Ubuntu is for everyone, not only for newbies (was: Delay auto-updates of software to reduce downtime)

[Shawn McMahon]

On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:12:43PM +1000, Alexander Jacob Tsykin said:
> >
> opposed to essential to newbies. Until edgy, gcc wasn't even included by 
> default! I'm not saying that Ubuntu doesn't appeal to experts, just that it 

Which made it MORE useful for experts, not less.  I'm one of those
"Fortune 500 administrators of thousands of servers" segment of the
market.  If we have to jump through hoops to keep gcc off a server,
we'll be hacked off, because we'll be jumping through that hoop more
often than not.

You want an example?  I've got one project that has about 200
test/development servers, and around 140 production servers.
About half of that is Linux.  You know how many of those servers have
compilers on them?  Ten.  How many of the production servers?  None.

Whether you agree with the security reasons for that decision or not,
the fact is that it's a common one.  My company (the company in the
signature isn't it, that's what I do business under when I'm not working
for a company, and I use it because most companies don't like it when
you express a controversial opinion with their name in the sig) is one
that every single person on this list knows and has done business with,
and we have thousands of Linux servers.  Nearly all of them don't have
compilers installed.  We will continue to deploy them that way, and
distributions that purposefully make that difficult will not be on the
short list.


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