From post at volker-wysk.de Tue Nov 1 07:47:54 2016 From: post at volker-wysk.de (Volker Wysk) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 08:47:54 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu PPA doesn't work In-Reply-To: <6512202.mMhzORsmHF@jake-latitude-e6420> References: <1976356.oz5nkb5pk6@desktop> <2154100.XOA77oEyQk@desktop> <6512202.mMhzORsmHF@jake-latitude-e6420> Message-ID: <2276633.LQL9ujZPaZ@desktop> Am Montag, 31. Oktober 2016, 14:52:32 CET schrieb Clay Weber: > The ppa is not empty, it does not provide packages for each and every Ubuntu > release. Many PPAs do not. Yes, that's what I meant to say. It's "empty" for my release (Xenial). > Probably the place to add the bug, or rather a feature request, on the > script would be to file it against software-properties-common, which is > the package that provides the add-apt-repository script. I think, it would rather be the package "apt", which contains the "apt" and "apt-get" commands, which fail on "apt update". I'll file the bug report for "apt" - if ubuntu-bug works... Bye, V.W. From clay at claydoh.com Tue Nov 1 08:41:49 2016 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 04:41:49 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu PPA doesn't work In-Reply-To: <2276633.LQL9ujZPaZ@desktop> References: <1976356.oz5nkb5pk6@desktop> <2154100.XOA77oEyQk@desktop> <6512202.mMhzORsmHF@jake-latitude-e6420> <2276633.LQL9ujZPaZ@desktop> Message-ID: <81CCB762-BB39-4C16-B776-B145BC655AF3@claydoh.com> On November 1, 2016 3:47:54 AM EDT, Volker Wysk wrote: >Am Montag, 31. Oktober 2016, 14:52:32 CET schrieb Clay Weber: >> The ppa is not empty, it does not provide packages for each and every >Ubuntu >> release. Many PPAs do not. > >Yes, that's what I meant to say. It's "empty" for my release (Xenial). > > >> Probably the place to add the bug, or rather a feature request, on >the >> script would be to file it against software-properties-common, which >is >> the package that provides the add-apt-repository script. > >I think, it would rather be the package "apt", which contains the "apt" >and >"apt-get" commands, which fail on "apt update". I'll file the bug >report for >"apt" - if ubuntu-bug works... > > >Bye, >V.W. > > >-- >kubuntu-users mailing list >kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users As mentioned, it is the add-apt-repository script that does not check to see if there are any relevant packages in a given ppa before adding it to your software sources. Apt itself has nothing to do with this as it is not the tool being used to modify your software sources. software-sources-common *is* the correct package to file a bug report against. http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/software-properties-common/filelist -- Clay Weber http://claydoh.com http://kubuntu.org http://kubuntuforums.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From post at volker-wysk.de Tue Nov 1 14:17:51 2016 From: post at volker-wysk.de (Volker Wysk) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 15:17:51 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu PPA doesn't work In-Reply-To: <81CCB762-BB39-4C16-B776-B145BC655AF3@claydoh.com> References: <1976356.oz5nkb5pk6@desktop> <2276633.LQL9ujZPaZ@desktop> <81CCB762-BB39-4C16-B776-B145BC655AF3@claydoh.com> Message-ID: <2457973.3QByBqKk5v@desktop> Am Dienstag, 1. November 2016, 04:41:49 CET schrieb Clay Weber: > As mentioned, it is the add-apt-repository script that does not check to see > if there are any relevant packages in a given ppa before adding it to your > software sources. Apt itself has nothing to do with this as it is not the > tool being used to modify your software sources. > > software-sources-common *is* the correct package to file a bug report > against. But shouldn't the PPA be added by add-apt-repository, even when it is, at the moment, empty with respect to the relevant release? There might be packages in it later. I think, there simply should be no error message, in this case, when "apt update" is run. Cheers, V.W. From clay at claydoh.com Tue Nov 1 18:29:40 2016 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 14:29:40 -0400 Subject: Kubuntu PPA doesn't work In-Reply-To: <2457973.3QByBqKk5v@desktop> References: <1976356.oz5nkb5pk6@desktop> <81CCB762-BB39-4C16-B776-B145BC655AF3@claydoh.com> <2457973.3QByBqKk5v@desktop> Message-ID: <2106902.L8Mic4UElD@jake-latitude-e6420> On Tuesday, November 1, 2016 3:17:51 PM EDT Volker Wysk wrote: > > But shouldn't the PPA be added by add-apt-repository, even when it is, at > the moment, empty with respect to the relevant release? There might be > packages in it later. > > I think, there simply should be no error message, in this case, when "apt > update" is run. > > Cheers, > V.W. I think the error message sums up why Debian has apt's default configuration set to be this way, and a manpage to view with further information, even showing which of apt's configuration settings controls this, so there is no actual bug in Debain's system, as you are still able to upgrade your packages despite this error message, right? > E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu xenial > Release' does not have a Release file. > N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore > disabled by default. > N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration > details. -- Clay Weber From ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 20:17:05 2016 From: ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com (Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:17:05 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Vision Meeting - Last minute announcement Message-ID: Hello everybody. In about an hour the Kubuntu Vision meeting will start. In this meeting we plan to discuss the vision of Kubuntu: Who we are, what are we doing, why are we doing this? and many more things. Agenda here: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Vision We invite you all to attend. The meeting will take place in http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ Room 1, use your own username (what ever you want), password: welcome. Ovidiu - Florin BOGDAN GeekAliens.com Kubuntu România From dutch.glory at yahoo.com Wed Nov 2 15:52:29 2016 From: dutch.glory at yahoo.com (Dutch Glory) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 15:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: 17.04 installation failed..!! References: <1143640618.440975.1478101949268.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1143640618.440975.1478101949268@mail.yahoo.com> with creating/formating partitions ended with crash... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartitionModel.py", line 67, in setData self.emit (AttributeError: 'PartitionModel' object has no attribute 'emit' From errol at tzora.co.il Wed Nov 2 17:20:31 2016 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:20:31 +0200 Subject: Backup Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amaury.pupo at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 17:31:29 2016 From: amaury.pupo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Amaury_Pupo_Meri=C3=B1o?=) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:31:29 -0300 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Errol, There are several ways to accomplish what you want to do, but it depends on which software you are using to make your backups. In my case I prefer to use rdiff-backup (to be called in a shell script). In my case, to backup all the contents in my home directory, ignoring configuration files, I do: rdiff-backup -v 5 --print-statistics --exclude '/home/my_user_name/.*' /home/my_user_name/ /destination_dir/ with the option --exclude '/home/my_user_name/.*' the backup excludes all files and directories with names starting with the "." character (by convention all config files and directories names start with a "."). Then, my advice, your backup software should have some "exclude" option, which should allow you to do something equivalent. Best regards, Amaury 2016-11-02 14:20 GMT-03:00 Errol Sapir : > Hi > I have a very basic question about backup. I want to backup my /home drive > which is on a separate partition. However I ONLY want to backup data and > not any setup files or attachments. The reason for all this is I want to > set up my /home partition from scratch without kubuntu using previous > definitions. So I need a way of backing up only data, ALL my data (and of > course restoring it). > Is there a way of doing this? > TIA > Errol > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Amaury Pupo Meriño ***************************** Mice LOVE Bioinformatics :-) ***************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Wed Nov 2 17:42:30 2016 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (bmarsh at bmarsh.com) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:42:30 -0400 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> > On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Errol Sapir wrote: > > Hi > I have a very basic question about backup. I want to backup my /home drive which is on a separate partition. However I ONLY want to backup data and not any setup files or attachments. The reason for all this is I want to set up my /home partition from scratch without kubuntu using previous definitions. So I need a way of backing up only data, ALL my data (and of course restoring it). > Is there a way of doing this? Define "data". Too broad a scope in my view. > TIA > Errol > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Wed Nov 2 18:17:03 2016 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan Dacey (grokit)) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:17:03 -0400 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1610603.4HZEL5PIOq@kirk> Open Dolphin, split the window, one side go to your $HOME folder, the other go to your backup folder. Make sure that you are not looking at the hidden files then select everything in your home folder, drag and drop it to the backup folder, choose copy. In your home folder press Alt-. (alt dot) to show the hidden files/folders. Copy all you want to over to the backup location such as .cups, .mozilla, .libreoffice, .minecraft, .openbazzar, .steam, .wine - whatever you do not want lost. The .bash* files are also usually useful to save. On Wednesday, November 02, 2016 7:20:31 PM Errol Sapir wrote: > Hi > I have a very basic question about backup. I want to backup my /home drive which is on a separate partition. However I ONLY want to backup data and not any setup files or attachments. The reason for all this is I want to set up my /home partition from scratch without kubuntu using previous definitions. So I need a way of backing up only data, ALL my data (and of course restoring it). > Is there a way of doing this? > TIA > Errol > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <0274e881-e502-ed2c-a20b-464a3bf24f97@netspace.net.au> References: <79d3eaa6-b590-b3fe-fca3-26079af4e660@netspace.net.au> <722de724-f0ea-1cae-946a-a61b9c053eff@netspace.net.au> <8b74858c-601c-b4f1-5a0b-65d89b3a1139@netspace.net.au> <0274e881-e502-ed2c-a20b-464a3bf24f97@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 24/10/16 08:10, Stephen Morris wrote: >> >> On 23/10/16 10:39, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>> >>> Reply inline. >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Stephen Morris >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 21/10/16 09:34, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Removing the -devel list since this is a support question. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Stephen Morris >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 14/10/16 15:29, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi folks, I'm sure most of you have heard by now, but just in case: >>>>>>> Kubuntu 16.10 has been released, along with all flavors of Ubuntu. ::snip old:: > Just one question relative to Gnome if you are able to answer it. Having > installed the gnome package I now have entries in the Display Manager menu > on the login screen of Gnome, Gnome Classic, Gnome Flashback (Compiz) and > Gnome Flashback (Metacity) all which seem to boot into Gnome now. Originally > Gnome Flashback (Compiz) crashed on first start. If I boot into any of the > last 4 Gnome entries, they all have menu entries of Applications and Places > in the title bar at the top of the screen, but if I boot with the Gnome > entry the title bar at the top of the screen has the entry Activities, why > is this (under Fedora 24 the Gnome system has Applications in the title bar > at the top of the screen)? No clue about Gnome. I've never used it for more than 5 minutes. > Having appearing to have Gnome working I have also installed the Plasma > package which appears to have installed a working version of Plasma (hence > I'm not sure why the upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 destroyed my system) and > that install has only placed one Plasma entry in the DM login screen > selections. I'll have to monitor what packages I subsequently install > introduces the additional entry. > One gripe I have with Plasma in 16.10 is that the icons on the bottom of the > KDE Launcher, and the icons on the options displayed when selecting Leave, > are all wireframe icons which I don't like. These icons are the main reason > I am looking at moving away from KDE under Fedora, as I could not find any > way of changing them by changing the system theme or icon theme. Is there no > way to get back the nice coloured icons that were there in 16.04? > > regards, > Steve That is Breeze. The Oxygen icon set is still available for those who want it. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From errol at tzora.co.il Thu Nov 3 03:42:08 2016 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 05:42:08 +0200 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> References: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlapham at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 05:17:25 2016 From: rjlapham at gmail.com (Jerry Lapham) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 01:17:25 -0400 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> References: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <5731419.Bgro7IShEh@jerry-hp2> On Thursday, November 03, 2016 05:42:08 AM Errol Sapir wrote: > Data is anything I have created or copied. Documents, photos, email and > address books, etc. Even uninstalled programs can be considered data (but > aren't essential for my backup). Basically, as I wrote, I am trying to > configure my /home from the beginning without the previous setup > definitions. From what I understand, Amaury's suggestion looks good (and > maybe there are others) and I will try it over the weekend. Thanks > Errol > > On 11/02/2016 07:42 PM, bmarsh at bmarsh.com wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Errol Sapir wrote: > > Hi > I have a very basic question about backup. I want to backup my /home drive > which is on a separate partition. However I ONLY want to backup data and > not any setup files or attachments. The reason for all this is I want to > set up my /home partition from scratch without kubuntu using previous > definitions. So I need a way of backing up only data, ALL my data (and of > course restoring it). Is there a way of doing this? > Define "data". Too broad a scope in my view. You could also try what I do. I have a separate very large /DATA partition which holds documents, downloads, pictures, music, etc. Home is included with the rest of the / partition. Currently I'm running Kubuntu 14.04 LTS. When the problem reports from 16.04 LTS appear to have died down and I get around to it, I'll clone my 14.04 partition and run the upgrade to 16.04 on the clone. If I have a problem with 16.04, I can just boot the original 14.04 partition. DATA is accessible from either one. -Jerry -- ============================================= Jerry Lapham Monroe, OH 45050 rjlapham at gmail.com ============================================= "The freight car is late," Tom demurred. From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Nov 3 08:23:59 2016 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 08:23:59 +0000 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> References: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <1478161439.3836.14.camel@thefletchers.net> On Thu, 2016-11-03 at 05:42 +0200, Errol Sapir wrote: > Data is anything I have created or copied. Documents, photos, email > In my home directory I have always (since windows 95) had a directory called Work in which I store all documents I have created such as letters I write, spreadsheets, forms that I've filled in and scanned so that I have a copy before posting them. My entire /home/ directory then gets compressed into a tar file periodically, put through gpg symmetrical encryption for security, then copied to multiple flash storage devices. These type of files of mine, plus similar files created by my son, come to about 4GB at the moment. When you need to restore these files it's easy to just unpack the tar file somewhere other than /home/ and move your Work directory back to where it needs to be. If you use Evolution as an email client/contacts store, you can periodically do a dump of everything into a dedicated backup file somewhere in your Work directory. This can easily be imported back into Evolution if you need to do a bare metal rebuild. I know this because I've done it more than once. My photos and music files and everything else that's a bit big are stored elsewhere, in a dedicated directory in /. At the moment I use rsync to copy these to my laptop hard drive plus a USB hard drive for backup. My media storage is not as large as some, though, and when 128GB SD cards come down in price some more I'll purchase one or two of these for additional, off site backups. Dave From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Nov 3 08:29:11 2016 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 08:29:11 +0000 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: <1478161439.3836.14.camel@thefletchers.net> References: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> <1478161439.3836.14.camel@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <1478161751.3836.19.camel@thefletchers.net> PS I never, ever use graphical tools to copy/move large numbers of files. They just don't seem to be reliable for this and even Linux desktop graphical tools fall over in my experience. OTOH terminal type tools such as rsync always work. From gkourtev at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 09:43:33 2016 From: gkourtev at gmail.com (Georgi Kourtev) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 11:43:33 +0200 Subject: VPN L2TP Message-ID: <2149721.uPy03Cf6vf@gkourtev-inspiron-5559> Good morning, I was trying unsuccesfuly to start a VPN L2TP connection using Network manager. After I try to make the connection the following message appears: "The VPN service 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.l2tp' was not installed." I googled a bit, but not really meaningful solution is available (at least not so easy one then compiling from scratch which is a bit too much for me). I would appreciate any help on that. Running Kubuntu 16.04.1 with all updates, KDE Plasma 5.6.5. Thanks, gk From errol at tzora.co.il Thu Nov 3 13:21:58 2016 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:21:58 +0200 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: <5731419.Bgro7IShEh@jerry-hp2> References: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> <5731419.Bgro7IShEh@jerry-hp2> Message-ID: <4fa26b4c-3611-d95f-75ca-1ce1745f6411@tzora.co.il> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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OTOH terminal type > > tools > > such as rsync always work. > > >  If one knows the various definitions to use in rsync I'm sure it is > the one of the better solutions. I am too new to rsync to risk it on > something that is so vital as all my data unless I can be hand- > held.:-[ > Errol Basically, all you need is rsync -av. It can work just within your local computer or across your network. For example, this is the command that it is embedded in a script that automatically grabs a copy of what is on my server:- rsync -av --delete --bwlimit=20000 root at server:/home/ /home/dave/backups/server/copyofslashhome/ but all you need for your purposes as a beginner is probably something like sudo rsync -av --delete /home/ /media/YourBackupDevice/ using sudo so that you can access home directories other than your own. I think that should work. To get the networked example to work I use a trick with something called ssh keys. As a beginner don't worry about that for now, just be aware that there is something you can use to get access to the content of other computers. If you're worried, set up a test directory to play with, and experiment with leaving out --delete and keeping it in, but rsync will not alter the source directory. Dave From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 3 15:44:04 2016 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 11:44:04 -0400 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: <1478184983.2255.15.camel@thefletchers.net> References: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> <1478161439.3836.14.camel@thefletchers.net> <1478161751.3836.19.camel@thefletchers.net> <89fffc6f-bb83-c2c7-1007-89d7df77c30c@tzora.co.il> <1478184983.2255.15.camel@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <3745551d-8fb0-c03c-6c88-8b212e27221a@cfl.rr.com> On 11/03/2016 10:56 AM, David Fletcher wrote: > On Thu, 2016-11-03 at 15:28 +0200, Errol Sapir wrote: >> >> >> On 11/03/2016 10:29 AM, David Fletcher wrote: >>> PS >>> >>> I never, ever use graphical tools to copy/move large numbers of >>> files. >>> They just don't seem to be reliable for this and even Linux desktop >>> graphical tools fall over in my experience. OTOH terminal type >>> tools >>> such as rsync always work. >>> >> If one knows the various definitions to use in rsync I'm sure it is >> the one of the better solutions. I am too new to rsync to risk it on >> something that is so vital as all my data unless I can be hand- >> held.:-[ >> Errol > > Basically, all you need is rsync -av. It can work just within your > local computer or across your network. For example, this is the command > that it is embedded in a script that automatically grabs a copy of what > is on my server:- > rsync -av --delete --bwlimit=20000 root at server:/home/ > /home/dave/backups/server/copyofslashhome/ > > but all you need for your purposes as a beginner is probably something > like > sudo rsync -av --delete /home/ /media/YourBackupDevice/ > > using sudo so that you can access home directories other than your own. > I think that should work. To get the networked example to work I use a > trick with something called ssh keys. As a beginner don't worry about > that for now, just be aware that there is something you can use to get > access to the content of other computers. > > If you're worried, set up a test directory to play with, and experiment > with leaving out --delete and keeping it in, but rsync will not alter > the source directory. > > Dave > I have a program called 'cheat' that allows me to get info on some common commands at the commandline. The following is a copy of what cheat has on rsync: # To copy files from remote to local, maintaining file properties and sym-links (-a), zipping for faster transfer (-z), verbose (-v). rsync -avz host:file1 :file1 /dest/ rsync -avz /source host:/dest # Copy files using checksum (-c) rather than time to detect if the file has changed. (Useful for validating backups). rsync -avc /source/ /dest/ # Copy contents of /src/foo to destination: # This command will create /dest/foo if it does not already exist rsync -auv /src/foo /dest # Explicitly copy /src/foo to /dest/foo rsync -auv /src/foo/ /dest/foo Tom Bell -- "Labor is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. " --Abraham Lincoln, part of 1861 address to congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Excluding the .* files and dirs sounds nice, but could still provide you some configuration spread by some nasty program. As other pointed out, you only know what "data" means to you. For instance web.xml is data or configuration? Of course, in order to ease backups, you need a clear separation between data and configuration, but until that you have to dig manually. Luca From feveal at hotmail.com Thu Nov 3 19:08:25 2016 From: feveal at hotmail.com (feveal -) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:08:25 +0000 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: <89fffc6f-bb83-c2c7-1007-89d7df77c30c@tzora.co.il> References: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> <1478161439.3836.14.camel@thefletchers.net> <1478161751.3836.19.camel@thefletchers.net>, <89fffc6f-bb83-c2c7-1007-89d7df77c30c@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: If you see Rsync complicated, I use GRsync is the same application but graphical environment. I've never had any problems. feveal [cid:7b1f49b1-3cee-4f8d-8fbe-fe8fe79743ff] ________________________________ De: kubuntu-users-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com en nombre de Errol Sapir Enviado: jueves, 3 de noviembre de 2016 14:28 Para: dave at thefletchers.net; Kubuntu user technical support Asunto: Re: Backup On 11/03/2016 10:29 AM, David Fletcher wrote: PS I never, ever use graphical tools to copy/move large numbers of files. They just don't seem to be reliable for this and even Linux desktop graphical tools fall over in my experience. OTOH terminal type tools such as rsync always work. If one knows the various definitions to use in rsync I'm sure it is the one of the better solutions. I am too new to rsync to risk it on something that is so vital as all my data unless I can be hand-held.:-[ Errol -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luca From dave at thefletchers.net Fri Nov 4 09:19:21 2016 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 09:19:21 +0000 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: <2232cdc8-e613-476c-b3a5-5f26072da1b0@tzora.co.il> References: <8F437E09-C036-48C5-8009-15DA028F26C6@bmarsh.com> <8176e12c-efbc-8ad3-e8fc-910c14e0b283@tzora.co.il> <1478161439.3836.14.camel@thefletchers.net> <1478161751.3836.19.camel@thefletchers.net> <89fffc6f-bb83-c2c7-1007-89d7df77c30c@tzora.co.il> <1478184983.2255.15.camel@thefletchers.net> <2232cdc8-e613-476c-b3a5-5f26072da1b0@tzora.co.il> Message-ID: <1478251161.2135.32.camel@thefletchers.net> On Fri, 2016-11-04 at 07:55 +0200, Errol Sapir wrote: > Hi Dave >  I've started reading about using rsync and it looks the way to go > but what does  --delete in the command line mean? > Errol rsync is indeed definitely the way to go. The --delete option deletes from the destination directory files which no longer exist in the source directory. If you want to protect yourself from accidentally losing files you might want to leave it out. As somebody else suggested you should have a read of the manual. For instance if I recall correctly there is a subtle difference in behaviour depending on whether you have trailing slashes on the end of the source and destination directories. I always create the destination directory first and include the trailing slashes. Something you should probably do is make a tar archive (similar to using WinZIP) of all the data files from time to time and copy them to other storage. You will find that learning Linux is a rich experience which provides the tools to make your life easier. For instance this command:- tar cvpPzf /root/home`date +%Y%m%d%H%M`.tar.gz --exclude- from=/home/BackupThisPCExcludes /home/* which needs to be used with sudo, creates an archive file automatically named with the date and time that the command was run. If this is of interest to you, you should also look at man date. BTW the backticks enable you to embed the output of e.g. the date command into another command such as the one I give you above. Play with the date command on its own, then play with the tar command incorporating the date and see what happens. --exclude-from refers to a file which is a list of things in /home/ which I don't need backed up. The BackupThisPCExcludes file contains entries such as:- .cache/* .googleearth/* .thumbnails/* which would needlessly make the archive file huge and are not needed because they will be automatically regenerated. You should probably take out the --exclude-from at first to make everything simpler. Some of the tricks I am giving you here such as the backticks were shown to me by a friend who at the time was a Red Hat Certified Engineer. Others I found out for myself by reading manuals. Above all, have fun and enjoy learning Linux. When you're happy with rsync and tar, get back to us and we'll get you going with scripts so that you can automate things that you do repeatedly. BTW do you know about using CTRL-R at the terminal, to reverse search for commands that you've previously used? That save you a whole load of typing. Dave From ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 17:33:33 2016 From: ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com (Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 19:33:33 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Vision - Part 2 Message-ID: I would like to invite you to the Doodle poll "Kubuntu Vision - Part 2." Please follow the link in order to participate in the poll: http://doodle.com/poll/34hctcaqu5hgbqcb From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 20:34:53 2016 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 20:34:53 +0000 Subject: [Kubuntu-council] Kubuntu Vision - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Filled it out thanks Ovidiu! On Fri, Nov 4, 2016, 1:33 PM Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN wrote: > I would like to invite you to the Doodle poll "Kubuntu Vision - Part 2." > > Please follow the link in order to participate in the poll: > http://doodle.com/poll/34hctcaqu5hgbqcb > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council > Post to : kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Aaron Honeycutt - Ubuntu Fl Loco South Lead - Kubuntu Council Member -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 00:02:49 2016 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:02:49 -0700 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Errol, On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Errol Sapir wrote: > Hi > I have a very basic question about backup. I want to backup my /home drive > which is on a separate partition. However I ONLY want to backup data and not > any setup files or attachments. The reason for all this is I want to set up > my /home partition from scratch without kubuntu using previous definitions. > So I need a way of backing up only data, ALL my data (and of course > restoring it). > Is there a way of doing this? > TIA > Errol I've read the thread so far, with lots of good suggestions. Just a reminded that the old ~/.kde file has lots of data (sometimes) that you may not want to miss. For instance, Konversation used to store logs in there, and Amarok stored its database, playlists, podcast files, etc. So if you want to keep that stuff, dig into your ~/home/yourname/.kde file. These days, in Plasma 5 times, the config files go into ~/.config and ~/.local, and Konvi logs go into ~/.logs . Many of us are still running a few KDE4 applications though, such as Amarok. Good on you for doing your backups! Valorie From errol at tzora.co.il Sun Nov 6 04:08:25 2016 From: errol at tzora.co.il (Errol Sapir) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 06:08:25 +0200 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Sun Nov 6 05:48:35 2016 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 00:48:35 -0500 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <581EC433.50008@optonline.net> On 11/05/2016 11:08 PM, Errol Sapir wrote: > I want to thank all who gave advice on backing up using the terminal > commands. My main use of terminal has been for the very basic stuff > such as "sudo apt-get install" etc. I have been a Linux (mainly > Kubuntu) user for many years. I have used GUI programs to backup and > for most of my operations. I work in a Microsoft environment so that > was the natural way for me. > Because I wanted to separate my data from my home all the advice given > here was to use the command line method. I am grateful for the help > and advice and am now enjoying the learning and the use of rsync. A > new world of dealing with Linux is opening up and it isn't as > difficult as I thought although I'm not sure I'll remember all the > commands without a manual:-) > Thanks again to all. > Errol > May I recommend to you, "Linux in a Nutshell" from O'Reilly. I have the 6th edition, which may be the latest, and it's my Bible. Last I heard it was selling at half price, i.e., around $25. From Amazon, of course. Not all commands, but certainly most, and with explanations and some examples. Well worth the price. And I have no financial interest in the book or Amazon. Just buy it. You'll thank me! --doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samorris at netspace.net.au Sun Nov 6 21:05:46 2016 From: samorris at netspace.net.au (Stephen Morris) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 08:05:46 +1100 Subject: Kubuntu 16.10 is out! In-Reply-To: References: <79d3eaa6-b590-b3fe-fca3-26079af4e660@netspace.net.au> <722de724-f0ea-1cae-946a-a61b9c053eff@netspace.net.au> <8b74858c-601c-b4f1-5a0b-65d89b3a1139@netspace.net.au> <0274e881-e502-ed2c-a20b-464a3bf24f97@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: On 03/11/16 12:04, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Stephen Morris > wrote: >> On 24/10/16 08:10, Stephen Morris wrote: >>> On 23/10/16 10:39, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>> Reply inline. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Stephen Morris >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 21/10/16 09:34, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>>> Removing the -devel list since this is a support question. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Stephen Morris >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On 14/10/16 15:29, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi folks, I'm sure most of you have heard by now, but just in case: >>>>>>>> Kubuntu 16.10 has been released, along with all flavors of Ubuntu. > ::snip old:: > >> Just one question relative to Gnome if you are able to answer it. Having >> installed the gnome package I now have entries in the Display Manager menu >> on the login screen of Gnome, Gnome Classic, Gnome Flashback (Compiz) and >> Gnome Flashback (Metacity) all which seem to boot into Gnome now. Originally >> Gnome Flashback (Compiz) crashed on first start. If I boot into any of the >> last 4 Gnome entries, they all have menu entries of Applications and Places >> in the title bar at the top of the screen, but if I boot with the Gnome >> entry the title bar at the top of the screen has the entry Activities, why >> is this (under Fedora 24 the Gnome system has Applications in the title bar >> at the top of the screen)? > No clue about Gnome. I've never used it for more than 5 minutes. > >> Having appearing to have Gnome working I have also installed the Plasma >> package which appears to have installed a working version of Plasma (hence >> I'm not sure why the upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 destroyed my system) and >> that install has only placed one Plasma entry in the DM login screen >> selections. I'll have to monitor what packages I subsequently install >> introduces the additional entry. >> One gripe I have with Plasma in 16.10 is that the icons on the bottom of the >> KDE Launcher, and the icons on the options displayed when selecting Leave, >> are all wireframe icons which I don't like. These icons are the main reason >> I am looking at moving away from KDE under Fedora, as I could not find any >> way of changing them by changing the system theme or icon theme. Is there no >> way to get back the nice coloured icons that were there in 16.04? >> >> regards, >> Steve > That is Breeze. The Oxygen icon set is still available for those who want it. I've applied the Oxygen icon theme which changes the icon theme when selecting 'Leave' to the coloured icons, but it does not change the row of icons at the bottom of the launcher (the row that contains 'Leave', 'Application' etc), is it not possible to change these? I have also found that Fedora is exactly the same with the oxygen theme. regards, Steve > > Valorie > From samorris at netspace.net.au Sun Nov 6 21:10:03 2016 From: samorris at netspace.net.au (Stephen Morris) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 08:10:03 +1100 Subject: Ubuntu 16.10 Doesn't Reboot Message-ID: <959e38f1-9a37-34bb-6406-5f106e7122a3@netspace.net.au> Hi, I have an issue with Ubuntu 16.10 when I select reboot from the KDE launcher or from the Gnome title bar, in that the Ubuntu boot graphic flashes on the screen briefly and switches my monitor into power saving mode but never reboots, I have to press the reset button on my desktop pc to do the reboot. Has anybody seen this behaviour before and have an idea what is required to rectify this? regards, Steve From list at xenhideout.nl Sun Nov 6 21:15:05 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 22:15:05 +0100 Subject: Kubuntu 16.10 is out! In-Reply-To: References: <79d3eaa6-b590-b3fe-fca3-26079af4e660@netspace.net.au> <722de724-f0ea-1cae-946a-a61b9c053eff@netspace.net.au> <8b74858c-601c-b4f1-5a0b-65d89b3a1139@netspace.net.au> <0274e881-e502-ed2c-a20b-464a3bf24f97@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: Stephen Morris schreef op 06-11-2016 22:05: > I've applied the Oxygen icon theme which changes the icon theme when > selecting 'Leave' to the coloured icons, but it does not change the > row of icons at the bottom of the launcher (the row that contains > 'Leave', 'Application' etc), is it not possible to change these? I > have also found that Fedora is exactly the same with the oxygen theme. Apparently there is only a limited set of themes that will apply the Oxygen icon set but this has been so since 15.04. However perhaps it is possible to go into the theme settings itself and explicitly select the Oxygen icons for the various things, I don't know. It might be that they just don't get selected. But this has been an issue since July of 2015, yeah. From list at xenhideout.nl Sun Nov 6 21:17:41 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 22:17:41 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 16.10 Doesn't Reboot In-Reply-To: <959e38f1-9a37-34bb-6406-5f106e7122a3@netspace.net.au> References: <959e38f1-9a37-34bb-6406-5f106e7122a3@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: <90a267120e214a8d3e9d87bdaed66764@xenhideout.nl> Stephen Morris schreef op 06-11-2016 22:10: > Hi, > > I have an issue with Ubuntu 16.10 when I select reboot from the > KDE launcher or from the Gnome title bar, in that the Ubuntu boot > graphic flashes on the screen briefly and switches my monitor into > power saving mode but never reboots, I have to press the reset button > on my desktop pc to do the reboot. Has anybody seen this behaviour > before and have an idea what is required to rectify this? I can only suggest you try executing "sudo pm-reboot" to see if it happens then as well. Oh wait, it's just "reboot" ;-). sudo reboot. From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Sun Nov 6 22:45:28 2016 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 16:45:28 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu 16.10 Doesn't Reboot In-Reply-To: <90a267120e214a8d3e9d87bdaed66764@xenhideout.nl> References: <959e38f1-9a37-34bb-6406-5f106e7122a3@netspace.net.au> <90a267120e214a8d3e9d87bdaed66764@xenhideout.nl> Message-ID: <581FB288.5000901@optonline.net> On 11/06/2016 03:17 PM, Xen wrote: > Stephen Morris schreef op 06-11-2016 22:10: >> Hi, >> >> I have an issue with Ubuntu 16.10 when I select reboot from the >> KDE launcher or from the Gnome title bar, in that the Ubuntu boot >> graphic flashes on the screen briefly and switches my monitor into >> power saving mode but never reboots, I have to press the reset button >> on my desktop pc to do the reboot. Has anybody seen this behaviour >> before and have an idea what is required to rectify this? > > I can only suggest you try executing "sudo pm-reboot" to see if it > happens then as well. Oh wait, it's just "reboot" ;-). > > sudo reboot. > I assume that Ub 16.10 should react to the standard Linux command-line (as root, or with sudo) "shutdown -r now" without the quotes, of course. --doug From list at xenhideout.nl Sun Nov 6 22:12:32 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 23:12:32 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 16.10 Doesn't Reboot In-Reply-To: <581FB288.5000901@optonline.net> References: <959e38f1-9a37-34bb-6406-5f106e7122a3@netspace.net.au> <90a267120e214a8d3e9d87bdaed66764@xenhideout.nl> <581FB288.5000901@optonline.net> Message-ID: <07b2a900fa67a8c4c7e62c451f0265e3@xenhideout.nl> Doug schreef op 06-11-2016 23:45: >> I can only suggest you try executing "sudo pm-reboot" to see if it >> happens then as well. Oh wait, it's just "reboot" ;-). >> >> sudo reboot. >> > I assume that Ub 16.10 should react to the standard Linux command-line > (as root, or with sudo) "shutdown -r now" without the quotes, of > course. Great for suggesting the more difficult command. Here is another one: systemctl reboot But it is equally unnecessary in this sense. From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 23:24:48 2016 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 15:24:48 -0800 Subject: Backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Inline..... On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Errol Sapir wrote: > I want to thank all who gave advice on backing up using the terminal > commands. My main use of terminal has been for the very basic stuff such as > "sudo apt-get install" etc. I have been a Linux (mainly Kubuntu) user for > many years. I have used GUI programs to backup and for most of my > operations. I work in a Microsoft environment so that was the natural way > for me. > Because I wanted to separate my data from my home all the advice given here > was to use the command line method. I am grateful for the help and advice > and am now enjoying the learning and the use of rsync. A new world of > dealing with Linux is opening up and it isn't as difficult as I thought > although I'm not sure I'll remember all the commands without a manual:-) > Thanks again to all. > Errol By the way, I just thought I would mention that there is almost always a manual built in for commandline applications. To call it up, you do `man rsync` for instance. Sometimes there is also a help file, which you can see by `rsync --help`. > On 11/06/2016 02:02 AM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > Hi Errol, > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Errol Sapir wrote: > > Hi > I have a very basic question about backup. I want to backup my /home drive > which is on a separate partition. However I ONLY want to backup data and not > any setup files or attachments. The reason for all this is I want to set up > my /home partition from scratch without kubuntu using previous definitions. > So I need a way of backing up only data, ALL my data (and of course > restoring it). > Is there a way of doing this? > TIA > Errol > > I've read the thread so far, with lots of good suggestions. Just a > reminded that the old ~/.kde file has lots of data (sometimes) that > you may not want to miss. For instance, Konversation used to store > logs in there, and Amarok stored its database, playlists, podcast > files, etc. So if you want to keep that stuff, dig into your > ~/home/yourname/.kde file. > > These days, in Plasma 5 times, the config files go into ~/.config and > ~/.local, and Konvi logs go into ~/.logs . Many of us are still > running a few KDE4 applications though, such as Amarok. > > Good on you for doing your backups! > > Valorie From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 08:16:16 2016 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (A. Mani) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:46:16 +0530 Subject: Ubuntu 16.10 Doesn't Reboot In-Reply-To: <959e38f1-9a37-34bb-6406-5f106e7122a3@netspace.net.au> References: <959e38f1-9a37-34bb-6406-5f106e7122a3@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:40 AM, Stephen Morris wrote: > I have an issue with Ubuntu 16.10 when I select reboot from the KDE > launcher or from the Gnome title bar, in that the Ubuntu boot graphic > flashes on the screen briefly and switches my monitor into power saving mode > but never reboots, I have to press the reset button on my desktop pc to do > the reboot. Has anybody seen this behaviour before and have an idea what is > required to rectify this? Yes, this happens in the 16.04 LTS (lowlatency, lowlatency-upstart, generic kernels) possibly due to upgrading from earlier versions. It is harder to diagnose shutdown use any of the std commands Best A. Mani Prof(Miss) A. Mani CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/ http://about.me/logicamani sip:girlprofessor at ekiga.net From bilwalsh at swbell.net Mon Nov 7 14:11:04 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 08:11:04 -0600 Subject: Finger print reader Message-ID: <58a350f4-4ee5-4e85-53e6-4ade05248e14@swbell.net> I decided enough time had passed to upgrade my laptop to 16.04. My laptop has a finger print reader. In the past it has never asked for a fingerprint to boot but now it does. I enter the password but it demands a finger print. It says either the password or finger print. Any ideas how to bypass this step when booting? -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From samorris at netspace.net.au Mon Nov 7 21:12:41 2016 From: samorris at netspace.net.au (Stephen Morris) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 08:12:41 +1100 Subject: Kubuntu 16.10 is out! In-Reply-To: References: <79d3eaa6-b590-b3fe-fca3-26079af4e660@netspace.net.au> <722de724-f0ea-1cae-946a-a61b9c053eff@netspace.net.au> <8b74858c-601c-b4f1-5a0b-65d89b3a1139@netspace.net.au> <0274e881-e502-ed2c-a20b-464a3bf24f97@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: <67fc5b05-126b-05ea-0b92-9abb26b94b6e@netspace.net.au> On 07/11/16 08:15, Xen wrote: > Stephen Morris schreef op 06-11-2016 22:05: > >> I've applied the Oxygen icon theme which changes the icon theme when >> selecting 'Leave' to the coloured icons, but it does not change the >> row of icons at the bottom of the launcher (the row that contains >> 'Leave', 'Application' etc), is it not possible to change these? I >> have also found that Fedora is exactly the same with the oxygen theme. > > Apparently there is only a limited set of themes that will apply the > Oxygen icon set but this has been so since 15.04. However perhaps it > is possible to go into the theme settings itself and explicitly select > the Oxygen icons for the various things, I don't know. It might be > that they just don't get selected. But this has been an issue since > July of 2015, yeah. > Under 16.04 LTS, which was an upgraded to from the previous version of Ubuntu (I don't remember which version it was exactly) etc, the reboot options displayed when pressing 'Leave' on the launcher botton row had the same coloured icons that are being displayed now following Valeria's suggestion to use the Oxygen icon set, but that icon set has not changed the row of icons on the bottom of the launcher in 16.10 to the same set of coloured icons that were displayed under 16.04. I am using the Breeze application theme with the Oxygen icon set. As I mentioned before I am seeing the same symptoms under Fedora 24, and switching to the Oxygen application theme with the Oxygen icons set does not rectify the situation, I will try this combination under Ubuntu next time I'm on there but I am assuming the outcome will be the same. Does this mean that upstream has changed things in the version of Plasma that is being used in 16.10 (and presumably Fedora) so that the changes I'm looking for to use are no longer possible? I couldn't upgrade from 16.04 which had the changes I'm looking for to 16.10, as the upgrade destroyed my Ubuntu system, so I had to reinstall 16.04 from scratch, which only installed unity, upgrade to 16.10, and progressively add Gnome and Plasma onto that to get a working system back again. regards, Steve From cbell44 at cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 7 23:44:19 2016 From: cbell44 at cfl.rr.com (Charles T. Bell) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 18:44:19 -0500 Subject: Finger print reader In-Reply-To: <58a350f4-4ee5-4e85-53e6-4ade05248e14@swbell.net> References: <58a350f4-4ee5-4e85-53e6-4ade05248e14@swbell.net> Message-ID: <97f700bc-1e69-6608-69cf-ef4d2579ac4f@cfl.rr.com> On 11/07/2016 09:11 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: > I decided enough time had passed to upgrade my laptop to 16.04. > > My laptop has a finger print reader. In the past it has never asked for > a fingerprint to boot but now it does. I enter the password but it > demands a finger print. It says either the password or finger print. > > Any ideas how to bypass this step when booting? > > > If you can get into the BIOS, there should be a setting there to turn off the finger print reader. Tom -- "Labor is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. 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It says either the password or finger print. >> >> Any ideas how to bypass this step when booting? >> >> >> > If you can get into the BIOS, there should be a setting there to turn > off the finger print reader. > > Tom Nothing in the bios. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 08:09:52 2016 From: ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com (Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 10:09:52 +0200 Subject: Kubuntu Vision Meeting - Part 2 Message-ID: Hello, Since I got not more votes in, for the past few days, I'm closing the poll ( http://doodle.com/poll/34hctcaqu5hgbqcb). As you can see, the only date where all voters can join is Today 2016.11.08 at 21:00 UTC. Timezone is enabled in the poll, in case I messed up the timezone conversion. I've created a poll for you to vote on what platform do you prefer to have the meeting on: http://doodle.com/poll/3y8n762fhciyndmf. You may choose all the variants you are OK with. Personally, I think Mumble is the best choice, perhaps combined with IRC. Yes, we can record Mumble meetings, we've had them in the past. So I guess I'll see you tonight. *Ovidiu - Florin BOGDAN* GeekAliens.com Kubuntu România -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 08:13:02 2016 From: ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com (Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 08:13:02 +0000 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Invita=C8=9Bie=3A_Kubuntu_Vision_=2D_Part_2_=2D_mar=2E_8_nov=2E_23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3A00_=2D_mie=2E_9_nov=2E_2016_00=3A00_=28EET=29_=28kubuntu=2Dusers=40lists=2Eubun?= =?UTF-8?Q?tu=2Ecom=29?= Message-ID: <001a114b29f6951a960540c5b54d@google.com> Ați fost invitat(ă) la următorul eveniment. Titlu: Kubuntu Vision - Part 2 Initiated by Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN Participants: - Rik Mills - Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN - Aaron Honeycutt - Simon Quigley - Valorie Zimmerman - Rick Timmis http://doodle.com/poll/34hctcaqu5hgbqcb Când: mar. 8 nov. 23:00 – mie. 9 nov. 2016 00:00 București Calendar: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Cine: * Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN- creator * kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com * kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com * kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net * kubuntu-ro at lists.ubuntu.com Detaliile evenimentului: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=XzY0cTNlZTFtNmNzM2djMWc2MG8zMGI5ajcwcGo4YzloNzBwajZnMzRkdG5tOHIzNTVwaDZpdWcga3VidW50dS11c2Vyc0BsaXN0cy51YnVudHUuY29t&tok=NTIjc2FncGNycnF0NnJiamZmMWJuY2FtMzZpbjRAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbTVhZDczYzQzODZiZWUwZmJlOTYyOTE2MGFkOWY5M2YyNTkyNTNhM2M&ctz=Europe/Bucharest&hl=ro Invitație de la Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ Ați primit acest mesaj de e-mail la adresa kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com deoarece sunteți pe lista participaților la acest eveniment. 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You may choose all > the variants you are OK with. > > Personally, I think Mumble is the best choice, perhaps combined with IRC. > Yes, we can record Mumble meetings, we've had them in the past. > > So I guess I'll see you tonight. > > Ovidiu - Florin BOGDAN > GeekAliens.com > Kubuntu România Thanks Ovidiu. Mumble installed; I'll be there. Be sure to announce the server, etc. Valorie From robert.leleu at ovh.fr Tue Nov 8 08:37:36 2016 From: robert.leleu at ovh.fr (leleu) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 09:37:36 +0100 Subject: Finger print reader In-Reply-To: References: <58a350f4-4ee5-4e85-53e6-4ade05248e14@swbell.net> <97f700bc-1e69-6608-69cf-ef4d2579ac4f@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <7432ee2b-392f-fa07-6990-d74b3bdb6fc3@ovh.fr> Je la 08/11/2016 07:39, Billie Walsh skribis : > On 11/07/2016 05:44 PM, Charles T. Bell wrote: >> >> On 11/07/2016 09:11 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>> I decided enough time had passed to upgrade my laptop to 16.04. >>> >>> My laptop has a finger print reader. In the past it has never asked for >>> a fingerprint to boot but now it does. I enter the password but it >>> demands a finger print. It says either the password or finger print. >>> >>> Any ideas how to bypass this step when booting? >>> >>> >>> >> If you can get into the BIOS, there should be a setting there to turn >> off the finger print reader. >> >> Tom > > Nothing in the bios. Did you ask Google with the reference of your laptop, and "finger print" ? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 20:07:21 2016 From: ovidiu.b13 at gmail.com (Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 22:07:21 +0200 Subject: [Kubuntu-council] Kubuntu Vision Meeting - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everybody, We've just finished testing the Mumble server for the meeting. Currently Mumble has the most votes on http://doodle.com/poll/3y8n762fhciyndmf The Mumble server is on *23.92.28.147* port *64738*. The meeting will start in an hour. Agenda link: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Vision Notes Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10M-hYkzHBLnPihbgk6J-u9QcYVW2y8U-jhnjo3rhq_Y Anyone can join: Developers and users. *Ovidiu - Florin BOGDAN* GeekAliens.com Kubuntu România 2016-11-08 10:22 GMT+02:00 Valorie Zimmerman : > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Since I got not more votes in, for the past few days, I'm closing the > poll > > (http://doodle.com/poll/34hctcaqu5hgbqcb). > > > > As you can see, the only date where all voters can join is Today > 2016.11.08 > > at 21:00 UTC. Timezone is enabled in the poll, in case I messed up the > > timezone conversion. > > > > I've created a poll for you to vote on what platform do you prefer to > have > > the meeting on: http://doodle.com/poll/3y8n762fhciyndmf. You may choose > all > > the variants you are OK with. > > > > Personally, I think Mumble is the best choice, perhaps combined with IRC. > > Yes, we can record Mumble meetings, we've had them in the past. > > > > So I guess I'll see you tonight. > > > > Ovidiu - Florin BOGDAN > > GeekAliens.com > > Kubuntu România > > Thanks Ovidiu. Mumble installed; I'll be there. Be sure to announce > the server, etc. > > Valorie > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From list at xenhideout.nl Fri Nov 11 17:06:02 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:06:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: Plasma started crashing Message-ID: So I an an update today but now that I think of it I also exchanged a graphics card (same driver, no driver exchange). I don't know which is which at this point but plasmashell crashes about 10 times per hour. I assume it is going to be the graphics card. Makes KDE nigh unusable though. One problem gone (the tearing with the other card) a new one arises (I have had another card in there, so of the say 3 cards in my possession from nVidia, 2 don't work. And this is just a very new card, nVidia GTX 950). It doesn't get much better does it... From kassube at gmx.net Fri Nov 11 18:11:15 2016 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:11:15 +0100 Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> Xen wrote: > So I an an update today but now that I think of it I also exchanged a > graphics card (same driver, no driver exchange). > > I don't know which is which at this point but plasmashell crashes > about 10 times per hour. > > I assume it is going to be the graphics card. Makes KDE nigh unusable > though. One problem gone (the tearing with the other card) a new one > arises (I have had another card in there, so of the say 3 cards in my > possession from nVidia, 2 don't work. And this is just a very new > card, nVidia GTX 950). Which Kubuntu version are you talking about? Maybe it matters… Which nvidia driver do you use? I don't think that all drivers work the same with every nvidia card. As a start you could disable desktop effects (Alt+Shift+F12) and check if it makes a difference. Nils From list at xenhideout.nl Fri Nov 11 19:20:53 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:20:53 +0100 Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> References: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> Message-ID: Nils Kassube schreef op 11-11-2016 19:11: > Xen wrote: >> So I an an update today but now that I think of it I also exchanged a >> graphics card (same driver, no driver exchange). >> >> I don't know which is which at this point but plasmashell crashes >> about 10 times per hour. >> >> I assume it is going to be the graphics card. Makes KDE nigh unusable >> though. One problem gone (the tearing with the other card) a new one >> arises (I have had another card in there, so of the say 3 cards in my >> possession from nVidia, 2 don't work. And this is just a very new >> card, nVidia GTX 950). > > Which Kubuntu version are you talking about? Maybe it matters… 16.04 > Which nvidia driver do you use? I don't think that all drivers work the > same with every nvidia card. Nouveau > As a start you could disable desktop effects (Alt+Shift+F12) and check > if it makes a difference. Yeah but I have no time to troubleshoot now. It's funny... it hadn't crashed for a while but it always crashes if I click on (Konsole's) window-tile on the panel. Maybe other tiles too. So I just clicked it because I thought it had magically gone away, and instant crash xD. I was going to file a bug report but I needed to download 300 meg of debug information for that, so Haven't done it yet. It always says my bug reports are worthless unless I do extra work :(. Thanks for reminding me. My router had summersaulted and wanted a hard reset before it would work again. So I forgot... cause Ubuntu was unreachable :p. At least I can file the bug report now. But I still don't know if it is my GPU or not. What happened was.... I had put SystemD on hold, but SystemD depends on a specific version of libsystemd. However upon installing Wine for something it wanted that newer version. It also upgraded a whole bunch of other packages. I think after that the crashing started, but I'm not sure. Also reminded me I need to redo my SystemD messups again :). Otherwise I would probably have an unbootable system... :-/. Regards. From kassube at gmx.net Fri Nov 11 20:47:33 2016 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 21:47:33 +0100 Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: References: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> Message-ID: <3637829.yJ3CKdHGWN@p5915> Xen wrote: > Nils Kassube schreef op 11-11-2016 19:11: > > Xen wrote: > >> So I an an update today but now that I think of it I also exchanged > >> a > >> graphics card (same driver, no driver exchange). > >> > >> I don't know which is which at this point but plasmashell crashes > >> about 10 times per hour. > >> > >> I assume it is going to be the graphics card. Makes KDE nigh > >> unusable > >> though. One problem gone (the tearing with the other card) a new > >> one > >> arises (I have had another card in there, so of the say 3 cards in > >> my > >> possession from nVidia, 2 don't work. And this is just a very new > >> card, nVidia GTX 950). > > > > Which Kubuntu version are you talking about? Maybe it matters… > > 16.04 > > > Which nvidia driver do you use? I don't think that all drivers work > > the same with every nvidia card. > > Nouveau Then you could try the driver from nvidia. The driver manager in system settings should find out which is the right driver for your card. > > As a start you could disable desktop effects (Alt+Shift+F12) and > > check if it makes a difference. > > Yeah but I have no time to troubleshoot now. Well, if you don't want to troubleshoot, you will have to live with the crashes - and then I'd like to ask what was the purpose of your mail? Anyway, just pressing one shortcut shouldn't take that long and afterwards the crashes might stop. Nils From list at xenhideout.nl Fri Nov 11 21:05:52 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 22:05:52 +0100 Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: <3637829.yJ3CKdHGWN@p5915> References: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> <3637829.yJ3CKdHGWN@p5915> Message-ID: Nils Kassube schreef op 11-11-2016 21:47: > Then you could try the driver from nvidia. The driver manager in system > settings should find out which is the right driver for your card. Can't. I'd not longer have good resolution in the framebuffer driver. I mean the ctrl-alt-F1 screens, the TTYs. They have very poor resolution with nVidia. > Well, if you don't want to troubleshoot, you will have to live with the > crashes - and then I'd like to ask what was the purpose of your mail? > Anyway, just pressing one shortcut shouldn't take that long and > afterwards the crashes might stop. I spent time filing a bug report at which point the bug report program first wanted me to install unidentified debug symbol files which took a long time. Then it showed me duplicates but wouldn't allow me to attach the duplicates to the bug. I think I have spent enough time on this already for today. The bug is apparently known and they don't want to solve it because "it is part of another codepath that is not our own" and so they just let the bug sit in whatever it is because it is apparently the responsibility of someone else even though only this component experiences it. The purpose of my mail was to share. Maybe others have it too. Maybe it is widely recognised and people say "oh yeah, me too". Maybe there is a fix but maybe people know there isn't a fix. A report on something is not a volunteering to do a lot of work, it is just a report on something, no strings attached. If I attempt your shortcut, and it doesn't work, then what? I have to report back, and then you come up with another thing to try? There is no end to it if you start it. If you don't want to do it, you must stop at the beginning. Because it is never "just one keypress". And yes, when I try it, of course it doesn't work.... I mean I can't be certain of that but neither are you, and so this is just one of an infinite number of trouble shooting steps. I was asking for information, not troubleshooting. I KNOW there is no easy solution. So I am trying to raise an awareness, and I hope others have an awareness I don't have, so I better know where I am at. No time wasting, just sharing information (please). > > > Nils From accessys at smart.net Sat Nov 12 17:50:56 2016 From: accessys at smart.net (accessys at smart.net) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:50:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: References: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> Message-ID: have you checked the nvidia site for updated drivers for your card??? Bob On Fri, 11 Nov 2016, Xen wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:20:53 +0100 > From: Xen > Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Plasma started crashing > > Nils Kassube schreef op 11-11-2016 19:11: >> Xen wrote: >>> So I an an update today but now that I think of it I also exchanged a >>> graphics card (same driver, no driver exchange). >>> >>> I don't know which is which at this point but plasmashell crashes >>> about 10 times per hour. >>> >>> I assume it is going to be the graphics card. Makes KDE nigh unusable >>> though. One problem gone (the tearing with the other card) a new one >>> arises (I have had another card in there, so of the say 3 cards in my >>> possession from nVidia, 2 don't work. And this is just a very new >>> card, nVidia GTX 950). >> >> Which Kubuntu version are you talking about? Maybe it matters… > > 16.04 > >> Which nvidia driver do you use? I don't think that all drivers work the >> same with every nvidia card. > > Nouveau > >> As a start you could disable desktop effects (Alt+Shift+F12) and check >> if it makes a difference. > > Yeah but I have no time to troubleshoot now. > > It's funny... it hadn't crashed for a while but it always crashes if I click > on (Konsole's) window-tile on the panel. > > Maybe other tiles too. So I just clicked it because I thought it had > magically gone away, and instant crash xD. > > I was going to file a bug report but I needed to download 300 meg of debug > information for that, so Haven't done it yet. > > It always says my bug reports are worthless unless I do extra work :(. Thanks > for reminding me. My router had summersaulted and wanted a hard reset before > it would work again. So I forgot... > > cause Ubuntu was unreachable :p. > > At least I can file the bug report now. But I still don't know if it is my > GPU or not. What happened was.... > > I had put SystemD on hold, but SystemD depends on a specific version of > libsystemd. However upon installing Wine for something it wanted that newer > version. It also upgraded a whole bunch of other packages. I think after that > the crashing started, but I'm not sure. > > Also reminded me I need to redo my SystemD messups again :). Otherwise I > would probably have an unbootable system... :-/. > > Regards. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From list at xenhideout.nl Sat Nov 12 18:05:30 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:05:30 +0100 Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: References: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> Message-ID: <754180d883bbb8dff759167b78119df2@dds.nl> accessys at smart.net schreef op 12-11-2016 18:50: > have you checked the nvidia site for updated drivers for your card??? No I haven't and the tracelog indicates or seemed to indicate when I quickly peroused it to be purely a thumbnail issue. I have disabled the thumbnails after much ado (they are called tooltips) although I must say I do miss them and I don't like it this way. But a similar thing seems to happen in the KDE menu and it also causes the same kind of crash I think, it is just less now than before. Not completely satisfactory at all because I find myself hovering over the tiles to see the thumbnail so it was in fact useful to me. But there is a bug in there that causes the crash -- I think -- and I submitted a bug about it. Here are some of the latest traces in the thread that crashed it. #6 _wordcopy_fwd_aligned (dstp=4512495800, srcp=55143296, len=20298888) at wordcopy.c:101 #7 0x00007fa9443e058f in __memmove_sse2 (dest=0x10cf738c0, src=, len=162391104) at ../string/memmove.c:75 #8 0x00007fa9275e74ad in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so #9 0x00007fa9275e5d95 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so #10 0x00007fa92d573c1f in Plasma::WindowThumbnail::bindGLXTexture (this=this at entry=0x35cac20) at /build/plasma-framework-ZIMEEb/plasma-framework-5.18.0/src/declarativeimports/core/windowthumbnail.cpp:447 #11 0x00007fa92d574e44 in Plasma::WindowThumbnail::windowToTextureGLX (this=this at entry=0x35cac20, textureNode=textureNode at entry=0x3e8c620) at /build/plasma-framework-ZIMEEb/plasma-framework-5.18.0/src/declarativeimports/core/windowthumbnail.cpp:282 #12 0x00007fa92d575803 in Plasma::WindowThumbnail::windowToTexture (this=0x35cac20, textureNode=0x3e8c620) at /build/plasma-framework-ZIMEEb/plasma-framework-5.18.0/src/declarativeimports/core/windowthumbnail.cpp:394 You can see the offending Plasma function is probably Plasma::WindowThumbnail::bindGLXTexture and this is probably purely a plasma framework problem but I can't tell. So now I don't have my thumbnails as they would crash it constantly and I guess I have to thank Nils for pointing me to it or at least suggesting what it might be, but I had to look at the trace to get a clue and I'm not really happy with turning it off, I might just as well replace the card you know (and do some real troubleshooting, for if the problem remains, then it is not the card but it is going to be the software upgrades I had). Regards. From list at xenhideout.nl Sat Nov 12 18:17:15 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:17:15 +0100 Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: <754180d883bbb8dff759167b78119df2@dds.nl> References: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> <754180d883bbb8dff759167b78119df2@dds.nl> Message-ID: <78b8c1d3fd4a2ada13370e36f6253171@xenhideout.nl> Xen schreef op 12-11-2016 19:05: > (...) I might just as > well replace the card you know (and do some real troubleshooting, for > if the problem remains, then it is not the card but it is going to be > the software upgrades I had). > > Regards. I'm just saying turning things off is a bad waste of resources as I might spend the same amount of time replacing a graphics card in my system completely alleviating the problem and learn something along the way ---- - probably. Still it is important other people know what goes wrong or where. From accessys at smart.net Sat Nov 12 18:31:39 2016 From: accessys at smart.net (accessys at smart.net) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 13:31:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: <754180d883bbb8dff759167b78119df2@dds.nl> References: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> <754180d883bbb8dff759167b78119df2@dds.nl> Message-ID: I had a similar (not Plasma) type of problem with my Nvidia card and after a lot of head banging I did a card upgrade and solved the problem. still not sure what it was since it did not indicate there was any problem in the first place YMMV Bob On Sat, 12 Nov 2016, Xen wrote: > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:05:30 +0100 > From: Xen > Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Plasma started crashing > > accessys at smart.net schreef op 12-11-2016 18:50: >> have you checked the nvidia site for updated drivers for your card??? > > No I haven't and the tracelog indicates or seemed to indicate when I quickly > peroused it to be purely a thumbnail issue. I have disabled the thumbnails > after much ado (they are called tooltips) although I must say I do miss them > and I don't like it this way. But a similar thing seems to happen in the KDE > menu and it also causes the same kind of crash I think, it is just less now > than before. > > Not completely satisfactory at all because I find myself hovering over the > tiles to see the thumbnail so it was in fact useful to me. But there is a bug > in there that causes the crash -- I think -- and I submitted a bug about it. > > Here are some of the latest traces in the thread that crashed it. > > #6 _wordcopy_fwd_aligned (dstp=4512495800, srcp=55143296, len=20298888) at > wordcopy.c:101 > #7 0x00007fa9443e058f in __memmove_sse2 (dest=0x10cf738c0, src= out>, len=162391104) at ../string/memmove.c:75 > #8 0x00007fa9275e74ad in ?? () from > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so > #9 0x00007fa9275e5d95 in ?? () from > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so > #10 0x00007fa92d573c1f in Plasma::WindowThumbnail::bindGLXTexture > (this=this at entry=0x35cac20) at > /build/plasma-framework-ZIMEEb/plasma-framework-5.18.0/src/declarativeimports/core/windowthumbnail.cpp:447 > #11 0x00007fa92d574e44 in Plasma::WindowThumbnail::windowToTextureGLX > (this=this at entry=0x35cac20, textureNode=textureNode at entry=0x3e8c620) at > /build/plasma-framework-ZIMEEb/plasma-framework-5.18.0/src/declarativeimports/core/windowthumbnail.cpp:282 > #12 0x00007fa92d575803 in Plasma::WindowThumbnail::windowToTexture > (this=0x35cac20, textureNode=0x3e8c620) at > /build/plasma-framework-ZIMEEb/plasma-framework-5.18.0/src/declarativeimports/core/windowthumbnail.cpp:394 > > You can see the offending Plasma function is probably > Plasma::WindowThumbnail::bindGLXTexture and this is probably purely a plasma > framework problem but I can't tell. > > So now I don't have my thumbnails as they would crash it constantly and I > guess I have to thank Nils for pointing me to it or at least suggesting what > it might be, but I had to look at the trace to get a clue and I'm not really > happy with turning it off, I might just as well replace the card you know > (and do some real troubleshooting, for if the problem remains, then it is not > the card but it is going to be the software upgrades I had). > > Regards. > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From theuteck at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 06:06:57 2016 From: theuteck at gmail.com (uteck) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:06:57 -0600 Subject: Plasma started crashing In-Reply-To: <78b8c1d3fd4a2ada13370e36f6253171@xenhideout.nl> References: <123244831.Vy0plp1o7e@p5915> <754180d883bbb8dff759167b78119df2@dds.nl> <78b8c1d3fd4a2ada13370e36f6253171@xenhideout.nl> Message-ID: <6efefb08-7ca7-ff42-838d-9674805e169a@gmail.com> Just wondering if you are able to change the compositor in the system settings, under Display and Monitor? That might be a problem if it is using one that the new card does not support. On 11/12/2016 12:17 PM, Xen wrote: > Xen schreef op 12-11-2016 19:05: > >> (...) I might just as >> well replace the card you know (and do some real troubleshooting, for >> if the problem remains, then it is not the card but it is going to be >> the software upgrades I had). >> >> Regards. > > I'm just saying turning things off is a bad waste of resources as I > might spend the same amount of time replacing a graphics card in my > system completely alleviating the problem and learn something along > the way ---- - probably. > > Still it is important other people know what goes wrong or where. > From list at xenhideout.nl Sun Nov 13 13:14:10 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:14:10 +0100 Subject: Remove NetworkManager Message-ID: <74fe4f660f3ca6ae4d42cb76f33255aa@xenhideout.nl> Hi, I just wanted to remove NetworkManager because it was interfering (once more) with manual setting of my connection in case I needed to change the DHCP server temporarily and I just... want to be able to use "ip addr" myself and it interferes with that. However after removing the service and the package I still get interference. I also uninstalled dnsmasq. There is still some dhclient process being started by something and I don't know what, leading to /usr/lib/NetworkManager/..... or something. Also dhclient for some reason doesn't set the default gateway. I am clueless. Maybe the default gateway is in fact removed. Each time I restart networking I have to manually start dhclient and set the default route and even more than that I have to kill the other dhclient process that interferes. I don't know what to do here. The only thing still in existance on my system named NetworkManager is this: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5NetworkManagerQt.so.5.18.0 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5NetworkManagerQt.so.6 There is no trace of anything NetworkManager in /etc. Nothing in /lib. Oh.... apologies ;-). The deamon was still running even though the package had been removed. And I thought I had already stopped it. Still don't know if the rest will work now :(... From dave at thefletchers.net Sun Nov 13 14:22:01 2016 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:22:01 +0000 Subject: Remove NetworkManager In-Reply-To: <74fe4f660f3ca6ae4d42cb76f33255aa@xenhideout.nl> References: <74fe4f660f3ca6ae4d42cb76f33255aa@xenhideout.nl> Message-ID: <1479046921.2288.8.camel@thefletchers.net> On Sun, 2016-11-13 at 14:14 +0100, Xen wrote: > Hi, > > I just wanted to remove NetworkManager because it was interfering > (once  > more) with manual setting of my connection in case I needed to > change  > the DHCP server temporarily and I just... > > want to be able to use "ip addr" myself and it interferes with that. Don't know if this helps but here is the networking section from my Ubuntu Server 14.04 setup notes:- Set up networking:- Edit /etc/network/interfaces to look like this:- # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8) # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface auto eth0 # iface eth0 inet dhcp # Changes to:- iface eth0 inet static   address         192.168.2.x   netmask         255.255.255.0   network         192.168.2.0   broadcast       192.168.2.255   gateway         192.168.2.1   dns-nameservers 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 192.168.2.1 8.8.8.8 This file was last edited on my server on 2015-04-30 and gives me no problems, but maybe other "features" get in the way on a desktop system. Dave From list at xenhideout.nl Sun Nov 13 14:42:12 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:42:12 +0100 Subject: Remove NetworkManager In-Reply-To: <1479046921.2288.8.camel@thefletchers.net> References: <74fe4f660f3ca6ae4d42cb76f33255aa@xenhideout.nl> <1479046921.2288.8.camel@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: <1b521a7e29f781b2f9dafd41b0690f18@xenhideout.nl> > Don't know if this helps but here is the networking section from my > Ubuntu Server 14.04 setup notes:- Aye, I did not realize the binary of NetworkManager was still running and it was probably causing those problems, as always. They created a system where you have to tell it when not to interfere, instead of a system that asks you when it can interfere. This "negative" approach creates all the problems... Anyway, thank you for your message, very kind. > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet dhcp > This file was last edited on my server on 2015-04-30 and gives me no > problems, but maybe other "features" get in the way on a desktop > system. > > Dave From bilwalsh at swbell.net Sun Nov 13 14:53:00 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:53:00 -0600 Subject: Finger print reader In-Reply-To: <7432ee2b-392f-fa07-6990-d74b3bdb6fc3@ovh.fr> References: <58a350f4-4ee5-4e85-53e6-4ade05248e14@swbell.net> <97f700bc-1e69-6608-69cf-ef4d2579ac4f@cfl.rr.com> <7432ee2b-392f-fa07-6990-d74b3bdb6fc3@ovh.fr> Message-ID: On 11/08/2016 02:37 AM, leleu wrote: > Je la 08/11/2016 07:39, Billie Walsh skribis : >> On 11/07/2016 05:44 PM, Charles T. Bell wrote: >>> >>> On 11/07/2016 09:11 AM, Billie Walsh wrote: >>>> I decided enough time had passed to upgrade my laptop to 16.04. >>>> >>>> My laptop has a finger print reader. In the past it has never asked >>>> for >>>> a fingerprint to boot but now it does. I enter the password but it >>>> demands a finger print. It says either the password or finger print. >>>> >>>> Any ideas how to bypass this step when booting? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> If you can get into the BIOS, there should be a setting there to turn >>> off the finger print reader. >>> >>> Tom >> >> Nothing in the bios. > Did you ask Google with the reference of your laptop, and "finger print" ? >> >> > > Sorry for the long delay. Finally had some time to go back to my problem. From what I have found this morning the only way to disable the fingerprint reader is from within the booted OS. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From list at xenhideout.nl Sun Nov 13 15:39:04 2016 From: list at xenhideout.nl (Xen) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:39:04 +0100 Subject: Remove NetworkManager In-Reply-To: <1479046921.2288.8.camel@thefletchers.net> References: <74fe4f660f3ca6ae4d42cb76f33255aa@xenhideout.nl> <1479046921.2288.8.camel@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: David Fletcher schreef op 13-11-2016 15:22: > Don't know if this helps but here is the networking section from my > Ubuntu Server 14.04 setup notes:- Well this is just smack awesome. /sbin/dhclient-script refuses to set a route if the DHCP server provides ANY static routes. So that's why I don't get a route. Another file to patch in my system ;-). Well I guess I should be glad I *can* patch files ;-). Regards. > > Set up networking:- > Edit /etc/network/interfaces to look like this:- > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet dhcp > > This file was last edited on my server on 2015-04-30 and gives me no > problems, but maybe other "features" get in the way on a desktop > system. > > Dave From valtermura at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 17:52:28 2016 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:52:28 +0100 Subject: Errors during upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 Message-ID: Hi All after having run the upgrade manager, it freezed before installing all the packages. Luckily, my system still works but I get some errors which I'm not able to solve by myself, and some features are lost. These are the errors that apt-get returns to me: ===== It is useful to execute "apt-get -f install" to correct this. I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: gwenview : Dipende: libkf5kipi-bin (>= 16.04) ma non è installato hplip : Dipende: hplip-data (= 3.16.7+repack0-1ubuntu1) ma la versione 3.16.3+repack0-1 è installata Dipende: printer-driver-hpcups (= 3.16.7+repack0-1ubuntu1) ma la versione 3.16.3+repack0-1 è installata kde-runtime : Dipende: libwebp6 (>= 0.5.1) ma non è installato kde-spectacle : Dipende: libkf5kipi-bin (>= 16.04) ma non è installato Dipende: libkf5screen7 (>= 4:5.6.3) ma non è installato kscreen : Dipende: libkf5screen7 (>= 4:5.6.3) ma non è installato libkf5i18n-data : Rompe: kde-l10n-it (< 4:16.04.2) ma la versione 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1.1 è installata plasma-desktop-data : Rompe: kde-l10n-it (< 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu3~) ma la versione 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1.1 è installata python : Pre-dipende: python-minimal (= 2.7.11-1) ma la versione 2.7.11-2 è installata samba-libs : Dipende: python-talloc (>= 2.1.6) ma la versione 2.1.5-2 è installata E: Dipendenze non trovate. Riprovare usando -f. ===== I tried "apt-get -f install" with no success, because I get: =========== valter at valter-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get -f install Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto Generazione albero delle dipendenze Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto Correzione delle dipendenze... Fatto I seguenti pacchetti sono stati installati automaticamente e non sono più richiesti: linux-headers-4.4.0-21 linux-headers-4.4.0-21-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-22 linux-headers-4.4.0-22-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-23 linux-headers-4.4.0-23-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-24 linux-headers-4.4.0-24-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-27 linux-headers-4.4.0-27-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-34 linux-headers-4.4.0-34-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-36 linux-headers-4.4.0-36-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-43 linux-headers-4.4.0-43-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-45 linux-headers-4.4.0-45-generic linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic linux-image-4.4.0-23-generic linux-image-4.4.0-24-generic linux-image-4.4.0-27-generic linux-image-4.4.0-34-generic linux-image-4.4.0-36-generic linux-image-4.4.0-43-generic linux-image-4.4.0-45-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-21-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-22-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-23-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-24-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-27-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-34-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-36-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-43-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-45-generic python3-dbus.mainloop.qt Usare "sudo apt autoremove" per rimuoverli. The following additional packages will be installed: hplip-data kde-l10n-it libkf5kexiv2-15.0.0 libkf5kipi-bin libkf5screen-bin libkf5screen7 libpowerdevilcore2 libpython-stdlib libwebp6 printer-driver-hpcups python python-talloc Pacchetti suggeriti: hplip-doc python-doc python-tk I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI: libkf5kipi30.0.0 libkf5screen6 I seguenti pacchetti NUOVI saranno installati: libkf5kexiv2-15.0.0 libkf5kipi-bin libkf5screen7 libwebp6 I seguenti pacchetti saranno aggiornati: hplip-data kde-l10n-it libkf5screen-bin libpowerdevilcore2 libpython-stdlib printer-driver-hpcups python python-talloc 8 aggiornati, 4 installati, 2 da rimuovere e 753 non aggiornati. 712 non completamente installati o rimossi. È necessario scaricare 0 B/17,2 MB di archivi. Dopo quest'operazione, verranno occupati 2.161 kB di spazio su disco. Continuare? [S/n] s (Lettura del database... 500886 file e directory attualmente installati.) Preparativi per estrarre .../kde-l10n-it_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb... Estrazione di kde-l10n-it (4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1) su (4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1.1)... dpkg: errore nell'elaborare l'archivio /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-it_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): tentata sovrascrittura di "/usr/share/doc/HTML/it/khelpcenter/index.cache.bz2" presente anche nel pacchetto khelpcenter 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 dpkg-deb: errore: il sottoprocesso paste è stato terminato dal segnale (Pipe interrotta) Si sono verificati degli errori nell'elaborazione: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-it_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ============== Does anybody has any hint/suggestion? TIA Regards -- Valter *Open Source is better!* KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Nov 13 18:25:42 2016 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:25:42 +0100 Subject: Errors during upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6821321.hJoKXezYau@p5915> Valter Mura wrote: > after having run the upgrade manager, it freezed before installing all > the packages. > > Luckily, my system still works but I get some errors which I'm not > able to solve by myself, and some features are lost. These are the > errors that apt-get returns to me: > > ===== > It is useful to execute "apt-get -f install" to correct this. > I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: > gwenview : Dipende: libkf5kipi-bin (>= 16.04) ma non è installato > hplip : Dipende: hplip-data (= 3.16.7+repack0-1ubuntu1) ma la > versione 3.16.3+repack0-1 è installata > Dipende: printer-driver-hpcups (= 3.16.7+repack0-1ubuntu1) ma > la versione 3.16.3+repack0-1 è installata I'm not sure what those messages mean - could you run the command again as LC_ALL=C sudo apt-get -f install to have the messages in English. That would make it easier for us to diagnose. But from what I remember, it probably means something like gwenview depends on libkf5kipi-bin (>= 16.04) which can't be installed because another version is already installed and another package depends on it. And hplip depends on hplip-data (= 3.16.7+repack0-1ubuntu1) but version 3.16.3+repack0-1 is installed. I think for each package that can't be installed you should search for the package which prevents installing the new version and manually remove that offending package and then try to install the new version. It may take a long time though to resolve everything manually. Nils From samorris at netspace.net.au Sun Nov 13 20:23:45 2016 From: samorris at netspace.net.au (Stephen Morris) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:23:45 +1100 Subject: Kubuntu 16.10 is out! In-Reply-To: <67fc5b05-126b-05ea-0b92-9abb26b94b6e@netspace.net.au> References: <79d3eaa6-b590-b3fe-fca3-26079af4e660@netspace.net.au> <722de724-f0ea-1cae-946a-a61b9c053eff@netspace.net.au> <8b74858c-601c-b4f1-5a0b-65d89b3a1139@netspace.net.au> <0274e881-e502-ed2c-a20b-464a3bf24f97@netspace.net.au> <67fc5b05-126b-05ea-0b92-9abb26b94b6e@netspace.net.au> Message-ID: <3487ac83-cfef-dab9-4b59-d528b320b23f@netspace.net.au> On 08/11/16 08:12, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 07/11/16 08:15, Xen wrote: >> Stephen Morris schreef op 06-11-2016 22:05: >> >>> I've applied the Oxygen icon theme which changes the icon theme when >>> selecting 'Leave' to the coloured icons, but it does not change the >>> row of icons at the bottom of the launcher (the row that contains >>> 'Leave', 'Application' etc), is it not possible to change these? I >>> have also found that Fedora is exactly the same with the oxygen theme. >> >> Apparently there is only a limited set of themes that will apply the >> Oxygen icon set but this has been so since 15.04. However perhaps it >> is possible to go into the theme settings itself and explicitly >> select the Oxygen icons for the various things, I don't know. It >> might be that they just don't get selected. But this has been an >> issue since July of 2015, yeah. >> > Under 16.04 LTS, which was an upgraded to from the previous version of > Ubuntu (I don't remember which version it was exactly) etc, the reboot > options displayed when pressing 'Leave' on the launcher botton row had > the same coloured icons that are being displayed now following > Valeria's suggestion to use the Oxygen icon set, but that icon set has > not changed the row of icons on the bottom of the launcher in 16.10 to > the same set of coloured icons that were displayed under 16.04. I am > using the Breeze application theme with the Oxygen icon set. As I > mentioned before I am seeing the same symptoms under Fedora 24, and > switching to the Oxygen application theme with the Oxygen icons set > does not rectify the situation, I will try this combination under > Ubuntu next time I'm on there but I am assuming the outcome will be > the same. I have tried the Oxygen theme and there is no change to the icons along the bottom of the launcher. Is it just not possible to change them any more? regards, Steve > Does this mean that upstream has changed things in the version of > Plasma that is being used in 16.10 (and presumably Fedora) so that the > changes I'm looking for to use are no longer possible? > I couldn't upgrade from 16.04 which had the changes I'm looking for to > 16.10, as the upgrade destroyed my Ubuntu system, so I had to > reinstall 16.04 from scratch, which only installed unity, upgrade to > 16.10, and progressively add Gnome and Plasma onto that to get a > working system back again. > > regards, > Steve > > > From theuteck at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 01:07:41 2016 From: theuteck at gmail.com (uteck) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:07:41 -0600 Subject: Remove NetworkManager In-Reply-To: <1b521a7e29f781b2f9dafd41b0690f18@xenhideout.nl> References: <74fe4f660f3ca6ae4d42cb76f33255aa@xenhideout.nl> <1479046921.2288.8.camel@thefletchers.net> <1b521a7e29f781b2f9dafd41b0690f18@xenhideout.nl> Message-ID: NetworkManager will only configure interfaces not set in /etc/network/interfaces, so you can leave it installed and set the interface manually if there are occasions were you might want to use it. On 11/13/2016 08:42 AM, Xen wrote: >> Don't know if this helps but here is the networking section from my >> Ubuntu Server 14.04 setup notes:- > > Aye, I did not realize the binary of NetworkManager was still running > and it was probably causing those problems, as always. > > They created a system where you have to tell it when not to interfere, > instead of a system that asks you when it can interfere. > > This "negative" approach creates all the problems... > > Anyway, thank you for your message, very kind. > >> auto lo >> iface lo inet loopback >> auto eth0 >> iface eth0 inet dhcp > >> This file was last edited on my server on 2015-04-30 and gives me no >> problems, but maybe other "features" get in the way on a desktop >> system. >> >> Dave > From bilwalsh at swbell.net Thu Nov 17 16:13:04 2016 From: bilwalsh at swbell.net (Billie Walsh) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:13:04 -0600 Subject: Solved - Fingerprint Reader Message-ID: <2c848f1e-27b8-99e4-b5ad-86ff17f5619d@swbell.net> Not a solution I really wanted but............ Save all the important bits to the second hard drive, remove partition, create new partition and fresh install. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ From danniken at comcast.net Sun Nov 27 22:08:40 2016 From: danniken at comcast.net (Jon Danniken) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:08:40 -0700 Subject: Last Kubuntu using KDE4? Message-ID: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> Hello list, I would like to install Kubuntu on one of my machines, but I am not a fan of Plasma5. Because of this, I am wondering what the last version of Kubuntu is that is based on KDE4 (ideally an LTS version). Thanks for your help! Jon From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Mon Nov 28 04:18:13 2016 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:18:13 -0600 Subject: Last Kubuntu using KDE4? In-Reply-To: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> References: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <583BB005.8020208@optonline.net> On 11/27/2016 04:08 PM, Jon Danniken wrote: > Hello list, I would like to install Kubuntu on one of my machines, but > I am not a fan of Plasma5. Because of this, I am wondering what the > last version of Kubuntu is that is based on KDE4 (ideally an LTS > version). > > Thanks for your help! > > Jon > Don't know about Kubuntu, but there is an LTS version of Mint 17 that uses KDE4. As you may know, Mint is an offshoot of Ubuntu, and will use all the Ubuntu apps. --doug From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Sun Nov 27 22:23:34 2016 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 17:23:34 -0500 Subject: Last Kubuntu using KDE4? In-Reply-To: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> References: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> Message-ID: The last version that is a LTS would he Kubuntu 14.04. On Nov 27, 2016 5:09 PM, "Jon Danniken" wrote: > Hello list, I would like to install Kubuntu on one of my machines, but I > am not a fan of Plasma5. Because of this, I am wondering what the last > version of Kubuntu is that is based on KDE4 (ideally an LTS version). > > Thanks for your help! > > Jon > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm > an/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 03:17:56 2016 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 05:17:56 +0200 Subject: Last Kubuntu using KDE4? In-Reply-To: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> References: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6dbb8113-f7ff-832a-406f-f290867b41a0@gmail.com> On 11/28/16 00:08, Jon Danniken wrote: > Hello list, I would like to install Kubuntu on one of my machines, but I > am not a fan of Plasma5. Because of this, I am wondering what the last > version of Kubuntu is that is based on KDE4 (ideally an LTS version). > > Thanks for your help! > > Jon > last version was 14.10, last LTS was 14.04 From danniken at comcast.net Mon Nov 28 13:57:09 2016 From: danniken at comcast.net (Jon Danniken) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:57:09 -0700 Subject: Last Kubuntu using KDE4? (Inline Thanks) In-Reply-To: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> References: <46266aca-465e-fbc1-61f7-65e35ab5d5b3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4a645772-5e15-5ec0-b69c-5a4413632ec5@comcast.net> On 11/27/16 3:08 PM, Jon Danniken wrote: > Hello list, I would like to install Kubuntu on one of my machines, but I > am not a fan of Plasma5. Because of this, I am wondering what the last > version of Kubuntu is that is based on KDE4 (ideally an LTS version). On 11/27/16 3:23 PM, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: > The last version that is a LTS would he Kubuntu 14.04. Thanks Aaron! > Don't know about Kubuntu, but there is an LTS version of Mint 17 that > uses KDE4. As you may know, Mint is an offshoot of Ubuntu, and will > use all the Ubuntu apps. > > --doug Thanks Doug, looks like all of the 17* versions use KDE4. On 11/27/16 8:17 PM, O. Sinclair wrote: > >last version was 14.10, last LTS was 14.04 Thanks 0. Jon From dutch.glory at yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 20:18:51 2016 From: dutch.glory at yahoo.com (Verwijs1969) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 13:18:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: Kubuntu installation - not compatible with older BIOS Message-ID: <1480364331341-5145270.post@n6.nabble.com> i tried Kubuntu 17.04 installation but grub/boot sector is not compatible with older BIOS it keep hanging... - how dow kubuntu write grub/boot sector? - is there a way to use grub/boot sector that works fo all PC's ? -- View this message in context: http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Kubuntu-installation-not-compatible-with-older-BIOS-tp5145270.html Sent from the kubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dutch.glory at yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 18:51:02 2016 From: dutch.glory at yahoo.com (Verwijs1969) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:51:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Kubuntu 16.10 is out! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1480445462126-5145331.post@n6.nabble.com> having trouble with writing "Master boot record" (MBR) my BIOS hangs (freezes) on startup when checking disks and looking for valid (MBR)/filesystem ... installation runs fine... -- View this message in context: http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Kubuntu-16-10-is-out-tp5143070p5145331.html Sent from the kubuntu-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.