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[Alexander Jacob Tsykin]

On Wednesday 06 December 2006 15:20, Senectus . wrote:
> > Actually that si axactly what I am saying. How can you describe something
> > you
> > have not experienced? At best you can only describe its effect on others.
> > I
> > don't understand Atheism. I know that it is the belief in the absence of
> > a god, intellectually, however I make no claim to understand it at an
> > emotional
> > level. I certainly want to know what is true, and yet i believe in God.
> > Certainly a belief in God does not connote a lack of curiosity, although
> > I can understand how, as somebody who did not believe in God, Neitzsche
> > made that mistake. He could not possibly know ho wrong he was.
>
> Everyone experiences Faith in some form or another, for instance you take
> it on faith that I'm a real person not a clever script replying to your
> e-mails.
> No offence intended, but it's my considered belief that if you don't
> understand Atheism It's because you haven't thought about about it deeply
> enough.
Not at all. I have a deep seated belief that a God exists. I cannot understand 
any other thinking.
> For me the concept of me believing in a "God" concept is inconceivable.
> I've tried, but I'm quite a logical person and the logic of belief for the
> sake of belief seems like Lunacy to me.
> It con not be proved, Documentation on the subject can not be properly
> verified and many _many_ instances of those that profess to be the most
> serious about it are the ones to commit the greatest atrocities in the name
> of it.
>
> In my view the hypocrisy of nearly all religions is staggering.
>
I would contend that the absence of a God also cannot be proven. The onyl 
truly logical position is one of agnosticism.

As for the hypocricy of many of those who are religious, it is well documented 
and I acknowledge that fact, but to say that that is the nature of religion 
woudl seem bigotted adn misguided to me. The atheist Soviet Union, commited 
much greater crimes than that of any religion, as did Nazi Germany. While it 
cna be contended that both Nazism adn Communism have been turned into 
religions, especially in those countries, the fact is that they denied the 
existance of a God, even attempting to prove that there isn't one.

> Remember also that nothing is black and white.
> Your understanding and knowledge of "faith" is not absolute, nothing is
> absolute. You can't deny FN's opinion as absolutely wrong because you
> Cannot verify yours as absolutely right, and the same in return :-)

I can make the statements that:
a) Neitzsche's understanding of Religion is inconsistent with those who are 
religious. As a result, I feel comfortable in rejecting his opinion.
b) Neitzsche attempted to define faith without understanding it, having never 
truly experienced it. That si in my opinion simply incorrect.

Sasha