From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Oct 1 23:22:01 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:22:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I need a program Message-ID: <0K83002N928P1RG1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, many of you probably remember the old BBS systems that ran in dos. Does anyone know if there is any BBS programs that run in Linux? Of course I need one that would be accessible with Orca or speakup if such software is out there. Thanks Mike. From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Wed Oct 1 23:32:15 2008 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:32:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: I need a program In-Reply-To: <0K83002N928P1RG1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K83002N928P1RG1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, mike wrote: > Hi, many of you probably remember the old BBS systems that ran in dos. Does anyone know if there is any BBS programs that run in Linux? Of course I need one that would be accessible with Orca or speakup if such software is out there. > Thanks Mike. IIRC this was based on UUCP, so how support under linux is now, I'm not sure. I'm surprised the site is still there: http://www.fidonet.org/ I'm not sure if this is anything near what you are looking for. I thought people used web forums for this sort of thing now. Hugh From eheil at sdf.lonestar.org Thu Oct 2 02:17:27 2008 From: eheil at sdf.lonestar.org (Erik Heil) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I need a program In-Reply-To: References: <0K83002N928P1RG1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi their. Their is also the Sycronet BBS (not sure if its the right spelling) but its accessible all right. Also, it comes with its own FTP, Web, NNTP, mail server, and a few I can't remembr. Since dial-up modems aren't as prevelant as before, callers actually telnet into the BBS, and from then on, its like good old BBS's of the day. --Erik On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Hugh Sasse wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:32:15 +0100 (BST) > From: Hugh Sasse > To: mike > Cc: ubuntu > Subject: Re: I need a program > > > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, mike wrote: > > > Hi, many of you probably remember the old BBS systems that ran in dos. Does anyone know if there is any BBS programs that run in Linux? Of course I need one that would be accessible with Orca or speakup if such software is out there. > > Thanks Mike. > > IIRC this was based on UUCP, so how support under linux is now, I'm not > sure. I'm surprised the site is still there: > > http://www.fidonet.org/ > > I'm not sure if this is anything near what you are looking for. > I thought people used web forums for this sort of thing now. > > Hugh > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > eheil at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From esj at harvee.org Thu Oct 2 13:17:27 2008 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:17:27 -0400 Subject: I need a program In-Reply-To: References: <0K83002N928P1RG1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <48E4C9E7.1030600@harvee.org> Hugh Sasse wrote: > I'm not sure if this is anything near what you are looking for. > I thought people used web forums for this sort of thing now. the only difference being that the old BBSs from the 1980s are faster and have a better user interface. I know it's damn near impossible to drive a web forum with speech recognition and pretty miserable just entering message text. I imagine that screen scraping for text-to-speech is just as bad. From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Thu Oct 2 13:41:07 2008 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:41:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: I need a program In-Reply-To: <48E4C9E7.1030600@harvee.org> References: <0K83002N928P1RG1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <48E4C9E7.1030600@harvee.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > > I'm not sure if this is anything near what you are looking for. > > I thought people used web forums for this sort of thing now. > > the only difference being that the old BBSs from the 1980s are faster and have a > better user interface. I know it's damn near impossible to drive a web forum > with speech recognition and pretty miserable just entering message text. I > imagine that screen scraping for text-to-speech is just as bad. > Agreed. It's bad enough with low vision, but when I used to visit "Sight Village" regularly I was given the impression audio browsers were catching up. I used to be on the ACCMAIL list (Accessing the Internet by Email) and got some bugs out of Arthur Secret's Agora program, and enhanced it to provide compression, base64 encoding, and a few other things. Since the departure from that area of Gerry Boyd the list has basically fizzled out. Agora didn't cope too well with forms, but there was Getweb if memory serves) that was better. There was also some work on a text browser called Netrik, but its very accessible web page http://netrik.sourceforge.net//?intro.html doesn't seem to have changed for a long time. We had a BBS running on an Olivetti 3b2 circa 1988, but I can't remember what it was called, and I think the people who were there then have now left. Maybe poking around the mustier bits of comp.sources.unix might turn up something. The only other thing I can suggest is you poke about in places where the Amateur Radio enthusiasts keep their Packet Radio software. I never got into that, but it was much lower bandwidth than the web, so is likely to be more accessible. Hugh From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 03:54:01 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the installer doesn't work Message-ID: <0K8500FA79I06LG0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I downloaded the mp3 file on installing ubuntu. But apparently the installer doesn't work on the daily live discs after alpha 6. Or at least I couldn't get it to work with Orca. Has anyone else tried? Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 14:56:18 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:56:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I'm having a problem with firefox Message-ID: <0K860093145TIGX2@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I haven't needed firefox for a few days. But when I tried to use it in intrepid this morning I was no longer able to brows using the arrow keys. Has anyone else had this problem? X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081003-0, 10/03/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Oct 3 22:28:21 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:28:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I have a question about adding yasr to a live cd. Message-ID: <0K8600CWOP38OYC0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, is it possible to make your own live CD adding software that you want. I at times need speech in the consul when using the live CD, and wanted to create one that includes yasr. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Oct 4 16:59:58 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:59:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I'm still having problems getting the installer to work Message-ID: <0K8800G2X4JY9362@vms172073.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried using to days live CD with the talking install as follows. I press enter once after the CD is at the boot menu. Then I press down arrow once, f5, 3 and enter twice. The CD boots, but I get no speech. I pressed escape which then booted into the desktop. I noticed accessibility was not enabled, so apparently this is the problem. For some reason accessibility is not being enabled when trying to use the direct install method. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Oct 4 17:29:45 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:29:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Can orca read the weather in the top panel? Message-ID: <0K8800MQC5XJ48B1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I see in the settings on the top panel something about displaying the weather. Is this accessible with Orca? If so, how do you use this feature? Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Oct 4 18:46:21 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:46:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: more problems with firefox Message-ID: <0K8800BRL9H8G6F3@vms172069.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I noticed today that not only can't I use the arrow keys in firefox. It now says html content like it used to do when it wasn't accessible. Is anyone else having this problem? Mike. From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 21:18:05 2008 From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:18:05 -0400 Subject: Orca Script Writing Tutorial Message-ID: <1223155085.4059.19.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Hi, I have been attempting to learn Python. So far so good, I think anyway. Everything I have created works so far after a little tinkering anyway. I have found that the actual Orca code is a bit much to try and tackle for a beginner. Just finding the write files poses a bit of a challenge. So, I got to thinking that creating scripts may be easier. After all, you just have to write a simple script and drop it in to the script folder right??? The thing is, I haven't found much info about writing scripts. I found a couple of examples for adding time and date, however, the script for reading weather doesn't work. So, now for my question. Is there any good documentation for script writing for beginners that explains everything down to why certain files are included? If not, I would like to write such a tutorial. I figure the best way to learn is to teach, and a tutorial would provide that opportunity. So, where would be the best place to get script creation information? And, should the tutorial be posted on the live.gnome.org/Orca website. Or, is there already such a tutorial somewhere? Thanks Storm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(VPS 081005-0, 10/05/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 23:10:03 2008 From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:10:03 -0400 Subject: New orca-customizations.py File Message-ID: <1223334603.18871.25.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Hi, The Orca scripting tutorial is coming along quite nicely. Well, maybe slowly but surely is more like it. Anyway, I have an orca-customizations.py file that, hopefully, someone will find useful. The file adds the following functionality to Orca. Orca-t Speaks and/or Brailles the current time. It also places the current time in the clipboard so it can be pasted if desired. Orca-d Speaks and/or Brailles the current date. The date is also placed into the clipboard so that it can be pasted if desired. Here's examples of the paste functions. I have just pressed insert-t when I press ctrl-v to paste I get 06:54PM Now, for the date, I press ins-d and when I press ctrl-v to paste, it will paste Monday, October 06, 2008 I need to go back and add in some better documentation for the code, but as it stands, everything works (at least on my system). Please send me some feedback, suggestions for improvement, if it's maybe the koolest thing ever!, etc. There will be another hopefully more improved customizations.py in the near future. Also, if you happen to have scripts you would like included in the tutorial please send them my way. And now! drum roll please! Here's the orca-customizations.py code. Simply copy the text below and paste it into .orca/orca-customizations.py If this file exists already, you may want to replace it because I am not sure if there will be conflicts with your current customizations. #start code below this line: """This script adds time and date functionality to Orca New in this script, time or date can be pasted from the clipboard Adapted by Storm Dragon from the script posted at: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-6a8c1c2511ba01d7397f68f754eec0d923d166f1 feel free to modify and/or redistribute this script as you see fit.""" #import gets code that has already been written. #think of it as using wheels instead of trying to reinvent them. import orca.input_event # watches for input that Orca recognizes import orca.keybindings # Handles binding keystrokes for Orca to use. import orca.orca # Imports the main screen reader import orca.speech # Handles Orca's speaking abilities import orca.braille # Displays information in Braille format import re # Not sure import gtk # import the gtk library #places text in the clipboard def setClipboardText(text): cb = gtk.Clipboard() cb.set_text(text) cb.store() myKeyBindings = orca.keybindings.KeyBindings() #Define the sayTime function def sayTime(script, inputEvent=None): import time # imports the Python time library message = time.strftime("%I:%M%p", time.localtime()) orca.speech.speak(message) orca.braille.displayMessage(message) setClipboardText(message) return True #end sayTime function #Define the sayDate function def sayDate(script, inputEvent=None): import time # imports the Python time library message = time.strftime("%A, %B %d, %Y", time.localtime()) orca.speech.speak(message) orca.braille.displayMessage(message) setClipboardText(message) return True #end sayDate function #Set up sayTime keys sayTimeHandler = orca.input_event.InputEventHandler( sayTime, "Presents the time.") # Shows the function of the key press in learn mode myKeyBindings.add(orca.keybindings.KeyBinding( "t", 1 << orca.settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << orca.settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, sayTimeHandler)) # Sets Orca-t as the say time key #add sayDate info sayDateHandler = orca.input_event.InputEventHandler( sayDate, "Presents the date.") # Shows the function of the key press in learn mode myKeyBindings.add(orca.keybindings.KeyBinding( "d", 1 << orca.settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << orca.settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, sayDateHandler)) # Sets Orca-d as the say date key orca.settings.keyBindingsMap["default"] = myKeyBindings #end time and date code -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Oct 7 09:09:02 2008 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:09:02 +0200 Subject: Update manager doesn't work with orca anymore In-Reply-To: <0K8B007QVSSRET50@vms172067.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K8B007QVSSRET50@vms172067.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <48EB272E.4040909@pickup.hu> Dear List! I tryed Intrepid beta release. Found this problems, if known problems, sorry my letter: 1. Firefox 3.0.3 not work with Orca my machine. The caret navigation is not work. Solving this problem with final release? In Hardy the webbrowsing is perfect. Possible another people confirm this problem? 2. My machine can not restart when using Intrepid beta release. I sent hardware report with my machine with hardware testing application. Good thinks: Thank you every developers with new yelp accessibility (it is perfect), new network manager accessibility etc. Thanks, Attila From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 18:31:01 2008 From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:31:01 -0400 Subject: New orca-customizations.py File Message-ID: <1223404261.14685.4.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Hi, Sorry about the previous lack of instructions for getting everything set up. I am going to try and attach the file this time. I wasn't sure that the list's mail handler would allow attachments. The file goes in your ~/.orca directory. Here are the key presses in the newest script. orca-d speak and/or Braille the date orca-t speak and/or Braille the time orca-w speak and/or Braille the current temperature and conditions. The time and date are also placed into the clipboard so they can be pasted with a simple press of ctrl-v A note about the weather. I wanted to get the weather from the top panel. In Ubuntu, it is shown with the clock. I couldn't find the information I needed to access this though, so I wrote a script to get the info from Yahoo's weather services. I got to thinking that this may be the best way to do things after all, because I am not sure that all distros have the weather posted with the clock, and even if they do, they may not all use the same program to do it. The only drawback is, if you press the orca-w keys to get the weather and are not connected to the internet there is a bit of significant lag while the script attempts to get the info. IF you do have internet connectivity though, it's nearly instantly displayed. Ok, here's the script, let me know if you need any help with it, if there's something that can be done to improve it, etc. Storm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pressing alt-f2 and typing orca doesn't bring it back. The only way I have found is to ctrl-alt-backspace. Is anyone else noticing these things? I noticed that my /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release file didn't update correctly when I upgraded. So, I am wondering if something else may not have upgraded quite right. Thanks Storm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Oct 8 09:51:49 2008 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:51:49 +0200 Subject: Security update, my soundcard is silent In-Reply-To: <1223405185.14685.14.camel@stormdragon-laptop> References: <1223405185.14685.14.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Message-ID: <48EC82B5.4030108@pickup.hu> Dear List! Please help me if it is possible! Now I installed the security updates with this commands: apt-get update apt-get upgrade I see some pulseaudio updates. When installation is processing, my soundcard is silent, Orca not speaking. When updates installation is finished, I tryed reboot the system, but my soundcard is silent after rebooting. Confirm anybodi this problem? Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 17:52:00 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:52:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I notice two strange things with orca Message-ID: <0K8L007HV5MOIGE0@vms172073.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I found today that vlc is no longer accessible, or at least it doesn't seem to be. I can't get anything from orca in it. Second. On my laptop, sometimes orca will give me the amount of time the battery will last, but lately most of the time it only tells me the amount of charge that is left. I sure hope this is corrected by the time the final release comes out. vlc was nice, but I should be able to find another player that is just as good. Mike. From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Oct 13 06:49:53 2008 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:49:53 +0200 Subject: Hardy and Intrepid live cd does'nt boot correctly with Asus P4V800-X motherboard Message-ID: <48F2EF91.30508@pickup.hu> Dear List! My friend is a blind person, but he would like using Ubuntu. He have'nt got braille display. I is a blind person, and can not help he's problem, because impossible help he's problem with remote. He's computer configuration is: CPU type: Intel Celeron 4A, 2400 MHz (6 x 400) Motherboard: Asus P4V800-X (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 3 DIMM, Audio, LAN) Motherboard chipset: VIA VT8763 Apollo PT800 System memory: 1024 MB (DDR SDRAM) BIOS type: Asus AMI (11/12/03) Communication ports: Com1, NetMos PCI ECP Parallel Port (LPT3) Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 (Microsoft Corporation) (64 MB) Soundcard: C-Media CMI8738/C3DX Audio Device Disk drives: Floppy drive with 1.44Mb Hard disk: Maxtor 6E040L0 (40 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133) Hard disk (secondary): Maxtor 6E040L0 (40 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133) DVD rom: HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B DVD writer: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D Raid controller: VIA Serial ATA RAID Controller (no devices connected this controller) When he tryed booting Hardy or Intrepid live cd, the following situation is present he's computer configuration: Nine numbers changed lot of time, after the nine number the following error messages is displayed: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1 Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 2 Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 3 And the finish, before the Busybox shell, the following error message is displayed: End_request: I/O error, defsr0, sector 0 This simptoms repeated some minutes, and the finish: BusyBox v1.10.2 (Ubuntu 1:1.10.2-1 ubuntu6) built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. (initramfs) This simptoms produce Hardy and Intrepid live cd's same. Have any idea how can using my friend Ubuntu with this situation? I filled bugreport with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/282526 Luke, possible fix this bug relative short time your openion? I know, this is not an accessibility bug. Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Oct 13 22:18:18 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:18:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Heres a ap some of you may have been looking for. Message-ID: <0K8P00F3N7AHQHS4@vms172069.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, If you are using intrepid, I discovered a really nice app that is accessible. Unfortunately it only works in the root account with Orca, but it does work. What is it? If you go to add remove programs and search usb. There is a program for making a ubuntu boot usb disk. Yes, you can insert a 1 gb flash drive and make a boot drive out of it. Now the drawback. Your computer has to be able to boot from the usb port, and I have not found a way to save settings. According to the choices it saves a 128 space that I thought would automatically store settings like oralux did. But this doesn't seem to be the case. However, on my dell laptop, it did boot from my usb drive, and the speed once it is loaded is pretty good. I would say at least twice as fast as a live CD. I thought this might be of interest to some, I know I have wanted a way to carry ubuntu on a usb flash drive for some time, and this program can easily be used by new users. Mike. From chmiel at phil.muni.cz Tue Oct 14 12:55:14 2008 From: chmiel at phil.muni.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:55:14 +0200 Subject: intrepid live CD dated to 11.10 caused too many crashes References: <0K8B007QVSSRET50@vms172067.mailsrvcs.net> <48EB272E.4040909@pickup.hu> Message-ID: Dear core developers, I would like to inform You, that You very probably solved problems related to sound audio subsystem, so speech is now working correctly without random crashes related to audio subsystem. I tried to use Ubuntu live CD dated to 11.10 and not only, that Orca did not automatically start while using F5 key and used down arrow key for three times and than pressed Enter, but while using Orca, Whole operating system started to be very unstable. Some software servers has been terminated unexpectedly. For example, bomobo or Bonobo server or similar name terminated unexpectedly. Oh, it will be probably very complex to determine The cause. Please, how can I check The Iso integrity to determine, that I AM not downloading corrupted .iso file? Even one subprocess, which is response for displaying desktop items in Gnome crashed. I sended You one error report, but I did not registered successfully in The Launchpad server, because even Firefox crashed while working with WEB content. My question is, if I will send The error reports, if I must register in The Launchpad, or if The error reports can be also send only without registering and could be awailable for development team. I would like to please other users for patient testing, because I think, that official release will be released very soon. And if somethink can be repair, it would be done as soon as possible. Eventhough Ubuntu distribution is very often updated, update manager can update some crucial parts of this operating system without need to reinstall allready installed system, I think, that similar stability related issues could be repaired when official release will be awailable. I can debug similar errors, I used Espeak CS voice, and I did not have many other applications active. Only Mozilla firefox or no other application. Please do not think about Me, that I Am only writing error reports, but I think, that because Ubuntu operating system is very stable without using ATspi and Orca and Espeak driver for Gnome, it is time to do our best to bring as stable Ubuntu distribution usable with Orca as possible. The Ubuntu and Gnome is containing many condition blocks for detecting errors, so lets use it for debug. The problems are very probably not caused by wmlinus or similar Linux kernel components. My opinion is, that those errors are strongly depend on The used sound cart, on The AT-spi and Gnome and Orca and Orca components relationships. Thank You for Your answer. The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 18:59:23 2008 From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:59:23 -0400 Subject: New orca-customizations.py file Message-ID: <1224097163.12584.9.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Hi, Here's the latest script. This one includes a script for battery status. Unfortunately, my laptop doesn't have a battery at the moment so I can't test this as thoroughly as I would like. It can detect thaqt a battery is not present., so it should work the rest of the way too. Here are the keybindings for the new script: orca-a battery status orca-d date (can be pasted from the clipboard) orca-t time (can be pasted from the clipboard) orca-w current temperature and conditions IF the battery status key doesn't work as expected, please let me know. Thanks Storm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <0K9000KQNA9KOVL4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, is there any real advantage to using speech -dispatcher over pulse audio? I have had nothing but trouble trying to get speech-dispatcher to work in intrepid, and still do not see it in the Orca choices. So I would like to know if it is really of any advantage since pulse audio seems to work now. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Oct 20 19:51:48 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I have noticed something strange with orca in intrepid Message-ID: <0K91002G3Z6CSR71@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, In ubuntu intrepid if I go to the shutdown menu after the system starts it works fine. However, if I use the system for a while and log out of and back into my account. When I go to the shutdown menu in the system menu it says it is in accessible. But if I go to it in the top panel everything is fine. Is this a known bug? Mike. From mhz at ubuntu.com Tue Oct 21 03:18:44 2008 From: mhz at ubuntu.com (Mauricio Hernandez Z.) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:18:44 -0300 Subject: Ed/Ubuntu for Chilean Government Linux project at schools, Edulinux migration. Message-ID: <720dc91f0810202018w6fa0c5bcm61c141c5a350ffa4@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am very excited with the news I am now sharing with you. Edulinux is an innitiative sponsored by Chilean Government and carried out by "Universidad de la Frontera" (aka UFRO). Edulinux has been installed on over 2200 school computers (mainly old pentium pcs from 1997 to 1999). Edulinux is/was based on Fedora and it uses LTSP. However, they are now planing to migrating to Edubuntu for both LTSP and worksation environments, mainly because they've seen Edubuntu continous efforts. Personally, I was well impressed by the objectives and the commitment UFRO people has towards bringing Ubuntu to schools. Last week I had the chance to be part of many discussions held regarding the plans for 2009, and I am very confident that, if UFRO gets to convince Chilean Gov. about the benefits of continuing supporting this project, we'll be able to witness a huge impact on Chilean education IT plans. I see great potential here for Edubuntu, as well as for Accessibility, since I have mentioned to UFRO that there's a lot of development out there in the repos just waiting to be used and tested, and what a better way of doing it if not in schools?! Chilean School policy has become very strong on the emphasis that "we must provide options to ease the integration of children with accessibility needs", so UFRO got my message that Edubuntu + Accessibility packages would be a more powerful argument to convince the government. I've taken some photos I'll soon upload to share with you. In the meantime, there's this wiki page to read more about Edulinux (thou it's still in spanish): https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdulinuxChile Cheers, -- Mauricio Hernandez Z. [Mail escrito sin caracteres especiales o acentos para evitar conflictos de lectura entre sistemas] From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Oct 21 04:53:26 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I found a bug this evening Message-ID: <0K9200GXGO91IC8F@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, after getting updates in intrepid this evening I had the following problem. Everything works fine unless you log out of your account. I used the CTRL backspace and alt keys to kill gnome. After logging back in I get no speech. If I use another account I have the same problem. I do get the drum. But after entering the name and password all sound is gone including the log in sound. Restarting the computer corrected this problem, but I tried logging out and in again and had the same problem. I am mentioning this incase it isn't known. This was not happening after I got updates this morning. Mike. By the way. I have to run it from the root account. But that system cleaner that was added is really nice. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 03:26:28 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:26:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Maybe someone knows whatth is problem is. Message-ID: <0K9900H0QYW3IEE5@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, on my laptop if I use ctrl alt backspace to kill gnome and then login again I get no sound. I thought this was because of a update, but when I updated my other computer this evening everything works fine if I use ctrl alt backspace to kill gnome. Any ideas what could be causing this problem on the laptop. It apparently starts to log in because I do get the first sound. But nothing happens past that point. Restarting the computer does restore speech. The laptop is at my sisters house so I will not see it again until monday. But unless something got updated this afternoon to fix this problem I must have another issue. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081024-1, 10/24/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 22:59:01 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:59:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: The shut down menu is not accessible again Message-ID: <0K9B00ENDH6CSJM8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I noticed today that the shut down menu is not accessible again. Does anyone know if this will be fixed by final release? Mike. From terryjones130 at msn.com Sun Oct 26 09:16:15 2008 From: terryjones130 at msn.com (Terry Jones) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:16:15 -0500 Subject: my email address Message-ID: this is my email address terryjones130 at msn.com ThankYou terryjones130 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Oct 26 17:31:10 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:31:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Will open office 3 be in the final release? Message-ID: <0K9C00JG9WNYDQR8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, does anyone know if open office 3 will make it into the final release of intrepid? Mike. From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Oct 26 22:10:09 2008 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:10:09 +1100 Subject: The shut down menu is not accessible again In-Reply-To: <0K9B00ENDH6CSJM8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K9B00ENDH6CSJM8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20081026221009.GB10377@brainz.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:59:01AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I noticed today that the shut down menu is not accessible again. Does anyone know if this will be fixed by final release? Yes, I can reproduce it here. I doub that it will be fixed by final release, but I'll make it a priority to get it fixed in an update after intrepid releases. Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkE6sEACgkQjVefwtBjIM5jngCg7Ha2Cl5MABYLu6bCTICVD44h pp4AnjgXBCk8XU3Sq1s2tCw7pfFmp2oT =aZBt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Oct 26 22:10:56 2008 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:10:56 +1100 Subject: Will open office 3 be in the final release? In-Reply-To: <0K9C00JG9WNYDQR8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K9C00JG9WNYDQR8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20081026221056.GC10377@brainz.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 04:31:10AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, does anyone know if open office 3 will make it into the final release of intrepid? No, it won't. It was unfortunately released too late to be included in Ubuntu intrepid, due to intrepid being frozen for new features and upstream releases of packages several weeks ago. Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkE6vAACgkQjVefwtBjIM52WACggBk6dP3kvJ7W7+O986aU42FS xwkAoNKgxMXMPKDyxjyhL3BDPCnaK3ZD =4FRP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Oct 26 23:20:34 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike coulombe) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:20:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: will the installer in intrepid work with orca by final release Message-ID: <0K9D00E68CU9SLAD@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I like several others have also found the installer doesn't work like it did in hardy. Is this going to be fixed by final release? We can get it to work by running it as route, but new users will not know how to do this. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081026-0, 10/26/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Oct 26 23:48:56 2008 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:48:56 +1100 Subject: will the installer in intrepid work with orca by final release In-Reply-To: <0K9D00E68CU9SLAD@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K9D00E68CU9SLAD@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20081026234856.GA16452@brainz.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:20:34AM EST, mike coulombe wrote: > Hi, I like several others have also found the installer doesn't work like it did in hardy. > Is this going to be fixed by final release? We can get it to work by running it as route, but new users will not know how to do this. Probably not, as we are only days away from the release, and I haven't found the problem, due to a lot of the installer changing substancially in thsi release. Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkFAegACgkQjVefwtBjIM7N2QCg3w7IiqPY9Bcj/bNGdr0A34nL LFoAoLhDKk6jovKK5YqEjN6qyaOF5Gp1 =q3AN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thomaslloyd at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 23:23:43 2008 From: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com (Tom Lloyd) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New developer Message-ID: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello All, Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using Ubuntu for= three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK trained in Emb= edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu= ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher. I use compiz for zoon, so i could be intrested in working to improve speech= and magnification under ubuntu, suggestions for projects welcome.=20 Look forward to joining in. Tom From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Mon Oct 27 23:36:40 2008 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:36:40 +0100 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081027233640.GC5303@const.famille.thibault.fr> Hello, Tom Lloyd, le Mon 27 Oct 2008 16:23:43 -0700, a écrit : > As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubuntu to gives access > to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher. That is really great news! Samuel From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Oct 27 23:48:28 2008 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:48:28 +1100 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081027234828.GA13824@brainz.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:23:43AM EST, Tom Lloyd wrote: > Hello All, > > > Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using Ubuntu for= > three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK trained in Emb= > edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu= > ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher. This is awesome news, and depending on how far along your work is, may be enough of a reason to push for using speech-dispatcher as the speech backend for orca in the next Ubuntu release. > I use compiz for zoon, so i could be intrested in working to improve speech= > and magnification under ubuntu, suggestions for projects welcome.=20 We certainly need help in improving the state of magnification in Ubuntu. It works, but badly. What really needs doing is integrating the eZoom compiz plugin with Orca, as well as cleaning up Orca's speech-dispatcher support to be of similar quality to its support for gnome-speech. I plan to more tightly integrate speech-dispatcher for Ubuntu next cycle, due to its more flexible nature compared to gnome-speech. In short, integration is what we lack for accessibility in Ubuntu. The tools are there, but they need to be tied to gether in a way that makes them work seemlessly with each other, i.e eZoom/gnome-mag and orca, speech-dispatcher and orca, etc. Thanks for your offer of assistance, it would be much appreciated. Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkGU0wACgkQjVefwtBjIM4H2wCfXQj0ZSV4whOAqyUcPloc5VyW Mn8AoK7NxudfeWOk9B/uAnIq8NBJ0p2o =t73s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esj at harvee.org Tue Oct 28 00:09:34 2008 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:09:34 -0400 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4906583E.8010407@harvee.org> Tom Lloyd wrote: > Hello All, > > > Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using Ubuntu for= > three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK trained in Emb= > edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu= > ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher. > > I use compiz for zoon, so i could be intrested in working to improve speech= > and magnification under ubuntu, suggestions for projects welcome.=20 > > Look forward to joining in. it would be nice if you could help out on the other side of the house (speech recognition) too. Naturally speaking 10 works reasonably well under wine and we need some people with working hands to help out with the software bridging from the wine environment to the Linux environment. From davaweb at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 28 01:10:44 2008 From: davaweb at bigpond.net.au (David Ryder) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:10:44 +1100 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <4906583E.8010407@harvee.org> References: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4906583E.8010407@harvee.org> Message-ID: <1225156244.7653.7.camel@ubuntu-server.dryder.org.CEDARS> On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 20:09 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > Tom Lloyd wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > > > Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using Ubuntu for= > > three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK trained in Emb= > > edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu= > > ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher. > > > > I use compiz for zoon, so i could be intrested in working to improve speech= > > and magnification under ubuntu, suggestions for projects welcome.=20 > > > > Look forward to joining in. > > it would be nice if you could help out on the other side of the house (speech > recognition) too. Naturally speaking 10 works reasonably well under wine and we > need some people with working hands to help out with the software bridging from > the wine environment to the Linux environment. > Yes - I second that. But one comment if I may, please ... DNS has had a lot of money put into it and it works very well in MS. Personally, I accept, and am sure others do too, that good software may not be gnu or free and so this is one item I wish I could buy for ubuntu (linux). Please excuse me saying this as I know many hate 'unnecessary' emails. But I have read hundreds of posts and constantly hear the mantra 'it must be free' which I think is a bit narrow minded with some software development. Just my two bobs worth. David From francesco.fumanti at gmx.net Tue Oct 28 11:09:37 2008 From: francesco.fumanti at gmx.net (Francesco Fumanti) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:09:37 +0100 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <20081027234828.GA13824@brainz.yelavich.home> References: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20081027234828.GA13824@brainz.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4906F2F1.4040806@gmx.net> Hello Tom, There is another accessibility area that lags behind what is already available for years on Windows and Macs: a good accessibility tool for people that can only use the pointer. - There is the gnome onscreen keyboard gok, but it is more geared towards switch users. Several modifications would be necessary to improve it for pointer only users. Other improvements have been noted on this page: http://live.gnome.org/Gok The current maintainer of gok only has very little time to devote to it, so that only the most urgent problems have been looked after. - There is the onscreen keyboard onboard: onboard, which has been mostly programed in python, is probably the most usable onscreen keyboard available on GNOME for pointer only users. However, it is still a basic onscreen keyboard that lacks efficiency features like word prediction and autoponctuation. Moreover, it does not support switch input yet. I suppose that not only the accessibility users, but also the tabletpc users would appropriate having somebody that takes onboard to the next level. https://edge.launchpad.net/onboard https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Projects/onBoard - Another starting point to build an efficient onscreen keyboard could be the matchbox-keyboard, but as it is not originally geared towards GNOME. http://matchbox-project.org/overview.html - There is kvkbd for KDE, that I have not really look into yet. - There is dasher with its unusual input method that looks more like a game than an accessibility (this is not intended in a negative way). dasher is said to have a good word prediction, but it completely lacks desktop control and the written text goes into a pane in dasher instead of going into the front window. I don't know whether the word prediction of dasher can be used in a "classic" onscreen keyboard. As you see, there is also much left to do for pointer only users. It is not the area that you talked about in your mail, but one can never know; therefore this reply. Anyway, if you are going to pick up one of these to take it to the next level, please contact me and I will help with what I can (ideas, testing, documentation,...). Cheers Francesco Luke Yelavich wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:23:43AM EST, Tom Lloyd wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> >> Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using >> Ubuntu for= three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from >> the UK trained in Emb= edded / Realtime systems. As a side project >> I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu= ntu to gives access to the MS >> speech engines using speech dispatcher. > > This is awesome news, and depending on how far along your work is, > may be enough of a reason to push for using speech-dispatcher as the > speech backend for orca in the next Ubuntu release. > >> I use compiz for zoon, so i could be intrested in working to >> improve speech= and magnification under ubuntu, suggestions for >> projects welcome.=20 > > We certainly need help in improving the state of magnification in > Ubuntu. It works, but badly. What really needs doing is integrating > the eZoom compiz plugin with Orca, as well as cleaning up Orca's > speech-dispatcher support to be of similar quality to its support for > gnome-speech. I plan to more tightly integrate speech-dispatcher for > Ubuntu next cycle, due to its more flexible nature compared to > gnome-speech. > > In short, integration is what we lack for accessibility in Ubuntu. > The tools are there, but they need to be tied to gether in a way that > makes them work seemlessly with each other, i.e eZoom/gnome-mag and > orca, speech-dispatcher and orca, etc. > > Thanks for your offer of assistance, it would be much appreciated. > > Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkkGU0wACgkQjVefwtBjIM4H2wCfXQj0ZSV4whOAqyUcPloc5VyW > Mn8AoK7NxudfeWOk9B/uAnIq8NBJ0p2o =t73s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From vilmar at informal.com.br Tue Oct 28 11:49:37 2008 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (Jose Vilmar Estacio de souza) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:49:37 -0200 Subject: ibmtts and sound Message-ID: <4906FC51.7010503@informal.com.br> Hi all, First of all I apologize because this list is probably not the right location for this type of question. I'm using ibmtts as my primary output synthesizer running orca under intrepid with all updates. Everything is working correctly except for the fact that I can not hear sounds together with what is spoken by orca. As an example, if someone sends me a message via pidgin, I don't hear the alert sound given by pidgin. If I change to espeak this doesn't happen. Any idea on how to solve this problem? Thanks. From buchal at brailcom.org Tue Oct 28 12:08:25 2008 From: buchal at brailcom.org (Jan Buchal) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:08:25 +0100 Subject: ibmtts and sound In-Reply-To: <4906FC51.7010503@informal.com.br> (Jose Vilmar Estacio de souza's message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:49:37 -0200") References: <4906FC51.7010503@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <87ej2053d2.fsf@brailcom.org> >>>>> "JVEds" == Jose Vilmar Estacio de souza writes: JVEds> Hi all, First of all I apologize because this list is JVEds> probably not the right location for this type of question. JVEds> I'm using ibmtts as my primary output synthesizer running JVEds> orca under intrepid with all updates. JVEds> Everything is working correctly except for the fact that I JVEds> can not hear sounds together with what is spoken by orca. JVEds> As an example, if someone sends me a message via pidgin, I JVEds> don't hear the alert sound given by pidgin. JVEds> If I change to espeak this doesn't happen. JVEds> Any idea on how to solve this problem? Maybe IBMTTS use OSS module. You need check that all applications in your systems use alsa only. Best -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From William.Walker at Sun.COM Tue Oct 28 12:26:42 2008 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:26:42 -0400 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <4906F2F1.4040806@gmx.net> References: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20081027234828.GA13824@brainz.yelavich.home> <4906F2F1.4040806@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49070502.304@sun.com> +1 from me - we definitely need to increase our support and maintenance for mouse-only and switch-only users. Any help in this area would be greatly welcomed. Will Francesco Fumanti wrote: > Hello Tom, > > > There is another accessibility area that lags behind what is already > available for years on Windows and Macs: a good accessibility tool for > people that can only use the pointer. > > - There is the gnome onscreen keyboard gok, but it is more geared > towards switch users. Several modifications would be necessary to > improve it for pointer only users. Other improvements have been noted on > this page: http://live.gnome.org/Gok > The current maintainer of gok only has very little time to devote to it, > so that only the most urgent problems have been looked after. > > - There is the onscreen keyboard onboard: onboard, which has been mostly > programed in python, is probably the most usable onscreen keyboard > available on GNOME for pointer only users. However, it is still a basic > onscreen keyboard that lacks efficiency features like word prediction > and autoponctuation. Moreover, it does not support switch input yet. I > suppose that not only the accessibility users, but also the tabletpc > users would appropriate having somebody that takes onboard to the next > level. > https://edge.launchpad.net/onboard > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Projects/onBoard > > - Another starting point to build an efficient onscreen keyboard could > be the matchbox-keyboard, but as it is not originally geared towards > GNOME. http://matchbox-project.org/overview.html > > - There is kvkbd for KDE, that I have not really look into yet. > > - There is dasher with its unusual input method that looks more like a > game than an accessibility (this is not intended in a negative way). > dasher is said to have a good word prediction, but it completely lacks > desktop control and the written text goes into a pane in dasher instead > of going into the front window. I don't know whether the word prediction > of dasher can be used in a "classic" onscreen keyboard. > > > As you see, there is also much left to do for pointer only users. It is > not the area that you talked about in your mail, but one can never know; > therefore this reply. > > > Anyway, if you are going to pick up one of these to take it to the next > level, please contact me and I will help with what I can (ideas, > testing, documentation,...). > > > Cheers > > Francesco > > > > Luke Yelavich wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:23:43AM EST, Tom Lloyd wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>> >>> Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using >>> Ubuntu for= three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from >>> the UK trained in Emb= edded / Realtime systems. As a side project >>> I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu= ntu to gives access to the MS >>> speech engines using speech dispatcher. >> This is awesome news, and depending on how far along your work is, >> may be enough of a reason to push for using speech-dispatcher as the >> speech backend for orca in the next Ubuntu release. >> >>> I use compiz for zoon, so i could be intrested in working to >>> improve speech= and magnification under ubuntu, suggestions for >>> projects welcome.=20 >> We certainly need help in improving the state of magnification in >> Ubuntu. It works, but badly. What really needs doing is integrating >> the eZoom compiz plugin with Orca, as well as cleaning up Orca's >> speech-dispatcher support to be of similar quality to its support for >> gnome-speech. I plan to more tightly integrate speech-dispatcher for >> Ubuntu next cycle, due to its more flexible nature compared to >> gnome-speech. >> >> In short, integration is what we lack for accessibility in Ubuntu. >> The tools are there, but they need to be tied to gether in a way that >> makes them work seemlessly with each other, i.e eZoom/gnome-mag and >> orca, speech-dispatcher and orca, etc. >> >> Thanks for your offer of assistance, it would be much appreciated. >> >> Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkkGU0wACgkQjVefwtBjIM4H2wCfXQj0ZSV4whOAqyUcPloc5VyW >> Mn8AoK7NxudfeWOk9B/uAnIq8NBJ0p2o =t73s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > From buchal at brailcom.org Tue Oct 28 14:15:51 2008 From: buchal at brailcom.org (Jan Buchal) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:15:51 +0100 Subject: pulseaudio 0.9.13, why is not in intrepid? Message-ID: <873aig4xgo.fsf@brailcom.org> Hi, knows someone why is in intrepid old version of pulseaudio? For better support in speech dispatcher is necessary a new model which was implemented in newer versions of pulseaudio. Thanks -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Oct 28 15:47:24 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:47:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: what program do I use in ubuntu to format a drive Message-ID: <0K9G00ITLH6Z91R2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I have been playing with the USB creator that comes with intrepid. You have to run it from root to get Orca to speak, but it works well. My question is, it boots very slow. Would it boot faster if I made a Linux partition and installed to that instead? I see the gnome partition editor, but I'm not sure which one to pick. I also have never tried to format a drive in Linux. Which program does this? I thought the partition editor would format the partition, but it only created it. Unless there is a option I am missing. Anyway, the usb creator does work well. Mike. From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Oct 28 16:01:38 2008 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:01:38 +0100 Subject: what program do I use in ubuntu to format a drive In-Reply-To: <0K9G00ITLH6Z91R2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K9G00ITLH6Z91R2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <49073762.7080906@pickup.hu> Dear List! Mike, if your usb stick is /dev/sdb1, the simplest way in terminal: Make sure your usb stick is not mounted. If you do not want erase the partition, enter following command: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 This command create an ext3 filesystem on your usb stick. I hope understand correct your letter. Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Tue Oct 28 18:28:23 2008 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (Jose Vilmar Estacio de souza) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:28:23 -0200 Subject: ibmtts and sound In-Reply-To: <87ej2053d2.fsf@brailcom.org> References: <4906FC51.7010503@informal.com.br> <87ej2053d2.fsf@brailcom.org> Message-ID: <490759C7.1070807@informal.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guyster at bex.net Tue Oct 28 19:08:04 2008 From: guyster at bex.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:08:04 -0400 Subject: ibmtts and sound Message-ID: <20081028120830.2732F7F8@dm52.mta.everyone.net> Hey there Jose, did you build gnome-speech from source? Just wondering how you got ibmtts support configured. I was going to ask a similar question, because I know there is not a package for ibmtts as there is for Cepstral and Dec-talk. I obviously know how to build gnome-speech from source, but I recall that there was something that had to be done to insure that pulseaudio integration was not broken. If someone has done this successfully, any tips and/or tricks would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much in advance and keep up the good work. I've seen some excellent progress thus far, and look forward to what will be done in intrepid+1. Thanks much in advance, Guy At 02:28 PM 10/28/2008, you wrote: >Hi, thanks for your answer. > >Forgive my stupid question: >How can I check that all applications in my system use alsa only? > >Another observation is that if I use espeak instead of ibmtts, orca >periodically loose speech, forcing me to restart orca manually. > >On 10/28/2008 10:08 AM, Jan Buchal wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"JVEds" == Jose Vilmar Estacio de souza >>>>>>> writes: >>>>>>> >> >> >> >> JVEds> Hi all, First of all I apologize because this list is >> JVEds> probably not the right location for this type of question. >> >> JVEds> I'm using ibmtts as my primary output synthesizer running >> JVEds> orca under intrepid with all updates. >> >> JVEds> Everything is working correctly except for the fact that I >> JVEds> can not hear sounds together with what is spoken by orca. >> >> JVEds> As an example, if someone sends me a message via pidgin, I >> JVEds> don't hear the alert sound given by pidgin. >> >> JVEds> If I change to espeak this doesn't happen. >> >> JVEds> Any idea on how to solve this problem? >>Maybe IBMTTS use OSS module. 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URL: From cerha at brailcom.org Tue Oct 28 20:36:39 2008 From: cerha at brailcom.org (Tomas Cerha) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:36:39 +0100 Subject: New developer In-Reply-To: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <513591.84958.qm@web54109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490777D7.8040403@brailcom.org> Tom Lloyd wrote: > Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using Ubuntu for= > three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK trained in Emb= > edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu= > ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher. Hello Tom, This sounds exciting. It might be an interesting option and I'd like to invite you to discuss this on the Speech Dispatcher mailing list, since similar ideas have been already touched there. Best regards, Tomas From alain at alain-joly.net Tue Oct 28 23:32:30 2008 From: alain at alain-joly.net (Alain Joly) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:32:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: Problem with Orca Message-ID: <20081029.003230.41641731.alain@alain-joly.net> Hello all, I would like first apologize if I sent a message to the wrong list. I'm French and I have perhaps not understood the real subject of this list. Please, if I'm wrong, could you give me a mailing list where I couldsubscribe ? For now I will try to quickly explain my problem. I'm a new Ubuntu user and also a new linux user. My configuration : Ubuntu version : 8.04 Hardy Heron Mother board : Asustek video : NVIDIA 128 Mb RAM : 1.5 Gb CPU : pentium 4 3.2 GHz My problem : In general, I cannot access to the different gnome desktop utilities because, when the software is launched and when the window is opened, orca doesn't to speak any more. For example : the window connexion (menu System/Administration/window connexion) Orca speaks and I can choose a menu. Then, when the window is open, Orca no longer speaks. When I close the window with "ctrl-F4, Orca speaks again. I've tried with other desktop utilities. Sometimes I can access to a window, but always with less or more difficulties. I've tried to disable my braille terminal (pappenmeier) but there is no change. What could I do ? Thanks in advance for your help. Alain From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Oct 29 01:13:43 2008 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: about the usb creator Message-ID: <0K9H0038A7EUA0S0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried different things with the UsB creator in intrepid today. What I found is that the system boots much faster if you use the fat file system. If you use fat 32 the system takes almost twice as long to boot. Mike. From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Oct 29 08:58:23 2008 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:58:23 +0100 Subject: Problem with Orca In-Reply-To: <20081029.003230.41641731.alain@alain-joly.net> References: <20081029.003230.41641731.alain@alain-joly.net> Message-ID: <490825AF.3030500@pickup.hu> Dear List! Luke, if you have a little time, possible upgrade your repository the gnome-orca-stable pacgage version (2.22.3) with 2.24.1 version? Attila From aerospace1028 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 12:55:46 2008 From: aerospace1028 at hotmail.com (aerospace1028 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:55:46 -0400 Subject: Problem with Orca Message-ID: hello Alain, >My problem : >In general, I cannot access to the different gnome desktop utilities because, when the software is launched and when the window is opened, orca doesn't >to speak any more. >For example : the window connexion (menu System/Administration/window connexion) >Orca speaks and I can choose a menu. Then, when the window is open, Orca no longer speaks. When I close the window with "ctrl-F4, Orca speaks again. It sounds like you have not modified orca to run administrative tasks. Someone more knowledgeable than I should probably explain about system administration in Gnu/Linux+Ubuntu, but the instructions that might address your problem may be found on the orca wiki (http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SysAdmin). I hope this helps. If this doesn't work, or you have trouble with the instructions, please let the list know, and we should be able to provide more assistance. _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 From terryjones130 at msn.com Thu Oct 30 08:47:55 2008 From: terryjones130 at msn.com (Terry Jones) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:47:55 -0500 Subject: Orca and KDE applications test. Users needed!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ThankYou terryjones130 at msn.comHello My name is Terry Jones. I am a programmer who has had double eye transplant surgery. I am 26. Ubuntu users a lot of them use both Gnome and KDE apps side by side. My default desktop is Gnome but I also use KDE as well. I have the full kde 3.5.9 desktop installed. I am testing Orca in 8.04.1 LTS Hardy Heron. I need a set of users to volunteer to test Orca with KDE 3.5 apps and KDE 4 Apps and report back to the mailing list how Orca worked and did not work with these apps. I tested the following applications. 1. Konqueror (Web Browser) 2. Amerok(Music Player) 3. Kontact (Personal Information Manager) In my early tests so far I found Orca was blind to KDE apps. That means Orca could not preform the following tesks. 1. Read aloud the keyboard strokes inside a KDE app and output a voice as feedback to inform the user of their input. 2. Could not tell the user when they closed a KDE app. 3. When reading a list of open apps and the apps are not minized to the taskbar the KDE apps would get skipped over. A. Please include the following in your reponse. 1. Name of volunteer. 2. Disability 3. The version Ubuntu/Kubuntu you are using. 4. The version of Gnome/KDE you are using. 5. Name of the application. 6. What did you want Orca to do? 7. How Orca worked. 8. How Orca did not work. B. Sample reponse 1. Name of volunteer. Terry Jones 2. Disability. Low vision 3. The version Ubuntu/Kubuntu you are using. Hardy Herdy Heron 8.04.1 LTS 4. The version of Gnome/KDE you are using. Gnome 2.24 KDE 3.5.9 5. Name of the application. Konqueror(Web Browser) 6. What did you want Orca to do? Read the current web page. 7. How Orca worked. Did not work at all. 8. How Orca did not work. Could not get Orca to read a web page in Konqueror. Please help so we can make Ubuntu's accessibilty work for all users and make the next version of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu even better. Please use this mailing list to post results of your experences in this effort. From: ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21> To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:00:08 +0000> > Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to> ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> ubuntu-accessibility-owner at lists.ubuntu.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: New developer (Tomas Cerha)> 2. Problem with Orca (Alain Joly)> 3. about the usb creator (mike)> 4. Re: Problem with Orca (Hammer Attila)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:36:39 +0100> From: Tomas Cerha > Subject: Re: New developer> To: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com> Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <490777D7.8040403 at brailcom.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Tom Lloyd wrote:> > Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using Ubuntu for=> > three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK trained in Emb=> > edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI into Ubu=> > ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech dispatcher.> > Hello Tom,> > This sounds exciting. It might be an interesting option and I'd like to> invite you to discuss this on the Speech Dispatcher mailing list, since> similar ideas have been already touched there.> > Best regards,> > Tomas> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:32:30 +0100 (CET)> From: Alain Joly > Subject: Problem with Orca> To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20081029.003230.41641731.alain at alain-joly.net>> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii> > Hello all,> I would like first apologize if I sent a message to the wrong list.> I'm French and I have perhaps not understood the real subject of this list.> Please, if I'm wrong, could you give me a mailing list where I couldsubscribe ?> For now I will try to quickly explain my problem.> I'm a new Ubuntu user and also a new linux user.> My configuration :> Ubuntu version : 8.04 Hardy Heron> Mother board : Asustek> video : NVIDIA 128 Mb> RAM : 1.5 Gb> CPU : pentium 4 3.2 GHz> > My problem :> In general, I cannot access to the different gnome desktop utilities because, when the software is launched and when the window is opened, orca doesn't to speak any more.> For example : the window connexion (menu System/Administration/window connexion)> Orca speaks and I can choose a menu. Then, when the window is open, Orca no longer speaks. When I close the window with "ctrl-F4, Orca speaks again.> I've tried with other desktop utilities. Sometimes I can access to a window, but always with less or more difficulties.> I've tried to disable my braille terminal (pappenmeier) but there is no change.> What could I do ?> Thanks in advance for your help.> > Alain> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:13:43 -0500 (CDT)> From: "mike" > Subject: about the usb creator> To: "ubuntu" > Message-ID: <0K9H0038A7EUA0S0 at vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>> > Hi, I tried different things with the UsB creator in intrepid today.> What I found is that the system boots much faster if you use the fat file system. If you use fat 32 the system takes almost twice as long to boot.> Mike.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:58:23 +0100> From: Hammer Attila > Subject: Re: Problem with Orca> To: Alain Joly > Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <490825AF.3030500 at pickup.hu>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed> > Dear List!> > Luke, if you have a little time, possible upgrade your repository the > gnome-orca-stable pacgage version (2.22.3) with 2.24.1 version?> > Attila> > > > ------------------------------> > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility> > > End of Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21> **************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From William.Walker at Sun.COM Thu Oct 30 12:23:42 2008 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:23:42 -0400 Subject: Orca and KDE applications test. Users needed!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Terry: KDE/Qt currently does not participate in the AT-SPI infrastructure and thus will be inaccessible via Orca. Work is underway to migrate AT-SPI from CORBA to D-Bus (see http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/ATK/AT-SPI/AT-SPI_on_D- Bus). When that is ready, the KDE/Qt work to support AT-SPI can begin. In the meantime, your best solution for free open source accessibility is GNOME. Hope this helps, Will On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:47 AM, Terry Jones wrote: > > > ThankYou terryjones130 at msn.com > > Hello  My name is Terry Jones. I am a programmer who has had double > eye transplant surgery. I am 26. Ubuntu users a lot of them use both > Gnome and KDE apps side by side. My default desktop is Gnome but > I also use KDE as well. I have the full kde 3.5.9 desktop > installed. I am testing Orca in 8.04.1 LTS Hardy Heron. I need a set > of users to volunteer to test Orca with KDE 3.5 apps and KDE 4 Apps > and report back to the mailing list how Orca  worked and did not > work with these apps.  >   > I tested the following applications.  > 1. Konqueror (Web Browser) > 2. Amerok(Music Player)  > 3. Kontact (Personal Information Manager) >   > In my early tests so far I found Orca was blind to KDE apps. That > means Orca could not preform the following tesks. > 1. Read aloud the keyboard strokes inside a KDE app and output a > voice as feedback to inform the user of their input. > 2. Could not tell the user when they closed a KDE app. > 3. When reading a list of open apps and the apps are not minized to > the taskbar the KDE apps would get skipped over. >   > A. Please include the following in your reponse. > 1. Name of volunteer. > 2. Disability > 3. The version Ubuntu/Kubuntu you are using. > 4. The version of Gnome/KDE you are using. > 5.  Name of the application. > 6. What did you want Orca to do? > 7. How Orca worked. > 8. How Orca did not work.   >   > B. Sample reponse > 1. Name of volunteer.                                  Terry Jones > 2. Disability. Low vision > 3. The version Ubuntu/Kubuntu you are using.  Hardy Herdy Heron > 8.04.1 LTS > 4. The version of Gnome/KDE you are using.     Gnome  2.24 KDE 3.5.9 > 5. Name of the application.                           Konqueror(Web > Browser) > 6. What did you want Orca to do?                  Read the current > web page. > 7. How Orca worked.                                   Did not work at > all.  > 8. How Orca did not work.                            Could not get > Orca to read a web page in Konqueror. >   > Please help so we can make Ubuntu's accessibilty work for all users > and make the next version of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu even better. > Please use this mailing list to post results of your experences in > this effort.    > > From: ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21 > > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:00:08 +0000 > > > > Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to > > ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > ubuntu-accessibility-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: New developer (Tomas Cerha) > > 2. Problem with Orca (Alain Joly) > > 3. about the usb creator (mike) > > 4. Re: Problem with Orca (Hammer Attila) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:36:39 +0100 > > From: Tomas Cerha > > Subject: Re: New developer > > To: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com > > Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > Message-ID: <490777D7.8040403 at brailcom.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Tom Lloyd wrote: > > > Just wanted to say Hi and to get myself known. I have been using > Ubuntu for= > > > three or so years. I am a 26 year old developer from the UK > trained in Emb= > > > edded / Realtime systems. As a side project I am intergrating SAPI > into Ubu= > > > ntu to gives access to the MS speech engines using speech > dispatcher. > > > > Hello Tom, > > > > This sounds exciting. It might be an interesting option and I'd like > to > > invite you to discuss this on the Speech Dispatcher mailing list, > since > > similar ideas have been already touched there. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Tomas > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:32:30 +0100 (CET) > > From: Alain Joly > > Subject: Problem with Orca > > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > Message-ID: <20081029.003230.41641731.alain at alain-joly.net> > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hello all, > > I would like first apologize if I sent a message to the wrong list. > > I'm French and I have perhaps not understood the real subject of > this list. > > Please, if I'm wrong, could you give me a mailing list where I > couldsubscribe ? > > For now I will try to quickly explain my problem. > > I'm a new Ubuntu user and also a new linux user. > > My configuration : > > Ubuntu version : 8.04 Hardy Heron > > Mother board : Asustek > > video : NVIDIA 128 Mb > > RAM : 1.5 Gb > > CPU : pentium 4 3.2 GHz > > > > My problem : > > In general, I cannot access to the different gnome desktop utilities > because, when the software is launched and when the window is opened, > orca doesn't to speak any more. > > For example : the window connexion (menu > System/Administration/window connexion) > > Orca speaks and I can choose a menu. Then, when the window is open, > Orca no longer speaks. When I close the window with "ctrl-F4, Orca > speaks again. > > I've tried with other desktop utilities. Sometimes I can access to a > window, but always with less or more difficulties. > > I've tried to disable my braille terminal (pappenmeier) but there is > no change. > > What could I do ? > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > Alain > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:13:43 -0500 (CDT) > > From: "mike" > > Subject: about the usb creator > > To: "ubuntu" > > Message-ID: <0K9H0038A7EUA0S0 at vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> > > > > Hi, I tried different things with the UsB creator in intrepid today. > > What I found is that the system boots much faster if you use the fat > file system. If you use fat 32 the system takes almost twice as long > to boot. > > Mike. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:58:23 +0100 > > From: Hammer Attila > > Subject: Re: Problem with Orca > > To: Alain Joly > > Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > Message-ID: <490825AF.3030500 at pickup.hu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed > > > > Dear List! > > > > Luke, if you have a little time, possible upgrade your repository the > > gnome-orca-stable pacgage version (2.22.3) with 2.24.1 version? > > > > Attila > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > > > > End of Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21 > > **************************************************** > > > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on > the go. See Now -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 21782 bytes Desc: not available URL: From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at Thu Oct 30 18:11:20 2008 From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:11:20 +0200 Subject: workaround for installing ubuntu 8.10? Message-ID: <490A14E8.30330.218D5B0@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at> Hi all, I am Simon from Austria. I am new in this list but I installed and used Ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 before. I also used Debian for my old server a few years ago. So I know a little bit about linux but i am still a newbie somehow. :-) I saw in the archive that there are some issues with the ubuntu installer in the official release. Are we able actually to install ubuntu 8.10 somehow or does it not work? Greetings from Austria, Simon From chmiel at phil.muni.cz Thu Oct 30 19:31:47 2008 From: chmiel at phil.muni.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:31:47 +0100 Subject: workaround for installing ubuntu 8.10? References: <490A14E8.30330.218D5B0@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at> Message-ID: Oh Yes, Only Ubuntu 8.04 hardy Heron was able to automatically launch installation program from A boot menu, when user pressed F5, choosed accessibility choice for running orca, pressed enter again and thenn user choosed install by pressing down arrow for once. But because probably At-spi architecture is working differently for Intrepid, todays live CD version of Ubuntu, it will be necessary to launch installation program as A root user. In earlyer versions, users had reverse problem, Orca runned as a Ubuntu user, and installation program run like a Root. Now, is probably all working viceversa, but problem is similar, Orca and installation program are working as A different user accounts. There is may be one possibility. Please, try to normally boot to A gnome without trying to access accessibility options by pressing F5. After Gnome will be completely loaded in The RAM, press Alt+F2, run Orca, complete setup questions, do not answer yes when Orca will ask You to logout, press Enter key instead and then press CTRL+ALT+Backspace to restart our popular Xserver, Gnome. After Gnome will be loaded, run Orca again, YOu should hear The Speech. Then try to type exactly A following command to The edit field inside run application dialog box accessed by pressing ALT+F2. sudo ubiquity --desktop %kgtk_ui Will Orca provide speech support inside installation program? If no, try to create The desktop icon in Gnome and save this link to a USB flash drive, and try to use command line which I wrought previously for creating this desktop icon. If You will not be able to use installation program, try The last think, run The command from A terminal window, Activate this Window by activating run application dialog box and type gnome-terminal And when terminal window will appear, type A command, which I described previously. Please if someone will receive error, describe this here, please provide Me a Feetback. The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel From chmiel at phil.muni.cz Thu Oct 30 19:57:45 2008 From: chmiel at phil.muni.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:57:45 +0100 Subject: how to enable braille support in latest live CD builds of Ubuntu? References: <490A14E8.30330.218D5B0@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at> Message-ID: <0492E5000B3B4138923C4D4570A63A08@fadcf5b6ef56488> Dear users, If You will enable button in The Orca preferences menu for enable braille support, Orca will work with Your braille display, if Your model is supported by Brltty. To enable Brltty support, run Gnome-terminal and type sudo brltty. Then Orca should support your braille display. Brltty is not automatically started during booting up to A live CD. If somebody of us is also suffering because of strange error dialog box while intensively working with Espeak and Ubuntu live CD, I Am recommending You to install Speechdispatcher as soon as possible when you will install Ubuntu on to harddisk. Do not use Espeak, try to use Festival database rather. Or use some commercial modules, such as IBM synthesizers or module, which is developed by a development team of Oralux project. Oralux WEB site contained after more than 8 months free version of Gnu/Linux based on Knoppix and with several console oriented screen readers, such as Speakup or yasr. Emacs has been also included. But now, The developers are selling module for Gnome for accessing several speech synthesizers. I did not chance to compare their module with Speechdispatcher. Speechdispatcher is working very reliably, only with Espeak is causing error. Espeak is causing random crashes in Linux, it is not important, if users are using Espeak driver for Gnome, or if Screen Reader is using Speechdispatcher for controlling Espeak. It is very strange, because Espeak is working very reliably aand stably in Windows XP, it sapi5 variants is not causing problems. So The cause is probably inside audio subsystems in Linux. But probably only programmer, who is familiar with Assembler can solve so complex issue. But also users could help by sending error reports.