launchpad-users Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42
ankur agarwal
ankuriec1 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 3 09:06:01 GMT 2008
sir; i didnt get mu ubuntu c.dpls take a serious action about that ..
On 2/29/08, launchpad-users-request at lists.canonical.com <
launchpad-users-request at lists.canonical.com> wrote:
>
> Send launchpad-users mailing list submissions to
> launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> launchpad-users-request at lists.canonical.com
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> launchpad-users-owner at lists.canonical.com
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of launchpad-users digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (Caroline Ford)
> 2. Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
> Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell]) (Neal
> McBurnett)
> 3. Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
> Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell]) (Vid Ayer)
> 4. Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
> Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell]) (Matthew
> East)
> 5. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (Sarah Hobbs)
> 6. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (Jeroen Vermeulen)
> 7. my email ( ?? )
> 8. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (( ``-_-?? ) -- Fernando)
> 9. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (Alex Muntada)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:04:07 +0000
> From: "Caroline Ford" <caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
> To: "Matthew Revell" <matthew.revell at canonical.com>
> Cc: Bruce Cowan <lists at bcowan.fastmail.co.uk>,
> launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com
> Message-ID:
> <cbc01cde0802281104l36f93034n371c2240d1d9a16 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 28/02/2008, Matthew Revell <matthew.revell at canonical.com> wrote:
> > On 21/02/2008, Bruce Cowan <lists at bcowan.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > There seem to be a large number of people sending "I want to stop
> > > getting e-mails" messages. Don't these people realise what they're
> going
> > > to get when they subscribe to this list? It ought to be more clear
> for
> > > them.
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts on how it could be more clear would be greatly
> > appreciated! Perhaps we could have a message saying, "If you subscribe
> > to this list you will receive at least five emails per day."
> >
> > There's a pretty big message on the sign-up page about ShipIt already
> > so we could add it there.
>
> As most have non English names perhaps some overdue localisation would
> help?
>
> Caroline
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:10:28 -0700
> From: Neal McBurnett <neal at bcn.boulder.co.us>
> Subject: Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
> Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell])
> To: Matthew East <mdke at ubuntu.com>
> Cc: launchpad-users <launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com>, HggdH
> <hggdh2 at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <20080228191028.GL1038 at feynman>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 05:59:41PM +0000, Matthew East wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM, HggdH <hggdh2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 12:31 +0000, Matthew Revell wrote:
> > > Matthew, this is exactly my point: if you trust someone to provide the
> > > real name (but (can|elect) not to check it), then there is no real
> need
> > > to ask for a real name. I prefer to be honest also -- and this forced
> me
> > > to withdraw.
> >
> > I sympathise with your problem and agree with your position. However,
> > I have the feeling from your email that you are eliding Canonical with
> > Ubuntu a little too closely - I hope that the inability to participate
> > in the Launchpad beta tester program has not affected your
> > participation in Ubuntu.
> >
> > Don't forget that while funded by the same company, Launchpad is a
> > separate project to Ubuntu and does not have common decision making
> > processes. If a Launchpad policy begins to affect Ubuntu as a project,
> > then of course the two projects will get together and discuss those
> > issues, but it seems to me that this particular issue only affects
> > participation in the Launchpad project. It's not something that the
> > Ubuntu project has a say in.
>
> Yes, Launchad is independent and can set its own processes. I think
> it would get more support if they made more sense, and as I wrote
> before, I think resolving this sort of problem with a federated
> identity scheme would benefit all of us. But hey, I think that about
> a lot of stuff out there I don't agree with, and I'm pretty picky and
> opinionated :-)
>
> But this is also about the Fridge, which is part of Ubuntu, as Vid
> pointed out in this same thread:
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 11:20:15PM -0800, Vid Ayer wrote:
> > I'd like to add my zero paise worth here because I believe a part of
> > this discussion is indirectly related... it started when the fridge
> > editors (I am one) were required to be a part of the LP-beta testers
> > team and I offered to leave the team because I have been rejected from
> > the team for not agreeing to the real name policy. One of the
> > Canonical employees was nice enough to understand my points, take up
> > the issue but was unable to change the real name policy, which I
> > believe is the *best* way to lose technical contributors.
>
> Where does this aspect of the problem stand? Why do the fridge
> editors need to be part of lp-beta? If they do, why does this policy
> affect them?
>
> Neal McBurnett http://mcburnett.org/neal/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:55:38 +0530
> From: "Vid Ayer" <svaksha at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
> Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell])
> To: "Neal McBurnett" <neal at bcn.boulder.co.us>
> Cc: launchpad-users <launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com>, HggdH
> <hggdh2 at gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
> <12470af00802281125t211012a5q416d4743a5edb8c1 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 2/29/08, Neal McBurnett <neal at bcn.boulder.co.us> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 05:59:41PM +0000, Matthew East wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM, HggdH <hggdh2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 12:31 +0000, Matthew Revell wrote:
> > > > Matthew, this is exactly my point: if you trust someone to provide
> the
> > > > real name (but (can|elect) not to check it), then there is no real
> need
> > > > to ask for a real name. I prefer to be honest also -- and this
> forced me
> > > > to withdraw.
> > >
> > > I sympathise with your problem and agree with your position. However,
> > > I have the feeling from your email that you are eliding Canonical with
> > > Ubuntu a little too closely - I hope that the inability to participate
> > > in the Launchpad beta tester program has not affected your
> > > participation in Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > Don't forget that while funded by the same company, Launchpad is a
> > > separate project to Ubuntu and does not have common decision making
> > > processes. If a Launchpad policy begins to affect Ubuntu as a project,
> > > then of course the two projects will get together and discuss those
> > > issues, but it seems to me that this particular issue only affects
> > > participation in the Launchpad project. It's not something that the
> > > Ubuntu project has a say in.
> >
> > Yes, Launchad is independent and can set its own processes. I think
> > it would get more support if they made more sense, and as I wrote
> > before, I think resolving this sort of problem with a federated
> > identity scheme would benefit all of us. But hey, I think that about
> > a lot of stuff out there I don't agree with, and I'm pretty picky and
> > opinionated :-)
> >
> > But this is also about the Fridge, which is part of Ubuntu, as Vid
> > pointed out in this same thread:
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 11:20:15PM -0800, Vid Ayer wrote:
> > > I'd like to add my zero paise worth here because I believe a part of
> > > this discussion is indirectly related... it started when the fridge
> > > editors (I am one) were required to be a part of the LP-beta testers
> > > team and I offered to leave the team because I have been rejected from
> > > the team for not agreeing to the real name policy. One of the
> > > Canonical employees was nice enough to understand my points, take up
> > > the issue but was unable to change the real name policy, which I
> > > believe is the *best* way to lose technical contributors.
> >
> > Where does this aspect of the problem stand? Why do the fridge
> > editors need to be part of lp-beta? If they do, why does this policy
> > affect them?
>
> When I raised this issue in Jan on the fridge-devel list it was
> because our closed list was being moved and we were trying to become
> an open list. It was then that I raised the same concerns that many
> others raised here in the hope of finding a solution, not turn it into
> a witch-hunt and weed out people who dont use a full real name. That's
> kinda sad and in retrospect I wish I had not pointed out the lacunae
> at all.
>
> Vid
> || http://www.svaksha.com ||
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:36:50 +0000
> From: "Matthew East" <mdke at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
> Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell])
> To: "Neal McBurnett" <neal at bcn.boulder.co.us>
> Cc: launchpad-users <launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com>, HggdH
> <hggdh2 at gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
> <3bd91160802281536k27ad00eft7c1a1eb6ca2c9dc at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Neal McBurnett <neal at bcn.boulder.co.us>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 05:59:41PM +0000, Matthew East wrote:
> > > Don't forget that while funded by the same company, Launchpad is a
> > > separate project to Ubuntu and does not have common decision making
> > > processes. If a Launchpad policy begins to affect Ubuntu as a
> project,
> > > then of course the two projects will get together and discuss those
> > > issues, but it seems to me that this particular issue only affects
> > > participation in the Launchpad project. It's not something that the
> > > Ubuntu project has a say in.
> >
> > But this is also about the Fridge, which is part of Ubuntu, as Vid
> > pointed out in this same thread:
>
> {snip}
>
> > Where does this aspect of the problem stand? Why do the fridge
> > editors need to be part of lp-beta? If they do, why does this policy
> > affect them?
>
> Actually, I don't think it's true to say that the fridge editors
> "need" to be part of lp-beta. One of the team members, who also works
> on Launchpad, is trying out the new Launchpad beta mailing list
> function with the fridge team. However, it's not true as far as I know
> that participation in that test is a requirement for fridge editors.
>
> As I say, where Launchpad policies are getting in the way of
> contributing to Ubuntu, they can be (and have in the past been)
> discussed. But I don't think this particular one does affect the
> Ubuntu project, which is why it'd be a shame to lose HggdH from that
> project on the basis of the issue under discussion.
>
> --
> Matthew East
> http://www.mdke.org
> gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:50:57 +1100
> From: Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
> Cc: launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com
> Message-ID: <47C78121.5080202 at ubuntu.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Matthew Revell wrote:
> > On 21/02/2008, Bruce Cowan <lists at bcowan.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> There seem to be a large number of people sending "I want to stop
> >> getting e-mails" messages. Don't these people realise what they're
> going
> >> to get when they subscribe to this list? It ought to be more clear for
> >> them.
> >
> > Any thoughts on how it could be more clear would be greatly
> > appreciated! Perhaps we could have a message saying, "If you subscribe
> > to this list you will receive at least five emails per day."
>
> Why not put in moderation rules, that will hold the postings?
>
> In fact, I'm surprised they are not being caught by the default rules
> (may contain administrivia) - perhaps you need to set this up, in the
> latest mailman?
>
> Hobbsee
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
>
> iD8DBQFHx4Eh7/o1b30rzoURAnIlAJ41ORaR5y96f9sVAW5sDV8FBrwlFgCg6B8e
> 98fE1jcZkzQ2xpdt0U28s7g=
> =9T6n
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:38:50 +0700
> From: Jeroen Vermeulen <jtv at canonical.com>
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
> To: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu at ubuntu.com>
> Cc: Bruce Cowan <lists at bcowan.fastmail.co.uk>,
> launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com
> Message-ID: <47C7B68A.7040903 at canonical.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> > Bruce Cowan wrote:
> >> There seem to be a large number of people sending "I want to stop
> >> getting e-mails" messages. Don't these people realise what they're
> going
> >> to get when they subscribe to this list? It ought to be more clear for
> >> them.
> >
> > I bet they don't when they get a timeout and see this message:
> >
> > """
> > Timeout error
>
> > Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. If it doesn?t, and this
> is
> > blocking your work, let us know on the launchpad-users mailing list
> (requires
> > subscription). Include the error ID OOPS-789EA64 in your message.
> > """
>
> One thing's incongruous about that though: we're getting this wave of
> unwanted subscriptions just when the timeouts have dropped to almost zero.
>
>
>
> Jeroen
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:20:57 +0800
> From: " ?? " <houjmail at gmail.com>
> Subject: my email
> To: launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com
> Message-ID:
> <5e12bfc40802290020v4bab67aal7952ea18de75d30e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> i want to get a ubunta cd,but my gmal cant get the mail from
> https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
>
> --
> this is jee'mail
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/attachments/20080229/324b2134/attachment-0001.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:22:17 +0000
> From: "( ``-_-?? ) -- Fernando" <ubuntu at bugabundo.net>
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
> To: launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com
> Message-ID: <200802282222.38335.Ubuntu at bugabundo.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Thursday 28 February 2008 17:58:19 Martin Pool wrote:
> > 1 - there's now a fairly big item on the front of Launchpad asking
> > people to join the beta team, and _that_ page tells you to join the
> > launchpad-users list, without totally explaining what that means
> > --
> > Martin
>
> Huummm that made me think.
> I suppose LP admin have HTTP logs... so they could see what is leading ppl
> to the ML registration.
> Maybe there is common beginning. Its just a matter of backtracing the
> links.
>
> Can you guys pull it out, and let us know about it?
>
> --
> BUGabundo :o)
> (``-_-??) http://Ubuntu.BUGabundo.net
> Linux user #443786 GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB
> My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net
> ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in
> advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by...
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> Name: not available
> Type: application/pgp-signature
> Size: 189 bytes
> Desc: This is a digitally signed message part.
> Url :
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/attachments/20080228/7b63e2cb/attachment-0001.pgp
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:44:52 +0100
> From: "Alex Muntada" <alexm at alexm.org>
> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
> To: "Jeroen Vermeulen" <jtv at canonical.com>
> Cc: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu at ubuntu.com>,
> launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com, Bruce Cowan
> <lists at bcowan.fastmail.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <35064d940802290144q51b6782cvab5484d9242a7ef5 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> * Jeroen Vermeulen <jtv at canonical.com>:
>
> > One thing's incongruous about that though: we're getting this wave of
> > unwanted subscriptions just when the timeouts have dropped to almost
> zero.
>
> I'm sure that Emilio didn't mean that the problem are the timeouts per se,
> but the message displayed along with the OOPS, being a timeout or anything
> else.
>
> --
> Alex Muntada <alexm at alexm.org>
> http://alexm.org/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> --
> launchpad-users mailing list
> launchpad-users at lists.canonical.com
> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-users
>
>
> End of launchpad-users Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42
> ***********************************************
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/attachments/20080303/ba92f771/attachment-0001.htm
More information about the launchpad-users
mailing list