Subject: Extra question for the FAQ

From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 17:35:02 +0200

Hello Mir Developers,

First off -- I'm sorry to read yesterday's news about Mir+XMir not shipping by 
default, but I hope it offers you some breathing space -- it's been exciting and 
inspirational watching your pace of development!

Anyway, one question not (explicitly) answered in the FAQ you posted here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/13.10/NoDefaultQ%26A

Will those of us with Mir+XMir installed on our 13.10 systems continue to 
receive updates with new/improved functionality as we have been during the 
pre-release period?

The FAQ mentions updates, but it's not clear what these will be, whether they'll 
only address the worst bugs with the distro version of Mir+XMir effectively 
being frozen until 14.04, or whether universe mir/xmir packages will keep 
advancing more strongly.

Thanks again and best wishes,

     -- Joe

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From: Kevin Gunn <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 11:43:46 -0500

Hi Joe -
first thanks for the kind words & willingness to try out Xmir.

As to receiving more updates in 13.10 per se, that is unlikely to happen
since 13.10 is in a freeze state (see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule) and we will be
moving into our development phase for 14.04. And as such, I would envision
many of the fixes we actually have in our hip pocket will be cleaned up and
landed on our 14.04 development releases.

thanks again.
best regards, kg

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hello Mir Developers,
>
> First off -- I'm sorry to read yesterday's news about Mir+XMir not
> shipping by default, but I hope it offers you some breathing space -- it's
> been exciting and inspirational watching your pace of development!
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/**13.10/NoDefaultQ%26A<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/13.10/NoDefaultQ%26A>
>
> The FAQ mentions updates, but it's not clear what these will be, whether
> they'll only address the worst bugs with the distro version of Mir+XMir
> effectively being frozen until 14.04, or whether universe mir/xmir packages
> will keep advancing more strongly.
>
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From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 12:12:33 +0200

Hi Kevin,

> first thanks for the kind words & willingness to try out Xmir.

You're very welcome. :-)

> As to receiving more updates in 13.10 per se, that is unlikely to happen since
> 13.10 is in a freeze state (see
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule) and we will be moving
> into our development phase for 14.04. And as such, I would envision many of the
> fixes we actually have in our hip pocket will be cleaned up and landed on our
> 14.04 development releases.

Thanks for the clarification.  The concern was really about how many of the 
current usability issues would be addressed in 13.10 and what would happen if 
they weren't fixed by final freeze.  But I should add that today's updates fixed 
the really major issue I was having -- this one:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/xmir/+bug/1216472

So I'm now happily using Mir+XMir on my system (ThinkPad T420 with Intel 
graphics, plugged into external monitor/keyboard/mouse) with no obvious 
difference from just X.  I hope that experience is shared by other people.

The only other real usability issue I've been having is this one:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1231857

... but fortunately since 90% of the time I'm using an external monitor, it's 
not too big a deal (although obviously I'd love to see a fix in 13.10:-).

Anyway, thanks again and best wishes for a great Mir/XMir experience in 14.04 :-)

     -- Joe