Subject: Suggestion: clarify on the wiki that Mir/XMir testing might imply some risks.

From: Mario Rugiero <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:12:10 -0300

Hi, my name is Mario Rugiero, I've been following the mail list since one
or two months ago, I think.
As the subject says, I think it would be wise to put a statement about
testing Mir/XMir right now, since Ubuntu is also aimed to common folks that
might not know software in development might contain bugs of varying
severity.
What I thought was just adding on the main Mir page such fact, and pointing
to the bug tracker (I see there is a link on the page, but it only suggests
to file the ones they find, not to check for which bugs are already known)
so novice testers may know which kind of things to expect, and make and
informed decision. Just an idea.

Thanks for your time.
Mario.

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From: Daniel van Vugt <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:16:23 +0800

Mario,

Any documentation which asks you to use any PPA should also come with a 
warning: "This may break your system and you need to be knowledgeable 
enough to fix it if that happens."

Though, Mir no longer requires PPAs.

One could also argue such warnings should be in place for anyone who 
installs a pre-release of Ubuntu. I think it would make sense... We get 
a lot of bugs from people testing pre-release code but don't know how to 
recover from problems when they find them.

Thirdly, yes, if you need to follow any instructions from a Wiki to 
install something then that probably also indicates it's not ready for 
prime time and should have warnings.

I agree we need more warnings, in multiple places.

- Daniel

On 24/08/13 01:12, Mario Rugiero wrote:
> Hi, my name is Mario Rugiero, I've been following the mail list since
> one or two months ago, I think.
> testing Mir/XMir right now, since Ubuntu is also aimed to common folks
> that might not know software in development might contain bugs of
> varying severity.
> What I thought was just adding on the main Mir page such fact, and
> pointing to the bug tracker (I see there is a link on the page, but it
> only suggests to file the ones they find, not to check for which bugs
> are already known) so novice testers may know which kind of things to
> expect, and make and informed decision. Just an idea.
>
> Thanks for your time.
> Mario.
>
>

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From: Kevin Gunn <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 22:24:47 -0500

fwiw, we have tried to do a bit better job of highlighting some of the
known issues.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Installing
br,kg

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Daniel van Vugt <
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> installs a pre-release of Ubuntu. I think it would make sense... We get a
> lot of bugs from people testing pre-release code but don't know how to
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From: Mario Rugiero <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 00:30:12 -0300

I checked before sending the mail. The link you provided is actually more
than enough (of course, provided there is already a warning before
installing pre-releases about knowing how to recover if something goes
wrong), IMO, but when I said wiki I was wrong, I meant this other page
http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/, which was the one I checked.

Thanks and sorry for my confusion.
Mario.

2013/8/24 Kevin Gunn <[email-masked]>