From j.orcauser at googlemail.com Wed Aug 1 13:18:30 2007 From: j.orcauser at googlemail.com (Jon) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:18:30 +0100 Subject: brltty 3.7.2 startup issues Message-ID: <20070801131830.GA3060@hex> Hi, Just was wondering, if someone could share some light on this: Fresh ubuntu install on my laptop always boots with 2 instances of brltty, whereas the same setup on the desktop machine only has one instance of brltty running. I have done a fresh reinstall on both to see if it was some setting or file that i might have modified by accident, but the behavior persists. In all cases, the brltty starts before orca is started. Thank you -Jon From alpuzz at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 03:08:03 2007 From: alpuzz at gmail.com (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:08:03 -0400 Subject: Concerns about gutsy accessibility. Message-ID: <001401c7d4b2$57fe4fa0$9501a8c0@thinkpad> Hi all, Just wondering whether any progress has been made in terms of getting the Gutsy live CD talking again out of the box? Because of the long standing nature of this issue, I'm becoming concerned that users of Orca won't have a lot of time to offer meaningful contributions to the Gutsy test cycle. Thanks, --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From weavermicha at googlemail.com Fri Aug 3 11:45:37 2007 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (Michael Weaver) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:45:37 +0100 Subject: problems with punctuation in orca Message-ID: <2b2234330708030445n69aab109wc18b19138616e582@mail.gmail.com> I seem to be having a problem with punctuation in Orca when writing text documents be it email, the standard editor in fact anything where I am imputing text. What I mean is when I press Apostrophe or Quotes I get a beeping noise like an error message and any letter I type after that is missing or is run together for example if I type Michael's web site, all I get is Michaels Web Site. This is verry annoying if I am writing raw HTMl because it is making it impossible to create my hyperlinks, a field for my email etc. How do I resolve this problem? I use Ubuntu Feisty and a UK keyboard where apostrophe is supposed to be to the right of the keyboard, at is shift Apostrophe and shift 2 is Double Quotes. I can't understand why I am having this problem which I have had since Ubuntu has been installed as the At sign works fine. From arielle.cruz at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 21:22:42 2007 From: arielle.cruz at gmail.com (Arielle Cruz) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 05:22:42 +0800 Subject: New Mailing List Signee Message-ID: <9513863b0708061422p3ba181c4pc64cdc817ba728ff@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Mabuhay! I came across *"Joining the Ubuntu Accessibility Team" *thread in the Ubuntu Forum and from there signed up to this mailing list. My name is Arielle, from the Philippines, and I am a freelance web designer who is also connected to my country's web accessibility group (PWAG, http://www.pwag.org). I have been using Ubuntu exclusively since the Edgy release last year and this is the first and only Linux distribution that I've tried to date. But novice as I am, I would like to have the opportunity to test Ubuntu's accessibility features, primarily those concerning web browsing and other related operations for three reasons: First and the more self-serving one is of course, for providing myself a testing tool for my work. Second is for providing PWAG added knowledge on accessible software since most of us in our group have only heard of JAWS. (I try to use ORCA when I can though and I'm anxious to find out how well it will work with the new Firefox.) And most importantly, to give a small contribution of time and effort to the Ubuntu community where from I have benefited much in the last several months. Um... I guess that's it for now? I hope you'll take me. =) Cheers! Arielle (I'm a guy, by the way) -- Arielle B Cruz www.abcruz.com I am a Man of Truth. I am a Free Human Person. I am a Peacemaker. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM Mon Aug 6 21:54:29 2007 From: Michael.Pedersen at Sun.COM (Mike Pedersen) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:54:29 -0700 Subject: New Mailing List Signee In-Reply-To: <9513863b0708061422p3ba181c4pc64cdc817ba728ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <9513863b0708061422p3ba181c4pc64cdc817ba728ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186437269.6509.4.camel@desktop> Hello Arielle, welcome to the list. Probably your best place to start learning about Orca is by checking out the Orca Wiki at: live.gnome.org/Orca. There you will find lots of information on getting and using the latest orca as well as working with the nightly builds of Firefox. Hope this helps. Mike > Mabuhay! I came across "Joining the Ubuntu Accessibility Team" thread > in the Ubuntu Forum and from there signed up to this mailing list. > > My name is Arielle, from the Philippines, and I am a freelance web > designer who is also connected to my country's web accessibility group > (PWAG, http://www.pwag.org). > > I have been using Ubuntu exclusively since the Edgy release last year > and this is the first and only Linux distribution that I've tried to > date. But novice as I am, I would like to have the opportunity to test > Ubuntu's accessibility features, primarily those concerning web > browsing and other related operations for three reasons: > > First and the more self-serving one is of course, for providing myself > a testing tool for my work. Second is for providing PWAG added > knowledge on accessible software since most of us in our group have > only heard of JAWS. (I try to use ORCA when I can though and I'm > anxious to find out how well it will work with the new Firefox.) > And most importantly, to give a small contribution of time and effort > to the Ubuntu community where from I have benefited much in the last > several months. > > Um... I guess that's it for now? I hope you'll take me. =) > > Cheers! > Arielle (I'm a guy, by the way) > > > -- > Arielle B Cruz > www.abcruz.com > > > I am a Man of Truth. > I am a Free Human Person. > I am a Peacemaker. From themuso at themuso.com Tue Aug 7 11:16:42 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:16:42 +1000 Subject: Gutsy live CD accessibility problem identified. Message-ID: <20070807111642.GA21641@marin.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey folks. A lot of people have been writing to the Orca, and Ubuntu accessibility lists lately wondering why accessibility is not functioning when chosen for the live CD startup. I have found some time to look into this, and am sure I have identified the problem. For the technically minded, it seems that some gconf settings may have changed, which the Ubuntu CD startup doesn't yet know about. I hope to get these changes into the upcoming tribe 4 alpha release of Ubuntu. If so, I will let you all know, so that testing can begin in urnist. Thanks for your patience. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGuFSajVefwtBjIM4RAgTxAKDEZcB3Hkoynh7VRu9JeS6mLDMxNACgi9gc fSPG7KYclfDEjF34Hf74BbM= =vgTE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Aug 8 00:57:13 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:57:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ubuntu vmware Message-ID: <0JMF00B8BJZC2OD4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, In the ubuntu directory I saw a directory called vmware. It has a image of ubuntu just a little larger than will fit on a CD but it will fit on a small dvd. My question is, is this a release that includes vmware, and is orca included. Mike. From William.Walker at Sun.COM Wed Aug 8 20:10:21 2007 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:10:21 -0400 Subject: [orca-list] problems with punctuation in orca In-Reply-To: <2b2234330708030445n69aab109wc18b19138616e582@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b2234330708030445n69aab109wc18b19138616e582@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1186603821.13516.115.camel@server> The beeping you are experiencing is indeed strange. I've not experienced it before, so I'm not sure if this is Orca or not. One thing you might try is running orca from a gnome-terminal window and checking to see if it emits any ominous looking stack traces as you try to type. If you get some, please send them on. In addition, I wonder if the keys you are pressing are initiating some sort of multi-key sequence for entering characters. Do you have a sighted colleague that would be able to try repeat your typing experiences on your machine and logged into your account, except without Orca running? I'm curious if that person would run into the same problems. Will On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 12:45 +0100, Michael Weaver wrote: > I seem to be having a problem with punctuation in Orca when writing > text documents be it email, the standard editor in fact anything where > I am imputing text. > What I mean is when I press Apostrophe or Quotes I get a beeping noise > like an error message and any letter I type after that is missing or > is run together for example if I type Michael's web site, all I get is > Michaels Web Site. > This is verry annoying if I am writing raw HTMl because it is making > it impossible to create my hyperlinks, a field for my email etc. > How do I resolve this problem? > I use Ubuntu Feisty and a UK keyboard where apostrophe is supposed to > be to the right of the keyboard, at is shift Apostrophe and shift 2 is > Double Quotes. > I can't understand why I am having this problem which I have had since > Ubuntu has been installed as the At sign works fine. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Aug 9 00:45:33 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:45:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: zubuntu Message-ID: <0JMH00HZEE3X2FQ2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Is orca now able to be used in zubuntu. If so is it included on the CD. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Aug 9 02:07:40 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:07:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: can orca be run from a usb drive. Message-ID: <0JMH0089EHWRU252@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I was wondering if there is any way to put orca on a usb flashdrive and run it from there. On computers that do not have orca installed. If this is possible, is there a already built donloadable version of orca I can get. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 9 02:10:18 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:10:18 +1000 Subject: zubuntu In-Reply-To: <0JMH00HZEE3X2FQ2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JMH00HZEE3X2FQ2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070809021017.GA26073@marin.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:45:33AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, Is orca now able to be used in zubuntu. If so is it included on the CD. Unfortunately, xubuntu, with an x, is not very accessible, and the last time I tried Orca, I was not able to get anything ulseful from xfce. I hope to try and get more work done in this area in the next release cycle. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGuneJjVefwtBjIM4RAqLrAJ9AW7SV2u1K5z1OWPjcVQtWspWt/QCdE/aS WFyOl49nQQaTK8880koG84k= =vkXP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From freddymartinez9 at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 9 02:16:13 2007 From: freddymartinez9 at ubuntu.com (Freddy Martinez) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:16:13 -0500 Subject: zubuntu In-Reply-To: <20070809021017.GA26073@marin.yelavich.home> References: <0JMH00HZEE3X2FQ2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809021017.GA26073@marin.yelavich.home> Message-ID: speaking from the xubuntu point of view, we would love to have better accessibility. what wasn't working when you tried it? -- Best, Freddy Martinez From themuso at themuso.com Thu Aug 9 02:33:03 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:33:03 +1000 Subject: zubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <0JMH00HZEE3X2FQ2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809021017.GA26073@marin.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <20070809023303.GA30016@marin.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:16:13PM EST, Freddy Martinez wrote: > speaking from the xubuntu point of view, we would love to have better > accessibility. what wasn't working when you tried it? Nothing, but I likely didn't have the necessary settings set correctly, and a lot has changed since then. I hope to give it another whirl on a box in the next few days, to see where things stand. The other thing I have noticed, is a lack of shortcuts to do such things as arrow around the icons on the desktop, and get to the menus, to name a couple of things that I have tried to do. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGunzfjVefwtBjIM4RAsQ1AKCtZjUsuzRHILmWRvuPBAW0gM4qJwCgokkl Fdv94UFAklb9auhU5H6GGME= =nXfz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Aug 9 02:33:47 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:33:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: does orca work on the latest live cd. Message-ID: <0JMH0057AJ48GLC6@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, one last question today. Does orca now work on the latest ubuntu live CD. I will be gone until Sunday. If it now works I will download it and give it a try. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Aug 9 15:21:28 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:21:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: zubuntu Message-ID: <0JMI00880INSU6R3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Ok, orca is on the zubuntu CD. The problem is there doesn't seem to be any keyboard shortcuts in the desktop. If there are they are different from gnome. I could start and set up orca from a terminal but, I found no way to start orca from the desktop.Mike. From bejarar at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 03:52:46 2007 From: bejarar at yahoo.com (Rafael Bejarano) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Orca and presentation software Message-ID: <770428.21071.qm@web59206.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello, I have just subscribed to this list, as I intend to begin using Ubuntu and Orca in the next few days. As I am rather unfamiliar with Ubuntu and Orca at this point, however, I would very much appreciate any answers to the questions on these topics that I will most likely be posting to this list over the next several weeks. For my first question, I wonder if presentation software exists for Ubuntu that is accessible with Orca. I know that the spreadsheet and word-processing applications in Open Office are accessible, but is the presentation application in Open Office accessible, too? Cordially, Rafael Bejarano ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From themuso at themuso.com Fri Aug 10 10:38:11 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:38:11 +1000 Subject: Speech-dispatcher 0.6.4 beta1 and gutsy. Message-ID: <20070810103811.GA20755@themuso.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all With the recent announcement of speech-dispatcher 0.6.4 beta1, and the great enhancements it has brought with it, I am wondering whether it is worth getting this into Gutsy. The biggest enhancement I am thinking is the eSpeak driver, but there are also other nice bug fixes and enhancements that have been made as well. I could backport the eSpeak driver, however much has changed between the version that is now in Debian and Ubuntu, but at the same time, I don't want to introduce any instability to what is otherwise a great package. I only have a short time to get this done, as in maybe a week or so, so thoughts and suggestions would be very welcome. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGvEATjVefwtBjIM4RAkJMAKCVdj8vglzA+l5ypjyRJ03VAtAsewCfbBGN oSrGjfyF/QBiCgie+GkjcZc= =qcDS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com Fri Aug 10 19:33:41 2007 From: softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com (Ian Pascoe) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:33:41 +0100 Subject: FW: Orca and presentation software Message-ID: Hi All the OO components are accessabile. There are a couple of quirks in some components in the distro versions of OO, but this shouldn't detract from using them Ian -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com]On Behalf Of Rafael Bejarano Sent: 10 August 2007 04:53 To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Orca and presentation software Hello, I have just subscribed to this list, as I intend to begin using Ubuntu and Orca in the next few days. As I am rather unfamiliar with Ubuntu and Orca at this point, however, I would very much appreciate any answers to the questions on these topics that I will most likely be posting to this list over the next several weeks. For my first question, I wonder if presentation software exists for Ubuntu that is accessible with Orca. I know that the spreadsheet and word-processing applications in Open Office are accessible, but is the presentation application in Open Office accessible, too? Cordially, Rafael Bejarano ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Aug 12 01:46:24 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:46:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: live cd Message-ID: <0JMN0039S0X790C0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, does anyone have a explanation for this. I burned a live cd image to a cdrw and the system started to boot then stopped. I did the same thing using a dvdrw and the system boots from it just fine. Mike. From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sun Aug 12 03:39:31 2007 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:39:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: live cd In-Reply-To: <0JMN0039S0X790C0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JMN0039S0X790C0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: The download of the CD may be corrupt but the download of the DVD wasn't corrupt. From krister at kristersplace.ws Sun Aug 12 12:19:38 2007 From: krister at kristersplace.ws (Krister Ekstrom) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:19:38 +0200 Subject: All these old kernels... Message-ID: <46BEFADA.6080502@kristersplace.ws> Hi folks. I have a whole bunch of old and obsolete kernels on my hard drive and every time there comes a new kernel my /boot/grub/menus.lst gets updated and ofcourse then includes all my old and obsolete kernels, so i have to go in and trim down the menu.lst file by hand so that i can use my dual boot with not so much down arrowing. What i would like to know is, is there a way in Ubuntu to delete the old kernels that i no longer need so that only new kernels get used and so that the menu.lst doesn't get updated and gets longer and longer? If i could start gnome, which i can't due to a mistake from me, i could probably hand-delete the kernels or something like that but i wonder if there are other more safe methods to remove old kernels. Thanks for any help. /Krister From kenny at hittsjunk.net Sun Aug 12 13:11:49 2007 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:11:49 -0500 Subject: All these old kernels... In-Reply-To: <46BEFADA.6080502@kristersplace.ws> References: <46BEFADA.6080502@kristersplace.ws> Message-ID: <20070812131148.GL22729@hittsjunk.net> Hi. You can remove them using aptitude. Since they are old kernels, they are listed in obsolete packages. Just use the underline key to mark them for purging. Use g to tellaptitude to go do what you ask. Kenny On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 02:19:38PM +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi folks. > I have a whole bunch of old and obsolete kernels on my hard drive and > every time there comes a new kernel my /boot/grub/menus.lst gets updated > and ofcourse then includes all my old and obsolete kernels, so i have to > go in and trim down the menu.lst file by hand so that i can use my dual > boot with not so much down arrowing. > What i would like to know is, is there a way in Ubuntu to delete the old > kernels that i no longer need so that only new kernels get used and so > that the menu.lst doesn't get updated and gets longer and longer? > If i could start gnome, which i can't due to a mistake from me, i could > probably hand-delete the kernels or something like that but i wonder if > there are other more safe methods to remove old kernels. > Thanks for any help. > /Krister > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Aug 12 18:48:48 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:48:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca still doesn't work on the live cd Message-ID: <0JMO003NOC9B8ZL2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, we are getting close to the end of the cycle for this version of ubuntu. Has anything been done to come up with a way to get orca working in this version on the live CD. Or will this version be released inaccessible. I have been away for a few days. So if this has already been asked and answered sorry for asking again. Mike. From metalhead1009000 at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 21:36:31 2007 From: metalhead1009000 at gmail.com (Mike Reiser) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:36:31 -0500 Subject: orca still doesn't work on the live cd References: <0JMO003NOC9B8ZL2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <001401c7dd28$db443860$bde74e8b@mike> Someone is working on fixing this for tribe 4. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coulombe" To: "ubuntu" Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: orca still doesn't work on the live cd > Hi, we are getting close to the end of the cycle for this version of > ubuntu. Has anything been done to come up with a way to get orca working > in this version on the live CD. Or will this version be released > inaccessible. I have been away for a few days. So if this has already been > asked and answered sorry for asking again. > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From themuso at themuso.com Sun Aug 12 22:49:04 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:49:04 +1000 Subject: orca still doesn't work on the live cd In-Reply-To: <001401c7dd28$db443860$bde74e8b@mike> References: <0JMO003NOC9B8ZL2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <001401c7dd28$db443860$bde74e8b@mike> Message-ID: <20070812224904.GA9788@themuso.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 07:36:31AM EST, Mike Reiser wrote: > Someone is working on fixing this for tribe 4. Unfortunately getting it in by tribe 4 did not happen, as there were far more important issues that had to be fixed. It will certaily be in by tribe 5, but I hope to see about getting it pushed in sooner. As I don't have direct access to the repository where the code to make this work is stored, I rely on someone else to add it for me. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGv45gjVefwtBjIM4RAvRXAKCjWsqpL/hHX5mY0nqd5VEcCkXthgCgpebS r/pWp5+X/rtST0/dyn3kt7Q= =Nxn1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cleo.sl at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 11:42:46 2007 From: cleo.sl at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=EDrian_Bruckschen?=) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:42:46 -0300 Subject: Fwd: Orca on XFCE, using Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" In-Reply-To: <980058450708081639t7f2d4503j927edecc85ae5d72@mail.gmail.com> References: <980058450708081639t7f2d4503j927edecc85ae5d72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <980058450708130442l580fda9eh673b0321ea8545c1@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I sent the message below to orca-list, but perhaps here is the right place to post it. And, if Orca won't run in XFCE right now, are there any plans for make it work, or is it really unfeasible? Thank you very much for any thoughts, ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mírian Bruckschen Date: Aug 8, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Orca on XFCE, using Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" Hi all, I'm using XFCE 4.4.0 on Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn", and trying to use Orca screen reader with them. I'm working on a project with children with visual and learning disabilities, and XFCE seemed to us more feasible than GNOME due to computational resources issues. I have a few questions, guess it's the right list to post them. :) Is there anybody there using XFCE with Orca? How well does it work? I'm currently using Orca's latest version (from SVN, just got it yesterday) with eSpeak pt voice, and even though my Firefox' (still 2.0) window titles are correctly spoken, the XFCE menu options aren't. Also, Orca's screen and messages aren't read. Is there any configuration I'm missing, or this is known not to work under XFCE? We won't be using Firefox right now in this project, so I didn't bother to install version 3.0 yet, but the menu options and a few GTK applications (yet to be developed) are expected to work. Does anybody have any ideas on what I'm doing wrong, or what can I do to make it work? Thanks for your attention, -- Mírian Bruckschen -- Mírian Bruckschen From William.Walker at Sun.COM Mon Aug 13 12:13:16 2007 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:13:16 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Orca on XFCE, using Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" In-Reply-To: <980058450708130442l580fda9eh673b0321ea8545c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <980058450708081639t7f2d4503j927edecc85ae5d72@mail.gmail.com> <980058450708130442l580fda9eh673b0321ea8545c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1187007196.5970.225.camel@server> Hi Mírian: The primary target platform for Orca is GNOME, which is integrated into many different operating system distributions. The Orca team is small and is unable to do testing/integration coverage of all operating system distributions out there. Instead, we primarily use two platforms: Ubuntu and Open Solaris. Orca is a community project, however, and we encourage others to help us with testing and using Orca on all sorts of platforms. As you gain experience with XFCE, it would be great if you could include your notes off the following page: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall. Will (Orca Project Lead) On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 08:42 -0300, Mírian Bruckschen wrote: > Hi all, > > I sent the message below to orca-list, but perhaps here is the right > place to post it. And, if Orca won't run in XFCE right now, are there > any plans for make it work, or is it really unfeasible? > > Thank you very much for any thoughts, > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mírian Bruckschen > Date: Aug 8, 2007 8:39 PM > Subject: Orca on XFCE, using Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" > > Hi all, > > I'm using XFCE 4.4.0 on Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn", and trying to use > Orca screen reader with them. I'm working on a project with children > with visual and learning disabilities, and XFCE seemed to us more > feasible than GNOME due to computational resources issues. > > I have a few questions, guess it's the right list to post them. :) > Is there anybody there using XFCE with Orca? How well does it work? > I'm currently using Orca's latest version (from SVN, just got it > yesterday) with eSpeak pt voice, and even though my Firefox' (still > 2.0) window titles are correctly spoken, the XFCE menu options aren't. > Also, Orca's screen and messages aren't read. Is there any > configuration I'm missing, or this is known not to work under XFCE? > > We won't be using Firefox right now in this project, so I didn't > bother to install version 3.0 yet, but the menu options and a few GTK > applications (yet to be developed) are expected to work. Does anybody > have any ideas on what I'm doing wrong, or what can I do to make it > work? > > Thanks for your attention, > > -- > Mírian Bruckschen > > > -- > Mírian Bruckschen > From cleo.sl at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 14:01:37 2007 From: cleo.sl at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=EDrian_Bruckschen?=) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:01:37 -0300 Subject: Fwd: Orca on XFCE, using Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" In-Reply-To: <1187007196.5970.225.camel@server> References: <980058450708081639t7f2d4503j927edecc85ae5d72@mail.gmail.com> <980058450708130442l580fda9eh673b0321ea8545c1@mail.gmail.com> <1187007196.5970.225.camel@server> Message-ID: <980058450708130701v3b4200a7n76cb3079ff5a2481@mail.gmail.com> Hello Willie, On 8/13/07, Willie Walker wrote: > Orca is a community project, however, and we encourage others to help us > with testing and using Orca on all sorts of platforms. As you gain > experience with XFCE, it would be great if you could include your notes > off the following page: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall. I followed these instructions to install Orca in my Xubuntu system :) After installing, however, to make it run under XFCE, are there any ideas of where I can start? I would be happy to help in this matter, for sure. I'm a kind of long term XFCE user, but a new GNOME/Orca user. :) Thanks for any suggestions, -- Mírian Bruckschen PS: I only asked for "Orca under XFCE" 'cause I thought Orca relied on GTk, not GNOME only (or mainly GNOME, don't know). But yes, in this project we'll certainly stick to GNOME, due to everybody's suggestions. Thank you very much for your answer! From William.Walker at Sun.COM Mon Aug 13 14:07:04 2007 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:07:04 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Orca on XFCE, using Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" In-Reply-To: <980058450708130701v3b4200a7n76cb3079ff5a2481@mail.gmail.com> References: <980058450708081639t7f2d4503j927edecc85ae5d72@mail.gmail.com> <980058450708130442l580fda9eh673b0321ea8545c1@mail.gmail.com> <1187007196.5970.225.camel@server> <980058450708130701v3b4200a7n76cb3079ff5a2481@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1187014024.4602.11.camel@server> Hi Mírian: Well...I don't know much about about XFCE, such as what version of GNOME it has, whether it supports the AT-SPI infrastructure or not, etc. I think you're doing the right thing by posing this question to a larger audience, and I hope someone more familiar with XFCE can help. Will On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 11:01 -0300, Mírian Bruckschen wrote: > Hello Willie, > > On 8/13/07, Willie Walker wrote: > > Orca is a community project, however, and we encourage others to help us > > with testing and using Orca on all sorts of platforms. As you gain > > experience with XFCE, it would be great if you could include your notes > > off the following page: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall. > > I followed these instructions to install Orca in my Xubuntu system :) > > After installing, however, to make it run under XFCE, are there any > ideas of where I can start? I would be happy to help in this matter, > for sure. I'm a kind of long term XFCE user, but a new GNOME/Orca > user. :) > > Thanks for any suggestions, > From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Mon Aug 13 17:21:41 2007 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:21:41 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Orca on XFCE, using Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" In-Reply-To: <980058450708130701v3b4200a7n76cb3079ff5a2481@mail.gmail.com> References: <980058450708081639t7f2d4503j927edecc85ae5d72@mail.gmail.com> <980058450708130442l580fda9eh673b0321ea8545c1@mail.gmail.com> <1187007196.5970.225.camel@server> <980058450708130701v3b4200a7n76cb3079ff5a2481@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46C09325.1020800@candt.waitrose.com> Mírian Bruckschen wrote: > Hello Willie, > > On 8/13/07, Willie Walker wrote: >> Orca is a community project, however, and we encourage others to >> help us with testing and using Orca on all sorts of platforms. >> As you gain experience with XFCE, it would be great if you could >> include your notes off the following page: >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall. > > I followed these instructions to install Orca in my Xubuntu system > :) > > After installing, however, to make it run under XFCE, are there any > ideas of where I can start? I would be happy to help in this > matter, for sure. I'm a kind of long term XFCE user, but a new > GNOME/Orca user. :) I am not a regular orca user, nor a regular XFCE nor even gnome user(!) however I regularly install the various desktops on various systems such as initially xfce then add the ubuntu-desktop or the other combinations. I then (another story) can choose which session to run at login time, say, XFCE or Gnome. What this flags up to me as a non expert :-) is that something installed in ubuntu is now available to me when I choose to run XFCE, all the 'alien' libraries are now installed of course. It will be obvious to many but initially it was not to me. I hope this is useful. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 From cerha at brailcom.org Tue Aug 14 08:51:29 2007 From: cerha at brailcom.org (Tomas Cerha) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:51:29 +0200 Subject: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher 0.6.4 beta1 and gutsy. In-Reply-To: <20070810103811.GA20755@themuso.com> References: <20070810103811.GA20755@themuso.com> Message-ID: <46C16D11.4030104@brailcom.org> Luke Yelavich wrote: > With the recent announcement of speech-dispatcher 0.6.4 beta1, and the great enhancements it has brought with it, I am wondering whether it is worth getting > this into Gutsy. The biggest enhancement I am thinking is the eSpeak driver, but there are also other nice bug fixes and enhancements that have been made as > well. > I could backport the eSpeak driver, however much has changed between > the version that is now in Debian and Ubuntu, but at the same time, I > don't want to introduce any instability to what is otherwise a great > package. Hi Luke, sorry for a late reply. For the Speech Dispatcher team, I can say that we are nearly to release SD and we are not aware of any major problems that might be introduced by the beta version. I would even recommend using the latest CVS version, since it includes several fixes in the ibmtts output module. Best regards, Tomas From themuso at themuso.com Wed Aug 15 11:43:07 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:43:07 +1000 Subject: [orca-list] Speech-dispatcher 0.6.4 beta1 and gutsy. In-Reply-To: <46C16D11.4030104@brailcom.org> References: <20070810103811.GA20755@themuso.com> <46C16D11.4030104@brailcom.org> Message-ID: <20070815114307.GA28141@marin.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 06:51:29PM EST, Tomas Cerha wrote: > Hi Luke, sorry for a late reply. For the Speech Dispatcher team, I can > say that we are nearly to release SD and we are not aware of any major > problems that might be introduced by the beta version. I would even > recommend using the latest CVS version, since it includes several fixes > in the ibmtts output module. Do you have any idea of when 0.6.4 final will be released? - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGwubLjVefwtBjIM4RAs9lAKDS7tVdHgNHBIfVxtCo775S7eczXQCcD0Ul Vz6Vyu3ka/LTAB7vSyGw5wM= =Yk36 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cleo.sl at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 12:27:26 2007 From: cleo.sl at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=EDrian_Bruckschen?=) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:27:26 -0300 Subject: Fwd: Orca on XFCE, using Xubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" In-Reply-To: <46C09325.1020800@candt.waitrose.com> References: <980058450708081639t7f2d4503j927edecc85ae5d72@mail.gmail.com> <980058450708130442l580fda9eh673b0321ea8545c1@mail.gmail.com> <1187007196.5970.225.camel@server> <980058450708130701v3b4200a7n76cb3079ff5a2481@mail.gmail.com> <46C09325.1020800@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: <980058450708150527ve112326j4aefa37ce4db1cb1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Alan! On 8/13/07, alan c wrote: > Mírian Bruckschen wrote: > > After installing, however, to make it run under XFCE, are there any > > ideas of where I can start? I would be happy to help in this > > matter, for sure. I'm a kind of long term XFCE user, but a new > > GNOME/Orca user. :) > > I am not a regular orca user, nor a regular XFCE nor even gnome > user(!) however I regularly install the various desktops on various > systems such as initially xfce then add the ubuntu-desktop or the > other combinations. I then (another story) can choose which session to > run at login time, say, XFCE or Gnome. What this flags up to me as a > non expert :-) is that something installed in ubuntu is now available > to me when I choose to run XFCE, all the 'alien' libraries are now > installed of course. It will be obvious to many but initially it was > not to me. > > I hope this is useful. Thank you very much for your answer, but the problem seems to be the relationship between Orca and XFCE, not Xubuntu or Edubuntu. :( Cheers, -- Mírian Bruckschen From philbull at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 14:11:26 2007 From: philbull at gmail.com (Phil Bull) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:11:26 +0100 Subject: Accessibility Documentation Message-ID: <1187187086.8247.7.camel@localhost> Hi guys, At the moment, the system documentation doesn't have much information on the accessibility tools which are available in Ubuntu. To try and rectify this, I've prepared a new document for possible inclusion in the gutsy documentation. Could someone please look over the current draft (attached) and offer some feedback? We're planning to add links to existing GNOME documentation on accessibility tools, and this document would probably be linked to as a top-level topic (on the Yelp front page). Thanks for your time, Phil -- Phil Bull http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: accessibility.xml Type: application/docbook+xml Size: 11941 bytes Desc: not available URL: From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Wed Aug 15 14:22:46 2007 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:22:46 +0200 Subject: Accessibility Documentation In-Reply-To: <1187187086.8247.7.camel@localhost> References: <1187187086.8247.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070815142246.GA10408@interface.famille.thibault.fr> Hi, There should probably a section about automatic start of accessibility features. For instance, if a braille display is detected by udev, brltty is automatically started and orca too (or at least I've reported a bug to make that happen :) ) Samuel From philbull at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 15:05:47 2007 From: philbull at gmail.com (Phil Bull) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:05:47 +0100 Subject: Accessibility Documentation In-Reply-To: <20070815142246.GA10408@interface.famille.thibault.fr> References: <1187187086.8247.7.camel@localhost> <20070815142246.GA10408@interface.famille.thibault.fr> Message-ID: <1187190347.8247.14.camel@localhost> Hi Samuel, On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 16:22 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > There should probably a section about automatic start of accessibility > features. For instance, if a braille display is detected by udev, brltty > is automatically started and orca too (or at least I've reported a bug > to make that happen :) ) I don't have a braille display, so I can't check exactly what happens when one is plugged in unfortunately. Is it as simple as 'If a braille display is plugged in, brltty and Orca will be started automatically'? Also, does the same happen in other circumstances? Thanks, Phil -- Phil Bull http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Wed Aug 15 15:12:18 2007 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:12:18 +0200 Subject: Accessibility Documentation In-Reply-To: <1187190347.8247.14.camel@localhost> References: <1187187086.8247.7.camel@localhost> <20070815142246.GA10408@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <1187190347.8247.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070815151218.GB10408@interface.famille.thibault.fr> Hi, Phil Bull, le Wed 15 Aug 2007 16:05:47 +0100, a écrit : > On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 16:22 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > There should probably a section about automatic start of accessibility > > features. For instance, if a braille display is detected by udev, brltty > > is automatically started and orca too (or at least I've reported a bug > > to make that happen :) ) > > I don't have a braille display, so I can't check exactly what happens > when one is plugged in unfortunately. Is it as simple as 'If a braille > display is plugged in, brltty and Orca will be started automatically'? > Also, does the same happen in other circumstances? It's not so simple, because when booting from the liveCD, you can ask for accessibility features enabled ; some braille devices are announced just serial converters so that brltty shouldn't be ran automatically in that case, etc. I just mean that there somehow should be such section in the documentation, so that people who know such stuff can contribute. Samuel From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Wed Aug 15 19:00:45 2007 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:00:45 +0100 Subject: touch screen experience please? Message-ID: <46C34D5D.9080603@candt.waitrose.com> I am being asked to comment on procurement of a touch screen - an external one which fits over the front of the display. A desktop compatible model is shown with no mention of how it connects. A laptop version is also shown with a comment that it is USB. Does anyone know if the technology is very likely to be easily compatible with USB as available in Ubuntu? Or are the various patents likely to force particular software drivers? The site I am looking at (for uk) is http://www.techready.co.uk/Assistive-Technology/Touch-Screens tia -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 From philbull at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 20:19:15 2007 From: philbull at gmail.com (Phil Bull) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:19:15 +0100 Subject: Accessibility Documentation In-Reply-To: <20070815151218.GB10408@interface.famille.thibault.fr> References: <1187187086.8247.7.camel@localhost> <20070815142246.GA10408@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <1187190347.8247.14.camel@localhost> <20070815151218.GB10408@interface.famille.thibault.fr> Message-ID: <1187209155.8356.13.camel@localhost> Hi Samuel, On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 17:12 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > It's not so simple, because when booting from the liveCD, you can ask > for accessibility features enabled ; some braille devices are announced > just serial converters so that brltty shouldn't be ran automatically in > that case, etc. > > I just mean that there somehow should be such section in the > documentation, so that people who know such stuff can contribute. The document I attached will probably be uploaded to SVN soon, so contributors will be able to send patches in to the Doc Team mailing list. Alternatively, we're happy to accept plain-text documentation, which we can convert to DocBook. However, we're approaching string freeze in a few weeks so don't have much time. Because of the proximity to the freeze, I don't want to create a 'stub section' in case I forget about it and it's left blank. However, if someone is able to send in documentation for that section, it would be easy enough to create it when we upload the patch. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Bull http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull From cleo.sl at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 02:55:48 2007 From: cleo.sl at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=EDrian_Bruckschen?=) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:55:48 -0300 Subject: Orca on GNOME, using Ubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" Message-ID: <980058450708151955h61e386aaj3672aea295d07edd@mail.gmail.com> Hi all (again :)), I'm now running GNOME under Ubuntu (7.04), and Orca latest SVN version (Orca 2.21.0pre). Or trying to. I'm probably missing something, since my Orca refuses to speak (unless in the GUI Preferences window of Orca itself, and, even so, it's only when it's starting or I press one of the buttons; the options are not read when I pass by them using keyboard or mouse). Looking at the GUI Prefs window, everything seems to be OK, in terms of configuration: speech enabled, speech system (GNOME...), speech synthetizer (eSpeak), voice config (default), character (brazil (pt))... What I am missing? Thanks for any ideas, -- Mírian Bruckschen From William.Walker at Sun.COM Thu Aug 16 17:25:17 2007 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:25:17 -0400 Subject: Orca on GNOME, using Ubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" In-Reply-To: <980058450708151955h61e386aaj3672aea295d07edd@mail.gmail.com> References: <980058450708151955h61e386aaj3672aea295d07edd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1187285117.4597.211.camel@server> It sounds like the AT-SPI registry crashed and/or accessibility was enabled late in the session. Have you tried logging out and logging back in? Will On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 23:55 -0300, Mírian Bruckschen wrote: > Hi all (again :)), > > I'm now running GNOME under Ubuntu (7.04), and Orca latest SVN version > (Orca 2.21.0pre). Or trying to. I'm probably missing something, since > my Orca refuses to speak (unless in the GUI Preferences window of Orca > itself, and, even so, it's only when it's starting or I press one of > the buttons; the options are not read when I pass by them using > keyboard or mouse). > > Looking at the GUI Prefs window, everything seems to be OK, in terms > of configuration: speech enabled, speech system (GNOME...), speech > synthetizer (eSpeak), voice config (default), character (brazil > (pt))... What I am missing? > > Thanks for any ideas, > > -- > Mírian Bruckschen > From cleo.sl at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 03:04:15 2007 From: cleo.sl at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=EDrian_Bruckschen?=) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:04:15 -0300 Subject: Orca on GNOME, using Ubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" In-Reply-To: <1187285117.4597.211.camel@server> References: <980058450708151955h61e386aaj3672aea295d07edd@mail.gmail.com> <1187285117.4597.211.camel@server> Message-ID: <980058450708162004g7f577188nc082a52f8bb10861@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody! Thanks for your emails, it was indeed solved when I logged out and in again :) Thank you very much for your attention! On 8/16/07, Willie Walker wrote: > It sounds like the AT-SPI registry crashed and/or accessibility was > enabled late in the session. Have you tried logging out and logging > back in? ... -- Mírian Bruckschen From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Aug 19 18:48:43 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:48:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: live cd Message-ID: <0JN100B91AX68X7F@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I have some time today and was thinking about downloading the live CD ant trying it out. Does anyone know if the code to make orca work has been added yet, or if I should wait until after tribe 5 next week. Thanks Mike. From themuso at themuso.com Sun Aug 19 21:01:02 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:01:02 +1000 Subject: live cd In-Reply-To: <0JN100B91AX68X7F@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JN100B91AX68X7F@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070819210102.GA6918@marin.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 04:48:43AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I have some time today and was thinking about downloading the live CD ant trying it out. > Does anyone know if the code to make orca work has been added yet, Unfortunately, I am still waiting for the code to be added. I'll let the list know when it has been done. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGyK+OjVefwtBjIM4RAnmJAKCeQ+XlTazTYjV8y5jokE8Sdzn+nACfeU7v Eywave/vGLo3PvLuNxj0Z6g= =VGMP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkenn337 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 12:20:33 2007 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:20:33 -0400 Subject: games under linux ubuntu Message-ID: <000901c7e3ed$ace98d50$6401a8c0@compuser94> Hi, Does wine windows emulator work good for playing accessible games such as jim kitchen's self-voiceing sapi5 tts games? or are we just limited to text adventures on linux so far? Josh email: jkenn337 at gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku at hotmail.com AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Aug 21 23:14:57 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:14:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: live cd acting strange Message-ID: <0JN500GLQCKV1ZG0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I know the problem with orca has not been fixed yet, but I downloaded the latest live CD for a friend and found the following. When I tried to boot from it. It got a little ways into the process and then I heard it try to access my floppy. This happened several times, so I put a disk in the drive. Once it saw it, the system booted fine. Has anyone else run across this problem. Apparently it wanted to mount that drive before continuing. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000767-3, 08/21/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Mike. From jkenn337 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 23:49:18 2007 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:49:18 -0400 Subject: live cd acting strange References: <0JN500GLQCKV1ZG0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000701c7e44d$e5a3cb00$6401a8c0@compuser94> Hi, What is this problem with orca? Josh email: jkenn337 at gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku at hotmail.com AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coulombe" To: "ubuntu" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: live cd acting strange > Hi, I know the problem with orca has not been fixed yet, but I downloaded > the latest live CD for a friend and found the following. > When I tried to boot from it. It got a little ways into the process and > then I heard it try to access my floppy. > This happened several times, so I put a disk in the drive. Once it saw it, > the system booted fine. Has anyone else run across this problem. > Apparently it wanted to mount that drive before continuing. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000767-3, 08/21/2007), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From herzog at frontiernet.net Wed Aug 22 03:02:03 2007 From: herzog at frontiernet.net (Herzog) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:02:03 -0400 Subject: Thanks, SUCCESS FINALLY! Message-ID: <46CBA72B.9060108@frontiernet.net> NOTE THE FOLLOWING!!!!!! YES, MY NEW MACHINE HAS UBUNTU 7.04 The feisty Fawn, AND IT HAS SPEECH ORCA!! It is an April 2007 release of Ubuntu. From the site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility?action=show&redirect=Accessibility%2Fdoc%2FGuide The most common accessibility tools such as Orca and onBoard are preinstalled on any standard Ubuntu system and are easy to activate. The screen reader, magnifier and on-screen keyboard are all activated using the Gnome Assistive Technology Preferences panel, Found in the System Menu under Preferences. Resources [WWW] Ubuntu Accessibility Page ==================================================================== David Snyderman wrote: I've got Ubuntu running on my home machine-- it's basically a white box that I purchased from Microworx. But I agree-- I'm thinking about buying a new machine and at this point, I'm focusing on Dell because they have the right combination of price and trustworthiness. I have a 64 bit AMD on my Microworx machine but have never been able to install 64 bit Ubuntu-- I'm running (and have since dapper) 32 bit. I'm hoping that by buying from Dell, you're guaranteed that *everything* will work. Thanks! David David M. Snyderman davesnyd at yahoo.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidsnyderman skype: davesnyd ---- Original Message ---- From: Herzog To: davesnyd at yahoo.com Cc: Paul Tomblin Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:22:33 AM ............. The site for Ubuntu Guide is great. I just ordered a Dell Laptop with Ubuntu, so will need it I'm sure; especially as I hope to get emac speech on it! I gave up trying to get Ubuntu Linux on my computers, so will devote the new one solely to it.Will ============================= To: lugor-discuss at list.xcski.com Message-ID: <51046.69507.qm at web30613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:04:31 -0400 From: "Joshua Fagan" Subject: Re: [Lugor-discuss] beware automatix Good point. On 8/6/07, Paul Tomblin wrote: Quoting Joshua Fagan (joshua.fagan at gmail.com): > > Automatix to many friends who are new to Linux. Maybe now I will just spend 15 minutes showing them how to apt get, lol. > Show them how to use "aptitude". Very friendly compared to apt-get. I feel silly, because I just discovered the unofficial Ubuntu guide. But I'm not sure it has been discussed here, so if anyone else is unaware of its existence, here's what it has to say about Codecs: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Multimedia_Codecs_.26_Browser_Plug-ins Maybe not as *easy* as Automatix but I think it covers most or all of the bases. Thanks! David From jkenn337 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 18:34:47 2007 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:34:47 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: <002b01c7e4eb$1ef15b50$6401a8c0@compuser94> Hi, Are my messages coming through? Josh email: jkenn337 at gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku at hotmail.com AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 From jkenn337 at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 18:48:19 2007 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:48:19 -0400 Subject: KDE desktop accessibility Message-ID: <003b01c7e4ed$03b95c50$6401a8c0@compuser94> Hi, Is there a screen reader that works good with kubuntu and the KDE desktop? Josh email: jkenn337 at gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku at hotmail.com AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 From jriddell at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 22 18:59:32 2007 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:59:32 +0100 Subject: [ubuntu-accessibility] KDE desktop accessibility In-Reply-To: <003b01c7e4ed$03b95c50$6401a8c0@compuser94> References: <003b01c7e4ed$03b95c50$6401a8c0@compuser94> Message-ID: <20070822185932.GG31474@muse.19inch.net> On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 02:48:19PM -0400, Josh wrote: > Is there a screen reader that works good with kubuntu and the KDE desktop? Not really. kttsd can be used to read text from documents if the application has a plugin (Konqueror does). Otherwise one needs to be written. One would need to be written using the qdbusbridge which is packaged at http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/ (you need to export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1), qdasher seems to work a bit so the framework is all there. http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Accessibility/QDasher Jonathan From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 00:00:46 2007 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:00:46 -0700 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <002b01c7e4eb$1ef15b50$6401a8c0@compuser94> References: <002b01c7e4eb$1ef15b50$6401a8c0@compuser94> Message-ID: <46CCCE2E.8090007@gmail.com> Josh wrote: > Hi, > > Are my messages coming through? > > Josh > > email: jkenn337 at gmail.com > msn: kenn6498ku at hotmail.com > AOL: kutztownstudent > skype: jkenn337 > > > I got your message via my e-mail client, so it seems all is well. From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Aug 23 01:10:08 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:10:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: just a idea Message-ID: <0JN700JKKCKVQMW1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, seeing that you have to run orca with no setup from the terminal to install ubuntu. I wondered if a script or small program could be written to get a person started. For example maybe the command could be to type blindinstall from a terminal. Then orca would be loaded with no setup, and ubiquity started. This was just a idea. I am not a programmer, and don't know what would be involved to do this. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Aug 23 01:17:47 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:17:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: JUST A THOUGHT ON A IDEA Message-ID: <0JN7005VGCXMSX11@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> hi, actually maybe the command could even be on the desktop of the live CD, and run the terminal along with the sudo su command. That way a person new to linux wouldn't even have to use the terminal to install. There could be the install, and blindinstall icon on the desktop. Just a thought. If this could be done, ubiquity wouldn't have to be modified for us. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000767-4, 08/22/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Mike. From glen.m.darby at virgin.net Thu Aug 23 18:31:57 2007 From: glen.m.darby at virgin.net (Glen Darby) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:31:57 +0100 Subject: Accessibility for Disabled using a Switch. Message-ID: <1187893917.29160.9.camel@ubuntumain> Hi, I'm totaly new to this forum / list and was wondering if anyone could help me through a project I am aiming at. Any help in the way of pointers would be a great start. I am attempting to produce some software that will do the same or similar job as ez-key does on a windows os. It interacts with programmes on the os via a switch which is the only means of interaction that this disabled chap can use. In effect it allows him access via x and y co-ordinates managed by clicking or holding the switch untill the x co-ordinate is accessed, then doing similar for the y co-ordinate to be accessed. Once in the correct place a visual onscreen keyboard can be accessed for entering data either into form fields or onto notepad / word or the like. I have a little programming background but only in Perl/CGI, php javascript. Thanks for any help. Kind Regards. Glen. From francesco.fumanti at gmx.net Thu Aug 23 18:44:18 2007 From: francesco.fumanti at gmx.net (Francesco Fumanti) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:44:18 +0200 Subject: Accessibility for Disabled using a Switch. In-Reply-To: <1187893917.29160.9.camel@ubuntumain> References: <1187893917.29160.9.camel@ubuntumain> Message-ID: Hello Glen, I don't know ez-keys from windows, but have you already looked at gok (gnome onscreen keyboard) that is shipped with ubuntu. It is an onscreen keyboard with scanning that is also able to fetch the interface of applications. It can be controlled via switches... It might be at least a starting point for your friend. Francesco At 7:31 PM +0100 8/23/07, Glen Darby wrote: >Hi, > >I'm totaly new to this forum / list and was wondering if anyone could >help me through a project I am aiming at. > >Any help in the way of pointers would be a great start. >I am attempting to produce some software that will do the same or >similar job as ez-key does on a windows os. > >It interacts with programmes on the os via a switch which is the only >means of interaction that this disabled chap can use. > >In effect it allows him access via x and y co-ordinates managed by >clicking or holding the switch untill the x co-ordinate is accessed, >then doing similar for the y co-ordinate to be accessed. Once in the >correct place a visual onscreen keyboard can be accessed for entering >data either into form fields or onto notepad / word or the like. > >I have a little programming background but only in Perl/CGI, php >javascript. > >Thanks for any help. > >Kind Regards. >Glen. > > >-- >Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kenny at hittsjunk.net Thu Aug 23 20:40:37 2007 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:40:37 -0500 Subject: Accessibility for Disabled using a Switch. In-Reply-To: <1187893917.29160.9.camel@ubuntumain> References: <1187893917.29160.9.camel@ubuntumain> Message-ID: <20070823204037.GI5289@hittsjunk.net> Hi. Have you looked at dasher? It might be what you want. Kenny From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Aug 25 18:54:01 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: live cd Message-ID: <0JNC003T0F5YOLE0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, any news yet on when the live CD will be fixed so orca will work. I have people who want to try it, but don't want to waste my time downloading it until orca works. I can't use the mouse, so need speech to use the desktop and wxplain it to them. If it is going to still be a while, let me know, and I will see about having someone install ubuntu on a old computer so I can show it that way. I did get orca to work with speech dispatcher when tribe 2 came out. So I guess I can do that again. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000768-3, 08/25/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Aug 25 18:58:53 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:58:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: whats new Message-ID: <0JNC001W0FE4OW05@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> One other question. Have any new axcessable features or programs been added to the live cd since tribe two. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000768-3, 08/25/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From jkenn337 at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 19:49:51 2007 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:49:51 -0400 Subject: whats new References: <0JNC001W0FE4OW05@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000301c7e751$1ab36480$6502a8c0@compuser94> Hi, I can't get ubuntu 7.4 feisty to boot using the live cd. I have an nvidia video card, logitech USB headphones, pentium processor 512mb of ram and sound blaster live sound card. it runs on my wife's computer with a celleron processor, intel video card, on-board sound using soundmax digital. we also have USB keyboards, and linksys wifi adapters that are USB. but it won't run on my computer. Josh email: jkenn337 at gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku at hotmail.com AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coulombe" To: "ubuntu" Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: whats new > One other question. Have any new axcessable features or programs been > added to the live cd since tribe two. > Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000768-3, 08/25/2007), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From jkenn337 at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 19:51:41 2007 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:51:41 -0400 Subject: booting from live cd References: <0JNC001W0FE4OW05@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000e01c7e751$5c6f1720$6502a8c0@compuser94> Hi, Is there a way to bypass my nvidia video card so linux will boot? I think that it may be the cause of my problems. Josh email: jkenn337 at gmail.com msn: kenn6498ku at hotmail.com AOL: kutztownstudent skype: jkenn337 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coulombe" To: "ubuntu" Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: whats new > One other question. Have any new axcessable features or programs been > added to the live cd since tribe two. > Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000768-3, 08/25/2007), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Aug 25 19:53:18 2007 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:53:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: live cd In-Reply-To: <0JNC003T0F5YOLE0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JNC003T0F5YOLE0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: The accessibility select control needs to be changed from a single select radiobutton to a multiselect radiobutton to accommodate installers who use speech and cannot use the mouse. As of now, it's an either/or and it needs to get to an and situation when necessary. From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Aug 25 20:03:54 2007 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:03:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: booting from live cd In-Reply-To: <000e01c7e751$5c6f1720$6502a8c0@compuser94> References: <0JNC001W0FE4OW05@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <000e01c7e751$5c6f1720$6502a8c0@compuser94> Message-ID: In some flabors of Linux a boot parameter exists that tells the booting Linux not to do hardware probing. That may be what you need to use. From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Aug 27 18:42:43 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:42:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca Message-ID: <0JNG0024D3Z78JW3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I see there is a way to get orca to say words differently than they are spelled. How does this work. I found add entry, but only find one place to type in a word. Where do you type the way you want the word pronounced. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Aug 28 15:46:21 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:46:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: dosemu with orca. Message-ID: <0JNH007RNQH8GBK5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I notice dosemu no longer works with orca. It did in feisty. Is there any other dosemu anyone knows of that will work with orca. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000769-1, 08/28/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From themuso at themuso.com Fri Aug 31 13:29:44 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:29:44 +1000 Subject: Current state of accessibility for the Ubuntu Gutsy Live CD. Message-ID: <20070831132944.GA5657@themuso.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I would firstly like to announce that necessary changes to allow accessibility on the live CD to function, have finally made it in. You should be able to test these changes, as from today, 31 August, from approximately 19:00 UTC. Apologies that it has taken so long, but better now, than a month down the track. However, we still have issues that need addressing, particularly, speech. Currently, the CD contains espeak 1.26, using PortAudio 19. I intend to update espeak to 1.29 in the next several days, however PortAudio 19 is causing us some issues, particularly relating to lockups and crashes with Orca. I would much appreciate it if people would test, and give feedback as to whether things work for them. I'll let you all know when espeak 1.29 is in, so we can then start doing more testing. The real issue lies in that PortAudio 18 has now been moved to Universe. If it was absolutely necessary, we could possibly bring that back onto the CD for eSpeak, should we run into a dead end, but this will be more work, due to having to reintroduce what is essentially an older version of PortAudio back into the main repository. I am CCing the main development discussion list, ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com, to attempt to get wider testing of the issue with eSpeak and PortAudio19. We as users have been longing for the ability to use speech while we play other sound, so lets try and debug these problems now, and have a working solution for Gutsy. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG2BfIjVefwtBjIM4RAgT6AJ9J6GApl0Et35E7XeKqUsjliNbZIwCglOv1 s1nqzlxDVAV4xMFbXgbB/4k= =Gscj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Aug 31 18:25:01 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:25:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: live cd and orca Message-ID: <0JNN00A6AHTNCX7G@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, glad to hear about the live CD. I have one question. I installed the live CD on a computer a few days ago. Orca works in my account with speech dispatcher. However I had tried to use the gnome speech driver in the root account, and it didn't work. Will the fix you added correct this problem as well. Or do I have to reinstall the system. Mike.