From david at lang.hm Mon Nov 3 01:44:50 2014 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 17:44:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: excessive shared memory usage on 14.10 Message-ID: I have kubuntu on a t61 laptop with 8G of ram, and I'm seeing a huge increase in the memory usage with this upgrade. It looks to me like shared memory is a large part of the problem. I run firefox, chrome, and a number of xterms, and even when I exit firefox and chrome and echo 3 >/proc/sys/vm/drop_cache the system still says that over 5G of the RAM is in use. below is /proc/meminfo and smem output. Any suggestions on what I can do to get memory available again? David Lang # cat /proc/meminfo MemTotal: 8109696 kB MemFree: 2600160 kB MemAvailable: 2590052 kB Buffers: 0 kB Cached: 4271484 kB SwapCached: 0 kB Active: 547156 kB Inactive: 4668900 kB Active(anon): 480904 kB Inactive(anon): 4635808 kB Active(file): 66252 kB Inactive(file): 33092 kB Unevictable: 64 kB Mlocked: 64 kB SwapTotal: 1951892 kB SwapFree: 1951892 kB Dirty: 28 kB Writeback: 0 kB AnonPages: 944780 kB Mapped: 156548 kB Shmem: 4172096 kB Slab: 89724 kB SReclaimable: 49384 kB SUnreclaim: 40340 kB KernelStack: 7024 kB PageTables: 31720 kB NFS_Unstable: 0 kB Bounce: 0 kB WritebackTmp: 0 kB CommitLimit: 6006740 kB Committed_AS: 7614860 kB VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB VmallocUsed: 122784 kB VmallocChunk: 34359588348 kB HardwareCorrupted: 0 kB AnonHugePages: 407552 kB HugePages_Total: 0 HugePages_Free: 0 HugePages_Rsvd: 0 HugePages_Surp: 0 Hugepagesize: 2048 kB DirectMap4k: 5667520 kB DirectMap2M: 2654208 kB #smem -t PID User Command Swap USS PSS RSS 23497 dlang 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Message-ID: Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 improved to the point where it treats AMD machines in a civilized manner? I wouldn't mind upgrading, but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort on crap that won't work at all, let alone work properly. Bill From jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 11:49:08 2014 From: jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 06:49:08 -0500 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> On 11/03/2014 06:38 AM, Bill Vance wrote: > > Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 > improved to the point where it treats AMD machines > in a civilized manner? I wouldn't mind upgrading, > but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort > on crap that won't work at all, let alone work > properly. > > Bill > Hi, My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, so no - nothing has improved.... :( Jesse From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Nov 3 12:00:10 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 06:00:10 -0600 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54576E4A.5020604@swbell.net> On 11/03/2014 05:38 AM, Bill Vance wrote: > > Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 > improved to the point where it treats AMD machines > in a civilized manner? I wouldn't mind upgrading, > but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort > on crap that won't work at all, let alone work > properly. > > Bill > I'm not sure what you mean by "crap that won't work at all, let alone work properly." I suppose it is subjective. I have been using 14.04 right along on my quad-core AMD desktop and my dual core Intel laptop and it has been just fine. Now, having said that, I did not do a clean install. I upgraded from the last LTS, 12.04 I believe it was. No issues. Everything just worked as usual. If anything 14.04 was better than 12.04. Acer AMD quad-core with 16 gigs of memory. Radeon video card update with AMD Catalyst. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Nov 3 12:07:10 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 06:07:10 -0600 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> Message-ID: <54576FEE.8010208@swbell.net> On 11/03/2014 05:49 AM, Jesse Palser wrote: > > On 11/03/2014 06:38 AM, Bill Vance wrote: >> >> Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 >> improved to the point where it treats AMD machines >> in a civilized manner? I wouldn't mind upgrading, >> but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort >> on crap that won't work at all, let alone work >> properly. >> >> Bill >> > Hi, > > My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, > so no - nothing has improved.... > > :( > > Jesse > I find that Flash is poorly supported in Linux in general. Sometime it will work and sometimes it won't. Pot luck. And, in my opinion Google Chrome just plain sucks to start with so................ Ever stop to think that maybe it's the software and not the operating system/CPU that is the issue. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 12:09:30 2014 From: jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 07:09:30 -0500 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <54576FEE.8010208@swbell.net> References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> <54576FEE.8010208@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5457707A.9030609@GMail.com> On 11/03/2014 07:07 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 11/03/2014 05:49 AM, Jesse Palser wrote: >> >> On 11/03/2014 06:38 AM, Bill Vance wrote: >>> >>> Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 >>> improved to the point where it treats AMD machines >>> in a civilized manner? I wouldn't mind upgrading, >>> but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort >>> on crap that won't work at all, let alone work >>> properly. >>> >>> Bill >>> >> Hi, >> >> My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, >> so no - nothing has improved.... >> >> :( >> >> Jesse >> > > I find that Flash is poorly supported in Linux in general. Sometime it > will work and sometimes it won't. Pot luck. And, in my opinion Google > Chrome just plain sucks to start with so................ > > Ever stop to think that maybe it's the software and not the operating > system/CPU that is the issue. > Hi, I never had problems with anything on my other desktop with Intel/NVidia. I blame AMD for my desktop's problems in Kubuntu... Jesse From gheskett at wdtv.com Mon Nov 3 16:19:41 2014 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 11:19:41 -0500 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> Message-ID: <201411031119.41877.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Monday 03 November 2014 06:49:08 Jesse Palser did opine And Gene did reply: > On 11/03/2014 06:38 AM, Bill Vance wrote: > > Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 > > improved to the point where it treats AMD machines > > in a civilized manner? I wouldn't mind upgrading, > > but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort > > on crap that won't work at all, let alone work > > properly. > > > > Bill > > Hi, > > My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, > so no - nothing has improved.... > > :( > > Jesse I am getting the "Oh snap" displays from chromium entirely too often, and don't even have an AMD GPU. NVidia video, neauvou driver. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 21:14:04 2014 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 16:14:04 -0500 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <201411031119.41877.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> <201411031119.41877.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: > > > > My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, > > so no - nothing has improved.... > > > > :( > > > > Jesse > > I am getting the "Oh snap" displays from chromium entirely too often, and > don't even have an AMD GPU. NVidia video, neauvou driver. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- ​ Just to add my 2 cents, I have an AMD quad-core (645) processor-based computer that runs Ku flawlessly, including all versions since 12.04 which was when the system was built. Also have an ATI graphics card. OTOH, I have an older Dell Intel system I use occasionally, with Intel on-board graphics, and it's a nightmare with Chrome and with Flash. Even in Firefox, Flash is choppy and slow. With Chrome, it will even occasionally cause a kernel panic or otherwise freeze. No such issues on my AMD... I think likely there are other issues at play here.​ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 08:31:54 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 10:31:54 +0200 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <5457707A.9030609@GMail.com> References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> <54576FEE.8010208@swbell.net> <5457707A.9030609@GMail.com> Message-ID: <54588EFA.3050109@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/2014 14:09, Jesse Palser wrote: > > On 11/03/2014 07:07 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> On 11/03/2014 05:49 AM, Jesse Palser wrote: >>> >>> On 11/03/2014 06:38 AM, Bill Vance wrote: >>>> >>>> Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 improved to >>>> the point where it treats AMD machines in a civilized manner? >>>> I wouldn't mind upgrading, but I don't want to keep wasting >>>> my time and effort on crap that won't work at all, let alone >>>> work properly. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, so no - >>> nothing has improved.... >>> >>> :( >>> >>> Jesse >>> >> >> I find that Flash is poorly supported in Linux in general. >> Sometime it will work and sometimes it won't. Pot luck. And, in >> my opinion Google Chrome just plain sucks to start with >> so................ >> >> Ever stop to think that maybe it's the software and not the >> operating system/CPU that is the issue. >> > Hi, > > I never had problems with anything on my other desktop with > Intel/NVidia. I blame AMD for my desktop's problems in Kubuntu... > > Jesse > I don't really "blame" anyone for my choice of distro. Since 12.10 Kubuntu my "hybrid" AMD/Intel GPU is not supported by AMD proprietary drivers any more (though they claim it is on their website) and I rely on vgaswitcheroo to disable the to me totally unneeded batterysucking GPU I was sadly unaware was included on the HP laptop I bought. Yes, it irritates me but I don't think I can blame AMD for something that I am told works on other distros. Neither do I think I can blame the Kubuntu packagers for the fact that Kubuntu is my distro of choice. And that the Radeon devs dont put too much effort into the rather odd hybrid-gpu thing I can actually also understand. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRYju8ACgkQdVb2AWQj/7Z7QwCg11GRz11Cen6W164Ziy5U8VEm dBkAn1Uj4GK9fDaZR8IhQbH/iYJ38ZGd =aeGR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gldvorak at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 08:44:08 2014 From: gldvorak at gmail.com (George Dvorak) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 00:44:08 -0800 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> <201411031119.41877.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: I have a quad core AMD A10-6700 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics with memory shown as 6.82 GiB (what does that mean?) I installed Kubuntu 14.04 as soon as it was released and have not had problems. George Dvorak On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:14 PM, James Cain wrote: > > > >> > My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, >> > so no - nothing has improved.... >> > >> > :( >> > >> > Jesse >> >> I am getting the "Oh snap" displays from chromium entirely too often, and >> don't even have an AMD GPU. NVidia video, neauvou driver. >> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett >> -- > > > ​ > Just to add my 2 cents, I have an AMD quad-core (645) processor-based > computer that runs Ku flawlessly, including all versions since 12.04 which > was when the system was built. Also have an ATI graphics card. OTOH, I have > an older Dell Intel system I use occasionally, with Intel on-board > graphics, and it's a nightmare with Chrome and with Flash. Even in Firefox, > Flash is choppy and slow. With Chrome, it will even occasionally cause a > kernel panic or otherwise freeze. No such issues on my AMD... > > I think likely there are other issues at play here.​ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 10:03:24 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 12:03:24 +0200 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> <201411031119.41877.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <5458A46C.6020808@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/2014 10:44, George Dvorak wrote: > I have a quad core AMD A10-6700 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics > with memory shown as 6.82 GiB (what does that mean?) I installed > Kubuntu 14.04 as soon as it was released and have not had > problems. > > George Dvorak > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:14 PM, James Cain > > wrote: > > >> >> My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, so no - >> nothing has improved.... >> >> :( >> >> Jesse > > I am getting the "Oh snap" displays from chromium entirely too > often, and don't even have an AMD GPU. NVidia video, neauvou > driver. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett -- > > > ​ Just to add my 2 cents, I have an AMD quad-core (645) > processor-based computer that runs Ku flawlessly, including all > versions since 12.04 which was when the system was built. Also > have an ATI graphics card. OTOH, I have an older Dell Intel system > I use occasionally, with Intel on-board graphics, and it's a > nightmare with Chrome and with Flash. Even in Firefox, Flash is > choppy and slow. With Chrome, it will even occasionally cause a > kernel panic or otherwise freeze. No such issues on my AMD... > > I think likely there are other issues at play here.​ > > 6.82 Gb is indeed a rather odd figure of RAM. Mine reports 3.7 Gb and I know the "missing" RAM is used by the graphic processor - meaning I know I have 4 Gb hardware RAM installed. In reality 4 Gb is 4096 Mb and so my GPU seems to claim 3 Mb RAM for its own use. If you have 8 Gb RAM then for your GPU to claim well over 1 Gb RAM sounds strange. Perhaps it is time to check the hardware?? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRYpGwACgkQdVb2AWQj/7aNtwCdGRITbfruUBm2i9yg2fkW6tBk Zt0AoIMxCDhEXGX9UC+9fz3LbHz5PHcn =IteV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Nov 4 13:25:08 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 07:25:08 -0600 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <54588EFA.3050109@gmail.com> References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> <54576FEE.8010208@swbell.net> <5457707A.9030609@GMail.com> <54588EFA.3050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5458D3B4.1000604@swbell.net> On 11/04/2014 02:31 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/11/2014 14:09, Jesse Palser wrote: >> On 11/03/2014 07:07 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> On 11/03/2014 05:49 AM, Jesse Palser wrote: >>>> On 11/03/2014 06:38 AM, Bill Vance wrote: >>>>> Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 improved to >>>>> the point where it treats AMD machines in a civilized manner? >>>>> I wouldn't mind upgrading, but I don't want to keep wasting >>>>> my time and effort on crap that won't work at all, let alone >>>>> work properly. >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, so no - >>>> nothing has improved.... >>>> >>>> :( >>>> >>>> Jesse >>>> >>> I find that Flash is poorly supported in Linux in general. >>> Sometime it will work and sometimes it won't. Pot luck. And, in >>> my opinion Google Chrome just plain sucks to start with >>> so................ >>> >>> Ever stop to think that maybe it's the software and not the >>> operating system/CPU that is the issue. >>> >> Hi, >> >> I never had problems with anything on my other desktop with >> Intel/NVidia. I blame AMD for my desktop's problems in Kubuntu... >> >> Jesse >> > I don't really "blame" anyone for my choice of distro. Since 12.10 > Kubuntu my "hybrid" AMD/Intel GPU is not supported by AMD proprietary > drivers any more (though they claim it is on their website) and I rely > on vgaswitcheroo to disable the to me totally unneeded batterysucking > GPU I was sadly unaware was included on the HP laptop I bought. > > Yes, it irritates me but I don't think I can blame AMD for something > that I am told works on other distros. Neither do I think I can blame > the Kubuntu packagers for the fact that Kubuntu is my distro of choice. > > And that the Radeon devs dont put too much effort into the rather odd > hybrid-gpu thing I can actually also understand. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iEYEARECAAYFAlRYju8ACgkQdVb2AWQj/7Z7QwCg11GRz11Cen6W164Ziy5U8VEm > dBkAn1Uj4GK9fDaZR8IhQbH/iYJ38ZGd > =aeGR > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > Something you said just jumped out at me. You disable the GPU [ Graphics Processor Unit ] as unnecessary? I'm no genius but I do know that the GPU is responsible for putting the stuff on the screen. That's kind of like poking your eyes out and wondering why you can't see anything. Also, the AMD with Intel GPU bothers me. Did you replace the graphics with an Intel based graphics card or is it onboard Intel chip set with an AMD CPU installed? If it's an add-on Intel graphics board it might be made to work. If your running an AMD CPU on an Intel board your asking for trouble. Mother boards are designed for either an Intel or an AMD CPU. All the supporting chips are optimized to run a particular manufacturers CPU. Putting an AMD CPU on an Intel mother board, and vice versa, is just asking for trouble. It ain't like the olden days when you just plugged in whatever was laying around. When I first started playing around with Linux Nvidia graphics were the graphics of choice for running Linux. Radeon was not well supported. Then AMD bought out Radeon and all that changed. As far as I'm concerned Radeon is the graphics of choice. I have an upper mid range/low high end Radeon graphics card installed with the Catalyst Drives and it kicks butt in Linux. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 15:38:53 2014 From: ildefonso.camargo at gmail.com (Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:38:53 -0500 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <201411031119.41877.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <54576BB4.9050200@GMail.com> <201411031119.41877.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 03 November 2014 06:49:08 Jesse Palser did opine > And Gene did reply: >> On 11/03/2014 06:38 AM, Bill Vance wrote: >> > Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 >> > improved to the point where it treats AMD machines >> > in a civilized manner? I wouldn't mind upgrading, >> > but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort >> > on crap that won't work at all, let alone work >> > properly. >> > >> > Bill >> >> Hi, >> >> My AMD GPU constantly crashes Flash in Google Chrome, >> so no - nothing has improved.... >> >> :( >> >> Jesse > > I am getting the "Oh snap" displays from chromium entirely too often, and > don't even have an AMD GPU. NVidia video, neauvou driver. I had a similar problem, in my particular case, in turned out that the number of open files limit was being reached by Chrome (the default limit is relatively low, at 1024), I raised it to 16384: no problems since then. Of course, I ran chrome from a terminal first, and observed the error messages, only then I was able to tell that the problem was indeed the open files limit. You can check this value by running ulimit -n, and you can change it by editing /etc/security/limits.conf or by creating a new .conf file in /etc/security/limits.d/ and adding these lines: * hard nofile 65535 * soft nofile 16384 Now, following a bit more with the thread, I have had some sporadic drawing issues with my AMD GPU on Kubuntu 14.04: the whole window would start blinking, with a distorted image in it, it usually gets fixed my minimizing and restoring the window, but sometimes I have to close the affected application (usually a web browser, either Firefox or Chrome, but sometimes the steam client) and open it again. Ildefonso From clay at claydoh.com Tue Nov 4 18:54:31 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:54:31 -0500 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <5458D3B4.1000604@swbell.net> References: <54588EFA.3050109@gmail.com> <5458D3B4.1000604@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1689548.nddrWUXPMr@lark-latitude-d630> On Tuesday, November 04, 2014 07:25:08 AM Billie Walsh wrote: > > Something you said just jumped out at me. > > You disable the GPU [ Graphics Processor Unit ] as unnecessary? > > I'm no genius but I do know that the GPU is responsible for putting the > stuff on the screen. That's kind of like poking your eyes out and > wondering why you can't see anything. > > Also, the AMD with Intel GPU bothers me. Did you replace the graphics > with an Intel based graphics card or is it onboard Intel chip set with > an AMD CPU installed? No, it is so-called "hybrid" graphics, where there are two gpus on a computer, laptops mainly, one for low power, battery conserving use and the other for high performance, switchable as required (probably simply and automatically in Windows, I presume?) > > If it's an add-on Intel graphics board it might be made to work. If your > running an AMD CPU on an Intel board your asking for trouble. Mother > boards are designed for either an Intel or an AMD CPU. All the > supporting chips are optimized to run a particular manufacturers CPU. > Putting an AMD CPU on an Intel mother board, and vice versa, is just > asking for trouble. It ain't like the olden days when you just plugged > in whatever was laying around. > > When I first started playing around with Linux Nvidia graphics were the > graphics of choice for running Linux. Radeon was not well supported. > Then AMD bought out Radeon and all that changed. As far as I'm concerned > Radeon is the graphics of choice. I have an upper mid range/low high end > Radeon graphics card installed with the Catalyst Drives and it kicks > butt in Linux. -- Clay Weber (claydoh) http://kubuntuforums.net http://claydoh.combattery saving From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 09:49:16 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:49:16 +0200 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <1689548.nddrWUXPMr@lark-latitude-d630> References: <54588EFA.3050109@gmail.com> <5458D3B4.1000604@swbell.net> <1689548.nddrWUXPMr@lark-latitude-d630> Message-ID: <5459F29C.5090703@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/2014 20:54, Clay Weber wrote: > On Tuesday, November 04, 2014 07:25:08 AM Billie Walsh wrote: > >> >> Something you said just jumped out at me. >> >> You disable the GPU [ Graphics Processor Unit ] as unnecessary? >> >> I'm no genius but I do know that the GPU is responsible for >> putting the stuff on the screen. That's kind of like poking your >> eyes out and wondering why you can't see anything. >> >> Also, the AMD with Intel GPU bothers me. Did you replace the >> graphics with an Intel based graphics card or is it onboard Intel >> chip set with an AMD CPU installed? > > No, it is so-called "hybrid" graphics, where there are two gpus on > a computer, laptops mainly, one for low power, battery conserving > use and the other for high performance, switchable as required > (probably simply and automatically in Windows, I presume?) > yes it is a hybrid with 2 gpu, 1 is intel and 1 is AMD. It is SUPPOSED to work as you describe but some time after 12.04 the proprietary AMD (fglrx) software never finds the HD5450 card. The problem is known and has been discussed on Ubuntuforums but no solution has been found. If I use the open source Radeon driver the laptop damn near overheats and I can forget battery life.In all honesty it seems to have improved in later kernels but as I am not into gaming I prefer to simply switch off the AMD and use the Intel rather than having 2 gpu running without any to me noticeable advantage.Just to irritate me the vgaswitcheroo does not seem to work in kernels newer than 3.12.x, instead it only switches off the AMD gpu when on battery. If I could I would switch it off in BIOS but this idiotic BIOS goes back to "hybrid" on next reboot...and yes it works in the small windows 7 partition I keep for "just in case". Am not sure they even manufacture these hybrids any longer and had I been aware of this headache I would have bought something else. For me it is like this with linux and graphics: if you don't care about gaming simply go Intel. 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AMD is basically saying "get a new card if you want to use our drivers", kind of a slap to the face IMO. --c_smith On Wed, Nov 5, 2014, 8:31 PM Stephen Morris wrote: > On 11/03/2014 10:38 PM, Bill Vance wrote: > > > > Its been a little while, so I'll ask: Has 14.04 > > improved to the point where it treats AMD machines > > in a civilized manner? I wouldn't mind upgrading, > > but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort > > on crap that won't work at all, let alone work > > properly. > > > > Bill > > > Hi Bill, > Just my 2 cents worth. What do you mean by AMD machines? I have > never used any machine with a cpu other than AMD and I have never had > any issues with any version of Ubuntu, or for that matter any other > Linux I have used. Having said that though I also never use any graphics > card other than Nvidia. > > regards, > Steve > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 11:17:40 2014 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:17:40 +0000 Subject: .local/share oddities Message-ID: <3408040.o70ePlNzLZ@rachael> Just gone into my .local/share directory after thinking that I have lost some emails only to find that local-mail contains no files, just 3 folders cur, new and tmp which are also empty. I also have a .local-mail.directory which does seem to hold my emails. Strangely, every other directory in .local/share such as akonadi, icons, Trash etc. also has the 3 directories cur, new and tmp. Any idea what is going on? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Nov 7 09:28:11 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 01:28:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Nov 2014, Cody Smith wrote: > 12.04 actually coincides with when AMD split the driver ( HD > 5xxx/4xxx/3xxx were split into a "legacy" driver that is updated far > less often than the driver for newer cards), all this makes far more > sense from a business standpoint, they can't keep supporting old cards > indefinitely. It's just not feasible. > > AMD is basically saying "get a new card if you want to use our > drivers", kind of a slap to the face IMO. > > --c_smith > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014, 8:31 PM Stephen Morris > wrote: > On 11/03/2014 10:38 PM, Bill Vance wrote: > > > > Its been a little while, so I'll ask:  Has 14.04 > > improved to the point where it treats AMD machines > > in a civilized manner?  I wouldn't mind upgrading, > > but I don't want to keep wasting my time and effort > > on crap that won't work at all, let alone work > > properly. > > > > Bill > > > Hi Bill, >      Just my 2 cents worth. What do you mean by AMD > machines? I have > never used any machine with a cpu other than AMD and I have > never had > any issues with any version of Ubuntu, or for that matter > any other > Linux I have used. Having said that though I also never use > any graphics > card other than Nvidia. > > regards, > Steve I've got an AMD Sempron 2800+ motherboard, and I'm using the built in video. 14.04 Insists on using a screen resolution that requires an electron microscope to read the text. Unfortunately, _NOTHING_ in system settings works. Attempts to change the resolution just results in a permanent blank screen, even after reboot. Other AMD owners have reported a number of weird problems, and a _very_few_ claim no problems. Bill From joern.schoenyan at web.de Fri Nov 7 10:15:37 2014 From: joern.schoenyan at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Sch=F6nyan?=) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:15:37 +0100 Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate =?iso-8859-1?Q?AMD=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: <9f3006f9-590c-4b13-a883-4f90840e06c4@web.de> Am Freitag, 7. November 2014 10:28:11 CEST schrieb Bill Vance: > I've got an AMD Sempron 2800+ motherboard, and I'm using the > built in video. 14.04 Insists on using a screen resolution > that requires an electron microscope to read the text. > Unfortunately, _NOTHING_ in system settings works. Attempts > to change the resolution just results in a permanent blank > screen, even after reboot. > > Other AMD owners have reported a number of weird problems, > and a _very_few_ claim no problems. > > Bill > Sempron 2800+ has no built in graphics itself, so it's on the motherboard. But without informations about that, it's hard to tell what's the problem. At that time, SiS graphics were common in cheap computers with Semprons - that could be the answer. But I'm only guessing. I don't think this is processor-related. Jörn From pwhite at bluewin.ch Fri Nov 7 10:41:12 2014 From: pwhite at bluewin.ch (Perry) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:41:12 +0100 Subject: .local/share oddities In-Reply-To: <3408040.o70ePlNzLZ@rachael> References: <3408040.o70ePlNzLZ@rachael> Message-ID: <1975928.uXQ4OM09cQ@perry-vg020aa-uuz-p6111ch> Le jeudi, 6 novembre 2014 11.17:40 Mark Fraser a écrit : > Just gone into my .local/share directory after thinking that I have lost > some emails only to find that local-mail contains no files, just 3 folders > cur, new and tmp which are also empty. I also have a .local-mail.directory > which does seem to hold my emails. > > Strangely, every other directory in .local/share such as akonadi, icons, > Trash etc. also has the 3 directories cur, new and tmp. > > Any idea what is going on? > > -- > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Hi, Not sure it answers your question, but I belive that's how kmail behaves when there are subdirectories, I'll explain : Almost all my mail folders (e.g. "newMail" or "inNewUbu"don't have subdirectories but the 3 cur, new and tmp, (I will call those trivial subdirectories) The exception is the folder "V-Old" which contains sub folders "VeryOld" and "lessOld" which in turn contain sub folders. There I have a .V-Old.directory containing empty cur, new and tmp as well as a .VeryOld.directory and a .lessOld.directory subdirectory (themselves containing non trivial subdirectories and and other *.directory). It is only when I reach the last branch of the non trivial subdirectories that I find populated leaves of cur, new and tmp. Could you check that your inbox,sent-mail, trash and whatever are directly under local-mail and not enclosed in another intremediary directory ? HTH Perry -- BOFH excuse #146: Communications satellite used by the military for star wars -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-07 01:28 (UTC-0800): > I've got an AMD Sempron 2800+ motherboard, and I'm using the > built in video. 14.04 Insists on using a screen resolution My Sempron 2800+ motherboard does not have onboard video. Presumably, yours has some sort of NVidia? Which (lspci | grep VGA output)? > that requires an electron microscope to read the text. Exactly what resolution is it using? With what brand/model/size display? What does http://web.archive.org/web/20140806165951/http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html or http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html report for DPI and resolution? What is the output from 'xrdb -query | grep dpi', if any? If Xft.dpi is set to 96, you need to make it go away, either null, or set to a value that makes your fonts nice size. > Unfortunately, _NOTHING_ in system settings works. Attempts > to change the resolution just results in a permanent blank > screen, even after reboot. Which display driver is being used? NVidia proprietary? Nouveau? Other? 14.04 uses KDE 4.13.3, which uses KScreen instead of KRandr for manipulating video settings. KScreen ignores any attempts to obey any /etc/X11/xorg.conf* settings unless you disable it. I disable it thus via kdedrc: [Module-kscreen] autoload=false Once you can get xorg.conf to be obeyed you can not only use it to set whatever resolution you want, it can also force DPI to a value matching your screen (via DisplaySize[1]), or higher, which will enlarge everything, including fonts. [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20140819190325/http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize or http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 10:51:49 2014 From: jessepalsermailinglists at gmail.com (Jesse Palser) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 05:51:49 -0500 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <545CA445.9020304@GMail.com> On 11/07/2014 05:48 AM, Uriah Heep wrote: > This post is obviously not specific to Kubuntu but as I use kubuntu on > my other computers and list members have been friendly and helpful in > the past I thought I might get suggestions here. > > I have one elderly slow laptop currently running Kubuntu 14.04 but I > suspect this machine might be better served with a Linux with lighter > resource demands but still with a GUI. > > Suggestions please? > > Hi, What is the laptop's specifications? (CPU, RAM, GPU, etc.) I have an old and slow NetBook and I run Xubuntu 14.04 L.T.S. 64Bit. Xubuntu is a light Operating System which runs well on slow hardware. Good luck! 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Nils From mrmazda at earthlink.net Fri Nov 7 11:23:36 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:23:36 -0500 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <545CABB8.4090008@earthlink.net> Uriah Heep composed on 2014-11-07 05:48 (UTC-0500): > This post is obviously not specific to Kubuntu but as I use kubuntu on my > other computers and list members have been friendly and helpful in the past > I thought I might get suggestions here. > I have one elderly slow laptop currently running Kubuntu 14.04 but I > suspect this machine might be better served with a Linux with lighter > resource demands but still with a GUI. > Suggestions please? Sometimes the power a machine has is wasted on frivolity. Before trying other DEs, try globally disabling the bling. In /etc/X11/xorg.conf include the following Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection That might be all the help it needs. What CPU type and speed does it have? How much RAM? What gfxchip does it have? (lspci | grep VGA) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From gheskett at wdtv.com Fri Nov 7 17:36:20 2014 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:36:20 -0500 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Friday 07 November 2014 05:48:40 Uriah Heep did opine And Gene did reply: > This post is obviously not specific to Kubuntu but as I use kubuntu on > my other computers and list members have been friendly and helpful in > the past I thought I might get suggestions here. > > I have one elderly slow laptop currently running Kubuntu 14.04 but I > suspect this machine might be better served with a Linux with lighter > resource demands but still with a GUI. > > Suggestions please? I have an older Mint 14 on my old hp with a single core turion cpu at 1.4ghz. Considering the age of that DV5120us, it runs fairly well. So you might take a look at the latest Min, 17 IIRC. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 00:14:07 2014 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (Uriah Heep) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:14:07 -0500 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: The laptop is an Acer aspire 4730z with am Intel Pentium dual CPU T3400 @2.16 GHz. It came with 2 gigs ram which I upgraded to 4 though info only shows 3.8 Gib I also replaced the hard drive with a cheap 112 gig ssd several years ago. So far it seems Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the most widely suggested. When you say "Just install the packages Ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop. Then you can select the desktop at the login screen. " I am assuming I can use package manager to install the desktops as I am really effectively a noob. Thanks for the suggestions gentle folk. Uriah On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 07 November 2014 05:48:40 Uriah Heep did opine > And Gene did reply: > > This post is obviously not specific to Kubuntu but as I use kubuntu on > > my other computers and list members have been friendly and helpful in > > the past I thought I might get suggestions here. > > > > I have one elderly slow laptop currently running Kubuntu 14.04 but I > > suspect this machine might be better served with a Linux with lighter > > resource demands but still with a GUI. > > > > Suggestions please? > > I have an older Mint 14 on my old hp with a single core turion cpu at > 1.4ghz. 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URL: From dave at thefletchers.net Sat Nov 8 00:27:02 2014 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 00:27:02 +0000 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <1415406422.2497.10.camel@Tosh-NB520> On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 12:36 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 07 November 2014 05:48:40 Uriah Heep did opine > And Gene did reply: > > This post is obviously not specific to Kubuntu but as I use kubuntu on > > my other computers and list members have been friendly and helpful in > > the past I thought I might get suggestions here. > > > > I have one elderly slow laptop currently running Kubuntu 14.04 but I > > suspect this machine might be better served with a Linux with lighter > > resource demands but still with a GUI. > > > > Suggestions please? > > I have an older Mint 14 on my old hp with a single core turion cpu at > 1.4ghz. Considering the age of that DV5120us, it runs fairly well. > So you might take a look at the latest Min, 17 IIRC. +1 I'm running Mint 17 64 on an 8 year old home built Athlon desktop and a maybe 3 year old Atom powered net book. It works beautifully. My GF is running Mint 13 64 on an XP-era laptop in which I upgraded the RAM and HDD. She's also very happy with the vastly improved performance. Dave From clay at claydoh.com Sat Nov 8 00:57:03 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:57:03 -0500 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <33716629.6P3WYdryAB@gus-latitude-d830> On Friday, November 07, 2014 07:14:07 PM Uriah Heep wrote: > The laptop is an Acer aspire 4730z with am Intel Pentium dual CPU T3400 > @2.16 GHz. It came with 2 gigs ram which I upgraded to 4 though info only > shows 3.8 Gib I also replaced the hard drive with a cheap 112 gig ssd > several years ago. > > So far it seems Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the most widely suggested. When > you say "Just install the packages Ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop. Then > you can select the > desktop at the login screen. " I am assuming I can use package manager to > install the desktops as I am really effectively a noob. > > Thanks for the suggestions gentle folk. > > Uriah Heck, my 2008-ish Dell D830 runs a T7250 @2.00 Ghz, which is a similar cpu to yours. I upgraded to 4gb ram and a small ssd some time back myself. I have little problems running Kubuntu, or Unity, or Gnome so far, though I wish I could afford to try and see if 8gb ram will work in this thing - it is unofficial, but many seem to say it can. Browsers seem to be the ram-eaters these days for me. One thing I have seen that slows me down is the system hitting the swap partition way too soon. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F This small tweak can help. Just substitute "kdesudo kate" for the "gksudo gedit". It might help while you decide what different desktops to check out ;) If your system is like mine, the ram discrepancy you see is due to the memory used/reserved by the gpu. -- Clay Weber https://kubuntuforums.net http://kubuntu.org http://claydoh.com From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat Nov 8 01:11:03 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:11:03 -0600 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <545D6DA7.9040108@swbell.net> On 11/07/2014 06:14 PM, Uriah Heep wrote: > The laptop is an Acer aspire 4730z with am Intel Pentium dual CPU > T3400 @2.16 GHz. It came with 2 gigs ram which I upgraded to 4 though > info only shows 3.8 Gib I also replaced the hard drive with a cheap > 112 gig ssd several years ago. > > So far it seems Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the most widely suggested. > When you say "Just install the packages Ubuntu-desktop and > xubuntu-desktop. Then you can select the > desktop at the login screen. " I am assuming I can use package manager > to install the desktops as I am really effectively a noob. > > Thanks for the suggestions gentle folk. > > Uriah > I have an Asus EeePC, atom processor, 2 gigs, and a 64 gig SSD. It's running Kubuntu 14.04 just fine. I would think yours would be fine, depending on your use. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sat Nov 8 02:27:57 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 21:27:57 -0500 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <545D7FAD.2040707@earthlink.net> Uriah Heep composed on 2014-11-07 19:14 (UTC-0500): >> > This post is obviously not specific to Kubuntu but as I use kubuntu on >> > my other computers and list members have been friendly and helpful in >> > the past I thought I might get suggestions here. >> > I have one elderly slow laptop currently running Kubuntu 14.04 but I >> > suspect this machine might be better served with a Linux with lighter >> > resource demands but still with a GUI. >> > Suggestions please? > The laptop is an Acer aspire 4730z with am Intel Pentium dual CPU T3400 > @2.16 GHz. It came with 2 gigs ram which I upgraded to 4 though info only > shows 3.8 Gib I also replaced the hard drive with a cheap 112 gig ssd > several years ago. I wouldn't call that "slow". That is a lot more resources than I have available on many installations running KDE satisfactorily, as much as 8X the RAM, and double or more the CPU cores and MHz. How much power it takes to be satisfactory is rather subjective. It also depends on how many apps, and which apps, you keep open instead of closing when not in use. If you want faster, it may make more sense to upgrade to newer hardware than changing your DE. Instead of *changing*, add other DEs as already suggested, to see if there's a perceptible difference that actually matters to you. And, before doing anything else, make sure your installation doesn't have background services that you don't utilize gobbling CPU cycles. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kassube at gmx.net Sat Nov 8 05:56:01 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:56:01 +0100 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <4482380.OE5tIQTUZX@p5915> Uriah Heep wrote: > The laptop is an Acer aspire 4730z with am Intel Pentium dual CPU > T3400 @2.16 GHz. It came with 2 gigs ram which I upgraded to 4 though > info only shows 3.8 Gib I also replaced the hard drive with a cheap > 112 gig ssd several years ago. Obviously Gene asked the right question - like the others, I don't hink that your machine could be described as slow and it should run Kubuntu just fine. > So far it seems Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the most widely suggested. > When you say "Just install the packages Ubuntu-desktop and > xubuntu-desktop. Then you can select the > desktop at the login screen. " I am assuming I can use package manager > to install the desktops as I am really effectively a noob. Yes, that can be done with the package manager. When you select those two packages it will also install a lot of other packages as dependencies. You will probably need another 500MB up to 1GB disk space for all the packages. Nils From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Sat Nov 8 09:28:20 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 01:28:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD? In-Reply-To: <9f3006f9-590c-4b13-a883-4f90840e06c4@web.de> References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <9f3006f9-590c-4b13-a883-4f90840e06c4@web.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, Jörn Schönyan wrote: > Am Freitag, 7. November 2014 10:28:11 CEST schrieb Bill Vance: >> I've got an AMD Sempron 2800+ motherboard, and I'm using the >> built in video. 14.04 Insists on using a screen resolution >> that requires an electron microscope to read the text. >> Unfortunately, _NOTHING_ in system settings works. Attempts >> to change the resolution just results in a permanent blank >> screen, even after reboot. >> >> Other AMD owners have reported a number of weird problems, >> and a _very_few_ claim no problems. >> >> Bill >> > Sempron 2800+ has no built in graphics itself, so it's on the > motherboard. > But without informations about that, it's hard to tell what's the > problem. > At that time, SiS graphics were common in cheap computers with Semprons > - > that could be the answer. But I'm only guessing. I don't think this is > processor-related. > > Jörn Well, That still doesn't explain why nothing else in system settings works. Nothing. Bill From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Sat Nov 8 09:51:25 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 01:51:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts (was: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD?) In-Reply-To: <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, Felix Miata wrote: > Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-07 01:28 (UTC-0800): > >> I've got an AMD Sempron 2800+ motherboard, and I'm using the >> built in video. 14.04 Insists on using a screen resolution > > My Sempron 2800+ motherboard does not have onboard video. Presumably, yours > has some sort of NVidia? Which (lspci | grep VGA output)? > >> that requires an electron microscope to read the text. > > Exactly what resolution is it using? With what brand/model/size display? What > does > http://web.archive.org/web/20140806165951/http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html > or http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html report for DPI and > resolution? What is the output from 'xrdb -query | grep dpi', if any? If > Xft.dpi is set to 96, you need to make it go away, either null, or set to a > value that makes your fonts nice size. > >> Unfortunately, _NOTHING_ in system settings works. Attempts >> to change the resolution just results in a permanent blank >> screen, even after reboot. > > Which display driver is being used? NVidia proprietary? Nouveau? Other? > > 14.04 uses KDE 4.13.3, which uses KScreen instead of KRandr for manipulating > video settings. KScreen ignores any attempts to obey any /etc/X11/xorg.conf* > settings unless you disable it. I disable it thus via kdedrc: > > [Module-kscreen] > autoload=false > > Once you can get xorg.conf to be obeyed you can not only use it to set > whatever resolution you want, it can also force DPI to a value matching your > screen (via DisplaySize[1]), or higher, which will enlarge everything, > including fonts. > > [1] > http://web.archive.org/web/20140819190325/http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize > or http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize > -- > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ Thanks for the help, Felix. I'll save your post for the next time I try to install 14.04. At the moment, I've got 12.04 installed, so trying some of the above won't provide anything useful. The rest of your questions sound interesting, but I have no idea how/where to find the info. :-( Bill From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 15:13:44 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 17:13:44 +0200 Subject: replaced .xsession-errors? Message-ID: <545E3328.4040102@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I read on g+ kubuntu some time ago that Kubuntu has "relocated" a lot of error loggin from /HOME/.xsession-errors to another location and when I checked: for sure my .xsession-errors is near empty and the other had quite a bit of info. Problem: I lost track of both the post and where the new location(s) are, anyone knows? Kind regards Sinclair -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlReMyAACgkQdVb2AWQj/7bdmgCeLJYsOnQGVwkkiT/9J/tyfnh9 JWcAn3FCapZPEhBenmpcvVLcBE38V+XP =b3BX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sat Nov 8 15:44:51 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 10:44:51 -0500 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-08 01:51 (UTC-0800): > Felix Miata wrote: >> My Sempron 2800+ motherboard does not have onboard video. Presumably, yours >> has some sort of NVidia? Which (lspci | grep VGA output)? 'lspci | grep VGA output' is a command to run in Konsole or other terminal or on a vtty. >> Exactly what resolution is it using? With what brand/model/size display? What >> does >> http://web.archive.org/web/20140806165951/http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html >> or http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html report for DPI and >> resolution? Load one of those pages in Konq, SeaMonkey or Firefox (not Chrome or Chromium, and not Konq set to use the WebKit engine). Konq often refuses to show DPI until after one or more reloads, and needs to be using KHTML instead of WebKit to work correctly on a screen that is not in fact 96 DPI. > What is the output from 'xrdb -query | grep dpi', if any? If That quote is another shell (e.g. Konsole) command. >> Xft.dpi is set to 96, you need to make it go away, either null, or set to a >> value that makes your fonts nice size. If Xft.dpi is set it make take considerable exploring to find out where it is being set. >> Which display driver is being used? NVidia proprietary? Nouveau? Other? That answer shows up in /var/log/Xorg.0.log in the form of many sequential lines repeating the driver name in caps. >> 14.04 uses KDE 4.13.3, which uses KScreen instead of KRandr for manipulating >> video settings. KScreen ignores any attempts to obey any /etc/X11/xorg.conf* >> settings unless you disable it. I disable it thus via kdedrc: >> [Module-kscreen] >> autoload=false kdedrc lives in ~/.kde/share/config. To edit it you need to log out of KDE, then log in on any vtty, then use any text editor, such as nano, mcedit, vi or joe. Kscreen isn't applicable in 12.04 though. >> Once you can get xorg.conf to be obeyed you can not only use it to set >> whatever resolution you want, it can also force DPI to a value matching your >> screen (via DisplaySize[1]), or higher, which will enlarge everything, >> including fonts. >> [1] >> http://web.archive.org/web/20140819190325/http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize >> or http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize That file includes some example content that's valid in an xorg.conf file. To actually build an xorg.conf file you'll want to find a howto somewhere on help.ubuntu.com or elsewhere, specific to your video driver if you are using a proprietary one. For what you'll want to do you'll only need 3 or possibly 4 sections for any FOSS driver: Section "Device" Section "Monitor" Section "Screen" If you need or want to disable bling globally: Section "Extensions" http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/xorg.conf-minimal-force-DPI is a minimalist version you could work from or tweak to your own needs. > Thanks for the help, Felix. I'll save your post for the next > time I try to install 14.04. At the moment, I've got 12.04 > installed, so trying some of the above won't provide anything > useful. Actually running those commands and loading the web page would offer some knowledge no matter which release you have installed. And you could try building custom configuration through xorg.conf just to see how it can work. It works the same since long before 12.04 and still continues in 14.10. Most people simply don't need it, since automagic in conjunction with desktop settings works well enough for most users. > The rest of your questions sound interesting, but I have no > idea how/where to find the info. :-( Starting point for xorg.conf: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html For more, use the search box in your web browser. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Sun Nov 9 05:44:42 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 21:44:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, Felix Miata wrote: > Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-08 01:51 (UTC-0800): > >> Felix Miata wrote: > >>> My Sempron 2800+ motherboard does not have onboard video. Presumably, yours >>> has some sort of NVidia? Which (lspci | grep VGA output)? > > 'lspci | grep VGA output' is a command to run in Konsole or other terminal or > on a vtty. > >>> Exactly what resolution is it using? With what brand/model/size display? What >>> does >>> http://web.archive.org/web/20140806165951/http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html >>> or http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html report for DPI and >>> resolution? > > Load one of those pages in Konq, SeaMonkey or Firefox (not Chrome or > Chromium, and not Konq set to use the WebKit engine). Konq often refuses to > show DPI until after one or more reloads, and needs to be using KHTML instead > of WebKit to work correctly on a screen that is not in fact 96 DPI. > >> What is the output from 'xrdb -query | grep dpi', if any? If > > That quote is another shell (e.g. Konsole) command. > >>> Xft.dpi is set to 96, you need to make it go away, either null, or set to a >>> value that makes your fonts nice size. > > If Xft.dpi is set it make take considerable exploring to find out where it is > being set. > >>> Which display driver is being used? NVidia proprietary? Nouveau? Other? > > That answer shows up in /var/log/Xorg.0.log in the form of many sequential > lines repeating the driver name in caps. > >>> 14.04 uses KDE 4.13.3, which uses KScreen instead of KRandr for manipulating >>> video settings. KScreen ignores any attempts to obey any /etc/X11/xorg.conf* >>> settings unless you disable it. I disable it thus via kdedrc: > >>> [Module-kscreen] >>> autoload=false > > kdedrc lives in ~/.kde/share/config. To edit it you need to log out of KDE, > then log in on any vtty, then use any text editor, such as nano, mcedit, vi > or joe. Kscreen isn't applicable in 12.04 though. > >>> Once you can get xorg.conf to be obeyed you can not only use it to set >>> whatever resolution you want, it can also force DPI to a value matching your >>> screen (via DisplaySize[1]), or higher, which will enlarge everything, >>> including fonts. > >>> [1] >>> http://web.archive.org/web/20140819190325/http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize >>> or http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize > > That file includes some example content that's valid in an xorg.conf file. To > actually build an xorg.conf file you'll want to find a howto somewhere on > help.ubuntu.com or elsewhere, specific to your video driver if you are using > a proprietary one. For what you'll want to do you'll only need 3 or possibly > 4 sections for any FOSS driver: > > Section "Device" > Section "Monitor" > Section "Screen" > > If you need or want to disable bling globally: > Section "Extensions" > > http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/xorg.conf-minimal-force-DPI is a minimalist version > you could work from or tweak to your own needs. > >> Thanks for the help, Felix. I'll save your post for the next >> time I try to install 14.04. At the moment, I've got 12.04 >> installed, so trying some of the above won't provide anything >> useful. > > Actually running those commands and loading the web page would offer some > knowledge no matter which release you have installed. And you could try > building custom configuration through xorg.conf just to see how it can work. > It works the same since long before 12.04 and still continues in 14.10. Most > people simply don't need it, since automagic in conjunction with desktop > settings works well enough for most users. > >> The rest of your questions sound interesting, but I have no >> idea how/where to find the info. :-( > > Starting point for xorg.conf: > http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html > > For more, use the search box in your web browser. > -- > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ Thanks again Felix, here's what I got: lspci | grep VGA Returned: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.htm Returned: ← one inch → 90 DPI ← 25.4 mm → UA Default Font Size 08pt 10pt 12pt 14pt Screen Total Screen Available Window Viewport Width Height Width Height Width Height Width Height 16px 1920 1080 1920 1045 703 485 703 414 Your DPI, Default Font Size, Screen Resolution & Window Dimensions If the black blocks above left do not measure as indicated, your DPI is not accurately set for your display. UA ID: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0; Build ID: 20141013200408 xrdb -query | grep dpi Returned: Nothing containing, "dpi". The only thing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that seems to fit your discription is: CHROME(0) And thats about it for the moment; Getting to be sleepy time. Later, bye! Bill From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sun Nov 9 07:30:21 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 02:30:21 -0500 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <545F180D.5070002@earthlink.net> Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-08 21:44 (UTC-0800): > lspci | grep VGA > Returned: > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. > K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) That's one of the less popular and less well supported video devices. As a result, it gets much less attention during development of new releases, and so a bug could have snuck into the Xorg server or the applicable Openchrome driver after 12.04 and was never reported, or was reported but not fixed as of 14.04. If you hope to upgrade to something newer than 12.04 at some point I suggest you adopt one of three basic plans: 1-Install a well supported video card from AMD (ATI, Radeon) or NVidia so that you don't need to depend on the Openchrome driver, or 2-Switch to a newer computer, preferably one with well supported video from AMD, Intel or NVidia, or 3-Test the latest release as it is being developed, as far in advance of release as you possibly can. The easiest method for most people is using pre-release live media, testing to see how it works, and ensuring whatever doesn't work satisfactorily gets reported on bugs.launchpad.net in time to have a chance of getting fixed before final release. Alternatively to live media booting are such options as installing in a VM, or creating a multi-boot environment (more than one distro installed on the same system, much like is done by people who need both Windows and Linux on their computers). A subcategory of #3 would be trying 14.04, collecting and sharing enough system data to find out whether in fact a bug exists or whether some special configuration is required to function properly on you particular computer. If you plan to keep trying anything newer than 12.04 with your current hardware, you should at the very least save /var/log/Xorg.0.log so that it can be compared with that file as created by whatever newer version(s) you try. It is full of information that is invaluable in resolving trouble with the X server and drivers. If you were to share the one 14.04 created, someone might be able to spot the problem you had and tell you how to fix it. > http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html > Returned: > ... one inch ... > 90 DPI Are you sure it was 90 and not 96? Any number less than 96 is very unusual. Numbers greater than 96 are rather uncommon, as most installations force 96 unless the user has taken steps to prevent that. > ... 25.4 mm ... Using a ruler held up to your screen, how wide does it measure? > ... UA Default > Font Size ... > Width Height Width Height Width Height Width Height > 16px 1920 1080 1920 1045 703 485 703 414 ... What size is your 1920x1080 screen? What make and model? > xrdb -query | grep dpi > Returned: Nothing containing, "dpi". OK > The only thing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that seems to fit your > discription is: > CHROME(0) That suggests 12.04 is using the optimal driver for your onboard video chip. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kassube at gmx.net Sun Nov 9 08:22:11 2014 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 09:22:11 +0100 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <545F180D.5070002@earthlink.net> References: <545F180D.5070002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5901133.6CkumoIYBK@p5915> Felix Miata wrote: > Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-08 21:44 (UTC-0800): > > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. > > K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) > > That's one of the less popular and less well supported video devices. That's a very diplomatic description. :) > If you hope to upgrade to something newer than 12.04 at some point I > suggest you adopt one of three basic plans: > > 1-Install a well supported video card from AMD (ATI, Radeon) or NVidia > so that you don't need to depend on the Openchrome driver, or > > 2-Switch to a newer computer, preferably one with well supported video > from AMD, Intel or NVidia, or > > 3-Test the latest release as it is being developed, as far in advance > of release as you possibly can. The easiest method for most people is > using pre-release live media, testing to see how it works, and > ensuring whatever doesn't work satisfactorily gets reported on > bugs.launchpad.net in time to have a chance of getting fixed before > final release. IMHO the first option is the one with the least effort. Of course it would be great to have someone with that video hardware test new releases during development. But be aware, that it may take quite some time until a bug gets fixed, especially if it is an upstream problem. > Alternatively to live media booting are such options > as installing in a VM, I think that wouldn't work because the video hardware of the VM is emulated. You would have to run on the real hardware to check for bugs in the video driver. Nils From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sun Nov 9 08:43:01 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 03:43:01 -0500 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <5901133.6CkumoIYBK@p5915> References: <545F180D.5070002@earthlink.net> <5901133.6CkumoIYBK@p5915> Message-ID: <545F2915.1000806@earthlink.net> Nils Kassube composed on 2014-11-09 09:22 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata wrote: >> That's one of the less popular and less well supported video devices. > That's a very diplomatic description. :) That is what I was going for, trying extra hard to be nice. :-) >> Alternatively to live media booting are such options >> as installing in a VM, > I think that wouldn't work because the video hardware of the VM is > emulated. You would have to run on the real hardware to check for bugs > in the video driver. Oops, silly me. Testing on real hardware is exactly why I have so many different working puters here. :-p Then again, neither a CPU nor a motherboard BIOS as old as his would have any support for virtualization in hardware, so any pure software VM used for any purpose might be a frustrating experience, if it works at all. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 10:10:30 2014 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (Uriah Heep) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 05:10:30 -0500 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: <4482380.OE5tIQTUZX@p5915> References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4482380.OE5tIQTUZX@p5915> Message-ID: I believe that you are right and my problem is one of perception. I seldom use the laptop and my main system had given me a distorted view. Big difference between I 7 @ 4.8 gigahertz with Samsung 240 pro ssd. That said Xubuntu does seem a good bit more spritely especially after severely limiting non essential processes. My thanks for all the excellent advice. On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Uriah Heep wrote: > > The laptop is an Acer aspire 4730z with am Intel Pentium dual CPU > > T3400 @2.16 GHz. It came with 2 gigs ram which I upgraded to 4 though > > info only shows 3.8 Gib I also replaced the hard drive with a cheap > > 112 gig ssd several years ago. > > Obviously Gene asked the right question - like the others, I don't hink > that your machine could be described as slow and it should run Kubuntu > just fine. > > > So far it seems Xubuntu and Lubuntu are the most widely suggested. > > When you say "Just install the packages Ubuntu-desktop and > > xubuntu-desktop. Then you can select the > > desktop at the login screen. " I am assuming I can use package manager > > to install the desktops as I am really effectively a noob. > > Yes, that can be done with the package manager. When you select those > two packages it will also install a lot of other packages as > dependencies. You will probably need another 500MB up to 1GB disk space > for all the packages. > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Sun Nov 9 10:19:27 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 05:19:27 -0500 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts (was: Why Does 14.04 Hate AMD?) Message-ID: I  recently upgraded my laptop's screen to one with a higher resolution. https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?t=66766 This little top on dpi settings helped me, as simply increasing font sizes made things look odd and out of place, while adjusting screen resolution made things less clear, less sharp. It seems that an LCD has a native resolution that it works best with, as compared to the old crt monitors. Clay WeberOn Nov 8, 2014 4:51 AM, Bill Vance wrote: > > > > On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, Felix Miata wrote: > > > Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-07 01:28 (UTC-0800): > > > >> I've got an AMD Sempron 2800+ motherboard, and I'm using the > >> built in video.  14.04 Insists on using a screen resolution > > > > My Sempron 2800+ motherboard does not have onboard video. Presumably, yours > > has some sort of NVidia? Which (lspci | grep VGA output)? > > > >> that requires an electron microscope to read the text. > > > > Exactly what resolution is it using? With what brand/model/size display? What > > does > > http://web.archive.org/web/20140806165951/http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html > > or http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html report for DPI and > > resolution? What is the output from 'xrdb -query | grep dpi', if any? If > > Xft.dpi is set to 96, you need to make it go away, either null, or set to a > > value that makes your fonts nice size. > > > >> Unfortunately, _NOTHING_ in system settings works.  Attempts > >> to change the resolution just results in a permanent blank > >> screen, even after reboot. > > > > Which display driver is being used? NVidia proprietary? Nouveau? Other? > > > > 14.04 uses KDE 4.13.3, which uses KScreen instead of KRandr for manipulating > > video settings. KScreen ignores any attempts to obey any /etc/X11/xorg.conf* > > settings unless you disable it. I disable it thus via kdedrc: > > > > [Module-kscreen] > > autoload=false > > > > Once you can get xorg.conf to be obeyed you can not only use it to set > > whatever resolution you want, it can also force DPI to a value matching your > > screen (via DisplaySize[1]), or higher, which will enlarge everything, > > including fonts. > > > > [1] > > http://web.archive.org/web/20140819190325/http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize > > or http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/DisplaySize > > -- > > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > > > Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > > Thanks for the help, Felix.  I'll save your post for the next > time I try to install 14.04.  At the moment, I've got 12.04 > installed, so trying some of the above won't provide anything > useful. > > The rest of your questions sound interesting, but I have no > idea how/where to find the info.  :-( > > Bill > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 10:33:20 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 11:33:20 +0100 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4482380.OE5tIQTUZX@p5915> Message-ID: <20141109113320.21de9d50@archlinux> On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 05:10:30 -0500 Uriah Heep wrote: > > Uriah Heep wrote: > > > The laptop is an Acer aspire 4730z with am Intel Pentium dual CPU > > > T3400 @2.16 GHz. It came with 2 gigs ram which I upgraded to 4 > > > though info only shows 3.8 Gib I also replaced the hard drive > > > with a cheap 112 gig ssd several years ago. > > > > Obviously Gene asked the right question - like the others, I don't > > hink that your machine could be described as slow and it should run > > Kubuntu just fine. Gene seldom is mistaken. My desktop PC is a 2.1 GHz Athlon dual core and I started with 2 GiB RAM, later I upgraded to 4 GiB RAM. I could do real-time pro audio/MIDI work with any DE and distro with my old Envy24 sound cards. With my new RME, a much better sound card, it's hard to do what ever WM I'M using. IOW what additional hardware for what computer usage is used? This laptop isn't outdated. What happens if you're using another DE or WM? Did you test KDE or another DE, WM with another distro? From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Nov 9 12:00:22 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 06:00:22 -0600 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <545F180D.5070002@earthlink.net> References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> <545F180D.5070002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <545F5756.6030901@swbell.net> On 11/09/2014 01:30 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > 1-Install a well supported video card from AMD (ATI, Radeon) or NVidia so > that you don't need to depend on the Openchrome driver, or We just bought a couple of very nice ATI/Radeon video cards from Newegg* at a very good price. They are kind of upper mid range as video cards go. Plenty of onboard memory of their own so no shared memory. I think we only paid twenty-some dollars each for them. Using the Catalyst driver they work great in 14.04. * - Standard disclaimers apply. - I receive no income or other benefit [ other than good prices for stuff ] from Newegg. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Nov 9 12:18:13 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 06:18:13 -0600 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4482380.OE5tIQTUZX@p5915> Message-ID: <545F5B85.9010101@swbell.net> On 11/09/2014 04:10 AM, Uriah Heep wrote: > I believe that you are right and my problem is one of perception. I > seldom use the laptop and my main system had given me a distorted > view. Big difference between I 7 @ 4.8 gigahertz with Samsung 240 pro > ssd. That said Xubuntu does seem a good bit more spritely especially > after severely limiting non essential processes. > > My thanks for all the excellent advice. I have a couple Android tablets. My normal computers are mostly quad core with loads of memory or my dual core laptop with an SSD. The Androids seem like they are never going to get booted up. I think my old 386 AT booted faster. So, yes, perception can make a difference. I had an Asus EeePC that I had a version of Linux with the XFCE desktop. It did seem like a good choice for a machine with minimal resources. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sun Nov 9 12:40:21 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:40:21 -0500 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <545F60B5.6040508@earthlink.net> Clay Weber composed on 2014-11-09 05:19 (UTC-0500): > I recently upgraded my laptop's screen to one with a higher resolution. > https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?t=66766 > This little top on dpi settings helped me, as simply increasing font sizes > made things look odd and out of place, while adjusting screen resolution > made things less clear, less sharp. It seems that an LCD has a native > resolution that it works best with, as compared to the old crt monitors. Oshunluvr's post mentioned "correct" DPI. In the context he used, the better word would be "accurate". Those two words don't necessarily mean the same thing. Accurate has a clear meaning. Do the math, and the result won't vary. Correct actually depends personal on point of view, the display's physical DPI, font smoothing (or lack thereof) and various characteristics that don't necessarily change in linear fashion as the DPI actually used is varied. In short, subjective factors affect what could be termed correct. One of those characteristics is fonts. Most are optimized for the traditional Windows default of 96 DPI that most DEs, and by default X itself, assume. It turns out that optimization works equally well for any multiple of 24 that is 96 or more, almost as well for any multiple of 12 that is 96 or more, slightly less well for any multiple of 8 that is 96 or more, still less well for a multiple of 4 that is 96 or more, and so on. Numbers best avoided are those like 103 and 111, because if you're sensitive to fonts, very likely you won't like the way nominal font sizes increment in physical size. On a page like http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-droid.html the expectation is that the slope of the line ends is rather straight, with linear distinctions in physical size according to nominal size, but that won't necessarily happen if the DPI value isn't one of the higher multiples. All that said, with significantly higher DPI displays, individual glyphs have so many more pixels that whether DPI is a happy multiple disappears. Disregarding the effects of font smoothing, a typical 12pt font at 96 DPI on average has 128 (16 tall by 8 wide) pixels per glyph at most to work with. Increase the DPI to 120, 25%, and it jumps to 200 (20 tall by 10 wide), 56% more. Not likely the difference between 168 and 171 would be detectable, but between 108 (evenly divisible by 12) and 111 (not evenly divisible by 2, 4, 8, 12 or 24) it should be to any with median or better vision. IOW, don't be afraid to use DPI to make your DE objects, including fonts, bigger, as long as you stick to one of the happy multiples. Likely the result will be more pleasing than naively going for accurate, or sticking with the 96 default. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From gheskett at wdtv.com Sun Nov 9 13:23:38 2014 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 08:23:38 -0500 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <545F5756.6030901@swbell.net> References: <545F180D.5070002@earthlink.net> <545F5756.6030901@swbell.net> Message-ID: <201411090823.38273.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Sunday 09 November 2014 07:00:22 Billie Walsh did opine And Gene did reply: > On 11/09/2014 01:30 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > > 1-Install a well supported video card from AMD (ATI, Radeon) or > > NVidia so that you don't need to depend on the Openchrome driver, or > > We just bought a couple of very nice ATI/Radeon video cards from > Newegg* at a very good price. They are kind of upper mid range as > video cards go. Plenty of onboard memory of their own so no shared > memory. I think we only paid twenty-some dollars each for them. Using > the Catalyst driver they work great in 14.04. > > * - Standard disclaimers apply. - I receive no income or other benefit > [ other than good prices for stuff ] from Newegg. It may be that later installs than mine can tolerate catalyst, but the last time I tried it on a box I was going to use for linuxcnc, it was unusable because it got its performance by locking out IRQ's for very extended lengths in terms of machine time, several 100's of milliseconds at a time when the box MUST deal with stepper motor pulse generation every 20-50 microseconds, which wasn't any better than our regular drivers for an R600 based card, and would wreck parts, cutting tools or even machines. I did wind up using that box for a year or so, but had to use the vesa driver & put up with its crappy low res screen limit. I finally threw money at it & put an atom powered machine on that shelf, works far better. So much better that I dropped the card for another box just like it to run my lathe too, about a month later. Best $550 I ever spent on puter hardware. I tried to install catalyst on this machine, failed, wouldn't even boot, had to wipe & reinstall. Thank $diety for amanda, never lost a byte. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Nov 9 13:48:06 2014 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:48:06 -0600 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <201411090823.38273.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <545F180D.5070002@earthlink.net> <545F5756.6030901@swbell.net> <201411090823.38273.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <545F7096.80503@swbell.net> On 11/09/2014 07:23 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 09 November 2014 07:00:22 Billie Walsh did opine > And Gene did reply: >> On 11/09/2014 01:30 AM, Felix Miata wrote: >>> 1-Install a well supported video card from AMD (ATI, Radeon) or >>> NVidia so that you don't need to depend on the Openchrome driver, or >> We just bought a couple of very nice ATI/Radeon video cards from >> Newegg* at a very good price. They are kind of upper mid range as >> video cards go. Plenty of onboard memory of their own so no shared >> memory. I think we only paid twenty-some dollars each for them. Using >> the Catalyst driver they work great in 14.04. >> >> * - Standard disclaimers apply. - I receive no income or other benefit >> [ other than good prices for stuff ] from Newegg. > It may be that later installs than mine can tolerate catalyst, but the > last time I tried it on a box I was going to use for linuxcnc, it was > unusable because it got its performance by locking out IRQ's for very > extended lengths in terms of machine time, several 100's of milliseconds > at a time when the box MUST deal with stepper motor pulse generation every > 20-50 microseconds, which wasn't any better than our regular drivers for > an R600 based card, and would wreck parts, cutting tools or even machines. > I did wind up using that box for a year or so, but had to use the vesa > driver & put up with its crappy low res screen limit. I finally threw > money at it & put an atom powered machine on that shelf, works far better. > So much better that I dropped the card for another box just like it to run > my lathe too, about a month later. Best $550 I ever spent on puter > hardware. > > I tried to install catalyst on this machine, failed, wouldn't even boot, > had to wipe & reinstall. Thank $diety for amanda, never lost a byte. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett Well, we all use our machines for different purposes. I don't have any CNC machines so that's not an issue for me. I do a little bit of graphics editing with Gimp. I do web pages with Bluefish. Surf the web for information. And, e-mail. Catalyst does quite well for my purposes -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 14:42:55 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 15:42:55 +0100 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: <545F5B85.9010101@swbell.net> References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4482380.OE5tIQTUZX@p5915> <545F5B85.9010101@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20141109154255.2d408dcb@archlinux> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 06:18:13 -0600 Billie Walsh wrote: > perception can make a difference Unlikely that it's perceptible that a 2.16 GHz machine with 4 GiB is slower, when using KDE for averaged desktop usage (office, browsing, mailing, moving windows etc.), than doing this on a more modern machine, assumed there shouldn't be something fishy. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 15:02:40 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:02:40 +0100 Subject: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: <20141109154255.2d408dcb@archlinux> References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4482380.OE5tIQTUZX@p5915> <545F5B85.9010101@swbell.net> <20141109154255.2d408dcb@archlinux> Message-ID: <20141109160240.0abc2bea@archlinux> On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 15:42:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 06:18:13 -0600 > Billie Walsh wrote: > > perception can make a difference > > Unlikely that it's perceptible that a 2.16 GHz machine with 4 GiB is > slower, when using KDE for averaged desktop usage (office, browsing, > mailing, moving windows etc.), than doing this on a more modern > machine, assumed there shouldn't be something fishy. Resp., I notice that GTK3 applications became a PITA (on every WM/DE what ever distro is used), it gets more evil with each GTK3 upgrade on my machine with similar specifications. Qt apps, GTK2 apps and anything else (excepted of GTK3 crap) is as quick as lightning. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 15:40:31 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:40:31 +0100 Subject: Preferred apps for a Qt desktop environment - Was: Linux version for elderly slow laptop In-Reply-To: <545F5B85.9010101@swbell.net> References: <201411071236.20716.gheskett@wdtv.com> <4482380.OE5tIQTUZX@p5915> <545F5B85.9010101@swbell.net> Message-ID: <20141109164031.5616a4f5@archlinux> JFTR a disto as e.g. Kubuntu based on Qt, perhaps should ship with the Qt based Qupzilla. Shure, Qupzilla has got some disavantage compared to e.g. Firefox, but regarding this disadvantages Google-Chrome anyway is the better way to go, instead of installing outdated proprietary closed source Adobe shit. From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Mon Nov 10 16:38:27 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:38:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <545F60B5.6040508@earthlink.net> References: <545F60B5.6040508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yo Felix; I forgot to mention, (I was getting sleepy), that little. "measuring bar thingy", up in the top left corner came out to apx. 1 11/16". Bill From mrmazda at earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 21:24:17 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:24:17 -0500 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54612D01.1090404@earthlink.net> Bill Vance composed: > http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html > Returned: > one inch > 90 DPI > 25.4 mm > UA Default > Font Size > 08pt > 10pt > 12pt > 14pt > Screen Total Screen Available Window Viewport > Width Height Width Height Width Height Width Height > 16px 1920 1080 1920 1045 703 485 703 414 > Your DPI, Default Font Size, Screen Resolution & Window Dimensions > If the black blocks above left do not measure as indicated, your DPI > is not accurately set for your display. > ...that little. > "measuring bar thingy", up in the top left corner came out > to apx. 1 11/16". As display size gets larger, given no other changes, it gets wider. As resolution gets higher, given no other changes, it gets narrower. The combination of display size and resolution provide display pixel density, usually reported as DPI, but sometimes PPI. The physical PPI of your display is a fixed value, usually reported in fractions of an inch, and called "dot pitch" such as .29 or .37. Regardless of display pitch, your DE's DPI remains dependent on display size and resolution at a calculated logical value that may or may not be anywhere close physically to the dot pitch. If the DE's DPI is higher than the physical pitch, X will interpolate as required for best fit, which means you can specify a DE density higher than physical density to give a net result equal to the best the physics offer. As DE DPI gets higher, given no other changes, it gets wider (and KDE fonts get bigger). Thus if you want bigger fonts (and other desktop objects), one way is to force DPI upward. The KDE font settings panel is one way that can be done. Other ways include Xft.dpi, xrandr, and xorg.conf, all of which can affect the KDM greeter as well as your desktop, while the setting in the fonts panel won't affect the greeter. Working backwards from the data that URL provided, we assume your Firefox is using default about:config settings, then use the resolution, 1920x1080, and the reported DPI, 90, to either calculate that the display has a physical size in between 24" and 25", or look it up in a chart, such as: http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/displays.html. One fly in the working backwards ointment is there are ways 90 could have been forced to an artificial value rather than a real one. Xorg itself forces 96 by default, and most DEs, including KDE, accept it by default. The other fly is that about:config settings in Firefox may have been altered to skew the reported value along with its font sizes. In Konq, I don't think that kind of adjustment and skewing is possible. Without seeing Xorg.0.log from your 14.04 installation, and comparing it to one from 12.04, we can't know specifically why the fonts in 14.04 were smaller. And, simply comparing them won't necessarily provide enough information. In most cases I've seen a reported DPI of 90, it was produced because it was an Xft.dpi setting, which 'xrdb -query | grep dpi' should have reported if set on your system. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Tue Nov 11 09:26:49 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 01:26:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <54612D01.1090404@earthlink.net> References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> <54612D01.1090404@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Felix Miata wrote: > Bill Vance composed: > >> http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html > >> Returned: > >> one inch >> 90 DPI > >> 25.4 mm >> UA Default >> Font Size >> 08pt >> 10pt >> 12pt >> 14pt >> Screen Total Screen Available Window Viewport >> Width Height Width Height Width Height Width Height >> 16px 1920 1080 1920 1045 703 485 703 414 >> Your DPI, Default Font Size, Screen Resolution & Window Dimensions >> If the black blocks above left do not measure as indicated, your DPI >> is not accurately set for your display. > >> ...that little. >> "measuring bar thingy", up in the top left corner came out >> to apx. 1 11/16". > > As display size gets larger, given no other changes, it gets wider. > > As resolution gets higher, given no other changes, it gets narrower. > > The combination of display size and resolution provide display pixel density, > usually reported as DPI, but sometimes PPI. The physical PPI of your display > is a fixed value, usually reported in fractions of an inch, and called "dot > pitch" such as .29 or .37. Regardless of display pitch, your DE's DPI remains > dependent on display size and resolution at a calculated logical value that > may or may not be anywhere close physically to the dot pitch. If the DE's DPI > is higher than the physical pitch, X will interpolate as required for best > fit, which means you can specify a DE density higher than physical density to > give a net result equal to the best the physics offer. > > As DE DPI gets higher, given no other changes, it gets wider (and KDE fonts > get bigger). > > Thus if you want bigger fonts (and other desktop objects), one way is to > force DPI upward. The KDE font settings panel is one way that can be done. > Other ways include Xft.dpi, xrandr, and xorg.conf, all of which can affect > the KDM greeter as well as your desktop, while the setting in the fonts panel > won't affect the greeter. > > Working backwards from the data that URL provided, we assume your Firefox is > using default about:config settings, then use the resolution, 1920x1080, and > the reported DPI, 90, to either calculate that the display has a physical > size in between 24" and 25", or look it up in a chart, such as: > http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/displays.html. One fly in the working backwards > ointment is there are ways 90 could have been forced to an artificial value > rather than a real one. Xorg itself forces 96 by default, and most DEs, > including KDE, accept it by default. The other fly is that about:config > settings in Firefox may have been altered to skew the reported value along > with its font sizes. In Konq, I don't think that kind of adjustment and > skewing is possible. > > Without seeing Xorg.0.log from your 14.04 installation, and comparing it to > one from 12.04, we can't know specifically why the fonts in 14.04 were > smaller. And, simply comparing them won't necessarily provide enough > information. In most cases I've seen a reported DPI of 90, it was produced > because it was an Xft.dpi setting, which 'xrdb -query | grep dpi' should have > reported if set on your system. While there were a lot of lines in the log file, not a single one had, "dpi", in it. If you want, I can send you the output. I don't understand a fraction of what you mentioned above, but one thing kinda puts the kibosh on some of it, is that this is about the video, while this, and everything else in 14.04 system settings doesn't work. __EVERYTHING__ Looks like it's new motherboard time. **Again** Bill From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Nov 11 10:59:43 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 05:59:43 -0500 Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> <54612D01.1090404@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5461EC1F.7030703@earthlink.net> Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-11 01:26 (UTC-0800): > While there were a lot of lines in the log file, not a single > one had, "dpi", in it. If you want, I can send you the output. Did you grep for it, or just eye scan? It should have appeared at least once if not more. For some drivers it's in CAPS. Sharing would likely bear fruit only if you plan to try 14.04 again. > I don't understand a fraction of what you mentioned above, but > one thing kinda puts the kibosh on some of it, is that this is > about the video, while this, and everything else in 14.04 system > settings doesn't work. __EVERYTHING__ What may have happened with 14.04 was some kind of defect in packages installation WRT the X server and/or KDE to keep the correct driver from functioning properly and/or system settings not fully functional. Updates might have fixed it, or another installation might have avoided what happened. Still, due to its age, that hardware combination probably hasn't gotten much testing as new releases have evolved. > Looks like it's new motherboard time. **Again** What do you mean by "again"? The one you have was probably made 12 or more years ago. Regardless of age, its onboard S3 video is reason enough to switch to something better. Anything newer and from Intel, AMD or NVidia should be several orders of magnitude better. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From Christo.Larsen at bytes.co.za Wed Nov 12 13:17:06 2014 From: Christo.Larsen at bytes.co.za (Christo Larsen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:17:06 +0000 Subject: Wine / Winetricks Message-ID: <54635DD0.5000406@bytes.co.za> Hi Kubuntu'ers Has anyone had success installing "mspaint" in Wine 32bit. I'm using Kubuntu 14.04 64bit. I have successfully install Office and some other apps via Winetricks, but "mspaint" does not fully install and shows "cached" under "install an app" in Winetricks. If have deleted the wineprefix for "mspaint" and deleted "paintnt.exe" under ~/.cache/winetricks/mspaint a few time to get rid of the "cached" message and retried the installation. Regards Christo Larsen From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Wed Nov 12 14:57:18 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 06:57:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: high resolutionn/tiny fonts In-Reply-To: <5461EC1F.7030703@earthlink.net> References: <545A88D3.1080107@netspace.net.au> <545CA414.7080408@earthlink.net> <545E3A73.6070607@earthlink.net> <54612D01.1090404@earthlink.net> <5461EC1F.7030703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Felix Miata wrote: > Bill Vance composed on 2014-11-11 01:26 (UTC-0800): > >> While there were a lot of lines in the log file, not a single >> one had, "dpi", in it. If you want, I can send you the output. > > Did you grep for it, or just eye scan? It should have appeared at least once > if not more. For some drivers it's in CAPS. Did both, _and_ eyeballed it. > Sharing would likely bear fruit only if you plan to try 14.04 again. > >> I don't understand a fraction of what you mentioned above, but >> one thing kinda puts the kibosh on some of it, is that this is >> about the video, while this, and everything else in 14.04 system >> settings doesn't work. __EVERYTHING__ > > What may have happened with 14.04 was some kind of defect in packages > installation WRT the X server and/or KDE to keep the correct driver from > functioning properly and/or system settings not fully functional. Updates > might have fixed it, or another installation might have avoided what > happened. Still, due to its age, that hardware combination probably hasn't > gotten much testing as new releases have evolved. > >> Looks like it's new motherboard time. **Again** > > What do you mean by "again"? The one you have was probably made 12 or more > years ago. Regardless of age, its onboard S3 video is reason enough to switch > to something better. Anything newer and from Intel, AMD or NVidia should be > several orders of magnitude better. This machine is old enough to have started out with a Pentium 3, and has been through a few incarnations since, usually to solve this, that, or the other nasty, insolvable problem. As per Finagle's comentary on Murphy's Law, "Murphy is an optimist!". Bill From sdubois at linux.com Fri Nov 14 23:18:36 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:18:36 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions Message-ID: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> In theory we should be able to start new sessions but when I attempt to do this through KDE it simply flips me back to my original session. How do I go about starting a new (full KDE) session at :1 ? -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 23:29:29 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 00:29:29 +0100 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> Message-ID: <20141115002929.7925c493@archlinux> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:18:36 -0800 Scott DuBois wrote: > In theory we should be able to start new sessions but when I attempt > to do this through KDE it simply flips me back to my original > session. How do I go about starting a new (full KDE) session at :1 ? A second session for the same user? Or a session for another user? Or as the same user running another user's settings? Depending of what you want to do, xhost could be useful, or simply finishing a session, before starting another session. From littlergirl at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 03:08:39 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:08:39 -0500 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> Message-ID: <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> Hey there, Scott DuBois wrote: > In theory we should be able to start new sessions but when I > attempt to do this through KDE it simply flips me back to my > original session. How do I go about starting a new (full KDE) > session at :1 ? I wrote a page on TTY sessions a while back that you might find useful: http://mostlylinux.wordpress.com/troubleshooting/ttysessions/ -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From mattjcliffe at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 03:48:10 2014 From: mattjcliffe at gmail.com (Matthew) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:48:10 +0000 Subject: Duel Graphics Message-ID: <5466CCFA.80202@gmail.com> Hay all, Running duel graphics cards intel and nvidia in my laptop; using bumblebee to switch etc. Just wondering can I safely update graphics drivers separately in the standard way or is there a different way im ment to approach this? Cheers Matt From sdubois at linux.com Sat Nov 15 04:17:23 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:17:23 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <20141115002929.7925c493@archlinux> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <20141115002929.7925c493@archlinux> Message-ID: <5466D3D3.5030908@linux.com> On 11/14/2014 03:29 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > A second session for the same user? Or a session for another user? Or > as the same user running another user's settings? Depending of what you > want to do, xhost could be useful, or simply finishing a session, > before starting another session. > I'm "fairly" confident _one_ user should be able to deploy multiple sessions. -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From sdubois at linux.com Sat Nov 15 04:28:26 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:28:26 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5466D66A.9040609@linux.com> On 11/14/2014 07:08 PM, Little Girl wrote: > > I wrote a page on TTY sessions a while back that you might find > useful: > > http://mostlylinux.wordpress.com/troubleshooting/ttysessions/ > Very well written! Kudos! When switching to tty1 and executing startx -- :1 vt8 gives only a blank (X) screen which then I can execute from tty1 xterm -display :1 then go back to vt8 and have a command prompt there from which I can then start other programs (in X) Kate, Dolphin, etc.. But this is far from a _full_ window manager and resources such as the KDE environment provides. I believe this function should be accomplished from the [new session] option via lock screen --> switch user but doesn't seem to be functioning properly (at least not for me). I do have an older (13.10) copy of Kubuntu running in VirtualBox and it works there; but not on my bare metal 14.04. -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From jimmckenzie at earthlink.net Sat Nov 15 13:28:21 2014 From: jimmckenzie at earthlink.net (James R McKenzie) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:28:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Has anyone else noticed the VLC update isn't bewing installed? It's being "kept back" Message-ID: <2989561.1416058102211.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdubois at linux.com Sat Nov 15 18:14:05 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:14:05 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> On 11/14/2014 07:08 PM, Little Girl wrote: > Hey there, > > Scott DuBois wrote: > >> In theory we should be able to start new sessions but when I >> attempt to do this through KDE it simply flips me back to my >> original session. How do I go about starting a new (full KDE) >> session at :1 ? Continuing from my last post: vim ~/.xinitrc exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session startkde Drop to tty1 Log in as _current_ user ~$ startx -- :1 Automagically switched to vt8 with new session (full KDE) Switch to vt7 (old KDE session still running) Can no longer use tty1 to send commands to vt8 (even when executing ~$ startx -- :1 &) Switch to tty2 Log in as _current_ user ~$ kate -display :1 Kate launches on vt8 -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From sdubois at linux.com Sat Nov 15 18:34:38 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:34:38 -0800 Subject: Users and Groups Message-ID: <54679CBE.6080706@linux.com> This is a "little" concerning. Installed GNOME Users and Groups Manager http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/05/install-users-groups-management-tool-ubuntu1404/ Create a "test" user Drop to tty1 Log in as new user Check Settings --> System Settings --> User Manager _No Other User Listed_? -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 23:00:58 2014 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 15:00:58 -0800 Subject: Users and Groups In-Reply-To: <54679CBE.6080706@linux.com> References: <54679CBE.6080706@linux.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Scott DuBois wrote: > This is a "little" concerning. > > Installed GNOME Users and Groups Manager > > http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/05/install-users-groups-management-tool-ubuntu1404/ > > Create a "test" user > > Drop to tty1 > > Log in as new user > > Check Settings --> System Settings --> User Manager > > _No Other User Listed_? I'm puzzled. Why would you install a GNOME user manager, rather than the user-manager built into Plasma, or Kuser? This seems designed to confuse the system. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From littlergirl at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 00:40:15 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 19:40:15 -0500 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5466D66A.9040609@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <5466D66A.9040609@linux.com> Message-ID: <5467f27e.2a558c0a.1342.fffffc28@mx.google.com> Hey there, Scott DuBois wrote: > > http://mostlylinux.wordpress.com/troubleshooting/ttysessions/ > Very well written! Kudos! Thanks. It was a labor of love. (: > When switching to tty1 and executing > startx -- :1 > vt8 gives only a blank (X) screen which then I can execute from tty1 > xterm -display :1 > then go back to vt8 and have a command prompt there from which I can > then start other programs (in X) Kate, Dolphin, etc.. But this is > far from a _full_ window manager and resources such as the KDE > environment provides. I believe this function should be > accomplished from the [new session] option via lock screen --> > switch user but doesn't seem to be functioning properly (at least > not for me). Odd. I have no idea why it's doing that. That TTY sessions page is mighty old (I really ought to update it!). I currently use Kubuntu 12:04 Precise Pangolin because I've been too laz... busy to upgrade it, and I'm pretty sure that's what I was using when I wrote the page. They work in my current system, but I realize it's quite different from the modern Kubuntu. I found this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/131051/how-to-kill-and-to-start-the-x-server It suggests this as a possible alternative to the startx command: xinit I haven't tried that, but it may be worth a try. It also says that in 14.04 you need this command to stop the X server: sudo service lightdm stop And to start the X server you need this command: sudo service lightdm start I should probably update the page if that's what the new command is. > I do have an older (13.10) copy of Kubuntu running in VirtualBox > and it works there; but not on my bare metal 14.04. Maybe one of the commands above will work. If not, a Google search for ubuntu startx turns up a whole lot of hits from people who are or were having trouble getting X started, so maybe one of them found a reliable way. I realize we're talking about Kubuntu, but Ubuntu searches turn up more hits. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From sdubois at linux.com Sun Nov 16 00:56:50 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:56:50 -0800 Subject: Users and Groups In-Reply-To: References: <54679CBE.6080706@linux.com> Message-ID: <5467F652.7060304@linux.com> On 11/15/2014 03:00 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > I'm puzzled. Why would you install a GNOME user manager, rather than > the user-manager built into Plasma, or Kuser? > > This seems designed to confuse the system. It's been a while since I installed it but, as I recall, there's some functionality with the groups assignments (I think) that I needed for VBox config. It's actually a pretty normal install. -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From littlergirl at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 00:57:52 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 19:57:52 -0500 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> Message-ID: <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> Hey there, Scott DuBois wrote: > On 11/14/2014 07:08 PM, Little Girl wrote: > > Scott DuBois wrote: > >> In theory we should be able to start new sessions but when I > >> attempt to do this through KDE it simply flips me back to my > >> original session. How do I go about starting a new (full KDE) > >> session at :1 ? > Continuing from my last post: > vim ~/.xinitrc It's interesting that yours is in your home directory. Mine is here: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc And these are its active contents: . /etc/X11/Xsession > exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session startkde This page might be of some use: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=149778 > Drop to tty1 > > Log in as _current_ user > > ~$ startx -- :1 > > Automagically switched to vt8 with new session (full KDE) > > Switch to vt7 (old KDE session still running) > > Can no longer use tty1 to send commands to vt8 > (even when executing ~$ startx -- :1 &) What happens? > Switch to tty2 > > Log in as _current_ user > > ~$ kate -display :1 > > Kate launches on vt8 Gremlins? I wish I could be of more help. My knowledge on this topic is limited to what you saw in that page. If you get it working smoothly, please let me know. I'll keep looking as well, and maybe some kind soul who's reading along will come shed some light on this. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From sdubois at linux.com Sun Nov 16 01:21:50 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 17:21:50 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5467f27e.2a558c0a.1342.fffffc28@mx.google.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <5466D66A.9040609@linux.com> <5467f27e.2a558c0a.1342.fffffc28@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5467FC2E.90905@linux.com> On 11/15/2014 04:40 PM, Little Girl wrote: > Odd. I have no idea why it's doing that. That TTY sessions page is > mighty old (I really ought to update it!). I currently use Kubuntu > 12:04 Precise Pangolin because I've been too laz... busy to upgrade > it, and I'm pretty sure that's what I was using when I wrote the > page. They work in my current system, but I realize it's quite > different from the modern Kubuntu. A different mailing list suggested the differences in systemd; ok. This morning, after doing updates, things changed. Starting X doesn't seem to "fly" the way it did yesterday and I changed ~/.xinitrc to: exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session startkde http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/kde/config.html This starts full KDE on vt8 (less log in) under tty1 credentials. Switch to tty2 and log in as same user then ~$ kate -display :1 will launch Kate on vt8 and so on and so forth. Comment out the above exec line from ~/.xinitrc and try: ~$ startx -- :1 and it tries then does nothing. So my guess is that some stuff got fixed in the updates. *Note: I usually just search using Ubuntu blah, blah, blah as the results are more vast and are usually relevant. -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sun Nov 16 02:45:44 2014 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:45:44 -0500 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5467FC2E.90905@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <5466D66A.9040609@linux.com> <5467f27e.2a558c0a.1342.fffffc28@mx.google.com> <5467FC2E.90905@linux.com> Message-ID: <54680FD8.9010904@earthlink.net> Scott DuBois composed on 2014-11-15 17:21 (UTC-0800): > A different mailing list suggested the differences in systemd; ok. For those who can comprehend it, http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/14268.html may do some explaining about what's going on. I got it originally from this thread: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/198923.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From sdubois at linux.com Sun Nov 16 05:45:41 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:45:41 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54683A05.6010404@linux.com> On 11/15/2014 04:57 PM, Little Girl wrote: > Gremlins? I wish I could be of more help. My knowledge on this topic > is limited to what you saw in that page. If you get it working > smoothly, please let me know. I'll keep looking as well, and maybe > some kind soul who's reading along will come shed some light on this. > (: > It's working, I suppose as it should. Was hoping someone on this list might know more about what's going on. Full thread starts here: http://lists.svlug.org/archives/svlug/2014-November/059808.html I realize that KDE is a really big DE and it takes a lot of engineering between it and Ubuntu to make the whole package work. It's got to be hard to catch every tiny detail. -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From sdubois at linux.com Sun Nov 16 05:49:38 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:49:38 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54683AF2.4000009@linux.com> On 11/15/2014 04:57 PM, Little Girl wrote: > > It's interesting that yours is in your home directory. Mine is here: > > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc > > And these are its active contents: > > . /etc/X11/Xsession > Yes, I have that file too. I created the one in home. =) -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From myriam at kubuntu.org Sun Nov 16 10:53:29 2014 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 11:53:29 +0100 Subject: Has anyone else noticed the VLC update isn't bewing installed? It's being "kept back" In-Reply-To: <2989561.1416058102211.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2989561.1416058102211.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi James, you should ask the PPA maintainer, as this is not done by us and that PPA is not an official Kubuntu PPA Regards, Myriam On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 2:28 PM, James R McKenzie wrote: > libvlc-dev libvlc5 libvlccore-dev vlc vlc-data vlc-dbg vlc-nox > vlc-plugin-fluidsynth vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse vlc-plugin-sdl > vlc-plugin-svg vlc-plugin-zvbi > > These 13 files have been "kept back" for quite a while (at least a week) and > can't be manually installed (sudo apt-get install -y libvlc-dev libvlc5 > libvlccore-dev vlc vlc-data vlc-dbg vlc-nox vlc-plugin-fluidsynth > vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse vlc-plugin-sdl vlc-plugin-svg > vlc-plugin-zvbi). Is there any estimate on when VLC 3.0 will be coming out > for full and final release in the Ubuntu based Linux family? > > BTW the version I have is 3.0.0-git Vetinari > > Here's the install script as I run it via copy/paste > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/master-daily -y && > sudo apt-get update -y && > sudo apt-get install vlc -y > > Any ideas on when the release date is? It just seems odd that the files are > out but not installable after a week or so. > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From littlergirl at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 23:37:15 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:37:15 -0500 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5467FC2E.90905@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <5466D66A.9040609@linux.com> <5467f27e.2a558c0a.1342.fffffc28@mx.google.com> <5467FC2E.90905@linux.com> Message-ID: <54693544.0a17e00a.5698.ffffe69a@mx.google.com> Hey there, Scott DuBois wrote: > A different mailing list suggested the differences in systemd; ok. > This morning, after doing updates, things changed. > Starting X doesn't seem to "fly" the way it did yesterday and I > changed ~/.xinitrc to: > exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session startkde > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/kde/config.html I'd check it out, but it doesn't fully pass a scan with URL Void: http://www.urlvoid.com/scan/linuxfromscratch.org/ > This starts full KDE on vt8 (less log in) under tty1 credentials. > Switch to tty2 and log in as same user then ~$ kate -display :1 > will launch Kate on vt8 and so on and so forth. Comment out the > above exec line from ~/.xinitrc and try: > ~$ startx -- :1 and it tries then does nothing. > So my guess is that some stuff got fixed in the updates. Does this mean, though, that it's a bug or bugs that still need(s) to get fixed? Or should I be planning on either scrapping or rewriting my page with new instructions (and if so, any idea where they might be?)? > *Note: I usually just search using Ubuntu blah, blah, blah as the > results are more vast and are usually relevant. Same. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From littlergirl at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 00:34:13 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:34:13 -0500 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <54683A05.6010404@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> <54683A05.6010404@linux.com> Message-ID: <5469428d.c388e00a.076a.3601@mx.google.com> Hey there, Scott DuBois wrote: > It's working, I suppose as it should. Was hoping someone on this > list might know more about what's going on. Full thread starts here: > http://lists.svlug.org/archives/svlug/2014-November/059808.html I took a look at that, and from what I was able to see, you did end up getting it to work with startx by changing video drivers, right? For what it's worth, we use the NVIDIA drivers straight from NVIDIA and don't use the ones in the Ubuntu repositories at all. I've bookmarked that link for future reference, though. Once I upgrade I'll be revisiting my blog page to make sure it still works, and rewriting it if it doesn't, and I suspect that I'll need that link if it doesn't, so I have some fodder for stuff to try. (: > I realize that KDE is a really big DE and it takes a lot of > engineering between it and Ubuntu to make the whole package work. > It's got to be hard to catch every tiny detail. I don't doubt it! What I wonder at is why they make so many changes so often rather than trying to get things ironed out. What ever happened to slow and steady wins the race? (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From littlergirl at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 00:39:06 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:39:06 -0500 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <54683AF2.4000009@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> <54683AF2.4000009@linux.com> Message-ID: <546943b5.31598c0a.2132.34cd@mx.google.com> Hey there, Scott DuBois wrote: > On 11/15/2014 04:57 PM, Little Girl wrote: > > > > It's interesting that yours is in your home directory. Mine is > > here: > > > > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc > > Yes, I have that file too. I created the one in home. =) Heh, I should have figured that. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From sdubois at linux.com Mon Nov 17 06:21:37 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:21:37 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <5469428d.c388e00a.076a.3601@mx.google.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> <54683A05.6010404@linux.com> <5469428d.c388e00a.076a.3601@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <546993F1.5040504@linux.com> On 11/16/2014 04:34 PM, Little Girl wrote: > I took a look at that, and from what I was able to see, you did end > up getting it to work with startx by changing video drivers, right? > For what it's worth, we use the NVIDIA drivers straight from NVIDIA > and don't use the ones in the Ubuntu repositories at all. Well, I tried that and it was not the issue at all; in fact, it made things worse so I switched back to Nouveau. The open source driver seems to work better with my old 9800GT card. I don't get the use of all the fancy NVidia "tweak" software, but it does the job. >> I realize that KDE is a really big DE and it takes a lot of >> engineering between it and Ubuntu to make the whole package work. >> It's got to be hard to catch every tiny detail. > > I don't doubt it! What I wonder at is why they make so many changes > so often rather than trying to get things ironed out. What ever > happened to slow and steady wins the race? (: Nah, it's all about "move fast and break things" now. =) I feel most Debian based distros seem to be pretty stable anyway, especially forks of Ubuntu. -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From sdubois at linux.com Mon Nov 17 06:31:09 2014 From: sdubois at linux.com (Scott DuBois) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:31:09 -0800 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <546943b5.31598c0a.2132.34cd@mx.google.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> <54683AF2.4000009@linux.com> <546943b5.31598c0a.2132.34cd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5469962D.6050307@linux.com> On 11/16/2014 04:39 PM, Little Girl wrote: >>> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc >> >> Yes, I have that file too. I created the one in home. =) > > Heh, I should have figured that. (: > Eh, I don't spend a _lot_ of time tweaking my distro around but on occasion when it's necessary or I run into something like this. When I made the first post I could just run X by itself. Then when I created ~/.xinitrc and ran ~$ startx -- :1 I get the full KDE glory started up but now can't repeat just an X session any more without going back and reconfiguring a bunch of stuff; it's not worth it. Someone suggested dropping down to Ubuntu server install and building from there which I might do "someday" but not in the near future anyway; too busy with other things. -- Scott DuBois BSIT President EBLUG Freenode: Roguehorse From littlergirl at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 01:01:47 2014 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:01:47 -0500 Subject: TTY Sessions In-Reply-To: <546993F1.5040504@linux.com> References: <54668DCC.3030406@linux.com> <5466c3cb.62628c0a.9faf.ffff8f20@mx.google.com> <546797ED.1070208@linux.com> <5467f6b0.4905e00a.7d67.fffff8b7@mx.google.com> <54683A05.6010404@linux.com> <5469428d.c388e00a.076a.3601@mx.google.com> <546993F1.5040504@linux.com> Message-ID: <546a9a8d.287c320a.2e8d.5070@mx.google.com> Hey there, Scott DuBois wrote: > On 11/16/2014 04:34 PM, Little Girl wrote: > > I took a look at that, and from what I was able to see, you did > > end up getting it to work with startx by changing video drivers, > > right? For what it's worth, we use the NVIDIA drivers straight > > from NVIDIA and don't use the ones in the Ubuntu repositories at > > all. > > Well, I tried that and it was not the issue at all; in fact, it made > things worse so I switched back to Nouveau. The open source driver > seems to work better with my old 9800GT card. I don't get the use > of all the fancy NVidia "tweak" software, but it does the job. Ah, okay. I was hoping it was the solution, because that would be easy to document. > > What I wonder at is why they make so many changes so often rather > > than trying to get things ironed out. What ever happened to slow > > and steady wins the race? (: > > Nah, it's all about "move fast and break things" now. =) I noticed. ): > I feel most Debian based distros seem to be pretty stable anyway, > especially forks of Ubuntu. I imagine so. I don't know, though, because I've been a dedicated Kubuntu user since Feisty Fawn, so I haven't messed around with the other distributions much. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From marcin at karpezo.pl Thu Nov 20 13:17:26 2014 From: marcin at karpezo.pl (MArcin Karpezo) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:17:26 +0100 Subject: KMail2 multiplying messages, messing up my inbox Message-ID: <20141120131726.GA28766@wisienka> Hi there! I've configured KMail2 to sync with my selfhosted IMAP mail account and it seemed to work just fine till it started multiplying my email! I get one message as unread and than gettin it miltiple times (like 50 and still counting, but they show up as ready to delete) till I go into offline mode... Don't know what's causing it, don't kow how to fix it. Please help -- Cheers Marcin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nils From marcin at karpezo.pl Thu Nov 20 14:43:42 2014 From: marcin at karpezo.pl (Marcin Karpezo) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:43:42 +0100 Subject: KMail2 multiplying messages, messing up my inbox In-Reply-To: <7786105.eibTlFnr1V@p5915> References: <20141120131726.GA28766@wisienka> <7786105.eibTlFnr1V@p5915> Message-ID: <1590823.36j0KJs9tx@wisienka> Dnia czwartek, 20 listopada 2014 15:37:17 Nils Kassube pisze: > MArcin Karpezo wrote: > > I've configured KMail2 to sync with my selfhosted IMAP mail account > > and it seemed to work just fine till it started multiplying my email! > > I'm not sure it will help, but can you please tell us which version of > Kmail2 and Kubuntu you're using? Kubuntu 14.10, KMail 4.14.1 on server side IMAP is provided by Dovecot with Notify extension. I'm pasting below server info provided by KMail in server settings: IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE SORT SORT=DISPLAY THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=REFS MULTIAPPEND UNSELECT IDLE CHILDREN NAMESPACE UIDPLUS LIST-EXTENDED I18NLEVEL=1 CONDSTORE QRESYNC ESEARCH ESORT SEARCHRES WITHIN CONTEXT=SEARCH LIST-STATUS -- Cheers Marcin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From marcin at karpezo.pl Thu Nov 20 18:11:00 2014 From: marcin at karpezo.pl (Marcin Karpezo) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 19:11 +0100 Subject: KMail2 multiplying messages, messing up my inbox In-Reply-To: <1590823.36j0KJs9tx@wisienka> References: <20141120131726.GA28766@wisienka> <7786105.eibTlFnr1V@p5915> <1590823.36j0KJs9tx@wisienka> Message-ID: <157401350.gTfkEiLJNM@wisienka> Dnia czwartek, 20 listopada 2014 15:43:42 Marcin Karpezo pisze: > Dnia czwartek, 20 listopada 2014 15:37:17 Nils Kassube pisze: > > MArcin Karpezo wrote: > > > I've configured KMail2 to sync with my selfhosted IMAP mail account > > > and it seemed to work just fine till it started multiplying my email! > > > > I'm not sure it will help, but can you please tell us which version of > > Kmail2 and Kubuntu you're using? > > Kubuntu 14.10, KMail 4.14.1 > > on server side IMAP is provided by Dovecot with Notify extension. > > I'm pasting below server info provided by KMail in server settings: > > IMAP4REV1 > LITERAL+ > SASL-IR > LOGIN-REFERRALS > ID > ENABLE > SORT > SORT=DISPLAY > THREAD=REFERENCES > THREAD=REFS > MULTIAPPEND > UNSELECT > IDLE > CHILDREN > NAMESPACE > UIDPLUS > LIST-EXTENDED > I18NLEVEL=1 > CONDSTORE > QRESYNC > ESEARCH > ESORT > SEARCHRES > WITHIN > CONTEXT=SEARCH > LIST-STATUS Just as a followup, looks like the problem is solved for now, but I'm still monitoring the situation. 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URL: From jimmckenzie at earthlink.net Fri Nov 21 23:49:09 2014 From: jimmckenzie at earthlink.net (James R McKenzie) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:49:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Computer Goes to sleep 10 minutes of inactivity after upgrading to kde 4.13.3, locks my compute up (Screen Energy Setting) Message-ID: <5976087.1416613749722.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If I change the setting in the Control Panel - Power Management Settings and save the changes they automatically switch back immediately. Is there an internal settings file I can alter to stop this? When the computer falls a sleep it locks up and believe it or not I have to unplug it for 30 minutes to clear it other wise during the start up process the computer just simply shuts it self off right about where it starts looking at the point it starts polling for external hard drives. If I unplug it for 30 minutes and then plug it back in and then restart it everything is fine until the screen goes to sleep again. Please someone tell if there is a setting in a file somewhere to stop this from happening? If so which file, where is it, and what setting and what do I change it to? Google was totally useless on this BTW. Any Ideas? From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 05:09:15 2014 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:09:15 -0800 Subject: no sound In-Reply-To: <546F141A.20808@tzora.co.il> References: <546F141A.20808@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Errol Sapir wrote: > Hi > I use Kubuntu 14.10 64 bit which was working fine. I started having problems > with sound. I could not increase the volume to hear loud enough, no matter > what I did or what program with sound I was using(youtube, skype, etc) the > sound was too low. > I started trying to check things. First I checked hardware. All was and is > fine because in Windows there isn't a problem. I then tried to see if > Kubuntu sound was set up correctly. To my not such knowledgeable (in sound > apps) eye the configuration seemed ok. > Then the real problem started. I lost any ability to hear anything in > Kubuntu. No sound whatsoever! As I have my "Home" on a different partition I > even formatted and reinstalled Kubuntu. Obviously the sound definitions are > on my "Home" partition because I still have no sound. > How can I solve this? > TIA > Errol Hey Errol, I've found these two links very helpful in the past: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting Mostly I've found that sound has somehow been muted somewhere. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 05:18:06 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 07:18:06 +0200 Subject: no sound In-Reply-To: References: <546F141A.20808@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <54701C8E.5070305@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 22/11/2014 07:09, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Errol Sapir > wrote: >> Hi I use Kubuntu 14.10 64 bit which was working fine. I started >> having problems with sound. I could not increase the volume to >> hear loud enough, no matter what I did or what program with >> sound I was using(youtube, skype, etc) the sound was too low. I >> started trying to check things. First I checked hardware. All was >> and is fine because in Windows there isn't a problem. I then >> tried to see if Kubuntu sound was set up correctly. To my not >> such knowledgeable (in sound apps) eye the configuration seemed >> ok. Then the real problem started. I lost any ability to hear >> anything in Kubuntu. No sound whatsoever! As I have my "Home" on >> a different partition I even formatted and reinstalled Kubuntu. >> Obviously the sound definitions are on my "Home" partition >> because I still have no sound. How can I solve this? TIA Errol > > Hey Errol, I've found these two links very helpful in the past: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting > > Mostly I've found that sound has somehow been muted somewhere. > > Valorie > You could also try install the Veromix widget that I find way better than the current state of KMix in controlling PulseAudio. It integrates nicely in the systray, you don't have to have it on the desktop once it has been installed Kind regards, Sinclair -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRwHIUACgkQdVb2AWQj/7biaQCfbWiKGnSzh+cTBHTQWtUr3u2/ mFkAn165RS42epzw63bJWa4cvIV3mqNg =k8f6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 05:18:06 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 07:18:06 +0200 Subject: no sound In-Reply-To: References: <546F141A.20808@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <54701C8E.5000303@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 22/11/2014 07:09, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: You could also try install the Veromix widget that I find way better than the current state of KMix in controlling PulseAudio. It integrates nicely in the systray, you don't have to have it on the desktop once it has been installed Kind regards, Sinclair -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRwHIEACgkQdVb2AWQj/7YTQQCfanuYlsUuKmYHS1XbOJuHIwwm iHkAoK7JJ1u9dO+AR2+GPlM1xKmdAHiZ =kkuI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clay at claydoh.com Sat Nov 22 06:47:50 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 01:47:50 -0500 Subject: Computer Goes to sleep 10 minutes of inactivity after upgrading to kde 4.13.3, locks my compute up (Screen Energy Setting) In-Reply-To: <5976087.1416613749722.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5976087.1416613749722.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5359401.Z9Kz5pXPEK@gus-latitude-d830> On Friday, November 21, 2014 06:49:09 PM James R McKenzie wrote: > If I change the setting in the Control Panel - Power Management Settings and > save the changes they automatically switch back immediately. Is there an > internal settings file I can alter to stop this? When the computer falls a > sleep it locks up and believe it or not I have to unplug it for 30 minutes > to clear it other wise during the start up process the computer just simply > shuts it self off right about where it starts looking at the point it > starts polling for external hard drives. If I unplug it for 30 minutes and > then plug it back in and then restart it everything is fine until the > screen goes to sleep again. > > Please someone tell if there is a setting in a file somewhere to stop this > from happening? If so which file, where is it, and what setting and what do > I change it to? > > Google was totally useless on this BTW. > > Any Ideas? /home//.config/powermanagementprofilesrc is the correct file, iirc As it keeps getting reverted back to its original settings, it sounds like the config file may have had it's ownership changed. One way this can happen is by running gui config tools (such as System Settings) or other graphical programs, using sudo. If you right-click on the file, and look at the permissions, ownership should be set to your user for both User and Group sections. If it is not set correctly, you can either delete the file (it will be recreated at next login), or change the ownership of it. -- Clay Weber https://kubuntuforums.net http://kubuntu.org http://claydoh.com From jimmckenzie at earthlink.net Sat Nov 22 21:01:31 2014 From: jimmckenzie at earthlink.net (James R McKenzie) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:01:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Computer Goes to sleep 10 minutes of inactivity after upgrading to kde 4.13.3, locks my compute up (Screen Energy Setting) Message-ID: <18504991.1416690092073.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 01:47:50 -0500 >From: Clay Weber >To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Subject: Re: Computer Goes to sleep 10 minutes of inactivity after > upgrading to kde 4.13.3, locks my compute up (Screen Energy Setting) >Message-ID: <5359401.Z9Kz5pXPEK at gus-latitude-d830> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >On Friday, November 21, 2014 06:49:09 PM James R McKenzie wrote: > If I change the setting in the Control Panel - Power Management Settings and > save the changes they automatically switch back immediately. Is there an > internal settings file I can alter to stop this? When the computer falls a > sleep it locks up and believe it or not I have to unplug it for 30 minutes > to clear it other wise during the start up process the computer just simply > shuts it self off right about where it starts looking at the point it > starts polling for external hard drives. If I unplug it for 30 minutes and > then plug it back in and then restart it everything is fine until the > screen goes to sleep again. > > Please someone tell if there is a setting in a file somewhere to stop this > from happening? If so which file, where is it, and what setting and what do > I change it to? > > Google was totally useless on this BTW. > > Any Ideas? >/home//.config/powermanagementprofilesrc is the correct file, iirc >As it keeps getting reverted back to its original settings, it sounds like the >config file may have had it's ownership changed. One way this can happen is >by running gui config tools (such as System Settings) or other graphical >programs, using sudo. >If you right-click on the file, and look at the permissions, ownership should >be set to your user for both User and Group sections. If it is not set >correctly, you can either delete the file (it will be recreated at next >login), or change the ownership of it. I looked and could find no such file while running "sudo dolphin" could it be somewhere else or could the setting be in another file with KDE 4.13.3? Do I need to access the file in a different way in order to see it? I love hidden Gremlins. They always seem to crop up at the darnedest times. Once again any ideas? From clay at claydoh.com Sat Nov 22 21:18:55 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:18:55 -0500 Subject: Computer Goes to sleep 10 minutes of inactivity after upgrading to kde 4.13.3, locks my compute up (Screen Energy Setting) In-Reply-To: <18504991.1416690092073.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18504991.1416690092073.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4217425.bFMIYA2lOu@gus-latitude-d830> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 04:01:31 PM James R McKenzie wrote: > >Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 01:47:50 -0500 > >From: Clay Weber > >To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > >Subject: Re: Computer Goes to sleep 10 minutes of inactivity after > > > > upgrading to kde 4.13.3, locks my compute up (Screen Energy Setting) > > > >Message-ID: <5359401.Z9Kz5pXPEK at gus-latitude-d830> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >On Friday, November 21, 2014 06:49:09 PM James R McKenzie wrote: > > If I change the setting in the Control Panel - Power Management Settings > > and save the changes they automatically switch back immediately. Is > > there an internal settings file I can alter to stop this? When the > > computer falls a sleep it locks up and believe it or not I have to > > unplug it for 30 minutes to clear it other wise during the start up > > process the computer just simply shuts it self off right about where it > > starts looking at the point it starts polling for external hard drives. > > If I unplug it for 30 minutes and then plug it back in and then restart > > it everything is fine until the screen goes to sleep again. > > > > Please someone tell if there is a setting in a file somewhere to stop > > this > > from happening? If so which file, where is it, and what setting and what > > do > > I change it to? > > > > Google was totally useless on this BTW. > > > > Any Ideas? > > > >/home//.config/powermanagementprofilesrc is the correct file, > >iirc > > > >As it keeps getting reverted back to its original settings, it sounds like > >the config file may have had it's ownership changed. One way this can > >happen is by running gui config tools (such as System Settings) or other > >graphical programs, using sudo. > > > >If you right-click on the file, and look at the permissions, ownership > >should be set to your user for both User and Group sections. If it is not > >set correctly, you can either delete the file (it will be recreated at > >next login), or change the ownership of it. > > I looked and could find no such file while running "sudo dolphin" could it ^^^^^ Running a gui program with sudo is the problem here. You need to use 'kdesudo' in place of it when necessary. The file probably lives somewhere in your ~/.kde folder instead. Fixing any ownership changes is pretty simple. The following command will go through every file in your home folder and change all files back to the correct ownerships: $ sudo chown -R . /home/ > be somewhere else or could the setting be in another file with KDE 4.13.3? > Do I need to access the file in a different way in order to see it? I love > hidden Gremlins. They always seem to crop up at the darnedest times. > > Once again any ideas? You should seldom need to open any graphical program with admin privileges, most will prompt for a password if it is necessary - System Settings is like this. Dolphin and Kate are two exceptions here. Use 'kdesduo' in place of 'sudo here. Sudo is for command-line programs . -- Clay Weber https://kubuntuforums.net http://kubuntu.org http://claydoh.com From jimmckenzie at earthlink.net Sun Nov 23 06:44:05 2014 From: jimmckenzie at earthlink.net (James R McKenzie) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:44:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: WIFI Widget (on task bar) not working after Upgrading to KDE 4..13.3 Message-ID: <13649225.1416725046022.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> This latest "upgrade" for KDE is turning into a nightmare. The WIFI widget in the task bar won't load therefore all it shows is a red square and a white X in the square. A little more upgrading and I won't be able to use the damned computer a all. Any ideas on what's up with the WIFI widget? BTW the WIFI goes to sleep after a while and I have to physically unplug the dongle then plug in back in the restart it. What the hell is going on with thus stuff!? It's literally not possible to over react to this! Any/All help will be appreciated. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 06:55:43 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 08:55:43 +0200 Subject: WIFI Widget (on task bar) not working after Upgrading to KDE 4..13.3 In-Reply-To: <13649225.1416725046022.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13649225.1416725046022.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <547184EF.4050003@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 23/11/2014 08:44, James R McKenzie wrote: > This latest "upgrade" for KDE is turning into a nightmare. > > The WIFI widget in the task bar won't load therefore all it shows > is a red square and a white X in the square. A little more > upgrading and I won't be able to use the damned computer a all. > > Any ideas on what's up with the WIFI widget? BTW the WIFI goes to > sleep after a while and I have to physically unplug the dongle then > plug in back in the restart it. What the hell is going on with thus > stuff!? It's literally not possible to over react to this! > > Any/All help will be appreciated. > Some info on the hardware involved might help others to assist. You mention a "dongle", is that a usb wifi or what? Kind regards, Sinclair -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRxhOYACgkQdVb2AWQj/7YqiACfUdi/HmO1fp3KG0QXqxgm2QS5 li8AoMfvbmkXJSu4ISlVDSAh0sNTExDS =ejl+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clay at claydoh.com Sun Nov 23 07:13:46 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 02:13:46 -0500 Subject: WIFI Widget (on task bar) not working after Upgrading to KDE 4..13.3 In-Reply-To: <13649225.1416725046022.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13649225.1416725046022.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3129022.dB8nvDaRSV@gus-latitude-d830> On Sunday, November 23, 2014 01:44:05 AM James R McKenzie wrote: > This latest "upgrade" for KDE is turning into a nightmare. > > The WIFI widget in the task bar won't load therefore all it shows is a red > square and a white X in the square. A little more upgrading and I won't be > able to use the damned computer a all. > > Any ideas on what's up with the WIFI widget? BTW the WIFI goes to sleep > after a while and I have to physically unplug the dongle then plug in back > in the restart it. What the hell is going on with thus stuff!? It's > literally not possible to over react to this! > > Any/All help will be appreciated. What version of Kubuntu are you using, and where are you getting updates from? (4.13.3 has been in the official Ubuntu Trusty Updates repos since August) Check to see that you have plasma-nm installed. Are there any packages that are being "held back" when updating? -- Clay Weber https://kubuntuforums.net http://kubuntu.org http://claydoh.com From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Sun Nov 23 11:18:49 2014 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 03:18:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Util Question Message-ID: Is there a util that will change the text and background colors in a pdf file to something more readable? Plain old black on white by preference. Bill From buzzmandt at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 13:08:27 2014 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 08:08:27 -0500 Subject: WIFI Widget (on task bar) not working after Upgrading to KDE 4..13.3 In-Reply-To: <3129022.dB8nvDaRSV@gus-latitude-d830> References: <13649225.1416725046022.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <3129022.dB8nvDaRSV@gus-latitude-d830> Message-ID: Try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade On Nov 23, 2014 2:14 AM, "Clay Weber" wrote: > On Sunday, November 23, 2014 01:44:05 AM James R McKenzie wrote: > > This latest "upgrade" for KDE is turning into a nightmare. > > > > The WIFI widget in the task bar won't load therefore all it shows is a > red > > square and a white X in the square. A little more upgrading and I won't > be > > able to use the damned computer a all. > > > > Any ideas on what's up with the WIFI widget? BTW the WIFI goes to sleep > > after a while and I have to physically unplug the dongle then plug in > back > > in the restart it. What the hell is going on with thus stuff!? It's > > literally not possible to over react to this! > > > > Any/All help will be appreciated. > What version of Kubuntu are you using, and where are you getting updates > from? > (4.13.3 has been in the official Ubuntu Trusty Updates repos since August) > Check to see that you have plasma-nm installed. > Are there any packages that are being "held back" when updating? > > -- > Clay Weber > https://kubuntuforums.net > http://kubuntu.org > http://claydoh.com > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(^r) > https://pwmt.org/projects/zathura/ > > If you can find out how it works, there might be a way to change .pdf > files permanently. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Mon Nov 24 13:56:34 2014 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas Blasejewicz) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 Subject: dependency problems Message-ID: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> Good evening I just made a new, clean install of kubuntu 14.04, set up 2 more languages and made some changes under KB layouts and input methods (for Japanese) Otherwise I did not yet "touch anything". Nevertheless, when I try to install new software through that "Muon" thing, those softwares are NOT installed. Attempts at directly installing things via terminal results in error messages saying, that a number of "dependencies" are not available so that nothing can be done ... Until yesterday, before I made some fatal error somewhere, that disabled the OS almost completely, these things WERE working (sort of). Where should I look / do something to get this thing back on track? Thank you. Thomas From kde.lists at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 14:18:05 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:18:05 +0100 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <20141124151805.3de121d4@archlinux> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > Where should I look / do something to get this thing back on track? Run cat /etc/apt/sources.list to ensure that all needed repositories are enabled. Backup your install and then run sudo -i apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade to resolve dependency issues. Don't worry, dist-upgrade isn't a release update, it's an upgrade within the release you're using, that can resolve some kinds of dependency issues. From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Mon Nov 24 14:33:16 2014 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas Blasejewicz) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:33:16 +0900 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <20141124151805.3de121d4@archlinux> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <20141124151805.3de121d4@archlinux> Message-ID: <547341AC.8050706@hb.tp1.jp> (2014/11/24 23:18), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 > Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: >> Where should I look / do something to get this thing back on track? > Run > > cat /etc/apt/sources.list > > to ensure that all needed repositories are enabled. > > Backup your install and then run > > sudo -i > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > > instead of apt-get upgrade to resolve dependency issues. Don't worry, > dist-upgrade isn't a release update, it's an upgrade within the > release you're using, that can resolve some kinds of dependency issues. > Thank you .. but that does not seem to work ...: Probably I am missing something important. (please use "plain" English, since I do not really follow the computer jargon ...) nyuwa at spirit:~$ cat /etc/apt.sources.list cat: /etc/apt.sources.list: No such file or directory nyuwa at spirit:~$ /etc/apt.sources.list bash: /etc/apt.sources.list: No such file or directory nyuwa at spirit:~$ sudo -i [sudo] password for nyuwa: root at spirit:~# apt-get update E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ root at spirit:~# From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 16:07:35 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:07:35 +0200 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <547341AC.8050706@hb.tp1.jp> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <20141124151805.3de121d4@archlinux> <547341AC.8050706@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <547357C7.8030106@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 24/11/2014 16:33, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > (2014/11/24 23:18), Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz >> wrote: >>> Where should I look / do something to get this thing back on >>> track? >> Run >> >> cat /etc/apt/sources.list >> >> to ensure that all needed repositories are enabled. >> >> Backup your install and then run >> >> sudo -i apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade >> >> instead of apt-get upgrade to resolve dependency issues. Don't >> worry, dist-upgrade isn't a release update, it's an upgrade >> within the release you're using, that can resolve some kinds of >> dependency issues. >> > Thank you .. but that does not seem to work ...: Probably I am > missing something important. (please use "plain" English, since I > do not really follow the computer jargon ...) > > > nyuwa at spirit:~$ cat /etc/apt.sources.list cat: > /etc/apt.sources.list: No such file or directory nyuwa at spirit:~$ > /etc/apt.sources.list bash: /etc/apt.sources.list: No such file or > directory nyuwa at spirit:~$ sudo -i [sudo] password for nyuwa: > root at spirit:~# apt-get update E: Could not get lock > /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily > unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ > root at spirit:~# > > it should be cat /etc/apt/sources.list not cat /etc/apt.sources.list and try sudo rm /var/lib/apt/list/lock and then do sudo -i apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade following that -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRzV70ACgkQdVb2AWQj/7a24QCgq0Bz+K0p4kT2AdUgH4+eunfj 3eYAoI/jt+gby2Pfh31S3w9jZqaLPpG/ =mX9j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 18:24:16 2014 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:24:16 -0500 Subject: Computer Goes to sleep 10 minutes of inactivity after upgrading to kde 4.13.3, locks my compute up (Screen Energy Setting) In-Reply-To: <4217425.bFMIYA2lOu@gus-latitude-d830> References: <18504991.1416690092073.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4217425.bFMIYA2lOu@gus-latitude-d830> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > You should seldom need to open any graphical program with admin privileges, > most will prompt for a password if it is necessary - System Settings is > like > this. Dolphin and Kate are two exceptions here. Use 'kdesduo' in place of > 'sudo here. Sudo is for command-line programs . > ​Another handy option (indispensable IMHO)​ is to install the Dolphin service "root actions servicemenu" from the Settings > Configure menu, thus eliminating the need to open Dolphin as root in the vast majority of user cases, as well as forgoing the need to drop to a terminal. This is especially helpful in Dolphin's split view. - J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Mon Nov 24 18:29:54 2014 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas Blasejewicz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:29:54 +0900 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <547357C7.8030106@gmail.com> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <20141124151805.3de121d4@archlinux> <547341AC.8050706@hb.tp1.jp> <547357C7.8030106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54737922.8070207@hb.tp1.jp> (2014/11/25 1:07), O. Sinclair wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 24/11/2014 16:33, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: >> (2014/11/24 23:18), Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz >>> wrote: >>>> Where should I look / do something to get this thing back on >>>> track? >>> Run >>> >>> cat /etc/apt/sources.list >>> >>> to ensure that all needed repositories are enabled. >>> >>> Backup your install and then run >>> >>> sudo -i apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade >>> >>> instead of apt-get upgrade to resolve dependency issues. Don't >>> worry, dist-upgrade isn't a release update, it's an upgrade >>> within the release you're using, that can resolve some kinds of >>> dependency issues. >>> >> Thank you .. but that does not seem to work ...: Probably I am >> missing something important. (please use "plain" English, since I >> do not really follow the computer jargon ...) >> >> >> nyuwa at spirit:~$ cat /etc/apt.sources.list cat: >> /etc/apt.sources.list: No such file or directory nyuwa at spirit:~$ >> /etc/apt.sources.list bash: /etc/apt.sources.list: No such file or >> directory nyuwa at spirit:~$ sudo -i [sudo] password for nyuwa: >> root at spirit:~# apt-get update E: Could not get lock >> /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily >> unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ >> root at spirit:~# >> >> > it should be cat /etc/apt/sources.list not > cat /etc/apt.sources.list > and try > sudo rm /var/lib/apt/list/lock and then do > sudo -i > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > > following that > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iEYEARECAAYFAlRzV70ACgkQdVb2AWQj/7a24QCgq0Bz+K0p4kT2AdUgH4+eunfj > 3eYAoI/jt+gby2Pfh31S3w9jZqaLPpG/ > =mX9j > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > Thank you. I am afraid, there is still something wrong: Below I also copy the output of the source list, which also seems strange to me, since I cannot remember having added the last entry "cloudme.com" after THIS new installation ...) root at spirit:~# sudo rm /var/lib/apt/list/lock rm: cannot remove ‘/var/lib/apt/list/lock’: No such file or directory root at spirit:~# sudo -i root at spirit:~# apt-get update E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ root at spirit:~# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. root at spirit:~# source list: root at spirit:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 14.04.1 LTS _Trusty Tahr_ - Release amd64 (20140722.2)]/ trusty main multiverse restricted universe # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty main restricted deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty main restricted ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-updates main restricted deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-updates main restricted ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty universe deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty universe deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-updates universe deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-updates universe ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty multiverse deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty multiverse deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-updates multiverse deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-updates multiverse ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-backports main restricted universe multiverse deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-backports main restricted universe multiverse deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-security main restricted deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-security main restricted deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-security universe deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-security universe deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-security multiverse deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-security multiverse ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users. # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu trusty partner # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu trusty partner ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by third-party ## developers who want to ship their latest software. deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main deb http://repos.cloudme.com/ ./ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 19:04:31 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:04:31 +0100 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <54737922.8070207@hb.tp1.jp> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <20141124151805.3de121d4@archlinux> <547341AC.8050706@hb.tp1.jp> <547357C7.8030106@gmail.com> <54737922.8070207@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <20141124200431.249629cf@archlinux> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:29:54 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > root at spirit:~# sudo rm /var/lib/apt/list/lock > rm: cannot remove ‘/var/lib/apt/list/lock’: No such file or directory > root at spirit:~# sudo -i > root at spirit:~# apt-get update > E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource > temporarily unavailable) > E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ "This just means that there is an application using apt. First try to find out which application it is by using this command in the terminal ps aux | grep apt | grep -v 'grep' If there is a process running using apt (like apt-get or aptitude), the best thing to do is just to let it finish what its doing. Otherwise you can kill it using kill . After making sure there is no process or killing it, you can just remove the lock using sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock" - http://askubuntu.com/questions/335794/could-not-get-lock-var-lib-apt-lists-lock > deb http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-backports main > restricted universe multiverse > deb-src http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/ubuntu/ trusty-backports > main restricted universe multiverse Perhaps backports could cause dependency issues. Backports provide software versions, that are newer than the official versions of your *buntu release. Only enable backports, if you really need a package from backports and after that disable backports. Care about any dependencies that were upgraded from backports. From o.sinclair at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 03:32:53 2014 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 05:32:53 +0200 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <54737922.8070207@hb.tp1.jp> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <20141124151805.3de121d4@archlinux> <547341AC.8050706@hb.tp1.jp> <547357C7.8030106@gmail.com> <54737922.8070207@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <5473F865.1010602@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 24/11/2014 20:29, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > (2014/11/25 1:07), O. Sinclair wrote: On 24/11/2014 16:33, Thomas > Blasejewicz wrote: >>>> (2014/11/24 23:18), Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Where should I look / do something to get this thing back >>>>>> on track? >>>>> Run >>>>> >>>>> cat /etc/apt/sources.list >>>>> >>>>> to ensure that all needed repositories are enabled. >>>>> >>>>> Backup your install and then run >>>>> >>>>> sudo -i apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade >>>>> >>>>> instead of apt-get upgrade to resolve dependency issues. >>>>> Don't worry, dist-upgrade isn't a release update, it's an >>>>> upgrade within the release you're using, that can resolve >>>>> some kinds of dependency issues. >>>>> >>>> Thank you .. but that does not seem to work ...: Probably I >>>> am missing something important. (please use "plain" English, >>>> since I do not really follow the computer jargon ...) >>>> >>>> >>>> nyuwa at spirit:~$ cat /etc/apt.sources.list cat: >>>> /etc/apt.sources.list: No such file or directory >>>> nyuwa at spirit:~$ /etc/apt.sources.list bash: >>>> /etc/apt.sources.list: No such file or directory >>>> nyuwa at spirit:~$ sudo -i [sudo] password for nyuwa: >>>> root at spirit:~# apt-get update E: Could not get lock >>>> /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily >>>> unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ >>>> root at spirit:~# sorry type from me, it should be: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock sudo -i apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlRz+FkACgkQdVb2AWQj/7Yy3wCg/GzmqBSpc4JLmNoWBtH/Lks9 ThsAoKNobXSl0PwGR3HuSzyRayE75ryP =w/Bs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Wed Nov 26 00:45:36 2014 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas Blasejewicz) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:45:36 +0900 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <5473F865.1010602@gmail.com> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <20141124151805.3de121d4@archlinux> <547341AC.8050706@hb.tp1.jp> <547357C7.8030106@gmail.com> <54737922.8070207@hb.tp1.jp> <5473F865.1010602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <547522B0.6000308@hb.tp1.jp> (2014/11/25 12:32), O. Sinclair wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 24/11/2014 20:29, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: >> (2014/11/25 1:07), O. Sinclair wrote: On 24/11/2014 16:33, Thomas >> Blasejewicz wrote: >>>>> (2014/11/24 23:18), Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Where should I look / do something to get this thing back >>>>>>> on track? > sorry type from me, it should be: > sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock > sudo -i > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade THANK YOU! That apparently fixed a lot of things. I executed the commands you gave, got no error messages, and following the "upgrade" command the comuter got busy for something like 15 minutes. After that it asked for a reboot. Now things seem to be "back to normal". * I am NOT a computer geek and usually do NOT understand all that computer mumble-jumble associated with those "sudo" things. May I ask, what exactly I have doing here? That knowledge could come in handy in the future ... Thank you. Thomas From clay at claydoh.com Wed Nov 26 01:25:37 2014 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:25:37 -0500 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <547522B0.6000308@hb.tp1.jp> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <5473F865.1010602@gmail.com> <547522B0.6000308@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <18405913.XmP7yaHGVI@gus-latitude-d830> On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 09:45:36 AM Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > (2014/11/25 12:32), O. Sinclair wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 24/11/2014 20:29, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > >> (2014/11/25 1:07), O. Sinclair wrote: On 24/11/2014 16:33, Thomas > >> > >> Blasejewicz wrote: > >>>>> (2014/11/24 23:18), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz > >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Where should I look / do something to get this thing back > >>>>>>> on track? > > > > sorry type from me, it should be: > > sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock > > sudo -i > > apt-get update > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > THANK YOU! > That apparently fixed a lot of things. > I executed the commands you gave, > got no error messages, and > following the "upgrade" command the comuter got busy for something like > 15 minutes. > After that it asked for a reboot. > > Now things seem to be "back to normal". > > * I am NOT a computer geek and usually do NOT understand all that > computer mumble-jumble associated with those "sudo" things. > May I ask, what exactly I have doing here? > That knowledge could come in handy in the future ... > > Thank you. > Thomas When a package manager is performing it's duties, there is what is called a "lock file", the presence of which tells it to not allow more than one instance running at the same time - it would be not fun if two or more users were trying to install/uninstall/update all at the same time. This lock file is normally removed when the tasks are complete, but it is possible for it to be left behind due to a crash, power loss, or similar thing. The commands you used did three things: (skipping the sudo -i part for simplicity's sake) >>$sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock This is saying "As Admin, remove the file '/var/lib/apt/lists/lock'" sudo is used here as the file in question is a system file, and requires admin privileges, and 'sudo' elevates you temporarily to have those permissions. >> $ sudo apt-get update This is refreshing the list of available packages >> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade This downloads and installs your updates. The last two steps are basically command line versions of what Muon Updater does. -- Clay Weber https://kubuntuforums.net http://kubuntu.org http://claydoh.com From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 05:43:52 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:43:52 +0100 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <18405913.XmP7yaHGVI@gus-latitude-d830> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <5473F865.1010602@gmail.com> <547522B0.6000308@hb.tp1.jp> <18405913.XmP7yaHGVI@gus-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <20141126064352.754a31c8@archlinux> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:25:37 -0500 Clay Weber wrote: > On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 09:45:36 AM Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > > (2014/11/25 12:32), O. Sinclair wrote: > > > On 24/11/2014 20:29, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > > >> (2014/11/25 1:07), O. Sinclair wrote: On 24/11/2014 16:33, > > >> Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > > >>>>> (2014/11/24 23:18), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > >>>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:56:34 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz > > > sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock > > > sudo -i > > > apt-get update > > > apt-get dist-upgrade Some actions can't be performed by a user, because administrator, aka root, aka superuser privileges are needed to do it. On default *buntu installs a user can get those privileges by running sudo [command], e.g. sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade instead of running sudo all the times, you can run sudo -s or as I did sudo -i followed by the commands without sudo, IOW rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade when finished push Ctrl+D to exit root privileges. Run man sudo for more informations. You should learn how to read and understand man pages. > When a package manager is performing it's duties, there is what is > called a "lock file", the presence of which tells it to not allow > more than one instance running at the same time - it would be not fun > if two or more users were trying to install/uninstall/update all at > the same time. > > This lock file is normally removed when the tasks are complete, but > it is possible for it to be left behind due to a crash, power loss, > or similar thing. Correct. > >> rm Run man rm man rmdir and sometimes it's better not to remove, but to move, so consider to read man mv too > >> $ sudo apt-get update > This is refreshing the list of available packages Correct. Run man apt-get > >> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > This downloads and installs your updates. > The last two steps are basically command line versions of what Muon > Updater does. Important is the difference between upgrade and dist upgrade. I don't know Muon, I use(d) Synaptic. For Synaptic the user can chose between upgrade and dist-upgrade. I don't know, but I suspect that it's possible for Muon too. "upgrade Used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated in /etc/apt/sources.list(5). Packages currently installed with new versions available are retrieved and upgraded; under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, nor are packages that are not already installed retrieved and installed. New versions of currently installed packages that cannot be upgraded without changing the install status of another package will be left at their current version. An update must be performed first so that apt-get knows that new versions of packages are available. dist-upgrade In addition to performing the function of upgrade, this option also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones, if necessary." - http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get Consider to read about backports, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports . IMO you shouldn't have backports enabled, or at least use pinning. I didn't read the Wiki completely, but I notice that running "gksu gedit", IOW running gedit with root privileges is mentioned. Never ever do this, it could cause issues, the user's dconf permissions or some other important file(s) could change to root privileges and software that runs as user, then has got no access to it. Install and use nano or sublime text to get easy to use editors, that don't cause this issue. Regards, Ralf From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 05:53:41 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:53:41 +0100 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <20141126064352.754a31c8@archlinux> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <5473F865.1010602@gmail.com> <547522B0.6000308@hb.tp1.jp> <18405913.XmP7yaHGVI@gus-latitude-d830> <20141126064352.754a31c8@archlinux> Message-ID: <20141126065341.320bc643@archlinux> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:43:52 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I didn't read the Wiki completely, but I notice that running "gksu > gedit", IOW running gedit with root privileges is mentioned. Never > ever do this, it could cause issues, the user's dconf permissions or > some other important file(s) could change to root privileges and > software that runs as user, then has got no access to it. Install and > use nano or sublime text to get easy to use editors, that don't cause > this issue. Perhaps I'm mistaken. I remember that there were issues with file permissions, perhaps not dconf, perhaps dconf, at least I couldn't notice an issue yet. Maybe this behaviour changed. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl .config/dconf/user -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 36K Nov 26 06:04 .config/dconf/user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ gksudo gedit [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl .config/dconf/user -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 36K Nov 26 06:04 .config/dconf/user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl .config/dconf/ total 36K -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 36K Nov 26 06:04 user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo gedit [sudo] password for rocketmouse: [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl .config/dconf/ total 36K -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 36K Nov 26 06:04 user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl .config/dconf/user -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 36K Nov 26 06:04 .config/dconf/user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /tmp/ total 4.0K drwx------ 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 60 Nov 26 06:03 claws-mail-1000 drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 .font-unix drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 .ICE-unix drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 40 Nov 26 06:44 qupzilla-rocketmouse drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 .Test-unix -r--r--r-- 1 root root 11 Nov 26 06:01 .X0-lock drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 60 Nov 26 06:01 .X11-unix drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 .XIM-unix drwxr-xr-x 3 rocketmouse rocketmouse 60 Nov 26 06:18 yaourt-tmp-rocketmouse [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /run/ total 20K srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Nov 26 06:00 acpid.socket drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Nov 26 06:00 dbus prw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 26 06:00 dmeventd-client prw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 26 06:00 dmeventd-server drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 fsck drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 httpd drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Nov 26 2014 initramfs drwx--x--x 6 lightdm lightdm 140 Nov 26 06:01 lightdm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Nov 26 06:00 lightdm.pid drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 lirc drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 120 Nov 26 06:00 lock drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 log drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Nov 26 06:00 lvm drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Nov 26 2014 mount drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql mysql 40 Nov 26 06:00 mysqld drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 nscd -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Nov 26 06:01 ppp0.pid -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.0K Nov 26 06:00 pppd2.tdb drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 samba drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 saslauthd drwx--x--x 3 root root 60 Nov 26 06:03 sudo drwx------ 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:00 svnserve drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 380 Nov 26 06:01 systemd drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Nov 26 2014 tmpfiles.d drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 160 Nov 26 06:01 udev drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 80 Nov 26 06:01 user -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 1.5K Nov 26 06:48 utmp drwxr-xr-x 2 uuidd uuidd 40 Nov 26 06:00 uuidd [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /run/user/ total 0 drwx------ 5 rocketmouse rocketmouse 100 Nov 26 06:03 1000 drwx------ 4 lightdm lightdm 80 Nov 26 06:01 620 [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /run/user/1000 total 0 drwx------ 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 60 Nov 26 06:04 dconf drwx------ 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 40 Nov 26 06:01 pulse drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 80 Nov 26 06:01 systemd [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /run/user/1000/dconf/ total 4.0K -rw------- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 2 Nov 26 06:04 user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ From kde.lists at yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 06:00:02 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:00:02 +0100 Subject: dependency problems In-Reply-To: <20141126065341.320bc643@archlinux> References: <54733912.5030305@hb.tp1.jp> <5473F865.1010602@gmail.com> <547522B0.6000308@hb.tp1.jp> <18405913.XmP7yaHGVI@gus-latitude-d830> <20141126064352.754a31c8@archlinux> <20141126065341.320bc643@archlinux> Message-ID: <20141126070002.7e458bca@archlinux> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:53:41 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:43:52 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I didn't read the Wiki completely, but I notice that running "gksu > > gedit", IOW running gedit with root privileges is mentioned. Never > > ever do this, it could cause issues, the user's dconf permissions or > > some other important file(s) could change to root privileges and > > software that runs as user, then has got no access to it. Install > > and use nano or sublime text to get easy to use editors, that don't > > cause this issue. > > Perhaps I'm mistaken. I remember that there were issues with file > permissions, perhaps not dconf, perhaps dconf, at least I couldn't > notice an issue yet. Maybe this behaviour changed. > [snip] If su is enabled, then still something could happen. The permissions of a pulse directory changed. JFTR pulse isn't installed on my system :D. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ su -c gedit Password: (gedit:12301): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed (gedit:12301): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed (gedit:12301): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl .config/dconf/user -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 36K Nov 26 06:04 .config/dconf/user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl .config/dconf/ total 36K -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 36K Nov 26 06:04 user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /run/user/1000/dconf/ total 4.0K -rw------- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 2 Nov 26 06:55 user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /run/user/1000/ total 0 drwx------ 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 60 Nov 26 06:04 dconf drwx------ 2 root root 40 Nov 26 06:01 pulse drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 80 Nov 26 06:01 systemd From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Thu Nov 27 09:44:29 2014 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas Blasejewicz) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:44:29 +0900 Subject: use Win key for shortcuts Message-ID: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> Good evening Before I had to reinstall Kubuntu, I DID use the "Win" (apparently also called "Meta", or "Super") key for shortcuts. Like Win + T = open a terminal After I reinstalled and fixed the recent "dependency problems" this does not work any more. Pressing Win + any key, opens a little window at the top of the screen saying "System Activity". That is wonderful, but I would like to use that Win key for a number of shortcuts. (which DID work before) Is there a trick to get that functionality back? Thank you. Thomas From myriam at kubuntu.org Thu Nov 27 10:01:49 2014 From: myriam at kubuntu.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:01:49 +0100 Subject: use Win key for shortcuts In-Reply-To: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> References: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: Hi Thomas, On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > Good evening > Before I had to reinstall Kubuntu, I DID use the "Win" (apparently also > called "Meta", or "Super") key for shortcuts. > Like Win + T = open a terminal > > After I reinstalled and fixed the recent "dependency problems" > this does not work any more. > Pressing Win + any key, opens a little window at the top of the screen > saying "System Activity". > That is wonderful, but I would like to use that Win key for a number of > shortcuts. (which DID work before) > > Is there a trick to get that functionality back? have a look in System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard settings -> The Advanced Tab Best regards, Myriam -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Thu Nov 27 10:36:29 2014 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas Blasejewicz) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:36:29 +0900 Subject: use Win key for shortcuts In-Reply-To: References: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <5476FEAD.20905@hb.tp1.jp> (2014/11/27 19:01), Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: >> Good evening >> Before I had to reinstall Kubuntu, I DID use the "Win" (apparently also >> called "Meta", or "Super") key for shortcuts. >> Like Win + T = open a terminal >> >> After I reinstalled and fixed the recent "dependency problems" >> this does not work any more. >> Pressing Win + any key, opens a little window at the top of the screen >> saying "System Activity". >> That is wonderful, but I would like to use that Win key for a number of >> shortcuts. (which DID work before) >> >> Is there a trick to get that functionality back? > > have a look in System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard settings > -> The Advanced Tab > > Best regards, > Myriam > Thank you, but that does not seem to work. I "mapped the meta key to the Win key" - which does not change anything. I also tried to mark the left Win key as a "compose key". What exactly should I be looking for? Thomas From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 11:53:51 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 12:53:51 +0100 Subject: use Win key for shortcuts In-Reply-To: <5476FEAD.20905@hb.tp1.jp> References: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> <5476FEAD.20905@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <1417089231.20148.5.camel@yahoo.com> On Thu, 2014-11-27 at 19:36 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > (2014/11/27 19:01), Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > have a look in System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard settings > > -> The Advanced Tab > that does not seem to work. > I "mapped the meta key to the Win key" - which does not change anything. > I also tried to mark the left Win key as a "compose key". > > What exactly should I be looking for? If an action is mapped to the Windows key without combined with an additional key, then combinations with other keys are likely ignored. IOW only use "Windows-key + One-or-more-other-key" combinations, remove or change any shortcut that does use the "Windows-key" only. AFAIK the single key vs key combinations is a general Linux issue, it at least was an issue. From mattjcliffe at gmail.com Thu Nov 27 12:56:40 2014 From: mattjcliffe at gmail.com (Matthew J Cliffe) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 12:56:40 +0000 Subject: use Win key for shortcuts In-Reply-To: <5476FEAD.20905@hb.tp1.jp> References: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> <5476FEAD.20905@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <1417093000.7819.7.camel@matthew-IdeaPad-U430-Touch> Dont understand what you mean you mapped the meta to the win key; they are the same thing. What you need to do from where Myriam told you to go is to map the key binds to specific tasks. For instance map meta+t to open terminal, map meta+t to minimize all windows .etc etc On Thu, 2014-11-27 at 19:36 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > (2014/11/27 19:01), Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > >> Good evening > >> Before I had to reinstall Kubuntu, I DID use the "Win" (apparently also > >> called "Meta", or "Super") key for shortcuts. > >> Like Win + T = open a terminal > >> > >> After I reinstalled and fixed the recent "dependency problems" > >> this does not work any more. > >> Pressing Win + any key, opens a little window at the top of the screen > >> saying "System Activity". > >> That is wonderful, but I would like to use that Win key for a number of > >> shortcuts. (which DID work before) > >> > >> Is there a trick to get that functionality back? > > > > have a look in System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard settings > > -> The Advanced Tab > > > > Best regards, > > Myriam > > > Thank you, > but that does not seem to work. > I "mapped the meta key to the Win key" - which does not change anything. > I also tried to mark the left Win key as a "compose key". > > What exactly should I be looking for? > Thomas > From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 13:47:07 2014 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:47:07 +0100 Subject: use Win key for shortcuts In-Reply-To: <1417093000.7819.7.camel@matthew-IdeaPad-U430-Touch> References: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> <5476FEAD.20905@hb.tp1.jp> <1417093000.7819.7.camel@matthew-IdeaPad-U430-Touch> Message-ID: <20141127144707.6914b843@archlinux> On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 12:56:40 +0000 Matthew J Cliffe wrote: > What you need to do from where Myriam told you to go is to map the key > binds to specific tasks. > > For instance map meta+t to open terminal, > map meta+t to minimize all windows .etc etc IIUC the OP did that, but in the first mail the OP wrote "Pressing Win + any key, opens a little window at the top of the screen saying "System Activity"", that's why I suspect that the Windows-key alone, without combination with another key, is used to execute this. It is (or at least was) a known issue that if a single key is used as a shortcut, combinations with this key and other keys are ignored. That's why I suspect the OP needs to make this Windows-key shortcut a combination of keys too. From theuteck at gmail.com Fri Nov 28 01:49:19 2014 From: theuteck at gmail.com (theuteck at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:49:19 -0600 Subject: use Win key for shortcuts In-Reply-To: <1417093000.7819.7.camel@matthew-IdeaPad-U430-Touch> References: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> <5476FEAD.20905@hb.tp1.jp> <1417093000.7819.7.camel@matthew-IdeaPad-U430-Touch> Message-ID: <4383384.Ty42nrCc9m@allmine> On Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:56:40 PM Matthew J Cliffe wrote: > Dont understand what you mean you mapped the meta to the win key; they > are the same thing. > > What you need to do from where Myriam told you to go is to map the key > binds to specific tasks. > > For instance map meta+t to open terminal, > map meta+t to minimize all windows .etc etc > > On Thu, 2014-11-27 at 19:36 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > > (2014/11/27 19:01), Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > > >> Good evening > > >> Before I had to reinstall Kubuntu, I DID use the "Win" (apparently also > > >> called "Meta", or "Super") key for shortcuts. > > >> Like Win + T = open a terminal > > >> > > >> After I reinstalled and fixed the recent "dependency problems" > > >> this does not work any more. > > >> Pressing Win + any key, opens a little window at the top of the screen > > >> saying "System Activity". > > >> That is wonderful, but I would like to use that Win key for a number of > > >> shortcuts. (which DID work before) > > >> > > >> Is there a trick to get that functionality back? > > > > > > have a look in System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard settings > > > -> The Advanced Tab > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Myriam > > > > Thank you, > > but that does not seem to work. > > I "mapped the meta key to the Win key" - which does not change anything. > > I also tried to mark the left Win key as a "compose key". > > > > What exactly should I be looking for? > > Thomas To set up a keyboard shortcut is in System Settings-> Shortcuts and Gestures - > Custom Shortcuts. Then select Edit from the bottom and then New -> Global Shortcut -> Command/URL. Use your key combo in the Trigger section, and then set the command to be run from the Action tab. Don't forget to save/apply the changes. From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Fri Nov 28 09:54:51 2014 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas Blasejewicz) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:54:51 +0900 Subject: use Win key for shortcuts In-Reply-To: <1417093000.7819.7.camel@matthew-IdeaPad-U430-Touch> References: <5476F27D.4040500@hb.tp1.jp> <5476FEAD.20905@hb.tp1.jp> <1417093000.7819.7.camel@matthew-IdeaPad-U430-Touch> Message-ID: <5478466B.4030203@hb.tp1.jp> (2014/11/27 21:56), Matthew J Cliffe wrote: > Dont understand what you mean you mapped the meta to the win key; they > are the same thing. > > What you need to do from where Myriam told you to go is to map the key > binds to specific tasks. > > For instance map meta+t to open terminal, > map meta+t to minimize all windows .etc etc > > On Thu, 2014-11-27 at 19:36 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: >> (2014/11/27 19:01), Myriam Schweingruber wrote: >>> Hi Thomas, >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: >>>> Good evening >>>> Before I had to reinstall Kubuntu, I DID use the "Win" (apparently also >>>> called "Meta", or "Super") key for shortcuts. >>>> Like Win + T = open a terminal >>>> >>>> After I reinstalled and fixed the recent "dependency problems" >>>> this does not work any more. >>>> Pressing Win + any key, opens a little window at the top of the screen >>>> saying "System Activity". >>>> That is wonderful, but I would like to use that Win key for a number of >>>> shortcuts. (which DID work before) >>>> >>>> Is there a trick to get that functionality back? >>> have a look in System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard settings >>> -> The Advanced Tab >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Myriam >>> >> Thank you, >> but that does not seem to work. >> I "mapped the meta key to the Win key" - which does not change anything. >> I also tried to mark the left Win key as a "compose key". >> >> What exactly should I be looking for? >> Thomas >> > > After a lot of trial and error I finally managed to get this to work; I mean mostly. Thank you for your help. (I am afraid, I will have a lot more rather stupid questions ...) Thomas From shadowm at lyonlabs.org Fri Nov 28 15:03:18 2014 From: shadowm at lyonlabs.org (Glenn Holmer) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:03:18 -0600 Subject: KDE Plasma 5 question Message-ID: <54788EB6.2070100@lyonlabs.org> I've got the Plasma 5 version of Kubuntu on my test machine and am putting it through its paces as time permits. Where is the setting for date and time format? I want the region set to en_US, but with 24-hour time and yyyy-Mmm-dd date format. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."