From William.Walker at Sun.COM Tue Aug 1 20:14:22 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:14:22 -0400 Subject: Orca on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20060731110142.67419.qmail@web55702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20060731110142.67419.qmail@web55702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1154463262.6822.14.camel@localhost> Based on reports that Gnopernicus doesn't work either, it appears as though this may be a general platform accessibility problem. I've just finished building GARNOME 2.15.90 and I'm trying to figure out how to use it for my desktop on Ubuntu so I can do general a11y testing across the board for GNOME 2.15/2.16. Anybody with any experience with GARNOME on Ubuntu have any tips? Will On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 04:01 -0700, ZB wrote: > Hi Jason and Al, > > Have either of you tried using Linux Screen Reader on > Ubuntu? Does it run into the same problems as Orca? > This would be useful to know so the problem can be > tracked to platform accessibility or to Orca. > > There are Ubuntu debs and instructions for installing > available on the Linux SR homepage. > http://live.gnome.org/LSR > > Zeke > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From William.Walker at Sun.COM Tue Aug 1 22:04:39 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:04:39 -0400 Subject: Orca on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1154463262.6822.14.camel@localhost> References: <20060731110142.67419.qmail@web55702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1154463262.6822.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1154469880.6822.24.camel@localhost> PS - Please note that the problems referred to here are for the latest bleeding edge GNOME 2.15 code on Ubuntu Edgy. People are not reporting accessibility regressions with GNOME 2.14 on Ubuntu 6.06. Will On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 16:14 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Based on reports that Gnopernicus doesn't work either, it appears as > though this may be a general platform accessibility problem. > > I've just finished building GARNOME 2.15.90 and I'm trying to figure out > how to use it for my desktop on Ubuntu so I can do general a11y testing > across the board for GNOME 2.15/2.16. > > Anybody with any experience with GARNOME on Ubuntu have any tips? > > Will > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 04:01 -0700, ZB wrote: > > Hi Jason and Al, > > > > Have either of you tried using Linux Screen Reader on > > Ubuntu? Does it run into the same problems as Orca? > > This would be useful to know so the problem can be > > tracked to platform accessibility or to Orca. > > > > There are Ubuntu debs and instructions for installing > > available on the Linux SR homepage. > > http://live.gnome.org/LSR > > > > Zeke > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From hunkadoodledoo at juno.com Wed Aug 2 01:12:53 2006 From: hunkadoodledoo at juno.com (Josh Faulkner) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 01:12:53 -0000 Subject: [Bug 42308] Re: On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails References: <20060501044731.16739.33418.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802011253.5063.85965.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Okay. Here is my experience with this bug: josh at dell:~$ gok --sync GTK Accessibility Module initialized /dev/js0: No such file or directory The program 'gok' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device'. (Details: serial 238 error_code 169 request_code 147 minor_code 3) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) application finalize called What you might need to know is that I also use the IOGear MiniView Micro 2-port KVM switch with built in cables. I have a feeling that might be the problem. Please let me know if you need any more information! Thanks! Best of luck! -- On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails https://launchpad.net/bugs/42308 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 2 07:45:12 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:45:12 -0000 Subject: [Bug 40174] Re: Serious Memory Leak References: <20060419142510.21557.59780.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802074512.13410.94889.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Bug 40245 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- Serious Memory Leak https://launchpad.net/bugs/40174 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 2 07:45:12 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:45:12 -0000 Subject: [Bug 40245] Re: CPU usage of "idle" brltty is too high References: <20060419223312.8468.21833.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802074512.13410.47256.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 40174 *** ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 40174 Serious Memory Leak -- CPU usage of "idle" brltty is too high https://launchpad.net/bugs/40245 From dean at deansas.org Wed Aug 2 09:25:02 2006 From: dean at deansas.org (Dean Sas) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:25:02 -0000 Subject: [Bug 37603] Re: Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits References: <20060401160516.5415.73320.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802092502.13410.5829.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> bug #37834 touches on this too. -- Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits https://launchpad.net/bugs/37603 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 2 11:11:06 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:11:06 -0000 Subject: [Bug 37270] Re: The test-speech tool is not included with gnome-speech References: <20060330015553.6253.11349.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802111107.13364.52912.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> This is fixed now. ** Changed in: gnome-speech (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress => Fix Released -- The test-speech tool is not included with gnome-speech https://launchpad.net/bugs/37270 From henrik at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 2 12:54:27 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:54:27 -0000 Subject: [Bug 42308] Re: On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails References: <20060501044731.16739.33418.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802125428.13410.84172.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Hi, I believe that error is described (and solved) here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186890&highlight=gok Please also try SOK, which will be the default in Ubuntu 6.10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Projects/SOK - Henrik -- On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails https://launchpad.net/bugs/42308 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 2 13:55:07 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:55:07 -0000 Subject: [Bug 54936] UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. References: <20060802135507.5063.69658.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802135507.5063.69658.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: This update is highly recommended for several reasons: * It brings in stability fixes for 0.6 * Python bindings are added, which can be used by other packages such as gnome-orca. * Some additions have been made for Ubuntu, as this package is needed by both the Speakup Inclusion, and the Spoken Boot specs. NOTE: This is a combined UVF/Merge debdiff. Also attached are the ChangeLog from 0.6 to 0.6.1, a diffstat between the current version in edgy and 0.6.1-2ubuntu1, and a build log from pbuilder on i386. ** Affects: speech-dispatcher (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Assignee: MOTU UVF Team Status: Unconfirmed -- UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 2 13:56:50 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:56:50 -0000 Subject: [Bug 54936] Re: UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. References: <20060802135507.5063.69658.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802135650.13364.61973.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> -- UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 2 13:57:14 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:57:14 -0000 Subject: [Bug 54936] Re: UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. References: <20060802135507.5063.69658.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802135714.5107.60886.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> -- UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 2 13:58:00 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:58:00 -0000 Subject: [Bug 54936] Re: UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. References: <20060802135507.5063.69658.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802135800.5063.81142.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> -- UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 2 13:59:01 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:59:01 -0000 Subject: [Bug 54936] Re: UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. References: <20060802135507.5063.69658.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802135901.5107.29757.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: speech-dispatcher (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => MOTU UVF Team -- UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 2 14:23:36 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:23:36 -0000 Subject: [Bug 54936] Re: UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. References: <20060802135507.5063.69658.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802142336.5063.3912.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Updated debdiff, fixing a typo. -- UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 2 15:22:11 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:22:11 -0000 Subject: [Bug 54936] Re: UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. References: <20060802135507.5063.69658.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802152211.13410.37738.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> A UVF exception is not necessary yet, we're not in freeze yet. Thanks for your work on it. ** Changed in: speech-dispatcher (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected -- UVF Request: Update to 0.6.1. https://launchpad.net/bugs/54936 From hunkadoodledoo at juno.com Thu Aug 3 03:16:51 2006 From: hunkadoodledoo at juno.com (Josh Faulkner) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:16:51 -0000 Subject: [Bug 42308] Re: [Bug 42308] Re: On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails References: <20060501044731.16739.33418.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802.201711.10883.589369@webmail28.lax.untd.com> Thanks bunches! -- On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails https://launchpad.net/bugs/42308 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 3 09:51:51 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:51:51 -0000 Subject: [Bug 42308] Re: On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails References: <20060501044731.16739.33418.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060803095151.13364.56690.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> I suggest finding out which X bug this is a duplicate of - I'm sure it is. -- On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails https://launchpad.net/bugs/42308 From henrik at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 3 10:52:52 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:52:52 +0100 Subject: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. In-Reply-To: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > I'm running Edgy with Gnome 2.15, and am experiencing major weirdness in > terms of accessibility when attempting to use it with Orca. > > Some of the issues I've noticed are as follows: > > 1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one account, > a freenode irc account. But now, after doing that, I can never seem to > bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for whatever reason, it > doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order. > 2. Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal. Orca tracks live > events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all over the > place. The read current line command seems to start at the top of the > window, rather than at the last location of the cursor. Another oddity is > that not all of the window is accessible via flat review. in other words, > if my screen fills up with data, flat review stops before actually reaching > the last line on the screen. > 3. Open office writer is completely inaccessible. Orca won't even read the > menu bar or the help dialog. If I attempt flat review, all I get is > "panel". > Can anyone else confirm some or all of these issues? > I've done some basic testing (note: I'm not very familiar with screen reading, and how it should ideally work, though). Some general observations: Gaim (v2, beta3) seems to have some odd focus issues generally. I had to hover the mouse over the window to get it to accept text for a while, but then it got better (?) I can confirm that OOo doesn't speak at all other than giving me the window frame name. I've tested both 2.0.2 and the very recent 2.0.3, with the same result. The OOo package you tested (I guess) was just the dapper package carried over, which works OK on dapper. So that points to Gnome 2.15, as you say. Have anyone tested Gnome 2.15 for AT support on another distro? - Henrik From joanmarie.diggs at carroll.org Wed Aug 2 19:52:38 2006 From: joanmarie.diggs at carroll.org (Joanie) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:52:38 -0000 Subject: [Bug 54975] Aplay terminates Fonix DECtalk, sometimes Orca References: <20060802195238.13410.99041.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060802195238.13410.99041.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: If Orca is running using Fonix DECtalk, and aplay plays two sounds, speech stops. Sometimes Orca terminates. Steps to reproduce: 1. Launch Orca from GNOME terminal 2. In a different terminal window execute aplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav 3. Repeat step 2 Actual results: The first time, the sound is played; the second time it's played but Orca stops speaking. Expected results: The sound would be played and Orca would continue to speak. Does this happen every time? Yes Other information: While I can reproduce this 100% of the time, it seems to be the result of a very specific combination: 1. I can only reproduce it on my laptop which has the following: Ubuntu 6.06, current (as of this moment) Orca from CVS ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller I cannot reproduce this problem on either of my desktop computers (each of which has a dedicated sound card rather than onboard sound) 2. It only occurs with Fonix DECtalk; not festival Sometimes I get the following output from Orca: --- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 688, in __speak return speaker.say(text) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 95, i n say return self.gnome_speaker.say(text) COMM_FAILURE Restarting speech... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 688, in __speak return speaker.say(text) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 95, i n say return self.gnome_speaker.say(text) COMM_FAILURE Restarting speech... Something looks wrong with speech. Aborting. --- I had originally filed this at GNOME: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349571 It was closed out as not GNOME. ** Affects: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Aplay terminates Fonix DECtalk, sometimes Orca https://launchpad.net/bugs/54975 From henrik at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 3 13:43:51 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:43:51 +0100 Subject: Bleeding edge testing project Message-ID: <44D1FD97.1020001@ubuntu.com> I've set up a testing project for fresh Ubuntu applications here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Testing/FreshApps . The idea is to get some basic testing done on the cool new applications of tomorrow while they are still at an early stage in their development cycle. By giving this topic some attention now and making the development teams aware of the access issues we can hopefully get accessibility on their roadmap for v1.0, and not deferred to v2.0 as is often the case (or v3.0 with Firefox). If you want to do some basic testing of the latest app, pick one from the list, or add your own favourite app! - Henrik From mail at carthik.net Thu Aug 3 22:40:35 2006 From: mail at carthik.net (Carthik Sharma) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:40:35 -0000 Subject: [Bug 50732] Re: Abort (core dump) when deleting dialog References: <20060622233529.29464.22323.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060803224035.9345.29418.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Rejecting based on recommendation of reporter. Thank you for the feedback. Please reopen this bug if you can reproduce the problem, and/or you think I closed this in error. ** Changed in: gail (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Rejected -- Abort (core dump) when deleting dialog https://launchpad.net/bugs/50732 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Fri Aug 4 15:33:47 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:33:47 -0000 Subject: [Bug 36418] Re: a11y theming bugs References: <20060324132742.6253.21366.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060804153348.9163.41299.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> I forwarded the issue to http://issues.workrave.org/cgi- bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=545 ** Bug watch added: Workrave Bugzilla #545 http://issues.workrave.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=545 ** Also affects: workrave (upstream) via http://issues.workrave.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=545 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: workrave (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Needs Info => Confirmed -- a11y theming bugs https://launchpad.net/bugs/36418 From William.Walker at Sun.COM Fri Aug 4 15:44:17 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:44:17 -0400 Subject: [Bug 54975] Aplay terminates Fonix DECtalk, sometimes Orca In-Reply-To: <20060802195238.13410.99041.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> References: <20060802195238.13410.99041.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060802195238.13410.99041.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1154706258.12118.97.camel@localhost> Just to add to this - Orca has some defense mechanisms built into it that attempt to detect if the services is depends upon have gone awry. When it detects a hang in an external service or repeated failures when attempting to talk to these services, Orca will quit. This allows an external watchdog or other such thing to clean up and restart Orca. What I see from the below is that there is a bad interaction with DECtalk and the audio system, which looks like it maybe causing DECtalk to crash. Will On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 19:52 +0000, Joanie wrote: > Public bug reported: > > If Orca is running using Fonix DECtalk, and aplay plays two sounds, speech > stops. Sometimes Orca terminates. > > Steps to reproduce: > 1. Launch Orca from GNOME terminal > 2. In a different terminal window execute aplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav > 3. Repeat step 2 > > Actual results: > The first time, the sound is played; the second time it's played but Orca stops > speaking. > > Expected results: > The sound would be played and Orca would continue to speak. > > Does this happen every time? > Yes > > Other information: > While I can reproduce this 100% of the time, it seems to be the result of a > very specific combination: > > 1. I can only reproduce it on my laptop which has the following: > Ubuntu 6.06, current (as of this moment) Orca from CVS > ATI Technologies Inc > IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller > > I cannot reproduce this problem on either of my desktop computers (each of > which has a dedicated sound card rather than onboard sound) > > 2. It only occurs with Fonix DECtalk; not festival > > Sometimes I get the following output from Orca: > > --- > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 688, > in __speak > return speaker.say(text) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 95, > i n say > return self.gnome_speaker.say(text) > COMM_FAILURE > > Restarting speech... > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 688, > in __speak > return speaker.say(text) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 95, > i n say > return self.gnome_speaker.say(text) > COMM_FAILURE > > Restarting speech... > Something looks wrong with speech. Aborting. > > --- > > I had originally filed this at GNOME: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349571 > > It was closed out as not GNOME. > > ** Affects: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) > Importance: Untriaged > Status: Unconfirmed > > -- > Aplay terminates Fonix DECtalk, sometimes Orca > https://launchpad.net/bugs/54975 > From themuso at themuso.com Sat Aug 5 04:27:33 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 04:27:33 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55266] Please sponsor lsr upload References: <20060805042733.38202B60041@vscan03.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20060805042733.38202B60041@vscan03.westnet.com.au> Public bug reported: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 affects distros/ubuntu/lsr subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors diff -u lsr-0.2.1/debian/changelog lsr-0.2.1/debian/changelog - --- lsr-0.2.1/debian/changelog +++ lsr-0.2.1/debian/changelog @@ -1,3 +1,9 @@ +lsr (0.2.1-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low + + * Update to comply with latest python policy. + + -- Luke Yelavich Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:05:42 +1000 + lsr (0.2.1-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low * Initial release. diff -u lsr-0.2.1/debian/rules lsr-0.2.1/debian/rules - --- lsr-0.2.1/debian/rules +++ lsr-0.2.1/debian/rules @@ -78,10 +78,11 @@ dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog dh_installdocs dh_installexamples - -# dh_installman dh_compress dh_fixperms + dh_pysupport dh_python + rm -r $(CURDIR)/debian/lsr/usr/lib dh_installdeb dh_gencontrol dh_md5sums diff -u lsr-0.2.1/debian/control lsr-0.2.1/debian/control - --- lsr-0.2.1/debian/control +++ lsr-0.2.1/debian/control @@ -2,12 +2,13 @@ Section: gnome Priority: optional Maintainer: Luke Yelavich - -Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.0), festival-dev, python-dev (>= 2.4), python-pyorbit-dev (>= 2.0), libglib2.0-dev, libbonobo2-dev, python-gtk2-dev, python-gnome2-dev, autotools-dev +Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.0), festival-dev, python-dev (>= 2.4), python-pyorbit-dev (>= 2.0), libglib2.0-dev, libbonobo2-dev, python-gtk2-dev, python-gnome2-dev, autotools-dev, python-support (>= 0.3) Standards-Version: 3.7.2 Package: lsr Architecture: all Depends: ${python:Depends}, libgnome-speech3 +XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions} Description: The Linux Screen Reader for GNOME Linux Screen Reader (LSR) is an extensible assistive technology for people with disabilities. The design philosophy behind LSR is to provide a core platform only in patch2: unchanged: - --- lsr-0.2.1.orig/debian/pycompat +++ lsr-0.2.1/debian/pycompat @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +2 only in patch2: unchanged: - --- lsr-0.2.1.orig/debian/pyversions +++ lsr-0.2.1/debian/pyversions @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +2.4- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE1B5IjVefwtBjIM4RAtXeAJ90cpyn77wANxLlUW6mA2wkOec+BgCgj2Ld f2GPD6BtjS0ImElsW5zvj+s= =6yjb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ** Affects: lsr (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Please sponsor lsr upload https://launchpad.net/bugs/55266 From themuso at themuso.com Sat Aug 5 06:08:13 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:08:13 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55266] Re: Please sponsor lsr upload References: <20060805042733.38202B60041@vscan03.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20060805060814.9163.35667.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Changed package to use pycentral. Debdiff attached. -- Please sponsor lsr upload https://launchpad.net/bugs/55266 From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu Sat Aug 5 06:17:53 2006 From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (Daniel T Chen) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:17:53 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55266] Re: Please sponsor lsr upload References: <20060805042733.38202B60041@vscan03.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20060805061753.9345.4705.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:05:42 +1000 Source: lsr Binary: lsr Architecture: source Version: 0.2.1-0ubuntu2 Distribution: edgy Urgency: low Maintainer: Luke Yelavich Changed-By: Luke Yelavich Description: lsr - The Linux Screen Reader for GNOME Changes: lsr (0.2.1-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low . * Update to comply with latest python policy. Files: e109f03ca5913971ba0de1a1539a298c 764 gnome optional lsr_0.2.1-0ubuntu2.dsc ecd595bcd1ea65dcd46aa7c6425da886 6518 gnome optional lsr_0.2.1-0ubuntu2.diff.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE1Dbge9GwFciKvaMRAnMFAKDE9fQOFRwkr5TNTteUWYS9MyvGKACgoq1C RXXHgVsTicFaSQDNku395hk= =+Ccn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ** Changed in: lsr (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Released -- Please sponsor lsr upload https://launchpad.net/bugs/55266 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Sat Aug 5 07:05:55 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:05:55 -0000 Subject: [Bug 36418] Re: a11y theming bugs References: <20060324132742.6253.21366.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060805070558.17466.36877.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: workrave (upstream) Status: Unknown => Confirmed -- a11y theming bugs https://launchpad.net/bugs/36418 From alpuzz at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 16:16:59 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:16:59 -0400 Subject: How to add admin commands to root's menu? Message-ID: <000601c6b8aa$94d891d0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, Until we resolve this at-spi accessibility issue to admin tools, I have enabled my root account in Dapper, and would like to make all relevant commands visible in Root's admin menu; However, I am unclear as to how this is done. According to Alacarte, admin commands such as synaptic are already visible; but for whatever reason, they don't show up for root. I understand that things were set up this way for purposes of security, but as a matter of convenience, I would really like to undo it, at least for the time being. Any info as to how would be much appreciated. Thanks, --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seb128 at ubuntu.com Sun Aug 6 12:16:57 2006 From: seb128 at ubuntu.com (Sebastien Bacher) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 12:16:57 -0000 Subject: [Bug 50732] Re: Abort (core dump) when deleting dialog References: <20060622233529.29464.22323.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060806121657.9299.21387.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> the backtrace is similar to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339231 upstream -- Abort (core dump) when deleting dialog https://launchpad.net/bugs/50732 From William.Walker at Sun.COM Mon Aug 7 16:06:16 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:06:16 -0400 Subject: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. In-Reply-To: <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> Hi All: I was finally able to do some testing with this. I'll confirm that none of these are Orca bugs. We do care, however, about the overall accessibility of the platform. So, we'll dig into these problems more and follow up with the appropriate teams. > > 1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one account, > > a freenode irc account. But now, after doing that, I can never seem to > > bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for whatever reason, it > > doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order. My experiences show that GAIM will come up without the buddy list and you need to press the gaim icon in the panel to show it. I've tried various ways to get to the icon from the keyboard, but I cannot seem to do so (BAD for people who cannot use the mouse). So...I resorted to clicking on it, which brings up a menu allowing me to show the buddy list. Once I was able to make the buddy list visible, I found that Orca seemed to do just fine with it. Note that this seems to be only with GAIM 2.0.0beta versus GAIM 1.5.1. > > 2. Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal. Orca tracks live > > events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all over the > > place. The read current line command seems to start at the top of the > > window, rather than at the last location of the cursor. Another oddity is > > that not all of the window is accessible via flat review. in other words, > > if my screen fills up with data, flat review stops before actually reaching > > the last line on the screen. I found that something broke with gnome-terminal's implementation of getTextAtOffset: it's giving us very wrong and very incorrect values for GNOME 2.15.90 versus GNOME 2.14. As such, it's difficult to know where text is on the screen as well as getting the text for the line where the cursor is. We will dig into this more this week and file a bug with the appropriate component (gnome-terminal, vte, ...) when we learn more. > > 3. Open office writer is completely inaccessible. Orca won't even read the > > menu bar or the help dialog. If I attempt flat review, all I get is > > "panel". I dug into this some more, and there appears to be some binary incompatibility between the AT-SPI implementation used by OOo and what is in GNOME 2.15.90. We've brought this to the OOo team's attention and will be following up more with them this week. Note that this may or may not be an OOo problem (e.g., it could be an inadvertent AT-SPI incompatibility). Thanks! Will From Calum.Benson at Sun.COM Mon Aug 7 19:40:33 2006 From: Calum.Benson at Sun.COM (Calum Benson) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:40:33 +0100 Subject: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. In-Reply-To: <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3035E485-C696-466F-9DD9-0D8E5520C60B@sun.com> On 7 Aug 2006, at 17:06, Willie Walker wrote: > My experiences show that GAIM will come up without the buddy list and > you need to press the gaim icon in the panel to show it. I've tried > various ways to get to the icon from the keyboard, but I cannot > seem to > do so (BAD for people who cannot use the mouse). A long-standing bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103223 Do you have GAIM set up to start up in Away mode, by any chance? That will cause GAIM to start with the buddy list hidden IIRC. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson at sun.com Java Desktop System Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From alpuzz at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 17:30:02 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:30:02 -0400 Subject: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <002101c6bb10$4863aac0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, A few interesting findings: The below tests were conducted on An Edgy system with latest updates as of Tuesday August eight: 1. I downgraded gnome terminal, by building and installing gnome-terminal-2.14.2.tar.gz, as well as vte-0.12.1.tar.gz. After downgrading both of these packages, I still experienced the focus issues as previously described. 2. I rebuilt gaim using a tar ball of the gaim 2.0.0beta3 sources as downloaded from source forge about two weeks ago. This particular instance of gaim worked under Dapper, and interestingly, when I built it under edgy, it resolved the buddy list focus issue. Edgy is purportedly shipping the same version of gaim but for whatever reason, the problem occurs with the version that's bundled, and goes away if I rebuild from the source tar ball. --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" Cc: "Al Puzzuoli" ; "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" ; "Gnome accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. > Hi All: > > I was finally able to do some testing with this. I'll confirm that none > of these are Orca bugs. We do care, however, about the overall > accessibility of the platform. So, we'll dig into these problems more > and follow up with the appropriate teams. > >> > 1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one >> > account, >> > a freenode irc account. But now, after doing that, I can never seem to >> > bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for whatever reason, >> > it >> > doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order. > > My experiences show that GAIM will come up without the buddy list and > you need to press the gaim icon in the panel to show it. I've tried > various ways to get to the icon from the keyboard, but I cannot seem to > do so (BAD for people who cannot use the mouse). So...I resorted to > clicking on it, which brings up a menu allowing me to show the buddy > list. > > Once I was able to make the buddy list visible, I found that Orca seemed > to do just fine with it. > > Note that this seems to be only with GAIM 2.0.0beta versus GAIM 1.5.1. > >> > 2. Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal. Orca tracks >> > live >> > events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all over >> > the >> > place. The read current line command seems to start at the top of the >> > window, rather than at the last location of the cursor. Another oddity >> > is >> > that not all of the window is accessible via flat review. in other >> > words, >> > if my screen fills up with data, flat review stops before actually >> > reaching >> > the last line on the screen. > > I found that something broke with gnome-terminal's implementation of > getTextAtOffset: it's giving us very wrong and very incorrect values for > GNOME 2.15.90 versus GNOME 2.14. As such, it's difficult to know where > text is on the screen as well as getting the text for the line where the > cursor is. We will dig into this more this week and file a bug with the > appropriate component (gnome-terminal, vte, ...) when we learn more. > >> > 3. Open office writer is completely inaccessible. Orca won't even >> > read the >> > menu bar or the help dialog. If I attempt flat review, all I get is >> > "panel". > > I dug into this some more, and there appears to be some binary > incompatibility between the AT-SPI implementation used by OOo and what > is in GNOME 2.15.90. We've brought this to the OOo team's attention and > will be following up more with them this week. Note that this may or > may not be an OOo problem (e.g., it could be an inadvertent AT-SPI > incompatibility). > > Thanks! > > Will > > From alpuzz at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 02:00:15 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:00:15 -0400 Subject: Gedit focus issue (was, Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.) References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <011e01c6bb57$8f8cdc40$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, I've come across another weird focus issue which hopefully, can serve as another piece of the puzzle if nothing else. This again, is on my Edgy system running the latest updates as of the evening of Tuesday august 8. To reproduce, try the following: 1. Open any document in gedit, and attempt to navigate said document using the arrow keys. Doing so should work just fine. 2. Now, maximize the gedit window using alt-space x, or via the menu bar, and then Arrow around the document once more. On my system, as soon as I maximize the window, Orca no longer seems to be able to track the caret. --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" Cc: "Al Puzzuoli" ; "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" ; "Gnome accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. > Hi All: > > I was finally able to do some testing with this. I'll confirm that none > of these are Orca bugs. We do care, however, about the overall > accessibility of the platform. So, we'll dig into these problems more > and follow up with the appropriate teams. > >> > 1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one >> > account, >> > a freenode irc account. But now, after doing that, I can never seem to >> > bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for whatever reason, >> > it >> > doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order. > > My experiences show that GAIM will come up without the buddy list and > you need to press the gaim icon in the panel to show it. I've tried > various ways to get to the icon from the keyboard, but I cannot seem to > do so (BAD for people who cannot use the mouse). So...I resorted to > clicking on it, which brings up a menu allowing me to show the buddy > list. > > Once I was able to make the buddy list visible, I found that Orca seemed > to do just fine with it. > > Note that this seems to be only with GAIM 2.0.0beta versus GAIM 1.5.1. > >> > 2. Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal. Orca tracks >> > live >> > events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all over >> > the >> > place. The read current line command seems to start at the top of the >> > window, rather than at the last location of the cursor. Another oddity >> > is >> > that not all of the window is accessible via flat review. in other >> > words, >> > if my screen fills up with data, flat review stops before actually >> > reaching >> > the last line on the screen. > > I found that something broke with gnome-terminal's implementation of > getTextAtOffset: it's giving us very wrong and very incorrect values for > GNOME 2.15.90 versus GNOME 2.14. As such, it's difficult to know where > text is on the screen as well as getting the text for the line where the > cursor is. We will dig into this more this week and file a bug with the > appropriate component (gnome-terminal, vte, ...) when we learn more. > >> > 3. Open office writer is completely inaccessible. Orca won't even >> > read the >> > menu bar or the help dialog. If I attempt flat review, all I get is >> > "panel". > > I dug into this some more, and there appears to be some binary > incompatibility between the AT-SPI implementation used by OOo and what > is in GNOME 2.15.90. We've brought this to the OOo team's attention and > will be following up more with them this week. Note that this may or > may not be an OOo problem (e.g., it could be an inadvertent AT-SPI > incompatibility). > > Thanks! > > Will > > From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 9 11:22:23 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:22:23 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55773] Request for upload for package update. References: <20060809112223.20119.24889.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060809112223.20119.24889.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Request for review/upload of this package update. Thanks. ** Affects: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Request for upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/55773 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 9 11:23:01 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:23:01 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55773] Re: Request for upload for package update. References: <20060809112223.20119.24889.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060809112301.7600.73351.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Debdiff -- Request for upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/55773 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 9 11:19:00 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:19:00 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55771] Request sponsor for package upload. References: <20060809111900.20119.59433.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060809111900.20119.59433.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Request for review/upload of this package update please. Thanks. ** Affects: espeak (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Request sponsor for package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/55771 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 9 11:20:06 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:20:06 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55771] Re: Request sponsor for package upload. References: <20060809111900.20119.59433.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060809112006.20172.25759.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Debdiff -- Request sponsor for package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/55771 From gauvainpocentek at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 12:31:44 2006 From: gauvainpocentek at gmail.com (Gauvain Pocentek) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:31:44 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55771] Re: Request sponsor for package upload. References: <20060809111900.20119.59433.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060809123144.7600.66615.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> New package uploaded. Thanks! ** Changed in: espeak (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Released -- Request sponsor for package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/55771 From gauvainpocentek at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 12:32:10 2006 From: gauvainpocentek at gmail.com (Gauvain Pocentek) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:32:10 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55773] Re: Request for upload for package update. References: <20060809112223.20119.24889.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060809123210.7656.56372.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Debdiff applied. Thanks Luke. ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Released -- Request for upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/55773 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 9 13:09:30 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:09:30 +1000 Subject: New orca and LSR packages in Ubuntu edgy. Message-ID: <20060809130929.GA27086@themuso.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all For those of you who are tracking orca and LSR in Ubuntu edgy, please note a couple of things. * You might find that LSR doesn't properly install for you. THis is a bug in a package that LSR depends on, and should be fixed soon. * Both orca and LSR have had radicle changes made to them, to comply with the new Ubuntu and Debian python policy. If you have any custom scripts for either LSR or orca, you need to move these scripts to these new base locations for package python files. Orca: /usr/share/python-support/gnome-orca/orca/ LSR: /usr/share/pycentral/lsr/site-packages/lsr/ Enjoy. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE2d6JjVefwtBjIM4RAqS1AJwN9gF0zWuMitmpJ2Sx0aI18B5AZACeKLUz 546jV87EhNZ4Ixa6J72+B2c= =/Upd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 9 14:11:32 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:11:32 +0100 Subject: OATSsoft project launch Message-ID: <44D9ED14.30909@ubuntu.com> I attended the official http://www.oatsoft.org/ project launch in London yesterday. I've blogged about it here http://blog.omma.net/?p=7 (awaiting planet ubuntu syndication). Looks like some good things are happening in the assistive tech world. - Henrik From William.Walker at Sun.COM Wed Aug 9 16:17:15 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:17:15 -0400 Subject: Gedit focus issue (was, Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.) In-Reply-To: <011e01c6bb57$8f8cdc40$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> <011e01c6bb57$8f8cdc40$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <1155140236.14084.40.camel@localhost> Hi Al: Thanks very much for testing this out! This sounds like a separate problem. Do you have someone that can eyeball gedit for you to make sure keyboard focus is really back in the gedit text area after you've maximized the window? That is, is the cursor really moving when you press the arrow keys? In addition, once you've maximized the window, can you try pressing F10 and then Escape (e.g., bring up an app menu and then dismiss it)? This might force a focus event on the gedit window and get the cursor routing working again. Finally, did you verify that you don't see the problem on GNOME 2.14 using the same exact Orca bits? We introduced some window activate/deactivate handling code prior to Orca 0.2.8 that might have had a negative impact in this space, and I want to make sure this isn't an Orca regression. Thanks! Will On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 22:00 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I've come across another weird focus issue which hopefully, can serve as > another piece of the puzzle if nothing else. This again, is on my Edgy > system running the latest updates as of the evening of Tuesday august 8. > To reproduce, try the following: > 1. Open any document in gedit, and attempt to navigate said document using > the arrow keys. Doing so should work just fine. > 2. Now, maximize the gedit window using alt-space x, or via the menu bar, > and then Arrow around the document once more. On my system, as soon as I > maximize the window, Orca no longer seems to be able to track the caret. > > --Al > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Walker" > To: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" > Cc: "Al Puzzuoli" ; "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" > ; "Gnome accessibility" > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:06 PM > Subject: Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. > > > > Hi All: > > > > I was finally able to do some testing with this. I'll confirm that none > > of these are Orca bugs. We do care, however, about the overall > > accessibility of the platform. So, we'll dig into these problems more > > and follow up with the appropriate teams. > > > >> > 1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one > >> > account, > >> > a freenode irc account. But now, after doing that, I can never seem to > >> > bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for whatever reason, > >> > it > >> > doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order. > > > > My experiences show that GAIM will come up without the buddy list and > > you need to press the gaim icon in the panel to show it. I've tried > > various ways to get to the icon from the keyboard, but I cannot seem to > > do so (BAD for people who cannot use the mouse). So...I resorted to > > clicking on it, which brings up a menu allowing me to show the buddy > > list. > > > > Once I was able to make the buddy list visible, I found that Orca seemed > > to do just fine with it. > > > > Note that this seems to be only with GAIM 2.0.0beta versus GAIM 1.5.1. > > > >> > 2. Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal. Orca tracks > >> > live > >> > events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all over > >> > the > >> > place. The read current line command seems to start at the top of the > >> > window, rather than at the last location of the cursor. Another oddity > >> > is > >> > that not all of the window is accessible via flat review. in other > >> > words, > >> > if my screen fills up with data, flat review stops before actually > >> > reaching > >> > the last line on the screen. > > > > I found that something broke with gnome-terminal's implementation of > > getTextAtOffset: it's giving us very wrong and very incorrect values for > > GNOME 2.15.90 versus GNOME 2.14. As such, it's difficult to know where > > text is on the screen as well as getting the text for the line where the > > cursor is. We will dig into this more this week and file a bug with the > > appropriate component (gnome-terminal, vte, ...) when we learn more. > > > >> > 3. Open office writer is completely inaccessible. Orca won't even > >> > read the > >> > menu bar or the help dialog. If I attempt flat review, all I get is > >> > "panel". > > > > I dug into this some more, and there appears to be some binary > > incompatibility between the AT-SPI implementation used by OOo and what > > is in GNOME 2.15.90. We've brought this to the OOo team's attention and > > will be following up more with them this week. Note that this may or > > may not be an OOo problem (e.g., it could be an inadvertent AT-SPI > > incompatibility). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Will > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From j-diggs at comcast.net Wed Aug 9 16:46:51 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanmarie Diggs) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:46:51 -0400 Subject: Gedit focus issue (was, Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.) In-Reply-To: <1155140236.14084.40.camel@localhost> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> <011e01c6bb57$8f8cdc40$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1155140236.14084.40.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1155142011.6033.11.camel@localhost> Hi all. I just gave this a try. I can confirm Al's findings. And it seems to occur any time you resize the window (e.g. if it's maximized and you unmaximize it, the problem also occurs). In answer to Will's questions/suggestions: > This sounds like a separate problem. Do you have someone that can > eyeball gedit for you to make sure keyboard focus is really back in the > gedit text area after you've maximized the window? That is, is the > cursor really moving when you press the arrow keys? Focus is really back in the gedit text area. I arrow around but Orca says nothing. > In addition, once you've maximized the window, can you try pressing F10 > and then Escape (e.g., bring up an app menu and then dismiss it)? This > might force a focus event on the gedit window and get the cursor routing > working again. This does get it working again! > Finally, did you verify that you don't see the problem on GNOME 2.14 > using the same exact Orca bits? Yep! On my Dapper machine this does not occur. And to be sure I had the same exact Orca bits, I just built from CVS on each machine. Hope this helps! Take care. Joanie From Li.Yuan at Sun.COM Thu Aug 10 10:05:19 2006 From: Li.Yuan at Sun.COM (Li Yuan) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:05:19 +0800 Subject: Gedit focus issue (was, Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.) In-Reply-To: <1155142011.6033.11.camel@localhost> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> <011e01c6bb57$8f8cdc40$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1155140236.14084.40.camel@localhost> <1155142011.6033.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1155204319.14824.10.camel@localhost> I cannot reproduce this with gnopernicus. Gedit works fine after I maximize it. Orca doesn't work on my edgy. I download it form "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy". But it hangs when setup dialog shows up. -Li On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 12:46 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi all. I just gave this a try. I can confirm Al's findings. And it > seems to occur any time you resize the window (e.g. if it's maximized > and you unmaximize it, the problem also occurs). > > In answer to Will's questions/suggestions: > > > This sounds like a separate problem. Do you have someone that can > > eyeball gedit for you to make sure keyboard focus is really back in the > > gedit text area after you've maximized the window? That is, is the > > cursor really moving when you press the arrow keys? > > Focus is really back in the gedit text area. I arrow around but Orca > says nothing. > > > In addition, once you've maximized the window, can you try pressing F10 > > and then Escape (e.g., bring up an app menu and then dismiss it)? This > > might force a focus event on the gedit window and get the cursor routing > > working again. > > This does get it working again! > > > Finally, did you verify that you don't see the problem on GNOME 2.14 > > using the same exact Orca bits? > > Yep! On my Dapper machine this does not occur. And to be sure I had the > same exact Orca bits, I just built from CVS on each machine. > > Hope this helps! Take care. > Joanie > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From William.Walker at Sun.COM Thu Aug 10 11:58:31 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:58:31 -0400 Subject: Gedit focus issue (was, Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.) In-Reply-To: <1155204319.14824.10.camel@localhost> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> <011e01c6bb57$8f8cdc40$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1155140236.14084.40.camel@localhost> <1155142011.6033.11.camel@localhost> <1155204319.14824.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1155211111.20098.9.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 18:05 +0800, Li Yuan wrote: > I cannot reproduce this with gnopernicus. Gedit works fine after I > maximize it. Thanks Li! This is a good data point - I suspect focus events might be coming in a different order with metacity/gedit in GNOME 2.15 than they are in GNOME 2.14. We'll investigate this more and try to come up with a fix that works both ways. Will From alpuzz at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 16:16:59 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:16:59 -0400 Subject: How to add admin commands to root's menu? Message-ID: <000601c6b8aa$94d891d0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, Until we resolve this at-spi accessibility issue to admin tools, I have enabled my root account in Dapper, and would like to make all relevant commands visible in Root's admin menu; However, I am unclear as to how this is done. According to Alacarte, admin commands such as synaptic are already visible; but for whatever reason, they don't show up for root. I understand that things were set up this way for purposes of security, but as a matter of convenience, I would really like to undo it, at least for the time being. 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Kind regards, -- Mauricio Hernandez Z. mhz at ubuntu.com www.edubuntu.org www.ubuntu-cl.org Cel: (56+8) 749 6071 |============ IRC ===============| | servidor: irc.freenode.net | | canal: #edubuntu, #edubuntu-es | | nick: mhz | |================================| [Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales para evitar incompatbilidades entre clientes de correo] [Para que enviar adjuntos propietarios, si podemos enviar adjuntos mas livianos y libres?] [Por favor, evita enviarme .doc .xls .ppt] From themuso at themuso.com Fri Aug 11 02:04:15 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:04:15 +1000 Subject: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. In-Reply-To: <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060811020415.GA3679@themuso.com> On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 02:06:16AM EST, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi All: > > I was finally able to do some testing with this. I'll confirm that none > of these are Orca bugs. We do care, however, about the overall > accessibility of the platform. So, we'll dig into these problems more > and follow up with the appropriate teams. Hi all I have found something that might be of interest for edgy users and accessibility. As previously stated, things start acting weird when accessibility is turned on. When I do so, and attempt to displayt he applications menu with ALT + F1, I see the applications menu constantly flicker. It is impossible to arrow through it. The other menus seem fine. I also noticed the gnome-panel process hitting 59.60% CPU usage. I have confirmed this on two machines, and what is more puzzling, is that it is a damn nucence to get things back the way they were, i.e gnome-panel running normally, and no flickering applications menu, and this is after completely removing all gnome related files from both my home directory, and the /tmp directory. I even completely removed gnome-panel, and gnome-panel-data, and re-installed them, just to be sure. However, no dice. This is pretty much the latest edgy, although I am using a local mirror, which takes a few hours to receive the latest from the official archives. Hope this helps. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gk4 at austin.ibm.com Mon Aug 14 14:05:31 2006 From: gk4 at austin.ibm.com (George Kraft) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:05:31 -0500 Subject: sudo and accessibility Message-ID: <1155564331.1001.90.camel@gk4.austin.ibm.com> I'm a Fedora user and I just installed Ubuntu 6.05 on a test system so that I could take a look at it. It appears that the end user does not have the root password, so the end-user must sudo to do any privileged work. Is that correct? There is an at-spi, gnome-session, and gdm set of patches to enable accessibility for sudo run applications. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345428 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345434 Could someone validate the above referenced Gnome patches on Ubuntu, then comment positively on them in the bug reports. The Gnome 2.16 code freeze is approaching; however, this code has not been committed by the maintainers yet. -- George (gk4) From alpuzz at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 18:03:55 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:03:55 -0400 Subject: sudo and accessibility) References: <1155564331.1001.90.camel@gk4.austin.ibm.com> Message-ID: <002e01c6bfcc$02fbd550$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hello George or for that matter, anyone else who would care to chime in, As an end user, I feel strongly that these patches should get committed as soon as possible, and I'm happy to test them in order to facilitate that. However, the reason I haven't done so to date is because I have questions as to how to go about it. Which versions of the infrastructure do we need? how, exactly do we get the patches to apply? I've managed to apply the at-spi patch, but am having issues with the gnome-session patch. If someone could provide a bit of assistance in terms of what needs to be done, I would be happy to apply the patches, and then post the patched tar balls so that other members of the community could more easily assist with the testing process. Thanks, --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Kraft" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: sudo and accessibility > I'm a Fedora user and I just installed Ubuntu 6.05 on a test system so > that I could take a look at it. It appears that the end user does not > have the root password, so the end-user must sudo to do any privileged > work. Is that correct? > > There is an at-spi, gnome-session, and gdm set of patches to enable > accessibility for sudo run applications. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345428 > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345434 > > Could someone validate the above referenced Gnome patches on Ubuntu, > then comment positively on them in the bug reports. The Gnome 2.16 code > freeze is approaching; however, this code has not been committed by the > maintainers yet. > > -- > > George (gk4) > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From themuso at themuso.com Tue Aug 15 04:40:46 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:40:46 +1000 Subject: RFC: Easier console accessibility configuration. Message-ID: <20060815044046.GA24822@themuso.com> Greetings all For those of you who tracked the specifications during the Paris developer's summit, you will probably know that there were some important accessibility related specifications that were drafted, and subsequently approved. Among those specifications, there was speakup inclusion,(1) and spoken boot.(2) Both specifications state that configuration will allow them to be off by default, but allow them also to be turned on if a user so wishes. Both these specifications also rely on other packages, some of which have to be loaded via an init script at system startup. Since these services need to be turned off by default, and since the spoken boot specification requires additions to the initramfs, I am proposing that for this release at least, a script be written to more easily allow the user to turn features on and off accordingly. This can then be re-written to be a more useful control panel for all accessibility options, and support more desktop environments in future releases. I am currently working on the userspace scripts required for the speakup inclusion specification, and will also be doing so shortly for spoken boot, so it won't take much to include what I have proposed above. However, I am wondering about how we may present these options to the user. Even though speakup is a console tool, users may still wish to enable it when in GNOME, and they also may wish to enable spoken boot. I was thinking it may be possible to extend the assistive technologies control panel somehow, and add a tab with the options available, but I also think we should have a command-line tool available to enable/disable/show status as well. Thoughts and suggestions welcome. (1) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpeakupInclusion (2) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpokenBoot -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Tue Aug 15 06:03:38 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:03:38 -0700 Subject: orca as the default in edgy Message-ID: <1155621818.4951.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, as Orca is now the default screen reader in gnome 2.16 I'm just curious when we might see it as the drfault in edgy? I just tried a live CD from today and noticed that gnopernicus is still the included screen reader. It would be really nice if we could begin testing orca on the live CDs and with the installer. If I can be of any help testing this, please let me know. thanks much Mike From themuso at themuso.com Tue Aug 15 06:07:38 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:07:38 +1000 Subject: orca as the default in edgy In-Reply-To: <1155621818.4951.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1155621818.4951.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060815060738.GA25295@themuso.com> On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 04:03:38PM EST, Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi all, as Orca is now the default screen reader in gnome 2.16 I'm just > curious when we might see it as the drfault in edgy? I just tried a > live CD from today and noticed that gnopernicus is still the included > screen reader. It would be really nice if we could begin testing orca > on the live CDs and with the installer. If I can be of any help testing > this, please let me know. If Orca is now the default in 2.16, have the appropriate modifications been made to the assistive technologies control panel to use orca rather than gnopernicus? There are also the current accessibility issues that seem to exist with gnome. I haven't checked for the last few days, but gnome, particularly gnome-panel is unusable for me with accessibility turned on. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lloydinho at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 13:20:16 2006 From: lloydinho at gmail.com (Andreas Lloyd) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:20:16 +0200 Subject: Contribute doc and Accessibility team page Message-ID: <44E07890.7080203@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Accessibility Team! I have been working on a new document for the Ubuntu Documentation on how to get involved with Ubuntu [1], and as part of that, I have been going through all the team wiki pages to gather basic information on how to get involved with each team. Unfortunately, not all of this information is organized or available in any easy way. To solve this, I have made a TeamPageTemplate [2] in the Ubuntu Wiki to offer a common structure for team wiki pages to make it easy for new contributors to get an overview of the information that they will need to get involved. I hope you are willing to adopt this structure the accessibility team page. I have already adapted the DocumentationTeam wiki page to this template [3] so that you can get an idea of what such a team wiki page can look like. If you wish, I can adapt the team page for you, but I think it would be best if the team members did this themselves. I would also like you to have a look at the ContributeToUbuntu section on the Accessibility [4] so that you can make sure that it properly reflects how you want people to get involved. Remember that this is to make it easy for new community members to get involved, so please let me know if you have any input or comments on the suggested structure. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamPageTemplate?action=edit (note that there are comments for each section) [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam [4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#head-24c54091610fb121e87a8937c66ddba3f8477c64 Cheers, Andreas - -- https://launchpad.net/people/lloydinho -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4HiPY0tj6HNxlo4RAnF3AJ4+Nsa1LQDRajIzBz+nl4oNhHPyvgCeJvyc kBgPUDYmF4W5wgkXBmpOQzE= =gEAr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Tue Aug 15 06:39:43 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:39:43 -0700 Subject: orca as the default in edgy In-Reply-To: <20060815060738.GA25295@themuso.com> References: <1155621818.4951.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060815060738.GA25295@themuso.com> Message-ID: <44E16C2F.5060001@sun.com> Hi Luke, > If Orca is now the default in 2.16, have the appropriate modifications > been made to the assistive technologies control panel to use orca rather > than gnopernicus? > > Yes, so far as I know, these patches have now been applied as of beta 2 last week. > There are also the current accessibility issues that seem to exist with > gnome. I haven't checked for the last few days, but gnome, particularly > gnome-panel is unusable for me with accessibility turned on. > The Orca team is working with the community to resolve the gnome-terminal and openoffice problems. I have been able to use gnome panel with out problems. Rather, it seems at least as good as it was in gnome 2.14. Mike From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 15 12:53:21 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:53:21 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: 'at-spi_at-spi-registryd' crashes when trying to start an AT application like gnopernicus. See attached crash log ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 15 12:54:17 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:54:17 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060815125417.20172.26208.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> -- Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From gk4 at austin.ibm.com Tue Aug 15 15:27:18 2006 From: gk4 at austin.ibm.com (George Kraft) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:27:18 -0500 Subject: sudo and accessibility Message-ID: <1155655638.12677.53.camel@gk4.austin.ibm.com> I had to refresh the gnome-session patch with CVS HEAD, because other patches had been committed in the interim. To fix accessibility for sudo GUI tasks on Ubuntu, then apply the below referenced patches to CVS HEAD versions of at-spi, gnome-session, and gdm. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345428 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345434 Thanks for helping to test. -- George (gk4) From scott at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 15 16:15:36 2006 From: scott at ubuntu.com (Scott James Remnant) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:15:36 +0100 Subject: RFC: Easier console accessibility configuration. In-Reply-To: <20060815044046.GA24822@themuso.com> References: <20060815044046.GA24822@themuso.com> Message-ID: <1155658536.3361.20.camel@quest.netsplit.com> On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 14:40 +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote: > However, I am wondering about how we may present these options to the > user. Even though speakup is a console tool, users may still wish to > enable it when in GNOME, and they also may wish to enable spoken boot. I > was thinking it may be possible to extend the assistive technologies > control panel somehow, and add a tab with the options available, but I > also think we should have a command-line tool available to > enable/disable/show status as well. > The main trouble here I can forsee is that the option is deep into the running machine and that people with the most limited accessibility will not be able to reach it without help. The option should also be at the very first boot of the CD, along with the other accessibility options, and this should result not only in the Live CD using this but inherently enabling it on the installed system as well. Scott -- Scott James Remnant scott at ubuntu.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If someone has some time on their hands they might try seeing if there are different event orderings between GNOME 2.14 and GNOME 2.15/16 for this gedit maximize/unmaximize scenario. The events of interest probably include: "focus:" "window:activate" "window:deactivate" and "object:state-changed:focused". Will On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 12:46 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi all. I just gave this a try. I can confirm Al's findings. And it > seems to occur any time you resize the window (e.g. if it's maximized > and you unmaximize it, the problem also occurs). > > In answer to Will's questions/suggestions: > > > This sounds like a separate problem. Do you have someone that can > > eyeball gedit for you to make sure keyboard focus is really back in the > > gedit text area after you've maximized the window? That is, is the > > cursor really moving when you press the arrow keys? > > Focus is really back in the gedit text area. I arrow around but Orca > says nothing. > > > In addition, once you've maximized the window, can you try pressing F10 > > and then Escape (e.g., bring up an app menu and then dismiss it)? This > > might force a focus event on the gedit window and get the cursor routing > > working again. > > This does get it working again! > > > Finally, did you verify that you don't see the problem on GNOME 2.14 > > using the same exact Orca bits? > > Yep! On my Dapper machine this does not occur. And to be sure I had the > same exact Orca bits, I just built from CVS on each machine. > > Hope this helps! Take care. > Joanie > > From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Aug 15 20:53:58 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanmarie Diggs) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:53:58 -0400 Subject: Gedit focus issue (was, Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.) In-Reply-To: <1155669148.26369.97.camel@localhost> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> <011e01c6bb57$8f8cdc40$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1155140236.14084.40.camel@localhost> <1155142011.6033.11.camel@localhost> <1155669148.26369.97.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1155675239.12313.7.camel@localhost> Hi Will. I'll take a stab at it. In Dapper: [...] window:maximize object:state-changed:iconified focus: object:property-change:accessible-value (8x) [...] In Edgy: [...] window:maximize object:state-changed:iconified object:property-change:accessible-value (8x) object:state-changed:showing object:state-changed:visible object:state-changed:iconified [...] Is that what you're looking for? Take care. Joanie > If someone has some time on their hands they might try seeing if there > are different event orderings between GNOME 2.14 and GNOME 2.15/16 for > this gedit maximize/unmaximize scenario. The events of interest > probably include: "focus:" "window:activate" "window:deactivate" and > "object:state-changed:focused". From William.Walker at Sun.COM Tue Aug 15 21:15:22 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:15:22 -0400 Subject: Gedit focus issue (was, Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.) In-Reply-To: <1155675239.12313.7.camel@localhost> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44D1D584.504@ubuntu.com> <1154966776.6662.23.camel@localhost> <011e01c6bb57$8f8cdc40$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1155140236.14084.40.camel@localhost> <1155142011.6033.11.camel@localhost> <1155669148.26369.97.camel@localhost> <1155675239.12313.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1155676522.26369.102.camel@localhost> Yep and Thanks! I'm surprised there's not a object:state-changed:focused event in the Edgy version. I'm seeing that on my box. :-( Will On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 16:53 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Will. I'll take a stab at it. > > In Dapper: > [...] > window:maximize > object:state-changed:iconified > focus: > object:property-change:accessible-value (8x) > [...] > > In Edgy: > [...] > window:maximize > object:state-changed:iconified > object:property-change:accessible-value (8x) > object:state-changed:showing > object:state-changed:visible > object:state-changed:iconified > [...] > > Is that what you're looking for? > > Take care. > Joanie > > > If someone has some time on their hands they might try seeing if there > > are different event orderings between GNOME 2.14 and GNOME 2.15/16 for > > this gedit maximize/unmaximize scenario. The events of interest > > probably include: "focus:" "window:activate" "window:deactivate" and > > "object:state-changed:focused". > > > From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 16 12:14:07 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:14:07 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56585] Gnopernicus crashes on exit. References: <20060816121407.14641.69719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060816121407.14641.69719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: The attached file contains a backtrace. Gnome-orca shows similar behavior when shut down, although there is no backtrace shown, as it is a python app. ** Affects: gnopernicus (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Gnopernicus crashes on exit. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56585 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 16 12:16:33 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:16:33 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56585] Re: Gnopernicus crashes on exit. References: <20060816121407.14641.69719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060816121633.14594.13651.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Backtrace -- Gnopernicus crashes on exit. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56585 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 16 13:20:01 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:20:01 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56589] brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. References: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Attached are debdiffs against the current debian version, and the previous Ubuntu version of the package. This is a package merge. Please review/sponsor upload. Thanks. ** Affects: brltty (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56589 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 16 13:21:39 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:21:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56589] Re: brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. References: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060816132139.14594.79235.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Debdiff between old Ubuntu, and merged package. -- brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56589 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 16 13:20:56 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:20:56 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56589] Re: brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. References: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060816132056.30451.72150.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Debdiff between current debian and merged package -- brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56589 From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu Wed Aug 16 18:55:03 2006 From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (Daniel T Chen) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:55:03 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56589] Re: brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. References: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060816185503.7538.47510.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Luke, it would be easiest if you generated a correct debdiff between the current Debian version and the newer merged ones; changelog entries seem to be missing. -- brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56589 From alpuzz at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 19:23:59 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:23:59 -0400 Subject: sudo and accessibility References: <1155655638.12677.53.camel@gk4.austin.ibm.com> Message-ID: <006c01c6c169$86b47ca0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi George and all, Okay, assuming I've applied all the patches correctly, and I believe I have, then something appears to be seriously broken. GDM starts, and prompts me to login; However after I do so, the desktop never comes up. I'm really not sure how to offer any more relevant info at this point, but would be happy to troubleshoot further if anyone can offer suggestions as to how. --Al . ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Kraft" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: Re: sudo and accessibility >I had to refresh the gnome-session patch with CVS HEAD, because other > patches had been committed in the interim. To fix accessibility for > sudo GUI tasks on Ubuntu, then apply the below referenced patches to CVS > HEAD versions of at-spi, gnome-session, and gdm. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345428 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345434 > > Thanks for helping to test. > > -- > > George (gk4) > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 16 22:23:02 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:23:02 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56589] Re: brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. References: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060816222302.7494.3039.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Fixed debdiff between Debian and Ubuntu merged package -- brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56589 From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 17 03:41:34 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:41:34 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817034134.7494.5679.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Happens for me here. Attaching my backtrace as well. -- Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 17 03:41:46 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:41:46 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817034146.7494.41951.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Happens for me here. Attaching my backtrace as well. -- Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 17 03:42:38 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:42:38 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817034238.7009.83912.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Crash log -- Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu Thu Aug 17 03:56:49 2006 From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (Daniel T Chen) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:56:49 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56589] Re: brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. References: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817035649.7009.46861.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:57:14 +1000 Source: brltty Binary: libbrlapi1 brltty-flite brltty-udeb libbrlapi1-dev brltty brltty-x11 Architecture: source Version: 3.7.2-3.1ubuntu1 Distribution: edgy Urgency: low Maintainer: Mario Lang Changed-By: Luke Yelavich Description: brltty - Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal brltty-flite - Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal brltty-udeb - Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal brltty-x11 - Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal libbrlapi1 - braille display access via BRLTTY - shared library libbrlapi1-dev - Library for communication with BRLTTY - static libs and header s Closes: 376863 Changes: brltty (3.7.2-3.1ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low . * Merge from Debian unstable. * Move /lib/libbrlapi.so symbolic link from libbrlapi1-dev to libbrlapi1 to make sure that gnome-orca can work with braille support. * Commented out the include for linux/compiler.h in Programs/usb_linux.c. . brltty (3.7.2-3.1) unstable; urgency=low . * Non-maintainer upload. * changing build-depends from libbluetooth1-dev to libbluetooth2-dev | libbluetooth-dev as suggested by Felipe Augusto van de Wiel and Rudy Godoy. (Closes: #376863) Thanks! Files: 4bea2f9cda55840fc91a5b8280ac6d56 771 admin extra brltty_3.7.2-3.1ubuntu1.dsc e92bdee36b9482a8f3dce288462490ce 44030 admin extra brltty_3.7.2-3.1ubuntu1.diff .gz Package-Type: udeb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE4+hZe9GwFciKvaMRAh+pAJ9E3SPC9p+aL6rAbyMzno5X/ONB9gCfRUtm kWWvxddzaxgl5yMYiDEmtdo= =N+fo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ** Changed in: brltty (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Released -- brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56589 From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 17 07:24:08 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:24:08 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56671] gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. References: <20060817072408.7538.85916.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817072408.7538.85916.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Please review/sponsor this package update for upload. Thanks. ** Affects: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56671 From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 17 07:25:15 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:25:15 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56671] Re: gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. References: <20060817072408.7538.85916.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817072515.7009.92371.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Debdiff -- gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56671 From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 17 10:27:06 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:27:06 +1000 Subject: sudo and accessibility In-Reply-To: <1155655638.12677.53.camel@gk4.austin.ibm.com> References: <1155655638.12677.53.camel@gk4.austin.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20060817102706.GA26085@themuso.com> On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 01:27:18AM EST, George Kraft wrote: > I had to refresh the gnome-session patch with CVS HEAD, because other > patches had been committed in the interim. To fix accessibility for > sudo GUI tasks on Ubuntu, then apply the below referenced patches to CVS > HEAD versions of at-spi, gnome-session, and gdm. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345428 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345434 From reading these bugs, I am unable to determine what patches are relevant that need testing, particularly since there are comments at the end saying that there could be better ways of doing so. Could you please provide some pointers as to the bits that need testing? Thanks. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <20060817072408.7538.85916.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817220315.21835.89691.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Corrected debdiff. -- gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56671 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Fri Aug 18 06:55:00 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:55:00 -0000 Subject: [Bug 36418] Re: a11y theming bugs References: <20060324132742.6253.21366.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060818065503.5172.30381.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: workrave (upstream) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released -- a11y theming bugs https://launchpad.net/bugs/36418 From henrik at ubuntu.com Fri Aug 18 12:25:21 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:25:21 +0100 Subject: onBoard repository in Launchpad Message-ID: <44E5B1B1.5010705@ubuntu.com> Hi, With some help from Rob, James and Wouter in #launchpad, I've finally gotten the launchpad bazaar hosting up for onBoard. We should now be able to work on a common repository and it should be easier for the core Ubuntu developers to get a copy in a format that is useful for them. See the onBoard project page here: https://launchpad.net/products/onboard To grab a copy using bazaar, enter: bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~onboard/onboard/main Edit the files locally and use bzr commit -m "some comment" when you are done. Those who are members of the onboard launchpad team can in turn upload their changes with bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~onboard/onboard/main To pull down other people's changes into an existing local branch, use: bzr pull sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~onboard/onboard/main For more information on shared bzr hosting in launchpad see James Henstridge's blog post: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2006/08/17/1 - Henrik From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Fri Aug 18 15:27:34 2006 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel thibault) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:27:34 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56589] Re: [Bug 56589] Re: brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. References: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060817035649.7009.46861.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060818152734.GM4448@implementation.labri.fr> Hi, Daniel T Chen, le Thu 17 Aug 2006 03:56:49 -0000, a écrit : > * Merge from Debian unstable. > * Move /lib/libbrlapi.so symbolic link from libbrlapi1-dev to > libbrlapi1 to make sure that gnome-orca can work with braille > support. Mmm. This is a not-so-short story. From debian packaging policy point of view, the .so symbolic link should really reside in -dev. And from an ABI point of view, orca should dlopen("libbrlapi.so.4"); instead of dlopen("libbrlapi.so"); But these are really "should", and this fix should be fine for now. When brltty will provide its own python bindings for BrlAPI, the orca issue should be fixed and libbrlapi.so will be able to come back to -dev. Samuel -- brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56589 From frej.soya at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 12:27:35 2006 From: frej.soya at gmail.com (FrejSoya) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:27:35 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817122735.6921.95066.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> more debug logs -- Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From jcorbier at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 17 14:35:37 2006 From: jcorbier at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?b?SsOpcsOpbWllIENvcmJpZXI=?=) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:35:37 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56671] Re: gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. References: <20060817072408.7538.85916.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817143537.7009.97466.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Luke, looks like the debdiff you attached is not the right one. ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56671 From jcorbier at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 17 22:54:40 2006 From: jcorbier at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?b?SsOpcsOpbWllIENvcmJpZXI=?=) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:54:40 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56671] Re: gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. References: <20060817072408.7538.85916.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060817225440.21756.16298.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Uploaded. Thanks Luke. ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Fix Committed -- gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56671 From tjaalton at cc.hut.fi Fri Aug 18 12:30:52 2006 From: tjaalton at cc.hut.fi (Timo Aaltonen) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:30:52 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56804] uninstallabel, please rebuild References: <20060818123053.10876.21178.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060818123053.10876.21178.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: the current build depends on libgail17 which isn't available, so please rebuild against the newer gail (which has been uploaded on Jul 28..) ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- uninstallabel, please rebuild https://launchpad.net/bugs/56804 From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu Fri Aug 18 18:15:08 2006 From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (Daniel T Chen) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:15:08 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56589] Re: brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. References: <20060816132001.14594.58281.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060818181508.12543.22214.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Samuel, in my haste I uploaded an incorrect version (that Adam kindly pointed out). The fixed version was uploaded shortly afterward [0]. [0] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy- changes/2006-August/003939.html -- brltty: Request for sponsorship of this package upload. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56589 From henrik at ubuntu.com Fri Aug 18 22:43:06 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:43:06 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060818224306.12543.58447.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Confirmed by Luke ** Summary changed: - Crashes frequently + Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From mark at reitblatt.com Sat Aug 19 00:16:10 2006 From: mark at reitblatt.com (Mark Reitblatt) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:16:10 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56804] Re: uninstallabel, please rebuild References: <20060818123053.10876.21178.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060819001610.23623.86023.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> This is in Edgy I assume? -- uninstallabel, please rebuild https://launchpad.net/bugs/56804 From ricaradu at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 10:16:42 2006 From: ricaradu at gmail.com (Aurelian Radu) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:16:42 +0300 Subject: Fwd: gnome-mag's memory usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aurelian Radu Date: Aug 19, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: gnome-mag's memory usage To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com, gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org I removed the attached screenshots to comply with the 40 KB/message limit. Hello, lists, After half an hour of using gnome-mag, memory usage for the magnifier process increased to around 625 MB, as seen in the attached screenshots. Is this a memory leak or is it a feature? Is this huge cache really necessary? It is true that the magnifier process releases some memory when needed by other applications, but the system becomes really slow. Thanks, Aurelian Radu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at vorlon.ping.de Sat Aug 19 10:17:58 2006 From: michael at vorlon.ping.de (Michael Bienia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:17:58 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56804] [Edgy] Re: uninstallable, please rebuild References: <20060818123053.10876.21178.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060819101758.23623.18965.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Yes, this is in Edgy. libgail17 was superseded by libgail18. ** Summary changed: - uninstallabel, please rebuild + [Edgy] uninstallable, please rebuild -- [Edgy] uninstallable, please rebuild https://launchpad.net/bugs/56804 From michael at vorlon.ping.de Sat Aug 19 12:27:05 2006 From: michael at vorlon.ping.de (Michael Bienia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:27:05 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56804] Re: [Edgy] uninstallable, please rebuild References: <20060818123053.10876.21178.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060819122705.23623.96484.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Fixed in 1.7.10-0ubuntu2 ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Released -- [Edgy] uninstallable, please rebuild https://launchpad.net/bugs/56804 From alpuzz at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 03:05:28 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:05:28 -0400 Subject: Ubiquity, editing partitions from the keyboard? Message-ID: <003601c6c4ce$a8a2dab0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi everyone, I am attempting to manually edit partitions in ubiquity, and there doesn't appear to be an obvious way to do much of anything useful with the keyboard at this point. I am able to arrow through the tree view, in order to select a partition on which I would like to perform an operation. I can then tab to the tool bar, but when I attempt to arrow through the command buttons, it seems as if not all of them are getting focus. All I can find is a delete button, and another button which is being read as "go to last." The machine in question is currently running XP, and I want to install Edgy using dev/hda2 as my root filesystem, and dev/hda5 as my swap space. All these partitions are already created, I just need to be able to tell the installer how to use them. Am I missing something, or are there indeed accessibility issues that still need to be addressed? Thanks, --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aurelian.radu.tss at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 07:34:51 2006 From: aurelian.radu.tss at gmail.com (Aurelian Radu) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:34:51 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57054] Possible memory leak in gnome-mag References: <20060821073451.12543.4719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060821073451.12543.4719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Binary package hint: gnome-mag After using Gnopernicus with gnome-mag for a few minutes, System Monitor shows increased memory usage for the "magnifier" process. It went as high as 625 MB of RAM after half an hour or so. Gnome-mag releases some of this memory when needed by other applications but the "magnifier" process never goes below ~290 MB of RAM. I don't know if it's a memory leak or a feature, but it really slows down other memory-hungry applications. ** Affects: gnome-mag (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Possible memory leak in gnome-mag https://launchpad.net/bugs/57054 From Bill.Haneman at Sun.COM Mon Aug 21 10:05:18 2006 From: Bill.Haneman at Sun.COM (Bill Haneman) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:05:18 +0100 Subject: gnome-mag's memory usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156154717.8010.1.camel@linux.site> Hi Aurelian Although I am not aware of any big memory leaks in gnome-mag, this sounds like a bug. Opening a bug in gnome bugzilla would be best, then you can post your attachments. For finding memory leaks on Linux, I highly recommend using valgrind. If you can run gnome-mag in valgrind it's likely to provide excellent diagnostics. Carlos, perhaps you could help investigate this issue? Bill On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 10:13, Aurelian Radu wrote: > Hello, lists, > > After half an hour of using gnome-mag, memory usage for the magnifier > process increased to around 625 MB, as seen in the attached > screenshots. Is this a memory leak or is it a feature? Is this huge > cache really necessary? It is true that the magnifier process releases > some memory when needed by other applications, but the system becomes > really slow. > > Thanks, > Aurelian Radu > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From cerdiogenes at yahoo.com.br Mon Aug 21 13:40:45 2006 From: cerdiogenes at yahoo.com.br (Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diogenes) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:40:45 -0300 Subject: gnome-mag's memory usage In-Reply-To: <1156154717.8010.1.camel@linux.site> References: <1156154717.8010.1.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <1156167645.5140.15.camel@kodorna> Hi, Em Seg, 2006-08-21 às 11:05 +0100, Bill Haneman escreveu: > Hi Aurelian > > Although I am not aware of any big memory leaks in gnome-mag, this > sounds like a bug. Opening a bug in gnome bugzilla would be best, then > you can post your attachments. > > For finding memory leaks on Linux, I highly recommend using valgrind. > If you can run gnome-mag in valgrind it's likely to provide excellent > diagnostics. Carlos, perhaps you could help investigate this issue? Aurelian told me about this bug some time ago in off. I ask him to try learn bugzilla and put it there (he also know about other bugs, I think). Certainly that I will investigate it with more attention, but I don't know when I will be able to give a feedback about this. > > Bill > > On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 10:13, Aurelian Radu wrote: > > Hello, lists, > > > > After half an hour of using gnome-mag, memory usage for the magnifier > > process increased to around 625 MB, as seen in the attached > > screenshots. Is this a memory leak or is it a feature? Is this huge > > cache really necessary? It is true that the magnifier process releases > > some memory when needed by other applications, but the system becomes > > really slow. > > > > Thanks, > > Aurelian Radu > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list _______________________________________________________ O Yahoo! est� de cara nova. Venha conferir! http://br.yahoo.com From alpuzz at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 17:08:01 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:08:01 -0400 Subject: Questions about Orca Packages? Message-ID: <000a01c6c544$5c000130$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, Just wondering about a few things relating to the Orca packages in both Dapper and Edgy: 1. The package currently in dapper universe is0.2.2. Orca has come a long way since this release, both in terms of functionality and stability. is there any chance of getting this package updated to a more current version? 2. Since Orca has now been officially added as part of the Gnome desktop,what needs to happen in order that it be moved from universe to main? Doing this would be of great benefit in terms of accessibility, as then, a user could install orca simply by typing a single command. --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 22 20:42:27 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:42:27 +0100 Subject: Ubiquity, editing partitions from the keyboard? In-Reply-To: <003601c6c4ce$a8a2dab0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <003601c6c4ce$a8a2dab0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <44EB6C33.9060405@ubuntu.com> Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am attempting to manually edit partitions in ubiquity, and there > doesn't appear to be an obvious way to do much of anything useful with > the keyboard at this point. I am able to arrow through the tree > view, in order to select a partition on which I would like to perform > an operation. I can then tab to the tool bar, but when I attempt to > arrow through the command buttons, it seems as if not all of them are > getting focus. All I can find is a delete button, and another button > which is being read as "go to last." The machine in question is > currently running XP, and I want to install Edgy using dev/hda2 as my > root filesystem, and dev/hda5 as my swap space. All these partitions > are already created, I just need to be able to tell the installer how > to use them. > > Am I missing something, or are there indeed accessibility issues that > still need to be addressed? > I have managed to do this purely with the keyboard in the past, but I agree that the usability is poor. A rewrite is in the works for Edgy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitionerRewrite But it is not quite clear that it will make it in time. - Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 22 20:49:10 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:49:10 +0100 Subject: Questions about Orca Packages? In-Reply-To: <000a01c6c544$5c000130$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <000a01c6c544$5c000130$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <44EB6DC6.3040208@ubuntu.com> Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wondering about a few things relating to the Orca packages in > both Dapper and Edgy: > > 1. The package currently in dapper universe is0.2.2. Orca has come a > long way since this release, both in terms of functionality and > stability. is there any chance of getting this package updated to a > more current version? > > 2. Since Orca has now been officially added as part of the Gnome > desktop,what needs to happen in order that it be moved from universe > to main? Doing this would be of great benefit in terms of > accessibility, as then, a user could install orca simply by typing a > single command. Orca has been approved for main and will indeed be our default screen reader. A few formalities remain for getting it on the CD. We will take advice from the Orca team as to what is the best version to go with. It will be at least as recent as the Gnome 2.16 version, and may even be more up to date. I'm just back from a dev meeting in German where we discussed this and other access topics. We are also planning to adopt the upstream patches for the at-spi as sudo issue (as long as it doesn't break anything very badly). - Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 22 20:56:06 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:56:06 +0100 Subject: sudo and accessibility In-Reply-To: <1155655638.12677.53.camel@gk4.austin.ibm.com> References: <1155655638.12677.53.camel@gk4.austin.ibm.com> Message-ID: <44EB6F66.7060908@ubuntu.com> George Kraft wrote: > I had to refresh the gnome-session patch with CVS HEAD, because other > patches had been committed in the interim. To fix accessibility for > sudo GUI tasks on Ubuntu, then apply the below referenced patches to CVS > HEAD versions of at-spi, gnome-session, and gdm. > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345428 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345434 > > Thanks for helping to test. > I've just spoken with Sebastien who does much of our Gnome packaging and he is happy to apply these patches to Edgy. That should give us a good chance to test it. Thanks to all who participated in debugging and patching! - Henrik From aridamoulakis at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 20:52:32 2006 From: aridamoulakis at gmail.com (ari) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:52:32 +0200 Subject: question Message-ID: <002901c6c62c$e6dde400$0600000a@a> Hi, My sighted friend has been trying to help me get a gnopernicus system running for me, but nearly every distribution we've tried, we've been having problems with libraries, festival, etc. We now want to try Ubuntu, but I do have a few questions: On Ubuntu version 6, is gnopernicus usable as yet by your average computer user? I use my computer for everyday tasks, like writting University assignments, email, web surfing, etc, is the gnopernicus on Ubuntu version 6 up to doing these things? If it isn't, when do you guys estimate that gnopernicus and orca and Ubuntu will be accessible enough for the lay person, and will those of us who don't have a braille display be able to install a Ubuntu using speech? Does Ubuntu also have the built-in Speakup screen reader? My friend and I tried to install the Fedorra distro which has been modified by having Speakup built into the kernel, but for some reason the PC kept on re-booting halfway through the installation, we had to do a rescue with a mini linux distro, because the re-booting halfway somehow damaged the boot manager, which is trying to manage a dual-boot system I'm trying to have with Window and Linux. Thanks Ari From michael at vorlon.ping.de Tue Aug 22 21:05:46 2006 From: michael at vorlon.ping.de (Michael Bienia) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:05:46 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57359] [Edgy] Rebuild for libgail soname change References: <20060822210546.13507.69462.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060822210546.13507.69462.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: at-poke needs a rebuild for the libgail soname change. ** Affects: at-poke (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- [Edgy] Rebuild for libgail soname change https://launchpad.net/bugs/57359 From michael at vorlon.ping.de Tue Aug 22 21:06:19 2006 From: michael at vorlon.ping.de (Michael Bienia) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:06:19 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57359] Re: [Edgy] Rebuild for libgail soname change References: <20060822210546.13507.69462.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060822210619.6059.26580.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> -- [Edgy] Rebuild for libgail soname change https://launchpad.net/bugs/57359 From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu Wed Aug 23 01:09:33 2006 From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (Daniel T Chen) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:09:33 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57359] Re: [Edgy] Rebuild for libgail soname change References: <20060822210546.13507.69462.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060823010933.13463.11657.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:56:44 +0200 Source: at-poke Binary: at-poke Architecture: source Version: 0.2.3-0ubuntu2 Distribution: edgy Urgency: low Maintainer: Daniel Holbach Changed-By: Michael Bienia Description: at-poke - tool for poking around with accessibility support Changes: at-poke (0.2.3-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low . * Rebuild for libgail soname change Files: fe9726adac426e3791905e7480c5ec81 696 gnome optional at-poke_0.2.3-0ubuntu2.dsc 2dba75ec80d07583607f875818ff19f5 1340 gnome optional at-poke_0.2.3-0ubuntu2.dif f.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE66qee9GwFciKvaMRAqaRAKCrcci6b7drpdL4lcSXBKiIBHY6bgCdGivy eTOY4UrhEoXVHW0EXKtwayA= =PSkr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ** Changed in: at-poke (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Low Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Released -- [Edgy] Rebuild for libgail soname change https://launchpad.net/bugs/57359 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 23 09:05:36 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:05:36 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56585] Re: Gnopernicus crashes on exit. References: <20060816121407.14641.69719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060823090536.6059.90067.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Thanks for your bug report. Can you obtain a debug backtrace? It'd be nice if you'd install libc6-dbg and libglib2.0-0-dbg and follow the instructions from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash ** Changed in: gnopernicus (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Medium Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- Gnopernicus crashes on exit. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56585 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 23 10:12:43 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:12:43 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060823101243.6128.87958.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Thanks for your bug report. It'd help if you'd attach a backtrace of the crash. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace would help. ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Confirmed => Needs Info -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 23 10:32:08 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:32:08 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56671] Re: gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. References: <20060817072408.7538.85916.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060823103208.13463.5018.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- gnome-orca: Please sponsor upload for package update. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56671 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 23 10:52:18 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:52:18 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56585] Re: Gnopernicus crashes on exit. References: <20060816121407.14641.69719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060823105218.6059.82357.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Is this any better? -- Gnopernicus crashes on exit. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56585 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 23 11:56:13 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:56:13 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56585] Re: Gnopernicus crashes on exit. References: <20060816121407.14641.69719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060823115613.6128.42794.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Thanks, forwarded upstream: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352526 ** Changed in: gnopernicus (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Confirmed ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #352526 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352526 ** Also affects: gnopernicus (upstream) via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352526 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Gnopernicus crashes on exit. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56585 From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Aug 23 13:07:46 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:07:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0J4G00905CGXMPI8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, are we close to getting orca included on the dayley live cd. Have a nice day Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0634-0, 08/21/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 24 03:32:10 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:32:10 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060824033210.13507.93163.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Gdb session attached. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 24 04:19:18 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:19:18 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57535] Crash on exiting orca. References: <20060824041918.6059.49874.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060824041918.6059.49874.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Orca seems to crash upon exit. A crash report is attached. The binary that is referred to is python. ** Affects: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Crash on exiting orca. https://launchpad.net/bugs/57535 From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 24 04:21:19 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:21:19 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57535] Re: Crash on exiting orca. References: <20060824041918.6059.49874.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060824042119.13463.85130.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Crash report. -- Crash on exiting orca. https://launchpad.net/bugs/57535 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Thu Aug 24 07:24:41 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:24:41 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56585] Re: Gnopernicus crashes on exit. References: <20060816121407.14641.69719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060824072615.14701.84712.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: gnopernicus (upstream) Status: Unknown => Unconfirmed -- Gnopernicus crashes on exit. https://launchpad.net/bugs/56585 From samuel.thibault at labri.fr Wed Aug 23 17:16:19 2006 From: samuel.thibault at labri.fr (Samuel Thibault) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:16:19 +0200 Subject: [BRLTTY] Brltty on ubuntu cd In-Reply-To: <00C556E7-7A9C-4DB3-8BD3-1D4193F459DB@charter.net> References: <00C556E7-7A9C-4DB3-8BD3-1D4193F459DB@charter.net> Message-ID: <20060823171619.GW4367@implementation.labri.fr> Hi, Cheryl Homiak, le Wed 23 Aug 2006 12:09:11 -0500, a écrit : > Wasn't sure on which list this was most appropriate, so hope nobody > will mind my posting here. There is an ubuntu-accessibility lists, so I'm forwarding this. > My question is: is there a way at boot to specify the braille-driver > on the ubuntu cd? If one cuses f5 and the "blindness" choice for > accessibility, brltty will, if I understand correctly, be looking for > the braille display as a usb device. If one has a serial or usbserial > device, one needs to be able to specify this device instead. It > wasn't clear to me whether, before hitting the final "enter" for > ubuntu to start booting, there was provision for entering the brltty > driver information. Please Ubuntu guys answer this ;) Samuel From raven at macmanusnet.net Thu Aug 24 09:13:01 2006 From: raven at macmanusnet.net (Bill Hartwell) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:13:01 -0400 Subject: Voice Control? Message-ID: <200608240514.08553.raven@macmanusnet.net> Are there any voice control projects that are nearing functionality and/or are available for Ubuntu? I have recurring bouts of peripheral neuropathy, which means I frequently have days I can not type. At all. 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In-Reply-To: <200608240514.08553.raven@macmanusnet.net> References: <200608240514.08553.raven@macmanusnet.net> Message-ID: <1156462751.19728.10.camel@localhost> Hi Bill: Open Source dictation is a bit hard to come by. You might take a look at the CMU Sphinx projects: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/html/cmusphinx.php Some of the work being done for improving dictation is being done with the Eval Dictator project that is based upon Sphinx-4. The work is still underway, but there is some good promise. Will On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 05:13 -0400, Bill Hartwell wrote: > Are there any voice control projects that are nearing functionality > and/or are available for Ubuntu? > > I have recurring bouts of peripheral neuropathy, which means I > frequently have days I can not type. At all. So I'm looking for > something that works about as well as Dragon (which is far from > perfect, but at least I can use it for basic text entry and some > simple machine operations on those days I can't type). From William.Walker at Sun.COM Fri Aug 25 00:57:00 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:57:00 -0400 Subject: Questions about Orca Packages? In-Reply-To: <44EB6DC6.3040208@ubuntu.com> References: <000a01c6c544$5c000130$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44EB6DC6.3040208@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1156467421.19728.67.camel@localhost> Hi Henrik: First of all: thanks again for your continued support of Orca. :-) > Orca has been approved for main and will indeed be our default screen > reader. A few formalities remain for getting it on the CD. We will take > advice from the Orca team as to what is the best version to go with. It > will be at least as recent as the Gnome 2.16 version, and may even be > more up to date. Orca V1.0 will be what gets into GNOME 2.16. It will basically be Orca 0.9.0 plus any glaring bug fixes. We'll branch the code soon thereafter to start doing some refactoring we've been holding off on (e.g., SpeechDispatcher server inclusion, managing keystroke definition files, other key functionality from the requirements document that we haven't implemented yet, etc.). We'll also "backport" any changes from CVS HEAD to the GNOME 2.16 branch and do releases as needed. Keep in mind our main push for post-GNOME 2.16 will be Firefox 3. Web accessibility is the one major gap still left to fill, and we'll be working very hard alongside our Sun Beijing team as well as IBM to improve the AT-SPI implementation for Firefox 3. > other access topics. We are also planning to adopt the upstream patches > for the at-spi as sudo issue (as long as it doesn't break anything very > badly). Are you talking about the patches submitted to GNOME CVS or the stuff that is Ubuntu specific? Will From corey.burger at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 03:41:44 2006 From: corey.burger at gmail.com (Corey Burger) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:41:44 -0700 Subject: orca In-Reply-To: <0J4G00905CGXMPI8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J4G00905CGXMPI8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <348bd6da0608242041j4d4cc951sf80f37c73edcbd40@mail.gmail.com> Mike, I am not certain as to the timeframe, but orca is now in the repositories and so we are getting closer. Cheers, Corey On 8/23/06, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, are we close to getting orca included on the dayley live cd. > Have a nice day Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0634-0, 08/21/2006), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From henrik at ubuntu.com Fri Aug 25 08:41:19 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:41:19 +0100 Subject: Questions about Orca Packages? In-Reply-To: <1156467421.19728.67.camel@localhost> References: <000a01c6c544$5c000130$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44EB6DC6.3040208@ubuntu.com> <1156467421.19728.67.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44EEB7AF.7070106@ubuntu.com> Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Henrik: > > First of all: thanks again for your continued support of Orca. :-) > As of yesterday Orca is in Ubuntu main and is seeded for the default desktop. It should appear on default installs and the Live CD in the next few days. > Are you talking about the patches submitted to GNOME CVS or the stuff > that is Ubuntu specific? > I'm talking about these patches: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345428 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345434 - Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Fri Aug 25 08:48:06 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:48:06 +0100 Subject: orca In-Reply-To: <348bd6da0608242041j4d4cc951sf80f37c73edcbd40@mail.gmail.com> References: <0J4G00905CGXMPI8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <348bd6da0608242041j4d4cc951sf80f37c73edcbd40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44EEB946.2060107@ubuntu.com> Corey Burger wrote: > Mike, > > I am not certain as to the timeframe, but orca is now in the > repositories and so we are getting closer. > > Yes, it is in 'main' now and has been seeded for the desktop so it should appear any day now. - Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Fri Aug 25 09:18:12 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:18:12 +0100 Subject: orca In-Reply-To: <44EEB946.2060107@ubuntu.com> References: <0J4G00905CGXMPI8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <348bd6da0608242041j4d4cc951sf80f37c73edcbd40@mail.gmail.com> <44EEB946.2060107@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <44EEC054.7000700@ubuntu.com> Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Yes, it is in 'main' now and has been seeded for the desktop so it > should appear any day now. > I've put some more details on my blog: http://blog.omma.net/?p=10. It should appear on the Live CD today or tomorrow, though you'll likely need to start it from the command line for now. - Henrik From William.Walker at Sun.COM Fri Aug 25 12:41:14 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:41:14 -0400 Subject: Questions about Orca Packages? In-Reply-To: <44EEB7AF.7070106@ubuntu.com> References: <000a01c6c544$5c000130$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <44EB6DC6.3040208@ubuntu.com> <1156467421.19728.67.camel@localhost> <44EEB7AF.7070106@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1156509674.19728.101.camel@localhost> Hi Henrik: > > First of all: thanks again for your continued support of Orca. :-) > > > As of yesterday Orca is in Ubuntu main and is seeded for the default > desktop. It should appear on default installs and the Live CD in the > next few days. Woo woo! Thanks! I hope you got at least Orca V0.9.0 in there. V1.0 will be pretty close to it, modulo any major bug fixes made found since V0.9.0. > I'm talking about these patches: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345428 > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345434 Great! It will be great to get builds of these widely available for people to test. I've been the one recently throwing a wet blanket on getting them in for GNOME 2.16 because of the closeness to the GNOME 2.16 deadline. It doesn't mean I don't support the work, though. I think it's a mandatory piece of functionality and want to see it get more thoroughly tested before it is committed. Thank you, Ubuntu, for taking this on! Will From researchbase at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 15:20:10 2006 From: researchbase at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:50:10 +0530 Subject: problem: gnopernicus does not start every time ubuntu starts Message-ID: on the ubuntu 6.06.1 desktop it does not talk every thing I start ubuntu. as soon as I log in on my gnome desktop the gnopernicus menu with startup mode and preferences etc comes up. but it does not speak. infact I just herd it two times. first when I changed all things for enabling accessibility. and second when I had rebooted the next morning. after that I had powered off and rebooted many times but gnopernicus only shows up visually but no speach. I checked that my sound card is working because when I log in the startup sound can be heard. even the menu selection sound set by my sited colligue (from the theems) is working. so what could be the problem? by the way when I got gnopernicus actually talking for the first time, I tried to change the rate and pitch but it had no effect. is my sound card the problem? I am using a creative vibra 128 sound card and it is selected as cyrus logic. is that the problem? any other things you will like me to check? I don't mean to offend the developers of gnopernicus, but is orca any time better than gnopernicus? will it also work with firefox and open office and other related tooles? thanks, Krishnakant. From cerdiogenes at yahoo.com.br Sat Aug 26 00:42:47 2006 From: cerdiogenes at yahoo.com.br (Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diogenes) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:42:47 -0300 Subject: Fwd: gnome-mag's memory usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156552967.5151.4.camel@kodorna> Hi Aurelian, Are you running gnome-mag throw gnopernicus? What are the configurations that you have setted to the magnifier? Could you describe what tasks you was doing (during this half an hour) when this memory leak happened? I runned the magnifier here and stay using the magnifier during a long time (about one hour) and I don't notice any big memory consumption. Thanks, Carlos. Em Sáb, 2006-08-19 às 13:16 +0300, Aurelian Radu escreveu: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Aurelian Radu > Date: Aug 19, 2006 12:13 PM > Subject: gnome-mag's memory usage > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com, > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > > I removed the attached screenshots to comply with the 40 KB/message > limit. > > Hello, lists, > > After half an hour of using gnome-mag, memory usage for the magnifier > process increased to around 625 MB, as seen in the attached > screenshots. Is this a memory leak or is it a feature? Is this huge > cache really necessary? It is true that the magnifier process releases > some memory when needed by other applications, but the system becomes > really slow. > > Thanks, > > Aurelian Radu > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list _______________________________________________________ O Yahoo! est� de cara nova. Venha conferir! http://br.yahoo.com From michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com Sat Aug 26 00:47:36 2006 From: michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com (MICHAEL WEAVER) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:47:36 +0100 Subject: upgrading to edgy Message-ID: <44EF9A28.4000309@btinternet.com> I am thinking of upgrading to Edgy from Dapper as I only have Ubuntu Dappa on my laptop and not on my desktop. However I have a few questions. As I am using my laptop and not my desktop, my laptop has a wireless card but as I only use it where I attend my Linux groups, it doesn't have a connection for home as I don't have a wireless router so wouldn't be able to set it up with my connection to BT. My Desktop is on the Internet but doesn't have Linux on it and I presume that even Edgy doesn't talk through the installation or bleep so you can access the accessability options. How do I go about upgrading my laptop using a CD of Edgy? I presume I have to edit a file so how do I go about doing this? Also if I go through the process of upgrading from Dapa Drake to Edgy would I get spoken feedback using Orca that is running with Dapa or would I need Sighted help? From bethko at gmail.com Sat Aug 26 01:34:58 2006 From: bethko at gmail.com (Beth Koenig) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:34:58 -0700 Subject: orca In-Reply-To: <44EEC054.7000700@ubuntu.com> References: <0J4G00905CGXMPI8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <348bd6da0608242041j4d4cc951sf80f37c73edcbd40@mail.gmail.com> <44EEB946.2060107@ubuntu.com> <44EEC054.7000700@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <8ac229cc0608251834l779caaa7q767d49174d06c043@mail.gmail.com> Where can we find the live CD? I should probalay know that but my brain is having a bad day. I want to try the cd, I have been waiting a long time for Orca. I'm not a programer so I mostly focus on getting people to swich to Ubuntu. VMWare is making that even easier now as people can run windows in Ubuntu and for many gives them a nice security blanket. Thanks, Beth Koenig bethko at gmail.com On 8/25/06, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > > Yes, it is in 'main' now and has been seeded for the desktop so it > > should appear any day now. > > > > I've put some more details on my blog: http://blog.omma.net/?p=10. > > It should appear on the Live CD today or tomorrow, though you'll likely > need to start it from the command line for now. > > - Henrik > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From ricaradu at gmail.com Sat Aug 26 06:14:13 2006 From: ricaradu at gmail.com (Aurelian Radu) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:14:13 +0300 Subject: Fwd: gnome-mag's memory usage References: <1156552967.5151.4.camel@kodorna> Message-ID: <000701c6c8d6$dbd87370$bed6ba55@linbetwin> Hi, Carlos, I was using the gnome-mag and gnopernicus versions available in Ubuntu 6.06 and in SUSE Linux 10.1, so I don't think the problem is related to a specific distribution. I used gnome-mag through gnopernicus. 8x magnification factor; left = 0, right = 767, top = 540, bottom = 1023, i.e. the lower third of a 1024x768 display (color depth = 24). Crosshair: off; mouse tracking: proportional; cursor tracking: auto. I use the nvidia proprietary drivers, so I have 3D acceleration and more than 7000 FPS. At the time when I noticed this memory leak I was using mainly Firefox. When I open a new page and scroll through it, the memory usage increases, because I think gnome-mag (or maybe gnopernicus?) caches the new images it displays. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diogenes" To: "Aurelian Radu" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: gnome-mag's memory usage > Hi Aurelian, > > Are you running gnome-mag throw gnopernicus? What are the configurations > that you have setted to the magnifier? > > Could you describe what tasks you was doing (during this half an hour) > when this memory leak happened? I runned the magnifier here and stay > using the magnifier during a long time (about one hour) and I don't > notice any big memory consumption. > > Thanks, > Carlos. > > Em Sáb, 2006-08-19 às 13:16 +0300, Aurelian Radu escreveu: >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Aurelian Radu >> Date: Aug 19, 2006 12:13 PM >> Subject: gnome-mag's memory usage >> To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com, >> gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org >> >> I removed the attached screenshots to comply with the 40 KB/message >> limit. >> >> Hello, lists, >> >> After half an hour of using gnome-mag, memory usage for the magnifier >> process increased to around 625 MB, as seen in the attached >> screenshots. Is this a memory leak or is it a feature? Is this huge >> cache really necessary? It is true that the magnifier process releases >> some memory when needed by other applications, but the system becomes >> really slow. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aurelian Radu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list >> gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > O Yahoo! est de cara nova. Venha conferir! > http://br.yahoo.com > From j-diggs at comcast.net Sat Aug 26 17:06:03 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:06:03 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060826170603.17263.4800.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> I also have this problem periodically, and I don't have /etc/xdg/menus /debian-menu.menu either. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From krister at kristersplace.ws Sat Aug 26 17:42:27 2006 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:42:27 +0200 Subject: A really newbyish question - can't start live cd Message-ID: <44F08803.5010909@kristersplace.ws> Hi to all the Dapper Drake gurus out there in Ubuntuland. I'm trying to start the live cd of Ubuntu 6.06.1 with accessibility options for "blindness" enabled. When i try to start the live cd, however, nothing happens. Ubuntu doesn't come up talking, or whatever it's supposed to do. What's more is that it doesn't seem to start Gnome at all, because when i did an alt+4 i got a text console. I know this because i got beeps when i tried moving arrows or backspaced. Since i don't have any sighted help around, i don't have a clue as to what error message that gets produced, if any. The machine i'm trying to use is an IBM Netvista with a built-in Intel graphics card, (don't know the model) and 2.4 Gig pentium processor and one 120 gig and one 40 gig hard drive and 512 meg of ram and a Soundblaster Live! old sound card. A friend of mine suggested that X didn't start right, and in that case i'm at a loss as to what to do since i'm a non-programmer and so am unsure if i can make any modifications whatsoever. I'm thankful for any help you can provide and i'm really sorry if the questions are newbie ones but i'm a newbie to this distro. Thanks again -- /Krister From cerdiogenes at yahoo.com.br Sun Aug 27 01:08:30 2006 From: cerdiogenes at yahoo.com.br (Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diogenes) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:08:30 -0300 Subject: Fwd: gnome-mag's memory usage In-Reply-To: <000701c6c8d6$dbd87370$bed6ba55@linbetwin> References: <1156552967.5151.4.camel@kodorna> <000701c6c8d6$dbd87370$bed6ba55@linbetwin> Message-ID: <1156640910.6594.4.camel@kodorna> Hi Aurelian, Thanks by the informations. I think that during this week will be possible to look at it. I will inform about any progress in the solution of this problem. Best regards, Carlos. Em Sáb, 2006-08-26 às 09:14 +0300, Aurelian Radu escreveu: > Hi, Carlos, > > I was using the gnome-mag and gnopernicus versions available in Ubuntu 6.06 > and in SUSE Linux 10.1, so I don't think the problem is related to a > specific distribution. I used gnome-mag through gnopernicus. 8x > magnification factor; left = 0, right = 767, top = 540, bottom = 1023, i.e. > the lower third of a 1024x768 display (color depth = 24). Crosshair: off; > mouse tracking: proportional; cursor tracking: auto. I use the nvidia > proprietary drivers, so I have 3D acceleration and more than 7000 FPS. > > At the time when I noticed this memory leak I was using mainly Firefox. When > I open a new page and scroll through it, the memory usage increases, because > I think gnome-mag (or maybe gnopernicus?) caches the new images it displays. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diogenes" > To: "Aurelian Radu" > Cc: ; > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:42 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: gnome-mag's memory usage > > > > Hi Aurelian, > > > > Are you running gnome-mag throw gnopernicus? What are the configurations > > that you have setted to the magnifier? > > > > Could you describe what tasks you was doing (during this half an hour) > > when this memory leak happened? I runned the magnifier here and stay > > using the magnifier during a long time (about one hour) and I don't > > notice any big memory consumption. > > > > Thanks, > > Carlos. > > > > Em Sáb, 2006-08-19 às 13:16 +0300, Aurelian Radu escreveu: > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Aurelian Radu > >> Date: Aug 19, 2006 12:13 PM > >> Subject: gnome-mag's memory usage > >> To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com, > >> gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > >> > >> I removed the attached screenshots to comply with the 40 KB/message > >> limit. > >> > >> Hello, lists, > >> > >> After half an hour of using gnome-mag, memory usage for the magnifier > >> process increased to around 625 MB, as seen in the attached > >> screenshots. Is this a memory leak or is it a feature? Is this huge > >> cache really necessary? It is true that the magnifier process releases > >> some memory when needed by other applications, but the system becomes > >> really slow. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Aurelian Radu > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >> gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > O Yahoo! est de cara nova. Venha conferir! > > http://br.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________________ O Yahoo! est� de cara nova. Venha conferir! http://br.yahoo.com From researchbase at gmail.com Sun Aug 27 05:27:16 2006 From: researchbase at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:57:16 +0530 Subject: given up on gnopernicus, going to try orca any suggestions? Message-ID: hello all, I think henrik and the rest of the team is doing a pritty wonderful job for making ubuntu and for that matter gnu/ linux accessible. I had posted an email on this mailing list regarding my problem with gnopernicus. I had also put this as a thread on the ubuntu forums. but since there has been no hint what so ever, I believe that this is probably a bug in gnopernicus so I am thinking of shifting to orca. I would have loved to fix this problem but for that I need speach which gnopernicus is not giving although I have festival installed. now the very basic thing is how I get orca running. I haven't been able to get my ubuntu box connect with the internet. can some one kindly tell me what all packages are required along with orca that I must download? Please also let me know the url where I can get these packages. and if possible any setup instructions I need to follow. thanks all Krishnakant. From bruce.cowan at dsl.pipex.com Sat Aug 26 14:54:50 2006 From: bruce.cowan at dsl.pipex.com (Bruce Cowan) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:54:50 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060826145450.5486.32111.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> I have this problem (AT-SPI crashes on boot), and I do not have /etc/xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From ivoks at ubuntu.com Sat Aug 26 19:54:49 2006 From: ivoks at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ante_Karamati=C4=87?=) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:54:49 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060826195449.5486.67505.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> I think Orca is causing it's crash on my machine. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From ivoks at ubuntu.com Sat Aug 26 19:56:19 2006 From: ivoks at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ante_Karamati=C4=87?=) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:56:19 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060826195619.5577.39517.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Wrong assumption, ignore it. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From andy at andrewprice.me.uk Sun Aug 27 00:19:10 2006 From: andy at andrewprice.me.uk (Andy Price) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:19:10 -0000 Subject: [Bug 45336] Re: gok's applications menu entry does not get removed on uninstall References: <20060518012441.28160.29248.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060827001911.17097.51678.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Closing this bug as i cannot reproduce it on an up-to-date dapper install. ** Changed in: gok (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Rejected -- gok's applications menu entry does not get removed on uninstall https://launchpad.net/bugs/45336 From ivoks at ubuntu.com Sun Aug 27 07:08:50 2006 From: ivoks at ubuntu.com (=?utf-8?q?Ante_Karamati=C4=87?=) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:08:50 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060827070850.17097.62001.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From krister at kristersplace.ws Sun Aug 27 13:01:16 2006 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:01:16 +0200 Subject: Another update on the non-starting Ubuntu 6.06.1 cd Message-ID: <44F1979C.3000605@kristersplace.ws> Hi folks, I managed to start Brltty in a shell and could see the error message that X produced. Turns out that X thinks i have a non-standard screen, which i have. That is, my screen seems not to be supported. Is there any start parameter somewhere that one could use in order to get a more generic setting for screen depths etc? Thanks -- /Krister From henrik at ubuntu.com Mon Aug 28 08:32:36 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 04:32:36 -0400 Subject: Orca on the Live CD (really) Message-ID: <44F2AA24.80209@ubuntu.com> Hi, To all those who have been waiting patiently to try Orca: it has now finally made its way to the live CD (!). The proof is in the CD manifest here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/edgy-desktop-i386.manifest We are still having some overflow issues so the AMD64 and PPC versions look over-sized and cannot be burned to CD, but i386 looks ok. Get it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ I'm just downloading it to test myself, but I'm assuming you have to start Orca from the command line. Don't rely on the Live CD boot option magic working at this point. Try: * Booting normally * Alt-F2 followed by 'gnome-terminal' Enter (or have the Alt-F2 run issues been fixed?) * Enter 'orca' and go through the setup * Press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the gnome session * Wait 30-40 seconds for it to log itself in again automatically * Repeat the steps to start Orca Please report any issues here, in Malone or in the forums section: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=145 - Henrik From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Aug 28 12:14:10 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:14:10 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060828121410.5486.90713.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Thanks Luke for your backtrace, I forwarded it upstream. It's still lacking orbit and bonobo debug symbols, but let's see what upstream says about it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353226 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #353226 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353226 ** Also affects: at-spi (upstream) via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353226 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Aug 28 13:31:18 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:31:18 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060828133118.17097.88224.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Comment #1 from bill.haneman at sun.com (at-spi developer, points: 23) 2006-08-28 13:29 UTC [reply] Look at this fragment (from above): #7 0xb77cbeae in IA__g_signal_emit (instance=0x805f690, signal_id=18, detail=0) at gsignal.c:2241 #8 0x0804c219 in spi_desktop_remove_application (desktop=0x805f690, app_ref=0x8088c88) at desktop.c:353 #9 0x0804bf11 in abnormal_application_termination (object=0x8070908, app=0x8090550) at desktop.c:278 #10 0xb7e2bd74 in link_connection_get_type () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #11 0xb7e2bdc4 in link_connection_get_type () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #12 0xb7e2c24c in link_connection_disconnect () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #13 0xb7e2c303 in link_connection_state_changed () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #14 0xb7e1092d in giop_connection_handle_input () from /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0 #15 0xb7e2c71d in link_connection_state_changed () from Looks like some other app is crashing weirdly with a bad connection to at-spi-registryd. What app is that? This problem seems like it's distro-specific, I suspect a config problem, as no similar crashing behavior is reported. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Aug 28 14:25:48 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:25:48 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060828142548.5577.79089.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Comment #3 from bill.haneman at sun.com (at-spi developer, points: 23) 2006-08-28 13:57 UTC [reply] Hi Daniel: Yes we've heard that Edgy has problems with a11y but we don't know what's wrong yet. The "application" crash I refer to doesn't appear to be an assistive technology but it might be, hard to know. But in any case I doubt that the stack trace above points to the root cause. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From j-diggs at comcast.net Mon Aug 28 17:00:12 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:00:12 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060828170012.17263.15083.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Since the behavior has been seemingly unpredictable, I took some time today trying to reliably reproduce it. Here's what I have come up with. Not sure if it helps.... 1. Boot 2. Launch Orca from the Applications menu 3. Quit Orca with Insert Q At this point Python crashes (attempted to get a backtrace -- attached). 90% of the time, At-spi-registryd does not immediately crash (no dialog; nothing appearing in /var/crash). The other 10% of the time it does. 4. Reboot at-spi-registryd crashes (log appears in /var/crash). I can reliably reproduce this on two machines. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Aug 28 23:26:29 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:26:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0J4Q008F5EG4ASP2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, has anyone else tried the live CD with orca. It doesn't seem to work. I even had my daughter click on orca to start it. It says enter y or n but there is no message on the screen, and pressing y or n does nothing. Restarting gnome and then orca only gives the same message. Any ideas. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-1, 08/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 29 02:52:28 2006 From: michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com (MICHAEL WEAVER) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:52:28 +0100 Subject: upgrading ubuntu and getting speech Message-ID: <44F3ABEC.5050401@btinternet.com> Can I upgrade Ubuntu Dappa to Ubuntu Edgy from the Edgy CD I have burned and if so can I do it and still get speech during the process? If so how can I do it? I ask as my Linux system isn't connected to the Internet at home. From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Tue Aug 29 07:41:38 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:41:38 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060829074226.28150.37201.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: at-spi (upstream) Status: Unknown => Needs Info -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 29 09:39:49 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:39:49 +0100 Subject: upgrading ubuntu and getting speech In-Reply-To: <44F3ABEC.5050401@btinternet.com> References: <44F3ABEC.5050401@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <44F40B65.50405@ubuntu.com> MICHAEL WEAVER wrote: > Can I upgrade Ubuntu Dappa to Ubuntu Edgy from the Edgy CD I have burned > and if so can I do it and still get speech during the process? > If so how can I do it? > I ask as my Linux system isn't connected to the Internet at home. > You can only really do an update if you have a separate home directory or if you have copied your data to a backup first. The live CD and install process will run with voice output (though there may be some quirks in the install -- please report any you find) I've written up some basic Orca-on-Edgy instructions here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246334 - Henrik From krister at kristersplace.ws Tue Aug 29 09:44:31 2006 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:44:31 +0200 Subject: Found my live cd problem, now a question Message-ID: <44F40C7F.4090802@kristersplace.ws> Hi, Krister here. I wrote to the list and asked a couple days back about a problem i had when starting up the Ubuntu live cd. It looked like X didn't start correctly. It turned out that it didn't, because it uses a screen depth apparently not supported by my screen. It wanted to use 24-bit color, but my screen wants to use 16-bit color, so my question is: Is there a way to change the screen depth from the boot prompt thingy and if so, how? Thanks a lot for any answer. -- /Krister From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 29 09:53:50 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:53:50 +0100 Subject: Running Orca on the Edgy Live CD -- HOWTO Message-ID: <44F40EAE.5030800@ubuntu.com> Hi all, Sorry for cross-posting. I've seen questions about this on all three lists though, so I felt it appropriate. I've written up a fairly detailed HOWTO in the Ubuntu forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246334 Please comment with your experiences and on how it could be improved. - Henrik From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 29 11:49:53 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:49:53 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57535] Re: Crash on exiting orca. References: <20060824041918.6059.49874.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060829114953.5486.42360.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Looks like this could be forwarded upstream. ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Medium -- Crash on exiting orca. https://launchpad.net/bugs/57535 From michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 29 13:10:28 2006 From: michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com (MICHAEL WEAVER) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:10:28 +0100 Subject: problem with edgy CD Message-ID: <44F43CC4.1060800@btinternet.com> I have got the Live CD from the URL suggested by Henric. However for some reason when I boot, the disk churns around for a bit and I don't get the Ubuntu sound when running Live. I look at the disk or tried to in Windows and all I see is disk tree or something like that. I can't seem to be able to find any other files. Could this be why I am having trouble booting into edgy? From themuso at themuso.com Tue Aug 29 13:24:13 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:24:13 +1000 Subject: problem with edgy CD In-Reply-To: <44F43CC4.1060800@btinternet.com> References: <44F43CC4.1060800@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <20060829132413.GA4845@themuso.com> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 11:10:28PM EST, MICHAEL WEAVER wrote: > I have got the Live CD from the URL suggested by Henric. > However for some reason when I boot, the disk churns around for a bit > and I don't get the Ubuntu sound when running Live. > I look at the disk or tried to in Windows and all I see is disk tree or > something like that. With the URL Henrik provided, there is always a chance that the CDs won't work, as these CDs are generated daily, from the current state of the archive, which means that things can be broken, and often are. I believe the next test release is not too far off, so unless you are willing to keep downloading daily CD images to try them out, I suggest you wait for that test release, to be sure you will get at least a mostly working CD. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 29 13:51:54 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:51:54 +0100 Subject: problem with edgy CD In-Reply-To: <20060829132413.GA4845@themuso.com> References: <44F43CC4.1060800@btinternet.com> <20060829132413.GA4845@themuso.com> Message-ID: <44F4467A.1020905@ubuntu.com> Luke Yelavich wrote: > > > With the URL Henrik provided, there is always a chance that the CDs > won't work, as these CDs are generated daily, from the current state of > the archive, which means that things can be broken, and often are. > > That's true. I think the next 'Knot CD' will be out Thursday or Friday. FYI: The one I downloaded was the Aug. 28 one, which was not oversized on i386 (690MB) and ran fine. The disctree directory stuff you are seeing in Windows is the Windows-FOSS that is also on the disc. - Henrik From Rich.Burridge at Sun.COM Tue Aug 29 14:16:13 2006 From: Rich.Burridge at Sun.COM (Rich Burridge) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:16:13 -0700 Subject: Orca Running on the Edgy Live CD -- HOWTO In-Reply-To: <44F40EAE.5030800@ubuntu.com> References: <44F40EAE.5030800@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <44F44C2D.1030604@sun.com> Hi Henrik, > Sorry for cross-posting. I've seen questions about this on all three > lists though, so I felt it appropriate. > > > I've written up a fairly detailed HOWTO in the Ubuntu forums: > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246334 > > Please comment with your experiences and on how it could be improved. > I created and used the Edgy Live CD yesterday. (and blogged about it: http://blogs.sun.com/richb/entry/orca_on_ubuntu_edgy_live ) I didn't have the benefit of your HOWTO, but I did everything you suggested albeit in a different way (with thanks to Mike Pedersen for his help). Here's some comments: * First a minor spelling nit. You have "wring" when you mean "wrong". * I used Control-Alt-F1 to bring up a virtual console to do the initial run of Orca. It's less to type blindly then Alt-F2 and "gnome-terminal" and "orca". Alt-F7 to get back to your desktop. Control-Alt-Backspace as you suggest to logout. * I logged back in and started up Orca, but then had real problems with none of the applications I tried starting up. Visually the little wheel icon would "spin" and there would be a "Starting " tab in the gnome-panel but the application would not come up on the screen. By going back to the virtual console, I could see that the app was running. I "solved" this by logging out again, then at the login prompt, rather than wait the ten seconds or so for the live CD to automatically startup, I hit Return. After the desktop was shown, I started up Orca again, and this time the apps would start up nicely and be spoken by Orca. This live CD is *really* impressive Henrik. Many thanks to you and your team for putting it together. From William.Walker at Sun.COM Tue Aug 29 14:48:33 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:48:33 -0400 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently In-Reply-To: <20060828170012.17263.15083.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060828170012.17263.15083.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1156862914.10294.57.camel@localhost> > 1. Boot > 2. Launch Orca from the Applications menu > 3. Quit Orca with Insert Q > > At this point Python crashes (attempted to get a backtrace -- attached). This problem has (hopefully) been fixed in pyorbit 2.14.1. I notice that the package that comes with Edgy is pyorbit 2.14.0, so this is likely why we still see the SEGV when Orca exits. Will From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Aug 29 16:06:18 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:06:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0J4R00KO4OQHCZS8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I used the terminal but something else must come up because orca didn't start. One time I pressed alt tab and typed orca and it came up. However when I started gnome again it didn't no matter what I did so I must not be at a commend prompt when terminal starts. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-1, 08/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Any ideas. Thanks Mike. From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Aug 29 18:10:56 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanmarie Diggs) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:10:56 -0400 Subject: Orca Running on the Edgy Live CD -- HOWTO In-Reply-To: <44F44C2D.1030604@sun.com> References: <44F40EAE.5030800@ubuntu.com> <44F44C2D.1030604@sun.com> Message-ID: <1156875056.5124.18.camel@blockhead> Hi all. Henrik, this is awesome! Thanks for doing it!! Minor suggestions: 1. Include a statement about the current need to use a *32-bit* Live CD rather than the 64-bit one. 2. Under step 4 (exploring the Ubuntu menus) and/or step 5 (installing Ubuntu), perhaps mention the relevant command just to get the person to the menus and/or the desktop. 3. Somewhere possibly include a link to the current GNOME Desktop Accessibility Guide. I've found the keyboard navigation section to be quite helpful. Regarding Rich's observations: > * I used Control-Alt-F1 to bring up a virtual console to do the initial > run of Orca. It's less to type blindly then Alt-F2 and "gnome-terminal" > and "orca". Alt-F7 to get back to your desktop. Control-Alt-Backspace > as you suggest to logout. I agree that this is easier and less likely to result in mistakes. If there is value in sticking with Alt-F2 for the sake of consistency, what about checking the "Run in terminal" checkbox after typing "orca" and before pressing Enter? > * I logged back in and started up Orca, but then had real problems with > none of the applications I tried starting up. Visually the little I initially had the same problem and found the same solution to work. Now I cannot reproduce it to save my life... I do consistently get an error dialog at this point indicating that the GNOME Settings Daemon could not be started, but in my limited testing it doesn't *seem* to be problematic. > This live CD is *really* impressive Henrik. Many thanks to you and your > team for putting it together. I agree. Thanks again! Joanie From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Aug 29 21:03:04 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:03:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0J4S0047T2H4EN5B@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Ok, I can get to the setup process, but when I log back in orca doesn't start. also when I reboot the computer sometimes orca lets me do the setup process and sometimes it doesn't speak at all. I used both ways the ctrl alt f1 and the way of going to the terminal to run it. Any ideas. My CD is from yesterday, could there be a problem with it. Thanks Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Aug 29 23:10:49 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0J4S00KF68E0UZU8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried the CD on another computer and it worked. I couldn't get speech for install, but I was able to read menus, and edit text. Looks pretty good. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-1, 08/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Aug 30 03:49:39 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:49:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0J4S00K3HLAQUZR9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, is the version of orca on the live cd the latest version as of this week. >From the few programs I opened with it things look pretty good. The only one that crashed was the movie player and the install didn't speak. But it is definitly on it's way to being a very good operating system for the blind. It seems it works on some computers and not on others at this time. Keep up the good work. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-1, 08/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From baptiste.millemathias at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 06:05:17 2006 From: baptiste.millemathias at gmail.com (Baptiste Mille-Mathias) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:05:17 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060830060517.17263.42455.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Crash here too -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 30 08:31:23 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:31:23 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1156926683.5017.3.camel@localhost> Hey Will, Am Dienstag, den 29.08.2006, 10:48 -0400 schrieb Willie Walker: > This problem has (hopefully) been fixed in pyorbit 2.14.1. I notice > that the package that comes with Edgy is pyorbit 2.14.0, so this is > likely why we still see the SEGV when Orca exits. thanks a lot for pointing out. I wonder why it wasn't on the GNOME release list (or why I missed it). Can everybody having the crash try with the new pyorbit (once it is in the archive)? Have a nice day, Daniel -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From William.Walker at Sun.COM Wed Aug 30 13:24:39 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:24:39 -0400 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently In-Reply-To: <1156926683.5017.3.camel@localhost> References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <1156926683.5017.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1156944279.16741.45.camel@localhost> Hi Daniel: You Ubuntu guys are usually very good about keeping things up to date, so I got a bit nervous. I took a look at the GNOME 2.16 release candidate tarball version numbers in both GARNOME 2.15.92 and http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/releng/2.15.92/gnome-2.15.92.modules. It looks like pyorbit 2.14.1 is listed in there, so this must've just been a slight oversight. Glad we caught it! Thanks and thanks again for all your support for Orca, Will > Am Dienstag, den 29.08.2006, 10:48 -0400 schrieb Willie Walker: > > This problem has (hopefully) been fixed in pyorbit 2.14.1. I notice > > that the package that comes with Edgy is pyorbit 2.14.0, so this is > > likely why we still see the SEGV when Orca exits. > > thanks a lot for pointing out. I wonder why it wasn't on the GNOME > release list (or why I missed it). > > Can everybody having the crash try with the new pyorbit (once it is in > the archive)? > > Have a nice day, > Daniel > > -- > Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently > https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 > From William.Walker at Sun.COM Wed Aug 30 13:36:38 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:36:38 -0400 Subject: orca In-Reply-To: <0J4S00K3HLAQUZR9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J4S00K3HLAQUZR9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1156944998.16741.54.camel@localhost> Yeah! I've been watching your efforts over the past few days. Thanks for being on the bleeding edge. I'm glad you stuck with it and got things going. Thanks also to the Orca and Ubuntu communities for helping! Based upon the discussion, we just made a couple changes to the Orca code base that hopefully address the major confusing issues you ran into. We prayed to the GNOME 2.16 release gods to let us get them in, and they approved. So...your questions really helped out here and should hopefully help others avoid the same problems when they use Orca V1.0 (due any day now!!!). Thanks! Will (Orca project lead) On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 22:49 -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, is the version of orca on the live cd the latest version as of this week. > From the few programs I opened with it things look pretty good. > The only one that crashed was the movie player and the install didn't speak. > But it is definitly on it's way to being a very good operating system for the blind. > It seems it works on some computers and not on others at this time. > Keep up the good work. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-1, 08/28/2006), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > From nits555 at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 14:52:33 2006 From: nits555 at gmail.com (Nitin Sharma) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:52:33 -0500 Subject: Hello from Nitin Sharma Message-ID: Hello, I have just joined the "Ubuntu Accessibility Team" and hope to have a great time assisting the other team members in any tasks identified for me. A bit about myself - I am currently pursuing an M.S program, prior to which I worked for 3 years as software engineer. I've worked primarily on Java/J2EE Technologies and Oracle. I have also worked discretely on C++ and Informatica (Business Intelligence tool). Once again, I would be happy to provide my services to the team on tasks identified for me. Thanks, Nitin. From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Aug 30 15:21:27 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0J4T00B85HBQBQI9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Hi when my daughter looked at my screen on the computer orca didn't work on she said the color was off. So part of the problem with some computers may be that the operating system is hanging if it doesn't find the right driver for a video card. Is it possible to connect to a wireless network using this system. I heard network servers but didn't see a way to find them. One other thing, I saw power management, but it didn't say how many minutes it just gave a percent. It would be nice to hear the actual minutes. Have a nice day Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-2, 08/30/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Aug 30 16:01:11 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:01:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: idea Message-ID: <0J4T009K0J5Z1HF2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi I don't know how hard this would be to do, but a few of us who can't see still use dos at times. Would it be possible to add dosemu to the CD and get speech. One other thing, are there any voice settings for orca. If there are how do you get to them. Have a nice day Mike. From alpuzz at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 18:46:54 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:46:54 -0400 Subject: Problem with Keyring? (was, Re: Orca problems with evolution) References: <44EF6312.7070601@cocenter.org> <1156771595.16611.1.camel@localhost><44F2F02A.8080008@earthlink.net><1156772823.16611.10.camel@localhost> <44F33DF8.6030909@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003801c6cc64$ac806790$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, After discussing this issue with a few folks and playing around a bit, I've been able to reproduce it myself. It seems that it only occurs if the remember password box is checked, and it appears that it may be related to Ubuntu's recent implementation of keyring password management in Evolution. Can anyone confirm this? Orca completely hangs, so I'm not sure how to go about testing this effectively. --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Orca problems with evolution > Hi, > > Willie Walker wrote: >> I need help understanding what "freeze" means. >> > > Oh, sorry. I'll clarify that for you shortly. > >> Does a bug buddy or crash dialog appear? >> >> > No, unfortunately I get nothing. It just says that my password wasn't > excepted, and then all speech goes dead. > >> Do other applications appear to function properly? >> > > Yes, they do. Evolution is the main exception to the rule that doesn't > seam to be working properly on my Ubuntu computer. > >> Does the mouse cursor still move? >> >> > I think so. I can't really see the screen so can't be sure, but I > believe it still moves. > >> If you kill the evolution process, do things come back to life? >> >> > Yes, they do. Once evolution goes it frees up the system, and things > return back to normal operation. > >> If you restart Orca, does the system come back to life? >> > > Yeah, it does. > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com Thu Aug 31 02:05:37 2006 From: michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com (MICHAEL WEAVER) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:05:37 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu on my desktop Message-ID: <44F643F1.50100@btinternet.com> I am thinking about having Ubuntu installed on my desktop. What I would like to know is what applications does Orca work with as I will only have access to the Gui based applications unless there are text based ones I can use as well? What I mean is would I have access to Linux DVD players etc? I ask this as someone who found Emacspeak a bit difficult and as Speakup is not yet part of Ubuntu yet.