buying secondhand will do greatly. > >> > > :-D. In Hong Kong, where we THROW good working stuff away and replace > > with new fancy stuff (oh, and we never use the fancy stuff too) as a > > matter of course? > > ;-)) > > > > Maybe people here have stopped that with the financial crises of late > > but I'd have to be very lucky to find an AGP board. > >> Relating to your other mail, I guess your kde feeling will > >> improve massively from another graphics board, as well. > Well, there must be ways to obtain one, maybe via ebay? > > >> > >> > > Man, I was hearing all these stories about how KDE4 had a smaller > > footprint than GNOME and KDE3 and also how good qt4 was and BANG! KDE4 > > is slow and kiosktool, the only group based desktop management tool > > there is on Linux, had not been ported. > > > > > > Please forgive me if I feel kind of cheated. > > > No need for excuses. While starting KDE4 development has > been the right thing to do, the way it was introduced has > been the failure of the century, at least up to now, imho.;-( I raised ten kinds of Hell over KDE4, but now I can configure it to act like KDE3, so I'm happy! :) Ric From paul at lemmons.name Sat Oct 10 18:25:21 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:25:21 -0700 Subject: grub dependency problem Message-ID: <4AD0D191.3050804@lemmons.name> I thought about opening a bug on this but was stymied in how to describe. I am not seeing this issue in any Google search, so I am wondering if it is just me. Anyway, when I try to apply the latest update to karmic I get a dependency problem. Most of the time these simply go away with time. I have been seeing this one for over a week though. Here is what I am seeing: ================================================= The following packages are BROKEN: linux-backports-modules-karmic-generic The following packages will be REMOVED: grub{a} The following packages will be upgraded: grub-common grub-pc linux-backports-modules-karmic 4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1,740kB of archives. After unpacking 991kB will be freed. The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-backports-modules-karmic-generic: Depends: linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-13-generic which is a virtual package. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: grub-pc Keep the following packages at their current version: grub [0.97-29ubuntu58 (karmic, now)] linux-backports-modules-karmic [2.6.31.11.22 (now)] linux-backports-modules-karmic-generic [2.6.31.11.22 (now)] Score is 332 Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] q Abandoning all efforts to resolve these dependencies. ================================================= Now, I have no desire to remove grub-pc because that is what I am using to boot with. Grub, on the other hand, I *think* should have been replaced by grub-pc. I hesitate to remove it though for fear of not being able to boot. Most packages I am a little more caviler about but the ability to boot is fairly near and dear to my hear :) Any suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What is the purpose of the backports? (in your case) From paul at lemmons.name Sat Oct 10 19:09:59 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:09:59 -0700 Subject: grub dependency problem In-Reply-To: <200910101456.36677.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <4AD0D191.3050804@lemmons.name> <200910101456.36677.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <4AD0DC07.3000303@lemmons.name> Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 10 October 2009, Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> Now, I have no desire to remove grub-pc because that is what I am using >> to boot with. Grub, on the other hand, I think should have been >> replaced by grub-pc. I hesitate to remove it though for fear of not >> being able to boot. Most packages I am a little more caviler about but >> the ability to boot is fairly near and dear to my heart :) >> > > I am running the karmic beta without any 'backports' and have no problems > with grub other than the fact that it screws up the boot of any old releases > of *ubuntu. I've reported that. > > What is the purpose of the backports? (in your case) > I have always had backports turned on. I hate waiting for 6 months for some updated software and so far backports has always delivered stable and current releases of the software I use the most. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 10 19:49:00 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:49:00 -0400 Subject: grub dependency problem In-Reply-To: <4AD0DC07.3000303@lemmons.name> References: <4AD0D191.3050804@lemmons.name> <200910101456.36677.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4AD0DC07.3000303@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200910101549.00536.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 10 October 2009, Paul Lemmons wrote: > > What is the purpose of the backports? (in your case) > > > > I have always had backports turned on. I hate waiting for 6 months for > some updated software and so far backports has always delivered stable > and current releases of the software I use the most. > And I'm pretty sure that's where your grub problem lies....... From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 10 20:02:13 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:02:13 -0400 Subject: grub dependency problem In-Reply-To: <4AD0DC07.3000303@lemmons.name> References: <4AD0D191.3050804@lemmons.name> <200910101456.36677.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4AD0DC07.3000303@lemmons.name> Message-ID: <200910101602.13901.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 10 October 2009 03:09:59 pm Paul Lemmons wrote: > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > On Saturday 10 October 2009, Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> Now, I have no desire to remove grub-pc because that is what I am using > >> to boot with. Grub, on the other hand, I think should have been > >> replaced by grub-pc. I hesitate to remove it though for fear of not > >> being able to boot. Most packages I am a little more caviler about but > >> the ability to boot is fairly near and dear to my heart :) > > > > I am running the karmic beta without any 'backports' and have no > > problems with grub other than the fact that it screws up the boot of any > > old releases of *ubuntu. I've reported that. > > > > What is the purpose of the backports? (in your case) > > I have always had backports turned on. I hate waiting for 6 months for > some updated software and so far backports has always delivered stable > and current releases of the software I use the most. > there aren't any 'backports' for karmic yet, as backports are packages from the *next* version. The archive is there, but there are as of yet no packages in there right now. While they are considered (and labeled as) unsupported, in this case they are not causing any problems :) clay From rayburke30 at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 20:41:34 2009 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:41:34 +1100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4AD06224.7020800@btinternet.com> References: <4AD06224.7020800@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On 10/10/09, Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > Re: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for > Kubuntu 8.04 > > On Friday 09 October 2009 04:18:20 pm Muzer wrote: > > > > ray burke wrote: > > > >> > > On 10/10/09, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >> > >>> > >> ray burke wrote: > >>> > >> > I want to be able to run a windows .exe program on my kde 3.5 > >>> > Kubuntu > >>> > >> > 8.04, as I have it loaded in the program files in wine but cant > >>> > >> > execute it? > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Generally, you install a Windows program in wine with: > >>> > >> > >>> > >> wine setup.exe > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Of course, you would replace setup.exe with the installation program > >>> > >> for this particular Windows program. Then, you can run programs from > >>> > >> the Wine menu. How did you install the program exactly, and what > >>> > >> happens if/when you try to run it? > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Matt Flaschen > >>> > >> > > > >> > > Matt Flaschen > >> > > > >> > > how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? > >> > > > >> > > ray > >> > > > > > > When you're in the file manager, press F4, and type it into the box that > > > appears at the bottom. Press F4 once you're done to get rid of it again. > > > > > > have you tried to simply double-click the .exe? Wine will automatically > try to run it if it can. I think, in my opinion, that if a windows app > won't open or install that way, it will most likely be too much of a > hassle to try to get running. If you are super lucky, wine will even > create menu entries for the app (even if it doesn't run sometimes) clay. > > ------------------- > I've got 9.04 on a 64b AMD. > > I have tried all the suggested variations, all produce the same symptoms: > on the console: > > $wine /media/cdrom0/setup.exe > > gives me a pop-up: > ------------------------------------------ > MDAC was updated. Your system will reboot to complete the update. After > your system > reboots setup.exe will continue. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > when I click OK in the pop-up, I get multiple > > fixme:odbc:SQLRemoveDriveManager > > on the console - the whole thing is in an continuous loop, Only way out > is Cont-C, kill -9 blah, > or reboot. I tried rebooting myself as the pop-up was lying, but no good > - still the same > continuous loop after the wine ... command. > Any clues? or should I just forget it, as Clay says - or is there a > simple fix for simpleton > like me? > brian > ----------------- > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Brian, I have solved the problem of running the yahoo messenger 9 within wind by following your instruct within a terminal window $ wine setup.exe, it worked to a stage of installing the product but I didnt follow thru as tested on my dual boot Kubuntu/xp pro sp3 and it messed up bad, on the xp pro, so decided not to install and just use kmess ray From paul at lemmons.name Sat Oct 10 21:45:33 2009 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:45:33 -0700 Subject: grub dependency problem In-Reply-To: <200910101602.13901.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AD0D191.3050804@lemmons.name> <200910101456.36677.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> <4AD0DC07.3000303@lemmons.name> <200910101602.13901.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4AD1007D.7070907@lemmons.name> Clay Weber wrote: > On Saturday 10 October 2009 03:09:59 pm Paul Lemmons wrote: > >> Bruce Marshall wrote: >> >>> On Saturday 10 October 2009, Paul Lemmons wrote: >>> >>>> Now, I have no desire to remove grub-pc because that is what I am >>>> > using > >>>> to boot with. Grub, on the other hand, I think should have been >>>> replaced by grub-pc. I hesitate to remove it though for fear of not >>>> being able to boot. Most packages I am a little more caviler about but >>>> the ability to boot is fairly near and dear to my heart :) >>>> >>> I am running the karmic beta without any 'backports' and have no >>> problems with grub other than the fact that it screws up the boot of any >>> old releases of *ubuntu. I've reported that. >>> >>> What is the purpose of the backports? (in your case) >>> >> I have always had backports turned on. I hate waiting for 6 months for >> some updated software and so far backports has always delivered stable >> and current releases of the software I use the most. >> >> > > there aren't any 'backports' for karmic yet, as backports are packages from > the *next* version. The archive is there, but there are as of yet no packages > in there right now. While they are considered (and labeled as) unsupported, in > this case they are not causing any problems :) > > clay > I removed the two "backported" packages and things went smoothly. As Clay says... what is there to be in a backport repository for a release that is not even yet current? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3296 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 01:41:15 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:41:15 +0700 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine, for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4AD0CE25.4040100@btinternet.com> References: <4AD0CE25.4040100@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9844155d0910101841h74039fbby9f03d10cf797dba2@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > > Microsoft Picture It! Photo Standard 9 > > I use Gimp a lot, but it has far more 'functionality' than I need, and it's > multiplicity of options sometimes confuses my appalling memory. I have used > Picture It for some years, am used to it its limitations but can quickly > get it to do what I want. >  Having said all that I ain't going to cry if it is one of those apps that > wine can't deal with, Gimp can and does do what I want. It is a discontinued product of microsoft, I could not find any (trial) download link. Could you give me a download link, or send the file to my email address to try. DK From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Oct 11 03:56:19 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:56:19 +0800 Subject: grub error 18 In-Reply-To: <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AB6421E.2090501@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210948.19211.kassube@gmx.net> <4AB734D1.5020000@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210729.52544.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AB964E1.5040506@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > To conclude, it appears that I will have just reinstall and put /boot in > its own partition. I don't know what the Linux kernel does but after it > loads up once, all subsequent warm reboots will not suffer from the > problem. Once you shutdown the machine, that is it. grub 1.5 error 18. > So I take it all back about something reinstalling grub at shutdown time. At grub, did find /boot/grub/stage1 return any entries? Would also help if you print out parted -l blkid fdisk -lu menu.lst (and/or) grub.cfg Off hand, if warm reboots are okay and shutdowns are not, it may not be a grub problem. May be a bios or power hardware problem. Goh Lip From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Oct 11 04:38:33 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:38:33 +0800 Subject: grub error 18 In-Reply-To: References: <4AB6421E.2090501@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210948.19211.kassube@gmx.net> <4AB734D1.5020000@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210729.52544.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AB964E1.5040506@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: Goh Lip wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >> To conclude, it appears that I will have just reinstall and put /boot in >> its own partition. I don't know what the Linux kernel does but after it >> loads up once, all subsequent warm reboots will not suffer from the >> problem. Once you shutdown the machine, that is it. grub 1.5 error 18. >> So I take it all back about something reinstalling grub at shutdown time. > > At grub, did find /boot/grub/stage1 return any entries? > > Would also help if you print out > parted -l > blkid > fdisk -lu > menu.lst (and/or) grub.cfg > > > Off hand, if warm reboots are okay and shutdowns are not, it may not be > a grub problem. May be a bios or power hardware problem. BTW, in case you forgot, I did say on 22nd Sept.... > Reinstall jaunty, create a /boot partition not more than 150 Mb in the *first* partition and install boot there. From TonySivori at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 06:21:03 2009 From: TonySivori at yahoo.com (Tony Sivori) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:21:03 -0400 Subject: Staying with Hardy References: <4ACAFDB9.8030000@drofle.com> <4ACCDDC9.1030107@lemmons.name> Message-ID: Paul Lemmons wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re:Staying with Hardy > From: Tony Sivori To: > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: 10/06/2009 10:03 PM >> I plan to stay with my near perfect and very customized install of >> 8.04. >> >> In my case, the eventual decision to upgrade will probably be driven by >> hardware. I'm currently running 32 bit Kubuntu on 64 bit hardware which >> limits the machine to 4 GB of ram. >> >> > Not so... install the 32 bit "server: kernel and you can get beyond that > limit. Karmic has a PAE kernel for the same purpose. Yeah, I've googled that option, and I gave it serous consideration. You are right that changing the kernel to the server kernel would allow more ram. I've also seen posts with people having trouble with that solution, especially with regard to closed source drivers. Not worth it to me, I've never tried to customize or change the kernel. I'll just wait for when I do my next fresh install and move to 64 bit. -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 08:11:53 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:11:53 +0200 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4AD19349.6010107@gmail.com> Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > Hi to all, > > I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. > It does actually...nothing. > > There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... > I can install all the updates with apt... > > Any ideas? > It is a known bug in the Beta of Karmic, you will find info on kubuntu.org. Please use aptitude or apt-get to update and you will find it starts working after one or two updates From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sun Oct 11 09:30:27 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:30:27 +0800 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: <1255198528.2584.50.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> <1255198528.2584.50.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4AD1A5B3.8070308@bradbury.edu.hk> >>> Relating to your other mail, I guess your kde feeling will >>> improve massively from another graphics board, as well. >>> >>> >>> >> Man, I was hearing all these stories about how KDE4 had a smaller >> footprint than GNOME and KDE3 and also how good qt4 was and BANG! KDE4 >> is slow and kiosktool, the only group based desktop management tool >> there is on Linux, had not been ported. >> >> >> Please forgive me if I feel kind of cheated. >> > > I'd blame the hardware. As a previous poster wrote, you could jam an old > nVidia 5200 card with 128 megs of vram for $10. Or get one donated. I > too work for a Non-Profit who pays for my hardware ...when they can. I'm > running an old 5500 and nothing major happening wrong with KDE4. If you > had a basis for feeling cheated, so would we all. But no one is > reporting that. We might get "chargined" when the software takes over > the idiot-in-the-chair's position and doing stuff unexpected. :) Ric > > > Well...I was expecting KDE4 to be faster than GNOME on the same hardware. Especially since the latter depends on a set of libraries that a lot of people say is bloated. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sun Oct 11 09:33:40 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:33:40 +0800 Subject: grub error 18 In-Reply-To: References: <4AB6421E.2090501@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210948.19211.kassube@gmx.net> <4AB734D1.5020000@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210729.52544.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AB964E1.5040506@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <4AD1A674.9040807@bradbury.edu.hk> Goh Lip wrote: > Goh Lip wrote: > >> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> >> >>> To conclude, it appears that I will have just reinstall and put /boot in >>> its own partition. I don't know what the Linux kernel does but after it >>> loads up once, all subsequent warm reboots will not suffer from the >>> problem. Once you shutdown the machine, that is it. grub 1.5 error 18. >>> So I take it all back about something reinstalling grub at shutdown time. >>> >> At grub, did find /boot/grub/stage1 return any entries? >> >> Would also help if you print out >> parted -l >> blkid >> fdisk -lu >> menu.lst (and/or) grub.cfg >> >> >> Off hand, if warm reboots are okay and shutdowns are not, it may not be >> a grub problem. May be a bios or power hardware problem. >> > > > > BTW, in case you forgot, I did say on 22nd Sept.... > > > Reinstall jaunty, create a /boot partition not more than 150 Mb in > the *first* partition and install boot there. > > > That would have been the first thing I did if grub had immediately given me a problem after initial installation. Unfortunately for me, the Linux kernel somehow got things sane so you cannot tell from warm reboots. So yeah, most probably the BIOS is buggy. /me wonders if you can shrink to the end of the partition and not the beginning. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sun Oct 11 09:49:41 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:49:41 +0800 Subject: grub error 18 In-Reply-To: <4AD1A674.9040807@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AB6421E.2090501@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210948.19211.kassube@gmx.net> <4AB734D1.5020000@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210729.52544.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AB964E1.5040506@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD1A674.9040807@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <4AD1AA35.5020708@bradbury.edu.hk> > That would have been the first thing I did if grub had immediately given > me a problem after initial installation. Unfortunately for me, the Linux > kernel somehow got things sane so you cannot tell from warm reboots. So > yeah, most probably the BIOS is buggy. /me wonders if you can shrink to > the end of the partition and not the beginning. > > I'll just shrink and then move the partition with parted. Plenty of space available. From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 10:31:52 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:31:52 -0400 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: <4AD1A5B3.8070308@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> <1255198528.2584.50.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD1A5B3.8070308@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <1255257112.6559.41.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 17:30 +0800, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >>> Relating to your other mail, I guess your kde feeling will > >>> improve massively from another graphics board, as well. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Man, I was hearing all these stories about how KDE4 had a smaller > >> footprint than GNOME and KDE3 and also how good qt4 was and BANG! KDE4 > >> is slow and kiosktool, the only group based desktop management tool > >> there is on Linux, had not been ported. > >> > >> > >> Please forgive me if I feel kind of cheated. > >> > > > > I'd blame the hardware. As a previous poster wrote, you could jam an old > > nVidia 5200 card with 128 megs of vram for $10. Or get one donated. I > > too work for a Non-Profit who pays for my hardware ...when they can. I'm > > running an old 5500 and nothing major happening wrong with KDE4. If you > > had a basis for feeling cheated, so would we all. But no one is > > reporting that. We might get "chargined" when the software takes over > > the idiot-in-the-chair's position and doing stuff unexpected. :) Ric > > > > > > > > Well...I was expecting KDE4 to be faster than GNOME on the same > hardware. Especially since the latter depends on a set of libraries that > a lot of people say is bloated. Yeah, I hear that. I hope you find something workable for your video set up. Vesa may be a good choice for now. Ric From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sun Oct 11 10:38:44 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:38:44 +0800 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: <1255257112.6559.41.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> <1255198528.2584.50.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD1A5B3.8070308@bradbury.edu.hk> <1255257112.6559.41.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4AD1B5B4.5040204@bradbury.edu.hk> > Yeah, I hear that. I hope you find something workable for your video set > up. Vesa may be a good choice for now. Ric > > > Eewwww. VESA? I'd rather install DOS and run Simcity 2000 than put any current Linux distro on that! From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Oct 11 12:18:55 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:18:55 +0800 Subject: grub error 18 In-Reply-To: <4AD1A674.9040807@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AB6421E.2090501@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210948.19211.kassube@gmx.net> <4AB734D1.5020000@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210729.52544.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AB964E1.5040506@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD1A674.9040807@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Goh Lip wrote: >> >> > Reinstall jaunty, create a /boot partition not more than 150 Mb in >> the *first* partition and install boot there. >> >> >> > > That would have been the first thing I did if grub had immediately given > me a problem after initial installation. Unfortunately for me, the Linux > kernel somehow got things sane so you cannot tell from warm reboots. So > yeah, most probably the BIOS is buggy. /me wonders if you can shrink to > the end of the partition and not the beginning. > Okay, it's better to put boot into first partition especially for older Bios. the LVM 1024 cylinder thingy. Just a precaution. Good luck, Goh Lip From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Sun Oct 11 13:24:21 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:24:21 +0100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine,, for, Kubuntu 8.04 (David Kuntadi) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD1DC85.2040805@btinternet.com> > > use Gimp a lot, but it has far more 'functionality' than I need, and it's > > multiplicity of options sometimes confuses my appalling memory. I have used > > Picture It for some years, am used to it its limitations but can quickly > > get it to do what I want. > > ?Having said all that I ain't going to cry if it is one of those apps that > > wine can't deal with, Gimp can and does do what I want. > It is a discontinued product of microsoft, I could not find any (trial) download link. Could you give me a download link, or send the file to my email address to try. DK I'm not sure it's worth your effort David, but if you can lead me by the hand I can possibly set up a Firefox crossFTP server you could get the Picture it! setup.exe from. Should we continue this outside this users-list do you think? brian From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sun Oct 11 13:26:04 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:26:04 +0800 Subject: grub error 18 In-Reply-To: References: <4AB6421E.2090501@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210948.19211.kassube@gmx.net> <4AB734D1.5020000@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210729.52544.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AB964E1.5040506@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD1A674.9040807@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <4AD1DCEC.5090205@bradbury.edu.hk> Goh Lip wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > >> Goh Lip wrote: >> > > >>> > Reinstall jaunty, create a /boot partition not more than 150 Mb in >>> the *first* partition and install boot there. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> That would have been the first thing I did if grub had immediately given >> me a problem after initial installation. Unfortunately for me, the Linux >> kernel somehow got things sane so you cannot tell from warm reboots. So >> yeah, most probably the BIOS is buggy. /me wonders if you can shrink to >> the end of the partition and not the beginning. >> >> > > Okay, it's better to put boot into first partition especially for older > Bios. the LVM 1024 cylinder thingy. Just a precaution. > 1024 cylinder thingy whether CHS/LBA/LARGE addressing. One cannot resize ext3 filesystems with parted...not with ext_attr feature enabled. Reinstalled from scratch. Saga over. From g.lip at gmx.com Sun Oct 11 13:31:29 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:31:29 +0800 Subject: grub error 18 In-Reply-To: <4AD1DCEC.5090205@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AB6421E.2090501@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210948.19211.kassube@gmx.net> <4AB734D1.5020000@bradbury.edu.hk> <200909210729.52544.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AB964E1.5040506@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AB9AD90.7000702@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD0AACC.4070105@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD1A674.9040807@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD1DCEC.5090205@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Goh Lip wrote: >> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> >>> Goh Lip wrote: >>> >> >>>> > Reinstall jaunty, create a /boot partition not more than 150 Mb in >>>> the *first* partition and install boot there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> That would have been the first thing I did if grub had immediately given >>> me a problem after initial installation. Unfortunately for me, the Linux >>> kernel somehow got things sane so you cannot tell from warm reboots. So >>> yeah, most probably the BIOS is buggy. /me wonders if you can shrink to >>> the end of the partition and not the beginning. >>> >>> >> Okay, it's better to put boot into first partition especially for older >> Bios. the LVM 1024 cylinder thingy. Just a precaution. >> > 1024 cylinder thingy whether CHS/LBA/LARGE addressing. One cannot resize > ext3 filesystems with parted...not with ext_attr feature enabled. > Reinstalled from scratch. Saga over. > You're welcome From Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Sun Oct 11 17:47:00 2009 From: Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:47:00 +0200 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> <4ACFA85E.9010805@swbell.net> Message-ID: <200910111947.00469.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Op zaterdag 10 oktober 2009 18:16:49 schreef Derek Broughton: > Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > James Tappin wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:19:07 +0200 > >> Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > >> > >> KV> I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. > >> KV> It does actually...nothing. > >> KV> > >> KV> There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... > >> KV> I can install all the updates with apt... > >> KV> > >> KV> Any ideas? > >> > >> There are lots of problems with kpackagekit. > >> > >> Try installing adept (sudo apt-get install adept) and using that instead > >> -- it's not the worlds best interface (IMHO the best package manager > >> interface is the shaman manager from Chakra) but it's a lot more > >> functional than kpackagekit. > > > > Synaptic is _WAY_ better than what they've turned Adept into. > > Neither of which is any kind of solution for a user's perfectly reasonable > expectation that the software installed by default should work. > > Try running kpackagekit from a console, and see if you get any obvious > error messages. > This is the result; ... at laptop:~$ kpackagekit enumFromString ( Group ) : converted "unknown" to "UnknownGroup" , enum value 34 ... at laptop:~$ removing transaction from pool : "/70_cccdcbbe_data" Then kPackageKit starts (and can't find any packages nor updates...) Karl, From Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Sun Oct 11 17:47:57 2009 From: Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:47:57 +0200 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: <200910092017.02073.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> <200910092017.02073.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200910111947.57504.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Op zaterdag 10 oktober 2009 02:17:01 schreef Clay Weber: > On Friday 09 October 2009 02:19:07 pm Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > > Hi to all, > > > > I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. > > It does actually...nothing. > > > > There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... > > I can install all the updates with apt... > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Karl > > if you update manually, ie run: > $ sudo apt-get update > $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > > You should find that Karmic's KPackageKit will begin to work just fine, it > seems to have been fixed recently since after the beta was released. > > Clay > No, this doesn't work for me... Karl, From Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Sun Oct 11 17:49:26 2009 From: Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:49:26 +0200 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: <4AD19349.6010107@gmail.com> References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> <4AD19349.6010107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910111949.26987.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Op zondag 11 oktober 2009 10:11:53 schreef O. Sinclair: > Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > > Hi to all, > > > > I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. > > It does actually...nothing. > > > > There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... > > I can install all the updates with apt... > > > > Any ideas? > > It is a known bug in the Beta of Karmic, you will find info on > kubuntu.org. Please use aptitude or apt-get to update and you will find > it starts working after one or two updates > Hmmm... Still nothing after a lot of updates (and days) Karl, From Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be Sun Oct 11 17:52:51 2009 From: Karl.Vanwynsberghe at telenet.be (Karl Vanwynsberghe) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:52:51 +0200 Subject: kPackageKit does nothing In-Reply-To: <4AD00C1A.3080402@comcast.net> References: <200910092019.07881.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> <4AD00C1A.3080402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200910111952.51934.Karl.Vanwynsberghe@telenet.be> Op zaterdag 10 oktober 2009 06:22:50 schreef glyphe: > Karl Vanwynsberghe wrote: > > Hi to all, > > > > I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 and i'm having a problim with kPackageKit. > > It does actually...nothing. > > > > There are never updates available, I can't search for packages,... > > I can install all the updates with apt... > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Karl > > Does it prompt you for a password when you try to install a file? If > not, based on what you're saying, you are probably experiencing bug > 353478. Many new installations of 9.10 are having an issue with > policykit. A good indicator is if you are also having problems with > policykit authorizations in system settings. > > Try "sudo aptitude install policykit" and give it a whirl and see if > that helps. > > Douglas > it looks like policykit was already installed. Further idea's? Karl, From godshatter at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 19:18:45 2009 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:18:45 -0700 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty Message-ID: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> Yeah, I know I'm a little behind the curve. So far, I'm liking KDE4. I didn't think that would be the case, which is why I waited so long. I have a couple of questions so far, though: 1) Is there a plasma widget that will show the amount of memory that is being used? I found one for CPU and network activity, but haven't seen a memory one. 2) Is there some way to stop having every path in a terminal show up in the Documents directory? It's a pain, because all my stuff is under the main level. It even happens when I launch gvim, I have to type :e .../blah/blah/blah to get to my files. Could we stop adopting every single bad idea that Microsoft comes up with? The home directory is already the equivalent of the Users or My Documents directories, we don't need to drill it down any farther. 3) When I boot up, my login screen is at 1920x1200, which for my card means that I have to pan around in a 1680x1050 window. I have gone into the system settings and set the display to be 1680x1050, but it shows that in a pan-able 1920x1200 window - which is not what I want. How do I get the initial login screen to start at 1680x1050, or at least have KDE switch to 1680x1050 when it comes up? I can go into Desktop settings after I've logged in and change the refresh rate and have it set the resolution correctly (it already thinks it's at 1680x1050, so I have to change something to get the update button to show up). So far though, aside from some small annoyances, I'm happy. The upgrade using the adept updater went smoothly, and it did most of the work overnight. Paul From muzerakascooby at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 19:22:21 2009 From: muzerakascooby at gmail.com (Muzer) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:22:21 +0100 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AD2306D.4050901@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Rumelhart wrote: > Yeah, I know I'm a little behind the curve. > > So far, I'm liking KDE4. I didn't think that would be the case, which > is why I waited so long. I have a couple of questions so far, though: > > 1) Is there a plasma widget that will show the amount of memory that is > being used? I found one for CPU and network activity, but haven't seen > a memory one. > Yes, the RAM Meter > > 2) Is there some way to stop having every path in a terminal show up in > the Documents directory? It's a pain, because all my stuff is under the > main level. It even happens when I launch gvim, I have to type :e > .../blah/blah/blah to get to my files. Could we stop adopting every > single bad idea that Microsoft comes up with? The home directory is > already the equivalent of the Users or My Documents directories, we > don't need to drill it down any farther. > It shows in ~ by default for me. If it doesn't for you, you could figure out why, or just for a quick hack, add: cd ...to the end of ~/.bashrc > > 3) When I boot up, my login screen is at 1920x1200, which for my card > means that I have to pan around in a 1680x1050 window. I have gone into > the system settings and set the display to be 1680x1050, but it shows > that in a pan-able 1920x1200 window - which is not what I want. How do > I get the initial login screen to start at 1680x1050, or at least have > KDE switch to 1680x1050 when it comes up? I can go into Desktop > settings after I've logged in and change the refresh rate and have it > set the resolution correctly (it already thinks it's at 1680x1050, so I > have to change something to get the update button to show up). > > So far though, aside from some small annoyances, I'm happy. The upgrade > using the adept updater went smoothly, and it did most of the work > overnight. > > Paul > > - -- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a--- C+++ UL+++>++++ P+>+++ L+++>+++++ E---->--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP+++ t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJK0jBtAAoJEJzDgfhec8C1r5sH/3eQNbZyRox+GY4goWkMWP2H y+G+eHn5woswKv1xz3A0aNF/iWRyPcQkf+zhciCLYouIKPR99Nbe4x1R0RgryTuz 7YZUAQSn6InOBjxrVwj7H2LpIDKlgq+54Hfkuj3quJ7FOuRXbIKA5L5th58laPhe 5A3PXsw7CAR6Z8Hm1GOtWmrXL9EEywVzP6Hkv1CvGws+6VGlEhm5tAD2csae4Ppc RcKAbsOk9UL3LS5OaMP+HhtAR9LOJ0viYiL499atjGqH7y+CaVOCxZ2De3t7zaJS ZD4DmocxwsfFU8nZvax86/LDNR+cuAnQVy64Ny6CEHcF+ON3F5Ta22R3WFUz/QU= =sw0I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From muzerakascooby at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 19:23:05 2009 From: muzerakascooby at gmail.com (Muzer) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:23:05 +0100 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AD23099.5030509@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Rumelhart wrote: > Yeah, I know I'm a little behind the curve. > > So far, I'm liking KDE4. I didn't think that would be the case, which > is why I waited so long. I have a couple of questions so far, though: > > 1) Is there a plasma widget that will show the amount of memory that is > being used? I found one for CPU and network activity, but haven't seen > a memory one. Sorry, I mean the System Monitor - RAM. - -- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a--- C+++ UL+++>++++ P+>+++ L+++>+++++ E---->--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP+++ t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJK0jCYAAoJEJzDgfhec8C1TncIAL8mTXsCAyaiE4mrjUsb0q4j 1eIo6Nx8R6PuKtdQmMAeQvwRsDabwTBfgXfKdzDWnXaTpmzWXOHzwF3ZdT8GnlRc n7qBTn0SH+SZdOQGu59e59fRsrTdi8xwKAr1ekY9G9w2ufzYnm1BczFP8l44Pa6r 8kKeVLe5W7hfz7Etup5YuhbZ5nSLJ4yYPjlkoUyVMrK/CijW33cNmODxUeNNTXBq tIgsqH1uOWatmzZtC6WPP72RNVIeZZkr3kkK7M7fajvxkL+czmAMPz6Q70OQtbUB jibhDhkpntGdPpWW8bBUJZ+DyVPKADFnQ4SY6F4zssZIGUAreQ9Zl8rD6yyOvSU= =dlet -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From godshatter at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 20:21:27 2009 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:21:27 -0700 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AD23099.5030509@gmail.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> <4AD23099.5030509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD23E47.2090306@yahoo.com> Muzer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Paul Rumelhart wrote: > >> Yeah, I know I'm a little behind the curve. >> >> So far, I'm liking KDE4. I didn't think that would be the case, which >> is why I waited so long. I have a couple of questions so far, though: >> >> 1) Is there a plasma widget that will show the amount of memory that is >> being used? I found one for CPU and network activity, but haven't seen >> a memory one. >> > > Sorry, I mean the System Monitor - RAM. > That's strange. It doesn't show up on my list of widgets. I see the main System Monitor, which has temperature, CPU, hardware info, network, and disk space, but no RAM. I also see all of those individually, but no RAM component. Are you on Jaunty? Maybe they added it in the next version or something. Paul From godshatter at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 20:53:09 2009 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:53:09 -0700 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AD2306D.4050901@gmail.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> <4AD2306D.4050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD245B5.9010407@yahoo.com> Muzer wrote: > It shows in ~ by default for me. If it doesn't for you, you could figure > out why, or just for a quick hack, add: > cd > > ...to the end of ~/.bashrc > I've found now that when I run Konsole, it comes up at my home directory and not my Documents directory. Since gnome-terminal and gvim both show up in Documents, I'm assuming it's a configuration within the gnome desktop somewhere. I'll go login that way and see what I can find. Paul From doc.evans at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 21:43:14 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:43:14 -0600 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AD23E47.2090306@yahoo.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> <4AD23099.5030509@gmail.com> <4AD23E47.2090306@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AD25172.8040408@gmail.com> Paul Rumelhart said the following at 10/11/2009 02:21 PM : >> Sorry, I mean the System Monitor - RAM. >> > > That's strange. It doesn't show up on my list of widgets. I see the > main System Monitor, which has temperature, CPU, hardware info, > network, and disk space, but no RAM. I also see all of those > individually, but no RAM component. Are you on Jaunty? Maybe they > added it in the next version or something. > FWIW I'm on a production machine running fully up-to-date (all supported packages + backports) jaunty and I don't see a RAM component either. So I think your guess is probably correct. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 11 21:44:22 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:44:22 +0100 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200910112244.22660.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Sunday 11 Oct 2009 20:18:45 Paul Rumelhart wrote: > > 3) When I boot up, my login screen is at 1920x1200, which for my card > means that I have to pan around in a 1680x1050 window. I have gone into > the system settings and set the display to be 1680x1050, but it shows > that in a pan-able 1920x1200 window - which is not what I want. How do > I get the initial login screen to start at 1680x1050, or at least have > KDE switch to 1680x1050 when it comes up? I can go into Desktop > settings after I've logged in and change the refresh rate and have it > set the resolution correctly (it already thinks it's at 1680x1050, so I > have to change something to get the update button to show up). > Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" Option "PreferredMode" "1680x1050" EndSection The section will probably already exist, it's only the PreferredMode line you should need to add. > 1) Is there a plasma widget that will show the amount of memory that is > being used? I found one for CPU and network activity, but haven't seen > a memory one. plasma-widget-memusage or possibly plasma-widgets-addons might contain one. I have one on my system but I have all the backports, testing, and ppa repos enabled. I do not have the memusage widget installed so the one I have can't be that one. Mark From godshatter at yahoo.com Mon Oct 12 00:43:34 2009 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:43:34 -0700 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <200910112244.22660.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> <200910112244.22660.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4AD27BB6.3080509@yahoo.com> Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Sunday 11 Oct 2009 20:18:45 Paul Rumelhart wrote: > > >> 3) When I boot up, my login screen is at 1920x1200, which for my card >> means that I have to pan around in a 1680x1050 window. I have gone into >> the system settings and set the display to be 1680x1050, but it shows >> that in a pan-able 1920x1200 window - which is not what I want. How do >> I get the initial login screen to start at 1680x1050, or at least have >> KDE switch to 1680x1050 when it comes up? I can go into Desktop >> settings after I've logged in and change the refresh rate and have it >> set the resolution correctly (it already thinks it's at 1680x1050, so I >> have to change something to get the update button to show up). >> >> > > Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Configured Monitor" > Option "PreferredMode" "1680x1050" > EndSection > > The section will probably already exist, it's only the PreferredMode line you should need to add. > That worked great. Thank you. > >> 1) Is there a plasma widget that will show the amount of memory that is >> being used? I found one for CPU and network activity, but haven't seen >> a memory one. >> > > plasma-widget-memusage > or possibly > plasma-widgets-addons might contain one. > I installed plasma-widget-memusage, and it works for me. I looked for plasma-widgets-addons, but couldn't find it. I did find a kdeplasma-addons, but it didn't have a ram component that I could see. I also "solved" my problem where gnome-terminal was starting me in the Documents directory by dragging the icon onto the desktop and then configuring it to start in my home directory. I'll have to do the same with gvim, too, I think. I didn't find anything in gnome that looked like it would configure that, but I didn't see a lot of configuration options. Paul From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Mon Oct 12 01:29:31 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:29:31 -0400 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: <4ACF9827.9010504@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4AD2867B.5090502@gatech.edu> ray burke wrote: > how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? You would first cd (change directory) to the directory where the installation program is in Konsole, then type it in (remember, change setup.exe to the filename of your setup program). For a command-line tutorial, try http://linuxcommand.gds.tuwien.ac.at/ As others note, you may be able to just double-click the exe, but using the command-line will let you see errors and such. Matt Flaschen From tanghus at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 02:07:58 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:07:58 +0200 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AD25172.8040408@gmail.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> <4AD23E47.2090306@yahoo.com> <4AD25172.8040408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910120407.59024.tanghus@gmail.com> On 11/10-2009 23:43 "D. R. Evans" wrote: > Paul Rumelhart said the following at 10/11/2009 02:21 PM : > >> Sorry, I mean the System Monitor - RAM. > > > > That's strange. It doesn't show up on my list of widgets. I see the > > main System Monitor, which has temperature, CPU, hardware info, > > network, and disk space, but no RAM. I also see all of those > > individually, but no RAM component. Are you on Jaunty? Maybe they > > added it in the next version or something. > > FWIW I'm on a production machine running fully up-to-date (all supported > packages + backports) jaunty and I don't see a RAM component either. So I > think your guess is probably correct. > > Doc > Try "aptitude search plasma". -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 03:49:06 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:49:06 +0700 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4AD2867B.5090502@gatech.edu> References: <4ACF9827.9010504@gatech.edu> <4AD2867B.5090502@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <9844155d0910112049u3bc91544id43eb435fddf314f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > ray burke wrote: >> how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? > > You would first cd (change directory) to the directory where the > installation program is in  Konsole, then type it in (remember, change > setup.exe to the filename of your setup program).  For a command-line > tutorial, try http://linuxcommand.gds.tuwien.ac.at/ > > As others note, you may be able to just double-click the exe, but using > the command-line will let you see errors and such. In case of the exe file in cd rom or mounted iso file, you should make sure the drive/mont point is mapped as a drive in wine through wine configuration (winecfg). I just realize this as Brian told me his file size is over 500 MB. So, it is not just a simple exe file but a CD ROM installation. DK From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Mon Oct 12 08:18:28 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:18:28 +0100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD2E654.6010108@btinternet.com> Re: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for Kubuntu 8.04 > ray burke wrote: > >> >> how do you insert wine setup.exe and where? >> > > > > You would first cd (change directory) to the directory where the > > installation program is in ?Konsole, then type it in (remember, change > > setup.exe to the filename of your setup program). ?For a command-line > > tutorial, try http://linuxcommand.gds.tuwien.ac.at/ > > > > As others note, you may be able to just double-click the exe, but using > > the command-line will let you see errors and such. > In case of the exe file in cd rom or mounted iso file, you should make sure the drive/mont point is mapped as a drive in wine through wine configuration (winecfg). I just realize this as Brian told me his file size is over 500 MB. So, it is not just a simple exe file but a CD ROM installation. DK --------------------- I've exported the 'running' picture it.exe from my vista and run it past wine, but I got so many missing dependencies that I gave up. Is this worth following up. brian From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 08:28:46 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:28:46 +0700 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine for, Kubuntu 8.04 In-Reply-To: <4AD2E654.6010108@btinternet.com> References: <4AD2E654.6010108@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9844155d0910120128l43a84cc2ldf31aa8407d9db15@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > > I've exported the 'running' picture it.exe from my vista and run it past > wine, but I got > so many missing dependencies that I gave up. Is this worth following up. Depend on how badly you want it to run in linux. I think you should install it in linux first before exported the 'running' picture it.exe from your vista.What is the error when you tried to install it in linux? Remember to map the cd rom drive in wine. DK From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 08:43:10 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:43:10 -0400 Subject: Jaunty kdm not handling Xorg crashing during logout well In-Reply-To: <4AD1B5B4.5040204@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AD04547.1010100@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD06F05.6040406@bradbury.edu.hk> <4AD09942.3060802@bradbury.edu.hk> <1255198528.2584.50.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD1A5B3.8070308@bradbury.edu.hk> <1255257112.6559.41.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD1B5B4.5040204@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <1255336990.16475.0.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 18:38 +0800, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > > Yeah, I hear that. I hope you find something workable for your video set > > up. Vesa may be a good choice for now. Ric > > > > > > > > > Eewwww. VESA? I'd rather install DOS and run Simcity 2000 than put any > current Linux distro on that! I hear ya, but it may work... for now. :) Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 08:46:10 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:46:10 -0400 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1255337170.16475.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 12:18 -0700, Paul Rumelhart wrote: > Yeah, I know I'm a little behind the curve. > > So far, I'm liking KDE4. I didn't think that would be the case, which > is why I waited so long. I have a couple of questions so far, though: > > 1) Is there a plasma widget that will show the amount of memory that is > being used? I found one for CPU and network activity, but haven't seen > a memory one. > > 2) Is there some way to stop having every path in a terminal show up in > the Documents directory? It's a pain, because all my stuff is under the > main level. It even happens when I launch gvim, I have to type :e > .../blah/blah/blah to get to my files. Could we stop adopting every > single bad idea that Microsoft comes up with? The home directory is > already the equivalent of the Users or My Documents directories, we > don't need to drill it down any farther. Good rant, Paul. I agree 100%. Everything seems to want to use Documents. I've tried changing it to no avail. Ric From jonorland at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 08:53:20 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:53:20 +0200 Subject: Just made the switch to Jaunty In-Reply-To: <1255337170.16475.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AD22F95.3090209@yahoo.com> <1255337170.16475.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 12:18 -0700, Paul Rumelhart wrote: >> Yeah, I know I'm a little behind the curve. >> >> So far, I'm liking KDE4.  I didn't think that would be the case, which >> is why I waited so long.  I have a couple of questions so far, though: >> >> 1) Is there a plasma widget that will show the amount of memory that is >> being used?  I found one for CPU and network activity, but haven't seen >> a memory one. >> >> 2) Is there some way to stop having every path in a terminal show up in >> the Documents directory?  It's a pain, because all my stuff is under the >> main level.  It even happens when I launch gvim, I have to type :e >> .../blah/blah/blah to get to my files.  Could we stop adopting every >> single bad idea that Microsoft comes up with?  The home directory is >> already the equivalent of the Users or My Documents directories, we >> don't need to drill it down any farther. > > Good rant, Paul. I agree 100%. Everything seems to want to use > Documents. I've tried changing it to no avail. Ric > The various folders for Pictures, Desktop, Video etc. can be configured in the "~/.config/user-dirs.dirs" file. I think you need run xdg-user-dirs-update and logout or a reboot after you changed it. / Jonas From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Mon Oct 12 12:38:47 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:38:47 +0100 Subject: Is there some trick installing a .exe file using wine, for, Kubuntu 8.04 (Brian Norman Wootton) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD32357.2050809@btinternet.com> > > > I've exported the 'running' picture it.exe from my vista and run it past > > wine, but I got > > so many missing dependencies that I gave up. Is this worth following up. > Depend on how badly you want it to run in linux. I think you should install it in linux first before exported the 'running' picture it.exe from your vista.What is the error when you tried to install it in linux? Remember to map the cd rom drive in wine. DK Sorry, I wasn't clear, I first copied the executable 'Picture It' from my vista machine to my linux machine and then wined it. I forget entirely what the errors and missing dependencies were - most of them I think were due to missing vista libraries which there wasn't much I could do about I thought. If you can't proceed from the installation disc setup.exe, I think we should forget it - Gimp is OK for me. brian From mickrulist at voipfuture.com Mon Oct 12 14:47:11 2009 From: mickrulist at voipfuture.com (Michael Krueger) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:47:11 +0200 Subject: KNetworkmanager still crashing. Developer tells me that Kubuntu package maintainers are not updateing their packages ... Message-ID: <4AD3416F.10204@voipfuture.com> Hi, I filed a bug because even after the latest update of the KDE desktop (jaunty, KDE 4.3.2) the network manager does crash on me when something in the environment has changed. The developer did respond with this comment: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209834 --- Comment #2 from Will Stephenson 2009-10-12 16:41:27 --- This bug has been fixed for over a month; Kubuntu have been told several times that they need to update their packages; they say they have done so, but for some reason they are still being installed. Please take this to Kubuntu. If that is the case, can someone please update the networkmanager packages? This bug is sooo annoying. Thanks. Regards, Michael From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Tue Oct 13 09:12:13 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:12:13 +0100 Subject: Jaunty icons mising from KEditFileType Message-ID: <200910131012.13539.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> I recently upgraded to Jaunty and I'm having problems changing the icons for filetypes. If I right click on a file, select properties, click the 'edit file type' icon and then click the icon I don't see any entries in the menu opposite 'system icons' and 'other icons' doesn't show anything. If I go to system settings -> file associations then it works. Is there anything I can do to fix this? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Tue Oct 13 10:28:02 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:28:02 +0100 Subject: Jaunty icons mising from KEditFileType In-Reply-To: <200910131012.13539.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200910131012.13539.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200910131128.02772.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Tuesday 13 Oct 2009 10:12:13 Mark Fraser wrote: > I recently upgraded to Jaunty and I'm having problems changing the icons > for filetypes. If I right click on a file, select properties, click the > 'edit file type' icon and then click the icon I don't see any entries in > the menu opposite 'system icons' and 'other icons' doesn't show anything. > > If I go to system settings -> file associations then it works. > > Is there anything I can do to fix this? An update to this, it seems to be the same with Kubuntu Karmic and sometimes it shows the menu and sometimes it doesn't. Also system settings -> file associations doesn't allow me to change the icon for some file types. eg. I can't change the icon for vnd.sun.xml.base. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From tanghus at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 11:15:46 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:15:46 +0200 Subject: Jaunty icons mising from KEditFileType In-Reply-To: <200910131012.13539.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200910131012.13539.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200910131315.46174.tanghus@gmail.com> On 13/10-2009 11:12 Mark Fraser wrote: > I recently upgraded to Jaunty and I'm having problems changing the icons > for filetypes. If I right click on a file, select properties, click the > 'edit file type' icon and then click the icon I don't see any entries in > the menu opposite 'system icons' and 'other icons' doesn't show anything. > > If I go to system settings -> file associations then it works. > > Is there anything I can do to fix this? > I tried to edit the properties an a Plasmoid - in this case srciptedimage.plasmoid. When I first did as you described I could select from all the System Icons. Then I added another application to this file type and now the drop down for System Icons is grayed out and unselectable. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Wed Oct 14 03:31:52 2009 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:31:52 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? Message-ID: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> Hi, all. I've installed and unsuccessfully tried to run a 'commercial' pdf scanning/manipulation app known as VueScan, which someone suggested in this forum around a month ago. I contacted the author at , but he said he 'can't really help with diagnosing problems with missing libraries', and he mentioned some tips in the release notes which, however, went right over my head. Has anyone here had any experience with this software? If so, could you help me with some pointers? Thanks a lot. john _________________________________________ Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn KDE 3.5.6 - Linux 2.6.20-17 generic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaj at haulrich.net Wed Oct 14 07:17:07 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:17:07 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910140917.07927.kaj@haulrich.net> On Wednesday 14 October 2009 05:31:52 john d. herron wrote: > Hi, all. > > I've installed and unsuccessfully tried to run a 'commercial' pdf > scanning/manipulation app known as VueScan, which someone > suggested in this forum around a month ago. > I contacted the author at , but he said he > 'can't really help with diagnosing problems with missing > libraries', and he mentioned some tips in the release notes > which, however, went right over my head. > > Has anyone here had any experience with this software? If so, > could you help me with some pointers? Well, I use Vuescan quite a lot. Primarily for scanning old B/W negatives and color slides on an Epson Photo scanner. My version is the professional v.8.5.35 which comes with a price tag $40 (Free upgrades supplied forever). Runs excellent under Karmic - and all other previous versions of Kubuntu). I purchased Vuescan directly from Hamrick Software: http://www.hamrick.com and upgrade regularly without a hiccup. My version is installed under /opt - just unpacked the 'vuesca85.tgz' and it runs perfectly. As far as I know, no special libraries are needed. My scanner is connected via USB and recognized by Vuescan out of the box. Working with Vuescan is a breeze compared to i.e xsane or Kooka. Excellent results and the options are innumerable. First of all, is your scanner supported? - Take a look here: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --------- Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 --------- From ubuntu at metron.com Wed Oct 14 07:20:27 2009 From: ubuntu at metron.com (Lou Katz) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:20:27 -0700 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <20091014072027.GA15953@metron.com> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 05:31:52AM +0200, john d. herron wrote: > Hi, all. > > I've installed and unsuccessfully tried to run a 'commercial' pdf > scanning/manipulation app known as VueScan, which someone suggested in > this forum around a month ago. > I contacted the author at , but he said he 'can't > really help with diagnosing problems with missing libraries', and he > mentioned some tips in the release notes which, however, went right over > my head. I am running Version 8.4.94 on Ubuntu 8.10 without problems, and have been using this product for years. I runs my old scanners, and does everything I want. The latest version is 8.5.35. I haven't tried to install it on Ubuntu 9.X, though I have the right licence to upgrade it. What libraries does it claim are missing? > > Has anyone here had any experience with this software? If so, could you > help me with some pointers? > > Thanks a lot. > > john > _________________________________________ > Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn > KDE 3.5.6 - Linux 2.6.20-17 generic > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- -=[L]=- Quandam President From ubuntu at metron.com Wed Oct 14 07:22:48 2009 From: ubuntu at metron.com (Lou Katz) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:22:48 -0700 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <20091014072248.GB15953@metron.com> PS: My scanners are SCSI, if that matters. An HP flatbed, an ancient flatbed with full-sheet transparency adapter and a Nikon slide scanner. -- -=[L]=- Organization: column major From gkourtev at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 07:33:58 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:33:58 +0300 Subject: Speak text in Kmail Message-ID: <200910141033.59087.gkourtev@gmail.com> Dear all, I have noticed a option 'Speak text' when I right click in a selection of a text in any new message. However, when I click on it I got message 'Starting KTTSD failed'. What is this and how can I start it? thanks. gk From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 08:00:50 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:00:50 +0200 Subject: kde4 icons, plasma themes and screensavers Message-ID: <4AD58532.60305@gmail.com> have upgraded a user from kde3 to kubuntu 9.10 Beta and met some problems. These relate to that I had to copy back all old files AFTER install since for whatever on earth reason 9.10 does not accept usernames that start with a capital letter... in short the icons, some parts of plasma I guess (icons for the taskbar etc) and screensavers are either missing totally or in part. Anyone have an idea what I can reinstall to get them back in order? Kindly, Sinclair From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 14 08:01:46 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:01:46 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910141001.46660.kassube@gmx.net> john d. herron wrote: > I've installed and unsuccessfully tried to run a 'commercial' pdf > scanning/manipulation app known as VueScan, which someone suggested > in this forum around a month ago. > I contacted the author at , but he said he 'can't > really help with diagnosing problems with missing libraries', and he > mentioned some tips in the release notes which, however, went right > over my head. That's a bit vague - can you tell us what error message you get when you try to run the program? > Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn > KDE 3.5.6 - Linux 2.6.20-17 generic Maybe 7.04 is the problem because it is no longer supported. Considering that Lou Katz has the software working with 8.10, I would suggest you upgrade to a more recent version of Kubuntu. See . Nils From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 14 08:03:36 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:03:36 +0200 Subject: Speak text in Kmail In-Reply-To: <200910141033.59087.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200910141033.59087.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910141003.36605.kassube@gmx.net> Georgi Kourtev wrote: > I have noticed a option 'Speak text' when I right click in a > selection of a text in any new message. However, when I click on it I > got message 'Starting KTTSD failed'. > > What is this and how can I start it? I think you need the package kttsd installed. Nils From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 08:45:33 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:45:33 +0200 Subject: kde4 icons, plasma themes and screensavers In-Reply-To: <4AD58532.60305@gmail.com> References: <4AD58532.60305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD58FAD.9010003@gmail.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > have upgraded a user from kde3 to kubuntu 9.10 Beta and met some > problems. These relate to that I had to copy back all old files AFTER > install since for whatever on earth reason 9.10 does not accept > usernames that start with a capital letter... > > in short the icons, some parts of plasma I guess (icons for the taskbar > etc) and screensavers are either missing totally or in part. > > Anyone have an idea what I can reinstall to get them back in order? > to clarify a bit: it was all the files in the HOME dir I had to transfer back afterwards due to no usernames starting with caps. If it was not for that I suspect it would have been smooth (separate partition for HOME dirs). But after copying back all files I guess icons etc was overwritten by old KDE3 ones From gkourtev at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 09:00:04 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:00:04 +0300 Subject: Speak text in Kmail In-Reply-To: <200910141003.36605.kassube@gmx.net> References: <200910141033.59087.gkourtev@gmail.com> <200910141003.36605.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200910141200.04741.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Wednesday 14 October 2009 11:03:36 Nils Kassube wrote: > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > I have noticed a option 'Speak text' when I right click in a > > selection of a text in any new message. However, when I click on it I > > got message 'Starting KTTSD failed'. > > > > What is this and how can I start it? > > I think you need the package kttsd installed. > > > Nils > Nils, Correct! This solved the issue. gk From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 09:44:34 2009 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:44:34 +0200 Subject: Kmail in Kubuntu 9.04: what is 'disconnected' IMAP? Message-ID: Hello everybody When configuring an account in KMAIL, the menu mentions two kinds of 'IMAP': 'disconnected' IMAP (simply) 'IMAP´ What is the difference between both kinds of IMAP? Respectfully yours, Bas. P.S. Several times tried to find an answer to these questions via the help menu of KMAIL, but the documentation is 'not available' - see other mail for more details. From jonorland at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 09:53:50 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:53:50 +0200 Subject: Kmail in Kubuntu 9.04: what is 'disconnected' IMAP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello everybody > > When configuring an account in KMAIL, the menu mentions two kinds of 'IMAP': > 'disconnected' IMAP > (simply) 'IMAP´ > What is the difference between both kinds of IMAP? > > Respectfully yours, > > Bas. > > P.S. Several times tried to find an answer to these questions via the > help menu of KMAIL, but the documentation is 'not available' - see > other mail for more details. The first search result of "disconnected imap" in google gives this link http://www.math.upenn.edu/Help/POP-IMAP.html / Jonas From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 09:54:17 2009 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:54:17 +0200 Subject: Kmail in Kubuntu 9.04: how to find or to install the 'Kmail Handbook'? Message-ID: Hello everybody Both the welcome screen and the help menu of KMAIL mention the existence of 'documentation' or 'Kmail handbook'.. When clicking at both links I and up at this URL, via Konqueror: help:/kmail/index.html But the only thing I can read at this page is this phrase: "There is no documentation available for /kmail/index.html." Also when clicking at other help-items, I get similar results. Do I need to install some extra package to get the help documentation at my hard disk? Or could you advise anything else to get access to the help documentation? Respectfully yours, Bas. From basroufs at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 10:09:10 2009 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:09:10 +0200 Subject: Kmail in Kubuntu 9.04: what is 'disconnected' IMAP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (....) >> What is the difference between both kinds of IMAP? (....) > The first search result of "disconnected imap" in google gives this > link http://www.math.upenn.edu/Help/POP-IMAP.html This is clear, thanks. Bas. From info at alvin.be Wed Oct 14 10:40:38 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:40:38 +0200 Subject: Kmail in Kubuntu 9.04: how to find or to install the 'Kmail Handbook'? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910141240.39670.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 14 October 2009 11:54:17 Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello everybody > > Both the welcome screen and the help menu of KMAIL mention the > existence of 'documentation' or 'Kmail handbook'.. When clicking at > both links I and up at this URL, via Konqueror: > help:/kmail/index.html > But the only thing I can read at this page is this phrase: > "There is no documentation available for /kmail/index.html." > Also when clicking at other help-items, I get similar results. > Do I need to install some extra package to get the help documentation > at my hard disk? Or could you advise anything else to get access to > the help documentation? No, the documentation is just missing. See bug 284915: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/284915 From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Wed Oct 14 14:40:01 2009 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:40:01 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? Message-ID: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> Thank you, Kay Haulrich and Lou Katz, for your encouraging indications. and Nils Kassube for your suggestions. Here's how I had explained my problem to Ed Hamrick, the author of the application: "Good morning. Yesterday I downloaded the vuesca85.tgz version of your 'vuescan' software into the personal folder (/home/john) of my Kubuntu box and, in a console, decompressed it using the command indicated by you - "tar xvf vuesca85.tgz --ungzip". Result: a new folder (/home/john/VueScan) with the following contents: john at john-desktop:~$ ls VueScan lan_ar.txt lan_et.txt lan_it.txt lan_pt.txt lan_tl.txt vuescan /(this file features an 'application' icon)/ lan_bg.txt lan_fi.txt lan_ja.txt lan_ro.txt lan_tr.txt vuescan.bmp lan_ca.txt lan_fr.txt lan_ko.txt lan_ru.txt lan_tw.txt vuescan.dat lan_cs.txt lan_gl.txt lan_lt.txt lan_sk.txt lan_uk.txt vuescan.htm lan_da.txt lan_he.txt lan_lv.txt lan_sl.txt lan_vi.txt lan_de.txt lan_hi.txt lan_nl.txt lan_sr.txt lan_zh.txt lan_el.txt lan_hr.txt lan_no.txt lan_sv.txt ocr_de.bin lan_en.txt lan_hu.txt lan_pb.txt lan_ta.txt ocr_en.bin lan_es.txt lan_id.txt lan_pl.txt lan_th.txt ocr_fr.bin Attempting to launch 'vuescan' from a "run command" box yields... nothing. Trying to run it from the bash console ($ /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) yields an "unknown command" message. I'm not really an expert user and obviously doing something woefully wrong. Could/would you perhaps help me out? Thank you. john" Here's what he replied: "Hi John, Unfortunately, I can't really help with diagnosing problems with missing libraries. There are some tips in the VueScan Release Notes. Regards, Ed Hamrick" In the Release Notes for Linux, two libraries were mentioned that might be needed. libstdc++5 and libusb. On this system both were already installed. Anyway, I don't see any USB problems: my scanner, an HP OfficeJet 6310, has been working with xsane out of the box and is supported by Vuescan. Kay, do you think there might be any purpose to moving the VueScan folder from /home/john to /opt? I really do appreciate your help, guys. john _________________________________________ Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn KDE 3.5.6 - Linux 2.6.20-17 generic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at alvin.be Wed Oct 14 15:07:13 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:07:13 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910141707.15187.info@alvin.be> On Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:40:01 john d. herron wrote: > Here's what he replied: > "Hi John, > > Unfortunately, I can't really help with diagnosing problems with > missing libraries. There are some tips in the VueScan > Release Notes. > Regards, Ed Hamrick" > > In the Release Notes for Linux, two libraries were mentioned that might > be needed. libstdc++5 and libusb. On this system both were already > installed. Anyway, I don't see any USB problems: my scanner, an HP > OfficeJet 6310, has been working with xsane out of the box and is > supported by Vuescan. > Kay, do you think there might be any purpose to moving the VueScan > folder from /home/john to /opt? Moving VueScan to /opt will not improve your situation. Do it if you want to give multiple users access to VueScan or if you don't like software running in /home (on a side note: Your /home partition isn't mounted with 'noexec', is it?) Check for missing libraries with: $ ldd ~/VueScan/vuescan From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 14 15:12:52 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:12:52 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910141712.52821.kassube@gmx.net> john d. herron wrote: > john at john-desktop:~$ ls VueScan > lan_ar.txt lan_et.txt lan_it.txt lan_pt.txt lan_tl.txt vuescan [...] > Attempting to launch 'vuescan' from a "run command" box yields... > nothing. Trying to run it from the bash console ($ > /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) yields an "unknown command" message. Is the file executable? Try "ls -l /home/john/VueScan/vuescan" and the result should be something like this: -rwxr-x--- 1 john john 3643 Oct 6 23:10 /home/john/VueScan/vuescan ^ this "x" is the important bit which tells you it is executable. If it isn't executable, try the command chmod +x /home/john/VueScan/vuescan and then start the application again. > Kay, do you think there might be any purpose to moving the VueScan > folder from /home/john to /opt? While I'm not Kay, I don't think that moving the directory would help. The /opt directory isn't in any way more special than your home directory. Nils From juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 15:30:16 2009 From: juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:30:16 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu buggy - OpenOffice and Kde WiFi detector/manager. Message-ID: Hi guys, I solved partially the bug of hpet by using hpet=disable en grub options in /etc/defaults/grub. Now I'm getting two problems. The first is that when I try to Save As in OpenOffice Writer, I don't see the text labels in the Save As menu. There are three check boxes, and the text for them isn't visible. Then, I'm getting a second ( worse ) bug with the Kde WiFi manager. When I login, the widget at the task bar identifies all the WiFi connections, but I'm able to connect just to the ones without encryption/security. I'm able to connect to open non-protected networks, but I'm not able to connect to the majority of them that are protected. The wifi card works perfectly, and even it works with encrypted connections in other OS. The card uses the broadcom driver. Also, when I use : $ iwlist scan lo Interface doesn't support scanning. eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning. eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning. It doesn't recognize the available networks. However the kde applet does, but it doesn't connect to password protected networks. Any clues or ideas?. Juan From johndecarlo at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 16:06:53 2009 From: johndecarlo at gmail.com (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:06:53 -0400 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <3dde113c0910140906l4ddc5b7aqa6c3736c54083b70@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:40 AM, john d. herron wrote: > john at john-desktop:~$ ls VueScan > lan_ar.txt lan_et.txt lan_it.txt lan_pt.txt lan_tl.txt vuescan *(this > file features an 'application' icon)* > lan_bg.txt lan_fi.txt lan_ja.txt lan_ro.txt lan_tr.txt vuescan.bmp > lan_ca.txt lan_fr.txt lan_ko.txt lan_ru.txt lan_tw.txt vuescan.dat > lan_cs.txt lan_gl.txt lan_lt.txt lan_sk.txt lan_uk.txt vuescan.htm > lan_da.txt lan_he.txt lan_lv.txt lan_sl.txt lan_vi.txt > lan_de.txt lan_hi.txt lan_nl.txt lan_sr.txt lan_zh.txt > lan_el.txt lan_hr.txt lan_no.txt lan_sv.txt ocr_de.bin > lan_en.txt lan_hu.txt lan_pb.txt lan_ta.txt ocr_en.bin > lan_es.txt lan_id.txt lan_pl.txt lan_th.txt ocr_fr.bin > OK, here is what I would do, just from experience. Not because it is obvious or anything. 1. chmod a+x vuescan *.bin [vuescan obviously needs to be run as an application. The .bin on the other files is an indication that they will need to be executed, too. And typically, the files in a tarball need to be adjusted like this after unpacking them. 2. Start checking from the console, using "./vuescan" or "/home/john/VueScan/vuescan" [Linux won't have /home/john/VueScan folder as a place it normally looks to run things from.] 3. Try running it in the GUI by typing in: /home/john/VueScan/vuescan 4. Create a shortcut, or edit your menu, and add VueScan to the menu. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500&ref=mf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Wed Oct 14 16:06:30 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:06:30 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu buggy - OpenOffice and Kde WiFi detector/manager. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AD5F706.3080005@prayingforisrael.net> Juan Marcelo Rodríguez wrote: > Hi guys, > I solved partially the bug of hpet by using hpet=disable en grub > options in /etc/defaults/grub. > > Now I'm getting two problems. The first is that when I try to Save As > in OpenOffice Writer, I don't see the text labels in the Save As menu. > There are three check boxes, and the text for them isn't visible. > > Then, I'm getting a second ( worse ) bug with the Kde WiFi manager. > When I login, the widget at the task bar identifies all the WiFi > connections, but I'm able to connect just to the ones without > encryption/security. > > I'm able to connect to open non-protected networks, but I'm not able > to connect to the majority of them that are protected. The wifi card > works perfectly, and even it works with encrypted connections in other > OS. This has been a long standing problem with Kde WiFi manager. What version of Kubuntu are you using? > > The card uses the broadcom driver. Also, when I use : > > $ iwlist scan > lo Interface doesn't support scanning. > > eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning. > > eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning. > > It doesn't recognize the available networks. However the kde applet > does, but it doesn't connect to password protected networks. You have to use 'sudo iwlist scan' > > Any clues or ideas?. > > Juan > Blessings, Nigel From juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 16:26:06 2009 From: juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:26:06 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu buggy - OpenOffice and Kde WiFi detector/manager. In-Reply-To: <4AD5F706.3080005@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4AD5F706.3080005@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Nigel Ridley wrote: > Juan Marcelo Rodríguez wrote: >> Hi guys, >> I solved partially the bug of hpet by using hpet=disable en grub >> options in /etc/defaults/grub. >> >> Now I'm getting two problems. The first is that when I try to Save As >> in OpenOffice Writer, I don't see the text labels in the Save As menu. >> There are three check boxes, and the text for them isn't visible. >> >> Then, I'm getting a second ( worse ) bug with the Kde WiFi manager. >> When I login, the widget at the task bar identifies all the WiFi >> connections, but I'm able to connect just to the ones without >> encryption/security. >> >> I'm able to connect to open non-protected networks, but I'm not able >> to connect to the majority of them that are protected. The wifi card >> works perfectly, and even it works with encrypted connections in other >> OS. > > This has been a long standing problem with Kde WiFi manager. What version of Kubuntu are you using? That's true. However I didn't get any problems with Kubuntu 9.04. Now I'm running the development version up-to-date. Installed from the Alpha installer of Kubuntu 9.10. Do you know how to solve this ?. > >> >> The card uses the broadcom driver. Also, when I use : >> >> $ iwlist scan >> lo        Interface doesn't support scanning. >> >> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning. >> >> eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning. >> >> It doesn't recognize the available networks. However the kde applet >> does, but it doesn't connect to password protected networks. > > You have to use 'sudo iwlist scan' That's true. My bad. Sorry. > >> >> Any clues or ideas?. >> >> Juan >> > > Blessings, Best regards, Juan. > > Nigel > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From kaj at haulrich.net Wed Oct 14 18:40:08 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:40:08 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910142040.08697.kaj@haulrich.net> On Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:40:01 john d. herron wrote: > > Attempting to launch 'vuescan' from a "run command" box yields... > nothing. No, this is a KDE-only launcher - it runs KDE applications, not 'alien' applications like Vuescan. > Trying to run it from the bash console ($ > /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) yields an "unknown command" message. Now, you're getting closer. But the file 'vuescan' must be executable. This means that if you look at the file in i.e. Dolphin you should see something like: *vuescan 4,4 MiB 24/8-2009 11.25 -rwxr-xr-x root root excutable* where x means that root, you and others can run the file. If it isn't, then go to a terminal (konsole) , cd Vuescan and type: *sudo chmod a+x vuescan* (let them all have x-rights). If you're still in that directory, you can verify by typing: *ls -al* (list all files with attributes showing). If everything is right (the x bit is set), then: *./vuescan* (the ./ means the current directory). Now, if Vuescan comes up and runs, of course you'll need an easier way of launching the program. You could use the menu editor (right- click on the K icon down left) and fill out the boxes. Or you could create a link (shortcut) to vuescan by right-clicking somewhere in your desktop folder and select *create new link to application* > I'm not really an expert user and obviously doing something > woefully wrong. Could/would you perhaps help me out? I'm no expert either, but when you think about it the logic behind the whole rigmarole is beautiful. That's one of the reasons linux doesn't run viruses. Just imagine Ed Hamrick was an evil person (which he definitely isn't) and tricked you into something. Well, he can't, because YOU will decide if Vuescan is allowed to run. > Kay, do you think there might be any purpose to moving the > VueScan folder from /home/john to /opt? Absolutely not. I just keep it in /opt (which on my system has its own partition) together with things like Google Chrome, Opera, Picasa and such non-Kubuntu stuff in order to avoid re-installing when upgrading to the next Kubuntu version. Just like I keep /home on its own partition. You're perfectly able to run it from anywhere, but on a multi-user box I would put Vuescan somewhere outside the individual users accounts, for example /Vuescan. > I really do appreciate your help, guys. > john That's just the general idea with this list. :-) Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --------- Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 --------- From muzerakascooby at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:45:10 2009 From: muzerakascooby at gmail.com (Muzer) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:45:10 +0100 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <200910142040.08697.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <200910142040.08697.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4AD61C36.2060600@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:40:01 john d. herron wrote: >> Kay, do you think there might be any purpose to moving the >> VueScan folder from /home/john to /opt? > > Absolutely not. I just keep it in /opt (which on my system has its > own partition) together with things like Google Chrome, Opera, > Picasa and such non-Kubuntu stuff in order to avoid re-installing > when upgrading to the next Kubuntu version. Just like I keep /home > on its own partition. You're perfectly able to run it from anywhere, > but on a multi-user box I would put Vuescan somewhere outside the > individual users accounts, for example /Vuescan. 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Always the printjob is stopped after a few seconds. Printing out of any other application works fine an via terminal (lp foo.pdf) works too. I have no idea what's going wrong. Does anybody have a clue? Thank you Steffen From ssc1478 at aim.com Wed Oct 14 20:18:05 2009 From: ssc1478 at aim.com (ssc1478) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:18:05 -0400 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD54628.1070804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <5844a5e40910141318n75db90dbwfa853271f83fa879@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:31 PM, john d. herron wrote: > > Hi, all. > > I've installed and unsuccessfully tried to run a 'commercial' pdf scanning/manipulation app known as VueScan, which someone suggested in this forum around a month ago. > I contacted the author at , but he said he 'can't really help with diagnosing problems with missing libraries', and he mentioned some tips in the release notes which, however, went right over my head. > > Has anyone here had any experience with this software? If so, could you help me with some pointers? > > Thanks a lot. > > john I use it on ubuntu 8.04. I have version 8.5.14. I have had no problems. I installed it to /opt/VueScan. It's been a while but I think all I did was download the tar file to /opt and then untar it to VueScan. I think I did it as root. Not sure if you'll find anything here: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#linux Phil From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 20:31:30 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:31:30 -0400 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <1255552290.23896.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 16:40 +0200, john d. herron wrote: > Attempting to launch 'vuescan' from a "run command" box yields... > nothing. > Trying to run it from the bash console ($ /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) /Opt is most likely not in your path, so you would start it like ./vuescan in your /opt/Vuescan directory. Do an ls -la in that directory. It should have run permissions (x) for your user. Hope that helps. Ric From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 20:40:30 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:40:30 +0700 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <9844155d0910141340u62e6dbd0v7667e658e30d5d12@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:40 PM, john d. herron wrote: > Trying to run it from the bash console ($ /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) yields > an "unknown command" message. Open terminal. and cd to the VueScan john at john-desktop:~$ cd VueScan Make sure VueScan is executable, use sudo just in case john at john-desktop:~/ VueScan$ sudo chmod +x vuescan Try to launch vuescan usong ./ john at john-desktop:~/ VueScan$./vuescan What is the output? DK From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 23:49:32 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:49:32 +0300 Subject: weird cups problem Message-ID: <4AD6638C.7060209@gmail.com> after digging my head for hours of why is hp-toolbox failing to install my printer, which was already installed last week, and after another half an hour of wondering why i can't even access CUPS web interface, thiking it might be an iptables issue, since i played with it last week, and all the work trying to resolve my print issues, i realized the problem was simple, CUPS wasn't even running. very simple: willy at willy:/etc/cups$ sudo /etc/init.d/cups status Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is not running. willy at willy:/etc/cups$ sudo /etc/init.d/cups start * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd cupsd: Child exited on signal 15! [ OK ] willy at willy:/etc/cups$ so what on earth that means? i have no idea. since i'm using karmic, and downloading isn't something i like too much, i was postponing the update download till RC, but now i remembered something, maybe CUPS is broken due to some package mismatch? newer and older versions of CUPS-related packages exist on my system. so i downloaded 500 MB of packages, still, same problem. until i thought of looking at /etc/cups/cupsd.conf , and what a result i saw. inside that file i have the output of the command "mount" followed by a long long line of "@@@@@@@@@@@@" WTF? how did the output of my mount end up in cupsd.conf?? i most certianly did not cause this by anymistake since i never touched the file myself, it's always programs working on it. no one knows my sudo password, and it's not like anyone touches this computer anyways. some bad aptitude run? a bad fsck? how can that happen? anyways, i deleted the file, copied cupsd.conf.default to its place, and voila, everything is working perfectly again. sigh -- Willy K. 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In-Reply-To: <200910141712.52821.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <200910141712.52821.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4AD6772B.7080608@bluewin.ch> On 14/10/09 17:12, Nils Kassube wrote: > john d. herron wrote: >> [...] >> Trying to run 'vuescanfrom the bash console ($ >> /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) yields an "unknown command" message. >> > Is the file executable? Try "ls -l /home/john/VueScan/vuescan"... > Indeed it is, Nils. john at john-desktop:~$ ls -l /home/john/VueScan/vuescan -rwxr-xr-x 1 john john 6713572 2009-10-03 15:01 /home/john/VueScan/vuescan > The check for missing libraries suggested by Alvin yielded the following: > > john at john-desktop:~$ ldd ~/VueScan/vuescan > /home/john/VueScan/vuescan: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) > /home/john/VueScan/vuescan: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) > (an additional 37 or so lib files showed up OK) > > Where would I be most likely to find these two missing lib files? > > Oh, by the way: I did move the /Vuescan folder to /opt (where OOo 3 resides as well). > > john > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 02:45:39 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:45:39 +0700 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD6772B.7080608@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <200910141712.52821.kassube@gmx.net> <4AD6772B.7080608@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <9844155d0910141945t1f8c9211o7ab828dbf5608643@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:13 AM, john d. herron wrote: > > > On 14/10/09 17:12, Nils Kassube wrote: > > john d. herron wrote: > > [...] > Trying to run 'vuescanfrom the bash console ($ > /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) yields an "unknown command" message. > > > Is the file executable? Try "ls -l /home/john/VueScan/vuescan"... > > > Indeed it is, Nils. > john at john-desktop:~$ ls -l /home/john/VueScan/vuescan > -rwxr-xr-x 1 john john 6713572 2009-10-03 15:01 /home/john/VueScan/vuescan > > The check for missing libraries suggested by Alvin yielded the following: > > john at john-desktop:~$ ldd ~/VueScan/vuescan > /home/john/VueScan/vuescan: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' > not found (required by /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) > /home/john/VueScan/vuescan: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version > `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) > (an additional 37 or so lib files showed up OK) > > Where would I be most likely to find these two missing lib files? Try below first to see if it would install all for you: sudo apt-get install libstdc++6 DK From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 04:09:35 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:09:35 +1000 Subject: Printing PDF-Files with okular gets stopped In-Reply-To: <200910142102.43347.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> References: <200910142102.43347.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Message-ID: <210588748e6a632c4127d2adfcd9b404@localhost> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:02:43 +0200, Steffen Krapp wrote: > Hi, > > since today I have a strange behavior of okular. I cannot print any > pdf-file > with okular. Always the printjob is stopped after a few seconds. Printing > out > of any other application works fine an via terminal (lp foo.pdf) works > too. I > have no idea what's going wrong. Does anybody have a clue? Start okular from the terminal and print, so you can see any error output. That might help. -- Lindsay Mathieson http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home/ From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Thu Oct 15 10:40:13 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:40:13 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu Hardy to Jaunty failed Message-ID: <200910151140.13346.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Yesterday I tried to upgrade my wife's computer from Hardy to Jaunty after successfully doing it on 2 other computers. This time it started coming up with error messages saying certain packages couldn't be installed and stopped. I dropped into tty1 and carried on with the install there, but the part of the upgrade where it removes old packages didn't happen. If I do apt-show-versions |grep hardy on the computer I'm presented with a whole list of packages that I presume should have been removed. Can I safely remove all these packages? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From pwhite at bluewin.ch Thu Oct 15 16:26:10 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:26:10 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910151826.10602.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:40:01 john d. herron, vous avez écrit : > Trying to run it from the bash console ($ /home/john/VueScan/vuescan) > yields an "unknown command" message. I have been following the whole thread, and obviously the sytem issued this "unknown command" message because it didn't find or recognize an executable file in its path, but *nobody explained how it is possible.* You confirmed vuescan /(this file features an 'application' icon)/ was in /home/john/VueScan and "$ /home/john/VueScan/vuescan" is the proper syntax to call it. On later mail you also confirmed it has the "x" Alvin's suggestion was interresting: "on a side note: Your /home partition isn't mounted with 'noexec', is it?" You didn't answer this explicitely but I guess it was, right? *Could someone confirm "unknown command" is what the system answers in such case?* Then you moved Vuescan to /opt and ldd spoke about missing files, which implies ldd considered this vuescan as an exe, and got into it. From this I conclude that if you had tried $ /opt/Vuescan/vuescan the message was no longer "unknown command". Strangely Ed Hamrick, the author of the application, failed to recognize your initial problem of "unknown command" but correctly pointed to your second problem, the missing library. Does it work now? Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #377: Someone hooked the twisted pair wires into the answering machine From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Thu Oct 15 22:47:49 2009 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:47:49 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <1255552290.23896.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <1255552290.23896.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <4AD7A695.4090508@bluewin.ch> On 14/10/09 22:31, Ric Moore wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 16:40 +0200, john d. herron wrote: > >> /Opt is most likely not in your path, so you would start it like >> ./vuescan in your /opt/Vuescan directory. /opt is now in my path and has run permissions for everyone (I'm the only user on this stand-alone box) Out of an abundance of caution, /usr/lib is also now in my path. usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 and /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (a symlink pointing to libc-2.5.so) are in their expected locations. But running ./vuescan from the bash console from /opt/VueScan still complains: john at john-desktop:/opt/VueScan$ ./vuescan ./vuescan: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./vuescan) ./vuescan: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by ./vuescan) Friends, I've followed all of your suggestions, but I'm still no closer to getting vuescan working. Is there anything else I can or ought to do to get this thing to work? john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 01:41:40 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:41:40 +0700 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD7A695.4090508@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <1255552290.23896.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD7A695.4090508@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <9844155d0910151841h1019842bscf6e640a3c60250c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:47 AM, john d. herron wrote: > But running ./vuescan from the bash console from /opt/VueScan still > complains: > john at john-desktop:/opt/VueScan$ ./vuescan > ./vuescan: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found > (required by ./vuescan) > ./vuescan: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found > (required by ./vuescan) > > Friends, I've followed all of your suggestions, but I'm still no closer to > getting vuescan working. > Is there anything else I can or ought to do to get this thing to work? If sudo apt-get install libstdc++6 did not help, it looks like the libstdc++6 is newer than vueScan expect. The default kubuntu 9.04 is libstdc++.so.6.0.10 whereas Vuescan expecting libstdc++.so.6.0.9 You should try to download and copy older libstdc++6 manually: 1. Download the packge from below according to your kubuntu architecture: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libstdc++6 2. Extract libstdc++.so.6.0.9 from that package and put it on /usr/local/lib 3. sudo mv /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.original 4. make a new symlink to older libstdc++6: cd /usr/lib/ sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.9 libstdc++.so.6 Hopefully the above steps get you closer. DK From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 04:35:24 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:35:24 -0400 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD7A695.4090508@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <1255552290.23896.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD7A695.4090508@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <1255667724.27919.136.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 00:47 +0200, john d. herron wrote: > > > On 14/10/09 22:31, Ric Moore wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 16:40 +0200, john d. herron wrote: > > > > > /Opt is most likely not in your path, so you would start it like > > > ./vuescan in your /opt/Vuescan directory. > /opt is now in my path and has run permissions for everyone > (I'm the only user on this stand-alone box) > > Out of an abundance of caution, /usr/lib is also now in my path. > usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 and > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (a symlink pointing to libc-2.5.so) > are in their expected locations. > > But running ./vuescan from the bash console from /opt/VueScan still complains: > john at john-desktop:/opt/VueScan$ ./vuescan > ./vuescan: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./vuescan) > ./vuescan: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by ./vuescan) > > Friends, I've followed all of your suggestions, but I'm still no closer to getting vuescan working. > Is there anything else I can or ought to do to get this thing to work? Didn't you mention that you were running an old version of kubuntu?? Upgrade perhaps? :) Ric From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Fri Oct 16 06:43:33 2009 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:43:33 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910151841h1019842bscf6e640a3c60250c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <1255552290.23896.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD7A695.4090508@bluewin.ch> <9844155d0910151841h1019842bscf6e640a3c60250c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD81615.5090402@bluewin.ch> On 16/10/09 03:41, David Kuntadi wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:47 AM, john d. herron > [...] > >> john at john-desktop:/opt/VueScan$ ./vuescan >> ./vuescan: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: *version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9'* not found >> (required by ./vuescan) >> ./vuescan: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: *version `GLIBC_2.7'* not found >> (required by ./vuescan) >> >> If sudo apt-get install libstdc++6 did not help, it looks like the >> libstdc++6 is newer than vueScan expect. The default kubuntu 9.04 is >> libstdc++.so.6.0.10 whereas Vuescan expecting libstdc++.so.6.0.9 >> >> /When I did 'sudo apt-get install libstdc++6', as had been suggested, apt said 'libstdc++6 is already the newest' and installed nothing./ >> >> /I am working with a Feisty distro (7.04), where libstdc++.so.6.0.9 is indeed standard in /usr/lib./ >> /It is the same ///libstdc++.so.6.0.9 (947.9 KB) present in Hardy (8.04) >> But it doesn't seem to be the same as the not-found libstdc++.so.6 //*version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9* that vuescan is complaining about? >> >> >> john >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 07:36:40 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:36:40 +0700 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? In-Reply-To: <4AD81615.5090402@bluewin.ch> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <1255552290.23896.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD7A695.4090508@bluewin.ch> <9844155d0910151841h1019842bscf6e640a3c60250c@mail.gmail.com> <4AD81615.5090402@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <9844155d0910160036m711b71b4h721d31d0b4836dcb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:43 PM, john d. herron wrote: > > > On 16/10/09 03:41, David Kuntadi wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:47 AM, john d. herron > [...] > > > john at john-desktop:/opt/VueScan$ ./vuescan > ./vuescan: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found > (required by ./vuescan) > ./vuescan: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' > not found > (required by ./vuescan) > > If sudo apt-get install libstdc++6 did not help, it looks like the > libstdc++6 is newer than vueScan expect. The default kubuntu 9.04 is > libstdc++.so.6.0.10 whereas Vuescan expecting libstdc++.so.6.0.9 > > When I did 'sudo apt-get install libstdc++6', as had been suggested, apt > said 'libstdc++6 is already the newest' and installed nothing. > > I am working with a Feisty distro (7.04), where libstdc++.so.6.0.9 is indeed > standard in /usr/lib. > It is the same libstdc++.so.6.0.9 (947.9 KB) present in Hardy (8.04) > But it doesn't seem to be the same as the not-found libstdc++.so.6 version > `GLIBCXX_3.4.9 that vuescan is complaining about? As Phil said vuescan run on Hardy, just replace whatever library it complain on Fiesty with the ones from Hardy's package using the above method. But why don't you upgrade to Hardy instead? DK From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Fri Oct 16 17:03:55 2009 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:03:55 +0100 Subject: sbackup - anyone using? Message-ID: <4AD8A77B.7030709@candt.waitrose.com> Anyone using sbakup in kubuntu please? It looks like it is made for gnome not kde, and when it runs in kubuntu (8.04) a lot of the configuration options are greyed out, I guess because it is in kde no gnome. Comments appreciated -- alan cocks Ubuntu user From claydoh at midmaine.com Fri Oct 16 19:35:10 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:35:10 -0400 Subject: sbackup - anyone using? In-Reply-To: <4AD8A77B.7030709@candt.waitrose.com> References: <4AD8A77B.7030709@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: <4AD8CAEE.6090002@midmaine.com> alan c wrote: > Anyone using sbakup in kubuntu please? > > It looks like it is made for gnome not kde, and when it runs in > kubuntu (8.04) a lot of the configuration options are greyed out, I > guess because it is in kde no gnome. > > Comments appreciated Yes, sbackup is an Ubuntu-based utility, and is gnome-based. I have not used it in a while, but I used to use it as my main backup tool with no issue - not sure if I stopped using it pre- hardy opr sometime before Intrepid. The app itself has not been updated since May of 2007. I just installed it in karmic, and all the options are available to me. perhaps you have some missing dependencies? I suggest looking in your menu editor for the app's entry to find the command line to use, and plug that into a terminal to see if it spits out any error message about missing 'blah' or can't find 'foo' clay From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Fri Oct 16 21:33:09 2009 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:33:09 +0100 Subject: sbackup - anyone using? In-Reply-To: <4AD8CAEE.6090002@midmaine.com> References: <4AD8A77B.7030709@candt.waitrose.com> <4AD8CAEE.6090002@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4AD8E695.2030702@candt.waitrose.com> clay weber wrote: > alan c wrote: >> Anyone using sbakup in kubuntu please? >> >> It looks like it is made for gnome not kde, and when it runs in >> kubuntu (8.04) a lot of the configuration options are greyed out, I >> guess because it is in kde no gnome. >> >> Comments appreciated > > Yes, sbackup is an Ubuntu-based utility, and is gnome-based. > > I have not used it in a while, but I used to use it as my main backup > tool with no issue - not sure if I stopped using it pre- hardy opr > sometime before Intrepid. The app itself has not been updated since May > of 2007. > > I just installed it in karmic, and all the options are available to me. > perhaps you have some missing dependencies? I suggest looking in your > menu editor for the app's entry to find the command line to use, and > plug that into a terminal to see if it spits out any error message about > missing 'blah' or can't find 'foo' > > clay Thanks. iirc karmic (9.04) does give a later version which is more sensible if the external target drive is missing. I will look at dependencies. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Sat Oct 17 02:31:45 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:31:45 -0500 Subject: sbackup - anyone using? In-Reply-To: <4AD8E695.2030702@candt.waitrose.com> References: <4AD8A77B.7030709@candt.waitrose.com> <4AD8CAEE.6090002@midmaine.com> <4AD8E695.2030702@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: <200910162131.45204.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Friday 16 October 2009 04:33:09 pm alan c wrote: > clay weber wrote: > > alan c wrote: > >> Anyone using sbakup in kubuntu please? > >> > >> It looks like it is made for gnome not kde, and when it runs in > >> kubuntu (8.04) a lot of the configuration options are greyed out, I > >> guess because it is in kde no gnome. > >> > >> Comments appreciated > > > > Yes, sbackup is an Ubuntu-based utility, and is gnome-based. > > > > I have not used it in a while, but I used to use it as my main backup > > tool with no issue - not sure if I stopped using it pre- hardy opr > > sometime before Intrepid. The app itself has not been updated since May > > of 2007. > > > > I just installed it in karmic, and all the options are available to me. > > perhaps you have some missing dependencies? I suggest looking in your > > menu editor for the app's entry to find the command line to use, and > > plug that into a terminal to see if it spits out any error message about > > missing 'blah' or can't find 'foo' > > > > clay > > Thanks. > iirc karmic (9.04) does give a later version which is more sensible if > the external target drive is missing. > I will look at dependencies. Technically, 9.04 is Jaunty and Karmic is 9.10!!! > > -- > alan cocks > Ubuntu user > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Bruce Mac Arthur 15875 Switzer Overland Park, KS 66221 913-897-4157 bmacasuru at fastmail.us From mailinglists at steffenkrapp.de Sat Oct 17 09:31:36 2009 From: mailinglists at steffenkrapp.de (Steffen Krapp) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:31:36 +0200 Subject: [Solved] Re: Printing PDF-Files with okular gets stopped In-Reply-To: <210588748e6a632c4127d2adfcd9b404@localhost> References: <200910142102.43347.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> <210588748e6a632c4127d2adfcd9b404@localhost> Message-ID: <200910171131.36785.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Hello, Am Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 06:09:35 schrieb Lindsay Mathieson: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:02:43 +0200, Steffen Krapp > > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > since today I have a strange behavior of okular. I cannot print any > > pdf-file > > with okular. Always the printjob is stopped after a few seconds. > > Printing > > > out > > of any other application works fine an via terminal (lp foo.pdf) works > > too. I > > have no idea what's going wrong. Does anybody have a clue? > > Start okular from the terminal and print, so you can see any error output. > That might help. > the next day an update came and the problem is solved. Thanks! Steffen From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Sat Oct 17 14:00:42 2009 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:00:42 +0100 Subject: sbackup - anyone using? In-Reply-To: <200910162131.45204.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <4AD8A77B.7030709@candt.waitrose.com> <4AD8CAEE.6090002@midmaine.com> <4AD8E695.2030702@candt.waitrose.com> <200910162131.45204.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <4AD9CE0A.80504@candt.waitrose.com> Bruce MacArthur wrote: > On Friday 16 October 2009 04:33:09 pm alan c wrote: >> clay weber wrote: >> > alan c wrote: >> >> Anyone using sbakup in kubuntu please? >> >> >> >> It looks like it is made for gnome not kde, and when it runs in >> >> kubuntu (8.04) a lot of the configuration options are greyed out, I >> >> guess because it is in kde no gnome. >> >> >> >> Comments appreciated >> > >> > Yes, sbackup is an Ubuntu-based utility, and is gnome-based. >> > >> > I have not used it in a while, but I used to use it as my main > backup >> > tool with no issue - not sure if I stopped using it pre- hardy opr >> > sometime before Intrepid. The app itself has not been updated since > May >> > of 2007. >> > >> > I just installed it in karmic, and all the options are available to > me. >> > perhaps you have some missing dependencies? I suggest looking in > your >> > menu editor for the app's entry to find the command line to use, and >> > plug that into a terminal to see if it spits out any error message > about >> > missing 'blah' or can't find 'foo' >> > >> > clay >> >> Thanks. >> iirc karmic (9.04) does give a later version which is more sensible if >> the external target drive is missing. >> I will look at dependencies. > Technically, 9.04 is Jaunty and Karmic is 9.10!!! Whoops! yes thanks -- alan cocks Ubuntu user From pwhite at bluewin.ch Sat Oct 17 15:46:59 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:46:59 +0200 Subject: Follow up driver G210 (used to be: driver for HP2309v) In-Reply-To: <200907261137.40724.donn.ingle@gmail.com> References: <200907202327.12359.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200907261129.20194.pwhite@bluewin.ch> <200907261137.40724.donn.ingle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910171746.59923.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Sunday 26 July 2009 11:37:40 Donn, vous avez écrit : [snip] I wrote earlier : > I belive there is not yet a linux G210 driver so I would like to find a > driver most similar to it. Donn suggested: [install] at least nvidia-glx-180. I tried it unsuccesfully (on Kubu 9, not on my working 8 system). I learned about envyng and I tried it (unsuccessfully) with nvidia-glx-180. I found out later that my G210 card was not covered in nvidia-glx-180. So I waited ... and when I next felt like takkling this problem again NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.32-pkg1.run was just released. ********************************************** I manually installed NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.32-pkg1.run following as example ********************************************** The computer had many "hickups", first it didn't want to display the higher resolution of 1920x1080 in the screen part of configuration under KMenu, I (had to?) change the line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section "Screen" Virtual 1600 1200 to Virtual 1920 1080 to make it work. Now this configuration tool shows me many configurations that are not present in my xorg.conf modelines (what are they for?) but *at last it works +/-* What happens is: First screen with the KUbuntu logo and progress bar: O.K. then the Welcome screen (to input password) is a virtual screen (bigger than the display) with right side partly visible and garbeled...but it is usable. After sending the password the screen goes black, then checkered grey and white, then into the desired 1920x1080 resolution, within seconds. Is there any chance it might damage my monitor in the long run? If not, I could live with this, but if I had to advertise KUbuntu to friends I'd better distract them away from my booting screen or solve this. I must confess that before I was able to get the 1920x1080 resolution I opted for 1600x1200, the most decent one among the 5 that appeared in my screen confuguration tool (less than what was in my xorg.conf modelines or modes!!), but this wasn't 16/9 as my screen aspect ratio...I got so used seeing enlarged icons and pictures of fat people that the new correct display now seems odd to me. Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #384: it's an ID-10-T error From tuxebi at gmx.de Sat Oct 17 17:52:35 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:52:35 +0200 Subject: Upgrade to kde 4.3 rc2 In-Reply-To: <200907210333.02714.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <200907210333.02714.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Steven Vollom wrote: > > I am writing from the Live CD, and am sending this post perhaps prematurely, > due to the fact that when I re-boot, if it doesn't work, I will have to boot > to the live CD once more to get you back. TIA, > > Steven > And Steven, are you now back to KDE? My advice would be that you might install another desktop, so that you will have an alternative, when KDE will not start. From a console, enter: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop This will install Xubuntu, and when you cannot get KDE to run, you choose "xubuntu" from your login screen and then you can use all of your Applications that you are used to from xubuntu. Thus you will avoid the boot CD hassle. Kind regards Eberhard From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 02:05:16 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:05:16 +1000 Subject: Skype Bandwidth Cosumption? Message-ID: <200910181205.16523.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> After a considerable amount of pain I have Skype Sound + Video working from the repos on Karmic Beta 1 :) Now can chat to my parents in New Zealand. The Logitech WebCam E3500 actually works pretty well. Once concern is that a remember a fair amount of fuss with regards to Skype peer-peer usage consuming your bandwidth even when offline, so long as the skype client is still running. With my cap at 7GB/Month this is a big issue. Is this still an issue if behind a Firewall? I have my router set to block all incoming connections and allow all outgoing. -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 02:12:44 2009 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:12:44 +0700 Subject: Skype Bandwidth Cosumption? In-Reply-To: <200910181205.16523.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> References: <200910181205.16523.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9844155d0910171912n7d1df658k953b1e8ef1450152@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > After a considerable amount of pain I have Skype Sound + Video working from > the repos on Karmic Beta 1 :) Now can chat to my parents in New Zealand. The > Logitech WebCam E3500 actually works pretty well. > > Once concern is that a remember a fair amount of fuss with regards to Skype > peer-peer usage consuming your bandwidth even when offline, so long as the skype > client is still running. With my cap at 7GB/Month this is a big issue. > > Is this still an issue if behind a Firewall? I have my router set to block all > incoming connections and allow all outgoing. As long as your skype is contactable, I guess it is still an issue. DK From john_re at fastmail.us Sun Oct 18 08:45:05 2009 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:45:05 -0700 Subject: Sunday 18th 12N-3P PDST Global KUbuntu Mtg - BerkeleyTIP - for forwarding Message-ID: <1255855505.20633.1340652355@webmail.messagingengine.com> Join the global Free SW HW & Culture meeting online via VOIP & IRC. Sunday Oct 18, 12N-3P Pacific Daylight Savings Time (UTC-8), 3P-6P Eastern, (7P-10P UTC?) http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance Or, come to the UCBerkeley Free Speech Cafe. Discuss the videos, work on your own projects & share them with others, & help work on the group projects. Get a VOIP headset, & join the #berkeleytip channel on irc.freenode.net We'll help you install VOIP client SW, & join the global meeting. Join with the meeting from your home via VOIP, or create a local meeting at your local college wifi cafe. http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule I finally got some posters up around campus. :) ===== Talk/Video October: Open Source-and-Mac Other OSs http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/OpenSource-and-Mac-Alternatives-to-Windows-7-649233/ http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos ===== Some Topics for discussion: How get better WiFi at FSC - talk to UCB net services? FreeSwitch install on UCB box KUbuntu 9.10 out this month Plan for a UCB installfest - leaders, helpers, announcements Flyers post throughout campus beginning November? SSL & OpenVPN on UCB box ===== Join the mailing lists & say hi, tell us what you are interested in. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal You are invited to forward this message anywhere it would be welcomed. :) From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 18:24:05 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:24:05 +0300 Subject: aptitude and package removal Message-ID: <4ADB5D45.2050704@gmail.com> so today, i ran aptitude full-upgrade, i saw on top that it was going to remove grub-doc. i wanted to see why the package is going to be removed, so i typed beside the (y/n/?) question "i grub-doc", and the answer was: Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] i grub-doc Package: grub-doc New: yes State: installed; will be removed because nothing depends on it Automatically installed: no Version: 0.97-29ubuntu58 Priority: optional Section: doc as you can see, it was manually installed, i like to have the doc packages for quick references since internet is not always available or too slow to look up for help. it's going to be removed because nothing depends on it. but... there are tons of other packages that nothing depends on them :S according to my understanding, a package is usually removed when nothing depends on it, and was automatically installed as a dependency of another package. if the other package is removed, it gets removed as well. but this... it was *manually* installed. why is it flagged for removal? -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Co. Manager of Zeina Computer & Billy Net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[Y/n/?] i grub-doc > > Package: grub-doc > > New: yes > > State: installed; will be removed because nothing depends on it > > Automatically installed: no > > Version: 0.97-29ubuntu58 > > Priority: optional > > Section: doc > > as you can see, it was manually installed, i like to have the doc > packages for quick references since internet is not always available or > too slow to look up for help. it's going to be removed because nothing > depends on it. but... there are tons of other packages that nothing > depends on them :S > according to my understanding, a package is usually removed when nothing > depends on it, and was automatically installed as a dependency of > another package. if the other package is removed, it gets removed as well. > but this... it was *manually* installed. why is it flagged for removal? > > Maybe an updated package depends on a package that conflicts with and replaces it? - -- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a--- C+++ UL+++>++++ P+>+++ L+++>+++++ E---->--- W+++ N o? 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Hamra) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:39:28 +0300 Subject: aptitude and package removal In-Reply-To: <4ADB6027.2020704@gmail.com> References: <4ADB5D45.2050704@gmail.com> <4ADB6027.2020704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADB6EF0.50801@gmail.com> Muzer wrote: > Willy K. Hamra wrote: >> so today, i ran aptitude full-upgrade, i saw on top that it was going to >> remove grub-doc. >> i wanted to see why the package is going to be removed, so i typed >> beside the (y/n/?) question "i grub-doc", and the answer was: > >> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] i grub-doc > >> Package: grub-doc > >> New: yes > >> State: installed; will be removed because nothing depends on it > >> Automatically installed: no > >> Version: 0.97-29ubuntu58 > >> Priority: optional > >> Section: doc > >> as you can see, it was manually installed, i like to have the doc >> packages for quick references since internet is not always available or >> too slow to look up for help. it's going to be removed because nothing >> depends on it. but... there are tons of other packages that nothing >> depends on them :S >> according to my understanding, a package is usually removed when nothing >> depends on it, and was automatically installed as a dependency of >> another package. if the other package is removed, it gets removed as well. >> but this... it was *manually* installed. why is it flagged for removal? > > > Maybe an updated package depends on a package that conflicts with and > replaces it? > thanks for the hint, indeed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] +grub-doc ... ... The following packages have unmet dependencies: grub-common: Conflicts: grub-doc (< 0.97-32) but 0.97-29ubuntu58 is installed. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: grub-doc Score is 119 Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] now... where IS version 0.97-32? i guess i'll wait a couple more days, hopefully, there will be no missing packages. thanks for your help -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From magick.crow at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 06:26:25 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:26:25 +0200 Subject: Skype Bandwidth Cosumption? In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910171912n7d1df658k953b1e8ef1450152@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910181205.16523.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> <9844155d0910171912n7d1df658k953b1e8ef1450152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:12 AM, David Kuntadi wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Lindsay Mathieson > wrote: >> After a considerable amount of pain I have Skype Sound + Video working from >> the repos on Karmic Beta 1 :) Now can chat to my parents in New Zealand. The >> Logitech WebCam E3500 actually works pretty well. >> >> Once concern is that a remember a fair amount of fuss with regards to Skype >> peer-peer usage consuming your bandwidth even when offline, so long as the skype >> client is still running. With my cap at 7GB/Month this is a big issue. >> >> Is this still an issue if behind a Firewall? I have my router set to block all >> incoming connections and allow all outgoing. > > As long as your skype is contactable, I guess it is still an issue. > > DK Seems that I read something here about being able to limit bandwidth by program. That might work. Also, if you plan you call times you can just turn the program off. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 10:08:56 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:08:56 +0300 Subject: Setting up network printer Message-ID: <200910191308.56935.gkourtev@gmail.com> Dear all, I was trying to set-up a network printer unsuccessfully. From the System Setting --> Printer Configuration --> New Printer -->New Network Printer. It seems that the system attaches the printer, but cannot print test page nor anything else. The printer is connected to the network and has its own IP. Other PCs (with different OS can use it fine). Any help? Thanks. gk (9.04, KDE 4.3.2) From eight32 at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 10:30:21 2009 From: eight32 at gmail.com (Stuart Murray-Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:30:21 +0200 Subject: Setting up network printer In-Reply-To: <200910191308.56935.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200910191308.56935.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: > I was trying to set-up a network printer unsuccessfully. From the System > Setting --> Printer Configuration --> New Printer -->New Network Printer. > > It seems that the system attaches the printer, but cannot print test page nor > anything else. > > The printer is connected to the network and has its own IP. Other PCs (with > different OS can use it fine). Open a browser and try adding your network printer with CUPS: http://localhost:631/ HTH Stu@ -- Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free From tanghus at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 11:00:48 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:00:48 +0200 Subject: X falls back to VESA after newest update Message-ID: <200910191300.48914.tanghus@gmail.com> This morning I got updates for my Intel drivers and I thought that finally I could get rid of some of the bugs and maybe X would enable DRI. After restart I was greeted with a login screen running 640X480 and no way to set it any higher. At the same time the fonts are so fuzzy that I can hardly read what I'm writing. Gotta admit that I have deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu jaunty main enabled in sources.list. I know that I could probably just comment that out and do an update and upgrade, but I would like to get the newest drivers working if possible. Searching thru Xorg.0.log I found these lines that might explain what is happening but doesn't give me a clue about what to do. (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "dri2" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri2.so (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DRI2 (II) Scanning /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci directory for additional PCI ID's supported by the drivers (II) No matches found for this device in /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci (==) Registering 'vesa' as fallback (==) Matched vesa for the autoconfigured driver (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout (II) LoadModule: "vesa" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.5.99.902, module version = 1.3.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00 at 00:02:0 and: (II) VESA(0): Total Memory: 13 64KB banks (832kB) (II) VESA(0): Configured Monitor: Using hsync range of 30.00-80.00 kHz (II) VESA(0): Configured Monitor: Using vrefresh range of 56.00-76.00 Hz (II) VESA(0): Configured Monitor: Using maximum pixel clock of 140.00 MHz (WW) VESA(0): Unable to estimate virtual size (--) VESA(0): Virtual size is 640x480 (pitch 640) (**) VESA(0): *Built-in mode "640x480" (**) VESA(0): Display dimensions: (340, 270) mm (**) VESA(0): DPI set to (47, 45) Any suggestions or should I just fall back to the stuck Jaunty drivers? -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 11:59:03 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:59:03 +0300 Subject: Setting up network printer In-Reply-To: References: <200910191308.56935.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910191459.03264.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Monday 19 October 2009 13:30:21 Stuart Murray-Smith wrote: > > I was trying to set-up a network printer unsuccessfully. From the System > > Setting --> Printer Configuration --> New Printer -->New Network Printer. > > > > It seems that the system attaches the printer, but cannot print test page > > nor anything else. > > > > The printer is connected to the network and has its own IP. Other PCs > > (with different OS can use it fine). > > Open a browser and try adding your network printer with CUPS: > > http://localhost:631/ > > HTH > > Stu@ > Thanks. I tried but got the following message: /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed ...and no printing. Interestingly, when I ping the printer with its IP, I got response. gk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind regards Eberhard From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 13:15:24 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:15:24 +0300 Subject: Setting up network printer SOLVED In-Reply-To: <200910191459.03264.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200910191308.56935.gkourtev@gmail.com> <200910191459.03264.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910191615.24565.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Monday 19 October 2009 14:59:03 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > On Monday 19 October 2009 13:30:21 Stuart Murray-Smith wrote: > > > I was trying to set-up a network printer unsuccessfully. From the > > > System Setting --> Printer Configuration --> New Printer -->New Network > > > Printer. > > > > > > It seems that the system attaches the printer, but cannot print test > > > page nor anything else. > > > > > > The printer is connected to the network and has its own IP. Other PCs > > > (with different OS can use it fine). > > > > Open a browser and try adding your network printer with CUPS: > > > > http://localhost:631/ > > > > HTH > > > > Stu@ > > Thanks. I tried but got the following message: > /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed > > ...and no printing. Interestingly, when I ping the printer with its IP, I > got response. > gk > After running as root hp-setup, I got a message that additional plugins are needed for that printer. After installing them all works fine. Thanks. gk From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 13:18:09 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:18:09 +0300 Subject: Setting up network printer In-Reply-To: References: <200910191308.56935.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910191618.09570.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Monday 19 October 2009 16:08:14 Eberhard Roloff wrote: > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I was trying to set-up a network printer unsuccessfully. From the System > > Setting --> Printer Configuration --> New Printer -->New Network Printer. > > > > It seems that the system attaches the printer, but cannot print test page > > nor anything else. > > > > The printer is connected to the network and has its own IP. Other PCs > > (with different OS can use it fine). > > > > Any help? Thanks. > > gk (9.04, KDE 4.3.2) > > would you mind telling us which printer you might want to > connect via the network? > > Kind regards > Eberhard > I missed that - HP Laser Jet M1120n MFP gk From steve.cookson at sca-uk.com Mon Oct 19 14:27:52 2009 From: steve.cookson at sca-uk.com (Steve Cookson) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:27:52 -0200 Subject: Kpackage Kit Message-ID: <70EE1B2F582D4EB8B8460E1138301ECA@SACWS001> Hi Users, What a fantastic tool! But where does it put all the applications? And how do I access them? Confused :} Steve From eight32 at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 15:11:23 2009 From: eight32 at gmail.com (Stuart Murray-Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:11:23 +0200 Subject: Setting up network printer In-Reply-To: <200910191459.03264.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200910191308.56935.gkourtev@gmail.com> <200910191459.03264.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> > I was trying to set-up a network printer unsuccessfully. From the System >> > Setting --> Printer Configuration --> New Printer -->New Network Printer. >> > It seems that the system attaches the printer, but cannot print test page nor anything else. >> > The printer is connected to the network and has its own IP. Other PCs (with different OS can use it fine). >> Open a browser and try adding your network printer with CUPS: >> http://localhost:631/ > Thanks. I tried but got the following message: > /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed > ...and no printing. Interestingly, when I ping the printer with its IP, I > got response. hplip installed? OS patched to date? did you upgrade your OS from an earlier version? try running: $ sudo aa-complain cupsd what's the output of: $ sudo hp-check -t try installing the PPD file also, look here: http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_M1120_MFP Stu@ From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Oct 19 15:12:39 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:12:39 -0400 Subject: Kpackage Kit In-Reply-To: <70EE1B2F582D4EB8B8460E1138301ECA@SACWS001> References: <70EE1B2F582D4EB8B8460E1138301ECA@SACWS001> Message-ID: <200910191112.40051.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Monday 19 October 2009 10:27:52 am Steve Cookson wrote: > Hi Users, > > What a fantastic tool! But where does it put all the applications? And > how do I access them? > > Confused :} > > Steve > If the application in a GUI app, then it *should* put a menu entry somewhere. Though sometimes the name of the executable is not always obvious, you should be able to type in some part of it in the search area at tho top of your main menu (or via alt-f2 keystroke). But if the app is a command-line app (as quite a few are) then you would have to run them from Konole. What specific apps have you installed that you cannot find? clay From steve.cookson at sca-uk.com Mon Oct 19 17:51:57 2009 From: steve.cookson at sca-uk.com (Steve Cookson) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:51:57 -0200 Subject: Kpackage Kit In-Reply-To: <200910191112.40051.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <70EE1B2F582D4EB8B8460E1138301ECA@SACWS001> <200910191112.40051.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: >What specific apps have you installed that you cannot find? Hi Clay, Thanks for this. For instance: Unixodbc-bin - 2.2.11-16build3 (Graphical tools for ODBC management and browsing) Looks like a GUI ODBC tool, but no idea where it is. Regards Steve From sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 18:33:22 2009 From: sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk (James Tappin) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:33:22 +0100 Subject: Kpackage Kit In-Reply-To: References: <70EE1B2F582D4EB8B8460E1138301ECA@SACWS001> <200910191112.40051.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20091019193322.0bfda738.sjt@star.sr.bham.ac.uk> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:51:57 -0200 "Steve Cookson" wrote: SC> For instance: SC> SC> Unixodbc-bin - 2.2.11-16build3 (Graphical tools for ODBC management and SC> browsing) SC> SC> Looks like a GUI ODBC tool, but no idea where it is. dpkg -L Unixodbc-bin - 2.2.11-16build3 | grep /usr/share/applnk in a terminal will list the files that should be in the menu system. -- +------------------------+-------------------------------+---------+ | James Tappin | School of Physics & Astronomy | O__ | | sjt at star.sr.bham.ac.uk | University of Birmingham | -- \/` | | Ph: 0121-414-6462. Fax: 0121-414-3722 | | +--------------------------------------------------------+---------+ From pwhite at bluewin.ch Mon Oct 19 18:40:23 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:40:23 +0200 Subject: X falls back to VESA after newest update In-Reply-To: <200910191300.48914.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910191300.48914.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910192040.24462.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Monday 19 October 2009 13:00:48 Thomas Olsen, vous avez écrit : > This morning I got updates for my Intel drivers and I thought that finally > I could get rid of some of the bugs and maybe X would enable DRI. After > restart I was greeted with a login screen running 640X480 and no way to set > it any higher. At the same time the fonts are so fuzzy that I can hardly > read what I'm writing. [snip] Did by any chance this "update" make a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? Try to find from the date, name and content if there is a suitable file to be renamed as xorg.conf (first rename the actual xorg as xorg.10.19.01, you newer know why). Then restart x (ctrl alt backspace, or better Alt+SysRq+K, or reboot) YMMV. Else read what is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if you can find anything there. I have been struggling with *my* screen resolution (and my graphical card driver) lately but unfortunately my knowledge is too specific and too poor to help you further, I even had to google "DRI" to find out it was "Direct Rendering Infrastructure". Whish you good luck Perry -- BOFH excuse #70: nesting roaches shorted out the ether cable From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 19 18:18:19 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:18:19 -0300 Subject: Kpackage Kit References: <70EE1B2F582D4EB8B8460E1138301ECA@SACWS001> <200910191112.40051.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: Steve Cookson wrote: >>What specific apps have you installed that you cannot find? > > Hi Clay, > > Thanks for this. > > For instance: > > Unixodbc-bin - 2.2.11-16build3 (Graphical tools for ODBC management and > browsing) er.... unixodbc-bin? -- derek From tanghus at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 21:56:13 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:56:13 +0200 Subject: [SOLVED] Re: X falls back to VESA after newest update In-Reply-To: <200910192040.24462.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <200910191300.48914.tanghus@gmail.com> <200910192040.24462.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910192356.13861.tanghus@gmail.com> On 19/10-2009 20:40 Perry wrote: > Le Monday 19 October 2009 13:00:48 Thomas Olsen, vous avez écrit : > > This morning I got updates for my Intel drivers and I thought that > > finally I could get rid of some of the bugs and maybe X would enable DRI. > > After restart I was greeted with a login screen running 640X480 and no > > way to set it any higher. At the same time the fonts are so fuzzy that I > > can hardly read what I'm writing. > > [snip] > > Did by any chance this "update" make a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? > Try to find from the date, name and content if there is a suitable file to > be renamed as xorg.conf (first rename the actual xorg as xorg.10.19.01, > you newer know why). Then restart x (ctrl alt backspace, or better > Alt+SysRq+K, or reboot) > YMMV. > Else read what is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if you can find anything > there. > > I have been struggling with *my* screen resolution (and my graphical card > driver) lately but unfortunately my knowledge is too specific and too poor > to help you further, I even had to google "DRI" to find out it was "Direct > Rendering Infrastructure". > > Whish you good luck Perry > Hi Perry Thanks for the the reply. I should have written that I solved the problems. First I got X to use the new Intel drivers but they froze up any input devices. Then I spent a lot of hours just trying to get the vesa drivers to work. Lastly I rolled back to pre-Jaunty Intel drivers[*] and now it's snappier than before :-) [*] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Oct 19 23:42:28 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (clay weber) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:42:28 -0400 Subject: Kpackage Kit In-Reply-To: References: <70EE1B2F582D4EB8B8460E1138301ECA@SACWS001> <200910191112.40051.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4ADCF964.2070001@midmaine.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Steve Cookson wrote: > >>> What specific apps have you installed that you cannot find? >> Hi Clay, >> >> Thanks for this. >> In KPAckageKit you can also look at the file list, usually the executable is in /usr/bin Also sometimes menu items do not show up immediately, usually a logout/login is one method to refresh that (without using a command prompt) >> For instance: >> >> Unixodbc-bin - 2.2.11-16build3 (Graphical tools for ODBC management and >> browsing) > > er.... unixodbc-bin? That doesn't work for all apps, Virtualbox for example is not 'virtualbox' (lower case) as one would expect, but 'VirtualBox'. But a vast majority of things it is the case clay From mdhirsch at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 23:45:39 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:45:39 -0600 Subject: kopete is freaking out Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0910191645r66e0e362re985c9b7235d09f9@mail.gmail.com> Today kopete started acting weird at work. I have 4 accounts: AIM, YIM, Google, and our local jabber server. After kopete starts up I typically join a chatroom on the local server. Today, that breaks kopete. Once I join the chatroom I can no longer interact with kopete. Keystrokes and mouse clicks are ignored. I can't select any menus, of course, because the mouse is ignored. The only way out seems to be to kill it and restart. If I don't join the chatroom I can still interact with people in one on one conversations. However, I notice that kopete claims to have several "running jobs". These seem to be the notifications that kopete sends and receives. When the popups notify me of people loggin in or out, I get a notice that there are 5 or so jobs running. In my system tray there is a message I've never noticed before at the right of the tray saying "0/6" and has a little whirling busy symbol on top. I think this is the same as my running jobs, with maybe one more job than the popup. Any idea what's going on? This is KDE 4.3.2 on Jaunty. Thanks, Michael From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 20 00:34:15 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:34:15 -0300 Subject: Kpackage Kit References: <70EE1B2F582D4EB8B8460E1138301ECA@SACWS001> <200910191112.40051.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4ADCF964.2070001@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <75dvq6-5m6.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> clay weber wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Steve Cookson wrote: >> >>>> What specific apps have you installed that you cannot find? >>> Hi Clay, >>> >>> Thanks for this. >>> > In KPAckageKit you can also look at the file list, usually the > executable is in /usr/bin > > Also sometimes menu items do not show up immediately, usually a > logout/login is one method to refresh that (without using a command > prompt) >>> For instance: >>> >>> Unixodbc-bin - 2.2.11-16build3 (Graphical tools for ODBC management and >>> browsing) >> >> er.... unixodbc-bin? > > That doesn't work for all apps, No, it doesn't - but I actually did "apt-cache search odbc", and unixodbc- bin showed up. I was expecting the package to be just unixodbc. > Virtualbox for example is not > 'virtualbox' (lower case) as one would expect, but 'VirtualBox'. But a > vast majority of things it is the case I guess we understood different things from the question - but once you have the package (unixodbc-bin, or in your example virtualbox, virtualbox-ose or virtualbox-3.0) it's just "dpkg -L $PACKAGE" to find the actual programs (which I guess is what you're suggesting to do with kpackagekit -I've tried to use it, but it's a complete waste of time for me. I do most of my downloading at work, but they have a weird bandwidth throttling mechanism that makes any of the gui apt tools useless. I have to keep killing and restarting "aptitude full-upgrade -y" to get any reasonable throughput). -- derek From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Tue Oct 20 05:53:41 2009 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:53:41 +0200 Subject: Scanning app 'vuescan' for Linux - has anyone installed/used it? (SOLVED) In-Reply-To: <9844155d0910160036m711b71b4h721d31d0b4836dcb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AD5E2C1.3090106@bluewin.ch> <1255552290.23896.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <4AD7A695.4090508@bluewin.ch> <9844155d0910151841h1019842bscf6e640a3c60250c@mail.gmail.com> <4AD81615.5090402@bluewin.ch> <9844155d0910160036m711b71b4h721d31d0b4836dcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADD5065.70807@bluewin.ch> On 16/10/09 09:36, David Kuntadi wrote: >> [...] >> >> I am working with a Feisty distro (7.04), where libstdc++.so.6.0.9 is indeed >> standard in /usr/lib. >> It is the same libstdc++.so.6.0.9 (947.9 KB) present in Hardy (8.04) >> But it doesn't seem to be the same as the not-found libstdc++.so.6 version >> `GLIBCXX_3.4.9 that vuescan is complaining about? >> > > As Phil said vuescan run on Hardy, just replace whatever library it > complain on Fiesty with the ones from Hardy's package using the above > method. But why don't you upgrade to Hardy instead? > > DK > First, I copied Hardy's package to Feisty and then tried 'vuescan' again. No joy. So, day before yesterday, I followed your suggestion and did install Hardy (albeit in a partition that doesn't give it much breathing space...). Launched 'vuescan' in it and it runs as advertised. So this thread seems to be SOLVED. Yesterday, back in Feisty, I hooked up to SpiderOak to back up some stuff... and just as I was nicely backing up they experienced a server crash.. (But that's for another thread) Thank you all, Nils, Perry, Ric and David, for helping out. It's nice to find knowledgeable friends this way. And it looks like I'll need more good counsel!! john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But why don't you upgrade to Hardy instead? >> >> DK > >First, I copied Hardy's package to Feisty and then tried 'vuescan' >again. No joy. >So, day before yesterday, I followed your suggestion and did install >Hardy (albeit in a partition that doesn't give it much breathing space...). >Launched 'vuescan' in it and it runs as advertised. So this thread seems >to be SOLVED. > >Yesterday, back in Feisty, I hooked up to SpiderOak to back up some >stuff... and just as I was nicely backing up they experienced a server >crash.. >(But that's for another thread) Probably. I am an amanda fan, and installed a terrabyte drive so I could setup virtual tapes for amanda on it. This machine isn't a *buntu, but I do backup those parts of a Hardy install that are precious every night with amanda. When I set it up, I was surprised that the Hardy version of amanda would work against the bleeding edge version I run here as I track development snapshots, building from the tarball, which may change several times a week. Amanda is old enough to vote and still under active development. The 2 versions (client on the Hardy box, full server here) work flawlessly together. >Thank you all, Nils, Perry, Ric and David, for helping out. It's nice to >find knowledgeable friends this way. >And it looks like I'll need more good counsel!! > >john > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Man has never reconciled himself to the ten commandments. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 11:20:41 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:20:41 +0200 Subject: KDE 4 and KPackageKit Message-ID: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> Am I the only one who can not really make heads or tails of KPackagekit? I see none of the supposed advantages over Adept (at least not Adept KDE3 style) so I wonder what they might be or I am too daft to get it. Example: I try to find a network app. In the "dropdown menu" I choose Network. Good. I then type "kde" in the search field to narrow down the results. Forget it, the search field settings and the category dropdown does not seem to have any connection. Now I get all apps with "kde" as output. And I fear the day I will have to explain this application and method for installing to "new linux user" who may want to play a game, find a scan application and just scout around for applications... as I am not even sure myself how to narrow down a search for "kde and games", as an example. The "Help" button is greyed out as is "Defaults", whatever that might stand for in this case. There are no menus that I have found. The version of Adept in the repos is even worse but I hope that is not the reason for choice of KPackagekit. Am I missing something really obvious? regards, Sinclair From david at dmcentral.net Tue Oct 20 11:25:40 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:25:40 -0400 Subject: KDE 4 and KPackageKit In-Reply-To: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> References: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910200725.41061.david@dmcentral.net> On Tuesday 20 October 2009 07:20:41 O. Sinclair wrote: > Am I the only one who can not really make heads or tails of KPackagekit? > I see none of the supposed advantages over Adept (at least not Adept > KDE3 style) so I wonder what they might be or I am too daft to get it. kpackagekit is what made me start using synaptic. IMHO synaptic is even better than adept. From tuxebi at gmx.de Tue Oct 20 11:27:30 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:27:30 +0200 Subject: KDE 4 and KPackageKit In-Reply-To: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> References: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: O. Sinclair wrote: > > And I fear the day I will have to explain this application and method > for installing to "new linux user" who may want to play a game, find a > scan application and just scout around for applications... as I am not > even sure myself how to narrow down a search for "kde and games", as an > example. > [...] > > Am I missing something really obvious? > > regards, Sinclair > Sinclair, imho, you are missing synaptic, indeed. Although this is not strictly KDE ;-), you can easily explain this application to any new linux user, no matter where she wants to go. Kind regards From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 12:03:15 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:03:15 +0200 Subject: KDE 4 and KPackageKit In-Reply-To: References: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADDA703.2010009@gmail.com> Eberhard Roloff wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> And I fear the day I will have to explain this application and method >> for installing to "new linux user" who may want to play a game, find a >> scan application and just scout around for applications... as I am not >> even sure myself how to narrow down a search for "kde and games", as an >> example. >> > [...] >> Am I missing something really obvious? >> >> regards, Sinclair >> > Sinclair, > > imho, you are missing synaptic, indeed. > > Although this is not strictly KDE ;-), you can easily > explain this application to any new linux user, no matter > where she wants to go. > I am aware of Synaptic, it got "pulled in" on my production KDE3 computer by Apt-on-CD. OK it is more "understandable" than KPackagekit or latest Adept but my query is really: Am I missing something about KPackagekit that is obvious to others? Are there usability features I have missed? Are there, well hidden, easy ways to search, find, select and present packages? And where, if anywhere, is something resembling "Add/Remove Programs" from Kubuntu Hardy - dead easy to explain for any newbie or less IT-savvy user. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 14:50:51 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:50:51 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 and tables in MS Office files Message-ID: <4ADDCE4B.8090202@gmail.com> Have just found out that if you create a document with tables in Ooo 3.1.1 and then save it as MS Word 97 "doc" file the tables go missing. The contents of the cells are there but no table(s) I have tried rummaging around Launchpad to see if this is known and about to be fixed as it is a major headacher for my users who have to live with sending files in MS format to large number of contacts. Has anyone heard of this and knows the status? Sinclair From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Oct 20 15:18:44 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:18:44 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 and tables in MS Office files In-Reply-To: <4ADDCE4B.8090202@gmail.com> References: <4ADDCE4B.8090202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910201118.44827.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday 20 October 2009 10:50:51 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Have just found out that if you create a document with tables in Ooo > 3.1.1 and then save it as MS Word 97 "doc" file the tables go missing. > The contents of the cells are there but no table(s) > > I have tried rummaging around Launchpad to see if this is known and > about to be fixed as it is a major headacher for my users who have to > live with sending files in MS format to large number of contacts. > > Has anyone heard of this and knows the status? > > Sinclair > Have you checked out OOo's forum or bug trackers? You may have more luck there if there is nothing on Launchpad, especially as OOo is such a large and distro/OS-spanning project. But here are a couple of quickies: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/369290 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/330366 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=23726&start=0 Nothing helpful, though. I don't have this problem myself, but I only use a small number of text docs with very simple tables in them, and I don't have any problems opening them in Word 200-something at work. clay From barnaby at drofle.com Tue Oct 20 17:16:51 2009 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:16:51 +0100 Subject: Old colour slides Message-ID: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> I have been having a sort out at home and have come across a stack of old family photo slides. When I say old, some of them from more than forty years ago. I had forgotten about them. Back in those days the common way to take family photos was by using slide film. So my question, what is the best way to transfer such pictures to my computer? I do not have a scanner, but anyway, I do not think that a scanner copes very well with slides. Perhaps there are specialised types. There are also some colour prints, incidentally, but not many. I am running Kubuntu Hardy, if that is relevant. Thanks for any suggestions, ideas Neil From reb68 at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 20 17:48:02 2009 From: reb68 at bellsouth.net (Richard Barmann) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:48:02 -0400 Subject: Old colour slides In-Reply-To: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> References: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> Message-ID: <4ADDF7D2.2080404@bellsouth.net> Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been having a sort out at home and have come across a stack of > old family photo slides. When I say old, some of them from more than > forty years ago. > > I had forgotten about them. Back in those days the common way to take > family photos was by using slide film. > > So my question, what is the best way to transfer such pictures to my > computer? I do not have a scanner, but anyway, I do not think that a > scanner copes very well with slides. Perhaps there are specialised types. > > There are also some colour prints, incidentally, but not many. > > I am running Kubuntu Hardy, if that is relevant. > > Thanks for any suggestions, ideas > > Neil > > This may not help you but I also had old 35mm slides. I gave them to my daughter-in-law, who worked at Wolf Camera, and she transfered them to a cd for me. I do not know what they would charge as she did it for free. Dick Barmann -- PK From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 17:47:51 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:47:51 -0400 Subject: Old colour slides In-Reply-To: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> References: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> Message-ID: <1256060871.31852.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 18:16 +0100, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been having a sort out at home and have come across a stack of > old family photo slides. When I say old, some of them from more than > forty years ago. > > I had forgotten about them. Back in those days the common way to take > family photos was by using slide film. > > So my question, what is the best way to transfer such pictures to my > computer? I do not have a scanner, but anyway, I do not think that a > scanner copes very well with slides. Perhaps there are specialised types. > > There are also some colour prints, incidentally, but not many. > > I am running Kubuntu Hardy, if that is relevant. > > Thanks for any suggestions, ideas You might check with WalMart or one of the drug chains to see if they have access to a photo-refinishing lab and then put them to CD or onto the web for you to retrieve. In the long run, that might prove most cost effective. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 17:48:48 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:48:48 -0400 Subject: KDE 4 and KPackageKit In-Reply-To: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> References: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1256060928.31852.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 13:20 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: > Am I the only one who can not really make heads or tails of KPackagekit? > I see none of the supposed advantages over Adept (at least not Adept > KDE3 style) so I wonder what they might be or I am too daft to get it. > > Example: I try to find a network app. In the "dropdown menu" I choose > Network. Good. > I then type "kde" in the search field to narrow down the results. > > Forget it, the search field settings and the category dropdown does not > seem to have any connection. Now I get all apps with "kde" as output. > > And I fear the day I will have to explain this application and method > for installing to "new linux user" who may want to play a game, find a > scan application and just scout around for applications... as I am not > even sure myself how to narrow down a search for "kde and games", as an > example. > > The "Help" button is greyed out as is "Defaults", whatever that might > stand for in this case. There are no menus that I have found. > > The version of Adept in the repos is even worse but I hope that is not > the reason for choice of KPackagekit. > > Am I missing something really obvious? > > regards, Sinclair Maybe, Synaptic just works. :) Ric From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 20 18:33:52 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:33:52 +0100 Subject: KDE 4 and KPackageKit In-Reply-To: <4ADDA703.2010009@gmail.com> References: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> <4ADDA703.2010009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910201933.52350.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 13:03:15 O. Sinclair wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> And I fear the day I will have to explain this application and method > >> for installing to "new linux user" who may want to play a game, find a > >> scan application and just scout around for applications... as I am not > >> even sure myself how to narrow down a search for "kde and games", as an > >> example. > >> > > [...] > >> Am I missing something really obvious? > >> > >> regards, Sinclair > >> > > Sinclair, > > > > imho, you are missing synaptic, indeed. > > > > Although this is not strictly KDE ;-), you can easily > > explain this application to any new linux user, no matter > > where she wants to go. > > > > I am aware of Synaptic, it got "pulled in" on my production KDE3 > computer by Apt-on-CD. OK it is more "understandable" than KPackagekit > or latest Adept but my query is really: > Am I missing something about KPackagekit that is obvious to others? Are > there usability features I have missed? Are there, well hidden, easy > ways to search, find, select and present packages? > > And where, if anywhere, is something resembling "Add/Remove Programs" > from Kubuntu Hardy - dead easy to explain for any newbie or less > IT-savvy user. I read somewhere that "Add/Remove Programs" got pulled from the release in favour of the more 'KDE-integrated' KPackageKit. I have to agree with you, KPackageKit is dreadful, one of the worst user interfaces I've ever encountered. These days 'sudo apt-get' is what I use all the time. However KPackageKit is still in early development which means one can but hope for improvement in the future. Does beg the question 'why on earth was it installed in the first place?' though. Mark > > > From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 20 18:36:23 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:36:23 +0100 Subject: Old colour slides In-Reply-To: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> References: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200910201936.23408.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 18:16:51 Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been having a sort out at home and have come across a stack of > old family photo slides. When I say old, some of them from more than > forty years ago. > > I had forgotten about them. Back in those days the common way to take > family photos was by using slide film. > > So my question, what is the best way to transfer such pictures to my > computer? I do not have a scanner, but anyway, I do not think that a > scanner copes very well with slides. Perhaps there are specialised types. > > There are also some colour prints, incidentally, but not many. > > I am running Kubuntu Hardy, if that is relevant. > > Thanks for any suggestions, ideas > > Neil > > A normal flatbed scanner can't scan slides because slides need transmitted light, not reflected light. You can buy specialist slide scanners, but the quality is variable and a good one won't come cheap, even if you can find one with Linux support. I think the suggestion to pay someone to scan them for you is probably the best bet. Mark From kaj at haulrich.net Tue Oct 20 18:42:01 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:42:01 +0200 Subject: Old colour slides In-Reply-To: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> References: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200910202042.01514.kaj@haulrich.net> On Tuesday 20 October 2009 19:16:51 Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been having a sort out at home and have come across a > stack of old family photo slides. When I say old, some of them > from more than forty years ago. > > I had forgotten about them. Back in those days the common way to > take family photos was by using slide film. > > So my question, what is the best way to transfer such pictures to > my computer? I do not have a scanner, but anyway, I do not think > that a scanner copes very well with slides. Perhaps there are > specialised types. > > There are also some colour prints, incidentally, but not many. I have scanned hundreds of old color slides with an Epson Perfection 2400 Photo scanner - using Vuescan and Xsane. The scanner comes with a 'place-holder' for slides 5cm x 5cm. Some of those old slides have fainted quite some, others not. I scan them with the focus set to 0.5 mm above the glass plate, being careful to adjust the software for film make, such as Kodak, Agfa, Fuji and even an long-forgotten Ferraniacolor. Scanning solution about 600 dpi. When scanned, there are scores of software to enhance fainted, blurry and grainy photos. I prefer Picasa for Linux, but Digikam is well suited too. The final results are actually better than the originals because I can crop, correct contrast and exposure, un-skew and so on and so forth. Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --------- Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 --------- From gkourtev at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 20:35:50 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:35:50 +0300 Subject: Network connection Message-ID: <200910202335.50745.gkourtev@gmail.com> Dear all, What is best to use for connecting to various networks? In my package list I've got: -knetworkmanager -kdenetwork -network-manager -network-manager-kde -plasma-widget-network-manager -plasm-widget-networkmanagement I am a bit confused. Can someone explain? Thanks. Running 9.04, KDE 4.3.2 gk From kassube at gmx.net Tue Oct 20 21:13:09 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:13:09 +0200 Subject: Network connection In-Reply-To: <200910202335.50745.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200910202335.50745.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910202313.09357.kassube@gmx.net> Georgi Kourtev wrote: > What is best to use for connecting to various networks? Wicd - at least that's what I prefer but see below (and as always, YMMV). > In my package > list I've got: > -knetworkmanager That's a dummy package to move to network-manager-kde for distribution upgrades, i.e. not interesting for you. > -kdenetwork Some networking applications - not interesting for your question. > -network-manager The basic background application doing the real work of connecting to the networks. > -network-manager-kde One GUI frontend for network-manager. > -plasma-widget-network-manager Another GUI frontend for network-manager. > -plasm-widget-networkmanagement No idea - and I can't even see it in my package list. Now, what should you install? You can choose network-manager-kde or plasma-widget-network-manager and both will also include network- manager. I can't tell you which is better but if you can't make them work, you could try wicd, which is another application for network management with some different features. The main reason why I prefer wicd is because it will connect to the network before I log-in. Nils From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 21:17:44 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:17:44 +0300 Subject: KDE 4 and KPackageKit In-Reply-To: <200910201933.52350.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> <4ADDA703.2010009@gmail.com> <200910201933.52350.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4ADE28F8.5070803@gmail.com> Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 13:03:15 O. Sinclair wrote: >> Eberhard Roloff wrote: >>> O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> And I fear the day I will have to explain this application and method >>>> for installing to "new linux user" who may want to play a game, find a >>>> scan application and just scout around for applications... as I am not >>>> even sure myself how to narrow down a search for "kde and games", as an >>>> example. >>>> >>> [...] >>>> Am I missing something really obvious? >>>> >>>> regards, Sinclair >>>> >>> Sinclair, >>> >>> imho, you are missing synaptic, indeed. >>> >>> Although this is not strictly KDE ;-), you can easily >>> explain this application to any new linux user, no matter >>> where she wants to go. >>> >> I am aware of Synaptic, it got "pulled in" on my production KDE3 >> computer by Apt-on-CD. OK it is more "understandable" than KPackagekit >> or latest Adept but my query is really: >> Am I missing something about KPackagekit that is obvious to others? Are >> there usability features I have missed? Are there, well hidden, easy >> ways to search, find, select and present packages? >> >> And where, if anywhere, is something resembling "Add/Remove Programs" >> from Kubuntu Hardy - dead easy to explain for any newbie or less >> IT-savvy user. > > I read somewhere that "Add/Remove Programs" got pulled from the release in favour of the more 'KDE-integrated' KPackageKit. > > I have to agree with you, KPackageKit is dreadful, one of the worst user interfaces I've ever encountered. These days 'sudo apt-get' is what I use all the time. However KPackageKit is still in early development which means one can but hope for improvement in the future. Does beg the question 'why on earth was it installed in the first place?' though. > > Mark > KpackageKit, i agree is dreadful. no use at all except for maybe updating the current set of packages, which still, is kinda cumbersome. apt-get/aptitude, with apt-cache are my best friends for all package management. Synaptics is perfect, but don't really have any use for it unless i was to search using categories. sometimes i get bored, i let it display the list of *games* so i can dig between them for something fun... -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 07:06:22 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:06:22 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 and tables in MS Office files In-Reply-To: <200910201118.44827.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4ADDCE4B.8090202@gmail.com> <200910201118.44827.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4ADEB2EE.2080209@gmail.com> Clay Weber wrote: > On Tuesday 20 October 2009 10:50:51 am O. Sinclair wrote: >> Have just found out that if you create a document with tables in Ooo >> 3.1.1 and then save it as MS Word 97 "doc" file the tables go missing. >> The contents of the cells are there but no table(s) >> >> I have tried rummaging around Launchpad to see if this is known and >> about to be fixed as it is a major headacher for my users who have to >> live with sending files in MS format to large number of contacts. >> >> Has anyone heard of this and knows the status? >> >> Sinclair >> > Have you checked out OOo's forum or bug trackers? You may have more > luck there if there is nothing on Launchpad, especially as OOo is such a large > and distro/OS-spanning project. > > > But here are a couple of quickies: > https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/369290 > https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/330366 > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=23726&start=0 > > Nothing helpful, though. I don't have this problem myself, but I only use a > small number of text docs with very simple tables in them, and I don't have > any problems opening them in Word 200-something at work. > Thanks, I have managed to find that the bug is known and should be fixed with the RC release tomorrow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/452518 apparently a bug in openoffice.org-kde package to do with the kde filepicker From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 07:25:19 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:25:19 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 and tables in MS Office files In-Reply-To: <4ADEB2EE.2080209@gmail.com> References: <4ADDCE4B.8090202@gmail.com> <200910201118.44827.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4ADEB2EE.2080209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADEB75F.8080808@gmail.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > Clay Weber wrote: >> On Tuesday 20 October 2009 10:50:51 am O. Sinclair wrote: >>> Have just found out that if you create a document with tables in Ooo >>> 3.1.1 and then save it as MS Word 97 "doc" file the tables go missing. >>> The contents of the cells are there but no table(s) >>> >>> I have tried rummaging around Launchpad to see if this is known and >>> about to be fixed as it is a major headacher for my users who have to >>> live with sending files in MS format to large number of contacts. >>> >>> Has anyone heard of this and knows the status? >>> >>> Sinclair >>> >> Have you checked out OOo's forum or bug trackers? You may have more >> luck there if there is nothing on Launchpad, especially as OOo is such a large >> and distro/OS-spanning project. >> >> >> But here are a couple of quickies: >> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/369290 >> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/330366 >> >> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=23726&start=0 >> >> Nothing helpful, though. I don't have this problem myself, but I only use a >> small number of text docs with very simple tables in them, and I don't have >> any problems opening them in Word 200-something at work. >> > > Thanks, I have managed to find that the bug is known and should be fixed > with the RC release tomorrow: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/452518 > > apparently a bug in openoffice.org-kde package to do with the kde filepicker > Found a temp solution: change the preferences to use OpenOffice Dialogs (General settings) and the problem goes away. Will live with ugly dialogues until bug is corrected. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 07:26:40 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:26:40 +0200 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 and tables in MS Office files SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4ADEB75F.8080808@gmail.com> References: <4ADDCE4B.8090202@gmail.com> <200910201118.44827.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4ADEB2EE.2080209@gmail.com> <4ADEB75F.8080808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADEB7B0.6030100@gmail.com> O. Sinclair wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> Clay Weber wrote: >>> On Tuesday 20 October 2009 10:50:51 am O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> Have just found out that if you create a document with tables in Ooo >>>> 3.1.1 and then save it as MS Word 97 "doc" file the tables go missing. >>>> The contents of the cells are there but no table(s) >>>> >>>> I have tried rummaging around Launchpad to see if this is known and >>>> about to be fixed as it is a major headacher for my users who have to >>>> live with sending files in MS format to large number of contacts. >>>> >>>> Has anyone heard of this and knows the status? >>>> >>>> Sinclair >>>> >>> Have you checked out OOo's forum or bug trackers? You may have more >>> luck there if there is nothing on Launchpad, especially as OOo is >>> such a large and distro/OS-spanning project. >>> >>> >>> But here are a couple of quickies: >>> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/369290 >>> >>> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/330366 >>> >>> >>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=23726&start=0 >>> >>> >>> Nothing helpful, though. I don't have this problem myself, but I only >>> use a small number of text docs with very simple tables in them, and >>> I don't have any problems opening them in Word 200-something at work. >>> >> >> Thanks, I have managed to find that the bug is known and should be >> fixed with the RC release tomorrow: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/452518 >> >> apparently a bug in openoffice.org-kde package to do with the kde >> filepicker >> > Found a temp solution: change the preferences to use OpenOffice Dialogs > (General settings) and the problem goes away. Will live with ugly > dialogues until bug is corrected. > Sorry that should be "Options" and not Preferences From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Tue Oct 20 21:26:20 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:26:20 -0400 Subject: KDE 4 and KPackageKit In-Reply-To: <4ADDA703.2010009@gmail.com> References: <4ADD9D09.9020506@gmail.com> <4ADDA703.2010009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910201726.20862.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Tuesday 20 October 2009 08:03:15 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Eberhard Roloff wrote: > > O. Sinclair wrote: > >> And I fear the day I will have to explain this application and method > >> for installing to "new linux user" who may want to play a game, find a > >> scan application and just scout around for applications... as I am not > >> even sure myself how to narrow down a search for "kde and games", as an > >> example. > > > > [...] > > > >> Am I missing something really obvious? > >> > >> regards, Sinclair > > > > Sinclair, > > > > imho, you are missing synaptic, indeed. > > > > Although this is not strictly KDE ;-), you can easily > > explain this application to any new linux user, no matter > > where she wants to go. > > I am aware of Synaptic, it got "pulled in" on my production KDE3 > computer by Apt-on-CD. OK it is more "understandable" than KPackagekit > or latest Adept but my query is really: > Am I missing something about KPackagekit that is obvious to others? Are > there usability features I have missed? Are there, well hidden, easy > ways to search, find, select and present packages? > > And where, if anywhere, is something resembling "Add/Remove Programs" > from Kubuntu Hardy - dead easy to explain for any newbie or less > IT-savvy user. > Right now there is no KDE package manager worth using. Even on regular system updates it still holds back certain packages. Like everyone else is saying, teach a new user synaptic to pick and choose software. Maybe explain that something else keeps the system up to date. Until it gets better (one can hope) than it is now, we are stuck with using an ugly gnome app. At least it works well. -- Alan "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln From barnaby at drofle.com Wed Oct 21 07:46:04 2009 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:46:04 +0100 Subject: Old colour slides In-Reply-To: <200910202042.01514.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> <200910202042.01514.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4ADEBC3C.1050400@drofle.com> Kaj Haulrich wrote: > I have scanned hundreds of old color slides with an Epson Perfection > 2400 Photo scanner - using Vuescan and Xsane. The scanner comes with > a 'place-holder' for slides 5cm x 5cm. Some of those old slides have > fainted quite some, others not. I scan them with the focus set to > 0.5 mm above the glass plate, being careful to adjust the software > for film make, such as Kodak, Agfa, Fuji and even an long-forgotten > Ferraniacolor. Scanning solution about 600 dpi. > > When scanned, there are scores of software to enhance fainted, > blurry and grainy photos. I prefer Picasa for Linux, but Digikam is > well suited too. The final results are actually better than the > originals because I can crop, correct contrast and exposure, un-skew > and so on and so forth. > > Kaj Haulrich. Thanks for all that. I will look out for a scanner which will a) have a place holder for slides and b) will work with Linux. Starting with the one you mentioned. By the way, I have used Ferraniacolor and did the processing myself. Things were very different in those pioneer days. Neil From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Oct 21 12:24:57 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:24:57 +0200 Subject: Network connection In-Reply-To: <200910202335.50745.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200910202335.50745.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Dear all, > > What is best to use for connecting to various networks? In my package list a good solid ethernet cable. ;-)) scnr Eberhard From derek at pointerstop.ca Wed Oct 21 13:07:52 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:07:52 -0300 Subject: Network connection References: <200910202335.50745.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8md3r6-6p7.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Dear all, > > What is best to use for connecting to various networks? In my package list > I've got: > -knetworkmanager > -kdenetwork > -network-manager > -network-manager-kde > -plasma-widget-network-manager > -plasm-widget-networkmanagement > > I am a bit confused. Can someone explain? Thanks. They're almost all variants of the same thing. network-manager is the backend for all of it. The "plasma" packages are different names for the same widget (the first is just a dummy depending on the second) for configuring NetworkManager (it supposedly can use other backends, but they don't exist yet). knetworkmanager and network-manager-kde are different names for the KDE tool that manages network-manager. [knetworkmanager no longer exists in Karmic, at least] kdenetwork is different - it's a meta-package intended to pull in all the kde network tools (that is, tools that _use_ the network, not for configuring it [except that it also includes kppp]). -- derek From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu Wed Oct 21 15:16:50 2009 From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:16:50 -0400 Subject: Old colour slides In-Reply-To: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> References: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> Message-ID: <4ADF25E2.90402@math.dartmouth.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Neil Winchurst wrote: > I have been having a sort out at home and have come across a stack of > old family photo slides. When I say old, some of them from more than > forty years ago. > > I had forgotten about them. Back in those days the common way to take > family photos was by using slide film. > > So my question, what is the best way to transfer such pictures to my > computer? I do not have a scanner, but anyway, I do not think that a > scanner copes very well with slides. Perhaps there are specialised types. > ... The best way would be to scan them using a *film* scanner (either by yourself or using a scanning service). I tried Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED. Hardware is decent, though scanning is still very slow, especially if options like scratch "removal" etc. are enabled. I found the speed impractical for the amount of film I had to scan. The software is Mac/Win only and isn't convenient to say the least. I didn't find any way to use the scanner with Linux and free/open source software. Finally I resorted to sending the negatives and slides in batches to two scanning services. You can test a scanning service by first sending/giving them a smaller batch of slides... - -- Sarunas Burdulis Systems Administrator Department of Mathematics, Dartmouth College http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkrfJeIACgkQejaFVltl6E8usACfeah2epHjrcNd0Joo3WHPBbCZ VpoAnjGdWksJilXnCu0C+Jp9lBoJFpZt =qIbH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Oct 21 15:39:26 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:39:26 -0400 Subject: Old colour slides In-Reply-To: <4ADEBC3C.1050400@drofle.com> References: <4ADDF083.1010105@drofle.com> <200910202042.01514.kaj@haulrich.net> <4ADEBC3C.1050400@drofle.com> Message-ID: <200910211139.26229.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Wednesday 21 October 2009, Neil Winchurst wrote: > Thanks for all that. I will look out for a scanner which will a) have a > place holder for slides and b) will work with Linux. Starting with the > one you mentioned. > > By the way, I have used Ferraniacolor and did the processing myself. > Things were very different in those pioneer days. > I don't know what HP sells these days but I have an HP S20 Smartphoto scanner that will accept 35mm slides (in frames), 35mm film strips, and prints up to 5x7. The 35mm can be negatives or not. I've had it at least 8 years and it still works well. You might check on eBay for one. From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 01:48:21 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:48:21 -0600 Subject: man pages for pthread functions? Message-ID: <4ADFB9E5.8060809@gmail.com> In what package [for jaunty] is the documentation for functions such as pthread_create()? The man page for pthreads references the usual pthread functions, but the documentation for the individual functions doesn't seem to be on my system, and I haven't been able to discover which package contains the documentation. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kassube at gmx.net Thu Oct 22 06:40:18 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:40:18 +0200 Subject: man pages for pthread functions? In-Reply-To: <4ADFB9E5.8060809@gmail.com> References: <4ADFB9E5.8060809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910220840.18582.kassube@gmx.net> D. R. Evans wrote: > In what package [for jaunty] is the documentation for functions such > as pthread_create()? ~/ > apt-file search pthread_create gnulib: /usr/share/gnulib/doc/posix-functions/pthread_create.texi manpages-fr-extra: /usr/share/man/fr/man3/pthread_create.3.gz manpages-ja-dev: /usr/share/man/ja/man3/pthread_create.3.gz manpages-posix-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/pthread_create.3posix.gz Seems like you want to install manpages-posix-dev. Nils From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 15:21:46 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:21:46 -0600 Subject: man pages for pthread functions? In-Reply-To: <200910220840.18582.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4ADFB9E5.8060809@gmail.com> <200910220840.18582.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4AE0788A.1050608@gmail.com> Nils Kassube said the following at 10/22/2009 12:40 AM : > D. R. Evans wrote: >> In what package [for jaunty] is the documentation for functions such >> as pthread_create()? > > ~/ > apt-file search pthread_create > gnulib: /usr/share/gnulib/doc/posix-functions/pthread_create.texi > manpages-fr-extra: /usr/share/man/fr/man3/pthread_create.3.gz > manpages-ja-dev: /usr/share/man/ja/man3/pthread_create.3.gz > manpages-posix-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/pthread_create.3posix.gz > > Seems like you want to install manpages-posix-dev. Thank you. The tool at http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=pthread_create came up with no hits at all. I don't know why not... I had always assumed (obviously incorrectly) that that was a web-based interface to the same function. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Evans wrote: >>> In what package [for jaunty] is the documentation for functions such >>> as pthread_create()? >> ~/ > apt-file search pthread_create >> gnulib: /usr/share/gnulib/doc/posix-functions/pthread_create.texi >> manpages-fr-extra: /usr/share/man/fr/man3/pthread_create.3.gz >> manpages-ja-dev: /usr/share/man/ja/man3/pthread_create.3.gz >> manpages-posix-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/pthread_create.3posix.gz >> >> Seems like you want to install manpages-posix-dev. > > Thank you. The tool at > http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=pthread_create > came up with no hits at all. I don't know why not... I had always assumed > (obviously incorrectly) that that was a web-based interface to the same > function. > > Doc > > this really is weird, i thought the same. must be a bug with the website, check this link: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pthread_create.3posix.gz&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I used KPackageKit and got an error at the end, about libstdc++.so.5, so installed that, and now have 59: TERM parameter not set invoke-rc.d: initscript forebird2.1-classic, action "start" failed. Any help would be welcome. Regards Steve From matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu Fri Oct 23 01:18:41 2009 From: matthew.flaschen at gatech.edu (Matthew Flaschen) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:18:41 -0400 Subject: man pages for pthread functions? In-Reply-To: <4AE0788A.1050608@gmail.com> References: <4ADFB9E5.8060809@gmail.com> <200910220840.18582.kassube@gmx.net> <4AE0788A.1050608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE10471.1050604@gatech.edu> D. R. Evans wrote: > Thank you. The tool at > http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=pthread_create > came up with no hits at all. I don't know why not... I had always assumed > (obviously incorrectly) that that was a web-based interface to the same > function. That URL gives "paths that end with pthread_create". If you go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=pthread_create , it will search anywhere in the filename. Admittedly, that's not really clear from the URLs. Apparently, the default mode means paths that end with the keyword. However, if you go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and click the "packages that contain files whose names contain the keyword " radio button, you'll get the full search. Matthew Flaschen From doc.evans at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 02:53:19 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:53:19 -0600 Subject: man pages for pthread functions? In-Reply-To: <4AE10471.1050604@gatech.edu> References: <4ADFB9E5.8060809@gmail.com> <200910220840.18582.kassube@gmx.net> <4AE0788A.1050608@gmail.com> <4AE10471.1050604@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <4AE11A9F.8050107@gmail.com> Matthew Flaschen said the following at 10/22/2009 07:18 PM : > D. R. Evans wrote: >> Thank you. The tool at >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=pthread_create >> came up with no hits at all. I don't know why not... I had always assumed >> (obviously incorrectly) that that was a web-based interface to the same >> function. > > That URL gives "paths that end with pthread_create". If you go to > http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=pthread_create > , it will search anywhere in the filename. > > Admittedly, that's not really clear from the URLs. Apparently, the Also, there doesn't seem to be any way to get to that URL from the Ubuntu search bar in the Ubuntu firefox package. The only options there are: "package names", "descriptions", "source package names" and "package contents". It seems reasonable, given those options, for a user to expect a search for "pthread_create" in either "descriptions" or "package contents" to provide the result he is trying to find. 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It could be "smtps://jonas:password at someserver.com:465" if you need to specify user/password and a portnumber or just smtp://someserver.com if no user is needed. It should be documented in the papers from your ISP. SMTPS is SMTP over SSL check your /etc/services file. $ grep smtp /etc/services smtp 25/tcp mail ssmtp 465/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL / Jonas From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 14:20:07 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:20:07 +0300 Subject: Issue with hotkeys Message-ID: <200910231720.07480.gkourtev@gmail.com> Dear friends, I've got 9.04/KDE 4.2.2 installed to a new machine that uses 2 keyboard layouts: US and Bulgarian. The switch between was set for user's convenience to the left or the right Ctrl key. After setting that though the other functionalities of the Ctrl key disappeared - like Ctrl+A for 'select all', or Ctrl+C for 'copy', Ctrl+V for 'paste', etc. How can I solve this? Thanks. gk From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Oct 23 15:32:06 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:32:06 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 9.04 Krename audio tag support Message-ID: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> I recently wanted to rename a mp3 file with KRneame so that the filename matched the id3 tags - something that I used to do quite a bit with 8.04 - but there doesn't seem to be any way of doing it in 9.04. Unless of course I'm missing something. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From pwhite at bluewin.ch Fri Oct 23 15:49:33 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:49:33 +0200 Subject: Issue with hotkeys In-Reply-To: <200910231720.07480.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200910231720.07480.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910231749.33896.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Friday 23 October 2009 16:20:07 Georgi Kourtev, vous avez écrit : > Dear friends, > > I've got 9.04/KDE 4.2.2 installed to a new machine that uses 2 keyboard > layouts: US and Bulgarian. The switch between was set for user's > convenience to the left or the right Ctrl key. My guess is that as soon as you press the Ctrl key the system changes the keyboard, without waiting for A, C or V. > > After setting that though the other functionalities of the Ctrl key > disappeared - like Ctrl+A for 'select all', or Ctrl+C for 'copy', Ctrl+V > for 'paste', etc. > > How can I solve this? Thanks. Try to find another convenient set of combinations for Ctrl, Alt, Shift and a letter that is unused or for which you won't miss the previous action. > gk HTH Perry -- BOFH excuse #344: Network failure - call NBC From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Fri Oct 23 17:44:12 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:44:12 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 9.04 Krename audio tag support In-Reply-To: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AE1EB6C.3050804@prayingforisrael.net> Mark Fraser wrote: > I recently wanted to rename a mp3 file with KRneame so that the filename > matched the id3 tags - something that I used to do quite a bit with 8.04 - but > there doesn't seem to be any way of doing it in 9.04. Unless of course I'm > missing something. > I don't know much about mp3 tags but when forced to use something I use EasyTag. It's really easy to use, actively maintained and works well. Nigel From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Fri Oct 23 21:07:37 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:07:37 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 9.04 Krename audio tag support In-Reply-To: <4AE1EB6C.3050804@prayingforisrael.net> References: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <4AE1EB6C.3050804@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <200910232207.38087.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 23 Oct 2009 18:44:12 Nigel Ridley wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > I recently wanted to rename a mp3 file with KRneame so that the filename > > matched the id3 tags - something that I used to do quite a bit with 8.04 > > - but there doesn't seem to be any way of doing it in 9.04. Unless of > > course I'm missing something. > > I don't know much about mp3 tags but when forced to use something I use > EasyTag. It's really easy to use, actively maintained and works well. It doesn't seem to be just mp3/oggs, but also image files. For example I used to be able to rename a jpeg in KRename based upon exif data in that file, but now I can't. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From jonorland at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 21:24:33 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:24:33 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 9.04 Krename audio tag support In-Reply-To: <200910232207.38087.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <4AE1EB6C.3050804@prayingforisrael.net> <200910232207.38087.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/10/23 Mark Fraser : > On Friday 23 Oct 2009 18:44:12 Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Mark Fraser wrote: >> > I recently wanted to rename a mp3 file with KRneame so that the filename >> > matched the id3 tags - something that I used to do quite a bit with 8.04 >> > - but there doesn't seem to be any way of doing it in 9.04. Unless of >> > course I'm missing something. >> >> I don't know much about mp3 tags but when forced to use something I use >>  EasyTag. It's really easy to use, actively maintained and works well. > > It doesn't seem to be just mp3/oggs, but also image files. For example I used > to be able to rename a jpeg in KRename based upon exif data in that file, but > now I can't. What version are you using? I have 4.0.1 and in the plugin tab i have options to use both mp3/ogg and exif tags. I running Kubuntu Karmic beta. / Jonas From dave at thefletchers.net Fri Oct 23 21:28:14 2009 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:28:14 +0100 Subject: Windows 7 Message-ID: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> Anybody else seen the TV advert demonstrating the wonderful "new" snap-together feature? Now let me think.... um.... where did I see that before.... can't remember.... it was a little while ago... -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From fabiolocati at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 21:33:37 2009 From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:33:37 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <3d9482340910231433n5f4a6dabq54dbbec981dc1119@mail.gmail.com> Is there a version on youtube? I'm not american, but I'm curiouse to see what they did.. -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabiolocati at gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:28 PM, David Fletcher wrote: > Anybody else seen the TV advert demonstrating the wonderful "new" > snap-together feature? > > Now let me think.... um.... where did I see that before.... can't remember.... > it was a little while ago... > > > -- > > Registered Linux user number 393408 > > I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 > For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: > http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From dave at thefletchers.net Fri Oct 23 23:01:23 2009 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:01:23 +0100 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <3d9482340910231433n5f4a6dabq54dbbec981dc1119@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <3d9482340910231433n5f4a6dabq54dbbec981dc1119@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> On Friday 23 Oct 2009, Fabio Locati wrote: > Is there a version on youtube? I'm not american, but I'm curiouse to > see what they did.. Neither am I - I'm in the UK. Try here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmiPzMY4nuE Looks pretty much like the feature that's been in KDE for ages. From catweasel at optushome.com.au Sat Oct 24 01:53:18 2009 From: catweasel at optushome.com.au (catweasel) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +1100 Subject: no member names private using make Message-ID: <4AE25E0E.4070209@optushome.com.au> Hi Folks, I am trying to make the drivers for a wii remote and when I run make I get the error below, I have had this issue for other drivers and I do not know what the member private requires can anyone help please make -C /lib/modules/2.6.28-14-generic/build M=`pwd` modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.28-14-generic' CC [M] /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.o /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.c: In function ‘wiidriver_open’: /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.c:120: error: ‘struct input_dev’ has no member named ‘private’ /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.c: In function ‘wiidriver_release’: /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.c:135: error: ‘struct input_dev’ has no member named ‘private’ /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.c: In function ‘wiidriver_read’: /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.c:154: error: ‘struct input_dev’ has no member named ‘private’ /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.c: In function ‘wiidriver_write’: /home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.c:178: error: ‘struct input_dev’ has no member named ‘private’ make[2]: *** [/home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source/wm.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/home/ben/Download/wii/wii_source] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.28-14-generic' make: *** [all] Error 2 Thanks Ben From rick0009 at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 02:29:50 2009 From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:29:50 -0400 Subject: Knetworkmanager / fixed ? Message-ID: <4AE2669E.9000303@gmail.com> Wonder if they have fix the issues, with KNetworkmanager that was a problem in 9.04 since now, they will be coming out with 9.10 ? I would rather use Knetworkmanager, TKS! Rick From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 02:36:39 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:36:39 +1000 Subject: Knetworkmanager / fixed ? In-Reply-To: <4AE2669E.9000303@gmail.com> References: <4AE2669E.9000303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910241236.39741.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:29:50 pm Rick wrote: > Wonder if they have fix the issues, with KNetworkmanager that was a > problem in 9.04 > since now, they will be coming out with 9.10 ? The wireless on my Netbook has been working very well. Cannot get VPN connections to work - create them fine, but they are non-clickable in the network menu. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 08:28:14 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:28:14 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? Message-ID: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being attended to even if they are serious. And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. Sinclair From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sat Oct 24 10:59:02 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:59:02 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 9.04 Krename audio tag support In-Reply-To: References: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200910232207.38087.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200910241159.02875.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 23 Oct 2009 22:24:33 Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2009/10/23 Mark Fraser : > > On Friday 23 Oct 2009 18:44:12 Nigel Ridley wrote: > >> Mark Fraser wrote: > >> > I recently wanted to rename a mp3 file with KRneame so that the > >> > filename matched the id3 tags - something that I used to do quite a > >> > bit with 8.04 - but there doesn't seem to be any way of doing it in > >> > 9.04. Unless of course I'm missing something. > >> > >> I don't know much about mp3 tags but when forced to use something I use > >> EasyTag. It's really easy to use, actively maintained and works well. > > > > It doesn't seem to be just mp3/oggs, but also image files. For example I > > used to be able to rename a jpeg in KRename based upon exif data in that > > file, but now I can't. > > What version are you using? I have 4.0.1 and in the plugin tab i have > options to use both mp3/ogg and exif tags. > I running Kubuntu Karmic beta. I'm using 3.0.14 on Jaunty and the only functions I have available are Built-in functions K3b Picture Special characters System functions -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From eight32 at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 12:03:00 2009 From: eight32 at gmail.com (Stuart Murray-Smith) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:03:00 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> Message-ID: > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > attended to even if they are serious. > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. I've looked into this to some degree. It's not so much Kubuntu as it is the KDE upstream. Consider opinionated FUD factor though, && only time will tell :) From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 12:04:16 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:04:16 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910240504uf9873a6q7367cc784784ba54@mail.gmail.com> > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > attended to even if they are serious. > The author is complaining about KDE bugs, not Kubuntu bugs. While I agree that Canonical could do more to work around KDE issues, that does not mean the decline of KDE. Rather, it means that Kubuntu is as it always has been. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From david at dmcentral.net Sat Oct 24 12:34:23 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:34:23 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910240834.24166.david@dmcentral.net> On Saturday 24 October 2009 04:28:14 O. Sinclair wrote: > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > attended to even if they are serious. > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. I have experienced many of the things the author described. After about 12 years, I finally gave Gnome a serious try and for the past 2 months I feel like I've finally been able to get my computer to work for ME instead of Googling for fixes that should have been fixed long long ago. I couldn't get Knetworkmanager to work for me, it wouldn't even list other wireless networks around and I had to resort to using ifup/down. On the other hand Gnome's Network Manager works and finds 4 other networks in my area and to top if off, Gnomes Network Manager finds all the free wifi hotspots such as McDonalds and the Public Library, where-areas I couldn't do that with KDE's Network Manager for some reason. :-( But, on the other hand, I do not like any of Gnome's E-Mail applications so I installed Kmail. I also installed kasablanca for quick ftp. P.S. I am not trolling. I am merely sharing my experiences from the last 2 months. From ck.thrissur at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 12:37:25 2009 From: ck.thrissur at gmail.com (ck raju) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:07:25 +0530 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910240504uf9873a6q7367cc784784ba54@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <880dece00910240504uf9873a6q7367cc784784ba54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > The author is complaining about KDE bugs, not Kubuntu bugs. While I > agree that Canonical could do more to work around KDE issues, that > More correct statement. Regarding the views on LTS, I have a small doubt. Does Canonical have any idea as to how many of its users carry on with an LTS ? Most cases I have come across, keep moving with (experimental) beta versions !! CK Raju -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 13:30:54 2009 From: mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com (Martin Laberge) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:30:54 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> On Saturday 24 October 2009 04:28:14 O. Sinclair wrote: > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > attended to even if they are serious. > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. > > Sinclair > It is not Kubuntu who have problems, this is Kde4 who have problems. Keep using Hardy-Kde-3.5.10 and keep having a perfectly working system. Even today, 3 *buntu releases later, the hardy release of kubuntu, stands the better system of all times. (for me) So i stayed with a perfect system, my kubuntu-8.04 and I dont miss any of the whistles of the others versions. -- Martin Laberge mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com *** 30 Years of Unix Admin, and now living *** From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Oct 24 13:57:40 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:57:40 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE307D4.7030204@swbell.net> O. Sinclair wrote: > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > attended to even if they are serious. > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. > > Sinclair > > I can agree with everyone else in that it's a KDE problem much more than a Kubuntu problem. Maybe some folks just can't separate the two. As I have said many times before. I am _not_ a power user. I'm an average home computer user. I never tried 8.04 with KDE 4, 8.10/4.x was a PITA until a KDE upgrade. Since then KUbuntu/KDE has just simply worked for me. No wireless issues, although I will admit that it does get a bit cranky once in a while. Don't use Kmail so no issues with that. I'm a happy camper. Looking forward to 9.10. A couple weeks ago for some unknown reason my 8.04 install started to boot up again [ boot failed for months and I never got around to trying to fix it ]. I played around for a little bit. After using KDE 4.x for a year KDE 3.x was kind of .............. "clunky" somehow. I almost wish it hadn't started booting again. I had such fond memories................. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away Sent with Thunderbird on my Kubuntu Linux Desktop From paradox.herron at bluewin.ch Sat Oct 24 14:32:11 2009 From: paradox.herron at bluewin.ch (john d. herron) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:32:11 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> On 10/24/2009 03:30 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: > On Saturday 24 October 2009 04:28:14 O. Sinclair wrote: > >> http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 >> >> Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being >> attended to even if they are serious. >> >> And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, >> still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. >> >> Sinclair >> >> > > It is not Kubuntu who have problems, > this is Kde4 who have problems. > > Keep using Hardy-Kde-3.5.10 and keep having > a perfectly working system. > > Even today, 3 *buntu releases later, the hardy release > of kubuntu, stands the better system of all times. (for me) > > So i stayed with a perfect system, my kubuntu-8.04 > and I dont miss any of the whistles of the others versions. > > Tend to agree with you, Martin. After reading all of the complaints surrounding KDE 4.x, I too have decided to stay with Hardy, using KDE 3.5 which works well indeed, and that's where I'm going to remain until the KDE 4. issues get untangled. john -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 14:43:25 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:43:25 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> > Tend to agree with you, Martin. After reading all of the complaints > surrounding KDE 4.x, I too have decided to stay with Hardy, using KDE 3.5 > which works well indeed, and that's where I'm going to remain until the KDE > 4. issues get untangled. Then you would be wise to install KDE 4.3 (Karmic is a good way to do this) on a test system, and report the issues that you find. KDE 4 is different than KDE 3, and KDE 3 was great because it was so customizable. That means that the issues _I_ had with KDE 4 are different than the issues _you_ will have with KDE 4. Just write to the list (and CC me) so that we can help file bugs and get the issues worked out. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 24 14:53:54 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:53:54 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910241053.54401.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 24 October 2009, O. Sinclair wrote: >http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > >Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being >attended to even if they are serious. > >And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, >still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. > >Sinclair > I certainly can't deny this, and deplore the current state of kubuntu. OTOH, I just recently installed 8.04 LTS because that is what the realtime part of an emc install needs, emc being Electronic Machine Control, the free version of the rs-274 language developed by NIST 2 decades ago. With some nice gui's wrapped around it, it is a very good CNC program. I run a small milling machine with it. This 8.04 LTS install of course came with gnome, and TBT, the gnome folks have been listening to their users a lot closer than the KDE people have, and I could use that interface happily if KDE were to just go away. The only thing I'd miss in kmail, and even that has been in need of wart remover for a long time. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. this is the New Overfiend, preacher of Love and Tolerance From barnaby at drofle.com Sat Oct 24 16:13:32 2009 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:13:32 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <4AE327AC.6010202@drofle.com> john d. herron wrote: >> >> It is not Kubuntu who have problems, >> this is Kde4 who have problems. >> >> Keep using Hardy-Kde-3.5.10 and keep having >> a perfectly working system. >> >> Even today, 3 *buntu releases later, the hardy release >> of kubuntu, stands the better system of all times. (for me) >> >> So i stayed with a perfect system, my kubuntu-8.04 >> and I dont miss any of the whistles of the others versions. >> >> > Tend to agree with you, Martin. After reading all of the complaints > surrounding KDE 4.x, I too have decided to stay with Hardy, using KDE > 3.5 which works well indeed, and that's where I'm going to remain until > the KDE 4. issues get untangled. > john > > Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put until I can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. Neil From mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 16:18:16 2009 From: mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com (Martin Laberge) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:18:16 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> On Saturday 24 October 2009 10:43:25 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Tend to agree with you, Martin. After reading all of the complaints > > surrounding KDE 4.x, I too have decided to stay with Hardy, using KDE 3.5 > > which works well indeed, and that's where I'm going to remain until the KDE > > 4. issues get untangled. > > Then you would be wise to install KDE 4.3 (Karmic is a good way to do > this) on a test system, and report the issues that you find. KDE 4 is > different than KDE 3, and KDE 3 was great because it was so > customizable. That means that the issues _I_ had with KDE 4 are > different than the issues _you_ will have with KDE 4. Just write to > the list (and CC me) so that we can help file bugs and get the issues > worked out. > > > -- > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > I will certainly do, as soon i install a karmik kde4 on a virtualbox on my kubuntu-hardy, and test it. you seem really interested to advocate the new karmic-kde4, and I will do you the favor to test it, and tell about the experience. Maybe will it be time to switch, but for what I know now, it will not be the time until one or two kde4 cycles. ( L , M ) Maybe my opinion will change after the real live test... -- Martin Laberge mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com *** 30 Years of Unix Admin, and now living *** From eagles051387 at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 16:53:38 2009 From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:53:38 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? Message-ID: i have been a kubuntu user from the get go when i started using it on edgy. it has come along way in terms of wifi support for various cards and its improving slowly slowly. what bugs me is a big thing in the wifi department. the network manager widget doesnt seem to work. it works for a while then it gets updated to something that is broken. i love kubuntu and cannot see myself being on any other distros. woudl be nice if more got fixed as to the minor peculiarities, but as a distro as a whole i havent had many problems with it and in all honesty cant bring myself to use any other distro. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sat Oct 24 17:03:54 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:03:54 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910241003.54770.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday 24 October 2009 7:32:11 am john d. herron wrote: > On 10/24/2009 03:30 PM, Martin Laberge wrote: > > It is not Kubuntu who have problems, > > this is Kde4 who have problems. > > > > Keep using Hardy-Kde-3.5.10 and keep having > > a perfectly working system. > > > > Even today, 3 *buntu releases later, the hardy release > > of kubuntu, stands the better system of all times. (for me) > > > > So i stayed with a perfect system, my kubuntu-8.04 > > and I dont miss any of the whistles of the others versions. > > > > Tend to agree with you, Martin. After reading all of the complaints > surrounding KDE 4.x, I too have decided to stay with Hardy, using KDE > 3.5 which works well indeed, and that's where I'm going to remain until > the KDE 4. issues get untangled. > john I also stayed with Hardy with KDE 3 as this system NEEDS to work. I plan on updating to 10.04 when it arrives but will still keep my 8.04 workhorse of a laptop as it does everything I need to do! LinDVD, Skype, Open Office and k-mail are very heavily used everyday around here. Never have been fond of gnome, ...don't have one in my garden either! -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From mailinglists at steffenkrapp.de Sat Oct 24 17:05:48 2009 From: mailinglists at steffenkrapp.de (Steffen Krapp) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:05:48 +0200 Subject: Import of vCards fails Message-ID: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Hello, I have a problem importing my old addressbook in kaddressbook. I'm using kubuntu 9.10 for AMD64 with kaddressbook version 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6. If I try to import something nothing happens, not even an message about the failing. Has anybody the same problem and maybe a solution? Thanks Steffen From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 17:29:46 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:29:46 +0200 Subject: Import of vCards fails In-Reply-To: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> References: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Message-ID: <200910241929.47136.tanghus@gmail.com> On 24/10-2009 19:05 Steffen Krapp wrote: > Hello, > > I have a problem importing my old addressbook in kaddressbook. I'm using > kubuntu 9.10 for AMD64 with kaddressbook version 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6. If I try > to import something nothing happens, not even an message about the > failing. Has anybody the same problem and maybe a solution? > > Thanks > Steffen > Maybe you should try at kdepim-users at kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 24 17:39:05 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:39:05 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910241839.05770.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Saturday 24 Oct 2009 09:28:14 O. Sinclair wrote: > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > attended to even if they are serious. > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. > > Sinclair > > Hmm. The guy seems to have an axe to grind, mostly in the areas of 'custom themes'. Crikey, if he's that concerned about how it looks he should paint his computer pink and only use it when sitting in a Ferrari. Being disingenuous, I could point out that Gnome needs custom themes and icon sets to stop it from looking like a toy computer from the 90's. KDE4 needs no such facelift. I agree that 9.04 has not been great. I've been using every ppa and backport repository I can find just to get a useable desktop. I think it's an interesting discussion as to whether this is Kubuntu's fault. KDE4 was nowhere near ready to be used as an everyday system when 9.04 came out. With KDE 4.3.2 it's just about getting there. So I think Kubuntu (and everybody else, it has to be said) were too hasty in switching to KDE4. But had they not done so, who would have found the bugs and reported them back to KDE? The magic elves? Linux is permanent beta software; if you want stability stick with what you've got. On the other hand, I was too hasty in upgrading my machine. I was seduced by the eye-candy and the idea of a new toy to play with and chose to ignore the fact that KDE4 was cutting edge (which is engineering for "new, untested, and doesn't work"). Mea culpa, as I think they say in far-off places. It's not only Kubuntu that has this problem. I also use Mandriva, and their previous release - 2009.0 with KDE4.0 - was as atrocious, if not worse, than early Jaunty releases. This followed hot on the heels of what I regard as the best Linux release ever - Mandriva 2008.1, which had KDE 3.5. The similarity to the change between Intrepid and Jaunty is uncanny. I personally think that, away from the KDE issues, Kubuntu is improving. Compared to other distros I've used, everything in Jaunty feels very integrated. It looks and feels like a very polished OS. Once KDE 4 is "finished", Kubuntu will be a fine system. And when that happens I am going to seal up the CD-Rom drive so that I can never upgrade again :) I put this one down to experience. Having gone through the last 12 months I kind of wish I'd seen the signs and stuck with my nice stable KDE3 based systems until KDE4 reached maturity. The fact that I didn't has caused me some grief, but I'm not going to complain about it, rather I'm going to continue to report bugs and help the community in any way I can to bring the distant nirvana of stability closer. Mark From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Sat Oct 24 17:04:54 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:04:54 +0200 Subject: Mp3 tags problem Message-ID: <4AE333B6.5020607@prayingforisrael.net> Using EasyTag on 9.04 I have a sandisk Sansa Mp3 player and have downloaded an audio book in Mp3. The problem that I am having is that the 'book' chapters don't play on the sansa in the correct order. So I opened up EasyTag and changed the tags etc. using ID3 v.2.4 but no joy. The 'book'/Album is still listed as 'Unknown' and the playing order is still not correct. Is there something I'm missing? Blessings, Nigel From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 17:47:35 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:47:35 +0300 Subject: Mp3 tags problem In-Reply-To: <4AE333B6.5020607@prayingforisrael.net> References: <4AE333B6.5020607@prayingforisrael.net> Message-ID: <4AE33DB7.2060509@gmail.com> Nigel Ridley wrote: > Using EasyTag on 9.04 > I have a sandisk Sansa Mp3 player and have downloaded an audio book in Mp3. > The problem that I am having is that the 'book' chapters don't play on the sansa in the correct > order. So I opened up EasyTag and changed the tags etc. using ID3 v.2.4 but no joy. The > 'book'/Album is still listed as 'Unknown' and the playing order is still not correct. > > Is there something I'm missing? > > Blessings, > > Nigel > different versions of tagging? maybe your player doesn't support the version of tagging you're using. edit the settings of the tagging program. -- Willy K. 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I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put until I > can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. > Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 18:51:34 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:51:34 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> > I will certainly do, as soon i install a karmik kde4 on a > virtualbox on my kubuntu-hardy, and test it. > > you seem really interested to advocate the new karmic-kde4, > and I will do you the favor to test it, and tell about the experience. > I am interested in solving the remaining issues in KDE 4. Karmic and *buntu are a distant second consideration. > Maybe will it be time to switch, but for what I know now, > it will not be the time until one or two kde4 cycles. ( L , M ) > We are already on the fourth KDE 4 cycle. The first two (4.0 and 4.1) were not meant for end users. KDE 4.2 was, but it had a lot of rough edges. KDE 4.3 really shines, but most KDE 3 users who strayed from the default settings will find something missing. I find those missing features and file feature requests on them. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Sat Oct 24 19:46:07 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:46:07 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910241246.07197.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Saturday 24 October 2009 11:51:34 am Dotan Cohen wrote: > We are already on the fourth KDE 4 cycle. The first two (4.0 and 4.1) > were not meant for end users. KDE 4.2 was, but it had a lot of rough > edges. KDE 4.3 really shines, but most KDE 3 users who strayed from > the default settings will find something missing. I find those missing > features and file feature requests on them. I have been trying to find a way to display my cpu temp in the bottom panel like my KDE3 does in my KDE4 install but so far no luck. According to the fan speed KDE4 runs warmer than KDE3 so I want to keep track of it no matter window I am working in. KDE3's way is very nice. Of course I am very fond of KDE3 anyway. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 20:03:45 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:03:45 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910241246.07197.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <200910241246.07197.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <880dece00910241303u12eadd98kfdf715bc19864645@mail.gmail.com> > I have been trying to find a way to display my cpu temp in the bottom panel > like my KDE3 does in my KDE4 install but so far no luck.  According to the > fan speed KDE4 runs warmer than KDE3 so I want to keep track of it no matter > window I am working in.  KDE3's way is very nice.  Of course I am very fond > of KDE3 anyway. > Please comment on this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211207 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 24 21:20:55 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:20:55 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910241148x662170bfsa35659e60e5b136f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE327AC.6010202@drofle.com> <880dece00910241148x662170bfsa35659e60e5b136f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put until I >> can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. > >Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted >out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. > I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in kmail, but since the last update, that menu option is empty. But that is on an F10 install, so its off topic here, but... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. magnetic interferance from money/credit cards From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 21:34:17 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:34:17 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE327AC.6010202@drofle.com> <880dece00910241148x662170bfsa35659e60e5b136f@mail.gmail.com> <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <880dece00910241434r527e5408ra7b26e1bd36d19d6@mail.gmail.com> > I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in kmail, but > since the last update, that menu option is empty.  But that is on an F10 > install, so its off topic here, but... > KMail 1.12.2 on KDE 4.3.2, I have the forward options. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 21:34:31 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:34:31 +0200 Subject: KMail forwarding. Was: Re: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <880dece00910241148x662170bfsa35659e60e5b136f@mail.gmail.com> <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200910242334.31365.tanghus@gmail.com> On 24/10-2009 23:20 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put until I > >> can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. > > > >Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted > >out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. > > I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in kmail, but > since the last update, that menu option is empty. But that is on an F10 > install, so its off topic here, but... > In 9.04 with KDE 4.3.2 it's in the toolbar but not in the menu. The subject has been mention previously on one of the lists - maybe kdepim-users. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 24 22:10:24 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:10:24 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <880dece00910241148x662170bfsa35659e60e5b136f@mail.gmail.com> <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200910241810.25149.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 24 October 2009 05:20:55 pm Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put until I > >> can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. > > Many thanks and much praise to Dotan for all the effort he is doing on our behalf. It is terribly difficult to figure out what "until I can see that KDE4 is really sorted out" actually means without more specifics. As this differs for each of us, it must be a somewhat daunting task. > >Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted > >out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. > This is key. Even a livecd run from a disk or via a flash drive is an easy way to do this without having to do a full install or running it from Virtualbox. It is the primary method I use to check out Ubuntu/Gnome. I try running that for a week about once a year as my primary OS; I usually last 3-4 days before going back to my beloved KDE. Unfortunately some of those still waiting for KDE4 to be exactly like KDE3 will ultimately be disappointed. While the differences between the 2 are far, far less than the differences between, say Gnome and KDE, there are probably enough things that cannot or will not be done. We need to provide more input to minimize what those things are through users using and testing. > I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in kmail, but > since the last update, that menu option is empty. But that is on an F10 > install, so its off topic here, but... > ... I have the usual options here in 1.12.2 (KDE 4.3.2) in Karmic, both from the toolbar and from the right-click context menu clay From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 24 22:15:15 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:15:15 -0400 Subject: KMail forwarding. Was: Re: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910242334.31365.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200910242334.31365.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910241815.15483.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: >On 24/10-2009 23:20 Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put until >> >> I can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. >> > >> >Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted >> >out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. >> >> I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in kmail, >> but since the last update, that menu option is empty. But that is on an >> F10 install, so its off topic here, but... > >In 9.04 with KDE 4.3.2 it's in the toolbar but not in the menu. The subject >has been mention previously on one of the lists - maybe kdepim-users. > I installed that from the left list, but its as an attachment only, no choice of doing it inline so that one might add applicable comments. I miss that. Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. You have all the characteristics of a popular politician: a horrible voice, bad breeding, and a vulgar manner. -- Aristophanes From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 24 22:17:30 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:17:30 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910241434r527e5408ra7b26e1bd36d19d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910241720.55779.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <880dece00910241434r527e5408ra7b26e1bd36d19d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910241817.30654.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in kmail, >> but since the last update, that menu option is empty. But that is on an >> F10 install, so its off topic here, but... > >KMail 1.12.2 on KDE 4.3.2, I have the forward options. In the messages pulldown, or as an attachment via moving the fwd icon to the toolbar in settings->toolbar? Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Truth is the most valuable thing we have -- so let us economize it. -- Mark Twain From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 24 22:18:01 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:18:01 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910241246.07197.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <200910241246.07197.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> Message-ID: <200910241818.01335.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Pastor JW wrote: > I have been trying to find a way to display my cpu temp in the bottom > panel like my KDE3 does in my KDE4 install but so far no luck. According > to the fan speed KDE4 runs warmer than KDE3 so I want to keep track of it > no matter window I am working in. KDE3's way is very nice. Of course I > am very fond of KDE3 anyway > What version of kubuntu are you running? I think there may be a bug in the latest kernels.... I too am having temp problems on one machine, and actually, it's not overheating, but the kernel thinks it is and spits out about 5 msgs per second and eventually the root drive fills up. From godshatter at yahoo.com Sat Oct 24 23:21:11 2009 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? Message-ID: <757876.12720.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 >> >> Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being >> attended to even if they are serious. >> > >The author is complaining about KDE bugs, not Kubuntu bugs. While I >agree that Canonical could do more to work around KDE issues, that >does not mean the decline of KDE. Rather, it means that Kubuntu is as >it always has been. While it's true that the specific bugs are KDE's immediate problem, it was Canonical's decision to go to KDE 4.x WAY too early (imo). I waited until a couple of weeks ago to upgrade to Jaunty and KDE4. While I really like the plasma desktop and appreciate many of the graphical enhancements, there have been lots of problems that I did not have in KDE3. The plasma desktop has crashed on me, sometimes half a dozen times a day. I think it was related to a plasma widget, but I'm not sure which one since I took as many off my system as I could to try to get it to stop, which it eventually did. I still have problems with plasma taking 100% of the CPU, making the interface sluggish. Some of the other applications that are launched by default have troubles. For example, gwenview will die on me randomly, but only after it's been open for a while in a folder with lots of thumbnails. I'm still mostly happy with Jaunty, but I think that keeping KDE4 experimental for another version or two would have been a better idea. If I can get some time, I'll try to research some of the above problems and file a bug report or two. Paul From tanghus at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 00:41:30 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:41:30 +0200 Subject: KMail forwarding. Was: Re: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910241815.15483.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910242334.31365.tanghus@gmail.com> <200910241815.15483.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200910250241.30424.tanghus@gmail.com> On 25/10-2009 00:15 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: > >On 24/10-2009 23:20 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> >> Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put until > >> >> I can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. > >> > > >> >Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted > >> >out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. > >> > >> I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in kmail, > >> but since the last update, that menu option is empty. But that is on an > >> F10 install, so its off topic here, but... > > > >In 9.04 with KDE 4.3.2 it's in the toolbar but not in the menu. The > > subject has been mention previously on one of the lists - maybe > > kdepim-users. > > I installed that from the left list, but its as an attachment only, no > choice of doing it inline so that one might add applicable comments. I > miss that. "I installed that from the left list". Sorry - I don't understand what you mean. Don't you have a "Forward" button in your toolbar that you can press down and get the options: "As attachment", "Inline", "Redirect" and "With custom template"? Maybe try "Settings"=>"Configure toolbars". -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 25 01:29:06 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:29:06 -0400 Subject: KMail forwarding. Was: Re: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910250241.30424.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910241815.15483.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200910250241.30424.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910242129.06652.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: >On 25/10-2009 00:15 Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: >> >On 24/10-2009 23:20 Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> >> Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put >> >> >> until I can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. >> >> > >> >> >Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted >> >> >out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. >> >> >> >> I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in >> >> kmail, but since the last update, that menu option is empty. But that >> >> is on an F10 install, so its off topic here, but... >> > >> >In 9.04 with KDE 4.3.2 it's in the toolbar but not in the menu. The >> > subject has been mention previously on one of the lists - maybe >> > kdepim-users. >> >> I installed that from the left list, but its as an attachment only, no >> choice of doing it inline so that one might add applicable comments. I >> miss that. > >"I installed that from the left list". Sorry - I don't understand what you >mean. Configuring the toolbar brings up a 2 panel window, with the left panel showing what is available, the the right one showing what is already on the toolbar. I move it from the available (left) side to the toolbar (right) side then used the up down arrows to put it where I wanted it. >Don't you have a "Forward" button in your toolbar that you can press down > and get the options: "As attachment", "Inline", "Redirect" and "With > custom template"? >Maybe try "Settings"=>"Configure toolbars". Precisely. But since this box does auto-repeats at about 4*10-ee33 a minute, I never stood on the button long enough for that to pop up, so I didn't know it was there. Thank you very much! If anyone manages to concoct a utility that can control the dwell time it takes for the auto repeat, and the auto repeat itself throttled to say .5 seconds, and 20 chars a second after the auto repeat kicks in, they will have my undying gratitude, I spend 2/3rds of the time composing a message going back and fixing the typu's this cccccreaattttes. <-example. PIMA is what it is. But I have learned something, and I thank you very much. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. The best things in life go on sale sooner or later. From ck.thrissur at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 02:01:33 2009 From: ck.thrissur at gmail.com (ck raju) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:31:33 +0530 Subject: Versioning Stable ISO releases Message-ID: Wouldn't it be better to have a version control for iso images as well - at least for stable releases, with a weekly-build to start with ? For people without online internet connection, wouldn't such a feature be beneficial ? The main page can promote the latest one incorporating the latest bug fixes and security patches. Just a thought. 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So since I tend to use vim to edit my scripts, what I actually tend to do is "ggO#!^[:r!which bash^MkJ" But now I wonder if I need to add "x" or "2x" to the above... I figure that if one of the above wasn't interpreted as a request to run the script in bash then it would be treated as a comment line. And the only way I'd know that was happening would be if I actually included something that worked in bash, but not in whichever shell happened to run the script. And I'm not good enough with any of the other shells to be sure I'd spot the problem. So I'm not really sure if my scripts are correctly specifying that they should be run in the bash shell. Would some better script programmer than I am, kindly set me straight. Thanks -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From ck.thrissur at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 02:16:30 2009 From: ck.thrissur at gmail.com (ck raju) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:46:30 +0530 Subject: Versioning Stable ISO releases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:31 AM, ck raju wrote: For a moment, when I saw the oldest version in the front download page, I forgot that daily builds and weekly builds were already there. (Oops, memory problems) -- CK Raju -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200910242129.06652.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910250241.30424.tanghus@gmail.com> <200910242129.06652.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200910250329.21909.tanghus@gmail.com> On 25/10-2009 02:29 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: > >On 25/10-2009 00:15 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: > >> >On 24/10-2009 23:20 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> >> >> Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put > >> >> >> until I can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. > >> >> > > >> >> >Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted > >> >> >out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. > >> >> > >> >> I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in > >> >> kmail, but since the last update, that menu option is empty. But > >> >> that is on an F10 install, so its off topic here, but... > >> > > >> >In 9.04 with KDE 4.3.2 it's in the toolbar but not in the menu. The > >> > subject has been mention previously on one of the lists - maybe > >> > kdepim-users. > >> > >> I installed that from the left list, but its as an attachment only, no > >> choice of doing it inline so that one might add applicable comments. I > >> miss that. > > > >"I installed that from the left list". Sorry - I don't understand what you > >mean. > > Configuring the toolbar brings up a 2 panel window, with the left panel > showing what is available, the the right one showing what is already on the > toolbar. I move it from the available (left) side to the toolbar (right) > side then used the up down arrows to put it where I wanted it. Ah. You were a step ahead of me. > >Don't you have a "Forward" button in your toolbar that you can press down > > and get the options: "As attachment", "Inline", "Redirect" and "With > > custom template"? > >Maybe try "Settings"=>"Configure toolbars". > > Precisely. But since this box does auto-repeats at about 4*10-ee33 a > minute, I never stood on the button long enough for that to pop up, so I > didn't know it was there. Thank you very much! > > If anyone manages to concoct a utility that can control the dwell time it > takes for the auto repeat, and the auto repeat itself throttled to say .5 > seconds, and 20 chars a second after the auto repeat kicks in, they will > have my undying gratitude, I spend 2/3rds of the time composing a message > going back and fixing the typu's this cccccreaattttes. <-example. PIMA > is what it is. In "System Settings"=>"Keyboard & Mouse" you should be able to do some tweaking. > But I have learned something, and I thank you very much. The small downwards pointing arrow on a toolbar icon is always a good hint that there's something hidden there :-) But i think it's a UI bug that the forward options aren't available in the "Message" menu. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From tanghus at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 02:36:04 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:36:04 +0200 Subject: [OT] Is it "#!/bin/bash", "#! /bin/bash", or does it even matter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910250336.04702.tanghus@gmail.com> On 25/10-2009 03:09 "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" wrote: > Memory can be a silly thing. > I know that if I want a script to be run by a particular shell (such as > bash) then I want the first line of the script to start with "#!" followed > by the path to the shell involved. But it suddenly occurred to me that I > may have been doing it wrong. > > I'm not sure if it's supposed to look like: > #!/bin/bash > or like: > #! /bin/bash > And for that matter how about: > #! /bin/bash > Which I'm likely to get because to be honest I can never remember if it's > /bin/bash or /usr/bin/bash etc... So since I tend to use vim to edit my > scripts, what I actually tend to do is "ggO#!^[:r!which bash^MkJ" But now I > wonder if I need to add "x" or "2x" to the above... > > I figure that if one of the above wasn't interpreted as a request to run > the script in bash then it would be treated as a comment line. And the > only way I'd know that was happening would be if I actually included > something that worked in bash, but not in whichever shell happened to run > the script. > > And I'm not good enough with any of the other shells to be sure I'd spot > the problem. So I'm not really sure if my scripts are correctly specifying > that they should be run in the bash shell. Would some better script > programmer than I am, kindly set me straight. > > Thanks > I'm absolutely not a good shell scripter but this works for me: #! /usr/bin/env bash Then the "env" (environment I guess?) utility checks where bash is located. But I think that all your suggestions would work on 99.9% GNU/Linux systems. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From claydoh at midmaine.com Sun Oct 25 02:37:47 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:37:47 -0400 Subject: Versioning Stable ISO releases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910242237.47809.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 24 October 2009 10:22:13 pm ck raju wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:46 AM, ck raju wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:31 AM, ck raju wrote: > > For a moment, when I saw the oldest version in the front download page, I > > forgot that daily builds and weekly builds were already there. (Oops, > > memory problems) > > Think I am on the verge of getting evicted !! Weekly and daily builds are > for experimental ones, aren't they ? Do we have them for stable as well ? > No, but in the past they have made new isos with the current security fixes, etc included just for that purpose, The LTS versions seem gets this treatment for the most part. With a 6 month development cycle, a daily build of the current version as well as that of the next version is not of much use as once a version is released it gets no *new* software versions, only fixes to the existing version clay clay From nigel at prayingforisrael.net Sun Oct 25 02:38:16 2009 From: nigel at prayingforisrael.net (Nigel Ridley) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:38:16 +0200 Subject: Mp3 tags problem In-Reply-To: <4AE33DB7.2060509@gmail.com> References: <4AE333B6.5020607@prayingforisrael.net> <4AE33DB7.2060509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE3BA18.2010603@prayingforisrael.net> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Nigel Ridley wrote: >> Using EasyTag on 9.04 >> I have a sandisk Sansa Mp3 player and have downloaded an audio book in Mp3. >> The problem that I am having is that the 'book' chapters don't play on the sansa in the correct >> order. So I opened up EasyTag and changed the tags etc. using ID3 v.2.4 but no joy. The >> 'book'/Album is still listed as 'Unknown' and the playing order is still not correct. >> >> Is there something I'm missing? >> >> Blessings, >> >> Nigel >> > different versions of tagging? > maybe your player doesn't support the version of tagging you're using. > edit the settings of the tagging program. > > I changed to ID3 v.2.3 in the preferences and now all is hunky dory :-) Nigel From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 25 03:09:37 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:09:37 -0400 Subject: KMail forwarding. Was: Re: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910250329.21909.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910242129.06652.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200910250329.21909.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910242309.37314.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: >On 25/10-2009 02:29 Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: >> >On 25/10-2009 00:15 Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Thomas Olsen wrote: >> >> >On 24/10-2009 23:20 Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> >> >> Me too. I have stayed with Kubuntu Hardy and intend to stay put >> >> >> >> until I can see that KDE4 is really sorted out. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Please test KDE 4.3 and let me know which issues need to be sorted >> >> >> >out. I will help file bugs on them. Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> I used to be able to fwd a message in several different modes in >> >> >> kmail, but since the last update, that menu option is empty. But >> >> >> that is on an F10 install, so its off topic here, but... >> >> > >> >> >In 9.04 with KDE 4.3.2 it's in the toolbar but not in the menu. The >> >> > subject has been mention previously on one of the lists - maybe >> >> > kdepim-users. >> >> >> >> I installed that from the left list, but its as an attachment only, no >> >> choice of doing it inline so that one might add applicable comments. >> >> I miss that. >> > >> >"I installed that from the left list". Sorry - I don't understand what >> > you mean. >> >> Configuring the toolbar brings up a 2 panel window, with the left panel >> showing what is available, the the right one showing what is already on >> the toolbar. I move it from the available (left) side to the toolbar >> (right) side then used the up down arrows to put it where I wanted it. > >Ah. You were a step ahead of me. > >> >Don't you have a "Forward" button in your toolbar that you can press >> > down and get the options: "As attachment", "Inline", "Redirect" and >> > "With custom template"? >> >Maybe try "Settings"=>"Configure toolbars". >> >> Precisely. But since this box does auto-repeats at about 4*10-ee33 a >> minute, I never stood on the button long enough for that to pop up, so I >> didn't know it was there. Thank you very much! >> >> If anyone manages to concoct a utility that can control the dwell time it >> takes for the auto repeat, and the auto repeat itself throttled to say .5 >> seconds, and 20 chars a second after the auto repeat kicks in, they will >> have my undying gratitude, I spend 2/3rds of the time composing a >> message going back and fixing the typu's this cccccreaattttes. >> <-example. PIMA is what it is. > >In "System Settings"=>"Keyboard & Mouse" you should be able to do some >tweaking. TBT it seems to help now, the last time I tried that, it had zero effect. Probably an update fixed it? At any rate, it seems better behaved now, thank you. >> But I have learned something, and I thank you very much. > >The small downwards pointing arrow on a toolbar icon is always a good hint >that there's something hidden there :-) I've seen it on several icons, but missed the connection. Damn, I really am getting old... >But i think it's a UI bug that the forward options aren't available in the >"Message" menu. So do I, its been there since about kde 1.2 or so. Thanks Thomas. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Pushing 40 is exercise enough. From kc8pdr at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 06:48:41 2009 From: kc8pdr at gmail.com (William Biggs) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:48:41 -0400 Subject: w64codecs Message-ID: <1256453321.14944.2.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> I just installed kubuntu 9.04 I need to where to download the w64codecs and how to install then ? From ming.kbot at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 07:07:37 2009 From: ming.kbot at gmail.com (Ming Kbot) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:07:37 -0400 Subject: w64codecs In-Reply-To: <1256453321.14944.2.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> References: <1256453321.14944.2.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> Message-ID: <200910250307.37192.ming.kbot@gmail.com> On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:48:41 am William Biggs wrote: > I just installed kubuntu 9.04 I need to where to download the w64codecs > and how to install then ? http://packages.medibuntu.org/jaunty/w64codecs.html http://www.medibuntu.org/ From eagles051387 at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 07:11:06 2009 From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:11:06 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? (Dotan Cohen) Message-ID: Dotan for one and its a major bug is the cursed network manager. its not connecting at all to my wpa2 enabled wireless. jaunty it worked and even in karmic till it got an upgrade. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 07:14:19 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:14:19 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <757876.12720.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <757876.12720.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910250014tbcb1210xc9028a41a8cdcfda@mail.gmail.com> > While it's true that the specific bugs are KDE's immediate problem, it was Canonical's decision to go to KDE 4.x WAY too early (imo). > > I waited until a couple of weeks ago to upgrade to Jaunty and KDE4.  While I really like the plasma desktop and appreciate many of the graphical enhancements, there have been lots of problems that I did not have in KDE3.  The plasma desktop has crashed on me, sometimes half a dozen times a day.  I think it was related to a plasma widget, but I'm not sure which one since I took as many off my system as I could to try to get it to stop, which it eventually did.  I still have problems with plasma taking 100% of the CPU, making the interface sluggish.  Some of the other applications that are launched by default have troubles.  For example, gwenview will die on me randomly, but only after it's been open for a while in a folder with lots of thumbnails. > > I'm still mostly happy with Jaunty, but I think that keeping KDE4 experimental for another version or two would have been a better idea. > > If I can get some time, I'll try to research some of the above problems and file a bug report or two. > Lots of crashers were fixed for KDE 4.3. You should probably test with Karmic. CC me with any issues that you find, such as features missing from KDE 3 or unintuitiveness. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From bigras.bruno at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 08:10:59 2009 From: bigras.bruno at gmail.com (Bruno Bigras) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:10:59 -0400 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <3d9482340910231433n5f4a6dabq54dbbec981dc1119@mail.gmail.com> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> Are you sure we already have this feature? If so, do you mind telling us how to use it in 4.3 ? I thought it was implemented only recently in trunk see : http://www.inspircd.com/index.php?page=Main&action=Read&id=94 2009/10/23 David Fletcher : > On Friday 23 Oct 2009, Fabio Locati wrote: >> Is there a version on youtube? I'm not american, but I'm curiouse to >> see what they did.. > > Neither am I - I'm in the UK. > > Try here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmiPzMY4nuE > > Looks pretty much like the feature that's been in KDE for ages. From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 09:20:17 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:20:17 +0100 Subject: [OT] Is it "#!/bin/bash", "#! /bin/bash", or does it even matter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/10/25 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook : > Memory can be a silly thing. > I know that if I want a script to be run by a particular shell (such as bash) > then I want the first line of the script to start with "#!" followed by the > path to the shell involved. But it suddenly occurred to me that I may have > been doing it wrong. > > I'm not sure if it's supposed to look like: > #!/bin/bash > or like: > #! /bin/bash > And for that matter how about: > #!  /bin/bash > Which I'm likely to get because to be honest I can never remember if it's > /bin/bash or /usr/bin/bash etc... According to wikipedia[1] it can be any number of white spaces between exclamation point and a absolute path to the interpreter program. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29 / Jonas From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Sun Oct 25 09:22:56 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:22:56 +0100 Subject: Karmic: Akonadi won't start because of dbus Message-ID: <200910251022.57209.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Hi, I updates from jaunty to karmic and now I get errors from failed akonadi. I uploaded the debug infos to http://www.bretschneidernet.de/tmp/akonadi-error.txt . I guess the main problem is ######################################################### Test 10: ERROR -------- Akonadi server process not registered at D-Bus. Details: The Akonadi server process is not registered at D-Bus which typically means it was not started or encountered a fatal error during startup. ########################################################### This seems to be a common problem since there is entry on http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi . My home partition is not encrypted so I tried the the following: ####################################################################### The fix is to edit the following file "/etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld- akonadi". Below the line: @{HOME}/.local/share/akonadi/** rwk, Add a new line: @{HOME}/.Private/** rwk, Restart apparmor and restart akonadi. ####################################################################### But that did not solved the problem. I also tried a new test user. I guess this is a main problem if any KDE user get this error after starting KDE... Do you any hints? Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (o__ (O_ Mark Twain: //\' //\ Whenever you find yourself on the side of V_/_ V_/_ the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 09:30:42 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:30:42 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <3d9482340910231433n5f4a6dabq54dbbec981dc1119@mail.gmail.com> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910250230u370291f9m5fdcb998c5814043@mail.gmail.com> > Are you sure we already have this feature? If so, do you mind telling > us how to use it in 4.3 ? > > I thought it was implemented only recently in trunk see : > http://www.inspircd.com/index.php?page=Main&action=Read&id=94 > The BKO feature request is here: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182069 I tried adding that bug to the blog post, but I could not get the captcha right. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 09:32:34 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:32:34 +0200 Subject: [OT] Is it "#!/bin/bash", "#! /bin/bash", or does it even matter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880dece00910250232n47f00dfcg1c2ee72d71ef4b98@mail.gmail.com> > According to wikipedia[1] it can be any number of white spaces between > exclamation point and a absolute path to the interpreter program. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_%28Unix%29 > With that in mind, don't go over 70 characters in the first line. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dave at thefletchers.net Sun Oct 25 11:55:16 2009 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:55:16 +0000 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910251155.16300.dave@thefletchers.net> On Sunday 25 Oct 2009, Bruno Bigras wrote: > Are you sure we already have this feature? If so, do you mind telling > us how to use it in 4.3 ? > I'm still using Hardy. Just started playing with Karmic under Virtualbox yesterday. With Hardy, you slide a window towards another window and the edges snap neatly together. That looks to me pretty much like they're claiming credit for in windoze 7. Just seems like a damned cheek to me. Just tried it with Karmic. It behaves the same way. -- Registered Linux user number 393408 I use and recommend the email service at 1 & 1 For domain registration, email and web hosting please visit: http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=6389763 From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 25 12:07:14 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:07:14 +0000 Subject: Karmic: Akonadi won't start because of dbus In-Reply-To: <200910251022.57209.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> References: <200910251022.57209.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: <200910251207.14356.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Sunday 25 Oct 2009 09:22:56 Martin Bretschneider wrote: > Hi, > > I updates from jaunty to karmic and now I get errors from failed > akonadi. I uploaded the debug infos to > http://www.bretschneidernet.de/tmp/akonadi-error.txt . > > I guess the main problem is > > ######################################################### > Test 10: ERROR > -------- > Akonadi server process not registered at D-Bus. > Details: The Akonadi server process is not registered at D-Bus which > typically means it was not started or encountered a fatal error during > startup. > ########################################################### > > This seems to be a common problem since there is entry on > http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi . My home partition is not encrypted so > I tried the the following: > > ####################################################################### > The fix is to edit the following file "/etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld- > akonadi". Below the line: > > @{HOME}/.local/share/akonadi/** rwk, > > Add a new line: > > @{HOME}/.Private/** rwk, > > Restart apparmor and restart akonadi. > ####################################################################### > > But that did not solved the problem. I also tried a new test user. I > guess this is a main problem if any KDE user get this error after > starting KDE... > > Do you any hints? I had this. It's a very frustrating problem. I probably went through all the links you did. FWIW I had the same issues in Jaunty and I used the same technique to fix both systems. It's not anything to do with D-Bus per se, the error just means that Akonadi failed to start. It doesn't, unfortunately, give any indication as to why this is. To me it looks like a problem with the resource migration tool. I suggest your first step would be to use the Akonadi Control Panel to restart the Akonadi server. This seems to work - once the dekstop is up and running you don't seem to get the same errors. Then delete all the current Akonadi resources and try restarting the Akonadi server. If it then starts, you can try manually re-adding the resources - the Control Panel will let you create new resources and import 'old-style' plain file resources. I created a new Calendar and a new addressbook resource and then rebooted. I think that more or less did it for me. I tried all the other ideas the Google could find, but this eventually got it working for me. HTH Mark > > Martin > From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Sun Oct 25 12:29:09 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:29:09 +0100 Subject: Karmic: Akonadi won't start because of dbus In-Reply-To: <200910251207.14356.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <200910251022.57209.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> <200910251207.14356.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200910251329.10158.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Am Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2009 schrieb Mark Greenwood: > On Sunday 25 Oct 2009 09:22:56 Martin Bretschneider wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I updates from jaunty to karmic and now I get errors from failed > > akonadi. I uploaded the debug infos to > > http://www.bretschneidernet.de/tmp/akonadi-error.txt . > > > > I guess the main problem is > > > > ######################################################### > > Test 10: ERROR > > -------- > > Akonadi server process not registered at D-Bus. > > Details: The Akonadi server process is not registered at D-Bus > > which typically means it was not started or encountered a fatal > > error during startup. > > ########################################################### > > > > This seems to be a common problem since there is entry on > > http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi . My home partition is not > > encrypted so I tried the the following: > > > > ################################################################### > >#### The fix is to edit the following file > > "/etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld- akonadi". Below the line: > > > > @{HOME}/.local/share/akonadi/** rwk, > > > > Add a new line: > > > > @{HOME}/.Private/** rwk, > > > > Restart apparmor and restart akonadi. > > ################################################################### > >#### > > > > But that did not solved the problem. I also tried a new test user. > > I guess this is a main problem if any KDE user get this error after > > starting KDE... > > > > Do you any hints? > > I had this. It's a very frustrating problem. I probably went through > all the links you did. FWIW I had the same issues in Jaunty and I > used the same technique to fix both systems. It's not anything to do > with D-Bus per se, the error just means that Akonadi failed to > start. It doesn't, unfortunately, give any indication as to why this > is. > > To me it looks like a problem with the resource migration tool. Yes, it is the "kres-migration" tool. > I suggest your first step would be to use the Akonadi Control Panel > to restart the Akonadi server. The restart button is greyed out. I can only start it. But there are mysql processed running... Strange... > This seems to work - once the dekstop > is up and running you don't seem to get the same errors. Then delete > all the current Akonadi resources and try restarting the Akonadi > server. I do not have any Akonadi ressource. The kde ressource like address book and calender are plain files. If I try to create an Akonadi ressource I get the same Akonadi starting error... > If it then starts, you can try manually re-adding the > resources - the Control Panel will let you create new resources and > import 'old-style' plain file resources. I created a new Calendar > and a new addressbook resource and then rebooted. I think that more > or less did it for me. > > I tried all the other ideas the Google could find, but this > eventually got it working for me. Hm, I wonder why this is so complicated and causes so much trouble. Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (o__ (O_ Linus Torvalds: //\' //\ I was bitten by a penguin! V_/_ V_/_ I mean, really! Take it from me! I'm wounded. From juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 12:42:29 2009 From: juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:42:29 -0300 Subject: Import of vCards fails In-Reply-To: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> References: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steffen Krapp wrote: > Hello, > > I have a problem importing my old addressbook  in kaddressbook. I'm using > kubuntu 9.10 for AMD64 with kaddressbook version 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6. If I try to > import something nothing happens, not even an message about the failing. Has > anybody the same problem and maybe a solution? I had a similar issue with Kmail and also with Thunderbird running Kubuntu 9.04 64 bits on my laptop. I exported my contacts from gmail and google apps, in csv and vcard and I wasn't able to import them. I don't know how to solve this because it wasn't important for me, and I continued using web and tb for other imap accounts. However, might be processing the files a little might help. It's not about Kaddressbook my issue, but quite similar, and happened to Kmail and TB. Juan From bigras.bruno at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 13:10:19 2009 From: bigras.bruno at gmail.com (Bruno Bigras) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:10:19 -0400 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <200910251155.16300.dave@thefletchers.net> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> <200910251155.16300.dave@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <450fde4d0910250610i65d94250k81142551a71f70c1@mail.gmail.com> There's indeed a feature that snap window borders to help positioning without overlapping windows. But the new feature in Windows 7 is a bit more than that. If I'm right, it makes it easier to resize windows so they take half the screen or 100% of the screen by simply dragging the windows to the sides.. It looks useful when coding if you want your IDE in the left and documentation on the right. Check the two video that were in the bug report that Dotan's linked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbsnbjkrWus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS7a0xDwvlM 2009/10/25 David Fletcher : > With Hardy, you slide a window towards another window and the edges snap > neatly together. That looks to me pretty much like they're claiming credit > for in windoze 7. Just seems like a damned cheek to me. > > Just tried it with Karmic. It behaves the same way. From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Sun Oct 25 13:11:04 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:11:04 +0100 Subject: Karmic: Akonadi won't start because of dbus In-Reply-To: <200910251329.10158.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> References: <200910251022.57209.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> <200910251207.14356.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> <200910251329.10158.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: <200910251411.05080.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> > Hm, I wonder why this is so complicated and causes so much trouble. I installed mysql-server and now use akonadi with an externel mysql server on the same maschine. This does not cause that much trouble. Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (o_ Albert Einstein: (o_ (o_ (o_ //\ Few are those who see with their (\)_(\)_(\)_V_/_ own eyes and feel with their own hearts. From bigras.bruno at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 13:21:43 2009 From: bigras.bruno at gmail.com (Bruno Bigras) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:21:43 -0400 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <880dece00910250230u370291f9m5fdcb998c5814043@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <3d9482340910231433n5f4a6dabq54dbbec981dc1119@mail.gmail.com> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> <880dece00910250230u370291f9m5fdcb998c5814043@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450fde4d0910250621w690e25f5ma37f2efa626a01ae@mail.gmail.com> I tried too, it looks like there's something wrong with it. I emailed the guy directly. 2009/10/25 Dotan Cohen : > The BKO feature request is here: > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182069 > > I tried adding that bug to the blog post, but I could not get the captcha right. From tanghus at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 13:45:07 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:45:07 +0200 Subject: Import of vCards fails In-Reply-To: References: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Message-ID: <200910251445.07217.tanghus@gmail.com> On 25/10-2009 13:42 Juan Marcelo Rodríguez wrote: > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steffen Krapp > > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have a problem importing my old addressbook in kaddressbook. I'm using > > kubuntu 9.10 for AMD64 with kaddressbook version 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6. If I > > try to import something nothing happens, not even an message about the > > failing. Has anybody the same problem and maybe a solution? > > I had a similar issue with Kmail and also with Thunderbird running > Kubuntu 9.04 64 bits on my laptop. > > I exported my contacts from gmail and google apps, in csv and vcard > and I wasn't able to import them. It seems GMails import/export functions are a bit flaky. I tried to import contacts exported from Kontact and GMail got several fields wrong. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From magick.crow at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 15:20:35 2009 From: magick.crow at gmail.com (Knapp) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:20:35 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910250014tbcb1210xc9028a41a8cdcfda@mail.gmail.com> References: <757876.12720.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00910250014tbcb1210xc9028a41a8cdcfda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Having read all these post, I have to say that the problem is with Kubuntu. Kubuntu is an end user distro and it should work. Saying Linux is always beta is totally wrong. Kubuntu has jumped the gun many times with adding software that was not ready to be used and they continue to do this. KDE3 should still be the default with KDE4 an option. Do have to say that anyone that complains about wallpaper is clueless though. AS for staying with 8.04? It is getting very long in the tooth. I see this any time I try and use something new. For example Blender 2.5 will not run because the openAL sound drivers are so old. I have run into this, lib is to old problem, a lot. Kubuntu needs to be responsible and make a working system first and then add bleeding edge stuff as options second. As I see it Kubuntu is a pro distro with a reputation to keep up and they can't do that making irresponsible decisions and could really hurt a users productivity especially when the problems are known beforehand. -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Sun Oct 25 15:23:20 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:23:20 +0000 Subject: Subject: Re: w64codecs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE46D68.1020008@btinternet.com> I just installed kubuntu 9.04 I need to where to download the w64codecs > and how to install then ? --- fire up KpackageKit, type codecs in the search box and click 'search by name', highlihgt what you want and Bob's your uncle. brian From bigras.bruno at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 15:58:34 2009 From: bigras.bruno at gmail.com (Bruno Bigras) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:58:34 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: References: <757876.12720.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00910250014tbcb1210xc9028a41a8cdcfda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450fde4d0910250858u6107ae81pb43f86893a9d7d65@mail.gmail.com> I disagree, KDE 4 is almost 2 years old and it's mature enough to be default. KDE 3.5 is not supported anymore. 2009/10/25 Knapp : > Having read all these post, I have to say that the problem is with > Kubuntu. Kubuntu is an end user distro and it should work. Saying > Linux is always beta is totally wrong. Kubuntu has jumped the gun many > times with adding software that was not ready to be used and they > continue to do this. KDE3 should still be the default with KDE4 an > option. Do have to say that anyone that complains about wallpaper is > clueless though. From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 16:20:31 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:20:31 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <450fde4d0910250610i65d94250k81142551a71f70c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> <200910251155.16300.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250610i65d94250k81142551a71f70c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE47ACF.4020305@gmail.com> Bruno Bigras wrote: > There's indeed a feature that snap window borders to help positioning > without overlapping windows. > > But the new feature in Windows 7 is a bit more than that. If I'm > right, it makes it easier to resize windows so they take half the > screen or 100% of the screen by simply dragging the windows to the > sides.. It looks useful when coding if you want your IDE in the left > and documentation on the right. > > Check the two video that were in the bug report that Dotan's linked. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbsnbjkrWus > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS7a0xDwvlM > > 2009/10/25 David Fletcher : >> With Hardy, you slide a window towards another window and the edges snap >> neatly together. That looks to me pretty much like they're claiming credit >> for in windoze 7. Just seems like a damned cheek to me. >> >> Just tried it with Karmic. It behaves the same way. > and this too has been in KDE for ages -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you were now click on the 'minus sign' it would un-install the package. brian( not uncle Bob) From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 20:34:15 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:34:15 -0400 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... Message-ID: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but it keeps popping up via updates. Once in for all times, how to get RID of this POS? Why not keep it in beta mode for people to install if they wish to tinker with it, until all the bugs are worked out?? Meanwhile, it's upsetting my apple cart. :) Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 20:37:09 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1256503029.8043.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:30 -0400, Martin Laberge wrote: > On Saturday 24 October 2009 04:28:14 O. Sinclair wrote: > > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > > attended to even if they are serious. > > > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. > > > > Sinclair > > > > It is not Kubuntu who have problems, > this is Kde4 who have problems. > > Keep using Hardy-Kde-3.5.10 and keep having > a perfectly working system. > > Even today, 3 *buntu releases later, the hardy release > of kubuntu, stands the better system of all times. (for me) > > So i stayed with a perfect system, my kubuntu-8.04 > and I dont miss any of the whistles of the others versions. I wish I had stayed with hardy as well. Fighting with pulseaudio has gotten OLD. I miss some of the applications that worked perfectly with Hardy, like the nVidia installer. Ric From w.hamra1987 at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 20:36:52 2009 From: w.hamra1987 at gmail.com (Willy K. Hamra) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:36:52 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> <200910251155.16300.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250610i65d94250k81142551a71f70c1@mail.gmail.com> <4AE47ACF.4020305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE4B6E4.2030607@gmail.com> ck raju wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Willy K. Hamra wrote: > >> Bruno Bigras wrote: >>> There's indeed a feature that snap window borders to help positioning >>> without overlapping windows. >>> >> and this too has been in KDE for ages >> > Reminds me of a very interesting comment that came along the story of its > release in an Indian newspaper. That comment is at > http://www.indianexpress.com/news/microsoft-launches-windows-7/531798/ http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395400000458161906 all hail Linus :D -- Willy K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: w_hamra1987.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Oct 25 20:53:36 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:53:36 -0400 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910251653.36199.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Sunday 25 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: > I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but > it keeps popping up via updates. Once in for all times, how to get RID > of this POS? Why not keep it in beta mode for people to install if they > wish to tinker with it, until all the bugs are worked out?? Meanwhile, > it's upsetting my apple cart. :) Ric > I got rid of it.... and I am a better person for it. Using Alsa. From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Sun Oct 25 21:02:15 2009 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:02:15 +0100 Subject: Diagnostic tools for tracking down machine freeze Message-ID: <200910252202.16503.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> I've always had the odd freeze up on this new machine of mine, but mainly with some distros, like Archlinux for example. But now I'm getting frequent freezeups on Kubuntu Dapper, and Debian Etch was freezing up after about 5 mins. I've been running Dappers Memtest86+ v1.70 for over 10hrs now. 14 passes done with no errors, so the memory appears to be ok, and the machine hasn't locked up. This machine is on a KVM switch with another machine which is infrequently booted up. Are KVM switches known for creating such freezeups? Any suggestions as to diagnostic tools I could use to try and track down the problem? When Archlinux freezes up, and I do a hard reset, I have to run fsck because disk errors are seen, and one thing stands out. It says last write to disk was 2 hrs in the future. Would that be due to the hard reset? We were in CEST at the time which would be UTC +2, so the system time would be effectively 2hrs in the future compared to the hardware clock. Machine details below: Asus M2N-X Plus mobo. (Nvidia Geforce 61) AMD Athlon 64 processor (single core) (all OS's are 32bit) 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 memory (Memtest86+ says, 401MHz (DDR803) Asus EAX1550 Silent graphics card, with 512MB DDR2. PCI-e 160GB sata harddrive 250GB sata harddrive Q-TEC 550W Dual Fan PSU. This is 20 pin plus 4 pin, and the mobo is 24 pin plus 4 pin. The mobo manual does mention that if you use a PSU with 20 pins, ensure that the 20 pin connector can supply at least 15A for +12v, and has a minimum power rating of 300W. Not sure how I could verify if the 20 pin connector is capable of providing 15A on the +12v rail. The manual does say that the system may become unstable, or fail to boot if the power is inadequate. Any suggestions welcome. Nigel. From doc.evans at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 21:25:13 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:25:13 -0600 Subject: Diagnostic tools for tracking down machine freeze In-Reply-To: <200910252202.16503.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200910252202.16503.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <4AE4C239.4020501@gmail.com> Nigel Henry said the following at 10/25/2009 03:02 PM : > I've always had the odd freeze up on this new machine of mine, but mainly with > some distros, like Archlinux for example. But now I'm getting frequent > freezeups on Kubuntu Dapper, and Debian Etch was freezing up after about 5 > mins. > > I've been running Dappers Memtest86+ v1.70 for over 10hrs now. 14 passes done > with no errors, so the memory appears to be ok, and the machine hasn't locked > up. > > This machine is on a KVM switch with another machine which is infrequently > booted up. Are KVM switches known for creating such freezeups? > > Any suggestions as to diagnostic tools I could use to try and track down the > problem? Are you running lmsensors? If so, remove it and any modules it loads. It took me a year of intermittent freezes to figure out that that was the problem on one of my machines. I have used a KVM switch for years; I've never known it cause a freeze. (I have, though, occasionally fingered it as responsible for getting a system into such a confused state that I've ended up rebooting; I've learned now not to switch amongst my machines [I have four on the switch] when I'm booting or closing down one of them.) Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 22:48:29 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:48:29 +0200 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> > I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but > it keeps popping up via updates. Once in for all times, how to get RID > of this POS? Why not keep it in beta mode for people to install if they > wish to tinker with it, until all the bugs are worked out?? Meanwhile, > it's upsetting my apple cart. :) Ric > This was discussed on /. last week, let me dig it up... http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409057&cid=29791867 ןIf that doesn't help, then the rest of the thread is here: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409057 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Sun Oct 25 23:10:21 2009 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:10:21 +0100 Subject: Diagnostic tools for tracking down machine freeze In-Reply-To: <4AE4C239.4020501@gmail.com> References: <200910252202.16503.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <4AE4C239.4020501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910260010.21896.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Sunday 25 October 2009 22:25, D. R. Evans wrote: > Nigel Henry said the following at 10/25/2009 03:02 PM : > > I've always had the odd freeze up on this new machine of mine, but mainly > > with some distros, like Archlinux for example. But now I'm getting > > frequent freezeups on Kubuntu Dapper, and Debian Etch was freezing up > > after about 5 mins. > > > > I've been running Dappers Memtest86+ v1.70 for over 10hrs now. 14 passes > > done with no errors, so the memory appears to be ok, and the machine > > hasn't locked up. > > > > This machine is on a KVM switch with another machine which is > > infrequently booted up. Are KVM switches known for creating such > > freezeups? > > > > Any suggestions as to diagnostic tools I could use to try and track down > > the problem? > > Are you running lmsensors? It's only running on one of the distros on the machine (9 distros on it), so that I could see if Gkrellm would display the cpu temp. Just checked on Hardy, which hasn't frozen yet, and lmsensors is not installed. > > If so, remove it and any modules it loads. > > It took me a year of intermittent freezes to figure out that that was the > problem on one of my machines. I'll keep that in mind. > > I have used a KVM switch for years; I've never known it cause a freeze. (I > have, though, occasionally fingered it as responsible for getting a system > into such a confused state that I've ended up rebooting; I've learned now > not to switch amongst my machines [I have four on the switch] when I'm > booting or closing down one of them.) Thanks for the feedback on the KVM switch question. Could the problem be clock related. I ask because I checked the clock in the BIOS, and it was 2hrs ahead of UTC. I reset it to UTC, rebooted Hardy, and it showed the correct time of UTC +1 (CET) clocks changed last night in France to add to the confusion from CEST to CET. Just rebooted, and checked in the BIOS, and clock shows time being saved correctly as UTC. I think I'll have to check all the distros clocks on this machine, as I know one of them messes the time up, and when I boot up a different distro, it shows it 2 hrs ahead, until ntp sets it correctly. Darn. I've just noticed that Hardy has frozen up 3mins ago, and it had only been up and running for about 10mins. Weird eh. > > Doc Thanks for the suggestions. Nigel. From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 01:24:30 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:24:30 -0400 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <200910251653.36199.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910251653.36199.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <1256520270.8043.44.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 16:53 -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 25 October 2009, Ric Moore wrote: > > I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but > > it keeps popping up via updates. Once in for all times, how to get RID > > of this POS? Why not keep it in beta mode for people to install if they > > wish to tinker with it, until all the bugs are worked out?? Meanwhile, > > it's upsetting my apple cart. :) Ric > > > > I got rid of it.... and I am a better person for it. > > Using Alsa. I'm using Alsa, as pure and as pristine as I can manage it. BUT, if you try to remove libpulseXXX it'll remove your entire KDE desktop and even graphical apps. But, just within the last week, mplayer can't find alsa. Xine is working fine. I had everything working JUST LIKE I LIKE IT, and now it's blown up. This is what gets old. I would dearly love to see Pulseaudio be an "extra" and not a system depend. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 01:40:20 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:40:20 -0400 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1256521220.8043.49.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 00:48 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but > > it keeps popping up via updates. Once in for all times, how to get RID > > of this POS? Why not keep it in beta mode for people to install if they > > wish to tinker with it, until all the bugs are worked out?? Meanwhile, > > it's upsetting my apple cart. :) Ric > > > > This was discussed on /. last week, let me dig it up... > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409057&cid=29791867 > <ןIf that doesn't help, then the rest of the thread is here: > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409057 > Thanks Dotan! I've been using asoundconf-gtk for a long time. Then I saw mentioned on the devel-list that one file out of alsa-utils is no longer being included. Which happened to wreck asoundconf-gtk. It's a perfect teeny tiny little app that I could add to my toolbar and click to switch sound sources smooth as pie. It worked. So, to get it back, I installed the Intrepid version of alsa-utils and got it working again. Life was good! now it's broken again and I'm just about out of steam on this issue. I can't spend my life chasing this stuff down. If anyone has a copy of Caldera let me know. It was one of the happiest times of my life when it all just worked. Sorry to DUMP but I'm just weary. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 02:26:40 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:26:40 -0400 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 00:48 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but > > it keeps popping up via updates. Once in for all times, how to get RID > > of this POS? Why not keep it in beta mode for people to install if they > > wish to tinker with it, until all the bugs are worked out?? Meanwhile, > > it's upsetting my apple cart. :) Ric > > > > This was discussed on /. last week, let me dig it up... > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409057&cid=29791867 > <ןIf that doesn't help, then the rest of the thread is here: > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1409057 > > -- > Dotan Cohen THANK YOU! Dotan. At least I'm not alone. See, I am not a developer. Nor am I merely just a passive user. I'm trying to get a STABLE install on a "Proof-of-Concept" machine to put in front of DOC officials to introduce Linux to prisons. No software costs, older machines could be put to useful purpose and development of rehab programs could then proceed. Many inmates do not read/write well (if at all) and audio-video is a large part of our current development. That is, UNTIL THE AUDIO DIES or races away with the CPU when it should be doing a bunch of rendering. There's about 3 million people locked up that could really use good information to make good decisions with. My brain is elsewhere and resents being drug tooth and nail back to dinking with some alpha add-on that detracts from doing useful 'Good Work'. Envy-NG used to install my nVidia drivers so flawlessly that I used to rib my Fedora buddies about how they were stuck in the dark-ages. I ain't laughing at them any more either. I ain't a Newbie, I used to work for Bob Young at Red Hat, and I've been to a county fair. I had Linux installed before there was a Red Hat, from a stack of floppy disks. I do not want to see Kubuntu become another Fedora, where broken stuff is passed on to the users to beta-test. That is NOT Mark Shuttleworth's "Big Dream", from what I have read. I'm spending what should be an otherwise productive Sunday chasing down a fix for what worked last week. THAT is too much like Fedora, IMHO, which is why I installed Kubuntu. There really needs to be a way to make Pulseaudio an extra, not a system-wide depend. Ric From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 02:32:53 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:32:53 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: References: <757876.12720.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <880dece00910250014tbcb1210xc9028a41a8cdcfda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1256524373.8043.86.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 16:20 +0100, Knapp wrote: > Having read all these post, I have to say that the problem is with > Kubuntu. Kubuntu is an end user distro and it should work. Saying > Linux is always beta is totally wrong. Kubuntu has jumped the gun many > times with adding software that was not ready to be used and they > continue to do this. KDE3 should still be the default with KDE4 an > option. Do have to say that anyone that complains about wallpaper is > clueless though. > > AS for staying with 8.04? It is getting very long in the tooth. I see > this any time I try and use something new. For example Blender 2.5 > will not run because the openAL sound drivers are so old. I have run > into this, lib is to old problem, a lot. > > Kubuntu needs to be responsible and make a working system first and > then add bleeding edge stuff as options second. As I see it Kubuntu is > a pro distro with a reputation to keep up and they can't do that > making irresponsible decisions and could really hurt a users > productivity especially when the problems are known beforehand. > > -- > Douglas E Knapp Amen Douglas. I wish Pulse would be an 'option'. It's wrecking my day. :( Ric From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Oct 26 03:33:20 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:33:20 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <1256503029.8043.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <1256503029.8043.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910252333.20587.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:37:09 pm Ric Moore wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:30 -0400, Martin Laberge wrote: > > On Saturday 24 October 2009 04:28:14 O. Sinclair wrote: > > > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > > > > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > > > attended to even if they are serious. > > > > > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > > > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. > > > > > > Sinclair > > > > It is not Kubuntu who have problems, > > this is Kde4 who have problems. > > > > Keep using Hardy-Kde-3.5.10 and keep having > > a perfectly working system. > > > > Even today, 3 *buntu releases later, the hardy release > > of kubuntu, stands the better system of all times. (for me) > > > > So i stayed with a perfect system, my kubuntu-8.04 > > and I dont miss any of the whistles of the others versions. > > I wish I had stayed with hardy as well. Fighting with pulseaudio has > gotten OLD. I miss some of the applications that worked perfectly with > Hardy, like the nVidia installer. Ric > Pulseaudio is not installed in Kubuntu (though it seems to be easy to install indirectly by installing something else) clay From errol at tzora.co.il Mon Oct 26 03:56:44 2009 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:56:44 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <4AE47ACF.4020305@gmail.com> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> <200910251155.16300.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250610i65d94250k81142551a71f70c1@mail.gmail.com> <4AE47ACF.4020305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE51DFC.30806@tzora.co.il> Willy K. Hamra wrote: > Bruno Bigras wrote: > >> There's indeed a feature that snap window borders to help positioning >> without overlapping windows. >> >> But the new feature in Windows 7 is a bit more than that. If I'm >> right, it makes it easier to resize windows so they take half the >> screen or 100% of the screen by simply dragging the windows to the >> sides.. It looks useful when coding if you want your IDE in the left >> and documentation on the right. >> >> Check the two video that were in the bug report that Dotan's linked. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbsnbjkrWus >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS7a0xDwvlM >> >> 2009/10/25 David Fletcher : >> >>> With Hardy, you slide a window towards another window and the edges snap >>> neatly together. That looks to me pretty much like they're claiming credit >>> for in windoze 7. Just seems like a damned cheek to me. >>> >>> Just tried it with Karmic. It behaves the same way. >>> > and this too has been in KDE for ages > > I saw in one of the replies that kwin could be used to configure this. Could somebody please say what to do in kwin to enable this feature. thanks Errol -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigras.bruno at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 04:17:49 2009 From: bigras.bruno at gmail.com (Bruno Bigras) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:17:49 -0400 Subject: Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <4AE51DFC.30806@tzora.co.il> References: <200910232228.14851.dave@thefletchers.net> <200910240001.23519.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250110h3cd1b1a2iaa66ffce354a6f32@mail.gmail.com> <200910251155.16300.dave@thefletchers.net> <450fde4d0910250610i65d94250k81142551a71f70c1@mail.gmail.com> <4AE47ACF.4020305@gmail.com> <4AE51DFC.30806@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <450fde4d0910252117j7e7bd7c2w319cd56848aa97c0@mail.gmail.com> The thing which look like an implementation of the Windows snap thing is only available in the development version of KDE (trunk) but it should be in KDE 4.4 which will be released in February. The KDE feature that was mistaken for this is that when you move a window near another one the borders tend to snap to help preventing overlapping windows. It's not the super cool idea that make you want to take showers with your glasses on. If you are running KDE trunk and want to try the quick tiling thing, see the instructions at : http://www.inspircd.com/index.php?page=Main&action=Read&id=94 2009/10/25 Errol Sapir : > I saw in one of the replies that kwin could be used to configure this. Could > somebody please say what to do in kwin to enable this feature. From ck.thrissur at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 04:34:54 2009 From: ck.thrissur at gmail.com (ck raju) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:04:54 +0530 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910252333.20587.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <1256503029.8043.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910252333.20587.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Clay Weber wrote: Wouldn't it be better if we had nginx instead of apache as default webserver ? -- CK Raju -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kc8pdr at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 04:39:40 2009 From: kc8pdr at gmail.com (William Biggs) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:39:40 -0400 Subject: up date java Message-ID: <1256531980.7744.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> I try install a app it said my java was out of date I would like to know how to update it ? From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Mon Oct 26 05:34:23 2009 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:34:23 -0400 Subject: [OT] Is it "#!/bin/bash", "#! /bin/bash", or does it even matter? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910250232n47f00dfcg1c2ee72d71ef4b98@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910250232n47f00dfcg1c2ee72d71ef4b98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well it looks like I was worried about nothing then... Thanks folks! -- Joe From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 06:15:29 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:15:29 +0200 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <880dece00910252315q6f1821d6t19de48be5d9c24c0@mail.gmail.com> > Envy-NG used to install my nVidia drivers so flawlessly that I used to > rib my Fedora buddies about how they were stuck in the dark-ages. I > ain't laughing at them any more either. I ain't a Newbie, I used to work > for Bob Young at Red Hat, and I've been to a county fair. I had Linux > installed before there was a Red Hat, from a stack of floppy disks. I do > not want to see Kubuntu become another Fedora, where broken stuff is > passed on to the users to beta-test. That is NOT Mark Shuttleworth's > "Big Dream", from what I have read. I'm spending what should be an > otherwise productive Sunday chasing down a fix for what worked last > week. THAT is too much like Fedora, IMHO, which is why I installed > Kubuntu. There really needs to be a way to make Pulseaudio an extra, not > a system-wide depend. Ric > Oh, how I agree with this! Was-working-yesterday issues pushed me from Fedora to Kubuntu as well. Looks like it will be Debian next, or maybe even Arch if I get the nerve. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 07:24:22 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:24:22 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910252333.20587.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910240930.54747.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <1256503029.8043.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910252333.20587.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1256541862.7082.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 23:33 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: > On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:37:09 pm Ric Moore wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:30 -0400, Martin Laberge wrote: > > > On Saturday 24 October 2009 04:28:14 O. Sinclair wrote: > > > > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > > > > > > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not being > > > > attended to even if they are serious. > > > > > > > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > > > > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. > > > > > > > > Sinclair > > > > > > It is not Kubuntu who have problems, > > > this is Kde4 who have problems. > > > > > > Keep using Hardy-Kde-3.5.10 and keep having > > > a perfectly working system. > > > > > > Even today, 3 *buntu releases later, the hardy release > > > of kubuntu, stands the better system of all times. (for me) > > > > > > So i stayed with a perfect system, my kubuntu-8.04 > > > and I dont miss any of the whistles of the others versions. > > > > I wish I had stayed with hardy as well. Fighting with pulseaudio has > > gotten OLD. I miss some of the applications that worked perfectly with > > Hardy, like the nVidia installer. Ric > > > Pulseaudio is not installed in Kubuntu (though it seems to be easy to install > indirectly by installing something else) > > clay Something as dumb as installing Evolution, a gnome app, I expect. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 07:32:09 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:32:09 -0400 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <880dece00910252315q6f1821d6t19de48be5d9c24c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910252315q6f1821d6t19de48be5d9c24c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1256542329.7082.11.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 08:15 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Envy-NG used to install my nVidia drivers so flawlessly that I used to > > rib my Fedora buddies about how they were stuck in the dark-ages. I > > ain't laughing at them any more either. I ain't a Newbie, I used to work > > for Bob Young at Red Hat, and I've been to a county fair. I had Linux > > installed before there was a Red Hat, from a stack of floppy disks. I do > > not want to see Kubuntu become another Fedora, where broken stuff is > > passed on to the users to beta-test. That is NOT Mark Shuttleworth's > > "Big Dream", from what I have read. I'm spending what should be an > > otherwise productive Sunday chasing down a fix for what worked last > > week. THAT is too much like Fedora, IMHO, which is why I installed > > Kubuntu. There really needs to be a way to make Pulseaudio an extra, not > > a system-wide depend. Ric > > > > Oh, how I agree with this! Was-working-yesterday issues pushed me from > Fedora to Kubuntu as well. Looks like it will be Debian next, or maybe > even Arch if I get the nerve. > > -- > Dotan Cohen Heh, I remember the days when you, Gene and I both haunted the Fedora list and BEGGED them to just slow down a touch to let us just enjoy using our systems for useful things, but I finally got it through my thick skull that they were driven by forces larger than me, as a user. It was like getting a divorce to swing over to the .deb side. They just wouldn't listen. I think, from what I've read, that Mark doesn't want us to leave in disgust, suffering from broken systems with broken alpha/beta software and telling the world about it. This is not his dream. Not at all. -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From info at alvin.be Mon Oct 26 07:37:22 2009 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:37:22 +0100 Subject: up date java In-Reply-To: <1256531980.7744.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> References: <1256531980.7744.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> Message-ID: <200910260837.24087.info@alvin.be> On Monday 26 October 2009 05:39:40 William Biggs wrote: > I try install a app it said my java was out of date I would like to know > how to update it ? $ sudo aptitude install default-jre This will install the default JRE. It's not SUN, but will work fine in almost every situation. From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 07:42:59 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:42:59 -0400 Subject: Import of vCards fails In-Reply-To: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> References: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> Message-ID: <1256542979.7082.17.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 19:05 +0200, Steffen Krapp wrote: > Hello, > > I have a problem importing my old addressbook in kaddressbook. I'm using > kubuntu 9.10 for AMD64 with kaddressbook version 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6. If I try to > import something nothing happens, not even an message about the failing. Has > anybody the same problem and maybe a solution? > > Thanks > Steffen Luckily I keep backups of my home directory. I just went into the backup and cd 'd into /.kde/share/apps/ Then copy the entire kabc directory to your new home .kde/share/apps directory. That'll put it to rights. My beef with the vcard method is that it doesn't restore your "filters". I've got over 1,500 records and to loose all of the filter data is just to large a sin to condone. I'm royally jerked that my bug was closed, with the note that it would be fixed in the new release of KDE. I guess if I waited for that I would be out in the cold with all of my data to just go idly pound sand. X{ Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 08:12:08 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:12:08 -0400 Subject: up date java In-Reply-To: <200910260837.24087.info@alvin.be> References: <1256531980.7744.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910260837.24087.info@alvin.be> Message-ID: <1256544728.7082.62.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 08:37 +0100, Alvin wrote: > On Monday 26 October 2009 05:39:40 William Biggs wrote: > > I try install a app it said my java was out of date I would like to know > > how to update it ? > > $ sudo aptitude install default-jre > > This will install the default JRE. It's not SUN, but will work fine in almost > every situation. Never worked fine for me running high-end java applications such as Wonderland. Didn't work at all. Why install a broken almost ran java when you can just as easily install the real deal?? sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From barnaby at drofle.com Mon Oct 26 08:44:22 2009 From: barnaby at drofle.com (Neil Winchurst) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:44:22 +0000 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <880dece00910252315q6f1821d6t19de48be5d9c24c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910252315q6f1821d6t19de48be5d9c24c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE56166.3050703@drofle.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Envy-NG used to install my nVidia drivers so flawlessly that I used to >> rib my Fedora buddies about how they were stuck in the dark-ages. I >> ain't laughing at them any more either. I ain't a Newbie, I used to work >> for Bob Young at Red Hat, and I've been to a county fair. I had Linux >> installed before there was a Red Hat, from a stack of floppy disks. I do >> not want to see Kubuntu become another Fedora, where broken stuff is >> passed on to the users to beta-test. That is NOT Mark Shuttleworth's >> "Big Dream", from what I have read. I'm spending what should be an >> otherwise productive Sunday chasing down a fix for what worked last >> week. THAT is too much like Fedora, IMHO, which is why I installed >> Kubuntu. There really needs to be a way to make Pulseaudio an extra, not >> a system-wide depend. Ric >> > > Oh, how I agree with this! Was-working-yesterday issues pushed me from > Fedora to Kubuntu as well. Looks like it will be Debian next, or maybe > even Arch if I get the nerve. > Or even Mint Linux perhaps. Neil From dotancohen at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 09:12:24 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:12:24 +0200 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <1256542329.7082.11.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910252315q6f1821d6t19de48be5d9c24c0@mail.gmail.com> <1256542329.7082.11.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <880dece00910260212q67a39607tefbf08e040d0c2c0@mail.gmail.com> > Heh, I remember the days when you, Gene and I both haunted the Fedora > list and BEGGED them to just slow down a touch to let us just enjoy > using our systems for useful things, but I finally got it through my > thick skull that they were driven by forces larger than me, as a user. > It was like getting a divorce to swing over to the .deb side. They just > wouldn't listen. I think, from what I've read, that Mark doesn't want us > to leave in disgust, suffering from broken systems with broken > alpha/beta software and telling the world about it. This is not his > dream. Not at all. > I'm no journalist, but if we can come up with a few relevant questions I'll ask for an online interview: http://www.canonical.com/aboutus/contactus Questions such as: 1) Is Ubuntu a distro for testing new technologies (as in Fedora) or a stable distro for end users (as in Debian Stable)? 2) How is the balance between beta technologies and stable technologies decided? 3) Do the Ubuntu spinoffs (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu) share the same philosophy? 4) if (q1.answer==stable): Then why are technologies such as Pulse Audio, ***, and *** included in [k|x|ed]Ubuntu releases? 4) if (q1.answer==!stable): Do you not find a contradiction between this and Ubuntu's stated goal of overthrowing the currently leading desktop OS? Isn't a stable system that works out of the box a mandatory requirement for a desktop OS intended for mainstream non-technical users? What other questions should we ask on the subject? [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Mon Oct 26 09:32:56 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:32:56 +0000 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE56CC8.3090208@btinternet.com> I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but it keeps popping up via updates. Once in for all times, how to get RID of this POS? Why not keep it in beta mode for people to install if they wish to tinker with it, until all the bugs are worked out?? Meanwhile, it's upsetting my apple cart. :) Ric --- I hope the distro installs alsa and pulse audio because I use mplayer a lot, even though it has bugs - mplayer steals alsa and won't let any other app. use it! I get the same black bottom right pop-up every time I boot up which states the alsa driver does not work and the OS is defaulting to pulse audio. So on my machine(jaunty amd64) I have mplayer using alsa permanently, amarok and skype using pulse audio - I need both drivers. I might add that kplayer(front end to mplayer) bombs out to the crash handler every time I quit it. I have reported this to sourceforge but have heard nothing so far. brian From david at dmcentral.net Mon Oct 26 11:55:32 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:55:32 -0400 Subject: Diagnostic tools for tracking down machine freeze In-Reply-To: <200910260010.21896.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200910252202.16503.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <4AE4C239.4020501@gmail.com> <200910260010.21896.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <200910260755.32998.david@dmcentral.net> On Sunday 25 October 2009 19:10:21 Nigel Henry wrote: > On Sunday 25 October 2009 22:25, D. R. Evans wrote: > > Nigel Henry said the following at 10/25/2009 03:02 PM : > > > I've always had the odd freeze up on this new machine of mine, but > > > mainly with some distros, like Archlinux for example. But now I'm > > > getting frequent freezeups on Kubuntu Dapper, and Debian Etch was > > > freezing up after about 5 mins. > > > > > > I've been running Dappers Memtest86+ v1.70 for over 10hrs now. 14 > > > passes done with no errors, so the memory appears to be ok, and the > > > machine hasn't locked up. > > > > > > This machine is on a KVM switch with another machine which is > > > infrequently booted up. Are KVM switches known for creating such > > > freezeups? > > > > > > Any suggestions as to diagnostic tools I could use to try and track > > > down the problem? > > > > Are you running lmsensors? > > It's only running on one of the distros on the machine (9 distros on it), > so that I could see if Gkrellm would display the cpu temp. Just checked on > Hardy, which hasn't frozen yet, and lmsensors is not installed. > > > If so, remove it and any modules it loads. > > > > It took me a year of intermittent freezes to figure out that that was the > > problem on one of my machines. > > I'll keep that in mind. > > > I have used a KVM switch for years; I've never known it cause a freeze. > > (I have, though, occasionally fingered it as responsible for getting a > > system into such a confused state that I've ended up rebooting; I've > > learned now not to switch amongst my machines [I have four on the switch] > > when I'm booting or closing down one of them.) > > Thanks for the feedback on the KVM switch question. > > Could the problem be clock related. I ask because I checked the clock in > the BIOS, and it was 2hrs ahead of UTC. I reset it to UTC, rebooted Hardy, > and it showed the correct time of UTC +1 (CET) clocks changed last night in > France to add to the confusion from CEST to CET. Just rebooted, and checked > in the BIOS, and clock shows time being saved correctly as UTC. > > I think I'll have to check all the distros clocks on this machine, as I > know one of them messes the time up, and when I boot up a different distro, > it shows it 2 hrs ahead, until ntp sets it correctly. > > Darn. I've just noticed that Hardy has frozen up 3mins ago, and it had only > been up and running for about 10mins. Weird eh. Have you tried disabling visual effects and see if the problem persist? Blessings David M. From derek at pointerstop.ca Mon Oct 26 12:38:29 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:38:29 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <880dece00910240504uf9873a6q7367cc784784ba54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5rhgr6-hk4.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> ck raju wrote: > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> The author is complaining about KDE bugs, not Kubuntu bugs. While I >> agree that Canonical could do more to work around KDE issues, that >> > More correct statement. Regarding the views on LTS, I have a small doubt. > Does Canonical have any idea as to how many of its users carry on with an > LTS ? Most cases I have come across, keep moving with (experimental) beta > versions !! My _production_ machines don't use Beta versions - but they don't use LTS either. I upgrade them to current stable systems after I've been using them on my development system for a month or two. -- derek From bettini at dsi.unifi.it Mon Oct 26 13:29:15 2009 From: bettini at dsi.unifi.it (Lorenzo Bettini) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:29:15 +0100 Subject: suggestion for dock widget? Message-ID: Hi I'd like to use a dock widget (macos x like); any suggestion? I tried kooldock but it looks it's for KDE 3.5.x and indeed all the icons are broken. avan window navigator crashes continuously (and it's not possible to move it on the left, right, or top of the screen). Cairo dock can be moved, but I cannot seem to customize it (or run applications for it). thanks in advance Lorenzo -- Lorenzo Bettini, PhD in Computer Science, DI, Univ. Torino ICQ# lbetto, 16080134 (GNU/Linux User # 158233) HOME: http://www.lorenzobettini.it MUSIC: http://www.purplesucker.com http://www.myspace.com/supertrouperabba BLOGS: http://tronprog.blogspot.com http://longlivemusic.blogspot.com http://www.gnu.org/software/src-highlite http://www.gnu.org/software/gengetopt http://www.gnu.org/software/gengen http://doublecpp.sourceforge.net From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Oct 26 14:37:46 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:37:46 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <1256541862.7082.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910252333.20587.claydoh@midmaine.com> <1256541862.7082.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Monday 26 October 2009 03:24:22 am Ric Moore wrote: > On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 23:33 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Sunday 25 October 2009 04:37:09 pm Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:30 -0400, Martin Laberge wrote: > > > > On Saturday 24 October 2009 04:28:14 O. Sinclair wrote: > > > > > http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 > > > > > > > > > > Read - do you agree? To some extent I do, at least on bugs not > > > > > being attended to even if they are serious. > > > > > > > > > > And no, am not a coder so can not do much to assist there. And yes, > > > > > still with Kubuntu and doing what I can to spread it. > > > > > > > > > > Sinclair > > > > > > > > It is not Kubuntu who have problems, > > > > this is Kde4 who have problems. > > > > > > > > Keep using Hardy-Kde-3.5.10 and keep having > > > > a perfectly working system. > > > > > > > > Even today, 3 *buntu releases later, the hardy release > > > > of kubuntu, stands the better system of all times. (for me) > > > > > > > > So i stayed with a perfect system, my kubuntu-8.04 > > > > and I dont miss any of the whistles of the others versions. > > > > > > I wish I had stayed with hardy as well. Fighting with pulseaudio has > > > gotten OLD. I miss some of the applications that worked perfectly with > > > Hardy, like the nVidia installer. Ric > > > > Pulseaudio is not installed in Kubuntu (though it seems to be easy to > > install indirectly by installing something else) > > > > clay > > Something as dumb as installing Evolution, a gnome app, I expect. Ric > That's not a dumb thing to do. It *is* a Gnome app after all, so it needs Gnome things. Ubuntu decides what it's packages depend on, and that is why Evolution pulls in not only base Gnome things, it pulls in other gnome/Ubuntu specifics as well, like pulseaudio, among other things. I don't believe there is a simple way around this. It goes the other way as well; installing kontact in Ubuntu pulls in tons of extras, I am sure. A way to minimize this is to install packages with apt using the ''--no- install-recommends" flag. Even installing synaptic in Karmic pulls in a number of extra (and unneeded in KDE) stuff. I wonder if there is a way to specify this flag in apt's configuration somewhere, as well as what the consequences would be? clay From kassube at gmx.net Mon Oct 26 15:09:14 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:09:14 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <1256541862.7082.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200910261609.15148.kassube@gmx.net> Clay Weber wrote: > A way to minimize this is to install packages with apt using the > ''--no- install-recommends" flag. Even installing synaptic in Karmic > pulls in a number of extra (and unneeded in KDE) stuff. I wonder if > there is a way to specify this flag in apt's configuration somewhere, > as well as what the consequences would be? From : | set APT::Install-Recommends "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf. Be aware | that this may result in missing features in some programs. Nils From kc8pdr at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 16:38:51 2009 From: kc8pdr at gmail.com (William Biggs) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:38:51 -0400 Subject: no sound on web site's Message-ID: <1256575131.6437.3.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> When I try to watch a video on a web site there no audio . I would like to know how to fix it ? From mmtsales at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 17:06:42 2009 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:06:42 -0300 Subject: suggestion for dock widget? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200910261406.42815.mmtsales@gmail.com> Em Segunda-feira 26 Outubro 2009, Lorenzo Bettini escreveu: > Hi > > I'd like to use a dock widget (macos x like); any suggestion? > > I tried kooldock but it looks it's for KDE 3.5.x and indeed all the > icons are broken. avan window navigator crashes continuously (and > it's not possible to move it on the left, right, or top of the > screen). Cairo dock can be moved, but I cannot seem to customize it > (or run applications for it). > cairo-dock is very customizable, I use it here and have put in it every application I wanted to. My dock is also multi-level. The only thing I miss in it is the ability to add K Menu to it. How have you tried to customized it and in which way it did not work? []'s Marcelo From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 17:42:38 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:42:38 +0200 Subject: suggestion for dock widget? In-Reply-To: <200910261406.42815.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910261406.42815.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910261942.38351.gkourtev@gmail.com> On Monday 26 October 2009 19:06:42 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > Em Segunda-feira 26 Outubro 2009, Lorenzo Bettini escreveu: > > Hi > > > > I'd like to use a dock widget (macos x like); any suggestion? > > > > I tried kooldock but it looks it's for KDE 3.5.x and indeed all the > > icons are broken. avan window navigator crashes continuously (and > > it's not possible to move it on the left, right, or top of the > > screen). Cairo dock can be moved, but I cannot seem to customize it > > (or run applications for it). > > cairo-dock is very customizable, I use it here and have put in it every > application I wanted to. My dock is also multi-level. > The only thing I miss in it is the ability to add K Menu to it. > How have you tried to customized it and in which way it did not work? > > []'s > Marcelo > Might be a stupid question, but does the cairo-dock add just the dock, or also does many changes to the overall KDE look (i.e. after installing is doing irreversible changes)? gk From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Mon Oct 26 17:46:10 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:46:10 -0500 Subject: no sound on web site's In-Reply-To: <1256575131.6437.3.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> References: <1256575131.6437.3.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> Message-ID: <200910261246.10723.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> On Monday 26 October 2009 11:38:51 am William Biggs wrote: > When I try to watch a video on a web site there no audio . I would like > to know how to fix it ? > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hello, William -- 01 -- Do you have at least one audio speaker? 02 -- Are your speakers actually connected to the computer? 03 -- If they have a switch, is it turned "On"? 04 -- Have you (accidentally?) disabled audio on your browser? 05 -- Exactly what version of Kubuntu are you running? 06 -- What version of KDE are you using? 07 -- Exactly what browser (name and version) are you using? 08 -- What (if any) virtualization are you using? 09 -- Has the audio worked previously? If so, when (most recently)? 10 -- What hardware and-or software changes have you made? 11 -- Does other audio work on this system? I admit that some of these questions must seem rather elementary -- or even sarcastic. That is NOT my intent in asking them. I am trying to point out that you have given "us" virtually NO information from which to work intelligently -- so what else can be said constructively just yet? If you will supply reasonable and responsible information, I suspect that the real experts (and I am NOT one!) can spend their efforts on your problem MUCH more productively. Hope This helps!!! Bruce Mac Arthur From kc8pdr at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 17:58:59 2009 From: kc8pdr at gmail.com (William Biggs) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:58:59 -0400 Subject: no sound on web site's In-Reply-To: <200910261246.10723.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <1256575131.6437.3.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261246.10723.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <1256579939.11998.9.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> sorry I should gave more info yes I have speakers when I try to play any video in firefox or the browse that is installed in 9.04 kubuntu I get a cracking sound thought the speakers I do not know what ver of kde I have I new to kubuntu On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 12:46 -0500, Bruce MacArthur wrote: > On Monday 26 October 2009 11:38:51 am William Biggs wrote: > > When I try to watch a video on a web site there no audio . I would > like > > to know how to fix it ? > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > Hello, William -- > > 01 -- Do you have at least one audio speaker? > 02 -- Are your speakers actually connected to the computer? > 03 -- If they have a switch, is it turned "On"? > 04 -- Have you (accidentally?) disabled audio on your browser? > 05 -- Exactly what version of Kubuntu are you running? > 06 -- What version of KDE are you using? > 07 -- Exactly what browser (name and version) are you using? > 08 -- What (if any) virtualization are you using? > 09 -- Has the audio worked previously? If so, when (most recently)? > 10 -- What hardware and-or software changes have you made? > 11 -- Does other audio work on this system? > > I admit that some of these questions must seem rather elementary -- or > even sarcastic. That is NOT my intent in asking them. I am trying to > point out that you have given "us" virtually NO information from which > to work intelligently -- so what else can be said constructively just > yet? If you will supply reasonable and responsible information, I > suspect that the real experts (and I am NOT one!) can spend their efforts > on your problem MUCH more productively. Hope This helps!!! > > Bruce Mac Arthur > > From bmacasuru at fastmail.us Mon Oct 26 18:16:37 2009 From: bmacasuru at fastmail.us (Bruce MacArthur) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:16:37 -0500 Subject: no sound on web site's In-Reply-To: <1256579939.11998.9.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> References: <1256575131.6437.3.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261246.10723.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <1256579939.11998.9.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> Message-ID: <200910261316.37488.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Greetings -- It is "best practice" to respond in-line or to "bottom-post". I do so. On Monday 26 October 2009 12:58:59 pm William Biggs wrote: > sorry I should gave more info yes I have speakers This is obviously good. > when I try to play any > video in firefox What version? Can you cite a specific video example? > or the browse that is installed in 9.04 kubuntu Do you mean Konqueror? What version? > I get a > cracking sound thought the speakers Do you mean "through"? Does the "cracking sound" have any musical characteristics within it, or is it pure static? > I do not know what ver of kde I have This kind of thing is very important. Can you use "Help --> About KDE"? > I new to kubuntu I have only a very few months of Kubuntu experience myself -- WELCOME to the "family". Please see further comments below. > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 12:46 -0500, Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > On Monday 26 October 2009 11:38:51 am William Biggs wrote: > > > When I try to watch a video on a web site there no audio . I would > > like > > > to know how to fix it ? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > Hello, William -- > > > > 01 -- Do you have at least one audio speaker? > > 02 -- Are your speakers actually connected to the computer? > > 03 -- If they have a switch, is it turned "On"? Kids -- and even pets -- can goof-up things like these. Your report of "cracking sound" suggests that you are okay thus far. > > 04 -- Have you (accidentally?) disabled audio on your browser? Perhaps not -- with the "cracking sound" reported. > > 05 -- Exactly what version of Kubuntu are you running? Jaunty -- 9.04. Thank you. > > 06 -- What version of KDE are you using? > > 07 -- Exactly what browser (name and version) are you using? Firefox (version what?) and Konqueror(?) (version what?) > > 08 -- What (if any) virtualization are you using? Seemingly not. Correct me if I am in error. But are you dual-booting? What alternate Operating Systems are available to you? What happens with audio when using those? > > 09 -- Has the audio worked previously? If so, when (most recently)? > > 10 -- What hardware and-or software changes have you made? > > 11 -- Does other audio work on this system? The answers to these questions are VERY important. How long have you had Jaunty installed? Why do you hesitate to answer these? > > > > I admit that some of these questions must seem rather elementary -- or > > even sarcastic. That is NOT my intent in asking them. I am trying to > > point out that you have given "us" virtually NO information from which > > to work intelligently -- so what else can be said constructively just > > yet? If you will supply reasonable and responsible information, I > > suspect that the real experts (and I am NOT one!) can spend their efforts > > on your problem MUCH more productively. Hope This helps!!! > > > > Bruce Mac Arthur > > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Bruce Mac Arthur From mdhirsch at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 18:40:49 2009 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:40:49 -0600 Subject: Flashing the bios In-Reply-To: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <9c2aabaf0910261140w567e052egfb4c5f476cc6d466@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > Does anyone have experience flashing their bios to upgrade it?? Is this > a dicey proposition using Linux? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Ric Assuming you are talking about flashing your BIOS from within Linux, and not just flashing the BIOS of you Linux system using a DOS boot disk... I haven't done it in a while, but it can be done, depending support for your motherboard. At the time, about 7 years ago, there was a utility named, I think, flashbios, that could burn you a new BIOS from within a running Linux system. It was really handy cause there was no need to boot to a DOS sloppy, first. Flashing from Linux is possible cause Linux doesn't use the BIOS. Once it boot, you can remove the BIOS chip. I used to have a ZIF socked installed so that I could put new chips in and out without trouble. I would use my system to flash multiple chips for other folks to use. The tricky part is that flashbios needs to know about your motherboard and your BIOS chip. I also think that maybe I was sent a copy of the program from the MB manufacturer and it may not have been open source. Michael From pwhite at bluewin.ch Mon Oct 26 18:51:29 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:51:29 +0100 Subject: up date java In-Reply-To: <1256544728.7082.62.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1256531980.7744.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910260837.24087.info@alvin.be> <1256544728.7082.62.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910261951.29892.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Monday 26 October 2009 09:12:08 Ric Moore, vous avez écrit : > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 08:37 +0100, Alvin wrote: > > On Monday 26 October 2009 05:39:40 William Biggs wrote: > > > I try install a app it said my java was out of date I would like to > > > know how to update it ? > > > > $ sudo aptitude install default-jre > > > > This will install the default JRE. It's not SUN, but will work fine in > > almost every situation. > > Never worked fine for me running high-end java applications such as > Wonderland. Didn't work at all. Why install a broken almost ran java > when you can just as easily install the real deal?? > > sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre I second that. I had a terrible time to get java working with firefox on Hardy and Jaunty...you may look at the thread The whole thing is somewhat more elaborate than just " sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre", you have to put symlinks to java in FireFox folder, you will find details in the thread or on the net. For me the goal was to have display in a separate window, as it did on my old SuSe, either on Firefox or in Konkerror and I still can't explain why I found it so difficult (it now works for me on both Hardy and Jaunty). I hope things will be easier for you and I will try to follow this thread...but don't expect me to be very reactive cause I will soon take a week hollydays away from my computer. Cheers Perry -- BOFH excuse #276: U.S. Postal Service From kc8pdr at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 19:05:33 2009 From: kc8pdr at gmail.com (William Biggs) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:05:33 -0400 Subject: no sound on web site's In-Reply-To: <200910261316.37488.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <1256575131.6437.3.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261246.10723.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <1256579939.11998.9.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261316.37488.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <1256583933.14219.13.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 13:16 -0500, Bruce MacArthur wrote: > Greetings -- > > It is "best practice" to respond in-line or to "bottom-post". I do so. > > On Monday 26 October 2009 12:58:59 pm William Biggs wrote: > > sorry I should gave more info yes I have speakers > This is obviously good. > > > when I try to play any > > video in firefox > What version? Can you cite a specific video example? > > > or the browse that is installed in 9.04 kubuntu > Do you mean Konqueror? What version? > > > I get a > > cracking sound thought the speakers > Do you mean "through"? Does the "cracking sound" have any musical > characteristics within it, or is it pure static? > > > I do not know what ver of kde I have > This kind of thing is very important. Can you use "Help --> About KDE"? > > > I new to kubuntu > I have only a very few months of Kubuntu experience myself -- WELCOME to > the "family". Please see further comments below. > > > > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 12:46 -0500, Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > > On Monday 26 October 2009 11:38:51 am William Biggs wrote: > > > > When I try to watch a video on a web site there no audio . I would > > > like > > > > to know how to fix it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > Hello, William -- > > > > > > 01 -- Do you have at least one audio speaker? > > > 02 -- Are your speakers actually connected to the computer? > > > 03 -- If they have a switch, is it turned "On"? > Kids -- and even pets -- can goof-up things like these. Your report of > "cracking sound" suggests that you are okay thus far. > > > > 04 -- Have you (accidentally?) disabled audio on your browser? > Perhaps not -- with the "cracking sound" reported. > > > > 05 -- Exactly what version of Kubuntu are you running? > Jaunty -- 9.04. Thank you. > > > > 06 -- What version of KDE are you using? > > > 07 -- Exactly what browser (name and version) are you using? > Firefox (version what?) and Konqueror(?) (version what?) > > > > 08 -- What (if any) virtualization are you using? > Seemingly not. Correct me if I am in error. But are you dual-booting? > What alternate Operating Systems are available to you? What happens > with audio when using those? > > > > 09 -- Has the audio worked previously? If so, when (most recently)? > > > 10 -- What hardware and-or software changes have you made? > > > 11 -- Does other audio work on this system? > The answers to these questions are VERY important. How long have you > had Jaunty installed? Why do you hesitate to answer these? > > > > > > > I admit that some of these questions must seem rather elementary -- > or > > > even sarcastic. That is NOT my intent in asking them. I am trying > to > > > point out that you have given "us" virtually NO information from > which > > > to work intelligently -- so what else can be said constructively > just > > > yet? If you will supply reasonable and responsible information, I > > > suspect that the real experts (and I am NOT one!) can spend their > efforts > > > on your problem MUCH more productively. Hope This helps!!! > > > > > > Bruce Mac Arthur > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > Bruce Mac Arthur The firefox ver is 3.0.14 in firefox I have try youtube I have tryed alot other site's all the site are the same . I also have tryed konueror 4.2.2 and kde 4.2.2 . The sound works when I boot up the computer it just dose not work in browser I my not have the w64codes in right I can not found out how to install then . I can install then in ubuntu but I like kubuntu better but the video plays right no I have kubuntu installed buy it self dose that help or do you need more info ? From pwhite at bluewin.ch Mon Oct 26 19:12:43 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:12:43 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <1256541862.7082.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Monday 26 October 2009 15:37:46 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit : > On Monday 26 October 2009 03:24:22 am Ric Moore wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 23:33 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: [snip] > > Something as dumb as installing Evolution, a gnome app, I expect. Ric > >   > That's not a dumb thing to do. It *is* a Gnome app after all, so it needs > Gnome things. Ubuntu decides what it's packages depend on, and that is why > Evolution pulls in not only base Gnome things, it pulls in other > gnome/Ubuntu specifics as well, like pulseaudio, among other things. I > don't believe there is a simple way around this. It goes the other way as > well; installing kontact in Ubuntu pulls in tons of extras, I am sure. > > A way to minimize this is to install packages with apt using the ''--no- > install-recommends" flag. Even installing synaptic in Karmic pulls in a > number of extra (and unneeded in KDE) stuff. I wonder if there is a way to > specify this flag in apt's configuration somewhere, as well as what the > consequences would be? > > > clay A couple of years ago I installed next to my SuSe (and M$) a gnome Ubuntu, and seeing it was too different from what I was used to, I installed Kde, could boot in both, had cluttered (K)menus with same purpose apps from both origins, it caused me some uncertainties about which package manager to use (do they share the same data base?), but I survived and so did the systems (until a hardware crahs occured). So my question is: what is wrong in pulling some gnome stuff in Kubuntu? Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #70: nesting roaches shorted out the ether cable From pwhite at bluewin.ch Mon Oct 26 19:27:12 2009 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:27:12 +0100 Subject: Ot: Re: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910262027.12834.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Le Monday 26 October 2009 03:26:40 Ric Moore, vous avez écrit : > THANK YOU! Dotan. At least I'm not alone. See, I am not a developer. Nor > am I merely just a passive user. I'm trying to get a STABLE install on a > "Proof-of-Concept" machine to put in front of DOC officials to introduce > Linux to prisons. No software costs, older machines could be put to > useful purpose and development of rehab programs could then proceed. I really appreciate what you are trying to do, Ric. Prisons are, allas, not meant to help inmates out, only to take some sort of sylly and stupid revenge on them. I hope the work of some good people can help inmates to get out as better persons, not as worse like usual. Greetings Perry -- BOFH excuse #388: Bad user karma From kc8pdr at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 19:29:54 2009 From: kc8pdr at gmail.com (William Biggs) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:29:54 -0400 Subject: no sound on web site's In-Reply-To: <200910261316.37488.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> References: <1256575131.6437.3.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261246.10723.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <1256579939.11998.9.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261316.37488.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <1256585394.4261.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 13:16 -0500, Bruce MacArthur wrote: > Greetings -- > > It is "best practice" to respond in-line or to "bottom-post". I do so. > > On Monday 26 October 2009 12:58:59 pm William Biggs wrote: > > sorry I should gave more info yes I have speakers > This is obviously good. > > > when I try to play any > > video in firefox > What version? Can you cite a specific video example? > > > or the browse that is installed in 9.04 kubuntu > Do you mean Konqueror? What version? > > > I get a > > cracking sound thought the speakers > Do you mean "through"? Does the "cracking sound" have any musical > characteristics within it, or is it pure static? > > > I do not know what ver of kde I have > This kind of thing is very important. Can you use "Help --> About KDE"? > > > I new to kubuntu > I have only a very few months of Kubuntu experience myself -- WELCOME to > the "family". Please see further comments below. > > > > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 12:46 -0500, Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > > On Monday 26 October 2009 11:38:51 am William Biggs wrote: > > > > When I try to watch a video on a web site there no audio . I would > > > like > > > > to know how to fix it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > Hello, William -- > > > > > > 01 -- Do you have at least one audio speaker? > > > 02 -- Are your speakers actually connected to the computer? > > > 03 -- If they have a switch, is it turned "On"? > Kids -- and even pets -- can goof-up things like these. Your report of > "cracking sound" suggests that you are okay thus far. > > > > 04 -- Have you (accidentally?) disabled audio on your browser? > Perhaps not -- with the "cracking sound" reported. > > > > 05 -- Exactly what version of Kubuntu are you running? > Jaunty -- 9.04. Thank you. > > > > 06 -- What version of KDE are you using? > > > 07 -- Exactly what browser (name and version) are you using? > Firefox (version what?) and Konqueror(?) (version what?) > > > > 08 -- What (if any) virtualization are you using? > Seemingly not. Correct me if I am in error. But are you dual-booting? > What alternate Operating Systems are available to you? What happens > with audio when using those? > > > > 09 -- Has the audio worked previously? If so, when (most recently)? > > > 10 -- What hardware and-or software changes have you made? > > > 11 -- Does other audio work on this system? > The answers to these questions are VERY important. How long have you > had Jaunty installed? Why do you hesitate to answer these? > > > > > > > I admit that some of these questions must seem rather elementary -- > or > > > even sarcastic. That is NOT my intent in asking them. I am trying > to > > > point out that you have given "us" virtually NO information from > which > > > to work intelligently -- so what else can be said constructively > just > > > yet? If you will supply reasonable and responsible information, I > > > suspect that the real experts (and I am NOT one!) can spend their > efforts > > > on your problem MUCH more productively. Hope This helps!!! > > > > > > Bruce Mac Arthur > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > Bruce Mac Arthur I just played a mp3 no audio where and how do I install the w64codes for kubuntu I can not find them ? From bigras.bruno at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 19:43:38 2009 From: bigras.bruno at gmail.com (Bruno Bigras) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:43:38 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <1256541862.7082.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <450fde4d0910261243h708cbfb5pbfcd7983e2eea2d6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/26 Perry : > So my question is: what is wrong in pulling some gnome stuff in Kubuntu? I'm not sure how it is now with qtcurve but GTK apps used to looks like shit in KDE. Also some people want the least gtk libs as possible. From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 26 19:46:47 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:46:47 +0000 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <4AE56CC8.3090208@btinternet.com> References: <4AE56CC8.3090208@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <200910261946.47960.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Monday 26 Oct 2009 09:32:56 Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but > .... > until all the bugs are worked out?? Yeah, like that'll ever happen.. FWIW I really love Pulseaudio but recently it's been just awful. But I have to say that in other distros it works very well. I don't mean to have a go at Ubuntu's audio guys - a lot of the problems with Pulse in Ubuntu arise from the bizarre kernel configuration that Ubuntu seems to use. (250Hz timers when it should be 1000Hz, no pre-empt, etc). I build my own kernels and Pulseaudio works extremely well for me.. except in Jaunty, the version they include there is simply a broken version. KDE doesn't play all that well with it either, but that is Phonon's fault. Kubuntu is also not configured very well for pulse, you need to give it realtime permissions which you can do using the Policykit entry in the KDE System Settings. Why this isn't enabled by default I will never know. I'm sure pulseaudio is not installed by default in Kubuntu. It can however get pulled in as a dependency if you choose to install certain gnome apps. Having libpulse installed on its own will not make pulseaudio start. You are only running pulseaudio if you install the 'pulseaudio' package'. If you have this installed and you really don't want it to start, just remove /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio. Or modify it so it doesn't get re-installed on a future update. >I get the same black bottom right pop-up every time > I boot up which states the alsa driver does not work and the OS is > defaulting to pulse audio. That'll be because Pulseaudio has stolen the alsa driver. You either need to have everything using pulse or nothing using pulse. Mplayer can use it too - you need to configure your .asoundrc file to default to pulse, and then every native alsa application can play via pulseaudio - including Mplayer and Flash. See the pulseaudio website for more details. Again, this is something that really ought to happen by default, as it does in several other distros where pulseaudio is much better integrated. Mark > So on my machine(jaunty amd64) I have mplayer > using alsa permanently, amarok and skype using pulse audio - I need > both drivers. > I might add that kplayer(front end to mplayer) bombs out to the crash > handler every time I quit it. > I have reported this to sourceforge but have heard nothing so far. > brian > > > > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Oct 26 19:50:22 2009 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Erin Walsh) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:50:22 -0500 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <1256541862.7082.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <4AE5FD7E.3020005@swbell.net> Perry wrote: > Le Monday 26 October 2009 15:37:46 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit : > >> On Monday 26 October 2009 03:24:22 am Ric Moore wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 23:33 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: >>> > [snip] > >>> Something as dumb as installing Evolution, a gnome app, I expect. Ric >>> >> >> That's not a dumb thing to do. It *is* a Gnome app after all, so it needs >> Gnome things. Ubuntu decides what it's packages depend on, and that is why >> Evolution pulls in not only base Gnome things, it pulls in other >> gnome/Ubuntu specifics as well, like pulseaudio, among other things. I >> don't believe there is a simple way around this. It goes the other way as >> well; installing kontact in Ubuntu pulls in tons of extras, I am sure. >> >> A way to minimize this is to install packages with apt using the ''--no- >> install-recommends" flag. Even installing synaptic in Karmic pulls in a >> number of extra (and unneeded in KDE) stuff. I wonder if there is a way to >> specify this flag in apt's configuration somewhere, as well as what the >> consequences would be? >> >> >> clay >> > A couple of years ago I installed next to my SuSe (and M$) a gnome Ubuntu, and > seeing it was too different from what I was used to, I installed Kde, could > boot in both, had cluttered (K)menus with same purpose apps from both > origins, it caused me some uncertainties about which package manager to use > (do they share the same data base?), but I survived and so did the systems > (until a hardware crahs occured). > > So my question is: what is wrong in pulling some gnome stuff in Kubuntu? > > Greetings Perry > > Some people are "purists". They don't want anything that isn't KDE on their machine. Nothing particularly wrong with this idea. It's just how it is. Sometimes some crossover aps can cause a problem. Usually not fatal but annoying. Personally, I install KDE but add a few things that I like from Gnome that I like better than what's in KDE. Yeah, it drags in some dependencies but I'm willing to live with that. It's a personal choice sort of thing. -- Treat all stressful situations like a dog does. If you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away Sent with Thunderbird on my Kubuntu Linux Desktop From pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org Mon Oct 26 19:56:20 2009 From: pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org (Pastor JW) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:56:20 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910261256.20273.pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> On Monday 26 October 2009 12:12:43 pm Perry wrote: > Le Monday 26 October 2009 15:37:46 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit : > > On Monday 26 October 2009 03:24:22 am Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 23:33 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Something as dumb as installing Evolution, a gnome app, I expect. Ric > > > >   > > That's not a dumb thing to do. It *is* a Gnome app after all, so it needs > > Gnome things. Ubuntu decides what it's packages depend on, and that is > > why Evolution pulls in not only base Gnome things, it pulls in other > > gnome/Ubuntu specifics as well, like pulseaudio, among other things. I > > don't believe there is a simple way around this. It goes the other way as > > well; installing kontact in Ubuntu pulls in tons of extras, I am sure. > > > > A way to minimize this is to install packages with apt using the ''--no- > > install-recommends" flag. Even installing synaptic in Karmic pulls in a > > number of extra (and unneeded in KDE) stuff. I wonder if there is a way > > to specify this flag in apt's configuration somewhere, as well as what > > the consequences would be? > > > > > > clay > > A couple of years ago I installed next to my SuSe (and M$) a gnome Ubuntu, > and seeing it was too different from what I was used to, I installed Kde, > could boot in both, had cluttered (K)menus with same purpose apps from both > origins, it caused me some uncertainties about which package manager to use > (do they share the same data base?), but I survived and so did the systems > (until a hardware crahs occured). > > So my question is: what is wrong in pulling some gnome stuff in Kubuntu? You get Pulseaudio. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW <   PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org _Registered Kubuntu User: #27403 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From claydoh at midmaine.com Mon Oct 26 20:35:57 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:35:57 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <1256541862.7082.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <4AE6082D.2080408@midmaine.com> Perry wrote: > Le Monday 26 October 2009 15:37:46 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit : > >> On Monday 26 October 2009 03:24:22 am Ric Moore wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 23:33 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: >>> > [snip] > >>> Something as dumb as installing Evolution, a gnome app, I expect. Ric >>> >> >> That's not a dumb thing to do. It *is* a Gnome app after all, so it needs >> Gnome things. Ubuntu decides what it's packages depend on, and that is why >> Evolution pulls in not only base Gnome things, it pulls in other >> gnome/Ubuntu specifics as well, like pulseaudio, among other things. I >> don't believe there is a simple way around this. It goes the other way as >> well; installing kontact in Ubuntu pulls in tons of extras, I am sure. >> >> A way to minimize this is to install packages with apt using the ''--no- >> install-recommends" flag. Even installing synaptic in Karmic pulls in a >> number of extra (and unneeded in KDE) stuff. I wonder if there is a way to >> specify this flag in apt's configuration somewhere, as well as what the >> consequences would be? >> >> >> clay >> > A couple of years ago I installed next to my SuSe (and M$) a gnome Ubuntu, and > seeing it was too different from what I was used to, I installed Kde, could > boot in both, had cluttered (K)menus with same purpose apps from both > origins, it caused me some uncertainties about which package manager to use > (do they share the same data base?), but I survived and so did the systems > (until a hardware crahs occured). > > So my question is: what is wrong in pulling some gnome stuff in Kubuntu? > > Greetings Perry > > It's about how much *extra* is installed along with the basic needs . At one time simply installing Firefox pulled in approx 100mb of (mostly unnecessary in KDE) Gnome bits when installed on a Kubuntu system. It is because by default Ubuntu installs not just the bare requirements by default, it also install so-called 'recommends" by default. This is why you get pulseaudio when installing some gnome apps. It's not a bad thing per se, but it can cause some complications at times. clay From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 26 20:42:40 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:42:40 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910261037.46962.claydoh@midmaine.com> <200910262012.43311.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <200910262042.40303.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Monday 26 Oct 2009 19:12:43 Perry wrote: > Le Monday 26 October 2009 15:37:46 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit : > > On Monday 26 October 2009 03:24:22 am Ric Moore wrote: > > > On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 23:33 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: > [snip] > > > Something as dumb as installing Evolution, a gnome app, I expect. Ric > > > > > > That's not a dumb thing to do. It *is* a Gnome app after all, so it needs > > Gnome things. Ubuntu decides what it's packages depend on, and that is why > > Evolution pulls in not only base Gnome things, it pulls in other > > gnome/Ubuntu specifics as well, like pulseaudio, among other things. I > > don't believe there is a simple way around this. It goes the other way as > > well; installing kontact in Ubuntu pulls in tons of extras, I am sure. > > > > A way to minimize this is to install packages with apt using the ''--no- > > install-recommends" flag. Even installing synaptic in Karmic pulls in a > > number of extra (and unneeded in KDE) stuff. I wonder if there is a way to > > specify this flag in apt's configuration somewhere, as well as what the > > consequences would be? > > > > > > clay > A couple of years ago I installed next to my SuSe (and M$) a gnome Ubuntu, and > seeing it was too different from what I was used to, I installed Kde, could > boot in both, had cluttered (K)menus with same purpose apps from both > origins, it caused me some uncertainties about which package manager to use > (do they share the same data base?), but I survived and so did the systems > (until a hardware crahs occured). > > So my question is: what is wrong in pulling some gnome stuff in Kubuntu? What? Pollute my beautiful pristine KDE with GTK libraries??! The very thought makes me shudder :-) One of the things I like about Kubuntu is that I haven't had to install a single Gnome app* or anything that pulls in GTK dependencies. The Kubuntu team do a grand job of KDE-ifiying the system. I just like it that way. Especially on systems with small amounts of RAM, it makes a difference. Kubuntu runs (just) on an ancient 256MB machine. Some other KDE distros don't (or at least, they start to swap when I open the menu, which is as good as don't). * Firefox excepted of course, but that's not really a Gnome app, Mozilla just haven't seen the light yet :-) Mark > > Greetings Perry > > From david at dmcentral.net Mon Oct 26 21:51:06 2009 From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:51:06 -0400 Subject: no sound on web site's In-Reply-To: <1256585394.4261.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> References: <1256575131.6437.3.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261316.37488.bmacasuru@fastmail.us> <1256585394.4261.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> Message-ID: <200910261751.06100.david@dmcentral.net> On Monday 26 October 2009 15:29:54 William Biggs wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 13:16 -0500, Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > Greetings -- > > > > It is "best practice" to respond in-line or to "bottom-post". I do so. > > > > On Monday 26 October 2009 12:58:59 pm William Biggs wrote: > > > sorry I should gave more info yes I have speakers > > > > This is obviously good. > > > > > when I try to play any > > > video in firefox > > > > What version? Can you cite a specific video example? > > > > > or the browse that is installed in 9.04 kubuntu > > > > Do you mean Konqueror? What version? > > > > > I get a > > > cracking sound thought the speakers > > > > Do you mean "through"? Does the "cracking sound" have any musical > > characteristics within it, or is it pure static? > > > > > I do not know what ver of kde I have > > > > This kind of thing is very important. Can you use "Help --> About KDE"? > > > > > I new to kubuntu > > > > I have only a very few months of Kubuntu experience myself -- WELCOME to > > the "family". Please see further comments below. > > > > > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 12:46 -0500, Bruce MacArthur wrote: > > > > On Monday 26 October 2009 11:38:51 am William Biggs wrote: > > > > > When I try to watch a video on a web site there no audio . I would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to know how to fix it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > Hello, William -- > > > > > > > > 01 -- Do you have at least one audio speaker? > > > > 02 -- Are your speakers actually connected to the computer? > > > > 03 -- If they have a switch, is it turned "On"? > > > > Kids -- and even pets -- can goof-up things like these. Your report of > > "cracking sound" suggests that you are okay thus far. > > > > > > 04 -- Have you (accidentally?) disabled audio on your browser? > > > > Perhaps not -- with the "cracking sound" reported. > > > > > > 05 -- Exactly what version of Kubuntu are you running? > > > > Jaunty -- 9.04. Thank you. > > > > > > 06 -- What version of KDE are you using? > > > > 07 -- Exactly what browser (name and version) are you using? > > > > Firefox (version what?) and Konqueror(?) (version what?) > > > > > > 08 -- What (if any) virtualization are you using? > > > > Seemingly not. Correct me if I am in error. But are you dual-booting? > > What alternate Operating Systems are available to you? What happens > > with audio when using those? > > > > > > 09 -- Has the audio worked previously? If so, when (most recently)? > > > > 10 -- What hardware and-or software changes have you made? > > > > 11 -- Does other audio work on this system? > > > > The answers to these questions are VERY important. How long have you > > had Jaunty installed? Why do you hesitate to answer these? > > > > > > I admit that some of these questions must seem rather elementary -- > > > > or > > > > > > even sarcastic. That is NOT my intent in asking them. I am trying > > > > to > > > > > > point out that you have given "us" virtually NO information from > > > > which > > > > > > to work intelligently -- so what else can be said constructively > > > > just > > > > > > yet? If you will supply reasonable and responsible information, I > > > > suspect that the real experts (and I am NOT one!) can spend their > > > > efforts > > > > > > on your problem MUCH more productively. Hope This helps!!! > > > > > > > > Bruce Mac Arthur > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > Bruce Mac Arthur > > I just played a mp3 no audio where and how do I install the w64codes for > kubuntu I can not find them ? sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras Blessings David M. From guethling at googlemail.com Mon Oct 26 22:59:01 2009 From: guethling at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sascha_G=FCthling?=) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:59:01 -0400 Subject: suggestion for dock widget? In-Reply-To: <200910261942.38351.gkourtev@gmail.com> References: <200910261406.42815.mmtsales@gmail.com> <200910261942.38351.gkourtev@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8abf83c20910261559u2aae8d5ay202f2a93d1ceaf5e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > On Monday 26 October 2009 19:06:42 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > > Em Segunda-feira 26 Outubro 2009, Lorenzo Bettini escreveu: > > > Hi > > > > > > I'd like to use a dock widget (macos x like); any suggestion? > > > > > > I tried kooldock but it looks it's for KDE 3.5.x and indeed all the > > > icons are broken. avan window navigator crashes continuously (and > > > it's not possible to move it on the left, right, or top of the > > > screen). Cairo dock can be moved, but I cannot seem to customize it > > > (or run applications for it). > > > > cairo-dock is very customizable, I use it here and have put in it every > > application I wanted to. My dock is also multi-level. > > The only thing I miss in it is the ability to add K Menu to it. > > How have you tried to customized it and in which way it did not work? > > > > []'s > > Marcelo > > > > Might be a stupid question, but does the cairo-dock add just the dock, or > also > does many changes to the overall KDE look (i.e. after installing is doing > irreversible changes)? > gk > > -- > As far as I know it only installs the dock and does not make any changes to the desktop otherwise. It is highly customizable though. I just spent half a day till I had it fit my needs. But now I'm happy. Sascha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 26 20:44:18 2009 From: stevenvollom at sbcglobal.net (Steven Vollom) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:44:18 -0400 Subject: w64codecs In-Reply-To: <1256453321.14944.2.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> References: <1256453321.14944.2.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> Message-ID: <200910261644.18478.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:48:41 am William Biggs wrote: > I just installed kubuntu 9.04 I need to where to download the w64codecs > and how to install then ? Open a terminal and type in sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras; type in your password and sit back and let it happen. It should solve your need. Steven From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Oct 27 00:04:42 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:42 -0400 Subject: w64codecs In-Reply-To: <200910261644.18478.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> References: <1256453321.14944.2.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261644.18478.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4AE6391A.6010307@midmaine.com> Steven Vollom wrote: > On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:48:41 am William Biggs wrote: > >> I just installed kubuntu 9.04 I need to where to download the w64codecs >> and how to install then ? >> > Open a terminal and type in sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras; > type in your password and sit back and let it happen. It should solve your > need. > > Steven > > kubuntu-restricted-extras does *not* install w32codecs, or w64codecs. proper instructions were posted earlier :) clay From kc8pdr at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 00:09:08 2009 From: kc8pdr at gmail.com (William Biggs) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:09:08 -0400 Subject: w64codecs In-Reply-To: <4AE6391A.6010307@midmaine.com> References: <1256453321.14944.2.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> <200910261644.18478.stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net> <4AE6391A.6010307@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1256602148.3419.1.camel@kc8pdr-desktop> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 20:04 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: > Steven Vollom wrote: > > On Sunday 25 October 2009 02:48:41 am William Biggs wrote: > > > >> I just installed kubuntu 9.04 I need to where to download the w64codecs > >> and how to install then ? > >> > > Open a terminal and type in sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras; > > type in your password and sit back and let it happen. It should solve your > > need. > > > > Steven > > > > > kubuntu-restricted-extras does *not* install w32codecs, or w64codecs. > proper instructions were posted earlier :) > > clay I got it to install thank you for all your help and that all so fix my error on my no sound error From sgrace at pobox.com Tue Oct 27 00:11:08 2009 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steve Grace) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:11:08 -0700 Subject: Flashing the bios In-Reply-To: <9c2aabaf0910261140w567e052egfb4c5f476cc6d466@mail.gmail.com> References: <1255079876.29865.1.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <9c2aabaf0910261140w567e052egfb4c5f476cc6d466@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE63A9C.4070701@pobox.com> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Ric Moore wrote: >> Does anyone have experience flashing their bios to upgrade it?? Is this >> a dicey proposition using Linux? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Ric Earlier this year I needed to upgrade the BIOS for an Intel motherboard. Intel provided a couple of ways of doing this for non-Windows systems. One was a boot CD (which didn't work for me); the other way (which did work) was to put the update file on a CD and temporarily change a motherboard jumper. From wayward4now at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 02:08:41 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:08:41 -0400 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <4AE56CC8.3090208@btinternet.com> References: <4AE56CC8.3090208@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1256609321.4997.236.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 09:32 +0000, Brian Norman Wootton wrote: > I wish to rid my install of pulseaudio. I thought I had it licked, but > it keeps popping up via updates. Once in for all times, how to get RID > of this POS? Why not keep it in beta mode for people to install if they > wish to tinker with it, until all the bugs are worked out?? Meanwhile, > it's upsetting my apple cart. :) Ric > --- > > I hope the distro installs alsa and pulse audio because I use mplayer a > lot, even though it has bugs - mplayer steals alsa and won't let any > other app. use it! I get the same black bottom right pop-up every time > I boot up which states the alsa driver does not work and the OS is > defaulting to pulse audio. So on my machine(jaunty amd64) I have mplayer > using alsa permanently, amarok and skype using pulse audio - I need > both drivers. > I might add that kplayer(front end to mplayer) bombs out to the crash > handler every time I quit it. > I have reported this to sourceforge but have heard nothing so far. > brian I'm glad you mentioned that about mplayer. Explains why firefox would hog audio when using mozplugger. Thanx! Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 02:57:04 2009 From: juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:57:04 -0300 Subject: Import of vCards fails In-Reply-To: <200910251445.07217.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> <200910251445.07217.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Thomas Olsen wrote: > On 25/10-2009 13:42 Juan Marcelo Rodríguez > wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steffen Krapp >> >> wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I have a problem importing my old addressbook  in kaddressbook. I'm using >> > kubuntu 9.10 for AMD64 with kaddressbook version 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6. If I >> > try to import something nothing happens, not even an message about the >> > failing. Has anybody the same problem and maybe a solution? >> >> I had a similar issue with Kmail and also with Thunderbird running >> Kubuntu 9.04 64 bits on my laptop. >> >> I exported my contacts from gmail and google apps, in csv and vcard >> and I wasn't able to import them. > > It seems GMails import/export functions are a bit flaky. I tried to import > contacts exported from Kontact and GMail got several fields wrong. Yes, I wasn't able to put the contacts into Thunderbird nor Kmail. Any ideas?. Juan From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Tue Oct 27 03:35:17 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Christopher Chan) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:35:17 +0800 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> > We are already on the fourth KDE 4 cycle. The first two (4.0 and 4.1) > were not meant for end users. KDE 4.2 was, but it had a lot of rough > edges. KDE 4.3 really shines, but most KDE 3 users who strayed from > the default settings will find something missing. I find those missing > features and file feature requests on them. > > > Feature request. kiosktool for KDE4. Pronto. :-D From juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 03:40:58 2009 From: juanrodriguezmonti at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:40:58 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: > >> We are already on the fourth KDE 4 cycle. The first two (4.0 and 4.1) >> were not meant for end users. KDE 4.2 was, but it had a lot of rough >> edges. KDE 4.3 really shines, but most KDE 3 users who strayed from >> the default settings will find something missing. I find those missing >> features and file feature requests on them. >> >> >> > > Feature request. kiosktool for KDE4. Pronto. :-D A really ugly issue with Kubuntu/Kde is the Network Manager. At least with the latest iso's that I've tried. Best. Juan From tanghus at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 05:54:10 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:54:10 +0100 Subject: Import of vCards fails In-Reply-To: References: <200910241905.48225.mailinglists@steffenkrapp.de> <200910251445.07217.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910270654.10956.tanghus@gmail.com> On 27/10-2009 03:57 Juan Marcelo Rodríguez wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Thomas Olsen wrote: > > On 25/10-2009 13:42 Juan Marcelo Rodríguez > > > > wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Steffen Krapp > >> > >> wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > I have a problem importing my old addressbook in kaddressbook. I'm > >> > using kubuntu 9.10 for AMD64 with kaddressbook version > >> > 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6. If I try to import something nothing happens, not > >> > even an message about the failing. Has anybody the same problem and > >> > maybe a solution? > >> > >> I had a similar issue with Kmail and also with Thunderbird running > >> Kubuntu 9.04 64 bits on my laptop. > >> > >> I exported my contacts from gmail and google apps, in csv and vcard > >> and I wasn't able to import them. > > > > It seems GMails import/export functions are a bit flaky. I tried to > > import contacts exported from Kontact and GMail got several fields wrong. > > Yes, I wasn't able to put the contacts into Thunderbird nor Kmail. Any > ideas?. > > Juan > Try to ask the devs on https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-pim if there is a tool to validate vcard files. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 09:34:59 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:34:59 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> > Feature request. kiosktool for KDE4. Pronto. :-D > I just asked on the KDE list. Let's see what they say. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 09:36:19 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:36:19 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <880dece00910270236r4ed7e0c9rae35e9c79f4069c3@mail.gmail.com> > A really ugly issue with Kubuntu/Kde is the Network Manager. At least > with the latest iso's that I've tried. > This is probably the most critical bug in KDE 4 at the moment. I think it is fixed in Trunk and patched in Karmic. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Tue Oct 27 10:30:56 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:30:56 +0800 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Feature request. kiosktool for KDE4. Pronto. :-D >> >> > > I just asked on the KDE list. Let's see what they say. > > > I can almost hear a 'port it yourself' coming. :-D Have they got new blood to replace those that left? From bettini at dsi.unifi.it Tue Oct 27 10:47:14 2009 From: bettini at dsi.unifi.it (Lorenzo Bettini) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:47:14 +0100 Subject: suggestion for dock widget? In-Reply-To: <200910261406.42815.mmtsales@gmail.com> References: <200910261406.42815.mmtsales@gmail.com> Message-ID: Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: > Em Segunda-feira 26 Outubro 2009, Lorenzo Bettini escreveu: >> Hi >> >> I'd like to use a dock widget (macos x like); any suggestion? >> >> I tried kooldock but it looks it's for KDE 3.5.x and indeed all the >> icons are broken. avan window navigator crashes continuously (and >> it's not possible to move it on the left, right, or top of the >> screen). Cairo dock can be moved, but I cannot seem to customize it >> (or run applications for it). >> > > cairo-dock is very customizable, I use it here and have put in it every > application I wanted to. My dock is also multi-level. > The only thing I miss in it is the ability to add K Menu to it. > How have you tried to customized it and in which way it did not work? > For instance, I cannot seem to customize the "terminal" icon for kconsole: when clicking it, in only focuses on an existing kconsole instance and not run a new one (for the file manager instead it seems to work after setting it to run dolphin instead of nautilus)... are you using the one in the repo, or compiling it from sources? cheers Lorenzo -- Lorenzo Bettini, PhD in Computer Science, DI, Univ. Torino ICQ# lbetto, 16080134 (GNU/Linux User # 158233) HOME: http://www.lorenzobettini.it MUSIC: http://www.purplesucker.com http://www.myspace.com/supertrouperabba BLOGS: http://tronprog.blogspot.com http://longlivemusic.blogspot.com http://www.gnu.org/software/src-highlite http://www.gnu.org/software/gengetopt http://www.gnu.org/software/gengen http://doublecpp.sourceforge.net From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 10:50:46 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:50:46 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> >> I just asked on the KDE list. Let's see what they say. > > I can almost hear a 'port it yourself' coming. :-D > FOSS software: Step 1) Get involved! File a bug report! Step 2) The maintainer is busy, please file a patch! Step 3) The maintainer is gone, finish the application yourself! Credit goes to a prominent member of one of the KDE lists. > Have they got new blood to replace those that left? > Who left? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 10:59:05 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:59:05 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> Message-ID: <880dece00910270359h712f85f6kf48b7ad2a50116b5@mail.gmail.com> > I can almost hear a 'port it yourself' coming. :-D > It's implicit, not explicit this time! Here is the thread: """ > Will Kiosktool be available for KDE4? Is there an altternative that > one could use today? Thanks. I am not sure but I think that at least at this moment there is nobody working on it. I heard it mentioned several times and people agree that it is an important tool, however nobody so far has had the time to actually do something about it (former maintainer busy with non-KDE work, current KDE contributors busy with their usual KDE work, no new developer interested in or aware of the application). I am pretty sure that at some point there will be a KDE4 version or an equivalent since Kiosk is still part of the framework. My guess is that using the KDE3 variant should still work but I don't have any hard facts on that. """ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Tue Oct 27 11:12:24 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:12:24 +0800 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE6D598.7010603@bradbury.edu.hk> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> I just asked on the KDE list. Let's see what they say. >>> >> I can almost hear a 'port it yourself' coming. :-D >> >> > > FOSS software: > Step 1) Get involved! File a bug report! > Step 2) The maintainer is busy, please file a patch! > Step 3) The maintainer is gone, finish the application yourself! > > Credit goes to a prominent member of one of the KDE lists. > > > :-) >> Have they got new blood to replace those that left? >> >> > > Who left? > > > Some developers that were involved in KDE3...like the kiosktool guy... From Brian.Meg at btinternet.com Tue Oct 27 11:19:34 2009 From: Brian.Meg at btinternet.com (Brian Norman Wootton) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:19:34 +0000 Subject: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE6D746.8020103@btinternet.com> > > >I get the same black bottom right pop-up every time > > I boot up which states the alsa driver does not work and the OS is > > defaulting to pulse audio. > That'll be because Pulseaudio has stolen the alsa driver. You either need to have everything using pulse or nothing using pulse. Mplayer can use it too - you need to configure your .asoundrc file to default to pulse, and then every native alsa application can play via pulseaudio - including Mplayer and Flash. See the pulseaudio website for more details. Again, this is something that really ought to happen by default, as it does in several other distros where pulseaudio is much better integrated. Mark -------- I don't know anywhere near enough to discuss this, but my machine goes ding-dong when I test HDA Nvidia and when I test PulseAudio so I'm not about to change anything. Having fiddled about somewhat in the past until I've got sound for videos, music, classicfm, radio3, bbc iplayer and any firefox web flash stuff - so I'm leaving well alone. I'll see what karmic koala does for me next week maybe. brian From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Oct 27 12:44:42 2009 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:44:42 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> Dotan Cohen wrote: > FOSS software: > Step 1) Get involved! File a bug report! > Step 2) The maintainer is busy, please file a patch! > Step 3) The maintainer is gone, finish the application yourself! > Credit goes to a prominent member of one of the KDE lists. Steps 2 and 3 always bugged me, always. Because it is more like 1: Get involved! file a bug report! 1.1: Realize the software is written in a language you don't know. 1.2: Try to learn language and realize you can barely wrap your head around it. 1.3: Once you get "hello world" to work then realize you not only have to get proficient in the language but... 1.4: ...learn about 2 dozen libs just to get anything done. 1.5: Throw your hands up in frustration before ever getting to... 2: The maintainer is busy, please file a patch! 2.1: ...much less getting to.... 3: The maintainer is gone, finish the application yourself! Personally if developers want more people to be involved they really need to skip out of the bastardization that is C++ and/or the systems level language that is C and move more towards application level languages like Python/Ruby/Perl (yes, the order shows my preference) where a large portion of the steps between 1 and 2 are simplified. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- From dotancohen at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 13:10:42 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:10:42 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <880dece00910270610p1a8eea1dk3959859e90d15f29@mail.gmail.com> >     Personally if developers want more people to be involved they really need > to skip out of the bastardization that is C++ and/or the systems level > language that is C and move more towards application level languages like > Python/Ruby/Perl (yes, the order shows my preference) where a large portion of > the steps between 1 and 2 are simplified. > I believe that is what Chan was referring to when he brought up "port it"! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Tue Oct 27 14:01:49 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:01:49 +0800 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910270610p1a8eea1dk3959859e90d15f29@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> <880dece00910270610p1a8eea1dk3959859e90d15f29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE6FD4D.1060007@bradbury.edu.hk> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Personally if developers want more people to be involved they really need >> to skip out of the bastardization that is C++ and/or the systems level >> language that is C and move more towards application level languages like >> Python/Ruby/Perl (yes, the order shows my preference) where a large portion of >> the steps between 1 and 2 are simplified. >> >> > > I believe that is what Chan was referring to when he brought up "port it"! > > Nay. 'Port it' is the KDE team's own words and it is true. kiosktool will not work with KDE4. If you could check the kiosktool mailing list, there was a post to that effect. If requires 'porting' to work with KDE4. Just like a lot of KDE3.x apps will need porting to work in KDE4 (minimum switching qt toolkit version) From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 14:06:45 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:06:45 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910270236r4ed7e0c9rae35e9c79f4069c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270236r4ed7e0c9rae35e9c79f4069c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE6FE75.4010507@gmail.com> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> A really ugly issue with Kubuntu/Kde is the Network Manager. At least >> with the latest iso's that I've tried. >> > > This is probably the most critical bug in KDE 4 at the moment. I think > it is fixed in Trunk and patched in Karmic. > > Karmic uses the NM-applet. I am yet to figure out if this is networkmanager-kde or not, it is a bit cryptical. It works but is very basic in such as that it does not recognize the type of encryption on wireless, as I understand it (can not test as I dont have) 3G mobile does not work etc. From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Oct 27 15:54:45 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:54:45 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE6FE75.4010507@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <880dece00910270236r4ed7e0c9rae35e9c79f4069c3@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6FE75.4010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910271154.45498.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:06:45 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> A really ugly issue with Kubuntu/Kde is the Network Manager. At least > >> with the latest iso's that I've tried. > > > > This is probably the most critical bug in KDE 4 at the moment. I think > > it is fixed in Trunk and patched in Karmic. > > Karmic uses the NM-applet. I am yet to figure out if this is > networkmanager-kde or not, it is a bit cryptical. It works but is very > basic in such as that it does not recognize the type of encryption on > wireless, as I understand it (can not test as I dont have) 3G mobile > does not work etc. > karmic uses plasma-widget-networkmanagement, not the gnome nm-applet. I am using it right now to connect to my password-protected, wpa2- encrypted wireless connection. Which is a significant improvement. But it still won't connect for me if the essid is hidden. Clay From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 27 15:37:08 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:37:08 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270236r4ed7e0c9rae35e9c79f4069c3@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6FE75.4010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4mgjr6-uj3.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> O. Sinclair wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> A really ugly issue with Kubuntu/Kde is the Network Manager. At least >>> with the latest iso's that I've tried. >>> >> >> This is probably the most critical bug in KDE 4 at the moment. I think >> it is fixed in Trunk and patched in Karmic. >> >> > Karmic uses the NM-applet. I am yet to figure out if this is > networkmanager-kde or not, it is a bit cryptical. No. nm-applet is a gnome front-end for NM (from the package network- manager-gnome) and is not installed in Kubuntu/karmic by default. network- manager-kde is one of two KDE front-ends (that I know of - there may be more). _My_ karmic is using plasma-widget-networkmanagement. -- derek From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 16:14:26 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:14:26 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> > Personally if developers want more people to be involved they really need > to skip out of the bastardization that is C++ and/or the systems level > language that is C and move more towards application level languages like > Python/Ruby/Perl (yes, the order shows my preference) where a large portion of > the steps between 1 and 2 are simplified. I sincerely hope this never ever happens ... Python/Ruby/Perl are not, and never will, be replacements for C/C++ IMHO (Guess this shows my preference too ...) Chris From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Oct 27 17:41:13 2009 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:41:13 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AE730B9.5030101@dmiyu.org> Chris Jones wrote: > I sincerely hope this never ever happens ... Python/Ruby/Perl are not, > and never will, be replacements for C/C++ IMHO Pft, for most cases Python does just fine. C/C++ can idle no faster than any other language. There's no excuse that applications be written in either a systems language (C) or a jack-of-all-trades, crappy-at-all language that is C++. None. At all. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 27 17:34:26 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:34:26 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2injr6-6r5.ln1@morgen.pointerstop.ca> Chris Jones wrote: >> Personally if developers want more people to be involved they really >> need >> to skip out of the bastardization that is C++ and/or the systems level >> language that is C and move more towards application level languages like >> Python/Ruby/Perl (yes, the order shows my preference) where a large >> portion of the steps between 1 and 2 are simplified. > > I sincerely hope this never ever happens ... Python/Ruby/Perl are not, > and never will, be replacements for C/C++ IMHO If we ever reach the point where CPU & IO speed increase faster than software bloat, perhaps it would make some sense. For now, it makes no sense for anything but user-interface level code to use interpreted languages. -- derek From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Tue Oct 27 18:21:12 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:21:12 +0100 Subject: notification area: update-notifier does show updates Message-ID: <200910271921.12497.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Hi, I have Karmic and wonder why update-notifier-kde is not in the notofication area and reminds me to update packages. The preferences do say it and if I login on tty1 there is also the information that there are updates. And, yes it is running;) TIA Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (o__ (O_ Albert Einstein: //\' //\ Few are those who see with their V_/_ V_/_ own eyes and feel with their own hearts. From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Oct 27 18:27:37 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:27:37 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE730B9.5030101@dmiyu.org> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE730B9.5030101@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:41:13 pm Steve Lamb wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > I sincerely hope this never ever happens ... Python/Ruby/Perl are not, > > and never will, be replacements for C/C++ IMHO > > Pft, for most cases Python does just fine. C/C++ can idle no faster > than any other language. There's no excuse that applications be written > in either a systems language (C) or a jack-of-all-trades, crappy-at-all > language that is C++. None. At all. > This may not be an issue in today's mega-ram, multicore systems, but what are the differences in resource usages between different languages? clay From myriam at kubuntu.org Tue Oct 27 18:31:25 2009 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:31:25 +0100 Subject: notification area: update-notifier does show updates In-Reply-To: <200910271921.12497.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> References: <200910271921.12497.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: Hi Martin, On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 19:21, Martin Bretschneider wrote: > Hi, > > I have Karmic and wonder why update-notifier-kde is not in the > notofication area and reminds me to update packages. The preferences do > say it and if I login on tty1 there is also the information that there > are updates. And, yes it is running;) It could be in the 'hidden' part of the systray. There is a small triangle on the left that allows you to expand the systray. Right click on it allows you to modify the settings. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From jonorland at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 18:39:12 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:39:12 +0100 Subject: notification area: update-notifier does show updates In-Reply-To: References: <200910271921.12497.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: 2009/10/27 Myriam Schweingruber : > Hi Martin, > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 19:21, Martin Bretschneider > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have Karmic and wonder why update-notifier-kde is not in the >> notofication area and reminds me to update packages. The preferences do >> say it and if I login on tty1 there is also the information that there >> are updates. And, yes it is running;) > > It could be in the 'hidden' part of the systray. There is a small > triangle on the left that allows you to expand the systray. Right > click on it allows you to modify the settings. > > > Regards, Myriam Hes right! I haven't seen it for some week and it's not hidden. I usually use aptitude so I haven't really thought about it. / Jonas From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Tue Oct 27 18:42:25 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:42:25 +0100 Subject: notification area: update-notifier does show updates In-Reply-To: References: <200910271921.12497.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: <200910271942.26138.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Am Dienstag 27 Oktober 2009 schrieb Myriam Schweingruber: > Hi Martin, > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 19:21, Martin Bretschneider > > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have Karmic and wonder why update-notifier-kde is not in the > > notofication area and reminds me to update packages. The > > preferences do say it and if I login on tty1 there is also the > > information that there are updates. And, yes it is running;) > > It could be in the 'hidden' part of the systray. There is a small > triangle on the left that allows you to expand the systray. Right > click on it allows you to modify the settings. No, it is not hidden. Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (o_ Albert Einstein: (o_ (o_ (o_ //\ Few are those who see with their (\)_(\)_(\)_V_/_ own eyes and feel with their own hearts. From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Tue Oct 27 18:49:21 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:49:21 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE730B9.5030101@dmiyu.org> <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> >> e that is C++. None. At all. >> > This may not be an issue in today's mega-ram, multicore systems, but > what are > the differences in resource usages between different languages? Interpreted languages like Python etc. will always be less efficient than compiled code. Yes, crappy C/C++ can be slower than well written Python, but if both are well written, C/C++ will always win. Chris From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 27 18:46:39 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:46:39 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE30FEB.5020804@bluewin.ch> <880dece00910240743j685a8c35p9a378da5cd2a4e12@mail.gmail.com> <200910241218.16692.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <880dece00910241151k53a6f2caicec0de5a7353c76b@mail.gmail.com> <4AE66A75.5000004@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270234q55bf0929n76ef0a305be793e6@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6CBE0.8060502@bradbury.edu.hk> <880dece00910270350k6805e8e8n64b41400ec401cdd@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6EB3A.5050709@dmiyu.org> <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE730B9.5030101@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: Steve Lamb wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: >> I sincerely hope this never ever happens ... Python/Ruby/Perl are not, >> and never will, be replacements for C/C++ IMHO > > Pft, for most cases Python does just fine. C/C++ can idle no faster > than any other language. That's true where it's idling - as I said for "user-interface" code. > There's no excuse that applications be written in > either a systems language (C) Except of course for all that stuff that _isn't_ UI code. > or a jack-of-all-trades, crappy-at-all > language that is C++. None. At all. Well, no, there never was a good reason for C++... -- derek From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Oct 27 19:37:33 2009 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:37:33 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE730B9.5030101@dmiyu.org> <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> Message-ID: <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> Chris Jones wrote: >> This may not be an issue in today's mega-ram, multicore systems, but >> what are >> the differences in resource usages between different languages? > Interpreted languages like Python etc. will always be less efficient > than compiled code. Yes, crappy C/C++ can be slower than well written > Python, but if both are well written, C/C++ will always win. But that isn't the point. He's right, in today's mega-ram, multicore systems there is little to no perceptible difference between compiled and interpreted. However, the difference in *developer time* is wildly different. If developers want more people to participate in development then they should fit the language to the sphere in which they are developing. That is why I said at the onset that these languages are perfectly suited for /applications/ and specifically stated that C/C++ idles no faster than an interpreted language. Give up less than a factor on run time and/or size to gain more than several magnitudes of individual developer time as well as developers? Yes please! -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From godshatter at yahoo.com Tue Oct 27 20:19:58 2009 From: godshatter at yahoo.com (Paul Rumelhart) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <665809.91513.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Take a look at the Computer Languages Benchmark Game: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ They run different programs written in a variety of languages on the same architecture and show the results. You almost always see C and C++ (with different compiler optimizations) at the top and scripted languages like Perl, Python, and Ruby at the bottom when measuring speed and resource usage. Occasionally, something like Haskell or Ada will do surprisingly well. Scripting languages have a different goal in mind, in my opinion, that makes them unsuitable for some types of programming. If it should be lean, mean, and if resource usage is important, they should be using C or C++ or something similar. In the data tables on the page referenced above, the difference is often minutes compared to a few seconds. If every application library and application front-end was written in a scripting language, our vast memory, CPU, and hard-disk resources wouldn't save us from a sluggish, unusable system. On the other hand, if it really is scripting that is being done, than writing it in C or C++ is way overkill and ease-of-development is far more important. When it comes down to it, a programming language is a tool. Use it where it makes sense. Paul --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Steve Lamb wrote: > From: Steve Lamb > Subject: Re: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 12:37 PM > Chris Jones wrote: > >> This may not be an issue in today's mega-ram, > multicore systems, but  > >> what are > >> the differences in resource usages between > different languages? > > > Interpreted languages like Python etc. will always be > less efficient  > > than compiled code. Yes, crappy C/C++ can be slower > than well written  > > Python, but if both are well written, C/C++ will > always win. > >     But that isn't the point.  He's right, > in today's mega-ram, multicore > systems there is little to no perceptible difference > between compiled and > interpreted.  However, the difference in *developer > time* is wildly different. > If developers want more people to participate in > development then they should > fit the language to the sphere in which they are > developing. > >     That is why I said at the onset that these > languages are perfectly suited > for /applications/ and specifically stated that C/C++ idles > no faster than an > interpreted language.  Give up less than a factor on > run time and/or size to > gain more than several magnitudes of individual developer > time as well as > developers?  Yes please! > -- >          Steve C. Lamb  >        | But who decides what they > dream? >        PGP Key: 8B6E99C5  >      |   And dream I > do... > -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 20:39:08 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:39:08 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910271154.45498.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <880dece00910270236r4ed7e0c9rae35e9c79f4069c3@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6FE75.4010507@gmail.com> <200910271154.45498.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4AE75A6C.5070400@gmail.com> Clay Weber wrote: > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:06:45 am O. Sinclair wrote: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >>>> A really ugly issue with Kubuntu/Kde is the Network Manager. At least >>>> with the latest iso's that I've tried. >>> This is probably the most critical bug in KDE 4 at the moment. I think >>> it is fixed in Trunk and patched in Karmic. >> Karmic uses the NM-applet. I am yet to figure out if this is >> networkmanager-kde or not, it is a bit cryptical. It works but is very >> basic in such as that it does not recognize the type of encryption on >> wireless, as I understand it (can not test as I dont have) 3G mobile >> does not work etc. >> > > karmic uses plasma-widget-networkmanagement, not the gnome nm-applet. > I am using it right now to connect to my password-protected, wpa2- > encrypted wireless connection. Which is a significant improvement. But it still > won't connect for me if the essid is hidden. > You are right and I am wrong, my bad assumption. However - if I connect to a wpa or whatever encrypted network I have to tell/know the encryption used. Which normally is not a problem for me but for "the what is encryption, just tell me the password"-user certainly it is. From grey at dmiyu.org Tue Oct 27 20:51:55 2009 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:51:55 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <665809.91513.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <665809.91513.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AE75D6B.8040006@dmiyu.org> Paul Rumelhart wrote: > Take a look at the Computer Languages Benchmark Game: > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ I am familiar with the shootout, thanks. More so than you, it seems. > They run different programs written in a variety of languages on the same > architecture and show the results. No, they run different test algorithms written in a variety of languages. > You almost always see C and C++ (with > different compiler optimizations) at the top and scripted languages like > Perl, Python, and Ruby at the bottom when measuring speed and resource > usage. Occasionally, something like Haskell or Ada will do surprisingly > well. And? I never refuted that. I also pointed out that programmer work declines dramatically as well. So move your eyes over to the third column and state what output there. > Scripting languages have a different goal in mind, in my opinion, that > makes them unsuitable for some types of programming. Agreed. Which is why I made the difference between system programming (C) and application programming (Python). > In the data tables on the page referenced above, the > difference is often minutes compared to a few seconds. Sometimes, not often. And again, these are algorithms and tests designed to exaggerate differences. > If every > application library and application front-end was written in a scripting > language, our vast memory, CPU, and hard-disk resources wouldn't save us > from a sluggish, unusable system. Which is never what I said. On the other hand there have been applications which were written in Python and compared to their C counterparts weren't all that harsh on the CPU or memory. Bittorrent clients come to mind. > When it comes down to it, a programming language is a tool. Use it where > it makes sense. Yes, now like I said, move your eyes over to the third column and see what the shootout shows. Some algorithms are 1/3rd the size of the C counterparts. Put that in perspective. A 60,000 line project in C would be 20,000 lines in Python. As I said, a factor or two more CPU/RAM usage (0.5% to 2.5%, 3mb to 12Mb, for example) to obtain several magnitudes of savings on the code side? Absolutely! You don't think these languages are up to the task. I do. You have the shootout on your side. I've got practical applications on mine. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Oct 27 21:38:42 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:38:42 -0400 Subject: [OT] was: Re: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE75D6B.8040006@dmiyu.org> References: <665809.91513.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AE75D6B.8040006@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200910271738.42270.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 04:51:55 pm Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Rumelhart wrote: > > Take a look at the Computer Languages Benchmark Game: > > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ > > I am familiar with the shootout, thanks. More so than you, it seems. > > > They run different programs written in a variety of languages on the same > > architecture and show the results. > > No, they run different test algorithms written in a variety of > languages. > > > You almost always see C and C++ (with > > different compiler optimizations) at the top and scripted languages like > > Perl, Python, and Ruby at the bottom when measuring speed and resource > > usage. Occasionally, something like Haskell or Ada will do surprisingly > > well. > > And? I never refuted that. I also pointed out that programmer work > declines dramatically as well. So move your eyes over to the third column > and state what output there. > > > Scripting languages have a different goal in mind, in my opinion, that > > makes them unsuitable for some types of programming. > > Agreed. Which is why I made the difference between system programming > (C) and application programming (Python). > > > In the data tables on the page referenced above, the > > difference is often minutes compared to a few seconds. > > Sometimes, not often. And again, these are algorithms and tests > designed to exaggerate differences. > > > If every > > application library and application front-end was written in a scripting > > language, our vast memory, CPU, and hard-disk resources wouldn't save us > > from a sluggish, unusable system. > > Which is never what I said. On the other hand there have been > applications which were written in Python and compared to their C > counterparts weren't all that harsh on the CPU or memory. Bittorrent > clients come to mind. > > > When it comes down to it, a programming language is a tool. Use it where > > it makes sense. > > Yes, now like I said, move your eyes over to the third column and see > what the shootout shows. Some algorithms are 1/3rd the size of the C > counterparts. Put that in perspective. A 60,000 line project in C would > be 20,000 lines in Python. As I said, a factor or two more CPU/RAM usage > (0.5% to 2.5%, 3mb to 12Mb, for example) to obtain several magnitudes of > savings on the code side? Absolutely! > > You don't think these languages are up to the task. I do. You have > the shootout on your side. I've got practical applications on mine. > I wasn't looking to start a fight on this question, and I don't think the responses are meant to inflame or refute, just compare. A more legitimate or useful question from me would be wondering why something large, such as Kontact (or Evolution for that matter) and all it's graphical components is written in a particular language (C or whatever) and not something else? And why make a big deal over it? For that matter, many of the Ubuntu/Kubuntu specific tools created *are* python usb-creator, Kubuntu's printer config applet, jockey are just a few of the ones I can think of. clay clay From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Tue Oct 27 21:58:52 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:58:52 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE730B9.5030101@dmiyu.org> <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: > > That is why I said at the onset that these languages are > perfectly suited > for /applications/ and specifically stated that C/C++ idles no > faster than an > interpreted language. Give up less than a factor on run time and/or > size to > gain more than several magnitudes of individual developer time as > well as > developers? Yes please! No thankyou ! If you seriously think giving up a factor of 10 in runtime performance is acceptable, well we have different ideas of what is acceptable... Also, in my experience its just as easy to write poor python (or just as hard to write good python) as it is C++/C, so I simply don't buy your argument switching to python would help at all. Chris From christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch Tue Oct 27 22:01:11 2009 From: christopher.rob.jones at cern.ch (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:01:11 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <665809.91513.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <665809.91513.qm@web37601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6FC07B88-EBAE-44CF-90C7-30EFDCD47266@cern.ch> On 27 Oct 2009, at 8:19pm, Paul Rumelhart wrote: > Take a look at the Computer Languages Benchmark Game: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ > > They run different programs written in a variety of languages on the > same architecture and show the results. You almost always see C and > C++ (with different compiler optimizations) at the top and scripted > languages like Perl, Python, and Ruby at the bottom when measuring > speed and resource usage. Occasionally, something like Haskell or > Ada will do surprisingly well. > > Scripting languages have a different goal in mind, in my opinion, > that makes them unsuitable for some types of programming. If it > should be lean, mean, and if resource usage is important, they > should be using C or C++ or something similar. In the data tables > on the page referenced above, the difference is often minutes > compared to a few seconds. If every application library and > application front-end was written in a scripting language, our vast > memory, CPU, and hard-disk resources wouldn't save us from a > sluggish, unusable system. On the other hand, if it really is > scripting that is being done, than writing it in C or C++ is way > overkill and ease-of-development is far more important. > > When it comes down to it, a programming language is a tool. Use it > where it makes sense. Well said. I agree 100%. Too much hype over scripting languages like python, if you ask me, and too many people trying to write applications with it that aren't appropriate. Chris From claydoh at midmaine.com Tue Oct 27 22:03:40 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:03:40 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE75A6C.5070400@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910271154.45498.claydoh@midmaine.com> <4AE75A6C.5070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910271803.40562.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 04:39:08 pm O. Sinclair wrote: > Clay Weber wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:06:45 am O. Sinclair wrote: > >> Dotan Cohen wrote: > >>>> A really ugly issue with Kubuntu/Kde is the Network Manager. At least > >>>> with the latest iso's that I've tried. > >>> > >>> This is probably the most critical bug in KDE 4 at the moment. I think > >>> it is fixed in Trunk and patched in Karmic. > >> > >> Karmic uses the NM-applet. I am yet to figure out if this is > >> networkmanager-kde or not, it is a bit cryptical. It works but is very > >> basic in such as that it does not recognize the type of encryption on > >> wireless, as I understand it (can not test as I dont have) 3G mobile > >> does not work etc. > > > > karmic uses plasma-widget-networkmanagement, not the gnome nm- applet. > > I am using it right now to connect to my password-protected, wpa2- > > encrypted wireless connection. Which is a significant improvement. But it > > still won't connect for me if the essid is hidden. > > You are right and I am wrong, my bad assumption. However - if I connect > to a wpa or whatever encrypted network I have to tell/know the > encryption used. Which normally is not a problem for me but for "the > what is encryption, just tell me the password"-user certainly it is. > Does wicd need this information as well? I can't remember, it's been a while since I have needed to use it. clay From mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 23:07:46 2009 From: mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com (Martin Laberge) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:07:46 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> Message-ID: <200910271907.46147.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 14:49:21 Chris Jones wrote: > >> e that is C++. None. At all. > >> > > This may not be an issue in today's mega-ram, multicore systems, but > > what are > > the differences in resource usages between different languages? > > Interpreted languages like Python etc. will always be less efficient > than compiled code. Yes, crappy C/C++ can be slower than well written > Python, but if both are well written, C/C++ will always win. > > Chris > > You have a good point here. A kernel would never be written in an interpreted language Some can be written in interpreted, but not all... -- Martin Laberge mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com *** 30 Years of Unix Admin, and now living *** From derek at pointerstop.ca Tue Oct 27 23:29:53 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:29:53 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE71C62.6040000@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE730B9.5030101@dmiyu.org> <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: Steve Lamb wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: >>> This may not be an issue in today's mega-ram, multicore systems, but >>> what are >>> the differences in resource usages between different languages? > >> Interpreted languages like Python etc. will always be less efficient >> than compiled code. Yes, crappy C/C++ can be slower than well written >> Python, but if both are well written, C/C++ will always win. > > But that isn't the point. He's right, in today's mega-ram, multicore > systems there is little to no perceptible difference between compiled and > interpreted. However, the difference in *developer time* is wildly > different. Bah. I do almost all of my work in Python these days, but I can't honestly say development time is any different for C or Python. > If developers want more people to participate in development then they > should fit the language to the sphere in which they are developing. That's silly. The language is whatever seemed best to the person who initiated the project. > That is why I said at the onset that these languages are perfectly > suited > for /applications/ and specifically stated that C/C++ idles no faster than > an > interpreted language. Give up less than a factor on run time and/or size > to gain more than several magnitudes of individual developer time as well > as developers? Yes please! Really, you aren't going to get any more developers just because you use Python. Give me a decent programmer who knows more than two languages (at least one procedural, and one OO), and I will happily put him to work on a project in a language he's never seen before. Languages are almost unimportant - attitude and methodology is everything. -- derek From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Oct 28 02:42:28 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:42:28 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> Message-ID: <200910272242.28097.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 27 October 2009, Chris Jones wrote: >>> e that is C++. None. At all. >> >> This may not be an issue in today's mega-ram, multicore systems, but >> what are >> the differences in resource usages between different languages? > >Interpreted languages like Python etc. will always be less efficient >than compiled code. Yes, crappy C/C++ can be slower than well written >Python, but if both are well written, C/C++ will always win. > >Chris I'd argue that point, C, if well written, will beat C++ any day. Only occasionally will C match assembly, and that would be assembly from someone who doesn't _know_ assembly. And experienced assembly coder will beat the other languages, often by orders of magnitude. The modern C compiler is pretty good though. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. QOTD: "It's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun." From ck.thrissur at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 04:32:25 2009 From: ck.thrissur at gmail.com (ck raju) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:02:25 +0530 Subject: Users at heart of new design Message-ID: "Ubuntu 9.10 desktop edition puts the user at the heart of its new design Mumbai: Canonical announced the upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop Edition, the latest version of the popular Linux desktop distribution. Ubuntu 9.10 will be available for free download on Thursday 29 October....." ------------------- News on 9.10 release in The Financial Express, India is at http://www.financialexpress.com/news/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-edition-puts-the-user-at-the-heart-of-its-new-design/534005/ -- CK Raju From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 28 07:37:41 2009 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:37:41 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910271803.40562.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE75A6C.5070400@gmail.com> <200910271803.40562.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200910280837.41204.kassube@gmx.net> Clay Weber wrote: > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 04:39:08 pm O. Sinclair wrote: > > You are right and I am wrong, my bad assumption. However - if I > > connect to a wpa or whatever encrypted network I have to tell/know > > the encryption used. Which normally is not a problem for me but for > > "the what is encryption, just tell me the password"-user certainly > > it is. > > Does wicd need this information as well? I can't remember, it's been > a while since I have needed to use it. No. If you let wicd scan for networks and then edit the properties of the network you want to use, it has the encryption type preset and you only need to enter the passphrase. Nils From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 09:23:16 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:23:16 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910272242.28097.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910271427.38162.claydoh@midmaine.com> <87BCC04E-BFE1-4C37-A251-3A3047F88287@cern.ch> <200910272242.28097.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4AE80D84.8050500@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> > I'd argue that point, C, if well written, will beat C++ any day. I disagree . A really good C++ programmer can write code just as fast as C. But the point is you have to know what you are doing. C++ is a superset of C, so use the features of C++ when they are appropriate, and those of C when they aren't. The problem is it is probably easier to write truly terrible (i.e. slow) C+ than it is to write bad C. Chris From wayward4now at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 14:30:24 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:30:24 -0400 Subject: Ot: Re: Can pulseaudio be gotten rid of?? Karmic... In-Reply-To: <200910262027.12834.pwhite@bluewin.ch> References: <1256502855.8043.2.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <880dece00910251548p1a5213e4m44573bf1996236f0@mail.gmail.com> <1256524000.8043.85.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910262027.12834.pwhite@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <1256740224.4997.265.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 20:27 +0100, Perry wrote: > Le Monday 26 October 2009 03:26:40 Ric Moore, vous avez écrit : > > THANK YOU! Dotan. At least I'm not alone. See, I am not a developer. Nor > > am I merely just a passive user. I'm trying to get a STABLE install on a > > "Proof-of-Concept" machine to put in front of DOC officials to introduce > > Linux to prisons. No software costs, older machines could be put to > > useful purpose and development of rehab programs could then proceed. > > I really appreciate what you are trying to do, Ric. > Prisons are, allas, not meant to help inmates out, only to take some sort of > sylly and stupid revenge on them. I hope the work of some good people can > help inmates to get out as better persons, not as worse like usual. I'd like to see that happen. We're letting over 1/2 million loose every year for the next ten years. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From tuxebi at gmx.de Wed Oct 28 18:02:33 2009 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:02:33 +0100 Subject: Users at heart of new design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ck raju wrote: > "Ubuntu 9.10 desktop edition puts the user at the heart of its new design > > Mumbai: Canonical announced the upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.10 > Desktop Edition, the latest version of the popular Linux desktop > distribution. Ubuntu 9.10 will be available for free download on > Thursday 29 October....." > ------------------- > News on 9.10 release in The Financial Express, India is at > http://www.financialexpress.com/news/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-edition-puts-the-user-at-the-heart-of-its-new-design/534005/ > > -- > CK Raju > Actually this time I decided to do an dist-upgrade a little earlier (about three weeks ago) in order to prevent the usual server overload, when a new version comes out. I went through many upgrades, sometimes more that once, daily, and all I can say is that I can heartily recommend to use Kubuntu Karmic. Kind regards Eberhard From mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 21:38:28 2009 From: mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com (Martin Laberge) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:38:28 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200910281738.29029.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 19:29:53 Derek Broughton wrote: > Really, you aren't going to get any more developers just because you use > Python. Give me a decent programmer who knows more than two languages (at > least one procedural, and one OO), and I will happily put him to work on a > project in a language he's never seen before. Languages are almost > unimportant - attitude and methodology is everything. "Languages are almost unimportant - attitude and methodology is everything." Everyone, Repeat after me... "Languages are almost unimportant - attitude and methodology is everything." and keep it in the best quotes of the month. If more poeple would understand... -- Martin Laberge mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com *** 30 Years of Unix Admin, and now living *** From mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 21:43:22 2009 From: mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com (Martin Laberge) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:43:22 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE80D84.8050500@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910272242.28097.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4AE80D84.8050500@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200910281743.22141.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> On Wednesday 28 October 2009 05:23:16 Chris Jones wrote: > > > I'd argue that point, C, if well written, will beat C++ any day. > > I disagree . A really good C++ programmer can write code just as fast as > C. But the point is you have to know what you are doing. C++ is a > superset of C, so use the features of C++ when they are appropriate, and > those of C when they aren't. The problem is it is probably easier to > write truly terrible (i.e. slow) C+ than it is to write bad C. > > Chris > > c++ Would be almost as efficient as C ... but overhead of c++, can't be removed, then never as efficient than C. Like C will never be as efficient than assembler. This is laws of nature, (in a binary computer way ...) -- Martin Laberge mlsoftlaberge at gmail.com *** 30 Years of Unix Admin, and now living *** From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 22:27:03 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:27:03 +1000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910281743.22141.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE80D84.8050500@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <200910281743.22141.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910290827.03832.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:43:22 am Martin Laberge wrote: > On Wednesday 28 October 2009 05:23:16 Chris Jones wrote: > > > I'd argue that point, C, if well written, will beat C++ any day. > > > > I disagree . A really good C++ programmer can write code just as fast as > > C. But the point is you have to know what you are doing. C++ is a > > superset of C, so use the features of C++ when they are appropriate, and > > those of C when they aren't. The problem is it is probably easier to > > write truly terrible (i.e. slow) C+ than it is to write bad C. > > > > Chris > > c++ Would be almost as efficient as C ... > > but overhead of c++, can't be removed, > then never as efficient than C. There is no "overhead" with c++ compared to c. c++ is a superset of c. -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From mailinglist at endosquid.com Thu Oct 29 03:44:43 2009 From: mailinglist at endosquid.com (Brendan) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:44:43 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> > Bah. I do almost all of my work in Python these days, but I can't honestly > say development time is any different for C or Python. That is a very silly statement. You are talking about comfort-level, not dev time, since given the same experience, a dev in Python is always going to be faster at complex tasks, since you don't have to worry about mem-handling, etc. From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 09:28:32 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:28:32 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> > That is a very silly statement. > You are talking about comfort-level, not dev time, since given the same > experience, a dev in Python is always going to be faster at complex tasks, > since you don't have to worry about mem-handling, etc. Not as silly as yours. I see no evidence that dev time is systematically faster in Python than any other language. For sure there are some things in Python you don't have to worry about, which you do in C++, but on the other hand there are things which are a PITA to do in Python which are easy with the right constructs in C++. Swings and roundabouts. The bottom line is "each to your own", everyone has their own favorite language, and generalized statements about how one is faster to code in than the other are nonsense. Chris From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 10:37:17 2009 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:37:17 +1000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200910292037.17154.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:28:32 pm Chris Jones wrote: > The bottom line is "each to your own", everyone has their own favorite > language, and generalized statements about how one is faster to code in > than the other are nonsense. > $$$ => Chris -- Lindsay http://blackpaw.jalbum.net/home From grey at dmiyu.org Thu Oct 29 14:52:42 2009 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:52:42 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AE9AC3A.8030707@dmiyu.org> Chris Jones wrote: > The bottom line is "each to your own", everyone has their own favorite = > language, and generalized statements about how one is faster to code in= =20 > than the other are nonsense. This patently false and easily demonstrable. If it were true why wou= ld we need any of the other languages past assembly? Indeed, why any new langu= ages, anywhere, at all? --=20 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+-----------------------------------------= ---- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From gene.heskett at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 17:48:05 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:48:05 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 9.10: Stable, Social and Beautiful In-Reply-To: <20091029153743.GL7370@muse.19inch.net> References: <20091029153743.GL7370@muse.19inch.net> Message-ID: <200910291348.05310.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Thursday 29 October 2009, Jonathan Riddell wrote: >Kubuntu 9.10 has been released. For the first time this includes >Kubuntu Netbook Edition, a technical preview of the exciting Plasma >Netbook desktop. Other features include OpenOffice.org KDE 4 >integration, several social network applications, a message indicator >and the latest KDE applications. > >For the full announcement see > http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release > >To download the CD images go to > http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download > I believe the word is 'slashdotted' >Kubuntu Netbook Edition is intended to be installed from a USB drive, >use USB Creator available in Kubuntu 9.10 (and for install in 9.04) to >copy the image to the USB driver. > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. I did it just to piss you off. :-P -- Branden Robinson in a message to debian-devel From jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 18:07:57 2009 From: jonesc at hep.phy.cam.ac.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:07:57 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AE9AC3A.8030707@dmiyu.org> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE9AC3A.8030707@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <4AE9D9FD.9090407@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> Steve Lamb wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: >> The bottom line is "each to your own", everyone has their own favorite = > >> language, and generalized statements about how one is faster to code in= > =20 >> than the other are nonsense. > > This patently false and easily demonstrable. If it were true why wou= > ld we > need any of the other languages past assembly? Indeed, why any new langu= > ages, > anywhere, at all? Lets agree to disagree. Strongly ;) From gkourtev at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 19:36:44 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:36:44 +0200 Subject: Missing user at login stage Message-ID: Dear all, After upgrade to 9.10 to a mashine with two users, at the login stage there is a nice blue login screen. However on it I can see the username to the first (root) user. In the menu I cannot see the second user. The manual entry of the username does not help - no login possible. When trying to login through the console the usere is there (in terminal mode though). I assume this might have been the case with 9.04 (4.3.2), but hasn't got it on that mashine. Any ideas how to tackle this? Thanks. gk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The MD5 sum matches. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Dyslexics untie! From wayward4now at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 04:57:42 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:57:42 -0400 Subject: Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks Message-ID: <1256878662.2509.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> I tried to remove this little innocuous stinker of a game and it wants to remove KDE-FULL. Huh, just checked that package, before I hit the shiny red-button, and that seems to include my whole $%^& KDE desktop. Just wondered who has the brain today and if they would PLEASE pass it around?? Cannot someone make it a rule to NOT dEsTrOy the user's installation when removing a package?? That would be very nice. Especially for a newb that spent a week dnloading kubuntu, via a tin can in a third world country, and then hoses the entire install removing "Hunt The Wumpus". Can we be mindful and "JUST SAY NO!" ?? We need a "No Delete Desktop" Czar (Dept of Homeland NDD) to oversee these things. X{ Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 06:05:22 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:05:22 +0200 Subject: URGENT: Problem with mounting Message-ID: All, After upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 to a DELL inspiron 1525, I cannot boot the mashine at all. Below is the message I got: One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted: (ESC for recovery shell) /: waiting for /dev/disk/by-uuid/01cceacc-c363-4295-8e9a-3792c9aa855d /: tmp waiting for (null) swap: waiting got UUID=4ef950ca-a29d-49df-a317-5d4ab18951a2 What can be done? Thanks. gk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 06:14:38 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:14:38 +0200 Subject: URGENT: Problem with mounting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/10/30 Georgi Kourtev > All, > > After upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 to a DELL inspiron 1525, I cannot boot > the mashine at all. Below is the message I got: > > One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted: > (ESC for recovery shell) > /: waiting for /dev/disk/by-uuid/01cceacc-c363-4295-8e9a-3792c9aa855d > /: tmp waiting for (null) > swap: waiting got UUID=4ef950ca-a29d-49df-a317-5d4ab18951a2 > > What can be done? Thanks. > gk > More on that: when I try to see what is the GRUB menu, I see only UBUNTU 9.04 kernels... gk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 07:30:06 2009 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:30:06 +0100 Subject: Upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 Message-ID: <200910300830.07109.valtermura@gmail.com> Hi All!!! This is my short report of my system's upgrade. I upgraded online. After two bad tentatives, maybe due to too much traffic in the net, I succeded to successfully upgrade my system. My impression is to an improve usability, the system seems to be faster and responsive, now plasma widgets works better. I had a video card issue and, for the moment it seems to be disappeared. My system is old and everything, AFAIK, went well: Pentium IV 2.8, 768 RAM, 2 independent hards disks (one for Windows, one for Kubuntu), ATI Radeon 9200 SE 128 MB (sic!), integrated sound card. My most used apps: Kmail, Konqueror, Firefox, Lokalize, Amarok, Konsole, Kate, Dolphin, K3b, Kid3, Ktorrent. I checked them and they are working correctly. Great work from both Kubuntu and KDE teams!!! I DO NOT accept any upgrade and apps issue from you starting from my system specs on... I accept them only for older systems than mine... Best regards, -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From pkaplan1 at comcast.net Fri Oct 30 09:41:49 2009 From: pkaplan1 at comcast.net (pkaplan1) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:41:49 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 9.10: Stable, Social and Beautiful In-Reply-To: <200910292344.49316.rjlapham@gmail.com> References: <20091029153743.GL7370@muse.19inch.net> <200910292344.49316.rjlapham@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910300541.49446.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Try reburning the iso at a lower speed? Paul On Thursday 29 October 2009 23:44 Jerry Lapham wrote: > On Thursday 29 October 2009 11:37:43 am Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Kubuntu 9.10 has been released. For the first time this includes > > Kubuntu Netbook Edition, a technical preview of the exciting Plasma > > Netbook desktop. Other features include OpenOffice.org KDE 4 > > integration, several social network applications, a message indicator > > and the latest KDE applications. > > Just downloaded the i386 desktop version and burned it to CD. It won't > boot all the way on either my laptop or my desktop. Error messages go > away too fast to read. The MD5 sum matches. > -Jerry > From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 30 09:45:49 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:45:49 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910290827.03832.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910281743.22141.mlsoftlaberge@gmail.com> <200910290827.03832.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910300945.49894.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Wednesday 28 Oct 2009 22:27:03 Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:43:22 am Martin Laberge wrote: > > On Wednesday 28 October 2009 05:23:16 Chris Jones wrote: > > > > I'd argue that point, C, if well written, will beat C++ any day. > > > > > > I disagree . A really good C++ programmer can write code just as fast as > > > C. But the point is you have to know what you are doing. C++ is a > > > superset of C, so use the features of C++ when they are appropriate, and > > > those of C when they aren't. The problem is it is probably easier to > > > write truly terrible (i.e. slow) C+ than it is to write bad C. > > > > > > Chris > > > > c++ Would be almost as efficient as C ... > > > > but overhead of c++, can't be removed, > > then never as efficient than C. > > There is no "overhead" with c++ compared to c. c++ is a superset of c. > > You mean apart from the overhead of getting your head around the mangled and unreadable syntax in the first place ;) ? Mark From mirtosilvio.busico at fastwebnet.it Fri Oct 30 11:01:24 2009 From: mirtosilvio.busico at fastwebnet.it (Mirto Silvio Busico) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:01:24 +0100 Subject: Karmic: problems behind a proxy Message-ID: <4AEAC784.4090707@fastwebnet.it> Hi all, I've just done a fresh install of Karmic on a test machine in my office. I'm behind a firewall and I have to use a proxy. During the standard installation process it is not offered to setup a proxy for apt-get. 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No idea why though. -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From valtermura at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 12:30:01 2009 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:30:01 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 9.04 Krename audio tag support In-Reply-To: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <200910301330.02195.valtermura@gmail.com> venerdì 23 ottobre 2009 Mark Fraser ha scritto: > I recently wanted to rename a mp3 file with KRneame so that the filename > matched the id3 tags - something that I used to do quite a bit with 8.04 - > but there doesn't seem to be any way of doing it in 9.04. Unless of course > I'm missing something. > What about using Kid3? I use it and I'm very happy. -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.ubuntu.com Usa OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 12:35:58 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:35:58 +0200 Subject: URGENT: Problem with mounting In-Reply-To: <200910301300.09768.tanghus@gmail.com> References: <200910301300.09768.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/10/30 Thomas Olsen > > > I've had problems like this on Jaunty. Running "sudo update-grub" solved > the > problem. No idea why though. > > -- > Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen > > Thomas Olsen > > Couldn't perform the update. It says 'Read-only file system'. gk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Fri Oct 30 12:50:51 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:50:51 -0400 Subject: Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks In-Reply-To: <1256878662.2509.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1256878662.2509.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910300850.51184.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Friday 30 October 2009 12:57:42 am Ric Moore wrote: > I tried to remove this little innocuous stinker of a game and it wants > to remove KDE-FULL. Huh, just checked that package, before I hit the > shiny red-button, and that seems to include my whole $%^& KDE desktop. > Just wondered who has the brain today and if they would PLEASE pass it > around?? Cannot someone make it a rule to NOT dEsTrOy the user's > installation when removing a package?? > > That would be very nice. Especially for a newb that spent a week > dnloading kubuntu, via a tin can in a third world country, and then > hoses the entire install removing "Hunt The Wumpus". > > Can we be mindful and "JUST SAY NO!" ?? We need a "No Delete Desktop" > Czar (Dept of Homeland NDD) to oversee these things. X{ Ric > kde-full? That package is a meta-package it is used simply to depend on other packages. it isn't usually installed, or necessary - it basically tells the package manager to install literally the entire set of KDE packages. I believe it is a Debian thing that gets carried over. Maybe run the the command line to remove the game and post the results so we can see exactly what is happening? When I try removing the game, it only wants to remove itself and the meta-package kdegames. clay From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 13:12:43 2009 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:12:43 +0200 Subject: URGENT: Problem with mounting In-Reply-To: References: <200910301300.09768.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/10/30 Georgi Kourtev > > > 2009/10/30 Thomas Olsen > > >> >> I've had problems like this on Jaunty. Running "sudo update-grub" solved >> the >> problem. No idea why though. >> >> -- >> Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen >> >> Thomas Olsen >> >> Couldn't perform the update. It says 'Read-only file system'. > gk > SOLVED finally!!! This is how I did it: mount -n -o remount,rw / which obviously made all my dev write enabled. Then: sudo dpkg --configure -a which installed all broken packages. Then reboot. After the reboot though I lanched KPackageKit where some 18-20 other updates were hanging. Now the system is FINE!!! gk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 30 13:26:58 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:26:58 +0000 Subject: URGENT: Problem with mounting In-Reply-To: References: <200910301300.09768.tanghus@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910301326.58557.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Friday 30 Oct 2009 12:35:58 Georgi Kourtev wrote: > 2009/10/30 Thomas Olsen > > > > > > > I've had problems like this on Jaunty. Running "sudo update-grub" solved > > the > > problem. No idea why though. > > > > -- > > Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen > > > > Thomas Olsen > > > > Couldn't perform the update. It says 'Read-only file system'. > gk > Try sudo mount -o rw,remount / or sudo mount -o rw,remount /dev/sda1 (or whichever partition it is) or indeed sudo mount -o rw,remount /dev/disk/by-uuid/01cceacc-c363-4295-8e9a-3792c9aa855d (might work, never tried that form) then try sudo update-grub Mark From nadreck at palain.com Fri Oct 30 13:40:35 2009 From: nadreck at palain.com (nadreck at palain.com) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:40:35 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 9.10: Stable, Social and Beautiful Message-ID: <1543550.387541256910035247.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Did you happen to use k3b to burn the ISO? I have never been able to burn an ISO that worked using k3b, even with matching MD5 hashes. And I looked online enough to know I not the only one with that problem. you might try burning with a different app in that case. Regards, On Thursday 29 October 2009 11:37:43 am Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Kubuntu 9.10 has been released.  For the first time this includes > Kubuntu Netbook Edition, a technical preview of the exciting Plasma > Netbook desktop.  Other features include OpenOffice.org KDE 4 > integration, several social network applications, a message indicator > and the latest KDE applications. Just downloaded the i386 desktop version and burned it to CD. It won't boot all the way on either my laptop or my desktop. Error messages go away too fast to read. The MD5 sum matches. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Dyslexics untie! -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Kevin B. O'Brien nadreck at palain.com Any industry that needs a federal bailout needs federal regulation. From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 30 14:33:23 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:33:23 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu 9.10: Stable, Social and Beautiful In-Reply-To: <1543550.387541256910035247.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <1543550.387541256910035247.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <200910301433.23156.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Friday 30 Oct 2009 13:40:35 nadreck at palain.com wrote: > Did you happen to use k3b to burn the ISO? I have never been able to burn an ISO that worked using k3b, even with matching MD5 hashes. And I looked online enough to know I not the only one with that problem. you might try burning with a different app in that case. > > Regards, > > On Thursday 29 October 2009 11:37:43 am Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > Kubuntu 9.10 has been released. For the first time this includes > > Kubuntu Netbook Edition, a technical preview of the exciting Plasma > > Netbook desktop. Other features include OpenOffice.org KDE 4 > > integration, several social network applications, a message indicator > > and the latest KDE applications. > > Just downloaded the i386 desktop version and burned it to CD. It won't boot > all the way on either my laptop or my desktop. Error messages go away too > fast to read. The MD5 sum matches. > -Jerry > I've always found that with K3B I need to choose a slow burn speed, 8x is the highest I've ever got away with on my 56x drive..!. I use 4x and haven't burned a coaster in ages. Mark From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 30 14:54:35 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:54:35 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE9AC3A.8030707@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: Steve Lamb wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: >> The bottom line is "each to your own", everyone has their own favorite >> language, and generalized statements about how one is faster to code in >> than the other are nonsense. > > This patently false and easily demonstrable. If it were true why > would we need any of the other languages past assembly? Indeed, why > any new languages, anywhere, at all? You're talking _specifics_, not generalizations. We need high-level languages (in general) because they are easier to code in, but we don't need Python instead of Fortran _for every task_. Some things will be easier to write in one language than another. If we tried to make something that handled _all_ tasks equally well, we'd probably have Assembler :-) So, no, your hypothesis is not only not easily demonstrable, but I think easily disproven - all we have to do is find a single case where any action requires fewer statements in one language than another to show a use where the first language is better; then find a reverse case for the same two languages. And that, of course, only deals with the actual ease of programming - there are still efficiencies to be gained for specific functions written in specific languages (which is why so much of python invokes C behind the curtain). -- derek From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 30 14:46:40 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:46:40 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> Message-ID: Brendan wrote: >> Bah. I do almost all of my work in Python these days, but I can't >> honestly say development time is any different for C or Python. > > That is a very silly statement. > You are talking about comfort-level, not dev time, since given the same > experience, a dev in Python is always going to be faster at complex tasks, > since you don't have to worry about mem-handling, etc. "Comfort level"? My _comfort level_ is Python (and Java). I still don't believe I develop any faster in either, than I did in C. -- derek From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 15:17:41 2009 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:17:41 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE9AC3A.8030707@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <4AEB0395.2090400@gmail.com> Derek Broughton wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: > >> Chris Jones wrote: >>> The bottom line is "each to your own", everyone has their own favorite >>> language, and generalized statements about how one is faster to code in >>> than the other are nonsense. >> This patently false and easily demonstrable. If it were true why >> would we need any of the other languages past assembly? Indeed, why >> any new languages, anywhere, at all? > > You're talking _specifics_, not generalizations. We need high-level > languages (in general) because they are easier to code in, but we don't need > Python instead of Fortran _for every task_. Some things will be easier to > write in one language than another. If we tried to make something that > handled _all_ tasks equally well, we'd probably have Assembler :-) So, no, > your hypothesis is not only not easily demonstrable, but I think easily > disproven - all we have to do is find a single case where any action > requires fewer statements in one language than another to show a use where > the first language is better; then find a reverse case for the same two > languages. And that, of course, only deals with the actual ease of > programming - there are still efficiencies to be gained for specific > functions written in specific languages (which is why so much of python > invokes C behind the curtain). Gentlemen, has not this discussion left the topic in question since quite some time? If you feel like arguing on about programming languages I suggest a separate thread or, better yet, another mailing list for that discussion. From pascal at francq.info Fri Oct 30 15:36:45 2009 From: pascal at francq.info (Pascal Francq) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:36:45 +0100 Subject: Upgrade 9.10 - Missing packages Message-ID: <200910301636.48556.pascal@francq.info> Hi, When I try to upgrade from 9.04 to 9. 10, and the end, I have the following messages : Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python-dev 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python-minimal 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] Impossible de récupérer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-dev_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] Impossible de récupérer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] Impossible de récupérer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minimal_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] Any ideas how to solve the problem (the packages seems to miss on the server) ? -- Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq BELGIUM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com Fri Oct 30 15:39:11 2009 From: ralphdewitt at tampabay.rr.com (Ralph DeWitt) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:39:11 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <4AEB0395.2090400@gmail.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AEB0395.2090400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910301139.11933.ralphdewitt@tampabay.rr.com> On Friday 30 October 2009 11:17:41 am O. Sinclair wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: > > Steve Lamb wrote: > >> Chris Jones wrote: > >>> The bottom line is "each to your own", everyone has their own favorite > >>> language, and generalized statements about how one is faster to code in > >>> than the other are nonsense. > >> > >> This patently false and easily demonstrable. If it were true why > >> would we need any of the other languages past assembly? Indeed, why > >> any new languages, anywhere, at all? > > > > You're talking _specifics_, not generalizations. We need high-level > > languages (in general) because they are easier to code in, but we don't > > need Python instead of Fortran _for every task_. Some things will be > > easier to write in one language than another. If we tried to make > > something that handled _all_ tasks equally well, we'd probably have > > Assembler :-) So, no, your hypothesis is not only not easily > > demonstrable, but I think easily disproven - all we have to do is find a > > single case where any action requires fewer statements in one language > > than another to show a use where the first language is better; then find > > a reverse case for the same two languages. And that, of course, only > > deals with the actual ease of programming - there are still efficiencies > > to be gained for specific functions written in specific languages (which > > is why so much of python invokes C behind the curtain). > > Gentlemen, has not this discussion left the topic in question since > quite some time? If you feel like arguing on about programming languages > I suggest a separate thread or, better yet, another mailing list for > that discussion. > Yes we have long left the topic. The original comments had too do with the lack of feature parodie with ubuntu. What should be discussed is why we are not keeping up with ubuntu? and What we can do to get up to speed with ubuntu's custom features? Easy for me to say not being a programmer. -- Yours, Ralph. 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From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 30 16:05:44 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:05:44 +0000 Subject: Upgrade 9.10 - Missing packages In-Reply-To: <200910301636.48556.pascal@francq.info> References: <200910301636.48556.pascal@francq.info> Message-ID: <200910301605.45115.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Friday 30 Oct 2009 15:36:45 Pascal Francq wrote: > Hi, > When I try to upgrade from 9.04 to 9. > 10, and the end, I have the following messages : > > > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python-dev 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 > 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 > 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python-minimal 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 > 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > Impossible de récupérer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-dev_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found > [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > Impossible de récupérer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP : > 91.189.88.135 80] > Impossible de récupérer http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minimal_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not > Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > > Any ideas how to solve the problem (the packages seems to miss on the server) ? > I've been seeing this today. I think the server is just very busy. I retried a few times and eventually it worked. Mark From pascal at francq.info Fri Oct 30 16:35:11 2009 From: pascal at francq.info (Pascal Francq) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:35:11 +0100 Subject: Upgrade 9.10 - Missing packages In-Reply-To: <200910301605.45115.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <200910301636.48556.pascal@francq.info> <200910301605.45115.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200910301735.13837.pascal@francq.info> In fact, it works now (I am sending this e-mail from 9.10). On vendredi 30 octobre 2009, Mark Greenwood wrote: > On Friday 30 Oct 2009 15:36:45 Pascal Francq wrote: > > Hi, > > When I try to upgrade from 9.04 to 9. > > 10, and the end, I have the following messages : > > > > > > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python-dev > > 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 > > 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python-minimal > > 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > > Impossible de récupérer > > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-dev_2 > >.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > > Impossible de récupérer > > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python_2.6.4 > >-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > > Impossible de récupérer > > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minim > >al_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] > > > > Any ideas how to solve the problem (the packages seems to miss on the > > server) ? > > I've been seeing this today. I think the server is just very busy. I > retried a few times and eventually it worked. > > Mark > -- Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq BELGIUM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de Fri Oct 30 18:09:19 2009 From: mailing-lists-mmvi at bretschneidernet.de (Martin Bretschneider) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:09:19 +0100 Subject: Knetworkmanager / fixed ? In-Reply-To: <200910241236.39741.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> References: <4AE2669E.9000303@gmail.com> <200910241236.39741.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910301909.19520.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Am Samstag 24 Oktober 2009 schrieb Lindsay Mathieson: > On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:29:50 pm Rick wrote: > > Wonder if they have fix the issues, with KNetworkmanager that was a > > problem in 9.04 > > since now, they will be coming out with 9.10 ? > > The wireless on my Netbook has been working very well. Cannot get VPN > connections to work - create them fine, but they are non-clickable in > the network menu. same here, openvpn does not seem to work. Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 _o)(o_ Ernest Hemingway: -./\\//\.- I like to listen. I have learned a great deal _\_VV_/_ from listening carefully. Most people never listen. From stan10x10 at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 18:44:37 2009 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (uriah heep) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:44:37 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 9.10: Stable, Social and Beautiful In-Reply-To: <200910301433.23156.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> References: <1543550.387541256910035247.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <200910301433.23156.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <69c7ddfb0910301144ldf2d6b6qf50397f63beba3bc@mail.gmail.com> > > > > I've always found that with K3B I need to choose a slow burn speed, 8x is > the highest I've ever got away with on my 56x drive..!. I use 4x and haven't > burned a coaster in ages. > > Mark > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > I have found image burn to be a very reliable program. I was written for windows but installs and is fully functional under kubuntu. it is free. 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Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-dev_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.135 80] Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.135 80] Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minimal_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.135 80] Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/update-manager/update-manager-core_0.126.8_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.135 80] Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/update-manager/update-manager-kde_0.126.8_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.135 80] 2009/10/30 Pascal Francq : > In fact, it works now (I am sending this e-mail from 9.10). > > On vendredi 30 octobre 2009, Mark Greenwood wrote: >> On Friday 30 Oct 2009 15:36:45 Pascal Francq wrote: >> > Hi, >> > When I try to upgrade from 9.04 to 9. >> > 10, and the end, I have the following messages : >> > >> > >> > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python-dev >> > 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] >> > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 >> >   404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] >> > Err http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic-proposed/main python-minimal >> > 2.6.4-0ubuntu1 404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] >> > Impossible de récupérer >> > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-dev_2 >> >.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] >> > Impossible de récupérer >> > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python_2.6.4 >> >-0ubuntu1_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] >> > Impossible de récupérer >> > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minim >> >al_2.6.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.135 80] >> > >> > Any ideas how to solve the problem (the packages seems to miss on the >> > server) ? >> >> I've been seeing this today. I think the server is just very busy. I >>  retried a few times and eventually it worked. >> >> Mark >> > > > -- > > Dr. Ir. Pascal Francq > BELGIUM > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > From derek at pointerstop.ca Fri Oct 30 18:29:33 2009 From: derek at pointerstop.ca (Derek Broughton) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:29:33 -0300 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE9AC3A.8030707@dmiyu.org> <4AEB0395.2090400@gmail.com> Message-ID: O. Sinclair wrote: > Gentlemen, has not this discussion left the topic in question since > quite some time? I sooo hate net police. > If you feel like arguing on about programming languages > I suggest a separate thread or, better yet, another mailing list for > that discussion. I suggest the delete key. -- derek From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 31 00:48:53 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:48:53 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AEB0395.2090400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910302048.53505.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Friday 30 October 2009 02:29:33 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: > > Gentlemen, has not this discussion left the topic in question since > > quite some time? > > I sooo hate net police. > Wow, I wouldn't even consider that even the net Neighborhood Watch :/ > > If you feel like arguing on about programming languages > > I suggest a separate thread or, better yet, another mailing list for > > that discussion. > > I suggest the delete key. > But that sure is a lot of useless reading and deleting. It was a polite suggestion, a motion I would like to second. Clay From grey at dmiyu.org Sat Oct 31 04:41:20 2009 From: grey at dmiyu.org (Steve Lamb) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:41:20 -0700 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <4AE74BFD.1050106@dmiyu.org> <200910282344.43087.mailinglist@endosquid.com> <4AE96040.6050501@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> <4AE9AC3A.8030707@dmiyu.org> Message-ID: <4AEBBFF0.3070307@dmiyu.org> Derek Broughton wrote: > You're talking _specifics_, not generalizations. We need high-level > languages (in general) because they are easier to code in, but we don't need > Python instead of Fortran _for every task_. Tell me where I ever said Python was to be used in all cases? Derek, one thing that pisses me off to no end are people who construct blatant strawmen. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? 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In-Reply-To: <200910301909.19520.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> References: <4AE2669E.9000303@gmail.com> <200910241236.39741.lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> <200910301909.19520.mailing-lists-mmvi@bretschneidernet.de> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Martin Bretschneider wrote: > Am Samstag 24 Oktober 2009 schrieb Lindsay Mathieson: >> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:29:50 pm Rick wrote: >> > Wonder if they have fix the issues, with KNetworkmanager that was a >> > problem in 9.04 >> > since now, they will be coming out with 9.10 ? >> >> The wireless on my Netbook has been working very well. Cannot get VPN >> connections to work - create them fine, but they are non-clickable in >>  the network menu. > > same here, openvpn does not seem to work. The password protected networks works ?. > > Martin > -- > http://www.bretschneidernet.de/        OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 >     _o)(o_                       Ernest Hemingway: >   -./\\//\.-       I like to listen. I have learned a great deal >    _\_VV_/_     from listening carefully. Most people never listen. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From rjlapham at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 06:00:20 2009 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:00:20 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu 9.10: Stable, Social and Beautiful In-Reply-To: <200910300541.49446.pkaplan1@comcast.net> References: <20091029153743.GL7370@muse.19inch.net> <200910292344.49316.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910300541.49446.pkaplan1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200910310200.20569.rjlapham@gmail.com> On Friday 30 October 2009 5:41:49 am pkaplan1 wrote: > Try reburning the iso at a lower speed? > > Just downloaded the i386 desktop version and burned it to CD. It won't > > boot all the way on either my laptop or my desktop. Error messages go > > away too fast to read. The MD5 sum matches. > > -Jerry Amazingly enough, that worked. I say "amazingly" because the first CD was readable -- it just wouldn't boot. Thanks. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Dyslexics untie! From rjlapham at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 06:17:24 2009 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:17:24 -0400 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? Message-ID: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but previously formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little leary, but I think I let it default to installing grub2 on dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from Kubuntu 9.04 on dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 on dev/sda6. I did it and rebooted but when I clicked on Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. How do I get 9.10 to boot? -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Trackball: a mouse that went belly up. From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Oct 31 09:05:19 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:05:19 +0800 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jerry Lapham wrote: > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but previously > formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little leary, but I think I let it > default to installing grub2 on dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from > Kubuntu 9.04 on dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. > > I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add Kubuntu 9.10 on > dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 on dev/sda6. I did it and > rebooted but when I clicked on Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. > > How do I get 9.10 to boot? > > -Jerry When 1st grub menu (grub-legacy) from 9.04 appears, go to command prompt, 'c' I think, then type and press enter after each command.. root (hd0,6) chainloader +1 boot If this does not work, it means you have an empty grub for 9.10. then at the same grub prompt...(make sure you go back to the 9.04 grub, not the empty grub2)..... root (hd0,6) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/sda7 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-14-generic boot If this still does not work, it means you have an empty boot. At this point, I recommend you reinstall and ensure grub2 installs at sda. (easier than chroot using livecd, which I don't normally do) Now, if you manage to boot to 9.10, type this at terminal sudo grub-install /dev/sda Regards, Goh Lip From kaj at haulrich.net Sat Oct 31 09:08:57 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:08:57 +0100 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910311008.58004.kaj@haulrich.net> On Saturday 31 October 2009 07:17:24 Jerry Lapham wrote: > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but > previously formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little > leary, but I think I let it default to installing grub2 on > dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from Kubuntu 9.04 on > dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. > > I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add > Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 > on dev/sda6. I did it and rebooted but when I clicked on > Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. > > How do I get 9.10 to boot? Grub2 is a different beast from grub legacy. No menu.lst anymore. In /boot/grub, you'll find a file called grub.cfg, but - as it clearly says: - don't edit this file. Instead, you'll find a file in /etc/default called grub. This one is editable and after editing one must run: 'sudo update-grub2'. While doing so, it will search for other bootable partitions, and create a new boot menu. In your case, I would simply try to run 'sudo update-grub2' and see what happens. I've had countless problems with grub2 myself during the alpha-beta phase, and the documentation is sparse - to say the least. So, before you edit /etc/default/grub, save it under another name, i.e. 'grub_original'. That way you can restore it - if need be from a live CD, if the system will not boot at all. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --------- Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 --------- From g.lip at gmx.com Sat Oct 31 09:39:44 2009 From: g.lip at gmx.com (Goh Lip) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:39:44 +0800 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> Message-ID: Goh Lip wrote: > Jerry Lapham wrote: >> I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but previously >> formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little leary, but I think I let it >> default to installing grub2 on dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from >> Kubuntu 9.04 on dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. >> >> I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add Kubuntu 9.10 on >> dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 on dev/sda6. I did it and >> rebooted but when I clicked on Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. >> >> How do I get 9.10 to boot? >> >> -Jerry > > > When 1st grub menu (grub-legacy) from 9.04 appears, go to command > prompt, 'c' I think, then type and press enter after each command.. > > root (hd0,6) > chainloader +1 > boot > > > If this does not work, it means you have an empty grub for 9.10. > then at the same grub prompt...(make sure you go back to the 9.04 grub, > not the empty grub2)..... > > root (hd0,6) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/sda7 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-14-generic > boot > > > If this still does not work, it means you have an empty boot. At this > point, I recommend you reinstall and ensure grub2 installs at sda. > (easier than chroot using livecd, which I don't normally do) > > > Now, if you manage to boot to 9.10, type this at terminal > > sudo grub-install /dev/sda > > > Regards, > Goh Lip > > Jerry, I was reluctant to add the following as I am unsure if the grub prompt you get is from 9.10 (grub2) or from 9.04 (grub-legacy) if you get "grub>" then it's from grub-legacy (9.04) if you get "grub:sh>" then it's from grub2 (9.10) If you get "grub:sh>" then you should do insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,7) linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/sda7 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-14-generic boot Please ignore this 2nd message unless you cannot have progress with the first message. But I figured I better send this as I may not get back to you in time. Hope this helps rather than confuse. :) Regards, Goh Lip From paul at paulhurley.co.uk Sat Oct 31 10:33:18 2009 From: paul at paulhurley.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:33:18 +0000 Subject: Can't get Myth on Kubuntu 9.10 Karmic Beta to work - no sound, poor video Message-ID: <4AEC126E.30103@paulhurley.co.uk> I've got an old Dell system running Kubuntu 8.04 and Myth quite well using a Hauppauge Nova DVB-T stick. Seeing that Karmic 9.10 will use Myth 0.22 I thought I'd try to update things. I've scrounged a HP Compaq Evo D530 box (typical office PC, P4 2.66Ghz, 1Gb Mem small form factor etc) and a Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE card. I planned to install the beta, play about getting the box to record off of my Sky box analogue output, then install the final release and add the DVB-T stick. However I have several issues with the beta that I can't get around; I don't have any sound from the PVR150. This is both from the box, or from recordings I watch on another box after downloading Video playback is jerky I can't get tvtime to work to check out the card, giving an error about YUY2 Hardware video overlays, also xvinfo reports no adaptors present. The box has an intel videoset (Intel 82865G) Right now I don't know if its the intel graphics, the hauppauge card or the Karmic beta ? Does anyone have any ideas ? Is anyone else running myth successfully on an Evo D530 Thanks, Paul. From fatgerman at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 31 12:09:31 2009 From: fatgerman at ntlworld.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:09:31 +0000 Subject: Can't get Myth on Kubuntu 9.10 Karmic Beta to work - no sound, poor video In-Reply-To: <4AEC126E.30103@paulhurley.co.uk> References: <4AEC126E.30103@paulhurley.co.uk> Message-ID: <200910311209.31813.fatgerman@ntlworld.com> On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 10:33:18 Paul wrote: > I've got an old Dell system running Kubuntu 8.04 and Myth quite well > using a Hauppauge Nova DVB-T stick. Seeing that Karmic 9.10 will use > Myth 0.22 I thought I'd try to update things. I've scrounged a HP Compaq > Evo D530 box (typical office PC, P4 2.66Ghz, 1Gb Mem small form factor > etc) and a Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE card. > > I planned to install the beta, play about getting the box to record off > of my Sky box analogue output, then install the final release and add > the DVB-T stick. However I have several issues with the beta that I > can't get around; > > I don't have any sound from the PVR150. This is both from the box, or > from recordings I watch on another box after downloading > Video playback is jerky > I can't get tvtime to work to check out the card, giving an error about > YUY2 Hardware video overlays, also xvinfo reports no adaptors present. > The box has an intel videoset (Intel 82865G) > > Right now I don't know if its the intel graphics, the hauppauge card or > the Karmic beta ? Does anyone have any ideas ? Is anyone else running > myth successfully on an Evo D530 > > Thanks, > > Paul. > > I've just been playing with mythtv on Karmic and I've had a hell of a time making it work compared with 9.04. Now I don't know whether your problem is the same as mine - the symptoms are completely different but I've found a lot of references to this issue while Googling recently, so you never know. In my case, I renamed the file ~/.ICEAuthority and all my problems went away. Trouble is, that file is needed by other things (notably ssh) so this isn't really a cure, which is why I said rename it. I deleted mine and now I think I may have to reinstall. Mark From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 14:26:04 2009 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:26:04 -0500 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: <200910311008.58004.kaj@haulrich.net> References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910311008.58004.kaj@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 31 October 2009 04:08:57 am Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2009 07:17:24 Jerry Lapham wrote: > > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but > > previously formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little > > leary, but I think I let it default to installing grub2 on > > dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from Kubuntu 9.04 on > > dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. > > > > I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add > > Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 > > on dev/sda6. I did it and rebooted but when I clicked on > > Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. > > > > How do I get 9.10 to boot? > > Grub2 is a different beast from grub legacy. No menu.lst anymore. > In /boot/grub, you'll find a file called grub.cfg, but - as it > clearly says: - don't edit this file. > > Instead, you'll find a file in /etc/default called grub. This one is > editable and after editing one must run: 'sudo update-grub2'. > > While doing so, it will search for other bootable partitions, and > create a new boot menu. > > In your case, I would simply try to run 'sudo update-grub2' and see > what happens. > > I've had countless problems with grub2 myself during the alpha-beta > phase, and the documentation is sparse - to say the least. So, > before you edit /etc/default/grub, save it under another name, i.e. > 'grub_original'. That way you can restore it - if need be from a > live CD, if the system will not boot at all. > > HTH > > Kaj Haulrich. > This is unbelievable!. Why go from the simple, easy to config setup that everyone was comfy with, that required no afterward compile, (as was the big complaint with LILO)? Why do we need GRUB now, since it now has the same ridiculous problem that LILO was so maligned for? Stupid. Also, can someone please explain why it needed a "grub2"? What, exactly, was wrong with grub legacy? -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From jonorland at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 14:48:37 2009 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:48:37 +0100 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910311008.58004.kaj@haulrich.net> <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/10/31 Howard Coles Jr. : > On Saturday 31 October 2009 04:08:57 am Kaj Haulrich wrote: >> On Saturday 31 October 2009 07:17:24 Jerry Lapham wrote: >> > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but >> >  previously formatted partition on my laptop.  I was a little >> >  leary, but I think I let it default to installing grub2 on >> >  dev/sda.  When I rebooted, the grub menu from Kubuntu 9.04 on >> >  dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. >> > >> > I thought, well, that was probably a good thing.  I'd just add >> >  Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 >> >  on dev/sda6.  I did it and rebooted but when I clicked on >> >  Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. >> > >> > How do I get 9.10 to boot? >> >> Grub2 is a different beast from grub legacy. No menu.lst anymore. >> In /boot/grub, you'll find a file called grub.cfg, but - as it >> clearly says: - don't edit this file. >> >> Instead, you'll find a file in /etc/default called grub. This one is >> editable and after editing one must run: 'sudo update-grub2'. >> >> While doing so, it will search for other bootable partitions, and >> create a new boot menu. >> >> In your case, I would simply try to run 'sudo update-grub2' and see >> what happens. >> >> I've had countless problems with grub2 myself during the alpha-beta >> phase, and the documentation is sparse - to say the least. So, >> before you edit /etc/default/grub, save it under another name, i.e. >> 'grub_original'. That way you can restore it - if need be from a >> live CD, if the system will not boot at all. >> >> HTH >> >> Kaj Haulrich. >> > > This is unbelievable!.  Why go from the simple, easy to config setup that > everyone was comfy with, that required no afterward compile, (as was the big > complaint with LILO)?  Why do we need GRUB now, since it now has the same > ridiculous problem that LILO was so maligned for?  Stupid.  Also, can someone > please explain why it needed a "grub2"?  What, exactly, was wrong with grub > legacy? > It was to static and only worked on PC if i remember right. You don't have to compile it, you can still edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg by hand but you can also add your options to /etc/grub.d/40_custom and /etc/default/grub and it will be added next time the update is run. / Jonas From dhcolesj at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 15:04:51 2009 From: dhcolesj at gmail.com (Howard Coles Jr.) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:04:51 -0500 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910311008.58004.kaj@haulrich.net> <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910311004.51262.dhcolesj@gmail.com> On Saturday 31 October 2009 09:26:04 am Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2009 04:08:57 am Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > On Saturday 31 October 2009 07:17:24 Jerry Lapham wrote: > > > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but > > > previously formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little > > > leary, but I think I let it default to installing grub2 on > > > dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from Kubuntu 9.04 on > > > dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. > > > > > > I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add > > > Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 > > > on dev/sda6. I did it and rebooted but when I clicked on > > > Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. > > > > > > How do I get 9.10 to boot? > > > > Grub2 is a different beast from grub legacy. No menu.lst anymore. > > In /boot/grub, you'll find a file called grub.cfg, but - as it > > clearly says: - don't edit this file. > > > > Instead, you'll find a file in /etc/default called grub. This one is > > editable and after editing one must run: 'sudo update-grub2'. > > > > While doing so, it will search for other bootable partitions, and > > create a new boot menu. > > > > In your case, I would simply try to run 'sudo update-grub2' and see > > what happens. > > > > I've had countless problems with grub2 myself during the alpha-beta > > phase, and the documentation is sparse - to say the least. So, > > before you edit /etc/default/grub, save it under another name, i.e. > > 'grub_original'. That way you can restore it - if need be from a > > live CD, if the system will not boot at all. > > > > HTH > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > This is unbelievable!. Why go from the simple, easy to config setup that > everyone was comfy with, that required no afterward compile, (as was the > big complaint with LILO)? Why do we need GRUB now, since it now has the > same ridiculous problem that LILO was so maligned for? Stupid. Also, can > someone please explain why it needed a "grub2"? What, exactly, was wrong > with grub legacy? > Oops. The "Stupid" part above was supposed to be in an IM session, DOH! I thought I was typing in one window and was typing in another. My bad. -- See Ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 31 15:07:16 2009 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:07:16 -0400 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910311107.16784.bmarsh@bmarsh.com> On Saturday 31 October 2009, Jonas Norlander wrote: > It was to static and only worked on PC if i remember right. You don't > have to compile it, you can still edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg by hand but > you can also add your options to /etc/grub.d/40_custom and > /etc/default/grub and it will be added next time the update is run. > I also recall that LILO doesn't allow you to edit anything on the fly. But it's been about 8 yrs since I've used lilo. From christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk Sat Oct 31 15:12:12 2009 From: christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk (Chan Chung Hang Christopher) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:12:12 +0800 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910311008.58004.kaj@haulrich.net> <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AEC53CC.6090106@bradbury.edu.hk> > This is unbelievable!. Why go from the simple, easy to config setup that > everyone was comfy with, that required no afterward compile, (as was the big > complaint with LILO)? Why do we need GRUB now, since it now has the same > ridiculous problem that LILO was so maligned for? Stupid. Also, can someone > please explain why it needed a "grub2"? What, exactly, was wrong with grub > legacy? > > Well, it has proven to be a give and take at the moment. grub2 can boot a kernel on a filesystem that is on a lvm. grub cannot. However, grub supports pxe whereas grub2 does not yet. grub2 also has a whole lot more but I have not had time to check them out yet besides its design change to a modular program instead of compile time only grub. From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 16:59:05 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:59:05 -0400 Subject: Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks In-Reply-To: <200910300850.51184.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <1256878662.2509.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910300850.51184.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1257008345.10340.3.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 08:50 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: > On Friday 30 October 2009 12:57:42 am Ric Moore wrote: > > I tried to remove this little innocuous stinker of a game and it wants > > to remove KDE-FULL. Huh, just checked that package, before I hit the > > shiny red-button, and that seems to include my whole $%^& KDE desktop. > > Just wondered who has the brain today and if they would PLEASE pass it > > around?? Cannot someone make it a rule to NOT dEsTrOy the user's > > installation when removing a package?? > > > > That would be very nice. Especially for a newb that spent a week > > dnloading kubuntu, via a tin can in a third world country, and then > > hoses the entire install removing "Hunt The Wumpus". > > > > Can we be mindful and "JUST SAY NO!" ?? We need a "No Delete Desktop" > > Czar (Dept of Homeland NDD) to oversee these things. X{ Ric > > > kde-full? That package is a meta-package it is used simply to depend on > other packages. it isn't usually installed, or necessary - it basically tells > the package manager to install literally the entire set of KDE packages. I > believe it is a Debian thing that gets carried over. > > Maybe run the the command line to remove the game and post the results > so we can see exactly what is happening? When I try removing the game, it > only wants to remove itself and the meta-package kdegames. Wouldn't just removing itself be sufficient??? That's all I wanted it to do, not dink with anything else, even meta-packages. It's scary as heck to see KDE-FULL invoked and I'm not about to beta-test it's removal. I may be ignorant but I don't want to be stupid. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From wayward4now at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 17:02:25 2009 From: wayward4now at gmail.com (Ric Moore) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:02:25 -0400 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: <200910311004.51262.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910311008.58004.kaj@haulrich.net> <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200910311004.51262.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1257008545.10340.4.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 10:04 -0500, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2009 09:26:04 am Howard Coles Jr. wrote: > > On Saturday 31 October 2009 04:08:57 am Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > > On Saturday 31 October 2009 07:17:24 Jerry Lapham wrote: > > > > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but > > > > previously formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little > > > > leary, but I think I let it default to installing grub2 on > > > > dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from Kubuntu 9.04 on > > > > dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. > > > > > > > > I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add > > > > Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 > > > > on dev/sda6. I did it and rebooted but when I clicked on > > > > Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. > > > > > > > > How do I get 9.10 to boot? > > > > > > Grub2 is a different beast from grub legacy. No menu.lst anymore. > > > In /boot/grub, you'll find a file called grub.cfg, but - as it > > > clearly says: - don't edit this file. > > > > > > Instead, you'll find a file in /etc/default called grub. This one is > > > editable and after editing one must run: 'sudo update-grub2'. > > > > > > While doing so, it will search for other bootable partitions, and > > > create a new boot menu. > > > > > > In your case, I would simply try to run 'sudo update-grub2' and see > > > what happens. > > > > > > I've had countless problems with grub2 myself during the alpha-beta > > > phase, and the documentation is sparse - to say the least. So, > > > before you edit /etc/default/grub, save it under another name, i.e. > > > 'grub_original'. That way you can restore it - if need be from a > > > live CD, if the system will not boot at all. > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > > > This is unbelievable!. Why go from the simple, easy to config setup that > > everyone was comfy with, that required no afterward compile, (as was the > > big complaint with LILO)? Why do we need GRUB now, since it now has the > > same ridiculous problem that LILO was so maligned for? Stupid. Also, can > > someone please explain why it needed a "grub2"? What, exactly, was wrong > > with grub legacy? > > > > Oops. The "Stupid" part above was supposed to be in an IM session, DOH! I > thought I was typing in one window and was typing in another. My bad. Heh, tell us what you really think, Howard! :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 https://nuoar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 434-774-4987 From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sat Oct 31 17:53:19 2009 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:53:19 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu 9.04 Krename audio tag support In-Reply-To: <200910301330.02195.valtermura@gmail.com> References: <200910231632.06740.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <200910301330.02195.valtermura@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910311753.19666.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Friday 30 Oct 2009 12:30:01 Valter Mura wrote: > venerdì 23 ottobre 2009 Mark Fraser ha scritto: > > I recently wanted to rename a mp3 file with KRneame so that the filename > > matched the id3 tags - something that I used to do quite a bit with 8.04 > > - but there doesn't seem to be any way of doing it in 9.04. Unless of > > course I'm missing something. > > What about using Kid3? I use it and I'm very happy. > That allows you to edit the id3 tags, I want to rename the *filename* of the track based on the id3 tags. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 31 18:03:31 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:03:31 -0400 Subject: Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks In-Reply-To: <1257008345.10340.3.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> References: <1256878662.2509.70.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> <200910300850.51184.claydoh@midmaine.com> <1257008345.10340.3.camel@iam.wayward4now.net> Message-ID: <200910311403.32177.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 31 October 2009 12:59:05 pm Ric Moore wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 08:50 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Friday 30 October 2009 12:57:42 am Ric Moore wrote: > > > I tried to remove this little innocuous stinker of a game and it wants > > > to remove KDE-FULL. Huh, just checked that package, before I hit the > > > shiny red-button, and that seems to include my whole $%^& KDE desktop. > > > Just wondered who has the brain today and if they would PLEASE pass it > > > around?? Cannot someone make it a rule to NOT dEsTrOy the user's > > > installation when removing a package?? > > > > > > That would be very nice. Especially for a newb that spent a week > > > dnloading kubuntu, via a tin can in a third world country, and then > > > hoses the entire install removing "Hunt The Wumpus". > > > > > > Can we be mindful and "JUST SAY NO!" ?? We need a "No Delete Desktop" > > > Czar (Dept of Homeland NDD) to oversee these things. X{ Ric > > > > kde-full? That package is a meta-package it is used simply to depend on > > other packages. it isn't usually installed, or necessary - it basically > > tells the package manager to install literally the entire set of KDE > > packages. I believe it is a Debian thing that gets carried over. > > > > Maybe run the the command line to remove the game and post the results > > so we can see exactly what is happening? When I try removing the game, it > > only wants to remove itself and the meta-package kdegames. > > Wouldn't just removing itself be sufficient??? That's all I wanted it to > do, not dink with anything else, even meta-packages. It's scary as heck > to see KDE-FULL invoked and I'm not about to beta-test it's removal. > > I may be ignorant but I don't want to be stupid. :) Ric > well running the command will show *exactly* what individual packages will be removed, then you just say no when it asks. That way we can see *exactly* what the package manager is really doing back there. if the only packages being removed are the meta-packages, you are fine, and is completely normal and safe. If you didn't remove the meta-package, every time there was an update, the particular bit you removed (kblocks) would be reinstalled as the meta-package (kde-full) has kblocks as a dependency requirement, that is it's only -purpose. Removing the meta- package does NOT remove anything else but itself. The package kubuntu-desktop is a similar meta-package, but it doesn't install literally every bit of KDE and its requirements like kde-full does, just the kubuntu-specific stuff and what was chosen as the default set of things. The description for Kubuntu-created kubunu-desktop package even notes that it is safe to remove: " It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are not desired" unfortunately, the kde-full package is a Debian package probably automatically converted to Ubuntu's less-maintained Universe repository. clay clay From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 31 18:10:41 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:10:41 -0400 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910311410.41377.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 31 October 2009, Jonas Norlander wrote: >2009/10/31 Howard Coles Jr. : >> On Saturday 31 October 2009 04:08:57 am Kaj Haulrich wrote: >>> On Saturday 31 October 2009 07:17:24 Jerry Lapham wrote: >>> > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but >>> > previously formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little >>> > leary, but I think I let it default to installing grub2 on >>> > dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from Kubuntu 9.04 on >>> > dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. >>> > >>> > I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add >>> > Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 >>> > on dev/sda6. I did it and rebooted but when I clicked on >>> > Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. >>> > >>> > How do I get 9.10 to boot? >>> >>> Grub2 is a different beast from grub legacy. No menu.lst anymore. >>> In /boot/grub, you'll find a file called grub.cfg, but - as it >>> clearly says: - don't edit this file. >>> >>> Instead, you'll find a file in /etc/default called grub. This one is >>> editable and after editing one must run: 'sudo update-grub2'. >>> >>> While doing so, it will search for other bootable partitions, and >>> create a new boot menu. >>> >>> In your case, I would simply try to run 'sudo update-grub2' and see >>> what happens. >>> >>> I've had countless problems with grub2 myself during the alpha-beta >>> phase, and the documentation is sparse - to say the least. So, >>> before you edit /etc/default/grub, save it under another name, i.e. >>> 'grub_original'. That way you can restore it - if need be from a >>> live CD, if the system will not boot at all. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Kaj Haulrich. >> >> This is unbelievable!. Why go from the simple, easy to config setup that >> everyone was comfy with, that required no afterward compile, (as was the >> big complaint with LILO)? Why do we need GRUB now, since it now has the >> same ridiculous problem that LILO was so maligned for? Stupid. Also, >> can someone please explain why it needed a "grub2"? What, exactly, was >> wrong with grub legacy? > >It was to static and only worked on PC if i remember right. You don't >have to compile it, you can still edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg by hand but >you can also add your options to /etc/grub.d/40_custom and >/etc/default/grub and it will be added next time the update is run. > >/ Jonas I have been editing grub.conf or menu.lst, depending on the distro, since grub was intro'd & long before the scant docs on grub were supplied in a readable by the unwashed format(and they _still_ need help, starting with a translation to _real_ English). Here, the way I do it It Just Works(TM). I have to fix it up every time a new kernel is installed by rpm because that auto edit screws up my personal methods of tracking the installs. Why? Currently running 2.6.32-rc5 on an F10 system. I also have a couple LTS boxes. So let me join the chorus of gored oxen screaming that all these attempts to automate this thing for windows users can only screw it to hell and back for those of us doing real work, on real linux, on our machines. Grub2 indeed... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. "... the Mayo Clinic, named after its founder, Dr. Ted Clinic ..." -- Dave Barry From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sat Oct 31 18:12:19 2009 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:12:19 -0400 Subject: Grub and Grub2 don't get along? In-Reply-To: <200910311004.51262.dhcolesj@gmail.com> References: <200910310217.24429.rjlapham@gmail.com> <200910310926.04616.dhcolesj@gmail.com> <200910311004.51262.dhcolesj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910311412.19424.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 31 October 2009, Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >On Saturday 31 October 2009 09:26:04 am Howard Coles Jr. wrote: >> On Saturday 31 October 2009 04:08:57 am Kaj Haulrich wrote: >> > On Saturday 31 October 2009 07:17:24 Jerry Lapham wrote: >> > > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7, an empty but >> > > previously formatted partition on my laptop. I was a little >> > > leary, but I think I let it default to installing grub2 on >> > > dev/sda. When I rebooted, the grub menu from Kubuntu 9.04 on >> > > dev/sda5 was displayed with no way to boot 9.10. >> > > >> > > I thought, well, that was probably a good thing. I'd just add >> > > Kubuntu 9.10 on dev/sda7 to that menu like I had Mandriva 2009 >> > > on dev/sda6. I did it and rebooted but when I clicked on >> > > Kubuntu 9.10 it took me to a grub prompt. >> > > >> > > How do I get 9.10 to boot? >> > >> > Grub2 is a different beast from grub legacy. No menu.lst anymore. >> > In /boot/grub, you'll find a file called grub.cfg, but - as it >> > clearly says: - don't edit this file. >> > >> > Instead, you'll find a file in /etc/default called grub. This one is >> > editable and after editing one must run: 'sudo update-grub2'. >> > >> > While doing so, it will search for other bootable partitions, and >> > create a new boot menu. >> > >> > In your case, I would simply try to run 'sudo update-grub2' and see >> > what happens. >> > >> > I've had countless problems with grub2 myself during the alpha-beta >> > phase, and the documentation is sparse - to say the least. So, >> > before you edit /etc/default/grub, save it under another name, i.e. >> > 'grub_original'. That way you can restore it - if need be from a >> > live CD, if the system will not boot at all. >> > >> > HTH >> > >> > Kaj Haulrich. >> >> This is unbelievable!. Why go from the simple, easy to config setup that >> everyone was comfy with, that required no afterward compile, (as was the >> big complaint with LILO)? Why do we need GRUB now, since it now has the >> same ridiculous problem that LILO was so maligned for? Stupid. Also, >> can someone please explain why it needed a "grub2"? What, exactly, was >> wrong with grub legacy? > >Oops. The "Stupid" part above was supposed to be in an IM session, DOH! I >thought I was typing in one window and was typing in another. My bad. > No, it wasn't your bad, Howard, it needed to be said, by enough of us to make a difference. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. Anyway, Zen And Art Of Feeding Patches Into Tree is a topic for a different thread... - Al Viro on linux-kernel From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 18:30:11 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:30:11 -0600 Subject: Q: how to configure 9.10 LCD weather plasmoid? Message-ID: <4AEC8233.1090604@gmail.com> I just upgraded from jaunty to karmic. The first thing I'm presented with is a request to configure the two LCD weather plasmoids that are on my desktop. (I don't know why the configuration didn't carry over from 9.04, but that's a minor niggle.) The problem is that when I try to configure them, it seems that whatever I enter in the "City" box produces zero results... so I can't configure them. What am I doing wrong? Or this a new bug? (I'm selecting the NOAA source, since I'm in the US.) Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From tanghus at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 18:51:15 2009 From: tanghus at gmail.com (Thomas Olsen) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:51:15 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu a dist in crisis? In-Reply-To: <200910302048.53505.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AE2BA9E.504@gmail.com> <200910302048.53505.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200910311951.15720.tanghus@gmail.com> On 31/10-2009 01:48 Clay Weber wrote: > On Friday 30 October 2009 02:29:33 pm Derek Broughton wrote: > > O. Sinclair wrote: > > > Gentlemen, has not this discussion left the topic in question since > > > quite some time? > > > > I sooo hate net police. > > Wow, I wouldn't even consider that even the net Neighborhood Watch :/ > > > > If you feel like arguing on about programming languages > > > I suggest a separate thread or, better yet, another mailing list for > > > that discussion. > > > > I suggest the delete key. > > But that sure is a lot of useless reading and deleting. It was a polite > suggestion, a motion I would like to second. > > Clay > +1 -- Best Regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Olsen From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 19:14:33 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:14:33 -0600 Subject: glacial window management on karmic Message-ID: <4AEC8C99.8010909@gmail.com> Hmmmm... This is extremely obnoxious, and I can't find anything obvious that's wrong... Following my upgrade to karmic: 1. dragging windows around the screen is annoyingly slow; 2. yakuake and other windows are perceptibly delayed before displaying Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to get mack the zippy desktop that I'm used to? ATI Radeon HD 4670 (worked fine on jaunty). No compositing enabled (indeed, karmic won't even LET me enable compositing, though jaunty did). I haven't changed any related settings (although maybe the upgrade did). Looking in the hardware drivers tool, it says that the ATI/AMD proprietary fglrx driver is "activated but not currently in use". I don't see any way to activate it (nor do I know whether that would be a good idea, although I *think* that it was being used in jaunty). Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Switching to the fglrx driver fixed it. I suggest you try figuring out how to enable that driver. Unfortunately I don't have any hardware running ubuntu 9.10 with ATI video, so cannot really help much. Maybe someone who does can. Chris From GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com Sat Oct 31 19:55:02 2009 From: GrokIt at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey Sr.) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:55:02 -0400 Subject: Q: how to configure 9.10 LCD weather plasmoid? In-Reply-To: <4AEC8233.1090604@gmail.com> References: <4AEC8233.1090604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910311555.02867.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> On Saturday 31 October 2009 02:30:11 pm D. R. Evans wrote: > I just upgraded from jaunty to karmic. > > The first thing I'm presented with is a request to configure the two LCD > weather plasmoids that are on my desktop. (I don't know why the > configuration didn't carry over from 9.04, but that's a minor niggle.) > > The problem is that when I try to configure them, it seems that whatever I > enter in the "City" box produces zero results... so I can't configure them. > > What am I doing wrong? Or this a new bug? > > (I'm selecting the NOAA source, since I'm in the US.) > > Doc > Are you entering a city on the NOAA list? In one of the Alpha versions I ran into the same problem and had to enter a city near me instead of my own. I forgot where I found the list, but copy and paste the name into the 'City' box and it should work. :/ -- Alan "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:03:41 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:03:41 +0200 Subject: Q: how to configure 9.10 LCD weather plasmoid? In-Reply-To: <4AEC8233.1090604@gmail.com> References: <4AEC8233.1090604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910311303u732497eer4588e7d0728e37ee@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/31 D. R. Evans : > I just upgraded from jaunty to karmic. > > The first thing I'm presented with is a request to configure the two LCD > weather plasmoids that are on my desktop. (I don't know why the > configuration didn't carry over from 9.04, but that's a minor niggle.) > > The problem is that when I try to configure them, it seems that whatever I > enter in the "City" box produces zero results... so I can't configure them. > > What am I doing wrong? Or this a new bug? > > (I'm selecting the NOAA source, since I'm in the US.) > >  Doc > I can confirm this issue using the BBC source. I am using the other weather plasmoid in the meantime. Actually, I would like to use YAWP [1] but I am having a hard time installing it and I cannot find a .deb package. [1] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/yaWP+%28Yet+Another+Weather+Plasmoid%29?content=94106 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:06:58 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:06:58 -0600 Subject: glacial window management on karmic In-Reply-To: References: <4AEC8C99.8010909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AEC98E2.8060103@gmail.com> Chris Jones said the following at 10/31/2009 01:40 PM : > Hi, > >> Looking in the hardware drivers tool, it says that the ATI/AMD >> proprietary >> fglrx driver is "activated but not currently in use". I don't see >> any way >> to activate it (nor do I know whether that would be a good idea, >> although I >> *think* that it was being used in jaunty). > > I suspect not using fglrx is your problem. I had a very similar issue > on some other machines (not ubuntu, Scientific Linux, but I doubt that > matters in this case). By default after installation they did not use > flgrx, even though they had ATI hardware. Graphics performance was > terrible, like you describe. Switching to the fglrx driver fixed it. > > I suggest you try figuring out how to enable that driver. > Unfortunately I don't have any hardware running ubuntu 9.10 with ATI > video, so cannot really help much. Maybe someone who does can. > After several forced reboots caused by an uncountable number of crashes of system-related KDE applications (I suppose probably all I really needed to do was log out each time, but I'm paranoid), the system seems much more stable now (meaning, no crashes in the past ten minutes)... and I noticed that windows are zippy again... and on investigation, the fglrx driver is now being used. I never did find out a way for me to configure it to be used. I seem to recall that when I did the hardy -> jaunty upgrade, although the detailed symptoms were different, it took several reboots before the system was stable enough for use. I had forgotten that, but the pain of the past couple of hours reminded me. Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:10:10 2009 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:10:10 -0600 Subject: Q: how to configure 9.10 LCD weather plasmoid? In-Reply-To: <200910311555.02867.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> References: <4AEC8233.1090604@gmail.com> <200910311555.02867.GrokIt@ajinfosearch.com> Message-ID: <4AEC99A2.3020607@gmail.com> Alan Dacey Sr. said the following at 10/31/2009 01:55 PM : > On Saturday 31 October 2009 02:30:11 pm D. R. Evans wrote: >> I just upgraded from jaunty to karmic. >> >> The first thing I'm presented with is a request to configure the two LCD >> weather plasmoids that are on my desktop. (I don't know why the >> configuration didn't carry over from 9.04, but that's a minor niggle.) >> >> The problem is that when I try to configure them, it seems that whatever I >> enter in the "City" box produces zero results... so I can't configure them. > > Are you entering a city on the NOAA list? In one of the Alpha versions I ran > into the same problem and had to enter a city near me instead of my own. I > forgot where I found the list, but copy and paste the name into the 'City' box > and it should work. :/ Yes, I tried entering all kinds of things, and nothing ever happened (not even an error message). However, since the system became more stable following a series of reboots, I see that the behaviour of the plasmoid now is different, and it's easy to configure (and now I get an error message when I try to enter cities it doesn't know about, which is different from what was happening earlier). Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claydoh at midmaine.com Sat Oct 31 20:13:49 2009 From: claydoh at midmaine.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:13:49 -0400 Subject: Q: how to configure 9.10 LCD weather plasmoid? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910311303u732497eer4588e7d0728e37ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AEC8233.1090604@gmail.com> <880dece00910311303u732497eer4588e7d0728e37ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910311613.49418.claydoh@midmaine.com> On Saturday 31 October 2009 04:03:41 pm Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/10/31 D. R. Evans : > > I just upgraded from jaunty to karmic. > > > > The first thing I'm presented with is a request to configure the two LCD > > weather plasmoids that are on my desktop. (I don't know why the > > configuration didn't carry over from 9.04, but that's a minor niggle.) > > > > The problem is that when I try to configure them, it seems that whatever > > I enter in the "City" box produces zero results... so I can't configure > > them. > > > > What am I doing wrong? Or this a new bug? > > > > (I'm selecting the NOAA source, since I'm in the US.) > > > > Doc > > I can confirm this issue using the BBC source. I am using the other > weather plasmoid in the meantime. > > Actually, I would like to use YAWP [1] but I am having a hard time > installing it and I cannot find a .deb package. > > [1] > http://www.kde- look.org/content/show.php/yaWP+%28Yet+Another+Weather+Plasm > oid%29?content=94106 > there is a nice collection of plasma widgets including yawp on sam rog's PPA: https://edge.launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive/ppa clay From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 21:53:02 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:53:02 +0200 Subject: Q: how to configure 9.10 LCD weather plasmoid? In-Reply-To: <200910311613.49418.claydoh@midmaine.com> References: <4AEC8233.1090604@gmail.com> <880dece00910311303u732497eer4588e7d0728e37ee@mail.gmail.com> <200910311613.49418.claydoh@midmaine.com> Message-ID: <880dece00910311453q47e7d35fr437a1ac8e7f9fb7e@mail.gmail.com> > there is a nice collection of plasma widgets including yawp on sam rog's PPA: > https://edge.launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive/ppa > Thanks, Clay, that is great! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From dotancohen at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 21:55:30 2009 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:55:30 +0200 Subject: 9.10: No java? Message-ID: <880dece00910311455l445b42c5sbedbde97729bb57b@mail.gmail.com> Even after installing sun-java6-plugin and sun-java6-jre neither java.com nor Open Office seem to notice that I have Java installed. karmic1 at kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-jre [sudo] password for karmic1: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done sun-java6-plugin is already the newest version. sun-java6-jre is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. karmic1 at kubuntu:~$ Do I need to install anything else? Soft link? This is on Kubuntu 9.10, no additional sources added to apt. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il From kaj at haulrich.net Sat Oct 31 23:08:04 2009 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 00:08:04 +0100 Subject: 9.10: No java? In-Reply-To: <880dece00910311455l445b42c5sbedbde97729bb57b@mail.gmail.com> References: <880dece00910311455l445b42c5sbedbde97729bb57b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200911010008.05033.kaj@haulrich.net> On Saturday 31 October 2009 22:55:30 Dotan Cohen wrote: > Even after installing sun-java6-plugin and sun-java6-jre neither > java.com nor Open Office seem to notice that I have Java > installed. > > karmic1 at kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin > sun-java6-jre [sudo] password for karmic1: > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > sun-java6-plugin is already the newest version. > sun-java6-jre is already the newest version. > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > karmic1 at kubuntu:~$ > > Do I need to install anything else? Soft link? This is on Kubuntu > 9.10, no additional sources added to apt. Maybe the java version from karmic isn't the newest one. I had the same issue when checking with www.sun.com which told me that I did not have the latest version. So I installed the one from Sun and now it is recognized and works just fine. After that installation (running a script in the supplied tarfile) one has to manually symlink to the various plugins-directories, like: libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/java/jre1.6.0_16/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so which also tells us that the newest version is 1.6.0_16 HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --------- Running Linux Kubuntu 9.10 ---------