From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 13:09:15 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: will orca be updated Message-ID: <0JQT003CZWJEEI21@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, just wondered if there will be any orca updates as backboards for the latest version of ubuntu. It seems to me this was done in the past. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071031-1, 10/31/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Nov 5 00:00:27 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:00:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: a question about the live cd Message-ID: <0JR00096KAOQOXA7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I noticed today there is a file on the live CD that says it is a windows installer for ubuntu. My question is, does this reboot the computer to the CD? Or does it reboot into windows and install ubuntu from there. If it reboots into windows I would think we could use our windows screen reader to install ubuntu. I wanted to ask before giving it a try. Mike. From themuso at themuso.com Mon Nov 5 01:15:47 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:15:47 +1100 Subject: a question about the live cd In-Reply-To: <0JR00096KAOQOXA7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JR00096KAOQOXA7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20071105011547.GB29972@marlon> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:00:27AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I noticed today there is a file on the live CD that says it is a windows installer for ubuntu. > My question is, does this reboot the computer to the CD? Or does it reboot into windows and install ubuntu from there. it doesn't reboot into anything. Its an installer that allows you to start installing Ubuntu from Windows, and then reboots into ubuntu to complete the process. Note that using this method doesn't do anything to your partitions, but creates a file on your windows parttion for Linux to be installed into. at this point, I am not aware of how accessible it is, but I certainly hope we can get it as accessible as possible for the Hardy release. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHLm7DjVefwtBjIM4RAhkUAKCA9AB8qsIfdUudw0uTEXCl0QpzXgCfQcZv fWxM1lJ2pLv/1bGnNT2Lzn0= =XTE5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Nov 5 14:08:50 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:08:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: will orca run under kde. Message-ID: <0JR100JQFDYPOX61@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I heard kde 4 is suppose to be axcessable. My question is will orca now run under kde? It has been over a year since I looked in to this. So some improvement should have been made by now. Mike. From kenny at hittsjunk.net Mon Nov 5 14:47:24 2007 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:47:24 -0600 Subject: will orca run under kde. In-Reply-To: <0JR100JQFDYPOX61@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JR100JQFDYPOX61@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20071105144723.GA4501@hittsjunk.net> Hi. No, it will not at this time. For what ever reason, KDE decided to use a different method for access than at-spi. Because of this, Orca won't work with KDE. Kenny On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 08:08:50AM -0600, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I heard kde 4 is suppose to be axcessable. My question is will orca now run under kde? It has been over a year since I looked in to this. So some improvement should have been made by now. > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From me at saurocesaretti.com Tue Nov 6 14:21:19 2007 From: me at saurocesaretti.com (Sauro Cesaretti) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:21:19 +0100 Subject: problem installing brltty 3.9 in ubuntu gutsy Message-ID: <000d01c82080$4ccc0180$2101a8c0@sauro> Hello everyone, I tried to compile and install brltty 3.9 the newer version available in the official web site. It works when I compile and install the daemon. but when I tried to start it and checked the version, I noticed that I still have the old version 3.7.2. do you know the reason? Have you ever tried to do that? Should I maybe fix some different paths during the installation? Thank you in adance with regards, Sauro From themuso at themuso.com Tue Nov 6 20:20:41 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:20:41 +1100 Subject: problem installing brltty 3.9 in ubuntu gutsy In-Reply-To: <000d01c82080$4ccc0180$2101a8c0@sauro> References: <000d01c82080$4ccc0180$2101a8c0@sauro> Message-ID: <20071106202041.GA7926@marlon> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 01:21:19AM EST, Sauro Cesaretti wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I tried to compile and install brltty 3.9 the newer version available in the > official web site. > It works when I compile and install the daemon. > but when I tried to start it and checked the version, I noticed that I still > have the old version 3.7.2. > do you know the reason? Its more than likely that you still have the brltty 3.7.2 packages from gutsy installed. You will need to remove these before attempting to use your locally built copy of BrlTTY. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHMMyZjVefwtBjIM4RAsvJAKDxXrgAGgt8gWm3EheLmJa0stws7QCgrw7H jdiNdAY5MqRmW/9ZWnAjhgo= =ZvPb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christian08 at runbox.com Thu Nov 8 15:29:00 2007 From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:29:00 +0100 Subject: No sound in Ubuntu 7.10 Message-ID: <200711081629000656.00063F0F@127.0.0.1> Hi all, I decided to download the live CD and install Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy. In previous builds of 7.10 my soundcard was working fine, but not in this final release. I have no sound. Has anyone else experienced something simular? Any help would be very apreciated, many thanks! From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Nov 9 21:23:32 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:23:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: say all question Message-ID: <0JR900JAZCR7SDX0@vms169133.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, what is the correct command for say all. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071031-1, 10/31/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From metalhead1009000 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 22:03:45 2007 From: metalhead1009000 at gmail.com (Mike Reiser) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:03:45 -0600 Subject: say all question In-Reply-To: <0JR900JAZCR7SDX0@vms169133.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JR900JAZCR7SDX0@vms169133.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4734D941.2020605@gmail.com> mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, what is the correct command for say all. > Thanks Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071031-1, 10/31/2007), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > Insirt and numpad pluss. From aridamoulakis at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 16:02:51 2007 From: aridamoulakis at gmail.com (ari) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:02:51 +0200 Subject: Getting started with Ubuntu, Orca and Linux Message-ID: <013901c82545$7d2f4480$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> Hi all, I am totally blind, so the questions in this post, I'm hoping to be able to do everything myself, like getting everything up and running. A while ago, I was interested in getting started with Ubuntu, but Orca was still not really usable. My situation is that, first, I am not a computer pro, I use my computer for everyday tasks, I do like messing around with it, but I'm more an average sort of person, I don't, for example, have hardly any experience of doing stuff like using command lines, modifying configuration files, etc, I've just been brought up on Windows. I'd like to use Orca with a laptop, is it now easily possible? How usable is Orca now with Openoffice, Firefox, and email? Can I use Orca comfortably for doing most everyday things? By using Orca and Linux, I'll later get used to the whole text-based environment. The most important questions, first, I'd like to try the live CD, where do I get the latest version, plus a getting started guide? Also, if I order the normal Ubuntu CD's, will Orca be on there and easy to set up? Would you recommend that I still wait a bit more before trying it out, or is it generally much better now? Thanks Ari From j.orcauser at googlemail.com Mon Nov 12 17:54:14 2007 From: j.orcauser at googlemail.com (Jon) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:54:14 +0000 Subject: Getting started with Ubuntu, Orca and Linux In-Reply-To: <013901c82545$7d2f4480$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> References: <013901c82545$7d2f4480$0600000a@youra96ff3c4a6> Message-ID: <20071112175414.GA3220@hex> Hi Ari, hope to answer some of your questions: Yes orca does come atomatically on the orca cd. The live cd can also be used to install ubuntu on your laptop. To do it on your own is a bit complicated, but if you can find some sighted assistance it makes it far easier. In terms of orca usability, its great, and every release it makes a vast improvement. I can manage to get around most of the things i need doing, except internet browsing (which i think is a very big thing). Unfortunately the interaction between orca and firefox is a bit lacking, and it will be the thing that will cause you headakes. I keep a windows machine (or dual boot with xp) to do my web-browsing needs. Navigating in firefox with orca (looks reasonable from afar) but when you get to use it its quite unintuitive, especially if you are use to the windows screenreaders. Saying this, the firefox on the cd isn't the one that orca works with, so it might be dificult to get a feel of it without installing ubuntu. I sincerely wish that work on orca should consentrate on getting more functional internet browsing, because thats the only show-stopper for us blind people, or alternatively write up a test case of how it should be used, so that people know exactly how to use it, rather than experimenting, with variating results. I definately would encourage you to install it though, its definately worth playing around with. Try Ubuntu 7.10, has a good version of orca and should have least issues with hardware. Also you are welcome to join the orca mailing list, to post to the list: orca-list at gnome.org orca website: http://live.gnome.org/Orca Hope to see you there. -Jon On Mon 12/11/2007 at 18:02:51, ari wrote: > Hi all, > I am totally blind, so the questions in this post, I'm hoping to be able to > do everything myself, like getting everything up and running. A while ago, I > was interested in getting started with Ubuntu, but Orca was still not really > usable. My situation is that, first, I am not a computer pro, I use my > computer for everyday tasks, I do like messing around with it, but I'm more > an average sort of person, I don't, for example, have hardly any experience > of doing stuff like using command lines, modifying configuration files, etc, > I've just been brought up on Windows. I'd like to use Orca with a laptop, is > it now easily possible? How usable is Orca now with Openoffice, Firefox, and > email? Can I use Orca comfortably for doing most everyday things? By using > Orca and Linux, I'll later get used to the whole text-based environment. The > most important questions, first, I'd like to try the live CD, where do I get > the latest version, plus a getting started guide? Also, if I order the > normal Ubuntu CD's, will Orca be on there and easy to set up? Would you > recommend that I still wait a bit more before trying it out, or is it > generally much better now? > Thanks > Ari > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From herzog at frontiernet.net Tue Nov 20 04:36:19 2007 From: herzog at frontiernet.net (Herzog) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:36:19 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: TUTOR simple? Message-ID: <47426443.3060204@frontiernet.net> I sure wish someone would point out where there is a similar help-short-form-info like this for Ubuntu's ORCA! ??? Will ================== -------- Original Message -- Linux for blind general discussion Geoff's advice is absolutely on the mark. Lynx with Speakup continues to be a powerful, and very accessible browser. However, you do need to learn Speakup's screen review commands to use lynx effectively, because it doesn't work the way Windows screen readers made Internet Explorer work. My advice is to start lynx with two key command line options--then make these your defaults in the Options menu (accessed with by o) so you don't have to issue this long command every time: lynx -show_cursor -number_fields This will cause the system cursor to track your focus on hyperlinks, which is where you go with up and down arrow, or with TAB and Alt+TAB. Yes, that's correct, Alt+TAB, and not Shift+TAB, which has always been the Unix default. The Lynx for users who are blind document for which you were asking a URI is at: http://leb.net/blinux/blynx/ You can also access it on the help screen of Lynx, accessible by ?, but this wouldn't help you if you don't yet understand how to read documents in lynx. Janina Geoff Shang writes: > Hi, > > To read the output of Lynx or pretty much any other application in the > console, you're going to need to use Speakup's screen review keys. > > By default, you can use the numpad 7 and 9 keys to read the previous and > next line respectively, and 8 to read the current line. The same logic > applies to 4 5 and 6 (words) and 1 2 and 3 (characters). You can use > numpad-insert plus numpad 9 (page up) to go to the top of the screen, and > numpad-insert plus numpad-2 (down arrow) to read from the current curso > position to the bottom of the screen. > > To check out what all the speakup keys do, press keypad-insert plus F1 when > in Speakup and either up and down arrow through the list or try pressing > keys to see what they do. Press Space to leave keyboard help. > > In lynx, you can use page-down or Space to go to the next screen, and > page-up or b to go back a page. As posted already, insert and delete move > the screen display up and down one line (something I previously didn't > know). Home and End go to the first and last screen of a document, as do > control-A and control-E respectively. Up and Down arrows move you to the > next and previous page element (or next and previous line in a multi-line > edit field), and right arrow follows a link and left goes back unless > you're in any kind of edit field. > > To get a full and hopefully up to date list of keystrokes in lynx, press > "k" when in lynx. > > Note that unless you use a blinux lynx config (wich I did see somewhere but > don't know where), lynx will not automatically make the cursor track where > you are in a document. You need to turn on "show cursor" in the options > screen which is not exactly straight-forward, or by setting > > show_cursor=on > > in your .lynxrc config file. > > Hope this helps you get started. > > Geoff. > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list From yellow.penguin at edpnet.be Wed Nov 21 19:55:15 2007 From: yellow.penguin at edpnet.be (Y P) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:55:15 +0100 Subject: TR: big problem with BrlTty under Gutsy Message-ID: <20071121195515.GA3740@starfish> Hi, I have Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon pre-installed on my new Asus laptop. Ubuntu starts-up correctly but I encountered a BIG annoying problem with my Alva Satellite 544: the display is recognized but I doesn't like the us table and I wasn't able to find the efficient method to prevent hal to redetect the Alva or to override my /etc/brltty.conf: even if I mv /etc/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules or block /lib/brltty/brltty.sh or provide the same text-table de to both /etc/brltty.conf + /etc/brltty.conf.orig, it *still* continues to start with us table and to override /etc/brltty.conf Please it would be very nice to resolve this very big bug and publish asap a new brltty package update: I'm becoming crazy! If someone can tell me step by step what to do (since my English is not famous) I will try to do that, but please resolve the problem, it's awful and I can't help other peoplee as long as I can't help resolving my own problem. ThnX Y P From j.orcauser at googlemail.com Wed Nov 21 21:32:57 2007 From: j.orcauser at googlemail.com (Jon) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:32:57 +0000 Subject: TR: big problem with BrlTty under Gutsy In-Reply-To: <20071121195515.GA3740@starfish> References: <20071121195515.GA3740@starfish> Message-ID: <20071121213257.GA2404@ml2> Hi, The answer you are looking for is on the orca braille wikipage. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Braille its under the heading: "/etc/brltty.conf is overwritten" Hope that the solution presented works for you. but you are right, it should be resolved by package maintainers. -Jon On Wed 21/11/2007 at 20:55:15, Y P wrote: > Hi, > > I have Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon pre-installed on my new Asus laptop. > > Ubuntu starts-up correctly but I encountered a BIG annoying problem with > my Alva Satellite 544: > the display is recognized but I doesn't like the us table and I wasn't > able to find the efficient method to prevent hal to redetect the Alva or to > override my /etc/brltty.conf: > > even if I mv /etc/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules > or block /lib/brltty/brltty.sh > or provide the same text-table de to both /etc/brltty.conf + > /etc/brltty.conf.orig, it *still* continues to start with us table and > to override /etc/brltty.conf > > Please it would be very nice to resolve this very big bug and publish > asap a new brltty package update: I'm becoming crazy! > > If someone can tell me step by step what to do (since my English is not > famous) I will try to do that, but please resolve the problem, > it's awful and I can't help other peoplee as long as I can't help resolving > my own problem. > > ThnX > > Y P > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From christian08 at runbox.com Thu Nov 22 16:42:28 2007 From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:42:28 +0100 Subject: Installing Ubuntu Message-ID: <200711221742280421.003CDE85@127.0.0.1> Hi all, Since I am having problems with my soundcard and latest Ubuntu Guttsy, is it possible to install it with BRLTTY running? Many thanks, Christian From softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com Thu Nov 22 21:43:50 2007 From: softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com (Ian Pascoe) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:43:50 -0000 Subject: Orca Preferences won't launch In-Reply-To: <47426443.3060204@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Hi All Ever since upgrading to Gutsy I haven't been able to launch the Orca preferences using + Space Bar. When I do this I get the message "Orca Preferences launching - this may take some time" and the speech disappears, although the screen magnification remains running. I have tried launching this from initial login, with focus on the menus and when in a terminal but to no avail. During the upgrade process, I also lost all my setings for Orca which is why I want to get at the preferences dialogue box. I have just tried it again with no success and when quitting the Gnome desktop using Ctrol + Shift + Backspace, it now sends me into restart and not back to the login. Can anyone suggest anything I can do to get things working again? If not, I'll wipe the installation and start afresh. To an aside., I think the problems arose because during the upgrade a dialogue appeared that asked if I wanted to remove old docs and folders, or some such, and I replied yes to this; I'm fairly sure that when upgrading to Fiesty from Edgey I said no at this point last time .... Cheers Ian From irlawrence at googlemail.com Fri Nov 23 15:36:19 2007 From: irlawrence at googlemail.com (Ian Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:36:19 -0400 Subject: enabling accessibility without gdm Message-ID: Hi I am working on the Ubuntu Mobile Edition project which uses Hildon Desktop http://live.gnome.org/Hildon Currently there is no concept of users on the UME system so we have no gdm. We start the UI (on a normal workstation) using a script called ume-xephyr-start I tried putting echo "enabling accessibility" export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge export GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1 gconftool-2 --set --type bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd & inside ume-xephyr-start. Running the testing script gave the same bug report error Setting the environment variables inside gdb (gdb) set environment GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge (gdb) run gave GTK Accessibility Module Initialized atk-bridge-warning: AT_SPI_REGISTRY was not started at session startup atk-bridge-warning: IOR not set atk-bridge-warning: Could not locate registry and then the Program exited with code 0377 which means garbage was returned by the OS I also compiled hail (Hildon Accessibility Library) inside the target and substituted hail for gail like: export GTK_MODULES=/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libhail:atk-bridge putting this inside the ume-xephyr-start script meant the UI would not start with this error: FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. commenting this out in ume-xephyr-start and exporting it directly from a shell inside the UI gave this: python moblin-media creating logfile at /tmp/dogtail/logs/moblin-media/20071119-111356_debug Hildon Accessibility Module Initialized Error file accessible.c line 554 (spi_accessible_construct): assertion failed Aborted (core dumped) a bit more digging uncovered this: Hildon Accessibility Module initialized ** ERROR **: file accessible.c: line 554 (spi_accessible_construct): assertion failed: (o) aborting... Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. [Switching to Thread -1227409744 (LWP 24587)] 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () (gdb) where #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb717c875 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #2 0xb717e201 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #3 0xb7459f4a in g_logv () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #4 0xb7459f89 in g_log () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #5 0xb745a006 in g_assert_warning () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #6 0xb6ad77f2 in spi_accessible_construct () from /usr/lib/libspi.so.0 #7 0xb6ad86c2 in spi_application_new () from /usr/lib/libspi.so.0 #8 0xb6c4877f in ?? () from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libatk-bridge.so #9 0x00000000 in ?? () (gdb) here are the relevant lines from http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs- imports/at-spi/trunk/annotate/vcs- imports%40canonical.com-20071115183048-fvvqhx4ssia77dm5?file_id=libspiaccessible.c-20071008164538-4qprwj1cg939hp12-35 545 SpiAccessible * 546 spi_accessible_construct (GType type, AtkObject *o) 547 { 548 SpiAccessible *retval; 549 CORBA_Environment ev; 550 551 CORBA_exception_init (&ev); 552 553 g_assert (o); 554 g_assert (g_type_is_a (type, SPI_ACCESSIBLE_TYPE)); Can anyone help with this or have any idea of what to do next? regards ian -- http://ianlawrence.info From kenny at hittsjunk.net Fri Nov 23 16:54:23 2007 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:54:23 -0600 Subject: Orca Preferences won't launch In-Reply-To: References: <47426443.3060204@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <20071123165423.GB26204@hittsjunk.net> Hi. Have you tried running orca -t in a terminal? Also, control-alt-backspace is the wrong way to quit the desktop. You should choose quit from the system menu instead. Ctl-alt-backspace is the equivalent of ctl-alt-del to the Xserver. Killing the Xserver like that is only done when you have no other option. Kenny On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 09:43:50PM -0000, Ian Pascoe wrote: > Hi All > > Ever since upgrading to Gutsy I haven't been able to launch the Orca > preferences using + Space Bar. When I do this I get the > message "Orca Preferences launching - this may take some time" and the > speech disappears, although the screen magnification remains running. > > I have tried launching this from initial login, with focus on the menus and > when in a terminal but to no avail. > > During the upgrade process, I also lost all my setings for Orca which is why > I want to get at the preferences dialogue box. > > I have just tried it again with no success and when quitting the Gnome > desktop using Ctrol + Shift + Backspace, it now sends me into restart and > not back to the login. > > Can anyone suggest anything I can do to get things working again? If not, > I'll wipe the installation and start afresh. > > To an aside., I think the problems arose because during the upgrade a > dialogue appeared that asked if I wanted to remove old docs and folders, or > some such, and I replied yes to this; I'm fairly sure that when upgrading to > Fiesty from Edgey I said no at this point last time .... > > Cheers > > Ian > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Nov 23 18:43:48 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:43:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: login question Message-ID: <0JRZ0022P2P087U8@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Luke, I tried the accessible login as you said. I got no speech when holding ctrl s. However, I am using e-speak. Does this only work with gnome speech. Mike. From yellow.penguin at edpnet.be Sat Nov 24 09:18:35 2007 From: yellow.penguin at edpnet.be (Y P) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:18:35 +0100 Subject: [wishlist] brltty Message-ID: <20071124091835.GA3245@starfish> Hi all, Hi developers and/or maintainers/coworkers, After having commented the right (3) lines in /etc/init.d/brltty as indicated at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Braille my Ubntu Gutsy Gibbon *finally* booted-up without overriding my personalized /etc/brltty.conf But now I have three proposals for the Ubuntu-Accessibility team/brltty maintainer(s): 1* first, make us a nice Christmas surprise: do debug it and publish a new package with the hal/brltty bug fixed ! 2* btw, publish a recent version since 3.7.2 seems to be quite old enough... 3* last but not least, I presume autodetection is something important, but why not making the default text-table then dependent of the /etc/default/locale ? OK there are more locales and lang support under Linux than Braille tables, but that's absolutely not a problem since countries_linguistic parts like de_de or nl_nl or nl_be probably historically prefer a certain braille table as default, here "de", just like for example fr_fr or fr_mc or fr_be or fr_ca prefer the "fr" table. Isn't this an idea ? Finally you must know that a non-US blind user like me reads "yp|ubuntu5>6" instead of "yp at ubuntu:~$" when brltty's us table is "default": it's not a problem for five minutes but unusable for a long working day... And we shouldn't talk then about numbers... I know this is a comlicated problem, but this is a suggestion + an urgent wishlist: feel free to discuss about it. GrtnX Y P From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Nov 24 19:21:04 2007 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:21:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: changing sound cards Message-ID: <0JS000GNRZ32QJM2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I have a computer with a build in sound card. I added another one, and see it in the sound settings. However, when picking it, orca still uses the built in card. Is there something else I need to do, or am I looking in the wrong place. Mike. From hanke at brailcom.org Mon Nov 26 16:24:03 2007 From: hanke at brailcom.org (Hynek Hanke) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:24:03 +0100 Subject: Speech Dispatcher 0.6.5rc1 (help with testing) Message-ID: <474AF323.1080701@brailcom.org> Hello, we are preparing a 0.6.5 release of Speech Dispatcher and would like to ask you for help with testing it before the final release. Bellow is a short description of the improvements. You can download the .tar.gz from http://www.freebsoft.org/pub/projects/speechd/speech-dispatcher-0.6.5rc1.tar.gz (we prefer if you use this version for testing rather than CVS) * What is new in 0.6.5? - Pulse Audio sound output support. - Speech Dispatcher is now adapted for easy setup and using under ordinary system user accounts. - Bugfixes. NOTES (0.6.5) - There are changes in the configuration file. It is highly recommended to replace your speechd.conf file with the speechd.conf provided in this package and copy your settings there. The old configuration file should however also work. - Default output module has been switched to espeak. Please report any bugs at . For other contact please use . You can learn more about Speech Dispatcher at http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd Thank you very much, Hynek Hanke Brailcom, o.p.s. From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Mon Nov 26 17:03:03 2007 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:03:03 +0000 (WET) Subject: Magnifer and touchpad in Kubuntu Message-ID: I've just started working on a laptop which I'm trying to make accessible for me, and it has Ubuntu, and is setup with KDE. At the moment I have no preferences for KDE or Gnome, as I've not really used either successfully. I normally use Solaris, and nowadays normally from a Windows machine using PuTTY. My problems are that I need about 4x or greater magnification, usually 4x will do, and that I've been having problems with the touchpad. I've been finding that when I move the mouse over some icons in order to magnify them, they are activated as if I have double-clicked on them. I don't know if this is some function of the touchpad on the toshiba touchpad or of some configuration somewhere, but I'd like this behaviour to stop. I have enough difficulty positioning the cursor accurately with the touchpad as it is, and it may be as a result that I'm pressing too hard. Trying to use a separate mouse, I have the mouse lock up (on logout) so I'm not confident about that working properly with all programs. Now, the magnifier, I can get it to display with enough magnification, but I can't seem to control the size of magnified display; I can set it to doc with the top of the screen but I can't vary it's vertical height. Maybe there's a configuration file I can set. I've tried to find stuff in the manual (man(1) command) and on the web sites, to no avail. Can anyone point me at specific docs for these, please? Thank you, Hugh From themuso at themuso.com Tue Nov 27 05:30:39 2007 From: themuso at themuso.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:30:39 +1100 Subject: Speech-dispatcher 0.6.5rc1 Ubuntu Gutsy packages available. Message-ID: <20071127053039.GA14611@marin.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey folks. I'm happy to announce that I have made speech-dispatcher 0.6.5rc1 packages available for Ubuntu gutsy, on i386, and amd64. To upggrade to these packages, add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/themuso/ubuntu gutsy main Then run apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade. Or, if you no longer have Ubuntu speech-dispatcher packages installed, simply install the speech-dispatcher package, and anything else you need, such as python-speechd for orca. NOTE: If you have built speech-dispatcher from source, it is strongly recommended that you remove this from your system before installing/upgrading to these new packages. Two copies of speech-dispatcher, or any one of its components may cause problems. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso at themuso.com Jabber: themuso at jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHS6t/jVefwtBjIM4RAprfAJ46ioMlp6U17KNfiNGPMqZqdcRiVgCg2HQE o+mLQahO7aRj7NHGZQLGhv0= =PIIy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com Tue Nov 27 21:19:31 2007 From: softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com (Ian Pascoe) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:19:31 -0000 Subject: Orca Preferences won't launch In-Reply-To: <4747EA37.8040001@brailcom.org> Message-ID: Hi Tomas How / where do I find which processes are currently running in an accessable way? Ian -----Original Message----- From: Tomas Cerha [mailto:cerha at brailcom.org] Sent: 24 November 2007 09:09 To: Ian Pascoe Subject: Re: Orca Preferences won't launch Ian Pascoe napsal(a): > Ever since upgrading to Gutsy I haven't been able to launch the Orca > preferences using + Space Bar. When I do this I get the > message "Orca Preferences launching - this may take some time" and the > speech disappears, although the screen magnification remains running. I have seen this caused by the festival Gnome Speech driver. Can you check, whether there is the process named 'festival-synthesis-driver', which is using 100% CPU? For example using the 'top' utility. Regards, Tomas From softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com Tue Nov 27 21:18:04 2007 From: softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com (Ian Pascoe) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:18:04 -0000 Subject: Orca Preferences won't launch In-Reply-To: <20071123165423.GB26204@hittsjunk.net> Message-ID: Hi Kenny Thanks for the response. Firstly, I appreciate that the best way to log out of Gnome is through the menu options, but when things freeze, as they do in my case, it's better to try that than doing either a soft or hard reset! I tried ORCA -T, and that hung too. On re-entering Gnome, Orca failed to launch at run time and had to be initiated by going to the run dialogue and typeing the Orca command there. I also tried running the graphical setup from the Run dialogue box with no apparent results. Incidentally, I initially tried Orca -h from the terminal and got some text that lead me to believe that spurious options are not caught well in my Orca 2.20.0.0 s as I got a series of lines being presented - I tried capturing the output but nothing came from it. Ian -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com]On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt Sent: 23 November 2007 16:54 To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Orca Preferences won't launch Hi. Have you tried running orca -t in a terminal? Also, control-alt-backspace is the wrong way to quit the desktop. You should choose quit from the system menu instead. Ctl-alt-backspace is the equivalent of ctl-alt-del to the Xserver. Killing the Xserver like that is only done when you have no other option. Kenny On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 09:43:50PM -0000, Ian Pascoe wrote: > Hi All > > Ever since upgrading to Gutsy I haven't been able to launch the Orca > preferences using + Space Bar. When I do this I get the > message "Orca Preferences launching - this may take some time" and the > speech disappears, although the screen magnification remains running. > > I have tried launching this from initial login, with focus on the menus and > when in a terminal but to no avail. > > During the upgrade process, I also lost all my setings for Orca which is why > I want to get at the preferences dialogue box. > > I have just tried it again with no success and when quitting the Gnome > desktop using Ctrol + Shift + Backspace, it now sends me into restart and > not back to the login. > > Can anyone suggest anything I can do to get things working again? If not, > I'll wipe the installation and start afresh. > > To an aside., I think the problems arose because during the upgrade a > dialogue appeared that asked if I wanted to remove old docs and folders, or > some such, and I replied yes to this; I'm fairly sure that when upgrading to > Fiesty from Edgey I said no at this point last time .... > > Cheers > > Ian > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From aeclist at candt.waitrose.com Wed Nov 28 09:16:10 2007 From: aeclist at candt.waitrose.com (alan c) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:16:10 +0000 Subject: Magnifer and touchpad in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474D31DA.2080607@candt.waitrose.com> Hugh Sasse wrote: >I've been finding that when I move the mouse over some > icons in order to magnify them, they are activated as if I have > double-clicked on them. This is the touch pad 'Tapping' facility. I always turn it off, it drives me mad. The way I know to turn it off is by editing the file, essentially editing the value of maxtaptime Option "MaxTapTime" "0" the zero value stops the function. there is a link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InputDevices -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 From daniel.dalton47 at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 10:40:44 2007 From: daniel.dalton47 at gmail.com (Daniel Dalton) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:40:44 +1100 Subject: installing ubuntu with orca Message-ID: <474D45AC.9070301@gmail.com> Hi, I followed the instructions at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuEdgyEft But it didn't talk in the terminal window once I quit and restarted orca. Just the orca window was voiced. When I booted my livecd it spoke and read everything to me. I chose "screenreader" from the accessibility options in the boot process but it didn't talk straight away. I had to go to run application and type orca. So my question is How do I install ubuntu with orca? Or is there a way I can do it on my windows box to the box I am installing to? Like SSH. (I have no experience with ssh so have no idea how to do this or how it works) Any ideas? I am trying to install ubuntu 7.04. Thanks for any help. -- Daniel Dalton http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/ daniel.dalton47 at gmail.com From hanke at brailcom.org Fri Nov 30 13:06:32 2007 From: hanke at brailcom.org (Hynek Hanke) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:06:32 +0100 Subject: Speech Dispatcher 0.6.5 released Message-ID: <47500AD8.2090308@brailcom.org> Speech Dispatcher 0.6.5 ===================== The Brailcom organization is happy to announce the availability of Speech Dispatcher 0.6.5 developed as a part of the Free(b)Soft project. This is a minor release, it contains mostly bugfixes and minor improvements. Please read `What is new' and `NOTES' bellow. * What is Speech Dispatcher? Speech Dispatcher is a device independent layer for speech synthesis, developed with the goal of making the usage of speech synthesis easier for application programmers. It takes care of most of the tasks necessary to solve in speech enabled applications. What is a very high level GUI library to graphics, Speech Dispatcher is to speech synthesis. Key Speech Dispatcher features are: - Message priority model that allows multiple simultaneous connections to Speech Dispatcher from one or more clients and tries to provide the user with the most important messages. - Different output modules that talk to different synthesizers so that the programmer doesn't need to care which particular synthesizer is being used. Currently Festival, Flite, Epos, Espeak and (non-free) Dectalk software, IBM TTS are supported. Festival is an advanced Free Software synthesizer supporting various languages. Espeak is a very fast multi-lingual synthesizer. - Client-based configuration allows users to configure different settings for different clients that connect to Speech Dispatcher. - Simple interface for programs written in C, C++ provided through a shared library. Python, Common Lisp and Guile interface. An Elisp library is developed as a sperate project speechd-el. Possibly an interface to any other language can be developed. * What is new in 0.6.5? - Pulse Audio output module (thanks to Gilles Casse) - Speech Dispatcher is now adapted for easy setup and using under ordinary system user accounts - Bugfixes NOTES (0.6.5) - There are changes in the configuration file. It is highly recommended to replace your speechd.conf file with the speechd.conf provided in this package and copy your settings there. The old configuration file should however also work. - Default output module has been switched to espeak. - By default, the communication port of Speech Dispatcher is only opened for localhost connections. Please see the LocalhostAccessOnly option in speechd.conf for information on how to allow connections from other manchines as well. * Where to get it? You can get the distribution tarball of the released version from http://www.freebsoft.org/pub/projects/speechd/speech-dispatcher-0.6.5.tar.gz We recommend you to fetch the sound icons for use with Speech Dispatcher. They are available at http://www.freebsoft.org/pub/projects/sound-icons/sound-icons-0.1.tar.gz Corresponding Debian, Gentoo and Ubuntu packages will soon be available at your distribution mirrors. The home page of the project is http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd * How to report bugs? Please report bugs at . For other contact please use Happy synthesizing! _______________________________________________ Speechd mailing list Speechd at lists.freebsoft.org http://lists.freebsoft.org/mailman/listinfo/speechd From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Fri Nov 30 18:42:21 2007 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:42:21 +0000 (WET) Subject: Magnifer and touchpad in Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <474D31DA.2080607@candt.waitrose.com> References: <474D31DA.2080607@candt.waitrose.com> Message-ID: Sorry for the delay in response -- been sent off site for a few days. On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, alan c wrote: > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > I've been finding that when I move the mouse over some > > icons in order to magnify them, they are activated as if I have > > double-clicked on them. > > This is the touch pad 'Tapping' facility. I always turn it off, it drives me > mad. > The way I know to turn it off is by editing the file, essentially editing the > value of maxtaptime > Option "MaxTapTime" "0" > the zero value stops the function. > > there is a link > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InputDevices that sounds like the thing. I've never got on with touchpads. I probably need to read more about how to use them (rolling one's fingertip on the pad seems to give finer control, but I prefer mice). Anyway this should help, I've not read that link yet. Maybe more questions later :-) Thank you. Hugh