From basroufs at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 15:10:49 2017 From: basroufs at gmail.com (Bas G. Roufs - in English) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 17:10:49 +0200 Subject: Download file LibreOffice German dictionary: small mistake & "workaround". Message-ID: <2654151.NBR47NaNnf@viaconsensus> Dear everybody from the Open Document Foundation Security Team. (A copy of this message goes to the Kubuntu and Ubuntu user mailing lists. ) Please, take a look at this page: https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/german-de-de-igerman98-dictionaries Scroll at that page, until you'll arrive at this heading: German (de-DE igerman98) dictionaries - 2011.06.21 Or copy - paste the above name directly into the search dialogue window (Control-F) of the Firefox browser. From there, scroll to the hyperlink to the download file with this name: dict-de_de-igerman98_2011-06-21 Or copy-paste this name into the search dialogue window of Firefox - the window you'll get by typing "Control-F¨ and go directly to the link I refer to. When downloading the file "behind" the link, you'll get a file with this name: dict-de_de-igerman98_2011-06-21. My system is Kubuntu (Linux) 16.04 LTS, along with KDE Plasma version 5.8.6. and LibreOffice 5.1.6.2. It "sees" the file "dict-de_de-igerman98_2011-06-21" as it comes from the download page as a .bin - file; that's why, the extension manager from Libre Office cannot work with it. However, I discovered a simple, but effective "workaround". I have "renamed" the file "dict-de_de-igerman98_2011-06-21": by manually adding the 4 characters ".oxt". So, the new name of the file is now: "dict-de_de-igerman98_2011-06-21.oxt" After doing so, the system opens the file via LibreOffice who will in it's turn automatically add this extension. However it may be - not everybody is able to solve the problem as summarized here. That's why, I advise you to upload a correctly named file to the above mentioned download page - this means a file with some name ; pls. add the 4 characters ".oxt" to it. By example: "dict-de_de-igerman98_2011-06-21.oxt" Yours. Bas G. Roufs. -- Bas G. Roufs Van 't Hoffstraat 1 NL- 3514 VT Utrecht BasRoufs at gmail.com +31 6 446 835 10 From mdhirsch at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 15:49:55 2017 From: mdhirsch at gmail.com (Michael Hirsch) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:49:55 -0600 Subject: Zesty is zippy! Message-ID: Last week I upgraded my work desktop to zesty (17.04), and I must say I am quite impressed. I don't have actual measurements, but it feels much more responsive. With 16.10 I had the windows getting killed overnight, and constant hiccups that I blamed on akonadi. Since the upgrade, logging is faster, haven't noticed any UI pauses, no windows killed overnight. :-D So, good job Kubuntu and KDE teams. Michael From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 18:41:39 2017 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:41:39 -0400 Subject: Zesty is zippy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome to hear your enjoying Kubuntu! On Jun 12, 2017 11:50 AM, "Michael Hirsch" wrote: > Last week I upgraded my work desktop to zesty (17.04), and I must say > I am quite impressed. I don't have actual measurements, but it feels > much more responsive. With 16.10 I had the windows getting killed > overnight, and constant hiccups that I blamed on akonadi. > > Since the upgrade, logging is faster, haven't noticed any UI pauses, > no windows killed overnight. :-D > > So, good job Kubuntu and KDE teams. > > Michael > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuxmario.detreb at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 11:16:09 2017 From: tuxmario.detreb at gmail.com (TuxMario DETREB) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:16:09 +0200 Subject: Zesty is zippy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ff9b085-dd49-a5ca-7c8f-e8057c5f1d69@gmail.com> Hello I fully agree with Michael! My Zesty is great. Thanks a lot to Kubuntu team Cheers : TuxMario Le 12/06/2017 à 20:41, Aaron Honeycutt a écrit : > Awesome to hear your enjoying Kubuntu! > > On Jun 12, 2017 11:50 AM, "Michael Hirsch" > wrote: > > Last week I upgraded my work desktop to zesty (17.04), and I must say > I am quite impressed. I don't have actual measurements, but it feels > much more responsive. With 16.10 I had the windows getting killed > overnight, and constant hiccups that I blamed on akonadi. > > Since the upgrade, logging is faster, haven't noticed any UI pauses, > no windows killed overnight. :-D > > So, good job Kubuntu and KDE teams. > > Michael > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 13:00:53 2017 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:00:53 +0100 Subject: Can't boot to desktop after upgrade to 17.04 Message-ID: <13618284.pDsX5xvlJC@rachael> Upgraded to 17.04 yesterday and since then I have been unable to get to the desktop unless I use the recovery mode. I have tried apt -f install dpkg --configure -a Nothing seems to work. Here is my Xorg.log https://pastebin.com/ehcDGent -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.o From kassube at gmx.net Fri Jun 16 14:46:19 2017 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:46:19 +0200 Subject: Can't boot to desktop after upgrade to 17.04 In-Reply-To: <13618284.pDsX5xvlJC@rachael> References: <13618284.pDsX5xvlJC@rachael> Message-ID: <5221590.xYGREr4L17@p5915> Mark Fraser wrote: > Upgraded to 17.04 yesterday and since then I have been unable to get > to the desktop unless I use the recovery mode. > Here is my Xorg.log https://pastebin.com/ehcDGent To me the log looks like you have an nvidia graphics card in your machine and the nvidia driver doesn't want to load correctly. Maybe the upgrade didn't properly install the nvidia driver. Therefore I would suggest to reinstall the nvidia driver (in recovery mode). If that doesn't work, you could uninstall the nvidia driver and reboot. That should then start the nouveau driver and you should at least get a working desktop. Maybe you could also expeiment with the other versions of the nvidia driver, but I have no idea if that would help. Nils From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 23:08:07 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:08:07 -0700 Subject: Getting ready to judge the new wallpapers! Message-ID: Hello folks, our wallpaper competition was a smashing success, with 39 entries! Before they can be judged, however, we need someone to ensure that they are fairly-entered images, and the property of the person who submitted. A reverse-image search should be done, as a first step. Aaron's mom has recently been admitted to the hospital and I've taken on a new job, so we'd welcome some help with this. More about the contest: http://kubuntu.org/news/17-10-wallpaper-contest-call-for-artists/ The submissions: https://www.flickr.com/groups/kubuntu-cws-1710/ Please reply here and join us in #kubuntu-council on freenode if you can help out. Thanks! Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Sat Jun 17 12:59:41 2017 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 13:59:41 +0100 Subject: Can't boot to desktop after upgrade to 17.04 In-Reply-To: <5221590.xYGREr4L17@p5915> References: <13618284.pDsX5xvlJC@rachael> <5221590.xYGREr4L17@p5915> Message-ID: <3001228.4pCrby28XW@rachael> On Friday, 16 June 2017 15:46:19 BST Nils Kassube wrote: > Mark Fraser wrote: > > Upgraded to 17.04 yesterday and since then I have been unable to get > > to the desktop unless I use the recovery mode. > > > > Here is my Xorg.log https://pastebin.com/ehcDGent > > To me the log looks like you have an nvidia graphics card in your > machine and the nvidia driver doesn't want to load correctly. Maybe the > upgrade didn't properly install the nvidia driver. Therefore I would > suggest to reinstall the nvidia driver (in recovery mode). > > If that doesn't work, you could uninstall the nvidia driver and reboot. > That should then start the nouveau driver and you should at least get a > working desktop. Maybe you could also expeiment with the other versions > of the nvidia driver, but I have no idea if that would help. That's what I ended up doing. Seems to be OK now. Just need to fix everything else that seems to have broke in the upgrade now. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Jun 18 05:00:16 2017 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 07:00:16 +0200 Subject: How to check KDE versions Message-ID: Dear all, I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 updates earlier. So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier version you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. Anyone knows how to? Kind regards, Sinclair From post at volker-wysk.de Sun Jun 18 05:51:40 2017 From: post at volker-wysk.de (Volker Wysk) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 07:51:40 +0200 Subject: How to check KDE versions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3251145.HYdrJxSQn2@desktop> Am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2017, 07:00:16 CEST schrieb O. Sinclair: > Dear all, > > I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 > updates earlier. > > So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier version > you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. > > Anyone knows how to? Try "lsb_release -a". Volker From o.sinclair at gmail.com Sun Jun 18 05:58:03 2017 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 07:58:03 +0200 Subject: How to check KDE versions In-Reply-To: <3251145.HYdrJxSQn2@desktop> References: <3251145.HYdrJxSQn2@desktop> Message-ID: On 06/18/17 07:51, Volker Wysk wrote: > Am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2017, 07:00:16 CEST schrieb O. Sinclair: >> Dear all, >> >> I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 >> updates earlier. >> >> So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier version >> you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. >> >> Anyone knows how to? > > Try "lsb_release -a". > > Volker > > Says nothing re your Plasma, libraries etc versions From post at volker-wysk.de Sun Jun 18 06:09:07 2017 From: post at volker-wysk.de (Volker Wysk) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:09:07 +0200 Subject: How to check KDE versions In-Reply-To: References: <3251145.HYdrJxSQn2@desktop> Message-ID: <7237782.2ueyDyAo1g@desktop> Am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2017, 07:58:03 CEST schrieb O. Sinclair: > On 06/18/17 07:51, Volker Wysk wrote: > > Am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2017, 07:00:16 CEST schrieb O. Sinclair: > >> Dear all, > >> > >> I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 > >> updates earlier. > >> > >> So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier version > >> you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. > >> > >> Anyone knows how to? > > > > Try "lsb_release -a". > > > > Volker > > Says nothing re your Plasma, libraries etc versions I don't know how Help -> About could be gone. If you know the package name, you could do "apt-show-versions ". Use "apt-cache search --names-only " to search for package names. Bye V.W. From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Sun Jun 18 17:32:12 2017 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bmarsh) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 13:32:12 -0400 Subject: How to check KDE versions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: cat /etc/issue From: "O. Sinclair" To: Kubuntu user technical support Subject: How to check KDE versions Date: 6/18/17, 1:00 AM Dear all, I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 updates earlier. So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier version you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. Anyone knows how to? Kind regards, Sinclair -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clay at claydoh.com Mon Jun 19 00:56:28 2017 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:56:28 -0400 Subject: How to check KDE versions In-Reply-To: <7237782.2ueyDyAo1g@desktop> References: <7237782.2ueyDyAo1g@desktop> Message-ID: <3046181.Wh1DpQY2Im@jake-latitude-e6420> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:09:07 AM EDT Volker Wysk wrote: > Am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2017, 07:58:03 CEST schrieb O. Sinclair: > > On 06/18/17 07:51, Volker Wysk wrote: > > > Am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2017, 07:00:16 CEST schrieb O. Sinclair: > > >> Dear all, > > >> > > >> I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 > > >> updates earlier. > > >> > > >> So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier > > >> version > > >> you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. > > >> > > >> Anyone knows how to? > > > > > > Try "lsb_release -a". > > > > > > Volker > > > > Says nothing re your Plasma, libraries etc versions > > I don't know how Help -> About could be gone. > > If you know the package name, you could do "apt-show-versions > ". Use "apt-cache search --names-only " to search for > package names. > > Bye > V.W. Kinfocenter will give you lots of info, you should have it installed by default, under Applications >> System >> Info Center -- Clay Weber From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 03:31:09 2017 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 05:31:09 +0200 Subject: How to check KDE versions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/18/17 07:00, O. Sinclair wrote: > Dear all, > > I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 > updates earlier. > > So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier version > you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. > > Anyone knows how to? > > Kind regards, > Sinclair > Thanks all! to me the best solution was to open kicker ALT+F2 and type "about system" kind regards Sinclair From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Mon Jun 19 14:43:43 2017 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan (grokit)) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 10:43:43 -0400 Subject: How to check KDE versions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2763553.7C4SNXrydl@kirk> Type this in a konsole: plasmashell --version On Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:00:16 AM EDT O. Sinclair wrote: > Dear all, > > I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 > updates earlier. > > So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier version > you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. > > Anyone knows how to? > > Kind regards, > Sinclair > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o.sinclair at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 14:55:46 2017 From: o.sinclair at gmail.com (O. Sinclair) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:55:46 +0200 Subject: How to check KDE versions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <611a468d-5c3b-037b-d573-c1008a1e6673@gmail.com> On 06/18/17 07:00, O. Sinclair wrote: > Dear all, > > I am on 16.04 with backports ppa enabled. I hade a huge chunk uf kde5 > updates earlier. > > So I wanted to check what version(s) I am now on. In the earlier version > you would just go "help" and "about" but that seems gone. > > Anyone knows how to? > > Kind regards, > Sinclair > As I may have already posted I got the tip to use ALT+F2 and type "about system" and got all the info I wanted Kind regards, Sinclair From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 13:48:47 2017 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:48:47 +0100 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs Message-ID: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> Recently upgraded to Kubuntu 17.04 and I needed to reformat an SD card, but my password was denied with the message: Permission denied. Possibly incorrect password, please try again. On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) to use this program. It worked if I ran it from the command line with kdesu partitionmanager, so why isn't it liking my password? -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From zekkerj at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 17:27:58 2017 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:27:58 -0300 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> References: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> Message-ID: check that you still part of groups like "disk", "cdrom", and "wheel", "sudo", and "wheel" itself. 2017-06-25 10:48 GMT-03:00 Mark Fraser : > Recently upgraded to Kubuntu 17.04 and I needed to reformat an SD card, > but my > password was denied with the message: > > Permission denied. > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) to use > this > program. > > It worked if I ran it from the command line with kdesu partitionmanager, so > why isn't it liking my password? > > > -- > Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 18:16:53 2017 From: mfraz74+ubuntu at gmail.com (Mark Fraser) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 19:16:53 +0100 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: References: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> Message-ID: <1763705.30pQmoshKT@rachael> On Sunday, 25 June 2017 18:27:58 BST José Queiroz wrote: > 2017-06-25 10:48 GMT-03:00 Mark Fraser : > > Recently upgraded to Kubuntu 17.04 and I needed to reformat an SD card, > > but my password was denied with the message: > > > > Permission denied. > > Possibly incorrect password, please try again. > > On some systems, you need to be in a special group (often: wheel) to use > > this program. > > > > It worked if I ran it from the command, so why isn't it liking my > > password? > > > > check that you still part of groups like "disk", "cdrom", and "wheel", > "sudo", and "wheel" itself. There doesn't seem to be a wheel group in /etc/group and another computer that doesn't have a wheel group is working OK. My groups are: mfraser adm lp dialout cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare. The two programs I have found this with are partitionmanager and kuser. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org From kassube at gmx.net Sun Jun 25 19:10:34 2017 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 21:10:34 +0200 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: References: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> Message-ID: <1836045.W7bUs9tU2K@p5915> José Queiroz wrote: > check that you still part of groups like "disk", "cdrom", and "wheel", > "sudo", and "wheel" itself. You should NOT be a member of group "disk". Otherwise accidentally typing something like echo hello >/dev/sda would make your system unbootable. Nils From zekkerj at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 02:37:04 2017 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:37:04 -0300 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <1836045.W7bUs9tU2K@p5915> References: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> <1836045.W7bUs9tU2K@p5915> Message-ID: Who accidentally does "echo hello > /dev/sda" ??? 2017-06-25 16:10 GMT-03:00 Nils Kassube : > José Queiroz wrote: > > check that you still part of groups like "disk", "cdrom", and "wheel", > > "sudo", and "wheel" itself. > > You should NOT be a member of group "disk". Otherwise accidentally > typing something like > > echo hello >/dev/sda > > would make your system unbootable. > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Mon Jun 26 05:49:45 2017 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:49:45 +0200 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: References: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> <1836045.W7bUs9tU2K@p5915> Message-ID: <6098507.iiqKr5JLho@p5915> José Queiroz wrote: > Who accidentally does "echo hello > /dev/sda" ??? Of course you wouldn't do exactly that, but a typo with another command which has the same effect might happen. That's why an ordinary user shouldn't be in the "disk" group. And as another effect, someone in the group "disk" could circumvent all file system permissions. If you really need raw access to a disk, you should run the command as root. Nils From zekkerj at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 12:49:51 2017 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:49:51 -0300 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <6098507.iiqKr5JLho@p5915> References: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> <1836045.W7bUs9tU2K@p5915> <6098507.iiqKr5JLho@p5915> Message-ID: We're not talking about an ordinary user, as he used "kdesu". He's probably the main user of the system, that normally is the system's administrator. 2017-06-26 2:49 GMT-03:00 Nils Kassube : > José Queiroz wrote: > > Who accidentally does "echo hello > /dev/sda" ??? > > Of course you wouldn't do exactly that, but a typo with another command > which has the same effect might happen. That's why an ordinary user > shouldn't be in the "disk" group. And as another effect, someone in the > group "disk" could circumvent all file system permissions. If you really > need raw access to a disk, you should run the command as root. > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valtermura at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 12:52:31 2017 From: valtermura at gmail.com (Valter Mura) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:52:31 +0200 Subject: Bug in Dolphin with create folder menu option In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi you have to search and, eventually, open a bug in: bugs.kde.org Ciao 2017-04-10 6:36 GMT+02:00 Anton Chernousov : > Hi! > > In the localized version of Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS located strange bug. > Dolphin in create folder mode show two options "Create folder" and > translated create folder "Создать папку". > > Screen-shot link: https://files.help-me-24.com/c > hernousov/blog/images/kubuntu-bugs/create-folder-dolphin-bug.png > > English version menu item on selection crashed Dolphin, but localized > version work fine. How can i fix this? > > --------------------------------- > > With best regards, > Chernousov Anton (http://help-me-24.com) > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -- Valter *Open Source is better!* KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassube at gmx.net Mon Jun 26 13:06:16 2017 From: kassube at gmx.net (Nils Kassube) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:06:16 +0200 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: References: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> <6098507.iiqKr5JLho@p5915> Message-ID: <15780720.DfyIZjZnXJ@p5915> José Queiroz wrote: > We're not talking about an ordinary user, as he used "kdesu". He's > probably the main user of the system, that normally is the system's > administrator. IMHO even the administrator of the machine should only have raw disk access as user root, not as ordinary user. Can you describe a use case where it would be necessary to put the user in the "disk" group? Nils From zekkerj at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 13:55:01 2017 From: zekkerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Queiroz?=) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 10:55:01 -0300 Subject: Can no longer run certain programs In-Reply-To: <15780720.DfyIZjZnXJ@p5915> References: <2472364.mXFpfnlzik@rachael> <6098507.iiqKr5JLho@p5915> <15780720.DfyIZjZnXJ@p5915> Message-ID: That's not the point. I agree with you that is wise and safe restraining access to disk and such operations. But we're missing the point here: the user is complaining that he lost access *he once had*. So, we must seek configurations that may have changed to cause that symptom. Particularly, he was complaining that he once had the ability to *reformat an SD card*, so we may think that he once had raw access to the disk, even as regular user. That should be accomplished by being part of "disk" group --- safe or not. So, a way to recover the former behavior is to restore groups to the same previous level. Its a fix. Not a safe fix, neither a beautiful fix, but it's a fix. Of course, fixing the way he works would be much better; and instructing him to no more try to run low level operations like formatting or partitioning as regular user would be the safer, more correct way. 2017-06-26 10:06 GMT-03:00 Nils Kassube : > José Queiroz wrote: > > We're not talking about an ordinary user, as he used "kdesu". He's > > probably the main user of the system, that normally is the system's > > administrator. > > IMHO even the administrator of the machine should only have raw disk > access as user root, not as ordinary user. Can you describe a use case > where it would be necessary to put the user in the "disk" group? > > > Nils > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Wed Jun 28 06:06:46 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:06:46 -0700 Subject: Call for testing Artful Alpha 1 Message-ID: Hi folks, the images have hit http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds Please help us out by testing and reporting there on the qa tracker. Release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu -- it's a wiki, fixes welcome. All the best, Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 20:33:53 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:33:53 -0700 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test Message-ID: Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu Please report test results here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to support. Is there any reason to keep it? Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Thu Jun 29 20:47:01 2017 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bmarsh) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:47:01 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: Valorie Zimmerman To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion , kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net, Kubuntu user technical support Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test Date: 6/29/17, 4:33 PM Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu Please report test results here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to support. Is there any reason to keep it? I have 1 laptop and 3 servers running i386. And several spares as backup. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at thefletchers.net Thu Jun 29 21:07:05 2017 From: dave at thefletchers.net (David Fletcher) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:07:05 +0100 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1498770425.1829.16.camel@thefletchers.net> On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 13:33 -0700, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I > think > we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no > questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to > support. > > Is there any reason to keep it? > > Valorie I'm running a headless server with 32 bit hardware but nothing 32 bit with a GUI. I guess I could replace the motherboard but it seems like a sinful waste to throw away perfectly good working hardware that continues to do its job perfectly well. Dave F From jl.ffm at gmx.net Thu Jun 29 21:21:22 2017 From: jl.ffm at gmx.net (J. L.) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:21:22 +0200 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89be2ab8-ff4d-a2db-6878-f386f6036491@gmx.net> On 29.06.2017 22:33, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu > > Please report test results here: > http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds > > If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think > we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no > questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to > support. > > Is there any reason to keep it? Hi! If You were only referring to _K_ubuntu (meaning _DESKTOP_-usage) at least for me there is no need for i386 any more; given that 16.04 will be supported till its planned end in 2021. But if we are talking about Ubuntu-(Server) (16.04) this decision to dump i386 would imply quite a lot of very unpleasant decisions and implications as i have more than 15 machines running i386 very well (9 productive, some of them 24/7, 7 backups / reserve). And as long as they are just doing what they ought to at least for me there is absolutely not the slightest need to change a running team! Thanks a lot for Your highly appreciated work!!! :-) From accessys at smart.net Thu Jun 29 21:20:27 2017 From: accessys at smart.net (accessys at smart.net) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: <1498770425.1829.16.camel@thefletchers.net> References: <1498770425.1829.16.camel@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: and there are a LOT of folks that are not able to continually upgrade. 32bit will likely remain for many more years. dropping support is sure fire way to drive folks away from Linux/Kubuntu. Bob On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, David Fletcher wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:07:05 +0100 > From: David Fletcher > To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test > > On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 13:33 -0700, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I >> think >> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >> support. >> >> Is there any reason to keep it? >> >> Valorie > > I'm running a headless server with 32 bit hardware but nothing 32 bit > with a GUI. I guess I could replace the motherboard but it seems like a > sinful waste to throw away perfectly good working hardware that > continues to do its job perfectly well. > > Dave F > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 21:24:17 2017 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:24:17 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <1498770425.1829.16.camel@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: We need people to test 32 bit if we can deliver a stable product. On Jun 29, 2017 5:21 PM, wrote: > > and there are a LOT of folks that are not able to continually upgrade. > > 32bit will likely remain for many more years. dropping support is sure > fire way to drive folks away from Linux/Kubuntu. > > Bob > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, David Fletcher wrote: > > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:07:05 +0100 >> From: David Fletcher >> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test >> >> On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 13:33 -0700, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> >>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I >>> think >>> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >>> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >>> support. >>> >>> Is there any reason to keep it? >>> >>> Valorie >>> >> >> I'm running a headless server with 32 bit hardware but nothing 32 bit >> with a GUI. I guess I could replace the motherboard but it seems like a >> sinful waste to throw away perfectly good working hardware that >> continues to do its job perfectly well. >> >> Dave F >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list >> kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm >> an/listinfo/kubuntu-users >> >> > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm > an/listinfo/kubuntu-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 22:52:35 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:52:35 -0700 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <1498770425.1829.16.camel@thefletchers.net> Message-ID: Amen to what Aaron said. Without testing, we *cannot* keep it, because we can't guarantee a quality project. I personally do not have time to set up 32-bit VMs to do minimum testing. We rely on those who *want* 32-bit to help support it. Naturally, this is only for *Kubuntu*, not Ubuntu server or any other flavor. Some of them still support 32-bit, and some do not. Those who dropped it did so because they did not get good test coverage. Report results here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds Thanks! Valorie On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Aaron Honeycutt wrote: > We need people to test 32 bit if we can deliver a stable product. > > On Jun 29, 2017 5:21 PM, wrote: >> >> >> and there are a LOT of folks that are not able to continually upgrade. >> >> 32bit will likely remain for many more years. dropping support is sure >> fire way to drive folks away from Linux/Kubuntu. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, David Fletcher wrote: >> >>> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:07:05 +0100 >>> From: David Fletcher >>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test >>> >>> On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 13:33 -0700, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>>> >>>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I >>>> think >>>> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >>>> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >>>> support. >>>> >>>> Is there any reason to keep it? >>>> >>>> Valorie >>> >>> >>> I'm running a headless server with 32 bit hardware but nothing 32 bit >>> with a GUI. I guess I could replace the motherboard but it seems like a >>> sinful waste to throw away perfectly good working hardware that >>> continues to do its job perfectly well. >>> >>> Dave F -- http://about.me/valoriez From clay at claydoh.com Fri Jun 30 10:55:42 2017 From: clay at claydoh.com (Clay Weber) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test Message-ID: The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather tiny group. One that is likely shrinking even more. The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu > > Please report test results here: > http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds > > If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think > we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no > questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to > support. > > Is there any reason to keep it? > > Valorie > > -- > http://about.me/valoriez > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users From grokit at ajinfosearch.com Fri Jun 30 21:23:19 2017 From: grokit at ajinfosearch.com (Alan (grokit)) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 17:23:19 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2490210.IYk37WjmKf@kirk> I personally don't use the 32 bit flavor of Kubuntu. LXQT will take care of that soon(?). It is close enough to Kubuntu to run on old, slow hardware. The only machine I use 32 bit anything on is an old netbook. Although Kubuntu ran OK on it Lubuntu runs better. Sad to see the 32 bit version go away but that hardware is going away like DVD players in a desktop. By the way, thanks to everybody who works on Kubuntu. If any of you find yourselves in central New Jersey, shoot me an email and I'll buy you a beer. Alan On Thursday, June 29, 2017 1:33:53 PM EDT Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu > > Please report test results here: > http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds > > If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think > we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no > questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to > support. > > Is there any reason to keep it? > > Valorie > > From valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com Fri Jun 30 21:37:09 2017 From: valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com (Valorie Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:37:09 -0700 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: <15cf90279a0.2795.39673eccfcc33dadb8e27e8dbb60d60d@telesat.com.pl> References: <15cf90173e8.2795.8fd560d1afb2d37781ea580f6bb5abec@irc.pl> <15cf90279a0.2795.39673eccfcc33dadb8e27e8dbb60d60d@telesat.com.pl> Message-ID: Hi folks, we did not get the testing coverage we needed for the Alpha 1, so there is no Alpha 1i386 Kubuntu Artful image. We haven't pulled it entirely however: next month is Alpha 2, and there will again be a chance for those of you who want i386 to be released, to do the testing before the deadline. I agree that the next LTS is will be an important decision point. 18.04 due to be released next April will be an LTS. It will again be in the hands of those in the Kubuntu community who want i386 to be released, to test. Without test coverage, I cannot in good conscience as the Release Manager give the go-ahead to publish. Nor do I have the time to personally do the testing for a build I do not and probably never will use. Kubuntu is produced by the community. None of us are paid; all of us work on a volunteer basis. We rely on the community for testing, for bug reports, for bug triage, for writing, promotion, publicity, for donations -- in short, for everything. If you enjoy using Kubuntu, please consider how you can bump up your contribution a bit, and keep us healthy and growing. Thanks, Valorie Artful Kubuntu Release Manager On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:38 AM, xeros wrote: > I still have 2 32-bit i386 systems running older *ubuntu - one Pentium 4 > desktop with Kubuntu (used mostly by my children) and one very old laptop > with Celeron 366MHz with Xubuntu and LXDE. I don't want to loose support for > them yet. I just miss time for testing all releases. > > Additionally, I have newer, but really low-end 64-bit laptop that has power > management & other drivers problems under any native Linux distros, so I > keep 32-bit Kubuntu & Mint virtualized with Virtualbox seamless desktop on > top of Windows 10, that uses less resources than 64-bit versions. > > Maybe if you really want to drop 32-bit support, could you at least still > keep those builds for LTS releases? > > Regards, > Tom > > > Dnia 30 czerwca 2017 12:56:36 Clay Weber napisał(a): > >> The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response >> here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather tiny >> group. One that is likely shrinking even more. >> >> The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps >> dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, 2017 >> 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >>> >>> Please report test results here: >>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >>> >>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think >>> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >>> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >>> support. >>> >>> Is there any reason to keep it? >>> >>> Valorie From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Jun 30 22:19:41 2017 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bmarsh) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:19:41 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <15cf90173e8.2795.8fd560d1afb2d37781ea580f6bb5abec@irc.pl> <15cf90279a0.2795.39673eccfcc33dadb8e27e8dbb60d60d@telesat.com.pl> Message-ID: Ok, ok.... ya go me. I'll test it as best I can. I personally would love to see the 18.04 LTS as maybe the last 32 bit release with the usual LTS length of support. That should cover things and with such an announcement, people could plan for it. I could buy into that. As it is, we didn't get ANY notice you were thinking of killing 32 bit. From: Valorie Zimmerman To: xeros CC: Kubuntu Developer Discussion , kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net, Kubuntu user technical support , Clay Weber Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test Date: 6/30/17, 5:37 PM Hi folks, we did not get the testing coverage we needed for the Alpha 1, so there is no Alpha 1i386 Kubuntu Artful image. We haven't pulled it entirely however: next month is Alpha 2, and there will again be a chance for those of you who want i386 to be released, to do the testing before the deadline. I agree that the next LTS is will be an important decision point. 18.04 due to be released next April will be an LTS. It will again be in the hands of those in the Kubuntu community who want i386 to be released, to test. Without test coverage, I cannot in good conscience as the Release Manager give the go-ahead to publish. Nor do I have the time to personally do the testing for a build I do not and probably never will use. Kubuntu is produced by the community. None of us are paid; all of us work on a volunteer basis. We rely on the community for testing, for bug reports, for bug triage, for writing, promotion, publicity, for donations -- in short, for everything. If you enjoy using Kubuntu, please consider how you can bump up your contribution a bit, and keep us healthy and growing. Thanks, Valorie Artful Kubuntu Release Manager On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:38 AM, xeros wrote: > I still have 2 32-bit i386 systems running older *ubuntu - one Pentium 4 > desktop with Kubuntu (used mostly by my children) and one very old laptop > with Celeron 366MHz with Xubuntu and LXDE. I don't want to loose support for > them yet. I just miss time for testing all releases. > > Additionally, I have newer, but really low-end 64-bit laptop that has power > management & other drivers problems under any native Linux distros, so I > keep 32-bit Kubuntu & Mint virtualized with Virtualbox seamless desktop on > top of Windows 10, that uses less resources than 64-bit versions. > > Maybe if you really want to drop 32-bit support, could you at least still > keep those builds for LTS releases? > > Regards, > Tom > > > Dnia 30 czerwca 2017 12:56:36 Clay Weber napisał(a): > >> The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response >> here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather tiny >> group. One that is likely shrinking even more. >> >> The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps >> dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, 2017 >> 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >>> >>> Please report test results here: >>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >>> >>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think >>> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >>> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >>> support. >>> >>> Is there any reason to keep it? >>> >>> Valorie -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com Fri Jun 30 22:26:10 2017 From: honeycuttaaron3 at gmail.com (Aaron Honeycutt) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:26:10 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <15cf90173e8.2795.8fd560d1afb2d37781ea580f6bb5abec@irc.pl> <15cf90279a0.2795.39673eccfcc33dadb8e27e8dbb60d60d@telesat.com.pl> Message-ID: Yes this is why Valorie open a discussion about if we should keep it or get rid of it. On Jun 30, 2017 6:20 PM, "Bmarsh" wrote: > > Ok, ok.... ya go me. I'll test it as best I can. I personally would > love to see the 18.04 LTS as maybe the last 32 bit release with the usual > LTS length of support. That should cover things and with such an > announcement, people could plan for it. I could buy into that. > > As it is, we didn't get ANY notice you were thinking of killing 32 bit. > > > > > *From: * Valorie Zimmerman > *To: * xeros > *CC: * Kubuntu Developer Discussion , > kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net, Kubuntu user technical support < > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>, Clay Weber > *Subject: * Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test > *Date: * 6/30/17, 5:37 PM > > Hi folks, we did not get the testing coverage we needed for the Alpha > 1, so there is no Alpha 1i386 Kubuntu Artful image. We haven't pulled > it entirely however: next month is Alpha 2, and there will again be a > chance for those of you who want i386 to be released, to do the > testing before the deadline. > > I agree that the next LTS is will be an important decision point. > 18.04 due to be released next April will be an LTS. It will again be > in the hands of those in the Kubuntu community who want i386 to be > released, to test. Without test coverage, I cannot in good conscience > as the Release Manager give the go-ahead to publish. Nor do I have the > time to personally do the testing for a build I do not and probably > never will use. > > Kubuntu is produced by the community. None of us are paid; all of us > work on a volunteer basis. We rely on the community for testing, for > bug reports, for bug triage, for writing, promotion, publicity, for > donations -- in short, for everything. > > If you enjoy using Kubuntu, please consider how you can bump up your > contribution a bit, and keep us healthy and growing. > > Thanks, > > Valorie > Artful Kubuntu Release Manager > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:38 AM, xeros wrote: > > I still have 2 32-bit i386 systems running older *ubuntu - one Pentium 4 > > desktop with Kubuntu (used mostly by my children) and one very old > laptop > > with Celeron 366MHz with Xubuntu and LXDE. I don't want to loose support > for > > them yet. I just miss time for testing all releases. > > > > Additionally, I have newer, but really low-end 64-bit laptop that has > power > > management & other drivers problems under any native Linux distros, so I > > keep 32-bit Kubuntu & Mint virtualized with Virtualbox seamless desktop > on > > top of Windows 10, that uses less resources than 64-bit versions. > > > > Maybe if you really want to drop 32-bit support, could you at least > still > > keep those builds for LTS releases? > > > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > > > Dnia 30 czerwca 2017 12:56:36 Clay Weber napisał(a): > > > >> The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response > >> here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather > tiny > >> group. One that is likely shrinking even more. > >> > >> The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps > >> dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, > 2017 > >> 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: > >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu > >>> > >>> Please report test results here: > >>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds > >>> > >>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think > >>> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no > >>> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to > >>> support. > >>> > >>> Is there any reason to keep it? > >>> > >>> Valorie > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > > -- > kubuntu-users mailing list > kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmarsh at bmarsh.com Fri Jun 30 22:39:49 2017 From: bmarsh at bmarsh.com (Bmarsh) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:39:49 -0400 Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test In-Reply-To: References: <15cf90173e8.2795.8fd560d1afb2d37781ea580f6bb5abec@irc.pl> <15cf90279a0.2795.39673eccfcc33dadb8e27e8dbb60d60d@telesat.com.pl> Message-ID: Not complaining... just making the case that with some advanced notice, I think most could "buy into a plan" to eliminate 32 bit. From: Aaron Honeycutt To: Kubuntu user technical support , bmarsh at bmarsh.com Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test Date: 6/30/17, 6:26 PM Yes this is why Valorie open a discussion about if we should keep it or get rid of it. On Jun 30, 2017 6:20 PM, "Bmarsh" wrote: Ok, ok.... ya go me. I'll test it as best I can. I personally would love to see the 18.04 LTS as maybe the last 32 bit release with the usual LTS length of support. That should cover things and with such an announcement, people could plan for it. I could buy into that. As it is, we didn't get ANY notice you were thinking of killing 32 bit. From: Valorie Zimmerman To: xeros CC: Kubuntu Developer Discussion , kubuntu-council at lists.launchpad.net, Kubuntu user technical support , Clay Weber Subject: Re: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test Date: 6/30/17, 5:37 PM Hi folks, we did not get the testing coverage we needed for the Alpha 1, so there is no Alpha 1i386 Kubuntu Artful image. We haven't pulled it entirely however: next month is Alpha 2, and there will again be a chance for those of you who want i386 to be released, to do the testing before the deadline. I agree that the next LTS is will be an important decision point. 18.04 due to be released next April will be an LTS. It will again be in the hands of those in the Kubuntu community who want i386 to be released, to test. Without test coverage, I cannot in good conscience as the Release Manager give the go-ahead to publish. Nor do I have the time to personally do the testing for a build I do not and probably never will use. Kubuntu is produced by the community. None of us are paid; all of us work on a volunteer basis. We rely on the community for testing, for bug reports, for bug triage, for writing, promotion, publicity, for donations -- in short, for everything. If you enjoy using Kubuntu, please consider how you can bump up your contribution a bit, and keep us healthy and growing. Thanks, Valorie Artful Kubuntu Release Manager On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:38 AM, xeros wrote: > I still have 2 32-bit i386 systems running older *ubuntu - one Pentium 4 > desktop with Kubuntu (used mostly by my children) and one very old laptop > with Celeron 366MHz with Xubuntu and LXDE. I don't want to loose support for > them yet. I just miss time for testing all releases. > > Additionally, I have newer, but really low-end 64-bit laptop that has power > management & other drivers problems under any native Linux distros, so I > keep 32-bit Kubuntu & Mint virtualized with Virtualbox seamless desktop on > top of Windows 10, that uses less resources than 64-bit versions. > > Maybe if you really want to drop 32-bit support, could you at least still > keep those builds for LTS releases? > > Regards, > Tom > > > Dnia 30 czerwca 2017 12:56:36 Clay Weber napisał(a): > >> The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response >> here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather tiny >> group. One that is likely shrinking even more. >> >> The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps >> dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, 2017 >> 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >>> >>> Please report test results here: >>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >>> >>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think >>> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >>> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >>> support. >>> >>> Is there any reason to keep it? >>> >>> Valorie -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -- kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ftoth at exalondelft.nl Fri Jun 30 23:15:46 2017 From: ftoth at exalondelft.nl (Ferry Toth) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 23:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Shall we drop i386 / 32-bit? If you think no, please test References: Message-ID: Op Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400, schreef Clay Weber: > The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of response > here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather tiny > group. One that is likely shrinking even more. My mother uses i386. But she doesn't read this list. And I doubt she would be able to help testing or write bug reports. She is 76 years old. I don't thing lack of testers or bug reports is a good measure for lack of users. There must be a better way, like counting downloads of a specific package (i386 vs ams64). Don't forget kubuntu is likely to be installed on older machines as a replacement of WinXP and many are i386. > The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps > dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun 29, > 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: >> >> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >> >> Please report test results here: >> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >> >> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I think >> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we get no >> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain to >> support. >> >> Is there any reason to keep it? >> >> Valorie >> >> -- >> http://about.me/valoriez >> >> -- >> kubuntu-users mailing list kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com Modify >> settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users