From j-diggs at comcast.net Sat Sep 2 02:16:07 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:16:07 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060902021607.30936.62285.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> With the new pyorbit, I no longer get the python crashes I mentioned earlier. However, when I reboot I still get the report of at-spi- registryd crashing. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 2 16:19:40 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:19:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0J4Z00M0W40P26AB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, does the latest not cd have orca. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-4, 09/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Sat Sep 2 17:59:22 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:59:22 -0700 Subject: latest gaim can not get focus in edgy Message-ID: <44F9C67A.6010609@sun.com> Hi all, I have successfully been using gaim on an edgy install for the last several days. This morning I pulled the latest set up updates which contained gaim 2.0 beta3.1 as well as gaim data. After the updates I can now start gaim and it is running but I am not able to give it focus. I have confirmed that the gaim process is indeed running. I had this problem several weeks ago pre not1 but haven't seen it in quite a while. Can anyone else confirm this behavior after updating today? I'm assuming that it is a setting in one of the configuration xml files in the .gaim directory but will need to look into this. Mike From j-diggs at comcast.net Sat Sep 2 21:48:42 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanmarie Diggs) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:48:42 -0400 Subject: latest gaim can not get focus in edgy In-Reply-To: <44F9C67A.6010609@sun.com> References: <44F9C67A.6010609@sun.com> Message-ID: <1157233722.5124.33.camel@blockhead> Hi Mike. I cannot confirm it. As long as I don't use Alt F4 to close gaim, but instead minimize it, I can always give it focus at subsequent launches. I believe I found where that value is set, however. Take a look it .gaim/prefs.xml Find the line that contains list_visible. When I changed its value from 1 to 0 and restarted gaim, I saw the behavior you described. Hope this helps! Joanie On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 10:59 -0700, Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi all, I have successfully been using gaim on an edgy install for the > last several days. This morning I pulled the latest set up updates > which contained gaim 2.0 beta3.1 as well as gaim data. After the > updates I can now start gaim and it is running but I am not able to give > it focus. I have confirmed that the gaim process is indeed running. I > had this problem several weeks ago pre not1 but haven't seen it in quite > a while. Can anyone else confirm this behavior after updating today? > I'm assuming that it is a setting in one of the configuration xml files > in the .gaim directory but will need to look into this. > Mike > From bruce.cowan at dsl.pipex.com Sun Sep 3 21:16:47 2006 From: bruce.cowan at dsl.pipex.com (Bruce Cowan) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:16:47 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060903211647.26465.97184.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> No, I don't use compiz. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Sun Sep 3 23:08:03 2006 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel thibault) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:08:03 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58718] Re: [Bug 58718] brltty must be started with sudo References: <20060903142110.30981.1991.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060903230803.GE4898@bouh.residence.ens-lyon.fr> Henrik Nilsen Omma, le Sun 03 Sep 2006 14:21:10 -0000, a écrit : > Permissions in Ubuntu seem to be prganised such that brltty (the braille > system) must always be started as root (sudo). Please consider adding a > device type that normal users can have the appropriate permissions for > to fix this. > > $ brltty > brltty: BRLTTY 3.7.2 > brltty: Linux Screen Driver > brltty: Cannot open screen device: /dev/vcsa: Permission denied > brltty: cannot read screen. Mmm, being able to read the console is quite dangerous: via an ssh account, it's just spying. And being able to insert keypresses on the console is even more dangerous. I'd suggest to rather add a brl group that would have such permissions (so as to limit people who have such powerful permissions). Samuel -- brltty must be started with sudo https://launchpad.net/bugs/58718 From mmcg069 at ec.auckland.ac.nz Sat Sep 2 20:12:22 2006 From: mmcg069 at ec.auckland.ac.nz (mmnz) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:12:22 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060902201222.26396.18763.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> I had a crash on closing synaptic -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From mmcg069 at ec.auckland.ac.nz Sun Sep 3 05:31:33 2006 From: mmcg069 at ec.auckland.ac.nz (mmnz) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 05:31:33 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060903053133.26396.55623.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Heres another: -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lp at omma.net Sun Sep 3 14:21:10 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:21:10 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58718] brltty must be started with sudo References: <20060903142110.30981.1991.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060903142110.30981.1991.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Permissions in Ubuntu seem to be prganised such that brltty (the braille system) must always be started as root (sudo). Please consider adding a device type that normal users can have the appropriate permissions for to fix this. $ brltty brltty: BRLTTY 3.7.2 brltty: Linux Screen Driver brltty: Cannot open screen device: /dev/vcsa: Permission denied brltty: cannot read screen. ** Affects: brltty (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- brltty must be started with sudo https://launchpad.net/bugs/58718 From mark at maas-martin.nl Sun Sep 3 20:51:46 2006 From: mark at maas-martin.nl (MeneM) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:51:46 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060903205146.30981.10408.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Occurs at every boot. I do use compiz for the eye candy, perhaps others do so as well? -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Sep 4 15:45:25 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:45:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: knot-2 Message-ID: <0J5200MYVRRO6P4C@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, has anyone been able to get the knot-2 CD. I go to the site and it says no links. Is there a alternative site I can get it from, or is it going to be put up later. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-4, 09/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From shakhshir at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 17:35:01 2006 From: shakhshir at gmail.com (saads) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:35:01 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060904173502.26465.50056.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Yes this happens often to me as well. I'm using Edgy up-to-date. I've attached my crash report. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 5 00:32:39 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:32:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: boot Message-ID: <0J5300CQGG6DCEB0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Ok, I got ahold of a older hp laptop. It has a 1000 MHz processor, 256 Mb ram and 19 gb hard drive. When I boot the CD it spins for about a minute loading then stops completely. Any ideas why. This unit has video but no screen. I am blind so that part doesn't matter to me. I had a similar problem on a dell desktop, but when this happens the screen goes blank from what I was told. Thanks for any help Mike. From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Sep 5 01:27:17 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanmarie Diggs) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:27:17 -0400 Subject: Orca *seems* to work with 64-bit Edgy live CD. Message-ID: <1157419637.4557.8.camel@pokey> Hi all. I just tried the 64-bit live CD of Edgy Knot 2. I wasn't all that thorough in my testing, but Orca *seems* to be working as I would expect. From this, can I make any assumptions about the gnome-speech/Bonobo activation issues being solved? (If I missed an announcement somewhere, my apologies!) Thanks in advance! Joanie From giskard at autistici.org Mon Sep 4 19:36:52 2006 From: giskard at autistici.org (Riccardo Setti) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:36:52 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58914] orca doesn't start References: <20060904193652.26465.12497.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060904193652.26465.12497.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: hello daniel, orca doesn't start when people click on the desktop-launch icon. cause orca should start runned in a terminal i've attached a patch that fix the bug ** Affects: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- orca doesn't start https://launchpad.net/bugs/58914 From giskard at autistici.org Mon Sep 4 19:37:25 2006 From: giskard at autistici.org (Riccardo Setti) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:37:25 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58914] Re: orca doesn't start References: <20060904193652.26465.12497.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060904193725.30981.57460.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> -- orca doesn't start https://launchpad.net/bugs/58914 From giskard at autistici.org Mon Sep 4 20:21:08 2006 From: giskard at autistici.org (Riccardo Setti) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:21:08 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58914] Re: orca doesn't start References: <20060904193652.26465.12497.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060904202108.30981.27313.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ok, i found the problem gnome-orca needs to be started in a gnome-session with accessibility feature enabled. ihmo ubuntu shouldn't have a gnome with accessibilty feature enabled, but probably this should be documented somewhere. My english skills are <0, so i'm not the right person who can do this. Feel free to ask me all informations you need. ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed -- orca doesn't start https://launchpad.net/bugs/58914 From matthew.joseph.mcgowan at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 20:56:39 2006 From: matthew.joseph.mcgowan at gmail.com (mmnz) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:56:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060904205639.26465.85961.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> I use compiz ... but i think i was getting crash report prompts even without compiz or xgl active. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lp at omma.net Tue Sep 5 09:55:39 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:55:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58914] Re: orca doesn't start References: <20060904193652.26465.12497.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060905095539.23028.561.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Hello Riccardo, Thanks for testing this. It is known to us that Orca does not behave properly when started from the menu. The background for that is that as a tool for blind people it was not designed to be launched from a menu. We are currently testing some different solutions to this. Prefereably we want the setup GUI to appear from the menu, or we might simply remove vit from the menu. We don't ship gnome with the accessibility features enabled, just installed. ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Low Status: Confirmed => In Progress -- orca doesn't start https://launchpad.net/bugs/58914 From giskard at autistici.org Tue Sep 5 10:44:47 2006 From: giskard at autistici.org (Riccardo Setti) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:44:47 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58914] Re: [Bug 58914] Re: orca doesn't start References: <20060904193652.26465.12497.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060905095539.23028.561.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1157453087.5328.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno mar, 05/09/2006 alle 09.55 +0000, Henrik Nilsen Omma ha scritto: hello Henrik, > We are currently testing some different solutions to this. Prefereably > we want the setup GUI to appear from the menu, or we might simply remove > vit from the menu. atm, as you say, you can start the GUI setup only in accessibility mode. No idea how to remove this check, and if this can be useful. what you can do is change in the .destkop the Exec: fiek with an ubuntu script (the name is at your choice) which change a gconf key (accessibility); logaut/login/; and then add by default orca at startup ok. this is a hack, probably you should add a info-dialog before, ok :( blind people cannot read it, probably you could integrate it with festival. > ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) > Importance: Untriaged => Low > Status: Confirmed => In Progress > -- ciao, giskard -- orca doesn't start https://launchpad.net/bugs/58914 From themuso at themuso.com Tue Sep 5 10:53:55 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:53:55 -0000 Subject: [Spec speakup-inclusion] Speakup Inclusion Message-ID: <20060905105355.23096.34494.launchpad@canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Specification changed by Luke Yelavich: Whiteboard changed to: dsilvers: 19/06: 18:30: Since you think this needs further discussion, here are my comments... 1. Without an assignee it's extremely difficult to say if there is sufficient detail in the technical description of what needs to be done for it to be implemented sanely. 2. I'd like to see a kernel maintainer's view of the patches, either included in the specification or else at least see that a kernel maint has contributed to the spec from the PoV of the feasibility of integrating the patches themuso: 20/06: Ben Collins has examined the speakup kernel code, and has determined it to have very little impact on the kernel. He noted that a few things could be done a little cleaner, but otherwise it seems to be fine. Speakup will be included in the next kernel update. For my part, I have updated the spec to be a little more informative as to how the userspace scripts would interract with speakup. Please let me know if you would like some more details. I am willing to write the userspace scripts for this spec. dsilvers: 20/06: 18:50: Okay, you're the assignee, With that as a given, I'm prepared to say that this can go for approval. -- mdz: reviewed 2006-06-20, comments inline. Note also that the time estimate seems unrealistic, please consider more carefully. themuso: 21/06 10:52: Ok, i reworked the implementation porshion of the spec somewhat. I think it was also an accidental addition for developer days due to the way I use the console to access launchpad. jbailey: 22/06 17:54: I think the implementation section is workable now, putting to pending-approval. Themuso: 05/09 20:50:19 +1000 - Kernel side is done, but due to lack of time, I have been unable to complete a useful lot of userspace scipts to drive speakup before feature freeze. I hope to at least get something into universe so that users can use speakup more easily than they can now. -- Specification Details: Speakup Inclusion https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/speakup-inclusion From krister at kristersplace.ws Tue Sep 5 14:25:18 2006 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:25:18 +0200 Subject: Some problems i have with my Ubuntu system Message-ID: <44FD88CE.4090502@kristersplace.ws> Hi folks, I have some problems with my Ubuntu Edgy system running on an IBM Net Vista with a built-in Intel graphics card, (I810). I made a dist-upgrade this morning, european time and since then i no longer have a working Swedish keyboard layout, or rather it works, but Orca doesn't. When i have U.s english keyboard layout, Orca works as expected, but when i switch to Swedish layout, i can no longer silence Orca with the control keys and the numeric keypad will not work. Is this anything that anyone has encountered? Should i file a bug report? Thanks for all help. -- /Krister From William.Walker at Sun.COM Tue Sep 5 13:17:34 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:17:34 -0400 Subject: Announcing Orca v1.0.0 Message-ID: <1157462255.27097.5.camel@localhost> =============== * What is Orca? =============== Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable combinations of speech, braille, and/or magnification. Orca has been been developed by the Sun Microsystems, Inc., Accessibility Program Office via continued engagement with its end users. In fact, the user interface designer for Orca is also a user. Orca works with applications and toolkits that support the assistive technology service provider interface (AT-SPI), which is the primary assistive technology infrastructure for the Solaris and Linux operating environments. Applications and toolkits supporting the AT-SPI include the GNOME GTK+ toolkit, the Java platform's Swing toolkit, OpenOffice, and Mozilla. AT-SPI support for the KDE Qt toolkit is currently being pursued. The focus for Orca v1.0.0 has been to provide usable access to key office productivity applications, including the following: Application Class Application ----------------- ----------- Graphical Desktop GNOME 2.16 Desktop Help yelp v2.16 Simple Text Editing gedit v2.16 Terminal gnome-terminal v2.16 E-mail evolution v2.8 Calendar evolution v2.8 Contact Management evolution v2.8 Instant Messaging gaim v1.5.1 or better Text Document Content OpenOffice v2.0.4 or StarOffice PP4 Spreadsheet Content OpenOffice v2.0.4 or StarOffice PP4 Notably absent from this list are the following applications that we plan to address with Orca v1.1 (to be released in the GNOME 2.18 time frame): * Web Content Accessibility: while Orca can provide access to relatively simple web pages via the Firefox v2.0 web browser, the team is working closely with the Firefox team to focus on providing compelling access to web content for Firefox v3.0. Firefox v3.0 is scheduled for Spring 2007, but several development releases of Firefox v3.0 and Orca's support for Firefox v3.0 will be available prior to the "official" release. We encourage Orca users to test these releases and provide us with feedback. * PDF Document Accessibility: the Orca team is working with Adobe to identify and fix accessibility issues with the Adobe Acrobat Reader. We expect to see these issues resolved soon. Orca should "just work" with the fixed Adobe Acrobat Reader, but we will release a new version of Orca if changes are necessary. * Presentation Content ("Slide Shows"): the Orca team focused on what our users specified as the most important content for OpenOffice and StarOffice: text documents and spreadsheets. For v1.1, we plan on providing more compelling access to these features as well as access to the generation and reading of overhead presentations. See also http://live.gnome.org/Orca for detailed English and Spanish information on Orca, including how to run Orca, how to communicate with the Orca user community, and where to log bugs and feature requests. The impatient can also take a look at the end of http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/orca/README for a brief overview of running Orca. ================================= * What's changed for Orca v1.0.0? ================================= This is the first "official" release of Orca. For those following the early development releases of Orca, however, we've made the following changes since Orca v0.9.0: * Updates to User's Guide, Architecture, Requirements, and Script Writing Guide. * Fix for bug 353467: run in a terminal if we detect text setup will be used. * Fix for bug 353476: apply better fallback algorithm to find a working synthesis engine. * Fix for bug 352578: ensure that checking/unchecking speech in the configuration GUI does the appropriate thing. * Re-fixed bug 350854 and fix for bug 353268: do not double read lines in OpenOffice and also make sure focus is properly handled in gedit after a window maximize. * Fix for bug 353237: prevent COMM_FAILURE messages when trying to get the object state (thanks Oana from Baum!). * Fix for bug 352866: add "-q" and "--quit" options to orca script to allow one to more easily kill orca (thanks Javier from ONCE!). * Fix for bug 352240: prevent wrong object report for Java applications in case of different event ordering (thanks Oana from Baum!). * Fix for bug 352257: improved isSameObject() function (thanks Oana from Baum!). * Fix for bug 352254: better handling of expand/collapse events for the Java platform (thanks Oana from Baum!). * Translations: bg Bulgarian Alexander Shopov, Rostislav Raykov, Vladimir Petkov, and Iassen Pramatarov bn Bengali Runa Bhattacharjee bn_IN Bengali Runa Bhattacharjee ca Catalan Gil Forcada and Josep Puigdemont i Casamajó cs Czech Miloslav Trmac cy Welsh Rhys Jones de German Hendrik Brandt dz Dzongkha Guntupalli Karunakar el Greek Nikos Charonitakis en_CA English/Canada Adam Weinberger en_GB English/British David Lodge and Gareth Owen es Spanish Francisco Javier F. Serrador and Maria Majadas eu Basque Iñaki Larrañaga Murgoitio fi Finnish Ilkka Tuohela fr French Cedric Corazza, Robert-André Mauchin, and Christophe Merlet gu Gujarati Ankit Patel hi Hindi Rajesh Ranjan it Italian Aldo Giambelluca and Alessio Frusciante ja Japanese Satoru Satoh ko Korean Changwoo Ryu lt Lithuanian Žygimantas Beručka and Gintautas Miliauskas lv Latvian Raivis Dejus mk Macedonian Jovan Naumovski ml Malayalam Ani Peter mr Marathi Rahul Bhalerao nb Norwegian Bokmål Kjartan Maraas and Sigurd Gartmann ne Nepali Pawan Chitrakar and Shiva Prasad Pokharel nl Dutch Tino Meinen, Elros Cyriatan, Taco Witte, and Vincent van Adrighem or Oriya Subhransu Behera pa Punjabi Amanpreet Singh Alam pt_BR Brazilian Portuguese Raphael Higino, Gustavo Noronha Silva, and Estêvão Samuel Procópio pt Portuguese Duarte Loreto ru Russian Nickolay V. Shmyrev rw Kinyarwanda Steve Murphy, Philibert Ndandali, Viateur Mugenzi, Noëlla Mupole, Carole Karema, Jean Baptiste Ngendahayo, Augustin Kiberwa, and Donatien Nsengiyumva sr at Latn Serbian Danilo Šegan sr Serbian Danilo Šegan sv Swedish Christian Rose and Daniel Nylander ta Tamil I. Felix uk Ukrainian Maxim Dziumanenko vi Vietnamese Clytie Siddall zh_CN Simplified Chinese Funda Wang and Li Shaojie zh_HK Traditional Chinese Chao-Hsiung Liao and Woodman Tuen zh_TW Traditional Chinese Chao-Hsiung Liao and Woodman Tuen ============ * THANKS!!!! ============ Many thanks to our management at Sun for believing in us and allowing us to make Orca happen. Many thanks also to Marc Mulcahy for starting the Orca prototype and showing the promise of scripting. Many thanks to our friends at Baum for sharing their knowledge and experiences from the Gnopernicus project. Their early involvement helped kick start the Orca project. Many thanks to Baum as well for providing improved support for the Java platform and for their numerous fixes and patches. They are a great team! Many thanks to the growing and thriving Orca community for their support and testing of all the early Orca development releases. Of special note is Joanmarie Diggs from the Carroll Center for the Blind. Joanie's continued testing and constructive criticism have helped us tremendously. Many thanks to the Ubuntu accessibility team for their continued support of Orca and for making it easily available to end users. The Ubuntu Edgy model helped get Orca into many people's hands, providing us with good feedback on where we've done things right and where there is room for improvement. Many thanks to Al Puzzuoli for his continued work on the Orca WIKI: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/. Al's selfless contributions, support, and ability to write from an end-user's perspective have proven invaluable. Many thanks to Francisco Javier Dorado Martínez from ONCE, who is keeper of the Spanish translation of Orca: http://wiki.tiflolinux.org/mediawiki/index.php/Orca. Javier's support and fixes for Orca have also been of exceptional use. Many thanks to T.V. Raman for his contributions to the support for Emacspeak speech servers. Many thanks to the translators who have worked so hard to translate Orca into over 40 locales. You guys rock! Finally, many thanks to the GNOME community and team for accepting Orca into GNOME 2.16. ===================== * Where can I get it? ===================== Orca is part of the GNOME 2.16 platform and should be available in binary form from all distributions supporting GNOME 2.16. These include (either now or in the very near future) Solaris, Ubuntu, and Fedora. You can also obtain Orca in source code form at the following URL: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/orca/1.0/orca-1.0.0.tar.bz2 http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/orca/1.0/orca-1.0.0.tar.gz >From the Sun Microsystems, Inc., Accessibility Program Office, Willie Walker, Project Lead Mike Pedersen, User Interface Design Rich Burridge, Core Development and Scripting Lynn Monsanto, Java Platform Support Michele Budris, Program Management From michael.arnauts at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 13:47:39 2006 From: michael.arnauts at gmail.com (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C3=ABl_Arnauts?=) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:47:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060905134740.24877.1428.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Another crash report... I don't use compiz. ** Attachment added: "crash report" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4132325/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From henrik at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 5 14:53:23 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:53:23 +0100 Subject: Some problems i have with my Ubuntu system In-Reply-To: <44FD88CE.4090502@kristersplace.ws> References: <44FD88CE.4090502@kristersplace.ws> Message-ID: <44FD8F63.6070800@ubuntu.com> Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi folks, > I have some problems with my Ubuntu Edgy system running on an IBM Net > Vista with a built-in Intel graphics card, (I810). > I made a dist-upgrade this morning, european time and since then i no > longer have a working Swedish keyboard layout, or rather it works, but > Orca doesn't. When i have U.s english keyboard layout, Orca works as > expected, but when i switch to Swedish layout, i can no longer silence > Orca with the control keys and the numeric keypad will not work. Is this > anything that anyone has encountered? Should i file a bug report? > Thanks for all help. > Hi Krister, Sounds like an xorg config problem You might try running this command: sudo setxkbmap -layout se To see if that fixes it in your current session. If the problem persists for a few days I suggest you file a bug here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-keyboard/+bugs Henrik From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Sep 6 01:17:59 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:17:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: install Message-ID: <0J5500C5OCXYCKA5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I had someone help me try to install on a hard drive and had the following problem. This system had windows xp installed. I wanted to install as a second operating system. It wouldn't partishon at all. Finally when it did say installing it went to 15 percent and stopped. Has anyone else had this problem. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-5, 09/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From jujoje at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 18:24:12 2006 From: jujoje at gmail.com (JuJoJe) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:24:12 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060905182412.29144.81924.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Hereś another ** Attachment added: "Crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4136382/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From ubuntu at kurtkraut.net Wed Sep 6 02:59:01 2006 From: ubuntu at kurtkraut.net (KurtKraut) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:59:01 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Another log References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060906025901.29298.37589.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Hi, This crash happens when I close Xchat. The crash log is attached below. ** Attachment added: "log auto-generated by Edgy" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4142312/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From ubuntu at kurtkraut.net Wed Sep 6 03:03:18 2006 From: ubuntu at kurtkraut.net (KurtKraut) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:03:18 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Sudden crash References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: I was using Ubuntu normaly when suddenly gnome-speech crashes. I wasn't opening any application at the moment and only Firefox was open. ** Affects: gnome-speech (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Sudden crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From ubuntu at kurtkraut.net Wed Sep 6 03:03:48 2006 From: ubuntu at kurtkraut.net (KurtKraut) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:03:48 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Here is the log References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060906030349.3977.37723.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "_usr_bin_festival-synthesis-driver.1000.crash" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4143488/_usr_bin_festival-synthesis-driver.1000.crash -- Sudden crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From lists at janc.be Wed Sep 6 18:51:51 2006 From: lists at janc.be (Jan Claeys) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:51:51 +0200 Subject: install In-Reply-To: <0J5500C5OCXYCKA5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5500C5OCXYCKA5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1157568712.5109.62.camel@bedsa> Op di, 05-09-2006 te 20:17 -0500, schreef mike coulombe: > Hi, I had someone help me try to install on a hard drive and had the > following problem. > This system had windows xp installed. > I wanted to install as a second operating system. > It wouldn't partishon at all. > Finally when it did say installing it went to 15 percent and stopped. > Has anyone else had this problem. Yes, I've seen this before. I suggest you first check the CD for errors. There is an option for that in the boot menu. Also, I had a problem like that once where one CD-drive in a PC caused this hanging of the installation procedure (and after waiting long enough, of the PC), and the other drive in the same PC worked fine. I'm not sure whether this was maybe caused by some dirt on the CD or dirt on the cd-player's lens or something else. -- Jan Claeys From jasongrieves at hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 00:52:03 2006 From: jasongrieves at hotmail.com (Jason Grieves) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:52:03 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060907005203.29144.65795.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> upgrade and at-spi failed on reboot. attached bug ** Attachment added: "at-spi crash" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4161089/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From Kwatson at smed.yi.org Thu Sep 7 17:59:19 2006 From: Kwatson at smed.yi.org (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:59:19 -0400 Subject: Speakup Message-ID: <20060907175918.GA15362@smed.yi.org> Hello, I have recently switched to edgy in order to give orca a try. So far I am impressed and excited about it. I would still like to maintain my access to the console though and am looking to put speakup into my kernel. Typically I build my own kernels from kernel.org, but I have noticed that ubuntu patches their kernels and adds a lot of modules to them. I would like to stick with your kernel, but am not sure how to go about patching speakup into it. Is there any documentation available that describes this process? Or are there any plans to incorporate speakup into your kernels? Thank you in advance for any help. Keith -- Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace From henrik at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 7 18:32:08 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:32:08 +0100 Subject: Speakup In-Reply-To: <20060907175918.GA15362@smed.yi.org> References: <20060907175918.GA15362@smed.yi.org> Message-ID: <450065A8.9090606@ubuntu.com> Keith Watson wrote: > Hello, > > I have recently switched to edgy in order to give orca a try. So > far I am impressed and excited about it. I would still like to > maintain my access to the console though and am looking to put > speakup into my kernel. Typically I build my own kernels from > kernel.org, but I have noticed that ubuntu patches their kernels > and adds a lot of modules to them. I would like to stick with your > kernel, but am not sure how to go about patching speakup into it. > Is there any documentation available that describes this process? > Or are there any plans to incorporate speakup into your kernels? > Hi Keith, Yes, we patch our kernel a fair bit to add useful features like speakup ;) We had an implementation plan for this for Edgy but we ran out of time to complete it so we haven't announced anything. I believe the current status is that the module is compiled with the kernel and included with the system but that no user space scripts have been written to load or manage it. We are hoping to get some scripts into edgy universe at least, but the freeze for that is fast approaching too. I've never used speakup myself so I am not too sure how this works. Luke and Ben would be the Ubuntu people to ask. If you are able to help with the user space scripts it would be much appreciated :) For more details see: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/speakup-inclusion https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpeakupInclusion Henrik From agranzot at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 15:54:07 2006 From: agranzot at gmail.com (verde) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:54:07 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060907155408.16587.72103.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> me too. Hope my log is helpful. ** Attachment added: "crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4167688/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lahansen at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 18:59:26 2006 From: lahansen at gmail.com (Lennart Hansen) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:59:26 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060907185926.12796.18388.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Here is a crash dump as well, crash happens when i login to gnome. This started after I tested Orca ** Attachment added: "Crash Dump" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4168286/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From mattisking at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 23:21:02 2006 From: mattisking at gmail.com (Matt Philmon) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:21:02 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060907232102.12752.31673.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "Another crash log." http://librarian.launchpad.net/4182194/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From forums at theo.to Fri Sep 8 00:44:39 2006 From: forums at theo.to (kozimodo) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:44:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908004439.16647.82614.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4182467/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 8 10:53:29 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:53:29 -0000 Subject: [Spec sudo-admin-atspi] GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI Message-ID: <20060908105329.16647.31409.launchpad@canonical@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Specification changed by Henrik Nilsen Omma: Whiteboard changed to: kamion 2006-07-05: review ok with minor edits mdz 2006-07-05: design for focus grab prevention is indefinite; please take a decision about how to handle it and document in the spec heno 2006-07-05: fixed mdz 2006-07-05: Approved heno: 2006-09-08: Upstream patches exist but are not considered mature enough; will get more testing in Gnome 2.17. Deferred and deploying some work-arounds for users. -- Specification Details: GUI admin tools should work with AT-SPI https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/sudo-admin-atspi From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 8 14:33:55 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:33:55 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59531] Add a 'Quit Orca' button References: <20060908143355.16647.56054.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908143355.16647.56054.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Orca is primarily designed with blind users in mind who tend to use keyboard shortcuts for computer navigation. The only implemented way of stopping Orca normally (other than 'killall orca') was with the Insert+q keybinding. This is fine for blind users who prefer that, but when we integrate Orca in the main Ubuntu desktop we also need an easily discoverable way for users to close it. This patch creates a 'Quit Orca' button which does that. The next patch replaces the OK and Cancel buttons with a Close and Apply button. This is more useful because Orca does not use gconf and hence does not have instant apply. Magnification users have requested this change because when they tweak the magnifier settings it is much more useable this way. (patches by Chris Jones) ** Affects: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Add a 'Quit Orca' button https://launchpad.net/bugs/59531 From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 8 14:35:26 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:35:26 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59531] Re: Add a 'Quit Orca' button References: <20060908143355.16647.56054.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908143526.12796.78269.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "Apply and Cancel buttons patch" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4197495/apply_cancel.dpatch -- Add a 'Quit Orca' button https://launchpad.net/bugs/59531 From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 8 14:34:39 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:34:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59531] Re: Add a 'Quit Orca' button References: <20060908143355.16647.56054.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908143439.12752.83594.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "Add quit button patch" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4197494/quitbutton.dpatch -- Add a 'Quit Orca' button https://launchpad.net/bugs/59531 From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 8 14:41:09 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:41:09 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59532] Start Orca in --gui-setup mode from the menus References: <20060908144109.16587.56378.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908144109.16587.56378.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: When starting Orca from the Gnome menus it would be best to start it from in the gui setup mode so that average desktop users and magnification users can see what is happening. Please change the settings to do that (suggested patch will be attached). Also, Orca should be removed from the default Gnome menus, since we are planning to start it from the gnome-at-preferences utility. ** Affects: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Start Orca in --gui-setup mode from the menus https://launchpad.net/bugs/59532 From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 8 14:41:56 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:41:56 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59532] Re: Start Orca in --gui-setup mode from the menus References: <20060908144109.16587.56378.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908144156.16587.35712.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "change orca .desktop entry" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4197496/desktopguisetup.dpatch -- Start Orca in --gui-setup mode from the menus https://launchpad.net/bugs/59532 From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 8 15:45:01 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:45:01 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59531] Re: Add a 'Quit Orca' button References: <20060908143355.16647.56054.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908154501.16587.85704.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #354689 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354689 ** Also affects: gnome-desktop (upstream) via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354689 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Add a 'Quit Orca' button https://launchpad.net/bugs/59531 From alpuzz at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 19:58:24 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:58:24 -0400 Subject: bringing up the volume control? Message-ID: <003501c6d381$26397720$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, Just wondering what the most accessible method is to bring up the volume control applet? The only way I know of at present to do so is to bring up sound recorder, and then to select open volume control from the file menu. The problem is that this method is not obvious, especially for new users. I believe older versions of Gnome had a volume control menu item under sound and video, and I'm curious as to why it was removed? --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I reported a problem with memory usage in gnome-mag on this mailing list and on the GNOME accessibility mailing list. The maintainer doesn't seem to have time to fix this and I completely understand him. The xmcm project doesn't seem to make any progress - either that or they don't make announcements. I don't blame the devolepers that are working voluntarily in the free software community, but I can't help being disappointed by the fact that companies like IBM, Sun, Novell, Red Hat, Mandriva, Linspire and Canonical can't hire a few programmers to develop a decent, reliable, easy-to-use and light screen magnifier. I love to bash Microsoft, but they have a good magnifier since Windows 98. Thanks for bearing with this rant, Aurelian Radu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From William.Walker at Sun.COM Sat Sep 9 12:11:10 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:11:10 -0400 Subject: Screen magnification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1157803871.15740.70.camel@localhost> Hi Aurelian: The current magnification support for the Linux desktop definitely needs some improvement, and there is work underway to provide this. It hasn't hit the streets yet, though. I'm not part of that team, but we are paying a little bit of attention to the work since we plan on using it in Orca. In addition, I notice you say Orca is pretty flaky. It would help us (the Orca team) greatly if you were more specific about what you meant by "flaky". Otherwise, it is difficult for us to know what problems you are seeing. In fact, the problems may be elsewhere in the system (audio, base support, etc.), but we can't tell for sure until we have a constructive dialog with you. I encourage you to help become part of the solution by joining the orca mailing list (http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list) as well as logging informative and specific bugs and feature requests for the "orca" component at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=orca. Thanks, Will (Orca project lead) On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 12:31 +0300, Aurelian Radu wrote: > Hello, list, > > > I see a lot of talk about speech on this mailling list, but almost > nothing about screen magnification. I recently installed Edgy Knot 2 > and I see Gnopernicus has been replaced by Orca. But the magnifier > doesn't seem to work under Orca (which is pretty flaky itself). I > reported a problem with memory usage in gnome-mag on this mailing list > and on the GNOME accessibility mailing list. The maintainer doesn't > seem to have time to fix this and I completely understand him. The > xmcm project doesn't seem to make any progress - either that or they > don't make announcements. > > I don't blame the devolepers that are working voluntarily in the free > software community, but I can't help being disappointed by the fact > that companies like IBM, Sun, Novell, Red Hat, Mandriva, Linspire and > Canonical can't hire a few programmers to develop a decent, reliable, > easy-to-use and light screen magnifier. I love to bash Microsoft, but > they have a good magnifier since Windows 98. > > > Thanks for bearing with this rant, > Aurelian Radu From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 9 22:45:59 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:45:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: boot Message-ID: <0J5C00H81KKN91G4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi is there a simple boot loader that can be put on a hard drive that will see and allow you to boot from a usb drive. I know there are not any that talk, but maybe someone knows of one that you could use the arrow keys to pick the drive you want to boot from. Thanks for any help Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0636-3, 09/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 9 23:13:23 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:13:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: drives Message-ID: <0J5C00HXHLUB97N4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi,How do you see the harddrive on the computer. I see my usb drive on the desktop but no hard drive. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Sep 10 00:26:12 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:26:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: programs Message-ID: <0J5C00LXJP7NEVX5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I had someone help me install on a fat 32 drive. It seems if the drive has the other file system on it, you can't install. I am running into a problem with open office. It loads but not right away. After I open another program the writer comes up. But pressing enter on it once doesn't seem to work. Also I see nothing on the desktop. Shouldn't there be a drive see and the CD ROM. Thanks Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Sep 10 02:07:02 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:07:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: bug Message-ID: <0J5C00LDOTVPF626@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, has anyone used the movie player. When ever I try it orca stops speaking, and I have to restart gnome to get it back. Some good news, I put a CD in and was able to play and abstract the tracks I wanted using orca. Looks like it's getting better every day. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0636-3, 09/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From felipemonteiro.carvalho at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 11:21:29 2006 From: felipemonteiro.carvalho at gmail.com (Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:21:29 -0300 Subject: Screen magnification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/9/06, Aurelian Radu wrote: > I see a lot of talk about speech on this mailling list, but almost nothing > about screen magnification. I am one of the developers of the Virtual Magnifying Glass, a cross-platform screen magnifier http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/ If you could take some time to test it, and give any feed back, I would be happy to try to fix any problems you find in it. thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho From roger at lovato.com.br Fri Sep 8 13:49:53 2006 From: roger at lovato.com.br (RogerLovato) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:49:53 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908134953.16587.47403.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Another crash log ** Attachment added: "crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4185873/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From aaronjlynch at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 14:07:22 2006 From: aaronjlynch at gmail.com (aaronjlynch) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:07:22 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908140722.16587.12952.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> crash log ** Attachment added: "crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4194972/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From jacobmp92 at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 21:13:17 2006 From: jacobmp92 at gmail.com (Jacob Peddicord) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:13:17 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908211317.16647.21879.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Yet another crash log ** Attachment added: "Crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4204055/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi Fri Sep 8 22:30:41 2006 From: ari.torhamo at saunalahti.fi (Ari Torhamo) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:30:41 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060908223041.16587.42995.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Got a crash too after trying Orca. None before. ** Attachment added: "Crash file" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4204940/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From avilella at gmail.com Sat Sep 9 07:39:31 2006 From: avilella at gmail.com (Albert Vilella) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:39:31 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060909073932.12796.87477.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> my crash log. ** Attachment added: "crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4207179/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From ebelt9hf at gmx.at Sat Sep 9 12:57:05 2006 From: ebelt9hf at gmx.at (E-B) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:57:05 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060909125705.12752.43797.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Here a problem report, I just click on the icon and it crashed... ** Attachment added: "Problem Report for at-spi" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4207843/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From nessmuk at interbaun.com Sat Sep 9 15:17:27 2006 From: nessmuk at interbaun.com (Chris Smolyk) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:17:27 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060909151727.16647.65651.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> while opening an image in F-Spot ** Attachment added: "While opening F-Spot" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4208198/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From ptomes at ubuntu.cz Sat Sep 9 16:17:52 2006 From: ptomes at ubuntu.cz (=?utf-8?q?Petr_Tome=C5=A1?=) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:17:52 -0000 Subject: [Bug 37834] Re: Hard to read text over progress bar References: <20060403060330.23733.88096.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060909161752.16647.63102.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 37603 *** ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 37603 Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits -- Hard to read text over progress bar https://launchpad.net/bugs/37834 From ptomes at ubuntu.cz Sat Sep 9 16:16:57 2006 From: ptomes at ubuntu.cz (=?utf-8?q?Petr_Tome=C5=A1?=) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:16:57 -0000 Subject: [Bug 37603] Re: Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits References: <20060401160516.5415.73320.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060909161657.12796.79471.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: ubuntulooks (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Artwork Team Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed ** Bug 37834 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits https://launchpad.net/bugs/37603 From admin at brokencrystal.com Sat Sep 9 18:09:57 2006 From: admin at brokencrystal.com (brokencrystal.com) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:09:57 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59680] not sure References: <20060909180957.12796.47557.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060909180957.12796.47557.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: I was doing an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade rebooted pc crash report popped up ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- not sure https://launchpad.net/bugs/59680 From samuel at islabinaria.com Sun Sep 10 01:08:28 2006 From: samuel at islabinaria.com (samuel) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:08:28 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59714] Problem report for at-spi References: <20060910010829.12796.4473.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060910010829.12796.4473.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: ProblemType: Crash Date: Sat Sep 9 19:47:20 2006 Dependencies: lsb-base 3.1-10ubuntu2 libslang2 2.0.6-2 ttf-dejavu 2.7-2 whiptail 0.52.2-5.1ubuntu1 libtext-charwidth-perl 0.04-4 libxrender1 1:0.9.1-0ubuntu1 libbonobo2-0 2.16.0-0ubuntu1 fontconfig 2.3.2-7ubuntu1 liblocale-gettext-perl 1.05-1 libxau6 1:1.0.1-1 libxfixes3 1:4.0.1-0ubuntu1 libjpeg62 6b-13 libgail-common 1.9.2-0ubuntu1 libacl1 2.2.39-1ubuntu2 liblzo1 1.08-3 libncurses5 5.5-2ubuntu1 libgtk2.0-0 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 libgpg-error0 1.2-1 libidl0 0.8.6-1ubuntu1 libpopt0 1.10-2 libxcursor1 1.1.7-0ubuntu1 libatspi1.0-0 1.7.11-0ubuntu1 libfontconfig1 2.3.2-7ubuntu1 libglib2.0-0 2.12.3-1ubuntu1 libpng12-0 1.2.8rel-5.1 defoma 0.11.10 libbonobo2-common 2.16.0-0ubuntu1 libtext-wrapi18n-perl 0.06-5 libtiff4 3.8.2-6 sed 4.1.5-1 libcupsys2 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 mktemp 1.5-2 libxrandr2 2:1.1.1-0ubuntu1 libselinux1 1.30-1 libmagic1 4.17-2ubuntu1 libattr1 2.4.32-1 libgail18 1.9.2-0ubuntu1 liborbit2 1:2.14.3-0ubuntu1 libgnomecanvas2-0 2.14.0-3ubuntu1 fontconfig-config 2.3.2-7ubuntu1 libgnutls13 1.4.0-3 debconf 1.5.2ubuntu2 libxtst6 2:1.0.1-3build1 libxinerama1 2:1.0.1-4build1 libxext6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 ucf 2.0012 libpango1.0-common 1.14.3-0ubuntu1 libgtk2.0-bin 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 libnewt0.52 0.52.2-5.1ubuntu1 libgcrypt11 1.2.2-2 libgnomecanvas2-common 2.14.0-3ubuntu1 debconf-i18n 1.5.2ubuntu2 perl 5.8.8-6 tzdata 2006g-2ubuntu1 libxi6 2:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 libcairo2 1.2.4-1ubuntu1 x11-common 1:7.0.22ubuntu8 libsepol1 1.12-1 libart-2.0-2 2.3.17-1 debianutils 2.16.2 locales 2.3.20 mcpp 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 libglade2-0 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu1 belocs-locales-bin 2.4-1ubuntu3 libtasn1-3 0.3.5-1 libxdmcp6 1:1.0.1-1 libx11-data 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu3 libatk1.0-0 1.12.1-0ubuntu1 file 4.17-2ubuntu1 libxml2 2.6.26.dfsg-2ubuntu3 libfreetype6 2.2.1-2ubuntu1 libtext-iconv-perl 1.4-3 libice6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 libopencdk8 0.5.8-1 libsm6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 perl-modules 5.8.8-6 coreutils 5.96-5ubuntu3 libgdbm3 1.8.3-3 libgtk2.0-common 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 libx11-6 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu3 ncurses-bin 5.5-2ubuntu1 zlib1g 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu1 libc6 2.4-1ubuntu9 libxevie1 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 libxft2 2.1.10-1ubuntu1 perl-base 5.8.8-6 libdb4.4 4.4.20-6 libpango1.0-0 1.14.3-0ubuntu1 libexpat1 1.95.8-3.2 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 6.10 ExecutablePath: /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd Package: at-spi 1.7.11-0ubuntu1 ProcCmdline: /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:Accessibility_Registry:1.0 --oaf-ior-fd=17 ProcEnviron: LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=es_ES:es:en_GB:en PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games SHELL=/bin/bash ProcMaps: 08048000-08053000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 16791 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd 08053000-08055000 rw-p 0000a000 08:06 16791 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd 08055000-089c8000 rw-p 08055000 00:00 0 [heap] b743b000-b743c000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2457858 /usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so b743c000-b743e000 rw-p 00001000 08:06 2457858 /usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so b743e000-b7445000 r--s 00000000 08:06 2448897 /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache b7445000-b744e000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060832 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_files-2.4.so b744e000-b7450000 rw-p 00008000 08:06 1060832 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_files-2.4.so b7450000-b7458000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060834 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_nis-2.4.so b7458000-b745a000 rw-p 00007000 08:06 1060834 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_nis-2.4.so b745a000-b746c000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060829 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.4.so b746c000-b746e000 rw-p 00011000 08:06 1060829 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.4.so b746e000-b7470000 rw-p b746e000 00:00 0 b7470000-b7477000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060830 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_compat-2.4.so b7477000-b7479000 rw-p 00006000 08:06 1060830 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_compat-2.4.so b7479000-b747b000 rw-p b7479000 00:00 0 b747b000-b747f000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449526 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b747f000-b7480000 rw-p 00003000 08:06 2449526 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b7480000-b749c000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448785 /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1.0.0 b749c000-b749e000 rw-p 0001c000 08:06 2448785 /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1.0.0 b749e000-b749f000 rw-p b749e000 00:00 0 b749f000-b74a1000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449200 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b74a1000-b74a2000 rw-p 00001000 08:06 2449200 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b74a2000-b74a9000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060839 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/librt-2.4.so b74a9000-b74ab000 rw-p 00006000 08:06 1060839 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/librt-2.4.so b74ab000-b75d8000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060823 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so b75d8000-b75da000 r--p 0012c000 08:06 1060823 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so b75da000-b75dc000 rw-p 0012e000 08:06 1060823 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so b75dc000-b75e0000 rw-p b75dc000 00:00 0 b75e0000-b76a6000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448718 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 b76a6000-b76a9000 rw-p 000c5000 08:06 2448718 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 b76a9000-b76be000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2451997 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 b76be000-b76bf000 rw-p 00014000 08:06 2451997 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 b76bf000-b76c1000 rw-p b76bf000 00:00 0 b76c1000-b76c9000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2451725 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b76c9000-b76ca000 rw-p 00007000 08:06 2451725 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b76ca000-b775b000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448775 /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b775b000-b775c000 rw-p 00091000 08:06 2448775 /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b775c000-b775e000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060826 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.4.so b775e000-b7760000 rw-p 00001000 08:06 1060826 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.4.so b7760000-b7763000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448778 /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b7763000-b7764000 rw-p 00002000 08:06 2448778 /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b7764000-b7765000 rw-p b7764000 00:00 0 b7765000-b779e000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448777 /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b779e000-b779f000 rw-p 00038000 08:06 2448777 /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b779f000-b77c3000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060827 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm-2.4.so b77c3000-b77c5000 rw-p 00023000 08:06 1060827 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm-2.4.so b77c5000-b77cc000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2452013 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b77cc000-b77cd000 rw-p 00006000 08:06 2452013 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b77cd000-b77ef000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448328 /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 b77ef000-b77f0000 rw-p 00021000 08:06 2448328 /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 b77f0000-b7818000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2450909 /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1.0.4 b7818000-b781d000 rw-p 00027000 08:06 2450909 /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1.0.4 b781d000-b781e000 rw-p b781d000 00:00 0 b781e000-b7831000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448790 /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 b7831000-b7832000 rw-p 00012000 08:06 2448790 /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 b7832000-b7833000 rw-p b7832000 00:00 0 b7833000-b7897000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448793 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.10 b7897000-b789a000 rw-p 00064000 08:06 2448793 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.10 b789a000-b78fa000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2450912 /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.9.2 b78fa000-b78fc000 rw-p 0005f000 08:06 2450912 /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.9.2 b78fc000-b7934000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449085 /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b7934000-b7936000 rw-p 00037000 08:06 2449085 /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b7936000-b793a000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2451660 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 b793a000-b793b000 rw-p 00003000 08:06 2451660 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 b793b000-b7943000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2452017 /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 b7943000-b7944000 rw-p 00007000 08:06 2452017 /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 b7944000-b7946000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2451732 /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2.0.0 b7946000-b7947000 rw-p 00002000 08:06 2451732 /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2.0.0 b7947000-b7948000 rw-p b7947000 00:00 0 b7948000-b794f000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449204 /usr/lib/libXi.so.6.0.0 b794f000-b7950000 rw-p 00006000 08:06 2449204 /usr/lib/libXi.so.6.0.0 b7950000-b7952000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2452049 /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1.0.0 b7952000-b7953000 rw-p 00001000 08:06 2452049 /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1.0.0 b7953000-b795f000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449202 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b795f000-b7960000 rw-p 0000c000 08:06 2449202 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7960000-b798a000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449087 /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b798a000-b798b000 rw-p 00029000 08:06 2449087 /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b798b000-b7992000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449089 /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b7992000-b7993000 rw-p 00006000 08:06 2449089 /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b7993000-b79a8000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449559 /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b79a8000-b79a9000 rw-p 00015000 08:06 2449559 /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b79a9000-b79aa000 rw-p b79a9000 00:00 0 b79aa000-b79c1000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448781 /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0.1211.0 b79c1000-b79c3000 rw-p 00017000 08:06 2448781 /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0.1211.0 b79c3000-b7a44000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449560 /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b7a44000-b7a47000 rw-p 00081000 08:06 2449560 /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b7a47000-b7d90000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449561 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b7d90000-b7d97000 rw-p 00348000 08:06 2449561 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b7d97000-b7d98000 rw-p b7d97000 00:00 0 b7d98000-b7da7000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 1060837 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread-2.4.so b7da7000-b7da9000 rw-p 0000f000 08:06 1060837 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread-2.4.so b7da9000-b7dab000 rw-p b7da9000 00:00 0 b7dab000-b7daf000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2448779 /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b7daf000-b7db0000 rw-p 00003000 08:06 2448779 /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b7db0000-b7df7000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449032 /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0.1.0 b7df7000-b7e01000 rw-p 00046000 08:06 2449032 /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0.1.0 b7e01000-b7e02000 rw-p b7e01000 00:00 0 b7e02000-b7e05000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449039 /usr/lib/libORBitCosNaming-2.so.0.1.0 b7e05000-b7e06000 rw-p 00003000 08:06 2449039 /usr/lib/libORBitCosNaming-2.so.0.1.0 b7e06000-b7e18000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449537 /usr/lib/libbonobo-activation.so.4.0.0 b7e18000-b7e1a000 rw-p 00012000 08:06 2449537 /usr/lib/libbonobo-activation.so.4.0.0 b7e1a000-b7e6a000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449536 /usr/lib/libbonobo-2.so.0.0.0 b7e6a000-b7e74000 rw-p 0004f000 08:06 2449536 /usr/lib/libbonobo-2.so.0.0.0 b7e74000-b7e75000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449581 /usr/lib/libXevie.so.1.0.0 b7e75000-b7e76000 rw-p 00000000 08:06 2449581 /usr/lib/libXevie.so.1.0.0 b7e76000-b7e7a000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449570 /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6.1.0 b7e7a000-b7e7b000 rw-p 00003000 08:06 2449570 /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6.1.0 b7e7b000-b7e8f000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2454254 /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2.3.17 b7e8f000-b7e90000 rw-p 00013000 08:06 2454254 /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2.3.17 b7e90000-b7e91000 rw-p b7e90000 00:00 0 b7e91000-b7eb9000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449104 /usr/lib/libgnomecanvas-2.so.0.1400.0 b7eb9000-b7eba000 rw-p 00027000 08:06 2449104 /usr/lib/libgnomecanvas-2.so.0.1400.0 b7eba000-b7ec0000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449566 /usr/lib/libgailutil.so.18.0.1 b7ec0000-b7ec1000 rw-p 00006000 08:06 2449566 /usr/lib/libgailutil.so.18.0.1 b7ec1000-b7f06000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 2449578 /usr/lib/libspi.so.0.10.11 b7f06000-b7f10000 rw-p 00045000 08:06 2449578 /usr/lib/libspi.so.0.10.11 b7f15000-b7f16000 rw-p b7f15000 00:00 0 b7f16000-b7f1b000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 82131 /usr/lib/X11/locale/common/xlibi18n.so.2.0.0 b7f1b000-b7f1c000 rw-p 00004000 08:06 82131 /usr/lib/X11/locale/common/xlibi18n.so.2.0.0 b7f1c000-b7f1e000 rw-p b7f1c000 00:00 0 b7f1e000-b7f37000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 295126 /lib/ld-2.4.so b7f37000-b7f39000 rw-p 00018000 08:06 295126 /lib/ld-2.4.so bf9aa000-bf9c0000 rw-p bf9aa000 00:00 0 [stack] ffffe000-fffff000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] ProcStatus: Name: at-spi-registry State: D (disk sleep) SleepAVG: 98% Tgid: 8079 Pid: 8079 PPid: 1 TracerPid: 0 Uid: 1000 1000 1000 1000 Gid: 1000 1000 1000 1000 FDSize: 256 Groups: 4 20 24 25 29 30 44 46 106 110 112 1000 VmPeak: 21060 kB VmSize: 21052 kB VmLck: 0 kB VmHWM: 13808 kB VmRSS: 13808 kB VmData: 9772 kB VmStk: 88 kB VmExe: 44 kB VmLib: 10664 kB VmPTE: 28 kB Threads: 1 SigQ: 0/4294967295 SigPnd: 0000000000000000 ShdPnd: 0000000000000000 SigBlk: 0000000000000000 SigIgn: 0000000020001000 SigCgt: 0000000180000000 CapInh: 0000000000000000 CapPrm: 0000000000000000 CapEff: 0000000000000000 Cpus_allowed: ff Mems_allowed: 1 Signal: 11 SourcePackage: at-spi Uname: Linux mipc 2.6.17-7-generic #2 SMP Wed Sep 6 17:56:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Problem report for at-spi https://launchpad.net/bugs/59714 From nw15062 at mac.com Sun Sep 10 11:34:06 2006 From: nw15062 at mac.com (nmwillard) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:34:06 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060910113406.12752.16500.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Updating the repositories in Software Sources applet. ** Attachment added: "While updating Repo Lists in Software Sources" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4212306/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From nessmuk at interbaun.com Sun Sep 10 17:05:19 2006 From: nessmuk at interbaun.com (Chris Smolyk) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:05:19 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59714] Re: Problem report for at-spi References: <20060910010829.12796.4473.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060910170519.16647.59541.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> I had the same thing, shortly after reboot, opening a few web pages and images ** Attachment added: "bomb icon showed in menubar" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4213739/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Problem report for at-spi https://launchpad.net/bugs/59714 From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Sep 10 21:35:11 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:35:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: crash Message-ID: <0J5E001BLBYMGTM9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I have been having a problem with open office writer crashing every time I try to use it. Is anyone else having this problem. Have a nice day Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0636-3, 09/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From corey.burger at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 21:46:24 2006 From: corey.burger at gmail.com (Corey Burger) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:46:24 -0700 Subject: crash In-Reply-To: <0J5E001BLBYMGTM9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5E001BLBYMGTM9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <348bd6da0609101446l347e6098t1b0eba91a112e10@mail.gmail.com> On 9/10/06, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I have been having a problem with open office writer crashing every time I try to use it. > Is anyone else having this problem. > Have a nice day Mike. I would say welcome to OpenOffice, but.. If you are running Edgy, OO.o crashes when you try and save. Corey From corey.burger at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 22:39:54 2006 From: corey.burger at gmail.com (Corey Burger) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:39:54 -0700 Subject: [Bug 59680] not sure In-Reply-To: <20060909180957.12796.47557.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> References: <20060909180957.12796.47557.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> <20060909180957.12796.47557.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <348bd6da0609101539g44b945b8t17ee0f5ce08afccd@mail.gmail.com> On 9/9/06, brokencrystal.com wrote: > Public bug reported: > > I was doing an > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > > rebooted pc > > crash report popped up > > ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) > Importance: Untriaged > Status: Unconfirmed > > -- > not sure > https://launchpad.net/bugs/59680 This bug is a known issue and is being looked into. Cheers, Corey From corey.burger at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 22:39:54 2006 From: corey.burger at gmail.com (Corey Burger) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:39:54 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59680] Re: [Bug 59680] not sure References: <20060909180957.12796.47557.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <348bd6da0609101539g44b945b8t17ee0f5ce08afccd@mail.gmail.com> On 9/9/06, brokencrystal.com wrote: > Public bug reported: > > I was doing an > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > > rebooted pc > > crash report popped up > > ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) > Importance: Untriaged > Status: Unconfirmed > > -- > not sure > https://launchpad.net/bugs/59680 This bug is a known issue and is being looked into. Cheers, Corey -- not sure https://launchpad.net/bugs/59680 From nessmuk at interbaun.com Mon Sep 11 02:39:17 2006 From: nessmuk at interbaun.com (Chris Smolyk) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:39:17 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060911023000.12796.531.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: At 2:30 AM +0000 on 9/11/06, Andrew Conkling wrote: > What information is still needed for this bug? > > -- > Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently > https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 I have no idea how to answer this question about more information. I've switched back to using Dapper....not feeling up to testing. chriss -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From andrew.conkling at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 02:30:00 2006 From: andrew.conkling at gmail.com (Andrew Conkling) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:30:00 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911023000.12796.531.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> What information is still needed for this bug? -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 11 06:16:53 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:16:53 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911061653.12796.77762.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> We need more backtraces, especially with debug symbols. Trying it yesterday, I couldn't reproduce the issue. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace might help there. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lahansen at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 07:05:54 2006 From: lahansen at gmail.com (Lennart Hansen) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:05:54 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911070554.16647.52599.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Having problems recompiling the at-spi package as instructed in the wiki, it complains about missing files. I did however manage to make a valgrind log. Hope this can be of some use. ** Attachment added: "Valgrind log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4215804/valgrind-logs-at-api-registryd.tar.gz -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lahansen at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 07:08:10 2006 From: lahansen at gmail.com (Lennart Hansen) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:08:10 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911070810.12752.62283.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Just a note, this is a fresh installation from the daily snapshot image, and i could reproduce this crash by running Orca, saying yes all way through in first run, restart and there we go, crash comes every time. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lahansen at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 07:22:54 2006 From: lahansen at gmail.com (Lennart Hansen) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:22:54 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911072254.12752.57864.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Builld log where it failes in case this would be relevant. ** Attachment added: "apt-get source -b at-spi failes" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4215811/apt-get-source-errors.log -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 11 10:03:41 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:03:41 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59714] Re: Problem report for at-spi References: <20060910010829.12796.4473.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911100341.12752.68407.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Thanks for your bug report. Is this a duplicate of bug 56452? ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Medium Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- Problem report for at-spi https://launchpad.net/bugs/59714 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 11 10:03:23 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:03:23 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59680] Re: not sure References: <20060909180957.12796.47557.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911100323.16587.90359.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Thanks for your bug report. Is this a duplicate of bug 56452? ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Medium Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- not sure https://launchpad.net/bugs/59680 From lists at janc.be Mon Sep 11 13:31:13 2006 From: lists at janc.be (Jan Claeys) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:31:13 +0200 Subject: drives In-Reply-To: <0J5C00HXHLUB97N4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5C00HXHLUB97N4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1157981474.5109.240.camel@bedsa> Op za, 09-09-2006 te 18:13 -0500, schreef mike coulombe: > Hi,How do you see the harddrive on the computer. > I see my usb drive on the desktop but no hard drive. By default, only "removable" disks are on the desktop. You can use the 'Locations' menu or nautilus (the file browser) to navigate to other places in the file system. -- Jan Claeys From samuel at islabinaria.com Mon Sep 11 15:09:16 2006 From: samuel at islabinaria.com (samuel) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:09:16 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59714] Re: Problem report for at-spi References: <20060910010829.12796.4473.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911150916.16587.91542.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Comparing both logs I think yes; this is a duplicate. This one: [...] DistroRelease: Ubuntu 6.10 ExecutablePath: /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd Package: at-spi 1.7.11-0ubuntu1 [...] ProcMaps: 08048000-08053000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 16791 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd 08053000-08055000 rw-p 0000a000 08:06 16791 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd 08055000-089c8000 rw-p 08055000 00:00 0 [heap] [...] #56452 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 6.10 ExecutablePath: /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd Package: at-spi 1.7.10-0ubuntu1 [...] ProcMaps: 00400000-0040d000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 13799239 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd 0050d000-0050f000 rw-p 0000d000 03:01 13799239 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd 0050f000-005d2000 rw-p 0050f000 00:00 0 [heap] [...] Sorry, the next time I'll pay more attention and also I'll use the "Include attachement" feature ! xD -- Problem report for at-spi https://launchpad.net/bugs/59714 From krister at kristersplace.ws Mon Sep 11 15:45:27 2006 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:45:27 +0200 Subject: Should i file a bug, or is this a known issue or am i missing something obvious? Message-ID: <45058497.6040802@kristersplace.ws> Hi folks, I'm running Ubuntu Edgy on an IBM Net Vista with a built-in Intel Graphics card model 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV. The computer's got 512 Meg ram and i run Linux on a 40 Gig hard drive. The problem i'm having is that my desktop in Ubuntu is wobbly to say the least. Every time i do something in any application, like pressing "ok" after typing in a password for mail in Evolution or making a change in any preferences dialog or ... do anything, Orca, or it could be the whole system, i'm not sure, freezes and i can do nothing. The only method i've found that helps is to totally reboot and start all over again. Another thing that's strange, is that i can only run my system at a color depth of 16 bits and the only resolution setting that's visible in Gnome is 640x480. Does anyone using graphics programs today actually use a resolution that low? I have tried to change the allocated video RAM in the Xorg.conf but to no avail, i only get one resolution. Could these two problems i've described be related in some way? Is this a known issue or am i doing something wrong or should i file a bug on this. I don't know if there's an error log of some kind and i can not seem to get some dialog when the system hangs, so wonder what to do. Sorry for these newbyish questions. -- /Krister From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 11 15:41:16 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:41:16 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59714] Re: Problem report for at-spi References: <20060910010829.12796.4473.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911154116.12796.46310.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 56452 *** ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 56452 Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Rejected -- Problem report for at-spi https://launchpad.net/bugs/59714 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 11 15:41:16 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:41:16 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911154117.12796.46022.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Bug 59714 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From 3 at knixtech.com Mon Sep 11 15:16:42 2006 From: 3 at knixtech.com (STORMCHAS3R) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:16:42 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Re: Sudden crash References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911151642.12796.80639.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Ya, just installed knot 2 and this was my first bug. -- Sudden crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From lahansen at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 18:23:04 2006 From: lahansen at gmail.com (Lennart Hansen) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:23:04 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060911182304.12796.37495.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Managed to catch an strace as well. ** Attachment added: "at-spi-registry crash strace" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4222911/at-spi-registry.strace.txt -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Sep 11 21:40:49 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:40:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: update Message-ID: <0J5G004HD6W1HX12@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi if I have someone click on the update button, will it look for orca and open office updates or do I have to do something different to get them. Also have there even been any updates since knot-2. Thanks Mike. From alpuzz at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 22:44:13 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:44:13 -0400 Subject: Playing CDs under Edgy? Message-ID: <000c01c6d5f3$ce863930$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, At first blush, this might seem like a symplistic question, and perhaps it's not even an accessibility related issue, but if there's an obvious way to play CDs out of the box On the Gnome desktop under Edgy, I have no idea what it is. Under other distributions, with older versions of Gnome, there used to be a CD player menu item under sounds and video. Has the option to launch the CD player been moved to one of the panels, or is it just not being installed by default any more? Or, am I perhaps just missing it? Thanks, --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Sep 12 00:41:22 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanmarie Diggs) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:41:22 -0400 Subject: Playing CDs under Edgy? In-Reply-To: <000c01c6d5f3$ce863930$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <000c01c6d5f3$ce863930$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <1158021682.4766.6.camel@pokey> Hey Al. Give Sound Juicer CD Extractor a try. Ignore the app's name: It lets you *play* CDs too. And it works very nicely with Orca. Hope this helps. Joanie On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 18:44 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > At first blush, this might seem like a symplistic question, and > perhaps it's not even an accessibility related issue, but if there's > an obvious way to play CDs out of the box On the Gnome desktop under > Edgy, I have no idea what it is. Under other distributions, with > older versions of Gnome, there used to be a CD player menu item under > sounds and video. Has the option to launch the CD player been moved > to one of the panels, or is it just not being installed by default any > more? Or, am I perhaps just missing it? > > Thanks, > > --Al > From alpuzz at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 02:10:29 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:10:29 -0400 Subject: Playing CDs under Edgy? References: <000c01c6d5f3$ce863930$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1158021682.4766.6.camel@pokey> Message-ID: <001c01c6d610$a0467270$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi Joanie, Thanks, that was exactly my problem. Sound Juicer was coming up automagically, and when it did, my first thought was, thanks, but I wana play the disk, not extract it, LOL. I guess sometimes, it's best to actually trust the OS. Anyway, thanks and have a good night, --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanmarie Diggs" To: "Al Puzzuoli" Cc: "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Playing CDs under Edgy? > Hey Al. > > Give Sound Juicer CD Extractor a try. Ignore the app's name: It lets > you *play* CDs too. And it works very nicely with Orca. > > Hope this helps. > Joanie > > On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 18:44 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> At first blush, this might seem like a symplistic question, and >> perhaps it's not even an accessibility related issue, but if there's >> an obvious way to play CDs out of the box On the Gnome desktop under >> Edgy, I have no idea what it is. Under other distributions, with >> older versions of Gnome, there used to be a CD player menu item under >> sounds and video. Has the option to launch the CD player been moved >> to one of the panels, or is it just not being installed by default any >> more? Or, am I perhaps just missing it? >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Al >> > From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 12 05:54:41 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:54:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: possible bug Message-ID: <0J5G00FJ9TR4X7G2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I may have found a bug. I was able to create a second account using orca. After that when I logged in to it I got no sound. When I logged back in to my account I had sound but orca didn't speak. Anyone else had this problem. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-0, 09/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From bensalah.maher at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 02:49:13 2006 From: bensalah.maher at gmail.com (Maher) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:49:13 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912024913.12796.80648.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "another one" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4226710/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 12 09:29:32 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:29:32 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912092932.17774.8791.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Ok... thanks for all the crash reports, but they're not of much use if they don't contain a backtrace, preferrably one with debug symbols. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 12 11:08:46 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:08:46 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912110846.17774.65686.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> I played with orca (and a11y turned on) extensively now on an amd64 and a i386 live CD, both current Edgy - no breakage whatsovever. Can anybody please give me instructions how to reproduce and please try this with a new user. I think it was Bill who reckoned it might be a configuration problem. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 12 15:05:14 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:05:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: accounts Message-ID: <0J5H00KFUJ8P8MN7@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi I created a third account today and have the same problem When I log in there is no sound. I assume I am in because if I try to open a program I can hear the hard drive working. If I enter a nave that is not on the system I hear nothing. Is there any way I can turn the voleum up with the keyboard. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-0, 09/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 12 15:15:08 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:15:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: bug Message-ID: <0J5H004QXJP7J5O4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I played with this a little more by starting the computer again and trying to log in to the other account. I got no sound. When I logged in to mine I did get sound but orca didn't talk. So this may be a problem with orca. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-0, 09/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 12 15:23:19 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:23:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: creating Message-ID: <0J5H00C0RK2UH9EB@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> One other thing,when creating the accounts. I noticed orca didn't say checked or unchecked when I arrowed threw the different privileges. From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Sep 12 15:18:25 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:18:25 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912151825.17774.40385.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> *For me*, the crash nearly always appears on reboot and not before. Logging out and back in is not sufficient -- which rules out live CD replication. All I have to do is launch Orca, quit Orca, and reboot. I can reproduce this 100% of the time on all three of my Edgy boxes. I'd get a backtrace if I could, but I'm not sure how I'd go about doing so given that the crash occurs on reboot. But I'm quite new to all of this. Therefore, if there's a way to pull the backtrace off under these conditions, do please let me know how, and I shall do it. In terms of trying it with a new user: Under installed Edgy i386, latest updates, Orca from CVS HEAD, Fonix DECtalk installed: 1. Create a new user -- give the new user permission to administer the system (so that the crash report icon appears upon reboot). Leave all other settings alone. 2. Log in as the new user 3. Run Orca and go through the setup process 4. Log out, then back in 5. Launch Orca 6. Quit Orca 7. Reboot and log back in as new user Crash report icon appears. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From andrew.conkling at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 15:41:09 2006 From: andrew.conkling at gmail.com (Andrew Conkling) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:41:09 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912154109.17774.37893.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> On 9/12/06, Joanie wrote: > 3. Run Orca and go through the setup process > 4. Log out, then back in > 5. Launch Orca For me, these three steps are sufficient. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 12 16:21:32 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:21:32 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912162132.17818.8045.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Please all try to get a backtrace of this - it's crucial to get the bug fixed - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace does explain how. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Sep 12 17:39:56 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:39:56 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912173956.17818.52350.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Hi Daniel. Please forgive my ignorance/newbieness but.... The page you link to has you do the following: 1. Start GDB and attach it to the process that crashes 2. Continue the process 3. **When the process crashes** retrieve a backtrack of the crash The problem I'm having is that the process doesn't crash **until I reboot**. It just keeps running. Therefore, I do not see how I can use this method to obtain the backtrace. I did try rebooting into single-user mode figuring that I could do the above and then launch X and hopefully get a backtrace that way. But it seems that at-spi-registryd doesn't get a PID until you launch GDM -- and by that point the crash has taken place. The page you link to links to "Another useful how-to". Bug Buddy never appears with the at-spi crash, so I'm looking at "Obtaining a stack trace using just GDB." The section "Obtaining a stack trace for an applet using just GDB" seems to be the relevant one. I have tried the procedure outlined there (using /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd). All that does is cause at-spi-registryd to run and exit. Nothing crashes. So what am I missing/doing wrong? I do want to help by getting a backtrace, but I'm afraid I'm going to need more explicit directions. My apologies, and thanks much in advance for your help. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 12 17:51:06 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:51:06 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912175107.30482.34212.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> What I tried was: reboot, wait for gdm to come on, type gdb -p $(pidof at-spi-registryd) - don't hit enter yet, ctrl-alt-f7, login, switch to ctrl-alt-f1, press enter -- I couldn't see it crashing. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Sep 12 18:29:41 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:29:41 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912182941.30482.26752.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Duh. I have automatic login enabled. I always forget about that... I just disabled it and tried again. *Without accessible login enabled*, the at-spi-registryd process does not yet exist when I do as you suggest. *With accessible login enabled*, the first thing I see (before I can log in) is a dialog stating, "The greeter application appears to be crashing. Attempting to use a different one." Does that mean that at- spi-registryd has already crashed??? Regardless, I then tried to attach to each of the 2 at-spi-registryd processes that exist at that point and log in. Neither of those processes crashed, but I once again had the crash report icon in the notification area -- which leads me to believe that at-spi-registryd crashed as soon as gdm attempted to present the login dialog. Thanks for your help!! If you have other things you'd like me to try, just let me know. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Sep 12 18:52:20 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:52:20 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912185220.17774.10619.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Okay, I just re-read what you suggested -- this time more carefully. :-) I disabled accessible login and followed your instructions. Now at- spi-registryd isn't crashing, but I cannot get past the splash screen either (and I did type "continue" at the gdb prompt). -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Sep 12 19:26:04 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:26:04 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912192605.30564.23990.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Update: It's not crashing upon reboot; it's crashing upon logging off/shutting down. My bad! I don't get much in the way of a backtrace, but I do get a segmentation fault. Don't see a core file getting dumped, however. Suggestions? -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lists at janc.be Tue Sep 12 20:06:56 2006 From: lists at janc.be (Jan Claeys) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:06:56 +0200 Subject: accounts In-Reply-To: <0J5H00KFUJ8P8MN7@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5H00KFUJ8P8MN7@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1158091616.5109.278.camel@bedsa> Op di, 12-09-2006 te 10:05 -0500, schreef mike coulombe: > Hi I created a third account today and have the same problem > When I log in there is no sound. > I assume I am in because if I try to open a program I can hear the > hard drive working. > If I enter a nave that is not on the system I hear nothing. I think (but I'm not sure) that your problem might be that only one user can use the sound card at the same time. > Is there any way I can turn the voleum up with the keyboard. Yes, but by default this function is mapped to the "sound volume keys" that some keyboards have (well, I think most new keyboards have them these days). -- Jan Claeys From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 12 22:16:04 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: sound Message-ID: <0J5I004TC36RIAM6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, even if I log in to one of the other accounts I created first I get the same problem. No sound. So the sound card as far as I no should be used by the first account logged in. I don't know if it is turned down or muted. If I log out of the other account and in to mine. I get sound but orca doesn't work. Any other ideas for what I can try. However if I log into mine first orca works fine. Thanks. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-0, 09/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From samuel at islabinaria.com Tue Sep 12 22:17:50 2006 From: samuel at islabinaria.com (samuel) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:17:50 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060912221751.17774.60071.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> One more log. The crash icon appeared just after GNOME starting. ** Attachment added: "at-spi crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4243975/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From dean at deansas.org Wed Sep 13 00:49:24 2006 From: dean at deansas.org (Dean Sas) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:49:24 -0000 Subject: [Bug 39997] Re: Dasher missing "hover" pop-up dialogue in menu References: <20060418124941.16492.48967.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060913004924.17818.19969.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Hovering over works using dasher 4.2.0-0ubuntu1 in edgy. Looking at the .desktop file there is a Comment= line there too. ** Changed in: dasher (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released -- Dasher missing "hover" pop-up dialogue in menu https://launchpad.net/bugs/39997 From alpuzz at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 02:32:31 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:32:31 -0400 Subject: Multichannel audio not consistent between sound cards? Message-ID: <000b01c6d6dc$dda58800$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, I am working with two machines running Edgy. One is a 4 year old desktop with an antique sound blaster live, probably dating back to the late 90s. the other is a 1 year old IBM ThinkPad T43 with SoundMax integrated audio. I have ESD enabled on both systems. I'm finding that when I attempt to play avi or mp3 files, on the pC with the sound blaster live, everything works fine; However on the laptop, I consistently lose DECtalk or Festival when the audio stream is playing. The result is that I can no longer utilize the screen reader, and lose access altogether unless I'm able to alt-f4 out of, or otherwise stop the media player. i've had this experience with mp3 as well as avi files, using both Rhythmbox and Totem Movie player. I guess I have several questions: 1. Aside from playing with ESD, is there anything I can do to resolve the issue? 2. Do all Alsa and/or OSS drivers need to meet some sort of minimum spec before their inclusion into distributions? If this is a situation where the two drivers aren't created equal, then I wonder if for purposes of accessibility, a revision of this spec should be discussed? Thanks, --Al From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Sep 13 04:04:38 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:04:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: problem with movie player and orca Message-ID: <0J5I00H1QJBP912H@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried to run movie player and lost speech. As far as I know it froze the system because nothing worked. I was able to kill the gnome session and log in again. This got orca speaking again. Has anyone else used movie player. Thanks Mike. From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 13 11:03:39 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:03:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Re: Sudden crash References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060913110340.30564.4213.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Thanks for your bug report. Is this reproducible? Could you try to get a backtrace from it? http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace might help with that. ** Changed in: gnome-speech (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Medium Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- Sudden crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From alpuzz at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 12:57:48 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:57:48 -0400 Subject: problem with movie player and orca References: <0J5I00H1QJBP912H@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000701c6d734$38763520$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi Mike, I had a similar experience both with Movie Player, as well as Rhythmbox. I'm not sure if this issue is due to sound driver configuration settings, the applications themselves, or what. On one of my machines, this happens even with ESD enabled. Perhaps someone with a better understanding of the audio subsystem could comment further. --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coulombe" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: problem with movie player and orca > Hi, I tried to run movie player and lost speech. > As far as I know it froze the system because nothing worked. > I was able to kill the gnome session and log in again. > This got orca speaking again. Has anyone else used movie player. > Thanks Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From ubuntu at kurtkraut.net Wed Sep 13 14:24:17 2006 From: ubuntu at kurtkraut.net (KurtKraut) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:24:17 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Some pattern References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060913142417.17774.5602.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> As STORMCHAS3R reported, in my case, I've just installed Knot 2 and them this crash happen. It is probably related to a fresh/recent install. That's why it never happened again to me and probably STORMCHAS3R. -- Sudden crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Sep 13 17:48:28 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:48:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: problems with accounts and sound. Message-ID: <0J5J00H6BLGRUSV2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, the problem I am having may be in gnome itself. I turned orca off and turned off accessibility support. Then I re started the computer and tried to log in to one of the other accounts I created. Same problem no sound. However I had no problem getting sound when I logged in to my account. So I will assume this is not a orca issue. Does orca remember it's settings. When I ran it again it came up talking, and I noticed accessibility support was turned on again. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-1, 09/13/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From Kwatson at smed.yi.org Wed Sep 13 23:11:34 2006 From: Kwatson at smed.yi.org (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:11:34 -0400 Subject: Multichannel audio not consistent between sound cards? In-Reply-To: <000b01c6d6dc$dda58800$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <000b01c6d6dc$dda58800$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <20060913231134.GA5229@smed.yi.org> Hi Al, I don't know about the ThinkPad, but I own a Dell D400 with an integrated Intel i810 POS. Under Winblows it works fine as they have all the mixing done by way of software. Alsa on the other hand has not yet come up with a suitable solution for the issue of software mixing. The SB Live! works because it does all it's mixing from the hardware on the card. That said, here is what I did to resolve the issue, sort of. I bought a SB Live! 24bit external usb sound card. All this bought me was an extra channel, because Alsa once again does not support this card fully. I set the sblive as my default card in the config settings and now when I boot orca/viavoice comes up talking on the sblive. As soon as I start playing an audio clip that card is taken up and orca bounces over to the intel. After I am done with the ogg file orca bounces back over to the sblive. I did notice today though that while listening to an ogg/thera movie that it did not bounce and I was once again left without audio from orca. Wonder if i can specify a particular card in preferences in the movie player? Will have to look into that one. Anyway, as far as it goes, I would look into an extra sound card for the Thinkpad. Check out www.linux-usb.org for some suggestions. Hope this helps, Keith On 10:32 PM, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi all, > > I am working with two machines running Edgy. One is a 4 year old desktop > with an antique sound blaster live, probably dating back to the late 90s. > the other is a 1 year old IBM ThinkPad T43 with SoundMax integrated audio. > I have ESD enabled on both systems. I'm finding that when I attempt to play > avi or mp3 files, on the pC with the sound blaster live, everything works > fine; However on the laptop, I consistently lose DECtalk or Festival when > the audio stream is playing. The result is that I can no longer utilize > the screen reader, and lose access altogether unless I'm able to alt-f4 out > of, or otherwise stop the media player. i've had this experience with mp3 > as well as avi files, using both Rhythmbox and Totem Movie player. > > I guess I have several questions: > 1. Aside from playing with ESD, is there anything I can do to resolve the > issue? > 2. Do all Alsa and/or OSS drivers need to meet some sort of minimum spec > before their inclusion into distributions? If this is a situation where the > two drivers aren't created equal, then I wonder if for purposes of > accessibility, a revision of this spec should be discussed? > > Thanks, > > --Al > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace From hansvermeersch at scarlet.be Thu Sep 14 08:20:42 2006 From: hansvermeersch at scarlet.be (Hans Vermeersch) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:20:42 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060914082042.30564.43833.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> crash when restarting gnome ** Attachment added: "crash file" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4260544/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From parente at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 12:03:36 2006 From: parente at gmail.com (Peter Parente) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:03:36 -0400 Subject: problem with movie player and orca Message-ID: <5308fd2c0609140503x7091ec41i326cc86c621e34cd@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I believe Rhythmbox and Totem both use ALSA to talk to the sound hardware on your machine. ALSA has the nice capability of mixing multiple streams of audio across applications. On the other hand, most (if not all) speech synthesizers use the older OSS sound library to talk to your sound card. A conflict occurs when an app using OSS and another using ALSA try to send output to the same device. Typically, one will block indefinitely until the other releases the device. SpeechDispatcher is looking to address this problem by routing output from OSS synthesizers through ALSA when possible. For instance, IBM TTS (ViaVoice) can return the raw speech waveform to an application instead of outputing it directly. An app can do whatever it wants with the waveform (e.g. send it to ALSA). I'm not sure how mature this support is in SpeechDispatcher at present. LSR 0.3.0 has support for routing IBM TTS speech through a free, but closed source third-party mixing library that output using ALSA. Directions on how to configure LSR to use this library will be available when 0.3.0 is released at the end of the month. Pete From admin at brokencrystal.com Thu Sep 14 18:23:28 2006 From: admin at brokencrystal.com (brokencrystal.com) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:23:28 -0000 Subject: [Bug 60444] dist-upgrade caused crash again References: <20060914182328.28823.83909.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060914182328.28823.83909.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: This is the third time. When I do a dist-upgrade, I get this message. Seems to be an ongoing problem. ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- dist-upgrade caused crash again https://launchpad.net/bugs/60444 From s.bienlein at gmx.de Fri Sep 15 08:58:20 2006 From: s.bienlein at gmx.de (Simon Bienlein) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:58:20 +0200 Subject: Edgy Eft installable with Braille display? Message-ID: <003101c6d8a5$182c07a0$c864a8c0@simonlaptop> Hi, Can the version Edgy Eft that is forthcoming in October be installed via BRLTTY? On , Henrik describes the installation with a graphic installer. I am wondering whether there will be an installation based on text with a Braille display as well. This would be highly suggestive especially for the server version and will probably be feasible as IMHO Ubuntu is based on the Debian installer. The actual installation of the Debian installer works really well. At the moment, BRLTTY is not being installed here, which hopefully will be corrected soon. Thanks in advance for your answers. Best Regards, Simon. From ht990332 at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 20:02:57 2006 From: ht990332 at gmail.com (Hussam Al-Tayeb) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:02:57 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060914200257.28823.73671.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> crashes for me too ** Attachment added: "_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4272349/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From henrik at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 15 09:12:53 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:12:53 +0100 Subject: Edgy Eft installable with Braille display? In-Reply-To: <003101c6d8a5$182c07a0$c864a8c0@simonlaptop> References: <003101c6d8a5$182c07a0$c864a8c0@simonlaptop> Message-ID: <450A6E95.5060702@ubuntu.com> Simon Bienlein wrote: > Hi, > > > > Can the version Edgy Eft that is forthcoming in October be installed via > BRLTTY? On , Henrik > describes the installation with a graphic installer. I am wondering > whether there will be an installation based on text with a Braille > display as well. This would be highly suggestive especially for the > server version and will probably be feasible as IMHO Ubuntu is based on > the Debian installer. > > > > The actual installation of the Debian installer works really well. At > the moment, BRLTTY is not being installed here, which hopefully will be > corrected soon. > > Honestly we have not put as much effort into Braille display support for Dapper and Edgy as we perhaps should have. Partly because we've not had good access to braille displays. For Edgy we will focus on the graphical install path with Orca and Ubiquity (the graphical installer) and hope to have some basic braille support via that route. BRLTTY is a bit complicated because some devices need special configuration. I'm already in communication with the BRLTTY maintainer and we will work at making BRLTTY-based installation smooth for Edgy+1. The thing to realise about Edgy now is that we are already past 'Feature Freeze', which means I have to submit a well-founded application to the release managers ever for relatively small changes. So changes to the text-based installer are completely out of the question at this point. It is however a good time to start planning features for Edgy+1 so that we can get some good-quality specs in place for the development summit in November. For one thing we need to think about how to best configure a wide range of braille displays in a Live CD environment. As many as possible should be auto-detected and there should be a reasonably simple way of configuring the rest. Henrik From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Fri Sep 15 09:21:01 2006 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:21:01 +0200 Subject: Edgy Eft installable with Braille display? In-Reply-To: <450A6E95.5060702@ubuntu.com> References: <003101c6d8a5$182c07a0$c864a8c0@simonlaptop> <450A6E95.5060702@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915092101.GD4465@implementation.labri.fr> Hi, Henrik Nilsen Omma, le Fri 15 Sep 2006 10:12:53 +0100, a écrit : > Honestly we have not put as much effort into Braille display support for > Dapper and Edgy as we perhaps should have. Partly because we've not had > good access to braille displays. You don't really need a braille device. You can use minicom via a serial cable, and BRLTTY's "tt" driver. (That's how I debugged debian-installer) Don't hesitate to ask me anything about how I implemented it in debian-installer. Samuel From chris at ascent.plus.com Fri Sep 15 09:38:52 2006 From: chris at ascent.plus.com (Chris Myers) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:38:52 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915093852.28890.56368.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Crashes immediately after login. ** Attachment added: "Crash log file" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4272671/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 15 10:58:54 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:58:54 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915105854.28823.27881.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> The crash logs are useless, if they don't contain backtraces. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lahansen at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 11:19:16 2006 From: lahansen at gmail.com (Lennart Hansen) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:19:16 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915111916.28890.36396.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> What about the valgrind log and the strace i provided earlier? Also we cannot produce a backtrace, cause we can't compile a package with debug information, there is an error in the source deb file. Also send the log of this error. Maybe you can post a deb package with debug information so we can provide you this with backtrace info? -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 15 11:38:13 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:38:13 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915113813.28941.11548.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> During the valgrind and strace sessions it seemed that at-stpi-registryd didn't crash, so it's not really helpful. I doubt that catching a backtrace for the crash with or without debugging symbols makes a difference - up until now nobody was able to catch a backtrace in the wildlife, but sure - I could make debug packages for at-spi, no problem. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 15 16:18:21 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:18:21 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915161821.28762.52132.launchpad@canonical@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Running OOo Calc with AT-SPI regularly causes Calc to crash. Steps to reproduce: * Enable Assistive Technology support in Gnome * Log out and back in * Open OOo Calc with a blank spreadsheet * Create a column with number-value 5-6 items * Use the sum symbol to create a column total * Create another column next to it, also with a total Result: Upon trying to create the second column total, OOo crashes and offers to recover the document. The problem does not occur when running without AT-SPI. This is on the latest Edgy with OOo 2.0.3. ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Needs Info -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From andrew.conkling at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 16:11:45 2006 From: andrew.conkling at gmail.com (Andrew Conkling) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:11:45 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915161145.28941.42173.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> On 9/15/06, Daniel Holbach wrote: > I doubt that catching a backtrace for the crash with or without > debugging symbols makes a difference - up until now nobody was able to > catch a backtrace in the wildlife, but sure - I could make debug > packages for at-spi, no problem. I don't think I need to tell you howe useful this would be in testing this. :P -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From doko at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 15 16:18:21 2006 From: doko at ubuntu.com (Matthias Klose) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:18:21 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Re: Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915161821.28762.3756.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> according to daniel, it's an at-spi issue. reassigning. ** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: openoffice.org => at-spi -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 15 16:38:49 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:38:49 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060915163849.28823.39273.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> The magnificent seb128 followed up on the upstream bug. It all looks like the problem is: at-spi-registryd crashes on logout. This is why nobody of us can get a proper backtrace and why apport complains on a re-login. So I'd rather mark this problem as "very-visible-but-minor". -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Fri Sep 15 16:31:35 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:31:35 -0700 Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertual terminal Message-ID: <450AD567.3010809@sun.com> Hi all, I've recently noticed a rather nasty problem with edgy. I've noticed that if orca is started from a virtual console none of the orca specific keystrokes will work. If I have orca start either on login or from the launch menu everything works fine. I believe this has changed quite recently with a ubuntu update in the last 3 or 4 days. Here are some steps to try if anyone else would like to reproduce this. First log into edgy and switch to a virtual console with for example CTRL+ALT+F1. First export DISPLAY=:0 and then run orca. You should find that no orca keystrokes such as the preferences menu or flat review will work. If you have orca start on log in keys will work as expected. Do any of you on the ubuntu development side of things have any thoughts on this? thanks much Mike From alpuzz at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 20:34:29 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:34:29 -0400 Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertual terminal References: <450AD567.3010809@sun.com> Message-ID: <002a01c6d906$58dbaa60$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi Mike, I can confirm this, --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pedersen" To: "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertual terminal > Hi all, I've recently noticed a rather nasty problem with edgy. I've > noticed that if orca is started from a virtual console none of the orca > specific keystrokes will work. If I have orca start either on login or > from the launch menu everything works fine. I believe this has changed > quite recently with a ubuntu update in the last 3 or 4 days. Here are > some steps to try if anyone else would like to reproduce this. > First log into edgy and switch to a virtual console with for example > CTRL+ALT+F1. First export DISPLAY=:0 and then run orca. You should > find that no orca keystrokes such as the preferences menu or flat review > will work. If you have orca start on log in keys will work as expected. > Do any of you on the ubuntu development side of things have any thoughts > on this? > thanks much > Mike > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From William.Walker at Sun.COM Fri Sep 15 21:08:09 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:08:09 -0400 Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertual terminal In-Reply-To: <002a01c6d906$58dbaa60$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <450AD567.3010809@sun.com> <002a01c6d906$58dbaa60$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <1158354489.15047.61.camel@localhost> I can confirm it, too. It's quite bad, and I have no clue how to track it down. :-( Will On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 16:34 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I can confirm this, > > --Al > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Pedersen" > To: "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM > Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertual > terminal > > > > Hi all, I've recently noticed a rather nasty problem with edgy. I've > > noticed that if orca is started from a virtual console none of the orca > > specific keystrokes will work. If I have orca start either on login or > > from the launch menu everything works fine. I believe this has changed > > quite recently with a ubuntu update in the last 3 or 4 days. Here are > > some steps to try if anyone else would like to reproduce this. > > First log into edgy and switch to a virtual console with for example > > CTRL+ALT+F1. First export DISPLAY=:0 and then run orca. You should > > find that no orca keystrokes such as the preferences menu or flat review > > will work. If you have orca start on log in keys will work as expected. > > Do any of you on the ubuntu development side of things have any thoughts > > on this? > > thanks much > > Mike > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > From alpuzz at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 21:20:29 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:20:29 -0400 Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertualterminal References: <450AD567.3010809@sun.com> <002a01c6d906$58dbaa60$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1158354489.15047.61.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <003701c6d90c$c5490610$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi guys, Over the past hour, another big Ubuntu update was released. I just tested this again after downloading that update, and at least on my system, it appears that the problem has gone away as suddenly as it appeared. Can you guys confirm? --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Al Puzzuoli" Cc: "Mike Pedersen" ; "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertualterminal >I can confirm it, too. It's quite bad, and I have no clue how to track > it down. :-( > > Will > > On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 16:34 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> I can confirm this, >> >> --Al >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Pedersen" >> To: "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM >> Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertual >> terminal >> >> >> > Hi all, I've recently noticed a rather nasty problem with edgy. I've >> > noticed that if orca is started from a virtual console none of the orca >> > specific keystrokes will work. If I have orca start either on login or >> > from the launch menu everything works fine. I believe this has changed >> > quite recently with a ubuntu update in the last 3 or 4 days. Here are >> > some steps to try if anyone else would like to reproduce this. >> > First log into edgy and switch to a virtual console with for example >> > CTRL+ALT+F1. First export DISPLAY=:0 and then run orca. You should >> > find that no orca keystrokes such as the preferences menu or flat >> > review >> > will work. If you have orca start on log in keys will work as >> > expected. >> > Do any of you on the ubuntu development side of things have any >> > thoughts >> > on this? >> > thanks much >> > Mike >> > >> > -- >> > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> >> > From William.Walker at Sun.COM Fri Sep 15 21:53:26 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:53:26 -0400 Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertualterminal In-Reply-To: <003701c6d90c$c5490610$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <450AD567.3010809@sun.com> <002a01c6d906$58dbaa60$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1158354489.15047.61.camel@localhost> <003701c6d90c$c5490610$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <1158357206.20487.0.camel@localhost> It still not working for me. :-( Will On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 17:20 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi guys, > > Over the past hour, another big Ubuntu update was released. I just tested > this again after downloading that update, and at least on my system, it > appears that the problem has gone away as suddenly as it appeared. > > Can you guys confirm? > > --Al > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Walker" > To: "Al Puzzuoli" > Cc: "Mike Pedersen" ; "Ubuntu Accessibility > Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a > vertualterminal > > > >I can confirm it, too. It's quite bad, and I have no clue how to track > > it down. :-( > > > > Will > > > > On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 16:34 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > >> Hi Mike, > >> > >> I can confirm this, > >> > >> --Al > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mike Pedersen" > >> To: "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" > >> > >> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:31 PM > >> Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertual > >> terminal > >> > >> > >> > Hi all, I've recently noticed a rather nasty problem with edgy. I've > >> > noticed that if orca is started from a virtual console none of the orca > >> > specific keystrokes will work. If I have orca start either on login or > >> > from the launch menu everything works fine. I believe this has changed > >> > quite recently with a ubuntu update in the last 3 or 4 days. Here are > >> > some steps to try if anyone else would like to reproduce this. > >> > First log into edgy and switch to a virtual console with for example > >> > CTRL+ALT+F1. First export DISPLAY=:0 and then run orca. You should > >> > find that no orca keystrokes such as the preferences menu or flat > >> > review > >> > will work. If you have orca start on log in keys will work as > >> > expected. > >> > Do any of you on the ubuntu development side of things have any > >> > thoughts > >> > on this? > >> > thanks much > >> > Mike > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > >> > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > >> > >> > > > From Kwatson at smed.yi.org Sat Sep 16 03:03:10 2006 From: Kwatson at smed.yi.org (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:03:10 -0400 Subject: Kernel Question Message-ID: <20060916030310.GA15539@smed.yi.org> Hello List, Just thought I would throw this out there to see if anyone else was experiencing the same thing. I did a dist-upgrade today and it upgraded my kernel from 2.6.17-6-686 to 2.6.17-7-generic. After I rebooted the system just hung. I blew away the splash line in menu.list in order to determine if there was an error, and my wife informed me that it was just sitting there at the booting operating system screen. I installed the 2.6.17-7-386 kernel to see if that would make a difference, but saw the same behavior. My 2.6.17-6-686 kernel works fine. Anyone got a suggestion? Thanks, Keith -- Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant but those with illusions of knowledge. - B. Alan Wallace From themuso at themuso.com Sat Sep 16 03:22:44 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:22:44 +1000 Subject: Kernel Question In-Reply-To: <20060916030310.GA15539@smed.yi.org> References: <20060916030310.GA15539@smed.yi.org> Message-ID: <20060916032244.GB9113@themuso.com> On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 01:03:10PM EST, Keith Watson wrote: > Hello List, > > Just thought I would throw this out there to see if anyone else > was experiencing the same thing. I did a dist-upgrade today and > it upgraded my kernel from 2.6.17-6-686 to 2.6.17-7-generic. > After I rebooted the system just hung. I blew away the splash > line in menu.list in order to determine if there was an error, > and my wife informed me that it was just sitting there at the > booting operating system screen. I installed the 2.6.17-7-386 > kernel to see if that would make a difference, but saw the same > behavior. My 2.6.17-6-686 kernel works fine. Anyone got a > suggestion? Try booting the 2.6.17-7-generic kernel in recovery mode, or remove the quiet argument from the kernel command-line. This will cause the kernel to spit out a lot of messages about what it is doing while booting. That should reveal the problem. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sat Sep 16 07:48:18 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:48:18 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Re: Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060916074818.28762.53780.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Um, I'm not sure if the communication went alright. Without a backtrace or any other sign it's hard to say whose fault it is. -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From researchbase at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 07:56:01 2006 From: researchbase at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:26:01 +0530 Subject: query on accessibility of KDE with orca Message-ID: hi henrik and other brillient people on the list. I want to know what is the current status of KDE accessibility API. I browsed the accessibility page for KDE but could not get any relevant information. I had already posted henric on this issue. this is a bit urgent because I am doing a presentation as I mentioned some time ago, for accessibility on a nation wide base. it will be done on Monday, 18th of september. I want to know if there is accessibility api built in with the KDE desktop. I heard that AT-SPI/ATK is being ported to k desktop. how well can this work? how easy it is currently to build a screen reader for KDE? and how is oarca shaping up in this context? what is the current status on that?? I often read a lot of accessibility talk on the qt web site. I am basically a gnome user so don't quite know the insides of KDE. but I have the impression that KDE is built using qt? is that right? if so then how much accessibility will be available if QT becomes accessible. Please provide me some details as it will help me make visually handicap community understand that there is no fear in using linux and more so ubuntu linux because it is leading as far as desktop convinience and comfort of use is concerned. secondly we are planning to start a screen reader project for kde and will like to merge it with kubuntu. so please provide some details. thanks, Krishnakant. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 16 15:51:27 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:51:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: updates Message-ID: <0J5P00LDR01QF320@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, does the daily live CD contain all updates up to it's day. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-2, 09/15/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 16 15:55:00 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:55:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: updates using orca Message-ID: <0J5P00HWB07OKG20@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, is it possible to get updates using orca. Maybe I am doing something wrong, because pressing enter on update doesn't seem to do anything. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 16 17:09:27 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:09:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: trying to get updates Message-ID: <0J5P009I23NRYK60@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, this time when I ran update it said to use the package manager, because software had to be removed. I tried that but got no speech. Is there a way to use apt-get to get the latest orca. If so how. I tried the following. apt-get install orca. It said reading package then package not found. Mike. From krister at kristersplace.ws Sat Sep 16 18:28:07 2006 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:28:07 +0200 Subject: trying to get updates In-Reply-To: <0J5P009I23NRYK60@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5P009I23NRYK60@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1158431287.25870.7.camel@krister-desktop> If i'm not totally mistaken here, the syntax should be: apt-get install gnome-orca Hope this helps. /Krister On Sat, 2006-09-16 at 12:09 -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, this time when I ran update it said to use the package manager, > because software had to be removed. > I tried that but got no speech. > Is there a way to use apt-get to get the latest orca. > If so how. I tried the following. > apt-get install orca. > It said reading package then package not found. > > Mike. > From kenny at hittsjunk.net Sat Sep 16 18:58:18 2006 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:58:18 -0500 Subject: updates using orca In-Reply-To: <0J5P00HWB07OKG20@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5P00HWB07OKG20@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20060916185818.GA28751@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Hi. I use apt-get in the terminal to update my system since I loose speech when I sudo in a gtk app. Hopefully, the at-spi design decision that tied at-spi to the user will be fixed. For now, try sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Kenny On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 10:55:00AM -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, is it possible to get updates using orca. > Maybe I am doing something wrong, because pressing enter on update doesn't seem to do anything. > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Sat Sep 16 19:09:51 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:09:51 -0700 Subject: trouble with orca keystrokes when orca is run from a vertualterminal In-Reply-To: <003701c6d90c$c5490610$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <450AD567.3010809@sun.com> <002a01c6d906$58dbaa60$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1158354489.15047.61.camel@localhost> <003701c6d90c$c5490610$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <450C4BFF.7060709@sun.com> Hi all, > > Over the past hour, another big Ubuntu update was released. I just > tested this again after downloading that update, and at least on my > system, it appears that the problem has gone away as suddenly as it > appeared. After updating and rebooting I'm still seeing the problem. Mike From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Sep 17 05:52:55 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: problems after update Message-ID: <0J5Q00EWF306KNN0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, does anyone know what the smallest drive is you can use for install. I used a two gb which worked fine. However after getting the large update something like 300 packages, I had the following problem. First I didn't get any low space warning, however after restarting the system things didn't work. I got the log in sound. But when I logged in I got no sound and my daughter said the screen was blank with the mouse pointer in the middle. Also how long should it take to format a 40 gb drive. Thanks Mike. From scottyhudson at tds.net Sat Sep 16 17:07:22 2006 From: scottyhudson at tds.net (Scotty Hudson) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:07:22 -0000 Subject: [Bug 60769] at-spi spy crash dist-upgrade and reboot References: <20060916170722.28823.71574.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060916170722.28823.71574.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: That is about all I know. ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- at-spi spy crash dist-upgrade and reboot https://launchpad.net/bugs/60769 From scottyhudson at tds.net Sat Sep 16 17:09:44 2006 From: scottyhudson at tds.net (Scotty Hudson) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:09:44 -0000 Subject: [Bug 60769] Re: at-spi spy crash dist-upgrade and reboot References: <20060916170722.28823.71574.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060916170944.28762.75388.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "crash file" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4290798/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- at-spi spy crash dist-upgrade and reboot https://launchpad.net/bugs/60769 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sun Sep 17 08:33:07 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:33:07 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59680] Re: not sure References: <20060909180957.12796.47557.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060917083307.28941.33714.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 56452 *** Thanks for the bug report. This particular bug has already been reported into our bug tracking system, but please feel free to report any further bugs which you find. ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Rejected ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 56452 Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently -- not sure https://launchpad.net/bugs/59680 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sun Sep 17 08:34:15 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:34:15 -0000 Subject: [Bug 60444] Re: dist-upgrade caused crash again References: <20060914182328.28823.83909.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060917083415.28890.48864.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 56452 *** Thanks for the bug report. This particular bug has already been reported into our bug tracking system, but please feel free to report any further bugs which you find. ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Medium Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 56452 Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently -- dist-upgrade caused crash again https://launchpad.net/bugs/60444 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sun Sep 17 08:34:57 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:34:57 -0000 Subject: [Bug 60769] Re: at-spi spy crash dist-upgrade and reboot References: <20060916170722.28823.71574.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060917083458.28941.25091.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 56452 *** Thanks for the bug report. This particular bug has already been reported into our bug tracking system, but please feel free to report any further bugs which you find. ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Medium Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 56452 Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently -- at-spi spy crash dist-upgrade and reboot https://launchpad.net/bugs/60769 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sun Sep 17 08:33:23 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:33:23 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060917083323.28823.46662.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Bug 59680 has been marked a duplicate of this bug ** Bug 60444 has been marked a duplicate of this bug ** Bug 60769 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From henrik at ubuntu.com Sun Sep 17 12:52:41 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:52:41 +0100 Subject: away for a week Message-ID: <450D4519.8020901@ubuntu.com> Just a quick note to say that I'll be away all next week, busy moving to Norway ... Hopefully network connection and everything else should be back to normal by next week. I wrote a bit more on my blog: http://blog.omma.net/ Henrik From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Sep 17 19:40:37 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:40:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: trouble installing files Message-ID: <0J5R00MBQ5BOM0G0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, my computer got interupted when installing a package. Now when I run apt-get, it says I have to run dpkg manually. What command do you use with it to get rid of the parshely installed file. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0637-2, 09/15/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From themuso at themuso.com Sun Sep 17 21:47:13 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:47:13 +1000 Subject: trouble installing files In-Reply-To: <0J5R00MBQ5BOM0G0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5R00MBQ5BOM0G0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20060917214712.GA22001@themuso.com> On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:40:37AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, my computer got interupted when installing a package. > Now when I run apt-get, > it says I have to run dpkg manually. > What command do you use with it to get rid of the parshely installed file. > Thanks Mike. Typing 'sudo apt-get -f install' should work. Note don't add the quotes. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know this is cross-posted and apologize if received many times. --- Jeremy wiki.u.c/Ausimage From ezkesa at yahoo.es Mon Sep 18 09:01:53 2006 From: ezkesa at yahoo.es (Sergio Rodriguez Ezquerra) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Trouble enable accessibility in GDM Message-ID: <20060918090153.34172.qmail@web53803.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, When i enable accessibity input in GDM, GDM crashed. In log file of gdm, we can read: X Window System Version 7.1.1 Release Date: 12 May 2006 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.15.7 i686 Current Operating System: Linux edgy 2.6.17-7-generic #2 SMP Wed Sep 6 17:56:40 UTC 2006 i686 Build Date: 07 July 2006 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Sep 18 07:56:50 2006 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (WW) VMWARE(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xf0000000,0x1000000) (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" }; xkb_types { include "complete" }; xkb_compatibility { include "complete" }; xkb_symbols { include "pc(pc105)+es" }; xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc105)" }; The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but has 2 symbols > Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom No such file or directory. Error opening /dev/wacom : Success (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom No such file or directory. Error opening /dev/wacom : Success (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom No such file or directory. Error opening /dev/wacom : Success (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom No such file or directory. Error opening /dev/wacom : Success (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom No such file or directory. Error opening /dev/wacom : Success (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom No such file or directory. Error opening /dev/wacom : Success Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list! Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF, removing from list! Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list! Bye. --------------------------------- LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. 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(VPS 0637-2, 09/15/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Sep 18 13:45:55 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:45:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca always starts. Message-ID: <0J5S00ESSJKI3QG1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, was there a change in knot 3 that causes orca to start all the time. I noticed after installing knot-3 it starts even if it isn't checked. Mike. From researchbase at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 18:25:26 2006 From: researchbase at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:55:26 +0530 Subject: Very important question,still can't get openoffice work with orca Message-ID: hello henrik and other developres of this list. this is probably the 4th time I am pointing this problem about openoffice. I can't get the fonts attribute read out in openoffice word processor and can't know what attributes or alignment I have changed/ set. what is the problem. am I doing some thing wrong? is it a known bug and in the process of being fixt? I also tried burning cd with the cd burning program that starts when I put a blank cd in my rw. but orca did not read it. what could be this problem.I may be stupid since I am asking this. but I did not get response on my previous email about openoffice problems. and yes one problem I pointed out was that after pressing num pad plus for reading a document, the speech breaks at lines rather than centences. again is this a known bug? Krishnakant. From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Mon Sep 18 19:08:52 2006 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:08:52 -0700 Subject: Very important question, still can't get openoffice work with orca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450EEEC4.5010200@sun.com> Hello, > this is probably the 4th time I am pointing this problem about openoffice. > I can't get the fonts attribute read out in openoffice word processor > and can't know what attributes or alignment I have changed/ set. > what is the problem. > am I doing some thing wrong? is it a known bug and in the process of > being fixt? > This issue is currently being worked on by the Openoffice team and is being tracked by the orca team. Mike From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 19 01:55:01 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:55:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: installing different programs. Message-ID: <0J5T00MYOHBPS264@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi after installing programs where do you find them. I installed paint for my daughter, but I don't see it in graphics. Is there another folder the icons are in. Mike From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 19 02:44:38 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:44:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: installing programs Message-ID: <0J5T00MKUJMDZ1P1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I guess add remove doesn't work with orca. When My daughter installed paint it showed up. Are there plans to make orca work with the install and add program. Mike. From i.am.farhan at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 03:19:58 2006 From: i.am.farhan at gmail.com (Farhan) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:19:58 -0500 Subject: A couple of questions. Message-ID: <1413833607.20060918221958@gmail.com> HI all, over the past couple days i've been playing with knot 3 on my laptop, using orca I have a couple of questions. How do I get to the gnome system tray? I can reach the gnome pannels and gnome desktops by hitting control alt tab and control alt right and left arrows respectivly, and when i use gaim it goes away in the system tray, and i can't bring up the main window, is there an orca configured hotkey to access the gnome tray? Everything else i've figured out so far, some of the configuration dialogs are a bit spotty like the update manager and synaptic but i just use the terminal if I want to update any packages. Thanks Farhan This message was typed on Monday, September 18, 2006 at 22:15 CST From drfanatic at web.de Tue Sep 19 13:10:45 2006 From: drfanatic at web.de (DrFaNaTiC) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:10:45 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060919131046.27466.65545.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Same Problem... ** Attachment added: "Logfile" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4311820/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From j-diggs at comcast.net Tue Sep 19 16:49:29 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanmarie Diggs) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:49:29 -0400 Subject: A couple of questions. In-Reply-To: <1413833607.20060918221958@gmail.com> References: <1413833607.20060918221958@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158684569.12479.57.camel@pokey> Hi Farhan. > How do I get to the gnome system tray? I *believe* this is a known issue that is still being worked on as there are indeed some access issues -- one of which being that you seem to drop into a black hole from which there is no escape the minute you head over to the notification area using the standard Gnome commands. Fortunately, you can use Orca to flat review over to it. To do so, use Control Alt Tab to reach the Top Panel. Then use NumPad 4 and NumPad 6 to move left and right. You will almost certainly want to head to the right with NumPad 6. After the menus, you may find various and sundry icons, but eventually you will find some panels and the system clock. Currently not all of the panels are labeled. For the ones that are not, Orca simply announces "panel." As for solving your Gaim problem: You can edit your ~/.gaim/prefs.xml file -- which I'll explain momentarily. In the meantime, since we're already wandering around on Gnome's Top Panel... If Gaim is running, there will be a Gaim icon contained in one of those unlabeled panels. So flat review over to the first item beyond the menus that Orca announces as "panel". At this point, you have two options: 1. You can use NumPad slash to left click on the panel under flat review. If you lucked out and happened to have landed on the Gaim icon, left clicking on it will cause the buddy list to reappear. Problem solved. On the other hand, if you found some other panel, what happens next will depend on what you just clicked on. In an unlabeled panel, your guess is as good as mine. Therefore, a safer approach I think is: 2. Use NumPad asterisk to right click on the panel under flat review. This will cause a context menu to appear. If you lucked out and happened to have landed on the Gaim icon, the first item in the menu should be an option to show the buddy list. If you didn't luck out, no damage done. As an added bonus, in my experience, many of those unlabeled panels don't have an associated context menu so if you right-click with NumPad * and nothing happens, you're safe and can just head to the right to find the next panel. I hope this makes sense. The alternative is to edit your ~/.gaim/prefs.xml file. Locate the line that says: And change the 0 to a 1. For me that line happens to be line 257. Regardless of which approach you take, here is what I have found -- and you may have already figured it out: Whatever you do, do *not* press Alt F4 in Gaim because doing so won't cause Gaim to quit, and it will cause Gaim to vanish. If you want to minimize Gaim, use Alt Space followed by N (or alternatively, Alt F9). If you want to quit Gaim, press Control Q or choose Quit from the Buddy menu. I hope this helps! Take care. Joanie > I can reach the gnome pannels and gnome desktops by hitting control alt tab and control alt right and left arrows respectivly, and when i use gaim it goes away in the system tray, and i can't bring up the main window, is there an orca configured hotkey to access the gnome tray? > Everything else i've figured out so far, some of the configuration dialogs are a bit spotty like the update manager and synaptic but i just use the terminal if I want to update any packages. > Thanks > Farhan > > This message was typed on Monday, September 18, 2006 at 22:15 CST > > From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 19 17:47:30 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:47:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: need help with dpkg Message-ID: <0J5U00ES9PF53OU5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, does anyone know the commands for dpkg. I was installing emac and it got interrupted. Now if I run apt-get, it says dpkg has to be run manually to fix the problem. Thanks for any help Mike. From kenny at hittsjunk.net Tue Sep 19 18:23:13 2006 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:23:13 -0500 Subject: need help with dpkg In-Reply-To: <0J5U00ES9PF53OU5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5U00ES9PF53OU5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20060919182313.GA31239@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Hi. Trsudo apt-get -f install If that doesn't work, maybe dpkg -i package_name You will have to be in the same dir as package_name for that command to find the package. Kenny On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 12:47:30PM -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, does anyone know the commands for dpkg. > I was installing emac and it got interrupted. > Now if I run apt-get, > it says dpkg has to be run manually to fix the problem. > Thanks for any help Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From ktucker at csir.co.za Tue Sep 19 17:25:04 2006 From: ktucker at csir.co.za (Kim Tucker) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:25:04 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060919172504.23036.97454.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Usually shortly after or while logging in from gdm. ** Attachment added: "crash log file" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4315019/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From andrew.conkling at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 20:10:39 2006 From: andrew.conkling at gmail.com (Andrew Conkling) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:10:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060919201040.17606.54190.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Summary changed: - Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently + Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 19 23:21:21 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:21:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: info that may help some of you with install. Message-ID: <0J5V005GK4VKI3W7@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> I give this with no guarantee, but it has worked three times in a row for me. I hope the orca team can get speech for us for these steps, but in the mean time here is what worked for me. First run add remove and pick the programs you want. Orca reads them but you may have to play with the tab to get focus. When you find a file you wantusing down arrow, press enter on it. After picking all the ones you want, apply the changes. It will ask you to review the programs. I could only see the first one, this didn't read a list when using arrow keys. Now apply again and when it asks enter your password. Let orca finish talking or it may hang. Tab to ok and press enter. It takes a little time to set things up, and unfortunately their is no speech after you enter your password and press ok. Just weight two minutes or so to be safe. Now press tab two times, this will take you to the final apply button and press enter. You will know if it worked, because in a short time the hard drive will make noise. There will be no speech, so you will have to weight several minutes to be safe. For one file five should do it. For several I would leave it for a hour or so. Last press enter again. The hard drive will make some noise because it checks the system. In a minute or two press enter again and orca should in a short time speak again. I know this isn't convenient, but at least for now it does work. Most of the apse I got don't work with speech. However I did get a very nice system info utile that work very well with orca and tells you everything. Does anyone know what the other 300 packages are for that show up when running the package manager? My daughter saw one of them was the apple airport card. I would assume these are driver packages. Hope this helps someone Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0638-0, 09/19/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Sep 20 04:38:38 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:38:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: working with apt-get Message-ID: <0J5V00MJAJKDZ345@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I don't know how I did it. But on my computer apt-get got all packages I ask for, for example, apt-get install links. I installed on another drive and now this doesn't work. Is there some setting I changed to make this work. It didn't work at first on the old drive either, but some how it started to work after I installed some software. Has anyone else played with this. Mike. From jos.plompen at planet.nl Wed Sep 20 06:39:50 2006 From: jos.plompen at planet.nl (gosh) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:39:50 -0000 Subject: [Bug 61369] at-spi crashed at gnome login References: <20060920063951.23036.11123.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060920063951.23036.11123.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: After I logged in to gnome I received this crash error ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- at-spi crashed at gnome login https://launchpad.net/bugs/61369 From jos.plompen at planet.nl Wed Sep 20 06:40:32 2006 From: jos.plompen at planet.nl (gosh) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:40:32 -0000 Subject: [Bug 61369] Re: at-spi crashed at gnome login References: <20060920063951.23036.11123.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060920064032.17606.19994.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "problem report crash at-spi" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4320117/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- at-spi crashed at gnome login https://launchpad.net/bugs/61369 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 20 07:43:39 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:43:39 -0000 Subject: [Bug 61369] Re: at-spi crashed at gnome login References: <20060920063951.23036.11123.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060920074339.23036.1045.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 56452 *** Thanks for the bug report. This particular bug has already been reported into our bug tracking system, but please feel free to report any further bugs which you find. ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged => Medium Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 56452 Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) -- at-spi crashed at gnome login https://launchpad.net/bugs/61369 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 20 07:43:52 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:43:52 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060920074352.23036.75409.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Bug 61369 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kenny at hittsjunk.net Wed Sep 20 13:07:42 2006 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:07:42 -0500 Subject: working with apt-get In-Reply-To: <0J5V00MJAJKDZ345@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5V00MJAJKDZ345@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20060920130742.GA12466@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Hi. Did you remember to uncomment the lines for universe in your sources.list? Kenny On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 11:38:38PM -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I don't know how I did it. > But on my computer apt-get got all packages I ask for, > for example, apt-get install links. > I installed on another drive and now this doesn't work. > Is there some setting I changed to make this work. > It didn't work at first on the old drive either, but some how it started to work after I installed some software. > Has anyone else played with this. > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From hoschwald at freakmail.de Wed Sep 20 12:46:25 2006 From: hoschwald at freakmail.de (Henning Oschwald) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:46:25 +0200 Subject: need help with dpkg In-Reply-To: <0J5U00ES9PF53OU5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5U00ES9PF53OU5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20060920124625.GB1470@master.hoschwald.de> Hi, Am Dienstag, 19. September schrieb mike coulombe: > does anyone know the commands for dpkg. > I was installing emac and it got interrupted. > Now if I run apt-get, > it says dpkg has to be run manually to fix the problem. dpkg --configure -a bye Henning From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 20 14:42:51 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:42:51 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060920144252.23036.77079.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> I'm going to upload at-spi (1.7.11-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low . * debian/patches/10-fix-registryd-crash.patch: - apply patch from GNOME bug 353226, hopefully fixes Malone: #56452. in a bit - it'd be nice to get feedback with it once it's in the archive. -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From j-diggs at comcast.net Wed Sep 20 21:02:48 2006 From: j-diggs at comcast.net (Joanie) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:02:48 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060920210249.17606.85497.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> So far so good, Daniel. Thanks!! -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From galileon at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 13:11:17 2006 From: galileon at gmail.com (Galileon Galilei) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:11:17 -0000 Subject: [Bug 61656] gok doesn't work References: <20060921131117.23105.47903.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060921131117.23105.47903.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: i enabled gok in the Menu Layout preferences, and when i try to run it, it crashes. ** Affects: gok (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- gok doesn't work https://launchpad.net/bugs/61656 From galileon at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 13:11:41 2006 From: galileon at gmail.com (Galileon Galilei) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:11:41 -0000 Subject: [Bug 61656] Re: gok doesn't work References: <20060921131117.23105.47903.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060921131142.17562.93612.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> /var/crash/_usr_bin_gok.1000.crash ** Attachment added: "/var/crash/_usr_bin_gok.1000.crash" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4386771/_usr_bin_gok.1000.crash -- gok doesn't work https://launchpad.net/bugs/61656 From researchbase at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 16:07:42 2006 From: researchbase at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:37:42 +0530 Subject: accessibility packages in ubuntu for emacspeak don't work at all! Message-ID: hello, I am trying to install emacs and emacspeak on my ubuntu 6.06 system. I downloaded all the needed packages (or some one kindly list them all for me). but all packages show some time stamp and then gives erros. can any one tell me what is the problem? Krishnakant From pereira.guy at wanadoo.fr Fri Sep 22 09:01:05 2006 From: pereira.guy at wanadoo.fr (gps48) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:01:05 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Sudden crash when starting References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060922090105.17606.49135.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> when starting i don't get speech but the device say me report bug 59120 -- Sudden crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From jsd at clara.co.uk Fri Sep 22 10:40:08 2006 From: jsd at clara.co.uk (Jonathan Duddington) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:40:08 +0100 Subject: Orca and eSpeak Message-ID: <4e6a4f736bjsd@clara.co.uk> I've been asked whether Orca can use the eSpeak software synthesizer. I believe that Gnome Speech can be set up to use Speech Dispatcher, and Speech Dispatcher can use eSpeak. So in theory the answer seems to be "yes". Has anyone done this, and does it work in practice? Does responsiveness suffer as a result of the additional intermediary? Or would it be better to write a Gnome Speech driver for eSpeak? The drivers seem fairly small but I don't understand the environment in which they are written (concepts such as bonobo, oaf, corba etc). But if someone wants to write a driver then I'll be happy to assist. eSpeak is a compact open source software speech synthesizer: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/ Some users on the SpeakUp mailing list say they prefer it over Festival for the purpose of screen reading. It speaks British English and several other languages, although some of these are just initial draft implementations that will need advice and assistance from native speakers to improve. eSpeak version 1.11 is in the Edgy Universe repository. I'm hoping someone will submit the latest version, 1.14, for Edgy if it's not too late. Unfortunately Edgy Knot 3 is unusable on my computer, so I can't try these things myself. I can't get internet access - "network is unavailable" (I use a router gateway on ethernet), and everything is painfully slow (eg. dragging windows or scrolling in gedit). Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 does not have these problems. From themuso at themuso.com Fri Sep 22 10:49:51 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:49:51 +1000 Subject: Orca and eSpeak In-Reply-To: <4e6a4f736bjsd@clara.co.uk> References: <4e6a4f736bjsd@clara.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060922104951.GA13638@hemuso.com> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:40:08PM EST, Jonathan Duddington wrote: > I've been asked whether Orca can use the eSpeak software synthesizer. > > I believe that Gnome Speech can be set up to use Speech Dispatcher, and > Speech Dispatcher can use eSpeak. So in theory the answer seems to be > "yes". Has anyone done this, and does it work in practice? Does > responsiveness suffer as a result of the additional intermediary? I have used orca with speech-dispatcher via gnome-speech, but not with espeak. It is to say the least, very clunky. There is a speech output module under development for orca for interfacing directly with speech-dispatcher, but it is still very much in the early stages. > Or would it be better to write a Gnome Speech driver for eSpeak? The > drivers seem fairly small but I don't understand the environment in > which they are written (concepts such as bonobo, oaf, corba etc). But > if someone wants to write a driver then I'll be happy to assist. What would actually be better, is to have a module written for speech-dispatcher to interface with the espeak shared library, rather than call the command-line utility all the time. Personally, I feel gnome-speech needs to be removed, and speech-dispatcher should be the speech back-end of choice. Espeak will very likely e a synthesizer that will be used for various tasks in the next relesae of Ubuntu, such as spoken boot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpokenBoot. I intend to get the newest version fo espeak packaged in the next few days. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am convinced this is no doubt an important "edgy-beta" issue to fix. -- Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits https://launchpad.net/bugs/37603 From seb128 at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 22 22:16:17 2006 From: seb128 at ubuntu.com (Sebastien Bacher) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:16:17 -0000 Subject: [Bug 37603] Re: Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits References: <20060401160516.5415.73320.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060922221617.23105.64509.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> the bars should be orange, do you have a screenshot showing your issue? -- Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits https://launchpad.net/bugs/37603 From alpuzz at gmail.com Sat Sep 23 01:59:20 2006 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:59:20 -0400 Subject: No backspace beeps on PowerPC? Message-ID: <000a01c6deb3$e3306630$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Hi, I'm noticing that on the latest edgy PowerPC live CD, there are no backspace beeps in virtual consoles or gnome-terminal. backspace beeps are actually a very useful accessibility queue. Is there a relatively easy way to re-enable them, and is there any chance that they could be enabled by default out of the box as they are under the I386 architecture? Thanks, --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From themuso at themuso.com Sat Sep 23 02:16:45 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:16:45 +1000 Subject: No backspace beeps on PowerPC? In-Reply-To: <000a01c6deb3$e3306630$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <000a01c6deb3$e3306630$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Message-ID: <20060923021644.GA2744@hemuso.com> On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 11:59:20AM EST, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi, > > I'm noticing that on the latest edgy PowerPC live CD, there are no backspace beeps in virtual consoles or gnome-terminal. To get them back, just load the pcspkr kernel module. To ensure you ave the module loaded on reboot, add pcspkr to /etc/modules. Hope this helps. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sat Sep 23 06:17:19 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 06:17:19 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060923061719.23036.33821.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Can I take the silence as "Bug is Fixed"? -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From bensalah.maher at gmail.com Sat Sep 23 08:34:52 2006 From: bensalah.maher at gmail.com (Maher) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:34:52 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060923061719.23036.33821.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <51dda29e0609230134q18b748adje06e14fd317f6af1@mail.gmail.com> it seems this bug is fixed, thanks 2006/9/23, Daniel Holbach : > > Can I take the silence as "Bug is Fixed"? > > -- > Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) > https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 > -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sat Sep 23 15:13:31 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:13:31 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060923151331.17562.89179.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Finally closing bug. YAY ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Fix Released -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 23 15:47:47 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:47:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: help with package manager Message-ID: <0J61005KUYJMA762@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, first I am very pleased with the progress ubuntu has made in making their operating system accessible. I was wondering if in the future the package manager will be able to be used with orca, and if the software update will also be able to be used. I can read everything in software update until I get to the point of checking for updates. At that time orca no longer speaks. One other thing, is there a way to install the operating system with out sight. Thanks Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 23 18:01:06 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:01:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Trying to download dvd Message-ID: <0J6200LJ94PTIQ03@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried to download a final release dvd. I get a iso file that only takes a few seconds to download. Is there another place to download the dvd like the live CD. or is this iso file used with another program to download the dvd. Mike From researchbase at gmail.com Sat Sep 23 19:24:46 2006 From: researchbase at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:54:46 +0530 Subject: very urgent! need a rite up on ubuntu's accessibility status for a conference. Message-ID: hello all accessibility gurus on the list. after using ubuntu, it is for the first time that I felt like promoting gnu/linux amongst the blind community. gentelmen, you are doing a great job and I think by the end of this year november, ubuntu should be pritty accessible. I am going to speak at a national conference on software interfacing for daily computing. accessibility is a major focus of that conference and I have been invited to speak on this issue and my lecture has been put as a highlite of the conference, because I am talking on accessibility freedom of blind. as I may have mentioned we have already scheduled a nation wide campaign for promotion of ubuntu linux amongst the blind computer users. I am speaking in the conference in 3 days from now. I need some detailed information on the following points. 1. what is the current state of general accessibility of gnome desktop with orca on ubuntu? 2. will gnopernicus development absolutely stop in favour of orca? 3. how accessible will be openoffice when ubuntu 6.10 is released? 4. at the release of ubuntu 6.10, what will be the level of accessibility of firefox or any other web browser like mozila? 5. how soon will be the tutorial for orca finalised? currently there are no keyboard commands given for web surffing or for reading open office spreadsheets or word processor documents. 6. what can organisations do to become a part of orca development and feature enhancement with respect to gnome accessibility? 7. what knowledge is expected to work on gnome accessibility and the orca source code? Please give me some very detailed information on these issues it is very urgent! I hope henrik as usual will be up with good info so will be mike and the rest. thanks in advance. Krishnakant. From sutton.scottainslie at googlemail.com Sat Sep 23 21:22:04 2006 From: sutton.scottainslie at googlemail.com (Scott Ainslie Sutton) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:22:04 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Greetings, I'd like to introduce myself to the Ubuntu Accessibility Team. My name is Scott and I've recently become a Member of The Ubuntu Forums. I've been using the Linux Operating System for 5 months and I hope, as someone with a disability, that I can aid the development and improvement of accessibility and functionality of the Ubuntu Linux distribution for those with difficulties and both myself and my partner are disabled and can offer insights into where we feel aid is best needed and exactly how features can be improved. I look forward to aiding the development of Ubuntu Linux and hope to be able to contribute to the project in a meaningful way. Regards, Scott Ainslie Sutton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Sun Sep 24 08:02:38 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:02:38 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060924080336.19114.95702.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: at-spi (upstream) Status: Needs Info => Unconfirmed -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Sep 24 17:04:14 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:04:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: services are not spoken. Message-ID: <0J63001A0WR1QVI4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I noticed when looking at the services that you can pick from. Orca says checked or unchecked but there is no name or description of the service. Is this something that will be fixed in the future. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0638-1, 09/22/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com Sun Sep 24 19:03:12 2006 From: michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com (MICHAEL WEAVER) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:03:12 +0100 Subject: braille displays/notetakers and ubuntu Message-ID: <4516D670.6040508@btinternet.com> I am possibly thinking of buying a Braille display or notetaker for using with Linux. Two I am considering are the Braillenote which is one I have seen most or the Elba. The Braillenote has the advantage of supporting GPS and the Elba runs the Linux operating system. When I was at an exhibition in Huddersfield I wasn't really able to ask Tony Gill the Huddersfield rep for Humanware if the Braillenote would work as a Braille display under Linux. Could anyone give me any suggestions as to displays/notetakers that will work with Ubuntu? From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Sun Sep 24 19:14:12 2006 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:14:12 +0200 Subject: braille displays/notetakers and ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4516D670.6040508@btinternet.com> References: <4516D670.6040508@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <20060924191412.GH5351@bouh.residence.ens-lyon.fr> Hi, MICHAEL WEAVER, le Sun 24 Sep 2006 20:03:12 +0100, a écrit : > Could anyone give me any suggestions as to displays/notetakers that will > work with Ubuntu? See http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/ (when it is available again) for a list of supported hardware. Samuel From jos.plompen at planet.nl Sun Sep 24 19:05:50 2006 From: jos.plompen at planet.nl (gosh) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:05:50 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060923061719.23036.33821.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <4516D70E.8000308@planet.nl> Yes, Sorry for replying late. many thnx Jos Daniel Holbach wrote: > Can I take the silence as "Bug is Fixed"? > > -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Sep 25 03:36:47 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:36:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: why so many kernels. Message-ID: <0J6400AH2Q16ZVH0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, installing windows on fat 32 and using the free space for ubuntu worked. It comes up with a boot manager, but my question is why is there more than one kernel to choose from. I think my daughter said there were 4 to pick from. Can someone explain if each is different. Thanks Mike. From rfennimore at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 00:38:59 2006 From: rfennimore at gmail.com (RFennimore) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:38:59 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62231] Problem report on login References: <20060925003859.17562.14701.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925003859.17562.14701.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: ProblemType: Crash CrashCounter: 1 Date: Mon Sep 18 00:12:03 2006 Dependencies: lsb-base 3.1-10ubuntu2 libslang2 2.0.6-2 ttf-dejavu 2.7-2 whiptail 0.52.2-5.1ubuntu1 libtext-charwidth-perl 0.04-4 libxrender1 1:0.9.1-0ubuntu1 libbonobo2-0 2.16.0-0ubuntu1 fontconfig 2.3.2-7ubuntu2 liblocale-gettext-perl 1.05-1 libxau6 1:1.0.1-1 libxfixes3 1:4.0.1-0ubuntu1 libjpeg62 6b-13 libgail-common 1.9.2-0ubuntu1 libacl1 2.2.39-1ubuntu2 liblzo1 1.08-3 libncurses5 5.5-2ubuntu1 libgtk2.0-0 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 libgpg-error0 1.2-1 libidl0 0.8.6-1ubuntu1 libpopt0 1.10-2 libxcursor1 1.1.7-0ubuntu1 libatspi1.0-0 1.7.11-0ubuntu1 libfontconfig1 2.3.2-7ubuntu2 libglib2.0-0 2.12.3-1ubuntu1 libpng12-0 1.2.8rel-5.1 defoma 0.11.10 libbonobo2-common 2.16.0-0ubuntu1 libtext-wrapi18n-perl 0.06-5 libtiff4 3.8.2-6 sed 4.1.5-1 libcupsys2 1.2.3-1ubuntu1 mktemp 1.5-2 libxrandr2 2:1.1.1-0ubuntu1 libselinux1 1.30-1 libmagic1 4.17-2ubuntu1 libattr1 2.4.32-1ubuntu1 libgail18 1.9.2-0ubuntu1 liborbit2 1:2.14.3-0ubuntu1 libgnomecanvas2-0 2.14.0-3ubuntu1 fontconfig-config 2.3.2-7ubuntu2 libgnutls13 1.4.0-3 debconf 1.5.2ubuntu2 libxtst6 2:1.0.1-3build1 libxinerama1 2:1.0.1-4build1 libxext6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 ucf 2.0012 libpango1.0-common 1.14.3-0ubuntu2 libgtk2.0-bin 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 libnewt0.52 0.52.2-5.1ubuntu1 libgcrypt11 1.2.2-2 libgnomecanvas2-common 2.14.0-3ubuntu1 debconf-i18n 1.5.2ubuntu2 perl 5.8.8-6 tzdata 2006g-2ubuntu1 libxi6 2:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 libcairo2 1.2.4-1ubuntu1 x11-common 1:7.0.22ubuntu9 libsepol1 1.12-1 libart-2.0-2 2.3.17-1 debianutils 2.16.2 locales 2.3.20 mcpp 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 libglade2-0 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu1 belocs-locales-bin 2.4-1ubuntu3 libtasn1-3 0.3.5-1 libxdmcp6 1:1.0.1-1 libx11-data 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu3 libatk1.0-0 1.12.1-0ubuntu1 file 4.17-2ubuntu1 libxml2 2.6.26.dfsg-2ubuntu3 libfreetype6 2.2.1-2ubuntu1 libtext-iconv-perl 1.4-3 libice6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 libopencdk8 0.5.8-1 libsm6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 perl-modules 5.8.8-6 coreutils 5.96-5ubuntu3 libgdbm3 1.8.3-3 libgtk2.0-common 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 libx11-6 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu3 ncurses-bin 5.5-2ubuntu1 zlib1g 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu1 libc6 2.4-1ubuntu10 libxevie1 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 libxft2 2.1.10-1ubuntu1 perl-base 5.8.8-6 libdb4.4 4.4.20-6 libpango1.0-0 1.14.3-0ubuntu2 libexpat1 1.95.8-3.2 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 6.10 ExecutablePath: /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd Package: at-spi 1.7.11-0ubuntu1 ProcCmdline: /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:Accessibility_Registry:1.0 --oaf-ior-fd=17 ProcEnviron: LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games SHELL=/bin/bash ProcMaps: 08048000-08053000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 503883 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd 08053000-08055000 rw-p 0000a000 08:01 503883 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd 08055000-081b5000 rw-p 08055000 00:00 0 [heap] b7489000-b748a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 429846 /usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so b748a000-b748c000 rw-p 00001000 08:01 429846 /usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so b748c000-b7493000 r--s 00000000 08:01 421077 /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache b7493000-b749c000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969633 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_files-2.4.so b749c000-b749e000 rw-p 00008000 08:01 969633 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_files-2.4.so b749e000-b74a6000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969635 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_nis-2.4.so b74a6000-b74a8000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 969635 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_nis-2.4.so b74a8000-b74ba000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969630 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.4.so b74ba000-b74bc000 rw-p 00011000 08:01 969630 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.4.so b74bc000-b74be000 rw-p b74bc000 00:00 0 b74be000-b74c5000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969631 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_compat-2.4.so b74c5000-b74c7000 rw-p 00006000 08:01 969631 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_compat-2.4.so b74c7000-b74c9000 rw-p b74c7000 00:00 0 b74c9000-b74cd000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425772 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b74cd000-b74ce000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 425772 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b74ce000-b74ea000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425782 /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1.0.0 b74ea000-b74ec000 rw-p 0001c000 08:01 425782 /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1.0.0 b74ec000-b74ed000 rw-p b74ec000 00:00 0 b74ed000-b74ef000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425770 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b74ef000-b74f0000 rw-p 00001000 08:01 425770 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b74f0000-b74f7000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969640 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/librt-2.4.so b74f7000-b74f9000 rw-p 00006000 08:01 969640 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/librt-2.4.so b74f9000-b7627000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969624 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so b7627000-b7629000 r--p 0012d000 08:01 969624 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so b7629000-b762b000 rw-p 0012f000 08:01 969624 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so b762b000-b762f000 rw-p b762b000 00:00 0 b762f000-b76f5000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 422199 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 b76f5000-b76f8000 rw-p 000c5000 08:01 422199 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 b76f8000-b770d000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425825 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 b770d000-b770e000 rw-p 00014000 08:01 425825 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 b770e000-b7710000 rw-p b770e000 00:00 0 b7710000-b7718000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425827 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b7718000-b7719000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 425827 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b7719000-b77aa000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 423457 /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b77aa000-b77ab000 rw-p 00091000 08:01 423457 /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b77ab000-b77ad000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969627 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.4.so b77ad000-b77af000 rw-p 00001000 08:01 969627 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.4.so b77af000-b77b2000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 423459 /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b77b2000-b77b3000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 423459 /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b77b3000-b77b4000 rw-p b77b3000 00:00 0 b77b4000-b77ed000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 423458 /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b77ed000-b77ee000 rw-p 00038000 08:01 423458 /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b77ee000-b7812000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969628 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm-2.4.so b7812000-b7814000 rw-p 00023000 08:01 969628 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm-2.4.so b7814000-b781b000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425821 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b781b000-b781c000 rw-p 00006000 08:01 425821 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b781c000-b783e000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426026 /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 b783e000-b783f000 rw-p 00021000 08:01 426026 /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 b783f000-b7868000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 424048 /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1.0.4 b7868000-b786d000 rw-p 00028000 08:01 424048 /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1.0.4 b786d000-b786e000 rw-p b786d000 00:00 0 b786e000-b7881000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 422963 /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 b7881000-b7882000 rw-p 00012000 08:01 422963 /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 b7882000-b7883000 rw-p b7882000 00:00 0 b7883000-b78e7000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425785 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.10 b78e7000-b78ea000 rw-p 00064000 08:01 425785 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.10 b78ea000-b794a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426708 /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.9.2 b794a000-b794c000 rw-p 0005f000 08:01 426708 /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.9.2 b794c000-b7984000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 424370 /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b7984000-b7986000 rw-p 00037000 08:01 424370 /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b7986000-b798a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425780 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 b798a000-b798b000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 425780 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 b798b000-b7993000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426028 /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 b7993000-b7994000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 426028 /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 b7994000-b7996000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425951 /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2.0.0 b7996000-b7997000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 425951 /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2.0.0 b7997000-b7998000 rw-p b7997000 00:00 0 b7998000-b799f000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425878 /usr/lib/libXi.so.6.0.0 b799f000-b79a0000 rw-p 00006000 08:01 425878 /usr/lib/libXi.so.6.0.0 b79a0000-b79a2000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425900 /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1.0.0 b79a2000-b79a3000 rw-p 00001000 08:01 425900 /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1.0.0 b79a3000-b79af000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425776 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b79af000-b79b0000 rw-p 0000c000 08:01 425776 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b79b0000-b79da000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 424372 /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b79da000-b79db000 rw-p 00029000 08:01 424372 /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b79db000-b79e2000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 424374 /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b79e2000-b79e3000 rw-p 00006000 08:01 424374 /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.3 b79e3000-b79f8000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426737 /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b79f8000-b79f9000 rw-p 00015000 08:01 426737 /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b79f9000-b79fa000 rw-p b79f9000 00:00 0 b79fa000-b7a11000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426706 /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0.1211.0 b7a11000-b7a13000 rw-p 00017000 08:01 426706 /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0.1211.0 b7a13000-b7a94000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426738 /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b7a94000-b7a97000 rw-p 00081000 08:01 426738 /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b7a97000-b7de0000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426739 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b7de0000-b7de7000 rw-p 00348000 08:01 426739 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.3 b7de7000-b7de8000 rw-p b7de7000 00:00 0 b7de8000-b7df7000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969638 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread-2.4.so b7df7000-b7df9000 rw-p 0000f000 08:01 969638 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread-2.4.so b7df9000-b7dfb000 rw-p b7df9000 00:00 0 b7dfb000-b7dff000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 423460 /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b7dff000-b7e00000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 423460 /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0.1200.3 b7e00000-b7e47000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426723 /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0.1.0 b7e47000-b7e51000 rw-p 00046000 08:01 426723 /usr/lib/libORBit-2.so.0.1.0 b7e51000-b7e52000 rw-p b7e51000 00:00 0 b7e52000-b7e55000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426733 /usr/lib/libORBitCosNaming-2.so.0.1.0 b7e55000-b7e56000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 426733 /usr/lib/libORBitCosNaming-2.so.0.1.0 b7e56000-b7e68000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426782 /usr/lib/libbonobo-activation.so.4.0.0 b7e68000-b7e6a000 rw-p 00012000 08:01 426782 /usr/lib/libbonobo-activation.so.4.0.0 b7e6a000-b7eba000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426778 /usr/lib/libbonobo-2.so.0.0.0 b7eba000-b7ec4000 rw-p 0004f000 08:01 426778 /usr/lib/libbonobo-2.so.0.0.0 b7ec4000-b7ec5000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426927 /usr/lib/libXevie.so.1.0.0 b7ec5000-b7ec6000 rw-p 00000000 08:01 426927 /usr/lib/libXevie.so.1.0.0 b7ec6000-b7eca000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 425902 /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6.1.0 b7eca000-b7ecb000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 425902 /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6.1.0 b7ecb000-b7edf000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426773 /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2.3.17 b7edf000-b7ee0000 rw-p 00013000 08:01 426773 /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2.3.17 b7ee0000-b7ee1000 rw-p b7ee0000 00:00 0 b7ee1000-b7f09000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426840 /usr/lib/libgnomecanvas-2.so.0.1400.0 b7f09000-b7f0a000 rw-p 00027000 08:01 426840 /usr/lib/libgnomecanvas-2.so.0.1400.0 b7f0a000-b7f10000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426919 /usr/lib/libgailutil.so.18.0.1 b7f10000-b7f11000 rw-p 00006000 08:01 426919 /usr/lib/libgailutil.so.18.0.1 b7f11000-b7f56000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 426923 /usr/lib/libspi.so.0.10.11 b7f56000-b7f60000 rw-p 00045000 08:01 426923 /usr/lib/libspi.so.0.10.11 b7f64000-b7f69000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 468738 /usr/lib/X11/locale/common/xlibi18n.so.2.0.0 b7f69000-b7f6a000 rw-p 00004000 08:01 468738 /usr/lib/X11/locale/common/xlibi18n.so.2.0.0 b7f6a000-b7f6c000 rw-p b7f6a000 00:00 0 b7f6c000-b7f85000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 969616 /lib/ld-2.4.so b7f85000-b7f87000 rw-p 00018000 08:01 969616 /lib/ld-2.4.so bf971000-bf987000 rw-p bf971000 00:00 0 [stack] ffffe000-fffff000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] ProcStatus: Name: at-spi-registry State: D (disk sleep) SleepAVG: 98% Tgid: 4135 Pid: 4135 PPid: 1 TracerPid: 0 Uid: 1003 1003 1003 1003 Gid: 1002 1002 1002 1002 FDSize: 256 Groups: 4 20 21 24 25 26 29 30 46 110 113 1002 VmPeak: 12792 kB VmSize: 12788 kB VmLck: 0 kB VmHWM: 5460 kB VmRSS: 5460 kB VmData: 1500 kB VmStk: 88 kB VmExe: 44 kB VmLib: 10672 kB VmPTE: 20 kB Threads: 1 SigQ: 0/4294967295 SigPnd: 0000000000000000 ShdPnd: 0000000000000000 SigBlk: 0000000000000000 SigIgn: 0000000020001000 SigCgt: 0000000180000000 CapInh: 0000000000000000 CapPrm: 0000000000000000 CapEff: 0000000000000000 Signal: 11 SourcePackage: at-spi Uname: Linux ubuntu610 2.6.17-7-386 #2 Wed Sep 6 17:53:03 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Problem report on login https://launchpad.net/bugs/62231 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 25 05:17:42 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 05:17:42 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62231] Re: Problem report on login References: <20060925003859.17562.14701.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925051742.17562.85097.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Thanks for your bug report. This is fixed in 1.7.11-0ubuntu2. Duplicate of bug 56452. ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected -- Problem report on login https://launchpad.net/bugs/62231 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 25 06:09:30 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:09:30 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62231] Re: Problem report on login References: <20060925003859.17562.14701.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925060930.17606.76620.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 56452 *** ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 56452 Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) -- Problem report on login https://launchpad.net/bugs/62231 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 25 06:09:30 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:09:30 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925060930.17606.4183.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Bug 62231 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From clubinformatique.limoges at avh.asso.fr Mon Sep 25 07:43:20 2006 From: clubinformatique.limoges at avh.asso.fr (clubinformatique.limoges) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:43:20 +0200 Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?fran=E7ais_for_orca?= Message-ID: <000601c6e076$4656e360$0c01a8c0@clubinfomicroA> how to make orca speeching french ? my aim is to have an ubuntu with frenc implementation screen-reader ! Can you make for this an e-mail or by the forum a bill. thanks GPS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.bienlein at gmx.de Mon Sep 25 08:22:08 2006 From: s.bienlein at gmx.de (Simon Bienlein) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:22:08 +0200 Subject: Trying to download dvd References: <0J6200LJ94PTIQ03@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <002e01c6e07b$b20f8a80$c864a8c0@simonlaptop> Hi Mike, > Hi, I tried to download a final release dvd. > I get a iso file that only takes a few seconds to download. > Is there another place to download the dvd like the live CD. > or is this iso file used with another program to download the dvd. With which program did you try it? Wget cannot handle such great files in the 1.9.x version. Thus, e.g. the program curl is recommended. The call could look like this: curl -C - -O http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release.1/ubuntu-6.06.1-dvd-i386.iso Best Regards, Simon From pereira.guy at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 25 08:56:11 2006 From: pereira.guy at wanadoo.fr (gps48) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:56:11 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Re: Sudden crash References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925085612.17562.78913.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> another bug 5920 on reading pozilla firefox beta 2 when going to a page or accessibility forum for information. My computer is an AMD 64 and i browse with french language. Thanks -- Sudden crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 25 10:14:28 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:14:28 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55566] Re: The geeter application appears to be crashing References: <20060808025135.9092.32799.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925101428.17562.80354.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Which version of Ubuntu do you use? With edgy apport might have caught a backtrace. -- The geeter application appears to be crashing https://launchpad.net/bugs/55566 From rfennimore at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 10:48:41 2006 From: rfennimore at gmail.com (RFennimore) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:48:41 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62231] Re: [Bug 62231] Re: Problem report on login References: <20060925003859.17562.14701.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> <20060925051742.17562.85097.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <90f7715e0609250348s7abe96e9r14f9fb65f69aff4@mail.gmail.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 56452 *** I guess I will have to learn to use the Launchpad Bug Tracker better. It's not very intuative though. When the crash occurred, the automatic bug reporting tool popped up and suggested a check for duplicate bugs. When I clicked on it, it took me to 58701 'Calc - AT-SPI causes crash'. So I clicked on 'at-spi' on the left, and then 'Bugs' below. Still, it only shows 'Calc - AT-SPI causes crash'. Sorry. On 25/09/06, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > Thanks for your bug report. This is fixed in 1.7.11-0ubuntu2. Duplicate > of bug 56452. > > ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) > Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected > > -- > Problem report on login > https://launchpad.net/bugs/62231 > -- Problem report on login https://launchpad.net/bugs/62231 From William.Walker at Sun.COM Mon Sep 25 12:57:21 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:57:21 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?fran=E7ais?= for orca In-Reply-To: <000601c6e076$4656e360$0c01a8c0@clubinfomicroA> References: <000601c6e076$4656e360$0c01a8c0@clubinfomicroA> Message-ID: <1159189041.26164.23.camel@localhost> If you've set your login session to use the French locale, Orca should automatically pick up the French translations. The missing component may be that you need a speech synthesis engine that supports French. Will On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 09:43 +0200, clubinformatique.limoges wrote: > how to make orca speeching french ? > my aim is to have an ubuntu with frenc implementation screen-reader ! > Can you make for this an e-mail or by the forum a bill. > thanks > GPS From William.Walker at Sun.COM Mon Sep 25 13:23:43 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:23:43 -0400 Subject: services are not spoken. In-Reply-To: <0J63001A0WR1QVI4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J63001A0WR1QVI4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1159190624.26164.40.camel@localhost> Hi Mike: I definitely appreciate you testing out Orca and bringing potential problems to our awareness. Without people doing this, problems would probably go unnoticed for too long. I'm not sure, however, what you mean by "the services you can pick from." Can you please provide more detail? If it is the "System->Administration->Services" application (also available as "services-admin" from the command line), the problem may be that the app presents things as a table. The first column is just checkboxes and the second column is the thing being enabled/disabled. You can navigate the information using the arrow keys, where the right arrow will take you to the description and the left arrow will take you to the checkbox to enable/disable the service. In addition, pressing Insert+F11 in Orca should hopefully toggle the ability of Orca to read the entire row automatically so you don't have to arrow around. Hope this helps, Will PS - If you haven't joined the Orca user's mailing list, it would be great if you could. That's where we intend Orca-specific discussion to happen: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list On Sun, 2006-09-24 at 12:04 -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I noticed when looking at the services that you can pick from. > Orca says checked or unchecked but there is no name or description of the service. > Is this something that will be fixed in the future. > Thanks Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0638-1, 09/22/2006), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > From William.Walker at Sun.COM Mon Sep 25 13:32:52 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:32:52 -0400 Subject: help with package manager In-Reply-To: <0J61005KUYJMA762@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J61005KUYJMA762@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1159191173.26164.47.camel@localhost> Hi Mike: Currently, in order to use the synaptic package manager and the update manager, one needs to login as root and run Orca from there. There's an outstanding bug on this that we hope to see get resolved for GNOME 2.17. The bug we've put in Orca to track this (the work is being done elsewhere) is: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347124 More information on logging in as root on Ubuntu can be found on the Orca WIKI: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuDapperDrake As work progresses on the bug being tracked by the above, we may also be able to provide a better script for synaptic and the update manager in Orca. Hope this helps, Will On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 10:47 -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, first I am very pleased with the progress ubuntu has made > in making their operating system accessible. > I was wondering if in the future the package manager will be able to be used with orca, > and if the software update will also be able to be used. > I can read everything in software update until I get to the point of checking for updates. > At that time orca no longer speaks. > One other thing, is there a way to install the operating system with out sight. > Thanks Mike. > From seb128 at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 25 13:27:58 2006 From: seb128 at ubuntu.com (Sebastien Bacher) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:27:58 -0000 Subject: [Bug 27042] Re: Font changes do not get reverted References: <20060113145236.21012.7375.launchpad@macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com> Message-ID: <20060925132759.23105.85192.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> The upstream bug as been marked as WONTFIX, rejecting the distribution task. Feel free to argue upstream if you disagree ** Changed in: control-center (Ubuntu) Importance: Medium => Low Assignee: Sebastien Bacher => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected -- Font changes do not get reverted https://launchpad.net/bugs/27042 From dragffy at yandex.ru Mon Sep 25 13:46:11 2006 From: dragffy at yandex.ru (Sniffass) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:46:11 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55566] Re: The geeter application appears to be crashing References: <20060808025135.9092.32799.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925134611.17606.53134.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> As quoted from the orininal decription: "All of these are Dapper ubuntu variations. The bug is present on installs made with both the 6.06 alternate and live cds, and is also apparent in the newer 6.06.1 point releases." -- The geeter application appears to be crashing https://launchpad.net/bugs/55566 From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Sep 25 15:07:06 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: loosing speech in terminal Message-ID: <0J6500L3KLZPNHP6@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, at times after leaving and going back to terminal I get no speech. Orca will say return but that is all. It this a bug. Mike. From William.Walker at Sun.COM Mon Sep 25 15:28:59 2006 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 11:28:59 -0400 Subject: Orca and eSpeak In-Reply-To: <20060922104951.GA13638@hemuso.com> References: <4e6a4f736bjsd@clara.co.uk> <20060922104951.GA13638@hemuso.com> Message-ID: <1159198140.26164.141.camel@localhost> Hi Luke: > What would actually be better, is to have a module written for > speech-dispatcher to interface with the espeak shared library, rather > than call the command-line utility all the time. Personally, I feel > gnome-speech needs to be removed, and speech-dispatcher should be the > speech back-end of choice. Will people from Ubuntu be at the GNOME Boston Summit? I've put some time at the end of the Accessibility day to discuss this: http://live.gnome.org/Boston2006/AccessibilitySummit For replacing gnome-speech with speech-dispatcher, I really need to hear your thoughts on why this is necessary. My main concern is to make sure that this doesn't just end up swapping one set of problems for another and that the switch really solves the problems we want solved. Thanks! Will From sfllaw at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 25 18:44:34 2006 From: sfllaw at ubuntu.com (Simon Law) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:44:34 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62327] Re: Enabling accessible login causes error References: <20060925173913.17606.71031.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925184434.17562.5447.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 55566 *** ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 55566 The geeter application appears to be crashing -- Enabling accessible login causes error https://launchpad.net/bugs/62327 From sfllaw at ubuntu.com Mon Sep 25 18:45:14 2006 From: sfllaw at ubuntu.com (Simon Law) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:45:14 -0000 Subject: [Bug 55566] Re: The geeter application appears to be crashing References: <20060808025135.9092.32799.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060925184514.23105.4412.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Bug 62327 reports that this occurs in Edgy as well. ** Bug 62327 has been marked a duplicate of this bug ** Summary changed: - The geeter application appears to be crashing + The greeter application appears to be crashing with "Enable accessible login" -- The greeter application appears to be crashing with "Enable accessible login" https://launchpad.net/bugs/55566 From aridamoulakis at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 20:56:29 2006 From: aridamoulakis at gmail.com (ari) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:56:29 +0200 Subject: OT: list for blind students Message-ID: <000d01c6e0e5$15fa5de0$0600000a@a> Hello, I know this is quite off-topic, but since there are many users of linux in developing countries, and some might be students on this list, I'm posting this message, and I am also hoping that you guys will forward it to people who may find it useful. I, together with the support of some of my fellow students here in South Africa, have started a group called the blind students solidarity movement. Students from all over the world can join, but our focus is on those students who are studying in the developing world. It is basically a networking group, where students can pass on help to one another in how to study subjects when certain equipment is not available. We also will discuss topics like what universities in the developing world are doing to accommodate persons who are blind or partially sighted. We discuss university life, adapting and getting used to the university environment, the use of adaptive technology as related to studying in the developing world, etc. To join, if you have a yahoo account, you cmay join from the group's home page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindstudents or, if you don't have a yahoo account, or prefer to use email, send an email to blindstudents-subscribe at yahoogroups.com Thanks Ari Team: uninspiring batting. Cricket has never been so much fun! www.battrick.org Team: uninspiring batting. Cricket has never been so much fun! www.battrick.org Team: uninspiring batting. Cricket has never been so much fun! www.battrick.org From themuso at themuso.com Tue Sep 26 09:27:15 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:27:15 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62416] espeak: Request review/upload of new package. References: <20060926092715.10355.89409.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060926092715.10355.89409.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Please review/upload this new upstream release of this package. Thanks. ** Affects: espeak (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: Unconfirmed -- espeak: Request review/upload of new package. https://launchpad.net/bugs/62416 From themuso at themuso.com Tue Sep 26 09:29:54 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:29:54 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62416] Re: espeak: Request review/upload of new package. References: <20060926092715.10355.89409.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060926092954.5066.40537.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Debdiff attached. ** Attachment added: "Debdiff attached." http://librarian.launchpad.net/4441438/1.11-0ubuntu1_1.15-0ubuntu1.diff -- espeak: Request review/upload of new package. https://launchpad.net/bugs/62416 From themuso at themuso.com Tue Sep 26 09:38:18 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:38:18 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62416] Re: espeak: Request review/upload of new package. References: <20060926092715.10355.89409.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060926093818.5117.34384.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Last minute changes suggested by primary package author. ** Attachment added: "Last minute changes suggested by primary package author." http://librarian.launchpad.net/4441455/1.11-0ubuntu1_1.15-0ubuntu1.diff -- espeak: Request review/upload of new package. https://launchpad.net/bugs/62416 From themuso at themuso.com Tue Sep 26 09:42:50 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:42:50 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62416] Re: espeak: Request review/upload of new package. References: <20060926092715.10355.89409.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060926094250.10355.21819.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Argh. Some more last minute changes. ** Attachment added: "Argh. Some more last minute changes." http://librarian.launchpad.net/4441458/1.11-0ubuntu1_1.15-0ubuntu1.diff -- espeak: Request review/upload of new package. https://launchpad.net/bugs/62416 From chitotuason at yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 13:04:40 2006 From: chitotuason at yahoo.com (Chito Tuason) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:04:40 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62446] Crash References: <20060926130440.5066.40072.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060926130440.5066.40072.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: the problem report just pops up.... ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: Unconfirmed ** Description changed: - ProblemType: Crash - Date: Tue Sep 26 20:56:54 2006 - Dependencies: - lsb-base 3.1-10ubuntu4 - libslang2 2.0.6-2 - ttf-dejavu 2.7-2 - whiptail 0.52.2-5.1ubuntu1 - libtext-charwidth-perl 0.04-4 - libxrender1 1:0.9.1-0ubuntu1 - libbonobo2-0 2.16.0-0ubuntu1 - fontconfig 2.3.2-7ubuntu2 - liblocale-gettext-perl 1.05-1 - libxau6 1:1.0.1-1 - libxfixes3 1:4.0.1-0ubuntu1 - libjpeg62 6b-13 - libgail-common 1.9.2-0ubuntu1 - libacl1 2.2.39-1ubuntu2 - liblzo1 1.08-3 - libncurses5 5.5-2ubuntu1 - libgtk2.0-0 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 - libgpg-error0 1.2-1 - libidl0 0.8.6-1ubuntu1 - libpopt0 1.10-2 - libxcursor1 1.1.7-0ubuntu1 - libatspi1.0-0 1.7.11-0ubuntu2 - libfontconfig1 2.3.2-7ubuntu2 - libglib2.0-0 2.12.3-1ubuntu1 - libpng12-0 1.2.8rel-5.1 - defoma 0.11.10 - libbonobo2-common 2.16.0-0ubuntu1 - libtext-wrapi18n-perl 0.06-5 - libtiff4 3.8.2-6 - sed 4.1.5-1 - libcupsys2 1.2.3-1ubuntu3 - mktemp 1.5-2 - libxrandr2 2:1.1.1-0ubuntu1 - libselinux1 1.30-1 - libmagic1 4.17-2ubuntu1 - libattr1 2.4.32-1ubuntu1 - libgail18 1.9.2-0ubuntu1 - liborbit2 1:2.14.3-0ubuntu1 - libgnomecanvas2-0 2.14.0-3ubuntu1 - fontconfig-config 2.3.2-7ubuntu2 - libgnutls13 1.4.0-3ubuntu1 - debconf 1.5.2ubuntu2 - libxtst6 2:1.0.1-3build1 - libxinerama1 2:1.0.1-4build1 - libxext6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 - ucf 2.0012 - libpango1.0-common 1.14.4-0ubuntu1 - libgtk2.0-bin 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 - libnewt0.52 0.52.2-5.1ubuntu1 - libgcrypt11 1.2.2-2 - libgnomecanvas2-common 2.14.0-3ubuntu1 - debconf-i18n 1.5.2ubuntu2 - perl 5.8.8-6 - tzdata 2006g-2ubuntu1 - libxi6 2:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 - libcairo2 1.2.4-1ubuntu1 - x11-common 1:7.0.22ubuntu10 - libsepol1 1.12-1 - libart-2.0-2 2.3.17-1 - debianutils 2.16.2 - locales 2.3.20 - mcpp 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 - libglade2-0 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu1 - belocs-locales-bin 2.4-1ubuntu4 - libtasn1-3 0.3.5-1 - libxdmcp6 1:1.0.1-1 - libx11-data 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu3 - libatk1.0-0 1.12.1-0ubuntu1 - file 4.17-2ubuntu1 - libxml2 2.6.26.dfsg-2ubuntu3 - libfreetype6 2.2.1-5 - libtext-iconv-perl 1.4-3 - libice6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 - libopencdk8 0.5.8-1 - libsm6 2:1.0.1-1ubuntu1 - perl-modules 5.8.8-6 - coreutils 5.96-5ubuntu4 - libgdbm3 1.8.3-3 - libgtk2.0-common 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 - libx11-6 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu3 - ncurses-bin 5.5-2ubuntu1 - zlib1g 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu1 - libc6 2.4-1ubuntu10 - libxevie1 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 - libxft2 2.1.10-1ubuntu1 - perl-base 5.8.8-6 - libdb4.4 4.4.20-6 - libpango1.0-0 1.14.4-0ubuntu1 - libexpat1 1.95.8-3.2 - DistroRelease: Ubuntu 6.10 - ExecutablePath: /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd - Package: at-spi 1.7.11-0ubuntu2 - ProcCmdline: /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:Accessibility_Registry:1.0 --oaf-ior-fd=17 - ProcEnviron: - LANG=tl_PH.UTF-8 - LANGUAGE=tl_PH.UTF-8 - PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games - SHELL=/bin/bash - ProcMaps: - 08048000-08053000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 449795 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd - 08053000-08055000 rw-p 0000a000 08:08 449795 /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd - 08055000-08575000 rw-p 08055000 00:00 0 [heap] - b74a6000-b74a7000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 115596 /usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so - b74a7000-b74a9000 rw-p 00001000 08:08 115596 /usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so - b74a9000-b74b0000 r--s 00000000 08:08 113235 /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache - b74b0000-b74b9000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 161066 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_files-2.4.so - b74b9000-b74bb000 rw-p 00008000 08:08 161066 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_files-2.4.so - b74bb000-b74c3000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 161068 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_nis-2.4.so - b74c3000-b74c5000 rw-p 00007000 08:08 161068 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_nis-2.4.so - b74c5000-b74d7000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 161063 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.4.so - b74d7000-b74d9000 rw-p 00011000 08:08 161063 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.4.so - b74d9000-b74db000 rw-p b74d9000 00:00 0 - b74db000-b74e2000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 161064 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_compat-2.4.so - b74e2000-b74e4000 rw-p 00006000 08:08 161064 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_compat-2.4.so - b74e4000-b74e6000 rw-p b74e4000 00:00 0 - b74e6000-b74ea000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 113888 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 - b74ea000-b74eb000 rw-p 00003000 08:08 113888 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 - b74eb000-b7507000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 113263 /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1.0.0 - b7507000-b7509000 rw-p 0001c000 08:08 113263 /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1.0.0 - b7509000-b750a000 rw-p b7509000 00:00 0 - b750a000-b750c000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 113060 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 - b750c000-b750d000 rw-p 00001000 08:08 113060 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 - b750d000-b763b000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 161057 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so - b763b000-b763d000 r--p 0012d000 08:08 161057 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so - b763d000-b763f000 rw-p 0012f000 08:08 161057 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.4.so - b763f000-b7642000 rw-p b763f000 00:00 0 - b7642000-b7708000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 113230 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 - b7708000-b770b000 rw-p 000c5000 08:08 113230 /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0 - b770b000-b770c000 rw-p b770b000 00:00 0 - b770c000-b7721000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 321703 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 - b7721000-b7722000 rw-p 00014000 08:08 321703 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 - b7722000-b7724000 rw-p b7722000 00:00 0 - b7724000-b772c000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 324717 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 - b772c000-b772d000 rw-p 00007000 08:08 324717 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 - b772d000-b7734000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 161073 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/librt-2.4.so - b7734000-b7736000 rw-p 00006000 08:08 161073 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/librt-2.4.so - b7736000-b77c7000 r-xp 00000000 08:08 321323 /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.3 - 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bfbc5000-bfbda000 rw-p bfbc5000 00:00 0 [stack] - ffffe000-fffff000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 [vdso] - ProcStatus: - Name: at-spi-registry - State: D (disk sleep) - SleepAVG: 98% - Tgid: 4823 - Pid: 4823 - PPid: 1 - TracerPid: 0 - Uid: 1000 1000 1000 1000 - Gid: 1000 1000 1000 1000 - FDSize: 256 - Groups: 4 20 21 24 25 29 30 44 46 106 110 112 1000 - VmPeak: 16668 kB - VmSize: 16636 kB - VmLck: 0 kB - VmHWM: 9256 kB - VmRSS: 9256 kB - VmData: 5340 kB - VmStk: 84 kB - VmExe: 44 kB - VmLib: 10684 kB - VmPTE: 24 kB - Threads: 1 - SigQ: 0/4294967295 - SigPnd: 0000000000000000 - ShdPnd: 0000000000000000 - SigBlk: 0000000000000000 - SigIgn: 0000000020001000 - SigCgt: 0000000180000000 - CapInh: 0000000000000000 - CapPrm: 0000000000000000 - CapEff: 0000000000000000 - Cpus_allowed: ff - Mems_allowed: 1 - Signal: 6 - SourcePackage: at-spi - Uname: Linux ubuntu 2.6.17-9-generic #2 SMP Fri Sep 22 10:41:59 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux + the problem report just pops up.... -- Crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/62446 From chitotuason at yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 13:09:42 2006 From: chitotuason at yahoo.com (Chito Tuason) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:09:42 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62446] Re: Crash References: <20060926130440.5066.40072.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060926130942.10355.80424.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> gaim is open... ** Attachment added: "at-spi-registryd crash" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4442250/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- Crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/62446 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 26 14:23:56 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:23:56 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62446] Re: Crash References: <20060926130440.5066.40072.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060926142357.5066.32752.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Thanks for your bug report. This looks like a duplicate of bug 56452 - which we thought fixed with the same version. Do you remember what you did to get that crash? Is this reproducible? ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- Crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/62446 From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 26 15:32:49 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:32:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: help with enabling universe Message-ID: <0J6700M5XHUO3CQB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I am trying to enable universe so the apt-get will see things like lame and dosemu. On the site the following is listed to do this with out editing files manually. Adding Extra Repositories To enable the extra repositories: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0639-2, 09/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Open System->Administration->Software Properties . Select Add To enable the Universe repository, check the Community Maintained (Universe) button. In the new version I have there is no software properties. Is there another place to do this with out searching for files to edit. I see software sources, but this doesn't work with orca. I had a sighted person look and they didn't see a add button there. Thanks Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Sep 26 20:06:56 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:06:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: HELP WITH NETWORK Message-ID: <0J67008MQUJJLIC1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> hI has anyone been able to connect to a network and get orca to read the file names. I see ms hone, but no folders. The arrow keys don't seem to do anything. Is there a command to get to them. Mike. From vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi Tue Sep 26 23:37:29 2006 From: vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Veli-Pekka_T=E4til=E4?=) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:37:29 +0300 Subject: VmWare & Festival, VM Benefits, CLI and Gnome Annoyances Message-ID: <001501c6e1c4$be4d3b90$7901a8c0@centrino> Hi list, My first post here. This is pretty long so feel free to snip and mod the subject line as needed. VmWare & Festival: I'm running Dapper under VmWare Server 1.01 (Win XP) and performed an alternate Ubuntu install. Audio works fine in Gnome but I get no speech in Gnopernicus. Of the two servers available in test-speech the second gives me an error and the first place corrupted audio sounding like bursts of white noise and other artifacts. Why is there no speech in Gnopernicus even though Gnome sound does work? What audio attributes does Festival have? I'm suspecting the audio artifacts might be either some issue within VmWare itself or some non standard audio format e.g. odd sampling rate used by Festival. I'd appreciate any feedback you can give me about troubleshooting Gnopernicus speech issues and running Festival in VmWare. Here are some extracts from test-speech: Attempting to activate OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.3. Driver name: Festival GNOME Speech Driver Driver version: 0.3 Synthesizer name: Festival Speech Synthesis System Synthesizer Version: 1.4.3 This one plays corrupted audio. Attempting to activate OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Speech_Dispatcher:pro to0.3. Server could not be initialized. A reply I got in alt.comp.blind-users seems to indicate that the audio issue might be something introduced in VmWare Workstation 5 and the Server product line. The post is here (via Google): http://tinyurl.com/rcd5z I've also reported the issue, together with a sample wave file, on the VmWare Web fora but got no reply: http://tinyurl.com/hbk9m I went with the defaults during the OS install itself and the only customization I've done has been to enable assistive technology support and Gnopernicus in Gnome. I also ran all the 30 updates it recommended including apparently a new Linux kernel. I haven't found any useful audio options in VmWare or the GNoem audio applet itself. The guest machine's sound card is always an SB compatible PCI card which shows up as Ensoniq PCI audio within Linux. If Festival fails to work, VmWare offers a named pipe back to the Windows world from its serial port. Are there any simple speech APIs that Gnopernicus supports? If there are I suppose I could write a quick and dirty Perl script that sits at the other end of that named pipe waiting for input and passing it after some wrapping to a SAPI 5 OLE object in Windows. That means WIndows speaks the prompts in Gnome but I don't care which OS does it as long as it works, . VM Benefits: My method of installing Linux was pretty involved but has been working quite well actually. That is I ran the alternate Dapper ISo selecting the blindness boot option and giving the parameter console=ttyS0. That guest machine's serial port is a virtual Windows serial port whose connected to the TeraTerm terminal emulator. I can then use my screen reader and magnifier, Supernova, to read all terminal output. Although it required some configuration, I kind of like my current assistive technology setup. It means I can use a screen reader straight from the boot up, regardless of which distro I'm trying to run or whether sound works in the first place. As VmWare is a virtual machine I can reinstall everything with ease, take snapshots and even use full-screen magnification and color changing (invert RGB) features provided by Supernova. How's Gnome magnification today? The last time I tried a couple of years back it couldn't do full-screen magnification or magnify the area covered by the magnifier window. Anyway, within my VmWare setup Braille works directly, too, and I find I can listen to formant based speech synths like Orpheus or ViaVoice twice as fast as I can Festival which is a huge productivity boost. Although I do all of my computing in English, I need FInnish speech support on a daily basis for e-mail, e-books and such. I've never seen the Suopuhe addition to Festival being integrated in any Linux distro. More info at: http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/suopuhe/english.shtml The reason why I'd like to get Festival working would be to have some spoken output in Gnome, too, in addition to the magnification. I'm still primarily a speech user. I've got a page about my sight here: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/sight.html And another comparing synths like Festival and Orpheus: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/reviews_of_speech_synths.html I'm considering taking part in a Unix programming course which is about GUIs so I'd need to get this stuff solved before I can attend. I've tried half a dozen distroes over the years and in none of them the assistive technology has worked straight away. Most of my Linux experience has been trying to set up them in one distro or another, rather than actually using and enjoying the OS. In contrast, although it might be an unfair comparison, VoiceOver works straight away which is a great feeling if you are a newbie in some OS and pondering whether to give it a test drive. CLI and Gnome Annoyances: Some of this last section is slightly OT. It also serves as a member intro, though, so it's stuff I would have said sooner or later. Ever since having seen my first GUI, I've been a GUI guy despite being legally blind. I value the command line and scripting occasionally but enjoy immensly the hotkey driven, mnemonic and simple GUI when wearing my user hat, period. It's gotten up to the point whre I'm afraid to delete stuff without an undo mechanism like the Trash and gripe about commands whose names or long switches would be considered non-intuitive if they were names in, say, Java code. I guess you get the picture as to my computing habits and attitude. I should add I consider myself a power user in the MS OSes (DOS since DrDos 4 and Winblows since 95) and like tweaking only if it has got some true significance e.g. shortening the tab order or less latency in soft synths. The few text-oriented Unixisms I like are Perl, I'm willing to take complexity in programmer mode, and regular expressions for navigating text files. Another point is that the command line isn't always that speech friendly, either. AT the risk of a tangent, ls -l output is extremely speech hostile as it doesn't place the columns in the order of signifnicance, for example. Similarly bad are man pages, as they wrap in mid-word and trip up the pronounciation in line-based speech synths. I do realize these tools are not set up for speech users by default but it would be nice if more configuration options or accessibility scripts would be supplied to avoid having to reinvent the wheel. As far as shells go, I think Fish might be the one for me. Is it any good with speech? Here's some info: http://arstechnica.com/articles/columns/linux/linux-20051218.ars/2 Lastly, there are some accessibility things I'd really like to change in Gnome. To my knowledge none of the high contrast themes offers a good contrast between the dialog, text field and button backgrounds. This is extremely important to me in getting the big picture without magnification. An example of the core rules I use when doing GUi themes for myself is my Accessible Winamp Skin page at: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/winamp_access.html For another working example, here's a CSS file I use to override all colors on the Web on WIntel platforms: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ie_css.html Again my Linux theming experiences are a couple of years old. Is there already a graphical theme editor for Gnome which has a real time preview? I find that I don't often get the look right the first time so a GUI would save lots of time and nerves compared to handcoding in XML or some Gnome specific mini language. The last time I tried setting up this in Debian I found no proper docs about the format, and decided to wait until they've got a GUI for managing the GUI, like KDE does. Hope I've been outlining my Festival problem clearly and that my depressing experiences and attitudes about LInux haven't boared you to death. PS: I wouldn't want to start yet another holy war about GUis and CLIs or any other such topic. I just decided to mention right away I don't feel comfortable with CLIs and am aiming for a GUI experience if at all possible. OS X is high on my gotta get OS list. -- With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi) Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Sep 27 05:22:03 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:22:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: idea for the installer Message-ID: <0J6800JH4K8PV5H7@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I don't know how hard this would be to do, but if there is a real problem getting orca to work with the install program. How about a automatic installer. It could assume you want to use the whole drive if it is blank, and if it sees a partition it would use the largest free space. Just a thought, Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0639-2, 09/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi Wed Sep 27 06:38:01 2006 From: vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Veli-Pekka_T=E4til=E4?=) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:38:01 +0300 Subject: idea for the installer References: <0J6800JH4K8PV5H7@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000601c6e1ff$7dde0450$7901a8c0@centrino> mike coulombe wrote: > but if there is a real problem getting orca to work with the install > program. How about a automatic installer. I think that's a great idea especially for newbies who do want to go with the defaults. About the only setting I changed myself was the locale FInland that is. Based on that a smart installer should be able to figure out my time zone and keyboard, although there might not be a 1to1 mapping for all the other countries. I've heard there might already be an automated deployment system for Debian, which is called I believe automated install (kickstart in Redhat). I've never used the thing, though. It would be even better if the user could customize the setup. HACking some well commented config file to do that might be an acceptable alternative similarly to apps like doxygen for C plus plus programmers or the HTML Tidy manual and config file for Web authors. Personally, you guessed it, I would rather do this via some GUI preferably mirroring that of the installer as much as is practical. The only OS in which I've done that myself and really liked it was Win98, though. For Windows users, and I guess most people are switching from windows due to the dominance and long-term development of apps like Jaws, Eloquence and Zoom Text, there's another catch. That is you cannot generally make a good accessible Windows GUI with Linux GUis like TK or GTK, or at least I've never seen any. Maybe a cross platform solution with ports to various OSes and GUI libs, if the users would like to do this customization before they boot to the OS. Or some console affair written with a GUI screen readre friendly text mode and ANSI C. AS to what's GUI reader friendly, little or no ASCII graphics and using the standard cursor or something that's at least shaped like a vertical bar for easy tracking. Or if the live CD approach is prevalent, one could do this customization in some specialty distro. Maybe it would fit on most USB sticks and you could at the very least easily write out the changes on some removable media. On the other hand, if the live CD could be made to speak the installer, most people who don't have to deploy Linux on multiple machines, could just as well use the speaking installer directly. Regarding the defaults, if this is specific to folks needing accessibility, I think the settings should reflect that. For ages I've been wishing for a LInux distro that just worked in terms of accessibility. SOmething with as many CLI and GUI readers, multi-lingual speech synths and accessible versions (GTK2 or self-voicing) as is practical. Too bad the Oralux project hasn't advanced all that much. I think it would be great if Gnome had the assistive technology support enabled by default. I cannot see why it already doesn't, in fact, unless accessibility is a major performance or stability hit. OS X has the right attitude in this, in that a user can just start using Voice Over, and when he or she does that, speech, full keyboard access and the accessibility API just works. In other words, no need to configure anything. Besides, configuring is difficult for many if you don't have speech or at least good full-screen magnification preferrably with font smoothing (for truetype stuff). -- With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi) Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Wed Sep 27 07:31:43 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:31:43 -0000 Subject: [Bug 7358] Re: atk1.0: FTBFS: linker error: undefined references References: <20060113125637.21012.20959.launchpad@macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com> Message-ID: <20060927073426.16251.55732.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: atk1.0 (Debian) Status: Unknown => Fix Released -- atk1.0: FTBFS: linker error: undefined references https://launchpad.net/bugs/7358 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Wed Sep 27 07:37:38 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:37:38 -0000 Subject: [Bug 56452] Re: Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) References: <20060815125321.24756.14980.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060927073832.16251.93950.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: at-spi (upstream) Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Released -- Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently (crash reports no longer necessary) https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 From krister at kristersplace.ws Wed Sep 27 08:18:31 2006 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:18:31 +0200 Subject: idea for the installer In-Reply-To: <000601c6e1ff$7dde0450$7901a8c0@centrino> References: <0J6800JH4K8PV5H7@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <000601c6e1ff$7dde0450$7901a8c0@centrino> Message-ID: <1159345111.4775.12.camel@krister-desktop> Hi folks, I don't think the problem is the installer being accessible or not, at least in Ubuntu, the graphical installer works very well, at least if you have a hard drive dedicated to Linux. The thing that can be tricky, or rather that is tricky is that speecha and braille don't follow when you switch to being a root user from a regular user. You'll have to kill Orca as a regular user and then start it again as root, and this can sometimes cause problems. What would be good was if there was a way to smoothly switch speech with the user so that one could switch users without losing assistive technology and i think this is being worked on. Please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. /Krister On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 09:38 +0300, Veli-Pekka Tätilä wrote: > mike coulombe wrote: > > but if there is a real problem getting orca to work with the install > > program. How about a automatic installer. > I think that's a great idea especially for newbies who do want to go with > the defaults. About the only setting I changed myself was the locale FInland > that is. Based on that a smart installer should be able to figure out my > time zone and keyboard, although there might not be a 1to1 mapping for all > the other countries. > > I've heard there might already be an automated deployment system for Debian, > which is called I believe automated install (kickstart in Redhat). I've > never used the thing, though. > > It would be even better if the user could customize the setup. HACking some > well commented config file to do that might be an acceptable alternative > similarly to apps like doxygen for C plus plus programmers or the HTML Tidy > manual and config file for Web authors. > > Personally, you guessed it, I would rather do this via some GUI preferably > mirroring that of the installer as much as is practical. The only OS in > which I've done that myself and really liked it was Win98, though. > > For Windows users, and I guess most people are switching from windows due to > the dominance and long-term development of apps like Jaws, Eloquence and > Zoom Text, there's another catch. That is you cannot generally make a good > accessible Windows GUI with Linux GUis like TK or GTK, or at least I've > never seen any. Maybe a cross platform solution with ports to various OSes > and GUI libs, if the users would like to do this customization before they > boot to the OS. Or some console affair written with a GUI screen readre > friendly text mode and ANSI C. AS to what's GUI reader friendly, little or > no ASCII graphics and using the standard cursor or something that's at least > shaped like a vertical bar for easy tracking. > > Or if the live CD approach is prevalent, one could do this customization in > some specialty distro. Maybe it would fit on most USB sticks and you could > at the very least easily write out the changes on some removable media. On > the other hand, if the live CD could be made to speak the installer, most > people who don't have to deploy Linux on multiple machines, could just as > well use the speaking installer directly. > > Regarding the defaults, if this is specific to folks needing accessibility, > I think the settings should reflect that. For ages I've been wishing for a > LInux distro that just worked in terms of accessibility. SOmething with as > many CLI and GUI readers, multi-lingual speech synths and accessible > versions (GTK2 or self-voicing) as is practical. Too bad the Oralux project > hasn't advanced all that much. > > I think it would be great if Gnome had the assistive technology support > enabled by default. I cannot see why it already doesn't, in fact, unless > accessibility is a major performance or stability hit. OS X has the right > attitude in this, in that a user can just start using Voice Over, and when > he or she does that, speech, full keyboard access and the accessibility API > just works. In other words, no need to configure anything. Besides, > configuring is difficult for many if you don't have speech or at least good > full-screen magnification preferrably with font smoothing (for truetype > stuff). > > -- > With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi) > Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: > http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ > > From crimsun at fungus.sh.nu Wed Sep 27 09:54:49 2006 From: crimsun at fungus.sh.nu (Daniel T Chen) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:54:49 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62416] Re: espeak: Request review/upload of new package. References: <20060926092715.10355.89409.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060927095449.10355.3520.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:58:56 +1000 Source: espeak Binary: espeak-data libespeak-dev libespeak1 espeak Architecture: source Version: 1.15-0ubuntu1 Distribution: edgy Urgency: low Maintainer: Luke Yelavich Changed-By: Luke Yelavich Description: espeak - A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer espeak-data - A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: speech data files libespeak-dev - A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: development files libespeak1 - A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: shared library Changes: espeak (1.15-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low . * New upstream release. * Updated manpage. * Break out synthesizer data files into new package, espeak-data. * Created libespeak1 and libespeak-dev library packages. * debian/control: Removed ${misc:Depends} from the espeak package Depends field as it isn't needed. Files: bf66181afdb0b4c0c9cbf481b66804e7 627 sound optional espeak_1.15-0ubuntu1.dsc b8c891c3dc8b3859fcea2b9ec8837abe 468942 sound optional espeak_1.15.orig.tar.gz df0753082dd815b30b731cc393debd77 4199 sound optional espeak_1.15-0ubuntu1.diff. gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFGkkKe9GwFciKvaMRAnOFAKDBu1fgS9kVnXCJnqMaHt3cGTdLtACfZZ0p kK97dqBoRg6fFMvDOp5ZEpI= =UJEP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ** Changed in: espeak (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Committed -- espeak: Request review/upload of new package. https://launchpad.net/bugs/62416 From lp at omma.net Wed Sep 27 10:57:57 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:57:57 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57054] Re: Possible memory leak in gnome-mag References: <20060821073451.12543.4719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060927105758.5066.82987.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> This bug has been fixed and marked as RESOLVED upstream. Please see the patch in Gnome bugzilla. ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #355583 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355583 ** Also affects: gnome-mag (upstream) via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355583 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gnome-mag (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Medium Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed -- Possible memory leak in gnome-mag https://launchpad.net/bugs/57054 From jos.plompen at planet.nl Wed Sep 27 11:06:07 2006 From: jos.plompen at planet.nl (gosh) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:06:07 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Re: Sudden crash References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060927110608.10355.55472.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> I got this crash when loggin in to Ubuntu Gnome ** Attachment added: "crash report festival" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4519428/_usr_bin_festival-synthesis-driver.1000.crash -- Sudden crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From themuso at themuso.com Wed Sep 27 11:39:21 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:39:21 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62416] Re: espeak: Request review/upload of new package. References: <20060926092715.10355.89409.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060927113922.10311.1743.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: espeak (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- espeak: Request review/upload of new package. https://launchpad.net/bugs/62416 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 27 13:38:47 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:38:47 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57054] Re: Possible memory leak in gnome-mag References: <20060821073451.12543.4719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060927133848.5066.28236.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=73104 should be applied after beta. ** Changed in: gnome-mag (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed -- Possible memory leak in gnome-mag https://launchpad.net/bugs/57054 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 27 13:39:43 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:39:43 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59120] Re: Sudden crash References: <20060906030318.29144.79117.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060927133943.10355.23871.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> We still need a backtrace for this. ** Changed in: gnome-speech (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: gnome-speech => festival ** Summary changed: - Sudden crash + Sudden crash (please attach backtraces) -- Sudden crash (please attach backtraces) https://launchpad.net/bugs/59120 From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Sep 27 14:24:47 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:24:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: help with apt-get Message-ID: <0J69008J49DBLGN3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I installed on another drive. When ever I run the command apt-get update it reports errors and says to run the same command. I use sudo su before running this command and even tried sudo entering it and my password when it asks. Any idea why this is happening and how to fix it. Thanks Mike. From vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi Wed Sep 27 15:53:02 2006 From: vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Veli-Pekka_T=E4til=E4?=) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:53:02 +0300 Subject: Speech Dispatcher and External Synths (COM ports) ? Message-ID: <000301c6e24d$06ab8120$7901a8c0@centrino> Hi list, Some updates about my questions concerning Gnome accessibility under VmWare Server: I read on the Web that disabling Gnome system sounds might help as there might be some conflict between the app managing them and Gnome-Speech. I did that and after some rebooting Gnopernicus appears to speak. The audio artifacts that prevent me from using Festival in VmWare still remain, however. As a temporary solution I'm thinking of sending stuff to the virtual machine's serial port which is a named pipe to a Perl script driving a speech synth in Windows. Now the question is how do I get speech commands in the COM port in Gnopernicus? I read somewhere it uses speech dispatcher which includes a generic APi for command-line driven speech synths. So supposedly changing my speech synth to some echo commands to dev/ttyS1 would do the trick. But as I'm new to Linux and Speech Dispatcher in particular, how to do that? I found a sample speech dispatcher config at: http://braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2006-April/038667.html Extrapolating from that I'm going to try something like the following. Does this look OK? GenericExecuteSynth "echo \"$RATE $VOLUME $DATA\" >dev/ttyS1" AddVoice "en" "generic" "en" GenericLanguage "en" "english" I'm thinking of supporting speed and volume but other than that I'd be very happy to get even a single SAPI 5 voice speaking this way, as a proof of concept. Step by step instructions as to where in Ubuntu speech dispatcher config files go, how they should be named and so on would be appreciated. I can use the console via my WIndows terminal emu but am not very comfortable with it. That is I have annoying buffering issues with my virtual serial port and auto-completion does nothing. But these are windows issues. Additionally, i found that I don't seem to be able to get super user privileges with su. However, if I use GNome and then enter the same password as for my ordinary user account, apps like Synaptic let me in without complaints. Odd. It's probably me missing some Ubuntu fundamentals again. BTW: I've read the Ubuntu Accessibility Wiki. Frankly speaking, currently Gnome is a pain to use with full-screen magnification alone. I'm primarily a speech user as I said but have a bit of a hen and egg situation in the sense that it's hard to do proper troubleshooting or read manuals off-line before the access aids are working. Well hope someone can help me with this. This time I haven't got so many questions and the mail isn't awfully long either. -- With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi) Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ From lp at omma.net Thu Sep 28 09:09:36 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:36 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59532] Re: Start Orca in --gui-setup mode from the menus References: <20060908144109.16587.56378.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060928090936.3663.52185.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> This works fine on the latest Edgy live CD. ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Fix Released -- Start Orca in --gui-setup mode from the menus https://launchpad.net/bugs/59532 From lp at omma.net Thu Sep 28 09:11:26 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:11:26 -0000 Subject: [Bug 59531] Re: Add a 'Quit Orca' button References: <20060908143355.16647.56054.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060928091126.3663.8983.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist Status: Unconfirmed => In Progress -- Add a 'Quit Orca' button https://launchpad.net/bugs/59531 From lp at omma.net Thu Sep 28 09:14:10 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:14:10 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58914] Re: orca doesn't start References: <20060904193652.26465.12497.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060928091410.2315.58325.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Orca does now start from the menu (though we will move it from there to gnome-at-prefs) ** Changed in: gnome-orca (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress => Fix Released -- orca doesn't start https://launchpad.net/bugs/58914 From lp at omma.net Thu Sep 28 09:54:25 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:54:25 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Re: Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060928095425.3663.98986.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Sorry for the long delay. Here is the strace. ** Attachment added: "OOo/at-spi crash strace" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4535974/strace-oo.log.gz -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From lp at omma.net Thu Sep 28 10:04:26 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:04:26 -0000 Subject: [Bug 45413] Re: Fails to start automatically on Live CD 20060518 References: <20060518134739.28160.59790.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060928100426.2315.21982.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> For Edgy we have moved to Orca, and any fixes here would not apply to gnopernicus nor be backported to dapper. ** Changed in: gnopernicus (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected -- Fails to start automatically on Live CD 20060518 https://launchpad.net/bugs/45413 From lp at omma.net Thu Sep 28 13:11:22 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:11:22 -0000 Subject: [Bug 61656] Re: gok doesn't work References: <20060921131117.23105.47903.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060928131122.2244.11034.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> I'm wondering if this might be a duplicate of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/58600 Galileon, could you try commenting out the wcom config lines as explained in that bug, restrart and try again? Thanks! -- gok doesn't work https://launchpad.net/bugs/61656 From lp at omma.net Thu Sep 28 13:38:42 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:38:42 -0000 Subject: [Bug 37603] Re: Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits References: <20060401160516.5415.73320.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060928133843.3663.32912.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> My guess would be that the titlebar text is fine because it has a dark shadow which enhances the contrast. The progressbar text which is white on orange might be difficult to see for some. I'm not sure if this represents a valid test, but I played with it a bit in gimp, first making it grayscale and then fading out the contrast a bit. See attached file. We do of course have the high contrast theme, but that may be overkill for those who are 'just' colour blind. ** Attachment added: "pgrogress dialog with altered saturation and contrast" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4537720/contrast.png -- Ensure that foreground and background color combinations provide sufficient contrast when viewed by someone having color deficits https://launchpad.net/bugs/37603 From henrik at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 28 13:54:10 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:54:10 +0200 Subject: help with package manager In-Reply-To: <1159191173.26164.47.camel@localhost> References: <0J61005KUYJMA762@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <1159191173.26164.47.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <451BD402.3050904@ubuntu.com> Willie Walker wrote: > > As work progresses on the bug being tracked by the above, we may also be > able to provide a better script for synaptic and the update manager in > Orca. > We are preparing a simple hack to make Ubuntu Edgy installable with Orca. Normally Orca runs as the user 'ubuntu' on the Live CD and the installer as root, which stops them talking to each other properly until the fix Will refers to is introduced in Gnome 2.17. To get around this we will make the installer check whether Orca is needed and if so launch it as root, which should Just Work. Chris Jones has also made an Orca script for the installer (ubiquity), which makes it behave fairly well/ We could extend the hack to other modules using sudo, but it's probably better to use root for now and then use the better solution in 2.17. Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 28 14:02:25 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:02:25 +0200 Subject: Orca and eSpeak In-Reply-To: <1159198140.26164.141.camel@localhost> References: <4e6a4f736bjsd@clara.co.uk> <20060922104951.GA13638@hemuso.com> <1159198140.26164.141.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <451BD5F1.2060007@ubuntu.com> Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Luke: > > >> What would actually be better, is to have a module written for >> speech-dispatcher to interface with the espeak shared library, rather >> than call the command-line utility all the time. Personally, I feel >> gnome-speech needs to be removed, and speech-dispatcher should be the >> speech back-end of choice. >> > > Will people from Ubuntu be at the GNOME Boston Summit? Jeff Waugh and Jorge Castro from Ubuntu will be there but no one from the AT team I'm afraid :( > > For replacing gnome-speech with speech-dispatcher, I really need to hear > your thoughts on why this is necessary. My main concern is to make sure > that this doesn't just end up swapping one set of problems for another > and that the switch really solves the problems we want solved. > I'm not sure it's necessary, but it seems sensible if we want to strengthen cross-platform support and reduce duplicate maintenance in future. Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 28 14:41:29 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:41:29 +0200 Subject: updates using orca In-Reply-To: <0J5P00HWB07OKG20@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0J5P00HWB07OKG20@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <451BDF19.5000703@ubuntu.com> mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, is it possible to get updates using orca. > Maybe I am doing something wrong, because pressing enter on update doesn't seem to do anything. > To get access to update tools try running orca as root first ('sudo su' in a terminal) and then run the utility you want from the command line as well, loike 'synaptic' or 'update-manager' Henrik From henrik at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 28 15:03:20 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:03:20 +0200 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <451BE438.3050306@ubuntu.com> Scott Ainslie Sutton wrote: > Greetings, > > I'd like to introduce myself to the Ubuntu Accessibility Team. My name > is Scott and I've recently become a Member of The Ubuntu Forums. I've > been using the Linux Operating System for 5 months and I hope, as > someone with a disability, that I can aid the development and > improvement of accessibility and functionality of the Ubuntu Linux > distribution for those with difficulties and both myself and my > partner are disabled and can offer insights into where we feel aid is > best needed and exactly how features can be improved. I look forward > to aiding the development of Ubuntu Linux and hope to be able to > contribute to the project in a meaningful way. Hello Scott! I see you have already signed up for the team in launchpad. A good way to start may be to look at the bugs already associated with the Access team: https://launchpad.net/people/accessibility/+subscribedbugs and then do some testing of the various access features in Ubuntu and report your findings in launchpad, ideally using the latest edgy. Helping new users (as you are a 5 month veteran) here on this list and in the forum is also a great help. Welcome! Henrik From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Sep 28 21:32:16 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:32:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: info on the installer possible bug. Message-ID: <0J6B00DRZNTROLA2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, to anyone installing knot 3, I have had the following problem. I have one fat 32 partition on the drive and the rest is free. When telling the installer to use free space it just sits there and my daughter says is has a circle going around. When I tried this with the latest live CD, and as a experiment with a fedora CD, it installed fine. So there may be a problem with the install program on the knot 3 CD. Is the bug with open office closed to being fixed. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0639-3, 09/27/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Sep 28 22:50:51 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:50:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: interesting info on account settings Message-ID: <0J6B00DFBRGQN9J2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I installed gnopernicus just to see if it would work at all. While it doesn't work as well as orca, I did find two interesting things. 1, It tells you how many items are in a list. 2, In account settings when adding a new user, it says checked when a box in the privileges list is checked. I just thought this may be of interest to anyone trying to set up new users. Mike. From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 28 12:21:04 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:21:04 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Re: Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060928122104.3663.58099.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Didn't you get a backtrace? Didn't apport or bug-buddy pop up? If not, could you try to to follow the instructons on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Wed Sep 27 07:31:43 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:31:43 -0000 Subject: [Bug 10634] Re: gnome-mag: SONAME change breaks existing gnopernicus package References: <20060113131552.21012.81197.launchpad@macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com> Message-ID: <20060927073650.16251.61275.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: gnome-mag (Debian) Status: Unknown => Fix Released -- gnome-mag: SONAME change breaks existing gnopernicus package https://launchpad.net/bugs/10634 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Wed Sep 27 07:31:43 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:31:43 -0000 Subject: [Bug 7920] Re: libgail17: libgailutil.so.17 is missing References: <20060113130008.21012.77589.launchpad@macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com> Message-ID: <20060927073618.16251.60789.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: gail (Debian) Status: Unknown => Fix Released -- libgail17: libgailutil.so.17 is missing https://launchpad.net/bugs/7920 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Wed Sep 27 07:31:43 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:31:43 -0000 Subject: [Bug 7801] Re: gail_1.6.6-2(hppa/unstable): FTBFS: requires files outside of build tree. References: <20060113125926.21012.87615.launchpad@macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com> Message-ID: <20060927073405.16251.90459.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: gail (Debian) Status: Unknown => Fix Released -- gail_1.6.6-2(hppa/unstable): FTBFS: requires files outside of build tree. https://launchpad.net/bugs/7801 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Wed Sep 27 07:31:43 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:31:43 -0000 Subject: [Bug 11480] Re: trying to overwrite file which is also in package gok-doc References: <20060113132017.21012.64606.launchpad@macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com> Message-ID: <20060927073643.16251.1653.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: gok (Debian) Status: Unknown => Fix Released -- trying to overwrite file which is also in package gok-doc https://launchpad.net/bugs/11480 From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Sep 29 02:52:39 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:52:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: need help with volume Message-ID: <0J6C00DJ72NQNGL3@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, where is the volume setting in the latest live CD. Thanks Mike. From jjesse at iserv.net Fri Sep 29 03:03:06 2006 From: jjesse at iserv.net (Jonathan Jesse) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:03:06 -0000 Subject: [Bug 33530] Re: KTTs wont shut up! References: <20060303102338.17525.94003.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060929030306.3619.4391.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> I noticed he last comment on this was w/ Flight 4 of Dapper. Are you still having problems with this on Dapper 6.06.1 LTS? Are you able to update your system to 6.06.1? If so could you please update your system and then update this bug? Thanks, Jonathan -- KTTs wont shut up! https://launchpad.net/bugs/33530 From bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net Fri Sep 29 07:39:00 2006 From: bugwatch at bugs.launchpad.net (Bug Watch Updater) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:39:00 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57054] Re: Possible memory leak in gnome-mag References: <20060821073451.12543.4719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060929074142.25255.24865.launchpad@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Changed in: gnome-mag (upstream) Status: Unknown => Fix Released -- Possible memory leak in gnome-mag https://launchpad.net/bugs/57054 From lp at omma.net Fri Sep 29 08:33:26 2006 From: lp at omma.net (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:33:26 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Re: Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060929083326.3663.47472.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> No apport does not pop up and of course when I run it with gdm it refuses to crash :-/ However I do get warnings and lots of CRITICAL massages related to AtkListener and XAccessibleContext that look highly relevant. See attached gdm output. ** Attachment added: "gdb output of soffice with at-spi running" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4541329/gdb-oocalc.txt -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 29 09:01:41 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:01:41 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Re: Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060929090141.2244.67702.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> const com::sun::star::accessibility::AccessibleEventObject& is something on the OOo end - no idea. -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From doko at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 29 09:07:07 2006 From: doko at ubuntu.com (Matthias Klose) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:07:07 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Re: Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060929083326.3663.47472.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <451CE23B.9020907@ubuntu.com> Henrik Nilsen Omma schrieb: > No apport does not pop up and of course when I run it with gdm it > refuses to crash :-/ > > However I do get warnings and lots of CRITICAL massages related to > AtkListener and XAccessibleContext that look highly relevant. See > attached gdm output. Henrik, please could you recheck with the packages at deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ edgy/$(ARCH)/ deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ edgy/all/ -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 29 09:38:56 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:38:56 -0000 Subject: [Bug 57054] Re: Possible memory leak in gnome-mag References: <20060821073451.12543.4719.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060929093857.3619.46284.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> gnome-mag (1:0.13.1-0ubuntu3) edgy; urgency=low . * magnifier/magnifier.c, debian/patches/10-fix-memleak-355583.patch: - apply patch from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355583 to fix memleak. (Malone: #57054) ** Changed in: gnome-mag (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- Possible memory leak in gnome-mag https://launchpad.net/bugs/57054 From henrik at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 29 12:55:00 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:55:00 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58701] Re: Calc - AT-SPI causes crash References: <20060903115752.26465.83138.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060929125500.3663.79977.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Thanks Mattias, I'm running that now and I'm no longer able to reproduce the crash. I still get the fairly ugly wanrnings when running soffice via gdb though (in case that's important): ** (soffice.bin:16550): WARNING **: ERROR: Event source does not implement XAccessibleContext ** (soffice.bin:16550): CRITICAL **: virtual void AtkListener::notifyEvent(const com::sun::star::accessibility::AccessibleEventObject&): assertion `xParent.is()' failed ** (soffice.bin:16550): WARNING **: ERROR: Event source does not implement XAccessibleContext ** (soffice.bin:16550): CRITICAL **: virtual void AtkListener::notifyEvent(const com::sun::star::accessibility::AccessibleEventObject&): assertion `xParent.is()' failed ** (soffice.bin:16550): WARNING **: Test me: table model change event -- Calc - AT-SPI causes crash https://launchpad.net/bugs/58701 From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Sep 29 15:50:55 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:50:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: trying to enable universe Message-ID: <0J6D005R12OVTWK1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I installed the latest CD and am trying to enable universe. I got help to find the list file to edit, however is says it is a read only file and can't be edited. How does one go about getting this done. In dapper there was a software properties to do this in. But I don't find that option in the new system. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0639-4, 09/29/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From jsd at clara.co.uk Fri Sep 29 17:22:13 2006 From: jsd at clara.co.uk (Jonathan Duddington) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:22:13 +0100 Subject: eSpeak package links broken for Edgy? Message-ID: <4e6e0f1cf6jsd@clara.co.uk> I noticed yesterday that if I search http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for "espeak" I see four related packages for Edgy (espeak, espeak-data, libespeak1, libespeak-dev), all at version 1.15. If I try now (a day later) to download these packages, the last three give "404-Not found", while the first gives an old version, 1.11. The new packages listed are in the database, but the files are not in http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/sound. Has the release process gone wrong, or has the new version just not yet propagated through the system? From michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com Fri Sep 29 17:58:25 2006 From: michaelweaver1 at btinternet.com (MICHAEL WEAVER) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:58:25 +0100 Subject: edgy beta not speaking Message-ID: <451D5EC1.7040505@btinternet.com> I have managed to get the Edgy Beta working. However I get no speech after hearing the music, ALT F2 and Orca doesn't seem to work and it seems like my CDROM drive on my laptop is still churning away after Ubuntu comes up. From crokett at gmail.com Fri Sep 29 18:29:43 2006 From: crokett at gmail.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:29:43 -0400 Subject: hello Message-ID: Hello. I am looking for some areas where I can contribute back to Ubuntu. I am a long time Windows user who finally got tired of fixing some mysterious problems with my Windows XP system. I can help the accesiblity team with testing, documentation and support. Eventually I want to start doing some coding. I have done limited coding though not in several years. However I can still read most code and figure out most of what is going on. thanks, David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From themuso at themuso.com Fri Sep 29 21:59:45 2006 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:59:45 +1000 Subject: eSpeak package links broken for Edgy? In-Reply-To: <4e6e0f1cf6jsd@clara.co.uk> References: <4e6e0f1cf6jsd@clara.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060929215945.GA5752@themuso.com> On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 03:22:13AM EST, Jonathan Duddington wrote: > I noticed yesterday that if I search http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for > "espeak" I see four related packages for Edgy (espeak, espeak-data, > libespeak1, libespeak-dev), all at version 1.15. > > If I try now (a day later) to download these packages, the last three > give "404-Not found", while the first gives an old version, 1.11. > > The new packages listed are in the database, but the files are not in > http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/sound. Has the release process gone > wrong, or has the new version just not yet propagated through the > system? It has long been Debian and Ubuntu policy to pack shared libraries into their own package, and package any development files related to that library into another. So for this, we have libespeak1 and libespeak-dev. The espeak-data package contains all the voice related files that go in /usr/share/espeak-data. Espeak-data is needed by both libespeak1 and espeak. The first packages of espeak 1.15 that were uploaded lacked the dependency for the espeak-data package, which has been fixed in the latest package version, 1.15-0ubuntu2. The best place to track packages is on the launchpad page at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/espeak The newest revision will eventually filter down through all other sites like packages.ubuntu.com, and the archive mirrors. Hope this helps. -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From garycramblitt at comcast.net Fri Sep 29 22:54:04 2006 From: garycramblitt at comcast.net (Gary Cramblitt) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:54:04 -0400 Subject: [Bug 33530] Re: KTTs wont shut up! In-Reply-To: <20060929030306.3619.4391.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> References: <20060303102338.17525.94003.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> <20060929030306.3619.4391.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <200609291854.04139.garycramblitt@comcast.net> On Thursday 28 September 2006 23:03, Jonathan Jesse wrote: > I noticed he last comment on this was w/ Flight 4 of Dapper. Are you > still having problems with this on Dapper 6.06.1 LTS? Are you able to > update your system to 6.06.1? If so could you please update your system > and then update this bug? > > Thanks, > > Jonathan > > -- > KTTs wont shut up! > https://launchpad.net/bugs/33530 Somebody post this in this bug please. (I am not a Kubuntu user) The Quit option only quits the KTTSMgr tray applet. To stop a speaking job, you must left click on the tray applet, go to the Jobs tab, select the speaking job, and click Remove. There will be a Stop option in the KDE 4 version of KTTSMgr tray applet when it is released. -- Gary Cramblitt (aka PhantomsDad) KDE Text-to-Speech Maintainer http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/kttsd/index.php From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Sep 30 00:40:54 2006 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:40:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: a possible change needed. Message-ID: <0J6D00101R86KSB8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi when I downloaded some of the games available for my kids, after starting one and exiting orca no longer speaks. Logging in again doesn't correct the problem. Apparently once orca is started if you log out and back in again it is still running. I had to use ctrl alt back space to kill the gnome session. My question is can orca be easily shut down. If not is there a way to set it so it doesn't come back automatic after killing gnome and it restarts. The box for orca is not checked. Mike. From satempler at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 06:33:08 2006 From: satempler at gmail.com (Scott Templer) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:33:08 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63109] Re: at-spi crashed for unknown reson References: <20060930063201.3619.39629.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930063309.2244.752.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "at-spi crash log" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4556375/_usr_lib_at-spi_at-spi-registryd.1000.crash -- at-spi crashed for unknown reson https://launchpad.net/bugs/63109 From satempler at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 06:32:01 2006 From: satempler at gmail.com (Scott Templer) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:32:01 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63109] at-spi crashed for unknown reson References: <20060930063201.3619.39629.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930063201.3619.39629.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Not sure what to report or what this is. all I know is it crashed and all my apps are running fine still ** Affects: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: Unconfirmed -- at-spi crashed for unknown reson https://launchpad.net/bugs/63109 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sat Sep 30 07:14:52 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:14:52 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63109] Re: at-spi crashed for unknown reson References: <20060930063201.3619.39629.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930071452.3619.17928.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 62446 *** Thanks for the bug report. This particular bug has already been reported into our bug tracking system, but please feel free to report any further bugs which you find. ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 62446 Crash ** Changed in: at-spi (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Medium Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs Status: Unconfirmed => Rejected -- at-spi crashed for unknown reson https://launchpad.net/bugs/63109 From daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com Sat Sep 30 07:16:32 2006 From: daniel.holbach at ubuntu.com (Daniel Holbach) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:16:32 -0000 Subject: [Bug 62446] Re: Crash References: <20060926130440.5066.40072.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930071632.2244.97321.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Please try to get a backtrace with http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace - if the crash report doesn't already contain it. ** Bug 63109 has been marked a duplicate of this bug ** Summary changed: - Crash + at-spi-registryd crash (please attach backtraces, check crash reports before) -- at-spi-registryd crash (please attach backtraces, check crash reports before) https://launchpad.net/bugs/62446 From krister at kristersplace.ws Sat Sep 30 10:40:36 2006 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:40:36 +0200 Subject: A newbie question to firefox users out there Message-ID: <451E49A4.1050502@kristersplace.ws> Hi and sorry for the cross posting. I understand that blind Ubuntu users use Mozilla Firefox with at least moderate success with Orca. I have tried the Firefox that comes with the latest Edgy, Bon echo beta 2 and on pages that don't contain tables or frames or forms, things seem to work very smoothly, however on pages with tables, forms, frames etc the cursor tends to get stuck and either i hear the same line spoken over and over or i don't hear anything at all. Has anyone else the same experience or is there something somewhere in Gnome, Firefox or elsewhere that needs to be changed? Thanks for any help. -- /Krister From henrik at ubuntu.com Sat Sep 30 12:33:46 2006 From: henrik at ubuntu.com (Henrik Nilsen Omma) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:33:46 +0200 Subject: A newbie question to firefox users out there In-Reply-To: <451E49A4.1050502@kristersplace.ws> References: <451E49A4.1050502@kristersplace.ws> Message-ID: <451E642A.9070509@ubuntu.com> Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi and sorry for the cross posting. > I understand that blind Ubuntu users use Mozilla Firefox with at least > moderate success with Orca. I have tried the Firefox that comes with the > latest Edgy, Bon echo beta 2 and on pages that don't contain tables or > frames or forms, things seem to work very smoothly, however on pages > with tables, forms, frames etc the cursor tends to get stuck and either > i hear the same line spoken over and over or i don't hear anything at > all. Has anyone else the same experience or is there something somewhere > in Gnome, Firefox or elsewhere that needs to be changed? > Thanks for any help. > Hi Krister, I believe this is the current state of Firefox access. A major overhaul of accessibility support is planned for Firefox 3 (which I guess will be out in 9 months or so?) See the mozilla access page for more info: http://www.mozilla.org/access/ I've taken the liberty of copying in Aaron Leventhal, lead of the mozilla accessibility effort on this mail, so he can correct any mistakes I've made :) When we start seeing Firefox 3 code that runs reasonably well, I'd like to see ubuntu packages made available somewhere (or other simple ways of installing on Ubuntu) so our user community can help test the bleeding edge for access issues and feed back to the mozilladevs working on it. Henrik From Tim.Miao at Sun.COM Sat Sep 30 14:17:31 2006 From: Tim.Miao at Sun.COM (Tao Tim Miao) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:17:31 +0800 Subject: =?gb2312?Q?=BB=D8=B8=B4=3A_Orca_A_newbie_question_to_firefox?= =?gb2312?Q?_users_out_there?= In-Reply-To: <451E49A4.1050502@kristersplace.ws> References: <451E49A4.1050502@kristersplace.ws> Message-ID: Hi, I suggest you could get more information about firefox accessible browsing in mozilla community here: http://www.mozilla.org/access/ . At least, lots of people contribute their hard work to firefox trunk accessibility works. But for now, firefox trunk build is not so good for accessible use. Thanks, -Tim ----- 原邮件 ----- 自: Krister Ekstrom 日期: 星期六, 2006 年 9月 30日, 下午6:40 主题: Orca A newbie question to firefox users out there 收件人: Ubuntu accessibility list 抄送: orca-list at gnome.org > Hi and sorry for the cross posting. > I understand that blind Ubuntu users use Mozilla Firefox with at least > moderate success with Orca. I have tried the Firefox that comes > with the > latest Edgy, Bon echo beta 2 and on pages that don't contain > tables or > frames or forms, things seem to work very smoothly, however on pages > with tables, forms, frames etc the cursor tends to get stuck and > eitheri hear the same line spoken over and over or i don't hear > anything at > all. Has anyone else the same experience or is there something > somewherein Gnome, Firefox or elsewhere that needs to be changed? > Thanks for any help. > -- > /Krister > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi Sat Sep 30 14:36:58 2006 From: vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Veli-Pekka_T=E4til=E4?=) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:36:58 +0300 Subject: eSpeak Problem: PaHost_OpenStream: could not open /dev/dsp for O_WRONLY Message-ID: <000301c6e49d$e5bd61b0$7901a8c0@centrino> Hi, My audio problems with Ubuntu under VmWare Server continue. As I've been unable to find a workaround for the audio issues I'm having with Festival, I'm considering using the eSpeak package in stead. I saw a speech dispatcher config file for it at: http://braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2006-April/038667.html eSPeak itself, including the binary, can be downloaded at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/espeak So I fetched speak-1.14-linux.zip on the Web site and unzipped it directly in my home folder. UPon running it, however, I get the following error: vtatila at Sandbox:~$ ./speak "this is a test" PaHost_OpenStream: could not open /dev/dsp for O_WRONLY PaHost_OpenStream: ERROR - result = -10000 Apparently it cannot access the sound card for some reason. This is a separate termminal via which I logged in. I also have a Gnome session running and had disabled audio in it as someone adviced it might help with Gnopernicus problems. I re-enabled the Gnome sound effects and tried again with no changes. I've testedd and Gnome happily plays its own sound effects like it should. PA is short for port audio I guess but other than that the message isn't very informative. I googled with the whole message but only found this question, to which no-one had answered: http://techweb.rfa.org/pipermail/portaudio/2005-December/005067.html I continued by googling with the constant O_WRONGLY alone but found nothing of interest. Apparently it is some Unix standard library constant and that's that. So any help appreciated. -- With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi) Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ From hanke at brailcom.org Sat Sep 30 15:17:17 2006 From: hanke at brailcom.org (Hynek Hanke) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:17:17 +0200 Subject: eSpeak Problem: PaHost_OpenStream: could not open /dev/dsp for O_WRONLY In-Reply-To: <000301c6e49d$e5bd61b0$7901a8c0@centrino> References: <000301c6e49d$e5bd61b0$7901a8c0@centrino> Message-ID: <1159629438.5159.182.camel@chopin> > So I fetched speak-1.14-linux.zip on the Web site and unzipped it directly > in my home folder. UPon running it, however, I get the following error: > > vtatila at Sandbox:~$ ./speak "this is a test" > PaHost_OpenStream: could not open /dev/dsp for O_WRONLY > PaHost_OpenStream: ERROR - result = -10000 > Apparently it cannot access the sound card for some reason. This is a > separate termminal via which I logged in. I also have a Gnome session > running and had disabled audio in it as someone adviced it might help with > Gnopernicus problems. I re-enabled the Gnome sound effects and tried again > with no changes. I've testedd and Gnome happily plays its own sound effects > like it should. Hi, if you plan to use Speech Dispatcher, I advise you just skip this test vtatila at Sandbox:~$ ./speak "this is a test" The eSpeak configuration file for Speech Dispatcher uses a binary like play or aplay to play the sound. So if either of these work for you and eSpeak is able to produce audio data (but not play them), you should be fine. Sorry, I have no experience with vmware, so I can't give a more concrete hint. With regards, Hynek Hanke From jsd at clara.co.uk Sat Sep 30 15:46:12 2006 From: jsd at clara.co.uk (Jonathan Duddington) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:46:12 +0100 Subject: eSpeak Problem: PaHost_OpenStream: could not open /dev/dsp for O_WRONLY In-Reply-To: <1159629438.5159.182.camel@chopin> References: <000301c6e49d$e5bd61b0$7901a8c0@centrino> <1159629438.5159.182.camel@chopin> Message-ID: <4e6e8a2856jsd@clara.co.uk> In article <1159629438.5159.182.camel at chopin>, Hynek Hanke wrote: > > > > vtatila at Sandbox:~$ ./speak "this is a test" > > PaHost_OpenStream: could not open /dev/dsp for O_WRONLY > > PaHost_OpenStream: ERROR - result = -10000 I can get that same error message if I speak a text file and then try to speak from a second copy of the speak program. So it can be due to two programs trying to access the sound output. Under the same conditions, the "play" program gives the error: Can't open output file /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy. > The eSpeak configuration file for Speech Dispatcher uses a binary > like play or aplay to play the sound. So if either of these work for > you and eSpeak is able to produce audio data (but not play them), you > should be fine. To test this, you can do: speak -w test.wav "this is a test" play test.wav I think the "play" program is part of the "sox" package. I'm not sure about "aplay", it's on my system, but I don't know its package. From vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi Sat Sep 30 17:41:54 2006 From: vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi (=?Windows-1252?Q?Veli-Pekka_T=E4til=E4?=) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:41:54 +0300 Subject: eSpeak Problem: PaHost_OpenStream: could not open /dev/dsp for O_WRONLY References: <000301c6e49d$e5bd61b0$7901a8c0@centrino> <1159629438.5159.182.camel@chopin> <4e6e8a2856jsd@clara.co.uk> Message-ID: <000a01c6e4b7$bb7ae7a0$7901a8c0@centrino> Jonathan Duddington wrote: >> like play or aplay to play the sound. So if either of these work for >> you and eSpeak is able to produce audio data (but not play them), you >> should be fine. > To test this, you can do: > speak -w test.wav "this is a test" > play test.wav Just did. It generates a wave file and I can play it in Gnome just fine. It doesn't find a program named play, however. Which reminds me, how do I tell whether speech-dispatcher is installed in the first place? The docs state that its config file should be in etc/speech-dispatcher/something or usr/local/etc/speech-dispatcher/something but neither folder exists. nor am I able to find the speech dispatcher config filee mentioned in the docs with the locate command. Ah and I just recently found out that dev DSP doesn't exist either, having tried piping stuff to it. All this makes me wonder whether speech Dispatcher is installed in the first place. The fact that Gnopernicus tries to use Festival via speech dispatcher, I think, made me think the speech dispatcher program is installed. I went with the default Dapper installation. I've been trying to install speech dispatcher with apt-get with no luck. I only found switches to install, not to search packages. Trying speech dispatcher with or without the dhash, with under scores and javaCasing does nothing. So I suppose I'm using the wrong package name. No luck with synaptic and the string dispatcher, either. By the way, how do I tell whether a package it lists in synaptic is installed or not? Ive been looking through the columns in that multi-column list but found no text string that would say installed, not installed, or something to that effect. Frankly speaking, I'd really need speech to use Gnome effectively. I'm only able to use WIndows for small amounts of time relying on magnification alone, because I know that system. There are basically three things that make gnome more difficult. First the color scheme. The selection is hard to spot. I'd like white text on a black background but something like turquoise for the dialog box backgrounds. So far I haven't found a graphical editor and the default high-contrast schemes don't work well for me. Secondly my Windows magnification program tracks the virtual machine mouse poorly, but that's an OT issue. And finally many of the menus like system or applications seem to have no underlined mnemonics. -- With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila at mail.student.oulu.fi) Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ From sitsofe at yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 21:18:47 2006 From: sitsofe at yahoo.com (Sitsofe Wheeler) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:18:47 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63243] Segfault running orca References: <20060930211847.3619.76169.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930211847.3619.76169.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Description of the problem: While trying to run Orca I received a segfault. I had previously turned off the festival service. Steps to reproduce: 1. Go to Applications -> Accessibility -> Orca Screen Reader and Magnifier. 2. A terminal window will appear. In it answer n n 3. The terminal window indicate that you need to log out and log back in for the GNOME accessibility to take effect. Expected result: Orca to bail out with a message that the festival server is not running. Actual results: Segfault and "This program has crashed" dialog. ** Affects: gnome-speech (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: Unconfirmed -- Segfault running orca https://launchpad.net/bugs/63243 From sitsofe at yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 21:19:26 2006 From: sitsofe at yahoo.com (Sitsofe Wheeler) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:19:26 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63243] Re: Segfault running orca References: <20060930211847.3619.76169.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930211926.2244.8757.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "Festival crash dump" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4564258/_usr_bin_festival-synthesis-driver.1000.crash -- Segfault running orca https://launchpad.net/bugs/63243 From sitsofe at yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 21:20:42 2006 From: sitsofe at yahoo.com (Sitsofe Wheeler) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:20:42 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63243] Re: Segfault running orca References: <20060930211847.3619.76169.malonedeb@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930212042.3619.56633.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> Additional information: I was also running XGL at the time of the crash. -- Segfault running orca https://launchpad.net/bugs/63243 From flomertens at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 18:57:49 2006 From: flomertens at gmail.com (Florent Mertens) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:57:49 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63227] [edgy] gok crash at startup References: <20060930185749.2315.36838.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930185749.2315.36838.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Public bug reported: Hi, gok crash at startup with the following output : /dev/js0: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type ** (gok:536): WARNING **: Cannot open input device! Erreur de segmentation (core dumped) I'll attach the apport crash report ** Affects: gok (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: Unconfirmed -- [edgy] gok crash at startup https://launchpad.net/bugs/63227 From flomertens at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 19:01:53 2006 From: flomertens at gmail.com (Florent Mertens) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:01:53 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63227] Re: [edgy] gok crash at startup References: <20060930185749.2315.36838.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930190153.3663.22763.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Attachment added: "_usr_bin_gok.y0T3G0.crash" http://librarian.launchpad.net/4560729/_usr_bin_gok.y0T3G0.crash -- [edgy] gok crash at startup https://launchpad.net/bugs/63227 From flomertens at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 19:12:34 2006 From: flomertens at gmail.com (Florent Mertens) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:34 -0000 Subject: [Bug 61656] Re: gok doesn't work References: <20060921131117.23105.47903.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930191234.2315.66732.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 58600 *** I mark this bug as a duplicate of 58600. Feal free to change that if you think this is not the same issue ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 58600 wacom configuration kills gok -- gok doesn't work https://launchpad.net/bugs/61656 From flomertens at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 19:09:48 2006 From: flomertens at gmail.com (Florent Mertens) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:09:48 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63227] Re: [edgy] gok crash at startup References: <20060930185749.2315.36838.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930190948.3663.24600.malone@gandwana.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 58600 *** This seams to be a duplicate of #58600 & #61656. Commented those three lines make it work : # InputDevice "stylus" "SendCoreEvents" # InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents" # InputDevice "eraser" "SendCoreEvents" ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 58600 wacom configuration kills gok -- [edgy] gok crash at startup https://launchpad.net/bugs/63227 From flomertens at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 19:10:24 2006 From: flomertens at gmail.com (Florent Mertens) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:10:24 -0000 Subject: [Bug 58600] Re: wacom configuration kills gok References: <20060902154914.26465.34934.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930191024.3663.63875.launchpad@gandwana.ubuntu.com> ** Bug 61656 has been marked a duplicate of this bug ** Bug 63227 has been marked a duplicate of this bug -- wacom configuration kills gok https://launchpad.net/bugs/58600 From flomertens at gmail.com Sat Sep 30 19:13:26 2006 From: flomertens at gmail.com (Florent Mertens) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:13:26 -0000 Subject: [Bug 63227] Re: [edgy] gok crash at startup References: <20060930185749.2315.36838.malonedeb@gangotri.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20060930191326.2315.66056.malone@gangotri.ubuntu.com> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 58600 *** Mark as Duplicate of 58600 -- [edgy] gok crash at startup https://launchpad.net/bugs/63227