From themuso at themuso.com Tue Jan 3 06:31:04 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:31:04 +1100 Subject: Next meeting? Message-ID: <20060103063103.GA31832@localhost.localdomain> Hi all I hope you all enjoyed your Christmas/New year break. Just wondering when everybody will be available for the next meeting? Going by our two weekly schedule, it would be this Wednesday, however it is probably too late to organise that now, and there is a possibility that a number of people won't be able to make it. So feel free to make some suggestions. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 3 10:26:41 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:26:41 +0000 Subject: Next meeting? In-Reply-To: <20060103063103.GA31832@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060103063103.GA31832@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43BA5161.8080202@ubuntu.com> Luke Yelavich wrote: >Hi all >I hope you all enjoyed your Christmas/New year break. > >Just wondering when everybody will be available for the next meeting? >Going by our two weekly schedule, it would be this Wednesday, however it >is probably too late to organise that now, and there is a possibility >that a number of people won't be able to make it. > It's probably also the case that not enough has happened to warrant a new meeting just. I suggest we just insert a leap-week into our normal bi-weekly schedule, resulting in a new merting on Wed. Jan. 11th. - Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 3 14:02:40 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:02:40 +0000 Subject: Ubuntu Express Accessibility Message-ID: <43BA8400.2010707@ubuntu.com> Hi, I've reworked the Ubuntu Express Accessibility page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/Accessibility after chatting with Colin about it before Xmas. The main focus will be on the gfxboot stage which boots the Live CD session. If that Live CD session can be furnished with assistive tools then we are a good part of the way to providing an accessible install path. We now need to work out in detail which packages and configuration files need to be installed for each setting. Please add specific package names to that page for those cases you are familiar with and attach config files where that is warranted. Thanks. - Henrik From jasongrieves at hotmail.com Tue Jan 3 23:08:14 2006 From: jasongrieves at hotmail.com (Jason Grieves) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:08:14 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu Express Accessibility In-Reply-To: <43BA8400.2010707@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: Great. It looks like the last part may have been cut off? "This extra window" I will be happy to work on some of the low vision configuration/packages needed. I didn't know if you had a template up yet, or else I will throw up a table with |v1|packages needed|configuration needed| Something like that? My friend Steve Kannel (20/1700) and I (20/200-20/400) are spending a lot longer on the gnome-mag review than I originally planned. I would rather this document be complete and well thought out/tested. As requested, we will be doing some comparison with Zoomtext. Steve has also found some success with using Vmware + linux + Zoomtext for testing and learning of linux. This was a good way to put him through installation/start-up of AT tools. The date for the next meeting sounds good to me. Looking forward to working with you all more, Jason Grieves -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Henrik Nilsen Omma Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:03 AM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Cc: Colin Watson Subject: Ubuntu Express Accessibility Hi, I've reworked the Ubuntu Express Accessibility page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/Accessibility after chatting with Colin about it before Xmas. The main focus will be on the gfxboot stage which boots the Live CD session. If that Live CD session can be furnished with assistive tools then we are a good part of the way to providing an accessible install path. We now need to work out in detail which packages and configuration files need to be installed for each setting. Please add specific package names to that page for those cases you are familiar with and attach config files where that is warranted. Thanks. - Henrik -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From themuso at themuso.com Wed Jan 4 10:09:39 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:09:39 +1100 Subject: Next meeting? In-Reply-To: <43BA5161.8080202@ubuntu.com> References: <20060103063103.GA31832@localhost.localdomain> <43BA5161.8080202@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060104100939.GA27284@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 09:26:41PM EST, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > >Hi all > >I hope you all enjoyed your Christmas/New year break. > > > >Just wondering when everybody will be available for the next meeting? > >Going by our two weekly schedule, it would be this Wednesday, however it > >is probably too late to organise that now, and there is a possibility > >that a number of people won't be able to make it. > > > It's probably also the case that not enough has happened to warrant a > new meeting just. I suggest we just insert a leap-week into our normal > bi-weekly schedule, resulting in a new merting on Wed. Jan. 11th. Sounds fine. It works out better for me anyway, as I am going to be away in a couple of weeks, and won't miss a meeting. :) -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From themuso at themuso.com Mon Jan 9 12:22:04 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:22:04 +1100 Subject: Meeting this week? Message-ID: <20060109122204.GA495@localhost.localdomain> Hi all Is everybody ok for a meeting some time this week? Even though nothing much may have happened, we still need to progress forward, particularly since upstream version freeze is not that far away. Suggestions for the meeting time ar ewelcome. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From henrik at ubuntu.com Mon Jan 9 20:21:44 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:21:44 +0000 Subject: Meeting this week? In-Reply-To: <20060109122204.GA495@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060109122204.GA495@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43C2C5D8.8010908@ubuntu.com> Luke Yelavich wrote: >Hi all >Is everybody ok for a meeting some time this week? Even though nothing >much may have happened, we still need to progress forward, particularly >since upstream version freeze is not that far away. > > Yeah, I've been quite busy with the new website roll-out. The upstream version freeze is a good point. Do we have an overview of which versions of 'our' applications have gone into dapper, and which ones have significant updates available in upstream? Looks like this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/NewSoftware still has a lot of TODOs. As for the time, I guess 14 and 19 UTC are the usual choices. I'm fine either way. 19 if I had to pick one. - Henrik From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Jan 9 20:54:47 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:54:47 +0100 Subject: Meeting this week? In-Reply-To: <43C2C5D8.8010908@ubuntu.com> References: <20060109122204.GA495@localhost.localdomain> <43C2C5D8.8010908@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1136840088.7367.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, Am Montag, den 09.01.2006, 20:21 +0000 schrieb Henrik Nilsen Omma: > Luke Yelavich wrote: > > Do we have an overview of which versions > of 'our' applications have gone into dapper, and which ones have > significant updates available in upstream? > > Looks like this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/NewSoftware > still has a lot of TODOs. NEW packages (which never were in Ubuntu before) can wait until FeatureFreeze - package updates have to be done before (or need exceptions). 'gnopernicus' is still a problematic case, since it needs a newer brltty, which has some big changes. I think I'm going to upload them - if stuff breaks too hard, we can still roll back. I'd still need testers (since I don't have any Braille devices), but I'll make that a separate call on the list. > As for the time, I guess 14 and 19 UTC are the usual choices. I'm fine > either way. 19 if I had to pick one. Same here. Have a nice day, Daniel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From jasongrieves at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 20:17:55 2006 From: jasongrieves at hotmail.com (Jason Grieves) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:17:55 -0500 Subject: Meeting this week? In-Reply-To: <1136840088.7367.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hello, 19 works better for me. I am afraid I don't have any Braille devices for testing. I have built latest gnopernicus 1.0 and tested with freetts/newest gnome-mag packages. My testing seemed to be ok. Changelogs show some improvements in Braille and aesthetics. Doesn't gnopernicus get updated in gnome development? It is part of the gnome desktop tree no? I suppose debian/ubuntu handles non-critical gnome packages differently, but I believe gnome brought gnopernicus into the tree around 2.4. Jason Grieves -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Holbach Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:55 PM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Meeting this week? Hello, Am Montag, den 09.01.2006, 20:21 +0000 schrieb Henrik Nilsen Omma: > Luke Yelavich wrote: > > Do we have an overview of which versions > of 'our' applications have gone into dapper, and which ones have > significant updates available in upstream? > > Looks like this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/NewSoftware > still has a lot of TODOs. NEW packages (which never were in Ubuntu before) can wait until FeatureFreeze - package updates have to be done before (or need exceptions). 'gnopernicus' is still a problematic case, since it needs a newer brltty, which has some big changes. I think I'm going to upload them - if stuff breaks too hard, we can still roll back. I'd still need testers (since I don't have any Braille devices), but I'll make that a separate call on the list. > As for the time, I guess 14 and 19 UTC are the usual choices. I'm fine > either way. 19 if I had to pick one. Same here. Have a nice day, Daniel From henrik at ubuntu.com Wed Jan 11 13:00:04 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:00:04 +0000 Subject: Meeting this week? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C50154.3030000@ubuntu.com> Jason Grieves wrote: >Hello, > >19 works better for me. > OK, so 19.00 UTC it is then. Please add your agenda items to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda - Henrik From themuso at themuso.com Thu Jan 12 01:49:44 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:49:44 +1100 Subject: Meeting this week? In-Reply-To: <43C50154.3030000@ubuntu.com> References: <43C50154.3030000@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060112014944.GA15875@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 12:00:04AM EST, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Jason Grieves wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >19 works better for me. > > > OK, so 19.00 UTC it is then. Please add your agenda items to: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda The time mentioned on the above linked page has past. Is the meeting today Thursday instead? If so, I will be unable to make the meeting, due to something that has come up. Apologies. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From themuso at themuso.com Sun Jan 22 11:07:29 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:07:29 +1100 Subject: Goings on in the Ubuntu a11y team? Message-ID: <20060122110729.GA11698@localhost.localdomain> Hi all As you may or may not have been aware, I was away for just under a week. I see this list hasn't had any activity in that time, but perhaps people have been busy. I am wondering whether anybody has done anything towares improving the a11y wiki pages/docs etc, if so, please let us all know, as I haven't yet had time to check the wiki. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From earl.johnson at sun.com Tue Jan 24 18:38:49 2006 From: earl.johnson at sun.com (earl johnson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:38:49 -0800 Subject: Gentle Reminder: Request for Review: FSG Keyboard Access Specifications Message-ID: <43D67439.2000009@sun.com> Greetings; A gentle reminder that our Jan 31 deadline for comments is quickly approaching -- The Free Standards Group Accessibility (FSGA) team needs your help to insure our standards are appropriate and complete. These specification documents provide for a basic level of keyboard accessibility support users will be able to expect from any FSG certified Linux based computing platform. Feedback is definetly encouraged and welcome. Keyboard Access Functional Specification: http://accessibility.freestandards.org/a11yspecs/kbd/xkbdreview.html Generic Assertions for Manual Testing: http://accessibility.freestandards.org/a11yspecs/kbd/assertsreview.html Earl Johnson, FSGA-KBD Committee Chair Earl.JohnsonSun.COM Janina Sajka, FSGA Chair janinaFreeStandards.Org -------- Original Message -------- December 18, 2005 The Free Standards Group Accessibility Workgroup (FSGA) works to develop standards supporting comprehensive access to information and user interfaces for persons with disabilities on computing platforms which adopt free and open standards (such as Linux, AIX, and Solaris). The FSGA standards process is open to interested members of industry, developer, and consumer communities. Obtaining public comment on our proposed standards before they are finalized is one of the most important steps in our process. Public review helps ensure our standards are both relevant and complete. DETAILS: We are now requesting comment on the following specifications produced by our Keyboard Access Team (FSGA-kbd) [1]. These specifications are expected to become FSG standards in 2006. * Keyboard Access Functional Specification, RC1 This specification defines keyboard access assistive technology features and the functionality an FSG certified platform must provide in support of accessibility. * Generic Assertions for Manual Testing, RC1 This specification describes how to validate that an implementation of the functional specification is correctly implemented. Once these specifications become FSG standards, they will define the keyboard access functionality a user can expect from an FSG certified computer system. HOW TO SEND FEEDBACK: You may respond through bugzilla using the appropriate URL below or by sending email to the address below. The preferred method for receiving feedback is via the web because it automatically logs your feedback in our tracking system without additional human intervention. If possible, only use the email method if you have troubles using the below URLs. See [2] below for guidance on how to Search bugzilla for other's comments. Keyboard Access Functional Specification: http://accessibility.freestandards.org/a11yspecs/kbd/xkbdreview.html Generic Assertions for Manual Testing: http://accessibility.freestandards.org/a11yspecs/kbd/assertsreview.html Review feedback alias and specification [if all else fails]: * accessibility-rfc at freestandards.org * http://accessibility.freestandards.org/a11yspecs/kbd/ REVIEW TIME PERIOD: Please provide your comments on these draft specifications no later than midnight, 24:00 UTC, Wednesday, January 31, 2005. On behalf of FSGA, and especially the FSGA-kbd team, we thank you for your assistance. Earl Johnson, FSGA-KBD Committee Chair Earl.JohnsonSun.COM Janina Sajka, FSGA Chair janinaFreeStandards.Org NOTES: [1] - The following Mousekeys functionality will be removed from the final version of both specifications. It is being removed because it turns out the functionality can not be made user settable. To be removed: "2.2. Pointer step size (aka initial jump)." [2] - Search on the terms "keyboard" or "keyboard generic" to call up a list of all review feedback for the "Keyboard Access Functional Specification" and "Generic Assrtions for Manual Tests" documents respectively. Visit the following page for more Help on how to search the Bugzilla web site. http://bugs.freestandards.org/quicksearch.html From kjcole at ubuntu.com Thu Jan 26 21:29:04 2006 From: kjcole at ubuntu.com (Kevin Cole) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:29:04 -0500 Subject: Future work for mhz, ogra and company, maybe. ;-) Bi-directional A/V Message-ID: <43D93F20.6040109@ubuntu.com> Hi, Here's a wish list idea for Dapper+infinity (or, having never worked with thin clients, maybe it's closer than I think): I've recently introduced a graduate student here at Gallaudet to the awe and mystery that is Ubuntu, and am now explaining Edubuntu to him... As I explained the whole thin-client thing, his eyes lit up and he said something like: "Oooo. That would be great for training and testing ASL (American Sign Language) interpreters..." I hope to get more details later, the gist is that Gallaudet has a very expensive Mac lab for interpreter training that other schools with a desire to train interpreters cannot afford. In our lab, students are in cubicles, so that they cannot see other students. The teacher can both broadcast audio and video for the purposes of training students, and can receive a/v for testing their sign skills. Or so I understand. I'd like to get some of the folks from our lab to see a running LTSP or "moo cow" setup, and get someone who's familiar with those to see our lab. (jelkner, ping) I get the feeling this is probably a long way off, but I thought I'd perhaps get others fantasizing about the idea, and toying with it. P.S. He also mentioned video analysis of signing, and said they're currently using a program called "btv" (I think I remembered that right) for the Mac. I explained that there were tools for examining video frame-by-frame, but I've never used them. -- Kevin Cole | Key ID: 0xE6F332C7 Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Team | WWW: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KevinCole Washington, D.C. (USA) | Phone: +1.202.234.0213 "Using vi is not a sin. It's a penance." -- St. IGNUcious, Church of Emacs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: