From jimmckenzie at earthlink.net Sun May 1 14:02:51 2016 From: jimmckenzie at earthlink.net (James R McKenzie) Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 10:02:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Cannot access evternal hard drives in Kubuntu 14.04 Message-ID: <12126296.1462111371821.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> All of a sudden I cannot access mt Hard Drives or SD Chip. I tried to Google this problem and went no where. Can someone please tell me what the heck is going on. It seems to have happened around the time I upgraded from Fire Fox 45.0.2 to Fire Fox 46. Admittedly FF 46 came with some odd changes (not being able to maximize permanently the download screen for instance) but this is ridiculous. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this problem? Sometimes it seems the new improved version of something seems to break stuff 'rather than' improve it. Any help will be appreciated. From karsten.loh at gmx.de Sun May 1 14:39:09 2016 From: karsten.loh at gmx.de (Karsten Loh) Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 16:39:09 +0200 Subject: Cannot access evternal hard drives in Kubuntu 14.04 In-Reply-To: <12126296.1462111371821.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12126296.1462111371821.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5726150D.1060909@gmx.de> FF in general is pretty isolated from Kubuntu, so I doubt it's connected directly. More likely there was another update together with the FF update, causing the problem. That said I can't reproduce your problems on my 14.04 install. Connecting to external (USB) HD's works fine as does maximizing the DL Screen of FF (and keeping it maximized). Some more information would've been useful. You mentioned an external Harddrive, but not how you connect to it (USB, Firewire, E-SATA, LAN, etc.) Same for the SD chip. I assume you have some sort of a reader for it? Is that internal, connected by USB? LLAP, Karsten -- Evil Overlord Rule #136: If I build a bomb, I will simply remember which wire to cut if it has to be deactivated and make every wire red. On 01.05.2016 16:02, James R McKenzie wrote: > All of a sudden I cannot access mt Hard Drives or SD Chip. I tried to Google this problem and went no where. Can someone please tell me what the heck is going on. It seems to have happened around the time I upgraded from Fire Fox 45.0.2 to Fire Fox 46. Admittedly FF 46 came with some odd changes (not being able to maximize permanently the download screen for instance) but this is ridiculous. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this problem? > > Sometimes it seems the new improved version of something seems to break stuff 'rather than' improve it. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > > From errol at tzora.co.il Mon May 2 02:57:19 2016 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 05:57:19 +0300 Subject: photo story for linux In-Reply-To: <201604300742.51103.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <572467F3.50004@tzora.co.il> <572469D8.8020100@cfl.rr.com> <201604300742.51103.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <5726C20F.4040200@tzora.co.il> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Mon May 2 17:44:04 2016 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 13:44:04 -0400 Subject: Cannot access evternal hard drives in Kubuntu 14.04 In-Reply-To: <12126296.1462111371821.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12126296.1462111371821.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <16247934.qKpfaPkFvZ@kirk> Unplug your drive, wait a few seconds then plug it back in again. Next open a terminal and type dmesg. What are the last couple of lines? On Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:02:51 AM James R McKenzie wrote: > All of a sudden I cannot access mt Hard Drives or SD Chip. I tried to Google this problem and went no where. Can someone please tell me what the heck is going on. It seems to have happened around the time I upgraded from Fire Fox 45.0.2 to Fire Fox 46. Admittedly FF 46 came with some odd changes (not being able to maximize permanently the download screen for instance) but this is ridiculous. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this problem? > > Sometimes it seems the new improved version of something seems to break stuff 'rather than' improve it. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From temps.jo at gmail.com Mon May 2 21:22:48 2016 From: temps.jo at gmail.com (pierre jocelyn andre) Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 23:22:48 +0200 Subject: Cannot access evternal hard drives in Kubuntu 14.04 In-Reply-To: <16247934.qKpfaPkFvZ@kirk> References: <12126296.1462111371821.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <16247934.qKpfaPkFvZ@kirk> Message-ID: Today, I had the same problem with an SD card, I found the solution with this documentation hdparm https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/hdparm http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Tune-Your-Hard-Disk-with-hdparm 2016-05-02 19:44 GMT+02:00 Alan Dacey (grokit) : > Unplug your drive, wait a few seconds then plug it back in again. Next > open a terminal and type dmesg. What are the last couple of lines? > > > > > > On Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:02:51 AM James R McKenzie wrote: > > > All of a sudden I cannot access mt Hard Drives or SD Chip. I tried to > Google this problem and went no where. Can someone please tell me what the > heck is going on. It seems to have happened around the time I upgraded from > Fire Fox 45.0.2 to Fire Fox 46. Admittedly FF 46 came with some odd changes > (not being able to maximize permanently the download screen for instance) > but this is ridiculous. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this > problem? > > > > > > Sometimes it seems the new improved version of something seems to break > stuff 'rather than' improve it. > > > > > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basroufs at gmail.com Tue May 3 06:55:48 2016 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 08:55:48 +0200 Subject: photo story for linux In-Reply-To: References: <572467F3.50004@tzora.co.il> <572469D8.8020100@cfl.rr.com> <201604300742.51103.gheskett@wdtv.com> <5726C20F.4040200@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: Hello Errol. There is probably no package that does EXACTLY, 1:1, what 'photo story' does. However, be flexible and experiment - use different packages together. So, do use the packages mentioned in this thread. But also experiment with typical Kubuntu packages like 'Gwenview' and 'Digikam'. Additionally, go through 'Muon Discover' - look there at especially the graphical programmes. Yours. Bas. Op 2 mei 2016 04:58 schreef "Errol Sapir" : Thanks for the inputs on my photo question. For my needs it looks like Tom's suggestion of "photofilmstrip" will be the best option. It is the closest to what "Photo Storey" does. Now I think I have no need for windows at home :-) Errol On 04/30/2016 02:42 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 30 April 2016 04:16:24 Charles T. Bell wrote: I would recommend photofilmstrip as a possibility. I am not sure how well it will suit your purposes, but it is available and does create movies out of photos with sound. You can find it with: apt-cache show photofilmstrip You can install it with: sudo apt-get install photofilmstrip Good Luck! I hope it fits your requirements. Tom I have seen some quite impressive work, very smoothly done using the LibreOffice presentation facility. So you might want to look at that as a possible method. On 04/30/2016 04:08 AM, Errol Sapir wrote: Hi For years I have used Microsoft's Photo Story program to make my photos into a (sort of) "movie". What it does is enable one to join hundreds of photos together, and then add sound or narration and titles if one wishes. One can control the way and time each photo is viewed and how it is viewed by either zooming in or out of parts of a photo. The best part is the way it joins all these photos into a continuity which give the feeling of a movie. Is there a similar program for us Linux (Kubuntu) users or will I still have to use Windows because this is almost the only reason I use Windows at home. Errol Cheers, Gene Heskett -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From buzzmandt at gmail.com Thu May 5 21:14:04 2016 From: buzzmandt at gmail.com (Dale Trombley) Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 17:14:04 -0400 Subject: 16.04 64 bit won't boot live session Message-ID: Removing quiet splash, the last line that prints is "Begin: Running /scripts/casper-bottom ... 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Thanks, Luca From kassube at gmx.net Fri May 6 07:01:54 2016 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 09:01:54 +0200 Subject: dolphin shows no preview and no search available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2125936.hAdVSdpXdr@p5915> Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi all, > after some apt-get commands I have my jubuntu 15.10 that do not shows > any more previews of files in dolphin and that does not allow me to > search with the find button: "Could not start process Unable to create > io-slave: klauncher said: Could not find the 'kf5/kio/filenamesearch' > plugin.." ~/ > apt-file search kf5/kio/filenamesearch kio-extras: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/filenamesearch.so So it looks like you need the package "kio-extras". Nils From fluca1978 at infinito.it Fri May 6 09:03:03 2016 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 11:03:03 +0200 Subject: dolphin shows no preview and no search available In-Reply-To: <2125936.hAdVSdpXdr@p5915> References: <2125936.hAdVSdpXdr@p5915> Message-ID: On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Nils Kassube wrote: > ~/ > apt-file search kf5/kio/filenamesearch > kio-extras: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/filenamesearch.so > > So it looks like you need the package "kio-extras". Great, thanks. Luca From jimmckenzie at earthlink.net Sun May 8 07:46:42 2016 From: jimmckenzie at earthlink.net (James R McKenzie) Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 03:46:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Has anyone else on the list noticed after a fresh install that Kubuntu Will Not use a swap partition anymoore? Message-ID: <501382.1462693602546.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I set one up and the installation says it went fine but there is no usable Swap Partition in my running setup as it stands. I have even tried running the Boot Repair Disk to get Gpart to recreate the Swap Partition with no change what so ever. I have an HP Pavilion DV6 with 6 GB of RAM and a 640GB HDD. It's old but in all previous setups I have been able to create everything with no trouble . I changed nothing at all but this time no Swap Partition. Any ideas. I don't know who else to ask. Let me know if this has/is happening to anyone else. Thanks From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Sun May 8 07:54:51 2016 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Sun, 08 May 2016 07:54:51 +0000 Subject: Has anyone else on the list noticed after a fresh install that Kubuntu Will Not use a swap partition anymoore? In-Reply-To: <501382.1462693602546.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <501382.1462693602546.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Please read below link, use the faster way, not the traditional way: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-on-ubuntu-14-04 DK On Sun, 8 May 2016 14:47 James R McKenzie, wrote: > I set one up and the installation says it went fine but there is no usable > Swap Partition in my running setup as it stands. I have even tried running > the Boot Repair Disk to get Gpart to recreate the Swap Partition with no > change what so ever. I have an HP Pavilion DV6 with 6 GB of RAM and a 640GB > HDD. It's old but in all previous setups I have been able to create > everything with no trouble . I changed nothing at all but this time no Swap > Partition. > > Any ideas. I don't know who else to ask. Let me know if this has/is > happening to anyone else. > > Thanks > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taholmes160 at gmail.com Mon May 9 21:37:05 2016 From: taholmes160 at gmail.com (Timothy A. Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 17:37:05 -0400 Subject: Starting a command upon startup Message-ID: <57310301.8060505@gmail.com> I have a command that I have been typing in manually every time I want to start the server, but I would prefer that it start at startup. assume the commandline has the format rigctld {parameters} Thanks TIM From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Tue May 10 01:33:32 2016 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 21:33:32 -0400 Subject: Starting a command upon startup In-Reply-To: <57310301.8060505@gmail.com> References: <57310301.8060505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57313A6C.4010505@cfl.rr.com> On 05/09/2016 05:37 PM, Timothy A. Holmes wrote: > I have a command that I have been typing in manually every time I want > to start the server, but I would prefer that it start at startup. > > assume the commandline has the format > > rigctld {parameters} > > Thanks > TIM > Did you try adding it to "System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Autostart -> Add Program"? Tom -- "How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette?" - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Holmes wrote: > > I have a command that I have been typing in manually every time I want > > to start the server, but I would prefer that it start at startup. > > > > assume the commandline has the format > > > > rigctld {parameters} > > > > Thanks > > TIM > > > > > Did you try adding it to "System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> > Autostart -> Add Program"? > > Tom > -- > "How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and > when it's a chicken, it's an omelette?" - George Carlin > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Wed May 11 06:38:30 2016 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 08:38:30 +0200 Subject: Scarlett quits packaging? Message-ID: <5732D366.5060801@gmail.com> If I get it right, this: http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2016/kubuntu-farewell-my-friends/ means our main packager is leaving. How does this impact on a recently LTS release? Is there someone to replace? all the best, Sinclair From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 13:14:25 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 08:14:25 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue Message-ID: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> I have an issue with my second hard drive. It get address's like " /media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". I use it to store my web pages offline for editing. I make bookmarks in a browser so I can view my work as I edit but after a reboot the bookmarks fail. Something changes and the browser can't find the page. I can't "see" any change in the address after the reboot. The numbers "look" the same. The one above is from a fail to find in Firefox and Dolphin now shows "file:///media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". I've been living with this issue for a while and don't remember exactly when it started. I "think" it was when I had a hard drive die and installed on a new one some time ago. Before this I have never seen an address like that for my secondary hard drive. I have Kubuntu 14.04, fully up to date [ I'll move over to 16.04 sometime this summer ] -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Fri May 13 13:15:59 2016 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 15:15:59 +0200 Subject: kubuntu 16.04 connection.gateway-ping-timeout Message-ID: <3381195.mIsaaiYleK@thinkpad> Hello all, I want to import a openvpn config via network-manager. Getting connection.gateway-ping-timeout and it was not imported. Same error editing network configuration. The latest updates are installed. Can someone help? Tia Stefan From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Fri May 13 14:44:05 2016 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 16:44:05 +0200 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> Message-ID: <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> Hello Billie, do you know something about mailing list etiquette? So I will be short! Am Friday 13 May 2016, 08:14:25 schrieb Billie Walsh: > I have an issue with my second hard drive. It get address's like " > /media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". I > use it to store my web pages offline for editing. I make bookmarks in a > browser so I can view my work as I edit but after a reboot the bookmarks > fail. Something changes and the browser can't find the page. I can't > "see" any change in the address after the reboot. The numbers "look" the > same. The one above is from a fail to find in Firefox and Dolphin now > shows > "file:///media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". > There is no entry in your fstab regards Stefan From mrvanes at gmail.com Fri May 13 15:12:43 2016 From: mrvanes at gmail.com (Martin van Es) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 17:12:43 +0200 Subject: kubuntu 16.04 connection.gateway-ping-timeout In-Reply-To: <3381195.mIsaaiYleK@thinkpad> References: <3381195.mIsaaiYleK@thinkpad> Message-ID: It's a known problem ( http://askubuntu.com/questions/761646/intermittent-networkmanager-error-on-importing-ovpn-files-or-editing-such-conne) but it seems that it succeeds sometimes without error. Workaround for now: try so many times until it succeeds and then set gateway-ping-timeout to something sane. Or, create VPN connection by hand from openvpn conf file. M. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Stefan Fuhrmann < stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org> wrote: > Hello all, > I want to import a openvpn config via network-manager. Getting > connection.gateway-ping-timeout and it was not imported. Same error editing > network configuration. > The latest updates are installed. > Can someone help? > > Tia > Stefan > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- If 'but' was any useful, it would be a logic operator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 15:31:44 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 11:31:44 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> Message-ID: > On May 13, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > > Hello Billie, > do you know something about mailing list etiquette? > So I will be short! > I'm confused... Just what netiquette issue are you referring to in your irritable way? The only thing I see wrong might be more than 6 lines in the signature but perhaps in this day of broadband speeds that rule should be re-thought. > Am Friday 13 May 2016, 08:14:25 schrieb Billie Walsh: >> I have an issue with my second hard drive. It get address's like " >> /media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". I >> use it to store my web pages offline for editing. I make bookmarks in a >> browser so I can view my work as I edit but after a reboot the bookmarks >> fail. Something changes and the browser can't find the page. I can't >> "see" any change in the address after the reboot. The numbers "look" the >> same. The one above is from a fail to find in Firefox and Dolphin now >> shows >> "file:///media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". > There is no entry in your fstab > > regards > Stefan > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 15:38:06 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 10:38:06 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> Message-ID: <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 09:44 AM, Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > Hello Billie, > do you know something about mailing list etiquette? > So I will be short! > > Am Friday 13 May 2016, 08:14:25 schrieb Billie Walsh: >> I have an issue with my second hard drive. It get address's like " >> /media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". I >> use it to store my web pages offline for editing. I make bookmarks in a >> browser so I can view my work as I edit but after a reboot the bookmarks >> fail. Something changes and the browser can't find the page. I can't >> "see" any change in the address after the reboot. The numbers "look" the >> same. The one above is from a fail to find in Firefox and Dolphin now >> shows >> "file:///media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". >> > There is no entry in your fstab > > regards > Stefan > Two things: First, I'm not sure what you mean by "do you know something about mailing list etiquette?" Second, Your "solution" may be absolutely correct, however I'm no power user and have no idea what your referring to. I need "simple and complete" answers. Not just one word. I do appreciate your attempt to answer. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 15:51:00 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 10:51:00 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> Message-ID: <5735F7E4.5000807@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 10:31 AM, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: >> >On May 13, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: >> > >> >Hello Billie, >> >do you know something about mailing list etiquette? >> >So I will be short! >> > > I'm confused... Just what netiquette issue are you referring to in your irritable way? > > The only thing I see wrong might be more than 6 lines in the signature but perhaps in this day of broadband speeds that rule should be re-thought. > > If this is what Stefan is referring to: Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ I could shorten it up by deleting some line breaks but I have seen much longer ones. I'm on some mailing lists that require me to include my Amateur Radio station call in my signature. That's what all the gobbledy-gook at the bottom of my signature is, in Morse code [ sort of ]. Other Amateurs usually pick it up quickly. It says 7 3 and my call, KA5LSU Then the mailing list adds several more lines of it's own. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Fri May 13 15:53:05 2016 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 17:53:05 +0200 Subject: kubuntu 16.04 connection.gateway-ping-timeout In-Reply-To: References: <3381195.mIsaaiYleK@thinkpad> Message-ID: <1893081.2gnz8ZbyHj@thinkpad> Hello Martin, Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2016, 17:12:43 CEST schrieb Martin van Es: > It's a known problem ( > http://askubuntu.com/questions/761646/intermittent-networkmanager-error-on-i > mporting-ovpn-files-or-editing-such-conne) but it seems that it succeeds > sometimes without error. yes, sorry I was to short with my mail. I koown that and there is also a bug report and should be fixed now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674 I did an update and there was anetwork-manager update. I assumed that solves the problem. > Workaround for now: try so many times until it > succeeds and then set gateway-ping-timeout to something sane. Or, create > VPN connection by hand from openvpn conf file. adding a new connection is also not working. Tia Stefan From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 16:09:10 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 12:09:10 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5735FC26.1020401@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 11:38 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > Second, Your "solution" may be absolutely correct, however I'm no > power user and have no idea what your referring to. I need "simple and > complete" answers. Not just one word. > > I do appreciate your attempt to answer. It looks to me as though the URL you are using contains a UUID... which is an identifier of the partition on which the files are stored... I would guess that however that partition got mounted to /media in the first place needs to happen again after the reboot. Also sounds like you would be better to store them into an actual folder with a name such as /home/webfiles/ The fstab is a file in /etc/ that shows your mount points and the UUIDs (identifiers for each file system/partition) and allows the system to atuomatically mount the partition. Thus, if there is no entry in fstab, the partition won't be automatically mounted. -- "Law of Physical Surfaces - The chances of an open-faced jelly sandwich landing face down on a floor, are directly proportional to the newness and cost of the carpet or rug." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 16:11:34 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 12:11:34 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735F7E4.5000807@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F7E4.5000807@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5735FCB6.9000202@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 11:51 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > If this is what Stefan is referring to: > > Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. > You must learn to be slow in a hurry. > -Wyatt Earp- That's what I'm guessing.... but as I said, in this day of broadband speeds, either the rule should go away or people should be more tolerant. BTW, I picked up on the end... de KJ1B -- "If animals could speak the dog would be a a blundering outspoken fellow, but the cat would have the rare grace of never saying a word too much." - Mark Twain From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 16:19:54 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 11:19:54 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5735FEAA.9050509@swbell.net> OK, some googling and a leap of faith and maybe Stefan gave me the hint. I googled "fstab" and found an Ubuntu page that explains things fairly simply. The leap of faith was in attempting to edit it. I normally don't diddle around in the nuts and bolts of the system. I don't know what I'm doing but I can sometimes copy and paste with some good results. I learned that the funny number was the uuid of the drive. Simple enough once you know what it is. The "path" to that drive and my files is/was media/bilie0w/"uuid"/Billie0W/. All my files are under the "Billie0W" directory(?) so I set the mount point as "Billie0W". It returned a file system of "ext2" so I added that and made the other options 0 and 0. The new line in fstab now reads: UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 I'm praying I didn't trash my system. I didn't touch anything else in there. Keep your fingers crossed. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Fri May 13 16:29:24 2016 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 18:29:24 +0200 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> Message-ID: <1625468.K6l4kmsvva@thinkpad> Hello Billie, Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2016, 11:31:44 CEST schrieb bmarsh at bmarsh.com: > > On May 13, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Stefan Fuhrmann > > wrote: > > > > Hello Billie, > > do you know something about mailing list etiquette? > > So I will be short! > > I'm confused... Just what netiquette issue are you referring to in your > irritable way? Its a good tone saying hello, doing a search via a search engine, maybe the issue its already solved.... Maybe you dont know what to search for ? Okay, than ask if you find nothing on search engine. Also known as "Netiquette". There some hints on the web... But okay.... > > Am Friday 13 May 2016, 08:14:25 schrieb Billie Walsh: > >> I have an issue with my second hard drive. It get address's like " > >> /media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". I > >> use it to store my web pages offline for editing. I make bookmarks in a > >> browser so I can view my work as I edit but after a reboot the bookmarks > >> fail. Something changes and the browser can't find the page. I can't > >> "see" any change in the address after the reboot. The numbers "look" the > >> same. The one above is from a fail to find in Firefox and Dolphin now > >> shows > >> "file:///media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/*** You shoud do a search for "add new / second hd ubuntu" some keywords: fdisk, fstab, mount Are you able to find your hard disk via fdisk? Doing an entry in your fstab mount it regards Stefan From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 16:30:22 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 12:30:22 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735FEAA.9050509@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <5735FEAA.9050509@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5736011E.2060507@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 12:19 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > OK, some googling and a leap of faith and maybe Stefan gave me the hint. > > I googled "fstab" and found an Ubuntu page that explains things fairly > simply. The leap of faith was in attempting to edit it. I normally > don't diddle around in the nuts and bolts of the system. I don't know > what I'm doing but I can sometimes copy and paste with some good results. > > I learned that the funny number was the uuid of the drive. Simple > enough once you know what it is. The "path" to that drive and my files > is/was media/bilie0w/"uuid"/Billie0W/. All my files are under the > "Billie0W" directory(?) so I set the mount point as "Billie0W". It > returned a file system of "ext2" so I added that and made the other > options 0 and 0. > > The new line in fstab now reads: > > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 > > I'm praying I didn't trash my system. I didn't touch anything else in > there. Keep your fingers crossed. > Shouldn't trash the system and a good idea is to make a copy of the file(fstab) before editing it. cp -p /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.sav with sudo added if you need it. -- "A king's castle is his home." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 16:36:59 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 12:36:59 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <1625468.K6l4kmsvva@thinkpad> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <1625468.K6l4kmsvva@thinkpad> Message-ID: <573602AB.60409@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 12:29 PM, Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: >>> So I will be short! >> > >> >I'm confused... Just what netiquette issue are you referring to in your >> >irritable way? > Its a good tone saying hello, > > doing a search via a search engine, maybe the issue its already solved.... > Maybe you dont know what to search for ? Okay, than ask if you find nothing on > search engine. > Also known as "Netiquette". There some hints on the web... > > But okay.... I believe I mentioned "netiquette issue" in my first reply but since you refuse to answer what your problem is, I will ignore anything else you say. And good for you with your "good tone to say hello". Is that part of netiquette rules? I've never used it. Still confused as what your issue is. -- "The average person falls asleep in seven minutes." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 16:58:52 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 11:58:52 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> Message-ID: <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> The line: UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 didn't work. On reboot I get a message that mounting Billie0W failed. Any suggestions? I tried to follow the steps listed on the Ubuntu page as best I could. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Fri May 13 17:03:15 2016 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 19:03:15 +0200 Subject: kubuntu 16.04 connection.gateway-ping-timeout In-Reply-To: <1893081.2gnz8ZbyHj@thinkpad> References: <3381195.mIsaaiYleK@thinkpad> <1893081.2gnz8ZbyHj@thinkpad> Message-ID: <3886198.kpIHSdd3Rm@thinkpad> Hello all, "It should be already in KDE Frameworks 5.21 and if not then definitely in 5.22 which is going to be released this week." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674 hmm, seems I was to impatient... so I wait. Thanks for help! Stefan From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 17:10:14 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:10:14 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> Message-ID: > On May 13, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > The line: > > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 > > didn't work. On reboot I get a message that mounting Billie0W failed. Any suggestions? I tried to follow the steps listed on the Ubuntu page as best I could. > Did you get an error msg? Not found? Wrong file format? > -- > Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. > You must learn to be slow in a hurry. > -Wyatt Earp- > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 17:12:21 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:12:21 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> Message-ID: <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> After reboot, just try. sudo mount Billiw0W. And see what it says. > On May 13, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > The line: > > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 > > didn't work. On reboot I get a message that mounting Billie0W failed. Any suggestions? I tried to follow the steps listed on the Ubuntu page as best I could. > > -- > Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. > You must learn to be slow in a hurry. > -Wyatt Earp- > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 17:15:13 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 12:15:13 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57360BA1.2060009@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 12:10 PM, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: > >> On May 13, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> >> The line: >> >> UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 >> >> didn't work. On reboot I get a message that mounting Billie0W failed. Any suggestions? I tried to follow the steps listed on the Ubuntu page as best I could. >> > Did you get an error msg? Not found? Wrong file format? All it said was that mounting Billie0W failed and to press "S" to skip or something else for something else. There wasn't any explanation. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From rpc at bewitching.me Fri May 13 17:19:12 2016 From: rpc at bewitching.me (Robert Charbonneau) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:19:12 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <57360BA1.2060009@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <57360BA1.2060009@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57360C90.9090005@gmail.com> If I were you, I would run fsck on that partition you are trying to mount; given that it's ext2, if it was badly unmounted it may need a rescue to mount it properly again on boot. On 2016-05-13 01:15 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 05/13/2016 12:10 PM, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: >> >>> On May 13, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> >>> The line: >>> >>> UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 >>> >>> didn't work. On reboot I get a message that mounting Billie0W >>> failed. Any suggestions? I tried to follow the steps listed on the >>> Ubuntu page as best I could. >>> >> Did you get an error msg? Not found? Wrong file format? > > All it said was that mounting Billie0W failed and to press "S" to skip > or something else for something else. There wasn't any explanation. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 17:21:18 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 12:21:18 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57360D0E.2080807@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 12:10 PM, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: > Did you get an error msg? Not found? Wrong file format? Forgot to mention that the message popped up during boot and while the system was still loading. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 17:22:33 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:22:33 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57360D59.2010508@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 12:58 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > The line: > > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 > > didn't work. On reboot I get a message that mounting Billie0W failed. > Any suggestions? I tried to follow the steps listed on the Ubuntu page > as best I could. Here's a drill for you. 1) sudo ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid/ you should see a list of all your disks by UUID lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 May 1 08:44 006272c6-2ca3-4f19-9c50-ca9a05e228f5 -> ../../sdb10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 May 1 08:44 04379778-aac8-44f1-900a-6ff77e514167 -> ../../sdc5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 May 1 08:44 0d790aa4-c249-41de-be94-ba435bfb0d88 -> ../../sda8 2) Find the disk with the UUID you are trying to mount. 3) Make up the entry in fstab of: #Billie0W was on /dev/sda8 at boot (example here) UUID=0d790aa4-c249-41de-be94-ba435bfb0d88 /Billie0W ext2 defaults 0 2 You must have a mount point in your root directory for Billie0W so: 4) sudo mkdir /Billie0W 5) Then try to: mount Billie0W It either mounts or should tell you why. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org Fri May 13 17:23:54 2016 From: stefan at fuhrmann.homedns.org (Stefan Fuhrmann) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 19:23:54 +0200 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> Message-ID: <3865721.pn1mYV70T6@thinkpad> Hello Billie, (the good tone ;) ) Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2016, 11:58:52 CEST schrieb Billie Walsh: > The line: > > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 seems your mount point isnt correct. did you create Billie0W? ex: mkdir /mnt/Billie0W correct your fstab to /mnt/Billie0W do you really have a ext2 filesystem? blkid shows it correct this in fstab try mount -a > I tried to follow the steps listed on the Ubuntu page > as best I could. that is what I mean before... regards Stefan From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 17:37:50 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 12:37:50 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 12:12 PM, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: > After reboot, just try. sudo mount Billiw0W. And see what it says. > [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab mount: mount point Billie0W does not exist -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 18:00:04 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:04 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57361624.9040505@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 01:37 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 05/13/2016 12:12 PM, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: >> After reboot, just try. sudo mount Billiw0W. And see what it says. >> > > [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab > mount: mount point Billie0W does not exist > > If you did everything in my list, you should have made a mount point in your root directory.... sudo mkdir /Billie0W see if you can list it.... or maybe it was mispelled. -- If you don't pay your exorcist you can get repossessed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 18:03:23 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:03:23 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> Message-ID: <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> All this is why I don't generally diddle with the nuts and bolts of the system. In Dolphin I go to Root > Media > billie0w and it shows nothing. It used to show the uuid and then Billie0W and then my files. If I go to the 465.8 gig drive in the left part of Dolphin it shows 465.8 GiB Hard Drive > Billie0W and then my files inside Billie0W. "Billie0W" is a directory on the hard drive. I made it when I set up the hard drive to hold my files. gparted then format the disk and create directory. Where the "billie0w" it shows in Media came from I have no idea. It looks like it's a drive "name" like you would make with Windows. Trying to cover as many relpies as possible - blkid gives: /dev/sda1: UUID="5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee" TYPE="ext2" /dev/sdb1: UUID="2ac05446-9d15-4b63-8bc0-df4e05a70644" TYPE="ext4" /dev/sdb5: UUID="d0ae8325-da93-4221-a089-4260762971f6" TYPE="swap" /dev/sdh1: LABEL="Lexar" UUID="004F-8F5B" TYPE="vfat" /dev/sdi4: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL="ZIP-100" UUID="15F9-2C71" TYPE="vfat" mount -a returns: [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab mount: mount point Billie0W does not exist For fsck, as I understand it, I would need to boot from a live disk so that nothing is mounted. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 18:05:42 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:05:42 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <57361624.9040505@bmarsh.com> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <57361624.9040505@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <57361776.20607@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 01:00 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > If you did everything in my list, you should have made a mount point > in your root directory.... I don't know that there is a "root directory" on that drive unless it's "billie0w". -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 18:11:56 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:11:56 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 02:03 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > All this is why I don't generally diddle with the nuts and bolts of > the system. In Dolphin I go to Root > Media > billie0w and it shows > nothing. It used to show the uuid and then Billie0W and then my files. > If I go to the 465.8 gig drive in the left part of Dolphin it shows > 465.8 GiB Hard Drive > Billie0W and then my files inside Billie0W. And you made it in /media ?? there's the problem. In your /etc/fstab change it to be /media/Billie0W not the /Billie0W that I showed. -- "Don't be humble: you're not that great." --Golda Meir -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 18:13:38 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:13:38 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57361952.2000806@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 02:03 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > > For fsck, as I understand it, I would need to boot from a live disk so > that nothing is mounted. No need for a live disk boot for fsck. All that is needed is that the drive NOT be mounted. -- "Don't be humble: you're not that great." --Golda Meir -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 18:17:58 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:17:58 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <57361A56.6000507@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 01:11 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On 05/13/2016 02:03 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> All this is why I don't generally diddle with the nuts and bolts of >> the system. In Dolphin I go to Root > Media > billie0w and it shows >> nothing. It used to show the uuid and then Billie0W and then my >> files. If I go to the 465.8 gig drive in the left part of Dolphin it >> shows 465.8 GiB Hard Drive > Billie0W and then my files inside Billie0W. > > And you made it in /media ?? there's the problem. > > In your /etc/fstab change it to be /media/Billie0W > > not the /Billie0W that I showed. > I didn't "make" anything in media. That's just where I go to find the drive in Dolphin. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 18:22:43 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:22:43 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> fstab reads # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). # # # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation UUID=2ac05446-9d15-4b63-8bc0-df4e05a70644 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation UUID=d0ae8325-da93-4221-a089-4260762971f6 none swap sw 0 0 #second hard drive UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 Should I add a "/" after Billie0W? -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 18:42:43 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:42:43 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 02:22 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > fstab reads > > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a > # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name > devices > # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). > # > # > # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation > UUID=2ac05446-9d15-4b63-8bc0-df4e05a70644 / ext4 > errors=remount-ro 0 1 > # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation > UUID=d0ae8325-da93-4221-a089-4260762971f6 none swap > sw 0 0 > #second hard drive > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee /media/Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 > > > Should I add a "/" after Billie0W? > See my change above -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrmazda at earthlink.net Fri May 13 18:47:37 2016 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:47:37 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57362149.5010602@earthlink.net> Billie Walsh composed on 2016-05-13 14:22 (UTC-0400): > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 > Should I add a "/" after Billie0W? You probably need it before. To be clear, what you need is the full path. IOW, if BillieOW is in your home directory, then it would be something like /home/billieshomedir/BillieOW If you created it in the "root" (aka "/"), then it would be /BillieOW If you created it in the root, then from an xterm or Konsole prompt, you would see something like: # ls -1 / BillieOW bin boot dev etc home lib lib64 lost+found ... In Dolphin you would see something similar. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Fri May 13 19:01:18 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:01:18 -0500 Subject: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 01:42 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On 05/13/2016 02:22 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >> fstab reads >> >> # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >> # >> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a >> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name >> devices >> # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). >> # >> # >> # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation >> UUID=2ac05446-9d15-4b63-8bc0-df4e05a70644 / ext4 >> errors=remount-ro 0 1 >> # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation >> UUID=d0ae8325-da93-4221-a089-4260762971f6 none swap >> sw 0 0 >> #second hard drive >> UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee /media/Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 >> >> >> Should I add a "/" after Billie0W? >> > See my change above Made the change. On reboot no error message. Why the "/media/"? Trying to understand. Now the path to the files looks funny. /media/Billie0W/Billie0W/HotSprings_TTTP/index.html We'll see how it works long term. Can't be any worse I suppose. *<]:oD Thanks to all for the help. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 19:15:51 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 15:15:51 -0400 Subject: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> Message-ID: <573627E7.2050809@bmarsh.com> On 05/13/2016 03:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 05/13/2016 01:42 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On 05/13/2016 02:22 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> fstab reads >>> >>> # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >>> # >>> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a >>> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name >>> devices >>> # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). >>> # >>> # >>> # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation >>> UUID=2ac05446-9d15-4b63-8bc0-df4e05a70644 / ext4 errors=remount-ro >>> 0 1 >>> # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation >>> UUID=d0ae8325-da93-4221-a089-4260762971f6 none swap sw >>> 0 0 >>> #second hard drive >>> UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee /media/Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 >>> >>> >>> Should I add a "/" after Billie0W? >>> >> See my change above > > Made the change. On reboot no error message. > > Why the "/media/"? Trying to understand. Since I don't use dolphin at all, I'm making a guess but dolphin is the one that mounts it in media.... and media is where you made your Billie0W directory. So the /etc/fstab needs to have the TOTAL path as to where to mount it, so /media/Billie0W would be the total path. Personally, what I do, is to make permanent mount points in the root directory "/" and then make entries into /etc/fstab to point to those mount points. I'd have to see what the path in /media looks like but you most likely have a Billie0W directory on the volume/disk that is being mounted. > > Now the path to the files looks funny. > > /media/Billie0W/Billie0W/HotSprings_TTTP/index.html > > We'll see how it works long term. Can't be any worse I suppose. *<]:oD > > Thanks to all for the help. > -- "As to marriage or celibacy, let a man take the course he will. He will be sure to repent." - Socrates -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See fstab(5). >>>> # >>>> # >>>> # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation >>>> UUID=2ac05446-9d15-4b63-8bc0-df4e05a70644 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 >>>> 1 >>>> # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation >>>> UUID=d0ae8325-da93-4221-a089-4260762971f6 none swap sw 0 >>>> 0 >>>> #second hard drive >>>> UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee /media/Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 >>>> >>>> >>>> Should I add a "/" after Billie0W? >>>> >>> See my change above >> >> Made the change. On reboot no error message. >> >> Why the "/media/"? Trying to understand. > > Since I don't use dolphin at all, I'm making a guess but dolphin is the one > that mounts it in media.... and media is where you made your Billie0W > directory. no, it's not dolphin, it's the ubuntu automounter. when you plug in a drive and it is detected and you tell the system to mount it (all from the notification), it will mount it in /media/username/driveid you guys have been giving this poor guy a hard time when he'd been reporting the plain facts as to what's happened. One question you haven't asked, Is this an external drive (probably plugged in via USB) If so, that would explain why it's not visible at boot and everything else. David Lang P.S. this is why I hate the 'mount by UUID' approach and don't use it on my systems for internal drives. -------------- next part -------------- -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From david at lang.hm Fri May 13 21:04:03 2016 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <57361A56.6000507@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361A56.6000507@swbell.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 May 2016, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 05/13/2016 01:11 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> On 05/13/2016 02:03 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> All this is why I don't generally diddle with the nuts and bolts of the >>> system. In Dolphin I go to Root > Media > billie0w and it shows nothing. >>> It used to show the uuid and then Billie0W and then my files. If I go to >>> the 465.8 gig drive in the left part of Dolphin it shows 465.8 GiB Hard >>> Drive > Billie0W and then my files inside Billie0W. >> >> And you made it in /media ?? there's the problem. >> >> In your /etc/fstab change it to be /media/Billie0W >> >> not the /Billie0W that I showed. >> > > I didn't "make" anything in media. That's just where I go to find the drive > in Dolphin. Is this an external drive of an internal drive? If it's an internal drive, you probably should not put it under /media, that's an area that ubuntu/kubuntu uses for external drives If it's an external drive, you probably should not have it in fstab as it's not always going to be there (or at least, you should not have it set to automount at boot) so before we go further, is this an external drive or internal drive? David Lang From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri May 13 21:12:13 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 17:12:13 -0400 Subject: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> <573627E7.2050809@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <2748B9CB-4279-4419-9EC2-2B03E6E96AA2@bmarsh.com> > > you guys have been giving this poor guy a hard time when he'd been reporting the plain facts as to what's happened. > Didn't know anyone was giving anyone a hard time. Just trying to help. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Fri May 13 21:26:26 2016 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 17:26:26 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> <573627E7.2050809@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <57364682.2070208@earthlink.net> David Lang composed on 2016-05-13 14:01 (UTC-0700): > P.S. this is why I hate the 'mount by UUID' approach and don't use it on my > systems for internal drives. UUID is simply a default. Anyone who doesn't like it can change it, for any drive, not just internal. I have several hundred installations and lots of external storage. Nothing is ever mounted here by UUID. Most filesystems mount by a label that I choose, something I can relate to its use, content and/or mount point. Anybody can do the same. Mounting by label is particularly well suited to external storage. Put a label on the outside of the device, and create (a) volume label(s) to match, and it's easy to keep straight what's what, impossible using incomprehensible to humans UUIDs that only machines should have to contend with. If you create a proper fstab or udev entry for any particular volume, you get to choose where that is, and find it reliably always in that same place any time it's attached. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Fri May 13 22:55:16 2016 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 18:55:16 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57365B54.6020604@cfl.rr.com> On 05/13/2016 09:14 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I have an issue with my second hard drive. It get address's like " > /media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". I > use it to store my web pages offline for editing. I make bookmarks in a > browser so I can view my work as I edit but after a reboot the bookmarks > fail. Something changes and the browser can't find the page. I can't > "see" any change in the address after the reboot. The numbers "look" the > same. The one above is from a fail to find in Firefox and Dolphin now > shows > "file:///media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". > > I've been living with this issue for a while and don't remember exactly > when it started. I "think" it was when I had a hard drive die and > installed on a new one some time ago. Before this I have never seen an > address like that for my secondary hard drive. > > I have Kubuntu 14.04, fully up to date [ I'll move over to 16.04 > sometime this summer ] > You may want to open System Settings -> Hardware -> Removable Devices If your second HD is listed there you may be able to make it more permanent. I am not sure exactly good that particular page is, but I do have some entries checked for "Automount on Login". Good luck! Tom -- "How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette?" - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See > fstab(5). # > # > # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation > UUID=2ac05446-9d15-4b63-8bc0-df4e05a70644 / ext4 > errors=remount-ro 0 1 > # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation > UUID=d0ae8325-da93-4221-a089-4260762971f6 none swap > sw 0 0 > #second hard drive > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 > > > Should I add a "/" after Billie0W? > No. If dolphin finds it in /media/Billie0W, put that in your /etc/fstab as a first step. Hint, all pathlists in the *nix world start with a slash, which is the top most anchor point. In your case, if you do an ls -l / You will probably see a /media in the listing, but not an /mnt, so first do an ls -l /media to see if it exists there, and if notso as root, do a mkdir /media/Billie0W just to make sure that mount point exists and is not a figment of dolphins imagination, just one of the reasons this old timer uses mc to do what you are doing with dolphin. And unless that 2nd drive is 15 years old, it probably is not an ext2 file system, but ext3, possibly even ext4, all of which are considerably more robust a file system than ext2 is. So if it works for ext2, jump to ext4 and work backwards until it mounts without fussing about the miss-match. There are tools to convert from 2 to 3 and from 3 to 4 available but I've not used them in yonks and my memory fades with the years as the wet ram is now 81 yo, so I'll let someone else instruct on the finer points of those tool usages. > -- > Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. > You must learn to be slow in a hurry. > -Wyatt Earp- Something I've tried to practice myself, its a huge help on handgun accuracy. > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat May 14 04:00:03 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 23:00:03 -0500 Subject: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> <573627E7.2050809@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <5736A2C3.2050806@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 04:01 PM, David Lang wrote: > > One question you haven't asked, Is this an external drive (probably > plugged in via USB) It's an internal drive. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat May 14 04:50:06 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 23:50:06 -0500 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <201605132005.10048.gheskett@wdtv.com> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <201605132005.10048.gheskett@wdtv.com> Message-ID: <5736AE7E.4000102@swbell.net> On 05/13/2016 07:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 13 May 2016 14:22:43 Billie Walsh wrote: > >> fstab reads >> >> # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >> # >> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a >> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name >> devices # that works even if disks are added and removed. See >> fstab(5). # >> # >> # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation >> UUID=2ac05446-9d15-4b63-8bc0-df4e05a70644 / ext4 >> errors=remount-ro 0 1 >> # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation >> UUID=d0ae8325-da93-4221-a089-4260762971f6 none swap >> sw 0 0 >> #second hard drive >> UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 >> >> >> Should I add a "/" after Billie0W? >> > No. If dolphin finds it in /media/Billie0W, put that in your /etc/fstab > as a first step. Hint, all pathlists in the *nix world start with a > slash, which is the top most anchor point. In your case, if you do an > > ls -l / > > You will probably see a /media in the listing, but not an /mnt, so first > do an > > ls -l /media to see if it exists there, and if notso as root, do a > > mkdir /media/Billie0W > > just to make sure that mount point exists and is not a figment of > dolphins imagination, just one of the reasons this old timer uses mc to > do what you are doing with dolphin. > > And unless that 2nd drive is 15 years old, it probably is not an ext2 > file system, but ext3, possibly even ext4, all of which are considerably > more robust a file system than ext2 is. So if it works for ext2, jump to > ext4 and work backwards until it mounts without fussing about the > miss-match. There are tools to convert from 2 to 3 and from 3 to 4 > available but I've not used them in yonks and my memory fades with the > years as the wet ram is now 81 yo, so I'll let someone else instruct on > the finer points of those tool usages. > > The output of ls -l / is total 112 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 13 12:41 Billie0W drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Apr 26 09:27 bin drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 12 06:58 boot drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 26 2015 cdrom drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4520 May 13 13:53 dev drwxr-xr-x 154 root root 12288 May 13 13:53 etc drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 26 2015 home lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 May 12 06:56 initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-86-generic lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Apr 26 09:28 initrd.img.old -> boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-85-generic drwxr-xr-x 29 root root 4096 May 12 06:54 lib drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 3 14:10 lib32 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 3 14:10 lib64 drwx------ 2 root root 16384 Feb 26 2015 lost+found drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 May 13 13:53 media drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 10 2014 mnt drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 8 2015 opt dr-xr-xr-x 231 root root 0 May 13 13:52 proc drwx------ 10 root root 4096 Jul 2 2015 root drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 920 May 13 22:44 run drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Apr 26 09:25 sbin drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 16 2014 srv dr-xr-xr-x 13 root root 0 May 13 13:52 sys drwxrwxrwt 10 root root 4096 May 13 23:00 tmp drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Feb 26 2015 usr drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 Apr 16 2014 var lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 May 12 06:56 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-86-generic lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Apr 26 09:28 vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-85-generic ls -l /media gives total 8 drwxr-x---+ 2 root root 4096 May 13 11:50 billie0w drwxr-xr-x 5 billie0w billie0w 4096 May 13 22:48 Billie0W Maybe I should have set the mount point as "billie0w" rather than Billie0W. The drive is not that old. It's a SATA drive on sda. It was the original drive in this computer [ AMD quad core with 16 gigs memory ] when I bought it a few years ago and had Windows 7 on it. I didn't need Windows so I used gparted (sp?) to delete the old partition and created a new one using the whole drive. I then formatted it, don't know why ext2, and created one directory, Billie0W. In that directory I put all my web site files. How "media" got into the mix I have no idea. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From kassube at gmx.net Sat May 14 06:11:49 2016 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 08:11:49 +0200 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5736AE7E.4000102@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <201605132005.10048.gheskett@wdtv.com> <5736AE7E.4000102@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4046795.CQmdE07Hcf@p5915> Billie Walsh wrote: > ls -l /media gives > > total 8 > drwxr-x---+ 2 root root 4096 May 13 11:50 billie0w > drwxr-xr-x 5 billie0w billie0w 4096 May 13 22:48 Billie0W > > Maybe I should have set the mount point as "billie0w" rather than > Billie0W. Better don't do it. Your login is billie0w and therefore external disks would be mounted at /media/billie0w/, where is either the label (if it exists) or the UUID of the partition. If you move your external disk to /media/billie0w/, external disks would end up as a subdirectory of your second disk, which might be even more confusing. I'd rather mount the internal disk at a mountpoint which has the designated contents of the partition in its name - something like "webpages" in this case, or simply "data". Nils From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Sat May 14 06:56:23 2016 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 02:56:23 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5736AE7E.4000102@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <201605132005.10048.gheskett@wdtv.com> <5736AE7E.4000102@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5736CC17.1010902@cfl.rr.com> On 05/14/2016 12:50 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > On 05/13/2016 07:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 13 May 2016 14:22:43 Billie Walsh wrote: * * * SNIP! * * * > created one directory, Billie0W. In that directory I put all my web site > files. How "media" got into the mix I have no idea. > /media is one of the basic directories on the main hard drive. That is where you will find all the internal HDs on your computer. In the directory /dev you will find USB drives as well as external drives. Getting to know the directories in root(/) would be helpful in getting to know Linux. Good luck! Tom -- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .- Edmund Burke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That is > where you will find all the internal HDs on your computer. hmm, I have never seen an internal hard drive under /media I've only ever seen removable media there (cdrom/USB/etc) David Lang > In the directory /dev you will find USB drives as well as external > drives. Getting to know the directories in root(/) would be helpful in > getting to know Linux. > Good luck! > > Tom > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One with Kubuntu 14.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) 2. One with Kubuntu 16.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) Now I start the kubuntu 14.04 VM and habe the following timings +-2sec because I look on my watch: 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 18 sec 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 15 sec After a second try I get: 1. ... 21 sec 2. ... 14 sec Now I do the same test with kubuntu 16.04: 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 24 sec 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 23 sec After a second try I get: 1. ... 25 sec 2. ... 20 sec So I get the foolowing sums: Kubuntu 14.04 1. 33 s = 18 s + 15 s 2. 35 s = 21 s + 14 s Kubuntu 16.04 1. 47 s = 24 s + 23 s 2. 45 s = 25 s + 20 s OK, while these values are not soo precise there is a clear trand that kubuntu 16.04 seems to be slower on bootup, and on the login part. My questions: - do you observe similar values on your machines? - is the Virtual Box faking me? - is the login part slower due to plasma5 (Kde5 = qt5?) or the use of QML? (I don't know what plasma 5 is really working)? Thanks for a hint Anton From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat May 14 14:40:10 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 09:40:10 -0500 Subject: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5736338A000FF7BF@rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> <5736338A000FF7BF@rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> Message-ID: <573738CA.8040302@swbell.net> On 05/14/2016 09:11 AM, R Kimber wrote: > On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:01:18 -0500 > Billie Walsh wrote: > >> Now the path to the files looks funny. >> >> /media/Billie0W/Billie0W/HotSprings_TTTP/index.html > Surely the offline path is unimportant in the sense that it won't affect the > website - if all the internal links on the webpages have relative paths, > which they should. > > - Richard. It is. It's just a major pain in the posterior to have to drill down through the computer to get to the pages to edit and check in a browser. All internal links on the sites are relative so I can check everything [ except the server side stuff ] before I upload to the web. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat May 14 15:02:05 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 11:02:05 -0400 Subject: Question about boottime kubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <705AAA3C-30A6-4C19-87A3-23FA82CFDA17@bmarsh.com> > On May 14, 2016, at 10:28 AM, anton wrote: > > Hi, > > I did the following test: > on my kubuntu 14.04 (64bit) I used Virtual Box 4.3.36 to > create two virtual machines: > > 1. One with Kubuntu 14.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) > 2. One with Kubuntu 16.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) > > Now I start the kubuntu 14.04 VM and habe the following timings +-2sec > because I look on my watch: > > 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 18 sec > 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 15 sec > After a second try I get: > 1. ... 21 sec > 2. ... 14 sec > > Now I do the same test with kubuntu 16.04: > > 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 24 sec > 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 23 sec > After a second try I get: > 1. ... 25 sec > 2. ... 20 sec > > So I get the foolowing sums: > > Kubuntu 14.04 > 1. 33 s = 18 s + 15 s > 2. 35 s = 21 s + 14 s > > Kubuntu 16.04 > 1. 47 s = 24 s + 23 s > 2. 45 s = 25 s + 20 s > > > OK, while these values are not soo precise there > is a clear trand that kubuntu 16.04 seems to be slower on bootup, > and on the login part. > > My questions: > - do you observe similar values on your machines? > - is the Virtual Box faking me? > - is the login part slower due to plasma5 (Kde5 = qt5?) > or the use of QML? (I don't know what plasma 5 is really working)? > And my question is: Why does it matter?? I might boot my machine once a month or so... Even a minutes difference wouldn't make a hill-a-beans! But I'm not sure your virtual runs are accurate... I'm running 16.04 64bit and it seems a lot faster. It has always boggled my mind why people are so concerned about "boot time". From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sat May 14 15:14:44 2016 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 17:14:44 +0200 Subject: Question about boottime kubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 In-Reply-To: <705AAA3C-30A6-4C19-87A3-23FA82CFDA17@bmarsh.com> References: <705AAA3C-30A6-4C19-87A3-23FA82CFDA17@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <573740E4.2000004@gmail.com> On 14/05/2016 17:02, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: > > >> On May 14, 2016, at 10:28 AM, anton wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I did the following test: >> on my kubuntu 14.04 (64bit) I used Virtual Box 4.3.36 to >> create two virtual machines: >> >> 1. One with Kubuntu 14.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) >> 2. One with Kubuntu 16.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) >> >> Now I start the kubuntu 14.04 VM and habe the following timings +-2sec >> because I look on my watch: >> >> 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 18 sec >> 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 15 sec >> After a second try I get: >> 1. ... 21 sec >> 2. ... 14 sec >> >> Now I do the same test with kubuntu 16.04: >> >> 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 24 sec >> 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 23 sec >> After a second try I get: >> 1. ... 25 sec >> 2. ... 20 sec >> >> So I get the foolowing sums: >> >> Kubuntu 14.04 >> 1. 33 s = 18 s + 15 s >> 2. 35 s = 21 s + 14 s >> >> Kubuntu 16.04 >> 1. 47 s = 24 s + 23 s >> 2. 45 s = 25 s + 20 s >> >> >> OK, while these values are not soo precise there >> is a clear trand that kubuntu 16.04 seems to be slower on bootup, >> and on the login part. >> >> My questions: >> - do you observe similar values on your machines? >> - is the Virtual Box faking me? >> - is the login part slower due to plasma5 (Kde5 = qt5?) >> or the use of QML? (I don't know what plasma 5 is really working)? >> > > > And my question is: Why does it matter?? I might boot my machine once a month or so... Even a minutes difference wouldn't make a hill-a-beans! > > But I'm not sure your virtual runs are accurate... I'm running 16.04 64bit and it seems a lot faster. > > It has always boggled my mind why people are so concerned about "boot time". > Not everyone can keep their computers on for ages. For me it is powercuts, internet goes down on and off, KWin starts chewing RAM and so on. For me: have tried 16.04 around 4 times now. On 2 computers. Some or other thing goes wrong on every install. One boot on new laptop wireless is not on. On old laptop I get black screen. Have also tried Manjaro. Same thing. There is something in the whole Plasma 5 thing that is unstable. For now I hang on to old KDE4 From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat May 14 15:31:40 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 11:31:40 -0400 Subject: Question about boottime kubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 In-Reply-To: <573740E4.2000004@gmail.com> References: <705AAA3C-30A6-4C19-87A3-23FA82CFDA17@bmarsh.com> <573740E4.2000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On May 14, 2016, at 11:14 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > > Have also tried Manjaro. Same thing. There is something in the whole > Plasma 5 thing that is unstable. Maybe you've found the clue. I run XFCE and will most likely never run KDE again. If I wanted all that glitz, I'd run Windows. From mrmazda at earthlink.net Sat May 14 15:44:47 2016 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 11:44:47 -0400 Subject: mounting external storage (was: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue) In-Reply-To: <573738CA.8040302@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> <5736338A000FF7BF@rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <573738CA.8040302@swbell.net> Message-ID: <573747EF.3080705@earthlink.net> Billie Walsh composed on 2016-05-14 09:40 (UTC-0500): > It's just a major pain in the posterior to have to drill down > through the computer to get to the pages to edit This is the point my previous reply in this thread alluded to. You need not depend on udev to choose the mount location for external storage. Any optional filesystem can be mounted virtually any place your heart desires. That includes a location that will appear with no more clicks than it takes to open Dolphin. e.g.: add line to /etc/fstab (unless it already has some other entry for the device, in which case delete the old first, then add): LABEL=webstuffdisk /home//00webstuff ext2,user auto 0 0 then $ sudo e2label /dev/sdb1 webstuffdisk $ sudo mkdir /home//00webstuff If billie0w is your home directory, then replace with billie0w in the above. After restarting, when you open Dolphin with the external disk connected and powered on (and Dolphin is not set to show hidden files), then the Dolphin window's list of $HOME content will begin with the 00webstuff directory (folder). Likewise, if you open mc in your homedir, 00webstuff will be the topmost unhidden "file". -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat May 14 19:51:53 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 14:51:53 -0500 Subject: Question about boottime kubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <573781D9.9000809@swbell.net> On 05/14/2016 09:28 AM, anton wrote: > Hi, > > I did the following test: > on my kubuntu 14.04 (64bit) I used Virtual Box 4.3.36 to > create two virtual machines: > > 1. One with Kubuntu 14.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) > 2. One with Kubuntu 16.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) > > Now I start the kubuntu 14.04 VM and habe the following timings +-2sec > because I look on my watch: > > 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 18 sec > 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 15 sec > After a second try I get: > 1. ... 21 sec > 2. ... 14 sec > > Now I do the same test with kubuntu 16.04: > > 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 24 sec > 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 23 sec > After a second try I get: > 1. ... 25 sec > 2. ... 20 sec > > So I get the foolowing sums: > > Kubuntu 14.04 > 1. 33 s = 18 s + 15 s > 2. 35 s = 21 s + 14 s > > Kubuntu 16.04 > 1. 47 s = 24 s + 23 s > 2. 45 s = 25 s + 20 s > > > OK, while these values are not soo precise there > is a clear trand that kubuntu 16.04 seems to be slower on bootup, > and on the login part. > > My questions: > - do you observe similar values on your machines? > - is the Virtual Box faking me? > - is the login part slower due to plasma5 (Kde5 = qt5?) > or the use of QML? (I don't know what plasma 5 is really working)? > > > Thanks for a hint > > > Anton > > If you want fast boot times go to a solid state drive. My HP laptop with an AMD quad core and 8 gigs of ram boots up 14.04 in almost no time. That point when the splash screen shows each step in sequence as they load. All light up at once and your looking at the desktop. You go from the Grub boot select screen [ the laptop is dual booted ] to the desktop in less time than your time to login screen. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat May 14 21:32:14 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 17:32:14 -0400 Subject: Question about boottime kubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 In-Reply-To: <573781D9.9000809@swbell.net> References: <573781D9.9000809@swbell.net> Message-ID: > On May 14, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> On 05/14/2016 09:28 AM, anton wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I did the following test: >> on my kubuntu 14.04 (64bit) I used Virtual Box 4.3.36 to >> create two virtual machines: >> >> 1. One with Kubuntu 14.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) >> 2. One with Kubuntu 16.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) >> >> Now I start the kubuntu 14.04 VM and habe the following timings +-2sec >> because I look on my watch: >> >> 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 18 sec >> 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 15 sec >> After a second try I get: >> 1. ... 21 sec >> 2. ... 14 sec >> >> Now I do the same test with kubuntu 16.04: >> >> 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 24 sec >> 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 23 sec >> After a second try I get: >> 1. ... 25 sec >> 2. ... 20 sec >> >> So I get the foolowing sums: >> >> Kubuntu 14.04 >> 1. 33 s = 18 s + 15 s >> 2. 35 s = 21 s + 14 s >> >> Kubuntu 16.04 >> 1. 47 s = 24 s + 23 s >> 2. 45 s = 25 s + 20 s >> >> >> OK, while these values are not soo precise there >> is a clear trand that kubuntu 16.04 seems to be slower on bootup, >> and on the login part. >> >> My questions: >> - do you observe similar values on your machines? >> - is the Virtual Box faking me? >> - is the login part slower due to plasma5 (Kde5 = qt5?) >> or the use of QML? (I don't know what plasma 5 is really working)? >> >> >> Thanks for a hint >> >> >> Anton > > If you want fast boot times go to a solid state drive. My HP laptop with an AMD quad core and 8 gigs of ram boots up 14.04 in almost no time. That point when the splash screen shows each step in sequence as they load. All light up at once and your looking at the desktop. You go from the Grub boot select screen [ the laptop is dual booted ] to the desktop in less time than your time to login screen. +1 From richardkimber at btinternet.com Sat May 14 21:38:55 2016 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 22:38:55 +0100 Subject: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573738CA.8040302@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> <5736338A000FF7BF@rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <573738CA.8040302@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5734C21B003F870B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) On Sat, 14 May 2016 09:40:10 -0500 Billie Walsh wrote: > On 05/14/2016 09:11 AM, R Kimber wrote: > > On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:01:18 -0500 > > Billie Walsh wrote: > > > >> Now the path to the files looks funny. > >> > >> /media/Billie0W/Billie0W/HotSprings_TTTP/index.html > > Surely the offline path is unimportant in the sense that it won't > > affect the website - if all the internal links on the webpages have > > relative paths, which they should. > > > > - Richard. > > It is. It's just a major pain in the posterior to have to drill down > through the computer to get to the pages to edit and check in a browser. > All internal links on the sites are relative so I can check everything [ > except the server side stuff ] before I upload to the web. What editor do you use? I use Bluefish, which enables me to have projects for each website, such that each one opens at the root directory of that project. There's no 'drilling down' involved. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sat May 14 22:36:20 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 17:36:20 -0500 Subject: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5734C21B003F870B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> <5736338A000FF7BF@rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <573738CA.8040302@swbell.net> <5734C21B003F870B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> Message-ID: <5737A864.7070308@swbell.net> On 05/14/2016 04:38 PM, R Kimber wrote: > On Sat, 14 May 2016 09:40:10 -0500 > Billie Walsh wrote: > >> On 05/14/2016 09:11 AM, R Kimber wrote: >>> On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:01:18 -0500 >>> Billie Walsh wrote: >>> >>>> Now the path to the files looks funny. >>>> >>>> /media/Billie0W/Billie0W/HotSprings_TTTP/index.html >>> Surely the offline path is unimportant in the sense that it won't >>> affect the website - if all the internal links on the webpages have >>> relative paths, which they should. >>> >>> - Richard. >> It is. It's just a major pain in the posterior to have to drill down >> through the computer to get to the pages to edit and check in a browser. >> All internal links on the sites are relative so I can check everything [ >> except the server side stuff ] before I upload to the web. > What editor do you use? I use Bluefish, which enables me to have projects > for each website, such that each one opens at the root directory of that > project. There's no 'drilling down' involved. > > - Richard. I also use Bluefish. The issue is how the secondary is/was mounted. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From karsten.loh at gmx.de Sat May 14 23:08:19 2016 From: karsten.loh at gmx.de (Karsten Loh) Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 01:08:19 +0200 Subject: Question about boottime kubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 In-Reply-To: References: <573781D9.9000809@swbell.net> Message-ID: <5737AFE3.1080600@gmx.de> > OK, while these values are not soo precise there > is a clear trand that kubuntu 16.04 seems to be slower on bootup, > and on the login part. > > My questions: > - do you observe similar values on your machines? > - is the Virtual Box faking me? > - is the login part slower due to plasma5 (Kde5 = qt5?) > or the use of QML? (I don't know what plasma 5 is really working)? > > > Thanks for a hint > > > Anton >> If you want fast boot times go to a solid state drive. My HP laptop with an AMD quad core and 8 gigs of ram boots up 14.04 in almost no time. That point when the splash screen shows each step in sequence as they load. All light up at once and your looking at the desktop. You go from the Grub boot select screen [ the laptop is dual booted ] to the desktop in less time than your time to login screen. > > +1 > While I agree that a SSD helps tremendously with boot times I found that 16.04 takes VERY long for the login process and that seems not depend on the HD. Not sure what it is exactly, but something really takes its time. Karsten -- Evil Overlord Rule #114: I will never accept a challenge from the hero. From myriam at kde.org Sun May 15 19:24:51 2016 From: myriam at kde.org (Myriam Schweingruber) Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 21:24:51 +0200 Subject: Scarlett quits packaging? In-Reply-To: <5732D366.5060801@gmail.com> References: <5732D366.5060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sinclair, On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:38 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: > If I get it right, this: > http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2016/kubuntu-farewell-my-friends/ > means our main packager is leaving. How does this impact on a recently > LTS release? Is there someone to replace? > Sadly her post is made totally out of context which makes it appear a tad strange, the whole discussion can be read in the iRC logs here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/10/%23kubuntu-devel.html Tl;dr: Scarlett needed paid work to make a living, something Kubuntu sadly can't provide. Luckily for her she found a job, but that will leave her less time for Kubuntu. Luckily she is not the only Kubuntu dev, the others hang on :-) Regards, Myriam -- Proud member of the Amarok and KDE Community Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon May 16 04:01:51 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 23:01:51 -0500 Subject: { Solved } hopefully - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <573627E7.2050809@bmarsh.com> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <2293418.yFjrkCjB8R@stefan-ubu> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <573607CC.5000002@swbell.net> <261C7DEB-7E2B-4762-B530-9B30FAEE6AAA@bmarsh.com> <573610EE.1070200@swbell.net> <573616EB.7030702@swbell.net> <573618EC.9070804@bmarsh.com> <57361B73.2090202@swbell.net> <57362023.4060000@bmarsh.com> <5736247E.5070106@swbell.net> <573627E7.2050809@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <5739462F.9080403@swbell.net> Thanks to all for their assistance in this issue. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Mon May 16 15:35:57 2016 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:35:57 -0400 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735FEAA.9050509@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <5735FEAA.9050509@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1737988.eC5UpEYJt3@kirk> Seems that all the good advice and the not so clear advice was a bit confusing so I am writing this as a short fstab manual. (A TL:DR version is change the last number in your entry to a 2) So you have an internal hard drive and you want to have it automatically mount. Let’s think about where you want to mount it for a bit. In your case you use it to hold your web pages. Why don’t you make a folder under your ~/Documents folder? By default /media is owned by root and is so far removed from where you spend your time saving files that I see little sense in manually making folders and mounting disks there. Let the system do that with your thumb drives and such. The only reason that you should ever use fstab to mount something there is if your computer has multiple users that use different logins and they all need access to the disk. If it is just you using the computer then use a folder under your home folder. You know, keep all your stuff at home. Making an entry to mount a drive in the /etc/fstab file follows a certain format (duh!). The first part is the disk name, the second part is the mount point, third the file system type, fourth the options, the fifth part is always a zero (never looked up what it really is), and sixth part is the auto-fsck switch. I will walk through them and explain how to make an fstab entry for both ext and ntfs drives. This is an example of an ext4 formatted disk entry: UUID=a99999aa-a9a9-9999-99a9-999a9999999a /home/userme/.LinkMounts/LinkedMedia/TV ext4 nouser,relatime,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 2 The first part “UUID=...” is the unique UUID of the disk which you get by using the ‘sudo blkid’ command. You can also use the disk label as Felix wrote but the UUID will never change until you re-format the drive so that is what I like to use. NEVER use the /dev/sd.. name since this can change between reboots and will eventually break your mounting. The second part is the mount point “/home/userme/...” As you can see I actually mount this disk at an uncommon location but my disk setup is more complicated than most with 9 drives and more partitions. You can use any folder you want as long as it exists and you use the entire path name. So in your case, /home/?????/Documents/Webpages is a folder that makes sense to save your webpages in but you can do whatever you want with your machine. The third part is the file system that the disk is formatted as “ext4”. You would obviously use ext2. The fourth part is the options I use “nouser,relatime,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid” You don’t need all this but auto is important and may be all you need. I don’t remember what all those options do but I do remember looking them up for an ext4 drive and using them for a reason. Anyway I’ve never had a problem with all that so I keep them. The fifth part is a zero and always has been. The sixth part “2” is the file system check switch. This tells the computer when to check your disk for errors. If you put a zero there the machine will never, ever check your disk for errors. Fsck will never automatically run. A number greater that 0 will be checked after whatever many reboots and this is what you want to keep your data and your disk healthy. If you look at your original fstab you will see that the swap partition has a 0 at the end and the root partition has a 1 at the end. Swap will never be checked, root will be checked first. A good rule is to always use a 2 for any disk you put in your /etc/fstab file. When making an entry for an NTFS formatted drive, or a Windows hard drive, the file system part for anything Windows 7 and newer should be “ntfs-3g” and the options should be “rw,umask=0,uid=1000,gid=1000” where the ‘1000’ is your user id number which you can find under the ‘Account Details’ in your System Settings. So a complete fstab entry looks like this: UUID=9999999999999999 /home/alan/.LinkMounts/Distros/Windows7 ntfs-3g rw,umask=0,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 Notice how there is a zero at the end for the fsck switch? Let windows deal with that when you boot into it. The reason that you need to use uid (user id) and gid (group id) is because ntfs doesn’t know about ownership like linux does and sets the file system to read only by default so you need to explicitly tell the computer who owns the drive. Hope this helps. Alan On Friday, May 13, 2016 11:19:54 AM Billie Walsh wrote: > OK, some googling and a leap of faith and maybe Stefan gave me the hint. > > I googled "fstab" and found an Ubuntu page that explains things fairly > simply. The leap of faith was in attempting to edit it. I normally don't > diddle around in the nuts and bolts of the system. I don't know what I'm > doing but I can sometimes copy and paste with some good results. > > I learned that the funny number was the uuid of the drive. Simple enough > once you know what it is. The "path" to that drive and my files is/was > media/bilie0w/"uuid"/Billie0W/. All my files are under the "Billie0W" > directory(?) so I set the mount point as "Billie0W". It returned a file > system of "ext2" so I added that and made the other options 0 and 0. > > The new line in fstab now reads: > > UUID=5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee Billie0W ext2 auto 0 0 > > I'm praying I didn't trash my system. I didn't touch anything else in > there. Keep your fingers crossed. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zekkerj at gmail.com Mon May 16 16:02:32 2016 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 13:02:32 -0300 Subject: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> Message-ID: Hello Billie, I know that you seem to have already solved your issue. But as there was a lot of answers (and not all of them was focused on your problem), I could't see if you tried do place a label on your problematic disk. >From my experience, every additional file system mounted by (K)ubuntu is placed on /media//, where UserName is exactly what it means, and FSName is a choice of the File System Label, UUID, Device Name, or simply "DiskX", where X is a numerical sequence starting on "1". You can use "e2fslabel", "ntfslabel", etc. to label your file system. You can also use "gparted" to do it, but as it is a partitioning tool, you must have extreme caution using it. Hope that this can help you. 2016-05-13 10:14 GMT-03:00 Billie Walsh : > I have an issue with my second hard drive. It get address's like " > /media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". I use > it to store my web pages offline for editing. I make bookmarks in a browser > so I can view my work as I edit but after a reboot the bookmarks fail. > Something changes and the browser can't find the page. I can't "see" any > change in the address after the reboot. The numbers "look" the same. The > one above is from a fail to find in Firefox and Dolphin now shows > "file:///media/billie0w/5ec13406-3b24-42a6-be83-89871af43dee/Billie0W/***". > > I've been living with this issue for a while and don't remember exactly > when it started. I "think" it was when I had a hard drive die and installed > on a new one some time ago. Before this I have never seen an address like > that for my secondary hard drive. > > I have Kubuntu 14.04, fully up to date [ I'll move over to 16.04 sometime > this summer ] > > -- > Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. > You must learn to be slow in a hurry. > -Wyatt Earp- > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antonxx at gmx.de Mon May 16 19:41:43 2016 From: antonxx at gmx.de (anton) Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:41:43 +0200 Subject: Question about boottime kubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 References: <705AAA3C-30A6-4C19-87A3-23FA82CFDA17@bmarsh.com> <573740E4.2000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: > > >> On May 14, 2016, at 11:14 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> >> Have also tried Manjaro. Same thing. There is something in the whole >> Plasma 5 thing that is unstable. > > Maybe you've found the clue. I run XFCE and will most likely never run > KDE again. If I wanted all that glitz, I'd run Windows. Hi, thanks for the info ... but as I said: *K*ubuntu 16.04 which of course means KDE :-) Anton From antonxx at gmx.de Mon May 16 19:42:29 2016 From: antonxx at gmx.de (anton) Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:42:29 +0200 Subject: Question about boottime kubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 References: <705AAA3C-30A6-4C19-87A3-23FA82CFDA17@bmarsh.com> <573740E4.2000004@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmm thanks for the info, I think I'll stay with 14.04 for a while. Anton O. Sinclair wrote: > On 14/05/2016 17:02, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: >> >> >>> On May 14, 2016, at 10:28 AM, anton wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I did the following test: >>> on my kubuntu 14.04 (64bit) I used Virtual Box 4.3.36 to >>> create two virtual machines: >>> >>> 1. One with Kubuntu 14.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) >>> 2. One with Kubuntu 16.04 64 bit (fresh install without updates) >>> >>> Now I start the kubuntu 14.04 VM and habe the following timings +-2sec >>> because I look on my watch: >>> >>> 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 18 sec >>> 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 15 sec >>> After a second try I get: >>> 1. ... 21 sec >>> 2. ... 14 sec >>> >>> Now I do the same test with kubuntu 16.04: >>> >>> 1. Time from start to appearance of login screen: 24 sec >>> 2. Time from login until appearance of desktop: 23 sec >>> After a second try I get: >>> 1. ... 25 sec >>> 2. ... 20 sec >>> >>> So I get the foolowing sums: >>> >>> Kubuntu 14.04 >>> 1. 33 s = 18 s + 15 s >>> 2. 35 s = 21 s + 14 s >>> >>> Kubuntu 16.04 >>> 1. 47 s = 24 s + 23 s >>> 2. 45 s = 25 s + 20 s >>> >>> >>> OK, while these values are not soo precise there >>> is a clear trand that kubuntu 16.04 seems to be slower on bootup, >>> and on the login part. >>> >>> My questions: >>> - do you observe similar values on your machines? >>> - is the Virtual Box faking me? >>> - is the login part slower due to plasma5 (Kde5 = qt5?) >>> or the use of QML? (I don't know what plasma 5 is really working)? >>> >> >> >> And my question is: Why does it matter?? I might boot my machine once >> a month or so... Even a minutes difference wouldn't make a >> hill-a-beans! >> >> But I'm not sure your virtual runs are accurate... I'm running 16.04 >> 64bit and it seems a lot faster. >> >> It has always boggled my mind why people are so concerned about "boot >> time". >> > Not everyone can keep their computers on for ages. For me it is > powercuts, internet goes down on and off, KWin starts chewing RAM and so > on. > > For me: have tried 16.04 around 4 times now. On 2 computers. Some or > other thing goes wrong on every install. One boot on new laptop wireless > is not on. On old laptop I get black screen. > > Have also tried Manjaro. Same thing. There is something in the whole > Plasma 5 thing that is unstable. > > For now I hang on to old KDE4 From fluca1978 at infinito.it Tue May 17 11:42:03 2016 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 13:42:03 +0200 Subject: extracting info from nokia nbf files Message-ID: Hi all, I've found a few old backups of my Nokia 3230, I'd like to extract SMSes (I'm not interested in the address book) from the phone, and therefore I'm searching for a Linux application. NBUexplorer seems to be corrupted on the sourceforge side, at least the browser refuses to download it. Noki does not do the job: it is windows based and it fails extracting data from my archives, I guess because my SMSes were into folders. Any other chance? Luca From bilwalsh at swbell.net Tue May 17 14:22:23 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 09:22:23 -0500 Subject: Possibly Offtopic - Re: Second Hard Drive issue In-Reply-To: <1737988.eC5UpEYJt3@kirk> References: <5735D331.8050502@swbell.net> <5735F4DE.6090900@swbell.net> <5735FEAA.9050509@swbell.net> <1737988.eC5UpEYJt3@kirk> Message-ID: <573B291F.4070208@swbell.net> On 05/16/2016 10:35 AM, Alan Dacey (grokit) wrote: > Seems that all the good advice and the not so clear advice was a bit > confusing so I am writing this as a short fstab manual. I appreciate your attempt to help, really. I appreciate everyone’s help. But, I need to explain something. Back about 2000 I decided I had had enough of Windows trying to be my nanny. If I click on an icon I want it to run the associated program not ask me if I want it to run that program. Just get on with running it. As I relate to an average "Linux User" I'm a complete dumbass. Yes I admit it. When it comes to things that most of you do every day I have no clue. When I do a clean install I just let the installer do whatever it does. All I care about is if it runs when the installation is complete. For the most part that's just what I get. An operating system that just works. I'm not an "average Linux user". In reality I'm an average Windows user. The major difference is I prefer to use Linux. When the first replies came in on this thread fstab was mentioned. I had no idea what was being said. I had to google just to find out what fstab was and what it does. SO, back when I started using this extra hard drive to store stuff on I deleted the partition(s) that was(were) there and made a new one. Now I had to access it. Somewhere over the years I had learned that most everything in the computer could be located in Root > Dev. The problem is most of what's in there is written in Martian, or at least might as well be as far as I'm concerned. I did find it in Root > Media using Dolphin. How it got there and why I have no clue. That's just where I found it listed. A totally blank hard drive, partitioned and formatted. There was no "Home" or any other normal Linux directory. I created a directory Billie0W and using Dolphin I moved all my websites from the primary drive to the secondary. All was good. THEN, in an update somewhere along the line something changed. All of a sudden the, what I recently learned, was the uuid started showing up in the path to my files and bookmark links stopped working as they always had. OK, so now you know why I REALLY appreciate everyone's help. I see it every day on the various lists. An update comes in and breaks something. Just Linux life I guess. *<]:oD One thing I never quite get is why "they", whoever "they" is, say that Linux isn't ready for prime time. If an average idiot like me can use it, mostly, successfully for 16 years how is it not ready. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From nadreck at palain.com Tue May 17 15:31:33 2016 From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin O'Brien) Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 11:31:33 -0400 Subject: Scarlett quits packaging? In-Reply-To: References: <5732D366.5060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: I signed up for a Patreon pledge for her a few months back, but that total on Patreon never got very high, and not even a rounding error on a what full-time, support yourself job would be. I will leave my small pledge turned on for now. Regards, On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Hi Sinclair, > > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:38 AM, O. Sinclair wrote: >> If I get it right, this: >> http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2016/kubuntu-farewell-my-friends/ >> means our main packager is leaving. How does this impact on a recently >> LTS release? Is there someone to replace? >> > Sadly her post is made totally out of context which makes it appear a > tad strange, the whole discussion can be read in the iRC logs here: > http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/10/%23kubuntu-devel.html > Tl;dr: Scarlett needed paid work to make a living, something Kubuntu > sadly can't provide. Luckily for her she found a job, but that will > leave her less time for Kubuntu. > > Luckily she is not the only Kubuntu dev, the others hang on :-) > > Regards, Myriam > -- > Proud member of the Amarok and KDE Community > Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: > http://www.fsfe.org > Please don't send me proprietary file formats, > use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From basroufs at gmail.com Sat May 21 08:05:05 2016 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 10:05:05 +0200 Subject: How best to change the 'ownership' of a whole drive or directory via 1 or a few commands? Message-ID: Hello Everybody. Recently, I apparently made a mistake I can reconstruct only roughly. I tried to recover a few accidently deleted folders at 2 external HD's via 'photorec'. The recovery attempt was not reallly successful, however I it is no problem to get back the lost data in other ways. But another problem popped up. The 'ownership' of my external HD's have changed from #normal-user-name to #root. Normally, I do manage to change the ownership of a whole external drive via kdesudo dolphin > properties. However, this does not work now. Is there any commandline option to change back the ownership everything at /dev/sdb/ from #root to, in my case, #bas? A single folder OR file I can 'chown' via sudo mc. However, this does not work for underlying folders and files. Yours. Bas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sat May 21 09:04:33 2016 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:04:33 +0200 Subject: How best to change the 'ownership' of a whole drive or directory via 1 or a few commands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1565864.00Im4yNV31@p5915> Bas Roufs wrote: > But another problem popped up. The 'ownership' of my external HD's > have changed from #normal-user-name to #root. > > Normally, I do manage to change the ownership of a whole external > drive via kdesudo dolphin > properties. However, this does not work > now. Is there any commandline option to change back the ownership > everything at /dev/sdb/ from #root to, in my case, #bas? Provided you are talking about ext2/3/4 partitions, you can mount the individual partitions of sdb to e.g. /mnt and then use the command sudo chown -R $USER: /mnt in a terminal (konsole) - replace /mnt accordingly if you use a different location. Nils From basroufs at gmail.com Sat May 21 14:58:31 2016 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 16:58:31 +0200 Subject: How best to change the 'ownership' of a whole drive or directory via 1 or a few commands? In-Reply-To: <1565864.00Im4yNV31@p5915> References: <1565864.00Im4yNV31@p5915> Message-ID: Yes, I refer to ext4 partitions Op 21 mei 2016 11:05 schreef "Nils Kassube" : > Bas Roufs wrote: > > But another problem popped up. The 'ownership' of my external HD's > > have changed from #normal-user-name to #root. > > > > Normally, I do manage to change the ownership of a whole external > > drive via kdesudo dolphin > properties. However, this does not work > > now. Is there any commandline option to change back the ownership > > everything at /dev/sdb/ from #root to, in my case, #bas? > > Provided you are talking about ext2/3/4 partitions, you can mount the > individual partitions of sdb to e.g. /mnt and then use the command > > sudo chown -R $USER: /mnt > > in a terminal (konsole) - replace /mnt accordingly if you use a > different location. > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From list at xenhideout.nl Sat May 21 09:01:56 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:01:56 +0200 Subject: How best to change the 'ownership' of a whole drive or directory via 1 or a few commands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bas Roufs schreef op 21-05-2016 10:05: > Hello Everybody. > > Recently, I apparently made a mistake I can reconstruct only roughly. > I tried to recover a few accidently deleted folders at 2 external HD's > via 'photorec'. The recovery attempt was not reallly successful, > however I it is no problem to get back the lost data in other ways. > > But another problem popped up. The 'ownership' of my external HD's > have changed from #normal-user-name to #root. > > Normally, I do manage to change the ownership of a whole external > drive via kdesudo dolphin > properties. However, this does not work > now. Is there any commandline option to change back the ownership > everything at /dev/sdb/ from #root to, in my case, #bas? > > A single folder OR file I can 'chown' via sudo mc. However, this does > not work for underlying folders and files. Mine! Normally it can depend on the way it is mounted, but not always. FAT32 volumes do not have any ownership, so the ownership they get is that which is supplied at mount time. Normally if your user is in Kubuntu (KDE) it would get the ID of your user. In other volumes you may not need to do more than a recursive chown: chown -R /root/of/tree so: chown -R youruser.yourgroup /root/of/tree would do the trick (as root, because a regular user cannot change ownership of anything) It does not depend on /dev/sdb btw, you need to access the mount point. For vfat (and similar, such as remote "samba" mounts), you may need to supply a uid on the mount command line (or in fstab). From basroufs at gmail.com Mon May 23 11:09:50 2016 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas Roufs) Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 13:09:50 +0200 Subject: How best to change the 'ownership' of a whole drive or directory via 1 or a few commands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ISSUE SOLVED. Hello Xen, Nils and Everybody. Thanks for your advises - they worked out well for me. I have carried out the following commands: sudo -i (For getting into the root mode.) chown -R bas.bas /media/bas/Thuis (One of the external HD's.) chown -R bas.bas /media/bas/Thuishaven (Another external HD) chown -R bas.bas /home/bas/Desktop (Also that folder was owned by root.) However it may be - the above commands worked like a charm. It took less then 5 minutes per command. Yours. Bas. 2016-05-21 11:01 GMT+02:00 Xen : > Bas Roufs schreef op 21-05-2016 10:05: > >> Hello Everybody. >> >> Recently, I apparently made a mistake I can reconstruct only roughly. >> I tried to recover a few accidently deleted folders at 2 external HD's >> via 'photorec'. The recovery attempt was not reallly successful, >> however I it is no problem to get back the lost data in other ways. >> >> But another problem popped up. The 'ownership' of my external HD's >> have changed from #normal-user-name to #root. >> >> Normally, I do manage to change the ownership of a whole external >> drive via kdesudo dolphin > properties. However, this does not work >> now. Is there any commandline option to change back the ownership >> everything at /dev/sdb/ from #root to, in my case, #bas? >> >> A single folder OR file I can 'chown' via sudo mc. However, this does >> not work for underlying folders and files. >> > > Mine! > > Normally it can depend on the way it is mounted, but not always. > > FAT32 volumes do not have any ownership, so the ownership they get is that > which is supplied at mount time. Normally if your user is in Kubuntu (KDE) > it would get the ID of your user. > > In other volumes you may not need to do more than a recursive chown: > > chown -R /root/of/tree > > so: > > chown -R youruser.yourgroup /root/of/tree > > would do the trick (as root, because a regular user cannot change > ownership of anything) > > It does not depend on /dev/sdb btw, you need to access the mount point. > > For vfat (and similar, such as remote "samba" mounts), you may need to > supply a uid on the mount command line (or in fstab). > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is this 1.99GiB a correct size for a SWAP at the SSD in the laptop indicated above? Reason of this question: I want to manually partition the HDD as follows: sda1, primary partition at /: ext4, Kubuntu 16.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB. sda2 or sda3: extended partition ======================= + SWAP: 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB? + sda4 or sda5 at /Kubuntu14.04, ext4: Kubuntu 14.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB; + sda5 or sda6 at /Data, ext4: Data partition. Symlinks from there to Home at Kubuntu 16.04 and 14.04. Finally - is there anything else I need to take into account when partitioning the SSD in the laptop dealt with in this message? Yours. Bas. -- Bas G. Roufs Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zekkerj at gmail.com Mon May 23 13:34:12 2016 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:34:12 -0300 Subject: What size does a SWAP need at a modern 500 GB SSD at a 32 bit laptop with 4 GB RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bas, A 32 bit laptop will make little use of additional RAM, as even with PAE, each process will be limited to 3.9 GB of usable RAM. There used to be a "rule of thumb" of reserving 2 times the size of RAM for swap, which lately turned into reserving the same size of RAM. So, I imagine that if you don't intend to use heavy applications, like databases or image editing, you will not need a swap at all. 2016-05-23 9:28 GMT-03:00 Bas Roufs : > Hello Everybody. > > Ever since a few days I have this 'Solid State Drive' (SSD) in my laptop: > > Samsung V-Nand SSD 850 EVO, 465.67 GiB/ 500 GB, > > My laptop is a 32 bits Asus Eee PC 1025C 'Flare Series' - with a RAM > memory expanded from 2 to 4 GB. > > I am wondering how best to partition this SSD and how big the SWAP > partition has to be. For the time being, I am using Kubuntu 14.04, > installed via a 'guided' install, using the entire disk. Reason of this: I > am not sure about the size a SWAP partition needs at a SSD. Some sites > advise to not use any SWAP at al. Others urge to keep using a SWAP, however > about just 2 GB instead of 6 to 8 GB at a traditional 'spinning' disk. The > guided install I have done a few days ago, delivers a SWAP of > 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB. Is this 1.99GiB a correct size for a SWAP at the SSD in > the laptop indicated above? > > Reason of this question: I want to manually partition the HDD as follows: > > sda1, primary partition at /: ext4, Kubuntu 16.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB. > > sda2 or sda3: extended partition > ======================= > + SWAP: 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB? > + sda4 or sda5 at /Kubuntu14.04, ext4: Kubuntu 14.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB; > + sda5 or sda6 at /Data, ext4: Data partition. Symlinks from there to Home > at Kubuntu 16.04 and 14.04. > > Finally - is there anything else I need to take into account when > partitioning the SSD in the laptop dealt with in this message? > > Yours. > Bas. > > > > > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owlman.lists at gmail.com Mon May 23 14:11:08 2016 From: owlman.lists at gmail.com (John Reid) Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 00:11:08 +1000 Subject: What size does a SWAP need at a modern 500 GB SSD at a 32 bit laptop with 4 GB RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57430F7C.1060800@gmail.com> Hi, If I recall correctly, hibernate (if enabled, not by default) uses the swap partition (or a swap file, except on btrfs) to store the restore image. So if you plan on using suspend-to-disk, you need a swap space. A good source of info is https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation_into_swap_file Cheers, John On 23/05/16 23:34, José Queiroz wrote: > Hi Bas, > > A 32 bit laptop will make little use of additional RAM, as even with PAE, > each process will be limited to 3.9 GB of usable RAM. > There used to be a "rule of thumb" of reserving 2 times the size of RAM for > swap, which lately turned into reserving the same size of RAM. > > So, I imagine that if you don't intend to use heavy applications, like > databases or image editing, you will not need a swap at all. > > > 2016-05-23 9:28 GMT-03:00 Bas Roufs : > >> Hello Everybody. >> >> Ever since a few days I have this 'Solid State Drive' (SSD) in my laptop: >> >> Samsung V-Nand SSD 850 EVO, 465.67 GiB/ 500 GB, >> >> My laptop is a 32 bits Asus Eee PC 1025C 'Flare Series' - with a RAM >> memory expanded from 2 to 4 GB. >> >> I am wondering how best to partition this SSD and how big the SWAP >> partition has to be. For the time being, I am using Kubuntu 14.04, >> installed via a 'guided' install, using the entire disk. Reason of this: I >> am not sure about the size a SWAP partition needs at a SSD. Some sites >> advise to not use any SWAP at al. Others urge to keep using a SWAP, however >> about just 2 GB instead of 6 to 8 GB at a traditional 'spinning' disk. The >> guided install I have done a few days ago, delivers a SWAP of >> 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB. Is this 1.99GiB a correct size for a SWAP at the SSD in >> the laptop indicated above? >> >> Reason of this question: I want to manually partition the HDD as follows: >> >> sda1, primary partition at /: ext4, Kubuntu 16.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB. >> >> sda2 or sda3: extended partition >> ======================= >> + SWAP: 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB? >> + sda4 or sda5 at /Kubuntu14.04, ext4: Kubuntu 14.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB; >> + sda5 or sda6 at /Data, ext4: Data partition. Symlinks from there to Home >> at Kubuntu 16.04 and 14.04. >> >> Finally - is there anything else I need to take into account when >> partitioning the SSD in the laptop dealt with in this message? >> >> Yours. >> Bas. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Bas G. Roufs >> >> Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; >> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > > From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Mon May 23 15:00:43 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 11:00:43 -0400 Subject: What size does a SWAP need at a modern 500 GB SSD at a 32 bit laptop with 4 GB RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C62DC86-AE8F-4544-93D0-3B0AC735DB04@bmarsh.com> I would google for Linux setup of a SSD. There are some things to consider but one thing mentioned is to leave 10% UNALLOCATED but no more than 10gb. The drive can't use the space to optimize things. > On May 23, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Bas Roufs wrote: > > Hello Everybody. > > Ever since a few days I have this 'Solid State Drive' (SSD) in my laptop: > > Samsung V-Nand SSD 850 EVO, 465.67 GiB/ 500 GB, > > My laptop is a 32 bits Asus Eee PC 1025C 'Flare Series' - with a RAM memory expanded from 2 to 4 GB. > > I am wondering how best to partition this SSD and how big the SWAP partition has to be. For the time being, I am using Kubuntu 14.04, installed via a 'guided' install, using the entire disk. Reason of this: I am not sure about the size a SWAP partition needs at a SSD. Some sites advise to not use any SWAP at al. Others urge to keep using a SWAP, however about just 2 GB instead of 6 to 8 GB at a traditional 'spinning' disk. The guided install I have done a few days ago, delivers a SWAP of > 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB. Is this 1.99GiB a correct size for a SWAP at the SSD in the laptop indicated above? > > Reason of this question: I want to manually partition the HDD as follows: > > sda1, primary partition at /: ext4, Kubuntu 16.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB. > > sda2 or sda3: extended partition > ======================= > + SWAP: 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB? > + sda4 or sda5 at /Kubuntu14.04, ext4: Kubuntu 14.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB; > + sda5 or sda6 at /Data, ext4: Data partition. Symlinks from there to Home at Kubuntu 16.04 and 14.04. > > Finally - is there anything else I need to take into account when partitioning the SSD in the laptop dealt with in this message? > > Yours. > Bas. > > > > > > -- > Bas G. Roufs > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon May 23 22:17:50 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 17:17:50 -0500 Subject: What size does a SWAP need at a modern 500 GB SSD at a 32 bit laptop with 4 GB RAM? In-Reply-To: <7C62DC86-AE8F-4544-93D0-3B0AC735DB04@bmarsh.com> References: <7C62DC86-AE8F-4544-93D0-3B0AC735DB04@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <5743818E.7050208@swbell.net> I've been running an SSD for some time. Now, I have to admit that it isn't in use all day every day. It's mainly used to substitute for my desktop at home on our trips to Wichita several times a year. When I installed 14.04 on it some time ago ii just let the installer do it's thing. It has performed flawlessly for at least two years in two different laptops. [ another story ] -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From cody.smith at ubuntu.com Tue May 24 15:54:10 2016 From: cody.smith at ubuntu.com (Cody Smith) Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:54:10 +0000 Subject: How best to change the 'ownership' of a whole drive or directory via 1 or a few commands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Someone commandline utilities are the best tools for the job such as in this case On Mon, May 23, 2016, 4:11 AM Bas Roufs wrote: > ISSUE SOLVED. > > Hello Xen, Nils and Everybody. > > Thanks for your advises - they worked out well for me. > > I have carried out the following commands: > > sudo -i > (For getting into the root mode.) > > chown -R bas.bas /media/bas/Thuis > (One of the external HD's.) > > chown -R bas.bas /media/bas/Thuishaven > (Another external HD) > chown -R bas.bas /home/bas/Desktop > > (Also that folder was owned by root.) > > However it may be - the above commands worked like a charm. It took less > then 5 minutes per command. > > Yours. > > Bas. > > > 2016-05-21 11:01 GMT+02:00 Xen : > >> Bas Roufs schreef op 21-05-2016 10:05: >> >>> Hello Everybody. >>> >>> Recently, I apparently made a mistake I can reconstruct only roughly. >>> I tried to recover a few accidently deleted folders at 2 external HD's >>> via 'photorec'. The recovery attempt was not reallly successful, >>> however I it is no problem to get back the lost data in other ways. >>> >>> But another problem popped up. The 'ownership' of my external HD's >>> have changed from #normal-user-name to #root. >>> >>> Normally, I do manage to change the ownership of a whole external >>> drive via kdesudo dolphin > properties. However, this does not work >>> now. Is there any commandline option to change back the ownership >>> everything at /dev/sdb/ from #root to, in my case, #bas? >>> >>> A single folder OR file I can 'chown' via sudo mc. However, this does >>> not work for underlying folders and files. >>> >> >> Mine! >> >> Normally it can depend on the way it is mounted, but not always. >> >> FAT32 volumes do not have any ownership, so the ownership they get is >> that which is supplied at mount time. Normally if your user is in Kubuntu >> (KDE) it would get the ID of your user. >> >> In other volumes you may not need to do more than a recursive chown: >> >> chown -R /root/of/tree >> >> so: >> >> chown -R youruser.yourgroup /root/of/tree >> >> would do the trick (as root, because a regular user cannot change >> ownership of anything) >> >> It does not depend on /dev/sdb btw, you need to access the mount point. >> >> For vfat (and similar, such as remote "samba" mounts), you may need to >> supply a uid on the mount command line (or in fstab). >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > > > -- > > Bas G. Roufs > > Utrecht, NL, E. BasRoufs at gmail.com; Mob. +31 6 446 835 10; > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From post at volker-wysk.de Tue May 24 16:09:49 2016 From: post at volker-wysk.de (Volker Wysk) Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:09:49 +0200 Subject: What size does a SWAP need at a modern 500 GB SSD at a 32 bit laptop with 4 GB RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2802446.7JNRTAD4iq@desktop> Am Montag, 23. Mai 2016, 14:28:47 CEST schrieb Bas Roufs: > Hello Everybody. > > Ever since a few days I have this 'Solid State Drive' (SSD) in my laptop: > > Samsung V-Nand SSD 850 EVO, 465.67 GiB/ 500 GB, > > My laptop is a 32 bits Asus Eee PC 1025C 'Flare Series' - with a RAM memory > expanded from 2 to 4 GB. > > I am wondering how best to partition this SSD and how big the SWAP > partition has to be. For the time being, I am using Kubuntu 14.04, > installed via a 'guided' install, using the entire disk. Reason of this: I > am not sure about the size a SWAP partition needs at a SSD. Some sites > advise to not use any SWAP at al. Others urge to keep using a SWAP, however > about just 2 GB instead of 6 to 8 GB at a traditional 'spinning' disk. The > guided install I have done a few days ago, delivers a SWAP of > 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB. Is this 1.99GiB a correct size for a SWAP at the SSD in > the laptop indicated above? > > Reason of this question: I want to manually partition the HDD as follows: > > sda1, primary partition at /: ext4, Kubuntu 16.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB. > > sda2 or sda3: extended partition > ======================= > + SWAP: 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB? > + sda4 or sda5 at /Kubuntu14.04, ext4: Kubuntu 14.04, 100 GiB/ 107.37 GB; > + sda5 or sda6 at /Data, ext4: Data partition. Symlinks from there to Home > at Kubuntu 16.04 and 14.04. > > Finally - is there anything else I need to take into account when > partitioning the SSD in the laptop dealt with in this message? If you want to put a partition on the SDD, you may as well use a swap file on that partition, rather than a separate swap partition. But you also might want to use (most of) the SSD as a persistent cache for a hard disk (if present). See the man page of lvmcache. Bye Volker From list at xenhideout.nl Tue May 24 14:05:28 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:05:28 +0200 Subject: What size does a SWAP need at a modern 500 GB SSD at a 32 bit laptop with 4 GB RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9eab2bc0bc2af9b45639af6ff0f9e6f0@dds.nl> Hoi Bas, Bas Roufs schreef op 23-05-2016 14:28: > 1.99 GiB/ 2.14 GB. Is this 1.99GiB a correct size for a SWAP at the > SSD in the laptop indicated above? Like another person has said.... If you have a 500GB disk, which comes down to ~480 or so, then 4GB is going to be 1/120th. It is not like you are going to suffer for it if you do have one of that size. I would always pick one the same size as your memory. And, even though 64-bit may see perhaps a 33% growth in memory consumption, that means 4 GB would turn into ~5.33 GB, and 4 GB would be the equivalent of 3GB the other way around. If you consider 5.33 GB good enough for a 64-bit system, many people these days, don't. Don't forget, whatever is in swap is not in your RAM, and whatever is not in your RAM, leaves buffers for improved IO performance. You may even increase the aggressiveness of SWAP if you'd like :p. (/proc/sys/vm/swappiness) to a value of around 90 (would have to redo that every boot). Especially since, on an SSD, you will hardly notice? Also, that 3.9GB process space PER PROCESS that the other person mentions, who cares? If anything, that's a good limit on a runaway system, in case something goes haywire. You won't usually find anything that needs to use >4GB per process anyway, I believe. But regardless. Good luck. From fluca1978 at infinito.it Wed May 25 10:43:35 2016 From: fluca1978 at infinito.it (Luca Ferrari) Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 12:43:35 +0200 Subject: doubt about iostat output Message-ID: Hi all, I'm copying data between two USB disk, both ext4. Now the source hdd provides 1MB/s throughput, as reported by hdparm tests, but the dest hdd is writing at an higher speed. The thing is that monitoring with iostat the copy I _always_ see at least a double speed of writing and of transactions on the destination hdd. For instance: avg-cpu: %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle 3,52 0,00 1,01 50,00 0,00 45,48 Device: tps kB_read/s kB_wrtn/s kB_read kB_wrtn sdc 26,50 0,00 2970,00 0 5940 sdd 10,00 1024,00 0,00 2048 0 My doubt is: if the source hdd (sdd) is doing 10 tps), how can the destination hdd (sdc) _always_ write the double? I don't get how and where the data read is cached, since also the destination tps are higher than the source one. Thanks, Luca From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Wed May 25 20:14:53 2016 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 16:14:53 -0400 Subject: doubt about iostat output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <574607BD.9010607@cfl.rr.com> I would say that the write speed is faster, but that does not mean that it is writing for the same period of time that the other disk is being read. Writing to a "clean" drive means that it can write at the faster speed, while the other drive is reading at a slower speed. If it finished writing before the other disk finished reading, then I would say something is wrong. Good luck! Tom On 05/25/2016 06:43 AM, Luca Ferrari wrote: > Hi all, > I'm copying data between two USB disk, both ext4. Now the source hdd > provides 1MB/s throughput, as reported by hdparm tests, but the dest > hdd is writing at an higher speed. The thing is that monitoring with > iostat the copy I _always_ see at least a double speed of writing and > of transactions on the destination hdd. For instance: > > avg-cpu: %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle > 3,52 0,00 1,01 50,00 0,00 45,48 > > Device: tps kB_read/s kB_wrtn/s kB_read kB_wrtn > > sdc 26,50 0,00 2970,00 0 5940 > sdd 10,00 1024,00 0,00 2048 0 > > My doubt is: if the source hdd (sdd) is doing 10 tps), how can the > destination hdd (sdc) _always_ write the double? I don't get how and > where the data read is cached, since also the destination tps are > higher than the source one. > > Thanks, > Luca > -- "How come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette?" - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cbell44.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 149 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ralsa at openmailbox.org Sun May 29 18:55:12 2016 From: ralsa at openmailbox.org (Carlos A.F.) Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 20:55:12 +0200 Subject: Plasma-systray-legacy: No gtk icons un tray... again Message-ID: <574B3B10.3010903@openmailbox.org> All the gtl icons (dropbox, mega, hplip, Telegram...) does not appear in systray after update to plasma 5.6 in 16.04. The package "plasma-systray-legacy" can not be installed. "dpkg: error processing the file /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-systray-legacy_0~git20151104-ded1538-2_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/autostart/xembedsniproxy.desktop', that also is in the file plasma-workspace 4:5.6.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa" From clay at claydoh.com Sun May 29 22:51:02 2016 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 18:51:02 -0400 Subject: Plasma-systray-legacy: No gtk icons un tray... again In-Reply-To: <574B3B10.3010903@openmailbox.org> References: <574B3B10.3010903@openmailbox.org> Message-ID: <5366608.QijWW9Zidc@jake-latitude-e6420> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 8:55:12 PM EDT Carlos A.F. wrote: > All the gtl icons (dropbox, mega, hplip, Telegram...) does not appear in > systray after update to plasma 5.6 in 16.04. > > The package "plasma-systray-legacy" can not be installed. > > "dpkg: error processing the file > /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-systray-legacy_0~git20151104-ded1538-2_amd64. > deb (--unpack): > trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/autostart/xembedsniproxy.desktop', that > also is in the file plasma-workspace 4:5.6.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa" Isn't this built in to Plasma directly now? On 5.6.4 I have the hplip, dropbox, MegaSync, Viber and telegram running with tray icons without having that package installed. The apt error seems to indicate that the plasma-systray-legacy package is trying to overwrite an identical file already present in plasma-workspace, which makes me think that the support is already included. -- Clay Weber From samorris at netspace.net.au Tue May 31 21:38:14 2016 From: samorris at netspace.net.au (Stephen Morris) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 07:38:14 +1000 Subject: No Display Manager in Kubuntu 16.04 After Upgrade From Kubuntu 15.10 Message-ID: <8ced52ce-574b-2693-05f5-e196ddfee04b@netspace.net.au> Hi, After receiving notification that there was an upgrade for Kubuntu available (not that I actually have Kubuntu installed, I have Ubuntu installed with KDE installed as an addon), I ran a sudo do-release-upgrade to undertake the upgrade. This process downloaded between 2500 - 2600 packages. After the upgrade, when I boot into the os, the boot process wants to start SDDM but the start fails, and every re-attempt to start it fails. Using systemctl to attempt to start the service manually fails with no meaningful messages, and systemctl status sddm.service doesn't show any meaningful messages either. If I issue the command, systemctl start lightdm.service, that starts the DM quite happily. I have checked /etc/X11/default-display-manager and that had the command /usr/bin/lightdm as the display manager to launch, but that location in not the location where lightdm is installed. I have replaced this command with /usr/sbin/lightdm, but on a reboot the boot process still tries to unsuccessfully load SDDM. I have also noticed that the location of SDDM, unlike Lightdm, is actually /usr/bin/sddm. Is anyone able to shed some light on why the 16.04 boot wants to always start SDDM even though the default display manager is set to lightdm, and also why sddm cannot actually start? Could it be that the sddm.service process is looking for sddm in /usr/sbin when it is actually in /usr/bin, and if so, would a symlink in /usr/sbin back to /usr/bin/sddm rectify the issue? regards, Steve From clay at claydoh.com Tue May 31 22:46:09 2016 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 18:46:09 -0400 Subject: No Display Manager in Kubuntu 16.04 After Upgrade From Kubuntu 15.10 In-Reply-To: <8ced52ce-574b-2693-05f5-e196ddfee04b@netspace.net.au> References: <8ced52ce-574b-2693-05f5-e196ddfee04b@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: <18542858.N3WmVmFsn1@jake-latitude-e6420> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 7:38:14 AM EDT Stephen Morris wrote: > Hi, > > After receiving notification that there was an upgrade for Kubuntu > available (not that I actually have Kubuntu installed, I have Ubuntu > installed with KDE installed as an addon), I ran a sudo > do-release-upgrade to undertake the upgrade. This process downloaded > between 2500 - 2600 packages. > > After the upgrade, when I boot into the os, the boot process wants > to start SDDM but the start fails, and every re-attempt to start it > fails. Using systemctl to attempt to start the service manually fails > with no meaningful messages, and systemctl status sddm.service doesn't > show any meaningful messages either. If I issue the command, systemctl > start lightdm.service, that starts the DM quite happily. > > I have checked /etc/X11/default-display-manager and that had the > command /usr/bin/lightdm as the display manager to launch, but that > location in not the location where lightdm is installed. I have replaced > this command with /usr/sbin/lightdm, but on a reboot the boot process > still tries to unsuccessfully load SDDM. I have also noticed that the > location of SDDM, unlike Lightdm, is actually /usr/bin/sddm. > > Is anyone able to shed some light on why the 16.04 boot wants to > always start SDDM even though the default display manager is set to > lightdm, and also why sddm cannot actually start? Could it be that the > sddm.service process is looking for sddm in /usr/sbin when it is > actually in /usr/bin, and if so, would a symlink in /usr/sbin back to > /usr/bin/sddm rectify the issue? > > regards, > > Steve My guess, not knowing exactly how you installed Plamsa desktop as an "addon" would be that though sddm was installed it may not have been registered or activated or whatever with systemd perhaps? "meaningless" output might actually be useful here. $ sudo systemctl start sddm shows nothing? You can try this to register sddm in systemd: $ sudo systemctl enable sddm.service -f You can also Try running $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm ## or sddm this should bring up a dialog to choose which login manager to use as default. You should be able to select lightdm which is the default for Ubuntu anyway. I am not sure if the /etc/X11/default-display-manager specifies what happens when you use the start x manually rather than what the init starts up. I have no idea where lightdm should go, but I doubt symlinking probably will do nothing useful. -- Clay Weber