From William.Walker at Sun.COM Sat Jul 1 11:52:53 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 07:52:53 -0400 Subject: [g-a-devel] Happy patch bonanza In-Reply-To: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> References: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> Message-ID: <4bef9594cbca3d4837d1abf1897a2ac3@sun.com> Hi All: I apologize for my absence on this discussion so far - I've been mired in meetings and travel over the past 8-10 days, and I will be continuing my travels over the coming week. I'll attempt to read/digest/comment on the flurry of 40-50 e-mails on this particular topic when I get a chance, though. Will (Acting gnome-speech maintainer, but focusing mostly on Orca) On Jun 28, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Enrico Zini wrote: > Hello, > > finally, I'm attaching patches: > > audsp-queue.patch > Patch for festival's audsp to also report the currently playing file > on (audio_mode 'query) > > This seems to bring no particular improvement. I suspect that > gnopernicus doesn't need the is_speaking function too badly, after > all? > > unclutter.patch > Patch for gnome-speech festival driver to send a single, more compact > SayText command, and to avoid sending empty strings or string > containing only blanks. > > This is mainly a cosmetic patch. > > recode.patch > Patch for gnome-speech festival driver. When one of the Italian > voices is requested, switches the g_io output channel to latin1 > instead of utf-8. > > This fixes the Italian voices! Hooray!! > > > Ciao, > > Enrico > > -- > GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini > queue.patch>_______________________________________________ > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > Gnome-accessibility-devel at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel From William.Walker at Sun.COM Sat Jul 1 13:25:32 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:25:32 -0400 Subject: [g-a-devel] Happy patch bonanza (more patch bonanza) In-Reply-To: <20060629162745.GB480@viaza> References: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> <1151517976.10868.22.camel@linux.site> <87veqkkzb0.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629142152.GA30533@viaza> <20060629150248.GA480@viaza> <87ejx8klf6.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629162745.GB480@viaza> Message-ID: <857c56fb470a868f63bf32e7b820dc2b@sun.com> Hi All: After a couple cups of coffee on a jet-lagged Saturday morning, I've read and digested all the e-mail on this subject. Since I'm one of those damn self-centered ASCII Americans, I don't always completely understand the full impact of all the internationalization and localization problems, especially when it comes to this particular mix of various processes and libraries. Let me make sure I understand the proposal here: 1) IN FESTIVAL: Rely on a convention to optionally extend the programmatic description of Festival voices directly in the Festival voice data itself (i.e., not in gnome-speech). Based upon precedence set by the festival-freebsoft-utils folks, this extension adds a "coding" attribute to define the character encoding type of the voice. The "coding" attribute is a string acceptable for passing directly to g_io_channel_set_encoding. ISO-8859-1 is implied if "coding" is absent. See the "current-voice-coding" description at for more information on the "coding" attribute. 2) IN GNOME-SPEECH: Patch the gnome-speech festival synthesis driver to check for the "coding" attribute of a voice description. If the parameter is defined, call g_io_channel_set_encoding with the value of the attribute. If it is not set, default to ISO-8859-1. This sounds simple enough to me. I may be misunderstanding something in one of the threads on this topic, but it seems that it is implied that the user will be setting the character encoding for their desktop to be the same as that of their synthesis engine/voice and visa versa. Should some sort of transcoding/conversion be attempted if there is a detected mismatch, or is this automatically handled by the g_io infrastructure? In addition, the obvious impact here is on our Telugu (festival-te.sf.net) and other UTF-8 language friends - they would need to extend the relevant festival voices to set the "coding" parameter to UTF-8 and also help test this. Please let me know if I'm understanding this correctly. In addition, many many thanks to both Enrico and Milan for their understanding and diligence in this matter. You definitely help define what "community" means. Will PS - I'm out of the office for the next several days, but I will release a new gnome-speech tarball for the next GNOME 2.15 deadline (12-July) if we can quickly reach closure on this. On Jun 29, 2006, at 12:27 PM, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 05:53:49PM +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote: > >> EZ> (coding "ISO-8859-1"))) >> Yes, except that it's probably better to specify the coding without >> double quotes: (coding ISO-8859-1) > > Done. I'm not proficient with LISP: what is the difference? > >> EZ> Because if we're inventing it right now, then I think I'd >> prefer >> EZ> "encoding". >> Well, I'm not sure which of the two English terms better fits the >> context. > > 'coding' is ok with me, if it's already used somewhere. > >> Yes, this is the right thing to do. > > Good! > People, please review the attached patch for gnome-speech to take > advantage of the 'coding' attribute. > > > Ciao, > > Enrico > > -- > GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > Gnome-accessibility-devel at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel From enrico at enricozini.org Sat Jul 1 14:12:05 2006 From: enrico at enricozini.org (Enrico Zini) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:12:05 +0100 Subject: [g-a-devel] Happy patch bonanza In-Reply-To: <1151609659.3329.5.camel@chopin> References: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> <1151517976.10868.22.camel@linux.site> <87veqkkzb0.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629142152.GA30533@viaza> <1151609659.3329.5.camel@chopin> Message-ID: <20060701141205.GA11796@viaza> On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 09:34:18PM +0200, Hynek Hanke wrote: > > So I guess the Italian voice doesn't define that. If you give me a > > piece of lisp code that adds that definition, I can add it to the Debian > > and Ubuntu package, and try to push it upstream. > Would it make sense to also include definitions for the other > voices in the list that Gary Cramblitt posted here? So far, the LISP coding for reporting the preferred encoding is in the festival voice itself. I'll be happy to try and prepare patches to include it in voices that do not fit in the default of ISO-8859-1. By the way, is there a list of all free (as in speech :) festival voices? In Debian we have: - British English male - Czech male (but not completely installable from Debian packages because, if I understand correctly, of size) - American English male - Finnish female - Finnish male - Castilian Spanish male - Italian male - Italian female All these voices use latin1 except Czech which uses latin2, and already reports the coding attribute. Other voices are easy to patch: see the attached patch for the Telugu voice. Are there other free non-latin1 voices around? Ciao, Enrico -- GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini -------------- next part -------------- diff -Naur festival-te-0.3.2.orig/telugu_NSK_diphone/festvox/telugu_NSK_diphone.scm festival-te-0.3.2/telugu_NSK_diphone/festvox/telugu_NSK_diphone.scm --- festival-te-0.3.2.orig/telugu_NSK_diphone/festvox/telugu_NSK_diphone.scm 2006-04-04 05:46:13.000000000 +0100 +++ festival-te-0.3.2/telugu_NSK_diphone/festvox/telugu_NSK_diphone.scm 2006-07-01 15:02:25.000000000 +0100 @@ -225,6 +225,8 @@ (description "COMMENT" ) - (builtwith festvox-1.2))) + (builtwith festvox-1.2) + (coding UTF-8) + )) (provide 'telugu_NSK_diphone) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From enrico at enricozini.org Sat Jul 1 14:28:36 2006 From: enrico at enricozini.org (Enrico Zini) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:28:36 +0100 Subject: [g-a-devel] Happy patch bonanza (more patch bonanza) In-Reply-To: <857c56fb470a868f63bf32e7b820dc2b@sun.com> References: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> <1151517976.10868.22.camel@linux.site> <87veqkkzb0.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629142152.GA30533@viaza> <20060629150248.GA480@viaza> <87ejx8klf6.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629162745.GB480@viaza> <857c56fb470a868f63bf32e7b820dc2b@sun.com> Message-ID: <20060701142836.GB11796@viaza> On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 09:25:32AM -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Let me make sure I understand the proposal here: > 1) IN FESTIVAL: Rely on a convention to optionally extend the [...] > 2) IN GNOME-SPEECH: Patch the gnome-speech festival synthesis driver to [...] Yes, that's the same as I understood. > This sounds simple enough to me. I may be misunderstanding something > in one of the threads on this topic, but it seems that it is implied > that the user will be setting the character encoding for their desktop > to be the same as that of their synthesis engine/voice and visa versa. > Should some sort of transcoding/conversion be attempted if there is a > detected mismatch, or is this automatically handled by the g_io > infrastructure? From what I understand from here: http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/glib-IO-Channels.html#g-io-channel-set-encoding then g_io is capable of doing recoding internally, since it says that "The internal encoding is always UTF-8.". I understand that the idea is that a GTK application can do everything in UTF-8 internally and g_io takes care of recoding when one needs to interact with the messy external world. Which is quite cool, actually :) > In addition, the obvious impact here is on our Telugu > (festival-te.sf.net) and other UTF-8 language friends - they would need > to extend the relevant festival voices to set the "coding" parameter to > UTF-8 and also help test this. Yes, they would need to add the coding attribute, or gnome-speech would try to recode their input into ISO-8859-1 (latin1), probably failing while trying to recode sequences that cannot be encoded in latin1. Luckily, it's very simple to add the coding attribute: see the attached patch for Telugu (I followed the URL you gave to download the sources). > Please let me know if I'm understanding this correctly. In addition, > many many thanks to both Enrico and Milan for their understanding and > diligence in this matter. You definitely help define what "community" > means. Thanks! /me blushes > PS - I'm out of the office for the next several days, but I will > release a new gnome-speech tarball for the next GNOME 2.15 deadline > (12-July) if we can quickly reach closure on this. That would be just fantastic. Ciao, Enrico -- GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini -------------- next part -------------- diff -Naur festival-te-0.3.2.orig/telugu_NSK_diphone/festvox/telugu_NSK_diphone.scm festival-te-0.3.2/telugu_NSK_diphone/festvox/telugu_NSK_diphone.scm --- festival-te-0.3.2.orig/telugu_NSK_diphone/festvox/telugu_NSK_diphone.scm 2006-04-04 05:46:13.000000000 +0100 +++ festival-te-0.3.2/telugu_NSK_diphone/festvox/telugu_NSK_diphone.scm 2006-07-01 15:02:25.000000000 +0100 @@ -225,6 +225,8 @@ (description "COMMENT" ) - (builtwith festvox-1.2))) + (builtwith festvox-1.2) + (coding UTF-8) + )) (provide 'telugu_NSK_diphone) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From garycramblitt at comcast.net Sat Jul 1 16:04:47 2006 From: garycramblitt at comcast.net (Gary Cramblitt) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 12:04:47 -0400 Subject: [g-a-devel] Happy patch bonanza In-Reply-To: <20060701141205.GA11796@viaza> References: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> <1151609659.3329.5.camel@chopin> <20060701141205.GA11796@viaza> Message-ID: <200607011204.47552.garycramblitt@comcast.net> On Saturday 01 July 2006 10:12, Enrico Zini wrote: > Are there other free non-latin1 voices around? There's a Polish voice here: http://www.artegence.com/download/voicexml/speech/festival_polish_voice.tgz which uses ISO-8859-2 encoding. There's a russian voice here: http://nshmyrev.narod.ru/festival/festival.html which needs a Cryllic encoding such as KOI8-R Tho not "free", Cepstral distributes a Polish voice that can be used in Festival. Here's the relevant voice codes and encodings from: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdeaccessibility/kttsd/plugins/festivalint/voices?rev=438982&view=markup cstr_pl_em_diphone pl ISO 8859-2 male false true true true Polish Male msu_ru_nsh_diphone ru KOI8-R male false true true false Russian Male There is also a Hungarian voice available for Hadifix, which would use ISO-8859-2 encoding. More info at link in my sig. -- Gary Cramblitt (aka PhantomsDad) KDE Text-to-Speech Maintainer http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/kttsd/index.php From William.Walker at Sun.COM Sat Jul 1 16:32:15 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 12:32:15 -0400 Subject: [g-a-devel] Happy patch bonanza (more patch bonanza) In-Reply-To: <20060701142836.GB11796@viaza> References: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> <1151517976.10868.22.camel@linux.site> <87veqkkzb0.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629142152.GA30533@viaza> <20060629150248.GA480@viaza> <87ejx8klf6.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629162745.GB480@viaza> <857c56fb470a868f63bf32e7b820dc2b@sun.com> <20060701142836.GB11796@viaza> Message-ID: <077ab55e3585cf5bbefe1fdcac59f22e@sun.com> Thanks for the affirmation, Enrico! I'll let this fester for more comments for a day or so, but will probably commit your patch to gnome-speech some time Monday morning GMT-6. Will On Jul 1, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 09:25:32AM -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > >> Let me make sure I understand the proposal here: >> 1) IN FESTIVAL: Rely on a convention to optionally extend the > [...] >> 2) IN GNOME-SPEECH: Patch the gnome-speech festival synthesis driver >> to > [...] > > Yes, that's the same as I understood. > >> This sounds simple enough to me. I may be misunderstanding something >> in one of the threads on this topic, but it seems that it is implied >> that the user will be setting the character encoding for their desktop >> to be the same as that of their synthesis engine/voice and visa versa. >> Should some sort of transcoding/conversion be attempted if there is a >> detected mismatch, or is this automatically handled by the g_io >> infrastructure? > > From what I understand from here: > http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/glib-IO-Channels.html#g-io-channel- > set-encoding > then g_io is capable of doing recoding internally, since it says that > "The internal encoding is always UTF-8.". I understand that the idea > is > that a GTK application can do everything in UTF-8 internally and g_io > takes care of recoding when one needs to interact with the messy > external world. Which is quite cool, actually :) > >> In addition, the obvious impact here is on our Telugu >> (festival-te.sf.net) and other UTF-8 language friends - they would >> need >> to extend the relevant festival voices to set the "coding" parameter >> to >> UTF-8 and also help test this. > > Yes, they would need to add the coding attribute, or gnome-speech would > try to recode their input into ISO-8859-1 (latin1), probably failing > while trying to recode sequences that cannot be encoded in latin1. > > Luckily, it's very simple to add the coding attribute: see the attached > patch for Telugu (I followed the URL you gave to download the sources). > >> Please let me know if I'm understanding this correctly. In addition, >> many many thanks to both Enrico and Milan for their understanding and >> diligence in this matter. You definitely help define what "community" >> means. > > Thanks! > /me blushes > >> PS - I'm out of the office for the next several days, but I will >> release a new gnome-speech tarball for the next GNOME 2.15 deadline >> (12-July) if we can quickly reach closure on this. > > That would be just fantastic. > > > Ciao, > > Enrico > > -- > GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini > From pdm at brailcom.org Sat Jul 1 19:27:07 2006 From: pdm at brailcom.org (Milan Zamazal) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:27:07 +0200 Subject: Happy patch bonanza References: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> <1151517976.10868.22.camel@linux.site> <87veqkkzb0.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629142152.GA30533@viaza> <1151609659.3329.5.camel@chopin> <20060701141205.GA11796@viaza> Message-ID: <87y7vdp1mc.fsf@zamazal.org> >>>>> "EZ" == Enrico Zini writes: EZ> By the way, is there a list of all free (as in speech :) festival EZ> voices? In Debian we have: EZ> - British English male EZ> - Czech male (but not completely installable from Debian packages EZ> because, if I understand correctly, of size) The Czech voice is complete in Debian now. The remark in festival-czech/README.Debian is obsolete. EZ> - American English male EZ> - Finnish female EZ> - Finnish male EZ> - Castilian Spanish male The Spanish voice contains some non-DFSG free part and is not present in Debian (it's probably present in the non-free section of Debian infrastructure). EZ> - Italian male EZ> - Italian female EZ> All these voices use latin1 except Czech which uses latin2, and already EZ> reports the coding attribute. EZ> Other voices are easy to patch: see the attached patch for the Telugu EZ> voice. Are there other free non-latin1 voices around? You can look at http://festlang.berlios.de/languages.html. The list is "overcomplete" (it contains references to non-released voices too), but you could probably find other free voices not listed above there. Regards, Milan Zamazal From pdm at brailcom.org Sat Jul 1 19:50:08 2006 From: pdm at brailcom.org (Milan Zamazal) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:50:08 +0200 Subject: Happy patch bonanza (more patch bonanza) References: <20060628160125.GA7321@viaza> <1151517976.10868.22.camel@linux.site> <87veqkkzb0.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629142152.GA30533@viaza> <20060629150248.GA480@viaza> <87ejx8klf6.fsf@zamazal.org> <20060629162745.GB480@viaza> <857c56fb470a868f63bf32e7b820dc2b@sun.com> Message-ID: <87r715p0jz.fsf@zamazal.org> >>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: WW> I may be misunderstanding something in one of the threads on WW> this topic, but it seems that it is implied that the user will WW> be setting the character encoding for their desktop to be the WW> same as that of their synthesis engine/voice and visa versa. I don't know about the context, so I may be misunderstanding something too, but I can't see any direct relation between desktop character encoding and the speech synthesis voice encoding. For simple examples consider using multiple voices implemented in different encodings or working with multiple languages. One can usually set his desktop encoding simply to UTF-8, while the encoding(s) used by the voices is just an (ideally hidden) technical detail. Regards, Milan Zamazal From henrik at ubuntu.com Sun Jul 2 14:27:33 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:27:33 +0100 Subject: access website section Message-ID: <44A7D7D5.40208@ubuntu.com> Hi, I've added a page about accessibility on the ubuntu main site: http://www.ubuntu.com/access This should hopefully make it easier for new people to find enough information to get started. Failing that there are links to this list and the forums. If there are things would like to see added to or changed on the page, please leave your comments here or on the relevant wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/access - Henrik From jasongrieves at hotmail.com Tue Jul 4 00:31:45 2006 From: jasongrieves at hotmail.com (Jason Grieves) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:31:45 -0400 Subject: control center...something we should push for? In-Reply-To: <44A7D7D5.40208@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I have seen some neat web mockups of a possible integration suite of accessibiltiy tools. Should we begin piggy backing on something like the following http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207894 On my Accessibility Guide the difficulty lies in that all apps and gui's and configurations are spread throughout the desktop. Henrik, I believe you originally had the mock ups? Though that is not an official project, his idea was what I was thinking of a couple of months ago. A PyGtk backend, but much more customizable than hsi current hard coded app. Its a good start and idea however. God Bless, Jason G. Mathew 11:28-30 From mhz.chile at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 21:19:43 2006 From: mhz.chile at gmail.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:19:43 -0400 Subject: Demo for a11y apps in Teleton Message-ID: <1152047983.4653.23.camel@EduDapB2175> Dear friends, I have been invited to demo Edubuntu to a Chilean institution called 'Teleton' that helps children or any person with accessibility issues, esp. people with 1 less leg or arm, tetraplegic and cuadraplegic, etc. Also, sometimes, they provide assistance to deaf or blind people. Basically, they teach how to use protesis, how to develop self confidence, etc. So far, they feel Edubuntu is a great alternative for the Labs they want to implement all over the country (13 regions). However, they'd like to see and try a11y apps. I have told them that there is this a11y team, where there is developers, testers, and friends, who know a lot about a11y apps. development (not me yet). So, could you please provide me with videos, leaflet, or any material I could use for a demo, considering I have no clue about how to promote the use of a11y apps. A video would be great as I could also show how a11y developers work. Best regards, -- Mauricio Hernandez Z. * Ubuntu Memeber * mhz at ubuntu.com www.edubuntu.org www.ubuntu-cl.org Cel: (56+8) 749 6071 |============ IRC ===============| | servidor: irc.freenode.net | | canal: #edubuntu, #edubuntu-es | | nick: mhz | |================================| [Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales para evitar incompatbilidades entre clientes de correo] [Para que enviar adjuntos propietarios, si podemos enviar adjuntos mas livianos y libres?] [Por favor, evita enviarme .doc .xls .ppt] From themuso at themuso.com Wed Jul 5 08:18:28 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:18:28 -0000 Subject: [Spec spoken-boot] Spoken Boot Message-ID: <20060705081828.23781.49347.launchpad@canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Specification changed by Luke Yelavich: Definition Status: Approved => Review -- Specification Details: Spoken Boot https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/spoken-boot From henrik at ubuntu.com Wed Jul 5 09:22:43 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:22:43 +0100 Subject: Demo for a11y apps in Teleton In-Reply-To: <1152047983.4653.23.camel@EduDapB2175> References: <1152047983.4653.23.camel@EduDapB2175> Message-ID: <44AB84E3.5090207@ubuntu.com> Mauricio Hernandez Z. wrote: > Dear friends, > > I have been invited to demo Edubuntu to a Chilean institution called > 'Teleton' that helps children or any person with accessibility issues, > esp. people with 1 less leg or arm, tetraplegic and cuadraplegic, etc. > Also, sometimes, they provide assistance to deaf or blind people. > > Basically, they teach how to use protesis, how to develop self > confidence, etc. > > So far, they feel Edubuntu is a great alternative for the Labs they want > to implement all over the country (13 regions). However, they'd like to > see and try a11y apps. > > I have told them that there is this a11y team, where there is > developers, testers, and friends, who know a lot about a11y apps. > development (not me yet). > > So, could you please provide me with videos, leaflet, or any material I > could use for a demo, considering I have no clue about how to promote > the use of a11y apps. A video would be great as I could also show how > a11y developers work. > > When will this be? You should definitely demo SOK and dasher for them. SOK isn't packaged yet, but it's easy to install from the tarball: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Projects/SOK Also show how the Live CD can be booted into different modes. There is also some basic information on the main website now: http://www.ubuntu.com/access I've done some collaboration with AbilityNet, which is a group doing similar stuff in the UK: http://www.abilitynet.org.uk/ - Henrik From themuso at themuso.com Wed Jul 5 09:28:11 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:28:11 +1000 Subject: Espeak hitting universe. Message-ID: <20060705092811.GA5669@linden.yelavich.home> Hi all For those who are interested, espeak has been uploaded, and will hit the archive soon. If you intend to have a play with it, please let me know if there are any problems. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The following page has been changed by ColinWatson: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAccessibility The comment on the change is: proofreading ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ == Rationale == - We want everyone to be able to use Kubuntu, for people with disabilities this is not possible without accessibility tools currently only in Universe. + We want everyone to be able to use Kubuntu; for people with disabilities this is not possible without accessibility tools currently only in Universe. == Use cases == @@ -27, +27 @@ * High contrast - Use KDE high contrast themes * Magnification - Use Kmag or possibly MCM/compiz-mag if ready in time - * Screen reader - Use kttsd support in applications - investigate if Orca will run in KDE (ie gets any useful input) + * Screen reader - Use kttsd support in applications - investigate if Orca will run in KDE (i.e. gets any useful input) - * Keyboard & Mouse - Turn on the KDE keyb and mouse features like StickyKeys by default, use KmouseTool + * Keyboard and Mouse - Turn on the KDE keyboard and mouse features like StickyKeys by default, use KmouseTool * On-screen Keyboard - Use SOK if KDE port exists by this time These options should be selectable from the Live CD boot menu as with the Ubuntu version. @@ -37, +37 @@ Edit casper to load profiles equivalent to that done on the Ubuntu. The profiles will mirror those used in Ubuntu. - * Lesser Visual Imparement + * Lesser Visual Impairment * Enlarged, no high contrast theme * High contrast, not inverted * Plain background * Magnifier - * Moderate Visual Imparement + * Moderate Visual Impairment * High contrast theme, inverted, large - * KDE Text To Speach turned on for app supported applications + * KDE Text To Speech turned on for supported applications * KSayIt loaded * Minor Motor Difficulties * Sticky keys - * Onscreen feedback for sticky keys + * On-screen feedback for sticky keys * Motor Difficulties - Pointing Devices * Kmousetool - * Henrick's Simple Onscreen Keyboard project if ready + * Henrik's Simple Onscreen Keyboard project if ready * Blindness - * Not possible yet in KDE because we do not have a proper on screen keyboard + * Not possible yet in KDE because we do not have a proper on-screen keyboard === Code === From noreply at ubuntu.com Wed Jul 5 15:16:18 2006 From: noreply at ubuntu.com (Ubuntu Wiki) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:16:18 -0000 Subject: [Ubuntu Wiki] Update of "Accessibility/Specs/SudoAdminAtspi" by ColinWatson Message-ID: <20060705151618.32184.80814@palmer.ubuntu.com> Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Ubuntu Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by ColinWatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/SudoAdminAtspi The comment on the change is: proofreading and reply to comment ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ == Design == - * '''AT-SPI sudo communication:''' A connection can be established by patching AT-SPI to use SUDO_USER in it's lookup routine. ColinWatson will prepare a patch for testing. + * '''AT-SPI sudo communication:''' A connection can be established by patching AT-SPI to use SUDO_USER in its lookup routine. ColinWatson will prepare a patch for testing. * '''preventing focus-grab:''' This behaviour is determined by the gconf key {{{gksu:disable-grab}}}. It cannot simply be disabled, because it makes the desktop session a bit more secure to snooping for most users. It could be disabled by default on the Live CD access profiles, and/or a check box could be provided on the Assistive Technology Preferences dialog. == Implementation == @@ -59, +59 @@ SvenJaborek: just an idea, try executing xhost + as user before starting the admin tool + ColinWatson: just an idea, let's not :-) (`xhost +` is evil) + From mdz at ubuntu.com Wed Jul 5 16:30:28 2006 From: mdz at ubuntu.com (Matt Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:30:28 -0000 Subject: [Spec sudo-admin-atspi] GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI Message-ID: <20060705163028.23723.67376.launchpad@canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Specification changed by Matt Zimmerman: Definition Status: Pending Approval => Drafting Whiteboard changed to: kamion 2006-07-05: review ok with minor edits mdz 2006-07-05: design for focus grab prevention is indefinite; please take a decision about how to handle it and document in the spec -- Specification Details: GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/sudo-admin-atspi From mdz at ubuntu.com Wed Jul 5 16:51:48 2006 From: mdz at ubuntu.com (Matt Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:51:48 -0000 Subject: [Spec kubuntu-accessibility] Kubuntu Accessibility Message-ID: <20060705165148.23723.88244.launchpad@canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Specification changed by Matt Zimmerman: Definition Status: Pending Approval => Approved Whiteboard changed to: kamion 2006-07-05: review ok with minor edits mdz 2006-07-05: approved -- Specification Details: Kubuntu Accessibility https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-accessibility From henrik at ubuntu.com Wed Jul 5 18:28:17 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:28:17 -0000 Subject: [Spec sudo-admin-atspi] GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI Message-ID: <20060705182817.23723.95834.launchpad@canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Specification changed by Henrik Nilsen Omma: Definition Status: Drafting => Pending Approval Whiteboard changed to: kamion 2006-07-05: review ok with minor edits mdz 2006-07-05: design for focus grab prevention is indefinite; please take a decision about how to handle it and document in the spec heno 2006-07-05: fixed -- Specification Details: GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/sudo-admin-atspi From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Wed Jul 5 18:35:56 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Spec sudo-admin-atspi] GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI In-Reply-To: <20060705182817.23723.95834.launchpad%canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> References: <20060705182817.23723.95834.launchpad%canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <44AC068C.2010306@sun.com> Hi Henrik, I believe this bug should help solve this problem when it is addressed hopefully for gnome2.16. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163132 Mike Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Specification changed by Henrik Nilsen Omma: > > Definition Status: Drafting => Pending Approval > > Whiteboard changed to: > > kamion 2006-07-05: review ok with minor edits > > mdz 2006-07-05: design for focus grab prevention is indefinite; please > take a decision about how to handle it and document in the spec > > heno 2006-07-05: fixed > > From mdz at ubuntu.com Wed Jul 5 19:06:26 2006 From: mdz at ubuntu.com (Matt Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:06:26 -0000 Subject: [Spec sudo-admin-atspi] GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI Message-ID: <20060705190626.16609.34934.launchpad@canonical@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Specification changed by Matt Zimmerman: Definition Status: Pending Approval => Approved Whiteboard changed to: kamion 2006-07-05: review ok with minor edits mdz 2006-07-05: design for focus grab prevention is indefinite; please take a decision about how to handle it and document in the spec heno 2006-07-05: fixed mdz 2006-07-05: Approved -- Specification Details: GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/sudo-admin-atspi From scott at ubuntu.com Wed Jul 5 22:04:40 2006 From: scott at ubuntu.com (Scott James Remnant) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:04:40 -0000 Subject: [Spec spoken-boot] Spoken Boot Message-ID: <20060705220440.23723.34966.launchpad@canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Specification changed by Scott James Remnant: Definition Status: Review => Approved -- Specification Details: Spoken Boot https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/spoken-boot From alpuzz at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 03:32:05 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:32:05 -0400 Subject: Help troubleshooting major gnome-speech issue? Message-ID: <000e01c6a3d1$6b5fa340$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hello everyone, I'm seeing some really major weirdness on my dapper system, I believe with gnome-speech, but I'm not even sure whether gnome-speech itself is the culprit. Basically, what happens is that upon booting my machine, I log into gnome, and then get no speech when attempting to run Orca or gnopernicus, either with Festival or Fonix DECtalk. A couple interesting points. This issue does not occur 100% of the time. If I reboot 5 times, I would say 4 out of the 5 times, I get no speech, and then the fifth time, everything is fine. When the problem does occur, if I issue the reboot command from a virtual console, then speech momentarily starts as processes are being shut down. If I run test-speech before ever logging into X, both Festival and DECtalk consistently work as expected. I've tried rebuilding gnome-speech, but to no avail. i'm typically not one to shy away from a bit of troubleshooting, but the frustrating thing is that I really don't have anything to sink my teeth into. I have spoken to others who have had similar problems, but for the most part, the lack of speech seems to be the exception rather than the rule, where as on my system, the opposite is the case. If anyone can offer ideas, they would be very much appreciated. At this point, I'm becoming increasingly tempted to torch the whole thing and simply reinstall, but I hate leaving problems like this unresolved. --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From javier at tiflolinux.org Mon Jul 10 08:20:05 2006 From: javier at tiflolinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fco=2E_Javier_Dorado_Mart=EDnez?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:20:05 +0200 Subject: Help troubleshooting major gnome-speech issue? In-Reply-To: <000e01c6a3d1$6b5fa340$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <000e01c6a3d1$6b5fa340$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <20060710082005.GA9633@tiflolinux.org> Hi to all Al, try to disable the ESD sound system. Goto the menu, system, preferences, sound and uncheck the checkbox using ESD. Regards, Javier. :On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 11:32:05PM -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm seeing some really major weirdness on my dapper system, I believe with gnome-speech, but I'm not even sure whether gnome-speech itself is the culprit. > > Basically, what happens is that upon booting my machine, I log into gnome, and then get no speech when attempting to run Orca or gnopernicus, either with Festival or Fonix DECtalk. > > A couple interesting points. This issue does not occur 100% of the time. If I reboot 5 times, I would say 4 out of the 5 times, I get no speech, and then the fifth time, everything is fine. When the problem does occur, if I issue the reboot command from a virtual console, then speech momentarily starts as processes are being shut down. > > If I run test-speech before ever logging into X, both Festival and DECtalk consistently work as expected. > I've tried rebuilding gnome-speech, but to no avail. > i'm typically not one to shy away from a bit of troubleshooting, but the frustrating thing is that I really don't have anything to sink my teeth into. I have spoken to others who have had similar problems, but for the most part, the lack of speech seems to be the exception rather than the rule, where as on my system, the opposite is the case. > > If anyone can offer ideas, they would be very much appreciated. At this point, I'm becoming increasingly tempted to torch the whole thing and simply reinstall, but I hate leaving problems like this unresolved. > > --Al > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From alpuzz at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 19:36:51 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:36:51 -0400 Subject: So, what's the story on ESD? (was, Re: Help troubleshooting major gnome-speech issue?) References: <000e01c6a3d1$6b5fa340$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <20060710082005.GA9633@tiflolinux.org> Message-ID: <000401c6a458$32a3c9f0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hello Javier, Thank you very much, disabling ESD did seem to resolve the issue. However, I'm confused because this machine worked for a long time with ESD enabled then at some point, it suddenly became a problem. The system in question is an IBM Thinkpad T43, with an integrated Intel sound chip that uses the ac97 codec. Can anyone speak as to what the issue is here? are we dealing with some sort of BUG in ESD, a limitation of Alsa or something else? I would assume that ideally, it would be desirable to keep ESD enabled, especially if the machine will be used for any multimedia related activities. Thanks, --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fco. Javier Dorado Martínez" To: "Al Puzzuoli" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:20 AM Subject: Re: Help troubleshooting major gnome-speech issue? > Hi to all > > Al, try to disable the ESD sound system. Goto the menu, system, > preferences, sound and uncheck the checkbox using ESD. > > Regards, > Javier. > :On Sun, Jul 09, > 2006 at 11:32:05PM -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I'm seeing some really major weirdness on my dapper system, I believe >> with gnome-speech, but I'm not even sure whether gnome-speech itself is >> the culprit. >> >> Basically, what happens is that upon booting my machine, I log into >> gnome, and then get no speech when attempting to run Orca or gnopernicus, >> either with Festival or Fonix DECtalk. >> >> A couple interesting points. This issue does not occur 100% of the time. >> If I reboot 5 times, I would say 4 out of the 5 times, I get no speech, >> and then the fifth time, everything is fine. When the problem does >> occur, if I issue the reboot command from a virtual console, then speech >> momentarily starts as processes are being shut down. >> >> If I run test-speech before ever logging into X, both Festival and >> DECtalk consistently work as expected. >> I've tried rebuilding gnome-speech, but to no avail. >> i'm typically not one to shy away from a bit of troubleshooting, but the >> frustrating thing is that I really don't have anything to sink my teeth >> into. I have spoken to others who have had similar problems, but for the >> most part, the lack of speech seems to be the exception rather than the >> rule, where as on my system, the opposite is the case. >> >> If anyone can offer ideas, they would be very much appreciated. At this >> point, I'm becoming increasingly tempted to torch the whole thing and >> simply reinstall, but I hate leaving problems like this unresolved. >> >> --Al > >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From ricaradu at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 14:22:18 2006 From: ricaradu at gmail.com (Aurelian Radu) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:22:18 +0300 Subject: Questions about xmcm Message-ID: Hello, List ! I have downloaded xmcm 0.1.5 from sourceforge.net. Now... 1) Can I install it on Dapper ? 2) Do I need xgl + compiz ? 3) Do I install xmcm by issuing the commands listed in the INSTALL file ? Thanks ! Aurelian Radu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Will From William.Walker at Sun.COM Sat Jul 15 11:07:15 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:07:15 -0400 Subject: Keyboard navigation to notifcation balloons in the top panel Message-ID: <1152961635.31576.9.camel@localhost> Hi All: Every once in a while, I will notice a notification balloon appear in the top panel - these balloons are for things such as the update-notifier to tell me new updates are available and the power manager to tell me my battery is running low. Is there a way for me to navigate to these objects from the keyboard? I've tried, but I cannot seem to get to them. Will From lists at janc.be Sat Jul 15 17:29:45 2006 From: lists at janc.be (Jan Claeys) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:29:45 +0200 Subject: "Applications Places Systems" menu area stealing focus In-Reply-To: <1152962245.31576.19.camel@localhost> References: <1152962245.31576.19.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1152984617.6253.5.camel@bedsa> On za, 2006-07-15 at 07:17 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > When I press Ctrl+Alt+Tab to give focus to the top panel, I've found > that the "Applications Places Systems" menu area at the top left of the > display happily grabs keyboard focus. On my system (running edgy) the last focused panel applet seems to get the focus after selecting the toolbar with Ctrl+Alt+Tab (probably the menu has the default focus). > The problem is that once I've done Ctrl+Alt+Tab and then get into this > menu area via keyboard traversal, I often cannot seem to get keyboard > focus out of this area using the keyboard alone. I've tried Ctrl+Alt > +Tab again, Escape, arrowing around, starting a new app, etc. I find > myself needing to click the mouse somewhere else to unstick the focus. > I've done a cursory search of the archives, but haven't found anything > related to this. > > Is there a magic keystroke I'm missing? Esc followed by Tab (or Shift+Tab) jumps to the next (or previous with Shift) item on the toolbar here. -- Jan Claeys From henrik at ubuntu.com Sat Jul 15 20:29:20 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:29:20 +0100 Subject: "Applications Places Systems" menu area stealing focus In-Reply-To: <1152962245.31576.19.camel@localhost> References: <1152962245.31576.19.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44B95020.10204@ubuntu.com> Willie Walker wrote: > Hi All: > > When I press Ctrl+Alt+Tab to give focus to the top panel, I've found > that the "Applications Places Systems" menu area at the top left of the > display happily grabs keyboard focus. > > The problem is that once I've done Ctrl+Alt+Tab and then get into this > menu area via keyboard traversal, I often cannot seem to get keyboard > focus out of this area using the keyboard alone. I've tried Ctrl+Alt > +Tab again, Escape, arrowing around, starting a new app, etc. I find > myself needing to click the mouse somewhere else to unstick the focus. > I've done a cursory search of the archives, but haven't found anything > related to this. > > Is there a magic keystroke I'm missing? > Hi Willie, I've found a workaround, but this does seem like a bug/issue that should be reported (I'll do that). Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right changes the view to the next view-pane. You then get focus on your applications again and you can repeat to get back to your original desktop by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Right/Left. - Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Sat Jul 15 20:35:43 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:35:43 +0100 Subject: "Applications Places Systems" menu area stealing focus In-Reply-To: <44B95020.10204@ubuntu.com> References: <1152962245.31576.19.camel@localhost> <44B95020.10204@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <44B9519F.8000703@ubuntu.com> Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > > I've found a workaround, but this does seem like a bug/issue that > should be reported (I'll do that). Filed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/53098 From William.Walker at Sun.COM Sun Jul 16 15:03:26 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:03:26 -0400 Subject: "Applications Places Systems" menu area stealing focus In-Reply-To: <44B95020.10204@ubuntu.com> References: <1152962245.31576.19.camel@localhost> <44B95020.10204@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1153062206.12107.49.camel@localhost> Thanks Henrik! I've noticed that there are cases where I can give focus to the "Applications Places System" area (as indicated by a dotted line around it), and I can never get out of it. One way I've been able to reproduce this is by giving focus to the area via Ctrl+Alt+Tab, bringing up the Applications menu by pressing the right arrow key, and then dismissing it by pressing escape. Sometimes, but not always, I seem to get in a situation where the Ctrl+Alt+Arrow workaround doesn't even get me unstuck. :-( Will On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 21:29 +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Willie Walker wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > When I press Ctrl+Alt+Tab to give focus to the top panel, I've found > > that the "Applications Places Systems" menu area at the top left of the > > display happily grabs keyboard focus. > > > > The problem is that once I've done Ctrl+Alt+Tab and then get into this > > menu area via keyboard traversal, I often cannot seem to get keyboard > > focus out of this area using the keyboard alone. I've tried Ctrl+Alt > > +Tab again, Escape, arrowing around, starting a new app, etc. I find > > myself needing to click the mouse somewhere else to unstick the focus. > > I've done a cursory search of the archives, but haven't found anything > > related to this. > > > > Is there a magic keystroke I'm missing? > > > Hi Willie, > > I've found a workaround, but this does seem like a bug/issue that should > be reported (I'll do that). Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right changes the > view to the next view-pane. You then get focus on your applications > again and you can repeat to get back to your original desktop by > pressing Ctrl+Alt+Right/Left. > > - Henrik From sven-tek at gmx.de Sun Jul 16 16:13:47 2006 From: sven-tek at gmx.de (Sven Jaborek) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:13:47 +0200 Subject: "Applications Places Systems" menu area stealing focus In-Reply-To: <44B95020.10204@ubuntu.com> References: <1152962245.31576.19.camel@localhost> <44B95020.10204@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1153066427.5460.0.camel@localhost> Am Samstag, den 15.07.2006, 21:29 +0100 schrieb Henrik Nilsen Omma: > Willie Walker wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > When I press Ctrl+Alt+Tab to give focus to the top panel, I've found > > that the "Applications Places Systems" menu area at the top left of the > > display happily grabs keyboard focus. > > > > The problem is that once I've done Ctrl+Alt+Tab and then get into this > > menu area via keyboard traversal, I often cannot seem to get keyboard > > focus out of this area using the keyboard alone. I've tried Ctrl+Alt > > +Tab again, Escape, arrowing around, starting a new app, etc. I find > > myself needing to click the mouse somewhere else to unstick the focus. > > I've done a cursory search of the archives, but haven't found anything > > related to this. > > > > Is there a magic keystroke I'm missing? alt+esc does the job for me. regards, Sven > > > Hi Willie, > > I've found a workaround, but this does seem like a bug/issue that should > be reported (I'll do that). Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right changes the > view to the next view-pane. You then get focus on your applications > again and you can repeat to get back to your original desktop by > pressing Ctrl+Alt+Right/Left. > > - Henrik > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I actually find that I usually need to click twice with the mouse button to move somewhere else. :-( Will On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 18:13 +0200, Sven Jaborek wrote: > Am Samstag, den 15.07.2006, 21:29 +0100 schrieb Henrik Nilsen Omma: > > Willie Walker wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > > > When I press Ctrl+Alt+Tab to give focus to the top panel, I've found > > > that the "Applications Places Systems" menu area at the top left of the > > > display happily grabs keyboard focus. > > > > > > The problem is that once I've done Ctrl+Alt+Tab and then get into this > > > menu area via keyboard traversal, I often cannot seem to get keyboard > > > focus out of this area using the keyboard alone. I've tried Ctrl+Alt > > > +Tab again, Escape, arrowing around, starting a new app, etc. I find > > > myself needing to click the mouse somewhere else to unstick the focus. > > > I've done a cursory search of the archives, but haven't found anything > > > related to this. > > > > > > Is there a magic keystroke I'm missing? > > alt+esc does the job for me. > > regards, Sven > > > > > > Hi Willie, > > > > I've found a workaround, but this does seem like a bug/issue that should > > be reported (I'll do that). Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right changes the > > view to the next view-pane. You then get focus on your applications > > again and you can repeat to get back to your original desktop by > > pressing Ctrl+Alt+Right/Left. > > > > - Henrik > > From guido.hochuli at tele2.ch Wed Jul 19 14:24:47 2006 From: guido.hochuli at tele2.ch (GUIDO HOCHULI) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:24:47 +0200 Subject: LCD-Problem Message-ID: <1153319087.8485.2.camel@localhost> Hallo I've got a Targa-PC with a Nvidia Gforce 6600GT graphiccard 64 Bit, connected to a Targa 19"-LCD-Monitor on DVI. Both from the "lidl"-Store in Germany. All running now on Ubuntu 6.06 I can only set 1024x768 and not the desired 1280x1024 on my LCD. On start-page, before installing, I set 1280x1024. I tried 16 and 32 color mode with no better result than 1024x768. Is there a possibility to change the screen to the higher resolution. Thank you for thinking over the problem. Yours very truly Guido Hochuli, Switzerland, Basel guido.hochuli at tele2.ch From themuso at themuso.com Wed Jul 19 22:03:34 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:03:34 +1000 Subject: LCD-Problem In-Reply-To: <1153319087.8485.2.camel@localhost> References: <1153319087.8485.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060719220333.GA8918@linden.yelavich.home> On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 12:24:47AM EST, GUIDO HOCHULI wrote: > > Hallo > I've got a Targa-PC with a Nvidia Gforce 6600GT graphiccard 64 Bit, > connected to a Targa 19"-LCD-Monitor on DVI. Both from the > "lidl"-Store in Germany. > All running now on Ubuntu 6.06 > I can only set 1024x768 and not the desired 1280x1024 on my LCD. > On start-page, before installing, I set 1280x1024. I tried 16 and 32 > color mode with no better result than 1024x768. > Is there a possibility to change the screen to the higher resolution. You might want to ask on the ubuntu-users mailing list, wher you are more likely to get a useful response. This list is for discussion about Ubuntu accessibility issues for people with disabilities. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From alpuzz at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 03:54:58 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:54:58 -0400 Subject: Gnopernicus and the new ubuntu installer References: <1759379234.20060604235447@bramd.nl> <4483F714.6040203@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <012d01c6abb0$458cd890$6901a8c0@thinkpad> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrik Nilsen Omma" To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:19 AM Subject: Re: Gnopernicus and the new ubuntu installer > Bram Duvigneau wrote: >> - - - Get a root shell with sudo -s >> - - - Launch gnopernicus from there to ge taccess to the installer I must be missing a step here. If I try running gnopernicus from Gnome-terminal after doing a sudo-s, I get the following: (process:6270): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2240: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function (process:6270): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed (process:6270): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Segmentation fault Any tips would be much appreciated, --Al From daniel.carrera at zmsl.com Sat Jul 22 19:19:53 2006 From: daniel.carrera at zmsl.com (Daniel Carrera) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:19:53 +0100 Subject: Accessible OpenDocument reader Message-ID: <1153595993.4589.67.camel@Agape-desktop> Hello, I met Henrik at LugRadio today (nice meeting you Henrik!). I had given a talk about the OpenDocument format, and demonstrated a simple ODF viewer. Henrik asked about making an accessible version of the ODF reader, something that would let people read ODF files right on the command-line, as plain text. Well... I just finished "version 0.1" of an accessible, text-only ODF reader. And I thought that this list would be interested: http://opendocumentfellowship.org/node/152 The way the original viewer works is by turning ODF into HTML and giving the result to a Gecko-based application. The way this reader works is by doing the same thing but giving the HTML to LynX. Persto! Now we have an accessible ODF reader that preserves document structure like headings, lists, and even hyperlinks. What do you think? Any chance to see this in Ubuntu one day? Oh, and if you want to know about me (who the heck is Daniel Carrera?) see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera Cheers, Daniel. -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. 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I had given a > talk about the OpenDocument format, and demonstrated a simple ODF > viewer. Henrik asked about making an accessible version of the ODF > reader, something that would let people read ODF files right on the > command-line, as plain text. [snip] > > http://opendocumentfellowship.org/node/152 [snip] -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As far as I know, there are things that elinks supports that the other two don't. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From daniel.carrera at zmsl.com Sun Jul 23 09:00:39 2006 From: daniel.carrera at zmsl.com (Daniel Carrera) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:00:39 +0100 Subject: Accessible OpenDocument reader In-Reply-To: <20060722233436.GC11890@linden.yelavich.home> References: <1153595993.4589.67.camel@Agape-desktop> <1153607453.4589.81.camel@Agape-desktop> <20060722233436.GC11890@linden.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <1153645240.4589.108.camel@Agape-desktop> On Sun, 2006-23-07 at 09:34 +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote: > IMO you would be better off supporting elinks, as it is the one browser > that is under constant development. As far as I know, there are things > that elinks supports that the other two don't. Ok, I've tried to work with elinks and I got a little further than with lynx. Elinks allows you to set up a mime handler for non-HTML files. So what I did was: * Made a program, 'odfread', that converts ODF to HTML and gives the output to elinks. * Configured elinks to use odfread as a mime handler for ODF files. This is recursive, and it means that now you can press 'G' to open an ODF file from elinks, but every time you do it you create a whole new instance of elinks and also lose the ability to press "back". If we can configure elinks so that pressing "back" when there is nothing in the history makes the application quit, then we'd have a fully functional text-based odf reader. Cheers, Daniel. -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From themuso at themuso.com Sun Jul 23 09:21:24 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:21:24 +1000 Subject: Accessible OpenDocument reader In-Reply-To: <1153645240.4589.108.camel@Agape-desktop> References: <1153595993.4589.67.camel@Agape-desktop> <1153607453.4589.81.camel@Agape-desktop> <20060722233436.GC11890@linden.yelavich.home> <1153645240.4589.108.camel@Agape-desktop> Message-ID: <20060723092124.GA15740@linden.yelavich.home> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 07:00:39PM EST, Daniel Carrera wrote: > On Sun, 2006-23-07 at 09:34 +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote: > > IMO you would be better off supporting elinks, as it is the one browser > > that is under constant development. As far as I know, there are things > > that elinks supports that the other two don't. > > Ok, I've tried to work with elinks and I got a little further than with > lynx. Elinks allows you to set up a mime handler for non-HTML files. So > what I did was: > > * Made a program, 'odfread', that converts ODF to HTML and gives the > output to elinks. > * Configured elinks to use odfread as a mime handler for ODF files. > > This is recursive, and it means that now you can press 'G' to open an > ODF file from elinks, but every time you do it you create a whole new > instance of elinks and also lose the ability to press "back". > > If we can configure elinks so that pressing "back" when there is nothing > in the history makes the application quit, then we'd have a fully > functional text-based odf reader. Ok that shouldn't be a proble, Recent versions of elinks have a --remote flag, which allows the same instance of elinks to be opened, but the new page gets opened in a new tab. Finished with the tab, just close it. hth -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Finished with the tab, just close it. Ok, great idea. I just modified the odfreader script to take an optional -t flag. When the flag is given, it opens a new tab. Then I configured elinks to call odfreader with the -t flag. Now... how do you close a tab? I was thinking that I should hack elinks so that when you go "back" and there is nothing in the history, it closes the tab. I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether this is really that important. What do you think? Cheers, Daniel. -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From themuso at themuso.com Sun Jul 23 10:12:20 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:12:20 +1000 Subject: Accessible OpenDocument reader In-Reply-To: <1153646941.4589.126.camel@Agape-desktop> References: <1153595993.4589.67.camel@Agape-desktop> <1153607453.4589.81.camel@Agape-desktop> <20060722233436.GC11890@linden.yelavich.home> <1153645240.4589.108.camel@Agape-desktop> <20060723092124.GA15740@linden.yelavich.home> <1153646941.4589.126.camel@Agape-desktop> Message-ID: <20060723101220.GA14611@linden.yelavich.home> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 07:29:00PM EST, Daniel Carrera wrote: > On Sun, 2006-23-07 at 19:21 +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote: > > > If we can configure elinks so that pressing "back" when there is nothing > > > in the history makes the application quit, then we'd have a fully > > > functional text-based odf reader. > > > > Ok that shouldn't be a proble, Recent versions of elinks have a --remote > > flag, which allows the same instance of elinks to be opened, but the new > > page gets opened in a new tab. Finished with the tab, just close it. > > Ok, great idea. > > I just modified the odfreader script to take an optional -t flag. When > the flag is given, it opens a new tab. Then I configured elinks to call > odfreader with the -t flag. > > Now... how do you close a tab? I was thinking that I should hack elinks > so that when you go "back" and there is nothing in the history, it > closes the tab. I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether this > is really that important. What do you think? No I don't think it is. If the user wants to get rid of the tab, they can close it. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From henrik at ubuntu.com Sun Jul 23 11:17:17 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:17:17 +0100 Subject: Accessible OpenDocument reader In-Reply-To: <1153595993.4589.67.camel@Agape-desktop> References: <1153595993.4589.67.camel@Agape-desktop> Message-ID: <44C35ABD.2070600@ubuntu.com> Daniel Carrera wrote: > Hello, > > I met Henrik at LugRadio today (nice meeting you Henrik!). I had given a > talk about the OpenDocument format, and demonstrated a simple ODF > viewer. Henrik asked about making an accessible version of the ODF > reader, something that would let people read ODF files right on the > command-line, as plain text. > > Well... I just finished "version 0.1" of an accessible, text-only ODF > reader. And I thought that this list would be interested: > > http://opendocumentfellowship.org/node/152 > > The way the original viewer works is by turning ODF into HTML and giving > the result to a Gecko-based application. The way this reader works is by > doing the same thing but giving the HTML to LynX. Persto! Now we have an > accessible ODF reader that preserves document structure like headings, > lists, and even hyperlinks. > > What do you think? Any chance to see this in Ubuntu one day? > > Oh, and if you want to know about me (who the heck is Daniel Carrera?) > see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera > > Great work Daniel! It works nicely, and is of course blazingly fast :) (compared with opening OpenOffice for example) I'm copying in the Orca list so they are aware of this too. - Henrik From jgotangco at ubuntu.com Sun Jul 23 11:37:44 2006 From: jgotangco at ubuntu.com (Jerome Gotangco) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:37:44 +0800 Subject: Accessible OpenDocument reader In-Reply-To: <44C35ABD.2070600@ubuntu.com> References: <1153595993.4589.67.camel@Agape-desktop> <44C35ABD.2070600@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: I have tried this as well and its really fast (and rendered the document correctly). But since I am not impaired at any level, I can only appreciate it skin-deep and haven't tested with screen readers at least. But one thing I noticed is that the reader (or the parser even) doesn't like long filenames separted by spaces. I had to rename some documents to test it out but this is a minor annoyance that can be easily remedied. Best, Jerome G. -- Jerome Gotangco jgotangco at ubuntu.com Mobile: +639196555242 Jabber: jgotangco at jabber.org GPG: 0x9E379FC6 From daniel.carrera at zmsl.com Sun Jul 23 19:44:14 2006 From: daniel.carrera at zmsl.com (Daniel Carrera) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:44:14 +0100 Subject: Accessible OpenDocument reader In-Reply-To: References: <1153595993.4589.67.camel@Agape-desktop> <44C35ABD.2070600@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1153683855.4589.190.camel@Agape-desktop> On Sun, 2006-23-07 at 19:37 +0800, Jerome Gotangco wrote: > But one thing I noticed is that the reader (or the parser even) > doesn't like long filenames separted by spaces. I had to rename some > documents to test it out but this is a minor annoyance that can be > easily remedied. I found a solution for this problem. It is deceptively difficult, it took me several hours to solve. In the end I had to rewrite the script in Perl. The new script seems to be neither faster nor slower. It seems to behave identical to the old one, except that now it doesn't cry when you give it a file name with a space. It has a new dependency (Perl) but I guess that's ok because Perl is standard with Ubuntu. When you give it a file with a space in it, the reader copies it to /tmp/ giving it a sane name. This is "unelegant", but I swear it's the only solution I found. I might slow things down for large documents, but since those documents are slow to parse anyways. Parsing XML is usually the limiting factor, so the real-life difference is probably very small. The biggest difference will be felt with files that are very large, but don't have complex markup. That would mean files with large images and the like. But those files are not terribly interesting to the users of a text-based ODF reader. You can download the new version from the same place as the previous one (I replaced the file). http://opendocumentfellowship.org/node/153 Cheers, Daniel. -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It uses a different config directory (~/.odfreader). * Now if you press 'g' and point it to an ODF file, elinks correctly interprets it and opens it on a new tab. So the "feel" is really that of a finished application. The reader is just as fast with elinks as it is with lynx (at least I can't notice a difference). Cheers, Daniel. -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So you could send it to your favourite accessible HTML viewer. Cheers, Daniel. -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jgotangco at ubuntu.com Mon Jul 24 11:22:01 2006 From: jgotangco at ubuntu.com (Jerome Gotangco) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:22:01 +0800 Subject: Updated: ODF reader In-Reply-To: <1153739062.4589.283.camel@Agape-desktop> References: <1153739062.4589.283.camel@Agape-desktop> Message-ID: I've tested this newest build with an ODT filled with complex tables (doing for a conference schedule) and I'm glad to inform you that it was able to convert it nicely. Of course, the HTML output was rendered quite well with the elinks browser. It's going very well! Best, Jerome G. -- Jerome Gotangco jgotangco at ubuntu.com Mobile: +639196555242 Jabber: jgotangco at jabber.org GPG: 0x9E379FC6 From daniel.carrera at zmsl.com Mon Jul 24 15:44:32 2006 From: daniel.carrera at zmsl.com (Daniel Carrera) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:44:32 +0100 Subject: Debian package for the ODF reader Message-ID: <1153755872.4589.300.camel@Agape-desktop> Hello all, I'm eager to submit the ODF reader to Revu to try to get it into Universe, and I'd really appreciate some help. Recent changes: * I've made a .deb. You can get orig.tar.gz and diff.gz from the wiki page (scroll all the way to the bottom): http://trac.opendocumentfellowship.org/odf2html/wiki/odfreader * The source distribution now includes a Makefile to make it installable. * I wrote a couple of man pages. I would be grateful if someone could try it out and comment. If it looks good, I'll submit it to Revu. NOTE: Before trying it, please run `rm -r ~/.odfreader` This removes the old configuration file. If you don't, the "g" option won't work correctly. Cheers, Daniel. -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From daniel.carrera at zmsl.com Mon Jul 24 21:39:13 2006 From: daniel.carrera at zmsl.com (Daniel Carrera) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:39:13 +0100 Subject: ODF reader on Revu Message-ID: <1153777153.32516.13.camel@Agape-desktop> Hello, I got some help on IRC from other developers at the OpenDocument Fellowship, and now I feel ready to submit the ODF reader to Revu. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2780 The changes are relatively minor, but make the package more robust. The biggest change is that if odfread doesn't find elinks, links or lynx it also tries www-browser and we set www-browser as a dependency. The upshot of this is that I can Recommend elinks without lintian throwing an error. All the changes are like that... things that are unlikely to affect anyone, but are good to have. I would be grateful if some a11y members could take a look and hopefully advocate it :) Cheers, Daniel. -- http://opendocumentfellowship.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on unreasonable men." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hanke at brailcom.org Tue Jul 25 12:39:30 2006 From: hanke at brailcom.org (Hynek Hanke) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:39:30 +0200 Subject: Speech Dispatcher 0.6.1 Released Message-ID: <1153831171.3334.42.camel@chopin> Speech Dispatcher 0.6.1 ======================= The Brailcom organization is happy to announce the availability of Speech Dispatcher 0.6.1 developed as a part of the Free(b)Soft project. This is a minor release, it contains mostly bugfixes and support for new synthesizers. Please read `What is new' and `NOTES' bellow. * What is Speech Dispatcher? Speech Dispatcher is a device independent layer for speech synthesis, developed with the goal of making the usage of speech synthesis easier for application programmers. It takes care of most of the tasks necessary to solve in speech enabled applications. What is a very high level GUI library to graphics, Speech Dispatcher is to speech synthesis. The architecture of Speech Dispatcher is based on a proven client/server model. The basic means of client communication with Speech Dispatcher is through a TCP connection using the Speech Synthesis Interface Protocol (SSIP). Key Speech Dispatcher features are: - Message priority model that allows multiple simultaneous connections to Speech Dispatcher from one or more clients and tries to provide the user with the most important messages. - Different output modules that talk to different synthesizers so that the programmer doesn't need to care which particular synthesizer is being used. Currently Festival, Flite, Epos and (non-free) Dectalk software are supported. Festival is an advanced Free Software synthesizer supporting various languages. - Client-based configuration allows users to configure different settings for different clients that connect to Speech Dispatcher. - Simple interface for programs written in C, C++ provided through a shared library, also Python, Common Lisp and Guile interface. An Elisp library is developed as a sperate project speechd-el. Possibly an interface to any other language can be developed. * What is new in 0.6.1? - Bug fixes - Generic output module support for the eSpeak synthesizer (free English speech synthesizer, GPL) - Output module for Cicero (french TTS, GPL but requires mbrola) (thanks to Olivier Bert) - Output module for IBM TTS (IBM TTS is non-free) (thanks to Gary Cramblitt) - Revision and stabilization of the Python interface NOTES (0.6.1 together with notes for 0.6) - A Gnome Speech output module was developed which allows you to use Gnopernicus with Speech Dispatcher and is available in Gnome Speech distribution. - An experimental module for Orca provides support of Speech Dispatcher: http://www.freebsoft.org/~cerha/orca/speech-dispatcher-backend.html (this version of Speech Dispatcher 0.6.1 is required) - ALSA audio output is not turned on by default. If you like, go to etc/speech-dispatcher/modules and turn it on for your output module. - If you are using speechd-up, you likely need to upgrade to speechd-up-0.3 due to a bug in speechd-up. Speechd-up 0.3 also brings new capabilities, notably support for the ``Read all'' function in Speakup. - Although not necessary, we highly recommend you to install the festival-freebsoft-utils 0.6 available on http://www.freebsoft.org/pub/projects/festival-freebsoft-utils/ * Where to get it? You can get the distribution tarball of the released version from http://www.freebsoft.org/pub/projects/speechd/speech-dispatcher-0.6.1.tar.gz We recommend you to fetch the sound icons for use with Speech Dispatcher. They are available at http://www.freebsoft.org/pub/projects/sound-icons/sound-icons-0.1.tar.gz Corresponding Debian packages will soon be available at your Debian distribution mirror. The home page of the project is http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd * How to report bugs? Please report bugs at . For other contact please use Happy synthesizing! From alpuzz at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 13:59:12 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:59:12 -0400 Subject: Edgy Installation? Message-ID: <001d01c6b0bb$acc9ff50$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, I am anxious to begin testing Edgy, and just wondering where things currently stand in terms of the installation process? At this point, is the sudo -s workaround still the only way possible to do an accessible install, or have other methods been implemented, either on the desktop or alternate cds? If the workaround is still the best way, then I seem to be missing something, as I have never been able to make it happen. I launch gnome-terminal, du a sudo -s and then attempt to run Gnopernicus, but whenever I do this, Gnopernicus will not start, and I get something like the following: (process:6270): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2240: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function (process:6270): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed (process:6270): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Segmentation fault Thanks in advance for any help, --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Wed Jul 26 20:23:12 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:23:12 -0700 Subject: problem with gaim in latest edgy Message-ID: <44C7CF30.8040004@sun.com> Hi all, I am running an up to date edgy with orca. I'm noticing a problem when I start gaim. I start gaim and add my accounts and close the account dialog. At this point gaim seems to minimize to the panel. I know that the gaim process is still running but can find no way to give it focus. It is probably still visible but because the panels don't work well from the keyboard I am unable to find it. Is anyone else running edgy to confirm this? I can find no way to make gaim come up with focus now. thanks Mike From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Jul 27 03:51:35 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: edgy Message-ID: <0J310047FMPYEO27@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, is there now a download for edgy. I have seen a couple of posts that stated people are using it. If so can I get the daily download link. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-2, 07/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From corey.burger at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 04:33:53 2006 From: corey.burger at gmail.com (Corey Burger) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:33:53 -0700 Subject: edgy In-Reply-To: <0J310047FMPYEO27@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J310047FMPYEO27@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <348bd6da0607302133p23434822gfd69eabdb2debee2@mail.gmail.com> On 7/26/06, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, is there now a download for edgy. > I have seen a couple of posts that stated people are using it. > If so can I get the daily download link. > Thanks Mike. Mike, Geez, looks like nobody responded to you. The latest can be downloaded from: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ However, I recommend you try Knot-1, as the daily may not work: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/knot-1/ Cheers, Corey From alpuzz at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 05:00:08 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:00:08 -0400 Subject: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. Message-ID: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, I'm running Edgy with Gnome 2.15, and am experiencing major weirdness in terms of accessibility when attempting to use it with Orca. Some of the issues I've noticed are as follows: 1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one account, a freenode irc account. But now, after doing that, I can never seem to bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for whatever reason, it doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order. 2. Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal. Orca tracks live events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all over the place. The read current line command seems to start at the top of the window, rather than at the last location of the cursor. Another oddity is that not all of the window is accessible via flat review. in other words, if my screen fills up with data, flat review stops before actually reaching the last line on the screen. 3. Open office writer is completely inaccessible. Orca won't even read the menu bar or the help dialog. If I attempt flat review, all I get is "panel". Can anyone else confirm some or all of these issues? Thanks, --Al From s.bienlein at gmx.de Mon Jul 31 12:11:04 2006 From: s.bienlein at gmx.de (Simon Bienlein) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:11:04 +0200 Subject: edgy References: <0J310047FMPYEO27@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <001d01c6b49a$66095a10$c864a8c0@simonlaptop> Hi Mike, > Hi, is there now a download for edgy. > I have seen a couple of posts that stated people are using it. > If so can I get the daily download link. In the article 'Ubuntu "Edgy Eft" nimmt Gestalt an' www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/75729 (in German) the following mirrors are mentioned: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/knot-1/ http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/edgy/knot-1/ http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimages/edgy/knot-1/ I would also like to know whether one can install one of the three images (Desktop CD, Server install CD, Alternate install CD) with a Braille display. This should be possible especially for the server or the alternate CD as these CDs use a less graphic installer and are also executable with hardware that is a bit older. Best regards, Simon From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Mon Jul 31 17:50:49 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:50:49 -0700 Subject: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15. In-Reply-To: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <001301c6b45e$332cfe30$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <44CE42F9.5080509@sun.com> Hi Al, > > I'm running Edgy with Gnome 2.15, and am experiencing major weirdness > in terms of accessibility when attempting to use it with Orca. > I am also running the latest ubuntu edgy with the latest orca and finding similar problems. I've also reproduced our problems running gnopernicus. It seems as though there is a serious problem with this version of gnome 2.15 which is independent of orca. > > 1. Focus in gaim seems to be messed up. I was able to create one > account, a freenode irc account. But now, after doing that, I can > never seem to bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for > whatever reason, it doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order. I am also able to reproduce this problem which I actually reported at the beginning of last week. It happens with both orca from CVS head and gnopernicus. > 2. Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal. Orca tracks > live events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all > over the place. The read current line command seems to start at the > top of the window, rather than at the last location of the cursor. > Another oddity is that not all of the window is accessible via flat > review. in other words, if my screen fills up with data, flat review > stops before actually reaching the last line on the screen. > 3. Open office writer is completely inaccessible. Orca won't even > read the menu bar or the help dialog. If I attempt flat review, all I > get is "panel". I am also unable to read content with openoffice with this version of the desktop. If this is a general desktop problem and not related to the particular edgy we are running this will be a serious regression from gnome 2.14. Mike From po84 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 11:01:42 2006 From: po84 at yahoo.com (ZB) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Orca on Ubuntu Message-ID: <20060731110142.67419.qmail@web55702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Jason and Al, Have either of you tried using Linux Screen Reader on Ubuntu? Does it run into the same problems as Orca? This would be useful to know so the problem can be tracked to platform accessibility or to Orca. There are Ubuntu debs and instructions for installing available on the Linux SR homepage. http://live.gnome.org/LSR Zeke __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com