From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Wed Jan 1 04:27:27 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 04:27:27 +0000 Subject: apt-get error Message-ID: <215721.239426301-sendEmail@xpresso> On Mon, 30 Dec 2013, theuteck at gmail.com wrote: > Did you look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Yes I did, but overlooked it, as none of the file names had the name, "launchpad", in them, but when I looked in the files themselves, they all had it in them. So I commented them all out, and still got the weird gpg error, but now, "apt-get upgrade", works without a bobble. > On Monday, December 30, 2013 06:51:59 PM kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: >> Just a bit ago, I tried to do an apt-get update/upgrade, >> and got the following error message: >> >> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net precise/main Translation-en_US >> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net precise/main Translation-en >> Fetched 388 B in 3s (122 B/s) >> Reading package lists... Done >> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net precise Release: >> The following signatures couldn't be verified because >> the public key is not available: >> NO_PUBKEY D258A9281AF466B2 >> >> I tried checking the files in /etc/apt, in order to >> comment it out and try again, but I couldn't find >> a reference to launchpad in any of them. I'm sure I'm >> missing something, but what/were is it? >> >> TIA >> >> Bill > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From rjlapham at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 02:38:21 2014 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:38:21 -0500 Subject: Grub: file not found Message-ID: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> I have a laptop with configured as follows: Kubuntu 11.04 on sda5, Kubuntu 12.04 (upgraded from 11.04) on sda 6, Mageia 1.0 on sda7, and Kubuntu 13.10 (clean install) on sda8. My active Grub (original) is on sda5. Kubuntu 11.04 on sda5 boots fine. Kubuntu 12.04 (upgraded from 11.04) on sda 6 will boot the vmlinux-2.6.38-16- generic copied from 11.04 but gives me a "file not found" if I try to boot the vmlinuz-3.2.0-58-generic supplied by the upgrade despite the fact I can see it in the /boot directory. Kubuntu 13.10 (clean install) on sda8 gives me a "file not found" if I try to boot its vmlinuz-3.11.0-14-generic despite the fact I can see it in the /boot directory. BTW, when I first installed 13.10, it booted using Grub2. The later 11.04 to 12.04 upgrade took me back to original Grub on sda5. Is there some other reason for getting "Error 15: File not found" when the file is actually there? -Jerry ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= "My guitar is broken," Tom fretted. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Mon Jan 6 02:59:28 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:59:28 -0500 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> Message-ID: <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> On 2014-01-05 21:38 (GMT-0500) Jerry Lapham composed: > I have a laptop with configured as follows: > Kubuntu 11.04 on sda5, > Kubuntu 12.04 (upgraded from 11.04) on sda 6, > Mageia 1.0 on sda7, and > Kubuntu 13.10 (clean install) on sda8. > My active Grub (original) is on sda5. > Kubuntu 11.04 on sda5 boots fine. > Kubuntu 12.04 (upgraded from 11.04) on sda 6 will boot the vmlinux-2.6.38-16- > generic copied from 11.04 but gives me a "file not found" if I try to boot the > vmlinuz-3.2.0-58-generic supplied by the upgrade despite the fact I can see it > in the /boot directory. Was the 11.04 on sda6 that was upgraded to 12.04 initially made by some form of cloning from sda5? If so, grub needed to be installed to sda6 somewhere along the way, may not have been, and if so, what is there now is pointing to sda5, and finding 2.6.38 on and loading from sda5, not sda6. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From cody.smith9202 at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 05:19:24 2014 From: cody.smith9202 at gmail.com (Cody Smith) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:19:24 -0800 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: also, for Grub (and most bootloaders for that matter) to find vmlinuz-linux on a setup WITHOUT a separate /boot PARTITION (not just a directory), the vmlinuz-linux file has to be at the root of the filesystem (i.e. /vmlinuz-linux instead of /boot/vmlinuz-linux), this is because bootloaders read the fs differently than the kernel and userspace tools. if this is the case for you (which I don't know how this happened, the debian packages should have put the image in the correct place automagically), simply copy the file from /boot to / as root. --c_smith On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-01-05 21:38 (GMT-0500) Jerry Lapham composed: > > > I have a laptop with configured as follows: >> Kubuntu 11.04 on sda5, >> Kubuntu 12.04 (upgraded from 11.04) on sda 6, >> Mageia 1.0 on sda7, and >> Kubuntu 13.10 (clean install) on sda8. >> > > My active Grub (original) is on sda5. >> > > Kubuntu 11.04 on sda5 boots fine. >> > > Kubuntu 12.04 (upgraded from 11.04) on sda 6 will boot the >> vmlinux-2.6.38-16- >> generic copied from 11.04 but gives me a "file not found" if I try to >> boot the >> vmlinuz-3.2.0-58-generic supplied by the upgrade despite the fact I can >> see it >> in the /boot directory. >> > > Was the 11.04 on sda6 that was upgraded to 12.04 initially made by some > form of cloning from sda5? 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URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Mon Jan 6 09:46:53 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:46:53 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1389001613.708.7.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 21:19 -0800, Cody Smith wrote: > also, for Grub (and most bootloaders for that matter) to find > vmlinuz-linux on a setup WITHOUT a separate /boot PARTITION (not just > a directory), the vmlinuz-linux file has to be at the root of the > filesystem (i.e. /vmlinuz-linux instead of /boot/vmlinuz-linux), this > is because bootloaders read the fs differently than the kernel and > userspace tools. Bullshit! > if this is the case for you (which I don't know how this happened, the > debian packages should have put the image in the correct place > automagically), simply copy the file from /boot to / as root. Even if this would be true, a link would be the correct way. FWIW, it's also common to search the web, before asking dumb questions. There are several howtos available, to solve the most likely reasons for this issue. And please post to the list on what sd[xy] your /boot partitions are and the output of "cat path/to/grub.cfg", usually its /boot/grub/grub.cfg. From clay at claydoh.com Mon Jan 6 13:47:19 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 08:47:19 -0500 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1389001613.708.7.camel@archlinux> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389001613.708.7.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <5223928.RLx3jXBR3v@lark-latitude-d630> On Monday, January 06, 2014 10:46:53 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 21:19 -0800, Cody Smith wrote: > > also, for Grub (and most bootloaders for that matter) to find > > vmlinuz-linux on a setup WITHOUT a separate /boot PARTITION (not just > > a directory), the vmlinuz-linux file has to be at the root of the > > filesystem (i.e. /vmlinuz-linux instead of /boot/vmlinuz-linux), this > > is because bootloaders read the fs differently than the kernel and > > userspace tools. > > Bullshit! Please refrain from such language on the list. > > > if this is the case for you (which I don't know how this happened, the > > debian packages should have put the image in the correct place > > automagically), simply copy the file from /boot to / as root. > > Even if this would be true, a link would be the correct way. > > FWIW, it's also common to search the web, before asking dumb questions. Such harshness is not welcome, either. Sending users to a search engine is little different from the old "rtfm", and may well be worse with all the old outdated info is discovered in the results these days. If one does not wish to offer help, there is no need to respond. > > > There are several howtos available, to solve the most likely reasons for > this issue. > > And please post to the list on what sd[xy] your /boot partitions are and > the output of "cat path/to/grub.cfg", usually its /boot/grub/grub.cfg. 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URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Mon Jan 6 14:37:49 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:37:49 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1389017646.923.16.camel@archlinux> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389001613.708.7.camel@archlinux> <5223928.RLx3jXBR3v@lark-latitude-d630> <1389017646.923.16.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1389019069.923.18.camel@archlinux> Hopefully it are technical issues, that my mail didn't come through the list ;). -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Ralf To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Grub: file not found Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:14:06 +0100 Mailer: Evolution 3.10.3 > On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 08:47 -0500, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Monday, January 06, 2014 10:46:53 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 21:19 -0800, Cody Smith wrote: > > > > > > also, for Grub (and most bootloaders for that matter) to find > > > > > > vmlinuz-linux on a setup WITHOUT a separate /boot PARTITION (not > > just > > > > > > a directory), the vmlinuz-linux file has to be at the root of the > > > > > > filesystem (i.e. /vmlinuz-linux instead of /boot/vmlinuz-linux), > > this > > > > > > is because bootloaders read the fs differently than the kernel and > > > > > > userspace tools. > > > > > > > > > > Bullshit! > > > > Please refrain from such language on the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if this is the case for you (which I don't know how this happened, > > the > > > > > > debian packages should have put the image in the correct place > > > > > > automagically), simply copy the file from /boot to / as root. > > > > > > > > > > Even if this would be true, a link would be the correct way. > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, it's also common to search the web, before asking dumb > > questions. > > > > Such harshness is not welcome, either. Sending users to a search > > engine is little different from the old "rtfm", and may well be worse > > with all the old outdated info is discovered in the results these > > days. > > > > > > > > If one does not wish to offer help, there is no need to respond. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several howtos available, to solve the most likely reasons > > for > > > > > this issue. > > > > > > > > > > And please post to the list on what sd[xy] your /boot partitions are > > and > > > > > the output of "cat path/to/grub.cfg", usually > > its /boot/grub/grub.cfg. > > > > > > -- > > > > Clay Weber (claydoh) > > > > Moderator hat is > > > > http://kubuntuforums.net > > > > http://claydoh.com > > > > Thank you for sending your reply duplicated and bad formatted. > > Ok, next time I will consider not to comment misinformation, so that > people will follow completely wrong advices. > > However, the OP at least should be aware, that useful help only can be > given by posting the information I was asking for. > > On what partitions are the /boot dirs provided and what does grub.cfg > look like? > > Btw. it's common to send links to "explanations" that do sound as rough > as my comments on all Linux mailing lists I'm subscribed, assumed mails > with misinformation or requests that are easy to google or at least need > to provide more information, will pass moderation. > > It's also common to not send duplicated mails and to format mails with > correct line wrapping. > > No hard feelings! > > Regards, > Ralf > From kde.lists at yahoo.com Mon Jan 6 15:02:12 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:02:12 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 21:59 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > If so, grub needed to be installed to sda6 somewhere > along the way No, it doesn't matter where grub is installed, at best it should be installed to /dev/sda instead of installing it to a partition. It might be that the OP needs to run grub-install or that mounting is incorrect, IOW that fstab needs a fix or that grub.cfg needs a fix. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Mon Jan 6 17:18:17 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:18:17 -0500 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> On 2014-01-06 16:02 (GMT+0100) Ralf Mardorf composed: > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 21:59 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> If so, grub needed to be installed to sda6 somewhere >> along the way > No, it doesn't matter where grub is installed, It does in multiboot (OP here has 4 Linux distros) when you have Grub on each / or multiple /boots and you think it is pointing to one partition but the Grub living there due to a cloning operation is pointing to a different partition. In the OP's case, Grub code in sda6's boot sector could be pointing to sda5, where the 11.04 kernel and initrd certainly are, and the 12.04 kernel/initrd are not, making booting sda6 work with sda5's 11.04 kernel, but not with the 12.04 kernel that has no reason to be on sda5. The OP here did not provide enough information to explore all possible avenues of failure. > at best it should be > installed to /dev/sda instead of installing it to a partition. That deserves one of the words you were censored for using. Installing Grub to MBR on a multiboot system with multiple Grubs installed, each presuming *it* is the *master* boot loader, is a sure path to headaches for all but the most experienced Grub users, particularly if one or more non-Linux OS is installed. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Mon Jan 6 20:28:45 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:28:45 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1389040125.1020.10.camel@archlinux> For what reasons ever, my first mails sent to the list seems not to come through anymore :D, I need to resent them. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Ralf To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Grub: file not found Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:20:30 +0100 Mailer: Evolution 3.10.3 On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 12:18 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > The OP here did not provide enough information to explore all possible > avenues of failure. I agree, however I'm using GRUB 2 for a multi-boot too: [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo fdisk -l [sudo] password for rocketmouse: Disk /dev/sda: 298.1 GiB, 320072933376 bytes, 625142448 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x000f2fc6 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 63 121274495 60637216+ a5 FreeBSD /dev/sda2 121274746 625137344 251931299+ 5 Extended /dev/sda5 121274748 183751469 31238361 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda6 183751533 246421034 31334751 83 Linux /dev/sda7 246421098 309283379 31431141 83 Linux /dev/sda8 309283443 361967615 26342086+ 83 Linux /dev/sda9 361969664 477483007 57756672 83 Linux /dev/sda10 477485056 482031387 2273166 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda11 482031616 561872895 39920640 83 Linux /dev/sda12 561873438 569215079 3670821 83 Linux /dev/sda13 569215143 615514409 23149633+ 83 Linux /dev/sda14 615514473 625137344 4811436 83 Linux Disk /dev/sdb: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x000525e5 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 63 42971039 21485488+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sdb2 42973936 976766975 466896520 5 Extended /dev/sdb5 42973938 85931684 21478873+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb6 85931748 128696714 21382483+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb7 128696778 133789319 2546271 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sdb8 133789383 175943879 21077248+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb9 175943943 219190859 21623458+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb10 219190923 220211199 510138+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb11 220213248 273919999 26853376 83 Linux /dev/sdb12 273922048 347549695 36813824 83 Linux /dev/sdb13 347550273 429359103 40904415+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb14 429361152 871667711 221153280 83 Linux /dev/sdb15 871669760 976766975 52548608 83 Linux > > at best it should be > > installed to /dev/sda instead of installing it to a partition. > > That deserves one of the words you were censored for using. No ... > Installing Grub > to MBR on a multiboot system with multiple Grubs installed, each presuming > *it* is the *master* boot loader, is a sure path to headaches for all but the > most experienced Grub users, particularly if one or more non-Linux OS is > installed. ... since why should somebody use more than one GRUB? Regards, Ralf From mrmazda at earthlink.net Mon Jan 6 21:55:42 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:55:42 -0500 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1389040125.1020.10.camel@archlinux> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> <1389040125.1020.10.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <52CB265E.3090204@earthlink.net> On 2014-01-06 21:28 (GMT+0100) Ralf Mardorf composed: > On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 12:18 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo fdisk -l > [sudo] password for rocketmouse: > Disk /dev/sda: 298.1 GiB, 320072933376 bytes, 625142448 sectors > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 * 63 121274495 60637216+ a5 FreeBSD > /dev/sda14 615514473 625137344 4811436 83 Linux > Disk /dev/sdb: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdb1 * 63 42971039 21485488+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT > /dev/sdb15 871669760 976766975 52548608 83 Linux Your point? # uname -a Linux gx150 2.6.32-33-generic #72-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 29 21:08:37 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux # fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x0001613a Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 13 104391 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2 * 14 14 8032+ a OS/2 Boot Manager /dev/sda3 15 24 80325 6 FAT16 /dev/sda4 25 14593 117025492+ 5 Extended /dev/sda5 25 50 208813+ 83 Linux /dev/sda6 52 689 5124703+ b W95 FAT32 /dev/sda7 690 721 257008+ 6 FAT16 /dev/sda8 723 851 1036161 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda9 852 1463 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda10 1465 2076 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda11 2077 2688 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda12 2689 3300 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda13 3301 3708 3277228+ 83 Linux /dev/sda14 3709 3875 1341396 83 Linux /dev/sda15 3876 4079 1638598+ 83 Linux /dev/sda16 4080 4717 5124703+ 83 Linux /dev/sda17 4718 4747 240943+ 83 Linux /dev/sda18 4748 4887 1124518+ 83 Linux /dev/sda19 4888 5499 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda20 5500 6111 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda21 6112 6723 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda22 6724 7335 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda23 7336 7947 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda24 7948 8559 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda25 8560 9171 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda26 9172 9783 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda27 9784 10395 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda28 10396 11007 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda29 12743 13354 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda30 13355 13966 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda31 13967 14578 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sda32 14579 14583 40131 6 FAT16 /dev/sda33 14584 14593 80293+ 83 Linux Disk /dev/sdb: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2434 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x193e193d Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 1 13 104391 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sdb2 * 14 14 8032+ a OS/2 Boot Manager /dev/sdb3 15 24 80325 16 Hidden FAT16 /dev/sdb4 25 2434 19358325 5 Extended /dev/sdb5 25 34 80293+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb6 35 83 393561 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sdb7 84 695 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb8 696 899 1638598+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb9 900 1001 819283+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb10 1002 1352 2819376 83 Linux /dev/sdb11 1353 1964 4915858+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb12 1965 2434 3775243+ 83 Linux >> Installing Grub >> to MBR on a multiboot system with multiple Grubs installed, each presuming >> *it* is the *master* boot loader, is a sure path to headaches for all but the >> most experienced Grub users, particularly if one or more non-Linux OS is >> installed. > ... since why should somebody use more than one GRUB? Not a question of should, but of practicality and reality. Linux distro installation programs as a class, including *buntu's, usually presume the new OS needs a bootloader installed right along with the new OS, usually defaulting to MBR as its location, regardless of presence or not of one there already, usually making it difficult to either install no bootloader at all, and/or install one to some location other than to MBR. It's common for multibooters to maintain one independent master bootloader that does little more than function as a chainloader, with each individual OS installation serving as host to a dedicated bootloader, commonly only with stanzas specific to that installation. Multibooting is as much art as science. The OP has only 4 OS, which provides no less than 4! (24) plus 1 possible combinations of installed bootloader. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Tue Jan 7 16:29:44 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:29:44 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <52CB265E.3090204@earthlink.net> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <52CA1C10.6060201@earthlink.net> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> <1389040125.1020.10.camel@archlinux> <52CB265E.3090204@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1389112184.660.20.camel@archlinux> Most if not all good distros don't force to install a bootloader. Some distros, such as *buntus nowadays might force to do it, but it doesn't matter, after installing it, you simply can chroot to the original bootloader Linux install and reinstall the bootloader or simply stay with the new installed bootloader for the new installed *buntu, even this doesn't cause issues. Your claim simply is wrong! My point is, that I've got several Linux distros, FreeBSD and for hardware testing even XP installed and I installing and remove operating systems for more than 10 years now. However, my reply was the only reply providing help, since I didn't mention nonsense, but ask to provide more information. From rjlapham at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 21:49:35 2014 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:49:35 -0500 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> On Monday, January 06, 2014 12:18:17 PM Felix Miata wrote: > It does in multiboot (OP here has 4 Linux distros) when you have Grub on > each / or multiple /boots and you think it is pointing to one partition > but the Grub living there due to a cloning operation is pointing to a > different partition. In the OP's case, Grub code in sda6's boot sector > could be pointing to sda5, where the 11.04 kernel and initrd certainly are, > and the 12.04 kernel/initrd are not, making booting sda6 work with sda5's > 11.04 kernel, but not with the 12.04 kernel that has no reason to be on > sda5. > > The OP here did not provide enough information to explore all possible > avenues of failure. Actually, 11.04 was originally on sda6 and I cloned it to sda5, then I upgraded sda6 to 12.04. When I start the laptop, the GRUB that appears is definitely the one on sda5. The entries for 3.2.0-58 and 2.6.38-16 on sda6 both point to the same UUID. One works and the other doesn't. Since the file is actually there, I want to know if there is any other problem which which might be misreported as an "Error 15: File not found." -Jerry ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Is it information if no one knows it? From kde.lists at yahoo.com Tue Jan 7 23:35:52 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 00:35:52 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> Message-ID: <1389137752.1150.38.camel@archlinux> On Tue, 2014-01-07 at 16:49 -0500, Jerry Lapham wrote: > Since the file is actually there, I want to know if there is any other > problem which which might be misreported as an "Error 15: File not > found." Hi Jerry, the file might be there, but there could be several reason that the file isn't found. Is this the complete error message? Is there no information about the stage? It might be that the entry in grub.cfg doesn't use the correct partition and tries to boot another linux install. Or assumed /boot is on an own partition, that /boot isn't mounted at startup. I don't know if fstab is important (resp. not exactly at what point fstab becomes important) or if GRUB does it completely on it's own, however "grub-install –boot-directory=[...] /dev/sda" is the command to fix grub. If the start position of a boot partition changed, you anyway need to reinstall grub, at least by "grub-install /dev/sda". Stage 1 is in the MBR or what ever you're using. Stage 2 already is inside the Linux install, so if the error message contains a failure at stage 1.5, you need to reinstall grub. chroot from another Linux install into the broken Linux install and fix grub by "grub-install /dev/sda". Since you're not providing enough information, it's hard to say what the culprit is. I'm not a grub expert and my Linux are all completely inside /, IOW /boot isn't on it's own partition on my machine. To get a first rough impression, please post - the complete original error message - /etc/fstab of the "broken" Linux, IOW from another Linux it's /mountpoint/etc/fstab - ls /boot > ls.txt, resp. ls /mountpoint/boot > ls.txt - /boot/grub/grub.cfg, resp. /mountpoint/grub/grub.cfg - I suspect you did some Internet research on your own, what happened when you followed the instructions of a thread, that is marked as solved. What output did you get, when such a howto didn't solve the issue on your machine? Another issue could be caused by using /dev/sda[...] instead of an uuid or label for the grub.cfg entry. There is no guaranty that sda always is sda, even while it's unlikely that sda will change when using common hardware. Instead of chroot to reinstall grub, it's also possible to use a Linux, e.g. from a live CD that does use systemd instead of init scripts or upstart and use systemd-nspawn (maybe easier to use than chroot). Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Tue Jan 7 23:51:20 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 00:51:20 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> Message-ID: <1389138680.1150.43.camel@archlinux> Pardon, no additional info is needed. On Tue, 2014-01-07 at 16:49 -0500, Jerry Lapham wrote: > Actually, 11.04 was originally on sda6 and I cloned it to sda5, then I > upgraded sda6 to 12.04. The startpoint of the clone is different to the startpoint of the original install. > When I start the laptop, the GRUB that appears is definitely the one > on sda5. > The entries for 3.2.0-58 and 2.6.38-16 on sda6 both point to the same > UUID. What entries? Is the UUID for sda5 and sda6 the same ;)? > One works and the other doesn't. Sure, if you boot the old kernel for the new install, you likely not really boot the clone, but the original instead. You need to do the grub-install /dev/sda thingy and to update grub.cfg. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Tue Jan 7 23:59:10 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 00:59:10 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1389138680.1150.43.camel@archlinux> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> <1389138680.1150.43.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1389139150.1150.49.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 00:51 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Pardon, no additional info is needed. > > On Tue, 2014-01-07 at 16:49 -0500, Jerry Lapham wrote: > > Actually, 11.04 was originally on sda6 and I cloned it to sda5, then I > > upgraded sda6 to 12.04. > > The startpoint of the clone is different to the startpoint of the > original install. > > > When I start the laptop, the GRUB that appears is definitely the one > > on sda5. > > > The entries for 3.2.0-58 and 2.6.38-16 on sda6 both point to the same > > UUID. > > What entries? Is the UUID for sda5 and sda6 the same ;)? > > > One works and the other doesn't. > > Sure, if you boot the old kernel for the new install, you likely not > really boot the clone, but the original instead. > > You need to do the grub-install /dev/sda thingy and to update grub.cfg. PPS: It's correct that the old GRUB and not the clone's GRUB is used, but you are free to use what ever GRUB you prefer. You manually updated grub.cfg? Since during the upgrade the grub.cfg only should be automatically written for the clone and not be available for the new install, but since it was an update, GRUB wasn't reinstalled, that's why the old GRUB is used. The easiest thing for you would be to run grub-install /dev/sda from the old install (no chroot needed), and to run the os-prober-updater-thingy (google is your friend). I prefer to manually edit grub.cfg directly. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Jan 8 00:01:29 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 01:01:29 +0100 Subject: Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1389139150.1150.49.camel@archlinux> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> <1389138680.1150.43.camel@archlinux> <1389139150.1150.49.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1389139289.1150.51.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 00:59 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > and to run the os-prober-updater-thingy Or reinstall a kernel, than the os-prober-updater-thingy automatically will be run. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Jan 8 00:15:36 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 01:15:36 +0100 Subject: HOWTO [to avoid confusion, follow just this note] Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1389139150.1150.49.camel@archlinux> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> <1389138680.1150.43.camel@archlinux> <1389139150.1150.49.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1389140136.1150.58.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 00:59 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > PPS: > > It's correct that the old GRUB and not the clone's GRUB is used, but you > are free to use what ever GRUB you prefer. You manually updated > grub.cfg? Since during the upgrade the grub.cfg only should be > automatically written for the clone and not be available for the new ^^^ old grub :D Sorry, my explanations should be ok, but are likely confusing and might include more typos. Follow this howto: 1. run sudo grub-install /dev/sda 2. run (I guess it's) sudo update-grub however, or reinstalling a kernel will run the correct command then your old GRUB should be fixed and be able to install the new *buntu too, if you want to use the new install's GRUB, you need to chroot and than to follow 1. and 2. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Jan 8 00:19:04 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 01:19:04 +0100 Subject: HOWTO [to avoid confusion, follow just this note] Grub: file not found In-Reply-To: <1389140136.1150.58.camel@archlinux> References: <1972287.0eGy29CpjM@jerry-hp> <1389020532.923.27.camel@archlinux> <52CAE559.90608@earthlink.net> <3706462.Ut9iPKFfy6@jerry-hp> <1389138680.1150.43.camel@archlinux> <1389139150.1150.49.camel@archlinux> <1389140136.1150.58.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1389140344.1150.59.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 01:15 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 00:59 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > PPS: > > > > It's correct that the old GRUB and not the clone's GRUB is used, but you > > are free to use what ever GRUB you prefer. You manually updated > > grub.cfg? Since during the upgrade the grub.cfg only should be > > automatically written for the clone and not be available for the new > ^^^ > old grub :D > > Sorry, my explanations should be ok, but are likely confusing and might > include more typos. > > Follow this howto: > > 1. run sudo grub-install /dev/sda > 2. run (I guess it's) sudo update-grub > however, or reinstalling a kernel will run the correct command > > then your old GRUB should be fixed and be able to install the new *buntu ^^^ boot :D > too, if you want to use the new install's GRUB, you need to chroot and > than to follow 1. and 2. Sorry, it's too late for me, I should o offline. From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Wed Jan 8 23:23:33 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 23:23:33 +0000 Subject: Index Question Message-ID: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> I don't recall if it was apt/apt-get/aptitude/other, but way back, (during the great dinosaur die off), someone posted to the list, a command that generated a _long_ index listing of filenames available for download, along with a one line discription of what the program was or what it did. Anyone happen to recall, or know what that command was/is? TIA Bill From sgrace at pobox.com Thu Jan 9 04:21:26 2014 From: sgrace at pobox.com (Steven Grace) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 20:21:26 -0800 Subject: Index Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52CE23C6.1060202@pobox.com> On 01/08/2014 03:23 PM, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > > I don't recall if it was apt/apt-get/aptitude/other, but > way back, (during the great dinosaur die off), someone > posted to the list, a command that generated a _long_ > index listing of filenames available for download, along > with a one line discription of what the program was or > what it did. > > Anyone happen to recall, or know what that command was/is? Could it have been this? apt-cache search . > filelist.txt On my system this generated a file of over 40,000 lines. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jan 9 05:18:51 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 06:18:51 +0100 Subject: Index Question In-Reply-To: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> References: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: <1389244731.5017.39.camel@archlinux> On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 23:23 +0000, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > I don't recall if it was apt/apt-get/aptitude/other, but > way back, (during the great dinosaur die off), someone > posted to the list, a command that generated a _long_ > index listing of filenames available for download, along > with a one line discription of what the program was or > what it did. > > Anyone happen to recall, or know what that command was/is? apt-cache should be able to do it, but I'm not aware how to get an output of _all_ packages, lexically sorted by package names. # apt-cache search [a-z] This seems to show all packages, lexically sorted by package names, but without description: # aptitude -F "%p" search "?not(?installed)" man pages, trial and error and search engines are your friends ;) From danielhollocher at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 05:37:00 2014 From: danielhollocher at gmail.com (Daniel Hollocher) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 00:37:00 -0500 Subject: Index Question In-Reply-To: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> References: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:23 PM, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org < kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org> wrote: > > I don't recall if it was apt/apt-get/aptitude/other, but > way back, (during the great dinosaur die off), someone > posted to the list, a command that generated a _long_ > index listing of filenames available for download, along > with a one line discription of what the program was or > what it did. > > Anyone happen to recall, or know what that command was/is? > maybe dpkg-query -l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if this will sort by package names and show descriptions: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/grep-aptavail.1.html I'm booted to Arch Linux and access Kubuntu Saucy by $ sudo systemd-nspawn -D /mnt/saucy and for what reason ever, I can't install it root at saucy:~# apt-get update ; apt-get install dctrl-tools Err http://security.ubuntu.com saucy-security InRelease Err http://extras.ubuntu.com saucy InRelease Err http://deb.opera.com stable InRelease Err http://extras.ubuntu.com saucy Release.gpg Could not resolve 'extras.ubuntu.com' Err http://security.ubuntu.com saucy-security Release.gpg Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com' Err http://dl.google.com stable InRelease Err http://deb.opera.com stable Release.gpg Could not resolve 'deb.opera.com' Err http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg Could not resolve 'dl.google.com' Err http://de.archive.ubuntu.com saucy InRelease Err http://de.archive.ubuntu.com saucy-updates InRelease Err http://de.archive.ubuntu.com saucy-backports InRelease Err http://de.archive.ubuntu.com saucy Release.gpg Could not resolve 'de.archive.ubuntu.com' Err http://de.archive.ubuntu.com saucy-updates Release.gpg Could not resolve 'de.archive.ubuntu.com' Err http://de.archive.ubuntu.com saucy-backports Release.gpg Could not resolve 'de.archive.ubuntu.com' Reading package lists... Done W: Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/InRelease W: Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy-updates/InRelease W: Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy-backports/InRelease W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy-security/InRelease W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/InRelease W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/InRelease W: Failed to fetch http://deb.opera.com/opera/dists/stable/InRelease W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy-security/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com' W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'extras.ubuntu.com' W: Failed to fetch http://deb.opera.com/opera/dists/stable/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'deb.opera.com' W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'dl.google.com' W: Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'de.archive.ubuntu.com' W: Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy-updates/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'de.archive.ubuntu.com' W: Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy-backports/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'de.archive.ubuntu.com' W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Suggested packages: debtags The following NEW packages will be installed: dctrl-tools 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 125 kB of archives. After this operation, 348 kB of additional disk space will be used. Err http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy/main dctrl-tools amd64 2.23 Could not resolve 'de.archive.ubuntu.com' Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dctrl-tools/dctrl-tools_2.23_amd64.deb Could not resolve 'de.archive.ubuntu.com' E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? root at saucy:~# From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jan 9 06:24:02 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:24:02 +0100 Subject: Index Question In-Reply-To: References: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: <1389248642.5017.55.camel@archlinux> I tested grep-available with a Debian install, it also doesn't sort by package names and the output isn't just a line. root at debi386:~# grep-available -s Package,Description . I've got serious doubts that it does show a complete list of all installed and uninstalled packages. From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Thu Jan 9 10:56:24 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:56:24 +0000 Subject: Index Question Message-ID: <62022.9841183289-sendEmail@xpresso> That works for me, thanks. I'll try the other possibles out later, but this one is definitly a winner. :-) Bill On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, Steven Grace wrote: > On 01/08/2014 03:23 PM, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: >> >> I don't recall if it was apt/apt-get/aptitude/other, but >> way back, (during the great dinosaur die off), someone >> posted to the list, a command that generated a _long_ >> index listing of filenames available for download, along >> with a one line discription of what the program was or >> what it did. >> >> Anyone happen to recall, or know what that command >> was/is? > > Could it have been this? > > apt-cache search . > filelist.txt > > On my system this generated a file of over 40,000 lines. > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jan 9 13:51:50 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 14:51:50 +0100 Subject: Index Question In-Reply-To: <62022.9841183289-sendEmail@xpresso> References: <62022.9841183289-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: <1389275510.5017.168.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 10:56 +0000, kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > apt-cache search . > filelist.txt > That works for me, thanks. I'll try the other possibles > out later, but this one is definitly a winner. :-) No need to do that, the other possibilities are not what you want. Just apt-cache search [a-z] should do the same, since there at least is a letter somewhere. It's just a pity, that it doesn't sort lexically by package names. From kassube at gmx.net Thu Jan 9 14:06:25 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 15:06:25 +0100 Subject: Index Question In-Reply-To: <1389275510.5017.168.camel@archlinux> References: <62022.9841183289-sendEmail@xpresso> <1389275510.5017.168.camel@archlinux> Message-ID: <1610025.tzPj4278ne@p5915> Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Just apt-cache search [a-z] should do the same, since there at least > is a letter somewhere. It's just a pity, that it doesn't sort > lexically by package names. That's what the sort command is made for: apt-cache search [a-z] | sort Nils From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Thu Jan 9 15:52:59 2014 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 10:52:59 -0500 Subject: Index Question In-Reply-To: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> References: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> Message-ID: <6465926.JlR4B7viJJ@kirk> On Wednesday, January 08, 2014 11:23:33 PM kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org wrote: > > I don't recall if it was apt/apt-get/aptitude/other, but > way back, (during the great dinosaur die off), someone > posted to the list, a command that generated a _long_ > index listing of filenames available for download, along > with a one line discription of what the program was or > what it did. > > Anyone happen to recall, or know what that command was/is? > > TIA > > Bill > To get all packages available and put them in nice columns you should use this: apt-cache search [a-z] | sort | sed 's/ - / /1' | column -t -c 2 -s ' ' > all-packages.txt The couple of spaces in the sed command and after the -s in the column command are actually tabs. To type them you have to press ctrl-V and then the tab key if a copy and paste fails. This gives me 43,241 lines so that looks like all of them. If you need to see all packages and all architectures, ie. 32 & 64 bit, you can use "aptitude search [a-z]" but the description column is only 42 characters so most of it is cut off. Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jan 9 17:19:49 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 18:19:49 +0100 Subject: Index Question In-Reply-To: <6465926.JlR4B7viJJ@kirk> References: <452100.239086093-sendEmail@xpresso> <6465926.JlR4B7viJJ@kirk> Message-ID: <1389287989.5017.190.camel@archlinux> On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 10:52 -0500, Alan Dacey (grokit) wrote: > If you need to see all packages and all architectures, ie. 32 & 64 > bit, you can use "aptitude search [a-z]" but the description column is > only 42 characters so most of it is cut off. Thank you Nils and Alan for mentioning the sort command. Depending to the usage the OP wants to get such a list, it perhaps is more useful for the OP to get a list lexically sorted and sorted by groups. At some point it might become more comfortable to write a little script, instead of using the command line. From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 11:07:07 2014 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:07:07 +0200 Subject: Kate is blocking login Message-ID: <2709118.pH8V55Pusi@gkourtev-laptop> Hi all, I have an anoying issue on one PC with only one of the users. After login a process starts automatically of kate. While this process is active, nothing cennot be launged (basically the PC freezes). The only sopution is to kill kate process as soon as it appears (by pressing Ctrl.+Esc to get the processes listed). The above repeats at any login no matter what. How can I take this process of kate not to start at the login stage? This is on a PC with 12.04.3 with all updates. Thanks, gk From dns_hmpf at web.de Mon Jan 13 15:06:27 2014 From: dns_hmpf at web.de (dirk) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:06:27 +0100 Subject: Kate is blocking login References: <2709118.pH8V55Pusi@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: Georgi Kourtev wrote: > I have an anoying issue on one PC with only one of the users. After login > a > process starts automatically of kate. While this process is active, > nothing > cennot be launged (basically the PC freezes). Sounds like there is a script in the users autostart without the executable bit. The handling of this situation is actually a bug, see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286658 Cheers, Dirk From mrzenwiz at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 18:32:53 2014 From: mrzenwiz at gmail.com (MR ZenWiz) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:32:53 -0800 Subject: K3B misbehaving on startup Message-ID: I'm running Xubuntu 12.04 with the 3.8 kernel, and recently I've been creating some CDs for my car with K3B. Problem is that when K3B starts up, it frequently can't find one or more of the installed commands it uses, like cdrecord, or the DVD writer library, or something else. The first time it did this I ran apt-get to install the package, and it's already there. WTH?? K3B has performed admirably for years until this. Thanks. MR From gkourtev at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 08:11:58 2014 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 10:11:58 +0200 Subject: Kate is blocking login In-Reply-To: References: <2709118.pH8V55Pusi@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <2633475.ZmbfGncmQR@gkourtev-laptop> On Monday 13 January 2014 16:06:27 dirk wrote: > Georgi Kourtev wrote: > > I have an anoying issue on one PC with only one of the users. After login > > a > > process starts automatically of kate. While this process is active, > > nothing > > cennot be launged (basically the PC freezes). > > Sounds like there is a script in the users autostart without the executable > bit. The handling of this situation is actually a bug, see > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286658 > > Cheers, > Dirk I can confirm that this was the case. Apparently Wine had placed a line in the autostart (something like C:/syslog/log.txt) that caused the hang up. Thanks for the help. gk From gkourtev at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 14:35:03 2014 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:35:03 +0200 Subject: Issue with NVIDIA card Message-ID: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> Hi all, I have new installation of 12.04 with all updates on a PC with NVIDIA video card. Before upgrading to KDE 4.11 the graphic worked fine. After the upgrade the resolution after login is always incredibly low and one should move it to more decent one (like 1280x800 or more). The issue is that the setting is not kept after loging out or restart. On that computer none of the NVIDIA proprietary drivers were installed, as I am not sure which one of the six listed should be used. Any suggestions? thanks. gk From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Mon Jan 20 18:16:10 2014 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:16:10 -0500 Subject: Issue with NVIDIA card In-Reply-To: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <1582366.4AHl4tf9xm@kirk> > Hi all, > > I have new installation of 12.04 with all updates on a PC with NVIDIA video > card. Before upgrading to KDE 4.11 the graphic worked fine. After the upgrade > the resolution after login is always incredibly low and one should move it to > more decent one (like 1280x800 or more). The issue is that the setting is not > kept after loging out or restart. > > On that computer none of the NVIDIA proprietary drivers were installed, as I > am not sure which one of the six listed should be used. > > Any suggestions? thanks. > gk > > The package named nvidia-current (or something similar) is what you should start off with. It's a meta-package that will install the most recent version. If you have and older card and this doesn't work then you will want to apt-get purge all the nvidia packages then install one of the older ones. Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at thefletchers.net Mon Jan 20 18:25:24 2014 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:25:24 +0000 Subject: Issue with NVIDIA card In-Reply-To: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <1390242324.2102.4.camel@Tosh-NB520> On Mon, 2014-01-20 at 16:35 +0200, Georgi Kourtev wrote: > Hi all, > > I have new installation of 12.04 with all updates on a PC with NVIDIA video > card. Before upgrading to KDE 4.11 the graphic worked fine. After the upgrade > the resolution after login is always incredibly low and one should move it to > more decent one (like 1280x800 or more). The issue is that the setting is not > kept after loging out or restart. > > On that computer none of the NVIDIA proprietary drivers were installed, as I > am not sure which one of the six listed should be used. > > Any suggestions? thanks. > gk > When I had problems with my low power, silent, fanless nvidia card, I replaced it with a £20, low power, silent, fanless ATI card, and my problems went away. Depends on the price you paid for your nvidia card, I suppose. I paid very little which is exactly what it ended up being worth to me. Dave From thomas at tanghus.net Thu Jan 23 15:31:25 2014 From: thomas at tanghus.net (Thomas Tanghus) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:31:25 +0100 Subject: Slow IP resolving Message-ID: <1917829.AmQKOOfofH@tanghus-laptop> My apartment building is changing ISP, and of course the automatic update of the cable modem went wrong, so now I have to tether with my (Jolla) phone until Monday :( Besides the already flaky modem I've had no problem with my net until now. Connecting to the phone works fine both for my laptop and my desktop PC, but for the latter resolving addresses takes forever, and connection is dropped all the time. The only difference I could find is that I had dnsmasq installed on the desktop. dnsmasq-base is installed on both, and apparently works fine on the laptop. I tried purging dnsmasq from the desktop but to no avail - nothing changed. I actually had to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf with static DNS IPs (also did that before purging), it *seems* to work for a short while, but after that it's still just as slow. Networking behind the scenes has gotten so complex that I basically have no idea what I'm doing :P Any idea how/what to debug? (Not including purging NetworkManager etc.) I am planning a reinstall as it could need some cleanup - just looking for a quick solution as my back, shoulders and eyes hurt from working for two days on the laptop... -- Best regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Tanghus From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 10:17:13 2014 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 02:17:13 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu User Day session: Kubuntu as an Ubuntu flavor Message-ID: Hi folks, I've been asked to talk about Kubuntu at Ubuntu User Days. I'll be one of the presenters at a session on Saturday. Xubuntu and Lubuntu will be presented as well. There has not been a KDE presentation at User Days since 2011! The log from the last time is here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/24/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t19:00 There have been some changes since then; please bring your questions and I'll do my best. Our session is at 23:00 UTC; find your local time here: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140125T23 (for me it's 3PM). Please join #ubuntu-classroom before 23:00 UT; I'll see you there. All the best, Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From thomas at tanghus.net Fri Jan 24 21:07:52 2014 From: thomas at tanghus.net (Thomas Tanghus) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:07:52 +0100 Subject: Slow IP resolving In-Reply-To: <1917829.AmQKOOfofH@tanghus-laptop> References: <1917829.AmQKOOfofH@tanghus-laptop> Message-ID: <2184807.shouru46mQ@tanghus-laptop> On Thursday 23 January 2014 16:31:25 Thomas Tanghus wrote: > I am planning a reinstall as it could need some cleanup - just looking for > a quick solution as my back, shoulders and eyes hurt from working for two > days on the laptop... Turned out to be a buggy wifi driver that apparently wasn't included before 13.10. Hope I don't have to resort to ndiswrapper :( -- Best regards / Med venlig hilsen Thomas Tanghus From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jan 28 01:46:28 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:46:28 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off Message-ID: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> I've been using VueScan as a scanning application for probably 5 years. It is/was a good application and it supports a lot of scanners. But with Kubuntu 13.4 (and who knows what other distros of linux) it has a "window" problem. If you click on any action, such as PREVIEW or SCAN or even FILE--->Exit, the program fails to do ANYTHING. It is only when you switch to a different desktop, or window, or minimize the Vuescan window, that any action will take place. The program WILL work, but only if you fiddle and diddle with switching or minimizing windows to give it a "kick". I've been working with Ed Hammrick (Ed Hamrick ) to try to solve these issues but in essence, he could care less. His recent statements: "Yes, I recommend you use a different scanning solution." "Yes, I'm probably going to stop supporting Linux in the next few weeks." "I get less than 1% of my revenues from Linux, and increasingly the poor quality control in various distributions and increasingly fragmented distributions makes it difficult to make a single executable work on many Linux distributions." So he's giving up on linux and telling us all to "take it somewhere else" to put it bluntly. This has to be a simple problem since the program only has a window problem, but he's not interested in any solution. So my question to the group is: "what other scanning solution are you using under linux?" Once again, linux users are second class citizens. From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Jan 28 01:58:11 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:58:11 -0600 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> Message-ID: <52E70EB3.1060006@swbell.net> On 01/27/2014 07:46 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > I've been using VueScan as a scanning application for probably 5 years. It > is/was a good application and it supports a lot of scanners. > > But with Kubuntu 13.4 (and who knows what other distros of linux) it has a > "window" problem. If you click on any action, such as PREVIEW or SCAN or even > FILE--->Exit, the program fails to do ANYTHING. It is only when you switch > to a different desktop, or window, or minimize the Vuescan window, that any > action will take place. > > The program WILL work, but only if you fiddle and diddle with switching or > minimizing windows to give it a "kick". > > I've been working with Ed Hammrick (Ed Hamrick ) to try to > solve these issues but in essence, he could care less. > > His recent statements: > > "Yes, I recommend you use a different scanning solution." > > "Yes, I'm probably going to stop supporting Linux in the next few weeks." > > "I get less than 1% of my revenues from Linux, and increasingly > the poor quality control in various distributions and increasingly > fragmented distributions makes it difficult to make a single > executable work on many Linux distributions." > > So he's giving up on linux and telling us all to "take it somewhere else" to > put it bluntly. > > This has to be a simple problem since the program only has a window problem, > but he's not interested in any solution. > > So my question to the group is: "what other scanning solution are you using > under linux?" > > > Once again, linux users are second class citizens. > > > I've been using Skanlite. It's pretty basic but fill my needs just fine. I don't do a lot of scanning. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From theuteck at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 01:59:29 2014 From: theuteck at gmail.com (theuteck at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:59:29 -0600 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> Message-ID: <2967048.e8JIgUO5k6@allmine> Whenever I have to scan things I have had good luck with xsane, but the default GUI is a bit rough. Fortunately there are some other options for a GUI that depend on your taste and ease of use. The KDE front-end for Sane is skanlight. If you need OCR tools for your scanning, install tesseract-ocr On Monday, January 27, 2014 08:46:28 PM Bruce Marshall wrote: > I've been using VueScan as a scanning application for probably 5 years. It > is/was a good application and it supports a lot of scanners. > > But with Kubuntu 13.4 (and who knows what other distros of linux) it has a > "window" problem. If you click on any action, such as PREVIEW or SCAN or > even FILE--->Exit, the program fails to do ANYTHING. It is only when you > switch to a different desktop, or window, or minimize the Vuescan window, > that any action will take place. > > The program WILL work, but only if you fiddle and diddle with switching or > minimizing windows to give it a "kick". > > I've been working with Ed Hammrick (Ed Hamrick ) to try > to solve these issues but in essence, he could care less. > > His recent statements: > > "Yes, I recommend you use a different scanning solution." > > "Yes, I'm probably going to stop supporting Linux in the next few weeks." > > "I get less than 1% of my revenues from Linux, and increasingly > the poor quality control in various distributions and increasingly > fragmented distributions makes it difficult to make a single > executable work on many Linux distributions." > > So he's giving up on linux and telling us all to "take it somewhere else" to > put it bluntly. > > This has to be a simple problem since the program only has a window problem, > but he's not interested in any solution. > > So my question to the group is: "what other scanning solution are you using > under linux?" > > > Once again, linux users are second class citizens. From kenhomza at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 03:01:00 2014 From: kenhomza at gmail.com (Kenneth) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:01:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> Message-ID: <4204076.85IPEZeM2I@kenneth-pc> I scan allot I use "simple scan" I think that works the best, here is a https://launchpad.net/simple-scan[1] It works fine for me on Kubuntu 13.10 It does milti-page PDF's and whatever else I can think of. good luck.. On Monday, January 27, 2014 08:46:28 PM Bruce Marshall wrote: > I've been using VueScan as a scanning application for probably 5 years. It > is/was a good application and it supports a lot of scanners. > > But with Kubuntu 13.4 (and who knows what other distros of linux) it has a > "window" problem. If you click on any action, such as PREVIEW or SCAN or > even FILE--->Exit, the program fails to do ANYTHING. It is only when you > switch to a different desktop, or window, or minimize the Vuescan window, > that any action will take place. > > The program WILL work, but only if you fiddle and diddle with switching or > minimizing windows to give it a "kick". > > I've been working with Ed Hammrick (Ed Hamrick ) to try > to solve these issues but in essence, he could care less. > > His recent statements: > > "Yes, I recommend you use a different scanning solution." > > "Yes, I'm probably going to stop supporting Linux in the next few weeks." > > "I get less than 1% of my revenues from Linux, and increasingly > the poor quality control in various distributions and increasingly > fragmented distributions makes it difficult to make a single > executable work on many Linux distributions." > > So he's giving up on linux and telling us all to "take it somewhere else" to > put it bluntly. > > This has to be a simple problem since the program only has a window problem, > but he's not interested in any solution. > > So my question to the group is: "what other scanning solution are you using > under linux?" > > > Once again, linux users are second class citizens. -------- [1] https://launchpad.net/simple-scan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is only when you switch > to a different desktop, or window, or minimize the Vuescan window, that any > action will take place. > > The program WILL work, but only if you fiddle and diddle with switching or > minimizing windows to give it a "kick". > > I've been working with Ed Hammrick (Ed Hamrick ) to try to > solve these issues but in essence, he could care less. > > His recent statements: > > "Yes, I recommend you use a different scanning solution." > > "Yes, I'm probably going to stop supporting Linux in the next few weeks." > > "I get less than 1% of my revenues from Linux, and increasingly > the poor quality control in various distributions and increasingly > fragmented distributions makes it difficult to make a single > executable work on many Linux distributions." > > So he's giving up on linux and telling us all to "take it somewhere else" to > put it bluntly. > > This has to be a simple problem since the program only has a window problem, > but he's not interested in any solution. > > So my question to the group is: "what other scanning solution are you using > under linux?" > > > Once again, linux users are second class citizens. I use Skanlite for basic stuff, gscan2pdf for pdf scanning (multipage and so on) From paul at lemmons.name Tue Jan 28 03:34:48 2014 From: paul at lemmons.name (Paul Lemmons) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:34:48 -0700 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <52E7226C.7030602@gmail.com> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <52E7226C.7030602@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use "Simple Scan". As the name implies, it is simple but has all the basics. Can scan multi-page documents into a multi-page PDF, single page scan, rotation, cropping, and very forgiving when the automatic document feeder jams. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 01/28/2014 03:46 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > >> I've been using VueScan as a scanning application for probably 5 years. >> It >> is/was a good application and it supports a lot of scanners. >> >> But with Kubuntu 13.4 (and who knows what other distros of linux) it has a >> "window" problem. If you click on any action, such as PREVIEW or SCAN or >> even >> FILE--->Exit, the program fails to do ANYTHING. It is only when you >> switch >> to a different desktop, or window, or minimize the Vuescan window, that >> any >> action will take place. >> >> The program WILL work, but only if you fiddle and diddle with switching or >> minimizing windows to give it a "kick". >> >> I've been working with Ed Hammrick (Ed Hamrick ) to >> try to >> solve these issues but in essence, he could care less. >> >> His recent statements: >> >> "Yes, I recommend you use a different scanning solution." >> >> "Yes, I'm probably going to stop supporting Linux in the next few weeks." >> >> "I get less than 1% of my revenues from Linux, and increasingly >> the poor quality control in various distributions and increasingly >> fragmented distributions makes it difficult to make a single >> executable work on many Linux distributions." >> >> So he's giving up on linux and telling us all to "take it somewhere else" >> to >> put it bluntly. >> >> This has to be a simple problem since the program only has a window >> problem, >> but he's not interested in any solution. >> >> So my question to the group is: "what other scanning solution are you >> using >> under linux?" >> >> >> Once again, linux users are second class citizens. >> > > I use Skanlite for basic stuff, gscan2pdf for pdf scanning (multipage and > so on) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about. - Wayne Dyer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you click on any action, such as PREVIEW or SCAN >>> or even >>> FILE--->Exit, the program fails to do ANYTHING. It is only when you >>> switch >>> to a different desktop, or window, or minimize the Vuescan window, that >>> any >>> action will take place. >>> >>> The program WILL work, but only if you fiddle and diddle with switching >>> or >>> minimizing windows to give it a "kick". >>> >>> I've been working with Ed Hammrick (Ed Hamrick ) to >>> try to >>> solve these issues but in essence, he could care less. >>> >>> His recent statements: >>> >>> "Yes, I recommend you use a different scanning solution." >>> >>> "Yes, I'm probably going to stop supporting Linux in the next few weeks." >>> >>> "I get less than 1% of my revenues from Linux, and increasingly >>> the poor quality control in various distributions and increasingly >>> fragmented distributions makes it difficult to make a single >>> executable work on many Linux distributions." >>> >>> So he's giving up on linux and telling us all to "take it somewhere >>> else" to >>> put it bluntly. >>> >>> This has to be a simple problem since the program only has a window >>> problem, >>> but he's not interested in any solution. >>> >>> So my question to the group is: "what other scanning solution are you >>> using >>> under linux?" >>> >>> >>> Once again, linux users are second class citizens. >>> >> >> I use Skanlite for basic stuff, gscan2pdf for pdf scanning (multipage and >> so on) >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ >> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know > anything about. > - Wayne Dyer > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MR From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Tue Jan 28 19:19:27 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:19:27 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <52E7226C.7030602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2193190.QAPjaegZa6@linux1> On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 09:18:03 AM MR ZenWiz wrote: > I recommend xsane. The only problem I ever had with it was my own > goof (accidentally set the page width to 0, then scans did not work - > duh). > > It has become radically slower to start up, but once it's up, it works fine. > > MR Thanks for all the suggestions.... I loaded up skanlite and xsane and they seem to do well.... I mostly scan photos and will have to check into how skanlite handles color options but if it doesn't do the job at first, gimp can do the rest. Again, thanks.... and the 'raspberry' to Hamrick Software...... "How many times is it appropriate to say "What?" before you just nod and smile because you still didn't hear or understand a word they said?" From bm_witness at yahoo.com Tue Jan 28 20:11:18 2014 From: bm_witness at yahoo.com (BRM) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:11:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Issue with NVIDIA card In-Reply-To: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <1390939878.23038.YahooMailNeo@web141601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I had a similar issue with a nVidia GeForce 6200. Worked fine under Gentoo (which I just wiped off). Just rebuilt the system to Kubuntu (got too far behind with Gentoo a while ago, just no time to keep up with it any more), and had to disable all effects even during the 13.10 installer. System is now using the open soure nouveau drivers after some difficulty. Not sure what is going on with it - trying to make it a media center using Plasma Media Center, XMBC, and Netflix-Desktop. (Only netflix-destop not working right now...) Ben On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:36 AM, Georgi Kourtev wrote: Hi all, I have new installation of 12.04 with all updates on a PC with NVIDIA video card.  Before upgrading to KDE 4.11 the graphic worked fine.  After the upgrade the resolution after login is always incredibly low and one should move it to more decent one (like 1280x800 or more).  The issue is that the setting is not kept after loging out or restart. On that computer none of the NVIDIA proprietary drivers were installed, as I am not sure which one of the six listed should be used. Any suggestions? thanks. gk -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 29 07:52:44 2014 From: girardhenri at free.fr (GH) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:52:44 +0100 Subject: Issue with NVIDIA card In-Reply-To: <1390939878.23038.YahooMailNeo@web141601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> <1390939878.23038.YahooMailNeo@web141601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52E8B34C.40208@free.fr> J'ai une nvidia gt660 ave les drivers 331.38 (64 bits) ça marche bien. Le seul problem c'est que kde-4.12 et project-neon gèle ? Le 28/01/2014 21:11, BRM a écrit : > I had a similar issue with a nVidia GeForce 6200. Worked fine under > Gentoo (which I just wiped off). Just rebuilt the system to Kubuntu > (got too far behind with Gentoo a while ago, just no time to keep up > with it any more), and had to disable all effects even during the > 13.10 installer. System is now using the open soure nouveau drivers > after some difficulty. Not sure what is going on with it - trying to > make it a media center using Plasma Media Center, XMBC, and > Netflix-Desktop. (Only netflix-destop not working right now...) > > Ben > > > > On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:36 AM, Georgi Kourtev > wrote: > Hi all, > > I have new installation of 12.04 with all updates on a PC with NVIDIA > video > card. Before upgrading to KDE 4.11 the graphic worked fine. After > the upgrade > the resolution after login is always incredibly low and one should > move it to > more decent one (like 1280x800 or more). The issue is that the > setting is not > kept after loging out or restart. > > On that computer none of the NVIDIA proprietary drivers were > installed, as I > am not sure which one of the six listed should be used. > > Any suggestions? thanks. > gk > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkourtev at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 08:06:04 2014 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:06:04 +0200 Subject: Issue with NVIDIA card In-Reply-To: <1390939878.23038.YahooMailNeo@web141601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> <1390939878.23038.YahooMailNeo@web141601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3156278.IOURHjAAcF@gkourtev-laptop> The fact is that I decided to do a fresh install of 12.04 as my /home is on a separate partition. After installation I used nouveau drivers and the card started to behave quite OK. The sole problem is that after each reboot the resolution drops back to 800x600 (or similar) and I have to changed it from the System settings every time. I am not sure that I would like to take the risk in installing the NVIDIA drivers now, as I have no clue how to remove them if the systems gets broken and I would have to do that through terminal... gk From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jan 29 08:19:30 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:19:30 +0100 Subject: Issue with NVIDIA card In-Reply-To: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <69553241.tQpSltdyiq@p5915> Georgi Kourtev wrote: > I have new installation of 12.04 with all updates on a PC with NVIDIA > video card. Before upgrading to KDE 4.11 the graphic worked fine. > After the upgrade the resolution after login is always incredibly low > and one should move it to more decent one (like 1280x800 or more). > The issue is that the setting is not kept after loging out or > restart. > > On that computer none of the NVIDIA proprietary drivers were > installed, as I am not sure which one of the six listed should be > used. I could think of two solutions: 1. Someone else had a similar problem some time ago and [1] solved it. 2. You could use the proprietary nvidia driver (I'm using nvidia-current-updates) and after the installation modify the file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" to include only the wanted resolution. Here is the relevant section from my xorg.conf which has several resolutions listed: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Device0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 Option "TwinView" "0" Option "metamodes" "1600x1200 +0+0; 1280x960 +0+0; 1024x768 +0+0; 800x600 +0+0; 640x480 +0+0" SubSection "Display" Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Nils [1] From girardhenri at free.fr Wed Jan 29 09:53:17 2014 From: girardhenri at free.fr (GH) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:53:17 +0100 Subject: Issue with NVIDIA card In-Reply-To: <3156278.IOURHjAAcF@gkourtev-laptop> References: <2454025.ymoBBrLdVP@gkourtev-laptop> <1390939878.23038.YahooMailNeo@web141601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3156278.IOURHjAAcF@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <52E8CF8D.3030001@free.fr> Le 29/01/2014 09:06, Georgi Kourtev a écrit : > The fact is that I decided to do a fresh install of 12.04 as my /home is on a > separate partition. After installation I used nouveau drivers and the card > started to behave quite OK. The sole problem is that after each reboot the > resolution drops back to 800x600 (or similar) and I have to changed it from > the System settings every time. > > I am not sure that I would like to take the risk in installing the NVIDIA > drivers now, as I have no clue how to remove them if the systems gets broken > and I would have to do that through terminal... > gk > Personaly I had few times this problem : 95 % I didn't recover it. For the 5%, I success after much pain. Install nvidia if it doesn't work sudo apt-get purge nvidia* and xserver shoold reinstall. But I noticed that using gdm instead lighdm could solve the problem. But it's not 100% fiable. Henri From fmiller at lightlink.com Wed Jan 29 15:30:04 2014 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:30:04 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <52E70EB3.1060006@swbell.net> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <52E70EB3.1060006@swbell.net> Message-ID: <52E91E7C.4090008@lightlink.com> On 01/27/2014 08:58 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 01/27/2014 07:46 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> I've been using VueScan as a scanning application for probably 5 years. It >> >> is/was a good application and it supports a lot of scanners. >> >> But with Kubuntu 13.4 (and who knows what other distros of linux) it has a >> >> "window" problem. If you click on any action, such as PREVIEW or SCAN or even >> >> FILE--->Exit, the program fails to do ANYTHING. It is only when you switch >> >> to a different desktop, or window, or minimize the Vuescan window, that any >> >> action will take place. >> >> The program WILL work, but only if you fiddle and diddle with switching or >> >> minimizing windows to give it a "kick". >> >> I've been working with Ed Hammrick (Ed Hamrick ) to try to >> >> solve these issues but in essence, he could care less. >> >> His recent statements: >> >> "Yes, I recommend you use a different scanning solution." >> >> "Yes, I'm probably going to stop supporting Linux in the next few weeks." >> >> >> "I get less than 1% of my revenues from Linux, and increasingly >> the poor quality control in various distributions and increasingly >> fragmented distributions makes it difficult to make a single >> executable work on many Linux distributions." >> >> So he's giving up on linux and telling us all to "take it somewhere else" to >> >> put it bluntly. >> >> This has to be a simple problem since the program only has a window problem, >> >> but he's not interested in any solution. >> >> So my question to the group is: "what other scanning solution are you using >> >> under linux?" >> >> >> Once again, linux users are second class citizens. >> >> >> > > I've been using Skanlite. It's pretty basic but fill my needs just > fine. I don't do a lot of scanning. I use VueScan most of the time, because it gives me VERY GOOD when scanning B&W or color negatives, restoring images from tin plates, etc. It DOES work perfectly on openSuSE 12.3 and 13.1.....just for an FYI. Fred From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jan 29 16:03:48 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:03:48 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <52E91E7C.4090008@lightlink.com> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <52E70EB3.1060006@swbell.net> <52E91E7C.4090008@lightlink.com> Message-ID: <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:30:04 AM you wrote: > > I've been using Skanlite. It's pretty basic but fill my needs just > > fine. I don't do a lot of scanning. > > I use VueScan most of the time, because it gives me VERY GOOD when > scanning B&W or color negatives, restoring images from tin plates, etc. > It DOES work perfectly on openSuSE 12.3 and 13.1.....just for an FYI. > > Fred Yep.... and it worked fine on kubuntu 13.04 but not on 13.10 It has to be a very simple fix, something to do with window refresh since that's what seems to give vuescan a 'kick' to do some action. But I guess Ed Hamrick just can't be bothered to look into it. I'll let you know how I do with skanlite.... it looks like a workable solution. "The expert is a person who avoids the small errors as he sweeps on to the grand fallacy." From fmiller at lightlink.com Wed Jan 29 16:17:58 2014 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:17:58 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <52E70EB3.1060006@swbell.net> <52E91E7C.4090008@lightlink.com> <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> Message-ID: <52E929B6.7040901@lightlink.com> On 01/29/2014 11:03 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:30:04 AM you wrote: >>> I've been using Skanlite. It's pretty basic but fill my needs just >>> fine. I don't do a lot of scanning. >> I use VueScan most of the time, because it gives me VERY GOOD when >> scanning B&W or color negatives, restoring images from tin plates, etc. >> It DOES work perfectly on openSuSE 12.3 and 13.1.....just for an FYI. >> >> Fred > Yep.... and it worked fine on kubuntu 13.04 but not on 13.10 > > It has to be a very simple fix, something to do with window refresh since > that's what seems to give vuescan a 'kick' to do some action. But I guess Ed > Hamrick just can't be bothered to look into it. > > I'll let you know how I do with skanlite.... it looks like a workable > solution. > I'd guess that it has something to do with the compile of KDE on Kubuntu and not a VueScan problem. This based on my installs on a number of Linux flavors. Fred From clay at claydoh.com Wed Jan 29 16:47:22 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:47:22 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <52E929B6.7040901@lightlink.com> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> <52E929B6.7040901@lightlink.com> Message-ID: <2135615.PBCGyobTrP@lark-latitude-d630> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:17:58 AM Fred A. Miller wrote: > On 01/29/2014 11:03 AM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:30:04 AM you wrote: > >>> I've been using Skanlite. It's pretty basic but fill my needs just > >>> fine. I don't do a lot of scanning. > >> > >> I use VueScan most of the time, because it gives me VERY GOOD when > >> scanning B&W or color negatives, restoring images from tin plates, etc. > >> It DOES work perfectly on openSuSE 12.3 and 13.1.....just for an FYI. > >> > >> Fred > > > > Yep.... and it worked fine on kubuntu 13.04 but not on 13.10 > > > > It has to be a very simple fix, something to do with window refresh since > > that's what seems to give vuescan a 'kick' to do some action. But I > > guess Ed Hamrick just can't be bothered to look into it. > > > > I'll let you know how I do with skanlite.... it looks like a workable > > solution. > > I'd guess that it has something to do with the compile of KDE on Kubuntu > and not a VueScan problem. This based on my installs on a number of > Linux flavors. > > Fred I would say it is likely another issue, as upon trying out this program unregistered (watermark embedded on images, nags) I an not seeing any issues at all. This is on 13.10, on two different machines. This application is using Qt, probably a static build and thus not using the libraries that come with one's distro. Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net[1] http://claydoh.com[2] -------- [1] http://kubuntuforums.net [2] http://claydoh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Wed Jan 29 17:14:29 2014 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:14:29 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <2135615.PBCGyobTrP@lark-latitude-d630> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> <52E929B6.7040901@lightlink.com> <2135615.PBCGyobTrP@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <52E936F5.1040205@lightlink.com> On 01/29/2014 11:47 AM, Clay Weber wrote: > > > I'd guess that it has something to do with the compile of KDE on Kubuntu > > > and not a VueScan problem. This based on my installs on a number of > > > Linux flavors. > > > > > > Fred > > > > I would say it is likely another issue, as upon trying out this > program unregistered (watermark embedded on images, nags) I an not > seeing any issues at all. This is on 13.10, on two different machines. > This application is using Qt, probably a static build and thus not > using the libraries that come with one's distro. > Possible. I have it running on a Ubuntu box with KDE....no problems. 'Not "freebie"....unlocked. Fred From david at lang.hm Wed Jan 29 17:24:22 2014 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:24:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <52E70EB3.1060006@swbell.net> <52E91E7C.4090008@lightlink.com> <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014, Bruce Marshall wrote: > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:03:48 -0500 > From: Bruce Marshall > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: The VueScan Kiss-off > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:30:04 AM you wrote: >>> I've been using Skanlite. It's pretty basic but fill my needs just >>> fine. I don't do a lot of scanning. >> >> I use VueScan most of the time, because it gives me VERY GOOD when >> scanning B&W or color negatives, restoring images from tin plates, etc. >> It DOES work perfectly on openSuSE 12.3 and 13.1.....just for an FYI. >> >> Fred > > Yep.... and it worked fine on kubuntu 13.04 but not on 13.10 > > It has to be a very simple fix, something to do with window refresh since > that's what seems to give vuescan a 'kick' to do some action. But I guess Ed > Hamrick just can't be bothered to look into it. > > I'll let you know how I do with skanlite.... it looks like a workable > solution. I've been using it on 13.10 without a problem, but I haven't updated vuescan since december. I don't remember exactly which version I'm running, but there was a significant version bump around that time and I upgraded shortly after that bump. David Lang From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jan 29 21:45:45 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:45:45 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: <52E929B6.7040901@lightlink.com> References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> <52E929B6.7040901@lightlink.com> Message-ID: <1864896.YydCcTLWiz@linux1> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:17:58 AM Fred A. Miller wrote: > > I'll let you know how I do with skanlite.... it looks like a workable > > solution. > > I'd guess that it has something to do with the compile of KDE on Kubuntu > and not a VueScan problem. This based on my installs on a number of > Linux flavors. > > Fred But vuescan is the only app with the problem..... From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Jan 29 21:47:36 2014 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:47:36 -0500 Subject: The VueScan Kiss-off In-Reply-To: References: <2677520.itMvgbKvBh@linux1> <1664640.m1oESQc7qS@linux1> Message-ID: <1668645.d3lQe2IGbC@linux1> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 09:24:22 AM you wrote: > I've been using it on 13.10 without a problem, but I haven't updated > vuescan since december. I don't remember exactly which version I'm > running, but there was a significant version bump around that time and I > upgraded shortly after that bump. > > David Lang Yup.... some of the older versions did work on 13.10.... 9.4.19 was one of them but 9.4.22 has never worked. "When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut" - anonymous