5 years of support..!!??

[Leslie Anne Chatterton]

Hi James,

Good and helpful debate. I don't use any email client, (all webmail),
except on my Android phone and tablet, so I missed the Kmail issue. Sorry!

Leslie Anne

Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet
On Mar 5, 2012 2:33 AM, "James Cain" <james.cain.25 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Leslie Anne Chatterton <lahc2007 at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> Well I guess Kubuntu isn't for everyone and we need to hear
>> experiences like yours to bring us back to reality. I think there are
>> probably lots of Windows and Mac users who have had similarly
>> frustrating experiences but don't want to speak up and appear like
>> dummies. Linux will become mainstream only when it offers a
>> "foolproof" edition that is unbreakable, as well as the tinkerer's
>> versions that most of us now enjoy.
>>
>
>
> Good point in pointing out that we need brought back to reality now and
> again :)
> However, 3 key points here that we free software users occasionally need
> reminded of:
>
>
>    - Kubuntu is developed (99%) by volunteers. For those who rant and
>    rave about how nothing works, if you can't donate to the KDE e.V., help the
>    community, or at least report bugs (if not triage them), what gives you the
>    right to complain at all?
>    - Every version of Linux is expected to work on all hardware. As I
>    read though this thread I sit here in amazement that Kubuntu does work on
>    as much hardware as it does. Keep in mind we hear the negative on the
>    Internet 90 percent of the time. Most users are happy, I tend to believe,
>    due to the fact that we don't hear from them. In this thread alone we have
>    people running Kubuntu from the version 6.04 days all the way to 11.10.
>    Wow! That's a long time. If you want to know if your hardware will work on
>    a given distro, use some tools out there such as Ubuntu Friendly<https://friendly.ubuntu.com/>.
>    There are others as well.
>    - Kubuntu, and Linux in general, are expected to work on all hardware
>    (EVEN MACS!!). Microsoft has an OEM program whereby all hardware is tested
>    and approved by MS. The drivers are written according to MS specs. Open
>    Source drivers are afterthoughts for most companies, if they exist at all.
>    Similarly, and even more stringent, Apple uses it's own hardware only. So
>    of course it works out of the box. They designed it! If you really want a
>    fair comparison OOTB, maybe support one of the many vendors out there who
>    design and build Linux computers, such as System 76. There are many others
>    as well.
>
> What would happen if one were to try and install Win 7 or 8 on a laptop
> that originally came with Win 2000 or XP? Would it work? Doubtful. Would it
> give a good over-all computing experience? Most definitely not.
> So again I iterate that it's amazing it works as well as it does. But we
> all need to be somewhat realistic. And we all need pitch in and give back
> in some way (conversing on this list counts! :) ). And knowledge of command
> lines or programming isn't necessary.
>
>
>>
>> Probably for most people on this list the fun of Linux is in solving
>> problems, which are the exact reason why "ordinary" users such as
>> yourself want to scream with frustration! Use what works for you.
>>
>>
> I agree 100 pct. No OS is right for everyone. Having said that, I've
> installed Kubuntu 11.10 on about 25 PC's and 11 laptops. Outside of the
> occasional Wireless light not working, I've had no issues. To be fair, I've
> found some really cheap (read: around $10) USB wireless nics that I know
> work OOTB, so I tend to just buy those to be safe.
>
>
>
>> Leslie Anne
>>
>>
> PS - as for the one legit rant on here, KMail, it's coming along nicely in
> newer versions I'm told. The KDE PIM Team is admittedly under-staffed and
> could use help, but the newest versions are quite usable, I'm told. But
> again, the whole KMail argument is lame. Millions of Windows users prefer
> Thunderbird over MS's free Outlook Express. Does that mean they should not
> use an entire OS (Windows) because they do not like the built in EMail app
> that comes with it? That's absurd. But here we have people willing to go
> pay for an alternate OS because they do not like KMail. A quick Google
> search found 5 alternatives in the 1st search, all of which are in the
> wonderful Ubuntu Repositories...
>
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