From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Tue Oct 1 01:30:23 2013 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 21:30:23 -0400 Subject: Urgent advise needed. Only guest profile accesible, my own profile not. (OT) In-Reply-To: <524a058c.085ee00a.2c48.ffffa35c@mx.google.com> References: <524a058c.085ee00a.2c48.ffffa35c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1889792.514lFcIRKB@kirk> This reply should be used as an example of the absolutely best and correct way of answering an ongoing question on a help channel. Excellent work Little Girl. [bows to your superior help skills] -- Alan On Monday, September 30, 2013 7:13:16 PM Little Girl wrote: > Hey there, > > Bas Roufs wrote: > > > Hello Everybody, this evening, I have consulted the advises in > > thread and at 'Ask Ubuntu'. This is the page I have consulted from > > 'Ask Ubuntu': > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/175739/how-do-i-remount-a-filesystem-as-read-write > > By doing so, I DID manage to remount the file system and to rename > > the .kde directory in /home/bas. Then, I have rebooted the system. > > Afterwords, I tried to login again into /home/bas in the 'normal' > > way. However, I still have exactly the same problem. After logging > > in, I come back at the same point where I got stuck yesterday. At a > > certain moment, the cursor is unmovable and the system is totally > > stuck. > > What is that moment? What is happening right before that? Is there a > system notification or is there a program you are launching that > causes it, or does it just happen if you wait a certain amount of > time after booting the computer? If it just happens after a certain > amount of time, does it always happen in the same amount of time? > > > So, I am still stuck. What to do next? > > You've now gotten advice from several people/sources, so it's > possible a step was overlooked or done differently than intended. > Please don't be offended at the repeat of the instructions, but I'm > pasting step by step instructions the way I would write them for > myself if I had to do what you're doing. That way you can go through > them and double-check whether you missed any or did something > differently. Also, this gives anyone else who is reading along a > chance to look them over and correct any that are wrong: > > ==================== > > 1) Press and hold the Shift key during boot-up right after your BIOS message is displayed to get the GRUB menu to open. > > 2) Use the arrow keys to select your kernel’s recovery mode. > > The Recovery Menu will open. > > 3) Use your arrow keys to highlight the line that says: > > root drop to root shell prompt > > 4) Press the Enter key to get to a root shell prompt. > > 5) Type this command to initialize your home directory: > > cd > > 6) Press the Enter key. > > 7) Type this command to go to your home directory, replacing username with your user name: > > 8) cd /home/username > > 9) Press the Enter key. > > 10) Type this command to give yourself read/write access: > > mount -o remount,rw / > > 11) Press the Enter key. > > 12) Type this command to rename the hidden .kde directory to .kde.old: > > mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old > > 13) Press the Enter key. > > 14) Type this command to leave recovery mode: > > exit > > 15) Press the Enter key. > > 16) Choose resume from the Recovery Menu. > > 17) Press the Enter key while the OK button is highlighted. > > 18) Log in to your operating system normally. > > ==================== > > If you decide to try going through the steps again and you see any > odd behavior or get any messages from the system when following any > of the steps, please make a note of them or copy and paste them in > here. > > ==================== > > Last, but not least, if you have time before the system freezes, you > can open the KSystemLog application (in the System menu) and look > through your logs to see if there are any clues to what's causing > this. > > You mentioned that you can log in as a guest user without any > problems. I'm not sure if you can access the same logs from a guest > account. Maybe someone who knows could jump in and let us know how > that's done. (: > > From kassube at gmx.net Tue Oct 1 06:15:05 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:15:05 +0200 Subject: Urgent advise needed. Only guest profile accesible, my own profile not. In-Reply-To: <5249f64e.0249310a.6982.6b3f@mx.google.com> References: <14847011.duYIlg5hPP@p5915> <5249f64e.0249310a.6982.6b3f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <49309937.IEeltO154K@p5915> Little Girl wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: > > mount -oremount,rw / > > When I do this command, I put a space after the o, like this: > > mount -o remount,rw / > > I'm not sure if it matters, but if it does, the original poster might > want to try it. (: Well, many applications don't care if there is a space between the option and its parameters. The mount command is one of those many applications, so here it doesn't matter. But it is of course safe to use the extra space like it is described in the man page. Nils From basroufs at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 10:41:42 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 12:41:42 +0200 Subject: Urgent advise needed. Only guest profile accessible, my own profile not. SOLVED! Message-ID: Hello Little Girl, Nils and Everybody, thanks, Little Girl for your really clear instructions; they have enabled me to slove the problem and to access again my laptop. Thanks, Nils & Everybody for your input. One little difference: I have used 'Midnight Commander' to rename the old version of /home/.kde. I have decided not to try to import the old user settings - I can access my recent work now and I back that up today :-). Have a good day! Respectfullly yours, Bas. 2013/10/1 Little Girl > Hey there, > > Bas Roufs wrote: > > > Hello Everybody, this evening, I have consulted the advises in > > thread and at 'Ask Ubuntu'. This is the page I have consulted from > > 'Ask Ubuntu': > > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/175739/how-do-i-remount-a-filesystem-as-read-write > > By doing so, I DID manage to remount the file system and to rename > > the .kde directory in /home/bas. Then, I have rebooted the system. > > Afterwords, I tried to login again into /home/bas in the 'normal' > > way. However, I still have exactly the same problem. After logging > > in, I come back at the same point where I got stuck yesterday. At a > > certain moment, the cursor is unmovable and the system is totally > > stuck. > > What is that moment? What is happening right before that? Is there a > system notification or is there a program you are launching that > causes it, or does it just happen if you wait a certain amount of > time after booting the computer? If it just happens after a certain > amount of time, does it always happen in the same amount of time? > > > So, I am still stuck. What to do next? > > You've now gotten advice from several people/sources, so it's > possible a step was overlooked or done differently than intended. > Please don't be offended at the repeat of the instructions, but I'm > pasting step by step instructions the way I would write them for > myself if I had to do what you're doing. That way you can go through > them and double-check whether you missed any or did something > differently. Also, this gives anyone else who is reading along a > chance to look them over and correct any that are wrong: > > ==================== > > 1) Press and hold the Shift key during boot-up right after your BIOS > message is displayed to get the GRUB menu to open. > > 2) Use the arrow keys to select your kernel’s recovery mode. > > The Recovery Menu will open. > > 3) Use your arrow keys to highlight the line that says: > > root drop to root shell prompt > > 4) Press the Enter key to get to a root shell prompt. > > 5) Type this command to initialize your home directory: > > cd > > 6) Press the Enter key. > > 7) Type this command to go to your home directory, replacing username with > your user name: > > 8) cd /home/username > > 9) Press the Enter key. > > 10) Type this command to give yourself read/write access: > > mount -o remount,rw / > > 11) Press the Enter key. > > 12) Type this command to rename the hidden .kde directory to .kde.old: > > mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old > > 13) Press the Enter key. > > 14) Type this command to leave recovery mode: > > exit > > 15) Press the Enter key. > > 16) Choose resume from the Recovery Menu. > > 17) Press the Enter key while the OK button is highlighted. > > 18) Log in to your operating system normally. > > ==================== > > If you decide to try going through the steps again and you see any > odd behavior or get any messages from the system when following any > of the steps, please make a note of them or copy and paste them in > here. > > ==================== > > Last, but not least, if you have time before the system freezes, you > can open the KSystemLog application (in the System menu) and look > through your logs to see if there are any clues to what's causing > this. > > You mentioned that you can log in as a guest user without any > problems. I'm not sure if you can access the same logs from a guest > account. Maybe someone who knows could jump in and let us know how > that's done. (: > > -- > Little Girl > > There is no spoon. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From littlergirl at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 18:20:28 2013 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:20:28 -0400 Subject: Urgent advise needed. Only guest profile accessible, my own profile not. SOLVED! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524b126d.c225310a.1049.2c93@mx.google.com> Hey there, Bas Roufs wrote: > Hello Little Girl, Nils and Everybody, > thanks, Little Girl for your really clear instructions; they have > enabled me to slove the problem and to access again my laptop. I'm so glad to hear it! It's always good to hear about a happy ending! > I have decided not to try to import the old user settings - I can > access my recent work now and I back that up today :-). That's probably a good idea. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From littlergirl at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 18:21:47 2013 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:21:47 -0400 Subject: Urgent advise needed. Only guest profile accesible, my own profile not. In-Reply-To: <49309937.IEeltO154K@p5915> References: <14847011.duYIlg5hPP@p5915> <5249f64e.0249310a.6982.6b3f@mx.google.com> <49309937.IEeltO154K@p5915> Message-ID: <524b12bc.8818310a.0718.3444@mx.google.com> Hey there, Nils Kassube wrote: > Little Girl wrote: > > Nils Kassube wrote: > > > mount -oremount,rw / > > When I do this command, I put a space after the o, like this: > > mount -o remount,rw / > > I'm not sure if it matters, but if it does, the original poster > > might want to try it. (: > Well, many applications don't care if there is a space between the > option and its parameters. The mount command is one of those many > applications, so here it doesn't matter. But it is of course safe > to use the extra space like it is described in the man page. Thanks! I had no idea. I'm still learning after all these years of fiddling around at the command line. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Oct 1 19:27:33 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:27:33 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Final Beta released In-Reply-To: <1575135.jpm2R0YTYd@linux1> References: <20130927092632.GD4874@0c3.net> <1575135.jpm2R0YTYd@linux1> Message-ID: <1781884.ETGxZoGf3k@linux1> On Monday, September 30, 2013 11:54:46 AM Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:26:32 PM Adam Conrad wrote: > > The Ubuntu team is pleased to announce the final beta release of Ubuntu > > 13.10 Desktop, Server, Cloud, and Core products. > > I have to say.... I've installed the Kubuntu 13.10 beta 2 on two machines > so far and it has been the BEST/EASIEST installation I have seen in many > years. > > No problems whatsoever with the install process, something that usually took > me 5 or 6 tries to get by the Ubiquity crashes... > > Bravo! (replying to myself) I spoke a bit too soon.... Tried to install the Beta 2 on an AMD64 machine and had one installer crash (the usual) during manual partitioning. Once I got by that, I got 90% into the install and got an error essentially saying that a file it was copying got chopped off. And the install quit. This, also as usual, left my machine in an un-bootable state but doing the usual 'rescue' tricks of re-installing grub got me back to 13.04 I think I'll wait awhile before downloading another ISO image. "Even if you are on the right track," "you'll get run over if you just sit there." From david at lang.hm Wed Oct 2 14:14:02 2013 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 07:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: experimenting with kubuntu 13.10, task manager problem Message-ID: with 13.10 the color scheme for the panel has changed to a black background, unforuntnatly the text for the task manager widget is black text, with a white outline on a black background. this is pretty close to unreadable. I have not been able to spot where I can change this. I'm on a T-61 thinkpad with nvidia video (I know, I don't like that this has nvidia either) David Lang From kassube at gmx.net Wed Oct 2 15:14:57 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 17:14:57 +0200 Subject: experimenting with kubuntu 13.10, task manager problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3626420.sryH2WFyV4@p5915> David Lang wrote: > with 13.10 the color scheme for the panel has changed to a black > background, unforuntnatly the text for the task manager widget is > black text, with a white outline on a black background. this is > pretty close to unreadable. I have not been able to spot where I can > change this. I think you could change the colours at "System Settings" -> "Workspace Settings" -> "Desktop Theme". Either you select a different theme or you could change a specific setting at the "Details" tab. Nils From volkangezer at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 14:23:38 2013 From: volkangezer at gmail.com (Volkan Gezer) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:23:38 +0200 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? Message-ID: Hi all, Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this will be more than enough :). Thanks, Best regards, Volkan GEZER volkangezer at gmail.com From kaj at haulrich.net Thu Oct 3 15:00:09 2013 From: kaj at haulrich.net (Kaj Haulrich) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:00:09 +0200 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524D8679.1070008@haulrich.net> On 10/03/2013 04:23 PM, Volkan Gezer wrote: > Hi all, > > Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart > services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has > an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this > will be more than enough :). Don't you mean: System Settings --> Startup and Shutdown --> Service Manager ? Kaj Haulrich. -- --- Sent from a 100% Microsoft-free computer--- --------- Running Linux Kubuntu 13.10 --------- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 15:09:59 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:09:59 +0200 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: <524D8679.1070008@haulrich.net> References: <524D8679.1070008@haulrich.net> Message-ID: <524D88C7.3020205@gmail.com> On 03/10/2013 17:00, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On 10/03/2013 04:23 PM, Volkan Gezer wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart >> services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has >> an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this >> will be more than enough :). > > Don't you mean: > > System Settings --> Startup and Shutdown --> Service Manager ? > No, that one is woefully inadequate if you ask me. I do have (very) vague memories of a software like the one asked for but sadly can not remember what it was called or where to find it From volkangezer at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 15:31:08 2013 From: volkangezer at gmail.com (Volkan Gezer) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:31:08 +0200 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: <524D88C7.3020205@gmail.com> References: <524D8679.1070008@haulrich.net> <524D88C7.3020205@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2013/10/3 O. Sinclair : > On 03/10/2013 17:00, Kaj Haulrich wrote: >> >> On 10/03/2013 04:23 PM, Volkan Gezer wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart >>> services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has >>> an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this >>> will be more than enough :). >> >> >> Don't you mean: >> >> System Settings --> Startup and Shutdown --> Service Manager ? >> No unfortunately it's not that one. This one lists some of available services but not the services installed after :/. > No, that one is woefully inadequate if you ask me. I do have (very) vague > memories of a software like the one asked for but sadly can not remember > what it was called or where to find it > What about a function to enable/disable services? Or what steps do you follow when you need to do this for a specific service? > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Oct 3 15:32:19 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:32:19 -0400 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: <524D88C7.3020205@gmail.com> References: <524D8679.1070008@haulrich.net> <524D88C7.3020205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1841307.k4RTxCGJpO@linux1> On Thursday, October 03, 2013 05:09:59 PM O. Sinclair wrote: > On 03/10/2013 17:00, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > On 10/03/2013 04:23 PM, Volkan Gezer wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart > >> services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has > >> an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this > >> will be more than enough :). > > > > Don't you mean: > > > > System Settings --> Startup and Shutdown --> Service Manager ? > > No, that one is woefully inadequate if you ask me. I do have (very) > vague memories of a software like the one asked for but sadly can not > remember what it was called or where to find it There is a SERVICE command... service networking start/stop/restart as well as using: /etc/init.d/networking start/stop/restart I will admit they are not all that well documented, but I think you will find what you need. I think there are also START and STOP commands... Seems like they should stick with one set of commands and simplify. "The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest." From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Thu Oct 3 18:31:14 2013 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles Bell) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:31:14 -0400 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: <1841307.k4RTxCGJpO@linux1> References: <524D8679.1070008@haulrich.net> <524D88C7.3020205@gmail.com> <1841307.k4RTxCGJpO@linux1> Message-ID: <524DB7F2.4090102@cfl.rr.com> On 10/03/2013 11:32 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Thursday, October 03, 2013 05:09:59 PM O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 03/10/2013 17:00, Kaj Haulrich wrote: >>> On 10/03/2013 04:23 PM, Volkan Gezer wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart >>>> services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has >>>> an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this >>>> will be more than enough :). >>> Don't you mean: >>> >>> System Settings --> Startup and Shutdown --> Service Manager ? >> No, that one is woefully inadequate if you ask me. I do have (very) >> vague memories of a software like the one asked for but sadly can not >> remember what it was called or where to find it > There is a SERVICE command... service networking start/stop/restart > > as well as using: /etc/init.d/networking start/stop/restart > > I will admit they are not all that well documented, but I think you will find > what you need. > > I think there are also START and STOP commands... > > Seems like they should stick with one set of commands and simplify. > > > > > "The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest." > > man -k stop gives "start-stop-daemon" Is that what you are looking for? Tom Bell -- "Only when the last tree has been felled, the last river poisoned and the last fish caught, man will know, that he cannot eat money." -- Cree Indian saying From marcelo-sales at ig.com.br Thu Oct 3 22:13:06 2013 From: marcelo-sales at ig.com.br (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 19:13:06 -0300 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2814758.Si5q0t3Hc5@home-01> Em quinta-feira, 03 de outubro de 2013, às 16:23:38, Volkan Gezer escreveu: > Hi all, > > Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart > services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has > an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this > will be more than enough :). Try bum (Boot-Up Manager). I think it does exactly what you want and is a GUI tool. []'s Marcelo From volkangezer at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 15:31:26 2013 From: volkangezer at gmail.com (Volkan Gezer) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 17:31:26 +0200 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: <2814758.Si5q0t3Hc5@home-01> References: <2814758.Si5q0t3Hc5@home-01> Message-ID: @Bruce >There is a SERVICE command... service networking start/stop/restart This helped. Thanks. I've noted this. Also BUM (suggestion by Marcelo) solved the problem. 2013/10/4 Marcelo Magno T. Sales : > Em quinta-feira, 03 de outubro de 2013, às 16:23:38, Volkan Gezer escreveu: >> Hi all, >> >> Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart >> services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has >> an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this >> will be more than enough :). > > Try bum (Boot-Up Manager). I think it does exactly what you want and is a GUI > tool. Yes, exactly! Thanks. > > []'s > Marcelo > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Oct 4 20:16:28 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:16:28 -0400 Subject: 13.10 KMAIL Problem Message-ID: <1514005.VEqYbcdkas@linux1> Anyone running 13.10 and having Kmail problems? Kmail runs fine for me on 13.04 but when I switch to 13.10, all I get are "Retrieving Folder Contents" messages and I can't read any emails.... I guess maybe it's time to rebuild my entire Kmail setup since it has slowly been dying for the past 6 releases... (ever since switching to Kmail2) I haven't been able to search emails in about 3 years... A sorely missed function. From littlergirl at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 05:03:58 2013 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 01:03:58 -0400 Subject: 13.10 KMAIL Problem In-Reply-To: <1514005.VEqYbcdkas@linux1> References: <1514005.VEqYbcdkas@linux1> Message-ID: <524f9dbf.8742e00a.16fe.ffffb4a6@mx.google.com> Hey there, Bruce Marshall wrote: > Anyone running 13.10 and having Kmail problems? Kmail runs fine > for me on 13.04 but when I switch to 13.10, all I get are > "Retrieving Folder Contents" messages and I can't read any > emails.... I don't use Kmail, so I've got no idea. ): > I guess maybe it's time to rebuild my entire Kmail setup since it > has slowly been dying for the past 6 releases... (ever since > switching to Kmail2) I haven't been able to search emails in about > 3 years... A sorely missed function. If this is still an issue, a work-around is to open a terminal window in the main directory where Kmail stores your messages and do a search of the contents of the messages like this: grep -r "MY SEARCH WORD OR PHRASE" * This will search all files in the current directory and all its subdirectories for your search word or phrase. You can then view the messages in a text editor. Like I said, it's a work-around rather than a fix, but it's better than nothing, and some of us prefer it since it's lightning fast, fun, and doesn't involve figuring out sometimes clunky GUI interfaces. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 5 17:38:08 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 13:38:08 -0400 Subject: 13.10 KMAIL Problem In-Reply-To: <524f9dbf.8742e00a.16fe.ffffb4a6@mx.google.com> References: <1514005.VEqYbcdkas@linux1> <524f9dbf.8742e00a.16fe.ffffb4a6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8527813.RQdYlhQPMc@linux1> On Saturday, October 05, 2013 01:03:58 AM Little Girl wrote: > Hey there, > > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > Anyone running 13.10 and having Kmail problems? Kmail runs fine > > for me on 13.04 but when I switch to 13.10, all I get are > > "Retrieving Folder Contents" messages and I can't read any > > emails.... > > I don't use Kmail, so I've got no idea. ): > > I guess maybe it's time to rebuild my entire Kmail setup since it > > has slowly been dying for the past 6 releases... (ever since > > switching to Kmail2) I haven't been able to search emails in about > > 3 years... A sorely missed function. > > If this is still an issue, a work-around is to open a terminal window > in the main directory where Kmail stores your messages and do a search > of the contents of the messages like this: > Been there, done that.... Don't bother anymore. Thanks for the tip but searching is not my major problem. I've been using KMAIL2 since I was forced into it around 9.10 (I think) and it has at least done 90% of its functions since then. But now it refuses to show ANY mail... just sits there "retrieving folder contents." > grep -r "MY SEARCH WORD OR PHRASE" * > > This will search all files in the current directory and all its > subdirectories for your search word or phrase. You can then view the > messages in a text editor. > > Like I said, it's a work-around rather than a fix, but it's better > than nothing, and some of us prefer it since it's lightning fast, > fun, and doesn't involve figuring out sometimes clunky GUI interfaces. > (: -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh at bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 10/05/13 13:36 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 32. Your job won't take care of you when you are sick. Your friends will. Stay in touch. - - Life's 50 Lessons From littlergirl at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 17:57:57 2013 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 13:57:57 -0400 Subject: 13.10 KMAIL Problem In-Reply-To: <8527813.RQdYlhQPMc@linux1> References: <1514005.VEqYbcdkas@linux1> <524f9dbf.8742e00a.16fe.ffffb4a6@mx.google.com> <8527813.RQdYlhQPMc@linux1> Message-ID: <52505326.c460e00a.6c33.47cf@mx.google.com> Hey there, Bruce Marshall wrote: > Little Girl wrote: > > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > > Anyone running 13.10 and having Kmail problems? Kmail runs > > > fine for me on 13.04 but when I switch to 13.10, all I get are > > > "Retrieving Folder Contents" messages and I can't read any > > > emails.... > > > > I don't use Kmail, so I've got no idea. ): > > > > > I guess maybe it's time to rebuild my entire Kmail setup since > > > it has slowly been dying for the past 6 releases... (ever since > > > switching to Kmail2) I haven't been able to search emails in > > > about 3 years... A sorely missed function. > > > > If this is still an issue, a work-around is to open a terminal > > window in the main directory where Kmail stores your messages and > > do a search of the contents of the messages like this: > Been there, done that.... Don't bother anymore. Thanks for the > tip but searching is not my major problem. I've been using KMAIL2 > since I was forced into it around 9.10 (I think) and it has at > least done 90% of its functions since then. But now it refuses to > show ANY mail... just sits there "retrieving folder contents." Sorry about that! Is http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=111258 of any use? It seems recent. A Google search for kmail retrieving folder contents turns up quite a few similar reports, but they look to be from quite a while ago, so they may not be useful - especially since some of them claim to have been solved, yet you're currently seeing the behavior. -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 10:31:33 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 12:31:33 +0200 Subject: 13.10 KMAIL Problem In-Reply-To: <52505326.c460e00a.6c33.47cf@mx.google.com> References: <1514005.VEqYbcdkas@linux1> <524f9dbf.8742e00a.16fe.ffffb4a6@mx.google.com> <8527813.RQdYlhQPMc@linux1> <52505326.c460e00a.6c33.47cf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <52513C05.50600@gmail.com> On 05/10/2013 19:57, Little Girl wrote: > Hey there, > > Bruce Marshall wrote: >> Little Girl wrote: >>> Bruce Marshall wrote: > >>>> Anyone running 13.10 and having Kmail problems? Kmail runs >>>> fine for me on 13.04 but when I switch to 13.10, all I get are >>>> "Retrieving Folder Contents" messages and I can't read any >>>> emails.... >>> >>> I don't use Kmail, so I've got no idea. ): >>> >>>> I guess maybe it's time to rebuild my entire Kmail setup since >>>> it has slowly been dying for the past 6 releases... (ever since >>>> switching to Kmail2) I haven't been able to search emails in >>>> about 3 years... A sorely missed function. >>> >>> If this is still an issue, a work-around is to open a terminal >>> window in the main directory where Kmail stores your messages and >>> do a search of the contents of the messages like this: > >> Been there, done that.... Don't bother anymore. Thanks for the >> tip but searching is not my major problem. I've been using KMAIL2 >> since I was forced into it around 9.10 (I think) and it has at >> least done 90% of its functions since then. But now it refuses to >> show ANY mail... just sits there "retrieving folder contents." > > Sorry about that! Is > http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=111258 of any use? It > seems recent. > > A Google search for kmail retrieving folder contents turns up quite a > few similar reports, but they look to be from quite a while ago, so > they may not be useful - especially since some of them claim to have > been solved, yet you're currently seeing the behavior. > One major (in my opinion) problem is that is so much a "work in progress" that the documentation is sadly outdated. And I would say in many cases non-existing even on the developers level. I would actually wish the KMail, Akonadi and Nepomuk devs would agree on "freeze" and spend time just documenting. they might even be surprised to find that it would aid them a lot. For all I know the Nepomuk main devs do not use KMail.. wonderful. From littlergirl at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 23:38:44 2013 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 19:38:44 -0400 Subject: 13.10 KMAIL Problem In-Reply-To: <52513C05.50600@gmail.com> References: <1514005.VEqYbcdkas@linux1> <524f9dbf.8742e00a.16fe.ffffb4a6@mx.google.com> <8527813.RQdYlhQPMc@linux1> <52505326.c460e00a.6c33.47cf@mx.google.com> <52513C05.50600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5251f485.c402e00a.3c86.727f@mx.google.com> Hey there, O. Sinclair wrote: > One major (in my opinion) problem is that is so much a "work in > progress" that the documentation is sadly outdated. And I would say > in many cases non-existing even on the developers level. That's a common problem pretty much everywhere, because documentation is tough to stay on top of. At least KMail is in good company with a whole lot of other software. (: > I would actually wish the KMail, Akonadi and Nepomuk devs would > agree on "freeze" and spend time just documenting. they might even > be surprised to find that it would aid them a lot. For all I know > the Nepomuk main devs do not use KMail.. wonderful. Have you checked the http://userbase.kde.org/KMail page? It links to the http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips page, which seems to go into a lot of detail on a bunch of things. -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From gkourtev at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 05:50:11 2013 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 08:50:11 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? Message-ID: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> Hello, Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by the OEM (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) what would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is on the laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or experience is appreciated. Thanks, gk From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 8 06:10:19 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 08:10:19 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> On 08/10/13 07:50, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Hello, > > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by the OEM > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) what > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is on the > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or > experience is appreciated. > > Thanks, > gk > Hey Georgi, There is no difference other then the initially installed packages. Use muon or muon-packages to install KDE in Ubuntu. Before you logon you can change the window manager, any time you want to switch. Prolly an option on your logon screen. I currently run Fedora with gnome, KDE, mate and cinemon installed. I got tired of the KDE problems with Nepomuk hogging the cpu, and gnome with their new user interface that I find lacking (soz guys). So I mainly use mate at the moment. Once in a while I check whether the problems went away. So you can switch back and forth between window managers. hope this helps. Guus. From myriam at kde.org Tue Oct 8 06:44:09 2013 From: myriam at kde.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 08:44:09 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:10 AM, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 08/10/13 07:50, Georgi Kourtev wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by the >> OEM >> (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) what >> would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is on >> the >> laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or >> experience is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> gk >> > Hey Georgi, > > There is no difference other then the initially installed packages. > Use muon or muon-packages to install KDE in Ubuntu. Caveat: since the installation is Ubuntu, muon is not installed as it is part of the KDE packages. synaptic as a package manager should work, though Regards, Myriam -- Proud member of the Amarok and KDE Community Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 07:57:59 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 09:57:59 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5253BB07.7070105@gmail.com> On 08/10/2013 08:10, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 08/10/13 07:50, Georgi Kourtev wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by >> the OEM >> (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) what >> would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is >> on the >> laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or >> experience is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> gk >> > Hey Georgi, > > There is no difference other then the initially installed packages. > Use muon or muon-packages to install KDE in Ubuntu. > > Before you logon you can change the window manager, any time you want to > switch. Prolly an option on your logon screen. > > I currently run Fedora with gnome, KDE, mate and cinemon installed. I > got tired of the KDE problems with Nepomuk hogging the cpu, and gnome > with their new user interface that I find lacking (soz guys). So I > mainly use mate at the moment. Once in a while I check whether the > problems went away. So you can switch back and forth between window > managers. > Dont you get rather messy menu system this way with a "mad mixture" of gnome and KDE applications? I would opt for Kubuntu clean and add whatever repos and software that Dell might have added. Regards Sinclair From gkourtev at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 08:08:17 2013 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:08:17 +0300 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <60068700.bBdZaCjIXy@gkourtev-laptop> On Tuesday 08 October 2013 08:44:09 Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:10 AM, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > > On 08/10/13 07:50, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by the > >> > >> OEM > >> (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) what > >> would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is on > >> the > >> laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or > >> experience is appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> gk > > > > Hey Georgi, > > > > There is no difference other then the initially installed packages. > > Use muon or muon-packages to install KDE in Ubuntu. > > Caveat: since the installation is Ubuntu, muon is not installed as it > is part of the KDE packages. > synaptic as a package manager should work, though > > > Regards, Myriam That is what worries me. I use only KDE and none of other interfaces attracted me. I tried Debian with KDE and noticed that many of the programs are not installed and the Gnome ones are kept as default. gk From chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 8 09:19:05 2013 From: chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk (Chris Luck) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 10:19:05 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5253BB07.7070105@gmail.com> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> <5253BB07.7070105@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 08/10/13 08:57, O. Sinclair wrote: > Dont you get rather messy menu system this way with a "mad mixture" > of gnome and KDE applications? You do indeed. You also have to be extremely careful when opening a graphics program with root permissions. If you use gksu where you should use kdesu you can foul-up the permissions and leave a program unusable until you've figured out what went wrong and how to fix it. > I would opt for Kubuntu clean and add whatever repos and software > that Dell might have added. +1 -- Regards, Chris Luck From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 8 09:37:09 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:37:09 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> <5253BB07.7070105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5253D245.2000108@xs4all.nl> On 08/10/13 11:19, Chris Luck wrote: > On 08/10/13 08:57, O. Sinclair wrote: >> Dont you get rather messy menu system this way with a "mad mixture" >> of gnome and KDE applications? > > You do indeed. You also have to be extremely careful when opening a > graphics program with root permissions. If you use gksu where you > should use kdesu you can foul-up the permissions and leave a program > unusable until you've figured out what went wrong and how to fix it. Never had this problem. If you start a program from CLI, then I would use sudo (either switch to root with "sudo -s" or use sudo directly. If you start from menu, the KDE or GNOME install procedure put in the right sudo (gksu or kdesu). Could you explain how you would come to use the wrong one? > >> I would opt for Kubuntu clean and add whatever repos and software >> that Dell might have added. > > +1 > I am not sure I agree, as I have been using gnome and kde beside each other for a long, without the problems described above. Guus. From girardhenri at free.fr Tue Oct 8 09:59:45 2013 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:59:45 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5253D245.2000108@xs4all.nl> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> <5253BB07.7070105@gmail.com> <5253D245.2000108@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5253D791.20200@free.fr> Le 08/10/2013 11:37, A.J. Bonnema a écrit : > On 08/10/13 11:19, Chris Luck wrote: >> On 08/10/13 08:57, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> Dont you get rather messy menu system this way with a "mad mixture" >>> of gnome and KDE applications? >> >> You do indeed. You also have to be extremely careful when opening a >> graphics program with root permissions. If you use gksu where you >> should use kdesu you can foul-up the permissions and leave a program >> unusable until you've figured out what went wrong and how to fix it. > > Never had this problem. If you start a program from CLI, then I would > use sudo (either switch to root with "sudo -s" or use sudo directly. > If you start from menu, the KDE or GNOME install procedure put in the > right sudo (gksu or kdesu). > > Could you explain how you would come to use the wrong one? > >> >>> I would opt for Kubuntu clean and add whatever repos and software >>> that Dell might have added. >> >> +1 >> > I am not sure I agree, as I have been using gnome and kde beside each > other for a long, without the problems described above. > > Guus. > > I use both for a long time now, but if you don't need too keep the old version you have, wait for 17 october and upgrade to saucy (maybe make a clean new install try with a livecd to see if you have all drivers )! I am working for it for few months now. The only problem is maxima in texmacs. I prefer synaptic as manager. I think I have last kde version. Henri From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Oct 8 10:41:44 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:41:44 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <5253E168.8040102@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-08 08:50 (GMT+0300) Georgi Kourtev composed: > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by the OEM > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) what > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is on the > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or > experience is appreciated. The underlying system is the same. The difference is in the GUI software installed. I'd start by following the instructions on these pages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FromUbuntuToKubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE This procedure may leave behind some Dell-specific stuff that might be helpful WRT support. It might be good to leave behind some of the basic the Gnome stuff in order to allow the Dell stuff to work. Another option would be a fresh install alongside, by resizing as required to provide multiboot, similar to how people run Linux alongside Windows, facilitating future upgrades on a test basis and/or beta testing upcoming releases without disturbing the then status quo, which also results in what amounts to a built-in rescue system. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 8 11:35:28 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:35:28 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5253E168.8040102@earthlink.net> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253E168.8040102@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5253EE00.70108@xs4all.nl> On 08/10/13 12:41, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-10-08 08:50 (GMT+0300) Georgi Kourtev composed: > >> Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by >> the OEM >> (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) >> what >> would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is >> on the >> laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or >> experience is appreciated. > > The underlying system is the same. The difference is in the GUI > software installed. I'd start by following the instructions on these > pages: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FromUbuntuToKubuntu > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE > > This procedure may leave behind some Dell-specific stuff that might be > helpful WRT support. It might be good to leave behind some of the > basic the Gnome stuff in order to allow the Dell stuff to work. > > Another option would be a fresh install alongside, by resizing as > required to provide multiboot, similar to how people run Linux > alongside Windows, facilitating future upgrades on a test basis and/or > beta testing upcoming releases without disturbing the then status quo, > which also results in what amounts to a built-in rescue system. Very useful, Felix! I did not know about the "ubuntu-desktop" and "kubuntu-desktop", did everything manually. Now I know. Thanks. Guus. From sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu Tue Oct 8 12:48:57 2013 From: sarunas at math.dartmouth.edu (Sarunas Burdulis) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 08:48:57 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <5253FF39.9060400@math.dartmouth.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/08/2013 01:50 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Hello, > > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by the OEM > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) what > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is on the > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or > experience is appreciated. There were plenty of good suggestions already, but I might add that you can also try booting from Kubuntu Live CD or USB drive and see if everything works well. If so you can start with complete reinstall of pure KDE, i.e. Kubuntu. If you find that some functionality is missing (power saving/suspend/brightness/wireless etc.), keeping Dell setup might be easier. My preferred way would be to use Terminal and install: sudo apt-get install kde-full (kde-full - complete KDE Software Compilation for end users) Sarunas Burdulis http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJT/zkACgkQejaFVltl6E8PygCgrXChsKB2l7dQLsaK4F/yEx8A 2sMAn0sL3o8yMteP3jWmCTyleuE3skFQ =MY58 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From basroufs at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 14:19:56 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:19:56 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5253FF39.9060400@math.dartmouth.edu> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253FF39.9060400@math.dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: Hello Georgi, if I were you, I would simply choose for a fresh install of the most recent stable version of Kubuntu - at present Kubuntu 13.04. On the other hand - if you need to get started quickly, you could for the time being choose to install some KDE components into your Ubuntu configuration along the lines of the instructions at this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE However - as soon as you have a bit more time, do download a Kubuntu image DVD and install the whole system from scratch. By the way - you mention a new Dell? laptop with just Ubuntu preinstalled. How did you get it?! Respectfully yours, Bas. 2013/10/8 Sarunas Burdulis > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/08/2013 01:50 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by the > OEM > > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) what > > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is on > the > > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or > > experience is appreciated. > > There were plenty of good suggestions already, but I might add that you > can also try booting from Kubuntu Live CD or USB drive and see if > everything works well. If so you can start with complete reinstall of > pure KDE, i.e. Kubuntu. > > If you find that some functionality is missing (power > saving/suspend/brightness/wireless etc.), keeping Dell setup might be > easier. My preferred way would be to use Terminal and install: > > sudo apt-get install kde-full > > (kde-full - complete KDE Software Compilation for end users) > > Sarunas Burdulis > http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlJT/zkACgkQejaFVltl6E8PygCgrXChsKB2l7dQLsaK4F/yEx8A > 2sMAn0sL3o8yMteP3jWmCTyleuE3skFQ > =MY58 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Tue Oct 8 14:56:13 2013 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:56:13 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253FF39.9060400@math.dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: <52541D0D.2010402@free.fr> Le 08/10/2013 16:19, Bas Roufs a écrit : > Hello Georgi, > > if I were you, I would simply choose for a fresh install of the most > recent stable version of Kubuntu - at present Kubuntu 13.04. On the > other hand - if you need to get started quickly, you could for the > time being choose to install some KDE components into your Ubuntu > configuration along the lines of the instructions at this page: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE > However - as soon as you have a bit more time, do download a Kubuntu > image DVD and install the whole system from scratch. > > By the way - you mention a new Dell? laptop with just Ubuntu > preinstalled. How did you get it?! > Respectfully yours, > > Bas. > > > 2013/10/8 Sarunas Burdulis > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/08/2013 01:50 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed > by the OEM > > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since > 2008) what > > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu > that is on the > > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any > advice or > > experience is appreciated. > > There were plenty of good suggestions already, but I might add > that you > can also try booting from Kubuntu Live CD or USB drive and see if > everything works well. If so you can start with complete reinstall of > pure KDE, i.e. Kubuntu. > > If you find that some functionality is missing (power > saving/suspend/brightness/wireless etc.), keeping Dell setup might be > easier. My preferred way would be to use Terminal and install: > > sudo apt-get install kde-full > > (kde-full - complete KDE Software Compilation for end users) > > Sarunas Burdulis > http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlJT/zkACgkQejaFVltl6E8PygCgrXChsKB2l7dQLsaK4F/yEx8A > 2sMAn0sL3o8yMteP3jWmCTyleuE3skFQ > =MY58 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com ; Mob. > +31 6 446 835 10; > > > > I insist wait for the kde saucy one ! So you will be ready for quiete a long time (kde-full install) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On the other > hand - if you need to get started quickly, you could for the time being > choose to install some KDE components into your Ubuntu configuration along > the lines of the instructions at this page: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE > However - as soon as you have a bit more time, do download a Kubuntu image > DVD and install the whole system from scratch. > > By the way - you mention a new Dell? laptop with just Ubuntu preinstalled. > How did you get it?! > Respectfully yours, > > Bas. > > > 2013/10/8 Sarunas Burdulis > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 10/08/2013 01:50 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed by the >> OEM >> > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use since 2008) >> what >> > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu that is >> on the >> > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any advice or >> > experience is appreciated. >> >> There were plenty of good suggestions already, but I might add that you >> can also try booting from Kubuntu Live CD or USB drive and see if >> everything works well. If so you can start with complete reinstall of >> pure KDE, i.e. Kubuntu. >> >> If you find that some functionality is missing (power >> saving/suspend/brightness/wireless etc.), keeping Dell setup might be >> easier. My preferred way would be to use Terminal and install: >> >> sudo apt-get install kde-full >> >> (kde-full - complete KDE Software Compilation for end users) >> >> Sarunas Burdulis >> http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAlJT/zkACgkQejaFVltl6E8PygCgrXChsKB2l7dQLsaK4F/yEx8A >> 2sMAn0sL3o8yMteP3jWmCTyleuE3skFQ >> =MY58 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 15:42:22 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 17:42:22 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253FF39.9060400@math.dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: <525427DE.7010501@gmail.com> On 08/10/2013 17:01, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. Over the weekend I'll try and will share the > experience. > > Well, where I am -- in Bulgaria, quite a large number of PCs (DELL, HP, > Acer, > also others) are offered with pre-installed linux -- mostly Ubuntu and > OpenSuse, saw few with Fedora. Normally they are much cheaper compared with > Windows pre-installed, which is normal. For Ubuntu OEM installation is > always > LTS versions, which I understand why being myself currently on Kubuntu > 12.04.2 > LTS... > gk > > > 2013/10/8 Bas Roufs > > > Hello Georgi, > > if I were you, I would simply choose for a fresh install of the most > recent stable version of Kubuntu - at present Kubuntu 13.04. On the > other hand - if you need to get started quickly, you could for the > time being choose to install some KDE components into your Ubuntu > configuration along the lines of the instructions at this page: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE > However - as soon as you have a bit more time, do download a Kubuntu > image DVD and install the whole system from scratch. > > By the way - you mention a new Dell? laptop with just Ubuntu > preinstalled. How did you get it?! > Respectfully yours, > > Bas. > > > 2013/10/8 Sarunas Burdulis > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/08/2013 01:50 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 > pre-installed by the OEM > > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use > since 2008) what > > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu > that is on the > > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any > advice or > > experience is appreciated. > > There were plenty of good suggestions already, but I might add > that you > can also try booting from Kubuntu Live CD or USB drive and see if > everything works well. If so you can start with complete > reinstall of > pure KDE, i.e. Kubuntu. > > If you find that some functionality is missing (power > saving/suspend/brightness/wireless etc.), keeping Dell setup > might be > easier. My preferred way would be to use Terminal and install: > > sudo apt-get install kde-full > > (kde-full - complete KDE Software Compilation for end users) > You could also: look at the repositories list, note down any that are not ubuntu (in other words any Dell specific). Then make a clean sweep install of Kubuntu, add back the repository. Dell USED to have a way of upgrading BIOS via linux on ubuntu, something you otherwise do not find. Sadly can not remember the details, this was 2 laptops earlier. But also check on ubuntuforums and there is a dell ubuntu mailing list: _______________________________________________ Linux-Desktops mailing list Linux-Desktops at dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-desktops Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq From clay at claydoh.com Tue Oct 8 15:59:00 2013 From: clay at claydoh.com (=?utf-8?B?Q2xheSBXZWJlcg==?=) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:59:00 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEt1YnVudHUgb24gdG9wIG9mIFVidW50dT8=?= Message-ID: Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network ----- Reply message ----- From: "O. Sinclair" To: "Kubuntu user technical support" Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? Date: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42 AM On 08/10/2013 17:01, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. Over the weekend I'll try and will share the > experience. > > Well, where I am -- in Bulgaria, quite a large number of PCs (DELL, HP, > Acer, > also others) are offered with pre-installed linux -- mostly Ubuntu and > OpenSuse, saw few with Fedora. Normally they are much cheaper compared with > Windows pre-installed, which is normal. For Ubuntu OEM installation is > always > LTS versions, which I understand why being myself currently on Kubuntu > 12.04.2 > LTS... > gk > > > 2013/10/8 Bas Roufs > > > Hello Georgi, > > if I were you, I would simply choose for a fresh install of the most > recent stable version of Kubuntu - at present Kubuntu 13.04. On the > other hand - if you need to get started quickly, you could for the > time being choose to install some KDE components into your Ubuntu > configuration along the lines of the instructions at this page: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE > However - as soon as you have a bit more time, do download a Kubuntu > image DVD and install the whole system from scratch. > > By the way - you mention a new Dell? laptop with just Ubuntu > preinstalled. How did you get it?! > Respectfully yours, > > Bas. > > > 2013/10/8 Sarunas Burdulis > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/08/2013 01:50 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 > pre-installed by the OEM > > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use > since 2008) what > > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu > that is on the > > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any > advice or > > experience is appreciated. > > There were plenty of good suggestions already, but I might add > that you > can also try booting from Kubuntu Live CD or USB drive and see if > everything works well. If so you can start with complete > reinstall of > pure KDE, i.e. Kubuntu. > > If you find that some functionality is missing (power > saving/suspend/brightness/wireless etc.), keeping Dell setup > might be > easier. My preferred way would be to use Terminal and install: > > sudo apt-get install kde-full > > (kde-full - complete KDE Software Compilation for end users) > You could also: look at the repositories list, note down any that are not ubuntu (in other words any Dell specific). Then make a clean sweep install of Kubuntu, add back the repository. Dell USED to have a way of upgrading BIOS via linux on ubuntu, something you otherwise do not find. Sadly can not remember the details, this was 2 laptops earlier. But also check on ubuntuforums and there is a dell ubuntu mailing list: _______________________________________________ Linux-Desktops mailing list Linux-Desktops at dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-desktops Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Tue Oct 8 15:59:14 2013 From: clay at claydoh.com (=?utf-8?B?Q2xheSBXZWJlcg==?=) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:59:14 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEt1YnVudHUgb24gdG9wIG9mIFVidW50dT8=?= Message-ID: , Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network ----- Reply message ----- From: "O. Sinclair" To: "Kubuntu user technical support" Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? Date: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:42 AM On 08/10/2013 17:01, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. Over the weekend I'll try and will share the > experience. > > Well, where I am -- in Bulgaria, quite a large number of PCs (DELL, HP, > Acer, > also others) are offered with pre-installed linux -- mostly Ubuntu and > OpenSuse, saw few with Fedora. Normally they are much cheaper compared with > Windows pre-installed, which is normal. For Ubuntu OEM installation is > always > LTS versions, which I understand why being myself currently on Kubuntu > 12.04.2 > LTS... > gk > > > 2013/10/8 Bas Roufs > > > Hello Georgi, > > if I were you, I would simply choose for a fresh install of the most > recent stable version of Kubuntu - at present Kubuntu 13.04. On the > other hand - if you need to get started quickly, you could for the > time being choose to install some KDE components into your Ubuntu > configuration along the lines of the instructions at this page: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE > However - as soon as you have a bit more time, do download a Kubuntu > image DVD and install the whole system from scratch. > > By the way - you mention a new Dell? laptop with just Ubuntu > preinstalled. How did you get it?! > Respectfully yours, > > Bas. > > > 2013/10/8 Sarunas Burdulis > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/08/2013 01:50 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Few days ago I got a new laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 > pre-installed by the OEM > > (DELL). As I would like to keep on Kubuntu (which I use > since 2008) what > > would be the better way -- to install the KDE over the Ubuntu > that is on the > > laptop anyway, or to do a fresh Kubuntu 12.04 install? Any > advice or > > experience is appreciated. > > There were plenty of good suggestions already, but I might add > that you > can also try booting from Kubuntu Live CD or USB drive and see if > everything works well. If so you can start with complete > reinstall of > pure KDE, i.e. Kubuntu. > > If you find that some functionality is missing (power > saving/suspend/brightness/wireless etc.), keeping Dell setup > might be > easier. My preferred way would be to use Terminal and install: > > sudo apt-get install kde-full > > (kde-full - complete KDE Software Compilation for end users) > You could also: look at the repositories list, note down any that are not ubuntu (in other words any Dell specific). Then make a clean sweep install of Kubuntu, add back the repository. Dell USED to have a way of upgrading BIOS via linux on ubuntu, something you otherwise do not find. Sadly can not remember the details, this was 2 laptops earlier. But also check on ubuntuforums and there is a dell ubuntu mailing list: _______________________________________________ Linux-Desktops mailing list Linux-Desktops at dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-desktops Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 8 16:04:38 2013 From: chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk (Chris Luck) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 17:04:38 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5253D245.2000108@xs4all.nl> References: <2147169.vyGbGLUE46@gkourtev-laptop> <5253A1CB.8050007@xs4all.nl> <5253BB07.7070105@gmail.com> <5253D245.2000108@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On 08/10/13 10:37, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 08/10/13 11:19, Chris Luck wrote: >> On 08/10/13 08:57, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> Dont you get rather messy menu system this way with a "mad >>> mixture" of gnome and KDE applications? >> >> You do indeed. You also have to be extremely careful when opening >> a graphics program with root permissions. If you use gksu where >> you should use kdesu you can foul-up the permissions and leave a >> program unusable until you've figured out what went wrong and how >> to fix it. > > Never had this problem. Thank you for pulling me up on that, I was mis-remembering the issue I had. On ferreted through the assorted notes that I keep I found it was a case of starting kppp with sudo - which did upset the permissions. Sorry for the noise. -- Regards, Chris Luck From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 05:23:27 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:23:27 +0200 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <5249f6d8.c503e00a.7c11.7e8e@mx.google.com> References: <52490C81.60702@gmail.com> <5249f6d8.c503e00a.7c11.7e8e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3755964.OcRDvJlgnC@viaconsensus-iter> Hello Everybody, it's time to shortly update my findings here. A few weeks ago, I renamed the folder .kde/share/apps/nepomuk. This did help - however, another measure has been necessary as well to enable myself to work with Kmail: I needed to limit the number of mails in my IMAP folders to 10.000 in the settings of Gmail. Ever since a few days, the Kubuntu website mentions KDE 4.11.2.: a ppa update with a bunch of bug fixes and stabilisation measures - that's why, I decided yesterday to give that version of KDE a try. So far, everything seems to works smoothly. But so far, I see 2 major points of attention: * The CPU usage is not constantly 100% - so I can work with Kontact and other packages. However, the CPU usage is more than before the upgrade from KDE 4.10. - too much anyway. * The very upper part of the screen in ALL applications seems to have vanished - as a matter of consequence, the upper right buttons meant to minimise or close down the window of an application, have vanished. The same applies for the title of a web page that used to be visible in the upper part of a Firefox window - this title is not visible any more. Later this weekend, I will again rename the Nepomuk folder mentioned above and get back with my findings here. Respectfully yours, Bas. -- */Bas G. Roufs /* Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com[1]; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. -------- [1] mailto:BasRoufs at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejazzkatt at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 12:23:32 2013 From: ejazzkatt at gmail.com (Eric Jackson) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:23:32 -0400 Subject: Dummy output to sound Message-ID: I have Windows XP on my hard dive and I had Ubuntu 12.04 there too. I also had Kubuntu 12.04 installed since it was first released. Recently I added a PPA to get a KDE update. I was able to successfully get several updates over time. Recently however when I installed an update KDE booted to a black screen. In trying to figure out what was wrong, neither Ubuntu or Kubuntu would boot. After just a few seconds they would return to the login screen. I decided to re install Kubuntu 12.04 but not Ubuntu. I did but had no touchpad on my laptop and the soundcard was giving a message saying "dummy output. I can use the mouse so that problem is not a big deal but no sound is a major problem for me because of how I use my computer. I installed Kubuntu 12.10 to replace 12.04 but I had the same problems. My original installation of 12.04 worked fine so I don't know why I had problems with the re installation. Anybody have an answer to my sound problems? My laptop is a Compaq R3275US. I'm not sure how to tell what soundcard I have. Help please? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at rileyz.net Fri Oct 11 18:29:42 2013 From: steve at rileyz.net (Steve Riley) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:29:42 -0700 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2411908.dD5iTSSYHk@t520> Try this in a console window: man service ...Steve On 2013-10-03 16:23:38 Volkan Gezer wrote: > > Hi all, > > Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart > services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has > an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this > will be more than enough :). > > Thanks, > > Best regards, > Volkan GEZER > volkangezer at gmail.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 12 02:16:18 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 22:16:18 -0400 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <3755964.OcRDvJlgnC@viaconsensus-iter> References: <5249f6d8.c503e00a.7c11.7e8e@mx.google.com> <3755964.OcRDvJlgnC@viaconsensus-iter> Message-ID: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> On Friday, October 11, 2013 07:23:27 AM Bas G. Roufs wrote: > Hello Everybody, > > it's time to shortly update my findings here. A few weeks ago, I renamed > the folder .kde/share/apps/nepomuk. This did help - however, another > measure has been necessary as well to enable myself to work with Kmail: I > needed to limit the number of mails in my IMAP folders to 10.000 in the > settings of Gmail. You have any idea how long you've been operating with the same $HOME disk? Reason I ask is that when I moved to 13.10 BETA, I ran into some severe CPU problems with MYSQL and Akonadi and Nepomuk trying to figure things out. Never had the problem in 13.04 but I had other problems like search not working in KMAIL. Today I started from scratch an rebuilt my entire $HOME disk, with a lot of referencing to my old one to determine settings for KMAIL and desktop frills. Now things are working like a charm. When I went into my old $HOME to search for some things, I found that the layout (directory names and organization) were no where NEAR what they are under a clean $HOME. Totally different and I am surprised that the old one ran as well as it did. Just saying.... it might be time to clean house. "Some people want to achieve immortality through their works or their descendants. I prefer to achieve immortality by not dying." - Woody Allen. From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Sat Oct 12 10:33:57 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 12:33:57 +0200 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> References: <5249f6d8.c503e00a.7c11.7e8e@mx.google.com> <3755964.OcRDvJlgnC@viaconsensus-iter> <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> Message-ID: <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> On 12/10/13 04:16, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday, October 11, 2013 07:23:27 AM Bas G. Roufs wrote: > You have any idea how long you've been operating with the same $HOME > disk? > Reason I ask is that when I moved to 13.10 BETA, I ran into some > severe CPU problems with MYSQL and Akonadi and Nepomuk trying to > figure things out. Never had the problem in 13.04 but I had other > problems like search not working in KMAIL. Today I started from > scratch an rebuilt my entire $HOME disk, with a lot of referencing to > my old one to determine settings for KMAIL and desktop frills. Now > things are working like a charm. When I went into my old $HOME to > search for some things, I found that the layout (directory names and > organization) were no where NEAR what they are under a clean $HOME. > Totally different and I am surprised that the old one ran as well as > it did. Just saying.... it might be time to clean house. This is actually a very good tip! I think many people have their home disk on a separate partition, and just either update or freshly install each new version of a distribution. So do I. So when a gui or distribution "reorganises:" their part of the configuration directories, it usually keeps what ever you have in there from previous versions. Thats where the mess comes from. It might even be a good idea to have the real data on a different partition than the "gui-fickle" part of the home directory. Usually it is the toplevel of the home directory with all the configuration files etc in it, that needs refreshing once in a while. The real data (documents, source, etc) could be on a separate partition. There is a caveat though. Some of the configuration directories also contain real data. For instance .kde has some subdirectory where you contacts are hidden. That is in my opinion a design error. You should be able to replace a .kde directory without destroying data. Unfortunately, mozilla / thunderbird / firefox do the same: your local mail repo is in a hidden "configuration" directory. Anyway, with a few caveats, you could separate data from configuration and refresh home partition once in awhile. Anyone else have different idea's? Guus. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sat Oct 12 13:17:46 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:17:46 -0400 Subject: /home data locations (was: Still 100% CPU whe...) In-Reply-To: <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> References: <5249f6d8.c503e00a.7c11.7e8e@mx.google.com> <3755964.OcRDvJlgnC@viaconsensus-iter> <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <52594BFA.50505@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-12 12:33 (GMT+0200) A.J. Bonnema composed: > There is a caveat though. Some of the configuration directories also > contain real data. For instance .kde has some subdirectory where you > contacts are hidden. That is in my opinion a design error. You should be > able to replace a .kde directory without destroying data. > Unfortunately, mozilla / thunderbird / firefox do the same: your local > mail repo is in a hidden "configuration" directory. This Mozilla configuration is a default carryover from Windows insanity. There's no good reason to keep it. Your Mozilla data can be moved wherever you please. Only the the few files that keep track of what profiles exist and their locations need to go in a default hidden location, and those are easily reconstructed if and when necessary. Likely KMail and other KDE app data can be relocated as well. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From gldvorak at gmail.com Sat Oct 12 17:15:23 2013 From: gldvorak at gmail.com (George Dvorak) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:15:23 -0700 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> References: <5249f6d8.c503e00a.7c11.7e8e@mx.google.com> <3755964.OcRDvJlgnC@viaconsensus-iter> <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:33 AM, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 12/10/13 04:16, Bruce Marshall wrote: > >> On Friday, October 11, 2013 07:23:27 AM Bas G. Roufs wrote: >> You have any idea how long you've been operating with the same $HOME >> disk? >> > > Reason I ask is that when I moved to 13.10 BETA, I ran into some severe >> CPU problems with MYSQL and Akonadi and Nepomuk trying to figure things >> out. Never had the problem in 13.04 but I had other problems like search >> not working in KMAIL. Today I started from scratch an rebuilt my entire >> $HOME disk, with a lot of referencing to my old one to determine settings >> for KMAIL and desktop frills. Now things are working like a charm. When I >> went into my old $HOME to search for some things, I found that the layout >> (directory names and organization) were no where NEAR what they are under a >> clean $HOME. Totally different and I am surprised that the old one ran as >> well as it did. Just saying.... it might be time to clean house. >> > > This is actually a very good tip! I think many people have their home disk > on a separate partition, and just either update or freshly install each new > version of a distribution. So do I. So when a gui or distribution > "reorganises:" their part of the configuration directories, it usually > keeps what ever you have in there from previous versions. Thats where the > mess comes from. > > It might even be a good idea to have the real data on a different > partition than the "gui-fickle" part of the home directory. > Usually it is the toplevel of the home directory with all the > configuration files etc in it, that needs refreshing once in a while. > The real data (documents, source, etc) could be on a separate partition. > > There is a caveat though. Some of the configuration directories also > contain real data. For instance .kde has some subdirectory where you > contacts are hidden. That is in my opinion a design error. You should be > able to replace a .kde directory without destroying data. > Unfortunately, mozilla / thunderbird / firefox do the same: your local > mail repo is in a hidden "configuration" directory. > > Anyway, with a few caveats, you could separate data from configuration and > refresh home partition once in awhile. > > Anyone else have different idea's? > > Guus. > > Yes, I have my personal data in a seperate partition. and when things get wierd I have reinstalled and reformatted both the root and $Home partitions without having to worry about personal data. Guus you are the first person that I have seen mention doing this. I have wondered why others did not see the advantage. In fact it would be great if Linux did not automatically set up a personal partition. George Dvorak > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 12 17:25:09 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 13:25:09 -0400 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> References: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1905340.kqVGzgpE1H@linux1> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:33:57 PM A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 12/10/13 04:16, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > On Friday, October 11, 2013 07:23:27 AM Bas G. Roufs wrote: > > You have any idea how long you've been operating with the same $HOME > > disk? > > > > Reason I ask is that when I moved to 13.10 BETA, I ran into some > > severe CPU problems with MYSQL and Akonadi and Nepomuk trying to > > figure things out. Never had the problem in 13.04 but I had other > > problems like search not working in KMAIL. Today I started from > > scratch an rebuilt my entire $HOME disk, with a lot of referencing to > > my old one to determine settings for KMAIL and desktop frills. Now > > things are working like a charm. When I went into my old $HOME to > > search for some things, I found that the layout (directory names and > > organization) were no where NEAR what they are under a clean $HOME. > > Totally different and I am surprised that the old one ran as well as > > it did. Just saying.... it might be time to clean house. > > This is actually a very good tip! I think many people have their home > disk on a separate partition, and just either update or freshly install > each new version of a distribution. So do I. So when a gui or > distribution "reorganises:" their part of the configuration directories, > it usually keeps what ever you have in there from previous versions. > Thats where the mess comes from. > > It might even be a good idea to have the real data on a different > partition than the "gui-fickle" part of the home directory. > Usually it is the toplevel of the home directory with all the > configuration files etc in it, that needs refreshing once in a while. > The real data (documents, source, etc) could be on a separate partition. > > There is a caveat though. Some of the configuration directories also > contain real data. For instance .kde has some subdirectory where you > contacts are hidden. That is in my opinion a design error. You should be > able to replace a .kde directory without destroying data. > Unfortunately, mozilla / thunderbird / firefox do the same: your local > mail repo is in a hidden "configuration" directory. > > Anyway, with a few caveats, you could separate data from configuration > and refresh home partition once in awhile. > > Anyone else have different idea's? > > Guus. I guess my idea is that it would be darn near impossible to separate all that out! Now that KDE is built on akonadi/nepokuk/SQL.virtuoso etc etc I consider it to all be a mess... "Resources" yuk! Abd as it is. a lot of things still fail to work under that organization and I view it as a house of cards ready to fall. For example, you are supposed to be able to switch off incoming emails when Kmail isn't running. A nice thing in my view. But it doesn't work. Now if all the apps could decide on a sensible method of separating configuration from data, that would be a real blessing. But that's what we have to deal with. "Why are hemorrhiods called "hemorrhoids" instead of "assteroids"? From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 12 17:29:00 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 13:29 -0400 Subject: /home data locations (was: Still 100% CPU whe...) In-Reply-To: <52594BFA.50505@earthlink.net> References: <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> <52594BFA.50505@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3430597.gXlrVpRB9n@linux1> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 09:17:46 AM Felix Miata wrote: > This Mozilla configuration is a default carryover from Windows insanity. > There's no good reason to keep it. Your Mozilla data can be moved wherever > you please. Only the the few files that keep track of what profiles exist > and their locations need to go in a default hidden location, and those are > easily reconstructed if and when necessary. > > Likely KMail and other KDE app data can be relocated as well. Kmail emails and folder CAN be moved over to a fresh Kmail install. It's not all that easy but given details, it is not that hard either. I did all my testing on a separate "lab rat" system to verify I could do it before trying it on my main machine. And even then, I did copious backups while I was in the process of making up the new $HOME. I have a writeup of moving the emails over if anyone is interested. If I couldn't have moved those emails, I think I would have just stuck with 13.04 until I could find another email program. (but I've tried to find one before and gave up - - Kmail is too nice to give up) "It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so ingenious" - anonymous From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 12 17:35:47 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 13:35:47 -0400 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: References: <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4833078.lkakiSGrnF@linux1> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:15:23 AM George Dvorak wrote: > Yes, I have my personal data in a seperate partition. and when things get > wierd I have reinstalled and reformatted both the root and $Home partitions > without having to worry about personal data. Guus you are the first person > that I have seen mention doing this. I have wondered why others did not see > the advantage. In fact it would be great if Linux did not automatically set > up a personal partition. > > George Dvorak I too, in many cases have 'data' stored on other than $HOME, but pray tell, what do you do with Kmail (assuming you use kmail) data and many of the other apps. There are also hundreds if not thousands of configuration settings for apps that would have to be completely re-done. It's not an easy thing to handle. "I hit the CTRL key but I'm still not in control" From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 13 03:50:12 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:50:12 +1100 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <1905340.kqVGzgpE1H@linux1> References: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> <1905340.kqVGzgpE1H@linux1> Message-ID: <525A1874.2030500@iinet.net.au> On 13/10/13 04:25, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:33:57 PM A.J. Bonnema wrote: >> On 12/10/13 04:16, Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 07:23:27 AM Bas G. Roufs wrote: >>> You have any idea how long you've been operating with the same $HOME >>> disk? >>> >>> Reason I ask is that when I moved to 13.10 BETA, I ran into some >>> severe CPU problems with MYSQL and Akonadi and Nepomuk trying to >>> figure things out. Never had the problem in 13.04 but I had other >>> problems like search not working in KMAIL. Today I started from >>> scratch an rebuilt my entire $HOME disk, with a lot of referencing to >>> my old one to determine settings for KMAIL and desktop frills. Now >>> things are working like a charm. When I went into my old $HOME to >>> search for some things, I found that the layout (directory names and >>> organization) were no where NEAR what they are under a clean $HOME. >>> Totally different and I am surprised that the old one ran as well as >>> it did. Just saying.... it might be time to clean house. >> This is actually a very good tip! I think many people have their home >> disk on a separate partition, and just either update or freshly install >> each new version of a distribution. So do I. So when a gui or >> distribution "reorganises:" their part of the configuration directories, >> it usually keeps what ever you have in there from previous versions. >> Thats where the mess comes from. >> >> It might even be a good idea to have the real data on a different >> partition than the "gui-fickle" part of the home directory. >> Usually it is the toplevel of the home directory with all the >> configuration files etc in it, that needs refreshing once in a while. >> The real data (documents, source, etc) could be on a separate partition. >> >> There is a caveat though. Some of the configuration directories also >> contain real data. For instance .kde has some subdirectory where you >> contacts are hidden. That is in my opinion a design error. You should be >> able to replace a .kde directory without destroying data. >> Unfortunately, mozilla / thunderbird / firefox do the same: your local >> mail repo is in a hidden "configuration" directory. >> >> Anyway, with a few caveats, you could separate data from configuration >> and refresh home partition once in awhile. >> >> Anyone else have different idea's? >> >> Guus. > I guess my idea is that it would be darn near impossible to separate all that > out! Now that KDE is built on akonadi/nepokuk/SQL.virtuoso etc etc I > consider it to all be a mess... "Resources" yuk! Abd as it is. a lot of > things still fail to work under that organization and I view it as a house of > cards ready to fall. > > For example, you are supposed to be able to switch off incoming emails when > Kmail isn't running. A nice thing in my view. But it doesn't work. > > Now if all the apps could decide on a sensible method of separating > configuration from data, that would be a real blessing. > > But that's what we have to deal with. You mean that it is not possible in Kubuntu to create symlinks - for kmail, whatever - to where you have your directories/data stored? For example, I have had my irreplaceable data (like Thunderbird mail directories and Firefox config files) sitting on a second HDD in a directory called Special and my Documents, .thunderbird, .mozilla, Downloads, etc etc are all symlinked to Special. When I install a new version I don't have to worry about losing these directories/data because they are never overwritten by the new installation. All I do is create the symlinks in the newly created HOME. Simple. Been doing it for years (and it has been mentioned here and in Ubuntu list). BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Sun Oct 13 08:52:54 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 10:52:54 +0200 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <525A1874.2030500@iinet.net.au> References: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> <1905340.kqVGzgpE1H@linux1> <525A1874.2030500@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <525A5F66.2070105@xs4all.nl> On 13/10/13 05:50, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 13/10/13 04:25, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:33:57 PM A.J. Bonnema wrote: >>> On 12/10/13 04:16, Bruce Marshall wrote: I guess my idea is that it >>> would be darn near impossible to separate all that >> out! Now that KDE is built on akonadi/nepokuk/SQL.virtuoso etc etc I >> consider it to all be a mess... "Resources" yuk! Abd as it is. a >> lot of >> things still fail to work under that organization and I view it as a >> house of >> cards ready to fall. >> >> For example, you are supposed to be able to switch off incoming >> emails when >> Kmail isn't running. A nice thing in my view. But it doesn't work. >> >> Now if all the apps could decide on a sensible method of separating >> configuration from data, that would be a real blessing. >> >> But that's what we have to deal with. > > You mean that it is not possible in Kubuntu to create symlinks - for > kmail, whatever - to where you have your directories/data stored? > > For example, I have had my irreplaceable data (like Thunderbird mail > directories and Firefox config files) sitting on a second HDD in a > directory called Special and my Documents, .thunderbird, .mozilla, > Downloads, etc etc are all symlinked to Special. > > When I install a new version I don't have to worry about losing these > directories/data because they are never overwritten by the new > installation. All I do is create the symlinks in the newly created HOME. > > Simple. Been doing it for years (and it has been mentioned here and in > Ubuntu list). > > BC > I actually like this solution. I am certainly going to try it out. A drawback is, that for any new application that is important to me (i.e. not a game or experiment) I will have to find out actively where the application stores the data I find important and redirect it to a fixed location. In the past I have also noticed that differing distribution tend to have different places to store mails (thunderbird is an example of this). But I will try this approach as it seems easiest to apply. Still, I feel that linux users and developers alike are insufficiently aware of this being a problem. I wonder if there is a way to make sure this gets attention, what platform we have to file such a desire / complaint / bug / feature. Guus. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 13 12:10:27 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:10:27 +1100 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <525A5F66.2070105@xs4all.nl> References: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> <1905340.kqVGzgpE1H@linux1> <525A1874.2030500@iinet.net.au> <525A5F66.2070105@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <525A8DB3.8020808@iinet.net.au> On 13/10/13 19:52, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 13/10/13 05:50, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 13/10/13 04:25, Bruce Marshall wrote: >>> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:33:57 PM A.J. Bonnema wrote: >>>> On 12/10/13 04:16, Bruce Marshall wrote: I guess my idea is that it >>>> would be darn near impossible to separate all that >>> out! Now that KDE is built on akonadi/nepokuk/SQL.virtuoso etc etc I >>> consider it to all be a mess... "Resources" yuk! Abd as it is. >>> a lot of >>> things still fail to work under that organization and I view it as a >>> house of >>> cards ready to fall. >>> >>> For example, you are supposed to be able to switch off incoming >>> emails when >>> Kmail isn't running. A nice thing in my view. But it doesn't work. >>> >>> Now if all the apps could decide on a sensible method of separating >>> configuration from data, that would be a real blessing. >>> >>> But that's what we have to deal with. >> >> You mean that it is not possible in Kubuntu to create symlinks - for >> kmail, whatever - to where you have your directories/data stored? >> >> For example, I have had my irreplaceable data (like Thunderbird mail >> directories and Firefox config files) sitting on a second HDD in a >> directory called Special and my Documents, .thunderbird, .mozilla, >> Downloads, etc etc are all symlinked to Special. >> >> When I install a new version I don't have to worry about losing these >> directories/data because they are never overwritten by the new >> installation. All I do is create the symlinks in the newly created HOME. >> >> Simple. Been doing it for years (and it has been mentioned here and >> in Ubuntu list). >> >> BC >> > > I actually like this solution. I am certainly going to try it out. A > drawback is, that for any new application that is important to me > (i.e. not a game or experiment) I will have to find out actively where > the application stores the data I find important and redirect it to a > fixed location. In the past I have also noticed that differing > distribution tend to have different places to store mails (thunderbird > is an example of this). Thunderbird stores your mail in only one place - ever! And that is in your home directory in the directory ./thunderbird. That's it. And if you are running Windows Thunderibird will always store your mail under Users//....../.thunderbird (and Firefox stores it in the same, or rather similar place, ....../mozilla). So if you ARE running Windows and then decide to use Linux all you need to do is to copy over to your /home directory the thunderbird and mozilla directories in Windows. Re the rest of your comments, someone else will correct me on this but as far as I know your data is stored in your /home directory and no where else. Reason for this is that Linux is a multiuser system and each user has his/her own /home directory and that is where his/her data is stored. > But I will try this approach as it seems easiest to apply. > > Still, I feel that linux users and developers alike are insufficiently > aware of this being a problem. This is not a problem. All it requires is the exercise of "the little grey cells". And the developers are not stupid - well, not all of them anyway :-) . > I wonder if there is a way to make sure this gets attention, what > platform we have to file such a desire / complaint / bug / feature. > > Guus. BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Sun Oct 13 14:17:53 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:17:53 +0200 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <525A8DB3.8020808@iinet.net.au> References: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> <1905340.kqVGzgpE1H@linux1> <525A1874.2030500@iinet.net.au> <525A5F66.2070105@xs4all.nl> <525A8DB3.8020808@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <525AAB91.2060903@xs4all.nl> On 13/10/13 14:10, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 13/10/13 19:52, A.J. Bonnema wrote: >> I actually like this solution. I am certainly going to try it out. A >> drawback is, that for any new application that is important to me >> (i.e. not a game or experiment) I will have to find out actively >> where the application stores the data I find important and redirect >> it to a fixed location. In the past I have also noticed that >> differing distribution tend to have different places to store mails >> (thunderbird is an example of this). > > Thunderbird stores your mail in only one place - ever! And that is in > your home directory in the directory ./thunderbird. That's it. And if > you are running Windows Thunderibird will always store your mail under > Users//....../.thunderbird (and Firefox stores it in the > same, or rather similar place, ....../mozilla). So if you ARE running > Windows and then decide to use Linux all you need to do is to copy > over to your /home directory the thunderbird and mozilla directories > in Windows. > > Re the rest of your comments, someone else will correct me on this but > as far as I know your data is stored in your /home directory and no > where else. Reason for this is that Linux is a multiuser system and > each user has his/her own /home directory and that is where his/her > data is stored. Yes .... well, in this I meant different place within the home directory: we were discussing home directory. In the past, when I switched distributions, I had to look for thunderbird in alternate locations. If I remember correctly they were Fedora and Ubuntu: one had the thunderbird files from ~/.mozilla/thunderbird, and the other from ~/.thunderbird. Currently that is no longer the case: I just checked. Anyway, the point is, that these things change. The data directory, where your mail is stored, should be a concious decision, not a default placement and certainly not mixed with configuration files. > >> But I will try this approach as it seems easiest to apply. >> >> Still, I feel that linux users and developers alike are >> insufficiently aware of this being a problem. > > This is not a problem. All it requires is the exercise of "the little > grey cells". > And the developers are not stupid - well, not all of them anyway :-) . I am not implying that anyone is stupid, just that dev + users are not sufficiently aware that data placement in hidden directories mixed with configuration is far from ideal. > >> I wonder if there is a way to make sure this gets attention, what >> platform we have to file such a desire / complaint / bug / feature. >> >> Guus. And I still do. > > BC Guus. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Oct 13 17:37:12 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:37:12 -0400 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <525A5F66.2070105@xs4all.nl> References: <525A1874.2030500@iinet.net.au> <525A5F66.2070105@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <2965107.sDOnffnVWF@linux1> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:52:54 AM A.J. Bonnema wrote: > I actually like this solution. I am certainly going to try it out. A > drawback is, that for any new application that is important to me (i.e. > not a game or experiment) I will have to find out actively where the > application stores the data I find important and redirect it to a fixed > location. In the past I have also noticed that differing distribution > tend to have different places to store mails (thunderbird is an example > of this). And as i found out in re-building my KDE $HOME.... Organization of the data can change, drastically. The location of kmail files has changed several times over the past 4 years. You'd have to go in on each new release and determine if things had changed. -- "Aha! A coffeemaker that fits in a 5.25-inch slot!" From blchupin at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 14 11:23:53 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:23:53 +1100 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <525AAB91.2060903@xs4all.nl> References: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> <52592595.4080506@xs4all.nl> <1905340.kqVGzgpE1H@linux1> <525A1874.2030500@iinet.net.au> <525A5F66.2070105@xs4all.nl> <525A8DB3.8020808@iinet.net.au> <525AAB91.2060903@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <525BD449.4050106@iinet.net.au> On 14/10/13 01:17, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 13/10/13 14:10, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 13/10/13 19:52, A.J. Bonnema wrote: >>> I actually like this solution. I am certainly going to try it out. A >>> drawback is, that for any new application that is important to me >>> (i.e. not a game or experiment) I will have to find out actively >>> where the application stores the data I find important and redirect >>> it to a fixed location. In the past I have also noticed that >>> differing distribution tend to have different places to store mails >>> (thunderbird is an example of this). >> >> Thunderbird stores your mail in only one place - ever! And that is in >> your home directory in the directory ./thunderbird. That's it. And if >> you are running Windows Thunderibird will always store your mail >> under Users//....../.thunderbird (and Firefox stores it in >> the same, or rather similar place, ....../mozilla). So if you ARE >> running Windows and then decide to use Linux all you need to do is to >> copy over to your /home directory the thunderbird and mozilla >> directories in Windows. >> >> Re the rest of your comments, someone else will correct me on this >> but as far as I know your data is stored in your /home directory and >> no where else. Reason for this is that Linux is a multiuser system >> and each user has his/her own /home directory and that is where >> his/her data is stored. > Yes .... well, in this I meant different place within the home > directory: we were discussing home directory. > > In the past, when I switched distributions, I had to look for > thunderbird in alternate locations. > If I remember correctly they were Fedora and Ubuntu: one had the > thunderbird files from ~/.mozilla/thunderbird, and the other from > ~/.thunderbird. > Currently that is no longer the case: I just checked. Anyway, the > point is, that these things change. > The data directory, where your mail is stored, should be a concious > decision, not a default placement and certainly not mixed with > configuration files. I must be missing something here.....but why do you have this "obsession" with where these files are located? :-) . Put these files in a place where YOU want them (like I did with putting them on the second HDD in directory Special) and then create symlinks to them from wherever they may be put by a new installation. Of course you do NOT symlink any config files[#] to Special but only such as Documents, Downloads, .thunderbird, .mozilla, Pictures, Videos, and so on. You do NOT want to keep from one installation to another any config files which may be put in ./kde4 and so on because you do NOT want to retain old baggage which may stuff up your new installation. It is always best to do a CLEAN new installation - this way if you have any hassles you don't have to worry about whether or not it is caused by the previous model of your system. [#] As you know there are system config files and there are the user's (and root's) config files. As far as I am concerned none of these are of any importance and should be generated when a new version is being installed. If you have some special settings for your Desktop or some application then get yourself a little notebook (I have my Little Black Book) and write those settings in it so that you can apply them to the new installation. > But I will try this approach as it seems easiest to apply. >>> >>> Still, I feel that linux users and developers alike are >>> insufficiently aware of this being a problem. >> >> This is not a problem. All it requires is the exercise of "the little >> grey cells". >> And the developers are not stupid - well, not all of them anyway :-) . > > I am not implying that anyone is stupid, just that dev + users are not > sufficiently aware that data placement in hidden directories mixed > with configuration is far from ideal. There are no such things as hidden directories. Everything is openly available to you as a user and as root/administrator of your system. The "hidden" directories are "hidden" to keep newbies who are transferring from Windows to Linux getting their sticky fingers into them and stuffing something up. Your Dolphin has a setting to display "hidden" directories. But if you really want a hassle free "looksee" at your system then install mc (Midnight Commander) which is the Swiss knife of file managers. It may not installed by default so install it and get used to using it. Want to create a symlink? Do it with mc - as simple as falling off a log. Want to search for a file? Do it with mc. Want to search for some word in a file? Do it with mc. Want to......? Do it with mc :-) . > I wonder if there is a way to make sure this gets attention, what > platform we have to file such a desire / complaint / bug / feature. >>> >>> Guus. > And I still do. No one's stopping you :-) . BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Thu Oct 17 08:08:14 2013 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:08:14 +0000 Subject: Rocksnflops Message-ID: <730651.224122511-sendEmail@xpresso> Does anyone out there play the, "rocksndiamonds", game? Out of the zillions of files that came with the game, there seems to be absolutely nothing that points to the command that starts it. :-( Bill From myriam at kubuntu.org Thu Oct 17 08:19:14 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:19:14 +0200 Subject: Rocksnflops In-Reply-To: <730651.224122511-sendEmail@xpresso> References: <730651.224122511-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: Hi Bill, On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:08 AM, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > Does anyone out there play the, "rocksndiamonds", game? > Out of the zillions of files that came with the game, > there seems to be absolutely nothing that points to the > command that starts it. :-( I think there is a misunderstanding: that is not the game, it is a games engine, which is the underlying part to be able to actually play the game on a PC. The game itself is something you need to get through other means. All that is specified in the package description you can see in your package manager: "This package provides the game engine for Rocks'n'Diamonds, an arcade game in the tradition of "Boulder Dash", "Emerald Mine", "Supaplex", "Sokoban", "Legend Of Zelda", etcetera. Game levels emulating all of these can be downloaded from ArtSoft.org." Hope this helps, Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From jriddell at ubuntu.com Thu Oct 17 14:03:55 2013 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:03:55 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released Message-ID: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> Packaged full of lovely goodness is the upgrade to 13.10, grab it now.. http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 Highlights include... New Software from KDE - KDE Plasma and Applications 4.11 New app installer - Muon Discover New accounts setup - User Manager Easier to get everything during install - Wireless Setup in Installer KDE Telepathy with Better Text Editing and Improved Notifications New Network Manager applet Easier to report what you're using with About System documentation returns at http://docs.kubuntu.org still using good old X.org and planning to follow the rest of the ecosystem with Wayland Remember Commercial Support is available and you can help Kubuntu with buying Merchandise and giving Donations Enjoy it all. Jonathan From cbaptista at opensuse.us Thu Oct 17 14:49:17 2013 From: cbaptista at opensuse.us (Carlos Baptista) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:49:17 +0100 Subject: KRDC doesn't work after upgrade Message-ID: <525FF8ED.4060105@opensuse.us> Hi, I have upgraded to 13.10 and krdc does not work anymore. It startup but it's not using rdesktop to connect. If I call rdesktop from command line I can connect. Anyone with the same problem? Carlos From cbaptista at opensuse.us Thu Oct 17 14:58:52 2013 From: cbaptista at opensuse.us (Carlos Baptista) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:58:52 +0100 Subject: KRDC doesn't work after upgrade SOLVED!! In-Reply-To: <525FF8ED.4060105@opensuse.us> References: <525FF8ED.4060105@opensuse.us> Message-ID: <525FFB2C.8070401@opensuse.us> Solved. Since krdc now is using xfreerdp, I have to change the "extra options" in my config files. Carlos On 17-10-2013 15:49, Carlos Baptista wrote: > Hi, > > I have upgraded to 13.10 and krdc does not work anymore. > > It startup but it's not using rdesktop to connect. If I call rdesktop > from command line I can connect. Anyone with the same problem? > > Carlos From lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 21:46:56 2013 From: lindsay.mathieson at gmail.com (Lindsay Mathieson) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:46:56 +1000 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released In-Reply-To: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> References: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> Message-ID: <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:03:55 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: > New Software from KDE - KDE Plasma and Applications 4.11 > New app installer - Muon Discover > New accounts setup - User Manager > Easier to get everything during install - Wireless Setup in Installer > KDE Telepathy with Better Text Editing and Improved Notifications > New Network Manager applet > Easier to report what you're using with About System > documentation returns at http://docs.kubuntu.org > still using good old X.org and planning to follow the rest of the ecosystem > with Wayland An excellent upgrade and well worth doing, as always big improvements all round, especially in telepathy and kdepim stand out. One Caveat - I hate the new network manager, a big drop back from the old one. Less information on display, and ugly to look at. -- Lindsay -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 23:47:36 2013 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:47:36 -0400 Subject: Service List Like openSUSE? In-Reply-To: <2411908.dD5iTSSYHk@t520> References: <2411908.dD5iTSSYHk@t520> Message-ID: For a graphical (but likely less robust solution) one can press + to bring up a process table that one can monitor and perform various actions on. See: http://userbase.kde.org/KSysGuard#The_Process_Table James Cain On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Steve Riley wrote: > Try this in a console window: > > man service > > > ...Steve > > > > On 2013-10-03 16:23:38 Volkan Gezer wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Are there any tools that can list and allow us to start/stop/restart > > services like Apache, Mysql etc. under Kubuntu? As I know openSUSE has > > an app which can list RunLevel services. Any application like this > > will be more than enough :). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Best regards, > > Volkan GEZER > > volkangezer at gmail.com > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil_lor at bigpond.com Fri Oct 18 07:04:41 2013 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:04:41 +1000 Subject: LibreOffice UK thesaurus Message-ID: <5260DD89.1090305@bigpond.com> Thank you for reading this. I migrated from another Linux distribution to Kubuntu about two years ago and since then I have been unable to get the UK thesaurus going. In other words the thesaurus is greyed out under the tools -> languages menu. I have installed the UK thesaurus using the extension manager and it's listed under "Writing aids" as "OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus". I've search the Internet for an answer and I see that many people have asked the same question. The thesaurus used to work under my previous Linux installation and it does work under Kubuntu if I set the language to "English US" I was hoping that the 13.10 release might solve the problem. Can anyone offer any help? -- Regards, Phil From blchupin at iinet.net.au Fri Oct 18 13:01:36 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:01:36 +1100 Subject: LibreOffice UK thesaurus In-Reply-To: <5260DD89.1090305@bigpond.com> References: <5260DD89.1090305@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <52613130.8070501@iinet.net.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reb at barmannsbar.com Thu Oct 17 17:35:43 2013 From: reb at barmannsbar.com (Richard Barmann) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:35:43 -0400 Subject: Upgrading to 13.10 Message-ID: <52601FEF.4030305@barmannsbar.com> I am trying to "do-release-upgrade" and keep getting Page not found. What am I doing wrong? Please help as I want to stay up with kubuntu. Thank you. -- When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) From gilgib1 at verizon.net Fri Oct 18 23:00:01 2013 From: gilgib1 at verizon.net (Gilgib1) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:00:01 -0400 Subject: Upgrading to 13.10 In-Reply-To: <52601FEF.4030305@barmannsbar.com> References: <52601FEF.4030305@barmannsbar.com> Message-ID: <5261BD71.2030104@verizon.net> On 10/17/2013 01:35 PM, Richard Barmann wrote: > I am trying to "do-release-upgrade" and keep getting Page not found. > What am I doing wrong? Please help as I want to stay up with kubuntu. > Thank you. do-release-upgrade should be done from the Konsole From phil_lor at bigpond.com Sat Oct 19 01:08:05 2013 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:08:05 +1000 Subject: LibreOffice UK thesaurus In-Reply-To: <52613130.8070501@iinet.net.au> References: <5260DD89.1090305@bigpond.com> <52613130.8070501@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5261DB75.4090703@bigpond.com> On 18/10/13 23:01, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 18/10/13 18:04, Phil wrote: >> Thank you for reading this. >> >> I migrated from another Linux distribution to Kubuntu about two years >> ago and since then I have been unable to get the UK thesaurus going. >> In other words the thesaurus is greyed out under the tools -> >> languages menu. >> >> I have installed the UK thesaurus using the extension manager and it's >> listed under "Writing aids" as "OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus". I've >> search the Internet for an answer and I see that many people have >> asked the same question. >> >> The thesaurus used to work under my previous Linux installation and it >> does work under Kubuntu if I set the language to "English US" >> >> I was hoping that the 13.10 release might solve the problem. Can >> anyone offer any help? >> > > Your language should be set/checked in a couple of places: > > * System Settings - Locale where you set the location (eg Australia); and > > * move the default Language from the left pane to the right pane. > > Also, in LibreOffice under Language Settings make sure that you have the > correct language set. > Thanks Basil, I had UK English set under system settings. Actually, I've found that the locale language setting can be anything and still not affect what happens under Libreoffice. The only way that I can have a working thesaurus is the set the language in Libreoffice to "English US". Several English variants are ticked but only the US version allows the thesaurus. I had installed the Libreoffice GB language package but it didn't help. If the thesaurus menu item is not greyed out for you, and you're not using US English, then I must have an incorrect setting somewhere. -- Regards, Phil From phil_lor at bigpond.com Sat Oct 19 03:02:12 2013 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:02:12 +1000 Subject: LibreOffice UK thesaurus _part 2 In-Reply-To: <52613130.8070501@iinet.net.au> References: <5260DD89.1090305@bigpond.com> <52613130.8070501@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5261F634.8030704@bigpond.com> On 10/18/2013 11:01 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 18/10/13 18:04, Phil wrote: >> Thank you for reading this. >> >> I migrated from another Linux distribution to Kubuntu about two years >> ago and since then I have been unable to get the UK thesaurus going. >> In other words the thesaurus is greyed out under the tools -> >> languages menu. >> >> I have installed the UK thesaurus using the extension manager and it's >> listed under "Writing aids" as "OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus". I've >> search the Internet for an answer and I see that many people have >> asked the same question. >> >> The thesaurus used to work under my previous Linux installation and it >> does work under Kubuntu if I set the language to "English US" >> >> I was hoping that the 13.10 release might solve the problem. Can >> anyone offer any help? >> > > Your language should be set/checked in a couple of places: > > * System Settings - Locale where you set the location (eg Australia); and > > * move the default Language from the left pane to the right pane. > > Also, in LibreOffice under Language Settings make sure that you have the > correct language set. > I have an old laptop with Xubuntu installed on it and I now have Libreoffice installed on it as well. The thesaurus is displayed with the following settings: User interface: Default - English (USA) Locale settings: English (Australia) Default language for documents: English (Australia) If I set the default language to UK English then the thesaurus item is greyed. I've always used UK dictionaries rather than Australian dictionaries in word processors because of US word spelling. A quick check has shown that the Libreoffice dictionary and thesaurus contains words as they would be spelt in a UK dictionary. The Libreoffice settings are identical under Kububtu and Xubuntu . The locale language setting under Kububtu is set to US English rather than UK English as I previously had it. An Australian English option is not available. So, both Libreoffice applications are set up the same yet the thesaurus menu item is greyed under Kububtu. This can only mean that I have overlooked a language setting somewhere. What have I missed? -- Regards, Phil From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sat Oct 19 04:25:12 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:25:12 +1100 Subject: LibreOffice UK thesaurus _part 2 In-Reply-To: <5261F634.8030704@bigpond.com> References: <5260DD89.1090305@bigpond.com> <52613130.8070501@iinet.net.au> <5261F634.8030704@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <526209A8.3020401@iinet.net.au> On 19/10/13 14:02, Phil wrote: > On 10/18/2013 11:01 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 18/10/13 18:04, Phil wrote: >>> Thank you for reading this. >>> >>> I migrated from another Linux distribution to Kubuntu about two years >>> ago and since then I have been unable to get the UK thesaurus going. >>> In other words the thesaurus is greyed out under the tools -> >>> languages menu. >>> >>> I have installed the UK thesaurus using the extension manager and it's >>> listed under "Writing aids" as "OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus". I've >>> search the Internet for an answer and I see that many people have >>> asked the same question. >>> >>> The thesaurus used to work under my previous Linux installation and it >>> does work under Kubuntu if I set the language to "English US" >>> >>> I was hoping that the 13.10 release might solve the problem. Can >>> anyone offer any help? >>> >> >> Your language should be set/checked in a couple of places: >> >> * System Settings - Locale where you set the location (eg Australia); >> and >> >> * move the default Language from the left pane to the right pane. >> >> Also, in LibreOffice under Language Settings make sure that you have the >> correct language set. >> > > I have an old laptop with Xubuntu installed on it and I now have > Libreoffice installed on it as well. The thesaurus is displayed with > the following settings: > > User interface: Default - English (USA) > Locale settings: English (Australia) > Default language for documents: English (Australia) > > If I set the default language to UK English then the thesaurus item is > greyed. I've always used UK dictionaries rather than Australian > dictionaries in word processors because of US word spelling. A quick > check has shown that the Libreoffice dictionary and thesaurus contains > words as they would be spelt in a UK dictionary. > > The Libreoffice settings are identical under Kububtu and Xubuntu . The > locale language setting under Kububtu is set to US English rather than > UK English as I previously had it. An Australian English option is not > available. > > So, both Libreoffice applications are set up the same yet the > thesaurus menu item is greyed under Kububtu. This can only mean that I > have overlooked a language setting somewhere. > > What have I missed? I dunno :-( :-) . I have version 4.1.2.3 of LibreOffice installed and the default language is set to English (UK) and I see the Thesaurus. Perhaps you should upgrade to 4.1.2.3? BTW, 4.1.2.3 is downloaded from libreoffice.org and installed manually - follow the installation instructions if you are going to go this way. BC Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.5-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami From phil_lor at bigpond.com Sat Oct 19 05:10:26 2013 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:10:26 +1000 Subject: LibreOffice UK thesaurus _part 2 In-Reply-To: <526209A8.3020401@iinet.net.au> References: <5260DD89.1090305@bigpond.com> <52613130.8070501@iinet.net.au> <5261F634.8030704@bigpond.com> <526209A8.3020401@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <52621442.6050703@bigpond.com> On 10/19/2013 02:25 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > I dunno :-( :-) . > > I have version 4.1.2.3 of LibreOffice installed and the default language > is set to English (UK) and I see the Thesaurus. Perhaps you should > upgrade to 4.1.2.3? > That version was part of the 13.10 installation. It's the same version that works correctly under Xubuntu so the problem is specific to KDE or Kubuntu. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to reply. -- Regards, Phil From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sat Oct 19 05:58:07 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 16:58:07 +1100 Subject: LibreOffice UK thesaurus _part 2 In-Reply-To: <52621442.6050703@bigpond.com> References: <5260DD89.1090305@bigpond.com> <52613130.8070501@iinet.net.au> <5261F634.8030704@bigpond.com> <526209A8.3020401@iinet.net.au> <52621442.6050703@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <52621F6F.8090104@iinet.net.au> On 19/10/13 16:10, Phil wrote: > On 10/19/2013 02:25 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > >> I dunno :-( :-) . >> >> I have version 4.1.2.3 of LibreOffice installed and the default language >> is set to English (UK) and I see the Thesaurus. Perhaps you should >> upgrade to 4.1.2.3? >> > > That version was part of the 13.10 installation. It's the same version > that works correctly under Xubuntu so the problem is specific to KDE > or Kubuntu. Well I am using KDE (and have been since year dot) so it is not KDE. And I am not using Kubuntu (but openSUSE 13.1). > Anyway, thanks for taking the time to reply. No problemo. BC -- "If you read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." - Haruki Murakami From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 06:05:37 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:05:37 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released In-Reply-To: <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> References: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> Message-ID: <52622131.2080604@gmail.com> On 17/10/2013 23:46, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:03:55 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: >> New Software from KDE - KDE Plasma and Applications 4.11 >> New app installer - Muon Discover >> New accounts setup - User Manager >> Easier to get everything during install - Wireless Setup in Installer >> KDE Telepathy with Better Text Editing and Improved Notifications >> New Network Manager applet >> Easier to report what you're using with About System >> documentation returns at http://docs.kubuntu.org >> still using good old X.org and planning to follow the rest of the ecosystem >> with Wayland > > > An excellent upgrade and well worth doing, as always big improvements all > round, especially in telepathy and kdepim stand out. > > One Caveat - I hate the new network manager, a big drop back from the old one. > Less information on display, and ugly to look at. > > > A disaster here. As I am writing virtuoso process is using close to 700 Mb RAM, Kontact takes almost the same. CPU is over 30% related to nepo/ako whatever processes. Suddenly I can not use my favvo style oxygen-transparent as KWin goes monkey when I do. And "as usual" no autocompletion of address in a new mail. Instead I get a whole bunch of "found in your data" that I never asked for. Deep sigh. Sinclair From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Oct 19 07:08:23 2013 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 09:08:23 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released In-Reply-To: <52622131.2080604@gmail.com> References: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> <52622131.2080604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52622FE7.9090306@free.fr> Le 19/10/2013 08:05, O. Sinclair a écrit : > On 17/10/2013 23:46, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:03:55 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: >>> New Software from KDE - KDE Plasma and Applications 4.11 >>> New app installer - Muon Discover >>> New accounts setup - User Manager >>> Easier to get everything during install - Wireless Setup in Installer >>> KDE Telepathy with Better Text Editing and Improved Notifications >>> New Network Manager applet >>> Easier to report what you're using with About System >>> documentation returns at http://docs.kubuntu.org >>> still using good old X.org and planning to follow the rest of the >>> ecosystem >>> with Wayland >> >> >> An excellent upgrade and well worth doing, as always big improvements >> all >> round, especially in telepathy and kdepim stand out. >> >> One Caveat - I hate the new network manager, a big drop back from the >> old one. >> Less information on display, and ugly to look at. >> >> >> > A disaster here. As I am writing virtuoso process is using close to > 700 Mb RAM, Kontact takes almost the same. CPU is over 30% related to > nepo/ako whatever processes. > > Suddenly I can not use my favvo style oxygen-transparent as KWin goes > monkey when I do. > > And "as usual" no autocompletion of address in a new mail. Instead I > get a whole bunch of "found in your data" that I never asked for. > > Deep sigh. > > Sinclair > Here problems too... I was hoping kde could work again on my pc but no.... Since version kde4.8 it blocks just after loging. I have a nvidia 220 and a hp pavillon AMD 3 core. I have kubuntu and ubuntu desktop. Wait till it works again one day ! Henri From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 07:21:24 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 09:21:24 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released In-Reply-To: <52622FE7.9090306@free.fr> References: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> <52622131.2080604@gmail.com> <52622FE7.9090306@free.fr> Message-ID: <526232F4.2010608@gmail.com> On 10/19/2013 09:08 AM, Girard Henri wrote: > > Le 19/10/2013 08:05, O. Sinclair a écrit : >> On 17/10/2013 23:46, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: >>> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:03:55 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: >>>> New Software from KDE - KDE Plasma and Applications 4.11 >>>> New app installer - Muon Discover >>>> New accounts setup - User Manager >>>> Easier to get everything during install - Wireless Setup in Installer >>>> KDE Telepathy with Better Text Editing and Improved Notifications >>>> New Network Manager applet >>>> Easier to report what you're using with About System >>>> documentation returns at http://docs.kubuntu.org >>>> still using good old X.org and planning to follow the rest of the >>>> ecosystem >>>> with Wayland >>> >>> >>> An excellent upgrade and well worth doing, as always big improvements >>> all >>> round, especially in telepathy and kdepim stand out. >>> >>> One Caveat - I hate the new network manager, a big drop back from the >>> old one. >>> Less information on display, and ugly to look at. >>> >>> >>> >> A disaster here. As I am writing virtuoso process is using close to >> 700 Mb RAM, Kontact takes almost the same. CPU is over 30% related to >> nepo/ako whatever processes. >> >> Suddenly I can not use my favvo style oxygen-transparent as KWin goes >> monkey when I do. >> >> And "as usual" no autocompletion of address in a new mail. Instead I >> get a whole bunch of "found in your data" that I never asked for. >> >> Deep sigh. >> >> Sinclair >> > Here problems too... I was hoping kde could work again on my pc but > no.... Since version kde4.8 it blocks just after loging. I have a nvidia > 220 and a hp pavillon AMD 3 core. > I have kubuntu and ubuntu desktop. > Wait till it works again one day ! > Henri > Well, thanks to Remastersys (check it out before it goes offline) I am back with working Quantal/KDE 4.10.5 but it irritates me no end that what is basically a KDE upgrade goes bonkers in what is core techniques - akonadi/nepomuk who in the name of all gods did REMOVE the facility to limit virtuoso memory usage? What is akonadi-tags and what are they good for? Why is Kmail suddenly giving me truckloads of results from my mail data when I want a Contact in a mail? And so on Sinclair From girardhenri at free.fr Sat Oct 19 08:03:14 2013 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:03:14 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released In-Reply-To: <526232F4.2010608@gmail.com> References: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> <52622131.2080604@gmail.com> <52622FE7.9090306@free.fr> <526232F4.2010608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52623CC2.7080108@free.fr> Le 19/10/2013 09:21, O. Sinclair a écrit : > On 10/19/2013 09:08 AM, Girard Henri wrote: >> >> Le 19/10/2013 08:05, O. Sinclair a écrit : >>> On 17/10/2013 23:46, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: >>>> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:03:55 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: >>>>> New Software from KDE - KDE Plasma and Applications 4.11 >>>>> New app installer - Muon Discover >>>>> New accounts setup - User Manager >>>>> Easier to get everything during install - Wireless Setup in Installer >>>>> KDE Telepathy with Better Text Editing and Improved Notifications >>>>> New Network Manager applet >>>>> Easier to report what you're using with About System >>>>> documentation returns at http://docs.kubuntu.org >>>>> still using good old X.org and planning to follow the rest of the >>>>> ecosystem >>>>> with Wayland >>>> >>>> >>>> An excellent upgrade and well worth doing, as always big improvements >>>> all >>>> round, especially in telepathy and kdepim stand out. >>>> >>>> One Caveat - I hate the new network manager, a big drop back from the >>>> old one. >>>> Less information on display, and ugly to look at. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> A disaster here. As I am writing virtuoso process is using close to >>> 700 Mb RAM, Kontact takes almost the same. CPU is over 30% related to >>> nepo/ako whatever processes. >>> >>> Suddenly I can not use my favvo style oxygen-transparent as KWin goes >>> monkey when I do. >>> >>> And "as usual" no autocompletion of address in a new mail. Instead I >>> get a whole bunch of "found in your data" that I never asked for. >>> >>> Deep sigh. >>> >>> Sinclair >>> >> Here problems too... I was hoping kde could work again on my pc but >> no.... Since version kde4.8 it blocks just after loging. I have a nvidia >> 220 and a hp pavillon AMD 3 core. >> I have kubuntu and ubuntu desktop. >> Wait till it works again one day ! >> Henri >> > Well, thanks to Remastersys (check it out before it goes offline) I am > back with working Quantal/KDE 4.10.5 but it irritates me no end that > what is basically a KDE upgrade goes bonkers in what is core > techniques - akonadi/nepomuk > > who in the name of all gods did REMOVE the facility to limit virtuoso > memory usage? What is akonadi-tags and what are they good for? Why is > Kmail suddenly giving me truckloads of results from my mail data when > I want a Contact in a mail? > > And so on > > Sinclair I can run it now after getting rid of ubuntu-desktop gdm and lightdm but I have still a problem : no windows bordure (i installed kde-full), i guess it's a problem of compositing ? Henri From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 08:40:51 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:40:51 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released In-Reply-To: <52623CC2.7080108@free.fr> References: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> <52622131.2080604@gmail.com> <52622FE7.9090306@free.fr> <526232F4.2010608@gmail.com> <52623CC2.7080108@free.fr> Message-ID: <52624593.9080300@gmail.com> On 10/19/2013 10:03 AM, Girard Henri wrote: > Le 19/10/2013 09:21, O. Sinclair a écrit : >> On 10/19/2013 09:08 AM, Girard Henri wrote: >>> >>> Le 19/10/2013 08:05, O. Sinclair a écrit : >>>> On 17/10/2013 23:46, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:03:55 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: >>>>>> New Software from KDE - KDE Plasma and Applications 4.11 >>>>>> New app installer - Muon Discover >>>>>> New accounts setup - User Manager >>>>>> Easier to get everything during install - Wireless Setup in Installer >>>>>> KDE Telepathy with Better Text Editing and Improved Notifications >>>>>> New Network Manager applet >>>>>> Easier to report what you're using with About System >>>>>> documentation returns at http://docs.kubuntu.org >>>>>> still using good old X.org and planning to follow the rest of the >>>>>> ecosystem >>>>>> with Wayland >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> An excellent upgrade and well worth doing, as always big improvements >>>>> all >>>>> round, especially in telepathy and kdepim stand out. >>>>> >>>>> One Caveat - I hate the new network manager, a big drop back from the >>>>> old one. >>>>> Less information on display, and ugly to look at. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> A disaster here. As I am writing virtuoso process is using close to >>>> 700 Mb RAM, Kontact takes almost the same. CPU is over 30% related to >>>> nepo/ako whatever processes. >>>> >>>> Suddenly I can not use my favvo style oxygen-transparent as KWin goes >>>> monkey when I do. >>>> >>>> And "as usual" no autocompletion of address in a new mail. Instead I >>>> get a whole bunch of "found in your data" that I never asked for. >>>> >>>> Deep sigh. >>>> >>>> Sinclair >>>> >>> Here problems too... I was hoping kde could work again on my pc but >>> no.... Since version kde4.8 it blocks just after loging. I have a nvidia >>> 220 and a hp pavillon AMD 3 core. >>> I have kubuntu and ubuntu desktop. >>> Wait till it works again one day ! >>> Henri >>> >> Well, thanks to Remastersys (check it out before it goes offline) I am >> back with working Quantal/KDE 4.10.5 but it irritates me no end that >> what is basically a KDE upgrade goes bonkers in what is core >> techniques - akonadi/nepomuk >> >> who in the name of all gods did REMOVE the facility to limit virtuoso >> memory usage? What is akonadi-tags and what are they good for? Why is >> Kmail suddenly giving me truckloads of results from my mail data when >> I want a Contact in a mail? >> >> And so on >> >> Sinclair > I can run it now after getting rid of ubuntu-desktop gdm and lightdm but > I have still a problem : no windows bordure (i installed kde-full), i > guess it's a problem of compositing ? > Henri > I have given up for now. I will stay where I am until 14.04 if it arrives as Kubuntu. Then I might just go through the whole "new fresh user recreate all accounts import all old data" procedure. At this moment I do not feel like doing that as the possible benefits of 13.10 for my hardware and software does not justify that. From ulrich.gruen at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 12:06:53 2013 From: ulrich.gruen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrich_Gr=FCn?=) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 14:06:53 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released In-Reply-To: <52624593.9080300@gmail.com> References: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> <52622131.2080604@gmail.com> <52622FE7.9090306@free.fr> <526232F4.2010608@gmail.com> <52623CC2.7080108@free.fr> <52624593.9080300@gmail.com> Message-ID: High all, is waiting until the worst 13.10-bugs are being fixed, and then upgrading, the solution? I do the daily life with 12.04 (for stability reason), and as second boot option I have 13.04 and soon 13.10. This way it is no problem if not everything is working perfectly within a week of the 13.10-release. -- नमस्ते (Namasté), Ulrich ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø " Can't talk to you without talking to me; we're guilty of the same old thing. Thinking a lot about less and less, and forgetting the Love we bring " [Grateful Dead, in: 'Althea'] ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø www.santodaime.nl www.jozefrulof-boeken.nl OS: Kubuntu 12.04 (Linux) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Sat Oct 19 15:55:23 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:55:23 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 13.10 is released In-Reply-To: References: <20131017140355.GO13187@starsky.19inch.net> <3754223.zRdsLHFGxx@lindsay-office> <52622131.2080604@gmail.com> <52622FE7.9090306@free.fr> <526232F4.2010608@gmail.com> <52623CC2.7080108@free.fr> <52624593.9080300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5262AB6B.40502@xs4all.nl> On 19/10/13 14:06, Ulrich Grün wrote: > High all, > > is waiting until the worst 13.10-bugs are being fixed, and then > upgrading, the solution? > I do the daily life with 12.04 (for stability reason), and as second > boot option I have 13.04 and soon 13.10. > This way it is no problem if not everything is working perfectly > within a week of the 13.10-release. > > > -- > नमस्ते (Namasté), > Ulrich Hey Ulrich, thats a reasonably simple solution, and I think Ubuntu keeps as many kernels as you want. Fedora keeps only a few (I think 3 or so). The caveat is, that as the kernel/releases progress, the utils will no longer fit the old kernels. Not sure how fast that occurs, but something to watch out for, if you start getting weird responses from the kernel. Guus. From basroufs at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 20:26:19 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 22:26:19 +0200 Subject: Still 100% CPU when using Kontact - nearly SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> References: <3755964.OcRDvJlgnC@viaconsensus-iter> <1459670.1XTM0tqLMK@linux1> Message-ID: <1982054.ztYKlsayjV@viaconsensus-iter> Hello Everybody Now it ís another good moment to update you with my findings - simply by replying one of your mails in this thread. > You have any idea how long you've been operating with the same > $HOME disk? The $HOME I am working with right now, is about 2 months old maximum - it has been created by a fresh install of Kubuntu 13.04. About 2 to 4 times per I make a fresh installs with the latest 'stable' version of Kubuntu at both of my laptops. > > Reason I ask is that when I moved to 13.10 BETA, I ran into some > severe CPU problems with MYSQL and Akonadi and Nepomuk > trying to figure things out. Never had the problem in 13.04 but I > had other problems like search not working in KMAIL. Exactly this kind of complications have caused me to regularly put a fresh install of Kubuntu at my computers - making a fresh install is less time consuming than trying to solve the kind of problems you refer to above Yesterday, I upgraded to Kubuntu Saucy, 13.10, along with KDE 4.11.2. So far, I do not have any major complications with Kontact and other applications - this has probably to do with three recent measures: * the fresh install of Kubuntu 13.04 at this machine in August or September; * the recent renaming and recreation of the nepomuk folder dealt with in this thread; * about 2 -3 weeks ago, I already upgraded to KDE 4.11.2 via a ppa backport in 13.04, because it became clear to me that that version of KDE contained various improvements, stabilisations and bug fixes. I must say, I do observe some major progress with respect to Kontact along with MySQL and Nepumuk. I can work quite well now - without the blocks, glitches and setbacks from this summer. I am quickly writing this mail without delay, while multitasking - VLC is playing an online radio station, Firefox is working as well and Nepomuk indexing goes more quickly and smoothly in the background. On the other hand, the average CPU consumption is about 80% and still often peaks to 100% - so this issue is still a point of attention. > Today I started from scratch an rebuilt my entire $HOME disk, with > a lot of referencing to my old one to determine settings for KMAIL > and desktop frills. Now things are working like a charm. The above sounds interesting. What about the CPU consumption at that configuration? However it may be. Soon, I want to carry out a fresh install of Kubuntu 13.10 at both of my machines. I am considering to carry out 'manual' installs - with a view to getting separate HOME partitions. When taking into account the above, do I need to create 2 HOME partitions? Or do I need to create 1 HOME partition and another EXT4 data partition with 'references' to the HOME partition? How can I create such 'references'? In other words: how can I create such a configuration, that the CPU consumption can drop to a bit more reasonable level? > > When I went into my old $HOME to search for some things, I found > that the layout (directory names and organization) were no where > NEAR what they are under a clean $HOME. Totally different and I > am surprised that the old one ran as well as it did. > > Just saying.... it might be time to clean house. 'Cleaning house' is something I do regularly anyway - as you can see above. But I would like to know anyway more about the way you use 'old' and 'new' home partitions to ensure a smooth operation of Kontact, Nepomuk and MySQL. Taking into account the still high CPU consumption at the laptop I work with right now, some more optimisation still must be possible. Have a good weekend! Respectfully yours, Bas. -- */Bas G. Roufs /* Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com[1]; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; T. +31 30 785 20 40. -------- [1] mailto:BasRoufs at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phb at hbsys.plus.com Mon Oct 21 11:25:50 2013 From: phb at hbsys.plus.com (Peter Hillier-Brook) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:25:50 +0100 Subject: Musical start-up Message-ID: <52650F3E.1070009@hbsys.plus.com> Since upgrading to 13.10 I've lost the merrie melody (with acknowledgements to Warner Brothers) at start-up. Can someone advise me where the switch is located, please? Peter HB From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon Oct 21 18:35:14 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:35:14 -0400 Subject: What a bunch of Horse-Hockey!!! Message-ID: <1776884.YocPX1sTaX@linux1> 1) I just went to write a new email, and there was a flashing message saying "you do not have semantic desktop system enabled. The following may not work: recipient auto-completion Distribution Lists Per-contact cryto references (huh??)" It took me about TEN TRIES to read all of the above message because this message pops up for ONE SECOND about every TWELVE seconds. Pretty damn ridiculous!!! And they give you a button to click to 'configure' the semantic desktop but you have to be REALLY QUICK because it goes away faster than you can move the cursor. So I opened 'system settings' and checked the desktop settings... everything is turned on. When I finally did click on the elusive button, it gave me the same window as system settings... Ok, but what isn't configured properly. In the meantime, while writing this note, that *)&*^&%$ window keeps popping up and making it a bit tough to write an email. Who thought up this malarky?? And today is the first time I have seen it so it must be something new added to Kmail. ARRRGGGHHH!!! -- "A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around three times before lying down." -Robert Benchley From chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 22 07:31:42 2013 From: chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk (Chris Luck) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:31:42 +0100 Subject: Musical start-up In-Reply-To: <52650F3E.1070009@hbsys.plus.com> References: <52650F3E.1070009@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: On 21/10/13 12:25, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > Since upgrading to 13.10 I've lost the merrie melody (with > acknowledgements to Warner Brothers) at start-up. Can someone advise > me where the switch is located, please? I missed it too, I find it useful as an indicator of the system being fully fired-up and ready to go. System Settings-> 'Application and System Notifications' (third button, top row). This opens on the 'Manage Notifications' page and 'Applications' tab. In the Event Source drop-down list select 'KDE Workspace'. Select the 'Login' event, check-mark the 'Play a sound' box. -- Regards, Chris Luck From phb at hbsys.plus.com Tue Oct 22 14:46:40 2013 From: phb at hbsys.plus.com (Peter Hillier-Brook) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:46:40 +0100 Subject: Musical start-up In-Reply-To: References: <52650F3E.1070009@hbsys.plus.com> Message-ID: <52668FD0.8070703@hbsys.plus.com> On 22/10/13 08:31, Chris Luck wrote: > On 21/10/13 12:25, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: >> Since upgrading to 13.10 I've lost the merrie melody (with >> acknowledgements to Warner Brothers) at start-up. Can someone advise >> me where the switch is located, please? > > > I missed it too, I find it useful as an indicator of the system being > fully fired-up and ready to go. > > System Settings-> > 'Application and System Notifications' (third button, top row). > This opens on the 'Manage Notifications' page and 'Applications' tab. > In the Event Source drop-down list select 'KDE Workspace'. > Select the 'Login' event, check-mark the 'Play a sound' box. Thanks a lot, Chris. This sort of change on upgrades is very irritating, isn't it? Peter HB From shadowm at wi.rr.com Tue Oct 22 15:11:22 2013 From: shadowm at wi.rr.com (Glenn Holmer) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:11:22 -0500 Subject: What a bunch of Horse-Hockey!!! In-Reply-To: <1776884.YocPX1sTaX@linux1> References: <1776884.YocPX1sTaX@linux1> Message-ID: <5266959A.7000509@wi.rr.com> On 10/21/2013 01:35 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > 1) I just went to write a new email, and there was a flashing message saying > "you do not have semantic desktop system enabled. The following may not work: Why torture yourself? Turn off desktop search and install Thunderbird. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Oct 22 15:25:00 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:25 -0400 Subject: What a bunch of Horse-Hockey!!! In-Reply-To: <5266959A.7000509@wi.rr.com> References: <1776884.YocPX1sTaX@linux1> <5266959A.7000509@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <8380812.CdAo2S1NKq@linux1> On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:11:22 AM Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 10/21/2013 01:35 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > 1) I just went to write a new email, and there was a flashing message > > saying > > "you do not have semantic desktop system enabled. The following may not work: > Why torture yourself? Turn off desktop search and install Thunderbird. I would agree with that... Kmail has come to a dead-end with over- complication. -- "I've learned- that it takes years to build up trust, and only suspicion, not proof, to destroy it." From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 08:30:32 2013 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 04:30:32 -0400 Subject: What a bunch of Horse-Hockey!!! In-Reply-To: <8380812.CdAo2S1NKq@linux1> References: <1776884.YocPX1sTaX@linux1> <5266959A.7000509@wi.rr.com> <8380812.CdAo2S1NKq@linux1> Message-ID: If you want to get away from KMail and still stay within the Qt (KDE) universe, I hear good things about http://trojita.flaska.net/ James Cain On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:11:22 AM Glenn Holmer wrote: > > On 10/21/2013 01:35 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > > 1) I just went to write a new email, and there was a flashing message > > > saying > > > "you do not have semantic desktop system enabled. The following may not > work: > > Why torture yourself? Turn off desktop search and install Thunderbird. > > I would agree with that... Kmail has come to a dead-end with over- > complication. > > > -- > "I've learned- that it takes years to build up trust, and only > suspicion, not proof, to destroy it." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 20:50:37 2013 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:50:37 -0600 Subject: network monitor colours Message-ID: <5268369D.5080505@gmail.com> For no reason that I can fathom, when I logged out and back in today, the colours on the network monitor plasmoid changed. Where is the init file (or equivalent) that I can edit to change the colours back to something more reasonable? Doc PS Probably related, but equally unfathomable, is that the backgrounds of the my panels changed from a grey colour to black. I don't really mind that change, but the colour(s) of the network monitor plasmoids no longer contrast enough with the background to be obvious at a glance. -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 263 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Thu Oct 24 06:14:47 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:14:47 +0200 Subject: network monitor colours In-Reply-To: <5268369D.5080505@gmail.com> References: <5268369D.5080505@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Doc, On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:50 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > For no reason that I can fathom, when I logged out and back in today, the > colours on the network monitor plasmoid changed. > > Where is the init file (or equivalent) that I can edit to change the colours > back to something more reasonable? > > Doc > > PS Probably related, but equally unfathomable, is that the backgrounds of the > my panels changed from a grey colour to black. I don't really mind that > change, but the colour(s) of the network monitor plasmoids no longer contrast > enough with the background to be obvious at a glance. Did you try just to log out of KDE and back in again to see if that helps? If you didn't change anything in your color theme this shouldn't happen. No updates performed before the last logout? How about telling us your KDE version and color scheme? Everything else is guessing. FWIW: color is changed in the system settings -> application appearance Regards, Myriam PS. Folks, we can't remember the individual versions for everybody on the list, so at least the version and other relevant details like the above is needed -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From danielhollocher at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 14:47:42 2013 From: danielhollocher at gmail.com (Daniel Hollocher) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:47:42 -0400 Subject: multiple desktops with icons Message-ID: Hi all, So I'm brand new to kde. I'm giving it a try because I want to have different icon sets on different workspaces (ie, a task oriented setup). So, when I first started up, I looked for the setting here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1439279 but couldn't find it. I also noticed that my icons on the desktop were missing. BUT, then I noticed there was a window with my icons in it. I tried to drag it to the corner, and make it bigger to take up the whole desktop, but then it disappeared, and now my icons are missing. I've noticed the Activities feature, which looks like what I might want, but I can't figure out how to get icons on the desktop. Am-I-doing-it-wrong? Dan PS - a few other issues: I tried to change the default browser to chrome, but the menu still just opens Rekonq The copy for joining this mailing list includes a blurb about joining Sounder for more offtopic discussions, but that list is obsolete/shutdown: "This is a technical support list. Please keep any off-topic Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Linux/FOSS subjects in the appropriate list(s), such as Sounder https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doc.evans at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 14:49:55 2013 From: doc.evans at gmail.com (D. R. Evans) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:49:55 -0600 Subject: network monitor colours In-Reply-To: References: <5268369D.5080505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52693393.2030904@gmail.com> Myriam Schweingruber said the following at 10/24/2013 12:14 AM : > > Did you try just to log out of KDE and back in again to see if that > helps? If you didn't change anything in your color theme this Yes; logging out and back in is exactly what caused the change in colours. > shouldn't happen. No updates performed before the last logout? > There were probably a bunch of updates. I certainly didn't change anything in my colour theme. I never mess with that stuff after the initial setup (several years ago, now). I log out only when the system tells me that a reboot is necessary or if I'm testing something that requires a logout and/or reboot. In this case I logged out (rebooted, actually) because I wanted to test whether my new ZFS filesystem would be auto-remounted on boot. > How about telling us your KDE version and color scheme? Everything > else is guessing. > I have no idea about colour schemes; I never mess with that stuff, so it's whatever is the default. The version is whatever is current for 13.04. I don't immediately see anything that tells me explicitly what version of KDE I'm running, but it's definitely whatever is current for 13.04. > FWIW: color is changed in the system settings -> application appearance > That seems like something very generic, but I don't see anything in there that suggests that it's the colours for the network monitor. There must some file somewhere where those colours are stored, but what that file is isn't obvious. That's really my question: where are the colours for the network monitor application stored? Doc -- Web: http://www.sff.net/people/N7DR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 263 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From littlergirl at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 20:04:18 2013 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:04:18 -0400 Subject: multiple desktops with icons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52697d42.840fe00a.343f.3299@mx.google.com> Hey there, Daniel Hollocher wrote: > So I'm brand new to kde. I'm giving it a try because I want to have > different icon sets on different workspaces (ie, a task oriented > setup). So, when I first started up, I looked for the setting here: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1439279 > but couldn't find it. I can't help with this part since all I've managed to do is lose all my icons each time I tried it, so hopefully someone else will jump in and help with it. (: > I also noticed that my icons on the desktop were missing. BUT, > then I noticed there was a window with my icons in it. I tried > to drag it to the corner, and make it bigger to take up the whole > desktop, but then it disappeared, and now my icons are missing. > I've noticed the Activities feature, which looks like what I might > want, but I can't figure out how to get icons on the desktop. You can try this to see if it works: 1) Left-click the Activities toolbox in the upper right corner of the desktop. 2) Look at the menu that opens. 3) If you see a Desktop Settings entry, left-click it to open the Desktop Settings window. 4) If you see an Unlock Widgets button at the top of the window, left-click it so that you can make changes. If you don't see one, go to the next step. 5) Left-click the Desktop selector next to Layout to open a menu of layout choices. 6) Left-click Folder View in the menu to choose it. 7) Left-click the Apply button. 8) Left-click the OK button. 9) If you didn't need to click the Unlock Widgets button in step 4, then you're done. If you clicked the Unlock Widgets button in step 4, then right-click your panel at the bottom of your desktop to open its menu, hover your mouse over Panel Options to display its sub-menu, and left-click Lock Widgets to lock them again. If all went well, your icons should now be on your desktop. I hope that's what you wanted. If it's not, then follow those steps again, but replace Desktop with Folder View and replace Folder View with Desktop when following them to put everything back the way it was before you began. > PS - a few other issues: > I tried to change the default browser to chrome, but the menu still > just opens Rekonq Which menu still opens Rekonq? Also, is there an entry for Chrome in the Internet sub-menu of the K menu? -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 03:39:21 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 05:39:21 +0200 Subject: multiple desktops with icons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5269E7E9.5010309@gmail.com> On 10/24/2013 04:47 PM, Daniel Hollocher wrote: > Hi all, > So I'm brand new to kde. I'm giving it a try because I want to have > different icon sets on different workspaces (ie, a task oriented setup). > So, when I first started up, I looked for the setting here: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1439279 > but couldn't find it. > > I also noticed that my icons on the desktop were missing. BUT, then I > noticed there was a window with my icons in it. I tried to drag it to > the corner, and make it bigger to take up the whole desktop, but then it > disappeared, and now my icons are missing. > > I've noticed the Activities feature, which looks like what I might want, > but I can't figure out how to get icons on the desktop. > > Am-I-doing-it-wrong? > > Dan > > PS - a few other issues: > I tried to change the default browser to chrome, but the menu still just > opens Rekonq > The copy for joining this mailing list includes a blurb about joining > Sounder for more offtopic discussions, but that list is obsolete/shutdown: > "This is a technical support list. Please keep any off-topic > Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Linux/FOSS subjects in the appropriate list(s), such as > Sounder https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder > " > > On the "different set of desktop icons" - I have different widgets, icons etc on different virtual desktops. The setting is in System Settings - Workspace Behaviour - Virtual Desktops. Click on "Different Widgets for each Desktop". Note that if you do this after you set too many Desktop things up you may have to redo them. kind regards Sinclair From danielhollocher at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 05:05:10 2013 From: danielhollocher at gmail.com (Daniel Hollocher) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:05:10 -0400 Subject: multiple desktops with icons In-Reply-To: <5269E7E9.5010309@gmail.com> References: <5269E7E9.5010309@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Littlegirl, Sinclair, These two tips are very much spot on. Thanks! I'm starting to get a better hang of it. Dan On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 10/24/2013 04:47 PM, Daniel Hollocher wrote: > >> Hi all, >> So I'm brand new to kde. I'm giving it a try because I want to have >> different icon sets on different workspaces (ie, a task oriented setup). >> So, when I first started up, I looked for the setting here: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/**showthread.php?t=1439279 >> > >> but couldn't find it. >> >> >> I also noticed that my icons on the desktop were missing. BUT, then I >> noticed there was a window with my icons in it. I tried to drag it to >> the corner, and make it bigger to take up the whole desktop, but then it >> disappeared, and now my icons are missing. >> >> I've noticed the Activities feature, which looks like what I might want, >> but I can't figure out how to get icons on the desktop. >> >> Am-I-doing-it-wrong? >> >> Dan >> >> PS - a few other issues: >> I tried to change the default browser to chrome, but the menu still just >> opens Rekonq >> The copy for joining this mailing list includes a blurb about joining >> Sounder for more offtopic discussions, but that list is obsolete/shutdown: >> "This is a technical support list. Please keep any off-topic >> Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Linux/FOSS subjects in the appropriate list(s), such as >> Sounder https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/sounder >> " >> >> >> On the "different set of desktop icons" - I have different widgets, > icons etc on different virtual desktops. The setting is in > System Settings - Workspace Behaviour - Virtual Desktops. Click on > "Different Widgets for each Desktop". > > Note that if you do this after you set too many Desktop things up you may > have to redo them. > > kind regards > Sinclair > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Fri Oct 25 07:27:01 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:27:01 +0200 Subject: network monitor colours In-Reply-To: <52693393.2030904@gmail.com> References: <5268369D.5080505@gmail.com> <52693393.2030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Doc, On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > Myriam Schweingruber said the following at 10/24/2013 12:14 AM : ... >> How about telling us your KDE version and color scheme? Everything >> else is guessing. > > I have no idea about colour schemes; I never mess with that stuff, so it's > whatever is the default. That would be Oxygen, then. > The version is whatever is current for 13.04. I don't immediately see anything > that tells me explicitly what version of KDE I'm running, but it's definitely > whatever is current for 13.04. Well, in whatever KDE application you can see the current KDE version in the Help menu -> About KDE. Really, this is important, as there have been updates since the 13.04 release, and you didn't tell if you have the updates and backports PPAs enabled. So please, check your exact KDE version >> FWIW: color is changed in the system settings -> application appearance >> > > That seems like something very generic, but I don't see anything in there that > suggests that it's the colours for the network monitor. > > There must some file somewhere where those colours are stored, but what that > file is isn't obvious. That's really my question: where are the colours for > the network monitor application stored? There is no specific color theme for a widget, if you use a color theme this applies to all KDE applications. A screenshot could be useful, please store it on imgur and give a link to it. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 13:41:46 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:41:46 +0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi Message-ID: Hello Everybody, today, I am going to carry out a fresh, manual install of Kubuntu 13.10 at both of my laptops. I want to partition the HD in such a way that I can ensure Kontact and Akonadi working smoothly. One laptop has a HD of 250 GB, another one contains 500 GB HD. I am considering to partition the discs manually, as follows: - Root 60.000 MB, ext4, mount point /; - Swap 2000 MB, logical, location: 'beginning'; - Home the rest of the disc, logical. >From various contributions in the thread '100% CPU.....', I get the impression that it seems to be better to create a 4th partition: for the DATA of HOME, with 'symlinks' to the normal, 'original' HOME'. By doing so, Akonadi seems to work quite well, with less CPU consumption. Do I correctly summarise here the recent advises at this forum? If so, do I need to create a 4th partition when manually installing Kubuntu? Or is it better to split the HOME partition after installing the system? Another question puzzling me: how to create those so-called 'symlinks'? Thanks for replying. Have a good weekend. Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Oct 25 16:06:20 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:06:20 -0400 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> On Friday, October 25, 2013 03:46:57 PM Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > Root 60.000 MB, ext4, mount point /; > > Swap 2000 MB, logical, location: 'beginning'; > > How much RAM do you have? 2 GB for Swap seems not that much, the rule > is to have the double of the RAM up until 8 GB. I currently have 8 GB > of RAM and an equal amount of Swap space which runs quite smoothly. Really? I have 8GB of RAM and only 2GB of swap, but swap rarely gets used at all. (currently at 0 as I write this) I normally have 4 virt desktops going with an app or more in each of them. -- "Editing is a rewording activity." From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Oct 25 16:09:37 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:09:37 -0400 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1851028.hDo4lrLoT4@linux1> On Friday, October 25, 2013 03:41:46 PM Bas Roufs wrote: > One laptop has a HD of 250 GB, another one contains 500 GB HD. I am > considering to partition the discs manually, as follows: Root 60.000 MB, > ext4, mount point /; > Swap 2000 MB, logical, location: 'beginning'; > Home the rest of the disc, logical. Seems like a LOT for the root partition... but maybe you have special uses. I normally use a 20GB partition for root with a separate /home partition. And I normally use 1/2 of the 20gb which is pretty much all used for the system, no user data. -- "Your ridiculous little opinion has been noted." From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 17:19:17 2013 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:19:17 +0300 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> Message-ID: I have 30G for the root that is about half empty. The rest of my 250 G disk is /home, and 2G of swap. I also noticed that my swap is almost never used. Don't know why. I have 4G RAM. This is Dell inspiron 1520. Gk На 25.10.2013 19:07 "Bruce Marshall" написа: > On Friday, October 25, 2013 03:46:57 PM Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > > Root 60.000 MB, ext4, mount point /; > > > Swap 2000 MB, logical, location: 'beginning'; > > > > How much RAM do you have? 2 GB for Swap seems not that much, the rule > > is to have the double of the RAM up until 8 GB. I currently have 8 GB > > of RAM and an equal amount of Swap space which runs quite smoothly. > > Really? I have 8GB of RAM and only 2GB of swap, but swap rarely gets > used > at all. (currently at 0 as I write this) > > I normally have 4 virt desktops going with an app or more in each of them. > > > > -- > "Editing is a rewording activity." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrmazda at earthlink.net Fri Oct 25 17:52:35 2013 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:52:35 -0400 Subject: / and swap sizing (was: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best...) In-Reply-To: References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> Message-ID: <526AAFE3.7010006@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-25 20:19 (GMT+0300) Georgi Kourtev composed: > I have 30G for the root that is about half empty. The rest of my 250 G disk > is /home, and 2G of swap. I also noticed that my swap is almost never used. Allocating 2X RAM for swap is an ancient anachronism, invented for machines with only 4M or less of installed RAM. Ordinary users with 4G (1000X as much) installed who need swap ever are rare. This machine with 4G installed RAM running 6 web browsers, 200+ tabs, plus other running apps runs a 10G / 59% full, no swap enabled, and no observable performance loss from lack of enabled swap. Allocating some swap to catch potential memory leakers before locking a system up makes some sense, but it is rarely necessary for more users. One common use where enable swap *might* provide observable speedup is duplicating DVDs using one DVD drive, since a temp file in RAM instead of HD is seriously faster. Net result though, due to I/O bottleneck, isn't so much faster. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From basroufs at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 21:24:35 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 23:24:35 +0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> Message-ID: Dear Everybody, thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% CPU when using Kontact and Akonadi ', there was a suggestion like this one: > Today I started from scratch an rebuilt my entire $HOME disk, with > a lot of referencing to my old one to determine settings for KMAIL > and desktop frills. Now things are working like a charm. Another similar suggestion seems to work out this in more detail: > You mean that it is not possible in Kubuntu to create symlinks - for kmail, > whatever - to where you have your directories/data stored? > For example, I have had my irreplaceable data (like Thunderbird mail directories > and Firefox config files) sitting on a second HDD in a directory called Special > and my Documents, .thunderbird, .mozilla, Downloads, etc etc are all symlinked > to Special. > When I install a new version I don't have to worry about losing these > directories/data because they are never overwritten by the new installation. All I > do is create the symlinks in the newly created HOME. This approach interests me. However, I have just one HD on each of the 2 laptops where I want to carry out the fresh installation of Kubuntu 13.10. That's why, I am wondering whether I need to create a second data partition with 'symlinks' to Home and with some user specific data from Kontact and Firefox. Is it that partition that needs to stay untouched when carrying out next fresh installs with 14.04, 14.10, etc.? And: what exactly from Home do I need to 'symlink' to that extra data partition? Have a good weekend, Bas Roufs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rameshrao55 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 26 02:47:04 2013 From: rameshrao55 at hotmail.com (Ramesh Rao) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:47:04 +0000 Subject: Kubuntu 11.10 - Desktop Settings Message-ID: Hi all, I am running Kubuntu 11.10. I had the default Desktop Settings which, on the top left corner, showed home directory folders and files. This had a nice blue/green transparent look, and clicking on any folder would bring up "Dolphin" file manager. Suddenly I have lost this display on the desktop. How do I get this back? Thanks in advance for any help.. Ramesh Rao 937-434-6625 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sat Oct 26 04:42:04 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 04:42:04 +0000 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> Message-ID: <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> On 25/10/13 21:24, Bas Roufs wrote: > Dear Everybody, > > thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! > > For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home > partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% CPU > when using Kontact and Akonadi ', there was a suggestion like this one: > > > Today I started from scratch an rebuilt my entire $HOME disk, with > > a lot of referencing to my old one to determine settings for KMAIL > > and desktop frills. Now things are working like a charm. > > Another similar suggestion seems to work out this in more detail: > > > You mean that it is not possible in Kubuntu to create symlinks - for > kmail, > > whatever - to where you have your directories/data stored? > > > For example, I have had my irreplaceable data (like Thunderbird mail > directories > and Firefox config files) sitting on a second HDD in a > directory called Special > > and my Documents, .thunderbird, .mozilla, Downloads, etc etc are all > symlinked > to Special. > > > When I install a new version I don't have to worry about losing these > > directories/data because they are never overwritten by the new > installation. All I > do is create the symlinks in the newly created HOME. > > This approach interests me. However, I have just one HD on each of the > 2 laptops where I want to carry out the fresh installation of Kubuntu > 13.10. That's why, I am wondering whether I need to create a second > data partition with 'symlinks' to Home and with some user specific > data from Kontact and Firefox. Is it that partition that needs to stay > untouched when carrying out next fresh installs with 14.04, 14.10, etc.? > And: what exactly from Home do I need to 'symlink' to that extra data > partition? > > Have a good weekend, > Bas Roufs. > In your first post you mention that you have 2 computers one with a 250GB HDD and the other with 500GB. Now, that's a lot of space to play with. And this is fine - and it now comes down to how best utilise this space (on either of your computers - and how you do it is now up to you following what I state below). Firstly, forget about using the "/" (root) and the separate /home partitions. Like Felix said about the swap partition size this is now an anachronism. Just create a partition which is simply "/" (root) - and that's it. /home will be inside "/" and that's all you want. Now, I have yet to see a normal, home user's, system which requires a "/" partition of more than 20GB - but to play it safe I always create a 30GB partition for "/". With this figure in mind, you can now see that you can have something like 8 Linux systems installed on the 250GB HDD - if you were that way inclined of course :-) . While I suspect that in your case you wouldn't want 8 systems (I have 6 systems installed btw) on your computer I would suggest creating space for two (2) systems: one which will the current version of your system and the second will be the beta/rc/whatever of the NEXT version of the system. You can play around with the new version but you still have your current and fully working version available to use every day. And when the new version is released and finalised and you start using it on a daily basis and something goes wrong, you then have the "old" one to fall back on. OK, so you have all this space - how to utilise it? Here is my suggestion: * Create a SWAP partition of 4GB (probably totally unnecessary but you do have a lot of disc space to play around with); * Create a 30GB partition for your system, format it in ext4 and make this "/" (root); * Create a second 30GB partition and you can either format it as ext4 but do NOT mount it (in fstab) - this will be your spare partition for your second system; * Create a third partition of, say, 100GB and call this partition something like "Data" (which is what I call mine). This is where your will have your important folders in your real /home sysmlinked to. Format it in ext4; * Format the balance of your space in ext4 and call it, say, 'Spare'. This partition will be used to store any backups of files and whatever else you may think of. (Eg, I backup up my Firefox and Thunderbird files here as well as to an USB memory stick; also, copies of the Live CDs go here in case I need them at some later stage or if not then I simply delete them --- but you get the idea.) Of course you are free to play around with the sizes and the number of partitions I mention above - just adapt the idea to suit your requirements and needs. Now, re creating symlinks. To make so much easier for your self, install mc (Midnight Commander). mc has the ability to create sysmlinks for you: you simply type in where the symlink is to go and the name of file/folder you want the symlink to apply to. When you have installed mc click on the "box" (uppermost left) FILE and in the drop-down menu you will see Symlink - use this to create symlinks. (Of course there is a cli command which creates symlinks but it is a heck of a lot easier in mc as you can see both the source and the destination of the symslink (because mc has a split 'screen'). Which directories/folders to symlink? Anything which you consider as something which is not to be wiped out when you install a new version of the system. (BTW, using this symlink idea you can have several systems access the same data - eg, as I said I have 7 systems installed and 6 of them use the same data in the partition which I called Data [but a bit more on this below]). To be more precise, you would want to symlink /Documents, /Downloads, /.mozilla, /.thunderbird and anything else you want to keep without being disturbed or overwritten when a new version is installed. But do NOT keep any configuration files (eg /.kde4, /.thumbnails, etc - that is anything which may be considered as baggage which may stuff your installation of the new system. Juat a bit more about the partition called Data which will contain your important folders (Documents, Downloads,....). In the partition called Data create a folder called, say (it's up to you), Alpha. When you create a symlink in your real /home folder the symlink will point to /Data/Alpha/. Let's take an example - you are creating a symlink for the folder Downloads in your real /home. The symlink would point to /Data/Alpha/Downloads and in your real /home there will be an entry '~Downloads'. (There is a "catch" when creating symlinks: you need to delete the folder called Downloads before you can create the symlink otherwise the process will abort and tell you that such a directory/folder already exists. Here the thing to remember is to copy, or move, Downloads to Alpha then delete Downloads in /home and then create the symlink. IF this sounds complicated it isn't - it's just a bit messy trying to write it all down :-) . When it comes the time just ask and the "mystery" will be explained :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From rameshrao55 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 26 05:02:52 2013 From: rameshrao55 at hotmail.com (Ramesh Rao) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 05:02:52 +0000 Subject: Problem Installing google-chrome-stable Message-ID: I am on Kubuntu 11.10. While trying to upgrade google-chrome-stable, accidentally I happen to delete the existing version. On subsequent install of latest stable version, i repeatedly get following error message: ============================================ "Unable to obtain package sys... Another application seems to be using the package system at this time. You must close all other package managers before you will be able to install or remove any packages." ============================================ I have rebooted the system but same message appears. Perhaps a runway package manager process is still running. How do I kill the old, offending package manager process? What would be the exact process name? I could perhaps use "System Monitor" to identify the process and the perhaps kill it - if only I know the process name. Thanks for any help. Ramesh 937-434-6625 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Sat Oct 26 06:13:08 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:13:08 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 11.10 - Desktop Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ramesh, On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Ramesh Rao wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running Kubuntu 11.10. And that is the problem: the 11.10 has reached its End Of Life in May 2013 already, you really should upgrade as there is no more support for this version, and you will not get any security updates either. Please upgrade your system first. Current is 13.10 (EOL July 2014), LTS is 12.04.3 (EOL April 2017) Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 06:47:54 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:47:54 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu 11.10 - Desktop Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526B659A.4060507@gmail.com> On 10/26/2013 04:47 AM, Ramesh Rao wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running Kubuntu 11.10. I had the default Desktop Settings which, on > the top left corner, showed home directory folders and files. This > had a nice blue/green transparent look, and clicking on any folder would > bring up "Dolphin" file manager. > > Suddenly I have lost this display on the desktop. How do I get this > back? > It sounds like you lost the "Folder View" widget - unlock widgets and add it to your desktop Regards Sinclair From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 06:49:46 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:49:46 +0200 Subject: Problem Installing google-chrome-stable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526B660A.6090409@gmail.com> On 10/26/2013 07:02 AM, Ramesh Rao wrote: > I am on Kubuntu 11.10. While trying to upgrade google-chrome-stable, > accidentally I happen to delete the existing version. On subsequent > install of latest stable version, i repeatedly get following error message: > > ============================================ > "Unable to obtain package sys... > > Another application seems to be using the package system at this time. > You must close all other package managers before you will be able to > install or remove any packages." > ============================================ > > I have rebooted the system but same message appears. Perhaps a runway > package manager process is still running. > > How do I kill the old, offending package manager process? What would be > the exact process name? > > I could perhaps use "System Monitor" to identify the process and the > perhaps kill it - if only I know the process name. > from Konsole commandline try with apt-get install google-chrome-stable and see what error message you get. Likely you have a file that is locked due to some failed installation. Delete that file and try again Regards Sinclair From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Sat Oct 26 08:50:48 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:50:48 +0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <526B8268.5080006@xs4all.nl> On 26/10/13 06:42, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 25/10/13 21:24, Bas Roufs wrote: > > In your first post you mention that you have 2 computers one with a > 250GB HDD and the other with 500GB. > > Now, that's a lot of space to play with. And this is fine - and it now > comes down to how best utilise this space (on either of your computers > - and how you do it is now up to you following what I state below). > > Firstly, forget about using the "/" (root) and the separate /home > partitions. Like Felix said about the swap partition size this is now > an anachronism. Just create a partition which is simply "/" (root) - > and that's it. /home will be inside "/" and that's all you want. > > Now, I have yet to see a normal, home user's, system which requires a > "/" partition of more than 20GB - but to play it safe I always create > a 30GB partition for "/". With this figure in mind, you can now see > that you can have something like 8 Linux systems installed on the > 250GB HDD - if you were that way inclined of course :-) . > > While I suspect that in your case you wouldn't want 8 systems (I have > 6 systems installed btw) on your computer I would suggest creating > space for two (2) systems: one which will the current version of your > system and the second will be the beta/rc/whatever of the NEXT version > of the system. You can play around with the new version but you still > have your current and fully working version available to use every > day. And when the new version is released and finalised and you start > using it on a daily basis and something goes wrong, you then have the > "old" one to fall back on. > > OK, so you have all this space - how to utilise it? Here is my > suggestion: > > * Create a SWAP partition of 4GB (probably totally unnecessary but you > do have a lot of disc space to play around with); > > * Create a 30GB partition for your system, format it in ext4 and make > this "/" (root); > > * Create a second 30GB partition and you can either format it as ext4 > but do NOT mount it (in fstab) - this will be your spare partition for > your second system; > > * Create a third partition of, say, 100GB and call this partition > something like "Data" (which is what I call mine). This is where your > will have your important folders in your real /home sysmlinked to. > Format it in ext4; > > * Format the balance of your space in ext4 and call it, say, 'Spare'. > This partition will be used to store any backups of files and whatever > else you may think of. (Eg, I backup up my Firefox and Thunderbird > files here as well as to an USB memory stick; also, copies of the Live > CDs go here in case I need them at some later stage or if not then I > simply delete them --- but you get the idea.) > > Of course you are free to play around with the sizes and the number of > partitions I mention above - just adapt the idea to suit your > requirements and needs. > > Now, re creating symlinks. > > To make so much easier for your self, install mc (Midnight Commander). > mc has the ability to create sysmlinks for you: you simply type in > where the symlink is to go and the name of file/folder you want the > symlink to apply to. When you have installed mc click on the "box" > (uppermost left) FILE and in the drop-down menu you will see Symlink - > use this to create symlinks. (Of course there is a cli command which > creates symlinks but it is a heck of a lot easier in mc as you can see > both the source and the destination of the symslink (because mc has a > split 'screen'). > > Which directories/folders to symlink? Anything which you consider as > something which is not to be wiped out when you install a new version > of the system. (BTW, using this symlink idea you can have several > systems access the same data - eg, as I said I have 7 systems > installed and 6 of them use the same data in the partition which I > called Data [but a bit more on this below]). To be more precise, you > would want to symlink /Documents, /Downloads, /.mozilla, /.thunderbird > and anything else you want to keep without being disturbed or > overwritten when a new version is installed. > > But do NOT keep any configuration files (eg /.kde4, /.thumbnails, etc > - that is anything which may be considered as baggage which may stuff > your installation of the new system. > > Juat a bit more about the partition called Data which will contain > your important folders (Documents, Downloads,....). > > In the partition called Data create a folder called, say (it's up to > you), Alpha. When you create a symlink in your real /home folder the > symlink will point to /Data/Alpha/. Let's take an example > - you are creating a symlink for the folder Downloads in your real > /home. The symlink would point to /Data/Alpha/Downloads and in your > real /home there will be an entry '~Downloads'. > > (There is a "catch" when creating symlinks: you need to delete the > folder called Downloads before you can create the symlink otherwise > the process will abort and tell you that such a directory/folder > already exists. Here the thing to remember is to copy, or move, > Downloads to Alpha then delete Downloads in /home and then create the > symlink. IF this sounds complicated it isn't - it's just a bit messy > trying to write it all down :-) . When it comes the time just ask and > the "mystery" will be explained :-) . > > BC > Basil, Thank you very much. I have been using Linux for a long time now, but always had a separate partition for /home. Your setup eliminates the problem of having old configuration files for the graphical environment. I especially like the way you can set up several systems: I am definitely going to use that. I do have a few points though where things are not completely clear to me: 1. When I partition /home separately, I know my home directory will have different file permission from a different user, say, Daniel. So when Daniel logs on, he cannot access my files, and I cannot access his files. If you have one partition for data, this does not apply. How do you do that? Or you have only one user on your system? Then it is easy. 2. Some of the directories like .kde have hidden data directories. For instance Kontakt by default stores its data somewhere below .kde. Do you symlink that separately? I have also considered using a main data directory from my server (just a home server, nothing fancy), because it has a raid setup. But it has the same file permission problems that I describe in point 1. I can either mount it -o uid=1000,gid=1000 or uid=1001,gid=1001, but not both. Regards, Guus. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sat Oct 26 11:18:17 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:18:17 +0000 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526B8268.5080006@xs4all.nl> References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> <526B8268.5080006@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <526BA4F9.4020004@iinet.net.au> On 26/10/13 08:50, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 26/10/13 06:42, Basil Chupin wrote: [pruned] >> >> In the partition called Data create a folder called, say (it's up to >> you), Alpha. When you create a symlink in your real /home folder the >> symlink will point to /Data/Alpha/. Let's take an >> example - you are creating a symlink for the folder Downloads in your >> real /home. The symlink would point to /Data/Alpha/Downloads and in >> your real /home there will be an entry '~Downloads'. >> >> (There is a "catch" when creating symlinks: you need to delete the >> folder called Downloads before you can create the symlink otherwise >> the process will abort and tell you that such a directory/folder >> already exists. Here the thing to remember is to copy, or move, >> Downloads to Alpha then delete Downloads in /home and then create the >> symlink. IF this sounds complicated it isn't - it's just a bit messy >> trying to write it all down :-) . When it comes the time just ask and >> the "mystery" will be explained :-) . >> >> BC >> > Basil, > > Thank you very much. I have been using Linux for a long time now, but > always had a separate partition for /home. Your setup eliminates the > problem of having old configuration files for the graphical environment. > I especially like the way you can set up several systems: I am > definitely going to use that. > > I do have a few points though where things are not completely clear to > me: > > 1. When I partition /home separately, I know my home directory will > have different file permission from a different user, say, Daniel. So > when Daniel logs on, he cannot access my files, and I cannot access > his files. > If you have one partition for data, this does not apply. How do you do > that? Or you have only one user on your system? Then it is easy. Yes, I am the only user of the system. But there is no problem with having more than the one user. Don't forget that the Data partition is just that - a big partition. And within that partition you would create Alpha for User #1, Beta for User #2, and so on and you would then symlink from each user's /home to the appropriate directory Alpha, Beta and so on. And each of these will have a different owner and only s/he will have access to it using the permissions the root would assign to each directory. For example, at one stage I had my wife also use my computer (hers was kinda busted....) and she couldn't access my home and I couldn't access hers (although as root I could always sneak in and have a peek at what she was doing O:-) .) > 2. Some of the directories like .kde have hidden data directories. For > instance Kontakt by default stores its data somewhere below .kde. Do > you symlink that separately? I have never symlinked any of these hidden directories except for .mozilla and .thunderbird because they contain settings and mail for these apps. In fact these 2 directories, .mozilla and .thunderbird have been with me since before 2001 when I was running Windows and started to use Linux when I then transferred these 2 directories in full to Linux (the format of the files is identical in both Windows and Linux). However, if you think that the data in some hidden directories is important then symlink them. Up to you. But I will state this: there is one hidden directory which while I do not symlink I do keep a copy of on an USB memory stick. This is the /.kde4/share/wallpapers. I do this because I have added many wallpapers from a variety of sources to the default ones which come or even downloaded for the system; I have even taken photos and using gimp "converted" them into wallpapers. So, I keep this wallpapers directory on a stick and copy them to the new system so that I can continue to use my favourite wallpapers. (BTW, you will also find that the wallpapers in Windows, say 7, are in .png format and can therefore be used if you are so inclined.) > I have also considered using a main data directory from my server > (just a home server, nothing fancy), because it has a raid setup. But > it has the same file permission problems that I describe in point 1. I > can either mount it -o uid=1000,gid=1000 or uid=1001,gid=1001, but not > both. Now this is beyond my scope, RAID and server I mean :-) . However, would my answer above to (1) not work also on a server? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From gbonnema at xs4all.nl Sat Oct 26 11:42:12 2013 From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (A.J. Bonnema) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:42:12 +0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526BA4F9.4020004@iinet.net.au> References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> <526B8268.5080006@xs4all.nl> <526BA4F9.4020004@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <526BAA94.5060507@xs4all.nl> On 26/10/13 13:18, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 26/10/13 08:50, A.J. Bonnema wrote: >> On 26/10/13 06:42, Basil Chupin wrote: > > [pruned] > >>> >>> In the partition called Data create a folder called, say (it's up to >>> you), Alpha. When you create a symlink in your real /home folder the >>> symlink will point to /Data/Alpha/. Let's take an >>> example - you are creating a symlink for the folder Downloads in >>> your real /home. The symlink would point to /Data/Alpha/Downloads >>> and in your real /home there will be an entry '~Downloads'. >>> >>> (There is a "catch" when creating symlinks: you need to delete the >>> folder called Downloads before you can create the symlink otherwise >>> the process will abort and tell you that such a directory/folder >>> already exists. Here the thing to remember is to copy, or move, >>> Downloads to Alpha then delete Downloads in /home and then create >>> the symlink. IF this sounds complicated it isn't - it's just a bit >>> messy trying to write it all down :-) . When it comes the time just >>> ask and the "mystery" will be explained :-) . >>> >>> BC >>> >> Basil, >> >> Thank you very much. I have been using Linux for a long time now, but >> always had a separate partition for /home. Your setup eliminates the >> problem of having old configuration files for the graphical environment. >> I especially like the way you can set up several systems: I am >> definitely going to use that. >> >> I do have a few points though where things are not completely clear >> to me: >> >> 1. When I partition /home separately, I know my home directory will >> have different file permission from a different user, say, Daniel. So >> when Daniel logs on, he cannot access my files, and I cannot access >> his files. >> If you have one partition for data, this does not apply. How do you >> do that? Or you have only one user on your system? Then it is easy. > > Yes, I am the only user of the system. > > But there is no problem with having more than the one user. > > Don't forget that the Data partition is just that - a big partition. > And within that partition you would create Alpha for User #1, Beta for > User #2, and so on and you would then symlink from each user's /home > to the appropriate directory Alpha, Beta and so on. And each of these > will have a different owner and only s/he will have access to it using > the permissions the root would assign to each directory. For example, > at one stage I had my wife also use my computer (hers was kinda > busted....) and she couldn't access my home and I couldn't access hers > (although as root I could always sneak in and have a peek at what she > was doing O:-) .) > >> 2. Some of the directories like .kde have hidden data directories. >> For instance Kontakt by default stores its data somewhere below .kde. >> Do you symlink that separately? > > I have never symlinked any of these hidden directories except for > .mozilla and .thunderbird because they contain settings and mail for > these apps. In fact these 2 directories, .mozilla and .thunderbird > have been with me since before 2001 when I was running Windows and > started to use Linux when I then transferred these 2 directories in > full to Linux (the format of the files is identical in both Windows > and Linux). > > However, if you think that the data in some hidden directories is > important then symlink them. Up to you. > > But I will state this: there is one hidden directory which while I do > not symlink I do keep a copy of on an USB memory stick. This is the > /.kde4/share/wallpapers. I do this because I have added many > wallpapers from a variety of sources to the default ones which come or > even downloaded for the system; I have even taken photos and using > gimp "converted" them into wallpapers. So, I keep this wallpapers > directory on a stick and copy them to the new system so that I can > continue to use my favourite wallpapers. (BTW, you will also find that > the wallpapers in Windows, say 7, are in .png format and can therefore > be used if you are so inclined.) > > >> I have also considered using a main data directory from my server >> (just a home server, nothing fancy), because it has a raid setup. But >> it has the same file permission problems that I describe in point 1. >> I can either mount it -o uid=1000,gid=1000 or uid=1001,gid=1001, but >> not both. > > Now this is beyond my scope, RAID and server I mean :-) . However, > would my answer above to (1) not work also on a server? > > BC > I wasnt too clear about my problem. Yes, part of it can be exclusive access, but I also want to share, and that is where I have a problem. I might be able to solve it by having each user mount the network drive using different uid and gid parameters. I will find something. All this is not relevant to the original mail, so thanks for the info, especially the setup to keep the home clean, and to have multiple machines with the same data. I am certainly going to use that. Regards, Guus. From marwell.1980 at freenet.de Sat Oct 26 07:36:18 2013 From: marwell.1980 at freenet.de (marwell) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:36:18 +0800 Subject: Telepathy contact list plasma widget doesn't work - kubuntu 13.10 Message-ID: After upgrading to 13.10 one of my problems is, that telepathy's contact list plasma widget doesn't work anymore. Instead of showing the contact list it shows a message file://usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.ktp- contactlist/contents/ui/main.qml:28:5: Der Typ ContactList ist nicht verfuegbar (English ~ the type contactlist is not available) file://usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.ktp- contactlist/contents/ui/ContactList.qml:21:1: Modul "org.kde.telepathy" ist nicht installiert (English ~ module "org.kde.telepathy" is not installed) Of course telepathy is installed. Any ideas? Anybody with the same problem? Thank You! From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sat Oct 26 13:04:00 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:04:00 +0000 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526BAA94.5060507@xs4all.nl> References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> <526B8268.5080006@xs4all.nl> <526BA4F9.4020004@iinet.net.au> <526BAA94.5060507@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <526BBDC0.30606@iinet.net.au> On 26/10/13 11:42, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 26/10/13 13:18, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 26/10/13 08:50, A.J. Bonnema wrote: pruned] > I wasnt too clear about my problem. Yes, part of it can be exclusive > access, but I also want to share, and that is where I have a problem. My only comment here would be is to create another partitition - call it, say, OMEGA - and put the files which you want everyone to share here and symlink from all users here (/Data/Omega/; and set the appropriate permissions [read/write/execute by Other or setup a special Group, put all the users into this Group and allow this Group to own/read/write/execute]. Don' know if this will work but you probably know more about this than I do :-) . > I might be able to solve it by having each user mount the network > drive using different uid and gid parameters. I will find something. > All this is not relevant to the original mail, so thanks for the info, > especially the setup to keep the home clean, and to have multiple > machines with the same data. I am certainly going to use that. > > Regards, Guus. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Sat Oct 26 13:09:44 2013 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:09:44 -0500 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps Message-ID: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in GNOME apps (like Synaptic)? What I'm seeing is that a) the scroll wheel doesn't work at all, and b) clicking in the scrollbar, instead of paging up or down, jumps directly to the place you clicked. I'm seeing it on four different machines so far, so I don't think it's a configuration issue. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From webguytx at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 14:10:07 2013 From: webguytx at gmail.com (Robert Crawford) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:10:07 -0500 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2013 8:11 AM, "Glenn Holmer" wrote: > > Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in GNOME apps (like Synaptic)? What I'm seeing is that a) the scroll wheel doesn't work at all, and b) clicking in the scrollbar, instead of paging up or down, jumps directly to the place you clicked. I'm seeing it on four different machines so far, so I don't think it's a configuration issue. > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users No, I'm running Xubuntu 13.10, I use Synaptic on it. Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From anti75 at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 20:29:01 2013 From: anti75 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Csisz=E1r_Antal?=) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:29:01 +0200 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <526BD62C.2040305@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526BD62C.2040305@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: Itt happened to me as well. At the end I figured out that "Two finger scroll" has been enabled during the upgrade to 13.10. After disabling this, everything works fine. On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 10/26/2013 09:10 AM, Robert Crawford wrote: > >> >> On Oct 26, 2013 8:11 AM, "Glenn Holmer" > > wrote: >> > >> > Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in GNOME apps >> (like Synaptic)? >> > > No, I'm running Xubuntu 13.10, I use Synaptic on it. >> > > Well, the question was about Kubuntu, i.e. KDE... > > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Oct 26 21:12:25 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:12:25 -0400 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> On Friday, October 25, 2013 11:24:35 PM you wrote: > Dear Everybody, > > thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! > > For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home > partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% CPU when > I would create two. One for normal use and one as a backup... Then use the backup to back up your home before switching to a new system. > using Kontact and Akonadi ', there was a suggestion like this one: > > Today I started from scratch an rebuilt my entire $HOME disk, with > > a lot of referencing to my old one to determine settings for KMAIL > > and desktop frills. Now things are working like a charm. > I wrote that and did that..... I cleaned out about 15 yrs of junk (most of it not system related) and recreated my home from scratch. Wasn't really a hard job to do and I would say to do it maybe every other install or maybe three installs. I also have about three 'systems' or space for them on my system and I rotate those. While I'm now running Saucy, I still have Ringtail and Quantal available if needed. > Another similar suggestion seems to work out this in more detail: > > You mean that it is not possible in Kubuntu to create symlinks - for > > kmail, > > > whatever - to where you have your directories/data stored? > > With all due respect to Basil, I've been running linux for 20 years and I don't think I would try to make all those symlinks into a data partition... Besides being pretty complex, I don't think it really solves any of the problems. When I rebuilt my system, I found that the storage of email files, which has changed several times over the years, had changed yet again in a major way that symlinks wouldn't really solve unless you went in a did a lot of research and changed everything else around yourself. I'd rather start fresh and make darn sure that the system was rebuilding itself. Just too much hassle in my view to make the symlinks. I'd rather make copious back-ups and then sort out any problems. Been doing that for 20 years without major problems and by rebuilding /home every few installs, it should go even smoother. -- "Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool?" From basroufs at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 00:22:35 2013 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 02:22:35 +0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526BBDC0.30606@iinet.net.au> References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> <526B8268.5080006@xs4all.nl> <526BA4F9.4020004@iinet.net.au> <526BAA94.5060507@xs4all.nl> <526BBDC0.30606@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Hey Basil & Everybody, thanks, Basil, for your REALLY USEFUL! feedback. I know Midnight Commander - that package has been my all time high favourite :-) ever since Ulrich Grün introduced me to Kubuntu Linux - already six years ago. For now, one question remains. Which of the steps you mentioned, are meant to be done DURING the installation and which of them afterwords? Respectfully yours, Bas. On 26/10/13 11:42, A.J. Bonnema wrote: > On 26/10/13 13:18, Basil Chupin wrote: > >> On 26/10/13 08:50, A.J. Bonnema wrote: >> > pruned] I wasnt too clear about my problem. Yes, part of it can be exclusive > access, but I also want to share, and that is where I have a problem. > My only comment here would be is to create another partitition - call it, say, OMEGA - and put the files which you want everyone to share here and symlink from all users here (/Data/Omega/; and set the appropriate permissions [read/write/execute by Other or setup a special Group, put all the users into this Group and allow this Group to own/read/write/execute]. Don' know if this will work but you probably know more about this than I do :-) . I might be able to solve it by having each user mount the network drive > using different uid and gid parameters. I will find something. All this is > not relevant to the original mail, so thanks for the info, especially the > setup to keep the home clean, and to have multiple machines with the same > data. I am certainly going to use that. > > Regards, Guus. > BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry.linux.1973 at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 01:15:04 2013 From: henry.linux.1973 at gmail.com (Henry Linux) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 23:15:04 -0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> Message-ID: 2013/10/25 Bruce Marshall > On Friday, October 25, 2013 03:46:57 PM Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > > Root 60.000 MB, ext4, mount point /; > > > Swap 2000 MB, logical, location: 'beginning'; > > > > How much RAM do you have? 2 GB for Swap seems not that much, the rule > > is to have the double of the RAM up until 8 GB. I currently have 8 GB > > of RAM and an equal amount of Swap space which runs quite smoothly. > > Really? I have 8GB of RAM and only 2GB of swap, but swap rarely gets > used > at all. (currently at 0 as I write this) > > I normally have 4 virt desktops going with an app or more in each of them. > > > I recommend SWAP = RAM capacity because if you gonna put the pc in hibernation you don't' gonna get problems. Henry. > > -- > "Editing is a rewording activity." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Sun Oct 27 04:07:58 2013 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 23:07:58 -0500 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526BD62C.2040305@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: <526C919E.4000108@lyonlabs.org> On 10/26/2013 03:29 PM, Csiszár Antal wrote: > Itt happened to me as well. At the end I figured out that "Two finger > scroll" has been enabled during the upgrade to 13.10. After disabling > this, everything works fine. I don't understand, are you talking about a touchpad? I'm describing mouse behavior, on a desktop machine. > On Oct 26, 2013 8:11 AM, "Glenn Holmer" > > > > Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in > GNOME apps > (like Synaptic)? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 27 05:40:44 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 05:40:44 +0000 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: <1912306.UY2RUXrUvM@linux1> <526B481C.7010006@iinet.net.au> <526B8268.5080006@xs4all.nl> <526BA4F9.4020004@iinet.net.au> <526BAA94.5060507@xs4all.nl> <526BBDC0.30606@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <526CA75C.4060308@iinet.net.au> On 27/10/13 00:22, Bas Roufs wrote: > > Hey Basil & Everybody, > thanks, Basil, for your REALLY USEFUL! feedback. > I know Midnight Commander - that package has been my all time high > favourite :-) ever since Ulrich Grün introduced me to Kubuntu Linux > - already six years ago. > For now, one question remains. Which of the steps you mentioned, are > meant to be done DURING the installation and which of them afterwords? > Respectfully yours, > Bas. > I am glad that you wrote this because I remembered something a short time ago and was going to add it to what I wrote a day or so ago. What I forgot to add is to create another, small, only 1GB big, partition at the beginning and format it in ext4. You probably won't need it right now but at least you will have it available for use should you require it. To understand what I am going to state, and what I already stated previously, read this article: http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/down/articles/LSK_multi_distro_install_US.pdf It may take a couple of readings to really grasp it as it seems (to me at least) that after the author wrote it someone edited it and did some shortcuts. However, it is still understandable if you read it carefully :-) . Now, to your question above. The very first thing that you do is to do a backup of your /home/ to whatever destination is of your choice. Probably a USB stick may not be big enough so it would be worthwhile to burn it to a CD or a DVD. Your choice of destination medium. You do all the partitioning at the start and while you are installing the system software[$]. After the system is up and running and you have everything working then it could be the time to start doing the symlinking. In other words, there is nothing different to what you would normally do when installing the system except that once its up and running you create the directory Alpha (whatever) in 'Data' partition and symlink the folders/files from your /home to Alpha. [$] After you have read the URL I gave you above, and after taking into account what I wrote previously, you will end up when you partition your HDD with these partitions: (dev - size - file system - name to give in partitioner) sda1 1GB ext4 btldr <==Do NOT MOUNT[@] sda2 4GB swap sda3 30GB ext4 / <==INSTALL system here sda4 Extended sda5 30GB ext4 <==Do NOT mount - for next system sda6 100GB ext4 Data <==MOUNT as Data[#] sda7 balance ext4 Spare <==MOUNT as Spare[#] [@] You mount this partition manually when, and if, you need it to create a new grub2 menu - read the pdf above. [#] By mounting them in the partitioner setup these will appear in /etc/fstab and be auto mounted on bootup. I hope that the above is clear enough and if not ask some questions :-) . (Once you have done this 2 or 3 times it then becomes very easy.... :-) .) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 27 06:10:32 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 06:10:32 +0000 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> References: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> Message-ID: <526CAE58.5070406@iinet.net.au> On 26/10/13 21:12, Bruce Marshall wrote: [pruned] > With all due respect to Basil, I've been running linux for 20 years Well then I beat you by 3 years so I am more senior...... :-) . > and I > don't think I would try to make all those symlinks into a data partition... > Besides being pretty complex, Not complex at all - but it does require "a few keystrokes" to create the symlinks. Takes a lot less time to do than copying files from backup medium to the new system. > I don't think it really solves any of the > problems. When I rebuilt my system, I found that the storage of email files, > which has changed several times over the years, had changed yet again in a > major way that symlinks wouldn't really solve unless you went in a did a lot > of research and changed everything else around yourself. I'd rather start > fresh and make darn sure that the system was rebuilding itself. I am not sure if there is a mixture of two separate issues here: (1) to do with system (config) files and (2) to do with files like e-mail, Documents, Downloads, whatever. Re (1), system config files, I agree that you don't carry over any unwanted baggage from one version of the system to the other. My policy is to always install fresh, clean, and let the newly installed system create its new config files. Re (2) - and here I have to state that while I have Ubuntu 13.04 installed I do not have Kubuntu installed so I will install it just to make sure that I don't provide the wrong advice. However, perhaps the problem you mention with e-mail storage altering several times over the years is due to you using Kmail - which I have never used (and never will). As I already mentioned, my e-mail started off in Windows and I transferred this (together with Firefox settings) seamlessly to Linux. Considering all the complaints about Kmail I am surprised that you are still using it. (Just on this theme: I have Ubuntu installed and I have both Firefox and Thunderbird symlinked there to the partition on the second HDD - no hassles. But I will now download Kubuntu (?)13.10 and install this and see if things work :-) .) > Just too much hassle in my view to make the symlinks. I'd rather make copious > back-ups and then sort out any problems. Been doing that for 20 years without > major problems and by rebuilding /home every few installs, it should go even > smoother. Yes, this is one way of doing it of course. In my case the only regular backups I do are the /.mozilla and /.thunderbird directories onto an USB stick and do a backup of the complete /home directory onto an external HDD when the mood strikes me. The most important data - FF and TB - are safely stored away and the rest is replaceable should the HDD(s) crash. I guess the most important point here is to have a routine of what to do re, and with, your system and keep to this routine; after a while it becomes second nature and you can do it "with your eyes closed". BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From anti75 at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 07:00:13 2013 From: anti75 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Csisz=E1r_Antal?=) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:00:13 +0100 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <526C919E.4000108@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526BD62C.2040305@lyonlabs.org> <526C919E.4000108@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: Sorry, it was a misunderstanding. I am talking about touchpad. On Oct 27, 2013 5:09 AM, "Glenn Holmer" wrote: > On 10/26/2013 03:29 PM, Csiszár Antal wrote: > >> Itt happened to me as well. At the end I figured out that "Two finger >> scroll" has been enabled during the upgrade to 13.10. After disabling >> this, everything works fine. >> > > I don't understand, are you talking about a touchpad? I'm describing mouse > behavior, on a desktop machine. > > On Oct 26, 2013 8:11 AM, "Glenn Holmer" > >> > >> > Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in >> GNOME apps >> (like Synaptic)? >> > > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Sun Oct 27 09:52:37 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:52:37 +0100 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <526C919E.4000108@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526BD62C.2040305@lyonlabs.org> <526C919E.4000108@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: Hi Glenn, On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 10/26/2013 03:29 PM, Csiszár Antal wrote: >> >> Itt happened to me as well. At the end I figured out that "Two finger >> scroll" has been enabled during the upgrade to 13.10. After disabling >> this, everything works fine. > > > I don't understand, are you talking about a touchpad? I'm describing mouse > behavior, on a desktop machine. > >> On Oct 26, 2013 8:11 AM, "Glenn Holmer" > >> > >> > Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in >> GNOME apps >> (like Synaptic)? I use Synaptic myself and haven't seen any mouse problems on this Kubuntu 13.10 installation. But I have this only on this machine and no other to test it. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From myriam at kubuntu.org Sun Oct 27 09:55:48 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:55:48 +0100 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> References: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> Message-ID: Hi Bruce, On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Friday, October 25, 2013 11:24:35 PM you wrote: >> Dear Everybody, >> >> thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! >> >> For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home >> partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% CPU when >> > > I would create two. One for normal use and one as a backup... Then use the > backup to back up your home before switching to a new system. Just keep in mind that a backup is meant to keep your data secure, making a backup partition on the same hard drive will not protect you from a hardware failure and makes the whole backup useless. Backups should be done on a different physical media, else it has no point at all. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 11:12:17 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:12:17 +0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> Message-ID: <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> On 10/27/2013 11:55 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On Friday, October 25, 2013 11:24:35 PM you wrote: >>> Dear Everybody, >>> >>> thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! >>> >>> For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home >>> partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% CPU when >>> >> >> I would create two. One for normal use and one as a backup... Then use the >> backup to back up your home before switching to a new system. > > Just keep in mind that a backup is meant to keep your data secure, > making a backup partition on the same hard drive will not protect you > from a hardware failure and makes the whole backup useless. Backups > should be done on a different physical media, else it has no point at > all. > > > Regards, Myriam > I agree 100 on that. I have been reading this thread with some interest though to me it seems a bit "overkill" configuration. But to keep a backup on same disk will only save you if you mess up your config/data, not if the disk has a breakdown. I have been there (stolen laptop actually) and boy was I happy to have vital data on a usb harddrive. Regards, Sinclair From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 27 12:01:19 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:01:19 +0000 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> References: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <526D008F.6070705@iinet.net.au> On 27/10/13 11:12, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 10/27/2013 11:55 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >> Hi Bruce, >> >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Bruce Marshall >> wrote: >>> On Friday, October 25, 2013 11:24:35 PM you wrote: >>>> Dear Everybody, >>>> >>>> thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! >>>> >>>> For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home >>>> partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% >>>> CPU when >>>> >>> >>> I would create two. One for normal use and one as a backup... >>> Then use the >>> backup to back up your home before switching to a new system. >> >> Just keep in mind that a backup is meant to keep your data secure, >> making a backup partition on the same hard drive will not protect you >> from a hardware failure and makes the whole backup useless. Backups >> should be done on a different physical media, else it has no point at >> all. >> >> >> Regards, Myriam >> > I agree 100 on that. I have been reading this thread with some > interest though to me it seems a bit "overkill" configuration. But to > keep a backup on same disk will only save you if you mess up your > config/data, not if the disk has a breakdown. I have been there > (stolen laptop actually) and boy was I happy to have vital data on a > usb harddrive. > > Regards, > Sinclair > Absolutely spot on. Which is why I always have 2 HDDs in the computer and the second HDD contains the Data partition containing the folders which are symlinked from /home which is on the first HDD. And to be even more paranoid, all my HDDs are in mobile racks. When I go interstate the HDDs are removed and are locked away in a safe. Also go into the safe are the USB devices (flash discs and external HDDs) containing the backups. The safe is burglar proof, fire proof and immovable. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 12:35:24 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:35:24 +0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526D008F.6070705@iinet.net.au> References: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> <526D008F.6070705@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <526D088C.2090804@gmail.com> On 10/27/2013 02:01 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 27/10/13 11:12, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 10/27/2013 11:55 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>> Hi Bruce, >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Bruce Marshall >>> wrote: >>>> On Friday, October 25, 2013 11:24:35 PM you wrote: >>>>> Dear Everybody, >>>>> >>>>> thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! >>>>> >>>>> For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home >>>>> partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% >>>>> CPU when >>>>> >>>> >>>> I would create two. One for normal use and one as a backup... Then >>>> use the >>>> backup to back up your home before switching to a new system. >>> >>> Just keep in mind that a backup is meant to keep your data secure, >>> making a backup partition on the same hard drive will not protect you >>> from a hardware failure and makes the whole backup useless. Backups >>> should be done on a different physical media, else it has no point at >>> all. >>> >>> >>> Regards, Myriam >>> >> I agree 100 on that. I have been reading this thread with some >> interest though to me it seems a bit "overkill" configuration. But to >> keep a backup on same disk will only save you if you mess up your >> config/data, not if the disk has a breakdown. I have been there >> (stolen laptop actually) and boy was I happy to have vital data on a >> usb harddrive. >> >> Regards, >> Sinclair >> > > Absolutely spot on. Which is why I always have 2 HDDs in the computer > and the second HDD contains the Data partition containing the folders > which are symlinked from /home which is on the first HDD. > > And to be even more paranoid, all my HDDs are in mobile racks. When I go > interstate the HDDs are removed and are locked away in a safe. Also go > into the safe are the USB devices (flash discs and external HDDs) > containing the backups. The safe is burglar proof, fire proof and > immovable. well that became a bit off topic, right ;-) for my part I use laptop so second HDD is a no-go. And a safe is more than I care to invest in at this moment in life. But I always do a backup of data (luckybackup works really well) and keep an updated image (Remastersys) of my setup on 2 separate USB flash. One goes with me, one stays home. From blchupin at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 27 12:52:26 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:52:26 +0000 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526D088C.2090804@gmail.com> References: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> <526D008F.6070705@iinet.net.au> <526D088C.2090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <526D0C8A.2060603@iinet.net.au> On 27/10/13 12:35, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 10/27/2013 02:01 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 27/10/13 11:12, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> On 10/27/2013 11:55 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>>> Hi Bruce, >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Bruce Marshall >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Friday, October 25, 2013 11:24:35 PM you wrote: >>>>>> Dear Everybody, >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! >>>>>> >>>>>> For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home >>>>>> partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% >>>>>> CPU when >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would create two. One for normal use and one as a backup... Then >>>>> use the >>>>> backup to back up your home before switching to a new system. >>>> >>>> Just keep in mind that a backup is meant to keep your data secure, >>>> making a backup partition on the same hard drive will not protect you >>>> from a hardware failure and makes the whole backup useless. Backups >>>> should be done on a different physical media, else it has no point at >>>> all. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, Myriam >>>> >>> I agree 100 on that. I have been reading this thread with some >>> interest though to me it seems a bit "overkill" configuration. But to >>> keep a backup on same disk will only save you if you mess up your >>> config/data, not if the disk has a breakdown. I have been there >>> (stolen laptop actually) and boy was I happy to have vital data on a >>> usb harddrive. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sinclair >>> >> >> Absolutely spot on. Which is why I always have 2 HDDs in the computer >> and the second HDD contains the Data partition containing the folders >> which are symlinked from /home which is on the first HDD. >> >> And to be even more paranoid, all my HDDs are in mobile racks. When I go >> interstate the HDDs are removed and are locked away in a safe. Also go >> into the safe are the USB devices (flash discs and external HDDs) >> containing the backups. The safe is burglar proof, fire proof and >> immovable. > > well that became a bit off topic, right ;-) > for my part I use laptop so second HDD is a no-go. And a safe is more > than I care to invest in at this moment in life. But I always do a > backup of data (luckybackup works really well) and keep an updated > image (Remastersys) of my setup on 2 separate USB flash. One goes with > me, one stays home. But, hopefully, buried somewhere in the backyard, right? (I know of one person who has a map of his backyard because he has all sorts of things buried in his 'yard :-D .) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 14:02:04 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:02:04 +0200 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526D0C8A.2060603@iinet.net.au> References: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> <526D008F.6070705@iinet.net.au> <526D088C.2090804@gmail.com> <526D0C8A.2060603@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <526D1CDC.6080901@gmail.com> On 10/27/2013 02:52 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 27/10/13 12:35, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 10/27/2013 02:01 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> On 27/10/13 11:12, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> On 10/27/2013 11:55 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>>>> Hi Bruce, >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Bruce Marshall >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, October 25, 2013 11:24:35 PM you wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Everybody, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for all the input so far - clear enough to work with it! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For now, one question remains. Do I need to create ONE or TWO /home >>>>>>> partitions? Background of this question: in the thread 'Still 100% >>>>>>> CPU when >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would create two. One for normal use and one as a backup... Then >>>>>> use the >>>>>> backup to back up your home before switching to a new system. >>>>> >>>>> Just keep in mind that a backup is meant to keep your data secure, >>>>> making a backup partition on the same hard drive will not protect you >>>>> from a hardware failure and makes the whole backup useless. Backups >>>>> should be done on a different physical media, else it has no point at >>>>> all. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Myriam >>>>> >>>> I agree 100 on that. I have been reading this thread with some >>>> interest though to me it seems a bit "overkill" configuration. But to >>>> keep a backup on same disk will only save you if you mess up your >>>> config/data, not if the disk has a breakdown. I have been there >>>> (stolen laptop actually) and boy was I happy to have vital data on a >>>> usb harddrive. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sinclair >>>> >>> >>> Absolutely spot on. Which is why I always have 2 HDDs in the computer >>> and the second HDD contains the Data partition containing the folders >>> which are symlinked from /home which is on the first HDD. >>> >>> And to be even more paranoid, all my HDDs are in mobile racks. When I go >>> interstate the HDDs are removed and are locked away in a safe. Also go >>> into the safe are the USB devices (flash discs and external HDDs) >>> containing the backups. The safe is burglar proof, fire proof and >>> immovable. >> >> well that became a bit off topic, right ;-) >> for my part I use laptop so second HDD is a no-go. And a safe is more >> than I care to invest in at this moment in life. But I always do a >> backup of data (luckybackup works really well) and keep an updated >> image (Remastersys) of my setup on 2 separate USB flash. One goes with >> me, one stays home. > > But, hopefully, buried somewhere in the backyard, right? > > (I know of one person who has a map of his backyard because he has all > sorts of things buried in his 'yard :-D .) > Kind of less dramatic to keep one backup with friend/family/office outside house and one in house... no? Your friend kind of sounds like a "survivalist" ready for WW III or invasion by the zombies From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Sun Oct 27 14:57:51 2013 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:57:51 -0500 Subject: muon updater Message-ID: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> Another issue I'm seeing with 13.10 is that when the tray icon shows updates available, muon updater freezes at 33% on "Loading Software List" and never goes further. I've been taking updates through Synaptic instead. In some cases, there are actually no updates available (when this happens, synaptic and aptitude are in agreement). Anyone else seen this? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Oct 27 17:00:04 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:00:04 -0400 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: References: <1753204.obIxJJ5hPe@linux1> Message-ID: <10729521.JRkfRQOjBu@linux1> On Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:55:48 AM you wrote: > > I would create two. One for normal use and one as a backup... Then use > > the backup to back up your home before switching to a new system. > > Just keep in mind that a backup is meant to keep your data secure, > making a backup partition on the same hard drive will not protect you > from a hardware failure and makes the whole backup useless. Backups > should be done on a different physical media, else it has no point at > all. Understand that.... But if one has only one hard drive, then backup becomes a different issue and is not what I was addressing here. -- In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Oct 27 17:02:31 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:02:31 -0400 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> References: <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9887228.Pn7jJBqhtg@linux1> On Sunday, October 27, 2013 01:12:17 PM O. Sinclair wrote: > > Regards, Myriam > > I agree 100 on that. I have been reading this thread with some interest > though to me it seems a bit "overkill" configuration. But to keep a > backup on same disk will only save you if you mess up your config/data, > not if the disk has a breakdown. I have been there (stolen laptop > actually) and boy was I happy to have vital data on a usb harddrive. > > Regards, > Sinclair Exactly, and my post was only addressing the "new system broke my files" problem. Not a regular method of backup. Certainly what I said: backup only when moving to a new release, would not constitute a 'back-up' method by any stretch. -- "Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant." From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Oct 27 17:07:26 2013 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:07:26 -0400 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <526D008F.6070705@iinet.net.au> References: <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> <526D008F.6070705@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <2726302.85LaDzWSM5@linux1> On Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:01:19 PM Basil Chupin wrote: > Absolutely spot on. Which is why I always have 2 HDDs in the computer > and the second HDD contains the Data partition containing the folders > which are symlinked from /home which is on the first HDD. Fine, but effectively if your 'data' HDD goes down... I assume you have backup elsewhere. Your symlink method does nothing for a failure over a one HD system, methinks. Either one can break and if so, you'd better have a backup elsewhere. Besides nightly of backup darn near everything to a DIFFerent computer (and vice versa) , I use a 1 TB HD in a USB adapter to backup several systems periodically... as in a couple of times a month. And moving that USB HD to another location (should I want to do so) is nothing more than a slight tug out of its adapter.... rather than dismantling the drives from a computer. -- "Sex is one of the nine reasons for incarnation. The other eight are unimportant." George Burns From henry.linux.1973 at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 17:28:17 2013 From: henry.linux.1973 at gmail.com (Henry Linux) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 15:28:17 -0200 Subject: muon updater In-Reply-To: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> References: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: 2013/10/27 Glenn Holmer > Another issue I'm seeing with 13.10 is that when the tray icon shows > updates available, muon updater freezes at 33% on "Loading Software List" > and never goes further. I've been taking updates through Synaptic instead. > In some cases, there are actually no updates available (when this happens, > synaptic and aptitude are in agreement). > > Anyone else seen this? > > I have the same problem. Henry. > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From myriam at kubuntu.org Sun Oct 27 22:41:55 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 23:41:55 +0100 Subject: muon updater In-Reply-To: <19480638.3NzPRDr6Ka@hjemme-pc> References: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> <19480638.3NzPRDr6Ka@hjemme-pc> Message-ID: JFYI: there is currently a fix in the build queue, please everybody, a little patience Regards, Myriam On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Ole-Erik wrote: > Yess > > > > Same problem > > > > Ole-Erik > > > > > > Søndag 27. oktober 2013 15.28.17 skrev Henry Linux: > > 2013/10/27 Glenn Holmer > > Another issue I'm seeing with 13.10 is that when the tray icon shows updates > available, muon updater freezes at 33% on "Loading Software List" and never > goes further. I've been taking updates through Synaptic instead. In some > cases, there are actually no updates available (when this happens, synaptic > and aptitude are in agreement). > > gjerneAnyone else seen this? > > I have the same problem. > > > > Henry. > > > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 28 09:49:05 2013 From: chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk (Chris Luck) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:49:05 +0000 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: On 26/10/13 14:09, Glenn Holmer wrote: > Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in GNOME apps > (like Synaptic)? What I'm seeing is that a) the scroll wheel doesn't > work at all, and b) clicking in the scrollbar, instead of paging up > or down, jumps directly to the place you clicked. I'm seeing it on > four different machines so far, so I don't think it's a configuration > issue. I'm seeing that in Synaptic but not in other gnome apps. (i.e. Audacity, Gimp). Triple-booting WinXP, Kubuntu 12.10 32bit, Kubuntu 13.10 64bit. All OK in 12.10, messed up in 13.10. I see that Synaptic is no longer being supported by Ubuntu. -- Regards, Chris luck From chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 28 10:07:36 2013 From: chris at bvhg.freeserve.co.uk (Chris Luck) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:07:36 +0000 Subject: muon updater In-Reply-To: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> References: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: On 27/10/13 14:57, Glenn Holmer wrote: > Another issue I'm seeing with 13.10 is that when the tray icon shows > updates available, muon updater freezes at 33% on "Loading Software > List" and never goes further. I've been taking updates through > Synaptic instead. In some cases, there are actually no updates > available (when this happens, synaptic and aptitude are in > agreement). > > Anyone else seen this? Yes, 13.10 64bit. Notwithstanding Myriam's call for patience I've a good mind to 'fix' it by removing Muon Notifier or even Muon itself (I rarely look at it anyway). -- Regards, Chris Luck From blchupin at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 28 10:43:14 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:43:14 +0000 Subject: Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD for optimal, smooth Kontakt & Akonadi In-Reply-To: <2726302.85LaDzWSM5@linux1> References: <526CF511.7080804@gmail.com> <526D008F.6070705@iinet.net.au> <2726302.85LaDzWSM5@linux1> Message-ID: <526E3FC2.30107@iinet.net.au> On 27/10/13 17:07, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:01:19 PM Basil Chupin wrote: >> Absolutely spot on. Which is why I always have 2 HDDs in the computer >> and the second HDD contains the Data partition containing the folders >> which are symlinked from /home which is on the first HDD. > Fine, but effectively if your 'data' HDD goes down... I assume you have backup > elsewhere. Your symlink method does nothing for a failure over a one HD > system, methinks. Either one can break and if so, you'd better have a backup > elsewhere. > > Besides nightly of backup darn near everything to a DIFFerent computer (and > vice versa) , I use a 1 TB HD in a USB adapter to backup several systems > periodically... as in a couple of times a month. > > And moving that USB HD to another location (should I want to do so) is nothing > more than a slight tug out of its adapter.... rather than dismantling the > drives from a computer. I think that you missed a few things..... I did state that I backed up my most important data - /.mozilla and /.thunderbird - to an USB memory flash while the complete /home was backed up when I remembered to an external HDD (a Seagate 2TB to be precise). If I lose the "main" HDD I still have most of my /home symlinked to the second HDD. And if I lose the second HDD where things are symlnked to I still have main system intact on the first, "main" HDD. If I lose BOTH HDDs then I still have the USB flash with the almost current FF and TB data files as well as a copy of a slightly outdated compete /home on the external HDD. Re the comment about "dismantling the drives from a computer" perhaps you misunderstood what I meant by mobile racks. With a mobile rack the HDD sits in a removable cradle which then is inserted in a rack which is fixed in the 5 1/4 slot in the computer. To remove the HDD all one has to do is to pull out the cradle with the HDD from the rack and store it away; and to replace it one simply pushes the he cradle back into the rack. Either operation takes less than 5 seconds. A picture of what I am talking about is here: http://www.computeronline.com.au/products.php?C_ID=3&S_ID=86&PROD=9963 BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From ca.grajesh at gmail.com Tue Oct 29 02:47:15 2013 From: ca.grajesh at gmail.com (CA G Rajesh) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:17:15 +0530 Subject: Html viewing in Kmail Message-ID: Hi all, I have a strange problem, for past few days, in Kmail. I am using latest saucy now. Mostly I send html formatted messages. While composing or viewing html mails in inbox, I find no problem. But once html mail are sent, the sent-mail folder or mails saved in draft while composing, loses html *view* immediate at viewing it. I understand that the html mails reach the receiver properly with formatting. Setting kmail > menu bar > folders > prefer html to plain text (similar settings in kmail > menu bar > settings > configure > security is already done) does the trick for that mail. But new new mails get the same problem. I have set it again and save the display format by right clicking the mail. I tried to delete kmail2rc too. Nothing seems to work :( How to correct this problem? Is this a bug or am I missing some configuration settings? Thanks in advance. Rajesh From girardhenri at free.fr Tue Oct 29 04:24:29 2013 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 05:24:29 +0100 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> Le 28/10/2013 10:49, Chris Luck a écrit : > On 26/10/13 14:09, Glenn Holmer wrote: >> Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in GNOME apps >> (like Synaptic)? What I'm seeing is that a) the scroll wheel doesn't >> work at all, and b) clicking in the scrollbar, instead of paging up >> or down, jumps directly to the place you clicked. I'm seeing it on >> four different machines so far, so I don't think it's a configuration >> issue. > > I'm seeing that in Synaptic but not in other gnome apps. (i.e. Audacity, > Gimp). > > Triple-booting WinXP, Kubuntu 12.10 32bit, Kubuntu 13.10 64bit. > All OK in 12.10, messed up in 13.10. I see that Synaptic is no longer > being supported by Ubuntu. > Sometimes mouse is not showing in gnome (in fact like being transparent) not only in synaptic but after rebooting it 's ok again From clay at claydoh.com Tue Oct 29 05:26:11 2013 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 01:26:11 -0400 Subject: Html viewing in Kmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1856459.1NgeytJQ6b@lark-latitude-d630> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 08:17:15 AM CA G Rajesh wrote: > Hi all, > I have a strange problem, for past few days, in Kmail. I am using latest > saucy now. Mostly I send html formatted messages. While composing or viewing > html mails in inbox, I find no problem. But once html mail are sent, the > sent-mail folder or mails saved in draft while composing, loses html *view* > immediate at viewing it. > I understand that the html mails reach the receiver properly with > formatting. Setting kmail > menu bar > folders > prefer html to plain text > (similar settings in kmail > menu bar > settings > configure > security is > already done) does the trick for that mail. But new new mails get the same > problem. I have set it again and save the display format by right clicking > the mail. I tried to delete kmail2rc too. Nothing seems to work :( > How to correct this problem? Is this a bug or am I missing some > configuration settings? > Thanks in advance. > Rajesh Try looking at the properties for each *folder* that exhibits this behavior: Highlight the folder then click on the "Folder" option on Kontact's top menu bar. Set the option to "prefer html" option there. I know you said you have checked this, but do so for *each folder* that does not have this. The normal Drafts, sent-mail folders, and others in the "Local Folders" are not (iirc) connected to one specific Kontact identity or email account, so this might be why you see this behavior not being changed - Kontact defaults to NOT using html. -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Oct 29 09:21:46 2013 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:21:46 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow Message-ID: Today my system, based on 12.10, started to be unresponsive. First of all, yesterday it worked as a charm and I did not any update/upgrade. Today the system, after the login, started to bee very slow and opened the dolphin on my home folder (I have setup to start with a clear session, so this is quite strange). Any kde based application is unresponsive, while non-kde or non-qt applications (like firefox) work fine. In order to understand just to open dolphin it takes up to 1 minute! My kernel is 3.2.0_52 on x64, I've 4 gigabyte sof ram, sata hdd, kde is now at 4.11.2. Since this strange behavior, I did an apt-get upgrade today but nothing changed. I've nepomuk disabled, but I see a lot of cpu is consumed by plasma-desktop and akonadi notifications. I've tried to kill all akonadi processes, as well as zeitgeist based ones, but nothing changed. Any suggestion about how to get usable my machine again? Thanks, Luca From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Oct 29 09:29:04 2013 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:29:04 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Luca Ferrari wrote: > Any suggestion about how to get usable my machine again? > I can add more info: from KDE I was unable to logout, I mean using the logout panel icon or menu icon simply did nothing (I waited for more than 2 minutes). There's no I/O in all activities, so it seems like a locking problem or the CPU full of some complex elaboration. I'm now using xfce with kde applications, including kmail, and everything is responsive again, so it seems like something broken with my kde configuration or with the loading of the libraries. Any idea on how to inspect? Thanks, Luca From myriam at kubuntu.org Tue Oct 29 09:30:28 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:30:28 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luca, On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Luca Ferrari wrote: > Today my system, based on 12.10, started to be unresponsive. First of > all, yesterday it worked as a charm and I did not any update/upgrade. > Today the system, after the login, started to bee very slow and opened > the dolphin on my home folder (I have setup to start with a clear > session, so this is quite strange). Any kde based application is > unresponsive, while non-kde or non-qt applications (like firefox) work > fine. In order to understand just to open dolphin it takes up to 1 > minute! > > My kernel is 3.2.0_52 on x64, I've 4 gigabyte sof ram, sata hdd, kde > is now at 4.11.2. > Since this strange behavior, I did an apt-get upgrade today but nothing changed. > I've nepomuk disabled, but I see a lot of cpu is consumed by > plasma-desktop and akonadi notifications. I've tried to kill all > akonadi processes, as well as zeitgeist based ones, but nothing > changed. > > Any suggestion about how to get usable my machine again? Did you check if you still have enough space on your disk, both for / and your /home? Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From chavall46 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 29 12:17:10 2013 From: chavall46 at yahoo.com (Carlos Vallejos) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 05:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Problems updating Message-ID: <1383049030.39030.YahooMailNeo@web160404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would like to update to the 13.10 version, but neither Muon or Synaptic are able to do it! I get -also- an error message about "the address is not reachable"...sorry but I realize now, that I'm sending this mail from my Windows installation.... and the text of the error msg is on the Kubuntu's one...so when I get there I'll send it as an addenda to this mail. Meanwhile any suggestion, to face or go around the problem will be welcome! Thanks, E-manber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue Oct 29 12:58:25 2013 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:58:25 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Luca Ferrari wrote: > I can add more info: from KDE I was unable to logout, I mean using the > logout panel icon or menu icon simply did nothing (I waited for more I got also a strange error about the logout: "session manager must be in the idle state" when trying to shutdown the computer. Any help is strongly appreciated. Thanks, Luca From myriam at kubuntu.org Tue Oct 29 13:21:12 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:21:12 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Luca, did you see my question? On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Luca Ferrari wrote: >> I can add more info: from KDE I was unable to logout, I mean using the >> logout panel icon or menu icon simply did nothing (I waited for more > > I got also a strange error about the logout: "session manager must be > in the idle state" when trying to shutdown the computer. > > Any help is strongly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Luca > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From marwell.1980 at freenet.de Tue Oct 29 14:21:11 2013 From: marwell.1980 at freenet.de (marwell) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:21:11 +0800 Subject: ALTGr doesn't work in 13.10 Message-ID: Since I upgraded to Kubuntu 13.10 my ALTGr key doesn't work anymore. I can not input third and forth level characters. In system settings the ALTGr key is set to 3rd level input, but it doesn't work. I checked xbblayout and the us definition is including the old (13.04) definitions on 3rd and 4th level. Something changed from version 13.04 to 13.10., I found more people on forums discussing the problem. Anybody any idea? Any help very much appreciated. Thanks! From ca.grajesh at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 01:56:02 2013 From: ca.grajesh at gmail.com (CA G Rajesh) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:26:02 +0530 Subject: Html viewing in Kmail References: <1856459.1NgeytJQ6b@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: You're right, Mr Weber. The folders were associated with single identity. I changed it, but the problem does to get solved. I have to change the view (unchecking and checking the option) every time to view the mails in sent-mail/drafts folder to have html view. Once I right click the mail and saved the display format, that mail alone retains html view. Any change for modifying the kmail2rc? I find lots of folder - confusing. Googling has not shown me any pointers ... strange problem! :( Regards, Rajesh Clay Weber wrote: > Try looking at the properties for each *folder* that exhibits this > behavior: Highlight the folder then click on the "Folder" option on > Kontact's top menu bar. Set > the option to "prefer html" option there. > > The normal Drafts, sent-mail folders, and others in the "Local Folders" > are not (iirc) connected to one specific Kontact identity or email > account, so this might be why you > see this behavior not being changed From mmtsales at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 02:09:25 2013 From: mmtsales at gmail.com (Marcelo Magno T. Sales) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 23:09:25 -0300 Subject: Html viewing in Kmail In-Reply-To: References: <1856459.1NgeytJQ6b@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <3143669.xdcOABPReJ@home-01> Em quarta-feira, 30 de outubro de 2013, às 07:26:02, CA G Rajesh escreveu: > You're right, Mr Weber. > The folders were associated with single identity. I changed it, but the > problem does to get solved. > I have to change the view (unchecking and checking the option) every time to > view the mails in sent-mail/drafts folder to have html view. Once I right > click the mail and saved the display format, that mail alone retains html > view. Any change for modifying the kmail2rc? I find lots of folder - > confusing. Googling has not shown me any pointers ... strange problem! :( > Regards, > Rajesh > > Clay Weber wrote: > > Try looking at the properties for each *folder* that exhibits this > > behavior: Highlight the folder then click on the "Folder" option on > > Kontact's top menu bar. Set > > the option to "prefer html" option there. > > > The normal Drafts, sent-mail folders, and others in the "Local Folders" > > are not (iirc) connected to one specific Kontact identity or email > > account, so this might be why you > > see this behavior not being changed If you go to Configurations -> Configure KMail -> Security -> Reading and check the box "Prefer HTML..." there, maybe it will be the default for all folders / messages for which you did not set otherwise individually. []'s Marcelo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xintx.ua at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 06:26:50 2013 From: xintx.ua at gmail.com (int_ua) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:26:50 +0200 Subject: Why does purging kmail remove akregator and korganizer? Message-ID: I thought it was some internal KDE dependency and filed a bug report but according to the response the problem is somewhere in the packaging: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326859 From fluca1978 at infinito.it Wed Oct 30 07:22:56 2013 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:22:56 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Did you check if you still have enough space on your disk, both for / > and your /home? Yes of course: my home (encrypted) is used at 10%, I've almost 40 GB free. My / is used at 55% and I've 7 GB free. Swap is 2 GB and nothing is used. I don't believe it is a problem of disk/memory resources, since xfce is running fine, it sounds to me more a problem of KDE settings. Even if I did not changed anything at all. Luca From myriam at kubuntu.org Wed Oct 30 08:31:43 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:31:43 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Luca Ferrari wrote: ... > I don't believe it is a problem of disk/memory resources, > since xfce is running fine, Well, you could have told that earlier, or I might not have seen this. The easiest solution is to move the KDE settings folder from outside of KDE: mv $HOME/.kde/share/config/ .kde_config_old/ Also make sure you don't miss some packages or dependencies. That sometimes can happen when running more than one desktop system on the same machine, as the dependencies can be conflicting, has happened in the past on *ubuntu and wouldn't really be a surprise, sadly. If you find any KDE or Qt dependency that was removed then please report this on Launchpad. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From danielhollocher at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 15:36:01 2013 From: danielhollocher at gmail.com (Daniel Hollocher) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:36:01 -0400 Subject: Why does purging kmail remove akregator and korganizer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: for your situation, try running `ubuntu-bug akregator` Make sure to add a link to the kde bug report I'm getting some bugs as well. I'm kinda curious how folks file bugs in kde. Do you always file with the kde reporting tool? or do you start with Ubuntu? On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:26 AM, int_ua wrote: > I thought it was some internal KDE dependency and filed a bug report > but according to the response the problem is somewhere in the > packaging: > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326859 > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Wed Oct 30 23:35:49 2013 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:35:49 -0500 Subject: muon updater In-Reply-To: References: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> <19480638.3NzPRDr6Ka@hjemme-pc> Message-ID: <527197D5.2020205@lyonlabs.org> On 10/27/2013 05:41 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > JFYI: there is currently a fix in the build queue, please everybody, a > little patience Ran patches against muon. Still doing it. >> 2013/10/27 Glenn Holmer >> >> Another issue I'm seeing with 13.10 is that when the tray icon shows updates >> available, muon updater freezes at 33% on "Loading Software List" and never >> goes further. I've been taking updates through Synaptic instead. In some >> cases, there are actually no updates available (when this happens, synaptic >> and aptitude are in agreement). -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." From henry.linux.1973 at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 00:03:47 2013 From: henry.linux.1973 at gmail.com (Henry Linux) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:03:47 -0200 Subject: muon updater In-Reply-To: <527197D5.2020205@lyonlabs.org> References: <526D29EF.2010304@lyonlabs.org> <19480638.3NzPRDr6Ka@hjemme-pc> <527197D5.2020205@lyonlabs.org> Message-ID: 2013/10/30 Glenn Holmer > On 10/27/2013 05:41 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > >> JFYI: there is currently a fix in the build queue, please everybody, a >> little patience >> > > Ran patches against muon. Still doing it. yes me too. works a few seconds and crash again. Henry. > > > 2013/10/27 Glenn Holmer >>> >>> Another issue I'm seeing with 13.10 is that when the tray icon shows >>> updates >>> available, muon updater freezes at 33% on "Loading Software List" and >>> never >>> goes further. I've been taking updates through Synaptic instead. In some >>> cases, there are actually no updates available (when this happens, >>> synaptic >>> and aptitude are in agreement). >>> >> > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil_lor at bigpond.com Thu Oct 31 00:48:59 2013 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:48:59 +1000 Subject: Unmountable DVDs Message-ID: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> Thank you for reading this. I had encouraged an acquaintance to install Kubuntu and somehow he managed to wipe Windows Vista during the process. Not a major disaster so far but still it's an annoyance all round. The current problem for me is that I have to provide a solution for several rewritable DVDs that are now unmountable. A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused. Unfortunately, they are now unmountable. I know this to be the case from my own past experience with K3B, no mater if "format" or "quick format" is selected the result is the same, a disc that is unmountable. While delving into another laptop I've discovered that Windows 7 is able to mount the previously unmountable discs and format all but one of them as UDF discs. Apparently buying a copy of Windows 7 or 8 is not an option. So is there an easy GUI for formatting or erasing discs that won't leave them unmountable? I've looked at "udftools" but it's use is rather complex. -- Regards, Phil From clay at claydoh.com Thu Oct 31 01:25:02 2013 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 21:25:02 -0400 Subject: Why does purging kmail remove akregator and korganizer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14261901.xWRa7N1OlA@lark-latitude-d630> On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:36:01 AM Daniel Hollocher wrote: > for your situation, try running `ubuntu-bug akregator` > Make sure to add a link to the kde bug report > > I'm getting some bugs as well. I'm kinda curious how folks file bugs in > kde. Do you always file with the kde reporting tool? or do you start with > Ubuntu? > On KDE application issues, ie bugs, crashes, feature request, reporting to KDE is best. Problems with packaging, hardware issues, and the like would go to Ubuntu's Launchpad (ie ubuntu-bug), so in the case of the OP, reporting it to Launchpad is the way to go. -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 31 03:08:21 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:08:21 +0000 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> On 31/10/13 00:48, Phil wrote: > Thank you for reading this. > > I had encouraged an acquaintance to install Kubuntu and somehow he > managed to wipe Windows Vista during the process. Not a major disaster > so far but still it's an annoyance all round. The current problem for > me is that I have to provide a solution for several rewritable DVDs > that are now unmountable. > > A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused. > Unfortunately, they are now unmountable. I know this to be the case > from my own past experience with K3B, no mater if "format" or "quick > format" is selected the result is the same, a disc that is unmountable. > > While delving into another laptop I've discovered that Windows 7 is > able to mount the previously unmountable discs and format all but one > of them as UDF discs. > > Apparently buying a copy of Windows 7 or 8 is not an option. So is > there an easy GUI for formatting or erasing discs that won't leave > them unmountable? I've looked at "udftools" but it's use is rather > complex. > What do you really mean by "unmountable"? Do you mean that once they are mounted they cannot be unmounted (ie, cannot use 'umount /dev/sdX)? Or do you mean that you cannot MOUNT the discs? And if it is the latter case (cannot mount them), what setting do you have in System Settings>Removable Devices? (And if you start Dolphin does the DVD disc show up in the left-hand window?) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From phil_lor at bigpond.com Thu Oct 31 04:13:25 2013 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:13:25 +1000 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> On 10/31/2013 01:08 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 31/10/13 00:48, Phil wrote: >> Thank you for reading this. >> >> I had encouraged an acquaintance to install Kubuntu and somehow he >> managed to wipe Windows Vista during the process. Not a major disaster >> so far but still it's an annoyance all round. The current problem for >> me is that I have to provide a solution for several rewritable DVDs >> that are now unmountable. >> >> A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused. >> Unfortunately, they are now unmountable. I know this to be the case >> from my own past experience with K3B, no mater if "format" or "quick >> format" is selected the result is the same, a disc that is unmountable. >> >> While delving into another laptop I've discovered that Windows 7 is >> able to mount the previously unmountable discs and format all but one >> of them as UDF discs. >> >> Apparently buying a copy of Windows 7 or 8 is not an option. So is >> there an easy GUI for formatting or erasing discs that won't leave >> them unmountable? I've looked at "udftools" but it's use is rather >> complex. >> > > What do you really mean by "unmountable"? > > Do you mean that once they are mounted they cannot be unmounted (ie, > cannot use 'umount /dev/sdX)? Or do you mean that you cannot MOUNT the > discs? > > And if it is the latter case (cannot mount them), what setting do you > have in System Settings>Removable Devices? (And if you start Dolphin > does the DVD disc show up in the left-hand window?) > Thanks for replying Basil. By "unmountable" I mean that the discs are not visible to the system. If a DVD is placed into it's drive then the various options are displayed, such as open with Dolphin. After the disc is formatted with K3b then nothing happens, apart from the disc spinning for a few moments. The same "unmountable" disk, once reformatted under Windows, is accessible under Linux and can be written to under K3b. Automatic mounting of all removable devices is enabled under Kubuntu. K3b, has over the years, produced several formatted discs that are not mountable under Linux or Windows. I have Xubuntu on another laptop and the faulty discs will not mount on that system either so it's not a mechanical problem or a problem peculiar to KDE. I'm attempting to help two people. One is trying to delete the contents of his DVD collection so that they can be reused in his laptop. The other person records late night TV shows and would like to use his computer to erase the contents of the DVD ready for another recording session. The TV viewer has Windows so I can probably sort him out. -- Regards, Phil From ca.grajesh at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 06:45:31 2013 From: ca.grajesh at gmail.com (CA G Rajesh) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:15:31 +0530 Subject: system incredibly slow References: Message-ID: I agree with Mr Ferrari. All of sudden, even my system does experience the same problem. As far as I can understand, nepomuk seems to be the problem - it takes whooping 25% of CPU often. I don't remember any recent updates, other than firefox and some system security updates from ubuntu. Regards, Rajesh Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Myriam Schweingruber > wrote: > >> Did you check if you still have enough space on your disk, both for / >> and your /home? > > Yes of course: my home (encrypted) is used at 10%, I've almost 40 GB > free. My / is used at 55% and I've 7 GB free. Swap is 2 GB and nothing > is used. I don't believe it is a problem of disk/memory resources, > since xfce is running fine, it sounds to me more a problem of KDE > settings. Even if I did not changed anything at all. > > Luca From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 31 06:46:55 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:46:55 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> On 31/10/13 15:13, Phil wrote: > On 10/31/2013 01:08 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 31/10/13 00:48, Phil wrote: >>> Thank you for reading this. >>> >>> I had encouraged an acquaintance to install Kubuntu and somehow he >>> managed to wipe Windows Vista during the process. Not a major disaster >>> so far but still it's an annoyance all round. The current problem for >>> me is that I have to provide a solution for several rewritable DVDs >>> that are now unmountable. >>> >>> A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused. >>> Unfortunately, they are now unmountable. I know this to be the case >>> from my own past experience with K3B, no mater if "format" or "quick >>> format" is selected the result is the same, a disc that is unmountable. >>> >>> While delving into another laptop I've discovered that Windows 7 is >>> able to mount the previously unmountable discs and format all but one >>> of them as UDF discs. >>> >>> Apparently buying a copy of Windows 7 or 8 is not an option. So is >>> there an easy GUI for formatting or erasing discs that won't leave >>> them unmountable? I've looked at "udftools" but it's use is rather >>> complex. >>> >> >> What do you really mean by "unmountable"? >> >> Do you mean that once they are mounted they cannot be unmounted (ie, >> cannot use 'umount /dev/sdX)? Or do you mean that you cannot MOUNT the >> discs? >> >> And if it is the latter case (cannot mount them), what setting do you >> have in System Settings>Removable Devices? (And if you start Dolphin >> does the DVD disc show up in the left-hand window?) >> > > Thanks for replying Basil. > > By "unmountable" I mean that the discs are not visible to the system. > > If a DVD is placed into it's drive then the various options are > displayed, such as open with Dolphin. Which means that the disc is recognised - and you can open it with Dolphin. And unless you open it with Dolphin you won't be able to read its contents. > After the disc is formatted with K3b then nothing happens, apart from > the disc spinning for a few moments. Now this is where I should have read your original post more closely. You are talking about REWRITABLE discs, right? Well once they are formatted k3b will not format them again - because there is no need to format them again. Any data on a rewritable disc will simply be overwritten. Bottom line therefore is - you format a NEW clean RW disc once and that's it. > The same "unmountable" disk, once reformatted under Windows, is > accessible under Linux and can be written to under K3b. The reason for this I suspect is that Windows uses totally different mumbo-jumbo in almost all of the things it does. I suspect that Windows, being the brain dead system that it is, doesn't recognise the disc and so reformats it as a new disc and Linux, of course, will see this disc because it recognises Windows formats. > Automatic mounting of all removable devices is enabled under Kubuntu. > > K3b, has over the years, produced several formatted discs that are not > mountable under Linux or Windows. I have some RW discs which I formatted with k3b. I checked them all a few minutes ago and all work fine so the problem is not with k3b. > I have Xubuntu on another laptop and the faulty discs will not mount > on that system either so it's not a mechanical problem or a problem > peculiar to KDE. > > I'm attempting to help two people. One is trying to delete the > contents of his DVD collection so that they can be reused in his > laptop. The other person records late night TV shows and would like to > use his computer to erase the contents of the DVD ready for another > recording session. The TV viewer has Windows so I can probably sort > him out. Taking into account what I said above, what happens when you place one of these "unmountable" discs in the drive and the menu comes up asking you if you want to open the disc using Dolphin and you do just that? If the disc is empty then you will see no contents. But what then happens if you try to copy a file to this disc? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 07:00:47 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:00:47 +0200 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> On 10/31/2013 08:46 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 31/10/13 15:13, Phil wrote: >> On 10/31/2013 01:08 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> On 31/10/13 00:48, Phil wrote: >>>> Thank you for reading this. >>>> >>>> I had encouraged an acquaintance to install Kubuntu and somehow he >>>> managed to wipe Windows Vista during the process. Not a major disaster >>>> so far but still it's an annoyance all round. The current problem for >>>> me is that I have to provide a solution for several rewritable DVDs >>>> that are now unmountable. >>>> >>>> A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused. >>>> Unfortunately, they are now unmountable. I know this to be the case >>>> from my own past experience with K3B, no mater if "format" or "quick >>>> format" is selected the result is the same, a disc that is unmountable. >>>> >>>> While delving into another laptop I've discovered that Windows 7 is >>>> able to mount the previously unmountable discs and format all but one >>>> of them as UDF discs. >>>> >>>> Apparently buying a copy of Windows 7 or 8 is not an option. So is >>>> there an easy GUI for formatting or erasing discs that won't leave >>>> them unmountable? I've looked at "udftools" but it's use is rather >>>> complex. >>>> >>> >>> What do you really mean by "unmountable"? >>> >>> Do you mean that once they are mounted they cannot be unmounted (ie, >>> cannot use 'umount /dev/sdX)? Or do you mean that you cannot MOUNT the >>> discs? >>> >>> And if it is the latter case (cannot mount them), what setting do you >>> have in System Settings>Removable Devices? (And if you start Dolphin >>> does the DVD disc show up in the left-hand window?) >>> >> >> Thanks for replying Basil. >> >> By "unmountable" I mean that the discs are not visible to the system. >> >> If a DVD is placed into it's drive then the various options are >> displayed, such as open with Dolphin. > > Which means that the disc is recognised - and you can open it with > Dolphin. And unless you open it with Dolphin you won't be able to read > its contents. > >> After the disc is formatted with K3b then nothing happens, apart from >> the disc spinning for a few moments. > > Now this is where I should have read your original post more closely. > > You are talking about REWRITABLE discs, right? > > Well once they are formatted k3b will not format them again - because > there is no need to format them again. Any data on a rewritable disc > will simply be overwritten. > > Bottom line therefore is - you format a NEW clean RW disc once and > that's it. > >> The same "unmountable" disk, once reformatted under Windows, is >> accessible under Linux and can be written to under K3b. > > The reason for this I suspect is that Windows uses totally different > mumbo-jumbo in almost all of the things it does. I suspect that > Windows, being the brain dead system that it is, doesn't recognise the > disc and so reformats it as a new disc and Linux, of course, will see > this disc because it recognises Windows formats. > >> Automatic mounting of all removable devices is enabled under Kubuntu. >> >> K3b, has over the years, produced several formatted discs that are not >> mountable under Linux or Windows. > > I have some RW discs which I formatted with k3b. I checked them all a > few minutes ago and all work fine so the problem is not with k3b. > >> I have Xubuntu on another laptop and the faulty discs will not mount >> on that system either so it's not a mechanical problem or a problem >> peculiar to KDE. >> >> I'm attempting to help two people. One is trying to delete the >> contents of his DVD collection so that they can be reused in his >> laptop. The other person records late night TV shows and would like to >> use his computer to erase the contents of the DVD ready for another >> recording session. The TV viewer has Windows so I can probably sort >> him out. > > Taking into account what I said above, what happens when you place one > of these "unmountable" discs in the drive and the menu comes up asking > you if you want to open the disc using Dolphin and you do just that? If > the disc is empty then you will see no contents. But what then happens > if you try to copy a file to this disc? I think you misunderstood him - as I read his post he states that once the RW disc is reformatted using K3B nothing happens. No actions options etc, but the disc just spins in the reader a few times From xintx.ua at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 07:21:00 2013 From: xintx.ua at gmail.com (int_ua) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:21:00 +0200 Subject: Why does purging kmail remove akregator and korganizer? In-Reply-To: <14261901.xWRa7N1OlA@lark-latitude-d630> References: <14261901.xWRa7N1OlA@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/1246578 2013/10/31 Clay Weber : > On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:36:01 AM Daniel Hollocher wrote: > >> for your situation, try running `ubuntu-bug akregator` > >> Make sure to add a link to the kde bug report > >> > >> I'm getting some bugs as well. I'm kinda curious how folks file bugs in > >> kde. Do you always file with the kde reporting tool? or do you start with > >> Ubuntu? > >> > > On KDE application issues, ie bugs, crashes, feature request, reporting to > KDE is best. Problems with packaging, hardware issues, and the like would go > to Ubuntu's Launchpad (ie ubuntu-bug), so in the case of the OP, reporting > it to Launchpad is the way to go. > > > > -- > > Clay Weber (claydoh) > > http://kubuntuforums.net > > http://claydoh.com > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From phil_lor at bigpond.com Thu Oct 31 07:30:19 2013 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:30:19 +1000 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5272070B.4060302@bigpond.com> On 10/31/2013 05:00 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 10/31/2013 08:46 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 31/10/13 15:13, Phil wrote: >>> On 10/31/2013 01:08 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>>> On 31/10/13 00:48, Phil wrote: >>>>> Thank you for reading this. >>>>> >>>>> I had encouraged an acquaintance to install Kubuntu and somehow he >>>>> managed to wipe Windows Vista during the process. Not a major disaster >>>>> so far but still it's an annoyance all round. The current problem for >>>>> me is that I have to provide a solution for several rewritable DVDs >>>>> that are now unmountable. >>>>> >>>>> A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused. >>>>> Unfortunately, they are now unmountable. I know this to be the case >>>>> from my own past experience with K3B, no mater if "format" or "quick >>>>> format" is selected the result is the same, a disc that is >>>>> unmountable. >>>>> >>>>> While delving into another laptop I've discovered that Windows 7 is >>>>> able to mount the previously unmountable discs and format all but one >>>>> of them as UDF discs. >>>>> >>>>> Apparently buying a copy of Windows 7 or 8 is not an option. So is >>>>> there an easy GUI for formatting or erasing discs that won't leave >>>>> them unmountable? I've looked at "udftools" but it's use is rather >>>>> complex. >>>>> >>>> >>>> What do you really mean by "unmountable"? >>>> >>>> Do you mean that once they are mounted they cannot be unmounted (ie, >>>> cannot use 'umount /dev/sdX)? Or do you mean that you cannot MOUNT the >>>> discs? >>>> >>>> And if it is the latter case (cannot mount them), what setting do you >>>> have in System Settings>Removable Devices? (And if you start Dolphin >>>> does the DVD disc show up in the left-hand window?) >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for replying Basil. >>> >>> By "unmountable" I mean that the discs are not visible to the system. >>> >>> If a DVD is placed into it's drive then the various options are >>> displayed, such as open with Dolphin. >> >> Which means that the disc is recognised - and you can open it with >> Dolphin. And unless you open it with Dolphin you won't be able to read >> its contents. >> >>> After the disc is formatted with K3b then nothing happens, apart from >>> the disc spinning for a few moments. >> >> Now this is where I should have read your original post more closely. >> >> You are talking about REWRITABLE discs, right? >> >> Well once they are formatted k3b will not format them again - because >> there is no need to format them again. Any data on a rewritable disc >> will simply be overwritten. >> >> Bottom line therefore is - you format a NEW clean RW disc once and >> that's it. >> >>> The same "unmountable" disk, once reformatted under Windows, is >>> accessible under Linux and can be written to under K3b. >> >> The reason for this I suspect is that Windows uses totally different >> mumbo-jumbo in almost all of the things it does. I suspect that >> Windows, being the brain dead system that it is, doesn't recognise the >> disc and so reformats it as a new disc and Linux, of course, will see >> this disc because it recognises Windows formats. >> >>> Automatic mounting of all removable devices is enabled under Kubuntu. >>> >>> K3b, has over the years, produced several formatted discs that are not >>> mountable under Linux or Windows. >> >> I have some RW discs which I formatted with k3b. I checked them all a >> few minutes ago and all work fine so the problem is not with k3b. >> >>> I have Xubuntu on another laptop and the faulty discs will not mount >>> on that system either so it's not a mechanical problem or a problem >>> peculiar to KDE. >>> >>> I'm attempting to help two people. One is trying to delete the >>> contents of his DVD collection so that they can be reused in his >>> laptop. The other person records late night TV shows and would like to >>> use his computer to erase the contents of the DVD ready for another >>> recording session. The TV viewer has Windows so I can probably sort >>> him out. >> >> Taking into account what I said above, what happens when you place one >> of these "unmountable" discs in the drive and the menu comes up asking >> you if you want to open the disc using Dolphin and you do just that? If >> the disc is empty then you will see no contents. But what then happens >> if you try to copy a file to this disc? > I think you misunderstood him - as I read his post he states that once > the RW disc is reformatted using K3B nothing happens. No actions options > etc, but the disc just spins in the reader a few times > That's exactly what happens. -- Regards, Phil From fluca1978 at infinito.it Thu Oct 31 07:37:57 2013 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:37:57 +0100 Subject: system incredibly slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:45 AM, CA G Rajesh wrote: > All of sudden, even my system does experience the same problem. As far as I > can understand, nepomuk seems to be the problem - it takes whooping 25% of > CPU often. In my case nepomuk does not seem to be the cause. However the "remove .kde stuff" did not do the trick as in other past problems I had, and even after removing the whole .kde directory I still have a desktop unusable at all. I believe the only thing that remains me to do is to reinstall the whole system if I want my KDE back, and this is going to take a long time to reconfigure every single piece of software, therefore if anyone has any other trial to do please let me know. Luca From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 31 08:05:27 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:05:27 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52720F47.4060902@iinet.net.au> On 31/10/13 18:00, O. Sinclair wrote: [...] > I think you misunderstood him - as I read his post he states that once > the RW disc is reformatted using K3B nothing happens. No actions > options etc, but the disc just spins in the reader a few times In his opening post Phil states, quite categorically, "A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused." "...so that they can be reused." What does this state? k3b will NOT reformat a RW disc if it has already been formatted. k3b will only format a NEW, UNUSED, blank RW disc. Try it and read the message which k3b shows. If Phil means something else then he should describe exactly what the situation is and what was formatted with what et al. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 08:07:48 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:07:48 +0200 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5272070B.4060302@bigpond.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> <5272070B.4060302@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <52720FD4.2000906@gmail.com> On 10/31/2013 09:30 AM, Phil wrote: > On 10/31/2013 05:00 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 10/31/2013 08:46 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> On 31/10/13 15:13, Phil wrote: >>>> On 10/31/2013 01:08 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>>>> On 31/10/13 00:48, Phil wrote: >>>>>> Thank you for reading this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I had encouraged an acquaintance to install Kubuntu and somehow he >>>>>> managed to wipe Windows Vista during the process. Not a major >>>>>> disaster >>>>>> so far but still it's an annoyance all round. The current problem for >>>>>> me is that I have to provide a solution for several rewritable DVDs >>>>>> that are now unmountable. >>>>>> >>>>>> A batch of DVDs were formatted using K3B so that they could be >>>>>> reused. >>>>>> Unfortunately, they are now unmountable. I know this to be the case >>>>>> from my own past experience with K3B, no mater if "format" or "quick >>>>>> format" is selected the result is the same, a disc that is >>>>>> unmountable. >>>>>> >>>>>> While delving into another laptop I've discovered that Windows 7 is >>>>>> able to mount the previously unmountable discs and format all but one >>>>>> of them as UDF discs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently buying a copy of Windows 7 or 8 is not an option. So is >>>>>> there an easy GUI for formatting or erasing discs that won't leave >>>>>> them unmountable? I've looked at "udftools" but it's use is rather >>>>>> complex. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What do you really mean by "unmountable"? >>>>> >>>>> Do you mean that once they are mounted they cannot be unmounted (ie, >>>>> cannot use 'umount /dev/sdX)? Or do you mean that you cannot MOUNT the >>>>> discs? >>>>> >>>>> And if it is the latter case (cannot mount them), what setting do you >>>>> have in System Settings>Removable Devices? (And if you start Dolphin >>>>> does the DVD disc show up in the left-hand window?) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for replying Basil. >>>> >>>> By "unmountable" I mean that the discs are not visible to the system. >>>> >>>> If a DVD is placed into it's drive then the various options are >>>> displayed, such as open with Dolphin. >>> >>> Which means that the disc is recognised - and you can open it with >>> Dolphin. And unless you open it with Dolphin you won't be able to read >>> its contents. >>> >>>> After the disc is formatted with K3b then nothing happens, apart from >>>> the disc spinning for a few moments. >>> >>> Now this is where I should have read your original post more closely. >>> >>> You are talking about REWRITABLE discs, right? >>> >>> Well once they are formatted k3b will not format them again - because >>> there is no need to format them again. Any data on a rewritable disc >>> will simply be overwritten. >>> >>> Bottom line therefore is - you format a NEW clean RW disc once and >>> that's it. >>> >>>> The same "unmountable" disk, once reformatted under Windows, is >>>> accessible under Linux and can be written to under K3b. >>> >>> The reason for this I suspect is that Windows uses totally different >>> mumbo-jumbo in almost all of the things it does. I suspect that >>> Windows, being the brain dead system that it is, doesn't recognise the >>> disc and so reformats it as a new disc and Linux, of course, will see >>> this disc because it recognises Windows formats. >>> >>>> Automatic mounting of all removable devices is enabled under Kubuntu. >>>> >>>> K3b, has over the years, produced several formatted discs that are not >>>> mountable under Linux or Windows. >>> >>> I have some RW discs which I formatted with k3b. I checked them all a >>> few minutes ago and all work fine so the problem is not with k3b. >>> >>>> I have Xubuntu on another laptop and the faulty discs will not mount >>>> on that system either so it's not a mechanical problem or a problem >>>> peculiar to KDE. >>>> >>>> I'm attempting to help two people. One is trying to delete the >>>> contents of his DVD collection so that they can be reused in his >>>> laptop. The other person records late night TV shows and would like to >>>> use his computer to erase the contents of the DVD ready for another >>>> recording session. The TV viewer has Windows so I can probably sort >>>> him out. >>> >>> Taking into account what I said above, what happens when you place one >>> of these "unmountable" discs in the drive and the menu comes up asking >>> you if you want to open the disc using Dolphin and you do just that? If >>> the disc is empty then you will see no contents. But what then happens >>> if you try to copy a file to this disc? >> I think you misunderstood him - as I read his post he states that once >> the RW disc is reformatted using K3B nothing happens. No actions options >> etc, but the disc just spins in the reader a few times >> > > That's exactly what happens. > I am afraid I am not of much help with the issue itself as I don't have any DVD RW lying around. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 08:11:09 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:11:09 +0200 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <52720F47.4060902@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> <52720F47.4060902@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <5272109D.4070203@gmail.com> On 10/31/2013 10:05 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 31/10/13 18:00, O. Sinclair wrote: > > [...] > > >> I think you misunderstood him - as I read his post he states that once >> the RW disc is reformatted using K3B nothing happens. No actions >> options etc, but the disc just spins in the reader a few times > > In his opening post Phil states, quite categorically, "A batch of DVDs > were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused." > > "...so that they can be reused." > > What does this state? > > k3b will NOT reformat a RW disc if it has already been formatted. > > k3b will only format a NEW, UNUSED, blank RW disc. > > Try it and read the message which k3b shows. > > If Phil means something else then he should describe exactly what the > situation is and what was formatted with what et al. > Well I think this is semantics. Clearly he means erasing a rewritable, something many call reformatting. K3b says "format/erase rewritable disc" in its menu And as I get it following that procedure the discs are not recognised by his Kubuntu system. From ca.grajesh at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 08:16:05 2013 From: ca.grajesh at gmail.com (CA G Rajesh) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:46:05 +0530 Subject: system incredibly slow References: Message-ID: Before reinstall, why don't you just update (those are in pipeline) from proposed updates repository. I plan to do it. Perhaps, it has the fix for us ;) Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:45 AM, CA G Rajesh wrote: >> All of sudden, even my system does experience the same problem. As far as >> I can understand, nepomuk seems to be the problem - it takes whooping 25% >> of CPU often. > > In my case nepomuk does not seem to be the cause. However the "remove > .kde stuff" did not do the trick as in other past problems I had, and > even after removing the whole .kde directory I still have a desktop > unusable at all. > I believe the only thing that remains me to do is to reinstall the > whole system if I want my KDE back, and this is going to take a long > time to reconfigure every single piece of software, therefore if > anyone has any other trial to do please let me know. > > Luca From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 31 08:22:39 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:22:39 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5272109D.4070203@gmail.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> <52720F47.4060902@iinet.net.au> <5272109D.4070203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5272134F.4030809@iinet.net.au> On 31/10/13 19:11, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 10/31/2013 10:05 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 31/10/13 18:00, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> >>> I think you misunderstood him - as I read his post he states that once >>> the RW disc is reformatted using K3B nothing happens. No actions >>> options etc, but the disc just spins in the reader a few times >> >> In his opening post Phil states, quite categorically, "A batch of DVDs >> were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused." >> >> "...so that they can be reused." >> >> What does this state? >> >> k3b will NOT reformat a RW disc if it has already been formatted. >> >> k3b will only format a NEW, UNUSED, blank RW disc. >> >> Try it and read the message which k3b shows. >> >> If Phil means something else then he should describe exactly what the >> situation is and what was formatted with what et al. >> > Well I think this is semantics. Clearly he means erasing a rewritable, > something many call reformatting. K3b says "format/erase rewritable > disc" in its menu I know that. Read what I wrote. k3b will NOT format or erase any WR disc is it has already been formatted! > And as I get it following that procedure the discs are not recognised > by his Kubuntu system. If k3b will not format an already formatted RW disc then how can this happen? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 10:32:59 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:32:59 +0200 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <5272134F.4030809@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> <52720F47.4060902@iinet.net.au> <5272109D.4070203@gmail.com> <5272134F.4030809@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <527231DB.8020601@gmail.com> On 10/31/2013 10:22 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 31/10/13 19:11, O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 10/31/2013 10:05 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> On 31/10/13 18:00, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> >>>> I think you misunderstood him - as I read his post he states that once >>>> the RW disc is reformatted using K3B nothing happens. No actions >>>> options etc, but the disc just spins in the reader a few times >>> >>> In his opening post Phil states, quite categorically, "A batch of DVDs >>> were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused." >>> >>> "...so that they can be reused." >>> >>> What does this state? >>> >>> k3b will NOT reformat a RW disc if it has already been formatted. >>> >>> k3b will only format a NEW, UNUSED, blank RW disc. >>> >>> Try it and read the message which k3b shows. >>> >>> If Phil means something else then he should describe exactly what the >>> situation is and what was formatted with what et al. >>> >> Well I think this is semantics. Clearly he means erasing a rewritable, >> something many call reformatting. K3b says "format/erase rewritable >> disc" in its menu > > > > I know that. > > Read what I wrote. > > k3b will NOT format or erase any WR disc is it has already been formatted! > >> And as I get it following that procedure the discs are not recognised >> by his Kubuntu system. > > If k3b will not format an already formatted RW disc then how can this > happen? > Well I am not sure what we seem to be debating here. 1. he has RW DVD with old content, he wants to wipe/erase/reformat whatever to reuse it as a blank DVD 2. using K3b and the menu Tools/Format-Erase K3b does something and then ejects the DVD 3. on reinserting the DVD the system does not react to it 4. if taken to a windows system and same procedure done by whatever software DVD is again reacognised by Kubuntu I have no RW DVD so I can not do this at the moment but I have several times done it with CD RW discs without this problem. When I reinserted the CD my Kubuntu would recognise it and the device-notifyer give me some action options (Dolphin, K3b and so on) So, as I understand it, the problem lies in that K3b does something to/with the DVD RW that disables Kubuntu recognising it Regards, Sinclair From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 31 11:12:03 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:12:03 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <527231DB.8020601@gmail.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5271C9A5.2000201@iinet.net.au> <5271D8E5.10506@bigpond.com> <5271FCDF.3010907@iinet.net.au> <5272001F.40002@gmail.com> <52720F47.4060902@iinet.net.au> <5272109D.4070203@gmail.com> <5272134F.4030809@iinet.net.au> <527231DB.8020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52723B03.3090105@iinet.net.au> On 31/10/13 21:32, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 10/31/2013 10:22 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 31/10/13 19:11, O. Sinclair wrote: >>> On 10/31/2013 10:05 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>>> On 31/10/13 18:00, O. Sinclair wrote: >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think you misunderstood him - as I read his post he states that >>>>> once >>>>> the RW disc is reformatted using K3B nothing happens. No actions >>>>> options etc, but the disc just spins in the reader a few times >>>> >>>> In his opening post Phil states, quite categorically, "A batch of DVDs >>>> were formatted using K3B so that they could be reused." >>>> >>>> "...so that they can be reused." >>>> >>>> What does this state? >>>> >>>> k3b will NOT reformat a RW disc if it has already been formatted. >>>> >>>> k3b will only format a NEW, UNUSED, blank RW disc. >>>> >>>> Try it and read the message which k3b shows. >>>> >>>> If Phil means something else then he should describe exactly what the >>>> situation is and what was formatted with what et al. >>>> >>> Well I think this is semantics. Clearly he means erasing a rewritable, >>> something many call reformatting. K3b says "format/erase rewritable >>> disc" in its menu >> >> >> >> I know that. >> >> Read what I wrote. >> >> k3b will NOT format or erase any WR disc is it has already been >> formatted! >> >>> And as I get it following that procedure the discs are not recognised >>> by his Kubuntu system. >> >> If k3b will not format an already formatted RW disc then how can this >> happen? >> > Well I am not sure what we seem to be debating here. > > 1. he has RW DVD with old content, he wants to wipe/erase/reformat > whatever to reuse it as a blank DVD OK, I will repeat this very slowly....... :-) Once a RW DVD has been formatted there is no need to erase it or format it, if this is the terminology you want to use. If you want to writ to it again then simply write to it and whatever is on the RW disc will be overwritten. Is this clear enough? > 2. using K3b and the menu Tools/Format-Erase K3b does something and > then ejects the DVD I already stated to see the message you get from k3b. This message is quite clear: the RW disc does not need to be formatted (as it is already formatted), and all you need to do is to write to it to overwrite what is already on it. The disc is therefore untouched by k3b and k3b shows SUCCESS! in the outcome window. > 3. on reinserting the DVD the system does not react to it If a menu comes up asking how this disc is to be opened - with Dolphin for example - then the disc is recognised and accessible - but *only* if you first open it with Dolphin *OR* mount it manually. This has all to do with new fangdangled way which udev now handles these things. So, if the menu shows that Dolphin can open the disc then the disc is available to be written to. > 4. if taken to a windows system and same procedure done by whatever > software DVD is again reacognised by Kubuntu I already said that Windows does its own thing. In the first instance it doesn't recognise anything Linux so it would treat such a disc as some foreign body which needs to be flogged into shape - and will reformat it in its own protocol. Of course Linux recognises this protocol. If you check around you will find that there is 'warning' about playing some discs formatted in Windows on Linux because of the whacky way Windows does things. I cannot point you are any references but you will find them if you search the web. > > I have no RW DVD so I can not do this at the moment but I have several > times done it with CD RW discs without this problem. When I reinserted > the CD my Kubuntu would recognise it and the device-notifyer give me > some action options (Dolphin, K3b and so on) > > So, as I understand it, the problem lies in that K3b does something > to/with the DVD RW that disables Kubuntu recognising it Nothing to do with k3b. BUT I will concede that there just may be the case where k3b is at fault: it all depends on which version of k3b is being used. (In fact the OP does not mention anything about which version of Kubuntu or KDE he is running or which versin of k3b is used.) There was, a few years ago, where k3b was spitting the dummy because following some copyright stoush the engine on which k3b relies was changed (drecord or something like this comes to mind - someone here may remember the real facts). But this has been resolved a looooong time ago and k3b works perfectly. I don't use anything else. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From myriam at kubuntu.org Thu Oct 31 11:15:05 2013 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:15:05 +0100 Subject: 13.10 mouse in GNOME apps In-Reply-To: <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> References: <526BBF18.4080306@lyonlabs.org> <526F387D.5020104@free.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Girard Henri wrote: > > Le 28/10/2013 10:49, Chris Luck a écrit : > >> On 26/10/13 14:09, Glenn Holmer wrote: >>> >>> Has anybody else noticed the mouse not working right in GNOME apps >>> (like Synaptic)? What I'm seeing is that a) the scroll wheel doesn't >>> work at all, and b) clicking in the scrollbar, instead of paging up >>> or down, jumps directly to the place you clicked. I'm seeing it on >>> four different machines so far, so I don't think it's a configuration >>> issue. >> >> >> I'm seeing that in Synaptic but not in other gnome apps. (i.e. Audacity, >> Gimp). There appears to be a problem with the oxygen-gtk theme, if you switch to a plain oxygen theme or any other it works fine. Regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From kassube at gmx.net Thu Oct 31 13:26:01 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:26:01 +0100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <527231DB.8020601@gmail.com> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5272134F.4030809@iinet.net.au> <527231DB.8020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1464705.cShLTMtHTp@p5915> O. Sinclair wrote: > On 10/31/2013 10:22 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > > Read what I wrote. > > > > k3b will NOT format or erase any WR disc is it has already been > > formatted!> That's only partly right, i.e. there is an option to force k3b to format the DVD-RW anyway. But then you get a warning telling you that the medium may become unusable after formatting it 10 to 20 times. > 1. he has RW DVD with old content, he wants to wipe/erase/reformat > whatever to reuse it as a blank DVD > 2. using K3b and the menu Tools/Format-Erase K3b does something and > then ejects the DVD > 3. on reinserting the DVD the system does not react to it > 4. if taken to a windows system and same procedure done by whatever > software DVD is again reacognised by Kubuntu > > I have no RW DVD so I can not do this at the moment but I have several > times done it with CD RW discs without this problem. Please note that DVD-RW are different in that you have to format a CD-RW before writing new data to it, but you just write new data to a DVD-RW, like Basil wrote. > When I > reinserted the CD my Kubuntu would recognise it and the > device-notifyer give me some action options (Dolphin, K3b and so on) When I tried that with a newly formatted CD-RW, the device notifier would not offer the option to open it with Dolphin, only two options to open it with k3b. And it was named "Empty CD-RW" (my translation). IOW it was unmountable. And I think k3b may not write a file system because that would be the same as writing new data to the disc. Actually I think, a CD-RW isn't formatted but rather erased. I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force option of k3b) and the device notifier now doesn't offer any options to open it and it is named "Empty DVD+RW" (my translation). Again the disk is unmountable because there is no file system on the disk. My conclusion: If you format a rewritable DVD or CD with k3b, there is no filesystem on it and therefore you can't mount it. And I have no idea what exactly Windows does with the DVD-RW if you format it, but it must write some file system to it. And if it matters: I tried all that with Kubuntu 12.04 with KDE 4.11.2 from the backports-ppa. Nils From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 13:42:31 2013 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:42:31 +0200 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <1464705.cShLTMtHTp@p5915> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5272134F.4030809@iinet.net.au> <527231DB.8020601@gmail.com> <1464705.cShLTMtHTp@p5915> Message-ID: <52725E47.1060707@gmail.com> On 10/31/2013 03:26 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > O. Sinclair wrote: >> On 10/31/2013 10:22 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: >>> Read what I wrote. >>> >>> k3b will NOT format or erase any WR disc is it has already been >>> formatted!> > > That's only partly right, i.e. there is an option to force k3b to format > the DVD-RW anyway. But then you get a warning telling you that the > medium may become unusable after formatting it 10 to 20 times. > >> 1. he has RW DVD with old content, he wants to wipe/erase/reformat >> whatever to reuse it as a blank DVD >> 2. using K3b and the menu Tools/Format-Erase K3b does something and >> then ejects the DVD >> 3. on reinserting the DVD the system does not react to it >> 4. if taken to a windows system and same procedure done by whatever >> software DVD is again reacognised by Kubuntu >> >> I have no RW DVD so I can not do this at the moment but I have several >> times done it with CD RW discs without this problem. > > Please note that DVD-RW are different in that you have to format a CD-RW > before writing new data to it, but you just write new data to a DVD-RW, > like Basil wrote. > >> When I >> reinserted the CD my Kubuntu would recognise it and the >> device-notifyer give me some action options (Dolphin, K3b and so on) > > When I tried that with a newly formatted CD-RW, the device notifier > would not offer the option to open it with Dolphin, only two options to > open it with k3b. And it was named "Empty CD-RW" (my translation). IOW > it was unmountable. And I think k3b may not write a file system because > that would be the same as writing new data to the disc. Actually I > think, a CD-RW isn't formatted but rather erased. > > I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force option > of k3b) and the device notifier now doesn't offer any options to open it > and it is named "Empty DVD+RW" (my translation). Again the disk is > unmountable because there is no file system on the disk. > > My conclusion: If you format a rewritable DVD or CD with k3b, there is > no filesystem on it and therefore you can't mount it. And I have no idea > what exactly Windows does with the DVD-RW if you format it, but it must > write some file system to it. > > And if it matters: I tried all that with Kubuntu 12.04 with KDE 4.11.2 > from the backports-ppa. > thanks for the clarifications - I have only done this with CD RW, tried it now just to check actually. It works just as you describe it. If DVD-RW are different then I am not of much help From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 31 13:55:14 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:55:14 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <1464705.cShLTMtHTp@p5915> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <5272134F.4030809@iinet.net.au> <527231DB.8020601@gmail.com> <1464705.cShLTMtHTp@p5915> Message-ID: <52726142.8080004@iinet.net.au> On 01/11/13 00:26, Nils Kassube wrote: [...] > I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force option > of k3b) Which is rather interesting because when I tried this I got the same result as doing a normal erase/format - that is, it didn't do anything and gave me the message that you don't format an already formatted disc. This was with DVD+RW. Perhaps a different result if a DVD-RW is used? [...] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From kassube at gmx.net Thu Oct 31 14:05:08 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:05:08 +0100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <52726142.8080004@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <1464705.cShLTMtHTp@p5915> <52726142.8080004@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20344114.IECxRqWVYU@p5915> Basil Chupin wrote: > On 01/11/13 00:26, Nils Kassube wrote: > > I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force > > option of k3b) > > Which is rather interesting because when I tried this I got the same > result as doing a normal erase/format - that is, it didn't do anything > and gave me the message that you don't format an already formatted > disc. > > This was with DVD+RW. Perhaps a different result if a DVD-RW is used? I also got the message that you shouldn't format the DVD+RW and it didn't format it when I tried it the first time. Then I used the force option and k3b formatted the disk but also wrote the warning mentioned in my previous mail. I don't have a DVD-RW to check it, but I think there should be no difference. Nils From blchupin at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 31 14:15:03 2013 From: blchupin at iinet.net.au (Basil Chupin) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 01:15:03 +1100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <20344114.IECxRqWVYU@p5915> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <1464705.cShLTMtHTp@p5915> <52726142.8080004@iinet.net.au> <20344114.IECxRqWVYU@p5915> Message-ID: <527265E7.1070407@iinet.net.au> On 01/11/13 01:05, Nils Kassube wrote: > Basil Chupin wrote: >> On 01/11/13 00:26, Nils Kassube wrote: >>> I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force >>> option of k3b) >> Which is rather interesting because when I tried this I got the same >> result as doing a normal erase/format - that is, it didn't do anything >> and gave me the message that you don't format an already formatted >> disc. >> >> This was with DVD+RW. Perhaps a different result if a DVD-RW is used? > I also got the message that you shouldn't format the DVD+RW and it > didn't format it when I tried it the first time. Then I used the force > option and k3b formatted the disk but also wrote the warning mentioned > in my previous mail. I don't have a DVD-RW to check it, but I think > there should be no difference. > > > Nils I was actually referring to the use of the force option (and not the quick format). I have 2 DVD+RWs, one with data and one with a copy of an actual DVD movie. Neither were touched by k3b's Force format and the contents therefore remained intact. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.11.6-3 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU From kassube at gmx.net Thu Oct 31 14:41:38 2013 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:41:38 +0100 Subject: Unmountable DVDs In-Reply-To: <527265E7.1070407@iinet.net.au> References: <5271A8FB.7040901@bigpond.com> <20344114.IECxRqWVYU@p5915> <527265E7.1070407@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <2983622.YBLxxVhA1r@p5915> Basil Chupin wrote: > On 01/11/13 01:05, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Basil Chupin wrote: > >> On 01/11/13 00:26, Nils Kassube wrote: > >>> I also tried it with a DVD+RW which I reformatted (with the force > >>> option of k3b) > >> > >> Which is rather interesting because when I tried this I got the > >> same > >> result as doing a normal erase/format - that is, it didn't do > >> anything and gave me the message that you don't format an already > >> formatted disc. > >> > >> This was with DVD+RW. Perhaps a different result if a DVD-RW is > >> used? > > > > I also got the message that you shouldn't format the DVD+RW and it > > didn't format it when I tried it the first time. Then I used the > > force option and k3b formatted the disk but also wrote the warning > > mentioned in my previous mail. I don't have a DVD-RW to check it, > > but I think there should be no difference. > > I was actually referring to the use of the force option (and not the > quick format). > > I have 2 DVD+RWs, one with data and one with a copy of an actual DVD > movie. Neither were touched by k3b's Force format and the contents > therefore remained intact. Hmm, that's interesting - is the behaviour the same with and without the force option ticked? On my DVD+RW was an old Xubuntu livecd image before I formatted it. Maybe it is a feature of the underlying cdrecord version. Kubuntu 12.04 actually uses Wodim 1.1.11 - maybe your Opensuse version behaves differently and ignores the force option? Nils