From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Tue Dec 1 10:38:42 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:08:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: a question about the new ubuntu lynx In-Reply-To: <0KTX00HDRJX5C0C2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KTX00HDRJX5C0C2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <420108.31637.qm@web94909.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, Haven't tried it yet. Decided to wait until few other packages are synced. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: mike To: ubuntu Sent: Mon, 30 November, 2009 9:47:29 PM Subject: a question about the new ubuntu lynx Hi has anyone tried any of the live images for lynx yet? I was thinking about starting to work with it and wondered if sound is working yet or not. I hope this will be better than the last release. I have had constant problems with speech stoping. 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Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: mike To: ubuntu Sent: Mon, 30 November, 2009 9:47:29 PM Subject: a question about the new ubuntu lynx Hi has anyone tried any of the live images for lynx yet? I was thinking about starting to work with it and wondered if sound is working yet or not. I hope this will be better than the last release. I have had constant problems with speech stoping. Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Wed Dec 2 06:08:36 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:38:36 +0530 (IST) Subject: Orca Build with new pyatspi release Message-ID: <330501.35287.qm@web94907.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, Orca builds on lucid fails with missing pyatspi module error. This might be due to the newer pyatspi upstream release (1.29.2-0ubuntu1). Any workarounds / patches would be greatly appreciated. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 19:10:52 2009 From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0500 Subject: espeakup in karmic Message-ID: <1260040252.2797.8.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Hi, I installed espeakup from the repos. Before, when I just compiled it, I got it to autostart by adding a line to /etc/init.d/rc.local. After installing from the repos though, it starts automatically with out the modification to rc.local. The thing is, when I start it I would like it to use the US English voice. It was easy to do in rc.local, just add --default-voice en-us to the command. Is there a way to change it with this new way of starting it? Thanks Storm -- Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ What color dragon are you? http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Dec 5 21:53:13 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:53:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: speech stoping in karmic Message-ID: <0KU700A3X8SOFJR6@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I seem to be having more and more trouble with orca just stoping in karmic. Is there any way to restart it with out rebooting the computer? Just restarting orca doesn't work most of the time. Also, will any farther work be done to correct this? Or is this going to be fixed in lynx? Thanks Mike. From vilmar at informal.com.br Sat Dec 5 23:43:06 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (jose vilmar estacio de souza) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:43:06 -0200 Subject: speech stoping in karmic In-Reply-To: <0KU700A3X8SOFJR6@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KU700A3X8SOFJR6@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4B1AF00A.2040400@informal.com.br> Hi, Instead of reboot, try to kill speech-dispatcher. killall speech-dispatcher []S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza http://www.informal.com.br Msn:vilmar at informal.com.br Skype:jvilmar Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jvesouza Phone: +55 21-2555-2650 Cel: +55 21-8868-0859 On 12/05/2009 07:53 PM, mike wrote: > Hi, I seem to be having more and more trouble with orca just stoping in karmic. Is there any way to restart it with out rebooting the computer? Just restarting orca doesn't work most of the time. Also, will any farther work be done to correct this? Or is this going to be fixed in lynx? > Thanks Mike. > > From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Dec 7 02:54:39 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:54:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: a question about speakup and jaunty Message-ID: <0KU9006XCHF2UA7K@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Ok, like several others I finely went back to jaunty today. I didn't want to, but speech in karmic has just been to touchy. I thought I had it fixed, and it quit again when I was in the middle of something. Lets hope lynx is going to be better. Anyway, my question is, is there a easy way to install speakup in jaunty? That was one thing I did like about karmic. Speakup was very easy to install and setup. Thanks Mike. From mj at mjw.se Mon Dec 7 14:43:50 2009 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:43:50 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 9.10 Message-ID: <000001ca774b$b143e5f0$d713e255@jonsson2> Can i install ubuntu server 9.10 with help of brltty? Or are it still not there From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Dec 9 08:26:03 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:26:03 +0100 Subject: In lucid, Orca does'nt found and import pyatspi module, but python-pyatspi package is installed Message-ID: <4B1F5F1B.1030700@pickup.hu> Dear list, Possible this is early, but I would like try and testing current Lucid daily live cd. When I choosed accessible profile with screen reader support, the boot is completed correct, the login sound I hear correct, but Orca does'nt launched. I run orca -v command with gnome-terminal window, and see following error message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/orca.py", line 54, in import mouse_review File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/mouse_review.py", line 28, in import debug File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/debug.py", line 32, in import pyatspi ImportError: No module named pyatspi Why not found and import Orca the pyatspi module? python-pyatspy package are installed with the cd. If this is help, I open a bugreport with this problem. The bug report link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+bug/494362 Attila From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Wed Dec 9 09:23:04 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:53:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: In lucid, Orca does'nt found and import pyatspi module, but python-pyatspi package is installed In-Reply-To: <4B1F5F1B.1030700@pickup.hu> References: <4B1F5F1B.1030700@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <552006.76452.qm@web94916.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Attila, Looks like something went wrong in the last upload of at-spi. Noticed this problem last week and trying to reach Luke to get this problem resolved. Luke, if you have time please have look at bug 491327 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi/+bug/491327 Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Hammer Attila > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Wed, 9 December, 2009 1:56:03 PM > Subject: In lucid, Orca does'nt found and import pyatspi module, but python-pyatspi package is installed > > Dear list, > > Possible this is early, but I would like try and testing current Lucid > daily live cd. > > When I choosed accessible profile with screen reader support, the boot > is completed correct, the login sound I hear correct, but Orca does'nt > launched. > I run orca -v command with gnome-terminal window, and see following > error message: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/orca.py", line 54, in > import mouse_review > File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/mouse_review.py", line 28, in > > import debug > File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/orca/debug.py", line 32, in > import pyatspi > ImportError: No module named pyatspi > > Why not found and import Orca the pyatspi module? python-pyatspy package > are installed with the cd. > > If this is help, I open a bugreport with this problem. The bug report > link is following: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+bug/494362 > > Attila > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Dec 9 14:57:59 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:57:59 +0100 Subject: Thunderbird 3.0 is comed out Message-ID: <4B1FBAF7.3020804@pickup.hu> Dear List, Final Thunderbird 3.0 is publicated. My question is following: Thunderbird 3.0 is packaging in future with Lucid, or this is happen with Lucid+1 Ubuntu release? Thanks, Attila From jkenn337 at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 01:10:12 2009 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:10:12 -0500 Subject: orca out of the box Message-ID: <7A0EAA4CB2814275B8162ACF5B313538@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Hi, I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more like the mac with voiceover kind of. Josh My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 follow-me-on-twitter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Fri Dec 11 05:29:32 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:59:32 +0530 (IST) Subject: orca out of the box In-Reply-To: <7A0EAA4CB2814275B8162ACF5B313538@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> References: <7A0EAA4CB2814275B8162ACF5B313538@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Message-ID: <150408.78424.qm@web94904.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Josh, Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca screen reader and magnifier. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the%20Live%20CD Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > >From: Josh >To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM >Subject: orca out of the box > > > >Hi, > >I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd >starts up it should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to >start the live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it >more like the mac with voiceover kind of. > >Josh > >My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab >Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 >follow-me-on-twitter. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isaac at porat.me.uk Fri Dec 11 07:19:20 2009 From: isaac at porat.me.uk (Isaac Porat) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:19:20 -0000 Subject: orca out of the box In-Reply-To: <150408.78424.qm@web94904.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <7A0EAA4CB2814275B8162ACF5B313538@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> <150408.78424.qm@web94904.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Arki and all Your reply implies that all is well, in fact those who tried speech with Karmic knows that it is for all practical purposes unusable. It is my impression that even geeks can't get it to work reliably PulseAudio is too deeply embedded into the system and it seems that those looking after audio in Canonical never considered the impact of this on the blind community. There is a bold statement about accessibility on Ubuntu's website but it seems to have no roots in reality at least with Karmic. Jaunty had at least a clean way to remove PulseAudio and in fact it is the first distro I can use as a blind person productively - thanks to all concerned. Karmic is completely the other way - unusable. Yes I am aware of the various tweaks with limited effect and completely unworkable for the typical blind Windows or Mac user looking for an alternative. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic When Karmic was released I thought this problem was a glitch, an oversight which will be sorted out; there are no visible sighnes of this yet, at least nothing that the blind community is aware of. Regards Isaac -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Arky Sent: 11 December 2009 05:30 To: Josh; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: orca out of the box Hi Josh, Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca screen reader and magnifier. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the% 20Live%20CD Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com From: Josh To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM Subject: orca out of the box Hi, I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more like the mac with voiceover kind of. Josh My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 follow-me-on-twitter. ________________________________ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage . From vilmar at informal.com.br Fri Dec 11 12:49:08 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (jose vilmar estacio de souza) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:49:08 -0200 Subject: java applications in karmic Message-ID: <4B223FC4.5040403@informal.com.br> Hi all, Is it possible access swing applications using orca under karmic? What I need to install? Thanks. -- []S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza http://www.informal.com.br Msn:vilmar at informal.com.br Skype:jvilmar Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jvesouza Phone: +55 21-2555-2650 Cel: +55 21-8868-0859 From waywardgeek at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 14:07:04 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:07:04 -0500 Subject: orca out of the box In-Reply-To: References: <7A0EAA4CB2814275B8162ACF5B313538@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> <150408.78424.qm@web94904.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <499d69a00912110607y7fa7229bi72341bc5b43f51c9@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Arki, and thanks for working on the bugs. I think there are a few of us who would like to help get Orca working well in Lucid. I've installed alpha1, and have run into the pyatspi bug you know about. Any help getting Orca working well is appreciated. I'm comfortable debugging C code, but I don't understand the whole D-bus/atspi/COBRA stuff at all, or even if that's where the bug lies. Another issue with continues to be pulseaudio. Disabling it with the .pulse_a11y_nostart hack leads to far superior audio performance. Do you think we have time to fix the pulseaudio problems for Lucid, or should we focus on making the accessibility install with pulseaudio disabled less buggy and more usable? I'd like to help track down bugs in Lucid related to accessibility from now until the April release. Thanks, Bill On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Isaac Porat wrote: > Hello Arki and all > >  Your reply implies that all is well, in fact those who tried speech with > Karmic knows that it is for all practical purposes unusable.  It is my > impression that even geeks can't get it to work reliably PulseAudio is too > deeply embedded into the system and it seems that those looking after audio > in Canonical never considered the impact of this on the blind community. > There is a bold statement about accessibility on Ubuntu's website but it > seems to have no roots in reality at least with Karmic. > > Jaunty had at least a clean way to remove PulseAudio and in fact it is the > first distro I can use as a blind person productively - thanks to all > concerned.  Karmic is completely the other way - unusable. > > Yes I am aware of the various tweaks with limited effect and completely > unworkable for the typical blind Windows or Mac user looking for an > alternative. >  http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > When Karmic was released I thought this problem  was a glitch, an oversight > which will be sorted out; there are no visible sighnes of this yet, at least > nothing that the blind community is aware of. > > Regards > Isaac > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Arky > Sent: 11 December 2009 05:30 > To: Josh; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: orca out of the box > > Hi Josh, > > Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca > screen reader and magnifier. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the% > 20Live%20CD > > Cheers > > --arky > > > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | > Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > >        From: Josh >        To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >        Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM >        Subject: orca out of the box > > >        Hi, > >        I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it > should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the > live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more > like the mac with voiceover kind of. > >        Josh > >        My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango > at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab > Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 > follow-me-on-twitter. > > > ________________________________ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage > . > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Fri Dec 11 15:36:30 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:06:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: orca out of the box In-Reply-To: <499d69a00912110607y7fa7229bi72341bc5b43f51c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7A0EAA4CB2814275B8162ACF5B313538@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> <150408.78424.qm@web94904.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00912110607y7fa7229bi72341bc5b43f51c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <371293.81071.qm@web94915.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi all, That's wonderful! We need all the help we can get. Right now Luke is doing most of the work. :( At this moment I am trying out various mainline kernels to get a glitch-free audio. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/479375 Somehow I haven't given up on Pulseaudio yet, we can try to get the performance on par with alsa/oss driver. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill Cox > To: Isaac Porat > Cc: Arky ; Josh ; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 7:37:04 PM > Subject: Re: orca out of the box > > Hi, Arki, and thanks for working on the bugs. I think there are a few > of us who would like to help get Orca working well in Lucid. I've > installed alpha1, and have run into the pyatspi bug you know about. > Any help getting Orca working well is appreciated. I'm comfortable > debugging C code, but I don't understand the whole D-bus/atspi/COBRA > stuff at all, or even if that's where the bug lies. > > Another issue with continues to be pulseaudio. Disabling it with the > .pulse_a11y_nostart hack leads to far superior audio performance. Do > you think we have time to fix the pulseaudio problems for Lucid, or > should we focus on making the accessibility install with pulseaudio > disabled less buggy and more usable? I'd like to help track down bugs > in Lucid related to accessibility from now until the April release. > > Thanks, > Bill > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Isaac Porat wrote: > > Hello Arki and all > > > > Your reply implies that all is well, in fact those who tried speech with > > Karmic knows that it is for all practical purposes unusable. It is my > > impression that even geeks can't get it to work reliably PulseAudio is too > > deeply embedded into the system and it seems that those looking after audio > > in Canonical never considered the impact of this on the blind community. > > There is a bold statement about accessibility on Ubuntu's website but it > > seems to have no roots in reality at least with Karmic. > > > > Jaunty had at least a clean way to remove PulseAudio and in fact it is the > > first distro I can use as a blind person productively - thanks to all > > concerned. Karmic is completely the other way - unusable. > > > > Yes I am aware of the various tweaks with limited effect and completely > > unworkable for the typical blind Windows or Mac user looking for an > > alternative. > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > > When Karmic was released I thought this problem was a glitch, an oversight > > which will be sorted out; there are no visible sighnes of this yet, at least > > nothing that the blind community is aware of. > > > > Regards > > Isaac > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Arky > > Sent: 11 December 2009 05:30 > > To: Josh; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: orca out of the box > > > > Hi Josh, > > > > Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca > > screen reader and magnifier. > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the% > > 20Live%20CD > > > > Cheers > > > > --arky > > > > > > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | > > Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > From: Josh > > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM > > Subject: orca out of the box > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it > > should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the > > live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more > > like the mac with voiceover kind of. > > > > Josh > > > > My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango > > at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab > > Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 > > follow-me-on-twitter. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage > > . > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ From jkenn337 at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 02:15:07 2009 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:15:07 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 9.10 vm help Message-ID: Hi, I've set up a Ubuntu 9.10 virtual machine on my netbook. First I have no way of telling when the boot screen comes up so I can choose accessibility. So anyway it logs in, I hit alt f2 type orca, hit enter and set it up. then it asks me to log out I hit y and enter. it logs out. now I'm stuck. after a while I hear three quick drum beats. now what do I type? better yet can a beep be added so I know when I'm at the boot screen? and do I type username hit enter or password, enter, or do I hit tab to move to the next edit field? I wish Ubuntu talked from the beginning like the apple computers talk from startup almost. I'm glad also I'm running in a virtual machine that way my host OS is still fine. Josh My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 follow-me-on-twitter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.hunt2 at verizon.net Sat Dec 12 03:21:52 2009 From: dave.hunt2 at verizon.net (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:21:52 -0500 Subject: MP3 Streams no longer play now that I've upgraded to Karmic Message-ID: <4B230C50.2020106@verizon.net> Hi, I did a net upgrade of a Jaunty system to Karmic. In the Jaunty, I had removed all things pulse audio and had all desired sounds in Alsa. Since upgrading to Karmic, playing a stream in Totem movie player no longer works. There is a status line that says "playhing". Do I need to set up Pulseaudio to have this functionality again? By The Way, embedded flash sounds on web pages do play, as do the sound events in Pidgin. Thanks, Dave From dave.hunt2 at verizon.net Sat Dec 12 03:41:52 2009 From: dave.hunt2 at verizon.net (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:41:52 -0500 Subject: MP3 Streams no longer play now that I've upgraded to Karmic In-Reply-To: <4B230C50.2020106@verizon.net> References: <4B230C50.2020106@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4B231100.8060307@verizon.net> Removed ".pulse_a11y_nostart from my home directory, and set autospawn to 'yes' in ~/.pulse/client.conf. Going to try this, with synth set to flite. On 12/11/2009 10:21 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I did a net upgrade of a Jaunty system to Karmic. In the Jaunty, I had > removed all things pulse audio and had all desired sounds in Alsa. > Since upgrading to Karmic, playing a stream in Totem movie player no > longer works. There is a status line that says "playhing". Do I need > to set up Pulseaudio to have this functionality again? By The Way, > embedded flash sounds on web pages do play, as do the sound events in > Pidgin. > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > > > From waywardgeek at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 12:45:06 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:45:06 -0500 Subject: Unacceptable delay in pulseaudio continues in Lucid Message-ID: <499d69a00912120445t6b0b8584v65a5728fee0ba593@mail.gmail.com> When pulseaudio is enabled, all sound is delayed on the order of 1/2 seconds, which makes Orca a nightmare to use for blind users. It's completely unacceptable for a main machine. When pulseaudio is disabled, speech performance is great. I filed a bug about this in November: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs at lists.ubuntu.com/msg1823018.html However, there's no progress on this issue so far. My question is: Are we going to be able to fix the unacceptable delay in pulseaudio before Lucid releases in April, or should blind/VI users instead focus on finding workarounds for all the bugs that now exist when pulseaudio is disabled? I know the "right" answer is to fix pulseaudio. What I'm looking for is the practical solution that will actually exist in April. If anyone knows how to begin tracking down the pulseaudio delay problem, let me know and I'll take a look. For now, I have no idea. Thanks, Bill From pmikeal at comcast.net Sat Dec 12 14:36:35 2009 From: pmikeal at comcast.net (Pia) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:36:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: speakup kernel and modules In-Reply-To: <499d69a00912120445t6b0b8584v65a5728fee0ba593@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a00912120445t6b0b8584v65a5728fee0ba593@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Greetings, I am wondering why Ubuntu has decided not to make a binary package of a speakup kernel and modules. I and a lot of other blind people would really benefit from it. Many other distros distribute binary versions of speakup kernels and so it was always odd to me that the most user oriented distro would not distribute one. So, I figured there may be a reason. Please let me know if it is just a matter of finding someone to package one. I would like to volunteer to help but trying to get on as an actual developer with Ubuntu does not look very easy. That is good in a way because it means you are more likely to get quality packages that are not suspicious, but also means that I don't haven't found time to go through the whole application process. I would like to see a binary package of speakup though. If this is possible that would be wonderful, but if there is a reason why Ubuntu is not doing this, that would also be good to know. Thanks, Pia From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 14:45:29 2009 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:45:29 -0500 Subject: ubuntu 9.10 vm help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B23AC89.1080305@gmail.com> Running from a virtual machine does make it harder to know when to take steps to turn on the accessibility options because there's no CD that will start spinning at the right time. However, I think the boot prompt gives you about 30 seconds, so if you wait about 10 to 15 seconds after you start the VM, you should be able to enter the key sequence and everything should work as advertised. Kyle -- Jesus you're my life. I live only to serve You Each and every day. --Kyle From waywardgeek at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 15:21:44 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:21:44 -0500 Subject: Latest source for pulseaudio works great! Message-ID: <499d69a00912120721g46dc2a88w624d810aba466c87@mail.gmail.com> I downloaded from git the latest pulseaudio repository and recompiled on Ubntu Lucid. The speech performance is excellent! There are several goobers that we already had when disabling pulseaudio: the volume control disappears, the volume starts muted after boot, and I'm sure the other usual stuff. Based on this, I'm strongly recommending that Ubuntu update to the latest pulseaudio for Lucid! The current 1/2 second delay makes Ubuntu terrible for anyone who needs a screen reader (Orca). Updating packages should fix this! Bill From jkenn337 at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 16:32:39 2009 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:32:39 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu Karmik in virtual machine Message-ID: <62E2B39379A04336954F8D8C983133B0@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Hi, I started Ubuntu Karmik in the virtual machine booting it from the .iso file I downloaded as a guest in windowws xp with 512mb of ram. I don't know when the boot screen appears because I'm blind and cannot see the screen. The only sighted person in my house is 2-years old, too young to read the screen and tell me what's going on. I need some audio queues to tell me when the boot screen coomes up, some shortcut to activate Orca. I got it talking from the live cd iso last night but that was by accident. I tried 3 or 4 times with no success. Can you please make Ubuntu as user-friendly as the mac is? accessibility should begin at the boot menu whether it be beeps to confirm the screen is up double beeps for keypresses different pitched beeps to let me know accessibility has been activated etcetera. I really want to install and try Ubuntu in the vm I created for it but cannot because I can't get Orca talking. last night it talked but it wanted me to log out and log back in. maybe when accessibility is selected different gnome sounds are also loaded or something. Josh My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 follow-me-on-twitter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waywardgeek at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 16:57:20 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:57:20 -0500 Subject: [pulseaudio-discuss] Latest source for pulseaudio works great! In-Reply-To: <604760770912120728v64e06d5egc909251c6c86f8f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a00912120721g46dc2a88w624d810aba466c87@mail.gmail.com> <604760770912120728v64e06d5egc909251c6c86f8f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499d69a00912120857l37f812b2t2d8b38137cf5dd9d@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, Dan, and others I hastily spammed... pulseaudio compiles and installs just fine on my system, but doesn't run! It exits with this message: E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-dbus-protocol": file not found Without pulseaudio, alsa takes over and of course we get back to the good Orca performance I'm use to. I'll switch back to the version in Ubuntu and see if I can find anything there. Let me know if I can help you track down the delay issue. Thanks, Bill On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Daniel Chen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Bill Cox wrote: >> I downloaded from git the latest pulseaudio repository and recompiled >> on Ubntu Lucid.  The speech performance is excellent!  There are >> several goobers that we already had when disabling pulseaudio: the >> volume control disappears, the volume starts muted after boot, and I'm >> sure the other usual stuff. > > Tracking origin/master is not the same as the latest stable -- 0.9.21, > which is in Lucid -- but I'm highly keen to narrow down what the > source of performance differences is.  How are you compiling?  Which > build-dependencies do you have installed? > >> Based on this, I'm strongly recommending that Ubuntu update to the >> latest pulseaudio for Lucid!  The current 1/2 second delay makes >> Ubuntu terrible for anyone who needs a screen reader (Orca).  Updating >> packages should fix this! > > As explained above, Ubuntu already carries the latest stable, and the > differences to origin/master HEAD aren't significant (other than dbus, > eq). > > -Dan > _______________________________________________ > pulseaudio-discuss mailing list > pulseaudio-discuss at mail.0pointer.de > https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss > From thomaslloyd at yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 23:52:00 2009 From: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com (Thomas Lloyd) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:52:00 +0000 Subject: Karmic Praise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1260661920.21299.17.camel@DualCore910.lan> I want to befend karmic as not being so horrible and useless as everyone likes to make out. In my opinion pulse audio has been a great addition to Ubuntu. For my project open-sapi now out performs e-speak making for a smooth and responsive desktop experience when using text to speech with orca. I want to say thanks to Luke and Canonical for all their hard work and as the whole world does they have a tight time scale and not enough man power to do everything. They are learning as they go along and other projects are following in their wake as they push the boundaries each time they make a release. Accessibility projects as renowned for being on the back foot and again that is much the case here. Once the adoption of pulse audio is made then the assistive technology projects will follow. Tom From aruni100 at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 04:29:07 2009 From: aruni100 at gmail.com (Aruni Sharma) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:59:07 +0530 Subject: orca out of the box In-Reply-To: References: <7A0EAA4CB2814275B8162ACF5B313538@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> <150408.78424.qm@web94904.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B246D93.3020800@gmail.com> Hi, I have done the following and am using karmic without any hassles. in fact it's better than previous distros as far as responsiveness is concerned: #apt-get install alsa-oss #apt-get purge pulseaudio. Thanks, Aruni. On 12/11/2009 12:49 PM, Isaac Porat wrote: > Hello Arki and all > > Your reply implies that all is well, in fact those who tried speech with > Karmic knows that it is for all practical purposes unusable. It is my > impression that even geeks can't get it to work reliably PulseAudio is too > deeply embedded into the system and it seems that those looking after audio > in Canonical never considered the impact of this on the blind community. > There is a bold statement about accessibility on Ubuntu's website but it > seems to have no roots in reality at least with Karmic. > > Jaunty had at least a clean way to remove PulseAudio and in fact it is the > first distro I can use as a blind person productively - thanks to all > concerned. Karmic is completely the other way - unusable. > > Yes I am aware of the various tweaks with limited effect and completely > unworkable for the typical blind Windows or Mac user looking for an > alternative. > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuKarmic > When Karmic was released I thought this problem was a glitch, an oversight > which will be sorted out; there are no visible sighnes of this yet, at least > nothing that the blind community is aware of. > > Regards > Isaac > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Arky > Sent: 11 December 2009 05:30 > To: Josh; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: orca out of the box > > Hi Josh, > > Ubuntu LiveCD has an accessibility mode that enables blind users to use Orca > screen reader and magnifier. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the% > 20Live%20CD > > Cheers > > --arky > > > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | > Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > > From: Josh > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:40:12 AM > Subject: orca out of the box > > > Hi, > > I think in the next release when ubuntu live cd/dvd starts up it > should detect the sound card then say: if you're blind do this to start the > live cd with orca and dothat to start the installer with orca. make it more > like the mac with voiceover kind of. > > Josh > > My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango > at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab > Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 > follow-me-on-twitter. > > > ________________________________ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage > . > > > From aruni100 at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 05:25:40 2009 From: aruni100 at gmail.com (Aruni Sharma) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:55:40 +0530 Subject: Karmic Praise In-Reply-To: <1260661920.21299.17.camel@DualCore910.lan> References: <1260661920.21299.17.camel@DualCore910.lan> Message-ID: <4B247AD4.7080107@gmail.com> Hello, I also feel that karmic is quite accessible and friendly facilitating a smooth and pleasant desktop experience. by the way, is opensapi become usable with orca without problems. Thanks, Aruni. On 12/13/2009 5:22 AM, Thomas Lloyd wrote: > I want to befend karmic as not being so horrible and useless as everyone > likes to make out. > > In my opinion pulse audio has been a great addition to Ubuntu. > > For my project open-sapi now out performs e-speak making for a smooth > and responsive desktop experience when using text to speech with orca. > > I want to say thanks to Luke and Canonical for all their hard work and > as the whole world does they have a tight time scale and not enough man > power to do everything. They are learning as they go along and other > projects are following in their wake as they push the boundaries each > time they make a release. > > Accessibility projects as renowned for being on the back foot and again > that is much the case here. Once the adoption of pulse audio is made > then the assistive technology projects will follow. > > Tom > > > From jkenn337 at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 14:30:02 2009 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:30:02 -0500 Subject: logging into ubuntu Message-ID: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Hi, I have some screen shots of Ubuntu trying to log in. If there's anyone sighted who could have a look at the .tif images email me at jkenn337 at gmail.com . after orca asks me to log out, I log out, hear the drum beats and then type ubuntu hit enter, assume I'm on tthe password field, let it blank, hit enter again, nothing happens. I'm booting from the .iso so its like booting the live cd. Josh My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 follow-me-on-twitter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halim.sahin at freenet.de Sun Dec 13 18:11:17 2009 From: halim.sahin at freenet.de (Halim Sahin) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:11:17 +0100 Subject: [pulseaudio-discuss] Latest source for pulseaudio works great! In-Reply-To: <499d69a00912120857l37f812b2t2d8b38137cf5dd9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a00912120721g46dc2a88w624d810aba466c87@mail.gmail.com> <604760770912120728v64e06d5egc909251c6c86f8f7@mail.gmail.com> <499d69a00912120857l37f812b2t2d8b38137cf5dd9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091213181117.GA32694@gentoo.local> You can also get a good performance when you use pulseaudio, speech-dispatcher with espeak-generic outputmodule. simply use paplay in ~/.speech-dispatcher/conf/modules/espeak-generic.conf BR. halim From pmikeal at comcast.net Sun Dec 13 18:13:32 2009 From: pmikeal at comcast.net (Pia) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:13:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: logging into ubuntu In-Reply-To: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> References: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Message-ID: Someone posted a link with instructions a while back. Here they are again.
  • Accessibility Guide - Community Ubuntu Documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/#Starting%20Orca%20on%20the On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Josh wrote: > Hi, >   > I have some screen shots of Ubuntu trying to log in. If there's anyone > sighted who could have a look at the .tif images email me at > jkenn337 at gmail.com . after orca asks me to log out, I log out, hear the drum > beats and then type ubuntu hit enter, assume I'm on tthe password field, let > it blank, hit enter again, nothing happens. I'm booting from the .iso so its > like booting the live cd. >   > Josh >   > My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at > www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab > Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 > follow-me-on-twitter. > > From pmikeal at comcast.net Sun Dec 13 18:22:27 2009 From: pmikeal at comcast.net (Pia) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:22:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: question about this list In-Reply-To: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> References: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Message-ID: I read the description of this list and it appeared to be a mailing list for the accessibility development team, but some questions made me think it looked more like a users list. Will someone straighten me out? I am looking for the development list because I would like to help if it is wanted, to get a speakup binary package made for Ubuntu. Some of us use the server and so don't care about a GUI and would like to see that "just work" too. I would be willing to contribute to making that happen if there is a chance to do so, but no one has answered me. Thanks, Pia From jkenn337 at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 00:42:13 2009 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:42:13 -0500 Subject: installing ubuntu karmik Message-ID: Hi, To install Ubuntu karmik, can I just use the installer on the desktop with orca? or do I have to do the whole sudo orca sudo ubiquity thing? you can email me about this at jkenn337 at gmail.com Josh My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 follow-me-on-twitter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From William.Walker at Sun.COM Tue Dec 15 14:47:55 2009 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:47:55 -0500 Subject: question about this list In-Reply-To: References: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Message-ID: Hi Pia: Do you want to work on Ubuntu specifically or GNOME? If you want to work on GNOME, please feel free to join http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list Help is greatly needed and would be greatly appreciated. Will GNOME a11y lead On Dec 13, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Pia wrote: > I read the description of this list and it appeared to be a mailing > list > for the accessibility development team, but some questions made me > think > it looked more like a users list. Will someone straighten me out? I > am > looking for the development list because I would like to help if it is > wanted, to get a speakup binary package made for Ubuntu. Some of us > use > the server and so don't care about a GUI and would like to see that > "just > work" too. I would be willing to contribute to making that happen if > there is a chance to do so, but no one has answered me. > > Thanks, > > Pia > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Dec 15 18:07:37 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:07:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: yasr and jaunty question Message-ID: <0KUP00AJXH0O02U6@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, have any of you been able to get yasr working with speech-dispatcher in jaunty? I can get it to work if I run the spd-conf tool. But when I reboot it won't work unless I run the tool again. I used the default port. Thanks Mike. From pmikeal at comcast.net Tue Dec 15 19:21:10 2009 From: pmikeal at comcast.net (Pia) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:21:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: question about this list In-Reply-To: References: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Message-ID: Greetings Willie, Actually, my problem is I want non-graphical servers to be able to talk too. There is currently a speakup patch to do that in the Ubuntu repository called speakup-source speakup-tools speakup-doc and espeakup The only problem is that no one has taken the time to patch the kernel with that patch and make sure it runs. It is in the repository, but takes hacking by the end user / sys admin to get it to work. What I would like is to help or to have the developers make a speakup kernel. Seeing as how it is already part of Ubuntu, I don't see why this would be so difficult. Not everyone who is blind uses the GUI and to tell you the truth, the command line talks way better than Gnome ever has with Orca. So, what I would like to see and am saying I would like to help with if needed, is to get a binary package of a speakup enabled kernel added to Ubuntu. Since the source patch is already part of the distro, I do not understand why the accessibility development team has not already done this. Many blind people, myself included, have chosen careers in system administration because it is something we can do well. Sys Admins certainly do not want Gnome or any GUI on their mission critical server. So, this would be a great service to the blind community. Thanks and Kind Regards, Pia On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Pia: > > Do you want to work on Ubuntu specifically or GNOME? If you want to work on > GNOME, please feel free to join > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > Help is greatly needed and would be greatly appreciated. > > Will > GNOME a11y lead > > On Dec 13, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Pia wrote: > >> I read the description of this list and it appeared to be a mailing list >> for the accessibility development team, but some questions made me think >> it looked more like a users list. Will someone straighten me out? I am >> looking for the development list because I would like to help if it is >> wanted, to get a speakup binary package made for Ubuntu. Some of us use >> the server and so don't care about a GUI and would like to see that "just >> work" too. I would be willing to contribute to making that happen if >> there is a chance to do so, but no one has answered me. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pia >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > From pmikeal at comcast.net Tue Dec 15 19:32:24 2009 From: pmikeal at comcast.net (Pia) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:32:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: question about this list In-Reply-To: References: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Message-ID: Hi again Willie, I just wanted to mention that I would not mind checking out Orca and the Gnome accessibility project either. I greatly appreciate the work you and Sun have done on it. Your work is a great asset to the blind community. I just wanted to clarify this because my last email sounded frustrated, but that frustration is at Ubuntu and certainly not Gnome or Orca. Your team has been able to do so much more than anyone else has ever done for the blind user on the Linux desktop and I thank you! I will need to install a different distro however, if I want to help out your project, because the pulse audio in Ubuntu miserably breaks accessibility in Gnome. Warm Regards, Pia On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Pia: > > Do you want to work on Ubuntu specifically or GNOME? If you want to work on > GNOME, please feel free to join > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > Help is greatly needed and would be greatly appreciated. > > Will > GNOME a11y lead > > On Dec 13, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Pia wrote: > >> I read the description of this list and it appeared to be a mailing list >> for the accessibility development team, but some questions made me think >> it looked more like a users list. Will someone straighten me out? I am >> looking for the development list because I would like to help if it is >> wanted, to get a speakup binary package made for Ubuntu. Some of us use >> the server and so don't care about a GUI and would like to see that "just >> work" too. I would be willing to contribute to making that happen if >> there is a chance to do so, but no one has answered me. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pia >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Dec 16 04:41:22 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:41:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: a question about the movie player and u-tube Message-ID: <0KUQ00L84ACX6CXN@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I get no sound with movie player on u-tube. I was told it now uses pulse, but I have it removed in karmic. Does anyone know what file I have to edit to switch the movie player back to use alsa? Thanks Mike. From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Dec 16 15:10:00 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (jose vilmar estacio de souza) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:10:00 -0200 Subject: a question about the movie player and u-tube In-Reply-To: <0KUQ00L84ACX6CXN@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KUQ00L84ACX6CXN@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4B28F848.7010307@informal.com.br> Hi, I found some tips at http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8284273. I think that the program that you are looking for is called gstreamer-properties . []S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza http://www.informal.com.br Msn:vilmar at informal.com.br Skype:jvilmar Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jvesouza Phone: +55 21-2555-2650 Cel: +55 21-8868-0859 On 12/16/2009 02:41 AM, mike wrote: > Hi, I get no sound with movie player on u-tube. I was told it now uses pulse, but I have it removed in karmic. Does anyone know what file I have to edit to switch the movie player back to use alsa? > Thanks Mike. > > From William.Walker at Sun.COM Wed Dec 16 20:07:40 2009 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:07:40 -0500 Subject: question about this list In-Reply-To: References: <3529D480273748389127237DB59472FA@YOURGHQGU4MTYI> Message-ID: <4B293E0C.7070307@sun.com> No problem Pia - thanks for the explanation. I'm curious if speech-dispatcher may be of interest to you. Since you're talking about putting things in the kernel, however, I suspect it might be too user level for you. The reason I ask, however, is that we're trying to supplant gnome-speech with speech-dispatcher and we can use help shoring up the code. Will Pia wrote: > Hi again Willie, I just wanted to mention that I would not mind checking > out Orca and the Gnome accessibility project either. I greatly appreciate > the work you and Sun have done on it. Your work is a great asset to the > blind community. I just wanted to clarify this because my last email > sounded frustrated, but that frustration is at Ubuntu and certainly not > Gnome or Orca. Your team has been able to do so much more than anyone > else has ever done for the blind user on the Linux desktop and I thank > you! I will need to install a different distro however, if I want to help > out your project, because the pulse audio in Ubuntu miserably breaks > accessibility in Gnome. > > Warm Regards, > > Pia > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Willie Walker wrote: > >> Hi Pia: >> >> Do you want to work on Ubuntu specifically or GNOME? If you want to work on >> GNOME, please feel free to join >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >> >> Help is greatly needed and would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Will >> GNOME a11y lead >> >> On Dec 13, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Pia wrote: >> >>> I read the description of this list and it appeared to be a mailing list >>> for the accessibility development team, but some questions made me think >>> it looked more like a users list. Will someone straighten me out? I am >>> looking for the development list because I would like to help if it is >>> wanted, to get a speakup binary package made for Ubuntu. Some of us use >>> the server and so don't care about a GUI and would like to see that "just >>> work" too. I would be willing to contribute to making that happen if >>> there is a chance to do so, but no one has answered me. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Pia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Dec 17 18:59:33 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:59:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: my impressions of ubuntu lynx Message-ID: <0KUT0006X8R8GRU9@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried the lynx live CD today and found it to work with Orca now. Here is what I found. I have to have my monitor on for some reason to get to the login screen. But this was the same in karmic when it first started out. Once I got it installed, Orca was very slow. But removing pulseaudio took care of that. The sound settings still say waiting for sound server, and speakup wouldn't compile as it did in karmic using m-a a-I speakup-source. But I'm sure this will work later in the cycle. As for the system. I ran it two hours and had no speech loss at all. I must say, this release is looking pretty good from what I see at this time. I installed the old gnome-app-install and couldn't get it to work. But this could also be because it is early in the cycle. Removing this package will get the movie player to work correctly. gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio. Mike. From speakup at lists.tacticus.com Fri Dec 18 05:43:08 2009 From: speakup at lists.tacticus.com (luke Davis) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:43:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: urgent: Ubuntu 9.04 high-speed speech problem Message-ID: Hello I have recently had to reinstall Ubuntu on my laptop, and went with 9.04. Starting to regret it, since I wanted LVM, but the installer doesn't include it, but that's neither here nor there. My urgent usability problem is: orca is starting when I alt-F2 and type orca, but it says everything at an incomprehensible high speed, as described previously on this list. I have tried the "touch ~/.pulse_a11y_nostart" solution oft-described on these lists, but it had absolutely no effect. I need this laptop for a job in a few hours--are there any other solutions which might be implemented, since the touch option doesn't work? an "ls .pulse*" gets: .pulse_a11y_nostart .pulse-cookie .pulse: 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:default-sink 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:default-source 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:device-volumes.i486-pc-linux-gnu.gdbm 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:runtime 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:stream-volumes.i486-pc-linux-gnu.gdbm Luke From speakup at lists.tacticus.com Fri Dec 18 07:15:42 2009 From: speakup at lists.tacticus.com (luke Davis) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:15:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: urgent: Ubuntu 9.04 high-speed speech problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Update: I will still get this if I re-install, which I may do. However for now, I have dist-upgraded within jaunty. At that, orca produced no sound at all. I installed sox, and trying to play an mp3 file got me no sound at all. I installed aumixer, and changed the system volume from 0 to 100. The mp3 plaied, but orca still wouldn't speak. Rebooting yet again got me a system with seemingly no sound. So maybe 9.04 is not as functional as I thought. figuring I have nothing to lose, I am purging pulseaudio. Luke On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, luke Davis wrote: > Hello > > I have recently had to reinstall Ubuntu on my laptop, and went with 9.04. > Starting to regret it, since I wanted LVM, but the installer doesn't > include it, but that's neither here nor there. > > My urgent usability problem is: orca is starting when I alt-F2 and type > orca, but it says everything at an incomprehensible high speed, as > described previously on this list. > > I have tried the "touch ~/.pulse_a11y_nostart" solution oft-described on > these lists, but it had absolutely no effect. > > I need this laptop for a job in a few hours--are there any other solutions > which might be implemented, since the touch option doesn't work? > > an "ls .pulse*" gets: > > .pulse_a11y_nostart .pulse-cookie > > .pulse: > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:default-sink > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:default-source > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:device-volumes.i486-pc-linux-gnu.gdbm > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:runtime > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:stream-volumes.i486-pc-linux-gnu.gdbm > > Luke > > > From waywardgeek at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 19:43:51 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:43:51 -0500 Subject: Fix to get speakup working in Lucid Message-ID: <499d69a00912181143r5995c05pc65e1cf16d28b1da@mail.gmail.com> I've patched a minor bug that causes speakup not to install properly on Ubuntu Lucid alpha. I've filed a bug report with the needed patch. Does it help to also post here, to let Luke know about it? If not, I wont do so in the future. The bug is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/speakup/+bug/498288 If we can get this fix included soon, guys like Mike can get involved and help us make Ubuntu Lucid the most accessible release ever. By the way, thanks Luke, for the libao patch! Lucid does seem on track for being a great accessible distro out-of-the-box. Thanks, Bill From speakup at lists.tacticus.com Sun Dec 20 20:22:32 2009 From: speakup at lists.tacticus.com (luke Davis) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:22:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ubuntu 9.04 loss of sound on dist-upgrade & high-speed speech problem Message-ID: Hello Continuation of my problems with 9.04 (Jaunty). I've stopped using the talking install option, since it left me with high speed speech, which I could not at the time resolve. Using the accessibility profile: If I install from the live CD, I get the high speed speech. However, if I install from the live CD, and do a purge of pulseaudio (which removes ubuntu-desktop), I get a fully functioning orca. Now, interestingly, even doing that, there appears to be a pulse running at some level, so not sure what's up with that. The third option: I can install from the LiveCD without purging pulseaudio, and get the highspeed speech. If I then purge pulseaudio, I have normal speed speech again. A dist-upgrade still breaks everything (sound goes away completely), somewhere shortly after the configuration of the Ekiga softphone takes place. It may be a laptop hardware oddity, but the startup (post-login) sound clip sometimes skips a little. It did it on the live CD about 70% of the times I booted that CD (which I did about 20 times in the past few days). Luke On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Nimer Jaber wrote: > You can start orca after it logs you on and the log on sound is heard by > pressing alt+f2 and typing orca. You can invoke it from the virtual consol as > well. > > Thanks > Nimer J > > Nimer M. Jaber > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which > it > is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any > review, > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in > reliance > upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient > is > prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender via reply > e-mail, and delete the > material from any computer. > > Phone: > (720) (251-4530) > > > luke Davis wrote: > > It's been a while since I did this: what is the method to start orca in > > the regular install? > > As simple as going to a virtual console and invoking it? > > I tried an alt-F2 during the install just for kicks, and it failed to > > invoke a run dialog. > > > > Yes, I can try it, but not until later in the day--my time is up, and I > > have to go with what I have, which is having to run from the jaunty live > > CD, and hope that I don't need anything I can't do from an ssh connection > > from gnome-terminal. > > I should have a few hours downtime during the day, and will try it then. > > > > Thank you for your advice. > > > > Luke > > > > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Nimer Jaber wrote: > > > > > Can you try an installation of ubuntu with the regular profile where you > > > purge pulseaudio before starting the install or after installation > > > commences? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Nimer J > > > > > > Nimer M. Jaber > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > > > which > > > it > > > is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any > > > review, > > > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in > > > reliance > > > upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended > > > recipient > > > is > > > prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender via > > > reply > > > e-mail, and delete the > > > material from any computer. > > > > > > Phone: > > > (720) (251-4530) > > > > > > > > > luke Davis wrote: > > > > Those were exactly the keystrokes used, and their effect was visually > > > > verified when I started the installation. > > > > > > > > All of the .pulse files appeared; and the dbus launches of pulse-session > > > > were running; and purgeing pulseaudio made alsa think there was no sound > > > > card, so I would say that pulse was definitely installed. > > > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Nimer Jaber wrote: > > > > > > > > > Then you shouldn't have to disable pulseaudio, as by default, 9.04 > > > > > uses > > > > > alsaaudio. Is it possible that the accessibility profile didn't get > > > > > applied? > > > > > On boot, enter for English, f5, 3, enter, enter should get you an > > > > > accessibility profile. Otherwise, just use the regular profile and > > > > > remove > > > > > or > > > > > purge pulseaudio. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Nimer J > > > > > > > > > > Nimer M. Jaber > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > > > > > to > > > > > which > > > > > it > > > > > is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. > > > > > Any > > > > > review, > > > > > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > > > > > in > > > > > reliance > > > > > upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended > > > > > recipient > > > > > is > > > > > prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender > > > > > via > > > > > reply > > > > > e-mail, and delete the > > > > > material from any computer. > > > > > > > > > > Phone: > > > > > (720) (251-4530) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luke Davis wrote: > > > > > > If by accessibility profile, you mean hitting F5, 3, enter before > > > > > > installing, then yes, I did that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Nimer Jaber wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I assume you didn't install using the accessibility profile? If > > > > > > > so, do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > have the option or reinstalling? If so, try with the accessibility > > > > > > > profile. > > > > > > > You can try purging pulseaudio, but doing a dist-upgrade seemingly > > > > > > > messed > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > your system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Nimer J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nimer M. Jaber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > Any > > > > > > > review, > > > > > > > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > reliance > > > > > > > upon this information by persons or entities other than the > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > recipient > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the > > > > > > > sender > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > reply > > > > > > > e-mail, and delete the > > > > > > > material from any computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phone: > > > > > > > (720) (251-4530) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luke Davis wrote: > > > > > > > > Update: I will still get this if I re-install, which I may do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However for now, I have dist-upgraded within jaunty. At that, > > > > > > > > orca > > > > > > > > produced no sound at all. > > > > > > > > I installed sox, and trying to play an mp3 file got me no sound > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > I installed aumixer, and changed the system volume from 0 to > > > > > > > > 100. > > > > > > > > The mp3 plaied, but orca still wouldn't speak. Rebooting yet > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > a system with seemingly no sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe 9.04 is not as functional as I thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > figuring I have nothing to lose, I am purging pulseaudio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, luke Davis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have recently had to reinstall Ubuntu on my laptop, and went > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > 9.04. > > > > > > > > > Starting to regret it, since I wanted LVM, but the installer > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > include it, but that's neither here nor there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My urgent usability problem is: orca is starting when I alt-F2 > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > > orca, but it says everything at an incomprehensible high > > > > > > > > > speed, as > > > > > > > > > described previously on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried the "touch ~/.pulse_a11y_nostart" solution > > > > > > > > > oft-described > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > these lists, but it had absolutely no effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need this laptop for a job in a few hours--are there any > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > solutions > > > > > > > > > which might be implemented, since the touch option doesn't > > > > > > > > > work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an "ls .pulse*" gets: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .pulse_a11y_nostart .pulse-cookie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .pulse: > > > > > > > > > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:default-sink > > > > > > > > > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:default-source > > > > > > > > > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:device-volumes.i486-pc-linux-gnu.gdbm > > > > > > > > > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:runtime > > > > > > > > > 1f9aa7f71fe9e9c03ed0552a4b2b0d12:stream-volumes.i486-pc-linux-gnu.gdbm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Dec 21 20:52:06 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:52:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: help in lusid Message-ID: <0KV0000UYSMTJUXB@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I noticed today that the logout commands are accessible, but the help system isn't. You can use down arrow to hear names, but pressing enter doesn't open them. Tab works, but all you hear is link or html container. Mike. From jkenn337 at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 22:14:55 2009 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:14:55 -0500 Subject: default voice in Ubuntu Message-ID: Hi, In future versions of Ubuntu with orca go to: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/test/latest.html Get the latest espeak, use that since it will always have the best pronunciation. also instead of using the default variant, why not use either the klatt variant, klatt2, or klatt3? like: en-us+klatt2 this means when I install it in windows speak using american english and use the klatt2 variant . klatt voices make espeak sound a lot more like eloquence. Josh My email address is: jkenn337 at gmail.com . www.satogo.com Get klango at www.klango.net it's free! Get NVDA www.nvda-project.org it's free! Grab Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com it's free! and www.twitter.com/jkenn337 follow-me-on-twitter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Dec 22 01:03:11 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:03:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: a question about the live cd Message-ID: <0KV100EFE49BPPL3@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, if these new patches are included in the live CD will we still need the blind install? Or will pulse be enabled and we will boot the CD normally? Mike. From waywardgeek at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 01:38:41 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:38:41 -0500 Subject: a question about the live cd In-Reply-To: <0KV100EFE49BPPL3@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KV100EFE49BPPL3@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <499d69a00912211738o29617840v42c93896c2a676f1@mail.gmail.com> I'd venture a guess that you still would want the accessibility install in order to enable Orca during installation, and to enable it by default when booting Ubuntu. I would guess that pulseaudio will be enabled in Lucid either way. With a Vinux/Lucid install, speech would be enabled regardless, with pulseaudio, but ideally you'd get options for whether or not to boot into Gnome, or go with raw speakup in a command line interface. In an ideal world, Ubuntu would incorporate many of the accessibility improvements found in Vinux when you select the accessibility install, and Vinux/Ubuntu as a seperate ISO would go away (Vinux would still be needed for other distros). That would include critical accessibility programs like speakup, the Vinux key bindings, Stormdragon's cool Orca utils, emacspeak in the DVD version, etc. Ideally, the background would be black, fonts would be 18-ish points, and we'd even have an audio-book creator app that talks to bookshare.org. Sounds pretty pie-in-the-sky-ish to me, but is there any chance us Vinux guys could get seriously involved with what happens in an Ubuntu accessibility install? I'm confident there'd be a lot of interest from the blind/VI community, and there are a bunch of us who are big geeks, with a personal stake in the game. Bill On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 8:03 PM, mike wrote: > Hi, if these new patches are included in the live CD will we still need the blind install? Or will pulse be enabled and we will boot the CD normally? > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From waywardgeek at gmail.com Wed Dec 23 02:59:26 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:59:26 -0500 Subject: Accessibility bugs in Lucid have been tracked down Message-ID: <499d69a00912221859g733afc03y33f0b713305f5b7f@mail.gmail.com> I'm very happy to say that I don't know of any major bugs in Lucid at the moment related to accessibility that haven't been tracked down. Of course, there are still some there... I cheat and use the mouse all the time, I haven't checked Braille, or done an install by voice. Also, some of the bugs have known fixes, but haven't been included yet, like the patch to speakup-source and a minor environment variable related bug in using sudo to launch accessible gnome apps like synaptic. However, performance issues have been fixed, as have several goobers that kept the system from working properly. The biggest problem on my laptop at the moment is the stupid proprietary ATI drivers don't work (again). I'm very excited about Lucid at this point. I think it's going to be the best Ubuntu release ever for accessibility. If anyone runs into significant accessibility bugs, let me know. I'll see if I can find some time to help track them down. Bill From marco.fisch at n-ergie.de Wed Dec 23 08:45:04 2009 From: marco.fisch at n-ergie.de (marco.fisch at n-ergie.de) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:45:04 +0100 Subject: Accessibility bugs in Lucid have been tracked down In-Reply-To: <499d69a00912221859g733afc03y33f0b713305f5b7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a00912221859g733afc03y33f0b713305f5b7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, there are problems with the brltty in lucid. First i'm starting up my machine and have no braille-support. so i changed my config and rebootet! Brltty is now starting but it takes a long time about 2 3 minutes if it's coming up. A strange thing is. brltty is comming up and my machine freezes. Without the brltty all seems to work fine. using papenmeier 2d-scren regards marco From marco.fisch at n-ergie.de Wed Dec 23 12:45:41 2009 From: marco.fisch at n-ergie.de (marco.fisch at n-ergie.de) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:45:41 +0100 Subject: Antwort: Re: Accessibility bugs in Lucid have been tracked down In-Reply-To: <499d69a00912230430sd83afa5x89c5fb9b2967587e@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a00912221859g733afc03y33f0b713305f5b7f@mail.gmail.com> <499d69a00912230430sd83afa5x89c5fb9b2967587e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, yes, the problem was in karmic also. But they fixed it. The debugging is not possible for me, because the machine freezes when brltty is comming up. I tried too install only the commandline too debug, but the effect was the same. I hope they.ll fix this. Otherwise lucid without braille is working pretty good. regards marco From halim.sahin at freenet.de Wed Dec 23 17:20:07 2009 From: halim.sahin at freenet.de (Halim Sahin) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:20:07 +0100 Subject: lucid live cd want's username and password? Message-ID: <20091223172006.GA4506@gentoo.local> Hi, I have bootet lucid live cd from today in kvm. Gdm comes up and want username and pass. Which user and pass can i use to start gnome? BR. Halim From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Dec 25 08:45:24 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:45:24 +0100 Subject: Grub2 beep, have an useful solution Message-ID: <4B347BA4.4050806@pickup.hu> Hy List, I would like insert one beep character with grub2 first menu item (Ctrl+g character, the bell character). This is not problem, but if the grub2 menus present my display, the speaker does'nt play a beep noise. Prewious grub boot manager this is works absolute fine. Or this audio help impossible doing with grub2? This is useful me my notebook, because difficult hear when present the grub2 boot menu with my display. Attila From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Fri Dec 25 09:22:10 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:52:10 +0530 (IST) Subject: Grub2 beep, have an useful solution In-Reply-To: <4B347BA4.4050806@pickup.hu> References: <4B347BA4.4050806@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <232543.58071.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi , Merry Christmas. Last time I tired inserting a bell character in the grub configuration, it didn't work. I think you have to modify the grub2 binary to make it work. Here is an old thread on grub2 accessibiity:beeps few years ago. I don't think the feature of beeps is implemented yet. http://www.mail-archive.com/grub-devel at gnu.org/msg02364.html Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Hammer Attila > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Fri, 25 December, 2009 2:15:24 PM > Subject: Grub2 beep, have an useful solution > > Hy List, > > I would like insert one beep character with grub2 first menu item > (Ctrl+g character, the bell character). > This is not problem, but if the grub2 menus present my display, the > speaker does'nt play a beep noise. Prewious grub boot manager this is > works absolute fine. > Or this audio help impossible doing with grub2? > This is useful me my notebook, because difficult hear when present the > grub2 boot menu with my display. > > Attila > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Dec 25 09:47:20 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:47:20 +0100 Subject: Grub2 beep, have an useful solution In-Reply-To: <232543.58071.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <4B347BA4.4050806@pickup.hu> <232543.58071.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B348A28.4050704@pickup.hu> hy, Thank you Arki the topic link. I will be read full topic. If I found any useful solution, I post this list, but if need modify grub2 binary, possible need do a special package. If any method is useful and work my machine, I will be put my personal ppa with the special package. Merry Christmas everybody, and thank you the help. Attila From halim.sahin at freenet.de Sat Dec 26 12:07:25 2009 From: halim.sahin at freenet.de (Halim Sahin) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:07:25 +0100 Subject: Really no ideas? Re: lucid live cd want's username and password? In-Reply-To: <20091223172006.GA4506@gentoo.local> References: <20091223172006.GA4506@gentoo.local> Message-ID: <20091226120725.GA12392@gentoo.local> Hi, Running the lucid live cd stopps at gdm prompt and want username and password. Is this a known problem or what user and pass can be used for login? Regards Halim From waywardgeek at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 16:14:29 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:14:29 -0500 Subject: Best way to change default user configurations? Message-ID: <499d69a00912280814w67b4314es286e69235e6a8de7@mail.gmail.com> I've got a couple packages now on the Vinux/Ubuntu Karmic ppa on launchpad.net. They provide an updated pulseaudio driver for speech-dispatcher, and some 32-bit binaries for voxin compatibility on 64-bit systems. I'd like to make a couple virtual-packages, called vinux-metacity and vinux-compiz, that would automatically set up default keybindings, menu settings, and several other things that make Ubuntu more like Vinux, which is more a much more user-friendly setup for the blind and visually impaired than the default settings. The easy way for me to do this is to create a package that installs a ton of files in /etc/skel. Alternatively, I could modify the various packages involved so that their default settings are compatible with Vinux. What is the "right" way to do this, and what is the expediant way, given that I don't have much time to work on this? Thanks, Bill From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Dec 28 17:17:02 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:17:02 +0100 Subject: Best way to change default user configurations? In-Reply-To: <499d69a00912280814w67b4314es286e69235e6a8de7@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a00912280814w67b4314es286e69235e6a8de7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B38E80E.6020407@pickup.hu> Hy Bill, You wroted: "The easy way for me to do this is to create a package that installs a ton of files in /etc/skel. Alternatively, I could modify the various packages involved so that their default settings are compatible with Vinux. What is the "right" way to do this, and what is the expediant way, given that I don't have much time to work on this?" I am not full sure what the best way. With first alternative (/etc/skel style package) not possible do a custom postinst script to put the default settings with all existing user home folder? New users get the Vinux specific style, because all /etc/skell folders and files copyed automaticaly when a new user is created, so, the existing users management need fixing if this is possible. I newer do custom postinst script with a package. If I understand right, your purpose if any people installing any Ubuntu version with future, simplest do Vinux style Desktop with existing operating system. For example, I tryed do a similar package with my /etc/skel folder. The package is working correct, except if I begin put custom configuration files with the package (/etc/brltty.conf with hungarian braille table selection, modifyed hungarian braille table files with /etc/brltty directory, etc). When I do this changes, the package does'nt installed, because another package containing for example the /etc/brltty/hu.ttb file (Brltty package), but I would like absolute sure owerwrite the original hu.ttb file. I would like only play my system when I try do this package, because my purpose with BeLin (similar with Vinux) manufacturing in future need do a simple package with put hungarian specific modifications with one package install. :-):-) This is simplest my work when I manufacturing custom cd, but simplest the beginner hungarian users work if using another Ubuntu release (newer release without special BeLin cd). The second alternative (make custom packages with Compiz, etc) is difficulter I think, because Launcpad if I remember right old time only accept source packages, and the virtual build system making the packages automaticaly with default settings. Or Launchpad ppa accept now source and binary .deb uploading? If original Compiz package have default configuration file or schema, your work is simple: you editing the config file, and going upload the new package. :-):-) But I think this is not simple think. Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Dec 29 06:59:08 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:59:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: a question about the live cd Message-ID: <0KVE000RXJEJ70C6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, the live cd is asking for a username and password. Does anyone know why? Mike. From j.schmude at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 12:36:11 2009 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:36:11 -0700 Subject: a question about the live cd In-Reply-To: <0KVE000RXJEJ70C6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KVE000RXJEJ70C6@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <415A882A-A7BA-4BCE-AEDA-EFDF6024F548@gmail.com> Hi Mike I'm not even sure it's asking for username/password, because as soon as I hear the login sound on these new live cd builds my keyboard locks and X won't take any input from it. I noticed this started with the Live CD builds from 12/22, the 12/21 build worked just fine at least for amd64. For now, I get lucid installed by installing Karmic and doing an upgrade. It's a bit of a pain since the Karmic live cd's speech-dispatcher crashes a lot, and the upgrade itself involves a few steps because of different packages and a conflict, but it can be done and you will get lucid installed that way eventually. On Dec 28, 2009, at 23:59, mike wrote: > Hi, the live cd is asking for a username and password. Does anyone know why? > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams From david at miradoiro.com Thu Dec 31 12:15:44 2009 From: david at miradoiro.com (=?utf-8?Q?David_Pic=C3=B3n_=C3=81lvarez?=) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:15:44 +0100 Subject: Accessibility on Live CD. Message-ID: <5B5C1B43EAB54FD3B9B7864C8DF23BB8@nautilus> I need to use Ubuntu in live cd mode in order to back up some files on a non-functioning windows system etc. What's the best option given the Ubuntu issues with pulse and so on, Ubuntu 9.10 or another version? Also, 32 or 64 bit, presumably would make no difference, right? Or is vinux a better option for this task? Any help appreciated, --David.