Subject: ppa:mir-team/staging

From: Alan Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:02:06 +0100

Hi,

for some time I've wondered about daily emails telling me that Mir
doesn't build for vivid. And today, in a quite moment, I tracked these
emails to https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging
<https://launchpad.net/%7Emir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging>.

Before I delete it I just want to ask: Is anybody using this PPA?

Regards,
Alan

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From: Alberto Aguirre <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:37:35 -0500

Not me.

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From: Brandon Schaefer <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:42:30 -0700

Hmm not me

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From: Florian Leeber <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:02:42 +0200

Is this a usable backport for mir and vivid? In this case UBports could
be interested to use it...

BR

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From: Alan Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:07:01 +0100

> be interested to use it...

Unfortunately, no. It isn't a backport - the PPA was set up for the
convenience of Unity8 developers that wanted early access to features
under development in Mir. I don't think anyone is still using it for
that purpose.

The "daily builds" have been failing on Vivid since at least February,
(There are probably multiple reasons: tool-chain version, versioned
dependencies, language features, etc.) At the moment this PPA has daily
builds of the latest integrated development branch for the V, W, X, Y
and Z series. These are not gated by any QA process beyond "it's
committed and it builds". As the only series supported by Canonical are
X, Y and Z that seems unnecessary.

If it has a use I can update the PPA etc., but if, as I suspect, it
isn't useful, then I can clear it down.

~~~

For your use of Mir in UB ports, I'm keen to explore ways we can work
together. However, I don't see *this* PPA being useful to you.

IIUC UBports uses updates to Vivid corresponding to the "stable phone
overlay" (or is it still using the overlay PPA?), which is different to
all the Ubuntu series above.

Is "Vivid+Overlay" where you would want to deploy new releases of Mir?
Vivid has long been out of support, so I would expect that to be a
temporary measure and a move planned to 16.04LTS? (Or 18.04LTS?)

For reference:

    Vivid . . . . . . = Mir 0.12
    Vivid overlay = Mir 0.17
    Xenial . . . . . = Mir 0.26
    Zesty . . . . . = Mir 0.26
    This PPA . . . = development (Mir 0.27ish)

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From: Alan Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:41:07 +0100

OK, for the moment I've dropped vivid and yakkety from the recipe and
added artful.

But if nobody speaks up with a case for keeping it I think we should
lose it entirely.

On 20/06/17 18:42, Brandon Schaefer wrote:
> Hmm not me
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Alberto Aguirre
> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
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>     Not me. 
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>     On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Alan Griffiths
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>     <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
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>         Hi,
>
>         emails to
>         https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging
>         <https://launchpad.net/%7Emir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging>
>         <https://launchpad.net/%7Emir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging
>         <https://launchpad.net/%7Emir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging>>.
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From: Florian Leeber <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:55:27 +0200

Hi,

yes we are preparing to move to 16.04 ASAP. So for vivid we will not
need new version of Mir probably :)

I am not on this team though, so I can get you in touch with the right
people if you like. Any advice on what will speedup our transition of
the core OS to 16.04 will be appreciated.

thx Florian

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From: Alan Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:53:42 +0100

> the core OS to 16.04 will be appreciated.

I don't know how much help I can be on that: my focus was elsewhere over
the 16.04 period (mostly the Mir server APIs and window management). But
it would be useful to open some lines of communication as there are
always bits of information that are unexpectedly important.