From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 00:05:39 2017 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:05:39 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not a measure of users, we can't reason something if we don't get enough testers to confirm the quality of the software. On Jun 30, 2017 7:17 PM, "Ferry Toth" wrote: > Op Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400, schreef Clay Weber: > > > The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response > > here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather tiny > > group. One that is likely shrinking even more. > > My mother uses i386. But she doesn't read this list. And I doubt she > would be able to help testing or write bug reports. She is 76 years old. > > I don't thing lack of testers or bug reports is a good measure for lack > of users. There must be a better way, like counting downloads of a > specific package (i386 vs ams64). > > Don't forget kubuntu is likely to be installed on older machines as a > replacement of WinXP and many are i386. > > > The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps > > dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, > > 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > >> > >> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: > >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu > >> > >> Please report test results here: > >> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds > >> > >> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think > >> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no > >> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to > >> support. > >> > >> Is there any reason to keep it? > >> > >> Valorie > >> > >> -- > >> http://about.me/valoriez > >> > >> -- > >> kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify > >> settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at lang.hm Sat Jul 1 00:17:02 2017 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 17:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: so what testing is needed? is it just "run it and report bugs" (i.e., "it works for me") or is there some objective way to perform tests and quantify the result? David Lang On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:05:39 -0400 > From: Aaron Honeycutt > Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support > To: Kubuntu user technical support > Cc: Kubuntu Developer Discussion > Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test > > It's not a measure of users, we can't reason something if we don't get > enough testers to confirm the quality of the software. > > On Jun 30, 2017 7:17 PM, "Ferry Toth" wrote: > >> Op Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400, schreef Clay Weber: >> >>> The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response >>> here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather tiny >>> group. One that is likely shrinking even more. >> >> My mother uses i386. But she doesn't read this list. And I doubt she >> would be able to help testing or write bug reports. She is 76 years old. >> >> I don't thing lack of testers or bug reports is a good measure for lack >> of users. There must be a better way, like counting downloads of a >> specific package (i386 vs ams64). >> >> Don't forget kubuntu is likely to be installed on older machines as a >> replacement of WinXP and many are i386. >> >>> The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps >>> dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, >>> 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >>>> >>>> Please report test results here: >>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >>>> >>>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think >>>> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >>>> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >>>> support. >>>> >>>> Is there any reason to keep it? >>>> >>>> Valorie >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://about.me/valoriez >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify >>>> settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ >> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > -------------- next part -------------- -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 00:29:05 2017 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:29:05 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The original email has the link to the 64 bit builds but it works the same for 32 bit but those will have to wait till Alpha 2 now. On Jun 30, 2017 8:17 PM, "David Lang" wrote: > so what testing is needed? is it just "run it and report bugs" (i.e., "it > works for me") > > or is there some objective way to perform tests and quantify the result? > > David Lang > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: > > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:05:39 -0400 >> From: Aaron Honeycutt >> Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support >> To: Kubuntu user technical support >> Cc: Kubuntu Developer Discussion >> Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test >> >> It's not a measure of users, we can't reason something if we don't get >> enough testers to confirm the quality of the software. >> >> On Jun 30, 2017 7:17 PM, "Ferry Toth" wrote: >> >> Op Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400, schreef Clay Weber: >>> >>> The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response >>>> here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather tiny >>>> group. One that is likely shrinking even more. >>>> >>> >>> My mother uses i386. But she doesn't read this list. And I doubt she >>> would be able to help testing or write bug reports. She is 76 years old. >>> >>> I don't thing lack of testers or bug reports is a good measure for lack >>> of users. There must be a better way, like counting downloads of a >>> specific package (i386 vs ams64). >>> >>> Don't forget kubuntu is likely to be installed on older machines as a >>> replacement of WinXP and many are i386. >>> >>> The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps >>>> dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, >>>> 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >>>>> >>>>> Please report test results here: >>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >>>>> >>>>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think >>>>> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >>>>> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >>>>> support. >>>>> >>>>> Is there any reason to keep it? >>>>> >>>>> Valorie >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://about.me/valoriez >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify >>>>> settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> kubuntu-users mailing list >>> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ >>> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> >>> > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayburke30 at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 05:36:03 2017 From: rayburke30 at gmail.com (ray burke) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 15:36:03 +1000 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: <2490210.IYk37WjmKf@kirk> References: <2490210.IYk37WjmKf@kirk> Message-ID: Alan and friends, I still use 32bit k12.04 on dialup, as I am only a pensioner cant afford to go higher that this even thought I would like to try k16.04 , but to update, I require 1.4gb of down load but cant cause of dialup that why I use dual boot win7 /k12.04? Ray On 7/1/17, Alan (grokit) wrote: > I personally don't use the 32 bit flavor of Kubuntu. LXQT will take care of > that soon(?). It is close enough to Kubuntu to run on old, slow hardware. > The only machine I use 32 bit anything on is an old netbook. Although > Kubuntu ran OK on it Lubuntu runs better. > Sad to see the 32 bit version go away but that hardware is going away like > DVD players in a desktop. > By the way, thanks to everybody who works on Kubuntu. If any of you find > yourselves in central New Jersey, shoot me an email and I'll buy you a > beer. > > Alan > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 1:33:53 PM EDT Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >> >> Please report test results here: >> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >> >> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think >> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >> support. >> >> Is there any reason to keep it? >> >> Valorie >> >> > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sat Jul 1 19:30:46 2017 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 15:30:46 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2da1c2eb-7d78-2789-b791-4608c508a5be@bmarsh.com> On 06/29/2017 04:47 PM, Bmarsh wrote: > Is it worth downloading Alpha 1 32 bit or will Alpha 2 be along soon? > > >> *From: * Valorie Zimmerman > > >> *To: * Kubuntu Developer Discussion > >, >> kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net, Kubuntu user technical support >> > >> *Subject: * Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test >> *Date: * 6/29/17, 4:33 PM >> >> >> > >> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >> >> Please report test results here: >> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >> >> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think >> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >> support. >> >> Is there any reason to keep it? >> > > I have 1 laptop and 3 servers running i386. And several spares as > backup. > > > >> Valorie >> >> -- >> http://about.me/valoriez >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > > -- The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work. - (Metaphor on High School Essay) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at hackbinary.com Sat Jul 1 21:14:40 2017 From: david at hackbinary.com (David) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 22:14:40 +0100 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <2da1c2eb-7d78-2789-b791-4608c508a5be@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: Please drop kubuntu i386 support. On 1 Jul 2017 20:31, "Bruce Marshall" wrote: On 06/29/2017 04:47 PM, Bmarsh wrote: Is it worth downloading Alpha 1 32 bit or will Alpha 2 be along soon? *From: * Valorie Zimmerman *To: * Kubuntu Developer Discussion , kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net, Kubuntu user technical support < kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> *Subject: * Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test *Date: * 6/29/17, 4:33 PM Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu Please report test results here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to support. Is there any reason to keep it? I have 1 laptop and 3 servers running i386. And several spares as backup. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work. - (Metaphor on High School Essay) -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Jul 2 02:26:22 2017 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bruce Marshall) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 22:26:22 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17533072-241b-84a8-68cb-6d8cfc359922@bmarsh.com> On 06/29/2017 04:47 PM, Bmarsh wrote: > Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu > > Please report test results here: > http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds Did I miss something?? Went to grab a 32 bit image file and there aren't any at the above link. All 64 bit From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 02:45:03 2017 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 22:45:03 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: <17533072-241b-84a8-68cb-6d8cfc359922@bmarsh.com> References: <17533072-241b-84a8-68cb-6d8cfc359922@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: 32 bit was not included this Alpha. On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On 06/29/2017 04:47 PM, Bmarsh wrote: > >> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >> >> Please report test results here: >> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >> > > > Did I miss something?? Went to grab a 32 bit image file and there aren't > any at the above link. All 64 bit > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm > an/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessys at smart.net Sun Jul 2 03:07:57 2017 From: accessys at smart.net (accessys at smart.net) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 23:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <17533072-241b-84a8-68cb-6d8cfc359922@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: how in the heck can you complain no testers when there is nothing to test????? Bob On Sat, 1 Jul 2017, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: > Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 22:45:03 -0400 > From: Aaron Honeycutt > Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support > To: Kubuntu user technical support > Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test > > 32 bit was not included this Alpha. > > On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: > >> On 06/29/2017 04:47 PM, Bmarsh wrote: >> >>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >>> >>> Please report test results here: >>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >>> >> >> >> Did I miss something?? Went to grab a 32 bit image file and there aren't >> any at the above link. All 64 bit >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm >> an/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 13:41:43 2017 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 14:41:43 +0100 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs Message-ID: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> Going to try this again. I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. For example if I try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my normal password doesn't work and I get Permission denied. Possibly incorrect password, please try again. On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) to use this program. Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_winbind.so): /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM adding faulty module: pam_winbind.so Jul 2 14:38:19 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_winbind.so): /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 2 14:38:19 Rachael sudo: PAM adding faulty module: pam_winbind.so Jul 2 14:38:23 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_winbind.so): /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 2 14:38:23 Rachael sudo: PAM adding faulty module: pam_winbind.so Jul 2 14:38:25 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed Jul 2 14:38:25 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify password for [mfraser] From zekkerj at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 15:10:20 2017 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 12:10:20 -0300 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> References: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> Message-ID: The logs say that "pam_winbind.so" is faulty. But, are you using winbindd (Windows/Samba) authentication? And which groups are you member of? 2017-07-02 10:41 GMT-03:00 Mark Fraser : > Going to try this again. > > I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. For example > if I > try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my normal password doesn't work > and > I get > > Permission denied. > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) to use > this > program. > > Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. > > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_winbind.so): /lib/ > security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > directory > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM adding faulty module: pam_winbind.so > Jul 2 14:38:19 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_winbind.so): /lib/ > security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > directory > Jul 2 14:38:19 Rachael sudo: PAM adding faulty module: pam_winbind.so > Jul 2 14:38:23 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_winbind.so): /lib/ > security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > directory > Jul 2 14:38:23 Rachael sudo: PAM adding faulty module: pam_winbind.so > Jul 2 14:38:25 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed > Jul 2 14:38:25 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify > password for [mfraser] > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Sun Jul 2 17:56:51 2017 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 19:56:51 +0200 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> References: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> Message-ID: <11107396.Y5E2vOXc6F@p5915> Mark Fraser wrote: > Going to try this again. > > I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. For > example if I try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my normal > password doesn't work and I get > > Permission denied. > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) to > use this program. > > Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. > > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_winbind.so): > /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No > such file or directory This time it looks like a useful error message to me - with your previous post I had no idea where to look. apt-file search pam_winbind.so libpam-winbind: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so So it seems like you are missing the "libpam-winbind" package. If installing that package fixes the problem, you might file a bug report for the partition manager and / or kuser about a missing dependency. Nils From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 18:06:12 2017 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 19:06:12 +0100 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <11107396.Y5E2vOXc6F@p5915> References: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> <11107396.Y5E2vOXc6F@p5915> Message-ID: <3943242.1DhyOZVfUt@rachael> On Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:56:51 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > Going to try this again. > > > > I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. For > > example if I try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my normal > > password doesn't work and I get > > > > Permission denied. > > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) to > > use this program. > > > > Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. > > > > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_winbind.so): > > /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No > > such file or directory > > This time it looks like a useful error message to me - with your > previous post I had no idea where to look. > > apt-file search pam_winbind.so > libpam-winbind: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so > > So it seems like you are missing the "libpam-winbind" package. If > installing that package fixes the problem, you might file a bug report > for the partition manager and / or kuser about a missing dependency. apt-cache policy libpam-winbind libpam-winbind: Installed: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 Candidate: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 Version table: *** 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 500 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-updates/main amd64 Packages 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2:4.5.4+dfsg-1ubuntu2 500 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty/main amd64 Packages I have even tried reinstalling the package. I have done a Google search for the error message, but they all refer to samba. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From kassube at gmx.net Sun Jul 2 19:27:00 2017 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 21:27 +0200 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <3943242.1DhyOZVfUt@rachael> References: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> <11107396.Y5E2vOXc6F@p5915> <3943242.1DhyOZVfUt@rachael> Message-ID: <1981161.kmWPKqDSmx@p5915> Mark Fraser wrote: > On Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:56:51 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > Going to try this again. > > > > > > I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. For > > > example if I try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my normal > > > password doesn't work and I get > > > > > > Permission denied. > > > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > > > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) > > > to > > > use this program. > > > > > > Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. > > > > > > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to > > > dlopen(pam_winbind.so): > > > /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No > > > such file or directory > > > > This time it looks like a useful error message to me - with your > > previous post I had no idea where to look. > > > > apt-file search pam_winbind.so > > libpam-winbind: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so > > > > So it seems like you are missing the "libpam-winbind" package. If > > installing that package fixes the problem, you might file a bug > > report for the partition manager and / or kuser about a missing > > dependency. > apt-cache policy libpam-winbind > libpam-winbind: > Installed: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > Candidate: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 I think I didn't look carefully enough at the error message. Actually the package libpam-winbind comes with the file pam_winbind.so in the folder "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/" while it was missing in the folder "/lib/security/". You could try these commands to link the existing file to the expected location: sudo mkdir -p /lib/security/ sudo ln -s ../x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so /lib/security/ Nils From david at lang.hm Mon Jul 3 01:42:55 2017 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 18:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <7b546d37-39fd-6775-20dd-d8c5436905a9@gmx.net> Message-ID: There have been a few odd corner cases, but just about everything in userspace doesn't care if the kernel is 32 bit or 64 bit. People started running 64 bit kernels with 32 bit userspace fairly early on, and it's only gotten better. The bigger reason for running 32 bit is that you are on either very old hardware, or an embedded system that's really small/cheap hardware. I would question if anyone is running KDE/Kubuntu on new, small/cheap 32bit x86 hardware (there are a lot of people running on 32 bit ARM hardware) But there are probably a lot of old laptops/desktops around that aren't 64 bit (but they are getting quite old by now). There are two questions about this hardware 1. is there enough of it to have kubuntu worry about it 2. is the performance of kubuntu on such limited hardware (memory and cpu) worth it. Remember, we are talking about single-core system, most of which will only have a GB or two of ram (4G max except for corner cases that are messy to support) Linux will continue to run on these systems, the question is if the KDE desktop will run in such limited resource environments. David Lang From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 19:21:36 2017 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 20:21:36 +0100 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <1981161.kmWPKqDSmx@p5915> References: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> <3943242.1DhyOZVfUt@rachael> <1981161.kmWPKqDSmx@p5915> Message-ID: <11290781.VeNR9SOijQ@rachael> On Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:27:00 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:56:51 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > > Going to try this again. > > > > > > > > I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. For > > > > example if I try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my normal > > > > password doesn't work and I get > > > > > > > > Permission denied. > > > > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > > > > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) > > > > to > > > > use this program. > > > > > > > > Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. > > > > > > > > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to > > > > dlopen(pam_winbind.so): > > > > /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No > > > > such file or directory > > > > > > This time it looks like a useful error message to me - with your > > > previous post I had no idea where to look. > > > > > > apt-file search pam_winbind.so > > > libpam-winbind: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so > > > > > > So it seems like you are missing the "libpam-winbind" package. If > > > installing that package fixes the problem, you might file a bug > > > report for the partition manager and / or kuser about a missing > > > dependency. > > > > apt-cache policy libpam-winbind > > > > libpam-winbind: > > Installed: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > > Candidate: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > > I think I didn't look carefully enough at the error message. Actually > the package libpam-winbind comes with the file pam_winbind.so in the > folder "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/" while it was missing in the > folder "/lib/security/". You could try these commands to link the > existing file to the expected location: > > sudo mkdir -p /lib/security/ > sudo ln -s ../x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so /lib/security/ > > > Nils Looks like the winbind errors were a false alarm as I have now removed libpam- winbind and now the error is just: Jul 4 20:18:52 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed Jul 4 20:18:52 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify password for [mfraser] Jul 4 20:19:10 Rachael smbd: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed for user nobody If I use kdesudo partitionmanager Jul 4 20:20:43 Rachael sudo: mfraser : TTY=pts/4 ; PWD=/home/mfraser ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/partitionmanager Jul 4 20:20:43 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for user root by mfraser(uid=0) -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From zekkerj at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 19:42:57 2017 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:42:57 -0300 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <11290781.VeNR9SOijQ@rachael> References: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> <3943242.1DhyOZVfUt@rachael> <1981161.kmWPKqDSmx@p5915> <11290781.VeNR9SOijQ@rachael> Message-ID: Is your machine _really_ authenticating via Samba? 2017-07-04 16:21 GMT-03:00 Mark Fraser : > On Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:27:00 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > On Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:56:51 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > > > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > > > Going to try this again. > > > > > > > > > > I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. For > > > > > example if I try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my normal > > > > > password doesn't work and I get > > > > > > > > > > Permission denied. > > > > > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > > > > > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) > > > > > to > > > > > use this program. > > > > > > > > > > Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. > > > > > > > > > > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to > > > > > dlopen(pam_winbind.so): > > > > > /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No > > > > > such file or directory > > > > > > > > This time it looks like a useful error message to me - with your > > > > previous post I had no idea where to look. > > > > > > > > apt-file search pam_winbind.so > > > > libpam-winbind: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so > > > > > > > > So it seems like you are missing the "libpam-winbind" package. If > > > > installing that package fixes the problem, you might file a bug > > > > report for the partition manager and / or kuser about a missing > > > > dependency. > > > > > > apt-cache policy libpam-winbind > > > > > > libpam-winbind: > > > Installed: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > > > Candidate: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > > > > I think I didn't look carefully enough at the error message. Actually > > the package libpam-winbind comes with the file pam_winbind.so in the > > folder "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/" while it was missing in the > > folder "/lib/security/". You could try these commands to link the > > existing file to the expected location: > > > > sudo mkdir -p /lib/security/ > > sudo ln -s ../x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so /lib/security/ > > > > > > Nils > > Looks like the winbind errors were a false alarm as I have now removed > libpam- > winbind and now the error is just: > > Jul 4 20:18:52 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed > Jul 4 20:18:52 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify > password for [mfraser] > Jul 4 20:19:10 Rachael smbd: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed for > user > nobody > > If I use kdesudo partitionmanager > Jul 4 20:20:43 Rachael sudo: mfraser : TTY=pts/4 ; PWD=/home/mfraser ; > USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/partitionmanager > Jul 4 20:20:43 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for > user > root by mfraser(uid=0) > > > -- > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 19:59:13 2017 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 20:59:13 +0100 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: References: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> <11290781.VeNR9SOijQ@rachael> Message-ID: <187418424.XxOgQFg9CA@rachael> On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 20:42:57 BST José Queiroz wrote: > 2017-07-04 16:21 GMT-03:00 Mark Fraser : > > On Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:27:00 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > > On Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:56:51 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > > > > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > > > > Going to try this again. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. For > > > > > > example if I try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my normal > > > > > > password doesn't work and I get > > > > > > > > > > > > Permission denied. > > > > > > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > > > > > > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) > > > > > > to > > > > > > use this program. > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to > > > > > > dlopen(pam_winbind.so): > > > > > > /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: No > > > > > > such file or directory > > > > > > > > > > This time it looks like a useful error message to me - with your > > > > > previous post I had no idea where to look. > > > > > > > > > > apt-file search pam_winbind.so > > > > > libpam-winbind: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so > > > > > > > > > > So it seems like you are missing the "libpam-winbind" package. If > > > > > installing that package fixes the problem, you might file a bug > > > > > report for the partition manager and / or kuser about a missing > > > > > dependency. > > > > > > > > apt-cache policy libpam-winbind > > > > > > > > libpam-winbind: > > > > Installed: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > > > > Candidate: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > > > > > > I think I didn't look carefully enough at the error message. Actually > > > the package libpam-winbind comes with the file pam_winbind.so in the > > > folder "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/" while it was missing in the > > > folder "/lib/security/". You could try these commands to link the > > > existing file to the expected location: > > > > > > sudo mkdir -p /lib/security/ > > > sudo ln -s ../x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so /lib/security/ > > > > > > > > > Nils > > > > Looks like the winbind errors were a false alarm as I have now removed > > libpam- > > winbind and now the error is just: > > > > Jul 4 20:18:52 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed > > Jul 4 20:18:52 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify > > password for [mfraser] > > Jul 4 20:19:10 Rachael smbd: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed for > > user > > nobody > > > > If I use kdesudo partitionmanager > > Jul 4 20:20:43 Rachael sudo: mfraser : TTY=pts/4 ; PWD=/home/mfraser ; > > USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/partitionmanager > > Jul 4 20:20:43 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for > > user > > root by mfraser(uid=0) > Is your machine _really_ authenticating via Samba? No, I think you can ignore that. It was from almost a minute later anyway. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From zekkerj at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 20:41:43 2017 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 17:41:43 -0300 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <187418424.XxOgQFg9CA@rachael> References: <4115667.Np41XoUxbH@rachael> <11290781.VeNR9SOijQ@rachael> <187418424.XxOgQFg9CA@rachael> Message-ID: I don't think you should ignore that, as this seems to be the problem --- your machine is, for some reason, trying to authenticate via winbindd and/or Samba. Find the reason, and probably you'll find the fix. 2017-07-04 16:59 GMT-03:00 Mark Fraser : > On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 20:42:57 BST José Queiroz wrote: > > 2017-07-04 16:21 GMT-03:00 Mark Fraser : > > > On Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:27:00 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > > > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > > > On Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:56:51 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > > > > > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > > > > > Going to try this again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unable to run certain programs after upgrading to 17.04. > For > > > > > > > example if I try to run KDE Partition Manager or Kuser, my > normal > > > > > > > password doesn't work and I get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Permission denied. > > > > > > > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > > > > > > > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: > wheel) > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > use this program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jul 2 14:38:08 Rachael sudo: PAM unable to > > > > > > > dlopen(pam_winbind.so): > > > > > > > /lib/ security/pam_winbind.so: cannot open shared object file: > No > > > > > > > such file or directory > > > > > > > > > > > > This time it looks like a useful error message to me - with your > > > > > > previous post I had no idea where to look. > > > > > > > > > > > > apt-file search pam_winbind.so > > > > > > libpam-winbind: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so > > > > > > > > > > > > So it seems like you are missing the "libpam-winbind" package. If > > > > > > installing that package fixes the problem, you might file a bug > > > > > > report for the partition manager and / or kuser about a missing > > > > > > dependency. > > > > > > > > > > apt-cache policy libpam-winbind > > > > > > > > > > libpam-winbind: > > > > > Installed: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > > > > > Candidate: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-0ubuntu0.17.04.2 > > > > > > > > I think I didn't look carefully enough at the error message. Actually > > > > the package libpam-winbind comes with the file pam_winbind.so in the > > > > folder "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/" while it was missing in the > > > > folder "/lib/security/". You could try these commands to link the > > > > existing file to the expected location: > > > > > > > > sudo mkdir -p /lib/security/ > > > > sudo ln -s ../x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_winbind.so > /lib/security/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nils > > > > > > Looks like the winbind errors were a false alarm as I have now removed > > > libpam- > > > winbind and now the error is just: > > > > > > Jul 4 20:18:52 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed > > > Jul 4 20:18:52 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not > identify > > > password for [mfraser] > > > Jul 4 20:19:10 Rachael smbd: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed > for > > > user > > > nobody > > > > > > If I use kdesudo partitionmanager > > > Jul 4 20:20:43 Rachael sudo: mfraser : TTY=pts/4 ; PWD=/home/mfraser > ; > > > USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/partitionmanager > > > Jul 4 20:20:43 Rachael sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened > for > > > user > > > root by mfraser(uid=0) > > > Is your machine _really_ authenticating via Samba? > > No, I think you can ignore that. It was from almost a minute later anyway. > > -- > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdhirsch at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 17:10:50 2017 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 11:10:50 -0600 Subject: Grouping of processes in Task Manager Message-ID: Since upgrading to Zesty, I've noticed a new issue with grouping of tasks in the Task Manager. I run many java applications. Three examples are Eclipse, Intellij Idea, and Squirrel. Each has a launch script that ends up running java with a variety of commandline options. Since upgrading, these apps all end up in the same group in the task manager. I've attached a screenshot to illustrate. It shows the task manager after I click on the acorn icon which is the icon for squirrel. Note that the other two applications grouped with it have very different icons. The second one labeled "jaws-trunk" is actually Intellij Idea, and the third one is Eclipse Memory Analyzer. Until my upgrade all of these would have been separate icons. I understand that they are all java programs, and I have task manager set to group by program, but it didn't used to do this. Any suggestions? Should I just file a defect against task manager? Michael -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: taskmanager.png Type: image/png Size: 28551 bytes Desc: not available URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 00:11:07 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:11:07 -0700 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <17533072-241b-84a8-68cb-6d8cfc359922@bmarsh.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 PM, wrote: > > how in the heck can you complain no testers when there is nothing to > test????? > > Bob Hi Bob, you can always test the daily ISOs. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ > On Sat, 1 Jul 2017, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 22:45:03 -0400 >> From: Aaron Honeycutt >> Reply-To: Kubuntu user technical support >> To: Kubuntu user technical support >> Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test >> >> >> 32 bit was not included this Alpha. >> >> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Bruce Marshall wrote: >> >>> On 06/29/2017 04:47 PM, Bmarsh wrote: >>> >>>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >>>> >>>> Please report test results here: >>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >>>> >>> >>> >>> Did I miss something?? Went to grab a 32 bit image file and there >>> aren't >>> any at the above link. All 64 bit Evidently you were just a bit late. Once the alpha and beta ISOs are spun, we have only a few days to complete the required testing at the http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones site before the milestone release. Testing afterward is great, but it does not help in qualifying the milestone for release. In answer to another question -- we have loads of automated testing, all during the development process, as does our upstreams, Debian and KDE. In addition, we have our own "KCI" which is the Kubuntu Continuous Integration tests of our own automated packaging. Without this, our small crew would not be able to create Kubuntu. We rely on PEOPLE to install and use the ISOs and the software itself, and file bugs, and fix them if possible. We want feedback of all sorts, even grumbling. Everybody uses different equipment and has different needs and tastes. We rely on you the users to talk to the team when something needs fixing. What seems like an obvious bug to you might not have been seen by any of us. Remember we are a small team, and all volunteer. According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule the Alpha 2 is July 27th. So we have about 2 weeks to get ready. I will put out a call *as soon as possible after the ISOs are spun* although I will be in Spain at Akademy. So I'll have even less time to test than usual, although I am running Artful on my main machine already. :-) If you are one of the people who want i386 to be out for general testing, please plan on helping run the test suites on the qa tracker for i386, so that we can release this milestone on the way to our final release of 17.10 in October. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 22:43:55 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:43:55 -0700 Subject: Podcast help needed? Message-ID: Hi folks, I know many of us are missing our beloved podcast, which was an absolutely super motivational thru-line for the Kubuntu team. Even watching episodes long after they were recorded, the energy comes through, and the sense of fun, even if the information is a bit dated. Lately some of our podcast stalwarts have faced personal challenges that have kept it off the air, and we're really missing it. What you don't see if you just watch what's posted on Youtube is the pre-podcast leadership meeting, and sometimes post-podcast as well. Without the podcast, those meetings have gotten more sparse as well. The team has poured loads of time and energy into making the podcast, and from an outsider's perspective, I think that some enthusiastic volunteers would be welcome. Rick Timmis has been the sparkler, and right now he's not able to join in. Ovidiu-Florin also is facing some challenges, and Aaron can hardly carry on alone. It's just not the same. Do we have a few people who are interested in joining in, even on an interim basis? How about people to do some of the post-work, preparing the raw recordings for upload to Youtube? We have a small team, and even bits of help are really motivational. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From valorie-zimmerman at kubuntu.org Sun Jul 16 02:08:18 2017 From: valorie-zimmerman at kubuntu.org (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:08:18 -0700 Subject: Fwd: [Kubuntu-council] SRU verification - plasma 5.9.5 update for Zesty In-Reply-To: <986c9f70-7182-8a29-625a-5e16fe145661@kubuntu.org> References: <986c9f70-7182-8a29-625a-5e16fe145661@kubuntu.org> Message-ID: Hello folks, Rik sent this to the -devel list a few days ago, but has gotten no volunteers to do the testing. This is sad to see. Is anyone here running Zesty who can step up? If so, please CC the -devel list. I'm not sure Rik is on the user list. Valorie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rik Mills Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:17 PM Subject: [Kubuntu-council] SRU verification - plasma 5.9.5 update for Zesty To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion , kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net Hi. The SRU verification for plasma 5.9.5 to zesty updates for zesty remains outstanding, and needs to be done if we with this update to go ahead into the archive. The bug to verify on is here: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1687444 SRU verification procedure is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification If not verified, these updates will eventually be deleted. Thank you. Rik. He added later: "Final call from me. "I have been asked by release team about the status on this. If no one can test on zesty real hardware (I can't) then going to have to let these updates die. "(they are in our updates ppa BTW)" From gsilvapt at ubuntu.com Sun Jul 16 21:19:17 2017 From: gsilvapt at ubuntu.com (Gustavo Silva) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:19:17 +0000 Subject: Podcast help needed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, It really depends on what you are looking for because some may never did anything a-like and some tasks may not be exciting for those. You can count me in preemptively but it really depends on what is needed. Regards, Gustavo. On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 23:44 Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hi folks, I know many of us are missing our beloved podcast, which was > an absolutely super motivational thru-line for the Kubuntu team. Even > watching episodes long after they were recorded, the energy comes > through, and the sense of fun, even if the information is a bit dated. > > Lately some of our podcast stalwarts have faced personal challenges > that have kept it off the air, and we're really missing it. > > What you don't see if you just watch what's posted on Youtube is the > pre-podcast leadership meeting, and sometimes post-podcast as well. > Without the podcast, those meetings have gotten more sparse as well. > > The team has poured loads of time and energy into making the podcast, > and from an outsider's perspective, I think that some enthusiastic > volunteers would be welcome. Rick Timmis has been the sparkler, and > right now he's not able to join in. Ovidiu-Florin also is facing some > challenges, and Aaron can hardly carry on alone. It's just not the > same. > > Do we have a few people who are interested in joining in, even on an > interim basis? How about people to do some of the post-work, preparing > the raw recordings for upload to Youtube? > > We have a small team, and even bits of help are really motivational. > > Valorie > > -- > http://about.me/valoriez > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > -- Best Regards / Obrigado e com os melhores cumprimentos, Gustavo Silva -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cody.smith at ubuntu.com Sun Jul 16 21:24:31 2017 From: cody.smith at ubuntu.com (Cody Smith) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:24:31 -0700 Subject: Podcast help needed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I might be able to help out every now and again. --c_smith On Jul 16, 2017 2:20 PM, "Gustavo Silva" wrote: > Hello all, > > It really depends on what you are looking for because some may never did > anything a-like and some tasks may not be exciting for those. > You can count me in preemptively but it really depends on what is needed. > > Regards, > Gustavo. > > On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 23:44 Valorie Zimmerman < > valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi folks, I know many of us are missing our beloved podcast, which was >> an absolutely super motivational thru-line for the Kubuntu team. Even >> watching episodes long after they were recorded, the energy comes >> through, and the sense of fun, even if the information is a bit dated. >> >> Lately some of our podcast stalwarts have faced personal challenges >> that have kept it off the air, and we're really missing it. >> >> What you don't see if you just watch what's posted on Youtube is the >> pre-podcast leadership meeting, and sometimes post-podcast as well. >> Without the podcast, those meetings have gotten more sparse as well. >> >> The team has poured loads of time and energy into making the podcast, >> and from an outsider's perspective, I think that some enthusiastic >> volunteers would be welcome. Rick Timmis has been the sparkler, and >> right now he's not able to join in. Ovidiu-Florin also is facing some >> challenges, and Aaron can hardly carry on alone. It's just not the >> same. >> >> Do we have a few people who are interested in joining in, even on an >> interim basis? How about people to do some of the post-work, preparing >> the raw recordings for upload to Youtube? >> >> We have a small team, and even bits of help are really motivational. >> >> Valorie >> >> -- >> http://about.me/valoriez >> >> -- >> kubuntu-devel mailing list >> kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ >> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel >> > -- > Best Regards / Obrigado e com os melhores cumprimentos, > Gustavo Silva > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Tue Jul 18 20:38:58 2017 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan (grokit)) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:38:58 -0400 Subject: Podcast help needed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1858732.3ulHgYTObF@kirk> I might be able to help out. I'll need to know more of what is expected first of course. I have a computer that can easily handle video encoding and I'm willing to learn what I don't know. Alan On Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:43:55 PM EDT Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hi folks, I know many of us are missing our beloved podcast, which was > an absolutely super motivational thru-line for the Kubuntu team. Even > watching episodes long after they were recorded, the energy comes > through, and the sense of fun, even if the information is a bit dated. > > Lately some of our podcast stalwarts have faced personal challenges > that have kept it off the air, and we're really missing it. > > What you don't see if you just watch what's posted on Youtube is the > pre-podcast leadership meeting, and sometimes post-podcast as well. > Without the podcast, those meetings have gotten more sparse as well. > > The team has poured loads of time and energy into making the podcast, > and from an outsider's perspective, I think that some enthusiastic > volunteers would be welcome. Rick Timmis has been the sparkler, and > right now he's not able to join in. Ovidiu-Florin also is facing some > challenges, and Aaron can hardly carry on alone. It's just not the > same. > > Do we have a few people who are interested in joining in, even on an > interim basis? How about people to do some of the post-work, preparing > the raw recordings for upload to Youtube? > > We have a small team, and even bits of help are really motivational. > > Valorie > > From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Tue Jul 18 21:45:43 2017 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:45:43 +0000 Subject: Podcast help needed? In-Reply-To: <1858732.3ulHgYTObF@kirk> References: <1858732.3ulHgYTObF@kirk> Message-ID: We for sure could use help with video editing Alan. We use kdenlive to edit the show from the live recording on BBB. On Tue, Jul 18, 2017, 4:40 PM Alan (grokit) wrote: > I might be able to help out. I'll need to know more of what is expected > first of course. I have a computer that can easily handle video encoding > and I'm willing to learn what I don't know. > > Alan > > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:43:55 PM EDT Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > Hi folks, I know many of us are missing our beloved podcast, which was > > an absolutely super motivational thru-line for the Kubuntu team. Even > > watching episodes long after they were recorded, the energy comes > > through, and the sense of fun, even if the information is a bit dated. > > > > Lately some of our podcast stalwarts have faced personal challenges > > that have kept it off the air, and we're really missing it. > > > > What you don't see if you just watch what's posted on Youtube is the > > pre-podcast leadership meeting, and sometimes post-podcast as well. > > Without the podcast, those meetings have gotten more sparse as well. > > > > The team has poured loads of time and energy into making the podcast, > > and from an outsider's perspective, I think that some enthusiastic > > volunteers would be welcome. Rick Timmis has been the sparkler, and > > right now he's not able to join in. Ovidiu-Florin also is facing some > > challenges, and Aaron can hardly carry on alone. It's just not the > > same. > > > > Do we have a few people who are interested in joining in, even on an > > interim basis? How about people to do some of the post-work, preparing > > the raw recordings for upload to Youtube? > > > > We have a small team, and even bits of help are really motivational. > > > > Valorie > > > > > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -- Aaron Honeycutt - Ubuntu Fl Loco South Lead - Kubuntu Council Member -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bm_witness at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:13:14 2017 From: bm_witness at yahoo.com (BRM) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 03:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <7b546d37-39fd-6775-20dd-d8c5436905a9@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1912248771.13755.1500952394699@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry a little late to the discussion... Personally I have an old Pentium M laptop (2003 era) that I'd like to run Kubuntu on; howeversince the proc isn't even PAE Ubuntu is a PITA any way. But it's also got other issues (WiFi, 1.25GB RAM, etc)...I doubt I'll ever really get to revive it any more. That said...from trying Kubuntu on an RPi2 and RPi3 (2GB RAM), and recently on a Pine64 (4GB RAM) Laptop :D... 4GB of RAM for KDE even with turning of nearly all effects tends to be a bit of a limiter unless you have a really good video card to go with it.It's not that it doesn't run - but things are a bit slow; Chrome/Firefox are nearly impossible, though rekonq is decent. So it comes down to the tools you want to use. That said, Intel is still releasing 32-bit x86 CPUs - which I've pointed out in other forums (G+/Ubuntu) on this same question - and that's not necessarily embedded either. $0.02 Ben http://ark.intel.com/Search/FeatureFilter?productType=processors&FilterCurrentProducts=true&EM64=false&InstructionSet=32-bit On Sunday, July 2, 2017 9:43 PM, David Lang wrote: There have been a few odd corner cases, but just about everything in userspace doesn't care if the kernel is 32 bit or 64 bit. People started running 64 bit kernels with 32 bit userspace fairly early on, and it's only gotten better. The bigger reason for running 32 bit is that you are on either very old hardware, or an embedded system that's really small/cheap hardware. I would question if anyone is running KDE/Kubuntu on new, small/cheap 32bit x86 hardware (there are a lot of people running on 32 bit ARM hardware) But there are probably a lot of old laptops/desktops around that aren't 64 bit (but they are getting quite old by now). There are two questions about this hardware 1. is there enough of it to have kubuntu worry about it 2. is the performance of kubuntu on such limited hardware (memory and cpu) worth it. Remember, we are talking about single-core system, most of which will only have a GB or two of ram (4G max except for corner cases that are messy to support) Linux will continue to run on these systems, the question is if the KDE desktop will run in such limited resource environments. David Lang -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmcgarrett at optonline.net Tue Jul 25 04:11:16 2017 From: dmcgarrett at optonline.net (Doug) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 23:11:16 -0500 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: <1912248771.13755.1500952394699@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7b546d37-39fd-6775-20dd-d8c5436905a9@gmx.net> <1912248771.13755.1500952394699@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5976C4E4.1000702@optonline.net> On 07/24/2017 10:13 PM, BRM wrote: > Sorry a little late to the discussion... > > Personally I have an old Pentium M laptop (2003 era) that I'd like to > run Kubuntu on; however > since the proc isn't even PAE Ubuntu is a PITA any way. But it's also > got other issues (WiFi, 1.25GB RAM, etc)...I doubt I'll ever really > get to revive it any more. > > That said...from trying Kubuntu on an RPi2 and RPi3 (2GB RAM), and > recently on a Pine64 (4GB RAM) Laptop :D... > > 4GB of RAM for KDE even with turning of nearly all effects tends to be > a bit of a limiter unless you have a really good video card to go with it. > It's not that it doesn't run - but things are a bit slow; > Chrome/Firefox are nearly impossible, though rekonq is decent. So it > comes down to the tools you want to use. > > That said, Intel is still releasing 32-bit x86 CPUs - which I've > pointed out in other forums (G+/Ubuntu) on this same question - and > that's not necessarily embedded either. > > $0.02 > > Ben > > http://ark.intel.com/Search/FeatureFilter?productType=processors&FilterCurrentProducts=true&EM64=false&InstructionSet=32-bit > > Everything is going to 64 bit, there's no holding that back. However, it MIGHT be possible to update the machine to that. I discovered that it is possible to update a Dell Inspiron E1505 to 64 bit by changing out the CPU! (You can look this up on Google.) That same machine came with 1Gib ram, and Dell says 2Gib is all you can have. WRONG! You can put in 4GiB worth of silicon. However, you can only use about 3.3 GiB of it. Better than 2! If you do this, get the fastest CPU of the group that fits the socket. Taking the whole laptop apart and changing the CPU is a hassle, and you must be very careful to keep track of how it came apart so that you can put it back together again! And put new Arctic Silver on the new CPU after scraping off the remains of the old on the heat sink assembly. You may need ot update the BIOS. This will not get you a new superspeed laptop, of course, but it will let you keep using your operating system, and even installing the fastest 64-bit version, It may even run a bit faster, since you will have installed a faster CPU. Windows will also work in 64 bit, if you lean that way, but I don't think you can upgrade Windows--you'd have to obtain a 64-bit install version. (The old windows will still work.) --doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.cain.25 at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 18:10:39 2017 From: james.cain.25 at gmail.com (James Cain) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:10:39 -0400 Subject: Podcast help needed? In-Reply-To: References: <1858732.3ulHgYTObF@kirk> Message-ID: ​ Hello. Is there an outline anywhere of what roles / functions are needed? If it's being a host, gathering news, producing good show notes, promo, etc., I'm sure there are people, myself included, that could help out but a bit more definition and clarity would be welcome. James​ On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: > We for sure could use help with video editing Alan. We use kdenlive to > edit the show from the live recording on BBB. > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017, 4:40 PM Alan (grokit) > wrote: > >> I might be able to help out. I'll need to know more of what is expected >> first of course. I have a computer that can easily handle video encoding >> and I'm willing to learn what I don't know. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> On Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:43:55 PM EDT Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> > Hi folks, I know many of us are missing our beloved podcast, which was >> > an absolutely super motivational thru-line for the Kubuntu team. Even >> > watching episodes long after they were recorded, the energy comes >> > through, and the sense of fun, even if the information is a bit dated. >> > >> > Lately some of our podcast stalwarts have faced personal challenges >> > that have kept it off the air, and we're really missing it. >> > >> > What you don't see if you just watch what's posted on Youtube is the >> > pre-podcast leadership meeting, and sometimes post-podcast as well. >> > Without the podcast, those meetings have gotten more sparse as well. >> > >> > The team has poured loads of time and energy into making the podcast, >> > and from an outsider's perspective, I think that some enthusiastic >> > volunteers would be welcome. Rick Timmis has been the sparkler, and >> > right now he's not able to join in. Ovidiu-Florin also is facing some >> > challenges, and Aaron can hardly carry on alone. It's just not the >> > same. >> > >> > Do we have a few people who are interested in joining in, even on an >> > interim basis? How about people to do some of the post-work, preparing >> > the raw recordings for upload to Youtube? >> > >> > We have a small team, and even bits of help are really motivational. >> > >> > Valorie >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ >> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> > -- > > Aaron Honeycutt > - Ubuntu Fl Loco South Lead > - Kubuntu Council Member > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 15:23:41 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:23:41 -0700 Subject: Artful Alpha 2 release candidate is ready for testing! Message-ID: Test if you can, on real hardware if possible, in virtual machines if not. Kubuntu Desktop amd64 testcases in Artful Daily: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/379/builds/153034/testcases (The label "Daily" will change once the Alpha 2 has been milestoned) Kubuntu Desktop i386 testcases in Artful Daily --- sooooooooo important to get this preliminary testing done if we want a 32-bit Alpha 2 ISO! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/379/builds/153035/testcases Thank you folks. That alpha 2 ISO will be spun on the 27th -- IF we have all tests done. If not....... Valorie PS: sorry for the late notice; I'm currently in Spain at KDE Akademy. You can subscribe to get the testing notices directly: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscription -- http://about.me/valoriez From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 04:06:46 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 21:06:46 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Artful Aardvark 17.10 Alpha 2 Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm happy to see that we could release both 64-bit *and* 32-bit for this Alpha 2 milestone. Please continue to test in the coming days, as sometimes there will be new images to test new bugfixes. Most of our serious bugs so far seem to be in the OEM images. Thanks for the testing you have already done! All the best, Valorie, Kubuntu Release Manager ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dustin Krysak Date: Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM Subject: Artful Aardvark 17.10 Alpha 2 Availability To: ubuntu-devel-announce at lists.ubuntu.com Cc: "Ubuntu-release at lists.ubuntu.com" "If I had as many friends as that ant, I'd run for governor." - Aardvark from The Ant and the Aardvark The second alpha of the Artful Aardvark (to become 17.10) has now been released! This milestone features images for Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu Mate, Ubuntu Budgie and Ubuntu Kylin. Pre-releases of the Artful Aardvark are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent breakage. They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu flavour developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs as we work towards getting this release ready. Alpha 2 includes some software updates that are ready for wider testing, however, it is quite an early set of images, so you should expect some bugs. While these Alpha 2 images have been tested and do work, except as noted in the release notes, Ubuntu developers are continuing to improve the Artful Aardvark. In particular, once newer daily images are available, system installation bugs identified in the Alpha 2 installer should be verified against the current daily image before being reported in Launchpad. Using an obsolete image to re-report bugs that have already been fixed wastes your time and the time of developers who are busy trying to make 17.10 the best Ubuntu release yet. Always ensure your system is up to date before reporting bugs. [Lubuntu] Lubuntu is a flavour of Ubuntu based on LXDE and focused on providing a very lightweight distribution. 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