switching users... forget it!

[Scott DuBois]

On 07/11/2014 05:41 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
> On 07/10/2014 11:00 PM, c. marlow wrote:
>>
>> On 07/10/2014 10:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 20:37 -0500, c. marlow wrote:
>>>> I just hope I dont have to put up with LINUX too much longer... Tired
>>>> of reformatting.  Hope to replace this machine with a windows machine
>>>> sooon!!!
>>> Linux is for users with self-responsibility and using some freakish
>>> distro, that does cause you issues, so that you need to sent your
>>> requests to another distro's mailing list is reckless, far away of being
>>> self-responsible. If you need a nanny, than Windows likely is the better
>>> choice for your needs, since Linux isn't a replacement for Windows, it's
>>> not intended to replace Windows, it's for users with needs that are
>>> different from Windows user needs.
>>
>> 1. this computer came with Kubuntu ( pre built) was kinda thrown
>> together for me by some friends. Lots of things dont work on it... CD
>> ROM etc....
>>
>> 2. LM is based on Kubuntu 14.04 LTS and was told it was ok to post
>> here since it is based on Kubuntu.
>>
> 
> Somehow or another I seem to have not received Ralf's reply, however I
> take exception with both his attitude and message.
> 
> All I can say about his attitude is that it stinks. It is not typical of
> most people on this list.
> 
> About his message, I AM just a an average home computer user. The type
> that typically runs Windows. I have been successfully using Kubuntu for
> many years and SuSE before that. In my experience Linux, and Kubuntu
> specifically, has been just as easy to use, after the unlearning of some
> bad habits left over from we all know where, and possibly easier to use
> than Windows.
> 
> I question the use of "friend" in the OP's message above. It sounds to
> me like his "friend" set him up to fail from the beginning. Things like
> CD/DVD roms just work in my experience. Sounds like a hardware issue
> rather than an OS issue. His "friend" also just dumped him in the deep
> end and walked away. There is a bit of a learning curve when first using
> Linux in general. My own first experience with Linux were not all that
> pleasant but I stuck with it out of bull headed determination and got
> through that learning curve. A true "friend" that dumps a Linux box on
> someones desk out of the blue would stick around and help them through
> the learning curve.
> 
> My message to the OP is to have an attitude of, "please help me
> understand and learn to use this operating system," if that is what you
> really want to do. An, "I want to dump this piece of S___ and get a
> Windows machine," attitude is not conducive to getting good assistance
> responses.
> 

You make a good point Billie, while I don't think I would go so far as
to say the "friend" set them up, the "friend" in question should have at
least made themselves available for help and if they were unable to
provide it, ask in the mailing lists, forums or IRC; something I know I
should do myself more often. Everyone needs help once in a while and it
shouldn't be hard to find considering the size and scope of the Linux
community. We should pride ourselves for being the largest collaborative
effort in the world which goes beyond just developers and include users
and support for each other. : )

When I enter the Kubuntu IRC it always seems like the "dead zone" - at
least off-topic for small talk and general chat.

Linux does take patience to get used to but I think we all have to admit
that many of the distros get easier to use and more stable as the kernel
continues to mature and more people contribute when and where they can.
Too many people get a false sense that all operating systems are the
same so switching to a Linus system is simple just like switching
between XP and W7 when it's not the case.

My first go with Linux was with Ubuntu 9.10 just as it was released and
I would get so frustrated I sometimes would have my wallet and keys in
my hand to go get a new copy of Windows. Then I would stop myself and
think "Thousands of people use Ubuntu on a daily basis and I'm just as
smart as many of them; I can do this." Then get right back at it and
keep pounding away at learning what I needed to do to MAKE it work for me.
-- 
Scott DuBois
President EBLUG
BSIT Software Engineering
Freenode: Roguehorse
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