From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 03:41:39 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:41:39 +0200 Subject: 4.8 on 11.10 - problems with KAddressbook in KMail In-Reply-To: <4F285257.3010506@gmail.com> References: <4F227C30.6020500@gmail.com> <2064450.k9845f3vPM@linux1> <4F285257.3010506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F28B473.8050805@gmail.com> On 31/01/12 22:43, Valter Mura wrote: > Il 27/01/2012 15:55, Bruce Marshall ha scritto: >> On Friday, January 27, 2012 12:28:00 O. Sinclair wrote: >>> OK found a couple of problems now.. >>> >>> after upgrade to KDE 4.8 in Kubuntu 11.10 most things work fine or >>> great. >>> >>> But, once more, my KAdressbook (Personal Contacts) does not "auto fill >>> in or suggest" when I create a new mail. I get from "recent >>> addresses" only. >>> >>> And my distribution lists went missing again.. can it be THAT >>> complicated to make sure lists stay between upgrades? >>> >>> Anyone confirm the problem, or do not have the problem, or has a >>> solution I can try? >>> >>> Sinclair >> >> My personal contacts 'suggests' from time to time but only when you >> type in >> the full first name - - like 'bob' in the contact >> > > I think you have to check "System Settings/Kde Resources/Kde Resources > tab. There you can setup a new addressbook or an existing one. > > Ciao If it was that easy... KDE Resources is "depreciated", you will find that any Contacts created that way is "read-only". It is now done in Akonadi Resources - where I have tried all logical and a few more ways of creating, deleting, re-creating etc. my Personal Contacts. No, it simply is not working in 4.8 and I am very far from the only one having the problem. I reverted to 4.7.4 despite my liking other aspects of 4.8 much better. But I NEED my KMail to work - and Distribution Lists also stopped working in 4.8 Best Sinclair From thomas at tanghus.net Wed Feb 1 12:16:35 2012 From: thomas at tanghus.net (Thomas Tanghus Olsen) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:16:35 +0100 Subject: It's so nice not having to compile programs anymore... Message-ID: <2493650.NMTUGTognD@tanghus> ...but when you once in a while have to do it, I have totally forgotten how. I've downloaded http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fvhanda%2Fnepomuktagmanager.git&a=summary and of course I didn't have any dev packages installed, so I've installed: kde-sc-dev-latest kdesdk kdesdk-misc kdesdk-scripts but still get this error. Please remind my Swiss cheese brain what I need to install. CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in /home/[user]/.kde/share/apps;/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4- profile/default/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps On Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE SC 4.8. -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Thomas Tanghus Olsen From fatgerman at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 13:09:58 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:09:58 +0000 Subject: It's so nice not having to compile programs anymore... In-Reply-To: <2493650.NMTUGTognD@tanghus> References: <2493650.NMTUGTognD@tanghus> Message-ID: <2CF17CD4-63D5-4F31-AE00-317B1763B1C3@gmail.com> On 1 Feb 2012, at 12:16, Thomas Tanghus Olsen wrote: > ...but when you once in a while have to do it, I have totally forgotten how. > > I've downloaded > http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fvhanda%2Fnepomuktagmanager.git&a=summary > and of course I didn't have any dev packages installed, so I've installed: > > kde-sc-dev-latest kdesdk kdesdk-misc kdesdk-scripts > > but still get this error. Please remind my Swiss cheese brain what I need to > install. > > > CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): > ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in > /home/[user]/.kde/share/apps;/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4- > profile/default/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps > > On Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE SC 4.8. sudo apt-get build-dep will do it if you're just recompiling something that's already in the repos. Mark > > -- > Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards > > Thomas Tanghus Olsen > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From thomas at tanghus.net Wed Feb 1 13:26:55 2012 From: thomas at tanghus.net (Thomas Tanghus Olsen) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:26:55 +0100 Subject: It's so nice not having to compile programs anymore... In-Reply-To: <2CF17CD4-63D5-4F31-AE00-317B1763B1C3@gmail.com> References: <2493650.NMTUGTognD@tanghus> <2CF17CD4-63D5-4F31-AE00-317B1763B1C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2052822.eOQTNNozQz@tanghus> On Wednesday 01 February 2012 13:09 Mark Greenwood wrote: > On 1 Feb 2012, at 12:16, Thomas Tanghus Olsen wrote: > > ...but when you once in a while have to do it, I have totally forgotten > > how. > > > > I've downloaded > > http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fvhanda%2Fnepomuktagmanager.git&a=summ > > ary and of course I didn't have any dev packages installed, so I've > > installed: > > > > kde-sc-dev-latest kdesdk kdesdk-misc kdesdk-scripts > > > > but still get this error. Please remind my Swiss cheese brain what I need > > to install. > > > > CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): > > ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in > > /home/[user]/.kde/share/apps;/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4- > > > > profile/default/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps > > > > On Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE SC 4.8. > > sudo apt-get build-dep will do it if you're just > recompiling something that's already in the repos. It's not in the repos. It's the link I mentioned above. -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Thomas Tanghus Olsen From fatgerman at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 13:39:46 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:39:46 +0000 Subject: It's so nice not having to compile programs anymore... In-Reply-To: <2052822.eOQTNNozQz@tanghus> References: <2493650.NMTUGTognD@tanghus> <2CF17CD4-63D5-4F31-AE00-317B1763B1C3@gmail.com> <2052822.eOQTNNozQz@tanghus> Message-ID: On 1 Feb 2012, at 13:26, Thomas Tanghus Olsen wrote: > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 13:09 Mark Greenwood wrote: >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 12:16, Thomas Tanghus Olsen wrote: >>> ...but when you once in a while have to do it, I have totally forgotten >>> how. >>> >>> I've downloaded >>> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fvhanda%2Fnepomuktagmanager.git&a=summ >>> ary and of course I didn't have any dev packages installed, so I've >>> installed: >>> >>> kde-sc-dev-latest kdesdk kdesdk-misc kdesdk-scripts >>> >>> but still get this error. Please remind my Swiss cheese brain what I need >>> to install. >>> >>> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): >>> ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in >>> /home/[user]/.kde/share/apps;/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4- >>> >>> profile/default/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps >>> >>> On Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE SC 4.8. >> >> sudo apt-get build-dep will do it if you're just >> recompiling something that's already in the repos. > > It's not in the repos. It's the link I mentioned above. apt-file is very useful in these circumstances. It'll tell you which package contains the file you're looking for. I don't think it's installed by default. apt-file update apt-file search FindKDE4Internal.cmake On mine this comes up with kdelibs5-dev as the package you need. Mark > > -- > Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards > > Thomas Tanghus Olsen > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From thomas at tanghus.net Wed Feb 1 14:02:33 2012 From: thomas at tanghus.net (Thomas Tanghus Olsen) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:02:33 +0100 Subject: It's so nice not having to compile programs anymore... In-Reply-To: References: <2493650.NMTUGTognD@tanghus> <2052822.eOQTNNozQz@tanghus> Message-ID: <2362330.FiYq4HACb3@tanghus> On Wednesday 01 February 2012 13:39 Mark Greenwood wrote: > On 1 Feb 2012, at 13:26, Thomas Tanghus Olsen wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 13:09 Mark Greenwood wrote: > >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 12:16, Thomas Tanghus Olsen wrote: > >>> ...but when you once in a while have to do it, I have totally forgotten > >>> how. > >>> > >>> I've downloaded > >>> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fvhanda%2Fnepomuktagmanager.git&a=su > >>> mm > >>> ary and of course I didn't have any dev packages installed, so I've > >>> installed: > >>> > >>> kde-sc-dev-latest kdesdk kdesdk-misc kdesdk-scripts > >>> > >>> but still get this error. Please remind my Swiss cheese brain what I > >>> need > >>> to install. > >>> > >>> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): > >>> ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in > >>> /home/[user]/.kde/share/apps;/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4- > >>> > >>> profile/default/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps > >>> > >>> On Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE SC 4.8. > >> > >> sudo apt-get build-dep will do it if you're just > >> recompiling something that's already in the repos. > > > > It's not in the repos. It's the link I mentioned above. > > apt-file is very useful in these circumstances. It'll tell you which package > contains the file you're looking for. I don't think it's installed by > default. > > apt-file update > apt-file search FindKDE4Internal.cmake > > On mine this comes up with kdelibs5-dev as the package you need. Thank you :-) I hadn't thought of apt-file. -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Thomas Tanghus Olsen From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 15:17:59 2012 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs ) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:17:59 +0100 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? Message-ID: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Dear Everybody So far, I have been making backups from time to time via Dolphin or Midnight Commander: OK for one complete backup, but not effective for daily routine focussed at only newly added or changed files. Of course, I have been looking at this issue at the internet. Several packages and methods are being mentioned there. However, I am wondering which method(s) and package(s) work best in practice in my situation: Eee PC 1001 HA along with Kubuntu 11.04 or 11.10, in combination with two external mass storage devices - one HD to store at home, a 2nd one to always carry with me. In fact, I am looking for a package which is able to help me as follows: making a first complete backup from all the text files, images, photo's, video's, etc. at each of the 2 external devices; afterwords, making routine backups at each of the two devices while focussing only at files added or modified ever since the previous backup session. What else to take into account: I do not want to backup software which is available anyway in the repositories or elsewhere; My netbook does not run 24/24hours - so I prefer to regulate the time schedule manually instead of relying on some automatic schedule. Be so kind to provide me with you practical experience and thoughts. Thanks, respectfully yours, Bas Roufs. -- ==== Bas G. Roufs MA Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht +31 30 785 20 40 +31 6 446 835 10 BasRoufs at gmail.com OS: Linux Kubuntu 11.04, kubuntu.org Websites in construction: * rainbowgathering.eu * basroufs.eu * viaconsensus.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 22:29:19 2012 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:29:19 +0100 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <7100300.x4WyaFNzBt@sriley-t410> References: <4E233518-2318-4A1F-90E2-C3FF3BD95730@gmail.com> <7100300.x4WyaFNzBt@sriley-t410> Message-ID: <4179917.MxpCNIb8BQ@valter-rete> In data giovedì 19 gennaio 2012 10:55:54, Steve Riley ha scritto: > On 2012-01-19 13:52:44 Mark Greenwood wrote: > > On 18 Jan 2012, at 21:58, Steve Riley wrote: > > > We've been discussing over at the Kubuntu Forums how surprisingly stable > > > Precise, KDE 4.7.97 (4.8 rc2), and Qt 4.8 are. A few are using it as > > > their primary setup now. Akonadi (mostly) works well with Google, KMail > > > (mostly) behaves the way we'd like it to, > > > > I'd disagree entirely. it took me 4 attempts (and 3 crashes) to get KMail > > to check my gmail account, the setup wizard didn't work at all, and as I > > said I have to give akostrigimuk 350MB of RAM to stop it killing my > > system. As far as I can tell KDE4 gets worse with every release. > > Success seems to happen only if you follow a certain sequence of steps. > > $ akonadictl stop > $ rm -rfv ~/.local/share/akonadi* > $ rm -rfv ~/.config/akonadi/* > $ rm -rfv ~/.kde/share/config/* > $ akonadictl start > > Log into your Gmail account via the web. Go to mail settings | Forwarding > and POP/IMAP. Under "When I mark..." turn off auto-expunge. Under "When a > message..." select "Immediately delete." > > Then, in KMail, don't use the account wizard. Instead, manually configure > your Gmail settings. When configuring your IMAP resource, after entering > your Google credentials on the General tab, be sure to go to the Advanced > tab and click the Auto Detect button. > > Let KMail perform its initial sync, then close it. Now open it. Return to > the configuration window. Modify your identity and set your sent-mail and > drafts folders to the folders on Google. Modify your IMAP resource and set > the trash folder to Google. Hi, I have to say that, after having applied this procedure, Kmail seems to have start to work properly again, for which I am *very happy*. I've started to use it again! :) Ciao -- Valter *Open Source is better!* Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org KDE: www.kde.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org From stvrly at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 22:44:36 2012 From: stvrly at gmail.com (Steve Riley) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:44:36 -0800 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <4179917.MxpCNIb8BQ@valter-rete> References: <7100300.x4WyaFNzBt@sriley-t410> <4179917.MxpCNIb8BQ@valter-rete> Message-ID: <10628307.pnY2cXxGGm@sriley-t410> On 2012-02-03 23:29:19 Valter Mura wrote: > In data giovedì 19 gennaio 2012 10:55:54, Steve Riley ha scritto: > > Success seems to happen only if you follow a certain sequence of steps. > > > > $ akonadictl stop > > $ rm -rfv ~/.local/share/akonadi* > > $ rm -rfv ~/.config/akonadi/* > > $ rm -rfv ~/.kde/share/config/* > > $ akonadictl start > > > > Log into your Gmail account via the web. Go to mail settings | Forwarding > > and POP/IMAP. Under "When I mark..." turn off auto-expunge. Under "When a > > message..." select "Immediately delete." > > > > Then, in KMail, don't use the account wizard. Instead, manually configure > > your Gmail settings. When configuring your IMAP resource, after entering > > your Google credentials on the General tab, be sure to go to the Advanced > > tab and click the Auto Detect button. > > > > Let KMail perform its initial sync, then close it. Now open it. Return to > > the configuration window. Modify your identity and set your sent-mail and > > drafts folders to the folders on Google. Modify your IMAP resource and set > > the trash folder to Google. > > Hi, > > I have to say that, after having applied this procedure, Kmail seems to have > start to work properly again, for which I am *very happy*. I've started to > use it again! :) Cool! Glad it's working for you. The akonadi-kde-resource-googledata plugin now works for Google calendars in Korganizer, too. Well, it works for your primary calendar, anyway. If you have secondary Google calendars, you still need to configure CalDAV resources for those. See: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56434-SOLVED-sync-gmail-amp- kontact-amp-syncevloution-Kubicle-s-how-to&p=278847&viewfull=1#post278847 http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56434-SOLVED-sync-gmail-amp- kontact-amp-syncevloution-Kubicle-s-how-to&p=278862&viewfull=1#post278862 http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57137-kmail-gmail- headache&p=286439&viewfull=1#post286439 --Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fatgerman at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 23:34:00 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:34:00 +0000 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <10628307.pnY2cXxGGm@sriley-t410> References: <7100300.x4WyaFNzBt@sriley-t410> <4179917.MxpCNIb8BQ@valter-rete> <10628307.pnY2cXxGGm@sriley-t410> Message-ID: <9C2B359C-AB82-48FC-A68C-6DA4A51C071E@gmail.com> On 3 Feb 2012, at 22:44, Steve Riley wrote: > On 2012-02-03 23:29:19 Valter Mura wrote: > > In data giovedì 19 gennaio 2012 10:55:54, Steve Riley ha scritto: > > > Success seems to happen only if you follow a certain sequence of steps. > > > > > > $ akonadictl stop > > > $ rm -rfv ~/.local/share/akonadi* > > > $ rm -rfv ~/.config/akonadi/* > > > $ rm -rfv ~/.kde/share/config/* > > > $ akonadictl start > > > > > > Log into your Gmail account via the web. Go to mail settings | Forwarding > > > and POP/IMAP. Under "When I mark..." turn off auto-expunge. Under "When a > > > message..." select "Immediately delete." > > > > > > Then, in KMail, don't use the account wizard. Instead, manually configure > > > your Gmail settings. When configuring your IMAP resource, after entering > > > your Google credentials on the General tab, be sure to go to the Advanced > > > tab and click the Auto Detect button. > > > > > > Let KMail perform its initial sync, then close it. Now open it. Return to > > > the configuration window. Modify your identity and set your sent-mail and > > > drafts folders to the folders on Google. Modify your IMAP resource and set > > > the trash folder to Google. > > > > Hi, > > > > I have to say that, after having applied this procedure, Kmail seems to have > > start to work properly again, for which I am *very happy*. I've started to > > use it again! :) > > > Cool! Glad it's working for you. > > The akonadi-kde-resource-googledata plugin now works for Google calendars in Korganizer, too. Well, it works for your primary calendar, anyway. If you have secondary Google calendars, you still need to configure CalDAV resources for those. See: > > http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56434-SOLVED-sync-gmail-amp-kontact-amp-syncevloution-Kubicle-s-how-to&p=278847&viewfull=1#post278847 > > http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56434-SOLVED-sync-gmail-amp-kontact-amp-syncevloution-Kubicle-s-how-to&p=278862&viewfull=1#post278862 > > http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57137-kmail-gmail-headache&p=286439&viewfull=1#post286439 > > --Steve C'Mon people…. email is over 40 years old. It's no longer rocket science, it's an everyday activity. If it's this difficult to configure a client then something is very wrong with the client in terms of fundamental design. This shouldn't be tolerated in something which is released for general use. Shame on you, Kubuntu. Mark > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sat Feb 4 00:02:30 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:02:30 +1100 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F2C7596.50608@iinet.net.au> On 04/02/12 02:17, Bas G. Roufs wrote: > > Dear Everybody > > So far, I have been making backups from time to time via Dolphin or > Midnight Commander: OK for one complete backup, but not effective for > daily routine focussed at only newly added or changed files. Of > course, I have been looking at this issue at the internet. Several > packages and methods are being mentioned there. However, I am > wondering which method(s) and package(s) work best in practice in my > situation: Eee PC 1001 HA along with Kubuntu 11.04 or 11.10, in > combination with two external mass storage devices - one HD to store > at home, a 2nd one to always carry with me. In fact, I am looking for > a package which is able to help me as follows: > > * making a first complete backup from all the text files, images, > photo's, video's, etc. at each of the 2 external devices; > * afterwords, making routine backups at each of the two devices > while focussing only at files added or modified ever since the > previous backup session. > I don't the answer which you are seeking but I do have a suggestion as a work-around. Seeing as how you already use mc (Midnight Commander), you do know that you can click on the Column Heading "Modify Time" and the files get resorted with, say, latest down to earliest? But the other thing, of course, is that using mc you get to answer the question whether you want to overwrite files and according to the criterium you choose (eg, if size is different, if date is earlier, etc). > What else to take into account: > > * I do not want to backup software which is available anyway in the > repositories or elsewhere; > * My netbook does not run 24/24hours - so I prefer to regulate the > time schedule manually instead of relying on some automatic schedule. > > Be so kind to provide me with you practical experience and thoughts. > Thanks, respectfully yours, > > Bas Roufs. > BC -- A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" "Not yet," she replied. From paul at lemmons.name Sat Feb 4 01:39:52 2012 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:39:52 -0700 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: <4F2C7596.50608@iinet.net.au> References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> <4F2C7596.50608@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: I use a simple shell script that uses rsync. It works perfectly for me.I have included it below. What you will see is first a check to see if my external drive is mounted. It auto-mounts when plugged in. Next you will see several sections that create backups of specific directories. The cleverness of the script is in the rsync command used. What it does is create a complete backup of all files every night into a new directory. However, if the file has not changed from the last time it was backed up it simply creates a hard-link to the previous backed up file. You can delete old backups and still not lose access to the files that are refrenced in later backups because they still have a hard link assigned to them. This gives you the *appearance* of a full backup every night while only using the space required to hold the deltas and a little overhead for the hard links. When you do an ls on the backup directory you will see a something-current directory, which is the latest backup and then dated directories representing when their backups were taken. I have several versions of this script that operate in different ways but the concept is the same. I am sure with a little chin scratching you could modify it to meet your need. #!/bin/sh if [ -e $HOME/passport/backups ] then date=`date "+%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S"` echo "Backing up /home/paul" sudo rsync -axP --link-dest=$HOME/passport/backups/home-current /home/paul $HOME/passport/backups/home-back-$date if [ -e $HOME/passport/backups/home-back-$date ] then rm -f $HOME/passport/backups/home-current ln -s $HOME/passport/backups/home-back-$date $HOME/passport/backups/home-current fi echo "Backing up /etc" sudo rsync -axP --link-dest=$HOME/passport/backups/etc-current /etc $HOME/passport/backups/etc-back-$date if [ -e $HOME/passport/backups/etc-back-$date ] then rm -f $HOME/passport/backups/etc-current ln -s $HOME/passport/backups/etc-back-$date $HOME/passport/backups/etc-current fi echo "Backing up /var/www" sudo rsync -axP --link-dest=$HOME/passport/backups/www-current /var/www $HOME/passport/backups/www-back-$date if [ -e $HOME/passport/backups/www-back-$date ] then rm -f $HOME/passport/backups/www-current ln -s $HOME/passport/backups/www-back-$date $HOME/passport/backups/www-current fi else echo "Passport not mounted. Backup Aborting" fi On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 04/02/12 02:17, Bas G. Roufs wrote: > >> >> Dear Everybody >> >> So far, I have been making backups from time to time via Dolphin or >> Midnight Commander: OK for one complete backup, but not effective for daily >> routine focussed at only newly added or changed files. Of course, I have >> been looking at this issue at the internet. Several packages and methods >> are being mentioned there. However, I am wondering which method(s) and >> package(s) work best in practice in my situation: Eee PC 1001 HA along with >> Kubuntu 11.04 or 11.10, in combination with two external mass storage >> devices - one HD to store at home, a 2nd one to always carry with me. In >> fact, I am looking for a package which is able to help me as follows: >> >> * making a first complete backup from all the text files, images, >> photo's, video's, etc. at each of the 2 external devices; >> * afterwords, making routine backups at each of the two devices >> while focussing only at files added or modified ever since the >> previous backup session. >> >> > I don't the answer which you are seeking but I do have a suggestion as a > work-around. > > Seeing as how you already use mc (Midnight Commander), you do know that > you can click on the Column Heading "Modify Time" and the files get > resorted with, say, latest down to earliest? > > But the other thing, of course, is that using mc you get to answer the > question whether you want to overwrite files and according to the criterium > you choose (eg, if size is different, if date is earlier, etc). > > What else to take into account: >> >> * I do not want to backup software which is available anyway in the >> repositories or elsewhere; >> * My netbook does not run 24/24hours - so I prefer to regulate the >> time schedule manually instead of relying on some automatic schedule. >> >> Be so kind to provide me with you practical experience and thoughts. >> Thanks, respectfully yours, >> >> Bas Roufs. >> >> > BC > > -- > A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. > "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" > "Not yet," she replied. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. --Benjamin Franklin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stvrly at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 06:09:26 2012 From: stvrly at gmail.com (Steve Riley) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:09:26 -0800 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <9C2B359C-AB82-48FC-A68C-6DA4A51C071E@gmail.com> References: <10628307.pnY2cXxGGm@sriley-t410> <9C2B359C-AB82-48FC-A68C-6DA4A51C071E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1504794.CcSieHjbxF@x1> On 2012-02-03 23:34:00 Mark Greenwood wrote: > > C'Mon people…. email is over 40 years old. It's no longer rocket science, > it's an everyday activity. If it's this difficult to configure a client then > something is very wrong with the client in terms of fundamental design. This > shouldn't be tolerated in something which is released for general use. Shame > on you, Kubuntu. Well, I wouldn't be so quick to fault Kubuntu. Were I to engage in a bit of blamestorming, I'd throw some in Google's direction. If their IMAP were, oh I dunno, _standard_ or something like that, then maybe we wouldn't have so many problems. --Steve From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 07:29:23 2012 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:29:23 +1000 Subject: 4.8 - full of awesome Message-ID: <13838449.8Dg9ZnCOyh@lindsay-kubuntu-12> This blew me away - I have a large slow copy progressing (700MB across wireless to a samba share). The notifications widget shows its usual whirly thing - but the Icon for Dolphin in the "Icon-Only" taskbar is showing a dynamic progress bar! -- Lindsay From fatgerman at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 11:28:16 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 11:28:16 +0000 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <1504794.CcSieHjbxF@x1> References: <10628307.pnY2cXxGGm@sriley-t410> <9C2B359C-AB82-48FC-A68C-6DA4A51C071E@gmail.com> <1504794.CcSieHjbxF@x1> Message-ID: <6439B22A-963C-42EE-884B-78BEC2FB20F2@gmail.com> On 4 Feb 2012, at 06:09, Steve Riley wrote: > On 2012-02-03 23:34:00 Mark Greenwood wrote: >> >> C'Mon people…. email is over 40 years old. It's no longer rocket science, >> it's an everyday activity. If it's this difficult to configure a client then >> something is very wrong with the client in terms of fundamental design. This >> shouldn't be tolerated in something which is released for general use. Shame >> on you, Kubuntu. > > > Well, I wouldn't be so quick to fault Kubuntu. Were I to engage in a bit of > blamestorming, I'd throw some in Google's direction. If their IMAP were, oh I > dunno, _standard_ or something like that, then maybe we wouldn't have so many > problems. Works fine with Thunderbird and Apple Mail. And I don't think the fact the account wizard doesn't work, or the fact you have to do a sync, close KMail, then reopen it change yet more settings can be blamed on Google. Like I said. In Apple Mail and Thunderbird the setup procedure is : Enter email address and password. That's it. That's how it should be these days. Setting up KMail is like setting up email used to be in 1990. It's not good enough, and KMail used to be really good indeed. KDE4 seems to have so much emphasis on superficial bells and whistles while anything approaching functionality has been left till last. It really has all gone a bit Windows. Mark > > --Steve > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From rayburke30 at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 20:33:32 2012 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 07:33:32 +1100 Subject: disk check at boot up time Message-ID: can anyone help? I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal window when log into k10.10mm so as to force a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I boot up now is does the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to do this? ray From fatgerman at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 20:57:00 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 20:57:00 +0000 Subject: disk check at boot up time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4 Feb 2012, at 20:33, ray burke wrote: > can anyone help? > > I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal > window when log into > k10.10mm so as to force > a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I > boot up now is does > the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to do this? > touch simply creates an empty file, so I would assume sudo rm /forcefsk would do the trick, but better wait for an authoritative answer before you try this. Mark > ray > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Sat Feb 4 22:38:21 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:38:21 -0500 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F2DB35D.1040403@cfl.rr.com> On 02/03/2012 10:17 AM, Bas G. Roufs wrote: > > Dear Everybody > > So far, I have been making backups from time to time via Dolphin or > Midnight Commander: OK for one complete backup, but not effective for > daily routine focussed at only newly added or changed files. Of > course, I have been looking at this issue at the internet. Several > packages and methods are being mentioned there. However, I am > wondering which method(s) and package(s) work best in practice in my > situation: Eee PC 1001 HA along with Kubuntu 11.04 or 11.10, in > combination with two external mass storage devices - one HD to store > at home, a 2nd one to always carry with me. In fact, I am looking for > a package which is able to help me as follows: > > * making a first complete backup from all the text files, images, > photo's, video's, etc. at each of the 2 external devices; > * afterwords, making routine backups at each of the two devices > while focussing only at files added or modified ever since the > previous backup session. > > What else to take into account: > > * I do not want to backup software which is available anyway in the > repositories or elsewhere; > * My netbook does not run 24/24hours - so I prefer to regulate the > time schedule manually instead of relying on some automatic schedule. > > Be so kind to provide me with you practical experience and thoughts. > Thanks, respectfully yours, > > Bas Roufs. > -- > > ==== > > Bas G. Roufs MA > > Van 't Hoffstraat 1 > > NL-3514 VT Utrecht > > +31 30 785 20 40 > > +31 6 446 835 10 > > BasRoufs at gmail.com > > OS: Linux Kubuntu 11.04, kubuntu.org > > Websites in construction: > > * rainbowgathering.eu > > * basroufs.eu > > * viaconsensus.nl > > > > I would recommend using TARDIS. You can find it in the repositories and add it to the panel by selecting the widget. After that pick the directory you wish to backup and the directory you wish to backup to, with the time to perform the backup and you are all set. Hope this helps! Good luck! Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" "Not yet," she replied. From basroufs at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 23:10:09 2012 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 00:10:09 +0100 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: <4F2DB35D.1040403@cfl.rr.com> References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> <4F2DB35D.1040403@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Hello Tom You advised me the following: *I would recommend using TARDIS. You can find it in the repositories and add it to the panel by selecting the widget. After that pick the directory you wish to backup and the directory you wish to backup to, with the time to perform the backup and you are all set.* One question for now. TARDIS: is the page indicated below related to the package you are aiming at? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=148033 Respectfully yours, Bas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fatgerman at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 23:29:10 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 23:29:10 +0000 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> <4F2DB35D.1040403@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <6128ABE3-7F5A-488B-9C43-451235958C05@gmail.com> On 4 Feb 2012, at 23:10, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Tom > > You advised me the following: > > I would recommend using TARDIS. You can find it in the repositories and add it to the panel by selecting the widget. After that pick the directory you wish to backup and the directory you wish to backup to, with the time to perform the backup and you are all set. > > One question for now. TARDIS: is the page indicated below related to the package you are aiming at? > > http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=148033 > As the developer of TARDIS ( :) ) I can say yes it probably is. I refrained from recommending it to you since it won't quite do what you want because it won't back up to 2 different discs - it wasn't ever intended to do that. The basic idea of it though is probably what you need; you could use rsync and a couple of bash scripts to do manual incremental backups in the style of TARDIS, but without the automatic ageing. I'd be happy to advise if you like. Nice to see someone recommending it though :) Mark > Respectfully yours, > Bas. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And there is a more comprehensive fsck done after every > (?)20 boots of the system. > > BC > > -- > A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. > "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" > "Not yet," she replied. > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Basil, I agree with every 20 or so restarts but get a little annoying when it happens every boot? ray From rayburke30 at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 00:15:29 2012 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 11:15:29 +1100 Subject: Fwd: disk check at boot up time In-Reply-To: References: <4F2DB8C6.2040004@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ray burke Date: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:03 AM Subject: Re: disk check at boot up time To: Kubuntu user technical support On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 05/02/12 07:33, ray burke wrote: >> >> can anyone help? >> >> I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal >> window when log into >>  k10.10mm so as to force >> a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I >> boot up now is does >> the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to do >> this? >> >> ray > > > Why are you worried about it? > > A quick fsck is done everytime you boot to make sure that there has been no > corruption to your file sysem (assuming here that you have used ext3 or ext4 > when you installed). And there is a more comprehensive fsck done after every > (?)20 boots of the system. > > BC > > -- > A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. > "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" > "Not yet," she replied. > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Basil, I agree with every 20 or so restarts but get a little annoying when it happens every boot? ray ps is Mark correct? From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Feb 5 01:47:57 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:47:57 +1100 Subject: disk check at boot up time In-Reply-To: References: <4F2DB8C6.2040004@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F2DDFCD.7080201@iinet.net.au> On 05/02/12 11:03, ray burke wrote: > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 05/02/12 07:33, ray burke wrote: >>> can anyone help? >>> >>> I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal >>> window when log into >>> �k10.10mm so as to force >>> a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I >>> boot up now is does >>> the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to do >>> this? >>> >>> ray >> >> Why are you worried about it? >> >> A quick fsck is done everytime you boot to make sure that there has been no >> corruption to your file sysem (assuming here that you have used ext3 or ext4 >> when you installed). And there is a more comprehensive fsck done after every >> (?)20 boots of the system. >> >> BC >> >> -- >> A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. >> "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" >> "Not yet," she replied. >> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Basil, > > I agree with every 20 or so restarts but get a little annoying when it > happens every boot? And why not? Mine is checked at each boot. I have my home encrypted and so see the messages on the screen up to the point where I am asked for the passphrase to enter the home directory. If you look at your /var/log/dmesg log you will see the same. Don't forget that Linux is designed to be booted and allowed to run 24/7/365/n-years so when you switch your system off at night the system thinks that there was a reason why it had to be "re-booted" and therefore does a quick check. And if you keep doing it every night for 19 times on the 20th the system thinks, "Gosh, things ARE bad and I had better do a proper file system check". BC -- A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" "Not yet," she replied. From jbatt at bresnan.net Sun Feb 5 04:26:46 2012 From: jbatt at bresnan.net (John Batt) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:26:46 -0700 Subject: What is the best program to use for OCR Message-ID: <4F2E0506.4090301@bresnan.net> I have a book that I wrote 9 yrs ago and the original copy has been lost in numerous hard drives over the years. I have a hard copy left and don't really feel like retyping all 100 pages. What is the best software to use for OCR to get it into Libre/Open Office? From theuteck at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 04:37:19 2012 From: theuteck at gmail.com (theuteck at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:37:19 -0600 Subject: What is the best program to use for OCR In-Reply-To: <4F2E0506.4090301@bresnan.net> References: <4F2E0506.4090301@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <4259964.AfJ82nBtcW@allmine> On Saturday, February 04, 2012 09:26:46 PM John Batt wrote: > I have a book that I wrote 9 yrs ago and the original copy has been lost > in numerous hard drives over the years. I have a hard copy left and > don't really feel like retyping all 100 pages. What is the best > software to use for OCR to get it into Libre/Open Office? I have heard good things for tesseract-ocr, but gocr is also good. From paul at lemmons.name Sun Feb 5 04:39:01 2012 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 21:39:01 -0700 Subject: What is the best program to use for OCR In-Reply-To: <4259964.AfJ82nBtcW@allmine> References: <4F2E0506.4090301@bresnan.net> <4259964.AfJ82nBtcW@allmine> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 9:37 PM, wrote: > On Saturday, February 04, 2012 09:26:46 PM John Batt wrote: > > I have a book that I wrote 9 yrs ago and the original copy has been lost > > in numerous hard drives over the years. I have a hard copy left and > > don't really feel like retyping all 100 pages. What is the best > > software to use for OCR to get it into Libre/Open Office? > > I have heard good things for tesseract-ocr, but gocr is also good. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OCR -- Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. --Benjamin Franklin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 04:40:39 2012 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (eric jackson) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:40:39 -0500 Subject: What is the best program to use for OCR In-Reply-To: <4F2E0506.4090301@bresnan.net> References: <4F2E0506.4090301@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <4F2E0847.7080705@gmail.com> On 02/04/2012 11:26 PM, John Batt wrote: > I have a book that I wrote 9 yrs ago and the original copy has been > lost in numerous hard drives over the years. I have a hard copy left > and don't really feel like retyping all 100 pages. What is the best > software to use for OCR to get it into Libre/Open Office? There are several different OCR programs that are available.but there are also OCR services online, some are free and others charge a fee. I have found them to work better than the software that I have installed in Kubuntu. http://www.onlineocr.net/ http://www.newocr.com/ http://www.free-online-ocr.com/ I have tried these but you can find more using Google. Eric jackson From jonorland at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 07:19:01 2012 From: jonorland at gmail.com (Jonas Norlander) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:19:01 +0100 Subject: disk check at boot up time In-Reply-To: <4F2DB8C6.2040004@iinet.net.au> References: <4F2DB8C6.2040004@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: 2012/2/5 Basil Chupin : > On 05/02/12 07:33, ray burke wrote: >> >> can anyone help? >> >> I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal >> window when log into >>  k10.10mm so as to force >> a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I >> boot up now is does >> the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to do >> this? >> >> ray "sudo rm /forcefsck" removes the file and should stop the file system check at boot unless there is something wrong with your file system so its marked dirty. > > Why are you worried about it? > > A quick fsck is done everytime you boot to make sure that there has been no > corruption to your file sysem (assuming here that you have used ext3 or ext4 > when you installed). And there is a more comprehensive fsck done after every > (?)20 boots of the system. > > BC If I understand it right, when using a journaling file system it will not be checked unless its marked dirty by the kernel, a check is forced by /forcefsck, max-mount-count or interval-between-checks has been reach. You can check the current values max-mount-count and interval-between-checks with "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1". Replace sda1 with your partition to check. See "man tune2fs" for more info and how to fine tune the file system and when a check is forced. / Jonas From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Feb 5 10:28:44 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:28:44 +1100 Subject: disk check at boot up time In-Reply-To: References: <4F2DB8C6.2040004@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F2E59DC.20200@iinet.net.au> On 05/02/12 18:19, Jonas Norlander wrote: > 2012/2/5 Basil Chupin: >> On 05/02/12 07:33, ray burke wrote: >>> can anyone help? >>> >>> I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal >>> window when log into >>>  k10.10mm so as to force >>> a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I >>> boot up now is does >>> the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to do >>> this? >>> >>> ray > "sudo rm /forcefsck" removes the file and should stop the file system > check at boot unless there is something wrong with your file system so > its marked dirty. > >> Why are you worried about it? >> >> A quick fsck is done everytime you boot to make sure that there has been no >> corruption to your file sysem (assuming here that you have used ext3 or ext4 >> when you installed). And there is a more comprehensive fsck done after every >> (?)20 boots of the system. >> >> BC > If I understand it right, when using a journaling file system it will > not be checked unless its marked dirty by the kernel, a check is > forced by /forcefsck, max-mount-count or interval-between-checks has > been reach. > > You can check the current values max-mount-count and > interval-between-checks with "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1". Replace sda1 > with your partition to check. > > See "man tune2fs" for more info and how to fine tune the file system > and when a check is forced. Question: does it matter or not if the file sysem is quicly checked on each boot? Yes or No? BC -- A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" "Not yet," she replied. From lahc2007 at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 10:57:19 2012 From: lahc2007 at gmail.com (Leslie Anne Chatterton) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 05:57:19 -0500 Subject: disk check at boot up time In-Reply-To: <4F2E59DC.20200@iinet.net.au> References: <4F2DB8C6.2040004@iinet.net.au> <4F2E59DC.20200@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Basil, There is no "yes or no" answer possible. In a perfect world it wouldn't matter. Unfortunately minor errors in writing to disk will happen. Even though it's extremely rare, compared to the billions of bytes written, even one altered bit can trash a whole file or programme. Fortunately most errors can be corrected if caught quickly before they can start a cascade of consequent errors. That is what fsck is there to do. Now you could probably go for years without getting caught by this kind of disk corruption, but... wouldn't it be nice to have as much free and fast "insurance" as the wit of clever programmers can devise? I thought so. Now you have your answer. Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet On Feb 5, 2012 5:30 AM, "Basil Chupin" wrote: > On 05/02/12 18:19, Jonas Norlander wrote: > >> 2012/2/5 Basil Chupin: >> >>> On 05/02/12 07:33, ray burke wrote: >>> >>>> can anyone help? >>>> >>>> I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal >>>> window when log into >>>>  k10.10mm so as to force >>>> a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I >>>> boot up now is does >>>> the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to do >>>> this? >>>> >>>> ray >>>> >>> "sudo rm /forcefsck" removes the file and should stop the file system >> check at boot unless there is something wrong with your file system so >> its marked dirty. >> >> Why are you worried about it? >>> >>> A quick fsck is done everytime you boot to make sure that there has been >>> no >>> corruption to your file sysem (assuming here that you have used ext3 or >>> ext4 >>> when you installed). And there is a more comprehensive fsck done after >>> every >>> (?)20 boots of the system. >>> >>> BC >>> >> If I understand it right, when using a journaling file system it will >> not be checked unless its marked dirty by the kernel, a check is >> forced by /forcefsck, max-mount-count or interval-between-checks has >> been reach. >> >> You can check the current values max-mount-count and >> interval-between-checks with "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1". Replace sda1 >> with your partition to check. >> >> See "man tune2fs" for more info and how to fine tune the file system >> and when a check is forced. >> > > Question: does it matter or not if the file sysem is quicly checked on > each boot? > > Yes or No? > > BC > > -- > A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. > "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" > "Not yet," she replied. > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayburke30 at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 19:44:45 2012 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:44:45 +1100 Subject: disk check at boot up time In-Reply-To: References: <4F2DB8C6.2040004@iinet.net.au> <4F2E59DC.20200@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: basil and friends, thanks for all your help, and yes its better to be safe than sorry, so I won't concern myself about it! ray On 2/5/12, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote: > Basil, > > There is no "yes or no" answer possible. > > In a perfect world it wouldn't matter. Unfortunately minor errors in > writing to disk will happen. Even though it's extremely rare, compared to > the billions of bytes written, even one altered bit can trash a whole file > or programme. Fortunately most errors can be corrected if caught quickly > before they can start a cascade of consequent errors. That is what fsck is > there to do. > > Now you could probably go for years without getting caught by this kind of > disk corruption, but... wouldn't it be nice to have as much free and fast > "insurance" as the wit of clever programmers can devise? > > I thought so. Now you have your answer. > > Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet > On Feb 5, 2012 5:30 AM, "Basil Chupin" wrote: > >> On 05/02/12 18:19, Jonas Norlander wrote: >> >>> 2012/2/5 Basil Chupin: >>> >>>> On 05/02/12 07:33, ray burke wrote: >>>> >>>>> can anyone help? >>>>> >>>>> I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal >>>>> window when log into >>>>>  k10.10mm so as to force >>>>> a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I >>>>> boot up now is does >>>>> the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to >>>>> do >>>>> this? >>>>> >>>>> ray >>>>> >>>> "sudo rm /forcefsck" removes the file and should stop the file system >>> check at boot unless there is something wrong with your file system so >>> its marked dirty. >>> >>> Why are you worried about it? >>>> >>>> A quick fsck is done everytime you boot to make sure that there has been >>>> no >>>> corruption to your file sysem (assuming here that you have used ext3 or >>>> ext4 >>>> when you installed). And there is a more comprehensive fsck done after >>>> every >>>> (?)20 boots of the system. >>>> >>>> BC >>>> >>> If I understand it right, when using a journaling file system it will >>> not be checked unless its marked dirty by the kernel, a check is >>> forced by /forcefsck, max-mount-count or interval-between-checks has >>> been reach. >>> >>> You can check the current values max-mount-count and >>> interval-between-checks with "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1". Replace sda1 >>> with your partition to check. >>> >>> See "man tune2fs" for more info and how to fine tune the file system >>> and when a check is forced. >>> >> >> Question: does it matter or not if the file sysem is quicly checked on >> each boot? >> >> Yes or No? >> >> BC >> >> -- >> A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. >> "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" >> "Not yet," she replied. >> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** >> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > From samorris at netspace.net.au Sun Feb 5 20:28:45 2012 From: samorris at netspace.net.au (Steve Morris) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:28:45 +1100 Subject: disk check at boot up time In-Reply-To: References: <4F2DB8C6.2040004@iinet.net.au> <4F2E59DC.20200@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F2EE67D.1010906@netspace.net.au> Hi, Just my 2 cents worth. If you look at /etc/fstab at the entries for each device, there are 2 numbers on the end of each entry, as I understand things these are related to whether or not an "fsck" is done on the associated device, again as I understand things, if these are set to 0 then an "fsck" is not performed. Also, if the machine is not shutdown cleanly, for example when Ubuntu refuses to terminate and you are forced to physically power off the shut the machine down (for whatever reason it can't shut down normally), the disk is left flagged a "dirty" or is in an "unstable" state. The next time you boot, the boot process takes a significant amount of time to complete because the system is replaying all the journaled transactions from the previous session (this is in the situation where you are actually using a journaling file system). I have been in the situation where requiring a physical power off to shut the machine down has destroyed an ext3 file system. regards, Steve On 06/02/12 06:44, ray burke wrote: > basil and friends, > > thanks for all your help, and yes its better to be safe than sorry, so > I won't concern > myself about it! > > ray > > On 2/5/12, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote: >> Basil, >> >> There is no "yes or no" answer possible. >> >> In a perfect world it wouldn't matter. Unfortunately minor errors in >> writing to disk will happen. Even though it's extremely rare, compared to >> the billions of bytes written, even one altered bit can trash a whole file >> or programme. Fortunately most errors can be corrected if caught quickly >> before they can start a cascade of consequent errors. That is what fsck is >> there to do. >> >> Now you could probably go for years without getting caught by this kind of >> disk corruption, but... wouldn't it be nice to have as much free and fast >> "insurance" as the wit of clever programmers can devise? >> >> I thought so. Now you have your answer. >> >> Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet >> On Feb 5, 2012 5:30 AM, "Basil Chupin" wrote: >> >>> On 05/02/12 18:19, Jonas Norlander wrote: >>> >>>> 2012/2/5 Basil Chupin: >>>> >>>>> On 05/02/12 07:33, ray burke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> can anyone help? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been told to insert "sudo touch /forcefsck" in a terminal >>>>>> window when log into >>>>>>  k10.10mm so as to force >>>>>> a disk check at next boot time of which I have done, but every time I >>>>>> boot up now is does >>>>>> the fsck, and I only want it to do it once, so what is the command to >>>>>> do >>>>>> this? >>>>>> >>>>>> ray >>>>>> >>>>> "sudo rm /forcefsck" removes the file and should stop the file system >>>> check at boot unless there is something wrong with your file system so >>>> its marked dirty. >>>> >>>> Why are you worried about it? >>>>> A quick fsck is done everytime you boot to make sure that there has been >>>>> no >>>>> corruption to your file sysem (assuming here that you have used ext3 or >>>>> ext4 >>>>> when you installed). And there is a more comprehensive fsck done after >>>>> every >>>>> (?)20 boots of the system. >>>>> >>>>> BC >>>>> >>>> If I understand it right, when using a journaling file system it will >>>> not be checked unless its marked dirty by the kernel, a check is >>>> forced by /forcefsck, max-mount-count or interval-between-checks has >>>> been reach. >>>> >>>> You can check the current values max-mount-count and >>>> interval-between-checks with "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1". Replace sda1 >>>> with your partition to check. >>>> >>>> See "man tune2fs" for more info and how to fine tune the file system >>>> and when a check is forced. >>>> >>> Question: does it matter or not if the file sysem is quicly checked on >>> each boot? >>> >>> Yes or No? >>> >>> BC >>> >>> -- >>> A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. >>> "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" >>> "Not yet," she replied. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** >>> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Go to mail settings | >> Forwarding >> > > and POP/IMAP. Under "When I mark..." turn off auto-expunge. Under >> "When a >> > > message..." select "Immediately delete." >> > > >> > > Then, in KMail, don't use the account wizard. Instead, manually >> configure >> > > your Gmail settings. When configuring your IMAP resource, after >> entering >> > > your Google credentials on the General tab, be sure to go to the >> Advanced >> > > tab and click the Auto Detect button. >> > > >> > > Let KMail perform its initial sync, then close it. Now open it. >> Return to >> > > the configuration window. Modify your identity and set your >> sent-mail and >> > > drafts folders to the folders on Google. Modify your IMAP resource >> and set >> > > the trash folder to Google. >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I have to say that, after having applied this procedure, Kmail seems >> to have >> > start to work properly again, for which I am *very happy*. I've >> started to >> > use it again! :) >> >> Cool! Glad it's working for you. >> >> The akonadi-kde-resource-googledata plugin now works for Google >> calendars in Korganizer, too. Well, it works for your primary >> calendar, anyway. If you have secondary Google calendars, you still >> need to configure CalDAV resources for those. See: >> >> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56434-SOLVED-sync-gmail-amp-kontact-amp-syncevloution-Kubicle-s-how-to&p=278847&viewfull=1#post278847 >> >> >> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56434-SOLVED-sync-gmail-amp-kontact-amp-syncevloution-Kubicle-s-how-to&p=278862&viewfull=1#post278862 >> >> >> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57137-kmail-gmail-headache&p=286439&viewfull=1#post286439 >> >> >> --Steve > > C'Mon people…. email is over 40 years old. It's no longer rocket > science, it's an everyday activity. If it's this difficult to > configure a client then something is very wrong with the client in > terms of fundamental design. This shouldn't be tolerated in something > which is released for general use. Shame on you, Kubuntu. > > Mark > Yes, Shame on you, Kubuntu. I have used Kubuntu for six or more years and kmail for probably 10years. But when I upgraded from Kubuntu 8-04 to 10-04 because I was running out of support time, suddenly everything was foreign. Kmail became completely useless and I tried to configure it for several weeks. No good, so I tried Thunderbird and it lacks so much that the old kmail had that I hate to use it. When you download an iso and install you shouldn't have to spend months making it into a usable system. I don't think I will ever be able to make this 10-04 into something as easy to use and as feature-rich as my 8-04 was. It almost seems like the designers working on each new version have said, "How can we make this more complicated?" And they found a way. bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basroufs at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 22:20:56 2012 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 23:20:56 +0100 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: <6128ABE3-7F5A-488B-9C43-451235958C05@gmail.com> References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> <4F2DB35D.1040403@cfl.rr.com> <6128ABE3-7F5A-488B-9C43-451235958C05@gmail.com> Message-ID: *Dear Mark and Everybody Else* > *ark and Everybody Else* > >> >> As the developer of TARDIS ( :) ) I can say yes it probably is. I >> refrained from recommending it to you since it won't quite do what you want >> because it won't back up to 2 different discs - it wasn't ever intended to >> do that. >> > As the developer of TARDIS ( :) ) I can say yes it probably is. I > refrained from recommending it to you since it won't quite do what you want > because it won't back up to 2 different discs - it wasn't ever intended to > do that. > *This is exactly the reason I hesitate about TARDIS. On the other hand: backing up and syncing I do with one external HD at a time only anyway. * > > The basic idea of it though is probably what you need; you could use rsync > and a couple of bash scripts to do manual incremental backups in the style > of TARDIS, but without the automatic ageing. I'd be happy to advise if you > like. > *In the meantime, I have been experimenting with "L*uckyBackup" - *which has RSync and some other scripts under the hood. It works both graphically and with command line. It is in the repo as well. More info: * http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/ *My experiences so far can be summarised as follows.* http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/ *I successfully managed to make a complete backup of the WHOLE home directory to the biggest external HD: "WD Elements" , 2 Terabytes. The strange aspect of this experience is the way in which that HD has been formatted: NTFS. But there was not one single error report. ** * *My question is: what best to do with the big external HD? Leaving it as it is now while continuing to use it? Or is it better to reformat it into EXT4 and making a new backup afterwords?* *With respect to the other external HD: that one is a "ADATA NH 92" of 500 GB. Although I did format that one as FAT32, more than 800 error reports have been mentioned with respect to my attempt to backup my HOME directory there. The error reports mainly refer to the KMAIL e-mail directories in .kde/share. An attempt to synchronise the HOME directory at the netbook and the NH92 ended up in a similar result. * *On the other hand, I DID manage to successfully backup all the datafiles, images, etc. to the NH92. Even eg. software and iso images could be transferred without problems.* *The problem is limited to the e-mail directory .kde/share. * *My question is: do I need to reformat the NH92? if I need EXT4 for the backup, is it possible to leave 50 or 100 GB as FAT32 by means of partitioning? * *Thanks for your replies. Respectfully yours,* *Bas Roufs. * * * ** ** * * > > Nice to see someone recommending it though :) > > Mark > > > Respectfully yours, > Bas. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- ==================== *Bas G. Roufs* Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht M./SMS +31 6 446 835 10 T. +31 30 785 2040 E. BasRoufs at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fatgerman at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 22:33:15 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 22:33:15 +0000 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> <4F2DB35D.1040403@cfl.rr.com> <6128ABE3-7F5A-488B-9C43-451235958C05@gmail.com> Message-ID: <73F89746-32D7-44DA-A5B2-E3ED66D8BC96@gmail.com> On 5 Feb 2012, at 22:20, Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear Mark and Everybody Else > ark and Everybody Else > > As the developer of TARDIS ( :) ) I can say yes it probably is. I refrained from recommending it to you since it won't quite do what you want because it won't back up to 2 different discs - it wasn't ever intended to do that. > As the developer of TARDIS ( :) ) I can say yes it probably is. I refrained from recommending it to you since it won't quite do what you want because it won't back up to 2 different discs - it wasn't ever intended to do that. > > This is exactly the reason I hesitate about TARDIS. > On the other hand: backing up and syncing I do with one external HD at a time only anyway. > > The basic idea of it though is probably what you need; you could use rsync and a couple of bash scripts to do manual incremental backups in the style of TARDIS, but without the automatic ageing. I'd be happy to advise if you like. > > In the meantime, I have been experimenting with "LuckyBackup" - which has RSync and some other scripts under the hood. It works both graphically and with command line. It is in the repo as well. More info: > http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/ > > My experiences so far can be summarised as follows. > http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/ > I successfully managed to make a complete backup of the WHOLE home directory to the biggest external HD: "WD Elements" , 2 Terabytes. The strange aspect of this experience is the way in which that HD has been formatted: NTFS. But there was not one single error report. > My question is: what best to do with the big external HD? Leaving it as it is now while continuing to use it? Or is it better to reformat it into EXT4 and making a new backup afterwords? > > With respect to the other external HD: that one is a "ADATA NH 92" of 500 GB. Although I did format that one as FAT32, more than 800 error reports have been mentioned with respect to my attempt to backup my HOME directory there. The error reports mainly refer to the KMAIL e-mail directories in .kde/share. An attempt to synchronise the HOME directory at the netbook and the NH92 ended up in a similar result. > On the other hand, I DID manage to successfully backup all the datafiles, images, etc. to the NH92. Even eg. software and iso images could be transferred without problems. The problem is limited to the e-mail directory .kde/share. > > My question is: do I need to reformat the NH92? if I need EXT4 for the backup, is it possible to leave 50 or 100 GB as FAT32 by means of partitioning? > > Thanks for your replies. Respectfully yours, > Bas Roufs. The problem you may have with using these disc formats is if your backup program using hard linking. The basic method *most* rsync-based backup utilities use is to copy changed files but hard-link to unchanged files. NTFS supports hard linking but in a significantly less efficient way than any ext filesystem. FAT32 does not support hard linking at all. I've done a minor amount of testing with NTFS on TARDIS but came to the conclusion that although it works ext4 is faster, more reliable, and uses much less disc space. Also note that FAT32 can't handle a file bigger than 2GB - whereas NTFS and ext can. The other issue you may have with using a non-linux filesystem is to do with file permissions - NTFS handles permissions in a very different way than ext4 so these may not be restored properly. If it were me and I felt I might need to share my data with a Windows system the I'd use NTFS otherwise I'd have no hesitation in reformatting to ext4. I've no experience with lucky backup so I can't comment on that. If you want to reformat your discs I can think of no reason why you can't make some partitions in the way you suggest. Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice to see someone recommending it though :) > > Mark > > >> Respectfully yours, >> Bas. >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > -- > ==================== > Bas G. Roufs > Van 't Hoffstraat 1 > NL-3514 VT Utrecht > M./SMS +31 6 446 835 10 > T. +31 30 785 2040 > E. BasRoufs at gmail.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basroufs at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 10:20:32 2012 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:20:32 +0100 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: <201202060119.41753.luckyb69@users.sourceforge.net> References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> <201202060119.41753.luckyb69@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <201202061120.33894.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Hello Loukas and Everybody Else Thanks everybody for all the useful advise that came in so far in this thread. > I've just been CC'd a message of yours but seems like I've missed lots of > some conversation that's going on. No problem, I can shortly summarise it. I am looking for a safe way to make daily routine backups within the following limits: Netbook Eee PC 1001 HA, 250 GB HD, 2 GB RAM, 1,9GHZ processor, Kubuntu 11.04 (and soon Kubuntu 11.10) backup to one large external HD meant to stay at home: " WG Elements" 2 TB; backup to 2nd external HD, meant to always carry with me: "Adata NH92", 500 GB; preference for "manual", so NOT automatic backup time schedule. > > I wouldn't like to start guessing, so if you need support about luckybackup > (or anything within the limits of my knowledge and capabilities) please let > me know of the backup scenario you wish to achieve, what's been done until > now and anything that could be used to fill in the gaps of this story. All the replies that have come in so far, point at the essential role of "RSYNC" - a script which is also being used in "LuckyBackup". Another package which uses RSYNC is "KTARDIS". However, this KDE package is aimed at automatic time schedule backups to one target external HD only - so it became quickly clear that such a package will not work for me. Your colleague :-) Mark Greenwood, the developer of KTARDIS, honestly said this himself. In the mean time, I started experimenting with LuckyBackup. I DID manage to apparantly successfully backup the whole HOME directory to the big "WG Elements" 2 TB drive - though it is still formatted in NTFS format. Mark Greenwood, your colleague :-) who has developed KTARDIS, explained that NTFS can handle Linux "deep links": but less efficiently and less safely than the native Linux format EXT4. You can find the report of this backup process as follows: go to http://viaconsensus.nl/LuckyBackup/ click at the link below "WG Elements 2 TB"..... Problems came up when trying to backup exactly the same directory to the "Adata N92" 500 GB HD, formatted as FAT32. Both the initial backup and the synchronisation attempts ended up in exactly the samen results: about 800 problem reports for the KMAIL EMail directory .kde/share OK for everything else. For the detailed report, go again to http://viaconsensus.nl/LuckyBackup/. Click at the link below ."...NH92....". Now, I come to the question for you, Loukas. Mark Greenwood advises me to reformat both external hard disks to EXT4 - at least, when using RSYNC and/or KTARDIS. Does this advise also apply to LuckyBackup? In other words: can I avoid the problems I have had with the NH92 if I reformat it from FAT32 to EXT4? For you, Mark: I am happy to reformat both external HD's to EXT4 if necessary. A third small sized external HD I have for exchange of data with Windows and Mac computers. Question for everybody: which format is best for such a purpose: FAT32 or NTFS? This is it for now. Respectfully yours, Bas. > > Please excuse me for not directly replying at your questions. > I don't want any misunderstandings that may lead to false advice with > whatever the consequences. > > kind regards, > Loukas > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Monday 06 of February 2012 00:20:56 you wrote: > > *Dear Mark and Everybody Else* > > > > > *ark and Everybody Else* > > > > > >> As the developer of TARDIS ( :) ) I can say yes it probably is. I > > >> refrained from recommending it to you since it won't quite do what you > > >> want because it won't back up to 2 different discs - it wasn't ever > > >> intended to do that. > > > > > > As the developer of TARDIS ( :) ) I can say yes it probably is. I > > > refrained from recommending it to you since it won't quite do what you > > > want because it won't back up to 2 different discs - it wasn't ever > > > intended to do that. > > > > *This is exactly the reason I hesitate about TARDIS. > > > > On the other hand: backing up and syncing I do with one external HD at a > > time only anyway. > > * > > > > > The basic idea of it though is probably what you need; you could use > > > rsync and a couple of bash scripts to do manual incremental backups in > > > the style of TARDIS, but without the automatic ageing. I'd be happy to > > > advise if you like. > > > > *In the meantime, I have been experimenting with "L*uckyBackup" - *which > > has RSync and some other scripts under the hood. It works both > > graphically and with command line. It is in the repo as well. More info: > > * > > > > http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > *My experiences so far can be summarised as follows.* > > > > http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/ > > > > *I successfully managed to make a complete backup of the WHOLE home > > directory to the biggest external HD: "WD Elements" , 2 Terabytes. The > > strange aspect of this experience is the way in which that HD has been > > formatted: NTFS. But there was not one single error report. ** > > * > > > > *My question is: what best to do with the big external HD? Leaving it as > > it is now while continuing to use it? Or is it better to reformat it > > into EXT4 and making a new backup afterwords?* > > > > > > *With respect to the other external HD: that one is a "ADATA NH 92" of > > 500 GB. Although I did format that one as FAT32, more than 800 error > > reports have been mentioned with respect to my attempt to backup my HOME > > directory there. The error reports mainly refer to the KMAIL e-mail > > directories in .kde/share. An attempt to synchronise the HOME directory > > at the netbook and the NH92 ended up in a similar result. * > > > > *On the other hand, I DID manage to successfully backup all the > > datafiles, images, etc. to the NH92. Even eg. software and iso images > > could be transferred without problems.* *The problem is limited to the > > e-mail directory .kde/share. > > * > > > > > > *My question is: do I need to reformat the NH92? if I need EXT4 for the > > backup, is it possible to leave 50 or 100 GB as FAT32 by means of > > partitioning? > > * > > > > > > *Thanks for your replies. Respectfully yours,* > > > > *Bas Roufs. > > * > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > ** > > > > > > ** > > > > * > > * > > > > > Nice to see someone recommending it though :) > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Respectfully yours, > > > Bas. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Drs. Bas G. Roufs Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht +31 30 785 20 40 +31 6 446 835 10 BasRoufs at gmail.com OS: Linux Kubuntu 11.04, kubuntu.org Internetpagina's in opbouw: BasRoufs.eu, Viaconsensus.nl, RainbowGathering.eu. Lid GL? Kies Arno Uijlenhoet als nieuwe partijvoorzitter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 18:38:20 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:38:20 +0200 Subject: Address completion In-Reply-To: <2469997.1oX0MPfqyx@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2469997.1oX0MPfqyx@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <4F301E1C.4020204@gmail.com> On 01/11/11 15:00, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Kubuntu 11.10, KDE 4.7.2, Konact 4.7.2 > > Since the update to 11.10 the autocompletion in the address does not show > names, just emails. Names are shown however if I open the address books > through the 'Select...' option next to the 'To' line. It seems to me that > KMail looks at the recently used addresses only. > > In the setting for address completion I have the correct order of address > books. > > Any ideas how to fix this? > Thanks, > gk > it went missing again from my 4.7.4 - just like that! But now I have figured out a method to get it back. A WEIRD method but it works for me... 1. Leave Personal Contacts resource as it is 2. Use System Settings Akonadi resources to create a vcard resource based on a local directory - point it to the same folder as Personal Contacts 3. In Kontact indicate that you only want to use Personal Contacts and .. voila it works.. I have also been in the "depreciated" KDE resources and I think I tried to tick Personal Contacts as "standard" even though it is "read-only" there. Can someone/anyone confirm this works in 4.8 too? Sinclair From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 19:56:08 2012 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:56:08 +0100 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <6439B22A-963C-42EE-884B-78BEC2FB20F2@gmail.com> References: <1504794.CcSieHjbxF@x1> <6439B22A-963C-42EE-884B-78BEC2FB20F2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1892103.T8vOO2QCgQ@valter-rete> In data sabato 4 febbraio 2012 11:28:16, Mark Greenwood ha scritto: > On 4 Feb 2012, at 06:09, Steve Riley wrote: > > On 2012-02-03 23:34:00 Mark Greenwood wrote: > >> C'Mon people…. email is over 40 years old. It's no longer rocket science, > >> it's an everyday activity. If it's this difficult to configure a client > >> then something is very wrong with the client in terms of fundamental > >> design. This shouldn't be tolerated in something which is released for > >> general use. Shame on you, Kubuntu. > > > > Well, I wouldn't be so quick to fault Kubuntu. Were I to engage in a bit > > of > > blamestorming, I'd throw some in Google's direction. If their IMAP were, > > oh I dunno, _standard_ or something like that, then maybe we wouldn't > > have so many problems. > > Works fine with Thunderbird and Apple Mail. And I don't think the fact the > account wizard doesn't work, or the fact you have to do a sync, close > KMail, then reopen it change yet more settings can be blamed on Google. > > Like I said. In Apple Mail and Thunderbird the setup procedure is : Enter > email address and password. That's it. That's how it should be these days. > Setting up KMail is like setting up email used to be in 1990. It's not good > enough, and KMail used to be really good indeed. KDE4 seems to have so much > emphasis on superficial bells and whistles while anything approaching > functionality has been left till last. It really has all gone a bit > Windows. Mark, you're right and I agree with you. I have TB setup and ready to use (just in case...) But, as Kmail is KDE native, and I work in the localization team, and I need to try the Kde apps to check them and to file bugs, and also because I like Kontact and Kmail, I "do want" to use them, even if I have to struggle for their use and to understand and help, if possible, the other users in the use. Of course, I cannot suggest Kmail for production use at its current state, at work people cannot permit to lose mails or wait hours after an upgrade. That said, after Steve's suggestions, the system started to work quite smooth and fast, even if I dedicated 350 MB of 1 GB RAM to Nepomuk, and I have an "ancient" system (PIV 2.8 ghz / 1 GB Ram / 512 MB video card). One thing that TB has and for which I want to file a wish for Kmail, is the possibility to decide how many months the program must check and sync the server's mail. Ciao -- Valter *Open Source is better!* Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org KDE: www.kde.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org From fatgerman at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 20:12:15 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:12:15 +0000 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <1892103.T8vOO2QCgQ@valter-rete> References: <1504794.CcSieHjbxF@x1> <6439B22A-963C-42EE-884B-78BEC2FB20F2@gmail.com> <1892103.T8vOO2QCgQ@valter-rete> Message-ID: On 6 Feb 2012, at 19:56, Valter Mura wrote: > In data sabato 4 febbraio 2012 11:28:16, Mark Greenwood ha scritto: >> On 4 Feb 2012, at 06:09, Steve Riley wrote: >>> On 2012-02-03 23:34:00 Mark Greenwood wrote: >>>> C'Mon people…. email is over 40 years old. It's no longer rocket science, >>>> it's an everyday activity. If it's this difficult to configure a client >>>> then something is very wrong with the client in terms of fundamental >>>> design. This shouldn't be tolerated in something which is released for >>>> general use. Shame on you, Kubuntu. >>> >>> Well, I wouldn't be so quick to fault Kubuntu. Were I to engage in a bit >>> of >>> blamestorming, I'd throw some in Google's direction. If their IMAP were, >>> oh I dunno, _standard_ or something like that, then maybe we wouldn't >>> have so many problems. >> >> Works fine with Thunderbird and Apple Mail. And I don't think the fact the >> account wizard doesn't work, or the fact you have to do a sync, close >> KMail, then reopen it change yet more settings can be blamed on Google. >> >> Like I said. In Apple Mail and Thunderbird the setup procedure is : Enter >> email address and password. That's it. That's how it should be these days. >> Setting up KMail is like setting up email used to be in 1990. It's not good >> enough, and KMail used to be really good indeed. KDE4 seems to have so much >> emphasis on superficial bells and whistles while anything approaching >> functionality has been left till last. It really has all gone a bit >> Windows. > > Mark, you're right and I agree with you. I have TB setup and ready to use > (just in case...) > But, as Kmail is KDE native, and I work in the localization team, and I need > to try the Kde apps to check them and to file bugs, and also because I like > Kontact and Kmail, I "do want" to use them, even if I have to struggle for > their use and to understand and help, if possible, the other users in the use. You're right and I agree entirely. I want to use them too, but in their current state I just can't. It's frustration on my part that Kubuntu never seems to provide a stable platform, there is always something wrong somewhere. I'd love to be able to recommend Linux to friends and family but in 4 years I've never found any single release (of any distro) that I felt I could just let people get on with. It's got so much going for it, all it needs is some serious quality control - and I guess as that's my profession that's why I feel so let down. Mark > > Of course, I cannot suggest Kmail for production use at its current state, at > work people cannot permit to lose mails or wait hours after an upgrade. > That said, after Steve's suggestions, the system started to work quite smooth > and fast, even if I dedicated 350 MB of 1 GB RAM to Nepomuk, and I have an > "ancient" system (PIV 2.8 ghz / 1 GB Ram / 512 MB video card). > > One thing that TB has and for which I want to file a wish for Kmail, is the > possibility to decide how many months the program must check and sync the > server's mail. > > Ciao > -- > Valter > *Open Source is better!* > Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org > KDE: www.kde.org > LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From blchupin at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 6 22:22:09 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:22:09 +1100 Subject: How best to make daily routine backups from netbook to 2 external HD's? In-Reply-To: <201202061120.33894.BasRoufs@gmail.com> References: <201202031618.00114.BasRoufs@gmail.com> <201202060119.41753.luckyb69@users.sourceforge.net> <201202061120.33894.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F305291.7030603@iinet.net.au> On 06/02/12 21:20, Bas G. Roufs wrote: > > Hello Loukas and Everybody Else > > > Thanks everybody for all the useful advise that came in so far in this > thread. > [pruned] > Now, I come to the question for you, Loukas. > > Mark Greenwood advises me to reformat both external hard disks to EXT4 > - at least, when using RSYNC and/or KTARDIS. Does this advise also > apply to LuckyBackup? In other words: can I avoid the problems I have > had with the NH92 if I reformat it from FAT32 to EXT4? > > For you, Mark: I am happy to reformat both external HD's to EXT4 if > necessary. A third small sized external HD I have for exchange of data > with Windows and Mac computers. Question for everybody: which format > is best for such a purpose: FAT32 or NTFS? > > This is it for now. Respectfully yours, > > Bas. > > I am not Loukas, but why don't you simply partition your 2T drive into 3 partitions and format each one for the file system you will be using - eg, Windows NTFS, Linux ext4, and MAC I don't know what they use now - is it still HPS? BC -- A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" "Not yet," she replied. From mikemcginn at mcginnweb.net Tue Feb 7 00:23:40 2012 From: mikemcginn at mcginnweb.net (Mike McGinn) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:23:40 -0500 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <1892103.T8vOO2QCgQ@valter-rete> References: <6439B22A-963C-42EE-884B-78BEC2FB20F2@gmail.com> <1892103.T8vOO2QCgQ@valter-rete> Message-ID: <201202061923.40541.mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> On Monday, February 06, 2012 14:56:08 Valter Mura wrote: > In data sabato 4 febbraio 2012 11:28:16, Mark Greenwood ha scritto: > > On 4 Feb 2012, at 06:09, Steve Riley wrote: > > > On 2012-02-03 23:34:00 Mark Greenwood wrote: > > >> C'Mon people
. email is over 40 years old. It's no longer rocket > > >> science, it's an everyday activity. If it's this difficult to > > >> configure a client then something is very wrong with the client in > > >> terms of fundamental design. This shouldn't be tolerated in something > > >> which is released for general use. Shame on you, Kubuntu. > > > > > > Well, I wouldn't be so quick to fault Kubuntu. Were I to engage in a > > > bit of > > > blamestorming, I'd throw some in Google's direction. If their IMAP > > > were, oh I dunno, _standard_ or something like that, then maybe we > > > wouldn't have so many problems. > > > > Works fine with Thunderbird and Apple Mail. And I don't think the fact > > the account wizard doesn't work, or the fact you have to do a sync, > > close KMail, then reopen it change yet more settings can be blamed on > > Google. > > > > Like I said. In Apple Mail and Thunderbird the setup procedure is : Enter > > email address and password. That's it. That's how it should be these > > days. Setting up KMail is like setting up email used to be in 1990. It's > > not good enough, and KMail used to be really good indeed. KDE4 seems to > > have so much emphasis on superficial bells and whistles while anything > > approaching functionality has been left till last. It really has all > > gone a bit Windows. > > Mark, you're right and I agree with you. I have TB setup and ready to use > (just in case...) > But, as Kmail is KDE native, and I work in the localization team, and I > need to try the Kde apps to check them and to file bugs, and also because > I like Kontact and Kmail, I "do want" to use them, even if I have to > struggle for their use and to understand and help, if possible, the other > users in the use. > > Of course, I cannot suggest Kmail for production use at its current state, > at work people cannot permit to lose mails or wait hours after an upgrade. > That said, after Steve's suggestions, the system started to work quite > smooth and fast, even if I dedicated 350 MB of 1 GB RAM to Nepomuk, and I > have an "ancient" system (PIV 2.8 ghz / 1 GB Ram / 512 MB video card). > > One thing that TB has and for which I want to file a wish for Kmail, is the > possibility to decide how many months the program must check and sync the > server's mail. > > Ciao Hi Valter, I appreciate your candor. I have been using Kontact for almost ten years now, I have thousands of email stored in it, I have hundreds of filters set up and there is the matter of my address book. Moving to Thunderbird would be a nightmare, but I am seriously considering. I run 4.4.8 under KDE 4.4.5. The whole Akanodi thing has never worked right, I had to hack to get it to start at the start of the KDE session, I have never been able to sync with my Google calender and it seems that newer releases just keep getting worse. I run Kubuntu LTS and was hoping the next version would bring some improvement, now it would seem that the opposite would be true. I am a CTO in my day job and at this point if I got a resume listing the kde- pim project as experience I would not even grant an interview. -- Mike McGinn FACOCM Ex Uno Plurima No electrons were harmed in sending this message. ** Registered Linux User 377849 From liststuff at fastmail.com.au Tue Feb 7 09:38:56 2012 From: liststuff at fastmail.com.au (Tim Edwards) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:38:56 +0100 Subject: Nepomuk performance In-Reply-To: <201202061923.40541.mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> References: <6439B22A-963C-42EE-884B-78BEC2FB20F2@gmail.com><1892103.T8vOO2QCgQ@valter-rete> <201202061923.40541.mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> Message-ID: <1328607536.28332.140661033225277@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012, at 07:23 PM, Mike McGinn wrote: > Hi Valter, > I appreciate your candor. I have been using Kontact for almost ten years > now, > I have thousands of email stored in it, I have hundreds of filters set up > and > there is the matter of my address book. Moving to Thunderbird would be a > nightmare, but I am seriously considering. I run 4.4.8 under KDE 4.4.5. > The > whole Akanodi thing has never worked right, I had to hack to get it to > start > at the start of the KDE session, I have never been able to sync with my > Google > calender and it seems that newer releases just keep getting worse. I run > Kubuntu LTS and was hoping the next version would bring some improvement, > now > it would seem that the opposite would be true. > > I am a CTO in my day job and at this point if I got a resume listing the > kde- > pim project as experience I would not even grant an interview. +1 I've used Thunderbird for years now but recently I looked at switching back to Kmail/Kontact as Thunderbird's address book is terrible. I have all my mail served by IMAP servers (a local one for archives, remote for current stuff), so no need to worry about transferring message archives between programs. Kmail was still a disaster, uninformative error messages everywhere, duplicate resources appearing and the Google Contact sync simply failed with no error message and for no reason. Not to mention I first had to hack around in .kde config files to get Akonadi working properly, and then use Akonadi configuration dialogs which don't appear in the menus but can be started by running a command directly. I even created a completely new user with a fresh home directory and tried setting it up there and got nothing but errors and frustration. Kmail/kontact had the potential to be a great program, but at the moment it's a buggy, poorly documented, opaque and way over-complicated mess. And don't get me started on Akonadi. Thank god we have Thunderbird. Tim From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Feb 7 12:16:22 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:16:22 +1100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu Message-ID: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> Jonathan Riddell wrote: Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE as well. http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ -- A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" "Not yet," she replied. From jfrantzius at googlemail.com Tue Feb 7 13:11:18 2012 From: jfrantzius at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_von_Frantzius?=) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 14:11:18 +0100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: That's really sad. I was wondering for a while, though, how and why funding for Kubuntu happens... 2012/2/7 Basil Chupin > Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE > as well. > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/**479710/ > > -- > A three-year-old boy was examining his testicles while taking a bath. > "Mum" he asked, "are these my brains?" > "Not yet," she replied. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Feb 7 13:55:53 2012 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:55:53 -0600 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE > as well. > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ > Reading down through the comments at the bottom of the article I think I can agree with several of the comments. I don't claim to be any sort of expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as fully as they should if they were really serious about it. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From tkg at lanl.gov Tue Feb 7 14:27:50 2012 From: tkg at lanl.gov (Thomas K Gamble) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:27:50 -0700 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> Message-ID: <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate representation) http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs. Rather surprising, imho. On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 07:55:53 AM Billie Walsh wrote: > On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > > Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > > > > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be > > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat > > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as > > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with > > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE > > as well. > > > > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ > > Reading down through the comments at the bottom of the article I think I > can agree with several of the comments. I don't claim to be any sort of > expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has > always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red > headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as > fully as they should if they were really serious about it. -- Thomas K. Gamble Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE) Los Alamos National Laboratory MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." Henry Kissinger From ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 14:38:05 2012 From: ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com (Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:08:05 -0430 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate > representation) > > http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ > > Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs. Uh.... so... we are pretty much alone for not being able to tolerate Unity? I mean... I deeply dislike Unity. And even though I have found several "rough edges" on KDE, I like it. On the other hand, I have never registered on that site... maybe we should register to increase the numbers? > > Rather surprising, imho. > > On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 07:55:53 AM Billie Walsh wrote: >> On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> > Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> > >> > >> > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be >> > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat >> > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as >> > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with >> > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE >> > as well. >> > >> > >> > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ >> >> Reading down through the comments at the bottom of the article I think I >> can agree with several of the comments. I don't claim to be any sort of >> expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has >> always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red >> headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as >> fully as they should if they were really serious about it. > -- > Thomas K. Gamble > Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator > Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE) > Los Alamos National Laboratory > MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 > > "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." >    Henry Kissinger > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 14:40:34 2012 From: ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com (Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:10:34 -0430 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> Message-ID: Ok, somebody should keep the distro names up-to-date there... there is no 10.10 option!, newest is Lucid (10.04). On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: >> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate >> representation) >> >> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ >> >> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs. > > Uh.... so... we are pretty much alone for not being able to tolerate > Unity? I mean... I deeply dislike Unity.  And even though I have found > several "rough edges" on KDE, I like it. > > On the other hand, I have never registered on that site... maybe we > should register to increase the numbers? > >> >> Rather surprising, imho. >> >> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 07:55:53 AM Billie Walsh wrote: >>> On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> > Jonathan Riddell wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be >>> > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat >>> > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as >>> > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with >>> > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE >>> > as well. >>> > >>> > >>> > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ >>> >>> Reading down through the comments at the bottom of the article I think I >>> can agree with several of the comments. I don't claim to be any sort of >>> expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has >>> always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red >>> headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as >>> fully as they should if they were really serious about it. >> -- >> Thomas K. Gamble >> Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator >> Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE) >> Los Alamos National Laboratory >> MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 >> >> "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." >>    Henry Kissinger >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu Tue Feb 7 14:44:55 2012 From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:44:55 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> Message-ID: <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably > accurate representation) > > http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ > > Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor > installs. I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then. KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might give a better picture. - -- Sarunas Burdulis Systems Administrator Department of Mathematics, Dartmouth College http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8xOOcACgkQejaFVltl6E+zqgCgj9nXYDfQHpfoTL1kpYsnZ5qX GG8AnA6XolNTjn2Yf0xw2eiW/yVmKEP5 =HGlg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tkg at lanl.gov Tue Feb 7 15:10:36 2012 From: tkg at lanl.gov (Thomas K Gamble) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 08:10:36 -0700 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote: > On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > > According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably > > accurate representation) > > > > http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ > > > > Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor > > installs. > > I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the > latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then. True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many participate. Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the Ubuntu flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html Just theorizing as to their rationalization. Usage vs cost of support. Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more effort into it. The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and attention to useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption. > > KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might > give a better picture. I didn't have much luck digging up those stats. -- Thomas K. Gamble Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE) Los Alamos National Laboratory MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." Henry Kissinger From ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 15:16:21 2012 From: ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com (Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:46:21 -0430 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> Message-ID: Well, lets also consider that some people doesn't really understand what kubuntu is, and they just think that it is Ubuntu with KDE installed, and so, if you ask them what they use, they'll answer "Ubuntu", instead of Kubuntu. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote: >> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: >> > According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably >> > accurate representation) >> > >> > http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ >> > >> > Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor >> > installs. >> >> I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the >> latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then. > > True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many > participate.  Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the Ubuntu > flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html > > Just theorizing as to their rationalization.  Usage vs cost of support. > > Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more effort > into it.  The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and attention to > useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption. > >> >> KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might >> give a better picture. > > I didn't have much luck digging up those stats. > > -- > Thomas K. Gamble > Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator > Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE) > Los Alamos National Laboratory > MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 > > "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." >    Henry Kissinger > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From zekkerj at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 15:43:51 2012 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Queiroz?=) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 13:43:51 -0200 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> Message-ID: I cannot avoid thinking that Canonical is trying to avoid that users run away from Unity to KDE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fatgerman at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 15:44:38 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 15:44:38 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> Message-ID: On 7 Feb 2012, at 15:10, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote: >> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: >>> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably >>> accurate representation) >>> >>> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ >>> >>> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor >>> installs. >> >> I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the >> latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then. > > True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many > participate. Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the Ubuntu > flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html > > Just theorizing as to their rationalization. Usage vs cost of support. > > Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more effort > into it. The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and attention to > useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption. I'd agree, but I'd also rephrase that to say that what has hurt Kubuntu adoption is KDE. After all, Canonical are not responsible for things like KDE PIM, or for bug fixes, or for usability issues - they just package what KDE deliver. Garbage in, garbage out. But I think what has hurt it the most is the religious adherence to a six-month release cycle, which has resulted in things being released long before they are ready for general use (anybody remember the early KDE4 releases?). I think it's pretty ridiculous to try to stick to a release schedule when the software you are releasing is mostly written by enthusiasts in their spare time. Perhaps a more Debian-like approach, when coupled with the more user-friendly aspects of Kubuntu, would result in better take up. Mark > >> >> KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might >> give a better picture. > > I didn't have much luck digging up those stats. > > -- > Thomas K. Gamble > Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator > Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE) > Los Alamos National Laboratory > MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 > > "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." > Henry Kissinger > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From rev.olson at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 16:08:22 2012 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 08:08:22 -0800 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> Message-ID: <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:55:53 am Billie Walsh wrote: > I don't claim to be any sort of > expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has > always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red > headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as > fully as they should if they were really serious about it. For some unknown reason Ubuntu has been feverishly working at trying to make Ubuntu totally unusable. If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd almost swear some borg company was paying them to sabotage Ubuntu into becoming as unusable as the borg is. Ubuntu still is usable with KDE installed on it, so of course it must be dropped. -- 73 de N7PSV aka Pastor JW < PDGA# 35276 http://the-inner-circle.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=universalministr From buzzmandt at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 16:30:55 2012 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:30:55 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> Message-ID: By all means we'll miss Johnathan and his contributions but how else is this really gonna hurt Kubuntu? I don't see cononical doing much for Kubuntu other than giving us the great Ubuntu base, which all the other derivatives get too. On Feb 7, 2012 10:46 AM, "Mark Greenwood" wrote: > > On 7 Feb 2012, at 15:10, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote: > >> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > >>> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably > >>> accurate representation) > >>> > >>> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ > >>> > >>> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor > >>> installs. > >> > >> I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the > >> latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then. > > > > True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many > > participate. Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the > Ubuntu > > flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html > > > > Just theorizing as to their rationalization. Usage vs cost of support. > > > > Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more > effort > > into it. The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and > attention to > > useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption. > > I'd agree, but I'd also rephrase that to say that what has hurt Kubuntu > adoption is KDE. After all, Canonical are not responsible for things like > KDE PIM, or for bug fixes, or for usability issues - they just package > what KDE deliver. Garbage in, garbage out. > > But I think what has hurt it the most is the religious adherence to a > six-month release cycle, which has resulted in things being released long > before they are ready for general use (anybody remember the early KDE4 > releases?). I think it's pretty ridiculous to try to stick to a release > schedule when the software you are releasing is mostly written by > enthusiasts in their spare time. Perhaps a more Debian-like approach, when > coupled with the more user-friendly aspects of Kubuntu, would result in > better take up. > > Mark > > > > >> > >> KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might > >> give a better picture. > > > > I didn't have much luck digging up those stats. > > > > -- > > Thomas K. Gamble > > Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator > > Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE) > > Los Alamos National Laboratory > > MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 > > > > "There cannot be a crisis next week. 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URL: From sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Feb 7 16:44:38 2012 From: sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk (Sid Boyce) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:44:38 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F3154F6.4060204@blueyonder.co.uk> On 07/02/12 15:10, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:16:22 +1100 > From: Basil Chupin > To: Kubuntu user technical support > Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu > Message-ID:<4F311616.5070906 at iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE > as well. > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ > Not atypical of late. They have put all faith in Unity and seem hell-bent on sticking to it despite the absolutely poor reception it is getting. The hope may be that in time people will get used to Unity but I can see it as a reason to change distros. Also think of a new user, it'll be a real turn off. See all the postings where 100% it's about changing from Unity. I am running Unity on a laptop using a USB stick, it is a recipe for RSI. I downloaded Kubuntu 12.04 a few hours ago to install to a 1G HD for the same laptop. This news means it doesn't get installed and a switch to another distro, e.g openSUSE which I have on 3 boxes. Kubuntu/Ubuntu on 3 boxes doesn't hold any longevity for me. Time to move to another distro that doesn't show such contempt for its users with an attitude that says they will damn well use what we give them. Canonical have lost their way and behaving like the proprietary software companies. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot, Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Feb 7 17:32:25 2012 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:32:25 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> Message-ID: On 7 February 2012 16:30, Dale Trombley wrote: > By all means we'll miss Johnathan and his contributions but how else is this > really gonna hurt Kubuntu? I don't see cononical doing much for Kubuntu > other than giving us the great Ubuntu base, which all the other derivatives > get too. It won't hurt Kubuntu is the necessary leadership appears and jobs get filled. That's a complete unknown for now but the signs are good. It means a bit less money for KDE too. Jonathan From tv.debian at googlemail.com Tue Feb 7 17:56:36 2012 From: tv.debian at googlemail.com (tv.debian at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:56:36 +0100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> 07/02/2012 17:08, Pastor JW wrote: > On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:55:53 am Billie Walsh wrote: >> I don't claim to be any sort of >> expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has >> always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red >> headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as >> fully as they should if they were really serious about it. > > For some unknown reason Ubuntu has been feverishly working at trying to make > Ubuntu totally unusable. If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd almost swear > some borg company was paying them to sabotage Ubuntu into becoming as unusable > as the borg is. Ubuntu still is usable with KDE installed on it, so of course > it must be dropped. > I am sorry to say that I can't help but see a very nasty move from Canonical here. The timing speaks for itself, after including Kubuntu as a full citizen with a LTS release, Canonical "pulls the plug" few weeks before it's actually out. What happened for them to suddenly realize they couldn't afford to keep one developer on Kubuntu ? Unity off course ! Kubuntu is gaining momentum (as are the other derivatives, and Mint) thanks to the Unity disaster, so Canonical tries to kill the competition by discouraging adoption of the LTS Kubuntu to come soon: who wants an "unsupported" Long Term release ? I don't think it's going to hurt Kubuntu that much in term of manpower, but in term of image and faith in the future of the distro it certainly will, it sends a very bad message at a carefully chosen bad time... Mark Shuttleworth seems to no longer be an enlighten dictator, and even less a benevolent one. He wants to impose Unity at all cost, even though it must be consuming a crazy amount of manpower since it's Canonical specific, doesn't even use Gnome3 API's, and as such doesn't benefit upstream. No other distro wants it, and I am still to meet users who are happy with it... Kubuntu should happily drift away from Canonical, I am dreaming of a future Kubuntu as the official KDE "showroom" distro, it's already nearly there. In any case I am sticking with Kubuntu which is becoming better with every release, and all my friends and family will be shifting from Ubuntu to Kubuntu with the coming LTS release. Long live Kubuntu ! From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu Tue Feb 7 17:57:57 2012 From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:57:57 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> Message-ID: <4F316625.7010506@math.dartmouth.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/2012 10:10 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote: >> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: >>> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably >>> accurate representation) >>> >>> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ >>> >>> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor >>> installs. >> >> I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the >> latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then. > > True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many > participate. Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the Ubuntu > flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html > > Just theorizing as to their rationalization. Usage vs cost of support. > > Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more effort > into it. The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and attention to > useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption. > >> >> KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might >> give a better picture. > > I didn't have much luck digging up those stats. Not much of a scientific digging, but here are some entries from http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_inst.gz file, starting with the heading: #Format # # is the package name; # is the number of people who installed this package; # is the number of people who use this package regularly; # is the number of people who installed, but don't use this package # regularly; # is the number of people who upgraded this package recently; # is the number of people whose entry didn't contain enough # information (atime and ctime were 0). #rank name inst vote old recent no-files 764 ubuntu-desktop 1648341 0 0 0 1648341 (Matt Zimmerman) 2829 kubuntu-desktop 217943 0 0 0 217943 (Jonathan Riddell) 4329 xubuntu-desktop 90057 0 0 0 90057 (Xubuntu Developers) 8650 edubuntu-desktop 18096 0 0 0 18096 (Oliver Grawert) 577 gdm 1941254 80087 1855605 5217 345 2460 kdm 289248 10315 272239 6640 54 This would put Kubuntu at 13-15% of installs, though there might be more representative stats somewhere else. - -- Sarunas Burdulis Systems Administrator Department of Mathematics, Dartmouth College http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8xZiUACgkQejaFVltl6E/7dQCgqqYxJxelyvBkQaroO9ythEqu rCcAn2+FNnSW/1aipxUbER1cCJycfWVc =THaJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Feb 7 18:05:48 2012 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:05:48 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> Message-ID: > I am sorry to say that I can't help but see a very nasty move from > Canonical here. The timing speaks for itself, after including Kubuntu as > a full citizen with a LTS release, Canonical "pulls the plug" few weeks > before it's actually out. The subject line here is misleading, "pulls the plug" isn't entirely right, it won't get the same resources but it can still continue with the same resouces canonical gives to other community flavours. >What happened for them to suddenly realize > they couldn't afford to keep one developer on Kubuntu ? It's rational business sense not to spend money on something that isn't making money. > In any case I am sticking with Kubuntu which is becoming better with > every release, and all my friends and family will be shifting from > Ubuntu to Kubuntu with the coming LTS release. Great :) Jonathan From kubuntu-users at whamra.com Tue Feb 7 18:33:37 2012 From: kubuntu-users at whamra.com (Waleed Hamra) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:33:37 +0200 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4F316E81.8020501@whamra.com> On 07/02/12 20:05, Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> I am sorry to say that I can't help but see a very nasty move from >> Canonical here. The timing speaks for itself, after including Kubuntu as >> a full citizen with a LTS release, Canonical "pulls the plug" few weeks >> before it's actually out. > > The subject line here is misleading, "pulls the plug" isn't entirely > right, it won't get the same resources but it can still continue with > the same resouces canonical gives to other community flavours. > >> What happened for them to suddenly realize >> they couldn't afford to keep one developer on Kubuntu ? > > It's rational business sense not to spend money on something that > isn't making money. > >> In any case I am sticking with Kubuntu which is becoming better with >> every release, and all my friends and family will be shifting from >> Ubuntu to Kubuntu with the coming LTS release. > > Great :) > > Jonathan > so let's try and understand what this really means. kubuntu uses the same repositories as ubuntu. it is mainly ubuntu with KDE instead of GNOME. as i understand, Canonical was using some payed developer(s) to work on the KDE portion of the system? if so, how many? and how important is their work, compared to the many other community developers? and in all cases, KDE is developed by KDE developers, the work done here is modifying some stuff to be ubuntu-ish, and packaging... then again, isnt some of that already done in debian before ubuntu, or is KDE a special case, and gets imported from KDE directly, without going through debian? thanks in advance for any answers. -- Waleed K. 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This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE > as well. > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ That is about a 10-33 Tor vacuum. IOW, it sucks. Sorry Jonathon. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: All most people want is a little more than they'll ever get. From stvrly at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 20:26:06 2012 From: stvrly at gmail.com (Steve Riley) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:26:06 -0800 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F316625.7010506@math.dartmouth.edu> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> <4F316625.7010506@math.dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: <2102073.IDjqC46NZg@sriley-t410> On 2012-02-07 12:57:57 Sarunas Burdulis wrote: > Not much of a scientific digging, but here are some entries from > http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_inst.gz file, starting with the heading: > > #Format > # > # is the package name; > # is the number of people who installed this package; > # is the number of people who use this package regularly; > # is the number of people who installed, but don't use this package > # regularly; > # is the number of people who upgraded this package recently; > # is the number of people whose entry didn't contain enough > # information (atime and ctime were 0). > #rank name inst vote old recent no-files > > 764 ubuntu-desktop 1648341 0 0 0 1648341 (Matt Zimmerman) > 2829 kubuntu-desktop 217943 0 0 0 217943 (Jonathan Riddell) > 4329 xubuntu-desktop 90057 0 0 0 90057 (Xubuntu Developers) > 8650 edubuntu-desktop 18096 0 0 0 18096 (Oliver Grawert) > > 577 gdm 1941254 80087 1855605 5217 345 > 2460 kdm 289248 10315 272239 6640 54 > > This would put Kubuntu at 13-15% of installs, though there might be more > representative stats somewhere else. Even these stats might not be fully representative. For some time now, rather than installing kubuntu-desktop, I build systems using the alternate installer CD and running the advanced-mode CLI. I like the initial boot to be simple, just landing at a shell prompt. I perform a few pre-DE customizations -- purge Plymouth and Apparmor, alter default mount options, set up some power-saving scripts. Then I install kde-standard, after which I add the kde-goodies PPA. But before rebooting I do a bit more pruning and grafting -- mostly replacing some of the default apps with others (Konqueror -> Rekonq, Kopete -> Quassel, Juk -> Amarok, DragonPlayer -> Bangarang, a few others). Finally I add the xorg-edgers and intel-sna PPAs. One more update && dist- upgrade, then reboot and voila, a KDE built just to my liking. Surely I'm not the only KDE-on-Unbuntu person who builds this way? ;) --Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rterry at pacific.net.au Tue Feb 7 21:10:11 2012 From: rterry at pacific.net.au (richard terry) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:10:11 +1100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <201202071437.26191.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <201202071437.26191.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <201202080810.11997.rterry@pacific.net.au> On Wednesday 08 February 2012 06:37:26 gene heskett wrote: > On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 02:36:24 PM Basil Chupin did opine: > > Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > > > > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be > > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat > > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as > > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with > > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE > > as well. > > > > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ > > That is about a 10-33 Tor vacuum. IOW, it sucks. Sorry Jonathon. > > Cheers, Gene > I suspect there are zillions more users of kubuntu than register and who don't post to this forum like myself. I've got it on 2 laptops, 6 other pc's, I'vce stacks of friends who have it running at home on a machine along side their windows boxes. Great pity if it didn't continue. richard From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Tue Feb 7 21:19:27 2012 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (doug) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:19:27 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> Message-ID: <4F31955F.5070701@optonline.net> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate > representation) > > http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ > > Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs. > > Rather surprising, imho. > > /snip/ I looked at Kubuntu about a year ago. It was the absolute worst rendition of KDE that I have ever seen. It's no wonder nobody wants it! --doug From jfrantzius at googlemail.com Tue Feb 7 22:56:45 2012 From: jfrantzius at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_von_Frantzius?=) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:56:45 +0100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F31955F.5070701@optonline.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F31955F.5070701@optonline.net> Message-ID: Makes me wonder why you're on this mailing list? Last year I setup Kubuntu on a modern Laptop, with graphics, sound, WiFi and even Bluetooth working instantly and flawlessly, just great. 2012/2/7 doug > On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: > >> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably >> accurate >> representation) >> >> http://ubuntucounter.**geekosophical.net/ >> >> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs. >> >> Rather surprising, imho. >> >> /snip/ >> > I looked at Kubuntu about a year ago. It was the absolute worst rendition > of KDE that I have ever seen. > It's no wonder nobody wants it! > > --doug > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 23:04:05 2012 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:04:05 +1000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F31955F.5070701@optonline.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F31955F.5070701@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4490318.jikQLgxFpr@lindsay-kubuntu-12> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 04:19:27 PM doug wrote: > I looked at Kubuntu about a year ago. It was the absolute worst > rendition of KDE that I have ever seen. > It's no wonder nobody wants it! I see this come up ofte - I don't get it. I try all the alternate KDE distro's on a regular basis, there's bugger all difference between them as far as the actual kde setup/experience goes. Kubuntu is probably the most uptodate distro. -- Lindsay From rtgkid at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 23:30:40 2012 From: rtgkid at gmail.com (Ryan Gauger) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:30:40 -0600 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F31B420.6040802@gmail.com> On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE > as well. > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ > I am sorry about this. Canonical did treat Kubuntu as though it was higher (which it was in my opinion) than any other Ubuntu derivative. In my opinion, Kubuntu is the best Linux distribution that uses KDE by default. KDE in my opinion is beautiful, and with the OS X Lion default space wallpaper, it looks as attractive as OS X Lion. No other desktop environment (or distribution) is as beautiful as KDE or Kubuntu either. From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Feb 7 23:36:32 2012 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:36:32 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F316E81.8020501@whamra.com> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> <4F316E81.8020501@whamra.com> Message-ID: > kubuntu uses the > same repositories as ubuntu. it is mainly ubuntu with KDE instead of > GNOME. as i understand Kubuntu is an Ubuntu flavour which comes with KDE Software. Ubuntu [Desktop] is another flavour which comes with Unity and other software. > how > important is their work, compared to the many other community developers? We are going to find out. But 11.10 was released without a Canonical staff member working on it so that's a good sign. > and in all cases, KDE is developed by KDE developers, the work done here > is modifying some stuff to be ubuntu-ish, and packaging... then again, > isnt some of that already done in debian before ubuntu, or is KDE a > special case, and gets imported from KDE directly, without going through > debian? The Kubuntu team packages KDE Software. Our KDE packages are typically based on Debian packages but are usually more up to date. Packaging is most of what we do along with plenty of testing, some bug fixing and a bit of feature development. Jonathan From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Feb 7 23:37:47 2012 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:37:47 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F31B420.6040802@gmail.com> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F31B420.6040802@gmail.com> Message-ID: > No other desktop environment > (or distribution) is as beautiful as KDE or Kubuntu either. Thanks for your kind words :) Jonathan From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Feb 8 00:30:16 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:30:16 +1100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4F31C218.7000407@iinet.net.au> On 08/02/12 05:05, Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> I am sorry to say that I can't help but see a very nasty move from >> Canonical here. The timing speaks for itself, after including Kubuntu as >> a full citizen with a LTS release, Canonical "pulls the plug" few weeks >> before it's actually out. > The subject line here is misleading, "pulls the plug" isn't entirely > right, it won't get the same resources but it can still continue with > the same resouces canonical gives to other community flavours. > >> What happened for them to suddenly realize >> they couldn't afford to keep one developer on Kubuntu ? > It's rational business sense not to spend money on something that > isn't making money. Ah, and so all the other flavours ARE making money, especially Ubuntu with Unity? Give us a break :-) ..... And sorry to see you lose your job :-( . BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Feb 8 02:11:31 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:11:31 +1100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F31B420.6040802@gmail.com> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F31B420.6040802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F31D9D3.8050400@iinet.net.au> On 08/02/12 10:30, Ryan Gauger wrote: > On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> >> >> Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be >> funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat >> Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as >> Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with >> infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE >> as well. >> >> >> http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ >> > I am sorry about this. Canonical did treat Kubuntu as though it was > higher (which it was in my opinion) than any other Ubuntu derivative. > In my opinion, Kubuntu is the best Linux distribution that uses KDE by > default. KDE in my opinion is beautiful, and with the OS X Lion > default space wallpaper, it looks as attractive as OS X Lion. No other > desktop environment (or distribution) is as beautiful as KDE or > Kubuntu either. You like this?: http://picpaste.com/wallpaper1-yUaQhpKx.jpg or this one?: http://picpaste.com/wallpaper2-SJaVwQQD.jpg KDE desktop certainly (KDE 4.8 in fact) - but *not* Kubuntu. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From lahc2007 at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 03:26:22 2012 From: lahc2007 at gmail.com (Leslie Anne Chatterton) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:26:22 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F31C218.7000407@iinet.net.au> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> <4F31C218.7000407@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Basil, As I understand it Canonical makes nothing from any of their distros directly. Their income stream comes from selling support, mainly to corporate users, although anyone can buy a package. We are simply the alpha (for the truly adventurous), beta (for the curious) and final release testers. In return for the dedicated few filing bug reports the rest of us get a good product at an unbeatable price. MS must be green with envy that Canonical doesn't have to pay people to test their software! For reasons not made public Mark S. et al believe that Ubuntu is the platform most acceptable to the big market so it gets the lion's share of attention. Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet On Feb 7, 2012 7:31 PM, "Basil Chupin" wrote: > On 08/02/12 05:05, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > >> I am sorry to say that I can't help but see a very nasty move from >>> Canonical here. The timing speaks for itself, after including Kubuntu as >>> a full citizen with a LTS release, Canonical "pulls the plug" few weeks >>> before it's actually out. >>> >> The subject line here is misleading, "pulls the plug" isn't entirely >> right, it won't get the same resources but it can still continue with >> the same resouces canonical gives to other community flavours. >> >> What happened for them to suddenly realize >>> they couldn't afford to keep one developer on Kubuntu ? >>> >> It's rational business sense not to spend money on something that >> isn't making money. >> > > > Ah, and so all the other flavours ARE making money, especially Ubuntu with > Unity? Give us a break :-) ..... > > And sorry to see you lose your job :-( . > > BC > > -- > Aspire to inspire before you expire. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Feb 8 03:48:44 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:48:44 +1100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> <4F31C218.7000407@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F31F09C.3050807@iinet.net.au> On 08/02/12 14:26, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote: > > Basil, > > As I understand it Canonical makes nothing from any of their distros > directly. Their income stream comes from selling support, mainly to > corporate users, although anyone can buy a package. We are simply the > alpha (for the truly adventurous), beta (for the curious) and final > release testers. In return for the dedicated few filing bug reports > the rest of us get a good product at an unbeatable price. MS must be > green with envy that Canonical doesn't have to pay people to test > their software! > > For reasons not made public Mark S. et al believe that Ubuntu is the > platform most acceptable to the big market so it gets the lion's share > of attention. > Thank you for your input and explanation which is greatly appreciated. > Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet > I am wondering: does this Android tablet of yours use Ubuntu or Kubuntu? Asking because this is the first time I am "hearing" about this Motorola tablet. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From rjlapham at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 04:05:52 2012 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:05:52 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F31C218.7000407@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <201202072305.52202.rjlapham@gmail.com> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:26:22 PM Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote: > MS must be green with envy that Canonical doesn't have to pay people to > test their software! The common complaint is that MS doesn't either. :-) -Jerry ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= "...San Francisco, where you take a chance on being turned to salt if you look back when you are leaving." - Dick Boland From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Feb 8 04:51:00 2012 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:51:00 -0600 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F31F09C.3050807@iinet.net.au> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> <4F31C218.7000407@iinet.net.au> <4F31F09C.3050807@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F31FF34.8030008@swbell.net> On 02/07/2012 09:48 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > I am wondering: does this Android tablet of yours use Ubuntu or Kubuntu? > Asking because this is the first time I am "hearing" about this Motorola > tablet. > > BC Android is an operating system. There's a version of Android for Intel Atom based netbooks. Worked pretty well on my Asus EeePC -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From lahc2007 at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 05:18:41 2012 From: lahc2007 at gmail.com (Leslie Anne Chatterton) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 00:18:41 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F31F09C.3050807@iinet.net.au> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> <4F31C218.7000407@iinet.net.au> <4F31F09C.3050807@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Basil, No, my tablet uses Google's Android Honeycomb 3.2. You don't hear much about it because sales were disappointing even though it was "best of show" at CES 2011. That often seems to be the kiss of death - remember the Palm Pre? I thought so... This tablet came with Honeycomb 3.0.1 and two updates have brought it to where it is now - fully functional and fun to use. All the new Android versions have dessert names, and numbers: this one will be updated to ICS (Ice Cream Sandwich, version 4.0) at some time in the near future. As Billie has stated there is an Android for PC's though not an official one, i. e. don't expect it to work. There is also an unofficial port of Ubuntu to phones and tablets. I don't have it and wouldn't want it. I'm just not that adventurous! Kubuntu 11.10 lives on my Wind netbook, 3 home brew and ancient desktop PC's and a Gateway laptop. With very few exceptions I've found Kubuntu very stable, visually attractive and useful. I'll use it forever, but I wouldn't mind slightly less frequent new versions. I'm looking forward to Precise 12.04 in April. With 5 years support it's a keeper. Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet On Feb 7, 2012 10:50 PM, "Basil Chupin" wrote: > On 08/02/12 14:26, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote: > >> >> Basil, >> >> As I understand it Canonical makes nothing from any of their distros >> directly. Their income stream comes from selling support, mainly to >> corporate users, although anyone can buy a package. We are simply the alpha >> (for the truly adventurous), beta (for the curious) and final release >> testers. In return for the dedicated few filing bug reports the rest of us >> get a good product at an unbeatable price. MS must be green with envy that >> Canonical doesn't have to pay people to test their software! >> >> For reasons not made public Mark S. et al believe that Ubuntu is the >> platform most acceptable to the big market so it gets the lion's share of >> attention. >> >> > Thank you for your input and explanation which is greatly appreciated. > > Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet >> >> > I am wondering: does this Android tablet of yours use Ubuntu or Kubuntu? > Asking because this is the first time I am "hearing" about this Motorola > tablet. > > BC > > -- > Aspire to inspire before you expire. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My Asus EeePC doesn't have a touch screen and Android is definitely meant for a touch screen. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From lahc2007 at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 06:03:51 2012 From: lahc2007 at gmail.com (Leslie Anne Chatterton) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:03:51 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F320C0B.4010508@swbell.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> <4F31C218.7000407@iinet.net.au> <4F31F09C.3050807@iinet.net.au> <4F320C0B.4010508@swbell.net> Message-ID: Billie, I looked at the Android-X86 website but there was nothing specific for any computers I have. I may try one out just for fun! On 8 February 2012 00:45, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 02/07/2012 11:18 PM, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote: >> >> As Billie has stated there is an Android for PC's though not an official >> one, i. e. don't expect it to work. > > > I downloaded the CD and booted my Asus on it. Worked like a charm. Just a > bit weird. You can tell it's a cell phone/tablet OS. My Asus EeePC doesn't > have a touch screen and Android is definitely meant for a touch screen. > > > > -- > “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the >  people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest > it come to dominate our lives and interests”. > > - Patrick  Henry - > > > _ _...  ..._ _ > _._  ._  .....  ._..  ...  .._ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 06:15:02 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:15:02 +0200 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4F3212E6.20808@gmail.com> On 07/02/12 20:05, Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> I am sorry to say that I can't help but see a very nasty move from >> Canonical here. The timing speaks for itself, after including Kubuntu as >> a full citizen with a LTS release, Canonical "pulls the plug" few weeks >> before it's actually out. > > The subject line here is misleading, "pulls the plug" isn't entirely > right, it won't get the same resources but it can still continue with > the same resouces canonical gives to other community flavours. > >> What happened for them to suddenly realize >> they couldn't afford to keep one developer on Kubuntu ? > > It's rational business sense not to spend money on something that > isn't making money. > >> In any case I am sticking with Kubuntu which is becoming better with >> every release, and all my friends and family will be shifting from >> Ubuntu to Kubuntu with the coming LTS release. > Have been using Kubuntu since 7.04 and dumped Windows from my PC somewhere around 7.10 I think (can't really remember any longer..). I (or we rather) use Kubuntu versions from 8.04 and up on a number of desktops and laptops. While there has been more problems with some versions than with others (I still fondly remember 9.10 as "plain working") and I am the only one using 11.10 I still think it is a great KDE distro. Have never understood the whole "it is the worst/bad KDE" bla bla bla. Would like to thank Jonathan for his hard work and for regularly interacting with the users on this list, not a too common feature among packagers/developers in my experience. NOW - I am convinced that Kubuntu will survive as a "community distro" as so many other distros do. And all other "flavors" of Ubuntu do.. There is a large (I believe) community around Kubuntu that keeps various PPA's going and that assist in finding bugs etc. So I hope and believe the "doom and gloom" writing is a bit overdramatising the situation. We have a LTS release coming up, let's see how that comes out and then what happens next. Best to all of you, Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 06:18:41 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:18:41 +0200 Subject: Canonical and Kubuntu future Message-ID: <4F3213C1.8020906@gmail.com> Blogged by Apachelogger, well known dev of Kubuntu. Well worth a read and answers a lot of questions. http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/ Best Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 06:25:11 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:25:11 +0200 Subject: Canonical and Kubuntu future Message-ID: <4F321547.1060900@gmail.com> Blogged by Apachelogger, well known dev of Kubuntu. Well worth a read and answers a lot of questions. http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/ Best Sinclair From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 06:42:53 2012 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:42:53 +1000 Subject: Canonical and Kubuntu future In-Reply-To: <4F321547.1060900@gmail.com> References: <4F321547.1060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8 February 2012 16:25, O. Sinclair wrote: > Blogged by Apachelogger, well known dev of Kubuntu. Well worth a read and > answers a lot of questions. > > http://apachelog.wordpress.**com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-**did-not-change/ > Very interesting, thanks. -- Lindsay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Feb 8 10:42:28 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:42:28 +1100 Subject: Canonical and Kubuntu future In-Reply-To: References: <4F321547.1060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F325194.4060203@iinet.net.au> On 08/02/12 17:42, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > > On 8 February 2012 16:25, O. Sinclair > wrote: > > Blogged by Apachelogger, well known dev of Kubuntu. Well worth a > read and answers a lot of questions. > > http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/ > > > Very interesting, thanks. Interesting? Perhaps. More of a Motherhood statement really. If you care to read carefully you will ask yourself, "Kubuntu at the moment but what about the other "variations on a theme? What will happen to them? Will Unity go the same way I wonder, totally reliant on "community support"? BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From rodlovett at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 8 11:20:53 2012 From: rodlovett at ozemail.com.au (Rod Lovett) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:20:53 +1100 Subject: Even Linus Torvalds preferred KDE--- Message-ID: <4F325A95.8030803@ozemail.com.au> Even Linus Torvalds preferred KDE, Gnome is going down a less than optimal path at present, perhaps more for the masses, of which there are millions. I guess Mark Shuttleworth only votes for the masses, but he may lose a lot of users the way things are going. Some folks are even at last trying Kubuntu which has always been treated as a second class citizen and preferring it. Oh well he thinks he knows where the money is, but downgrading that fine desktop distro Kubuntu, is in my humble opinion an error of judgement. As far as MS being green with envy ha ha, they only ever make you pay heaps for at best beta software, hence service pack1 etc after all the complaints are in. Unlike open source, MS takes ages to get better and squash bugs. I do hope Kubuntu can keep going despite the sword of Damocles approach by King Ubuntu which is not exhibiting much humanity at present to the other great desktop. I hope we are not reduced to getting rid of the ubuntu-desktop and grafting the KDE-desktop onto it, that is of course if it is even left in the repos in a satisfactory state. Regards Rod From sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Feb 8 11:51:44 2012 From: sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk (Sid Boyce) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:51:44 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F3261D0.5010703@blueyonder.co.uk> On 08/02/12 03:26, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 > 16:19:27 -0500 From: doug To: > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Canonical pulls the plug > on Kubuntu Message-ID: <4F31955F.5070701 at optonline.net> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, > Thomas K Gamble wrote: >> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate >> representation) >> >> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ >> >> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs. >> >> Rather surprising, imho. >> >> /snip/ > I looked at Kubuntu about a year ago. It was the absolute worst > rendition of KDE that I have ever seen. > It's no wonder nobody wants it! > > --doug > I use Kubuntu 11.10 on 2 x86_64 boxes, Unity 11.10 on a BeagleBoard ARM platform and Unity on 12.04 on a x86_64 laptop run from a USB stick. I also run 3 openSUSE 12.2 Milestone 0 boxes with KDE. Unity is not nice, to put it politely and I don't see where it's heading. There is absolutely nothing wrong with KDE and I for one prefer it. I know there were scathing comments when KDE4 was introduced, that was in spite of the clear warnings given by the developers that the intention was to get it out there to receive bug reports, etc. There was no distro that forced it on users but as usual the barbs came in spades and I'm sure they were expected. There were useful bug reports and observations fed back which led to fixes and improvements, the barbs duly consigned to the waste bin where they belonged though some may have been helpful. The developers knew the state of the code and users were forewarned even if they didn't heed the caveats issued. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot, Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks From rap at ramonantonio.net Wed Feb 8 12:07:59 2012 From: rap at ramonantonio.net (Ramon Antonio Parada) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:07:59 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu code projects Message-ID: Hello, somebody asked me what is the difference between using Kubuntu and Debian and I answered that there is a very different goal. Kubuntu is centered in the user experience while Debian main goal isn't that. For that reason Kubuntu has some extras that Debian hasn't. So where can I find a list of Kubuntu related code projects? I think it's very interesting to know better about them, just for use them, do feedback, maybe someday contribute, etc. -- Ramon Antonio Parada Skype: ramon.parada Movil: +34 651 948819 http://ramonantonio.net/ http://bigpress.net/ GPG: A168 8C2F 3FB8 03DD A835 FBB5 BD2B 21C9 710D A14E From rap at ramonantonio.net Wed Feb 8 12:09:33 2012 From: rap at ramonantonio.net (Ramon Antonio Parada) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:09:33 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu code projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have tried to find them at launchpad by doing searches at Launchad and visited Kubuntu pages but couln'd find any organized list. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Ramon Antonio Parada wrote: > Hello, > somebody asked me what is the difference between using Kubuntu and > Debian and I answered that there is a very different goal. Kubuntu is > centered in the user experience while Debian main goal isn't that. For > that reason Kubuntu has some extras that Debian hasn't. So where can I > find a list of Kubuntu related code projects? I think it's very > interesting to know better about them, just for use them, do feedback, > maybe someday contribute, etc. > > > > > -- > Ramon Antonio Parada > Skype: ramon.parada > Movil: +34 651 948819 > http://ramonantonio.net/ > http://bigpress.net/ > > > GPG: A168 8C2F 3FB8 03DD A835 FBB5 BD2B 21C9 710D A14E -- Ramon Antonio Parada Skype: ramon.parada Movil: +34 651 948819 http://ramonantonio.net/ http://bigpress.net/ GPG: A168 8C2F 3FB8 03DD A835 FBB5 BD2B 21C9 710D A14E From fatgerman at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 12:10:46 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:10:46 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F3261D0.5010703@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4F3261D0.5010703@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: On 8 Feb 2012, at 11:51, Sid Boyce wrote: > On 08/02/12 03:26, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:19:27 -0500 From: doug To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu Message-ID: <4F31955F.5070701 at optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote: >>> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate >>> representation) >>> >>> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ >>> >>> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs. >>> >>> Rather surprising, imho. >>> >>> /snip/ >> I looked at Kubuntu about a year ago. It was the absolute worst >> rendition of KDE that I have ever seen. >> It's no wonder nobody wants it! >> >> --doug >> > I use Kubuntu 11.10 on 2 x86_64 boxes, Unity 11.10 on a BeagleBoard ARM platform and Unity on 12.04 on a x86_64 laptop run from a USB stick. > > I also run 3 openSUSE 12.2 Milestone 0 boxes with KDE. > > Unity is not nice, to put it politely and I don't see where it's heading. > > There is absolutely nothing wrong with KDE and I for one prefer it. > > I know there were scathing comments when KDE4 was introduced, that was in spite of the clear warnings given by the developers that the intention was to get it out there to receive bug reports, etc. > There was no distro that forced it on users but as usual the barbs came in spades and I'm sure they were expected. That's not true. I was a Mandriva user at the time and KDE 4.1 was the default desktop in their 2010 release. It was buggy as hell and it was at that time I switched to Ubuntu for a year before finally switching to Kubuntu when KDE4 improved to the point where I could run it on a daily basis. Yes the early releases were released with caveats, but in my view this was a huge mistake. A lot of Linux users like to keep up to date with the latest releases - to get up to date kernels and up to date software packages. Around that time if we wanted to do that we had no choice but to get KDE4 as well, despite it being only partially complete. KDE4 should not even have been made public unit 4.2 and even then that would have been classed as alpha software in my book. If you release a default desktop people expect it to basically work, which KDE4 didn't - this is not an unreasonable expectation. This made people angry and you know what the internet is like - angry people will write angry emails and that's what happened. And now we see the same thing happening all over again with Unity. Lessons clearly were not learned. The past two years in Linux have been the era of beta software, more so than at any time I can remember, and people are getting fed up. Perhaps, with Kubuntu not being "commercially sponsored" any more, people will actually start to to expect less of it. I know that a lot of my criticism of it recently has been based on the fact that I expect better from a distro that is bankrolled by a billionaire. It's still to my mind the best of the KDE distros (I installed Debian wheezy yesterday and was not impressed). Perhaps we'll now see more of a community spirit around it. Mark > > There were useful bug reports and observations fed back which led to fixes and improvements, the barbs duly consigned to the waste bin where they belonged though some may have been helpful. > The developers knew the state of the code and users were forewarned even if they didn't heed the caveats issued. > Regards > Sid. > > -- > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot, > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From blchupin at iinet.net.au Wed Feb 8 12:30:20 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:30:20 +1100 Subject: Kubuntu code projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F326ADC.8080402@iinet.net.au> On 08/02/12 23:07, Ramon Antonio Parada wrote: > Hello, > somebody asked me what is the difference between using Kubuntu and > Debian and I answered that there is a very different goal. Kubuntu is > centered in the user experience while Debian main goal isn't that. For > that reason Kubuntu has some extras that Debian hasn't. So where can I > find a list of Kubuntu related code projects? I think it's very > interesting to know better about them, just for use them, do feedback, > maybe someday contribute, etc. A most interesting claim to make when you don't even know the answer :-D . I hope that you can find the answer to justify your so gallant claim :-) . BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From info at alvin.be Wed Feb 8 12:32:25 2012 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:32:25 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu code projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:09:33 +0100, Ramon Antonio Parada wrote: >> Hello, >> somebody asked me what is the difference between using Kubuntu and >> Debian and I answered that there is a very different goal. Kubuntu is >> centered in the user experience while Debian main goal isn't that. For >> that reason Kubuntu has some extras that Debian hasn't. So where can I >> find a list of Kubuntu related code projects? I think it's very >> interesting to know better about them, just for use them, do feedback, >> maybe someday contribute, etc. > > I have tried to find them at launchpad by doing searches at Launchad > and visited Kubuntu pages but couln'd find any organized list. I have never seen such a list either, but on top of my head: - Kubuntu is ubuntu-default with KDE on top. KDE packages are based on the pacakges from Debian, but they are more recent. You can get KDE 4.8 from a ppa. I don't think 4.8 packages for Debian exist yet. - Ubuntu is based on Debian. (Sometimes on /testing/, sometimes on /unstable/ - correct me if I'm wrong there!). Ubuntu makes some changes. For example the init system is different and less reliable than Debian's. - Ubuntu has Ubuntu-only software like Unity and UbuntuOne. (Unity can probably be run on other distro's, but I don't think anyone is interested in that.) There was never an Ubuntu One client made for Kubuntu. - Kubuntu devs try to work closely with uptream, so their work can eventually end up in Debian. - Those extra software in Kubuntu is Muon (package manager) and printer configuration for KDE. In terms of stability, you need to do some testing yourself. It all depends on what is important to you. In my personal experience: - Ubuntu is less reliable than Debian (stable). - KDE in Kubuntu is more stable than KDE on Debian because of the newer packages. I'm especially looking at KDEPIM, which is only now becoming slightly usable. For me, KDEPIM is a centerpiece. Also, KDE is not the default DE on Debian. It's the default on Kubuntu, but not on Ubuntu. That on itself doesn't tell you much. The Ubuntu default (Unity) gets more criticism than KDE and even the first KDE4 versions crashed less than the first Unity version. People tell me that Unity has gotten better, but so has KDE. Those choices are all very personal. For me, I like the fact that KDM supports XDMCP while Ubuntu's login managers do not. So, difficult choice, isn't it? From fatgerman at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 12:46:53 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:46:53 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu code projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E14736C-F88E-4B87-B8EA-5F50C88F9A30@gmail.com> On 8 Feb 2012, at 12:32, Alvin wrote: > On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:09:33 +0100, Ramon Antonio Parada wrote: > >>> Hello, >>> somebody asked me what is the difference between using Kubuntu and >>> Debian and I answered that there is a very different goal. Kubuntu is >>> centered in the user experience while Debian main goal isn't that. For >>> that reason Kubuntu has some extras that Debian hasn't. So where can I >>> find a list of Kubuntu related code projects? I think it's very >>> interesting to know better about them, just for use them, do feedback, >>> maybe someday contribute, etc. >> >> I have tried to find them at launchpad by doing searches at Launchad >> and visited Kubuntu pages but couln'd find any organized list. > > I have never seen such a list either, but on top of my head: > > - Kubuntu is ubuntu-default with KDE on top. KDE packages are based on the pacakges from Debian, but they are more recent. You can get KDE 4.8 from a ppa. I don't think 4.8 packages for Debian exist yet. > - Ubuntu is based on Debian. (Sometimes on /testing/, sometimes on /unstable/ - correct me if I'm wrong there!). Ubuntu makes some changes. For example the init system is different and less reliable than Debian's. > - Ubuntu has Ubuntu-only software like Unity and UbuntuOne. (Unity can probably be run on other distro's, but I don't think anyone is interested in that.) There was never an Ubuntu One client made for Kubuntu. > - Kubuntu devs try to work closely with uptream, so their work can eventually end up in Debian. > - Those extra software in Kubuntu is Muon (package manager) and printer configuration for KDE. I think there's more than that - the Restricted Drivers manager comes to mind immediately. Installing nvidia drivers in Debian is a bit of a pain; it's necessary to manually edit config files and search for packages from the command line just in order to get a fully working system. Not nice. Debian also have a big emphasis on "free" software so that things like firmware for network cards is not installed by default and you have to figure out for yourself which packages to install to get your wireless to work, for instance. Debian's main emphasis, as I see it, is on stability. Releases are not frequent and the underlying system (i.e. not KDE) has always been rock-solid in my experience. You pay for that though in that packages in the releases (unless you use the 'unstable' release) are generally 6 months or more behind those in Kubuntu. Kubuntu's main emphasis seems to be on user experience - it looks nicer and has more friendly install and configuration tools (Debian's installer is a horror show, albeit very reliable once you've figured out how to drive it), but can be less stable than Debian. Finally, there are definitely more packages in the repos for Ubuntu than there are for Debian - to the point where the stuff I need to get my touchpad to work has to be built from source if I use Debian, but is installed by default on Kubuntu. It's things like that that make me stick with Kubuntu. The only way to find out what you prefer is to try it. Mark > > In terms of stability, you need to do some testing yourself. It all depends on what is important to you. > In my personal experience: > - Ubuntu is less reliable than Debian (stable). > - KDE in Kubuntu is more stable than KDE on Debian because of the newer packages. I'm especially looking at KDEPIM, which is only now becoming slightly usable. For me, KDEPIM is a centerpiece. > > Also, KDE is not the default DE on Debian. It's the default on Kubuntu, but not on Ubuntu. That on itself doesn't tell you much. The Ubuntu default (Unity) gets more criticism than KDE and even the first KDE4 versions crashed less than the first Unity version. People tell me that Unity has gotten better, but so has KDE. Those choices are all very personal. For me, I like the fact that KDM supports XDMCP while Ubuntu's login managers do not. > > So, difficult choice, isn't it? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From liststuff at fastmail.com.au Wed Feb 8 13:26:48 2012 From: liststuff at fastmail.com.au (Tim Edwards) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:26:48 +0100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F3261D0.5010703@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1328707608.9803.140661033801385@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Mark Greenwood wrote: > That's not true. I was a Mandriva user at the time and KDE 4.1 was the > default desktop in their 2010 release. It was buggy as hell and it was at > that time I switched to Ubuntu for a year before finally switching to > Kubuntu when KDE4 improved to the point where I could run it on a daily > basis. > > Yes the early releases were released with caveats, but in my view this > was a huge mistake. A lot of Linux users like to keep up to date with the > latest releases - to get up to date kernels and up to date software > packages. Around that time if we wanted to do that we had no choice but > to get KDE4 as well, despite it being only partially complete. KDE4 > should not even have been made public unit 4.2 and even then that would > have been classed as alpha software in my book. If you release a default > desktop people expect it to basically work, which KDE4 didn't - this is > not an unreasonable expectation. This made people angry and you know what > the internet is like - angry people will write angry emails and that's > what happened. And now we see the same thing happening all over again > with Unity. Lessons clearly were not learned. The past two years in Linux > have been the era of beta software, more so than at any time I can > remember, and people are getting fed up. > > Perhaps, with Kubuntu not being "commercially sponsored" any more, people > will actually start to to expect less of it. I know that a lot of my > criticism of it recently has been based on the fact that I expect better > from a distro that is bankrolled by a billionaire. It's still to my mind > the best of the KDE distros (I installed Debian wheezy yesterday and was > not impressed). Perhaps we'll now see more of a community spirit around > it. +1 to all this. IMHO there was a massive failure in communication around the early 4 releases which could've been avoided by simply adding the words 'beta' and 'alpha', i.e. "KDE 4.0 alpha", "KDE 4.1 alpha", "KDE 4.2 beta" up to maybe "KDE 4.4". Tim From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 14:29:58 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:29:58 +0200 Subject: Canonical and Kubuntu future In-Reply-To: <4F325194.4060203@iinet.net.au> References: <4F321547.1060900@gmail.com> <4F325194.4060203@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F3286E6.9040505@gmail.com> On 08/02/12 12:42, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 08/02/12 17:42, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: >> >> On 8 February 2012 16:25, O. Sinclair > > wrote: >> >> Blogged by Apachelogger, well known dev of Kubuntu. Well worth a >> read and answers a lot of questions. >> >> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/ >> >> >> Very interesting, thanks. > > Interesting? Perhaps. > > More of a Motherhood statement really. > > If you care to read carefully you will ask yourself, "Kubuntu at the > moment but what about the other "variations on a theme? What will happen > to them? Will Unity go the same way I wonder, totally reliant on > "community support"? > > BC > I would doubt that Unity goes that way unless it turns into a disaster - as that is Canonicals choice for THE Ubuntu distro. From valtermura at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 09:59:50 2012 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:59:50 +0100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F3154F6.4060204@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4F3154F6.4060204@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1608706.FnxaOkoa3e@valter-rete> In data martedì 7 febbraio 2012 16:44:38, Sid Boyce ha scritto: > Time to move to another distro that doesn't show such contempt for its > users with an attitude that says they will damn well use what we give them. I agree with you Sid. If Kubuntu should go worse and worse, I'll change distro, even if I'm an active contributor of Kubuntu (localization). I'll continue to contribute to KDE, obviuosly. I've chosen KDE as my preferred DE, and I don't like Gnome very much. Note also that, while KDE team develops many important apps, like Kontact, Kmail, Koffice, integrated in Kubuntu, Gnome doesn't. Now default e-mail and browser for Ubuntu/Gnome are Thunderbird and Firefox, which are a Mozilla project. I think this is an easier way to work. The (my real) dream is that all Distro teams "unify" their efforts to create a big, strong, stable, to create an unique, KDE distro able to compete with major companies' software (I mean Windows and Apple). Of course, there could be some task-oriented variants (e.g., for graphics, music, edu, and so on), but the core should be only one with one year cycle and a great community involved to develop and test it. Let's see :) -- Valter *Open Source is better!* Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org KDE: www.kde.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org From buzzmandt at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 12:10:03 2012 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:10:03 -0500 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1608706.FnxaOkoa3e@valter-rete> References: <4F3154F6.4060204@blueyonder.co.uk> <1608706.FnxaOkoa3e@valter-rete> Message-ID: I just don't see it being that big a deal. The other *buntu derivatives are quite good and have a strong loyal following (even more so now that unity has reared its fugly head). So long as buntu base is still the best base and kde running on top of that we still have the best distro out there. Add to that the community will make the decisions and not be handcuffed by canonical and we'll have more followers/users than Ubuntu itself. On Feb 9, 2012 5:01 AM, "Valter Mura" wrote: > In data martedì 7 febbraio 2012 16:44:38, Sid Boyce ha scritto: > > > Time to move to another distro that doesn't show such contempt for its > > users with an attitude that says they will damn well use what we give > them. > > I agree with you Sid. If Kubuntu should go worse and worse, I'll change > distro, even if I'm an active contributor of Kubuntu (localization). > > I'll continue to contribute to KDE, obviuosly. > > I've chosen KDE as my preferred DE, and I don't like Gnome very much. > > Note also that, while KDE team develops many important apps, like Kontact, > Kmail, Koffice, integrated in Kubuntu, Gnome doesn't. Now default e-mail > and > browser for Ubuntu/Gnome are Thunderbird and Firefox, which are a Mozilla > project. I think this is an easier way to work. > > The (my real) dream is that all Distro teams "unify" their efforts to > create a > big, strong, stable, to create an unique, KDE distro able to compete with > major companies' software (I mean Windows and Apple). Of course, there > could > be some task-oriented variants (e.g., for graphics, music, edu, and so on), > but the core should be only one with one year cycle and a great community > involved to develop and test it. > > Let's see :) > > -- > Valter > *Open Source is better!* > Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org > KDE: www.kde.org > LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 9 17:07:09 2012 From: sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk (Sid Boyce) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:07:09 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1608706.FnxaOkoa3e@valter-rete> References: <4F3154F6.4060204@blueyonder.co.uk> <1608706.FnxaOkoa3e@valter-rete> Message-ID: <4F33FD3D.5010901@blueyonder.co.uk> On 09/02/12 09:59, Valter Mura wrote: > In data martedì 7 febbraio 2012 16:44:38, Sid Boyce ha scritto: > >> Time to move to another distro that doesn't show such contempt for its >> users with an attitude that says they will damn well use what we give them. > I agree with you Sid. If Kubuntu should go worse and worse, I'll change > distro, even if I'm an active contributor of Kubuntu (localization). > > I'll continue to contribute to KDE, obviuosly. > > I've chosen KDE as my preferred DE, and I don't like Gnome very much. > > Note also that, while KDE team develops many important apps, like Kontact, > Kmail, Koffice, integrated in Kubuntu, Gnome doesn't. Now default e-mail and > browser for Ubuntu/Gnome are Thunderbird and Firefox, which are a Mozilla > project. I think this is an easier way to work. > > The (my real) dream is that all Distro teams "unify" their efforts to create a > big, strong, stable, to create an unique, KDE distro able to compete with > major companies' software (I mean Windows and Apple). Of course, there could > be some task-oriented variants (e.g., for graphics, music, edu, and so on), > but the core should be only one with one year cycle and a great community > involved to develop and test it. > > Let's see :) > We shall see. I hope Kubuntu lives even as an offshoot. Gnome's take is that customers/users get confused by customisation, based on some gut feeling it seems. KDE allows most things to be customised but I don't see users getting confused and running away. One complaint, if you can call it that, from the City of Largo in Florida was that with a new release their workers spent a lot of time customising their desktops, but they didn't seem to consider the initial productivity loss particularly significant. The belief that drives Unity is that most people use mobile phones and that their desktop should eventually look exactly the same, except desktops do not suffer from the same lack of display real-estate as mobile phones and right now Unity is a pale show of a mobile phone with a mouse attached. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot, Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks From kubuntu-users at whamra.com Thu Feb 9 19:05:24 2012 From: kubuntu-users at whamra.com (Waleed Hamra) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:05:24 +0200 Subject: Research says KDE is Best DE (and my personal opinions) Message-ID: <4F3418F4.4040000@whamra.com> http://beta.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/what-s-the-best-linux-desktop-environment--1045280 According to this techradar test between GNOME 3, Unity and KDE 4.7, KDE was the easiest to use. To quote, "While there was something to like about all of the desktops, KDE 4.7 drew the lowest number of groans. A major factor in KDE's success is its familiar interface [...] When all's said and done, though, every one of our testers was floored by KDE 4.7 across all devices. Only the most basic users noticed that instant messaging and other online services weren't integrated. There was a lot of praise for Activities, which was described as the natural extension to virtual workspaces on the Linux desktop." I am a happy KDE user, and I don't plan on moving away of it. I started using Kubuntu with 7.04. After the release of Hardy (8.04), Windows was wiped out to make space to the new master of this computer. Yes, KDE 4.0 and the first few releases after it were a huge nuisance. After KDE 4.2 was released, I installed OpenSUSE on a second partition to try it out. The main attraction was that I was told in OpenSUSE they apply many unofficial bug fixes, that aren't implemented upstream yet, something that is only done in the *buntu/Debian world for only the extremely drastic of bugs. OpenSUSE was nice, much more stable than Kubuntu's KDE 4.2. But, few months later, I was starting to hate the RPM system, it can never be a match to aptitude. Yast was kinda cool, but for a terminal junkie it was a nuisance. Lots of config files keep getting overwritten by other automatic programs, though I can't remember now what files these were. it was nearly 6 months, and I came back to the Kubuntu world, and wiped out OpenSUSE. Considering the release cycles, and packaging efficiencies of Kubuntu, I think this distro provides the best image for KDE. If you ask me, I think the KDE folks should even help the Kubuntu community with packaging, but I understand they can't take sides with 1 distro and not with others. I am sticking with Kubuntu for now. Kubuntu uses the Ubuntu repositories, with its 6 month release cycle, so we get a huge portion of Debian's stability and robustness, while being able to stay somewhat on the cutting edge. As much as this can draw complaints of us being beta testers, I would like to remind that had Canonical not taken that controversial path, KDE would have never gotten enough testers, and we'd probably still be in the KDE 4.3 phase now. We're not on the extreme bleeding edge, we're somewhere below. For those who want bleeding edge, there's always a ton of PPAs available on launchpad, which is a great way of staying current, without the risk of downloading deb packages from untrusted sources. So for these reasons, I am sticking with Kubuntu, as the best distro today. Hopefully, by June, I would have been done with my senior project (which is a QT program, thanks to all the KDE goodies and influence on me :) ), and I can have a lot more free time to be of more help, on this list, and elsewhere in the Kubuntu universe. Thank you for being patient enough to read all this, and sorry for this long email :) -- Waleed K. 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Well, try to look at the good side of this. My only reason for abandoning Kubuntu 8-04 was that it was going (or was already) out of support. Now that 10-04 will no longer be supported, I can go back to 8-04 and a usable version of kmail. Maybe someday I will find another useful setup with support, but in the meantime I won't miss Kubuntu post 8-04 and I will still be using Linux, which I love. Sorry for the rest of you. bruce From ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 02:04:06 2012 From: ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com (Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:34:06 -0430 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F3432C7.7030507@cox.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F3432C7.7030507@cox.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Bruce Bales wrote: > On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> >> Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> >> >> Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be >> funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat >> Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as >> Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with >> infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE >> as well. > > Well, try to look at the good side of this.  My only reason for abandoning > Kubuntu 8-04 was that it was going (or was already) out of support.  Now > that > 10-04 will no longer be supported, I can go back to 8-04 and a usable > version > of kmail.  Maybe someday I will find another useful setup with support, but > in the meantime I won't miss Kubuntu post 8-04 and I will still be using > Linux, > which I love. Well, to my good surprise, yesterday I updated to KDE 4.8 (using ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports), and kmail just started to work. I have been using it all day, with no issues. > > Sorry for the rest of you. > bruce > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 04:06:59 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:06:59 +0200 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F3432C7.7030507@cox.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F3432C7.7030507@cox.net> Message-ID: <4F3497E3.9090403@gmail.com> On 09/02/12 22:55, Bruce Bales wrote: > On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> >> >> Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be >> funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat >> Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as >> Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with >> infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE >> as well. > Well, try to look at the good side of this. My only reason for abandoning > Kubuntu 8-04 was that it was going (or was already) out of support. Now > that > 10-04 will no longer be supported, I can go back to 8-04 and a usable > version > of kmail. Maybe someday I will find another useful setup with support, but > in the meantime I won't miss Kubuntu post 8-04 and I will still be using > Linux, > which I love. > > Sorry for the rest of you. > bruce > If you love KDE3 so much check out the Trinity project but note it is essentially a one-man project. Updated kernel, ubuntu-based and an updated kde3 environment www.trinityproject.org From kassube at gmx.net Fri Feb 10 07:04:37 2012 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:04:37 +0100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F3432C7.7030507@cox.net> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F3432C7.7030507@cox.net> Message-ID: <201202100804.37226.kassube@gmx.net> Bruce Bales wrote: > Now that > 10-04 will no longer be supported, As I understand it, 10.04 is a LTS version and therefore supported for 3 years, i.e. until 2013. Or did I miss something? Nils From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 07:47:06 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:47:06 +0200 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F3432C7.7030507@cox.net> Message-ID: <4F34CB7A.5080304@gmail.com> On 10/02/12 04:04, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Bruce Bales wrote: >> On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan Riddell wrote: >>> >>> >>> Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be >>> funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat >>> Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as >>> Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with >>> infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE >>> as well. >> >> Well, try to look at the good side of this. My only reason for abandoning >> Kubuntu 8-04 was that it was going (or was already) out of support. Now >> that >> 10-04 will no longer be supported, I can go back to 8-04 and a usable >> version >> of kmail. Maybe someday I will find another useful setup with support, but >> in the meantime I won't miss Kubuntu post 8-04 and I will still be using >> Linux, >> which I love. > > Well, to my good surprise, yesterday I updated to KDE 4.8 (using > ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports), and kmail just started to work. I have > been using it all day, with no issues. > with "auto-completion" of email address from addressbook, not only "recent addresses" working? That is what made me step back to 4.7.4, that function went missing - and "distribution lists" also stopped working btw From sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Feb 10 11:55:22 2012 From: sboyce at blueyonder.co.uk (Sid Boyce) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:55:22 +0000 Subject: Research says KDE is Best DE (and my personal opinions) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F3505AA.90707@blueyonder.co.uk> On 10/02/12 07:12, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:05:24 +0200 > From: Waleed Hamra > To: Kubuntu user technical support > Subject: Research says KDE is Best DE (and my personal opinions) > Message-ID:<4F3418F4.4040000 at whamra.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://beta.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/what-s-the-best-linux-desktop-environment--1045280 > I don't know what they mean by "integrated". > I am a happy KDE user, and I don't plan on moving away of it. I started > using Kubuntu with 7.04. After the release of Hardy (8.04), Windows was > wiped out to make space to the new master of this computer. > > Yes, KDE 4.0 and the first few releases after it were a huge nuisance. > After KDE 4.2 was released, I installed OpenSUSE on a second partition > to try it out. The main attraction was that I was told in OpenSUSE they > apply many unofficial bug fixes, that aren't implemented upstream yet, > something that is only done in the *buntu/Debian world for only the > extremely drastic of bugs. OpenSUSE was nice, much more stable than > Kubuntu's KDE 4.2. But, few months later, I was starting to hate the RPM > system, it can never be a match to aptitude. Yast was kinda cool, but > for a terminal junkie it was a nuisance. Lots of config files keep > getting overwritten by other automatic programs, though I can't remember > now what files these were. it was nearly 6 months, and I came back to > the Kubuntu world, and wiped out OpenSUSE. KDE 4.0 was released with suitable warnings which were ignored by many who slated it. Somehow the 4.0 label came to be associated in some minds as an indication of stable, just a matter of semantics, perhaps they could have released it as 4_Alpha or some such, but the 4 numbering was to signify that there was no linkage to KDE3. It was never meant to be a stable release and the clearly stated intention of the developers was to get the code out there so it could be tested and so help them in their development efforts. I use both openSUSE and Kubuntu, RPM or deb - no problem at all. I've even built .deb packages on openSUSE and deployed in Kubuntu. Even as a heavy user of openSUSE, I hardly ever use YaST, I use zypper. On Kubuntu I use aptitude. Using aptitude or zypper is share simplicity. zypper can take shortened directives such as "se" for "search", "in" for "install", etc. "aptitude update" "zypper ref" "aptitude upgrade" "zypper dup" "aptitude remove" "zypper rm" "aptitude hold" "zypper al" "aptitude show" "zypper info" "apt-cache search" "zypper se" ### Will tell you if it's installed. "add-apt-repository" "zypper ar" They are both very flexible and easy tools to use. I flip seamlessly between the 2 countless times daily. Regards Sid. > -- Waleed K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Lead > Technician at Illusion Computers Megastore -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot, Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Feb 10 12:23:00 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:23:00 +1100 Subject: Research says KDE is Best DE (and my personal opinions) In-Reply-To: <4F3505AA.90707@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4F3505AA.90707@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4F350C24.2090804@iinet.net.au> On 10/02/12 22:55, Sid Boyce wrote: > On 10/02/12 07:12, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:05:24 +0200 >> From: Waleed Hamra >> To: Kubuntu user technical support >> Subject: Research says KDE is Best DE (and my personal opinions) >> Message-ID:<4F3418F4.4040000 at whamra.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> http://beta.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/what-s-the-best-linux-desktop-environment--1045280 >> >> > I don't know what they mean by "integrated". > >> I am a happy KDE user, and I don't plan on moving away of it. I started >> using Kubuntu with 7.04. After the release of Hardy (8.04), Windows was >> wiped out to make space to the new master of this computer. >> >> Yes, KDE 4.0 and the first few releases after it were a huge nuisance. >> After KDE 4.2 was released, I installed OpenSUSE on a second partition >> to try it out. The main attraction was that I was told in OpenSUSE they >> apply many unofficial bug fixes, that aren't implemented upstream yet, >> something that is only done in the *buntu/Debian world for only the >> extremely drastic of bugs. OpenSUSE was nice, much more stable than >> Kubuntu's KDE 4.2. But, few months later, I was starting to hate the RPM >> system, it can never be a match to aptitude. Yast was kinda cool, but >> for a terminal junkie it was a nuisance. Lots of config files keep >> getting overwritten by other automatic programs, though I can't remember >> now what files these were. it was nearly 6 months, and I came back to >> the Kubuntu world, and wiped out OpenSUSE. > KDE 4.0 was released with suitable warnings which were ignored by many > who slated it. > Somehow the 4.0 label came to be associated in some minds as an > indication of stable, just a matter of semantics, perhaps they could > have released it as 4_Alpha or some such, but the 4 numbering was to > signify that there was no linkage to KDE3. > It was never meant to be a stable release and the clearly stated > intention of the developers was to get the code out there so it could > be tested and so help them in their development efforts. > > I use both openSUSE and Kubuntu, RPM or deb - no problem at all. I've > even built .deb packages on openSUSE and deployed in Kubuntu. > Even as a heavy user of openSUSE, I hardly ever use YaST, I use > zypper. On Kubuntu I use aptitude. > Using aptitude or zypper is share simplicity. > zypper can take shortened directives such as "se" for "search", "in" > for "install", etc. > "aptitude update" "zypper ref" > "aptitude upgrade" "zypper dup" > "aptitude remove" "zypper rm" > "aptitude hold" "zypper al" > "aptitude show" "zypper info" > "apt-cache search" "zypper se" ### Will tell you if > it's installed. > "add-apt-repository" "zypper ar" > They are both very flexible and easy tools to use. I flip seamlessly > between the 2 countless times daily. > Regards > Sid. My daily routine starts with 4 CLI entries: su zypper refresh zypper patch zypper up and if any new patches or upgrades occur this is followed by SuSEconfig Then I get on with life..... BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 14:18:47 2012 From: ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com (Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:48:47 -0430 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F34CB7A.5080304@gmail.com> References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F3432C7.7030507@cox.net> <4F34CB7A.5080304@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:17 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 10/02/12 04:04, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Bruce Bales  wrote: >>> >>> On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Riddell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be >>>> funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat >>>> Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as >>>> Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with >>>> infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE >>>> as well. >>> >>> >>> Well, try to look at the good side of this.  My only reason for >>> abandoning >>> Kubuntu 8-04 was that it was going (or was already) out of support.  Now >>> that >>> 10-04 will no longer be supported, I can go back to 8-04 and a usable >>> version >>> of kmail.  Maybe someday I will find another useful setup with support, >>> but >>> in the meantime I won't miss Kubuntu post 8-04 and I will still be using >>> Linux, >>> which I love. >> >> >> Well, to my good surprise, yesterday I updated to KDE 4.8 (using >> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports), and kmail just started to work.  I have >> been using it all day, with no issues. >> > with "auto-completion" of email address from addressbook, not only "recent > addresses" working? That is what made me step back to 4.7.4, that function > went missing - and "distribution lists" also stopped working btw Not tried that yet, it was so broken for me before, that I was unable to used it all (it would show my Inbox empty all the time). I'll setup address book today, and let you know. From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Sat Feb 11 12:44:21 2012 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:44:21 -0600 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F3154F6.4060204@blueyonder.co.uk> <1608706.FnxaOkoa3e@valter-rete> Message-ID: <4F3662A5.2040406@lyonlabs.org> On 02/09/2012 06:10 AM, Dale Trombley wrote: > I just don't see it being that big a deal. The other *buntu derivatives > are quite good and have a strong loyal following (even more so now that > unity has reared its fugly head). +1, I'll continue using Kubuntu. I've been a Linux user since '95 (Slackware), switched to SUSE in '98, then to Ubuntu in '08. I hate what's been done with both Unity and the GNOME Shell and won't touch either of them. I stuck with Maverick at 11.04, then switched to Kubuntu at 11.10. There are things to like about Ubuntu, and as long as I can have something as beautiful as KDE on my desktop, I'll stick with it. Oh, and of course the ability to actually *configure* the desktop... what a radical idea! -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From rtgkid at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 15:11:55 2012 From: rtgkid at gmail.com (Ryan Gauger) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:11:55 -0600 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <4F3662A5.2040406@lyonlabs.org> References: <4F3154F6.4060204@blueyonder.co.uk> <1608706.FnxaOkoa3e@valter-rete> <4F3662A5.2040406@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: <4F36853B.10303@gmail.com> On 02/11/2012 06:44 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 02/09/2012 06:10 AM, Dale Trombley wrote: >> I just don't see it being that big a deal. The other *buntu derivatives >> are quite good and have a strong loyal following (even more so now that >> unity has reared its fugly head). > +1, I'll continue using Kubuntu. I've been a Linux user since '95 > (Slackware), switched to SUSE in '98, then to Ubuntu in '08. I hate > what's been done with both Unity and the GNOME Shell and won't touch > either of them. I stuck with Maverick at 11.04, then switched to Kubuntu > at 11.10. There are things to like about Ubuntu, and as long as I can > have something as beautiful as KDE on my desktop, I'll stick with it. > Oh, and of course the ability to actually *configure* the desktop... > what a radical idea! > I will continue to use Kubuntu also. I used it at 1:30 in the morning, before I went to bed. KDE 4.8 is rock-solid, and with Ubuntu being the base, how can it get any better? Thanks! From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 10:10:36 2012 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:10:36 +0200 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <13699402.uO4B6V3OO4@koolasuchus> <4F3138E7.7070703@math.dartmouth.edu> <1389115.CnUMbjluqb@koolasuchus> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:16, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > Well, lets also consider that some people doesn't really understand > what kubuntu is, and they just think that it is Ubuntu with KDE > installed, and so, if you ask them what they use, they'll answer > "Ubuntu", instead of Kubuntu. > Actually, I _do_ understand what Kubuntu is, but if you ask me what distro I use I will say Ubuntu. And my airport is in Tel Aviv (actually, it is in Lod) and my name is Dotan (actually, it is דותן). Sometimes a slight inaccuracy can save a long explanation. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From dotancohen at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 10:25:49 2012 From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:25:49 +0200 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 20:05, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > The subject line here is misleading, "pulls the plug" isn't entirely > right, it won't get the same resources but it can still continue with > the same resouces canonical gives to other community flavours. > Hi Jonathan! The issue is _quite_ that now Kubuntu will have the same resources as other community flavours. The nice thing about Kubuntu is _you_. Most contributors work on the bugs that affect them or scratch their own itch. Lots of bugs are no fun to work on and everybody would rather that "somebody else" fix them. That "somebody else" was often you from what I understand. Therefore, the "not sexy" bugs will not be fixed, and Kubuntu risks becoming a "might work if you have common hardware and short expectations" distro. > It's rational business sense not to spend money on something that > isn't making money. > I agree with this 100%. Had someone mentioned one month ago "we need N units of X currency per Z unit of time to continue with Kubuntu" I would have paid for reasonable values of N, X, and Z. I alone cannot employ you, but I would gladly subscribe to a "fund Kubuntu" cause. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com From loic.grobol at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 11:52:29 2012 From: loic.grobol at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lo=EFc_Grobol?=) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:52:29 +0100 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> <4F312D69.6030703@swbell.net> <201202070808.23268.rev.olson@gmail.com> <4F3165D4.7030502@googlemail.com> Message-ID: On 12 February 2012 11:25, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I agree with this 100%. Had someone mentioned one month ago "we need N > units of X currency per Z unit of time to continue with Kubuntu" I > would have paid for reasonable values of N, X, and Z. I alone cannot > employ you, but I would gladly subscribe to a "fund Kubuntu" cause. I second that. Is there a way? -- Loïc Grobol. M1 Mathématiques AMA. Faculté des sciences, Orléans La Source. M1 Linguistique LAASTIC. Faculté de lettres, langues et sciences humaines, Orléans La Source. From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Sun Feb 12 12:09:45 2012 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:09:45 +0000 Subject: Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4F311616.5070906@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <201202121209.47601.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Sunday 12 Feb 2012 11:52:29 Loïc Grobol wrote: > On 12 February 2012 11:25, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I agree with this 100%. Had someone mentioned one month ago "we need N > > units of X currency per Z unit of time to continue with Kubuntu" I > > would have paid for reasonable values of N, X, and Z. I alone cannot > > employ you, but I would gladly subscribe to a "fund Kubuntu" cause. > > I second that. Is there a way? 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Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 11.10 Release: 11.10 Codename: oneiric Linux kubuntu 3.0.0-15-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 20 17:23:00 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux tommy at kubuntu:~$ lshw |grep -nA 10 cpu WARNING: you should run this program as super-user. 12: *-cpu 13- product: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ 14- vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) 15- physical id: 2 16: bus info: cpu at 0 17- width: 64 bits 18- capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp x86-64 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good nopl extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy 8G memory tommy at kubuntu:~$ lshw |grep -nA 10 VGA WARNING: you should run this program as super-user. 115: description: VGA compatible controller 116- product: G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] 117- vendor: nVidia Corporation 118- physical id: 0 119- bus info: pci at 0000:01:00.0 120- version: a2 121- width: 64 bits 122- clock: 33MHz 123- capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom 124- configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0 125- resources: irq:16 memory:fa000000-faffffff memory:e0000000-efffffff memory:f8000000-f9ffffff ioport:ac00(size=128) memory:fbfe0000-fbffffff WARNING: output may be incomplete or inaccurate, you should run this program as super-user. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 13 05:12:48 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:12:48 +1100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> On 13/02/12 15:49, Tom Bell wrote: > Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, > Dolphin, etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even > then there is no guarantee that it will actually start. I have 3 > screen captures that illustrate the problem and I will upload them to > anyone who is interested. > Below is as much information as I could think to send. If anyone > wants more information, please be specific. > Thank you! When you ask a question like this and have some screenshots to illustrate your problem, just like you have now, then post them to: picpaste.com and simply include the URL(s) pointing to the screenshots. This way you only upload them once and everybody has access them to see what you are talking about. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From kassube at gmx.net Mon Feb 13 06:02:33 2012 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:02:33 +0100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <201202130702.34395.kassube@gmx.net> Tom Bell wrote: > Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, > Dolphin, etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even > then there is no guarantee that it will actually start. It could be a failing harddisk. Have a look at "/var/log/syslog" if there is any hint. Or it could be a network share which is not reachable, but I think that in this case the application should finally start. Again, there should be a hint in "/var/log/syslog". Nils From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Feb 13 07:33:04 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:33:04 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> On 02/13/2012 12:12 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 13/02/12 15:49, Tom Bell wrote: >> Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, >> Dolphin, etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even >> then there is no guarantee that it will actually start. I have 3 >> screen captures that illustrate the problem and I will upload them to >> anyone who is interested. >> Below is as much information as I could think to send. If anyone >> wants more information, please be specific. >> Thank you! > > When you ask a question like this and have some screenshots to > illustrate your problem, just like you have now, then post them to: > > picpaste.com > > and simply include the URL(s) pointing to the screenshots. This way > you only upload them once and everybody has access them to see what > you are talking about. > > BC > Thanks for the help! The files have been uploaded: http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot3-SMzt9oc1.png http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot4-NvZOGk5m.png http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot5-0oDMMFaI.png One thing to note: these screenshots are completely unretouched, no Photoshop! You will note the max out of both the CPUs while "top" shows little simultaneous usage of the CPUs. You will also notice that the network is not in use and that the memory, 8G, is little used. Any suggestions as to what could be going on would be appreciated!!! Thank you! Tom From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Feb 13 07:36:30 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:36:30 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <201202130702.34395.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <201202130702.34395.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4F38BD7E.5030305@cfl.rr.com> On 02/13/2012 01:02 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Tom Bell wrote: >> Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, >> Dolphin, etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even >> then there is no guarantee that it will actually start. > It could be a failing harddisk. Have a look at "/var/log/syslog" if > there is any hint. Or it could be a network share which is not > reachable, but I think that in this case the application should finally > start. Again, there should be a hint in "/var/log/syslog". > > > Nils > This is the log: Feb 12 08:04:32 kubuntu rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="5.8.1" x-pid="998" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed Feb 12 08:04:33 kubuntu anacron[10896]: Job `cron.daily' terminated Feb 12 08:04:33 kubuntu anacron[10896]: Normal exit (1 job run) Feb 12 08:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11280]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 09:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11310]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 10:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11341]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 11:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11372]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 12:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11403]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 13:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11433]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 14:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11463]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 15:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11495]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 16:17:01 kubuntu CRON[11975]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 16:55:57 kubuntu dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of 192.168.1.100 on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67 Feb 12 16:55:57 kubuntu dhclient: DHCPACK of 192.168.1.100 from 192.168.1.1 Feb 12 16:55:57 kubuntu dhclient: bound to 192.168.1.100 -- renewal in 33581 seconds. Feb 12 17:17:01 kubuntu CRON[12275]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 18:17:01 kubuntu CRON[12450]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 19:05:42 kubuntu dbus[1002]: [system] Activating service name='org.kubuntu.qaptworker' (using servicehelper) Feb 12 19:05:42 kubuntu dbus[1002]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.kubuntu.qaptworker' Feb 12 19:13:45 kubuntu dbus[1002]: [system] Activating service name='org.kubuntu.qaptworker' (using servicehelper) Feb 12 19:13:45 kubuntu dbus[1002]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.kubuntu.qaptworker' Feb 12 19:17:01 kubuntu CRON[12728]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 20:17:01 kubuntu CRON[12912]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 21:17:01 kubuntu CRON[13399]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 22:17:17 kubuntu CRON[14408]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 12 23:17:01 kubuntu CRON[15462]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 13 00:17:01 kubuntu CRON[15833]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 13 01:17:01 kubuntu CRON[15866]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) Feb 13 02:15:38 kubuntu dhclient: DHCPREQUEST of 192.168.1.100 on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67 Feb 13 02:15:38 kubuntu dhclient: DHCPACK of 192.168.1.100 from 192.168.1.1 Feb 13 02:15:43 kubuntu dhclient: bound to 192.168.1.100 -- renewal in 37190 seconds. Feb 13 02:17:01 kubuntu CRON[15958]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) /var/log/syslog (END) I see nothing of significance in it. Do you? Thank you! Tom From kassube at gmx.net Mon Feb 13 08:15:12 2012 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:15:12 +0100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F38BD7E.5030305@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <201202130702.34395.kassube@gmx.net> <4F38BD7E.5030305@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <201202130915.12648.kassube@gmx.net> Tom Bell wrote: > On 02/13/2012 01:02 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Tom Bell wrote: > >> Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, > >> Dolphin, etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even > >> then there is no guarantee that it will actually start. > > > > It could be a failing harddisk. Have a look at "/var/log/syslog" if > > there is any hint. Or it could be a network share which is not > > reachable, but I think that in this case the application should > > finally start. Again, there should be a hint in "/var/log/syslog". > > This is the log: [...] > I see nothing of significance in it. > Do you? No, I don't see anything either - it seems like I guessed wrong ... On the screenshots you mentioned in the other mail, it looks quite strange: While both CPUs are at 100% at the CPU history display, there is no process of high CPU usage at the output of the "top" command. But I have no idea what that means. Nils From ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Mon Feb 13 09:01:48 2012 From: ubuntu at mfraz.orangehome.co.uk (Mark Fraser) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:01:48 +0000 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <201202130901.48836.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> On Monday 13 Feb 2012 04:49:43 Tom Bell wrote: > Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, Dolphin, > etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even then there is > no guarantee that it will actually start. I have 3 screen captures that > illustrate the problem and I will upload them to anyone who is interested. > Below is as much information as I could think to send. If anyone wants > more information, please be specific. Do you have any effects running? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 13 10:22:14 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:22:14 +1100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F38E456.3050705@iinet.net.au> On 13/02/12 18:33, Tom Bell wrote: > On 02/13/2012 12:12 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 13/02/12 15:49, Tom Bell wrote: >>> Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, >>> Dolphin, etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even >>> then there is no guarantee that it will actually start. I have 3 >>> screen captures that illustrate the problem and I will upload them >>> to anyone who is interested. >>> Below is as much information as I could think to send. If anyone >>> wants more information, please be specific. >>> Thank you! >> >> When you ask a question like this and have some screenshots to >> illustrate your problem, just like you have now, then post them to: >> >> picpaste.com >> >> and simply include the URL(s) pointing to the screenshots. This way >> you only upload them once and everybody has access them to see what >> you are talking about. >> >> BC >> > Thanks for the help! > The files have been uploaded: > > http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot3-SMzt9oc1.png > http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot4-NvZOGk5m.png > http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot5-0oDMMFaI.png > > One thing to note: these screenshots are completely unretouched, no > Photoshop! > You will note the max out of both the CPUs while "top" shows little > simultaneous usage of the CPUs. > You will also notice that the network is not in use and that the > memory, 8G, is little used. > > Any suggestions as to what could be going on would be appreciated!!! > Thank you! > > Tom You seem to have quite a number of processes set to NI of (-)20. Why? (Unless I have misunderstood something I read, a (-) setting gives a higher priority to a process than a positive value - even if the process is idle - but, as I said, I may be wrong.) BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From info at alvin.be Mon Feb 13 10:38:37 2012 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:38:37 +0100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:33:04 +0100, Tom Bell wrote: > [...] > Thanks for the help! > The files have been uploaded: > > http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot3-SMzt9oc1.png > http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot4-NvZOGk5m.png > http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot5-0oDMMFaI.png > > One thing to note: these screenshots are completely unretouched, no > Photoshop! > You will note the max out of both the CPUs while "top" shows little > simultaneous usage of the CPUs. > You will also notice that the network is not in use and that the memory, > 8G, is little used. I see 'md' in that process list. Are you using LVM with snapshots? From kubuntu-users at whamra.com Mon Feb 13 15:48:22 2012 From: kubuntu-users at whamra.com (Waleed Hamra) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:48:22 +0200 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <201202130915.12648.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <201202130702.34395.kassube@gmx.net> <4F38BD7E.5030305@cfl.rr.com> <201202130915.12648.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4F3930C6.3090507@whamra.com> On 13/02/12 10:15, Nils Kassube wrote: > Tom Bell wrote: >> On 02/13/2012 01:02 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: >>> Tom Bell wrote: >>>> Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, >>>> Dolphin, etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even >>>> then there is no guarantee that it will actually start. >>> >>> It could be a failing harddisk. Have a look at "/var/log/syslog" if >>> there is any hint. Or it could be a network share which is not >>> reachable, but I think that in this case the application should >>> finally start. Again, there should be a hint in "/var/log/syslog". >> >> This is the log: > [...] >> I see nothing of significance in it. >> Do you? > > No, I don't see anything either - it seems like I guessed wrong ... > > On the screenshots you mentioned in the other mail, it looks quite > strange: While both CPUs are at 100% at the CPU history display, there > is no process of high CPU usage at the output of the "top" command. But > I have no idea what that means. > > > Nils > your guess is somewhat correct, but i'm not sure how to verify it. it doesn't have to be a failing hard drive, but it DOES indicate a huge interrupts spike, that is usually caused by I/O problems, which almost always are the result of a hard drive issue. on my work computer here, i have a very slow PATA hard drive, add the fact that i'm using full disk encryption, IO becomes a huge bottleneck, with very similar symptoms as with OP, yet, not that bad. CPU at 100% in system monitor, but not in top or htop, hard drive crackling maddly inside the case, as firefox is going through few dozen megabytes of profile data. it takes firefox some 30 seconds to show any window, then another 20 seconds to become responsive and usable. but now to find why is the OP having this.... are you using encryption? if yes, where? root partition? home partition? full disk? dm-crypt? ecryptfs? what is your hard drive? size, make, model? close firefox, open a terminal, make sure you have the package "procps" installed, if not install it. then, in a terminal, type this: vmstat -S M 2 once you see one or 2 lines of output, keep it running and start firefox. keep vmstat running until firefox is up and running, then kill vmstat with CTRL-C, and copy all its output for us... it'll be helpful to check the bottlenecks. -- Waleed K. 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I have 3 >>>> screen captures that illustrate the problem and I will upload them >>>> to anyone who is interested. >>>> Below is as much information as I could think to send. If anyone >>>> wants more information, please be specific. >>>> Thank you! >>> >>> When you ask a question like this and have some screenshots to >>> illustrate your problem, just like you have now, then post them to: >>> >>> picpaste.com >>> >>> and simply include the URL(s) pointing to the screenshots. This way >>> you only upload them once and everybody has access them to see what >>> you are talking about. >>> >>> BC >>> >> Thanks for the help! >> The files have been uploaded: >> >> http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot3-SMzt9oc1.png >> http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot4-NvZOGk5m.png >> http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot5-0oDMMFaI.png >> >> One thing to note: these screenshots are completely unretouched, no >> Photoshop! >> You will note the max out of both the CPUs while "top" shows little >> simultaneous usage of the CPUs. >> You will also notice that the network is not in use and that the >> memory, 8G, is little used. >> >> Any suggestions as to what could be going on would be appreciated!!! >> Thank you! >> >> Tom > > > You seem to have quite a number of processes set to NI of (-)20. Why? > > (Unless I have misunderstood something I read, a (-) setting gives a > higher priority to a process than a positive value - even if the > process is idle - but, as I said, I may be wrong.) > > BC > I did an upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 and had this problem, so I did an install which reused my, at the time current, setup without change. That got me the same results so I eventually did a complete reinstall and the (-) settings are what resulted from that. The last reinstall reformatted the drive. Tom From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Feb 13 16:54:06 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:54:06 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> On 02/13/2012 05:38 AM, Alvin wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:33:04 +0100, Tom Bell wrote: >> [...] >> Thanks for the help! >> The files have been uploaded: >> >> http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot3-SMzt9oc1.png >> http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot4-NvZOGk5m.png >> http://www.picpaste.com/snapshot5-0oDMMFaI.png >> >> One thing to note: these screenshots are completely unretouched, no >> Photoshop! >> You will note the max out of both the CPUs while "top" shows little >> simultaneous usage of the CPUs. >> You will also notice that the network is not in use and that the >> memory, 8G, is little used. > > I see 'md' in that process list. Are you using LVM with snapshots? > I am not an expert, so I have no idea what LVM is. Explanation? Thank you! Tom From info at alvin.be Mon Feb 13 17:04:35 2012 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:04:35 +0100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:54:06 +0100, Tom Bell wrote: > On 02/13/2012 05:38 AM, Alvin wrote: >> [...] >> I see 'md' in that process list. Are you using LVM with snapshots? >> > I am not an expert, so I have no idea what LVM is. > Explanation? Linux Volume Manager. Often used on top of an md device. If you don't know what it is, you will probably not use it. It can't be installed with the default Kubuntu installer. You need the alternate CD. High load when LVM snapshots are present is a known problem. Unexplained load is often due to I/O problems. Try 'iotop' to see what's causing I/O. From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Feb 13 21:00:01 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:00:01 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> On 02/13/2012 12:04 PM, Alvin wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:54:06 +0100, Tom Bell wrote: > >> On 02/13/2012 05:38 AM, Alvin wrote: >>> [...] >>> I see 'md' in that process list. Are you using LVM with snapshots? >>> >> I am not an expert, so I have no idea what LVM is. >> Explanation? > > Linux Volume Manager. Often used on top of an md device. If you don't > know what it is, you will probably not use it. It can't be installed > with the default Kubuntu installer. You need the alternate CD. > > High load when LVM snapshots are present is a known problem. > > Unexplained load is often due to I/O problems. Try 'iotop' to see > what's causing I/O. > This may be helping, thank you. I tried iotop and it showed "jdb2/sda1-8" as topping out the cpu cycles. Checking on the internet eventually lead me to anacron. Now I am checking further to see what value that is and why it is working. I did not start it or anything like it. Supposedly it can be scheduled to run daily, not hourly, minutely or secondly(sic). I found where it is connected somehow to firefox in the Window Title part of System Monitor. /etc/cron.d/anacron: # /etc/cron.d/anacron: crontab entries for the anacron package SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin #30 7 * * * root test -x /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null 30 7 * * * root start -q anacron || : At www.geekstuff.com it says: /* Begin quote */ Anacron is the cron for desktops and laptops. Anacron does not expect the system to be running 24 x 7 like a server. When you want a background job to be executed automatically on a machine that is not running 24 x 7, you should use anacron. For example, if you have a backup script scheduled everyday at 11 PM as a regular cron job, and if your laptop is not up at 11 PM, your backup job will not be executed. However, if you have the same job scheduled in anacron, you can be sure that it will be executed once the laptop come back up. /* End of quote */ I run my desktop computer 24/7. I am considering removing anacron, so, has anyone a good argument why not? Tom From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Feb 13 21:34:36 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:34:36 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> On 02/13/2012 04:00 PM, Tom Bell wrote: > On 02/13/2012 12:04 PM, Alvin wrote: >> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:54:06 +0100, Tom Bell wrote: >> >>> On 02/13/2012 05:38 AM, Alvin wrote: >>>> [...] Tom > /* snip */ I am considering reformatting to ext3 from ext4 to see if that makes the difference. Suggestions? Opinions? Thank you! Tom From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 23:19:24 2012 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:19:24 +1000 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <11764995.0EMdg7KtKe@lindsay-kubuntu-12> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:34:36 PM Tom Bell wrote: > I am considering reformatting to ext3 from ext4 to see if that makes the > difference. I doubt it would make any difference, but a good idea in general. ext4 is more robust than ext3. -- Lindsay From blchupin at iinet.net.au Mon Feb 13 23:54:34 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:54:34 +1100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F39A2BA.5010805@iinet.net.au> On 14/02/12 08:34, Tom Bell wrote: > On 02/13/2012 04:00 PM, Tom Bell wrote: >> On 02/13/2012 12:04 PM, Alvin wrote: >>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:54:06 +0100, Tom Bell >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 02/13/2012 05:38 AM, Alvin wrote: >>>>> [...] Tom >> > /* snip */ > I am considering reformatting to ext3 from ext4 to see if that makes > the difference. > Suggestions? Opinions? > Thank you! ext4 is more solid than ext3. Stay with ext4 - it's not your problem. I go back t what I said before: what are those processes which have a (-)20 NI? Each one has a PID so you can go and see what exactly that process is all about. In a console/terminal, as root (ie sudo ......) type 'ps aux' which will list all your running processes owned by everyone on the system. Get the PID from the lists you produced which are on picpaste then find them on this list of ps aux and see what they are. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 00:54:24 2012 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:54:24 +1000 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <11764995.0EMdg7KtKe@lindsay-kubuntu-12> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> <11764995.0EMdg7KtKe@lindsay-kubuntu-12> Message-ID: <4715790.jbebk3Kbfv@lindsay-kubuntu-12> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:19:24 AM you wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:34:36 PM Tom Bell wrote: > > I am considering reformatting to ext3 from ext4 to see if that makes the > > difference. > > I doubt it would make any difference, but a good idea in general. ext4 is > more robust than ext3. Oops - I thought you meant from ext3 to ext4. Yeah no, stick with ext4. -- Lindsay From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Feb 14 04:02:42 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:02:42 +1100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F39A2BA.5010805@iinet.net.au> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> <4F39A2BA.5010805@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F39DCE2.2040100@iinet.net.au> On 14/02/12 10:54, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 14/02/12 08:34, Tom Bell wrote: >> On 02/13/2012 04:00 PM, Tom Bell wrote: >>> On 02/13/2012 12:04 PM, Alvin wrote: >>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:54:06 +0100, Tom Bell >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 02/13/2012 05:38 AM, Alvin wrote: >>>>>> [...] Tom >>> >> /* snip */ >> I am considering reformatting to ext3 from ext4 to see if that makes >> the difference. >> Suggestions? Opinions? >> Thank you! > > ext4 is more solid than ext3. Stay with ext4 - it's not your problem. > > I go back t what I said before: what are those processes which have a > (-)20 NI? > > Each one has a PID so you can go and see what exactly that process is > all about. > > In a console/terminal, as root (ie sudo ......) type 'ps aux' which > will list all your running processes owned by everyone on the system. > > Get the PID from the lists you produced which are on picpaste then > find them on this list of ps aux and see what they are. > > BC Ummm, a slight correction here :-) . You will need to regenerate the list(s) on picpaste to see the latest PID numbers for your currently running system - then use ps aux and see what they are. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 14 06:03:50 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:03:50 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F39DCE2.2040100@iinet.net.au> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> <4F39A2BA.5010805@iinet.net.au> <4F39DCE2.2040100@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F39F946.9070803@cfl.rr.com> On 02/13/2012 11:02 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > /* snip */ >> ext4 is more solid than ext3. Stay with ext4 - it's not your problem. >> >> I go back t what I said before: what are those processes which have a >> (-)20 NI? >> >> Each one has a PID so you can go and see what exactly that process is >> all about. >> >> In a console/terminal, as root (ie sudo ......) type 'ps aux' which >> will list all your running processes owned by everyone on the system. >> >> Get the PID from the lists you produced which are on picpaste then >> find them on this list of ps aux and see what they are. >> >> BC > > > Ummm, a slight correction here :-) . > > You will need to regenerate the list(s) on picpaste to see the latest > PID numbers for your currently running system - then use ps aux and > see what they are. > > BC > I see. I did try iotop and did not see a whole lot, but, after looking at the options for iotop, I tried "iotop -oa" and got a different picture. See pictures below. http://www.picpaste.com/iotop5-44HwJVlX.png http://www.picpaste.com/iotop6-vdP5qXlK.png http://www.picpaste.com/iotop7-QrgqY92J.png These photos show firefox and jdb2/sda1-8 hogging the cpus big time. It is not just firefox, although firefox was in this particular example. Just about all the programs I have run have suffered the same problem. And it is quite often intermittent. Thank you! Tom From blchupin at iinet.net.au Tue Feb 14 06:43:08 2012 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:43:08 +1100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F39F946.9070803@cfl.rr.com> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> <4F39A2BA.5010805@iinet.net.au> <4F39DCE2.2040100@iinet.net.au> <4F39F946.9070803@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F3A027C.3010903@iinet.net.au> On 14/02/12 17:03, Tom Bell wrote: > On 02/13/2012 11:02 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> /* snip */ >>> ext4 is more solid than ext3. Stay with ext4 - it's not your problem. >>> >>> I go back t what I said before: what are those processes which have >>> a (-)20 NI? >>> >>> Each one has a PID so you can go and see what exactly that process >>> is all about. >>> >>> In a console/terminal, as root (ie sudo ......) type 'ps aux' which >>> will list all your running processes owned by everyone on the system. >>> >>> Get the PID from the lists you produced which are on picpaste then >>> find them on this list of ps aux and see what they are. >>> >>> BC >> >> >> Ummm, a slight correction here :-) . >> >> You will need to regenerate the list(s) on picpaste to see the latest >> PID numbers for your currently running system - then use ps aux and >> see what they are. >> >> BC >> > I see. > I did try iotop and did not see a whole lot, but, after looking at the > options for iotop, > I tried "iotop -oa" and got a different picture. See pictures below. > > http://www.picpaste.com/iotop5-44HwJVlX.png > http://www.picpaste.com/iotop6-vdP5qXlK.png > http://www.picpaste.com/iotop7-QrgqY92J.png > > These photos show firefox and jdb2/sda1-8 hogging the cpus big time. > It is not just firefox, although firefox was in this particular example. > Just about all the programs I have run have suffered the same problem. > And it is quite often intermittent. > Thank you! Something totally not right here..... To begin, how can you have 2 copies of Firefox running by "tommy"? From my experience, Firefox will not run for a user if it is already running for that user - in this case "tommy". A question: if you had already mentioned it I have forgotten already :-( but which version of Kubuntu are you running, which version of KDE, and which version of Firefox? And what is that PID, called jdb2/sda1-8, which is taking up most of the cpu? It is owned by root. So what is root doing with this jdb2-thingie? BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. From info at alvin.be Tue Feb 14 09:06:48 2012 From: info at alvin.be (Alvin) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:06:48 +0100 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F3A027C.3010903@iinet.net.au> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> <4F39A2BA.5010805@iinet.net.au> <4F39DCE2.2040100@iinet.net.au> <4F39F946.9070803@cfl.rr.com> <4F3A027C.3010903@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F3A2428.8040804@alvin.be> On 14/02/2012 7:43, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 14/02/12 17:03, Tom Bell wrote: > [...] > > And what is that PID, called jdb2/sda1-8, which is taking up most of the > cpu? It is owned by root. So what is root doing with this jdb2-thingie? According to Wikipedia, jdb2 is a "generic block device journaling layer". I suspect it's pretty normal to see a lot of 'jdb2' if there is a lot of disk I/O. High disk I/O explains speed issues pretty well. It's also why I asked about LVM with snapshots (and why I switched to FreeBSD with ZFS when I need snapshots.) Tom, can you post the output of 'mount'? _Links_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_block_device http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/arch-handbook/driverbasics-block.html From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 14 10:13:42 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:13:42 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F3A2428.8040804@alvin.be> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> <4F39A2BA.5010805@iinet.net.au> <4F39DCE2.2040100@iinet.net.au> <4F39F946.9070803@cfl.rr.com> <4F3A027C.3010903@iinet.net.au> <4F3A2428.8040804@alvin.be> Message-ID: <4F3A33D6.5070906@cfl.rr.com> On 02/14/2012 04:06 AM, Alvin wrote: > On 14/02/2012 7:43, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 14/02/12 17:03, Tom Bell wrote: >> [...] >> >> And what is that PID, called jdb2/sda1-8, which is taking up most of the >> cpu? It is owned by root. So what is root doing with this jdb2-thingie? > According to Wikipedia, jdb2 is a "generic block device journaling > layer". I suspect it's pretty normal to see a lot of 'jdb2' if there is > a lot of disk I/O. High disk I/O explains speed issues pretty well. It's > also why I asked about LVM with snapshots (and why I switched to FreeBSD > with ZFS when I need snapshots.) > > Tom, can you post the output of 'mount'? > > _Links_ > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_block_device > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/arch-handbook/driverbasics-block.html > mount /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0) proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw) udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620) tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755) none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880) none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) /dev/sdb1 on /media/My Book type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,uhelper=udisks) Done. Thank you! Tom From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 14 10:27:07 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:27:07 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <4F3A027C.3010903@iinet.net.au> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F39402E.8080501@cfl.rr.com> <4F3979D1.2030105@cfl.rr.com> <4F3981EC.7040001@cfl.rr.com> <4F39A2BA.5010805@iinet.net.au> <4F39DCE2.2040100@iinet.net.au> <4F39F946.9070803@cfl.rr.com> <4F3A027C.3010903@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F3A36FB.8080003@cfl.rr.com> On 02/14/2012 01:43 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 14/02/12 17:03, Tom Bell wrote: >> On 02/13/2012 11:02 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> /* snip */ >>>> ext4 is more solid than ext3. Stay with ext4 - it's not your problem. >>>> >>>> I go back t what I said before: what are those processes which have >>>> a (-)20 NI? >>>> >>>> Each one has a PID so you can go and see what exactly that process >>>> is all about. >>>> >>>> In a console/terminal, as root (ie sudo ......) type 'ps aux' which >>>> will list all your running processes owned by everyone on the system. >>>> >>>> Get the PID from the lists you produced which are on picpaste then >>>> find them on this list of ps aux and see what they are. >>>> >>>> BC >>> >>> >>> Ummm, a slight correction here :-) . >>> >>> You will need to regenerate the list(s) on picpaste to see the >>> latest PID numbers for your currently running system - then use ps >>> aux and see what they are. >>> >>> BC >>> >> I see. >> I did try iotop and did not see a whole lot, but, after looking at >> the options for iotop, >> I tried "iotop -oa" and got a different picture. See pictures below. >> >> http://www.picpaste.com/iotop5-44HwJVlX.png >> http://www.picpaste.com/iotop6-vdP5qXlK.png >> http://www.picpaste.com/iotop7-QrgqY92J.png >> >> These photos show firefox and jdb2/sda1-8 hogging the cpus big time. >> It is not just firefox, although firefox was in this particular example. >> Just about all the programs I have run have suffered the same problem. >> And it is quite often intermittent. >> Thank you! > > Something totally not right here..... > > To begin, how can you have 2 copies of Firefox running by "tommy"? > > From my experience, Firefox will not run for a user if it is already > running for that user - in this case "tommy". > I was a little stunned to see those start up when I clicked once on FIREFOX!!! > A question: if you had already mentioned it I have forgotten already > :-( but which version of Kubuntu are you running, which version of > KDE, and which version of Firefox? > Here is more than you asked for: DISTRO info Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 11.10 Release: 11.10 Codename: oneiric FILESYSTEM info Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 ext4 681G 13G 634G 2% / udev devtmpfs 3.7G 4.0K 3.7G 1% /dev tmpfs tmpfs 1.5G 956K 1.5G 1% /run none tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock none tmpfs 3.7G 1.5M 3.7G 1% /run/shm /dev/sdb1 vfat 932G 729G 203G 79% /media/My Book LINUX info Linux kubuntu 3.0.0-16-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 27 17:44:39 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux CPU hardware info 26: *-cpu 27- description: CPU 28- product: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ 29- vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics) 30- physical id: 1 31: bus info: cpu at 0 32- version: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ 33- slot: Socket AM2 34- size: 3200MHz 35- capacity: 3700MHz 36- width: 64 bits 37- clock: 200MHz 38- capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp x86-64 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good nopl extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy VIDEO 194: description: VGA compatible controller 195- product: G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] WIRELESS, MODEM, HD, WEBCAM 5:Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter 6-Bus 001 Device 007: ID 047e:2892 Agere Systems, Inc. (Lucent) Systems Soft Modem 12:Bus 001 Device 011: ID 1058:1102 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. 13-Bus 001 Device 012: ID 046d:0809 Logitech, Inc. Webcam Pro 9000 WIRELESS and ETHERNET eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr /* snip */ inet addr:192.168.1.100 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: /* snip */ Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:537 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:456 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:234420 (234.4 KB) TX bytes:247018 (247.0 KB) Interrupt:42 Base address:0x4000 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr /* snip */ UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:43 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:68 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:68 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:4840 (4.8 KB) TX bytes:4840 (4.8 KB) wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr /* snip */ UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) RESULTS of MOUNT command: mount /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0) proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw) udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620) tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755) none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880) none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) /dev/sdb1 on /media/My Book type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,uhelper=udisks) > And what is that PID, called jdb2/sda1-8, which is taking up most of > the cpu? It is owned by root. So what is root doing with this > jdb2-thingie? > > BC > See Alvin's following response. I already looked it up myself and it seems to be something to do with JFS (Journaling File System), in this case ext4, which you will see in the equipment list above. It has me pretty well stumped. The fact that multiple FIREFOXes ran is also confusing, but shows when using the 'iotop -oa' command. I had to run iotop with sudo, just to let you know. Please keep in mind that this problem is not just with FIREFOX, but just about every program that I attempt to run and it happens at different times. Sometimes I can start a program right away, but have slow downs later on. Sometimes I click on the program and it never starts Sometimes I can click on a program, then click on the konsole to open and the konsole opens before the program, but it may take awhile to start, or, it could start right away. Meanwhile the first program may or may not even show up and sometimes not for 5-10 minutes. This problem is v-e-r-y frustrating!!!!!! Thank you! Tom From johansche at telkomsa.net Tue Feb 14 14:56:36 2012 From: johansche at telkomsa.net (Johan Scheepers) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:56:36 +0200 Subject: no mail being received Message-ID: <4F3A7624.8040506@telkomsa.net> Good day, Subscribed this last week...but no mail. This list active? Please inform Thanks Johan From mark.haney at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 15:04:57 2012 From: mark.haney at gmail.com (Mark Haney) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:04:57 -0500 Subject: no mail being received In-Reply-To: <4F3A7624.8040506@telkomsa.net> References: <4F3A7624.8040506@telkomsa.net> Message-ID: <4F3A7819.5050208@gmail.com> On 02/14/12 09:56, Johan Scheepers wrote: > Good day, > > Subscribed this last week...but no mail. > > This list active? > > Please inform > Thanks > Johan > I've had a half dozen or so messages just this morning (2/14). I'm not sure why I'm replying if you're not getting any messages from the list. :) From rayburke30 at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 19:32:20 2012 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:32:20 +1100 Subject: no mail being received In-Reply-To: <4F3A7819.5050208@gmail.com> References: <4F3A7624.8040506@telkomsa.net> <4F3A7819.5050208@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > On 02/14/12 09:56, Johan Scheepers wrote: >> Good day, >> >> Subscribed this last week...but no mail. >> >> This list active? >> >> Please inform >> Thanks >> Johan >> > I've had a half dozen or so messages just this morning (2/14).  I'm not > sure why I'm replying if you're not getting any messages from the list.  :) > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Mark, your messages are coming thru? ray From gheskett at wdtv.com Tue Feb 14 21:32:11 2012 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:32:11 -0500 Subject: no mail being received In-Reply-To: <4F3A7624.8040506@telkomsa.net> References: <4F3A7624.8040506@telkomsa.net> Message-ID: <201202141632.12062.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 04:30:51 PM Johan Scheepers did opine: > Good day, > > Subscribed this last week...but no mail. > > This list active? > I think so. The last msg I got from it was at 05:27 UCT this morning. > Please inform > Thanks > Johan Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: "If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library?" -- Lily Tomlin From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 23:05:37 2012 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:05:37 +1000 Subject: Be careful with latest current Update Message-ID: <2913166.4CmLZX6nIO@lindsay-kubuntu-12> At of date of this email it wants to remove kde-workspace :) I'd wait a bit ... -- Lindsay From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 23:40:40 2012 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:40:40 +1000 Subject: Be careful with latest current Update In-Reply-To: <2913166.4CmLZX6nIO@lindsay-kubuntu-12> References: <2913166.4CmLZX6nIO@lindsay-kubuntu-12> Message-ID: <5386130.3x7cGi5B80@lindsay-kubuntu-12> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:05:37 AM you wrote: > At of date of this email it wants to remove kde-workspace :) I'd wait a bit > ... For precise (12.04) that is. -- Lindsay From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Feb 15 01:41:49 2012 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:41:49 -0500 Subject: apt-get install problem Message-ID: <201202142041.49720.gheskett@wdtv.com> Greetings people; I have a deb (openscam, a graphics preview that converts rs-274D gcode into a preview of what the milling machine would carve when that code is executed by this openscam program) package sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives that I would like to install. However apt-get insists on telling me that this file does not exist even when I give apt- get the full pathlist/name.deb. I don't use apt enough to be well versed in its cli nuances, doing the maintenance with synaptic 99% of the time, so what option do I give it to make it use this already downloaded package? Thanks. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: I can't decide whether to commit suicide or go bowling. -- Florence Henderson From j2 at mupp.net Wed Feb 15 01:53:38 2012 From: j2 at mupp.net (Jan Johansson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:53:38 +0000 Subject: apt-get install problem In-Reply-To: <201202142041.49720.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201202142041.49720.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <53823EF3F5911F4D823DFD09156AD728B0008CE8@ex01.kontinuitet.local> >I don't use apt enough to be well versed in its cli nuances, doing the maintenance with synaptic 99% of the time, so >what option do I give it to make it use this already downloaded package? If I read you correctly dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb should be what you are looking for. From gheskett at wdtv.com Wed Feb 15 04:10:04 2012 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (gene heskett) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:10:04 -0500 Subject: apt-get install problem In-Reply-To: <53823EF3F5911F4D823DFD09156AD728B0008CE8@ex01.kontinuitet.local> References: <201202142041.49720.gheskett@wdtv.com> <53823EF3F5911F4D823DFD09156AD728B0008CE8@ex01.kontinuitet.local> Message-ID: <201202142310.04619.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 09:36:29 PM Jan Johansson did opine: > >I don't use apt enough to be well versed in its cli nuances, doing the > >maintenance with synaptic 99% of the time, so >what option do I give > >it to make it use this already downloaded package? > > If I read you correctly dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb should be what you are > looking for. Thanks Jan, but then it throws a dependency I can't fix from the repos for 10.04 LTS. I need libglew.so.1.6, but only 1.5 seems to be available for 10.04 lTS. So, I've now pulled in the tarball, installed the deps according to their build instructs, and cbang is being digested by scons, whatever the heck that is. And at the rate its going, I wonder if a 250Gb drive is big enough! I had a distaste for C++ before because of its sizes, and it is being reinforced. :( Humm, on the web page, scons is the last command listed. Does this, when its done, do a 'make install' or something? Apparently not. I've run it in place, but apparently it doesn't like the dialect of gcode we have, says its throwing an exception because of a null pointer in line 1. Its a (style) comment. From the cli I ran it: gene at shop:~/src/openscam_0.0.5$ ./openscam (openscam:11706): Gtk-WARNING **: Could not find signal handler 'on_render_resolution_changed' 03:54:31:INFO(1):Bounds: ((-inf,-inf,-inf), (inf,inf,inf)) 03:54:31:INFO(1):Dimensions: (inf,inf,inf) 03:54:59:INFO(1):Opening project /home/gene/linuxcnc/nc_files/genes- encoder.ngc 03:54:59:ERROR:Exception: Parse failed: 2: syntax error 03:54:59:ERROR: At: /home/gene/linuxcnc/nc_files/genes- encoder.ngc:1:0 Looks like its alpha code. Stable, but can't do anything. Sigh. And the propaganda reads so nice. The tarball contains exactly zero docs too. Grroooouuuuuuhphphphp! <-my tony the tiger roar ;-) In spite of all that: Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: Seize the day, put no trust in the morrow! -- Quintus Horatius Flaccus (Horace) From johansche at telkomsa.net Wed Feb 15 07:27:49 2012 From: johansche at telkomsa.net (Johan Scheepers) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:27:49 +0200 Subject: no mail being received In-Reply-To: <4F3A7819.5050208@gmail.com> References: <4F3A7624.8040506@telkomsa.net> <4F3A7819.5050208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F3B5E75.30309@telkomsa.net> On 14/02/2012 17:04, Mark Haney wrote: > On 02/14/12 09:56, Johan Scheepers wrote: >> Good day, >> >> Subscribed this last week...but no mail. >> >> This list active? >> >> Please inform >> Thanks >> Johan >> > I've had a half dozen or so messages just this morning (2/14). I'm not > sure why I'm replying if you're not getting any messages from the list. :) > > > Thanks that you did. I received 3 this morning Johan From ralph.puncher at ripnet.com Fri Feb 17 01:56:11 2012 From: ralph.puncher at ripnet.com (Ralph) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:56:11 -0500 Subject: Be careful with latest current Update In-Reply-To: <5386130.3x7cGi5B80@lindsay-kubuntu-12> References: <2913166.4CmLZX6nIO@lindsay-kubuntu-12> <5386130.3x7cGi5B80@lindsay-kubuntu-12> Message-ID: <2506611.UMj9YDAtx5@puncher-dt> On February 15, 2012 09:40:40 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:05:37 AM you wrote: > > At of date of this email it wants to remove kde-workspace :) I'd wait a > > bit ... > > For precise (12.04) that is. I did a complete update today including the new kernel image with no problems to report. Ralph From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Fri Feb 17 03:22:53 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:22:53 -0500 Subject: Major problem with Oneiric 11.10 freezing In-Reply-To: <201202130901.48836.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <201202130901.48836.ubuntu@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> Message-ID: <4F3DC80D.6060804@cfl.rr.com> On 2/13/2012 4:01 AM, Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Monday 13 Feb 2012 04:49:43 Tom Bell wrote: > > > Most of the time when I start a program, Thunderbird, Firefox, Dolphin, > > > etc., it will delay anywhere from 2 to 5 minutes and even then there is > > > no guarantee that it will actually start. I have 3 screen captures that > > > illustrate the problem and I will upload them to anyone who is > interested. > > > Below is as much information as I could think to send. If anyone wants > > > more information, please be specific. > > > > Do you have any effects running? > > > > -- > > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org > > > Today, I replaced the old HD with a new one and everything is back to normal. The only thing I can figure is that the electronics of the SATA IDE drive went West(went bad). The SATA buss is only a buss so I figured that either it was my M/B or the IDE part of the drive that was defective, so replacing the drive settled the matter. Thanks for all your help! Keep this in mind when someone else has a similar problem! Tom From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Feb 18 06:59:38 2012 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:59:38 +0100 Subject: Be careful with latest current Update In-Reply-To: <2506611.UMj9YDAtx5@puncher-dt> References: <2913166.4CmLZX6nIO@lindsay-kubuntu-12> <5386130.3x7cGi5B80@lindsay-kubuntu-12> <2506611.UMj9YDAtx5@puncher-dt> Message-ID: <4F3F4C5A.2000902@free.fr> Le 17/02/2012 02:56, Ralph a écrit : > On February 15, 2012 09:40:40 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:05:37 AM you wrote: >>> At of date of this email it wants to remove kde-workspace :) I'd wait a >>> bit ... >> For precise (12.04) that is. > I did a complete update today including the new kernel image with no problems > to report. > > Ralph > > Yesterday's update brok thunderbird but this morning update recover it From bbales at cox.net Sat Feb 18 21:00:04 2012 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:00:04 -0600 Subject: What version of KDE do I have? In-Reply-To: <4F38E456.3050705@iinet.net.au> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F38E456.3050705@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4F401154.7050404@cox.net> I installed Kubuntu 10.04-3. How do I learn what version of KDE I have? Seems logical that the numbers are stored somewhere in a file. Would the 10.04-3 numbers be somewhere in a file? Is it possible to downgrade to another earlier version of KDE? If so, Where could I find instructions for how to do it? bruce From lahc2007 at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 21:31:07 2012 From: lahc2007 at gmail.com (Leslie Anne Chatterton) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:31:07 -0500 Subject: What version of KDE do I have? Message-ID: Hi Bruce, Kubuntu comes out twice a year and what you have is the April 2010 version. It is the most recent long term support version; the next one is 12.04, coming out in April 2012. The "-3" part means it incorporates some security and bug fixes, but I'm not sure what the date code for that is. Each version also has an animal name, but I find them hard to keep track of! The past (April 2011) was Natty Narwhal, current one (October 2011) is Oneiric Ocelot, with Precise Pangolin coming in April 2012. It would not be a good idea to go to an earlier version (less secure, more bugs), but if you get your hands on a disk from a prior one you can certainly install it. You'll almost certainly lose all your work and have to start over with a clean slate. If you want to know your version type "cat /etc/issue" or "uname -a" at a command prompt (terminal). Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet On Feb 18, 2012 4:01 PM, "Bruce Bales" wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sat Feb 18 21:34:09 2012 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:34:09 +0100 Subject: What version of KDE do I have? In-Reply-To: <4F401154.7050404@cox.net> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F38E456.3050705@iinet.net.au> <4F401154.7050404@cox.net> Message-ID: <201202182234.10189.kassube@gmx.net> Bruce Bales wrote: > I installed Kubuntu 10.04-3. How do I learn what version of KDE I > have? Seems logical > that the numbers are stored somewhere in a file. Would the 10.04-3 > numbers be somewhere > in a file? If you mean the Kubuntu version, it is in the file "/etc/issue". If you regularly run updates, it should now be version 10.04.4. OTOH, if you actually mean the KDE version, there is an option in the help menu of all KDE applications. > Is it possible to downgrade to another earlier version of KDE? No, not really. You could only install a previous Kubuntu version. However those versions prior to 10.04 are no longer supported. Nils From rtgkid at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 21:52:14 2012 From: rtgkid at gmail.com (Ryan Gauger) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:52:14 -0600 Subject: What version of KDE do I have? In-Reply-To: <201202182234.10189.kassube@gmx.net> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F38E456.3050705@iinet.net.au> <4F401154.7050404@cox.net> <201202182234.10189.kassube@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4F401D8E.8070705@gmail.com> On 02/18/2012 03:34 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Bruce Bales wrote: >> I installed Kubuntu 10.04-3. How do I learn what version of KDE I >> have? Seems logical >> that the numbers are stored somewhere in a file. Would the 10.04-3 >> numbers be somewhere >> in a file? > If you mean the Kubuntu version, it is in the file "/etc/issue". If you > regularly run updates, it should now be version 10.04.4. OTOH, if you > actually mean the KDE version, there is an option in the help menu of > all KDE applications. > >> Is it possible to downgrade to another earlier version of KDE? > No, not really. You could only install a previous Kubuntu version. > However those versions prior to 10.04 are no longer supported. > > > Nils > If you simply want the information without having to find a file, simply open up a KDE application, go to Help on the toolbar, then "About KDE". This should give you the correct KDE version towards the top-left of the window. From zekkerj at gmail.com Sun Feb 19 02:15:13 2012 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Queiroz?=) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:15:13 -0200 Subject: What version of KDE do I have? In-Reply-To: <4F401154.7050404@cox.net> References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F38E456.3050705@iinet.net.au> <4F401154.7050404@cox.net> Message-ID: 2012/2/18 Bruce Bales > I installed Kubuntu 10.04-3. How do I learn what version of KDE I have? > Seems logical > that the numbers are stored somewhere in a file. Would the 10.04-3 > numbers be somewhere > in a file? > > Is it possible to downgrade to another earlier version of KDE? If so, > Where could I find > instructions for how to do it? > bruce > It's not recommended to downgrade KDE. If you doesn't like KDE4 look&feel, you may try some of the KDE themes, Gnome, or even Unity. I recommend you to do exactly the opposite: instead of downgrading, upgrade it. Open up Software Properties and enable "Security" and "Update" Repositories. Doing so, you'll get both security and bug fixes past 10.04-3. If you're brave of heart :D, you can enable also Backports Repository, and get several new packages not included with Kubuntu Lucid, but made available to Natty and/or Oneiric, the following versions. But if you really have the guts :D :D, install Kubuntu PPA: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports These will give you the new versions of KDE. I use them on most of my Kubuntu machines. Answering one of your questions: which version ships with Kubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx? Lucid ships with KDE 4.2. You can check it with "apt-cache policy kdebase-runtime". You can also open any KDE app (e.g. konsole), and go Help >> About KDE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Sun Feb 19 08:28:05 2012 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:28:05 -0800 Subject: Upgrading Message-ID: <20120219082804.GA17071@xpresso.seaslug.org> Howdy; Running 10.04 here, and experiencing a little confusion in the docs about upgrading. Which command(s) just upgrade the software, and, which one(s) upgrade the entire OS? Thanks in advance. Bill From barnaby at drofle.co.uk Sun Feb 19 08:44:45 2012 From: barnaby at drofle.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 08:44:45 +0000 Subject: Akonadi etc Message-ID: <4F40B67D.2030105@drofle.co.uk> I attended a local Linux users meeting yesterday. I wanted to ask about Akonadi but no one there had heard of it. I then found out that I was the only one present using KDE. So my question is, is akonadi a KDE only program? And if so, do other desktops such as Gnome, Xfce, LXDE have similar programs? Incidentally I don't use akonadi at all and keep it switched off permanently. I would like to remove it altogether, but I have heard that could cause problems. Thanks Neil From kaj at haulrich.net Sun Feb 19 10:05:24 2012 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:05:24 +0100 Subject: Akonadi etc In-Reply-To: <4F40B67D.2030105@drofle.co.uk> References: <4F40B67D.2030105@drofle.co.uk> Message-ID: <4F40C964.6000007@haulrich.net> On 02/19/2012 09:44 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I attended a local Linux users meeting yesterday. I wanted to ask about > Akonadi but no one there had heard of it. I then found out that I was > the only one present using KDE. > > So my question is, is akonadi a KDE only program? And if so, do other > desktops such as Gnome, Xfce, LXDE have similar programs? > > Incidentally I don't use akonadi at all and keep it switched off > permanently. I would like to remove it altogether, but I have heard that > could cause problems. Like you, I tried to remove Akonadi, but doing so will remove the whole KDE. As a workaround, I remove all KDE-PIM stuff (Kmail, Kontact etc..), but Akonadi still sits there, lurking and ready to break whatever it dislikes. Then, I tried to wipe the whole thing and installed Xubuntu. The big idea being that Xubuntu has a feature called "Enable KDE functionality during startup" - or some such. OK, then I installed the applications I need most (and the reasons why I prefer KDE),namely Digikam, Dolphin, Krita, Showphoto and Kdenlive. Everything works like a greased lightning - maybe even faster then on generic Kubuntu. But Akonadi somehow got installed into Xubuntu in the process...? - So I guess it is a dependency for one or more of those KDE-applications. Anyway Akonadi hasn't - yet - figured out how to crash or even slow down Xubuntu. Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --------- Running Linux xubuntu 12.04 --------- From barnaby at drofle.co.uk Sun Feb 19 13:19:48 2012 From: barnaby at drofle.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:19:48 +0000 Subject: Akonadi etc In-Reply-To: <4F40C964.6000007@haulrich.net> References: <4F40B67D.2030105@drofle.co.uk> <4F40C964.6000007@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <4F40F6F4.1070609@drofle.co.uk> On 19/02/12 10:05, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On 02/19/2012 09:44 AM, Neil Winchurst wrote: >> I attended a local Linux users meeting yesterday. I wanted to ask about >> Akonadi but no one there had heard of it. I then found out that I was >> the only one present using KDE. >> >> So my question is, is akonadi a KDE only program? And if so, do other >> desktops such as Gnome, Xfce, LXDE have similar programs? >> >> Incidentally I don't use akonadi at all and keep it switched off >> permanently. I would like to remove it altogether, but I have heard that >> could cause problems. > > Like you, I tried to remove Akonadi, but doing so will remove the whole > KDE. As a workaround, I remove all KDE-PIM stuff (Kmail, Kontact etc..), > but Akonadi still sits there, lurking and ready to break whatever it > dislikes. > > Then, I tried to wipe the whole thing and installed Xubuntu. The big > idea being that Xubuntu has a feature called "Enable KDE functionality > during startup" - or some such. OK, then I installed the applications I > need most (and the reasons why I prefer KDE),namely Digikam, Dolphin, > Krita, Showphoto and Kdenlive. Everything works like a greased lightning > - maybe even faster then on generic Kubuntu. > > But Akonadi somehow got installed into Xubuntu in the process...? - So I > guess it is a dependency for one or more of those KDE-applications. > > Anyway Akonadi hasn't - yet - figured out how to crash or even slow down > Xubuntu. > > Kaj Haulrich. Thanks for the reply. I am probably going to need to update my distro or replace it soon. I have had a look at Xubuntu, in VBox, and I quite like it. To be fair, a lot of the stuff in kubuntu I don't want or use. I have not noticed akonadi yet in my copy of xubuntu. But, is it a KDE application only? And, secondly, I have always liked Linux mainly because of having plenty of choice about how it is set up. If a particular package gets installed automatically during the original installation and I decide I don't want it, I like the ability to remove it and replace it with something else without any problems. This is not the case with akonadi. It seems that the developers have decided that we will have it, like it or not!! Regards Neil From kubuntu-users at whamra.com Sun Feb 19 15:28:57 2012 From: kubuntu-users at whamra.com (Waleed Hamra) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:28:57 +0200 Subject: Upgrading In-Reply-To: <20120219082804.GA17071@xpresso.seaslug.org> References: <20120219082804.GA17071@xpresso.seaslug.org> Message-ID: <4F411539.10507@whamra.com> On 19/02/12 10:28, Bill Vance wrote: > Howdy; > > Running 10.04 here, and experiencing a little confusion in the docs > about upgrading. > > Which command(s) just upgrade the software, and, > which one(s) upgrade the entire OS? > > Thanks in advance. > > Bill > > > if you use apt-get, to update all software on your system, while sticking to release 10.04, you use: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade this above command will try to solve all dependencies, and will end up with a result of upgrading some packages, and might even remove packages, if deemed no longer unnecessary, or conflicting with newer packages. for an apt-get command that only upgrades, and won't remove conflicting packages (which means wont install some new packages), you can use: sudo apt-get upgrade if you use aptitude, which i usually prefer, the equivalent of the above commands is: sudo aptitude full-upgrade sudo aptitude safe-upgrade all the above commands update packages from your current release, that is, you stay on 10.04. now if you want to upgrade the release, and get a newer one, like 10.10, 11.04 or 11.10, there's another special command-line update for these. i am not sure how it'll react to having more than one release to upgrade to (3 stable ones in your case), but from my experience with upgrades to the next release directly, you use: sudo do-release-upgrade it's an interactive program, that will ask you few questions. note, you need to have the package "update-manager-core" installed, to have that program. hope this helps -- Waleed K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Lead Technician at Illusion Computers Megastore -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kubuntu-users at whamra.com Sun Feb 19 15:41:33 2012 From: kubuntu-users at whamra.com (Waleed Hamra) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:41:33 +0200 Subject: Akonadi etc In-Reply-To: <4F40B67D.2030105@drofle.co.uk> References: <4F40B67D.2030105@drofle.co.uk> Message-ID: <4F41182D.2000404@whamra.com> On 19/02/12 10:44, Neil Winchurst wrote: > I attended a local Linux users meeting yesterday. I wanted to ask about > Akonadi but no one there had heard of it. I then found out that I was > the only one present using KDE. > > So my question is, is akonadi a KDE only program? And if so, do other > desktops such as Gnome, Xfce, LXDE have similar programs? > > Incidentally I don't use akonadi at all and keep it switched off > permanently. I would like to remove it altogether, but I have heard that > could cause problems. > > Thanks > > Neil > hello neil, yes, akonadi is a KDE program... now is it a KDE-only program, i do not know, but non-KDE programs surely can interact with it if their developers wanted to, and i think that's the eventual aim in the head of KDE developers. to answer why you can't remove akonadi, we'll have to try and understand WHAT is akonadi in the first place. the idea behind akonadi is to have a central data service installed on KDE systems, that holds the data of programs requesting so. so instead of having some file lying somewhere in kontact's settings, that holds your address book, kontact will use akonadi to hold them. the benefit of that is that other programs, can ask akonadi for it and have them, then you'll have address book synchronization among all your programs... but that's in the ideal world, in the current world, no other program asks akonadi, or even acknowledges it exists, mainly because it's still this new not-fully-developed *thing*... akonadi can hold many different things other than address books, like your email, calendars, bookmarks, etc... in an effort from the KDE developers to get akonadi more popular, most of their programs already use it as their storage, and that's why it's needed. if you dont want it on a non-KDE system, you'll have to remove anything related to kdepim, and the plasma-widgets-workspace. in my experience, akonadi just sits there, doing absolutely nothing, i dont have any service configured in it, as i use thunderbird for email, and firefox for browser. -- Waleed K. Hamra Manager of Hamra Information Systems Lead Technician at Illusion Computers Megastore -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From barnaby at drofle.co.uk Sun Feb 19 17:40:12 2012 From: barnaby at drofle.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:40:12 +0000 Subject: Akonadi etc In-Reply-To: <4F41182D.2000404@whamra.com> References: <4F40B67D.2030105@drofle.co.uk> <4F41182D.2000404@whamra.com> Message-ID: <4F4133FC.50207@drofle.co.uk> On 19/02/12 15:41, Waleed Hamra wrote: > On 19/02/12 10:44, Neil Winchurst wrote: >> I attended a local Linux users meeting yesterday. I wanted to ask about >> Akonadi but no one there had heard of it. I then found out that I was >> the only one present using KDE. >> >> So my question is, is akonadi a KDE only program? And if so, do other >> desktops such as Gnome, Xfce, LXDE have similar programs? >> >> Incidentally I don't use akonadi at all and keep it switched off >> permanently. I would like to remove it altogether, but I have heard that >> could cause problems. >> >> Thanks >> >> Neil >> > > hello neil, > yes, akonadi is a KDE program... now is it a KDE-only program, i do not > know, but non-KDE programs surely can interact with it if their > developers wanted to, and i think that's the eventual aim in the head of > KDE developers. > to answer why you can't remove akonadi, we'll have to try and understand > WHAT is akonadi in the first place. > the idea behind akonadi is to have a central data service installed on > KDE systems, that holds the data of programs requesting so. so instead > of having some file lying somewhere in kontact's settings, that holds > your address book, kontact will use akonadi to hold them. the benefit of > that is that other programs, can ask akonadi for it and have them, then > you'll have address book synchronization among all your programs... but > that's in the ideal world, in the current world, no other program asks > akonadi, or even acknowledges it exists, mainly because it's still this > new not-fully-developed *thing*... > akonadi can hold many different things other than address books, like > your email, calendars, bookmarks, etc... > in an effort from the KDE developers to get akonadi more popular, most > of their programs already use it as their storage, and that's why it's > needed. if you dont want it on a non-KDE system, you'll have to remove > anything related to kdepim, and the plasma-widgets-workspace. > in my experience, akonadi just sits there, doing absolutely nothing, i > dont have any service configured in it, as i use thunderbird for email, > and firefox for browser. > > Thank you for the information. It is as I suspected. As you say, if I don't want it on a non-KDE system I will have to remove kdepim etc. Since I don't use kmail or any or the related programs I don't want akonadi at all. Previously with Linux anything I don't want I can remove or not install. Akonadi seems to be different, I must have it installed whether I want/use it or not. (It doesn't have to be actually running.) This is a big change in the ethos of Linux and it is worrying. As you say, it is not yet fully developed. But, and this is the most important part of all this, even if/when it is finished and working perfectly, ** I still don't want it and I won't be using it **. So I should be able to remove it, or not install it, without any problems. This is why I asked the question in the first place, and why I am currently looking at other desktops and distros to see what is available elsewhere. One of the main reasons I have for using Linux is the ability to set it up and configure it how I like it. Are we going to lose this/ I hope not. Neil From bbales at cox.net Sun Feb 19 21:52:01 2012 From: bbales at cox.net (Bruce Bales) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:52:01 -0600 Subject: What version of KDE do I have? In-Reply-To: References: <4F389667.1050507@cfl.rr.com> <4F389BD0.9080600@iinet.net.au> <4F38BCB0.7050604@cfl.rr.com> <4F38E456.3050705@iinet.net.au> <4F401154.7050404@cox.net> Message-ID: <4F416F01.5080302@cox.net> On 02/18/2012 08:15 PM, José Queiroz wrote: > > > 2012/2/18 Bruce Bales > > > I installed Kubuntu 10.04-3. How do I learn what version of KDE I > have? Seems logical > that the numbers are stored somewhere in a file. Would the > 10.04-3 numbers be somewhere > in a file? > > Is it possible to downgrade to another earlier version of KDE? If > so, Where could I find > instructions for how to do it? > bruce > > > It's not recommended to downgrade KDE. If you doesn't like KDE4 > look&feel, you may try some of the KDE themes, Gnome, or even Unity. > > I recommend you to do exactly the opposite: instead of downgrading, > upgrade it. Open up Software Properties and enable "Security" and > "Update" Repositories. Doing so, you'll get both security and bug > fixes past 10.04-3. If you're brave of heart :D, you can enable also > Backports Repository, and get several new packages not included with > Kubuntu Lucid, but made available to Natty and/or Oneiric, the > following versions. > > But if you really have the guts :D :D, install Kubuntu PPA: > https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports > > These will give you the new versions of KDE. I use them on most of my > Kubuntu machines. > > Answering one of your questions: which version ships with Kubuntu > 10.04 Lucid Lynx? Lucid ships with KDE 4.2. You can check it with > "apt-cache policy kdebase-runtime". You can also open any KDE app > (e.g. konsole), and go Help >> About KDE. Thanks to all of you. I got some good answers and may get things going again. bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SLNTHERO at AOL.com Tue Feb 21 21:53:02 2012 From: SLNTHERO at AOL.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? Message-ID: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? Hi, Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" ? (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) How do I fix the above error? Thanks! Jesse From fatgerman at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 22:08:15 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:08:15 +0000 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> Message-ID: <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will need to add the public signing key as well - this allows the software manager to check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). You can find this on the PPA page. However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all the necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from software sources and then do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. Your update manager will then stop complaining. Mark On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: > [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? > > Hi, > > Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 > on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). > > I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", > but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: > "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" ? > (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) > > How do I fix the above error? > > Thanks! > > Jesse > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SLNTHERO at AOL.com Tue Feb 21 22:39:30 2012 From: SLNTHERO at AOL.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:39:30 -0500 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F441D22.2010506@AOL.com> On 02/21/2012 05:08 PM, Mark Greenwood wrote: > > How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will > need to add the public signing key as well - this allows the software > manager to check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). > You can find this on the PPA page. > > However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all > the necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from > software sources and then do: > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:*ubuntu-wine/ppa* > * > * > *This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. > Your update manager will then stop complaining.* > * > * > *Mark* > > > > > On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: > >> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? >> >> Hi, >> >> Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 >> on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). >> >> I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", >> but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: >> "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key >> is not available" ? >> (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) >> >> How do I fix the above error? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jesse >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > Hi, Thanks, that worked! Jesse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Feb 22 08:18:18 2012 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:18:18 +0100 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F44A4CA.2020504@free.fr> Just a little precision for those who have an unknown version : The ppa ubuntu version is added as your actual version, for example I used 12.04 if the ppa is not for this version it will be complaining, then just change to a known version for example oneiric. Le 21/02/2012 23:08, Mark Greenwood a écrit : > > How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will > need to add the public signing key as well - this allows the software > manager to check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). > You can find this on the PPA page. > > However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all > the necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from > software sources and then do: > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:*ubuntu-wine/ppa* > * > * > *This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. > Your update manager will then stop complaining.* > * > * > *Mark* > > > > > On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: > >> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? >> >> Hi, >> >> Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 >> on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). >> >> I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", >> but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: >> "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key >> is not available" ? >> (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) >> >> How do I fix the above error? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jesse >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayburke30 at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 19:48:52 2012 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:48:52 +1100 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/22/12, Mark Greenwood wrote: > > How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will need to > add the public signing key as well - this allows the software manager to > check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). You can find > this on the PPA page. > > However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all the > necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from software sources > and then do: > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa > > This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. Your > update manager will then stop complaining. > > Mark > > > > > On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: > >> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? >> >> Hi, >> >> Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 >> on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). >> >> I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", >> but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: >> "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is >> not available" ? >> (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) >> >> How do I fix the above error? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jesse >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Mark Greenwood, I did the above what you said and open a terminal and imputed- sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa but it came back saying- rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa [sudo] password for rayburke: Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ do you know what the problem would be? ray From fatgerman at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 19:52:07 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:52:07 +0000 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4011BD25-1DFA-4C25-A4B6-D4B46C26BFFD@gmail.com> On 22 Feb 2012, at 19:48, ray burke wrote: > On 2/22/12, Mark Greenwood wrote: >> >> How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will need to >> add the public signing key as well - this allows the software manager to >> check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). You can find >> this on the PPA page. >> >> However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all the >> necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from software sources >> and then do: >> >> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >> >> This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. Your >> update manager will then stop complaining. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: >> >>> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 >>> on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). >>> >>> I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", >>> but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: >>> "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is >>> not available" ? >>> (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) >>> >>> How do I fix the above error? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Jesse >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > Mark Greenwood, > > I did the above what you said and open a terminal and imputed- > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa > but it came back saying- > > rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa > [sudo] password for rayburke: > Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: > protocol> > rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ > > do you know what the problem would be? No, I don't know. Probably just a temporary problem, try again. Mark > > ray > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From rayburke30 at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 20:13:37 2012 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:13:37 +1100 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: <4011BD25-1DFA-4C25-A4B6-D4B46C26BFFD@gmail.com> References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> <4011BD25-1DFA-4C25-A4B6-D4B46C26BFFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Mark Greenwood wrote: > > On 22 Feb 2012, at 19:48, ray burke wrote: > >> On 2/22/12, Mark Greenwood wrote: >>> >>> How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will need to >>> add the public signing key as well - this allows the software manager to >>> check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). You can find >>> this on the PPA page. >>> >>> However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all the >>> necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from software sources >>> and then do: >>> >>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>> >>> This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. Your >>> update manager will then stop complaining. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: >>> >>>> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 >>>> on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). >>>> >>>> I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", >>>> but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: >>>> "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is >>>> not available" ? >>>> (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) >>>> >>>> How do I fix the above error? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Jesse >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >>> >> Mark Greenwood, >> >> I did the above what you said and open a terminal and imputed- >> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >> but it came back saying- >> >> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >> [sudo] password for rayburke: >> Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: >> > protocol> >> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ >> >> do you know what the problem would be? > > No, I don't know. Probably just a temporary problem, try again. > > Mark > > >> >> ray >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Mark, Ok here goes ray From rayburke30 at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 20:18:38 2012 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:18:38 +1100 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> <4011BD25-1DFA-4C25-A4B6-D4B46C26BFFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:13 AM, ray burke wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Mark Greenwood wrote: >> >> On 22 Feb 2012, at 19:48, ray burke wrote: >> >>> On 2/22/12, Mark Greenwood wrote: >>>> >>>> How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will need to >>>> add the public signing key as well - this allows the software manager to >>>> check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). You can find >>>> this on the PPA page. >>>> >>>> However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all the >>>> necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from software sources >>>> and then do: >>>> >>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>>> >>>> This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. Your >>>> update manager will then stop complaining. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: >>>> >>>>> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 >>>>> on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). >>>>> >>>>> I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", >>>>> but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: >>>>> "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is >>>>> not available" ? >>>>> (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) >>>>> >>>>> How do I fix the above error? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Jesse >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>> >>>> >>> Mark Greenwood, >>> >>> I did the above what you said and open a terminal and imputed- >>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>> but it came back saying- >>> >>> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>> [sudo] password for rayburke: >>> Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: >>> >> protocol> >>> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ >>> >>> do you know what the problem would be? >> >> No, I don't know. Probably just a temporary problem, try again. >> >> Mark >> >> >>> >>> ray >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > Mark, > > Ok here goes > > ray Mark Greenwood, the same again- rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa [sudo] password for rayburke: Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa [sudo] password for rayburke: Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ ray From fatgerman at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 20:26:14 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:26:14 +0000 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> <4011BD25-1DFA-4C25-A4B6-D4B46C26BFFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 22 Feb 2012, at 20:18, ray burke wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:13 AM, ray burke wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Mark Greenwood wrote: >>> >>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 19:48, ray burke wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/22/12, Mark Greenwood wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will need to >>>>> add the public signing key as well - this allows the software manager to >>>>> check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). You can find >>>>> this on the PPA page. >>>>> >>>>> However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all the >>>>> necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from software sources >>>>> and then do: >>>>> >>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>>>> >>>>> This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. Your >>>>> update manager will then stop complaining. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 >>>>>> on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). >>>>>> >>>>>> I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", >>>>>> but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: >>>>>> "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is >>>>>> not available" ? >>>>>> (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) >>>>>> >>>>>> How do I fix the above error? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Jesse >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Mark Greenwood, >>>> >>>> I did the above what you said and open a terminal and imputed- >>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>>> but it came back saying- >>>> >>>> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>>> [sudo] password for rayburke: >>>> Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: >>>> >>> protocol> >>>> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ >>>> >>>> do you know what the problem would be? >>> >>> No, I don't know. Probably just a temporary problem, try again. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ray >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> Mark, >> >> Ok here goes >> >> ray > > Mark Greenwood, > > the same again- > > rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa > [sudo] password for rayburke: > Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: > protocol> > rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa > [sudo] password for rayburke: > Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: > protocol> > rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ > It's working for me. I don't know what version of kubuntu you're running - I'm using 11.10. They did change something recently on the server side so perhaps if you're running an earlier version that command will no longer work. Mark > ray > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From rayburke30 at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 20:36:09 2012 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:36:09 +1100 Subject: [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? In-Reply-To: References: <4F44123E.8080106@AOL.com> <015877FE-20A0-4C59-938E-AE4398D56D85@gmail.com> <4011BD25-1DFA-4C25-A4B6-D4B46C26BFFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Mark Greenwood wrote: > > On 22 Feb 2012, at 20:18, ray burke wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:13 AM, ray burke wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Mark Greenwood wrote: >>>> >>>> On 22 Feb 2012, at 19:48, ray burke wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2/22/12, Mark Greenwood wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> How did you add the wine PPA? If you used software sources you will need to >>>>>> add the public signing key as well - this allows the software manager to >>>>>> check that the packages are signed (i.e. they are genuine). You can find >>>>>> this on the PPA page. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, the easiest way to add a PPA is from a terminal, it does all the >>>>>> necessary steps for you. Just remove the one you added from software sources >>>>>> and then do: >>>>>> >>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>>>>> >>>>>> This will add the software source and the signing key in one step. Your >>>>>> update manager will then stop complaining. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:53, Jesse Palser wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> [Kubuntu11.10_64Bit]-Wine1.4rc4_PPA-"public key is not available"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Running current Wine version 1.4 RC #4 >>>>>>> on Kubuntu 11.10 64Bit OS (fully updated). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I added the Wine 1.4 PPA to my "Software Sources", >>>>>>> but now "Update Manager" constantly complains: >>>>>>> "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is >>>>>>> not available" ? >>>>>>> (Wine 1.4 RC #4 works fine) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do I fix the above error? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jesse >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Mark Greenwood, >>>>> >>>>> I did the above what you said and open a terminal and imputed- >>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>>>> but it came back saying- >>>>> >>>>> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >>>>> [sudo] password for rayburke: >>>>> Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: >>>>> >>>> protocol> >>>>> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ >>>>> >>>>> do you know what the problem would be? >>>> >>>> No, I don't know. Probably just a temporary problem, try again. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ray >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Ok here goes >>> >>> ray >> >> Mark Greenwood, >> >> the same again- >> >> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >> [sudo] password for rayburke: >> Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: >> > protocol> >> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa >> [sudo] password for rayburke: >> Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa: >> > protocol> >> rayburke at rayburke-desktop:~$ >> > > It's working for me. I don't know what version of kubuntu you're running - I'm using 11.10. They did change something recently on the server side so perhaps if you're running an earlier version that command will no longer work. > > Mark > >> ray >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Mark, I am running k10.10 mm and have wine 1.2.3, and want to upgrade but because I have dial up to upgrade would take forever as in my kpackagekit is shows wine 1.3 as an update at 49mb? ray From knutihe at web.de Thu Feb 23 09:22:52 2012 From: knutihe at web.de (knutihe at web.de) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:22:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? Message-ID: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 23 10:22:20 2012 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:22:20 +0100 Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? In-Reply-To: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> References: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> Message-ID: <4F46135C.10502@xs4all.nl> On 02/23/2012 10:22 AM, knutihe at web.de wrote: > Hi! > > I have several Windows Shares I want to mount with KNetAttach and then > add it to the favorites Panel in Dolphin. Now I have to enter my > username/password combination everytime I close Dolphin, which is > pretty annoying. Is there a possibility to save username/pw so I don't > have to type it all the time? > > Thx in advance! > > Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App für > iPhone und Android. > *https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/* > > > Hello, Don't know whether you can, but I would like to caution you in doing this. A few months ago my son had his PC stolen. This was immediately followed by misuse of all his registered accounts (email, bank, websites). Mails were completely deleted and bank was accessed, but happily no transaction was done because of lack of a pass or something. The point is that he had saved all his passwords in his browser or in the applications he used. For that reason it was easy for the thiefs to access his accounts. If you now save your passwords in Linux, thiefs of your machine will easily access your windows shares and your effort to secure will be for naught. Of course, it is entirely up to you. I am only cautioning you that this might happen. Just dont blame Linux if it happens. Guus Bonnema. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 11:07:10 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:07:10 +0200 Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? In-Reply-To: <4F46135C.10502@xs4all.nl> References: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> <4F46135C.10502@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4F461DDE.90101@gmail.com> On 23/02/12 12:22, Guus wrote: > On 02/23/2012 10:22 AM, knutihe at web.de wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I have several Windows Shares I want to mount with KNetAttach and then >> add it to the favorites Panel in Dolphin. Now I have to enter my >> username/password combination everytime I close Dolphin, which is >> pretty annoying. Is there a possibility to save username/pw so I don't >> have to type it all the time? >> >> Thx in advance! >> >> Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App für >> iPhone und Android. >> *https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/* >> >> >> > Hello, > > Don't know whether you can, but I would like to caution you in doing > this. A few months ago my son had his PC stolen. > This was immediately followed by misuse of all his registered accounts > (email, bank, websites). > Mails were completely deleted and bank was accessed, but happily no > transaction was done because of lack of a pass or something. > > The point is that he had saved all his passwords in his browser or in > the applications he used. For that reason it was easy for the thiefs to > access his accounts. > > If you now save your passwords in Linux, thiefs of your machine will > easily access your windows shares and your effort to secure will be for > naught. > Of course, it is entirely up to you. I am only cautioning you that this > might happen. Just dont blame Linux if it happens. > given that windows shares are normally on a LAN I kind of doubt anyone with a stolen computer will access them. I would like to know the answer myself as I go nuts by having to put in the username and password every time I connect to one of the windows servers I frequently work with Sinclair From basroufs at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 12:51:52 2012 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs ) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:51:52 +0100 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame :-) an uncontrollably jumping cursor? Message-ID: <201202231351.53925.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Hello everybody. Ever since a few months I had troubles again with an uncontrollably jumping cursor: at my netbook Asus 1001 HA along with Kubuntu 11.04. I type quickly and blind. The cursor often suddenly jumped to another position unexpectedly, while typing. A few minutes ago, I took a look at: SYSTEM SETTINGS > input devices > touchpad. There, I scrutinised the tabs "scrolling" and "tapping". In both tabs, I ended up in UNchecking or disabling every option I could handle in either way. Later today or tomorrow, I will tell whether this measure works effectively. My question for now is: can someone recommend me any other measure with a view to taming :-) the jumping cursor? Any thoughts? Thanks for replying, respectfully yours, Bas. -- ==== Bas G. Roufs MA Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht +31 30 785 20 40 +31 6 446 835 10 BasRoufs at gmail.com OS: Linux Kubuntu 11.04, kubuntu.org Websites in construction: * rainbowgathering.eu * basroufs.eu * viaconsensus.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 23 13:05:36 2012 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:05:36 +0100 Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? In-Reply-To: <4F461DDE.90101@gmail.com> References: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> <4F46135C.10502@xs4all.nl> <4F461DDE.90101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F4639A0.4000601@xs4all.nl> On 02/23/2012 12:07 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > > given that windows shares are normally on a LAN I kind of doubt anyone > with a stolen computer will access them. I would like to know the > answer myself as I go nuts by having to put in the username and > password every time I connect to one of the windows servers I > frequently work with > > Sinclair > Hey Sinclair, You may be right if its on a LAN (and they dont take your server as well xD). Still, I have become very careful with storing passwords in browsers and other applications because I have seen the consequences. Reading your response I was wondering why you bother with a password at all, given that the shares are not publicly accessible. Guus Bonnema. From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 23 13:14:30 2012 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:14:30 +0100 Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? In-Reply-To: <4F4639A0.4000601@xs4all.nl> References: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> <4F46135C.10502@xs4all.nl> <4F461DDE.90101@gmail.com> <4F4639A0.4000601@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4F463BB6.4020007@xs4all.nl> On 02/23/2012 02:05 PM, Guus wrote: > On 02/23/2012 12:07 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >> given that windows shares are normally on a LAN I kind of doubt >> anyone with a stolen computer will access them. I would like to know >> the answer myself as I go nuts by having to put in the username and >> password every time I connect to one of the windows servers I >> frequently work with >> >> Sinclair >> > > Hey Sinclair, > > You may be right if its on a LAN (and they dont take your server as > well xD). Still, I have become very careful with storing passwords in > browsers and other applications because I have seen the consequences. > Reading your response I was wondering why you bother with a password > at all, given that the shares are not publicly accessible. > > Guus Bonnema. > If you really want this automated, why not create a script that mounts the share with the password in it? Make sure the script is only readable and writable by you or by root, and only executable by others or not. Then execute the script either at startup or at logon. Hope this helps. Guus. From knutihe at web.de Thu Feb 23 13:39:17 2012 From: knutihe at web.de (knutihe at web.de) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:39:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? Message-ID: <2123385387.4636546.1330004357690.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb026> On 23.02.2012 14:14, Guus wrote:On 02/23/2012 02:05 PM, Guus wrote: On 02/23/2012 12:07 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: given that windows shares are normally on a LAN I kind of doubt anyone with a stolen computer will access them. I would like to know the answer myself as I go nuts by having to put in the username and password every time I connect to one of the windows servers I frequently work with Sinclair   Hey Sinclair, You may be right if its on a LAN (and they dont take your server as well xD). Still, I have become very careful with storing passwords in browsers and other applications because I have seen the consequences. Reading your response I was wondering why you bother with a password at all, given that the shares are not publicly accessible. Guus Bonnema.  If you really want this automated, why not create a script that mounts the share with the password in it? Make sure the script is only readable and writable by you or by root, and only executable by others or not. Then execute the script either at startup or at logon. Hope this helps. Guus.  Problem with this is, that root mounts the drives then and the normal user does not have rights to write files in these shared folders, as far as i know. That was the problem that I always had when I scripted it directly in /etc/fstab. Btw. I'm in an enterprise environment. ___________________________________________________________ Ihr WEB.DE Postfach immer dabei: die kostenlose WEB.DE Mail App für iPhone und Android. https://produkte.web.de/freemail_mobile_startseite/ From pcklempt at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 13:50:55 2012 From: pcklempt at gmail.com (Pablo Carbonell-Klempt) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:50:55 +0100 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) Message-ID: Hello Neil, Maybe this could throw some light on the subject: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi You may definitively look for another distro and desktop. Cheers, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt 2012/2/20 > Re: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zekkerj at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 13:51:52 2012 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Queiroz?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:51:52 -0200 Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? In-Reply-To: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> References: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> Message-ID: Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 07:22, escreveu: > Hi! > > I have several Windows Shares I want to mount with KNetAttach and then add > it to the favorites Panel in Dolphin. Now I have to enter my > username/password combination everytime I close Dolphin, which is pretty > annoying. Is there a possibility to save username/pw so I don't have to > type it all the time? > > > Thx in advance! > > Hi, In Kubuntu Lucid this is done by Kwalletd, AFAIK. You are prompted to choose a "master password", without what you cannot retrieve the saved passwords. I believe that the same will occur with newer versions (Maverick, Natty, Oneiric and Precise). If you intend to script the mounting of these shares, this can be done with a combination of parameters in /etc/fstab. In special, there is a "credentials" parameter that you can use to inform a file (which must belong to root and have 0600 permission) with username, password and domain to your shared windows folders. Use it along with "user" parameter so you can mount/unmount it without root privileges, and "noauto" parameter, so it will be mounted only when you demand it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zekkerj at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 13:59:15 2012 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Queiroz?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:59:15 -0200 Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? In-Reply-To: <4F4639A0.4000601@xs4all.nl> References: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> <4F46135C.10502@xs4all.nl> <4F461DDE.90101@gmail.com> <4F4639A0.4000601@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 11:05, Guus escreveu: > On 02/23/2012 12:07 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > >> >> given that windows shares are normally on a LAN I kind of doubt anyone >> with a stolen computer will access them. I would like to know the answer >> myself as I go nuts by having to put in the username and password every >> time I connect to one of the windows servers I frequently work with >> >> Sinclair >> >> > Hey Sinclair, > > You may be right if its on a LAN (and they dont take your server as well > xD). Still, I have become very careful with storing passwords in browsers > and other applications because I have seen the consequences. > Reading your response I was wondering why you bother with a password at > all, given that the shares are not publicly accessible. > > Guus Bonnema. > > Hi Gus, Several browsers have a "master password" function that makes it a little harder to someone access saved passwords without proper permissions. But if you're using a machine that you cannot trust by any reason --- in example, a cybercafe --- the best option is use "private mode browsing", or at least remember to clear all saved data (sessions, passwords, cookies, etc) prior leaving the machine. The worst option of all is have no passwords. The fact that a share have no public access doesn't means that everyone that can connect to it have rights to access it. Even on a SOHO environment, there may be reasons to one person to keep some files away from its near users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zekkerj at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 14:21:37 2012 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Queiroz?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:21:37 -0200 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see that Digital Clock is an Akonadi-enabled application. Is there a non-akonadi-enabled similar widget, so one can have a mere clock on its panel, without having to bear the beast, also? Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 11:50, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt escreveu: > Hello Neil, > > Maybe this could throw some light on the subject: > > http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi > > You may definitively look for another distro and desktop. > > > Cheers, > > Pablo Carbonell-Klempt > > > 2012/2/20 > >> Re: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Feb 23 15:20:04 2012 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:04 -0600 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame :-) an uncontrollably jumping cursor? In-Reply-To: <201202231351.53925.BasRoufs@gmail.com> References: <201202231351.53925.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F465924.4090705@swbell.net> On 02/23/2012 06:51 AM, Bas G. Roufs wrote: > Hello everybody. > > Ever since a few months I had troubles again with an uncontrollably > jumping cursor: at my netbook Asus 1001 HA along with Kubuntu 11.04. I > type quickly and blind. The cursor often suddenly jumped to another > position unexpectedly, while typing. > > A few minutes ago, I took a look at: SYSTEM SETTINGS > input devices > > touchpad. There, I scrutinised the tabs "scrolling" and "tapping". In > both tabs, I ended up in UNchecking or disabling every option I could > handle in either way. Later today or tomorrow, I will tell whether this > measure works effectively. > > My question for now is: can someone recommend me any other measure with > a view to taming :-) the jumping cursor? Any thoughts? > > Thanks for replying, respectfully yours, > > Bas. I use Synaptiks [ however it's spelled ] to turn off the touch pad and use a mouse. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bnw101 at btinternet.com Thu Feb 23 17:45:52 2012 From: bnw101 at btinternet.com (Brian Wootton) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:45:52 +0000 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame an, uncontrollably jumping cursor? (Bas G. Roufs ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F467B50.7020003@btinternet.com> On 23/02/2012 13:59, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Hello everybody. > > Ever since a few months I had troubles again with an uncontrollably jumping > cursor: at my netbook Asus 1001 HA along with Kubuntu 11.04. I type quickly > and blind. The cursor often suddenly jumped to another position unexpectedly, > while typing. > A few minutes ago, I took a look at: SYSTEM SETTINGS> input devices> > touchpad. There, I scrutinised the tabs "scrolling" and "tapping". In both > tabs, I ended up in UNchecking or disabling every option I could handle in > either way. Later today or tomorrow, I will tell whether this measure works > effectively. > My question for now is: can someone recommend me any other measure with a view > to taming:-) the jumping cursor? Any thoughts? > Thanks for replying, respectfully yours, > Bas. > A friend of mine had this problem on his netbook, we tried everything but couldn't cure it. We finally decided his netbook had a too sensitive touch pad and parts of his fingers/hands/wrists/clothing were touching it while he was typing. The only solution we could find was to plug in a USB mouse and disable the touchpad altogether. A bit of a pain to have to carry a mouse as well as a netbook on his travels but it reduced the number of 'expletive/deleted's considerably. brian From barnaby at drofle.co.uk Thu Feb 23 17:54:13 2012 From: barnaby at drofle.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:54:13 +0000 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> On 23/02/12 13:50, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt wrote: > Hello Neil, > > Maybe this could throw some light on the subject: > > http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi > > You may definitively look for another distro and desktop. > > > Cheers, > > Pablo Carbonell-Klempt > Thanks for that. I do not use any of the programs or widgets that need/use akonadi. I have also made sure that akonadi is not started at log in. That is fine, but what annoys me is that I cannot simply remove it. The whole advantage of Linux to me is that I should be able to remove any package which I don't want. This appears not to be possible with akonadi without causing a lot of trouble. IMO that is not how Linux programs should be. Just my personal opinion. Thanks Neil From fatgerman at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 18:07:01 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:07:01 +0000 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) In-Reply-To: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> References: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> Message-ID: <75D048D0-25E7-4EA5-9341-8D53A22CCBFA@gmail.com> On 23 Feb 2012, at 17:54, Neil Winchurst wrote: > On 23/02/12 13:50, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt wrote: >> Hello Neil, >> >> Maybe this could throw some light on the subject: >> >> http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi >> >> You may definitively look for another distro and desktop. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Pablo Carbonell-Klempt >> > > Thanks for that. I do not use any of the programs or widgets that > need/use akonadi. I have also made sure that akonadi is not started at > log in. That is fine, but what annoys me is that I cannot simply remove > it. The whole advantage of Linux to me is that I should be able to > remove any package which I don't want. This appears not to be possible > with akonadi without causing a lot of trouble. IMO that is not how Linux > programs should be. Just my personal opinion. > Well that's not strictly true, though I understand where you're coming from. But you can't just remove any package you don't want - things have dependencies, that's how packaging works. Applications can be removed yes, but core system components (which Akonadi is) cannot just be removed without breaking everything that requires it. Try removing any of the other core desktop components - I'm not a great fan of udev for example but if I want my hardware to work I can't remove it. If you really want KDE without Akonadi you can still choose to do it, although that would probably require building KDE from source. Packagers have to make decisions about dependencies and making Akonadi optional is just not possible given how much of a core component it now is. Mark > Thanks > > Neil > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From zekkerj at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 18:10:39 2012 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Queiroz?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:10:39 -0200 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) In-Reply-To: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> References: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> Message-ID: Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 15:54, Neil Winchurst escreveu: > On 23/02/12 13:50, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt wrote: > Just my personal opinion. > > You're not alone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From zekkerj at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 18:24:06 2012 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Queiroz?=) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:24:06 -0200 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) In-Reply-To: <75D048D0-25E7-4EA5-9341-8D53A22CCBFA@gmail.com> References: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> <75D048D0-25E7-4EA5-9341-8D53A22CCBFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 16:07, Mark Greenwood escreveu: > > Well that's not strictly true, though I understand where you're coming > from. But you can't just remove any package you don't want - things have > dependencies, that's how packaging works. Applications can be removed yes, > but core system components (which Akonadi is) cannot just be removed > without breaking everything that requires it. Try removing any of the other > core desktop components - I'm not a great fan of udev for example but if I > want my hardware to work I can't remove it. > > If you really want KDE without Akonadi you can still choose to do it, > although that would probably require building KDE from source. Packagers > have to make decisions about dependencies and making Akonadi optional is > just not possible given how much of a core component it now is. > > Mark > > Hi Mark, Now I ask you to analyse my situation: I don't use Kmail, neither, Kcontact, neither any of the components that need Akonadi. In fact, the only personal information stored in my computers are my files. Indeed, the only application that is dependant of Akonadi that I use is... digital clock. Which I want to use as... a digital clock. Not as an advanced personal agenda. So, it would be nice if I had an option to have only the time in screen, without having to start a full database server along with it. I'm very happy that KDE is able to offer this kind of tool, it may be very useful to many people. But I beg you to understand that I'm not happy on being obligated to use akonadi. The fact that it is a great piece of code doesn't change the fact that I don't need it (nor am I saying that the fact that I don't need it makes it a bad software). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fatgerman at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 18:30:58 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:30:58 +0000 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) In-Reply-To: References: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> <75D048D0-25E7-4EA5-9341-8D53A22CCBFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6263EF42-EF12-44F6-9023-D410D468C4E6@gmail.com> On 23 Feb 2012, at 18:24, José Queiroz wrote: > > > Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 16:07, Mark Greenwood escreveu: > > Well that's not strictly true, though I understand where you're coming from. But you can't just remove any package you don't want - things have dependencies, that's how packaging works. Applications can be removed yes, but core system components (which Akonadi is) cannot just be removed without breaking everything that requires it. Try removing any of the other core desktop components - I'm not a great fan of udev for example but if I want my hardware to work I can't remove it. > > If you really want KDE without Akonadi you can still choose to do it, although that would probably require building KDE from source. Packagers have to make decisions about dependencies and making Akonadi optional is just not possible given how much of a core component it now is. > > Mark > > > Hi Mark, > > Now I ask you to analyse my situation: I don't use Kmail, neither, Kcontact, neither any of the components that need Akonadi. In fact, the only personal information stored in my computers are my files. > > Indeed, the only application that is dependant of Akonadi that I use is... digital clock. Which I want to use as... a digital clock. Not as an advanced personal agenda. So, it would be nice if I had an option to have only the time in screen, without having to start a full database server along with it. > > I'm very happy that KDE is able to offer this kind of tool, it may be very useful to many people. But I beg you to understand that I'm not happy on being obligated to use akonadi. The fact that it is a great piece of code doesn't change the fact that I don't need it (nor am I saying that the fact that I don't need it makes it a bad software). Well OK you use it as you see fit, but the designer of the digital clock decided that it would be great to link it to the calendar. This requires Akonadi. So the clock requires Akonadi. There's a big difference between making a component optional and solving the often highly complex dependency requirements when it comes to packaging software. In this case it seems those problems are not easily resolvable and so the digital clock has Akonadi as a dependency. So if you remove Akonadi the package manager will remove the digital clock also. You can always force the package manager to remove only the packages you tell it to remove, but then your system might become unstable. Take the good with the bad. Mark > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Feb 23 19:01:53 2012 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:01:53 -0500 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame an, uncontrollably jumping cursor? (Bas G. Roufs ) In-Reply-To: <4F467B50.7020003@btinternet.com> References: <4F467B50.7020003@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <17275929.v9YJNVEsT6@linux1> On Thursday, February 23, 2012 05:45:52 PM Brian Wootton wrote: > > My question for now is: can someone recommend me any other measure with > > a view to taming:-) the jumping cursor? Any thoughts? > > Thanks for replying, respectfully yours, > > Bas. Try using gpointing-device-settings which you may have to start from a command line. But it brings up a gui that will let you turn off tapping and scrolling on the touchpad and possibly set the sensitivity of the touchpad. From silhusk at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 21:05:19 2012 From: silhusk at gmail.com (Carlo Vanini) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:05:19 +0100 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame an, uncontrollably jumping cursor? (Bas G. Roufs ) In-Reply-To: <17275929.v9YJNVEsT6@linux1> References: <4F467B50.7020003@btinternet.com> <17275929.v9YJNVEsT6@linux1> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Thursday, February 23, 2012 05:45:52 PM Brian Wootton wrote: >> > My question for now is: can someone recommend me any other measure with >> > a view to taming:-)  the jumping cursor? Any thoughts? >> > Thanks for replying, respectfully yours, >> > Bas. > > Try using   gpointing-device-settings  which you may have to start from a > command line.  But it brings up a gui that will let you turn off tapping and > scrolling on the touchpad  and possibly set the sensitivity of the touchpad. > > You may also want to try synaptiks (in the kde-config-touchpad package), which allows you to configure the touchpad to be disabled when keyboard activity is detected and turned back on after a configurable delay. From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Thu Feb 23 23:23:31 2012 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Tom Bell) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:23:31 -0500 Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? In-Reply-To: <4F461DDE.90101@gmail.com> References: <1765998332.1825462.1329988972057.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb038> <4F46135C.10502@xs4all.nl> <4F461DDE.90101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F46CA73.9040103@cfl.rr.com> On 02/23/2012 06:07 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > /* snip*/ >> > > > given that windows shares are normally on a LAN I kind of doubt anyone > with a stolen computer will access them. I would like to know the > answer myself as I go nuts by having to put in the username and > password every time I connect to one of the windows servers I > frequently work with > > Sinclair > I use LastPass (http://lastpass.com/index.php). I can not only store passwords, but it will allow me to use Firefox to login automatically. I can select to copy any username for the different sites and any password. The user IDs and passwords are stored securely online so I can share the information with all my computers and it can be password protected, giving secure access to the information. Many Windows users do not protect their laptops or desktops with a password making password storage a problem unless it is protected by a password. Just FYI! Good luck! Tom From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 06:17:09 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:17:09 +0200 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame an, uncontrollably jumping cursor? (Bas G. Roufs ) In-Reply-To: References: <4F467B50.7020003@btinternet.com> <17275929.v9YJNVEsT6@linux1> Message-ID: <4F472B65.9020409@gmail.com> On 23/02/12 23:05, Carlo Vanini wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Thursday, February 23, 2012 05:45:52 PM Brian Wootton wrote: >>>> My question for now is: can someone recommend me any other measure with >>>> a view to taming:-) the jumping cursor? Any thoughts? >>>> Thanks for replying, respectfully yours, >>>> Bas. >> >> Try using gpointing-device-settings which you may have to start from a >> command line. But it brings up a gui that will let you turn off tapping and >> scrolling on the touchpad and possibly set the sensitivity of the touchpad. >> >> > > You may also want to try synaptiks (in the kde-config-touchpad > package), which allows you to configure the touchpad to be disabled > when keyboard activity is detected and turned back on after a > configurable delay. > I do not see that setting? A lot of other settings but not that one - and I would really love to have that From alexgabriel at dimensiadesign.com Fri Feb 24 07:30:55 2012 From: alexgabriel at dimensiadesign.com (Alex Gabriel) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 02:30:55 -0500 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame :-) an uncontrollably jumping cursor? In-Reply-To: <4F465924.4090705@swbell.net> References: <201202231351.53925.BasRoufs@gmail.com> <4F465924.4090705@swbell.net> Message-ID: On 23 February 2012 10:20, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 02/23/2012 06:51 AM, Bas G. Roufs wrote: >> >> Hello everybody. >> >> Ever since a few months I had troubles again with an uncontrollably >> jumping cursor: at my netbook Asus 1001 HA along with Kubuntu 11.04. I >> type quickly and blind. The cursor often suddenly jumped to another >> position unexpectedly, while typing. >> >> A few minutes ago, I took a look at: SYSTEM SETTINGS > input devices > >> touchpad. There, I scrutinised the tabs "scrolling" and "tapping". In >> both tabs, I ended up in UNchecking or disabling every option I could >> handle in either way. Later today or tomorrow, I will tell whether this >> measure works effectively. >> >> My question for now is: can someone recommend me any other measure with >> a view to taming :-) the jumping cursor? Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks for replying, respectfully yours, >> >> Bas. > > I use Synaptiks [ however it's spelled ] to turn off the touch pad and use a > mouse. I also use Synaptiks. It has the added advantage of automatically disabling the touchpad when a mouse is connected. You can also check your netbook documentation for a key combination that will disable the touchpad entirely. I tend to use that if I'm doing a lot of typing with no mouse usage, especially when I'm not connected to power, as I rarely ever carry a mouse with me when I travel. Alex Gabriel Dimensia Design Studio alexgabriel at dimensiadesign.com From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Fri Feb 24 08:28:59 2012 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:28:59 +0100 Subject: How to store passwords for Windows Shares in Dolphin/KNetAttach? In-Reply-To: <2123385387.4636546.1330004357690.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb026> References: <2123385387.4636546.1330004357690.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb026> Message-ID: <4F474A4B.6070209@xs4all.nl> On 02/23/2012 02:39 PM, knutihe at web.de wrote: > On 23.02.2012 14:14, Guus wrote:On 02/23/2012 02:05 PM, Guus wrote: > If you really want this automated, why not create a script that mounts the share with the password in it? Make sure the script is only readable and writable by you or by root, and only executable by others or not. > Then execute the script either at startup or at logon. > > Hope this helps. > > Guus. > Problem with this is, that root mounts the drives then and the normal user does not have rights to write files in these shared folders, as far as i know. That was the problem that I always had when I scripted it directly in /etc/fstab. Btw. I'm in an enterprise environment. > Try out some of the mount options. Maybe you can pre-determine who is declared owner of the files. For example, I used to mount a windows partition (NTFS) with root, where I entered the UID and GID to conform to my regular user. Try this out for your file system and see if it works. For NTFS i added the option uid=1000,gid=1000. The man page explains as follows: " Mount options for ntfs uid=value, gid=value and umask=value Set the file permission on the filesystem. The umask value is given in octal. By default, the files are owned by root and not readable by somebody else. " Ofcourse you will probably be using smbmount. Havent got it installed, but you can look it up on your own system. Hope this helps. Guus Bonnema. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 08:54:49 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:54:49 +0200 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame an, uncontrollably jumping cursor? (Bas G. Roufs ) In-Reply-To: <4F472B65.9020409@gmail.com> References: <4F467B50.7020003@btinternet.com> <17275929.v9YJNVEsT6@linux1> <4F472B65.9020409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F475059.8030409@gmail.com> On 24/02/12 08:17, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 23/02/12 23:05, Carlo Vanini wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> On Thursday, February 23, 2012 05:45:52 PM Brian Wootton wrote: >>>>> My question for now is: can someone recommend me any other measure >>>>> with >>>>> a view to taming:-) the jumping cursor? Any thoughts? >>>>> Thanks for replying, respectfully yours, >>>>> Bas. >>> >>> Try using gpointing-device-settings which you may have to start from a >>> command line. But it brings up a gui that will let you turn off >>> tapping and >>> scrolling on the touchpad and possibly set the sensitivity of the >>> touchpad. >>> >>> >> >> You may also want to try synaptiks (in the kde-config-touchpad >> package), which allows you to configure the touchpad to be disabled >> when keyboard activity is detected and turned back on after a >> configurable delay. >> > > I do not see that setting? A lot of other settings but not that one - > and I would really love to have that > to answer my own question and do I feel stupid or what. Not that it is very "logical" if you ask me. in KDE menu Utilities you will find Synaptiks, not only in System Settings. Start that and a tray app appears where you in "configuration" can find the elusive setting "automatically switch off if keyboard activity is detected". And I thought I had looked everywhere.. truth to be told I do not get why this is NOT in the kcm module but OK - now I found it. Finally. Best Sinclair From barnaby at drofle.co.uk Fri Feb 24 09:41:13 2012 From: barnaby at drofle.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:41:13 +0000 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) In-Reply-To: <75D048D0-25E7-4EA5-9341-8D53A22CCBFA@gmail.com> References: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> <75D048D0-25E7-4EA5-9341-8D53A22CCBFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F475B39.6040307@drofle.co.uk> On 23/02/12 18:07, Mark Greenwood wrote: > >> Thanks for that. I do not use any of the programs or widgets that >> need/use akonadi. I have also made sure that akonadi is not started at >> log in. That is fine, but what annoys me is that I cannot simply remove >> it. The whole advantage of Linux to me is that I should be able to >> remove any package which I don't want. This appears not to be possible >> with akonadi without causing a lot of trouble. IMO that is not how Linux >> programs should be. Just my personal opinion. >> > > Well that's not strictly true, though I understand where you're coming from. But you can't just remove any package you don't want - things have dependencies, that's how packaging works. Applications can be removed yes, but core system components (which Akonadi is) cannot just be removed without breaking everything that requires it. Try removing any of the other core desktop components - I'm not a great fan of udev for example but if I want my hardware to work I can't remove it. > > If you really want KDE without Akonadi you can still choose to do it, although that would probably require building KDE from source. Packagers have to make decisions about dependencies and making Akonadi optional is just not possible given how much of a core component it now is. > > Mark > Thanks, I should have made it clear that I was talking about packages not core programs. I had not realised that akonadi was such a core program. Anyway, I don't use it or any or the packages which require it so I suppose I can just ignore it. I do wonder why akonadi was written in the first place. Was it something that users had been asking for? Neil From barnaby at drofle.co.uk Fri Feb 24 09:42:57 2012 From: barnaby at drofle.co.uk (Neil Winchurst) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:42:57 +0000 Subject: Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst) In-Reply-To: <6263EF42-EF12-44F6-9023-D410D468C4E6@gmail.com> References: <4F467D45.6090402@drofle.co.uk> <75D048D0-25E7-4EA5-9341-8D53A22CCBFA@gmail.com> <6263EF42-EF12-44F6-9023-D410D468C4E6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F475BA1.2020600@drofle.co.uk> On 23/02/12 18:30, Mark Greenwood wrote: > > > Well OK you use it as you see fit, but the designer of the digital clock > decided that it would be great to link it to the calendar. This requires > Akonadi. So the clock requires Akonadi. There's a big difference between > making a component optional and solving the often highly complex > dependency requirements when it comes to packaging software. In this > case it seems those problems are not easily resolvable and so the > digital clock has Akonadi as a dependency. So if you remove Akonadi the > package manager will remove the digital clock also. You can always force > the package manager to remove only the packages you tell it to remove, > but then your system might become unstable. Take the good with the bad. > > Mark > Are there no other digital clock widgets around that don't require akonadi? Neil From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 10:38:19 2012 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs ) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:38:19 +0100 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame :-) an uncontrollably jumping cursor? SOLVED. Message-ID: <201202241138.20997.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Dear Everybody Thanks for all the replies that have come in this thread. A perfectly well workable solution I found in the mean time in this direction: > You may also want to try synaptiks (in the kde-config-touchpad > package), which allows you to configure the touchpad to be disabled > when keyboard activity is detected and turned back on after a > configurable delay. The package "kde-config-touchpad" does show up as follows: SYSTEM SETTINGS > Hardware > Input devices > touchpad. However, it is better to evoke it via ALT F2 > give in the search window "Synaptiks". Then, click at "Synaptics touchpad management". Now, a gui appears containing a menu with two parts: "touchpad management" "touchpad configuration". "Touchpad management" does not show up via SYSTEM SETTINGS > Hardware > Input devices > touchpad. That's why, it's better to set "kde-config-touchpad" in motion via ALT F2. In "Touchpad management" I have checked two boxes: "Automatically switch off touchpad if a mouse is plugged in". "Automatically switch off touchpad on keyboard activity". In "Touchpad Configuration" I have switched off and disabled various options. In the tab "Hardware settings" I have left UNchecked the box "The touchpad is circular". All other settings I have kept as they are. In the tab "Cursor motion" I have UNchecked the box "Continue cursor motion when hitting the touchpad edge, for all movements, not only dragging." The speed and acceleration settings I keep as they are. In the tab "Scrolling" I have UNchecked all the boxes I could uncheck. But I have kept the settings "Move distance to scroll a single line" as "110". In the tab "tapping" I have unchecked and disabled all the option available there. As a matter of result, both the mouse and the touchpad work like a charm now. And moreover: the cursor does not jump anymore. Respectfully yours, Bas Roufs. -- ==== Bas G. Roufs MA Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL-3514 VT Utrecht +31 30 785 20 40 +31 6 446 835 10 BasRoufs at gmail.com OS: Linux Kubuntu 11.04, kubuntu.org Websites in construction: * rainbowgathering.eu * basroufs.eu * viaconsensus.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 10:47:17 2012 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:47:17 +0200 Subject: Netbook with Kubuntu 11.04: how best to tame :-) an uncontrollably jumping cursor? SOLVED. In-Reply-To: <201202241138.20997.BasRoufs@gmail.com> References: <201202241138.20997.BasRoufs@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F476AB5.4070902@gmail.com> On 24/02/12 12:38, Bas G. Roufs wrote: > Dear Everybody > > Thanks for all the replies that have come in this thread. > > A perfectly well workable solution I found in the mean time in this > direction: > >> You may also want to try synaptiks (in the kde-config-touchpad > >> package), which allows you to configure the touchpad to be disabled > >> when keyboard activity is detected and turned back on after a > >> configurable delay. > > The package "kde-config-touchpad" does show up as follows: SYSTEM > SETTINGS > Hardware > Input devices > touchpad. However, it is better to > evoke it via ALT F2 > give in the search window "Synaptiks". Then, click > at "Synaptics touchpad management". Now, a gui appears containing a menu > with two parts: > > * "touchpad management" > * "touchpad configuration". > > "Touchpad management" does not show up via SYSTEM SETTINGS > Hardware > > Input devices > touchpad. That's why, it's better to set > "kde-config-touchpad" in motion via ALT F2. > > In "Touchpad management" I have checked two boxes: > > * "Automatically switch off touchpad if a mouse is plugged in". > * "Automatically switch off touchpad on keyboard activity". > > In "Touchpad Configuration" I have switched off and disabled various > options. > > In the tab "Hardware settings" I have left UNchecked the box "The > touchpad is circular". All other settings I have kept as they are. > > In the tab "Cursor motion" I have UNchecked the box "Continue cursor > motion when hitting the touchpad edge, for all movements, not only > dragging." The speed and acceleration settings I keep as they are. > > In the tab "Scrolling" I have UNchecked all the boxes I could uncheck. > But I have kept the settings "Move distance to scroll a single line" as > "110". > > In the tab "tapping" I have unchecked and disabled all the option > available there. > > As a matter of result, both the mouse and the touchpad work like a charm > now. And moreover: the cursor does not jump anymore. > As I finally found - it can also be found in kde menu "Utilities" - and can be set to autostart as a tray "app" on login From frankie-1 at hotmail.nl Tue Feb 28 16:02:39 2012 From: frankie-1 at hotmail.nl (Henny de Graaf) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:02:39 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu screen 800x600 Message-ID: Dear Kubuntu users, Since a while i use Kubuntu and i like it, but one thing. My pc is connected with a s-video to my tv via a Asus Radeon 9250 videocard and the only resolution is 800x600. I would like to have more resolutions, anybody got tips? Searched with Google but that's a problem for me right now. Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theuteck at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 16:46:24 2012 From: theuteck at gmail.com (uteck) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:46:24 -0600 Subject: Kubuntu screen 800x600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Henny de Graaf wrote: > Dear Kubuntu users, > > Since a while i use Kubuntu and i like it, but one thing. > My pc is connected with a s-video to my tv via a Asus Radeon 9250 videocard > and the only resolution is 800x600. > I would like to have more resolutions, anybody got tips? > Searched with Google but that's a problem for me right now. > > Dennis > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > X cannot probe video resolution over s-video, so it defaults to 800x600. I had to make an xorg.conf file to get my Mythbox to display at 1280x720 over component, but since you have s-video I think the best you may get is 1024x768 as the cable will not handle more. -- no .sig found Please restart your browser. From kubuntu-users at whamra.com Tue Feb 28 16:47:17 2012 From: kubuntu-users at whamra.com (Waleed Hamra) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:47:17 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu screen 800x600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F4D0515.6080204@whamra.com> On 28/02/12 18:02, Henny de Graaf wrote: > > Dear Kubuntu users, > > Since a while i use Kubuntu and i like it, but one thing. > My pc is connected with a s-video to my tv via a Asus Radeon 9250 videocard and the only resolution is 800x600. > I would like to have more resolutions, anybody got tips? > Searched with Google but that's a problem for me right now. > > Dennis > > > i'm no expert in ATI cards, but i believe you need to have the proprietary fglrx driver. do you have it? if not, ensure the proprietary repo is enabled, and use the jockey-kde program to install it -- Waleed K. 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Jesse From fatgerman at gmail.com Wed Feb 29 18:46:40 2012 From: fatgerman at gmail.com (Mark Greenwood) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:46:40 +0000 Subject: [11.10]-Rhythmbox Music Player Missing Icon Images? In-Reply-To: <4F4E6F48.3090107@GMail.com> References: <4F4E6F48.3090107@GMail.com> Message-ID: <4E37AFB4-FCDA-4126-AB8C-54FBDE5C0772@gmail.com> Rhythmbox is a GNOME app, so it's probably looking for GNOME icons. You could try installing the gnome-icon-theme package and see if that helps. If you're using a KDE icon set that you have installed yourself then you need to symlink it. I can't remember offhand where KDE installs its icon sets to (~/.kde/share/icons for ones you download from System Settings, or /usr/share/somewhere for ones installed from packages.) You need to symlink the directory into ~/.icons. That might help if installing the above package doesn't. Mark On 29 Feb 2012, at 18:32, Jesse Palser wrote: > [11.10]-Rhythmbox Music Player Missing Icon Images? > > Hi, > > I am running kubuntu 11.10. > > I installed Rhythmbox music player and it works, > but some of its icons are missing images. > (repeat and shuffle) > > Do I need to install something else to get these icon images? > (Rhythmbox works otherwise) > > Thanks! > > Jesse > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com Wed Feb 29 19:33:39 2012 From: jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:33:39 -0500 Subject: [11.10]-Rhythmbox Music Player Missing Icon Images? In-Reply-To: <4E37AFB4-FCDA-4126-AB8C-54FBDE5C0772@gmail.com> References: <4F4E6F48.3090107@GMail.com> <4E37AFB4-FCDA-4126-AB8C-54FBDE5C0772@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F4E7D93.6090709@GMail.com> That worked, thank you! On 02/29/2012 01:46 PM, Mark Greenwood wrote: > Rhythmbox is a GNOME app, so it's probably looking for GNOME icons. You could try installing the gnome-icon-theme package and see if that helps. > > If you're using a KDE icon set that you have installed yourself then you need to symlink it. I can't remember offhand where KDE installs its icon sets to (~/.kde/share/icons for ones you download from System Settings, or /usr/share/somewhere for ones installed from packages.) You need to symlink the directory into ~/.icons. That might help if installing the above package doesn't. > > Mark > > > On 29 Feb 2012, at 18:32, Jesse Palser wrote: > >> [11.10]-Rhythmbox Music Player Missing Icon Images? >> >> Hi, >> >> I am running kubuntu 11.10. >> >> I installed Rhythmbox music player and it works, >> but some of its icons are missing images. >> (repeat and shuffle) >> >> Do I need to install something else to get these icon images? >> (Rhythmbox works otherwise) >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jesse >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >