From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 09:49:03 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 04:49:03 -0500 Subject: dashboard ? Message-ID: Howdy Volcans & Kubuntu-es, What the hack is dashboard, why do I need it for AND what can I use it for ? Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Jun 4 13:11:12 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 08:11:12 -0500 Subject: dashboard ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55704E70.4090106@swbell.net> I think some one had a nightmare one night and decided it was a good idea. *<]:oD First thing I do when I install is click the close and it goes away. Reboots doesn't seem to bring it back so I can't believe it's an important part of the system. But, then I don't like a lot of junk on the desktop. I put the most important things on a Quick Launch and the rest is on the Launcher menu. On 06/04/2015 04:49 AM, Joshua Robinson wrote: > > Howdy Volcans & Kubuntu-es, > > > What the hack is dashboard, why do I need it for AND what can I use it > for ? > > > Cheers, > -Joshua Robinson > "Live long and prosper" > > -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 14:52:50 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 09:52:50 -0500 Subject: dashboard ? In-Reply-To: <55704E70.4090106@swbell.net> References: <55704E70.4090106@swbell.net> Message-ID: I think someone tried to smoke a Kucumber and pushed it hard into the Nose, result lake of oxygen or scratched the brain or Both. Cheers, -Joshua.Robinson "Live long and prosper" On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I think some one had a nightmare one night and decided it was a good idea. > *<]:oD > > > First thing I do when I install is click the close and it goes away. > Reboots doesn't seem to bring it back so I can't believe it's an important > part of the system. But, then I don't like a lot of junk on the desktop. I > put the most important things on a Quick Launch and the rest is on the > Launcher menu. > > On 06/04/2015 04:49 AM, Joshua Robinson wrote: > >> >> Howdy Volcans & Kubuntu-es, >> >> >> What the hack is dashboard, why do I need it for AND what can I use it >> for ? >> >> >> Cheers, >> -Joshua Robinson >> "Live long and prosper" >> >> >> > > -- > A cat is a puzzle with no solution. > > Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. > > When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You may have to unlock widgets first, from the same menu. -- Clay Weber From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 19:18:54 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 14:18:54 -0500 Subject: restoring panel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Clay, Thanks, worked. me -> [?] --- back to research...yeehhhhh you -> [?][?][?][?][?]... Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper", A nice vulcan. On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > > > On June 4, 2015 2:37:23 PM EDT, Joshua Robinson > wrote: > >Howdy Kubuntus & Vulcans, > > > >Installed Kubuntu 14.x updated to 15.04 worked fine. > >Mistakenly removed the panel. > > > >How to restore it back ? > > > >*tried:* > >1. logged out of KDE into konsole, command line. > >2. removed .kde > >3. logged back to KDE. > >-- no panel. > > > >Cheers, > >-Joshua Robinson > >"Live long and prosper" - a nice vulcan > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Most KDE configurations and data have moved to the standard ~/.local and > ~/.config though some kde4 applications still use ~/.kde. Note that other > things use these folders, so nuking them wipes out non-kde things too. > > That being said, to add a panel you should simply just have to right-click > on the desktop to find the option for that. 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Charbonneau) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:43:29 -0400 Subject: window behaver ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18146656.9P2cT1KXVZ@eden> Yes, that is default behavior. You can move it to the left/right or 4 corners to tile windows too. You can change this in System Settings -> Desktop Behavior -> Screen Edges On June 4, 2015 02:34:31 PM Joshua Robinson wrote: > Howdy, > > My window behave a little wired - never had it before - when moving and > touching upper limit & the cursor moves out of the screen, the window > become maximized, is that normal ? how do I disable this ? > > Cheers, > -Joshua Robinson > "Live long and prosper" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 19:44:57 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 14:44:57 -0500 Subject: window behaver ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Problem solved. Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Joshua Robinson wrote: > > Howdy, > > My window behave a little wired - never had it before - when moving and > touching upper limit & the cursor moves out of the screen, the window > become maximized, is that normal ? how do I disable this ? > > Cheers, > -Joshua Robinson > "Live long and prosper" > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 20:46:06 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 15:46:06 -0500 Subject: connect to Android Message-ID: Howdy, Is there an easy way to connect an Android to Kubuntu 15.04 ? Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From etriaph at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 20:54:07 2015 From: etriaph at gmail.com (R.P. Charbonneau) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 16:54:07 -0400 Subject: connect to Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15251239.vtCqmozxGN@eden> https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect[1] On June 4, 2015 03:46:06 PM Joshua Robinson wrote: > Howdy, > > Is there an easy way to connect an Android to Kubuntu 15.04 ? > > Cheers, > -Joshua Robinson > "Live long and prosper" -------- [1] https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balta at profesdeciencies.net Thu Jun 4 22:22:35 2015 From: balta at profesdeciencies.net (Baltasar) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2015 00:22:35 +0200 Subject: connect to Android In-Reply-To: <15251239.vtCqmozxGN@eden> References: <15251239.vtCqmozxGN@eden> Message-ID: KDE Connect +1 On 4 de juny de 2015 22.54.07 CEST, "R.P. Charbonneau" wrote: >https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect[1] > > >On June 4, 2015 03:46:06 PM Joshua Robinson wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> Is there an easy way to connect an Android to Kubuntu 15.04 ? >> >> Cheers, >> -Joshua Robinson >> "Live long and prosper" > > >-------- >[1] https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-- >kubuntu-users mailing list >kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Www.kdeblog.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 23:12:34 2015 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 16:12:34 -0700 Subject: dashboard ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Joshua Robinson wrote: > > Howdy Volcans & Kubuntu-es, > > > What the hack is dashboard, why do I need it for AND what can I use it for > ? > > > Cheers, > -Joshua Robinson > "Live long and prosper" > Hi Joshua, I've never seen a "dashboard" as such in Kubuntu. Perhaps you are referring to the panel? If so, I use the panel (icons-only) in Plasma5/Kubuntu 15.04 to store my most-used applications. Yes, I could just use the launcher menu, and/or Krunner, but I like just clicking on Konversation, Chrome and whatever text file I'm working on when I'm ready to start my work day. Some like it displaying on top of their screen, or to one side or the other, but I prefer the bottom of the screen. I also have some widgets there I often use. But everyone should use the tools they enjoy, to do the jobs they want to do. So use one, or not, and put it where-ever you like, and put whatever you like on it. 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Ark has no problem unzipping them though. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Mon Jun 8 09:22:22 2015 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 18:22:22 +0900 Subject: install a tz.gz file Message-ID: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> Good evening I am trying to install "KompoZer" on kubuntu (also on xubuntu / Mint) but cannot make it work. Could anybody please instruct me how to "install" (somewhere on the net is says, these files are not "installed) the software? Kubuntu 14.014, 64-bit * downloaded most recent package (kompozer-08b3 en-US) * unpacked the file and now have a folder named "kompozer" * according to the "instructions" I found on the net, I am supposed to: use the command |cd| to navigate to the correct folder. If there is a README file with installation instructions, use that instead. -> There is/are not such file(s) 1. |./configure| 2. |make| 3. |sudo make install| -> WHERE am I supposed to do that? It does neither work IN the "kompozer" folder nor from the home folder. When I try: sudo apt-get install kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz I get the message, there is no such package. Under Windows I install the same program by clicking on the downloaded file and wait for the installation to end. That is user friendly. Is there no way under Linux to accomplish the same task at least A LITTLE BIT more easily? (right now I have been toiling for hours and am not getting anywhere ...) Thank you Thomas From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jun 8 09:53:14 2015 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 05:53:14 -0400 Subject: install a tz.gz file In-Reply-To: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> References: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <5575660A.20104@cfl.rr.com> On 06/08/2015 05:22 AM, Thomas wrote: > Good evening > I am trying to install "KompoZer" on kubuntu (also on xubuntu / Mint) > but cannot make it work. > Could anybody please instruct me how to "install" (somewhere on the net > is says, these files are not "installed) the software? > > Kubuntu 14.014, 64-bit > * downloaded most recent package (kompozer-08b3 en-US) > * unpacked the file and now have a folder named "kompozer" > * according to the "instructions" I found on the net, I am supposed to: > use the command |cd| to navigate to the correct folder. If there is a > README file with installation instructions, use that instead. > -> There is/are not such file(s) > > 1. > > |./configure| > > 2. |make| > 3. |sudo make install| > > -> WHERE am I supposed to do that? It does neither work IN the > "kompozer" folder nor from the home folder. > > When I try: > sudo apt-get install kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz > I recommend that you uncompress the file"Kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz" to a directory using ARK or some file decompressor for ".tar.gz" Enter that directory and whatever directory the Kompozer files are located in and start from there. You may need to read the README file that is normally included. Since this is a compressed file, you cannot "./configure" or "make" it as is. You MUST decompress it first. > I get the message, there is no such package. > > Under Windows I install the same program by clicking on the downloaded > file and wait for the installation to end. > That is user friendly. > > Is there no way under Linux to accomplish the same task at least A > LITTLE BIT more easily? > (right now I have been toiling for hours and am not getting anywhere ...) > > Thank you > Thomas > -- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .- Edmund Burke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But before if you are on ubuntu you should test if you have all library to compile composer : so write at command line sudo apt-get build-dep komposer and enter (if it's in ubuntu package) all dependancies will install then in komposer directory do ./configure --prefix=/usr (on ubuntu) it will install it for you to be able to run it. then make and third sudo make install If you are fed up with this programm you can clean it and clear, delete it properly with sudo make uninstall I means you use komposer sources. Otherwise on ubuntu /kubuntu sudo apt-get install komposer (if it' s in repository !) Le 08/06/2015 11:53, Charles T. Bell a écrit : > > On 06/08/2015 05:22 AM, Thomas wrote: >> Good evening >> I am trying to install "KompoZer" on kubuntu (also on xubuntu / Mint) >> but cannot make it work. >> Could anybody please instruct me how to "install" (somewhere on the net >> is says, these files are not "installed) the software? >> >> Kubuntu 14.014, 64-bit >> * downloaded most recent package (kompozer-08b3 en-US) >> * unpacked the file and now have a folder named "kompozer" >> * according to the "instructions" I found on the net, I am supposed to: >> use the command |cd| to navigate to the correct folder. If there is a >> README file with installation instructions, use that instead. >> -> There is/are not such file(s) >> >> 1. >> >> |./configure| >> >> 2. |make| >> 3. |sudo make install| >> >> -> WHERE am I supposed to do that? It does neither work IN the >> "kompozer" folder nor from the home folder. >> >> When I try: >> sudo apt-get install kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz >> > I recommend that you uncompress the > file"Kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz" to a directory using ARK > or some file decompressor for ".tar.gz" > Enter that directory and whatever directory the Kompozer files are > located in and start from there. You may need to read the README file > that is normally included. > Since this is a compressed file, you cannot "./configure" or "make" it > as is. You MUST decompress it first. > >> I get the message, there is no such package. >> >> Under Windows I install the same program by clicking on the downloaded >> file and wait for the installation to end. >> That is user friendly. >> >> Is there no way under Linux to accomplish the same task at least A >> LITTLE BIT more easily? >> (right now I have been toiling for hours and am not getting anywhere ...) >> >> Thank you >> Thomas >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girardhenri at free.fr Mon Jun 8 10:36:51 2015 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:36:51 +0200 Subject: install a tz.gz file In-Reply-To: <55756E9B.5000307@free.fr> References: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> <5575660A.20104@cfl.rr.com> <55756E9B.5000307@free.fr> Message-ID: <55757043.4030603@free.fr> Still better : From https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallKompozer wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kompozer-data_0.8%7Eb3.dfsg.1-0.1ubuntu2_all.deb wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kompozer_0.8%7Eb3.dfsg.1-0.1ubuntu2_amd64.deb sudo dpkg -i kompozer-data_0.8~b3.dfsg.1-0.1ubuntu2_all.deb sudo dpkg -i kompozer_0.8~b3.dfsg.1-0.1ubuntu2_amd64.deb Le 08/06/2015 12:29, Girard Henri a écrit : > It seems you are trying to build (compile) komposer ? > As Charles said discompress it. After you will have a repertory with > few files like configure, in a console (bash sh shell) you go to > komposer directory where the the configure file is... > But before if you are on ubuntu you should test if you have all > library to compile composer : > so write at command line > sudo apt-get build-dep komposer and enter (if it's in ubuntu package) > all dependancies will install > then in komposer directory do ./configure --prefix=/usr (on ubuntu) it > will install it for you to be able to run it. > then make > and third > sudo make install > If you are fed up with this programm you can clean it and clear, > delete it properly with > sudo make uninstall > I means you use komposer sources. > Otherwise on ubuntu /kubuntu > sudo apt-get install komposer (if it' s in repository !) > > Le 08/06/2015 11:53, Charles T. Bell a écrit : >> On 06/08/2015 05:22 AM, Thomas wrote: >>> Good evening >>> I am trying to install "KompoZer" on kubuntu (also on xubuntu / Mint) >>> but cannot make it work. >>> Could anybody please instruct me how to "install" (somewhere on the net >>> is says, these files are not "installed) the software? >>> >>> Kubuntu 14.014, 64-bit >>> * downloaded most recent package (kompozer-08b3 en-US) >>> * unpacked the file and now have a folder named "kompozer" >>> * according to the "instructions" I found on the net, I am supposed to: >>> use the command |cd| to navigate to the correct folder. If there is a >>> README file with installation instructions, use that instead. >>> -> There is/are not such file(s) >>> >>> 1. >>> >>> |./configure| >>> >>> 2. |make| >>> 3. |sudo make install| >>> >>> -> WHERE am I supposed to do that? It does neither work IN the >>> "kompozer" folder nor from the home folder. >>> >>> When I try: >>> sudo apt-get install kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz >>> >> I recommend that you uncompress the >> file"Kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz" to a directory using ARK >> or some file decompressor for ".tar.gz" >> Enter that directory and whatever directory the Kompozer files are >> located in and start from there. You may need to read the README file >> that is normally included. >> Since this is a compressed file, you cannot "./configure" or "make" it >> as is. You MUST decompress it first. >> >>> I get the message, there is no such package. >>> >>> Under Windows I install the same program by clicking on the downloaded >>> file and wait for the installation to end. >>> That is user friendly. >>> >>> Is there no way under Linux to accomplish the same task at least A >>> LITTLE BIT more easily? >>> (right now I have been toiling for hours and am not getting anywhere ...) >>> >>> Thank you >>> Thomas >>> >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jun 8 12:58:34 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:58:34 -0500 Subject: install a tz.gz file In-Reply-To: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> References: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <5575917A.2040505@swbell.net> On 06/08/2015 04:22 AM, Thomas wrote: > Good evening > I am trying to install "KompoZer" on kubuntu (also on xubuntu / Mint) > but cannot make it work. > Could anybody please instruct me how to "install" (somewhere on the > net is says, these files are not "installed) the software? Open Dolphin. Right click on the window. Go down to "Actions". Click "Open Terminal Here" in the resulting pop-out box. Good luck from there. I've never been able to install like that. It just never works for me. Maybe you'll have better luck than I have. OR Find a "deb" file like the one at http://www.kompozer.net/download-07.php [ I don't know if that's the latest and greatest or not ] OR Install Bluefish.That's the one I use but it's text mode only. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jun 8 13:02:34 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 08:02:34 -0500 Subject: install a tz.gz file In-Reply-To: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> References: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <5575926A.2080808@swbell.net> Ooops! Found a newer version here https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/kompozer-data/download On 06/08/2015 04:22 AM, Thomas wrote: > Good evening > I am trying to install "KompoZer" on kubuntu (also on xubuntu / Mint) > but cannot make it work. > Could anybody please instruct me how to "install" (somewhere on the > net is says, these files are not "installed) the software? > > Kubuntu 14.014, 64-bit > * downloaded most recent package (kompozer-08b3 en-US) > * unpacked the file and now have a folder named "kompozer" > * according to the "instructions" I found on the net, I am supposed to: > use the command |cd| to navigate to the correct folder. If there is a > README file with installation instructions, use that instead. > -> There is/are not such file(s) > > 1. > > |./configure| > > 2. |make| > 3. |sudo make install| > > -> WHERE am I supposed to do that? It does neither work IN the > "kompozer" folder nor from the home folder. > > When I try: > sudo apt-get install kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz > > I get the message, there is no such package. > > Under Windows I install the same program by clicking on the downloaded > file and wait for the installation to end. > That is user friendly. > > Is there no way under Linux to accomplish the same task at least A > LITTLE BIT more easily? > (right now I have been toiling for hours and am not getting anywhere ...) > > Thank you > Thomas > -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Mon Jun 8 17:51:10 2015 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:51:10 -0400 Subject: install a tz.gz file In-Reply-To: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> References: <55755ECE.6000102@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <1986040.3D5AO9kGtX@kirk> What you are trying to do is compile the source. It must be uncompressed first. Komposer is OK but I'm not sure if it's even actively developed anymore. I've been using Aptana Studio 3 lately and find it a much better solution. [1] Alan [1] http://www.aptana.com/products/studio3/download.html On Monday, June 08, 2015 6:22:22 PM Thomas wrote: > Good evening > I am trying to install "KompoZer" on kubuntu (also on xubuntu / Mint) > but cannot make it work. > Could anybody please instruct me how to "install" (somewhere on the net > is says, these files are not "installed) the software? > > Kubuntu 14.014, 64-bit > * downloaded most recent package (kompozer-08b3 en-US) > * unpacked the file and now have a folder named "kompozer" > * according to the "instructions" I found on the net, I am supposed to: > use the command |cd| to navigate to the correct folder. If there is a > README file with installation instructions, use that instead. > -> There is/are not such file(s) > > 1. > > |./configure| > > 2. |make| > 3. |sudo make install| > > -> WHERE am I supposed to do that? It does neither work IN the > "kompozer" folder nor from the home folder. > > When I try: > sudo apt-get install kompozer-0.8b3.en-US.gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz > > I get the message, there is no such package. > > Under Windows I install the same program by clicking on the downloaded > file and wait for the installation to end. > That is user friendly. > > Is there no way under Linux to accomplish the same task at least A > LITTLE BIT more easily? > (right now I have been toiling for hours and am not getting anywhere ...) > > Thank you > Thomas > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The main reason why I didnt install Kubuntu with Plasma 5.2, were because the bugs I had. From clay at claydoh.com Tue Jun 9 02:56:29 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 22:56:29 -0400 Subject: Org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 fails when using Mini 15.04 + Kubuntu Backports for Plasma 5.3 In-Reply-To: <20150609023444.5869649.67229.77@gmail.com> References: <20150609023444.5869649.67229.77@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15419594.Uu5pyDLD1K@lark-latitude-d830> On Monday, June 08, 2015 09:34:44 PM Hernán Ramírez wrote: > Hi all, i have tried a Minimal 15.04 installation( Just the base system) on > VirtualBox, i later rebooted and did the updates in order to ‎install > directly Plasma 5.3 vía Backports. > > After adding the Kubuntu Backports repository, i installed Kubuntu-Desktop, > that was when the problems began, such as: > > "Error getting autorithy: Error initializing autorithy: Error calling > StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: Timeout was reached > (g-io-error-quark,2 4)" > > Failed to execute operation: The time for connection has expired". > > > It displays‎ many other erros, but that was the most frecuent. The main > reason why I didnt install Kubuntu with Plasma 5.2, were because the bugs I > had. Probably this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/1447654 which does have a way to work around the issue for those doing a minimal (netinstall) -- Clay Weber From h2222080 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 17:21:34 2015 From: h2222080 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?q?Hern=C3=A1n_Ram=C3=ADrez?=) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:21:34 -0500 Subject: Org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 fails when using Mini 15.04 + Kubuntu Backports for Plasma 5.3 In-Reply-To: <15419594.Uu5pyDLD1K@lark-latitude-d830> References: <20150609023444.5869649.67229.77@gmail.com> <15419594.Uu5pyDLD1K@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <20150610172134.27160693.56137.186@gmail.com> ‎Hi again, thank you so much. I first installed Policykit-1, updated the repositories and i was later able to finally install Plasma 5.3. Hernán   Mensaje original   De: Clay Weber Enviado: lunes, 8 de junio de 2015 09:57 p.m. Para: Kubuntu user technical support Responder a: Kubuntu user technical support Asunto: Re: Org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 fails when using Mini 15.04 + Kubuntu Backports for Plasma 5.3 On Monday, June 08, 2015 09:34:44 PM Hernán Ramírez wrote: > Hi all, i have tried a Minimal 15.04 installation( Just the base system) on > VirtualBox, i later rebooted and did the updates in order to ‎install > directly Plasma 5.3 vía Backports. > > After adding the Kubuntu Backports repository, i installed Kubuntu-Desktop, > that was when the problems began, such as: > > "Error getting autorithy: Error initializing autorithy: Error calling > StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: Timeout was reached > (g-io-error-quark,2 4)" > > Failed to execute operation: The time for connection has expired". > > > It displays‎ many other erros, but that was the most frecuent. The main > reason why I didnt install Kubuntu with Plasma 5.2, were because the bugs I > had. Probably this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/1447654 which does have a way to work around the issue for those doing a minimal (netinstall) -- Clay Weber -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From rjlapham at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 04:40:00 2015 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 00:40 -0400 Subject: New HP 500-223w desktop Message-ID: <1558097.vfzcqcgd9Y@jerry-hp> I just bought a new HP 500-223w desktop with Windows 8.1 installed. It has 8 MB of memory and a 1 TB hard disk. I want to shrink the Windows partition and add several Kubuntu partitions. The 1 TB disk is partitioned: free 1MB dev/sda1 ntfs 1072MB 390MB used dev/sda1 efi 377MB 45MB used dev/sda3 134MB unk dev/sda4 ntfs 988329MB 25345MB used dev/sda5 ntfs 10282MB 9024MB used free 8MB I plan to take advantage of the free Windows 10 upgrade. I'd like to shrink the Windows partition and add several reasonable sized linux partitions and a large DATA partition. On my old system I've been cloning a partition and then upgrading the clone. That way I can go back easily if the upgrade isn't satisfactory. The DATA partition is available from all the versions. How does the UEFI disk and efi partition affect things. Can I still use GRUB1 or do I have to go to GRUB2? Any thoughts would be appreciated. -Jerry ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= When sign painters strike, do they carry blank signs? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill From clay at claydoh.com Thu Jun 11 20:25:22 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:25:22 -0400 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6028462.ZbxNFj8JfU@lark-latitude-d830> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: > Howdy; > > Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for > both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated > as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile > and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say > that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. > > Anybody know what the story is here? > > Bill We might need a more specific example of what you are seeing, but yes amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the particular package being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the wrong arch, then it thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. -- Clay Weber From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Thu Jun 11 21:14:44 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: <6028462.ZbxNFj8JfU@lark-latitude-d830> References: <6028462.ZbxNFj8JfU@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: Thanks Clay, That explains a lot. Bill On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: >> Howdy; >> >> Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for >> both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated >> as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile >> and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say >> that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. >> >> Anybody know what the story is here? >> >> Bill > > We might need a more specific example of what you are seeing, but yes > amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the particular package > being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the wrong arch, then it > thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. > -- > Clay Weber > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From etriaph at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 21:34:35 2015 From: etriaph at gmail.com (R.P. Charbonneau) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:34:35 -0400 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <6028462.ZbxNFj8JfU@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <6209962.x4bWqd3vOA@eden> Which version of Kubuntu are you running Bill? I installed gdebi to see if the issue persisted in my install and it seems I can run it without issue. On June 11, 2015 02:14:44 PM Bill Vance wrote: > > Thanks Clay, That explains a lot. > > Bill > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: > >> Howdy; > >> > >> Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for > >> both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated > >> as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile > >> and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say > >> that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. > >> > >> Anybody know what the story is here? > >> > >> Bill > > > > We might need a more specific example of what you are seeing, but yes > > amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the particular package > > being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the wrong arch, then it > > thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Thu Jun 11 22:29:45 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: <6209962.x4bWqd3vOA@eden> References: <6028462.ZbxNFj8JfU@lark-latitude-d830> <6209962.x4bWqd3vOA@eden> Message-ID: The version is 12.04.5, with 64 bit quad processors. Bill On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, R.P. Charbonneau wrote: > > Which version of Kubuntu are you running Bill? I installed gdebi > to see if the issue persisted in my install and it seems I can > run it without issue. > >   > > On June 11, 2015 02:14:44 PM Bill Vance wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Clay, That explains a lot. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: > > > >> Howdy; > > > >> > > > >> Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for > > > >> both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated > > > >> as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile > > > >> and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say > > > >> that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. > > > >> > > > >> Anybody know what the story is here? > > > >> > > > >> Bill > > > > > > > > We might need a more specific example of what you are > seeing, but yes > > > > amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the > particular package > > > > being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the > wrong arch, then it > > > > thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Thu Jun 11 22:45:55 2015 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 18:45:55 -0400 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <6028462.ZbxNFj8JfU@lark-latitude-d830> <6209962.x4bWqd3vOA@eden> Message-ID: <557A0FA3.40702@cfl.rr.com> On 06/11/2015 06:29 PM, Bill Vance wrote: > > > > The version is 12.04.5, with 64 bit quad processors. > > Bill > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, R.P. Charbonneau wrote: > >> >> Which version of Kubuntu are you running Bill? I installed gdebi >> to see if the issue persisted in my install and it seems I can >> run it without issue. >> >> >> >> On June 11, 2015 02:14:44 PM Bill Vance wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Thanks Clay, That explains a lot. >> >> > >> >> > Bill >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: >> >> > >> Howdy; >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for >> >> > >> both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated >> >> > >> as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile >> >> > >> and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say >> >> > >> that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Anybody know what the story is here? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Bill >> >> > > >> >> > > We might need a more specific example of what you are >> seeing, but yes >> >> > > amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the >> particular package >> >> > > being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the >> wrong arch, then it >> >> > > thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > gedebi is in the repos, why download it unless you want a more current version than is in the repos? apt-cache search gdebi gdebi-core - simple tool to install deb files gdebi - simple tool to install deb files - GNOME GUI gdebi-kde - simple tool to install deb files - KDE GUI Tom -- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .- Edmund Burke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cbell44.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 149 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clay at claydoh.com Thu Jun 11 22:49:21 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 18:49:21 -0400 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: <557A0FA3.40702@cfl.rr.com> References: <557A0FA3.40702@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 06:45:55 PM Charles T. Bell wrote: > On 06/11/2015 06:29 PM, Bill Vance wrote: > > The version is 12.04.5, with 64 bit quad processors. > > > > Bill > > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, R.P. Charbonneau wrote: > >> Which version of Kubuntu are you running Bill? I installed gdebi > >> to see if the issue persisted in my install and it seems I can > >> run it without issue. > >> > >> On June 11, 2015 02:14:44 PM Bill Vance wrote: > >> > Thanks Clay, That explains a lot. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bill > >> > > >> > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: > >> > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: > >> > >> Howdy; > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for > >> > >> > >> > >> both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated > >> > >> > >> > >> as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile > >> > >> > >> > >> and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say > >> > >> > >> > >> that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Anybody know what the story is here? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Bill > >> > > > >> > > We might need a more specific example of what you are > >> > >> seeing, but yes > >> > >> > > amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the > >> > >> particular package > >> > >> > > being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the > >> > >> wrong arch, then it > >> > >> > > thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. > > gedebi is in the repos, why download it unless you want a more current > version than is in the repos? > apt-cache search gdebi > gdebi-core - simple tool to install deb files > gdebi - simple tool to install deb files - GNOME GUI > gdebi-kde - simple tool to install deb files - KDE GUI > > > Tom I am gathering that he is using gdebi to install a downloaded (and likely a third-party) deb file, and he is getting the error there. -- Clay Weber From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jun 12 02:58:22 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 19:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> References: <557A0FA3.40702@cfl.rr.com> <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 06:45:55 PM Charles T. Bell wrote: >> On 06/11/2015 06:29 PM, Bill Vance wrote: >>> The version is 12.04.5, with 64 bit quad processors. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, R.P. Charbonneau wrote: >>>> Which version of Kubuntu are you running Bill? I installed gdebi >>>> to see if the issue persisted in my install and it seems I can >>>> run it without issue. >>>> >>>> On June 11, 2015 02:14:44 PM Bill Vance wrote: >>>>> Thanks Clay, That explains a lot. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: >>>>>>> Howdy; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for >>>>>>> >>>>>>> both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say >>>>>>> >>>>>>> that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anybody know what the story is here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> We might need a more specific example of what you are >>>> >>>> seeing, but yes >>>> >>>>>> amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the >>>> >>>> particular package >>>> >>>>>> being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the >>>> >>>> wrong arch, then it >>>> >>>>>> thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. >> >> gedebi is in the repos, why download it unless you want a more current >> version than is in the repos? >> apt-cache search gdebi >> gdebi-core - simple tool to install deb files >> gdebi - simple tool to install deb files - GNOME GUI >> gdebi-kde - simple tool to install deb files - KDE GUI >> >> >> Tom > I am gathering that he is using gdebi to install a downloaded (and likely a > third-party) deb file, and he is getting the error there. That is correct. It is the 64 bit version of scam. It's part of scad, and does CNC machining simulation, so you can check tool paths, feeds and speeds, all that CAM stuff, before it gets fed to the actual machine(s). Gdebi handles the 32 bit version just fine, but, "pitches a fit", over the 64 bit. Bill From clay at claydoh.com Fri Jun 12 03:17:06 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 23:17:06 -0400 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 07:58:22 PM Bill Vance wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 06:45:55 PM Charles T. Bell wrote: > >> On 06/11/2015 06:29 PM, Bill Vance wrote: > >>> The version is 12.04.5, with 64 bit quad processors. > >>> > >>> Bill > >>> > >>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, R.P. Charbonneau wrote: > >>>> Which version of Kubuntu are you running Bill? I installed gdebi > >>>> to see if the issue persisted in my install and it seems I can > >>>> run it without issue. > >>>> > >>>> On June 11, 2015 02:14:44 PM Bill Vance wrote: > >>>>> Thanks Clay, That explains a lot. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Bill > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: > >>>>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: > >>>>>>> Howdy; > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Anybody know what the story is here? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bill > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We might need a more specific example of what you are > >>>> > >>>> seeing, but yes > >>>> > >>>>>> amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the > >>>> > >>>> particular package > >>>> > >>>>>> being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the > >>>> > >>>> wrong arch, then it > >>>> > >>>>>> thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. > >> > >> gedebi is in the repos, why download it unless you want a more current > >> version than is in the repos? > >> apt-cache search gdebi > >> gdebi-core - simple tool to install deb files > >> gdebi - simple tool to install deb files - GNOME GUI > >> gdebi-kde - simple tool to install deb files - KDE GUI > >> > >> > >> Tom > > > > I am gathering that he is using gdebi to install a downloaded (and likely > > a > > third-party) deb file, and he is getting the error there. > > That is correct. It is the 64 bit version of scam. It's part > of scad, and does CNC machining simulation, so you can check > tool paths, feeds and speeds, all that CAM stuff, before it > gets fed to the actual machine(s). Gdebi handles the 32 bit > version just fine, but, "pitches a fit", over the 64 bit. > > Bill Very odd! What does doing it in a terminal show? ie: $ sudo dpkg -i name-of-package.deb -- Clay Weber From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jun 12 05:02:11 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 07:58:22 PM Bill Vance wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: >>> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 06:45:55 PM Charles T. Bell wrote: >>>> On 06/11/2015 06:29 PM, Bill Vance wrote: >>>>> The version is 12.04.5, with 64 bit quad processors. >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, R.P. Charbonneau wrote: >>>>>> Which version of Kubuntu are you running Bill? I installed gdebi >>>>>> to see if the issue persisted in my install and it seems I can >>>>>> run it without issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> On June 11, 2015 02:14:44 PM Bill Vance wrote: >>>>>>> Thanks Clay, That explains a lot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Clay Weber wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:26:18 PM Bill Vance wrote: >>>>>>>>> Howdy; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since I upgraded to a 64 bit system, I've noted stuff for >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> both 64 bit, and amd64, and on some sites they are treated >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> as if they are identical, and indeed, they seem to compile >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and work ok. Then there are things like gdebi that say >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> that amd64 is the wrong architecture, and exit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anybody know what the story is here? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We might need a more specific example of what you are >>>>>> >>>>>> seeing, but yes >>>>>> >>>>>>>> amd64=x86_64=64 bit. Perhaps gdebi is being wonky, or the >>>>>> >>>>>> particular package >>>>>> >>>>>>>> being installed is. if it is complaining that amd64 is the >>>>>> >>>>>> wrong arch, then it >>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinks you have a non-64 bit system for some reason. >>>> >>>> gedebi is in the repos, why download it unless you want a more current >>>> version than is in the repos? >>>> apt-cache search gdebi >>>> gdebi-core - simple tool to install deb files >>>> gdebi - simple tool to install deb files - GNOME GUI >>>> gdebi-kde - simple tool to install deb files - KDE GUI >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom >>> >>> I am gathering that he is using gdebi to install a downloaded (and likely >>> a >>> third-party) deb file, and he is getting the error there. >> >> That is correct. It is the 64 bit version of scam. It's part >> of scad, and does CNC machining simulation, so you can check >> tool paths, feeds and speeds, all that CAM stuff, before it >> gets fed to the actual machine(s). Gdebi handles the 32 bit >> version just fine, but, "pitches a fit", over the 64 bit. >> >> Bill > > Very odd! > What does doing it in a terminal show? > ie: > $ sudo dpkg -i name-of-package.deb dpkg -i openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb dpkg: error processing openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb (--install): package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) Errors were encountered while processing: openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb And gdebi responds thusly: gdebi openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Building data structures... Done This package is uninstallable Wrong architecture 'amd64' Weird, just freaking weird. Bill From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 05:27:57 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:27:57 +0200 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <20150612072757.55ee70bd@archlinux> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >dpkg: error processing openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb (--install): > package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) What's the output of uname -m ? You might have a 64 bit architecture hardware, but you likely have a 32 bit install. From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jun 12 05:35:04 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: A newly discovered bit of strangeness: I checked, "/proc/cpuinfo", and instead of telling me I have a quad processor, it tells me I have processors 0-7, i.e., _eight_ of them. At this point, I _really_ have no idea whats going on here. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 05:44:34 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:44:34 +0200 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <20150612074434.44ddc29e@archlinux> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >I checked, "/proc/cpuinfo", and instead of telling me I have a quad >processor, it tells me I have processors 0-7, i.e., >_eight_ of them. At this point, I _really_ have no idea >whats going on here. You should provide more information. We can't help you based on your guessing. What's the output of grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a ? From user49b at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 06:13:22 2015 From: user49b at gmail.com (user49b) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:13:22 +0200 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <557A7882.1070707@gmail.com> Hi Bill What quad processor do you have? Linux will also see all the “core”'s in you processor. So 8 or more is very possible. Christo > > A newly discovered bit of strangeness: I checked, > "/proc/cpuinfo", and instead of telling me I have a quad > processor, it tells me I have processors 0-7, i.e., > _eight_ of them. At this point, I _really_ have no idea > whats going on here. > From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jun 12 06:18:05 2015 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 02:18:05 -0400 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: <20150612072757.55ee70bd@archlinux> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612072757.55ee70bd@archlinux> Message-ID: <557A799D.8000701@cfl.rr.com> On 06/12/2015 01:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >> dpkg: error processing openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb (--install): >> package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) > > What's the output of > > uname -m > > ? You might have a 64 bit architecture hardware, but you likely have a > 32 bit install. > What do you get with: dpkg -i --force-architecture name-of-package.deb That is how I install some i386 packages on my AMD64 and they run fine. Tom -- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .- Edmund Burke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We can't help you based on your > guessing. > > What's the output of > grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a > ? > > How about the following? sudo lshw | egrep -nA 10 cpu That should tell you something about the cpu. Tom -- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .- Edmund Burke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Why assume I can read your mind over the internet? > What's the output of > grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a > ? grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz Linux xpresso 3.2.0-85-generic-pae #122-Ubuntu SMP Tue May 26 16:33:15 UTC 2015 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jun 12 06:31:14 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 23:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: <20150612072757.55ee70bd@archlinux> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612072757.55ee70bd@archlinux> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >> dpkg: error processing openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb (--install): >> package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) > > What's the output of > > uname -m > > ? You might have a 64 bit architecture hardware, but you likely have a > 32 bit install. i686 From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 06:43:08 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:43:08 +0200 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612072757.55ee70bd@archlinux> Message-ID: <557A7F7C.2040305@gmail.com> On 12/06/2015 08:31, Bill Vance wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >>> dpkg: error processing openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb (--install): >>> package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) >> >> What's the output of >> >> uname -m >> >> ? You might have a 64 bit architecture hardware, but you likely have a >> 32 bit install. > > > i686 > > my output from that is: x86_64 From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jun 12 07:11:21 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 00:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <557A7B2A.4000006@cfl.rr.com> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612074434.44ddc29e@archlinux> <557A7B2A.4000006@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Charles T. Bell wrote: > On 06/12/2015 01:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >>> I checked, "/proc/cpuinfo", and instead of telling me I have a quad >>> processor, it tells me I have processors 0-7, i.e., >>> _eight_ of them. At this point, I _really_ have no idea >>> whats going on here. >> >> You should provide more information. We can't help you based on your >> guessing. >> >> What's the output of >> grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a >> ? >> >> > > How about the following? > sudo lshw | egrep -nA 10 cpu > > That should tell you something about the cpu. > > Tom Yeah, 403 lines worth. From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jun 12 07:16:19 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 00:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <557A7882.1070707@gmail.com> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <557A7882.1070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, user49b wrote: > Hi Bill > > What quad processor do you have? > Linux will also see all the “core”'s in you processor. So 8 or > more is very possible. > > Christ Intel Core i7 From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 07:37:53 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:37:53 +0200 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612072757.55ee70bd@archlinux> Message-ID: <557A8C51.7080403@gmail.com> On 12/06/2015 08:31, Bill Vance wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >>> dpkg: error processing openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb (--install): >>> package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) >> >> What's the output of >> >> uname -m >> >> ? You might have a 64 bit architecture hardware, but you likely have a >> 32 bit install. > > > i686 > > OK I am on 14.10 but as I said I get x86-64. Did you possibly somehow try to upgrade from 32 to 64-bit without total reinstall? Because as far as I know that is not possible. You have to reinstall from scratch. The only other thing I can think of is PAE kernel and then you should use the 32-bit version. all the best, Sinclair From user49b at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 07:54:58 2015 From: user49b at gmail.com (user49b) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:54:58 +0200 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <557A7882.1070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <557A9052.5050700@gmail.com> Hi Bill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_processor So according to ARK "http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz" - your CPU has 4 Cores and 8 Threads. "uname -a" pics up all. This will be similar info than what you are seeing in "/proc/cpuinfo". Christo > > > On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, user49b wrote: > >> Hi Bill >> >> What quad processor do you have? >> Linux will also see all the “core”'s in you processor. So 8 or more >> is very possible. >> >> Christ > > Intel Core i7 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 08:30:04 2015 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 01:30:04 -0700 Subject: Download Question In-Reply-To: <557A8C51.7080403@gmail.com> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612072757.55ee70bd@archlinux> <557A8C51.7080403@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:37 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > On 12/06/2015 08:31, Bill Vance wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >>>> dpkg: error processing openscam_0.2.5_amd64.deb (--install): >>>> package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) >>> >>> What's the output of >>> >>> uname -m >>> >>> ? You might have a 64 bit architecture hardware, but you likely have a >>> 32 bit install. >> >> >> i686 >> >> > OK I am on 14.10 but as I said I get x86-64. Did you possibly somehow > try to upgrade from 32 to 64-bit without total reinstall? Because as far > as I know that is not possible. You have to reinstall from scratch. > > The only other thing I can think of is PAE kernel and then you should > use the 32-bit version. > > all the best, > Sinclair I'm on 15.04 and I get the same output from uname -m: i686. So I don't think that output indicates a problem for Bill. Valorie From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 08:35:32 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:35:32 +0200 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612074434.44ddc29e@archlinux> Message-ID: <20150612103532.3da0b09a@archlinux> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 23:25:59 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a >model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz >model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz >model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz >model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz >model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz >model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz >model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz >model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz The i7 family comes with CPUs providing a different count of cores. Perhaps or maybe not ls -hAl /sys/devices/system/cpu/ shows the real count of cores. I guess you don't need to worry about that. If I were you I would do some web research. >Linux xpresso 3.2.0-85-generic-pae #122-Ubuntu SMP Tue May 26 16:33:15 >UTC 2015 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux That's the culprit, that cause that you can't install 64 bit architecture packages. You're running a 32 bit architecture kernel. On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 02:18:05 -0400, Charles T. Bell wrote: >What do you get with: >dpkg -i --force-architecture name-of-package.deb It's possible to run a 32 bit architecture kernel on a 64 bit architecture hardware. It's possible to run 32 bit software with a 64 bit kernel. It's impossible to run a 64 bit kernel on 32 bit hardware. It's impossible to run 64 bit software with a 32 bit kernel. The upshot is, the OP has got a 32 bit install, that's ok on 64 bit hardware, but the OP can't install the 64 bit software, so the OP needs to download and install a 32 bit version of the software. Some software isn't available for 32 bit architecture. Openscam seems to be available for 32 bit, resp. could be build from source for 32 bit architecture, assumed the provided package shouldn't run on the OP's release of Kubuntu. http://openscam.com/download.html On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 23:31:14 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >> What's the output of >> >> uname -m >> >> ? You might have a 64 bit architecture hardware, but you likely have >> a 32 bit install. > > > i686 So try to run v=0.2.5 or what ever the current version might be, followed by sudo gdebi openscam_$v_$(uname -m).deb in your case it's the same as running sudo gdebi openscam_$v_i686.deb and if that shouldn't work, test all the 32 bit architectures, IOW i486 and i386 too. Most likely you need to run sudo gdebi openscam_$v_i386.deb this is the same as running sudo gdebi openscam_0.2.5_i386.deb since the provided packages on the homepage claims to be compiled for very old 32 bit architecture, i386. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 08:41:11 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:41:11 +0200 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <20150612103532.3da0b09a@archlinux> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612074434.44ddc29e@archlinux> <20150612103532.3da0b09a@archlinux> Message-ID: <20150612104111.683e604e@archlinux> PS: gdebi seems to resolve and install dependencies, dpkg -i doesn't. When using dpkg -i the OP needs to install the needed dependencies too. From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 08:47:05 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:47:05 +0200 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <20150612103532.3da0b09a@archlinux> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612074434.44ddc29e@archlinux> <20150612103532.3da0b09a@archlinux> Message-ID: <20150612104705.45900d6a@archlinux> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:35:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > sudo gdebi openscam_0.2.5_i386.deb If you shouldn't have another download source, with other 32 bit architecture packages, as the one I found, than it's i386 ;). From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 09:12:24 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:12:24 +0200 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <557A9052.5050700@gmail.com> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <557A7882.1070707@gmail.com> <557A9052.5050700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20150612111224.1f24b522@archlinux> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:54:58 +0200, user49b wrote: >Hi Bill > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_processor > >So according to ARK >"http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz" >- your CPU has 4 Cores and 8 Threads. Is this what some people often mention as "hyperthreading" or similar? If so, I often read that this could cause issues for real-time usage and should be turned of in the BIOS. JFTR for controlling a CNC machine there likely is the need to use a real-time patched kernel. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RealTime Gene does know more about this topic than I do, so I Cc'ed him. >"uname -a" pics up all. >This will be similar info than what you are seeing in "/proc/cpuinfo". No, it provides kernel information, hwinfo and other commands provide hardware information, somebody already named another command in this thread. From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jun 12 09:16:17 2015 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 05:16:17 -0400 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612074434.44ddc29e@archlinux> <557A7B2A.4000006@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <557AA361.2040304@cfl.rr.com> On 06/12/2015 03:11 AM, Bill Vance wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Charles T. Bell wrote: > >> On 06/12/2015 01:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >>>> I checked, "/proc/cpuinfo", and instead of telling me I have a quad >>>> processor, it tells me I have processors 0-7, i.e., >>>> _eight_ of them. At this point, I _really_ have no idea >>>> whats going on here. >>> >>> You should provide more information. We can't help you based on your >>> guessing. >>> >>> What's the output of >>> grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a >>> ? >>> >>> >> >> How about the following? >> sudo lshw | egrep -nA 10 cpu >> >> That should tell you something about the cpu. >> >> Tom > > Yeah, 403 lines worth. > How did you manage that? Try, sudo lshw | grep -nA 10 cpu Which will limit output to 10 lines following the word cpu. I do not understand how you can get 403 lines of info using that input. 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Name: cbell44.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 149 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gheskett at wdtv.com Fri Jun 12 15:04:49 2015 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:04:49 -0400 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <20150612111224.1f24b522@archlinux> References: <557A9052.5050700@gmail.com> <20150612111224.1f24b522@archlinux> Message-ID: <201506121104.49542.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Friday 12 June 2015 05:12:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:54:58 +0200, user49b wrote: > >Hi Bill > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_processor > > > >So according to ARK > >"http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M > >-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz" - your CPU has 4 Cores and 8 Threads. > > Is this what some people often mention as "hyperthreading" or similar? > If so, I often read that this could cause issues for real-time usage > and should be turned of in the BIOS. > JFTR for controlling a CNC machine there likely is the need to use a > real-time patched kernel. > > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RealTime > > Gene does know more about this topic than I do, so I Cc'ed him. This is essentially true. The hard realtime timings needed by driving stepper motors in pure software, can only be done by using an RTAI patched kernel, and the choices are quite limiting. No PAE and no 64 bit alowed because they both slow the kernels response to a hard IRQ. Stepper motors, when running at speed, depend on a steady heartbeat, and wobbles in the timeing of a step pulse will cause a severe loss of torque and a frozen motor that once stopped, cannot re-accelerate to maintain step synch with the pulses when they resume, often with a speedup to catchup. However, if the hard realtime stuff is delegated to a plugin pci card, and I am in the process of installing a mesanet 5i25 card in all my machines, then the choices are much wider. 64 bit or PAE can be handled fairly well as the base loop that does all the "floating point math" loop, normally runs at a 1 millisecond interval although I did have one running at 250 microseconds for a while as that seemed to be the only way I could stop a high speed hunting in the spindle speed servo. For the curious, that turned out to be that I had a handfull of "addf"s in the *.hal file out of order, so the propagation delays thru the logic were stretched by many cycles. The "hal" files logic modules are executed in the order of the addf occurrence, so those delays all collapse to a freaction of one cycle, if the input signal from the speed encoder is first, and each module then addf'd in the sequence of the signal flow thru the ciruit, finally ending at the pwm generator that controls the motor. End of problem. I would comment, for those in love with the proprietary NVidia driver for their gfx card, probably won't be able to use it because that driver gets much of its speed by masking off all IRQ's for as much as 200 milliseconds at a time, I have watched it on a scope. The nouveau driver, which is getting better all the time, doesn't do that and I am using it on this machine where it is plenty fast enough to display the backplot of a simulated machine moving at 10x faster speeds than the real thing can without breaking expensive tooling at $20-$80 a pop. Also in the FWIW dept, huge cpu horsepower isn't needed to do submicron theoretical accuracy, (accurate screws to move it are the real limit, difficult to keep it within .0001" without throwing wagon loads of money to the screw makers) we're using dual core atom boards for x86 work, but distributed computing helps, there are now some pretty big machines being run rather nicely by a BeagleBone Black as its plethora of PRU's can replace the hard realtime stuff quite nicely. Google for "MachineKit". Its a fork of linuxcnc to run on the beaglebone black. The breakout board 'cape' and a wall wart psu run it up to about $200, and I may even wind up running my latest mill purchase with it. I cannot buy x86 hardware suitable at that price. Back to your regularly scheduled, more on topic, discussions. > >"uname -a" pics up all. > >This will be similar info than what you are seeing in > > "/proc/cpuinfo". > > No, it provides kernel information, hwinfo and other commands provide > hardware information, somebody already named another command in this > thread. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 15:39:16 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:39:16 +0200 Subject: Off-topic: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <201506121104.49542.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <557A9052.5050700@gmail.com> <20150612111224.1f24b522@archlinux> <201506121104.49542.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <20150612173916.164b82fb@archlinux> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:04:49 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >I would comment, for those in love with the proprietary NVidia driver >for their gfx card, probably won't be able to use it because that >driver gets much of its speed by masking off all IRQ's for as much as >200 milliseconds at a time, I have watched it on a scope. The nouveau >driver, which is getting better all the time, doesn't do that and I am >using it on this machine where it is plenty fast enough to display the >backplot of a simulated machine moving at 10x faster speeds than the >real thing can without breaking expensive tooling at $20-$80 a pop. Maybe it's something the OP doesn't need, but FWIW, if the OP does use the computer for the simulation software http://openscam.com/ and for controlling a CNC machine and assumed for the simulation software the proprietary driver and/or PAE should be needed, it's possible to switch graphics drivers by a script at startup. I once used the proprietary NVIDI driver for vanilla kernels and the FLOSS driver for real-time audio patched kernels. The OP could use a vanilla PAE kernel for the simulation software and a non-PAE RTAI patched kernel for a CNC machine. At startup, depending on the booted kernel, a script could link xorg.conf to a file xorg.floss or xorg.proprietary to select the wanted driver. From ralsa at openmailbox.org Fri Jun 12 16:46:03 2015 From: ralsa at openmailbox.org (Carlos A.F.) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:46:03 +0200 Subject: Floder View does not show the items In-Reply-To: <201506121104.49542.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <20150612111224.1f24b522@archlinux> <201506121104.49542.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <51221324.57loFLr7EA@anibal> It only shows this message: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave klauncher said: unknown protocol <> Using Kubuntu 15.04 with backports updates. From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jun 12 19:26:08 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <557AA361.2040304@cfl.rr.com> References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612074434.44ddc29e@archlinux> <557A7B2A.4000006@cfl.rr.com> <557AA361.2040304@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Charles T. Bell wrote: > > > On 06/12/2015 03:11 AM, Bill Vance wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Charles T. Bell wrote: >> >>> On 06/12/2015 01:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >>>>> I checked, "/proc/cpuinfo", and instead of telling me I have a quad >>>>> processor, it tells me I have processors 0-7, i.e., >>>>> _eight_ of them. At this point, I _really_ have no idea >>>>> whats going on here. >>>> >>>> You should provide more information. We can't help you based on your >>>> guessing. >>>> >>>> What's the output of >>>> grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> How about the following? >>> sudo lshw | egrep -nA 10 cpu >>> >>> That should tell you something about the cpu. >>> >>> Tom >> >> Yeah, 403 lines worth. >> > > How did you manage that? > Try, sudo lshw | grep -nA 10 cpu > Which will limit output to 10 lines following the word cpu. > I do not understand how you can get 403 lines of info using that > input. (Try cut-and-paste) See for yourself, both versions give the same output. 9: configuration: administrator_password=enabled boot=normal chassis=desktop cpus=4 family=To be filled by O.E.M. frontpanel_password=disabled keyboard_password=disabled power-on_password=enabled sku=To be filled by O.E.M. uuid=00000000-0000-0000-0000-D8CB8A3EA1C8 10- *-core 11- description: Motherboard 12- product: Z97 PC Mate(MS-7850) 13- vendor: MSI 14- physical id: 0 15- version: 1.0 16- serial: To be filled by O.E.M. 17- slot: To be filled by O.E.M. 18- *-firmware 19- description: BIOS -- 27: *-cpu:0 28- description: CPU 29- product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz 30- vendor: Intel Corp. 31- physical id: 3d 32: bus info: cpu at 0 33- version: 6.12.3 34- serial: 0003-06C3-0000-0000-0000-0000 35- slot: SOCKET 0 36- size: 4GHz 37- width: 64 bits 38- clock: 100MHz 39- capabilities: x86-64 boot fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx pdpe1gb rdtscp constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm ida arat xsaveopt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms 40- configuration: cores=4 enabledcores=4 id=5 threads=8 41- *-cache:0 42- description: L1 cache -- 62: *-logicalcpu:0 63- description: Logical CPU 64- physical id: 5.1 65- width: 64 bits 66- capabilities: logical 67: *-logicalcpu:1 68- description: Logical CPU 69- physical id: 5.2 70- width: 64 bits 71- capabilities: logical 72: *-logicalcpu:2 73- description: Logical CPU 74- physical id: 5.3 75- width: 64 bits 76- capabilities: logical 77: *-logicalcpu:3 78- description: Logical CPU 79- physical id: 5.4 80- width: 64 bits 81- capabilities: logical 82: *-logicalcpu:4 83- description: Logical CPU 84- physical id: 5.5 85- width: 64 bits 86- capabilities: logical 87: *-logicalcpu:5 88- description: Logical CPU 89- physical id: 5.6 90- width: 64 bits 91- capabilities: logical 92: *-logicalcpu:6 93- description: Logical CPU 94- physical id: 5.7 95- width: 64 bits 96- capabilities: logical 97: *-logicalcpu:7 98- description: Logical CPU 99- physical id: 5.8 100- width: 64 bits 101- capabilities: logical 102: *-logicalcpu:8 103- description: Logical CPU 104- physical id: 5.9 105- width: 64 bits 106- capabilities: logical 107: *-logicalcpu:9 108- description: Logical CPU 109- physical id: 5.a 110- width: 64 bits 111- capabilities: logical 112: *-logicalcpu:10 113- description: Logical CPU 114- physical id: 5.b 115- width: 64 bits 116- capabilities: logical 117: *-logicalcpu:11 118- description: Logical CPU 119- physical id: 5.c 120- width: 64 bits 121- capabilities: logical 122: *-logicalcpu:12 123- description: Logical CPU 124- physical id: 5.d 125- width: 64 bits 126- capabilities: logical 127: *-logicalcpu:13 128- description: Logical CPU 129- physical id: 5.e 130- width: 64 bits 131- capabilities: logical 132: *-logicalcpu:14 133- description: Logical CPU 134- physical id: 5.f 135- width: 64 bits 136- capabilities: logical 137: *-logicalcpu:15 138- description: Logical CPU 139- physical id: 5.10 140- width: 64 bits 141- capabilities: logical 142- *-memory 143- description: System Memory 144- physical id: 42 145- slot: System board or motherboard 146- size: 16GiB 147- *-bank:0 -- 181: *-cpu:1 182- physical id: 1 183: bus info: cpu at 1 184- version: 6.12.3 185- serial: 0003-06C3-0000-0000-0000-0000 186- size: 4GHz 187- capabilities: vmx ht 188- configuration: id=5 189: *-logicalcpu:0 190- description: Logical CPU 191- physical id: 5.1 192- capabilities: logical 193: *-logicalcpu:1 194- description: Logical CPU 195- physical id: 5.2 196- capabilities: logical 197: *-logicalcpu:2 198- description: Logical CPU 199- physical id: 5.3 200- capabilities: logical 201: *-logicalcpu:3 202- description: Logical CPU 203- physical id: 5.4 204- capabilities: logical 205: *-logicalcpu:4 206- description: Logical CPU 207- physical id: 5.5 208- capabilities: logical 209: *-logicalcpu:5 210- description: Logical CPU 211- physical id: 5.6 212- capabilities: logical 213: *-logicalcpu:6 214- description: Logical CPU 215- physical id: 5.7 216- capabilities: logical 217: *-logicalcpu:7 218- description: Logical CPU 219- physical id: 5.8 220- capabilities: logical 221: *-logicalcpu:8 222- description: Logical CPU 223- physical id: 5.9 224- capabilities: logical 225: *-logicalcpu:9 226- description: Logical CPU 227- physical id: 5.a 228- capabilities: logical 229: *-logicalcpu:10 230- description: Logical CPU 231- physical id: 5.b 232- capabilities: logical 233: *-logicalcpu:11 234- description: Logical CPU 235- physical id: 5.c 236- capabilities: logical 237: *-logicalcpu:12 238- description: Logical CPU 239- physical id: 5.d 240- capabilities: logical 241: *-logicalcpu:13 242- description: Logical CPU 243- physical id: 5.e 244- capabilities: logical 245: *-logicalcpu:14 246- description: Logical CPU 247- physical id: 5.f 248- capabilities: logical 249: *-logicalcpu:15 250- description: Logical CPU 251- physical id: 5.10 252- capabilities: logical 253: *-cpu:2 254- physical id: 2 255: bus info: cpu at 2 256- version: 6.12.3 257- serial: 0003-06C3-0000-0000-0000-0000 258- size: 4GHz 259- capabilities: vmx ht 260- configuration: id=5 261: *-logicalcpu:0 262- description: Logical CPU 263- physical id: 5.1 264- capabilities: logical 265: *-logicalcpu:1 266- description: Logical CPU 267- physical id: 5.2 268- capabilities: logical 269: *-logicalcpu:2 270- description: Logical CPU 271- physical id: 5.3 272- capabilities: logical 273: *-logicalcpu:3 274- description: Logical CPU 275- physical id: 5.4 276- capabilities: logical 277: *-logicalcpu:4 278- description: Logical CPU 279- physical id: 5.5 280- capabilities: logical 281: *-logicalcpu:5 282- description: Logical CPU 283- physical id: 5.6 284- capabilities: logical 285: *-logicalcpu:6 286- description: Logical CPU 287- physical id: 5.7 288- capabilities: logical 289: *-logicalcpu:7 290- description: Logical CPU 291- physical id: 5.8 292- capabilities: logical 293: *-logicalcpu:8 294- description: Logical CPU 295- physical id: 5.9 296- capabilities: logical 297: *-logicalcpu:9 298- description: Logical CPU 299- physical id: 5.a 300- capabilities: logical 301: *-logicalcpu:10 302- description: Logical CPU 303- physical id: 5.b 304- capabilities: logical 305: *-logicalcpu:11 306- description: Logical CPU 307- physical id: 5.c 308- capabilities: logical 309: *-logicalcpu:12 310- description: Logical CPU 311- physical id: 5.d 312- capabilities: logical 313: *-logicalcpu:13 314- description: Logical CPU 315- physical id: 5.e 316- capabilities: logical 317: *-logicalcpu:14 318- description: Logical CPU 319- physical id: 5.f 320- capabilities: logical 321: *-logicalcpu:15 322- description: Logical CPU 323- physical id: 5.10 324- capabilities: logical 325: *-cpu:3 326- physical id: 3 327: bus info: cpu at 3 328- version: 6.12.3 329- serial: 0003-06C3-0000-0000-0000-0000 330- size: 4GHz 331- capabilities: vmx ht 332- configuration: id=5 333: *-logicalcpu:0 334- description: Logical CPU 335- physical id: 5.1 336- capabilities: logical 337: *-logicalcpu:1 338- description: Logical CPU 339- physical id: 5.2 340- capabilities: logical 341: *-logicalcpu:2 342- description: Logical CPU 343- physical id: 5.3 344- capabilities: logical 345: *-logicalcpu:3 346- description: Logical CPU 347- physical id: 5.4 348- capabilities: logical 349: *-logicalcpu:4 350- description: Logical CPU 351- physical id: 5.5 352- capabilities: logical 353: *-logicalcpu:5 354- description: Logical CPU 355- physical id: 5.6 356- capabilities: logical 357: *-logicalcpu:6 358- description: Logical CPU 359- physical id: 5.7 360- capabilities: logical 361: *-logicalcpu:7 362- description: Logical CPU 363- physical id: 5.8 364- capabilities: logical 365: *-logicalcpu:8 366- description: Logical CPU 367- physical id: 5.9 368- capabilities: logical 369: *-logicalcpu:9 370- description: Logical CPU 371- physical id: 5.a 372- capabilities: logical 373: *-logicalcpu:10 374- description: Logical CPU 375- physical id: 5.b 376- capabilities: logical 377: *-logicalcpu:11 378- description: Logical CPU 379- physical id: 5.c 380- capabilities: logical 381: *-logicalcpu:12 382- description: Logical CPU 383- physical id: 5.d 384- capabilities: logical 385: *-logicalcpu:13 386- description: Logical CPU 387- physical id: 5.e 388- capabilities: logical 389: *-logicalcpu:14 390- description: Logical CPU 391- physical id: 5.f 392- capabilities: logical 393: *-logicalcpu:15 394- description: Logical CPU 395- physical id: 5.10 396- capabilities: logical 397- *-pci 398- description: Host bridge 399- product: 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller 400- vendor: Intel Corporation 401- physical id: 100 402- bus info: pci at 0000:00:00.0 403- version: 06 From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Fri Jun 12 19:41:38 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: <201506121104.49542.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <557A9052.5050700@gmail.com> <20150612111224.1f24b522@archlinux> <201506121104.49542.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: Well, I thank you all for the excellent help/diagnoses, etc. I don't know what caused a swap around of OS downloads last time, but hopefully that problem is fixed now. I just downloaded, "precise-desktop-amd64.iso", and we'll get back online, probably in the late afternoon/early evening. See you then. Bill From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jun 12 21:02:02 2015 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:02:02 -0400 Subject: Further Wierdness, was: Re: Download Question In-Reply-To: References: <4434757.UOZPNlCuUv@lark-latitude-d830> <1629065.K0ZejexoYB@lark-latitude-d830> <20150612074434.44ddc29e@archlinux> <557A7B2A.4000006@cfl.rr.com> <557AA361.2040304@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <557B48CA.5050701@cfl.rr.com> On 06/12/2015 03:26 PM, Bill Vance wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Charles T. Bell wrote: > >> >> >> On 06/12/2015 03:11 AM, Bill Vance wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Charles T. Bell wrote: >>> >>>> On 06/12/2015 01:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >>>>>> I checked, "/proc/cpuinfo", and instead of telling me I have a quad >>>>>> processor, it tells me I have processors 0-7, i.e., >>>>>> _eight_ of them. At this point, I _really_ have no idea >>>>>> whats going on here. >>>>> >>>>> You should provide more information. We can't help you based on your >>>>> guessing. >>>>> >>>>> What's the output of >>>>> grep name /proc/cpuinfo ; uname -a >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> How about the following? >>>> sudo lshw | egrep -nA 10 cpu >>>> >>>> That should tell you something about the cpu. >>>> >>>> Tom >>> >>> Yeah, 403 lines worth. >>> >> >> How did you manage that? >> Try, sudo lshw | grep -nA 10 cpu >> Which will limit output to 10 lines following the word cpu. >> I do not understand how you can get 403 lines of info using that >> input. (Try cut-and-paste) > > > See for yourself, both versions give the same output. > > 9: configuration: administrator_password=enabled boot=normal > chassis=desktop cpus=4 family=To be filled by O.E.M. > frontpanel_password=disabled keyboard_password=disabled > power-on_password=enabled sku=To be filled by O.E.M. > uuid=00000000-0000-0000-0000-D8CB8A3EA1C8 > 10- *-core > 11- description: Motherboard > 12- product: Z97 PC Mate(MS-7850) > 13- vendor: MSI > 14- physical id: 0 > 15- version: 1.0 > 16- serial: To be filled by O.E.M. > 17- slot: To be filled by O.E.M. > 18- *-firmware > 19- description: BIOS > -- > 27: *-cpu:0 > 28- description: CPU > 29- product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz > 30- vendor: Intel Corp. > 31- physical id: 3d > 32: bus info: cpu at 0 > 33- version: 6.12.3 > 34- serial: 0003-06C3-0000-0000-0000-0000 > 35- slot: SOCKET 0 > 36- size: 4GHz > 37- width: 64 bits > 38- clock: 100MHz > 39- capabilities: x86-64 boot fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse > tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts > acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx pdpe1gb rdtscp constant_tsc > arch_perfmon pebs bts xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq > dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 > sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand > lahf_lm abm ida arat xsaveopt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi > flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms > 40- configuration: cores=4 enabledcores=4 id=5 threads=8 > 41- *-cache:0 > 42- description: L1 cache > -- > * * * Snip! * * * I see what you are saying, it is giving you all the information about all the cpus both real and logical. That's more data than you can handle. In this particular method of recalling the data from lshw, you get 10 lines every time cpu is mentioned. You have a 64-bit, x68-64, cpu at 4GHz with a 100MHz clock. Of course, it starts telling you about your motherboard, but that you don't need. Everything you need to know, and more, about the cpu is listed right there. It is just in a format you don't understand. As for a nice GUI window to show all the details, there used to be one, but I don't see it now. Good luck! Tom -- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .- Edmund Burke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How do I add soft links, directories and items ? If I open file manager it show in desktop folder, but not on screen. Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Thu Jun 18 10:04:22 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: soft link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It depends in part on which distro you're running, (which you didn't mention). On 12.04, you can do it by right clicking in the desktop directory window, (on your desktop), and going through the menuing. Or from the terminal, you can try: cd ~/Desktop ln -s /your/target/directory YourLinkName The following works for me, but doesn't work on all distros. My systems name is xpresso, so doing this: cd ~/Desktop ln -s / xpresso Puts an icon named xpresso in the Desktop directory window. Left clicking on it calls up Dolphin, with icons showing for all the sub directories in the / directory. Again, that doesn't work on all distros, but it's something you might try. Bill On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, Joshua Robinson wrote: > Howdy, > > I'm trying to add soft links to desktop, but I don't see > anything. How do I add soft links, directories and items ? > > If I open file manager it show in desktop folder, but not on > screen. > > Cheers, > -Joshua Robinson > [uc?export=download&id=0B73x17sTfMvKamNaUUNPanFoZ2s&revid=0B73x > 17sTfMvKYS81eVVUZWhCTDRRYXdnTkswSzdKeDg2SDhnPQ] "Live long and > prosper" > > From kde.lists at yahoo.com Thu Jun 18 11:22:41 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:22:41 +0200 Subject: soft link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150618132241.1c355285@archlinux> On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:04:22 -0700 (PDT), Bill Vance wrote: >Or from the terminal, you can try: > > cd ~/Desktop > ln -s /your/target/directory YourLinkName IIUC the OP knows how to create a link, but not how to enable to view Icons on the Desktop. I'm not using KDE anymore, so I can't help. >The following works for me, but doesn't work on all >distros. My systems name is xpresso, so doing this: > > cd ~/Desktop > ln -s / xpresso If it shouldn't work for a Distro, then something is broken. From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:56:31 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 07:56:31 -0500 Subject: dashboard, why, what for, how to... ? Message-ID: Howdy, Can anyone explain what it is ? how to use it ? why we need it ? Please point to links, documents about this "feature". Cheers, -Joshua Robinson - "Live long and prosper" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 13:00:18 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 08:00:18 -0500 Subject: soft link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy, Thanks. I have Kubuntu 12.04 and it doesn't work on my laptop (did shut-down, waited , restart) - no icons. Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Bill Vance wrote: > > > It depends in part on which distro you're running, (which > you didn't mention). On 12.04, you can do it by right > clicking in the desktop directory window, (on your desktop), > and going through the menuing. > > Or from the terminal, you can try: > > cd ~/Desktop > ln -s /your/target/directory YourLinkName > > The following works for me, but doesn't work on all > distros. My systems name is xpresso, so doing this: > > cd ~/Desktop > ln -s / xpresso > > Puts an icon named xpresso in the Desktop directory > window. Left clicking on it calls up Dolphin, with icons > showing for all the sub directories in the / directory. > Again, that doesn't work on all distros, but it's something > you might try. > > Bill > > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, Joshua Robinson wrote: > > Howdy, >> >> I'm trying to add soft links to desktop, but I don't see >> anything. How do I add soft links, directories and items ? >> >> If I open file manager it show in desktop folder, but not on >> screen. >> >> Cheers, >> -Joshua Robinson >> [uc?export=download&id=0B73x17sTfMvKamNaUUNPanFoZ2s&revid=0B73x >> 17sTfMvKYS81eVVUZWhCTDRRYXdnTkswSzdKeDg2SDhnPQ] "Live long and >> prosper" >> >> >> > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Thu Jun 18 16:50:38 2015 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 18:50:38 +0200 Subject: dashboard, why, what for, how to... ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1745324.6ytVNOd4cz@p5915> Joshua Robinson wrote: > Can anyone explain what it is ? how to use it ? why we need it ? > Please point to links, documents about this "feature". Here is one of the results from a search for "kde dashboard": Nils From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 16:54:16 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:54:16 -0500 Subject: dashboard, why, what for, how to... ? In-Reply-To: <1745324.6ytVNOd4cz@p5915> References: <1745324.6ytVNOd4cz@p5915> Message-ID: Thanks. Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Joshua Robinson wrote: > > Can anyone explain what it is ? how to use it ? why we need it ? > > Please point to links, documents about this "feature". > > Here is one of the results from a search for "kde dashboard": > > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 21:30:06 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:30:06 -0500 Subject: remove multiples widgets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Problem solved. -Joshua On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Robinson wrote: > > Howdy, > > How do I remove multiple icon widgets from the bottom panel on kubuntu > 12.05. ? > > Cheers, > -Joshua Robinson > "Live long and prosper" > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luca at ventoso.org Sun Jun 21 20:22:43 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 22:22:43 +0200 Subject: Not ready for prime time or is just a case of pebkac? Message-ID: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> Sorry if this sounds like a rant, it probably is. After my hard disk crashed, I decided to give kubuntu a try (after many years of using another distribution with kde). Unfortunately, despite the stunning looks of a modern plasma desktop (albeit with a dearth of available desktop widgets), after a week I can say that nothing seems to work as I was used to: 1) bluedevil https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/+bug/1466354 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/+bug/1466347 (ok, ubuntu ships an outdated version of Bluez, but still it is annoying). 2) the korganizer daemon randomly stops reminding me of appointments. Today I cannot even open korganizer from the system tray (I could yesterday), only from the k menu. 3) the problem with the screen reported here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-June/009587.html only, this is a fresh install, it happens not only when plugging/removing an external monitor but also when resuming. I have been using nvidia with kde (not kubuntu) for the past 2 years, and I never saw this problem before. Btw, turning the compositing off (ctrl+shift-f12) fixes it. 4) recently, after an upgrade to the kubuntu-ppa/backports, after a resume I'm greeted with a black screen. I have to turn to another tty an kill kscreenlocker_greet 5) just now, trying point 4 above, kinit crashed, luckily thunderbird saved the draft 6) new today, I click on a text file in dolphin (which, btw, seems to be forgetting the places I add), and it tells me it cannot open /usr/bin/kate. I can launch kate from the k menu. Maybe a reboot will help, I don't know, closing and reopening the session didn't. 7) also new today, it forgot the wifi network I've been using at home during the last week. 8) not new the problem with networkmanager and VLANs: I have to turn them on manually since networkmanager refuses to bring them up itself (with a less than helpful error message). Not to speak about the problems caused by the vboxnet0 (virtual box host only networking), which today networkmanager decided to use as a default route instead of the wired ethernet. 9) various notifications of "system processes" crashing (e.g, plasma) Am I doing something wrong? Bye -- Luca From luca at ventoso.org Sun Jun 21 22:46:05 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 00:46:05 +0200 Subject: Not ready for prime time or is just a case of pebkac? In-Reply-To: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> References: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> Message-ID: <55873EAD.6000701@ventoso.org> El 21/06/15 a les 22:22, Luca Olivetti ha escrit: > 6) new today, I click on a text file in dolphin (which, btw, seems to be > forgetting the places I add), and it tells me it cannot open > /usr/bin/kate. I can launch kate from the k menu. Maybe a reboot will > help, I don't know, closing and reopening the session didn't. As didn't a reboot. Even better, clicking on an image, it seems it tries to open gwenview (animation and on the taskbar), but then nothing. The same with a sound or a movie. The only files that now open from dolphin are pdf (with okular) and libreoffice documents. Oh, and konsole's icon randomly changes (it's either a black square with a white > or a gray square with a black > and border). Bye -- Luca From stan10x10 at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 23:18:15 2015 From: stan10x10 at gmail.com (Uriah Heep) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:18:15 -0400 Subject: Not ready for prime time or is just a case of pebkac? In-Reply-To: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> References: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> Message-ID: Given all the difficulties attendant this roll out.(windows thought me to never jump on the newest thing until the general population did the real final beta test) I concluded I would stick with my older and solid version till this iteration is debugged. Given all the problems, if you have an image or recent backup of your old system you might consider going back and waiting til this version is ready for prime time. On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote: > Sorry if this sounds like a rant, it probably is. > After my hard disk crashed, I decided to give kubuntu a try (after many > years of using another distribution with kde). > Unfortunately, despite the stunning looks of a modern plasma desktop > (albeit with a dearth of available desktop widgets), after a week I can say > that nothing seems to work as I was used to: > > 1) bluedevil > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/+bug/1466354 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/+bug/1466347 > > (ok, ubuntu ships an outdated version of Bluez, but still it is annoying). > > 2) the korganizer daemon randomly stops reminding me of appointments. > Today I cannot even open korganizer from the system tray (I could > yesterday), only from the k menu. > > 3) the problem with the screen reported here: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-June/009587.html > > only, this is a fresh install, it happens not only when plugging/removing > an external monitor but also when resuming. I have been using nvidia with > kde (not kubuntu) for the past 2 years, and I never saw this problem > before. Btw, turning the compositing off (ctrl+shift-f12) fixes it. > > 4) recently, after an upgrade to the kubuntu-ppa/backports, after a resume > I'm greeted with a black screen. I have to turn to another tty an kill > kscreenlocker_greet > > 5) just now, trying point 4 above, kinit crashed, luckily thunderbird > saved the draft > > 6) new today, I click on a text file in dolphin (which, btw, seems to be > forgetting the places I add), and it tells me it cannot open /usr/bin/kate. > I can launch kate from the k menu. Maybe a reboot will help, I don't know, > closing and reopening the session didn't. > > 7) also new today, it forgot the wifi network I've been using at home > during the last week. > > 8) not new the problem with networkmanager and VLANs: I have to turn them > on manually since networkmanager refuses to bring them up itself (with a > less than helpful error message). Not to speak about the problems caused by > the vboxnet0 (virtual box host only networking), which today networkmanager > decided to use as a default route instead of the wired ethernet. > > 9) various notifications of "system processes" crashing (e.g, plasma) > > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Bye > -- > Luca > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luca at ventoso.org Mon Jun 22 06:42:39 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:42:39 +0200 Subject: Not ready for prime time or is just a case of pebkac? In-Reply-To: References: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> Message-ID: <5587AE5F.6020506@ventoso.org> El 22/06/15 a les 01:18, Uriah Heep ha escrit: > Given all the difficulties attendant this roll out.(windows thought me > to never jump on the newest thing until the general population did the > real final beta test) I concluded I would stick with my older and solid > version till this iteration is debugged. Given all the problems, if you > have an image or recent backup of your old system you might consider > going back and waiting til this version is ready for prime time. No, I would have to reinstall my previous distro (not a biggie), but I find it difficult to swallow that things are supposed not to work in kubuntu, so I was hoping it was just an operator error (me) with an easy way out. Bye -- Luca From etriaph at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 06:51:22 2015 From: etriaph at gmail.com (R.P. Charbonneau) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 02:51:22 -0400 Subject: Not ready for prime time or is just a case of pebkac? In-Reply-To: <5587AE5F.6020506@ventoso.org> References: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> <5587AE5F.6020506@ventoso.org> Message-ID: <14795088.RbAnYxOKRm@eden> Be sure to add the backports PPA or the system will likely be quite unstable (in my experience.) ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports On June 22, 2015 08:42:39 AM Luca Olivetti wrote: > El 22/06/15 a les 01:18, Uriah Heep ha escrit: > > > Given all the difficulties attendant this roll out.(windows thought me > > to never jump on the newest thing until the general population did the > > real final beta test) I concluded I would stick with my older and solid > > version till this iteration is debugged. Given all the problems, if you > > have an image or recent backup of your old system you might consider > > going back and waiting til this version is ready for prime time. > > No, I would have to reinstall my previous distro (not a biggie), but I > find it difficult to swallow that things are supposed not to work in > kubuntu, so I was hoping it was just an operator error (me) with an easy > way out. > > Bye > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luca at ventoso.org Mon Jun 22 07:25:27 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:25:27 +0200 Subject: Not ready for prime time or is just a case of pebkac? In-Reply-To: <14795088.RbAnYxOKRm@eden> References: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> <5587AE5F.6020506@ventoso.org> <14795088.RbAnYxOKRm@eden> Message-ID: <5587B867.7070504@ventoso.org> El 22/06/15 a les 08:51, R.P. Charbonneau ha escrit: > Be sure to add the backports PPA or the system will likely be quite > unstable (in my experience.) > > ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports I already tried that (I think I mentioned it in my rant) in order to see if it solved some problems. It actually did (e.g. now konsole seems to be terminating quietly) but introduced some others while others stayed the same. Bye -- Luca From luca at ventoso.org Mon Jun 22 08:16:21 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:16:21 +0200 Subject: Not ready for prime time or is just a case of pebkac? In-Reply-To: <55873EAD.6000701@ventoso.org> References: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> <55873EAD.6000701@ventoso.org> Message-ID: <5587C455.3050006@ventoso.org> El 22/06/15 a les 00:46, Luca Olivetti ha escrit: > Oh, and konsole's icon randomly changes (it's either a black square with > a white > or a gray square with a black > and border). I just found out it's not random (phew, one less item in the list): the "big"black square is with compositing on, the "small" gray one is with compositing off. Bye -- Luca From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Jun 22 13:14:04 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:14:04 -0500 Subject: Not ready for prime time or is just a case of pebkac? In-Reply-To: <5587AE5F.6020506@ventoso.org> References: <55871D13.8080106@ventoso.org> <5587AE5F.6020506@ventoso.org> Message-ID: <55880A1C.6040508@swbell.net> On 06/22/2015 01:42 AM, Luca Olivetti wrote: > > No, I would have to reinstall my previous distro (not a biggie), but I > find it difficult to swallow that things are supposed not to work in > kubuntu, so I was hoping it was just an operator error (me) with an > easy way out. > > Bye As a general rule I find Kubuntu extremely usable. I will admit that there have been occasions when it was maybe not so much, such as when KDE4 was first used and, from what I read here, Plasma5. I'm just an average home computer user. The kind that generally runs Windows. When I install I just answer the questions and let the installer do it's thing. I think one thing that does help is that I only buy computers with AMD processors, thus Radeon graphics. Another is that I only use the LTS versions, 14.04 right now. I don't even upgrade the LTS version for three or four months after release. I don't fiddle with the system. [ I don't know how *<]:oD ] I know that others use their computers differently. Some like to play. Others have other needs. But, for me, Kubuntu just works. My biggest issue is third party software. Whoever is working on it gets tired of working n it and quits. I've gotten where I rely on it and it gets left behind in the upgrades. But, that's not an issue for this forum. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 21:18:09 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:18:09 -0500 Subject: set to rows... Message-ID: Howdy, I've created a folders on desktop (dashboard) and set icons to rows, nothing happened - still column - any ideas ? I don't want to see folders - if it's possible : How can I set them (folders) to invisible and visible (mouse over) ? So far using Kubuntu for few weeks... I like it, it is pretty fast and stable - have an issue when shut.down ; it doesn't shut.down, it shows the Kubuntu logo and wait (left it like this for 10min) - I had to do few times ctrl+alt+delete and then it shut.down. Overall, it is stable and pretty good, will use it in all my computer (5+) & my dissertation research --- GooD JoB ! 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I then DID download a file with presets (supposed to contain 490 radio stations) kradio4-presets-4.0.8.tar.gz.md5 Is there any way this can actually be made to work? Thank you Thomas From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jun 24 07:04:23 2015 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 09:04:23 +0200 Subject: kradio setup In-Reply-To: <558A5493.4060000@hb.tp1.jp> References: <558A5493.4060000@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <2226958.Euzd3RdpOQ@p5915> Thomas wrote: > I did install "kardio" via the Software Center (Muon) on a notebook PC > running kubuntu 14.04, 64-bit. > > However, all I get is a bunch of errors: > 2015-06-23T20:03:18 KRadio4 Version 4.0.7 logging started > 2015-06-23T20:03:18 Initializing kradio lirc plugin failed > 2015-06-23T20:03:22 Could not find any radio device. Using the default > path for now: /dev/radio0 > 2015-06-23T20:03:22 V4LRadio::readV4LCaps: cannot open /dev/radio0 Kradio needs the appropriate hardware to receive FM radio. I'm not sure if there is hardware available to receive FM radio via USB which is also supported by the kernel. What hardware to you want to use for FM radio? Nils From phil_lor at bigpond.com Wed Jun 24 09:28:44 2015 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 19:28:44 +1000 Subject: Menu bar now missing Message-ID: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> Thank you for reading this. Kubuntu version 15.04 After installing Google Earth the desktop background turned black so I rebooted the system. On restart the menu bar (the bar that should be across the bottom of the screen) is now missing. This had occurred recently, and had nothing to do with Google Earth, so I reinstalled Kubuntu. That was a bit drastic and probably unnecessary because I seemed that all I had to do was rename .kde to .kde_old to get things back into shape. I had also renamed .config but I'm not sure if that was fix or renaming .kde. Unfortunately, this time I don't have access to konsole because I cannot access the menu. However, I can log in from a laptop using ssh and I did rename .kde and it was recreated after a reboot but the menu bar is still missing. Any help to get this going again will be greatly appreciated. By the way, Thunderbird is the only application that is available to me because it was open at the time of the problem. -- Regards, Phil From kassube at gmx.net Wed Jun 24 10:16:46 2015 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:16:46 +0200 Subject: Menu bar now missing In-Reply-To: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <1891258.oXRopaRrxD@p5915> Phil wrote: > Kubuntu version 15.04 > > After installing Google Earth the desktop background turned black so I > rebooted the system. On restart the menu bar (the bar that should be > across the bottom of the screen) is now missing. This had occurred > recently, and had nothing to do with Google Earth, so I reinstalled > Kubuntu. > > That was a bit drastic and probably unnecessary because I seemed that > all I had to do was rename .kde to .kde_old to get things back into > shape. I had also renamed .config but I'm not sure if that was fix or > renaming .kde. > > Unfortunately, this time I don't have access to konsole because I > cannot access the menu. However, I can log in from a laptop using ssh > and I did rename .kde and it was recreated after a reboot but the > menu bar is still missing. In 15.04 there are files in "~/.kde", "~/.config" and "~/.local", so maybe you should try to rename the "~/.local" directory also. Other than that, you could right-click on the desktop and unlock widgets (if necessary). Then right-click on the desktop and add a default panel. Nils From bilwalsh at swbell.net Wed Jun 24 12:20:51 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 07:20:51 -0500 Subject: Menu bar now missing In-Reply-To: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <558AA0A3.2080608@swbell.net> On 06/24/2015 04:28 AM, Phil wrote: > Thank you for reading this. > > Kubuntu version 15.04 > > After installing Google Earth the desktop background turned black so I > rebooted the system. On restart the menu bar (the bar that should be > across the bottom of the screen) is now missing. This had occurred > recently, and had nothing to do with Google Earth, so I reinstalled > Kubuntu. > > That was a bit drastic and probably unnecessary because I seemed that > all I had to do was rename .kde to .kde_old to get things back into > shape. I had also renamed .config but I'm not sure if that was fix or > renaming .kde. > > Unfortunately, this time I don't have access to konsole because I > cannot access the menu. However, I can log in from a laptop using ssh > and I did rename .kde and it was recreated after a reboot but the menu > bar is still missing. > > Any help to get this going again will be greatly appreciated. > > By the way, Thunderbird is the only application that is available to > me because it was open at the time of the problem. > When I looked at installing Google Earth I read this disclaimer in the description : It also does not integrate well into a Debian system. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 16:25:56 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 18:25:56 +0200 Subject: Menu bar now missing In-Reply-To: <558AA0A3.2080608@swbell.net> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> <558AA0A3.2080608@swbell.net> Message-ID: <558ADA14.4010204@gmail.com> On 24/06/2015 14:20, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 06/24/2015 04:28 AM, Phil wrote: >> Thank you for reading this. >> >> Kubuntu version 15.04 >> >> After installing Google Earth the desktop background turned black so I >> rebooted the system. On restart the menu bar (the bar that should be >> across the bottom of the screen) is now missing. This had occurred >> recently, and had nothing to do with Google Earth, so I reinstalled >> Kubuntu. >> >> That was a bit drastic and probably unnecessary because I seemed that >> all I had to do was rename .kde to .kde_old to get things back into >> shape. I had also renamed .config but I'm not sure if that was fix or >> renaming .kde. >> >> Unfortunately, this time I don't have access to konsole because I >> cannot access the menu. However, I can log in from a laptop using ssh >> and I did rename .kde and it was recreated after a reboot but the menu >> bar is still missing. >> >> Any help to get this going again will be greatly appreciated. >> >> By the way, Thunderbird is the only application that is available to >> me because it was open at the time of the problem. >> > > > When I looked at installing Google Earth I read this disclaimer in the > description : > > It also does not integrate well into a Debian system. > I have absolute no problem with GEarth in Kubuntu 14.10 or (earlier) 14.04. If there are issues they are likely related to Plasma5 From phil_lor at bigpond.com Thu Jun 25 00:24:11 2015 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:24:11 +1000 Subject: Menu bar now missing In-Reply-To: <1891258.oXRopaRrxD@p5915> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> <1891258.oXRopaRrxD@p5915> Message-ID: <558B4A2B.1010807@bigpond.com> On 24/06/15 20:16, Nils Kassube wrote: > Phil wrote: >> Kubuntu version 15.04 >> > > In 15.04 there are files in "~/.kde", "~/.config" and "~/.local", so > maybe you should try to rename the "~/.local" directory also. Other than > that, you could right-click on the desktop and unlock widgets (if > necessary). Then right-click on the desktop and add a default panel. > Thank you Nils for your quick reply. Unfortunately, the situation has gone from bad to disastrous. To recap, I renamed .config, .kde, and .local. Now after a reboot I'm left with a black screen and a mouse cursor. .config, .kde and .local have been recreated and right clicking does nothing. The only access I have now is via ssh. As I said earlier Billie and O, this is not the fault of installing Google Earth. I had this same problem after fiddling with Bleachbit a month or so back but I was able to recover from that disaster. I really do not want to reinstall 15.04 again. I previously had 14.10 installed and I was very happy with it. I do not have the install disk now but I do have 14.04. Unfortunately, my desktop will not boot from the 14.04 DVD (the laptop will so the disk is not faulty) no doubt due to UEFI. No matter which boot option I try the DVD will not boot. So, what I need is Kubuntu 14.10 (which did boot from the DVD) but the only version I can find includes a Plasma version (4 or 5). Plasma may not be the problem but I do not want to waste more time on uncertainties. Does anyone know where I can download version 14.10 again? I thought of Bit Torrent but it could be a bit dicey. -- Regards, Phil From clay at claydoh.com Thu Jun 25 01:55:05 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (=?utf-8?B?Y2xheUBjbGF5ZG9oLmNvbQ==?=) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:55:05 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IE1lbnUgYmFyIG5vdyBtaXNzaW5n?= Message-ID: If alt-f2 works to bring up krunner, try issuing the command 'plasmashell' there. This should restart plasma if it crashed. You can find isos at cdimage.ubuntu.com Clay Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Phil" To: Subject: Menu bar now missing Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2015 8:24 PM On 24/06/15 20:16, Nils Kassube wrote: > Phil wrote: >> Kubuntu version 15.04 >> > > In 15.04 there are files in "~/.kde", "~/.config" and "~/.local", so > maybe you should try to rename the "~/.local" directory also. Other than > that, you could right-click on the desktop and unlock widgets (if > necessary). Then right-click on the desktop and add a default panel. > Thank you Nils for your quick reply. Unfortunately, the situation has gone from bad to disastrous. To recap, I renamed .config, .kde, and .local. Now after a reboot I'm left with a black screen and a mouse cursor. .config, .kde and .local have been recreated and right clicking does nothing. The only access I have now is via ssh. As I said earlier Billie and O, this is not the fault of installing Google Earth. I had this same problem after fiddling with Bleachbit a month or so back but I was able to recover from that disaster. I really do not want to reinstall 15.04 again. I previously had 14.10 installed and I was very happy with it. I do not have the install disk now but I do have 14.04. Unfortunately, my desktop will not boot from the 14.04 DVD (the laptop will so the disk is not faulty) no doubt due to UEFI. No matter which boot option I try the DVD will not boot. So, what I need is Kubuntu 14.10 (which did boot from the DVD) but the only version I can find includes a Plasma version (4 or 5). Plasma may not be the problem but I do not want to waste more time on uncertainties. Does anyone know where I can download version 14.10 again? I thought of Bit Torrent but it could be a bit dicey. -- Regards, Phil -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil_lor at bigpond.com Thu Jun 25 01:57:37 2015 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 11:57:37 +1000 Subject: Menu bar now missing - new question In-Reply-To: <1891258.oXRopaRrxD@p5915> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> <1891258.oXRopaRrxD@p5915> Message-ID: <558B6011.5050608@bigpond.com> On 24/06/15 20:16, Nils Kassube wrote: > Phil wrote: >> Kubuntu version 15.04 >> Now this maybe the cause of my troubles. I have an Intel 64 bit computer and when updates are available they all have, or had, AMD in the name of the file. I always thought that this was odd but accepted it as being correct. The site below has two iso files, an Intel x86 and an AMD64. I had assumed that the x86 file is a 32 bit version http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/utopic/release/ So which iso file do I need? I imagine that an AMD version would cause all sorts of problems on an Intel machine, if it ran at all. The kubuntu site that lists 15.04 iso files for download only has two options; 32 or 64 bit. I downloaded the 64 bit version which seems to be an AMD version. -- Regards, Phil From etriaph at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 02:00:06 2015 From: etriaph at gmail.com (R.P. Charbonneau) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 22:00:06 -0400 Subject: Menu bar now missing - new question In-Reply-To: <558B6011.5050608@bigpond.com> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> <1891258.oXRopaRrxD@p5915> <558B6011.5050608@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <1549742.0Ygox8eWM4@eden> amd64 are the correct packages as I use an Intel 64bit chip with the same packages. On June 25, 2015 11:57:37 AM Phil wrote: > On 24/06/15 20:16, Nils Kassube wrote: > > Phil wrote: > >> Kubuntu version 15.04 > >> > > Now this maybe the cause of my troubles. > > I have an Intel 64 bit computer and when updates are available they all > have, or had, AMD in the name of the file. I always thought that this > was odd but accepted it as being correct. > > The site below has two iso files, an Intel x86 and an AMD64. I had > assumed that the x86 file is a 32 bit version > > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/utopic/release/ > > So which iso file do I need? I imagine that an AMD version would cause > all sorts of problems on an Intel machine, if it ran at all. > > The kubuntu site that lists 15.04 iso files for download only has two > options; 32 or 64 bit. I downloaded the 64 bit version which seems to be > an AMD version. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil_lor at bigpond.com Thu Jun 25 02:05:34 2015 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:05:34 +1000 Subject: Menu bar now missing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <558B61EE.50502@bigpond.com> On 25/06/15 11:55, clay at claydoh.com wrote: > If alt-f2 works to bring up krunner, try issuing the command > 'plasmashell' there. This should restart plasma if it crashed. > > You can find isos at cdimage.ubuntu.com > Thanks Clay. krunner does work but entered commands do not run. -- Regards, Phil From phil_lor at bigpond.com Thu Jun 25 02:18:40 2015 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:18:40 +1000 Subject: Menu bar now missing - new question In-Reply-To: <1549742.0Ygox8eWM4@eden> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> <1891258.oXRopaRrxD@p5915> <558B6011.5050608@bigpond.com> <1549742.0Ygox8eWM4@eden> Message-ID: <558B6500.4020200@bigpond.com> On 25/06/15 12:00, R.P. Charbonneau wrote: > amd64 are the correct packages as I use an Intel 64bit chip with the > same packages. > I originally thought that I had the correct iso file until I read this: Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon, Core 2). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead. Anyway, I will download yet another iso file and see how it goes. -- Regards, Phil From nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp Thu Jun 25 03:11:25 2015 From: nyuwa at hb.tp1.jp (Thomas Blasejewicz) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:11:25 +0900 Subject: kradio setup In-Reply-To: <2226958.Euzd3RdpOQ@p5915> References: <558A5493.4060000@hb.tp1.jp> <2226958.Euzd3RdpOQ@p5915> Message-ID: <558B715D.7020404@hb.tp1.jp> On 2015/06/24 16:04, Nils Kassube wrote: > Thomas wrote: >> Kradio needs the appropriate hardware to receive FM radio. >> >> >> Nils >> >> Thank you. Well, in that case. just forget about it. I was looking for a simple + EASY internet radio player. Under Windows I use "Screamer Radio" (freeware), click on one of the ca. 400 presets and just listen. Thomas From o.sinclair at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 03:40:59 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 05:40:59 +0200 Subject: kradio setup In-Reply-To: <558B715D.7020404@hb.tp1.jp> References: <558A5493.4060000@hb.tp1.jp> <2226958.Euzd3RdpOQ@p5915> <558B715D.7020404@hb.tp1.jp> Message-ID: <558B784B.7040006@gmail.com> On 25/06/2015 05:11, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > On 2015/06/24 16:04, Nils Kassube wrote: >> Thomas wrote: >>> Kradio needs the appropriate hardware to receive FM radio. >>> >>> >>> Nils >>> >>> > Thank you. > Well, in that case. just forget about it. > I was looking for a simple + EASY internet radio player. > Under Windows I use "Screamer Radio" (freeware), click on one of the ca. > 400 presets and just listen. > Thomas > There are a number of internet radio applications. Amarok can be used as can Clementine and there are also those (can not remember any at this moment) that focus entirely on internet radio From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 05:45:38 2015 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 06:45:38 +0100 Subject: Menu bar now missing In-Reply-To: <558B4A2B.1010807@bigpond.com> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> <1891258.oXRopaRrxD@p5915> <558B4A2B.1010807@bigpond.com> Message-ID: On 25 Jun 2015 01:25, "Phil" wrote: > > On 24/06/15 20:16, Nils Kassube wrote: >> >> Phil wrote: >>> >>> Kubuntu version 15.04 >>> >> >> In 15.04 there are files in "~/.kde", "~/.config" and "~/.local", so >> maybe you should try to rename the "~/.local" directory also. Other than >> that, you could right-click on the desktop and unlock widgets (if >> necessary). Then right-click on the desktop and add a default panel. >> > > Thank you Nils for your quick reply. > > Unfortunately, the situation has gone from bad to disastrous. To recap, I renamed .config, .kde, and .local. Now after a reboot I'm left with a black screen and a mouse cursor. .config, .kde and .local have been recreated and right clicking does nothing. The only access I have now is via ssh. > > As I said earlier Billie and O, this is not the fault of installing Google Earth. I had this same problem after fiddling with Bleachbit a month or so back but I was able to recover from that disaster. > > I really do not want to reinstall 15.04 again. I previously had 14.10 installed and I was very happy with it. I do not have the install disk now but I do have 14.04. Unfortunately, my desktop will not boot from the 14.04 DVD (the laptop will so the disk is not faulty) no doubt due to UEFI. No matter which boot option I try the DVD will not boot. > > So, what I need is Kubuntu 14.10 (which did boot from the DVD) but the only version I can find includes a Plasma version (4 or 5). Plasma may not be the problem but I do not want to waste more time on uncertainties. Does anyone know where I can download version 14.10 again? I thought of Bit Torrent but it could be a bit dicey. > > -- > Regards, > Phil Looks like 14.10 can be downloaded from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/utopic/release/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll sort this out some other time. -- Regards, Phil From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 19:19:28 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:19:28 -0500 Subject: k...u 15.04 crashed & burned Message-ID: Howdy Volcans, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians and Humans, I am using K...u for some times (I use it to do my research) and upgraded to 15.04 inspite all negative reviews. BUT, yesterday it crashed & burned, spend few hours trying to fix, then re-install, k...14.04, and NO upgrade for now. My 2 cents opinion ::: K...u 15.04 is unstable, untested and few more un...s. How it crashed: 1. logged in as me and worked for a while. 2. still logged on, switched user to allow a co-worker to show me something. finished logged out successfully. 3. machine froze with logging GUI - no mouse movement, only thing wa every few seconds the Hard.Disk light flashed. 4. shut down using on/off button. waited few minutes, restarted. 5. logging GUI allowed me to select a user and type password. the progress bar move to the end and backup a little and screen froze. 6. installed K...u 14.05 --- happy [?] working on my research. Cheers,, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Need a small database NOTE taking app, that I can copy a web page text or email text, and save that as a record. be able to print out and selected text records, and search records, and do sub searches.. 6. general office apps... and wireless printer support.. ------ Thanks Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Thu Jun 25 23:41:43 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:41:43 -0400 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1614860.0gCdyVk9ij@lark-latitude-d830> On Thursday, June 25, 2015 07:12:54 PM Rick wrote: > Well, after the Windows 10 icon pops up, telling me to upgrade . . . > I started thinking, I not going to pay a subscription fee to MS.. heck no. > > But, I been looking around the net, trying to find a linux distro, > that has: > > 1. Secure ( From THEME, and Malware..etc..etc..etc.. ) > 2. Privacy ( From THEME, and Spyware...etc.etc..etc. ) > 3. Audio Media Playback... mp3, flac..and all other lossless formats > meta data editing..etc. > 4. Video Media Playback.... mkv.. ogg..DVD...etc..etc. > 5. Need a small database NOTE taking app, that I can copy a web page > text or email text, > and save that as a record. be able to print out and selected text > records, and search records, > and do sub searches.. > > 6. general office apps... and wireless printer support.. > > ------ > > Thanks > Rick Most distros are pretty much equal in these regards. -- Clay Weber From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 26 00:21:22 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:21:22 -0500 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <1614860.0gCdyVk9ij@lark-latitude-d830> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <1614860.0gCdyVk9ij@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <558C9B02.2090409@swbell.net> On 06/25/2015 06:41 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > On Thursday, June 25, 2015 07:12:54 PM Rick wrote: >> Well, after the Windows 10 icon pops up, telling me to upgrade . . . >> I started thinking, I not going to pay a subscription fee to MS.. heck no. >> >> But, I been looking around the net, trying to find a linux distro, >> that has: >> >> 1. Secure ( From THEME, and Malware..etc..etc..etc.. ) >> 2. Privacy ( From THEME, and Spyware...etc.etc..etc. ) >> 3. Audio Media Playback... mp3, flac..and all other lossless formats >> meta data editing..etc. >> 4. Video Media Playback.... mkv.. ogg..DVD...etc..etc. >> 5. Need a small database NOTE taking app, that I can copy a web page >> text or email text, >> and save that as a record. be able to print out and selected text >> records, and search records, >> and do sub searches.. >> >> 6. general office apps... and wireless printer support.. >> >> ------ >> >> Thanks >> Rick > Most distros are pretty much equal in these regards. > For recent Windows users I usually recommend Kubuntu. IMNSHO, Kubuntu is familiar enough Windows users can find their way around without to much trouble. There WILL be a learning curve. Program names can be a bit weired at first for instance. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 00:28:36 2015 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:28:36 -0400 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558C9B02.2090409@swbell.net> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <1614860.0gCdyVk9ij@lark-latitude-d830> <558C9B02.2090409@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1549957.4RD0bgUdgl@kubuntupad> On Thursday, June 25, 2015 07:21:22 PM Billie Walsh wrote: > On 06/25/2015 06:41 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > > On Thursday, June 25, 2015 07:12:54 PM Rick wrote: > >> Well, after the Windows 10 icon pops up, telling me to upgrade . . . > >> I started thinking, I not going to pay a subscription fee to MS.. heck > >> no. > >> > >> But, I been looking around the net, trying to find a linux distro, > >> that has: > >> > >> 1. Secure ( From THEME, and Malware..etc..etc..etc.. ) > >> 2. Privacy ( From THEME, and Spyware...etc.etc..etc. ) > >> 3. Audio Media Playback... mp3, flac..and all other lossless formats > >> meta data editing..etc. > >> 4. Video Media Playback.... mkv.. ogg..DVD...etc..etc. > >> 5. Need a small database NOTE taking app, that I can copy a web page > >> text or email text, > >> and save that as a record. be able to print out and selected text > >> records, and search records, > >> and do sub searches.. > >> > >> 6. general office apps... and wireless printer support.. > >> > >> ------ > >> > >> Thanks > >> Rick > > > > Most distros are pretty much equal in these regards. > > For recent Windows users I usually recommend Kubuntu. IMNSHO, Kubuntu is > familiar enough Windows users can find their way around without to much > trouble. There WILL be a learning curve. Program names can be a bit > weired at first for instance. I moved my father to Kubuntu 14.04 LTS with no real problems from Windows 8. It has been a fairly smooth transition for him with working Fax/Scanner/Printer support :) -- Kubuntu Manual Team Leader: Aaron Honeycutt User Support List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Developer List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel From cody.smith9202 at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 00:29:30 2015 From: cody.smith9202 at gmail.com (Cody Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:29:30 -0700 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558C9B02.2090409@swbell.net> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <1614860.0gCdyVk9ij@lark-latitude-d830> <558C9B02.2090409@swbell.net> Message-ID: Just to clear up some confusion, but M$ has said Windows 10 isn't going to be subscription based. so those jumping ship just for that and leaving a working system are doing so for no reason. That's not to say linux doesn't make for a great OS, but there's a point where you have to realize you've gotta use what works best for ya (be it Linux, BSD, Haiku, Windows, OS X or some insanely obscure OS) --c_smith On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 06/25/2015 06:41 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > >> On Thursday, June 25, 2015 07:12:54 PM Rick wrote: >> >>> Well, after the Windows 10 icon pops up, telling me to upgrade . . . >>> I started thinking, I not going to pay a subscription fee to MS.. heck >>> no. >>> >>> But, I been looking around the net, trying to find a linux distro, >>> that has: >>> >>> 1. Secure ( From THEME, and Malware..etc..etc..etc.. ) >>> 2. Privacy ( From THEME, and Spyware...etc.etc..etc. ) >>> 3. Audio Media Playback... mp3, flac..and all other lossless formats >>> meta data editing..etc. >>> 4. Video Media Playback.... mkv.. ogg..DVD...etc..etc. >>> 5. Need a small database NOTE taking app, that I can copy a web page >>> text or email text, >>> and save that as a record. be able to print out and selected text >>> records, and search records, >>> and do sub searches.. >>> >>> 6. general office apps... and wireless printer support.. >>> >>> ------ >>> >>> Thanks >>> Rick >>> >> Most distros are pretty much equal in these regards. >> >> > For recent Windows users I usually recommend Kubuntu. IMNSHO, Kubuntu is > familiar enough Windows users can find their way around without to much > trouble. There WILL be a learning curve. Program names can be a bit weired > at first for instance. > > -- > A cat is a puzzle with no solution. > > Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. > > When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil_lor at bigpond.com Fri Jun 26 01:19:22 2015 From: phil_lor at bigpond.com (Phil) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:19:22 +1000 Subject: k...u 15.04 crashed & burned In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <558CA89A.2050800@bigpond.com> On 26/06/15 05:19, Joshua Robinson wrote: > > Howdy Volcans, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians and Humans, > > I am using K...u for some times (I use it to do my research) and > upgraded to 15.04 inspite all negative reviews. BUT, yesterday it > crashed & burned, spend few hours trying to fix, then re-install, > k...14.04, and NO upgrade for now. > > My 2 cents opinion ::: K...u 15.04 is unstable, untested and few more > un...s. > > How it crashed: > 1. logged in as me and worked for a while. > 2. still logged on, switched user to allow a co-worker to show me > something. finished logged out successfully. > 3. machine froze with logging GUI - no mouse movement, only thing wa > every few seconds the Hard.Disk light flashed. > 4. shut down using on/off button. waited few minutes, restarted. > 5. logging GUI allowed me to select a user and type password. the > progress bar move to the end and backup a little and screen froze. > 6. installed K...u 14.05 --- happy working on my research. > Very similar to the symptoms that I had described. Version 14.10 is working well for me. -- Regards, Phil From o.sinclair at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 04:38:46 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 06:38:46 +0200 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <558CD756.4050509@gmail.com> On 26/06/2015 01:12, Rick wrote: > Well, after the Windows 10 icon pops up, telling me to upgrade . . . > I started thinking, I not going to pay a subscription fee to MS.. heck no. > > But, I been looking around the net, trying to find a linux distro, > that has: > > 1. Secure ( From THEME, and Malware..etc..etc..etc.. ) > 2. Privacy ( From THEME, and Spyware...etc.etc..etc. ) > 3. Audio Media Playback... mp3, flac..and all other lossless formats > meta data editing..etc. > 4. Video Media Playback.... mkv.. ogg..DVD...etc..etc. > 5. Need a small database NOTE taking app, that I can copy a web page > text or email text, > and save that as a record. be able to print out and selected text > records, and search records, > and do sub searches.. > > 6. general office apps... and wireless printer support.. > > I would go either Kubuntu 14.10, Lubuntu or Elementary OS From kde.lists at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 04:51:53 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 06:51:53 +0200 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <1614860.0gCdyVk9ij@lark-latitude-d830> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <1614860.0gCdyVk9ij@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <20150626065153.41188052@archlinux> On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:41:43 -0400, Clay Weber wrote: >Most distros are pretty much equal in these regards. True, but Ubuntu is one of the few distros you can not trust. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html From rjlapham at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 05:16:42 2015 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:16:42 -0400 Subject: Where's Create New on KDE 4.13.3 desktop? Message-ID: <1854834.L7pXFkUTRu@jerry-hp> I installed Kubuntu 14.04.2 on a new computer and there's no Create New, etc. on the right-click menu on the desktop. It's on my old computer which is also 14.04 which had been upgraded from 12.04. Where'd it go? -Jerry ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Women should not have children after 35. Really . . . 35 children are enough. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Fri Jun 26 05:27:42 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:27:42 -0400 Subject: Where's Create New on KDE 4.13.3 desktop? In-Reply-To: <1854834.L7pXFkUTRu@jerry-hp> References: <1854834.L7pXFkUTRu@jerry-hp> Message-ID: <1525860.oJ2ru3bH3v@lark-latitude-d830> On Friday, June 26, 2015 01:16:42 AM Jerry Lapham wrote: > I installed Kubuntu 14.04.2 on a new computer and there's no Create New, > etc. on the right-click menu on the desktop. It's on my old computer > which is also 14.04 which had been upgraded from 12.04. > > Where'd it go? > > -Jerry > ============================================= > Jerry Lapham > Monroe, OH 45050 > rjlapham at gmail.com > ============================================= > Women should not have children after 35. Really . . . 35 children are > enough. The "standard" desktop layout in KDE does not have this, you need to use the "Folder View" desktop layout. Right-click somewhere on your desktop, go to Desktop Settings, and change it from there. -- Clay Weber From gkourtev at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 06:27:23 2015 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:27:23 +0300 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> On Thursday 25 June 2015 19:12:54 Rick wrote: > Well, after the Windows 10 icon pops up, telling me to upgrade . . . > I started thinking, I not going to pay a subscription fee to MS.. heck no. > > But, I been looking around the net, trying to find a linux distro, > that has: > > 1. Secure ( From THEME, and Malware..etc..etc..etc.. ) > 2. Privacy ( From THEME, and Spyware...etc.etc..etc. ) > 3. Audio Media Playback... mp3, flac..and all other lossless formats > meta data editing..etc. > 4. Video Media Playback.... mkv.. ogg..DVD...etc..etc. > 5. Need a small database NOTE taking app, that I can copy a web page > text or email text, > and save that as a record. be able to print out and selected text > records, and search records, > and do sub searches.. > > 6. general office apps... and wireless printer support.. > > ------ > > Thanks > Rick I would strongly recommend Kubuntu. I moved from Windows to Kubuntu back in 2008 and it was so much intuitive and easy to use so now almost all of my PC (incl my office) run on it. Nice graphics, not resource consuming, very secure and excellent for network jobs. It has all needed applications you can need. Kubuntu has matured a lot in recent years and these days practically you do not need to go the the average user scary terminal to do tings -- all is pretty much graphical. Try and I am sure you would never look back to Windows. gk From luca at ventoso.org Fri Jun 26 07:41:34 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:41:34 +0200 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> El 26/06/15 a les 08:27, Georgi Kourtev ha escrit: > I would strongly recommend Kubuntu. I moved from Windows to Kubuntu back in > 2008 and it was so much intuitive and easy to use so now almost all of my PC > (incl my office) run on it. Nice graphics, not resource consuming, very secure > and excellent for network jobs. It has all needed applications you can need. > > Kubuntu has matured a lot in recent years and these days practically you do > not need to go the the average user scary terminal to do tings -- all is > pretty much graphical. Try and I am sure you would never look back to > Windows. Maybe that's true for previous versions. 15.05 comes with a kde version that's, to say it in a nice way, "highly experimental" (which is an euphemism to say that almost nothing works as it should). Give mageia a try, version 5 is just out and it's quite nice. Bye -- Luca From girardhenri at free.fr Fri Jun 26 08:37:05 2015 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:37:05 +0200 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> Message-ID: <558D0F31.7010406@free.fr> I use ubuntumate 15.10 (alpha) but all works fine. I installed w10, but I am happy with it ! tooç slow (i have 8x amd and 16 Go ram). All ubuntu are very stable from 14.04 to 15.04. My interest in linux is I like to use Not_mac theme old one which works fine with mate. If you don't need window professionnaly forget about it it's getting worse and worse each edition ! cheers Le 26/06/2015 08:27, Georgi Kourtev a écrit : > On Thursday 25 June 2015 19:12:54 Rick wrote: >> Well, after the Windows 10 icon pops up, telling me to upgrade . . . >> I started thinking, I not going to pay a subscription fee to MS.. heck no. >> >> But, I been looking around the net, trying to find a linux distro, >> that has: >> >> 1. Secure ( From THEME, and Malware..etc..etc..etc.. ) >> 2. Privacy ( From THEME, and Spyware...etc.etc..etc. ) >> 3. Audio Media Playback... mp3, flac..and all other lossless formats >> meta data editing..etc. >> 4. Video Media Playback.... mkv.. ogg..DVD...etc..etc. >> 5. Need a small database NOTE taking app, that I can copy a web page >> text or email text, >> and save that as a record. be able to print out and selected text >> records, and search records, >> and do sub searches.. >> >> 6. general office apps... and wireless printer support.. >> >> ------ >> >> Thanks >> Rick > > I would strongly recommend Kubuntu. I moved from Windows to Kubuntu back in > 2008 and it was so much intuitive and easy to use so now almost all of my PC > (incl my office) run on it. Nice graphics, not resource consuming, very secure > and excellent for network jobs. It has all needed applications you can need. > > Kubuntu has matured a lot in recent years and these days practically you do > not need to go the the average user scary terminal to do tings -- all is > pretty much graphical. Try and I am sure you would never look back to > Windows. > gk > From girardhenri at free.fr Fri Jun 26 08:40:03 2015 From: girardhenri at free.fr (Girard Henri) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:40:03 +0200 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> Message-ID: <558D0FE3.8060601@free.fr> Mageia, maybe nice but not many applications All linux can be as nice as you want as you can personnalize it !! lol Nice is not really a referrence, the way you install softs, the way you can compile (ubuntu very easy for most softs) don't forget is a debian. Le 26/06/2015 09:41, Luca Olivetti a écrit : > El 26/06/15 a les 08:27, Georgi Kourtev ha escrit: > >> I would strongly recommend Kubuntu. I moved from Windows to Kubuntu >> back in >> 2008 and it was so much intuitive and easy to use so now almost all >> of my PC >> (incl my office) run on it. Nice graphics, not resource consuming, >> very secure >> and excellent for network jobs. It has all needed applications you >> can need. >> >> Kubuntu has matured a lot in recent years and these days practically >> you do >> not need to go the the average user scary terminal to do tings -- all is >> pretty much graphical. Try and I am sure you would never look back to >> Windows. > > Maybe that's true for previous versions. > 15.05 comes with a kde version that's, to say it in a nice way, > "highly experimental" (which is an euphemism to say that almost > nothing works as it should). > Give mageia a try, version 5 is just out and it's quite nice. > > Bye From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri Jun 26 12:15:13 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 07:15:13 -0500 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> Message-ID: <558D4251.20302@swbell.net> On 06/26/2015 02:41 AM, Luca Olivetti wrote: > El 26/06/15 a les 08:27, Georgi Kourtev ha escrit: > >> I would strongly recommend Kubuntu. I moved from Windows to Kubuntu >> back in >> 2008 and it was so much intuitive and easy to use so now almost all >> of my PC >> (incl my office) run on it. Nice graphics, not resource consuming, >> very secure >> and excellent for network jobs. It has all needed applications you >> can need. >> >> Kubuntu has matured a lot in recent years and these days practically >> you do >> not need to go the the average user scary terminal to do tings -- all is >> pretty much graphical. Try and I am sure you would never look back to >> Windows. > > Maybe that's true for previous versions. > 15.05 comes with a kde version that's, to say it in a nice way, > "highly experimental" (which is an euphemism to say that almost > nothing works as it should). > Give mageia a try, version 5 is just out and it's quite nice. > > Bye Being a relative newcomer to Linux, about 2000/2001, I tend to stick with the LTS versions, 14.04 is the latest. LTS versions are supported for five years but, I think, new LTS versions come out about every two years so next April should see the next LTS release. The LTS releases, as a general rule, are the most stable and bug free. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From luca at ventoso.org Fri Jun 26 16:53:45 2015 From: luca at ventoso.org (Luca Olivetti) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 18:53:45 +0200 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558D0FE3.8060601@free.fr> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> <558D0FE3.8060601@free.fr> Message-ID: <558D8399.4020506@ventoso.org> El 26/06/15 a les 10:40, Girard Henri ha escrit: > Mageia, maybe nice but not many applications I wouldn't qualify as "not many" almost 2000 applications and 25000 packages. http://mageia.madb.org/package/list > All linux can be as nice as you want as you can personnalize it !! lol > Nice is not really a referrence, the way you install softs, the way you > can compile (ubuntu very easy for most softs) don't forget is a debian. While it is true that there are more pre-made packages in the debian world, mageia usually has everything you need. You can either use the graphical installer or urpmi if you prefer the command line (think of apt-get but for rpm), so I'd say both are equally easy. Regarding the ease of compilation, it depends on what you're used to: I've had no problem compiling from source under mageia, and since I know the basics of rpm packaging I usually know how to make or adapt a package. I cannot say the same for dpkg, but, as I said, it isn't a fault of the tools or the distribution, it's just a matter of familiarity. Anyway, after many years of using mageia (and mandrake/mandriva before that), I gave kubuntu a try (disclaimer: I have used debian/ubuntu on a couple of servers before, just for those rare applications that aren't packaged in mageia[*]) and I'm not sure I made the right choice: what good are millions of available packages if the basic desktop is riddled with problems? (and I have pretty thick skin regarding problems, I've been using Linux since you had to install it from a stack of floppy disks). Bad luck, bad timing, I don't know. I'm sure the bugs will be ironed out eventually, just not right now. Anyway, it's not my intention to start a distro war, so the only advice is to try several and stick with what works for you. [*] and even then, they're not packaged by debian/ubuntu but by the upstream project. Bye -- Luca From rjlapham at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 20:53:31 2015 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:53:31 -0400 Subject: Quicken in Wine Message-ID: <4126580.TOUPsWR3am@jerry-hp2> I can start Quicken on my old Kubuntu 14.04 system with the following: jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" When I try it on my new system I get the following errors? jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC80.MFC" (8.0.50727.762) err:module:import_dll Library MFC80.DLL (which is needed by L"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe") not found err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe" failed, status c0000135 jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ Why the difference? -Jerry ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= Women should not have children after 35. Really . . . 35 children are enough. From rev.olson at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 21:04:15 2015 From: rev.olson at gmail.com (Pastor JW) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:04:15 -0700 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558D4251.20302@swbell.net> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> <558D4251.20302@swbell.net> Message-ID: <558DBE4F.6040709@gmail.com> On 06/26/2015 05:15 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 06/26/2015 02:41 AM, Luca Olivetti wrote: >> El 26/06/15 a les 08:27, Georgi Kourtev ha escrit: >> >>> I would strongly recommend Kubuntu. I moved from Windows to Kubuntu >>> back in >>> 2008 and it was so much intuitive and easy to use so now almost all >>> of my PC >>> (incl my office) run on it. Nice graphics, not resource consuming, >>> very secure >>> and excellent for network jobs. It has all needed applications you >>> can need. >>> >>> Kubuntu has matured a lot in recent years and these days practically >>> you do >>> not need to go the the average user scary terminal to do tings -- >>> all is >>> pretty much graphical. Try and I am sure you would never look back to >>> Windows. >> >> Maybe that's true for previous versions. >> 15.05 comes with a kde version that's, to say it in a nice way, >> "highly experimental" (which is an euphemism to say that almost >> nothing works as it should). >> Give mageia a try, version 5 is just out and it's quite nice. >> >> Bye > > Being a relative newcomer to Linux, about 2000/2001, I tend to stick > with the LTS versions, 14.04 is the latest. LTS versions are supported > for five years but, I think, new LTS versions come out about every two > years so next April should see the next LTS release. The LTS releases, > as a general rule, are the most stable and bug free. > I agree LTS versions are the way to go if you are wanting a stable working version as opposed to experimentation type version. I need a solid working version for what I do and not a "bleeding edge" one. KDE is the best of them except when a brand new very buggy KDE version was included in a Ubuntu LTS distro. A bad move by the LTS guys who seem to think only the Gnome version matters. However, when Gnome updated they had the very same problems as they had with KDE a few years earlier. Really, LTS versions should never come out with unproven GUI overlays. KDE works much better than Gnome on hardware that is not the new latest and greatest every year. From buzzmandt at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 01:47:21 2015 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 21:47:21 -0400 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558DBE4F.6040709@gmail.com> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> <558D4251.20302@swbell.net> <558DBE4F.6040709@gmail.com> Message-ID: For a first time user I'd say Linux Mint KDE. You get KDE just like Kubuntu, all codecs previously installed and fully functional and is a bit more polished. On Jun 26, 2015 5:04 PM, "Pastor JW" wrote: > > > On 06/26/2015 05:15 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> On 06/26/2015 02:41 AM, Luca Olivetti wrote: >> >>> El 26/06/15 a les 08:27, Georgi Kourtev ha escrit: >>> >>> I would strongly recommend Kubuntu. I moved from Windows to Kubuntu >>>> back in >>>> 2008 and it was so much intuitive and easy to use so now almost all of >>>> my PC >>>> (incl my office) run on it. Nice graphics, not resource consuming, >>>> very secure >>>> and excellent for network jobs. It has all needed applications you can >>>> need. >>>> >>>> Kubuntu has matured a lot in recent years and these days practically >>>> you do >>>> not need to go the the average user scary terminal to do tings -- all is >>>> pretty much graphical. Try and I am sure you would never look back to >>>> Windows. >>>> >>> >>> Maybe that's true for previous versions. >>> 15.05 comes with a kde version that's, to say it in a nice way, "highly >>> experimental" (which is an euphemism to say that almost nothing works as it >>> should). >>> Give mageia a try, version 5 is just out and it's quite nice. >>> >>> Bye >>> >> >> Being a relative newcomer to Linux, about 2000/2001, I tend to stick with >> the LTS versions, 14.04 is the latest. LTS versions are supported for five >> years but, I think, new LTS versions come out about every two years so next >> April should see the next LTS release. The LTS releases, as a general rule, >> are the most stable and bug free. >> >> I agree LTS versions are the way to go if you are wanting a stable > working version as opposed to experimentation type version. I need a solid > working version for what I do and not a "bleeding edge" one. KDE is the > best of them except when a brand new very buggy KDE version was included in > a Ubuntu LTS distro. A bad move by the LTS guys who seem to think only the > Gnome version matters. However, when Gnome updated they had the very same > problems as they had with KDE a few years earlier. Really, LTS versions > should never come out with unproven GUI overlays. KDE works much better > than Gnome on hardware that is not the new latest and greatest every year. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nolantyr at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 05:25:30 2015 From: nolantyr at gmail.com (Nolan) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:25:30 +1000 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> References: <558A784C.7020604@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <558E33CA.1000106@gmail.com> unsubscribe On 24/06/15 19:28, Phil wrote: > Thank you for reading this. > > Kubuntu version 15.04 > > After installing Google Earth the desktop background turned black so I > rebooted the system. On restart the menu bar (the bar that should be > across the bottom of the screen) is now missing. This had occurred > recently, and had nothing to do with Google Earth, so I reinstalled > Kubuntu. > > That was a bit drastic and probably unnecessary because I seemed that > all I had to do was rename .kde to .kde_old to get things back into > shape. I had also renamed .config but I'm not sure if that was fix or > renaming .kde. > > Unfortunately, this time I don't have access to konsole because I > cannot access the menu. However, I can log in from a laptop using ssh > and I did rename .kde and it was recreated after a reboot but the menu > bar is still missing. > > Any help to get this going again will be greatly appreciated. > > By the way, Thunderbird is the only application that is available to > me because it was open at the time of the problem. > From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 06:11:24 2015 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 08:11:24 +0200 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558DBE4F.6040709@gmail.com> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> <558D4251.20302@swbell.net> <558DBE4F.6040709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <558E3E8C.7080102@gmail.com> On 26/06/2015 23:04, Pastor JW wrote: > > > On 06/26/2015 05:15 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> On 06/26/2015 02:41 AM, Luca Olivetti wrote: >>> El 26/06/15 a les 08:27, Georgi Kourtev ha escrit: >>> >>>> I would strongly recommend Kubuntu. I moved from Windows to Kubuntu >>>> back in >>>> 2008 and it was so much intuitive and easy to use so now almost all >>>> of my PC >>>> (incl my office) run on it. Nice graphics, not resource consuming, >>>> very secure >>>> and excellent for network jobs. It has all needed applications you >>>> can need. >>>> >>>> Kubuntu has matured a lot in recent years and these days practically >>>> you do >>>> not need to go the the average user scary terminal to do tings -- >>>> all is >>>> pretty much graphical. Try and I am sure you would never look back to >>>> Windows. >>> >>> Maybe that's true for previous versions. >>> 15.05 comes with a kde version that's, to say it in a nice way, >>> "highly experimental" (which is an euphemism to say that almost >>> nothing works as it should). >>> Give mageia a try, version 5 is just out and it's quite nice. >>> >>> Bye >> >> Being a relative newcomer to Linux, about 2000/2001, I tend to stick >> with the LTS versions, 14.04 is the latest. LTS versions are supported >> for five years but, I think, new LTS versions come out about every two >> years so next April should see the next LTS release. The LTS releases, >> as a general rule, are the most stable and bug free. >> > I agree LTS versions are the way to go if you are wanting a stable > working version as opposed to experimentation type version. I need a > solid working version for what I do and not a "bleeding edge" one. KDE > is the best of them except when a brand new very buggy KDE version was > included in a Ubuntu LTS distro. A bad move by the LTS guys who seem to > think only the Gnome version matters. However, when Gnome updated they > had the very same problems as they had with KDE a few years earlier. > Really, LTS versions should never come out with unproven GUI overlays. > KDE works much better than Gnome on hardware that is not the new latest > and greatest every year. > As far as I know 14.04 is the LTS release and it uses the stable KDE4 (as does release 14.10). 15.04 is NOT an LTS release, neither will 15.10 be. Next expected LTS is 16.04 Kind regards, Sinclair From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 06:16:33 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 08:16:33 +0200 Subject: Linux Distro, with the following In-Reply-To: <558E3E8C.7080102@gmail.com> References: <558C8AF6.30705@gmail.com> <3098299.7ozjJHMlJj@gkourtev-laptop> <558D022E.7090002@ventoso.org> <558D4251.20302@swbell.net> <558DBE4F.6040709@gmail.com> <558E3E8C.7080102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20150627081633.14eb95fb@archlinux> On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 08:11:24 +0200, O. Sinclair wrote: >As far as I know 14.04 is the LTS release and it uses the stable KDE4 >(as does release 14.10). 15.04 is NOT an LTS release, neither will >15.10 be. Next expected LTS is 16.04 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 10:13:10 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 05:13:10 -0500 Subject: no transparent Message-ID: Howdy, I created a folder widget on k...u 14.05 desktop, but it's transparent. 1. How to make the folder untransportable ? 2. How to create a soft link to a program on the Desktop without creating a folder ? Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kde.lists at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 11:01:03 2015 From: kde.lists at yahoo.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:01:03 +0200 Subject: no transparent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1435402863.12542.12.camel@yahoo.com> On Sat, 2015-06-27 at 05:13 -0500, Joshua Robinson wrote: > 2. How to create a soft link to a program on the Desktop without > creating a folder ? $ cd ~/Desktop $ ln -s /usr/bin/true desktop_icon_name $ ln -s ~/Desktop/ desktop_icon_name_2 $ ls -hAl total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 13 Jun 27 12:41 desktop_icon_name -> /usr/bin/true lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 26 Jun 27 12:43 desktop_icon_name_2 -> /home/rocketmouse/Desktop/ I don't use a desktop, so to see icons I need to take a look with a file manager. SpaceFM shows a folder for the link to the Desktop folder and a binary icon for the link to /usr/bin/true. It likely depends on the target what icon is used. If I use Rodent instead of SpaceFM it's the same. IOW assumed the target is a "program", the icon likely automagically is a binary icon and if the target is a folder, the icon is a folder icon. JFTR even $ ln -s /usr/bin/qupzilla Qt_version_of_Firefox get's a binary icon. If you want to get the icon of QupZilla instead, then you need to add a launcher or what ever it's named by the used desktop environment. For KDE likely plasma-launcher-thingy :D. From clay at claydoh.com Sat Jun 27 17:08:42 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:08:42 -0400 Subject: no transparent In-Reply-To: <1435402863.12542.12.camel@yahoo.com> References: <1435402863.12542.12.camel@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2058673.USWTQ1Texb@lark-latitude-d830> On Saturday, June 27, 2015 01:01:03 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2015-06-27 at 05:13 -0500, Joshua Robinson wrote: > > 2. How to create a soft link to a program on the Desktop without > > creating a folder ? > > $ cd ~/Desktop > $ ln -s /usr/bin/true desktop_icon_name > $ ln -s ~/Desktop/ desktop_icon_name_2 > $ ls -hAl > total 0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 13 Jun 27 12:41 desktop_icon_name -> > /usr/bin/true lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 26 Jun 27 12:43 > desktop_icon_name_2 -> /home/rocketmouse/Desktop/ > > I don't use a desktop, so to see icons I need to take a look with a > file manager. SpaceFM shows a folder for the link to the Desktop folder > and a binary icon for the link to /usr/bin/true. It likely depends on > the target what icon is used. If I use Rodent instead of SpaceFM it's > the same. IOW assumed the target is a "program", the icon likely > automagically is a binary icon and if the target is a folder, the icon > is a folder icon. > > JFTR even > > $ ln -s /usr/bin/qupzilla Qt_version_of_Firefox > > get's a binary icon. If you want to get the icon of QupZilla instead, > then you need to add a launcher or what ever it's named by the used > desktop environment. For KDE likely plasma-launcher-thingy :D. As a default KDE desktop does not actually show the ~/desktop folder as the desktop, this does not really work. If you desire an icon on your desktop that launches a program, the first thing to try is to simply drag the menu icon for it from the kmenu and drop it in the desktop, or right-click on the entry and choose "add to desktop" If you want a full-on classic files-and-folders-on-your-desktop, you can switch your current layout to that by right-clicking on your desktop, go to Desktop Settings, and switch to the Folder View layout. Not 100% sure exactly what it is called or exactly where it is positioned in 14.04, but it will be easily found. As to the folder widget, you have to change plasma themes to one that has a non-transparent widget background, or turn off compositing/desktop effects. -- Clay Weber p.s. -- it is OK to actually spell out the word 'Kubuntu' ;) From shooki.robinson at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 17:50:01 2015 From: shooki.robinson at gmail.com (Joshua Robinson) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:50:01 -0500 Subject: no transparent In-Reply-To: <2058673.USWTQ1Texb@lark-latitude-d830> References: <1435402863.12542.12.camel@yahoo.com> <2058673.USWTQ1Texb@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: Thanks. Cheers, -Joshua Robinson "Live long and prosper" On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Clay Weber wrote: > On Saturday, June 27, 2015 01:01:03 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 2015-06-27 at 05:13 -0500, Joshua Robinson wrote: > > > 2. How to create a soft link to a program on the Desktop without > > > creating a folder ? > > > > $ cd ~/Desktop > > $ ln -s /usr/bin/true desktop_icon_name > > $ ln -s ~/Desktop/ desktop_icon_name_2 > > $ ls -hAl > > total 0 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 13 Jun 27 12:41 desktop_icon_name -> > > /usr/bin/true lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 26 Jun 27 12:43 > > desktop_icon_name_2 -> /home/rocketmouse/Desktop/ > > > > I don't use a desktop, so to see icons I need to take a look with a > > file manager. SpaceFM shows a folder for the link to the Desktop folder > > and a binary icon for the link to /usr/bin/true. It likely depends on > > the target what icon is used. If I use Rodent instead of SpaceFM it's > > the same. IOW assumed the target is a "program", the icon likely > > automagically is a binary icon and if the target is a folder, the icon > > is a folder icon. > > > > JFTR even > > > > $ ln -s /usr/bin/qupzilla Qt_version_of_Firefox > > > > get's a binary icon. If you want to get the icon of QupZilla instead, > > then you need to add a launcher or what ever it's named by the used > > desktop environment. For KDE likely plasma-launcher-thingy :D. > > As a default KDE desktop does not actually show the ~/desktop folder as > the > desktop, this does not really work. > > If you desire an icon on your desktop that launches a program, the first > thing > to try is to simply drag the menu icon for it from the kmenu and drop it in > the desktop, or right-click on the entry and choose "add to desktop" > > If you want a full-on classic files-and-folders-on-your-desktop, you can > switch your current layout to that by right-clicking on your desktop, go to > Desktop Settings, and switch to the Folder View layout. Not 100% sure > exactly > what it is called or exactly where it is positioned in 14.04, but it will > be > easily found. > > > As to the folder widget, you have to change plasma themes to one that has > a > non-transparent widget background, or turn off compositing/desktop effects. > > -- > Clay Weber > > p.s. -- it is OK to actually spell out the word 'Kubuntu' ;) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jf_byrnes at comcast.net Sat Jun 27 19:29:50 2015 From: jf_byrnes at comcast.net (Jim Byrnes) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:29:50 -0500 Subject: Errors when trying to install atom Message-ID: I am evaluating kubuntu14.04 in virtual box on my Ubuntu 12.04 system. I came across an editor called atom and decided this would be a good place to test it. Following the instructions on the atom website produced the following errors: jfb at Kubuntu14-04:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i atom-amd64.deb Selecting previously unselected package atom. (Reading database ... 201246 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack atom-amd64.deb ... Unpacking atom (1.0.0) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of atom: atom depends on git; however: Package git is not installed. atom depends on libnotify4; however: Package libnotify4 is not installed. atom depends on gvfs-bin; however: Package gvfs-bin is not installed. dpkg: error processing package atom (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Processing triggers for mime-support (3.54ubuntu1.1) ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu1) ... Errors were encountered while processing: atom jfb at Kubuntu14-04:~/Downloads$ I searched Muon but found none of the packages I needed. I haven't been trying out kubuntu for that long so I don't know the best way to proceed. Thanks, Jim From kassube at gmx.net Sat Jun 27 20:25:36 2015 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 22:25:36 +0200 Subject: Errors when trying to install atom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1916970.bpeJUSccGP@p5915> Jim Byrnes wrote: > I am evaluating kubuntu14.04 in virtual box on my Ubuntu 12.04 system. > I came across an editor called atom and decided this would be a good > place to test it. Following the instructions on the atom website > produced the following errors: > jfb at Kubuntu14-04:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i atom-amd64.deb > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of atom: > atom depends on git; however: > Package git is not installed. > atom depends on libnotify4; however: > Package libnotify4 is not installed. > atom depends on gvfs-bin; however: > Package gvfs-bin is not installed. > I searched Muon but found none of the packages I needed. I haven't > been trying out kubuntu for that long so I don't know the best way to > proceed. The packages are available in the 14.04 repos, therefore you could open a terminal (konsole) and use the command sudo apt-get install git libnotify4 gvfs-bin or maybe sudo apt-get install -f is sufficient. BTW: IIRC, muon doesn't show all available packages. It would be better to use synaptic instead. I think there is also a package muon-something which is supposed to do the same, but I can't remember which package that would be. Nils From jf_byrnes at comcast.net Sat Jun 27 23:44:10 2015 From: jf_byrnes at comcast.net (Jim Byrnes) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:44:10 -0500 Subject: Errors when trying to install atom In-Reply-To: <1916970.bpeJUSccGP@p5915> References: <1916970.bpeJUSccGP@p5915> Message-ID: On 06/27/2015 03:25 PM, Nils Kassube wrote: > Jim Byrnes wrote: >> I am evaluating kubuntu14.04 in virtual box on my Ubuntu 12.04 system. >> I came across an editor called atom and decided this would be a good >> place to test it. Following the instructions on the atom website >> produced the following errors: > >> jfb at Kubuntu14-04:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i atom-amd64.deb > >> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of atom: >> atom depends on git; however: >> Package git is not installed. >> atom depends on libnotify4; however: >> Package libnotify4 is not installed. >> atom depends on gvfs-bin; however: >> Package gvfs-bin is not installed. > >> I searched Muon but found none of the packages I needed. I haven't >> been trying out kubuntu for that long so I don't know the best way to >> proceed. > > The packages are available in the 14.04 repos, therefore you could open > a terminal (konsole) and use the command > > sudo apt-get install git libnotify4 gvfs-bin > > or maybe > > sudo apt-get install -f These two commands together fixed the problem. > is sufficient. BTW: IIRC, muon doesn't show all available packages. It > would be better to use synaptic instead. I think there is also a package > muon-something which is supposed to do the same, but I can't remember > which package that would be. > Definitely different than straight Ubuntu. After I tried Moun Discover with no hits the Moun Update Manager popped up on its own. It displayed a bunch of updates available including the 3 packages I had searched for. When I clicked on update all after a bit it reported an error but clicking on the details button did not produce any details of the error. I tried again but just choose the first package and that worked. At that point a different style list box popped up and offered more updates, This time all the updates processed ok. > Nils Thanks for the help Nils Regards, Jim From clay at claydoh.com Sun Jun 28 17:51:06 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:51:06 -0400 Subject: Quicken in Wine In-Reply-To: <4126580.TOUPsWR3am@jerry-hp2> References: <4126580.TOUPsWR3am@jerry-hp2> Message-ID: <2751957.MkOdQ7B0g5@lark-latitude-d830> On Friday, June 26, 2015 04:53:31 PM Jerry Lapham wrote: > I can start Quicken on my old Kubuntu 14.04 system with the following: > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files > (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > > When I try it on my new system I get the following errors? > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files > (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly > L"Microsoft.VC80.MFC" (8.0.50727.762) > err:module:import_dll Library MFC80.DLL (which is needed by L"C:\\Program > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe") not found > err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"C:\\Program > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe" failed, status c0000135 > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ > > Why the difference? > > > -Jerry > ============================================= > Jerry Lapham > Monroe, OH 45050 > rjlapham at gmail.com > ============================================= > Women should not have children after 35. Really . . . 35 children are > enough. You need to install whatever provides the MFC80.DLL, probably vcrun2005 or similar. If you have winetricks, it should provide this as an item to install.. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=107 -- Clay Weber From rick0009 at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 18:50:38 2015 From: rick0009 at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:50:38 -0400 Subject: KDE ? Message-ID: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. -Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 19:09:13 2015 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:09:13 -0400 Subject: Quicken in Wine In-Reply-To: <2751957.MkOdQ7B0g5@lark-latitude-d830> References: <4126580.TOUPsWR3am@jerry-hp2> <2751957.MkOdQ7B0g5@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: Or you could just install kmymoney and import quicken files into it and not worry about it any longer. I mean it is an option. On Jun 28, 2015 1:51 PM, "Clay Weber" wrote: > On Friday, June 26, 2015 04:53:31 PM Jerry Lapham wrote: > > I can start Quicken on my old Kubuntu 14.04 system with the following: > > > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program > Files > > (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > > > > When I try it on my new system I get the following errors? > > > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program > Files > > (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > > fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly > > L"Microsoft.VC80.MFC" (8.0.50727.762) > > err:module:import_dll Library MFC80.DLL (which is needed by L"C:\\Program > > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe") not found > > err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"C:\\Program > > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe" failed, status c0000135 > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ > > > > Why the difference? > > > > > > -Jerry > > ============================================= > > Jerry Lapham > > Monroe, OH 45050 > > rjlapham at gmail.com > > ============================================= > > Women should not have children after 35. Really . . . 35 children are > > enough. > > You need to install whatever provides the MFC80.DLL, probably vcrun2005 or > similar. If you have winetricks, it should provide this as an item to > install.. > > https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=107 > > > > -- > Clay Weber > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Jun 28 19:18:14 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:18:14 -0500 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55904876.3030909@swbell.net> On 06/28/2015 01:50 PM, Rick wrote: > I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , > or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. > > -Rick > > > Seems I heard a rumble a while back about wishing to make Kubuntu an independent distro. Seems there were more people against it than for it. There's been quite a lot of talk on the list about how Plasma 5 is not ready for prime time just yet. that's about all I've heard. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From clay at claydoh.com Mon Jun 29 00:44:41 2015 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 20:44:41 -0400 Subject: Quicken in Wine In-Reply-To: References: <4126580.TOUPsWR3am@jerry-hp2> <2751957.MkOdQ7B0g5@lark-latitude-d830> Message-ID: <1450506.kzeahCP6Ae@lark-latitude-d830> I wonder why I didn't suggest this myself, especially as I finally got the latest version of KMM built for Trusty https://launchpad.net/~claydoh/+archive/ubuntu/kmymoney2-kde4 On Sunday, June 28, 2015 03:09:13 PM James Cain wrote: > Or you could just install kmymoney and import quicken files into it and not > worry about it any longer. I mean it is an option. > > On Jun 28, 2015 1:51 PM, "Clay Weber" wrote: > > On Friday, June 26, 2015 04:53:31 PM Jerry Lapham wrote: > > > I can start Quicken on my old Kubuntu 14.04 system with the following: > > > > > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program > > > > Files > > > > > (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > > > > > > When I try it on my new system I get the following errors? > > > > > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program > > > > Files > > > > > (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > > > fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly > > > L"Microsoft.VC80.MFC" (8.0.50727.762) > > > err:module:import_dll Library MFC80.DLL (which is needed by > > > L"C:\\Program > > > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe") not found > > > err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"C:\\Program > > > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe" failed, status c0000135 > > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ > > > > > > Why the difference? > > > > > > > > > -Jerry > > > ============================================= > > > Jerry Lapham > > > Monroe, OH 45050 > > > rjlapham at gmail.com > > > ============================================= > > > Women should not have children after 35. Really . . . 35 children are > > > enough. > > > > You need to install whatever provides the MFC80.DLL, probably vcrun2005 or > > similar. If you have winetricks, it should provide this as an item to > > install.. > > > > https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=107 > > > > > > > > -- > > Clay Weber > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- Clay Weber From ralsa at openmailbox.org Mon Jun 29 08:40:48 2015 From: ralsa at openmailbox.org (Carlos A.F.) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:40:48 +0200 Subject: It is not possible to report bugs using In-Reply-To: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1809140.onQvpdJkTK@anibal> I can't report bugs, in 15.04 and 15.10. When I try to use the assistent it crashes and show me this message: Sorry kdeinit5 was closed unexpectedly You can not report this error because kdeinit not provide an address error report Executable: kdeinit5 PID: 19004 Señal: Segmentation fault (11) Hora: 29/6/15 10:32:32 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralsa at openmailbox.org Mon Jun 29 13:55:54 2015 From: ralsa at openmailbox.org (Carlos A.F.) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:55:54 +0200 Subject: Some applications doesn't minimize to systray Message-ID: <11045311.FVVc3fh2u3@anibal> Like 15.04, in 15.10 some applications (like Amule or Telegram) does'nt minimize to tray.The icons appears on the left up corner of the screen. From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Mon Jun 29 18:14:05 2015 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:14:05 -0400 Subject: Quicken in Wine In-Reply-To: <4126580.TOUPsWR3am@jerry-hp2> References: <4126580.TOUPsWR3am@jerry-hp2> Message-ID: <1599731.0BpRBaH7iN@kirk> Did you install the correct version(s) of Visual C++ Runtime(s) using winetricks? That is what googling the first error message seems to say: https://www.google.com/search?q=fixme%3Aactctx%3Aparse_depend_manifests+Could+not+find+dependent+assembly&gws_rd=ssl Alan On Friday, June 26, 2015 4:53:31 PM Jerry Lapham wrote: > I can start Quicken on my old Kubuntu 14.04 system with the following: > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files > (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > > When I try it on my new system I get the following errors? > > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ env WINEPREFIX="/home/jerry/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files > (x86)\Quicken\qw.exe" > fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly > L"Microsoft.VC80.MFC" (8.0.50727.762) > err:module:import_dll Library MFC80.DLL (which is needed by L"C:\\Program > Files (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe") not found > err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"C:\\Program Files > (x86)\\Quicken\\qw.exe" failed, status c0000135 > jerry at JERRY-HP2:~$ > > Why the difference? > > > -Jerry > ============================================= > Jerry Lapham > Monroe, OH 45050 > rjlapham at gmail.com > ============================================= > Women should not have children after 35. Really . . . 35 children are enough. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Tue Jun 30 16:13:03 2015 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:13:03 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: > I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , > or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. > > -Rick > All I've heard is from this article: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying-State I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in their own direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. That causes problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue-haired stepchild and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being forced to resign from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused irreparable harm and deep seated distrust. Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From buzzmandt at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 16:53:07 2015 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:53:07 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> Message-ID: So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any suggestions Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases opensuse seems like the best candidate for me needs apt and/or apt-get command line Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but what happens to it now?) I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it so. On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Alan Dacey (grokit) < grokit at ajinfosearch.com> wrote: > On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: > > > I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , > > > or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. > > > > > > -Rick > > > > > > > All I've heard is from this article: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying-State > > > > I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in their own > direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. That causes > problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. > > > > KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue-haired stepchild > and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being forced to resign > from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused irreparable harm and deep > seated distrust. > > > > Alan > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- *Admin, My Summerfield Farmmysummerfieldfarm.com admin at mysymmerfieldfarm.com * Admin, North Greene High School Band nghsband.com admin at nghsband.com Admin, Friends of Davy Crockett Birthplace State Park crockettfriends.com admin at crockettfriends.com *Admin, Historic Threadshistoricthreads.com admin at historicthreads.com Admin, Trombley Constructiontrombleyconstruction.com admin at trombleyconstruction.com * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestions > Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases > opensuse seems like the best candidate for me > needs apt and/or apt-get command line > Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but what > happens to it now?) > I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. > Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it so. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Alan Dacey (grokit) < > > grokit at ajinfosearch.com> wrote: > > On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: > > > I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , > > > > > > or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Rick > > > > All I've heard is from this article: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying-> > State > > > > > > > > I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in their own > > direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. That causes > > problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. > > > > > > > > KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue-haired stepchild > > and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being forced to resign > > from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused irreparable harm and deep > > seated distrust. > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Hello. Your can try Mageia 5. Very stable and nice. Check here https://www.mageia.org/en/ From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 17:18:21 2015 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:18:21 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> Message-ID: <4912982.ChiyCn59Tz@kubuntupad> On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:53:07 PM Dale Trombley wrote: > So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any suggestions > Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases > opensuse seems like the best candidate for me > needs apt and/or apt-get command line > Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but what > happens to it now?) > I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. > Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it so. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Alan Dacey (grokit) < > > grokit at ajinfosearch.com> wrote: > > On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: > > > I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , > > > > > > or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Rick > > > > All I've heard is from this article: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying-> > State > > > > > > > > I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in their own > > direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. That causes > > problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. > > > > > > > > KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue-haired stepchild > > and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being forced to resign > > from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused irreparable harm and deep > > seated distrust. > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > -- > > kubuntu-users mailing list > > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Hey all we are working on bring a great 15.10 release out this October. -- Kubuntu Manual Team Leader: Aaron Honeycutt User Support List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users Developer List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel From gheskett at wdtv.com Tue Jun 30 17:27:37 2015 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:27:37 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> Message-ID: <201506301327.37693.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Tuesday 30 June 2015 12:53:07 Dale Trombley wrote: > So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any suggestions > Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases > opensuse seems like the best candidate for me > needs apt and/or apt-get command line > Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but > what happens to it now?) > I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. > Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it > so. I hope you don't mind the commercial, but the best I've managed to setup recently was wheezy, killing/purging all of KDE, then installing all of "TDE", the Trinity Desktop Environment. Its a fork with some bugs swatted, of the end of the KDE 3.5 run. No surpises, once configured like you had kde 3 years ago, and it Just Works(TM). I'm using the version called r14. Love it. [...] Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Jun 30 18:09:47 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:09:47 -0500 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <4912982.ChiyCn59Tz@kubuntupad> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <4912982.ChiyCn59Tz@kubuntupad> Message-ID: <5592DB6B.3010209@swbell.net> On 06/30/2015 12:18 PM, honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:53:07 PM Dale Trombley wrote: >> So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any suggestions >> Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases >> opensuse seems like the best candidate for me >> needs apt and/or apt-get command line >> Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but what >> happens to it now?) >> I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. >> Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it so. >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Alan Dacey (grokit) < >> >> grokit at ajinfosearch.com> wrote: >>> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:50:38 PM Rick wrote: >>>> I been hearing talk about KDE, from Ubuntu is going away , >>>> >>>> or KDE is having problems.. anyone can shed some light on this.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Rick >>> All I've heard is from this article: >>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying-> > State >>> >>> >>> >>> I wouldn't be surprised since Ubuntu seems to be going in their own >>> direction now and do not seem to want to support Wayland. That causes >>> problems for all derivatives not just Kubuntu. >>> >>> >>> >>> KDE is not having problems, Kubuntu was always the blue-haired stepchild >>> and Johnathan Riddell (the guy who started Kubuntu) being forced to resign >>> from the Kubuntu leadership seems to have caused irreparable harm and deep >>> seated distrust. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > Hey all we are working on bring a great 15.10 release out this October. > Some people jump before they are hit. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Tue Jun 30 18:12:19 2015 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:12:19 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> Message-ID: <5592DC03.60306@optonline.net> On 06/30/2015 12:53 PM, Dale Trombley wrote: > So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any suggestions > Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases > opensuse seems like the best candidate for me > needs apt and/or apt-get command line > Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but what happens to it now?) > I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. > Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it so. > /snip/ Have you looked at PCLinuxOS? This defaults to KDE, altho other desktops are available. It is a "rolling release" so you never have to reinstall it. Updates come out about once a week--just open Synaptic, do a Reload, Mark all Updates, Apply. Most of the updates seem to occur on weekends, so Sunday evening is a good time to update your system. The PCLOS Forum is very active, and the folks there are friendly and helpful, and include some (all?) of the PCLOS devs. It is an rpm-supported system, unlike Debian and Mint. You can install anything in the repos from Synaptic, without using apt-get, altho that can be used also. Most rpms for Fedora or openSuse or other systems will work if the dependencies are met, altho the devs frown on importing apps from other distros. (You install them from a terminal with the command "rpm -Uvh filename.rpm"--without the quotes.) You can look at the website at http://www.pclinuxos.com/get-pclinuxos/kde/ and download an install disk via Torrent or directly from one of the listed download mirrors. I have been running pclos for about 5 years, and while I have looked at some other distros--and I have Mint on a machine here also--I will stay with pclos. If it make any difference to you, right now it is NOT using systemd. --doug From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Jun 30 18:30:39 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:30:39 -0500 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> Message-ID: <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> On 06/30/2015 11:53 AM, Dale Trombley wrote: > So this starts my search for a new kde-centric distro. Any suggestions > Debian is too far behind and too slow to turn out new releases > opensuse seems like the best candidate for me > needs apt and/or apt-get command line > Prefer to have codecs already installed (Linux mint kde is good, but > what happens to it now?) > I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. > Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it so. > Why are people in such a hurry to jump ship. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Jun 30 20:43:17 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:43:17 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 13:30 (UTC-0500): > Dale Trombley wrote: >> I don't trust ubuntu anymore so I may jump ship even if not forced to. >> Love Love Love kubuntu, wish canonical would quite screwing with it so. Mageia 5 is a good candidate, as it is a fresh release that includes KDE4 and isn't likely to get retrograded via updates to Plasma 5. openSUSE 13.2, released last November, has KDE4, but also through its build service offers the opportunity to also have Plasma 5 side by side with KDE4 (without need to reinstall). It also offers the opportunity to have TDE side by side KDE4, Plasma 5, Gnome and other DEs, proviing an opportunity to spend more time with various DEs without having to do any new installations or use live media. Both Mageia and openSUSE, for licensing reasons, have multimedia handicaps in their GA release configurations, but these are easily overcome via optional repos after initial installation is complete. > Why are people in such a hurry to jump ship. Pie in the sky upstreams not unusually have little idea the consequences of what they have done, and haven't yet done, which can result in reasons for jumping at any point. e.g. KDE 4.0/4.1/4.2/4.x/... (which resulted in the TDE fork of KDE3) and now the latest Plasma 5 incarnation. There are too many things missing in Plasma 5 that worked well and were depended on by users of the more recent KDE 4 incarnations. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue Jun 30 21:03:57 2015 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:03:57 -0500 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> On 06/30/2015 03:43 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 13:30 (UTC-0500): > > Why are people in such a hurry to jump ship. > Pie in the sky upstreams not unusually have little idea the consequences of > what they have done, and haven't yet done, which can result in reasons for > jumping at any point. e.g. KDE 4.0/4.1/4.2/4.x/... (which resulted in the TDE > fork of KDE3) and now the latest Plasma 5 incarnation. There are too many > things missing in Plasma 5 that worked well and were depended on by users of > the more recent KDE 4 incarnations. As I see it the only constant in the universe is change. From the very first moments of life it has always been adapt or die. KDE3 was great. KDE4 came along and broke some stuff. I was upset. But, I adapted and KDE4 is great now. Plasma came along. I hated it. I assume it is running somewhere on my computer now but it doesn't effect me. I suppose it adapted and now Plasma is great [ older version ]. Plasma changed, but I'm not using that version yet so I can't tell how it will effect me in the future. In a year it might break something and then it might have changed and things will work out fine. Either way I plan on adapting. No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that I had to learn to use a new piece of software. Another piece I relied on dropped out of the repository recently so I had to get creative. I adapted. Did I like it, NO! Just my thoughts on the subject. YMMV! -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Tue Jun 30 21:16:04 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apt-get Problem Message-ID: When I try to use apt-get to update, I get dumped out with the following error msgs. I have no idea why this is happening. I seem to recall seeing a cure for this a while back. I think it was a dpkg option, but I'm not finding it in the man file. Anyone recall this, or was it another command? Bill W: Failed to fetch cdrom://Kubuntu 12.04.5 LTS _Precise Pangolin_ - Release amd64 (20150122)/dists/precise/restricted/binary-i386/Packages Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Jun 30 21:19:46 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:19:46 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> Message-ID: <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): > No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they > are, and always have been. The change from KDE3 to KDE4 meant that I had > to learn to use a new piece of software. Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't broke, and would like to see some respect from naive youth causing change. KDE upstream has at least twice discarded invested wealth by starting from scratch in order to institute perceived need to change. It's learned little from the wisdom that history provides. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 21:27:05 2015 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:27:05 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: While this may be true, we need to keep in mind that it is youthful exuberance that drives advances in free software. And along with that, that these people all work for free in their spare time, it has to be a passion of love. If we can see the day when paid support is prevalent enough to drive development in free software, and then I think you would see stabilization. But enlarged, I do think it is just the nature of the beast with free software. On Jun 30, 2015 5:20 PM, "Felix Miata" wrote: > > Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:03 (UTC-0500): > > > No critter likes "change". We all want things to remain just as they > > are, and always have been. 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When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From gheskett at wdtv.com Tue Jun 30 21:57:31 2015 From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:57:31 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <55930AE4.20502@swbell.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <55930AE4.20502@swbell.net> Message-ID: <201506301757.31844.gheskett@wdtv.com> On Tuesday 30 June 2015 17:32:20 Billie Walsh wrote: > On 06/30/2015 04:19 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't > > broke > > I'm going on seventy. Does that count as "older". Get in line Billie, I am already most of 81. ;-) All this pleading for stability hits a pleasant feeling here, simply because I don't have to learn too much new to stay with something that feels comfy, no surprises to use. Which is why, when I was fighting a loosing battle with wheezy's kde, someone suggested TDE, which is a fork of kDE-3.5. Now it all works so well I'll probably be running wheezy till I fall over. > -- > A cat is a puzzle with no solution. > > Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. > > When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. These 4 lines should not have been copied into my reply. Reason? You are missing the space after the 2nd dash. It should be "\r-- \r" so it properly triggers 99% of the email agents extant to strip the OP's sig from the reply. Double line spacing is a gmail attribute, frowned on, and fixable in your gmail account prefs according to what I hear/read. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page From mrmazda at earthlink.net Tue Jun 30 22:06:07 2015 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:06:07 -0400 Subject: KDE ? In-Reply-To: <55930AE4.20502@swbell.net> References: <559041FE.7090506@gmail.com> <5965153.T1UVDfVcnu@kirk> <5592E04F.7020905@swbell.net> <5592FF65.1090300@earthlink.net> <5593043D.9070406@swbell.net> <559307F2.6020701@earthlink.net> <55930AE4.20502@swbell.net> Message-ID: <559312CF.9000901@earthlink.net> Billie Walsh composed on 2015-06-30 16:32 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Some of us in older generations have learned to not fix what ain't broke > I'm going on seventy. Does that count as "older". Context matters. I'm sure anyone who completed formal foundational education before Al Gore "invented" the Internet *should* qualify as "older" by now. A keyword above is "some". Older doesn't directly correlate to wiser, if at all. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org Tue Jun 30 23:02:18 2015 From: kbun at xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apt-get Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Mark Fraser wrote: > On 30 Jun 2015 22:16, "Bill Vance" > wrote: > > > > When I try to use apt-get to update, I get dumped out with the > > following error msgs.  I have no idea why this is happening. > > I seem to recall seeing a cure for this a while back.  I think > > it was a dpkg option, but I'm not finding it in the man file. > > Anyone recall this, or was it another command? > > > > Bill > > > > > > W: Failed to fetch cdrom://Kubuntu 12.04.5 LTS _Precise > Pangolin_ - Release amd64 > (20150122)/dists/precise/restricted/binary-i386/Packages Please > use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get > update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs > > > > E: Some index files failed to download. They have been > ignored, or old ones used instead. > > You need to comment out the CD-ROM line in /etc/apt/sources.list That did it, thanks. Wish I knew what did that, but oh well its fixed. Bill