From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Mar 1 06:12:43 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 00:12:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: transfering bookmarks in firefox Message-ID: <0KFT00DV9D97XYK6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I want to transfer bookmarks from my computer to a version of firefox I have on a jumpdrive. Does anyone know how to do this? Firefox has a import, but it only offers to do this from Internet explorer. I want to get the bookmarks from another computer that has firefox. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090228-0, 02/28/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Mar 1 10:37:19 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:37:19 +0100 Subject: Why missing shutdown and user logout menus in system menu with 9.04 Alpha 5? Message-ID: <49AA655F.6090805@pickup.hu> Dear List! Some week ago missing shutdown and logout menus my Jaunty system with system menu. The last menu item is About Ubuntu. This is a bug, or new feature request? I known, in top panel possible shutdown or restart the system with user switch applet, but some time Orca does'nt say this icon, only if the blind user pressing the Ctrl+F1 key. Because I like old menus, how can I get back this menus? :-):-) Another think: The shutdown and logout dialog works again my system. See my last comment with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535827 When I press Ctrl+Alt+Delete key, Orca says correct the displayed dialog. Attila From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Mar 1 22:14:43 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:14:43 +1100 Subject: Why missing shutdown and user logout menus in system menu with 9.04 Alpha 5? In-Reply-To: <49AA655F.6090805@pickup.hu> References: <49AA655F.6090805@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20090301221443.GB5562@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 09:37:19PM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Dear List! > > Some week ago missing shutdown and logout menus my Jaunty system with > system menu. The last menu item is About Ubuntu. > This is a bug, or new feature request? > I known, in top panel possible shutdown or restart the system with user > switch applet, but some time Orca does'nt say this icon, only if the > blind user pressing the Ctrl+F1 key. > > Because I like old menus, how can I get back this menus? :-):-) Yes, this is a stupid UI decision made by people in Ubuntu who haven't thought about accessibility. Luckily, getting the menu options back is simply a matter of finding the user switch applet, and removing it from the panel. Things are now set up so that if the user switch applet is not on any of the panels, the menu items will return. I am also working on disabling this applet for accessibility installs, as I think it makes more sense to use menu items as well. Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Mar 1 22:16:28 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:16:28 +1100 Subject: This day upgrade question with 9.04 In-Reply-To: <49A7E06D.4080406@pickup.hu> References: <49A7E06D.4080406@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20090301221628.GC5562@strigy.yelavich.home> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:45:33PM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Dear List! > > I installed latest updates with my 9.04 system. After this task > completed, I restart my system. The problem: > I not hear login sound, and Orca does'nt talk when I tryed login. > Anybody confirm this? I see lot of pulseaudio upgrades. Could you plesae file a bug against the libcanberra source package, so that this issue can be tracked in a bug? Plesae also indicate whether you have orca set up to start automatically, and what speech backend, i.e gnome-speech or speech-dispatcher you are using? Thanks Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Mar 1 22:18:54 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:18:54 +1100 Subject: orca and popups In-Reply-To: <0KFS0029WI966O2M@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFS0029WI966O2M@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090301221854.GD5562@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 06:03:06AM EST, mike wrote: > Hi, Orca use to read popups like telling you when a network was connected and when it was disconnected. But I notice in 9.04 it no longer reads this information. Does anyone know if this is going to be corrected? Hopefully it will. This is to do with Ubuntu changing the notification/pop-up system used on the desktop, and the new system is not yet accessible. I believe this is being worked on, but when it will get into Ubuntu I don't yet know. Luke From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Mar 1 22:40:49 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:40:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: problems with the shut down menu Message-ID: <0KFU00FPMN01IWV3@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Ok, I removed the shut down idem from the top panel and sure enough the menu returned. But here is the problem I now have. In the top panel this menu was fully accessible with Orca. Now that it has moved it is no longer red by Orca. Does anyone know why, and if this is going to be corrected soon? Mike. From keith537 at iglou.com Sun Mar 1 23:33:25 2009 From: keith537 at iglou.com (Keith Creasy) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:33:25 -0500 Subject: E-mail? Message-ID: What do you use for E-mail with Ubuntu and Orca? I did try Evolution and it sort of worked in that I can check my e-mail and see the list of messages but can't seem to actually read them. Thanks. Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From vilmar at informal.com.br Mon Mar 2 00:00:41 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:00:41 -0300 Subject: E-mail? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AB21A9.5060209@informal.com.br> Hi, With some exceptions thunderbird 3.0 beta works very well with orca. On 01-03-2009 20:33, Keith Creasy wrote: > What do you use for E-mail with Ubuntu and Orca? I did try Evolution > and it sort of worked in that I can check my e-mail and see the list > of messages but can't seem to actually read them. > Thanks. > Keith -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza Informal Informatica msn: vilmar at informal.com.br aim: zevilmar gmail: jvilmar at gmail.com fone: +55 21-2555-2650 cel: +55 21-8868-0859 From fabiano at linuxacessivel.org Mon Mar 2 02:42:09 2009 From: fabiano at linuxacessivel.org (Fabiano Fonseca) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:42:09 -0300 Subject: Bug in Ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <49A98E15.3060202@informal.com.br> References: <0KFS0029WI966O2M@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <49A98E15.3060202@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <49AB4781.6090606@linuxacessivel.org> Dears I've found a bug on Ubuntu 9.04. It happens that Orca does not speak the itens of any list that are not visible on the screen. So, everytime that one has to scroll down the scroll bar to see the itens of given list, Orca will not speak those itens. It happened on the add/remove programs list, on the list of plugins of Pidgin, on the list of apps on the keybord shortcut preferences and so on. Fabiano garcia Fonseca Linux user #448759 - Ubuntu User #15701 www.linuxacessivel.org From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 2 07:14:58 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:14:58 +0100 Subject: Shutdown and logout dialog problem under Jaunty In-Reply-To: <20090301221443.GB5562@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <49AA655F.6090805@pickup.hu> <20090301221443.GB5562@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <49AB8772.3000909@pickup.hu> Dear List! Possible fix shutdown and logout inaccessible Orca problem under Jaunty with final release? I write a new comment my ubuntu bugreport with launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/328473): Wilie Walker writing this answer my question with this problem: "Hi Attila: I believe that patch is not what the GTK+ folks intended to be the solution. Instead, the third (the last) patch is the one to use, and is the one that has been committed. If it's not working, either a11y integration is broken in Ubuntu or some more work needs to be done. I suspect a11y integration may be broken on Ubuntu and they need to know about it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535827#c30 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535827#c31 Can you contact Ubuntu, please, and try to work through this issue with them? Thanks! Will" I copyed two comment with bug 535227 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535827#c30 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535827#c31) "did at-spi have a schema before? If it didn't, the ubuntu packager may forgotton to add gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule ... as a post installation step in the package. Can you confirm that the schema is installed by doing: gconftool-2 --get-schema-name /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/gtk-modules/gail:atk-bridge If it's not installed it will yell. Could be there's a bug in GConf like Jens mentions as a possibility, too, though. Not sure. Comment #31 from Ray Strode (developer, points: 16 ) 2008-09-29 15:52 UTC [reply ] I'm guessing this is a packaging bug, because when I'm on a rawhide machine and I do: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/gnome_settings_daemono/gtk-modules (to undo the gconftool call from my test above) and then do gconftool-2 -R /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/gtk-modules (which presumably does something similar to the g-s-d code) then I get: gnomebreakpad = true gail:atk-bridge = /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility which comes from the schemas and seems right." Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 2 11:00:47 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:00:47 +0100 Subject: Bug in Ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <49AB4781.6090606@linuxacessivel.org> References: <0KFS0029WI966O2M@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <49A98E15.3060202@informal.com.br> <49AB4781.6090606@linuxacessivel.org> Message-ID: <49ABBC5F.5000703@pickup.hu> Dear List! Fabiano, this bug produced your problem, but this bug is fixed in 25 febr 2009: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571001 I hope Ubuntu developers replace need think with gtk+ or libgail-dev package, I not sure what package need fix. Now I using gtk+ trunk version and works nicely my machine. Attila : From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 2 13:42:44 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:42:44 +0100 Subject: Sound playing not working with Jaunty Alpha5? In-Reply-To: <49ABBC5F.5000703@pickup.hu> References: <0KFS0029WI966O2M@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <49A98E15.3060202@informal.com.br> <49AB4781.6090606@linuxacessivel.org> <49ABBC5F.5000703@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <49ABE254.7070601@pickup.hu> Dear List! I see an interesting problem only with Jaunty Alpha5, and I don't known how solve the following problem before I install Jaunty 64 bit my desktop computer: When I booting Jaunty Alpha5 live cd and using Orca screen reader and try play any music, video etc, the media player is start, but not play nothing. The required codecs are installed. When Orca is not running, the media player works correct. Interesting, but my notebook I using Jaunty since alpha3, and I not see this problems. I using gnome-speech driver and Espeak, and try this problem with 32 bit and 64 bit live cd's (I not looked latest dayly live cd). Anybody gnome-speech user confirm this problem? Luke, have any ydea? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 2 14:21:38 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:21:38 +0100 Subject: Sound playing not working with Jaunty Alpha5? In-Reply-To: <49ABE254.7070601@pickup.hu> References: <0KFS0029WI966O2M@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <49A98E15.3060202@informal.com.br> <49AB4781.6090606@linuxacessivel.org> <49ABBC5F.5000703@pickup.hu> <49ABE254.7070601@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <49ABEB72.5050207@pickup.hu> Dear List! Mike, you wroted: "In sound change to palse." What can I change? In sound settings all settings change with pulse? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 2 15:24:39 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:24:39 +0100 Subject: Sound playing not working with Jaunty Alpha5? In-Reply-To: <49ABEB72.5050207@pickup.hu> References: <0KFS0029WI966O2M@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <49A98E15.3060202@informal.com.br> <49AB4781.6090606@linuxacessivel.org> <49ABBC5F.5000703@pickup.hu> <49ABE254.7070601@pickup.hu> <49ABEB72.5050207@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <49ABFA37.7060905@pickup.hu> Unfortunately, Mike suggestion not works my machines (desktop and laptop computer). All important setting I changed to pulsesink, but thanks Mike the suggestion. When Orca is running and speech is enabled, the sound playback is not start (the time value is show 0.0 value). If I turn off speech and try play a sound or video, all works fine, but impossible to turn on speech (Orca not talking). Dayly upgraded Jaunty system not producing this simptoms my notebook, I installed the system since with alpha3. I tryed following instructions, but not solwing the problem: "How do I get Orca to speak alongside other ALSA applications? NOTE to Ubuntu Hardy users: Ubuntu Hardy is investigating the use of PulseAudio to take care of a lot of device contention. As a result, audio mixing should "just work" on Ubuntu Hardy and you shouldn't have to monkey around with this stuff. Hotly debated issue, It is not Orca's fault that it is set up like this, so the fix should be done elsewhere, but if you don't care about the politics and simply want it to work then: sudo apt-get install alsa-oss now change directory: cd /usr/lib/bonobo/servers/ now edit using your favorite editor: If you are using Espeak then modify: GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Espeak.server and if you are using Festival: GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Festival.server replace "festival" for "espeak" if you wish to modify the festival synthesizer. On the third line of the file you will see (remember to use dashes instead of underscores): type="exe" location="/usr/bin/espeak-synthesis-driver" replace this with: type="exe" location="/usr/bin/aoss /usr/bin/espeak-synthesis-driver" Note that if the alsa-oss package is not installed then you will have a broken system and wont have any speech output, so make sure it is installed. save the file, and restart Orca, now you can use mplayer and suchlike to output sound alongside Orca." I looked latest dayly live cd. Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Mar 2 18:48:21 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:48:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: problems with orca and sound again Message-ID: <0KFW0026T6WKP1ZB@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I guess this is broken again in 9.04. I went to play a movie today and the movie plays, but I loose all speech while it is playing. Having my setting to pulse corrected this in the past. Does anyone know if this is being worked on or not? Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090301-0, 03/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Mar 2 22:19:36 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:19:36 +1100 Subject: Alsa/pulse, speech, and orca. Message-ID: <20090302221936.GA5577@strigy.yelavich.home> Hi all Just letting you know that the sound issues you are experiencing are being looked into, and I hope to have a resolution by the end of today. Luke From guyster at bex.net Tue Mar 3 04:56:46 2009 From: guyster at bex.net (guy Schlosser) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:56:46 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: alsa upgrade] Message-ID: <49ACB88E.7070600@bex.net> He y all, I have a question regarding the known random crash issue with speech-dispatcher in Ubuntu Intrepid. It seems like the version of Alsa in intrepid is 1.0.17, and according to the alsa-project web site, we are two versions back. Has anyone had any experience with .18 or .19? Has anyone testing Jaunty noticed any less frequent crashes? If anyone has any insite, I would definitely appreciate hearing. Thanks much in advance. Guy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 3 11:15:31 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:15:31 +0100 Subject: Fresh install impressions with Alpha5, Sound playing now working again my system In-Reply-To: <49ABFA37.7060905@pickup.hu> References: <0KFS0029WI966O2M@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <49A98E15.3060202@informal.com.br> <49AB4781.6090606@linuxacessivel.org> <49ABBC5F.5000703@pickup.hu> <49ABE254.7070601@pickup.hu> <49ABEB72.5050207@pickup.hu> <49ABFA37.7060905@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <49AD1153.8070100@pickup.hu> Dear List! Sorry my long letter, but I am a very happy people now. :-) I doed a fresh install with Alpha5 live cd my desktop computer (64 bit). After installation is completed, i installed all upgrades. Unfortunately, the upgrade process was interrupted I think GDM. I booted again with live cd, and chroot the target system and run dpkg-reconfigure -a. After this, I add this ppa repository (I forgot add my sources.list, friday get an e-mail with Ubuntu devel mailing list: "After the alpha-5 release we will update the python interpreter from 2.5.4 to 2.6.1. For about 24 hours you will no be able to cleanly update jaunty, until some packages are rebuilt with python2.6. For a better upgrade experience during this time, please add the pythoneers PPA to your sources.list, which already has the rebuilds available: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pythoneers/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main Don't forget to remove this line after the change is complete; I will notice u-d-a when the change is done for main. For universe you may experience installability issues somewhat longer." I don't know this pa is needed now, but my situation solved. Another topic: My desktop machine works sound playing again, but not official way. :-( What can I do? I purged pulseaudio with apt-get purge pulseaudio, and after this I setted up all outputs to alsa, and doing prewious wroted instructions with Orca faq (espeak synthesis driver modification). Interesting, but before I doing this, Orca can not start automaticaly after login, but the /desktop/gnome/applications/at/visual/startup/true gconf key is setted up true value correct the installer. When I doed pulseaudio remove, Orca starts automaticaly again correct. I like Jaunty, because more fast with old releases. I using dayly my work with my notebook (32 bit). Thanks everybody with helpful hints my sound problem. Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Mar 4 01:27:14 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:27:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: a software question Message-ID: <0KFY00F0TK1EIJ7B@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, does anyone know if there is any software accessible with Orca for putting phone numbers and so on in a blackbarry phone? Mike From DON.RAIKES at oracle.com Wed Mar 4 18:05:58 2009 From: DON.RAIKES at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:05:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: orca on intrepid and hardy Message-ID: <7c8bc8b2-9f0e-4519-b1f0-1a6c1e4ea60e@default> Hello, Over the last day I have downloaded both the hardy lts livecd and the intrepid livecd. I have tried to boot into both of these systems and get orca to work. I have tried pressing f5 as soon as the cd starts to spin-up, then 3 to enable screen reader mode, but after the drumroll I get no orca starting. So I then press f2 type "orca" and orca starts but says "welcome to orca" and stops working again. I am using a gateway 7200-x desktop system with 4gb ram and a 250gb harddrive. My goal is to install ubuntu as the primary OS on this system and use it for all my non-work related email/browsing/programming. Any help getting it up and running would be appreciated. -- Oracle Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist Phone: +1 602 824 6213 | Fax: +1 520 744 0826 | Mobile: +1 520 271 7608 Oracle JDeveloper Quality Assurance | Tucson, Arizona Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Mar 4 19:51:04 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:51:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: orca is broken Message-ID: <0KFZ002QFZ545H16@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I lost all speech today after getting updates in 9.04. Yasr doesn't work either unless I go to the consul. Has anyone else noticed this? Mike. From cbhworld at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 16:40:35 2009 From: cbhworld at gmail.com (Chris Hayes) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:40:35 +0000 Subject: Simon (Speech Interaction Daemon) Message-ID: <94b38bfa0903050840va7d8554uf40c122def2b6021@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks, I'm interested in finding some speech recognition software that would allow me to entirely compose text through it, as opposed to just voice command. I've found this http://simon-listens.org has anyone tried it? If so could you let me know whether it might be useful for what I'm after. Kind Regards, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Mar 6 18:08:26 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:08:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: orca still doesn't work on 9.04 Message-ID: <0KG30090BJQ1P6U4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried a new live CD of 9.04. This may be helpful to someone in finding out what is going on. Using Luke's install method Orca reads the screen just fine. But once the system is installed Orca no longer works. The same is true if you try to use the live CD as a live CD. Orca is dead. Mike. From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Fri Mar 6 19:08:37 2009 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:08:37 -0000 Subject: orca still doesn't work on 9.04 References: <0KG30090BJQ1P6U4@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi, I can confirm this. I tried today's daily build of Jaunty and managed to install the system with the installer (although I found it to be extremely buggy - I had to tab and shift+tab back and forth over controls and arrow up and down in lists repeatedly to get things read out) but once the system reboots Orca doesn't read the screen. You get a "welcome to Orca" message and it stays running because if you shut the system down you get a "goodbye" but nothing inbetween. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: "ubuntu" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: orca still doesn't work on 9.04 > Hi, I tried a new live CD of 9.04. This may be helpful to someone in > finding out what is going on. Using Luke's install method Orca reads the > screen just fine. But once the system is installed Orca no longer works. > The same is true if you try to use the live CD as a live CD. Orca is > dead. > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Mar 8 07:24:16 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:24:16 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu Netbook Remix problem with Jaunty Message-ID: <49B372A0.6070507@pickup.hu> Dear List! I installed Ubuntu Jaunty Alpha5 Netbook Remix version with my Asus Eeepc 701 netbook. The system is very fantastic. Jaunty starts my netbook 25-30 second (I using Ext4 filesystem). All hardvers works fine. I found one problem, and I don't known how can I solve. When I try going to the desktop with Ctrl+Alt+d combination, not happen nothing. I removed netbook-launcher applet, because it is inaccessible with Orca, and remove netbook-remix and maximus packages. I installed ubuntu-desktop package. Interesting, but my wife says me the desktop is not displayed (short test I put some icons with the desktop). Short question: I install normal Ubuntu Jaunty Alpha5 version my netbook? Normal version producing this positive results (starting 25-30 second and all hardware works fine)? I known, this netbook remix version is now yet a test release, but thanks this good work with developers, this is the first Ubuntu release with start fast my netbook (600 MHZ Cpu, 512 Mb memory and 4 GB SSD). Attila From javier at tiflolinux.org Sun Mar 8 09:50:59 2009 From: javier at tiflolinux.org (Francisco Javier Dorado Martinez (tiflolinux)) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:50:59 +0100 Subject: Speakup on Juanty? Message-ID: <1236505859.6913.7.camel@javi-laptop> Hi all I would like to know if it would be possible to install Speakup on Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope 8.04. Does it work with the current 9.04 kernel? I have read that speakup 3.03 is available for Debian 2.6.28? Regards Javier P.S I am still on 8.10 I hope to upgrade to 9.04 in a few days for testing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I git cloned the latest speakup directory and followed the instructions, everything seems to go well but when I modprobe speakup_soft, it gives me an error that it can't be found. thanks On 03/08/2009 04:50 AM, Francisco Javier Dorado Martinez (tiflolinux) wrote: > Hi all > > I would like to know if it would be possible to install Speakup on > Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope 8.04. Does it work with the current 9.04 kernel? > > I have read that speakup 3.03 is available for Debian 2.6.28? > > Regards > > Javier > > P.S I am still on 8.10 I hope to upgrade to 9.04 in a few days for > testing. > > From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Sun Mar 8 19:36:40 2009 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:36:40 -0000 Subject: does anyone know if the 9.04 cd now works References: <0KG7008GE5SG7TWI@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <50B9EB4760704AA29777F740DDFA21DE@Nika> No, today's build doesn't talk apart from in the installer either. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: "ubuntu" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: does anyone know if the 9.04 cd now works > Hi, I would like to re install 9.04. Has anyone tried the live CD today, > if so, does it now work with Orca again? I have a slow connection, so I > want to wait until the problem is corrected before downloading again. > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Sun Mar 8 19:37:57 2009 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:37:57 -0000 Subject: Speakup on Juanty? References: <1236505859.6913.7.camel@javi-laptop> <49B40458.60904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <679BB3EDDA5041EF8205884CBAEDE2F0@Nika> Hi, Yes it can. I have speakup running on Ubuntu Intrepid. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "farhan" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Speakup on Juanty? > Hello, further to this question, can speakup be compiled on ubuntu > intrepid as modules? > I git cloned the latest speakup directory and followed the > instructions, everything seems to go well but when I modprobe > speakup_soft, it gives me an error that it can't be found. > thanks > On 03/08/2009 04:50 AM, Francisco Javier Dorado Martinez (tiflolinux) > wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I would like to know if it would be possible to install Speakup on >> Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope 8.04. Does it work with the current 9.04 kernel? >> >> I have read that speakup 3.03 is available for Debian 2.6.28? >> >> Regards >> >> Javier >> >> P.S I am still on 8.10 I hope to upgrade to 9.04 in a few days for >> testing. >> >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Mon Mar 9 04:28:29 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Rakesh 'arky' Ambati) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:58:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: does anyone know if the 9.04 cd now works Message-ID: <620292.49571.qm@web94904.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/3/09, Paul Hunt wrote: > No, today's build doesn't talk apart > from in the installer either. > On my Jaunty test machine constant espeak-synthesis-driver crashes makes Orca unusable. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati Blog [ http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ] Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Mar 9 18:31:35 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: has the problem with speech in 9.04 been pinpointed Message-ID: <0KG90091A4SM4P0V@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, has the problem with speech in 9.04 been determined as a problem with espeak? If so, is there any work around? Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Mar 10 05:03:54 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:03:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: speech in 9.04 kind of works after update Message-ID: <0KG900MLUY2HQ653@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I just got updates for 9.04 and Orca talks, but so fast you can't understand it. My daughter helped me set the rate, but it made no difference. I will download a live CD tomorrow and see if the problem was on my machine. Maybe another update from another day is causing problems. Mike. From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Tue Mar 10 14:27:42 2009 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:27:42 -0000 Subject: speech in 9.04 kind of works after update References: <0KG900MLUY2HQ653@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <00908C53C7674D8EADFDFCDFC54CF891@Nika> Hi, I have just tried today's live build and there's an improvement but it's still not usable. Orca starts and keeps running but speech cuts out *all the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: "ubuntu" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:03 AM Subject: speech in 9.04 kind of works after update > Hi, I just got updates for 9.04 and Orca talks, but so fast you can't > understand it. My daughter helped me set the rate, but it made no > difference. I will download a live CD tomorrow and see if the problem was > on my machine. Maybe another update from another day is causing problems. > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 14:54:54 2009 From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:54:54 +0000 Subject: Something Strange Message-ID: <1236696894.30737.9.camel@stormdragon-laptop> As a result of doing several experiments, I have had to reinstall Ubuntu several times. Most of the experiments were in the hope of getting my headphone jacks and microphone working. Although I haven't managed to do that, I have discovered somthing. I have had a lot of problems with Orca suddenly going silent. No big deal, I just relaunch it and it works fine for a while longer before going silent again. I had no clue what could be causing it, it seemed to be a resurface of the problem in 8.04, although a little less persistant. This time, as in this morning with my latest complete reformat and install, Orca hasn't crashed at all. I was using the version of Orca that comes on 8.10, but then I upgraded to the latest trunk version. So far neither version has stopped speaking once. I have been using it for several hours now. The only difference this time is I haven't installed the ubuntu-restricted-extras package. I know the stuff in that package is totally unrelated to Orca, but this is twice now I have noticed the difference. I was sort of reluctant to write about it because it seems a little far fetched, but I have actively been trying to cause the problem with Orca suddenlty stopping, it seems to happen a lot in terminal, and it hasn't failed once. So, is there something in the restricted package that could be conflicting with Orca? Thanks Storm Check out the Storm Dragon blog: http://www.stormdragon.us/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Mar 10 16:52:40 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:52:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I noticed a big difference in the live cd and one problem Message-ID: <0KGA00A5CUVSNBA6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I downloaded the live CD today and found the installer and other admin apps are now accessible when using the live CD. However, after I installed the system several of the apps were no longer accessible from the user account. So this must have been done for the CD only. In any case, good job. The problem I have is I can't save Orca preferences. Pressing apply or Ok does nothing. Is this a known problem? Mike. From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 10 21:48:52 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:48:52 +1100 Subject: I noticed a big difference in the live cd and one problem In-Reply-To: <0KGA00A5CUVSNBA6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KGA00A5CUVSNBA6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090310214852.GA7423@strigy.yelavich.home> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 03:52:40AM EST, mike wrote: > Hi, I downloaded the live CD today and found the installer and other admin apps are now accessible when using the live CD. > However, after I installed the system several of the apps were no longer accessible from the user account. So this must have been done for the CD only. In any case, good job. What applications? I'll investigate. > The problem I have is I can't save Orca preferences. Pressing apply or Ok does nothing. Is this a known problem? Is this on the live CD only, or on an installed system as well? Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm24EQACgkQjVefwtBjIM4iNgCg6hBKdXSDDWcweCR52QvM8bHg PVsAoJbxDhAaYHa5KXsp/WKpg1XXzUDt =3Qpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From herzog at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 11 00:50:19 2009 From: herzog at frontiernet.net (herzog@frontiernet.net@frontiernet.net) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:50:19 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 40, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236732619.22812.29.camel@herzog-laptop> The speed is now slower by hitting what used be called the Micorsoft key and the - key together to slow down. that is MSFT+dash key. MSFT+equal key speeds up. the speed changes are big, and don't take effect right away sometimes; but they are workable ok. Herzog ================================== RE:Subject: speech in 9.04 kind of works after update To: "ubuntu" Message-ID: <0KG900MLUY2HQ653 at vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I just got updates for 9.04 and Orca talks, but so fast you can't understand it. My daughter helped me set the rate, but it made no difference. I will download a live CD tomorrow and see if the problem was on my machine. Maybe another update from another day is causing problems. Mike. From s.bienlein at gmx.de Wed Mar 11 17:44:51 2009 From: s.bienlein at gmx.de (Simon Bienlein) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:44:51 +0100 Subject: I noticed a big difference in the live cd and one problem In-Reply-To: <20090310214852.GA7423@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <0KGA00A5CUVSNBA6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090310214852.GA7423@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <49B7F893.2090107@gmx.de> Hi Luke, Am 10.03.2009 22:48, Luke Yelavich schrieb: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 03:52:40AM EST, mike wrote: [...] >> The problem I have is I can't save Orca preferences. Pressing apply or Ok does nothing. Is this a known problem? > > Is this on the live CD only, or on an installed system as well? I have this problem on the live CD. Simon From davaweb at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 11 19:50:12 2009 From: davaweb at bigpond.net.au (David Ryder) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:50:12 +1100 Subject: Laptop screens Message-ID: <1236801012.6941.6.camel@ubuntu-server64> Hi, Does anybody know of any laptop (suitable for linux) that allows the user to display the screen in mirror image? Available preferably in Australia and/or the UK? Much needed but I can't find any. Many thanks, David From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Thu Mar 12 00:42:04 2009 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:42:04 +0100 Subject: Laptop screens In-Reply-To: <1236801012.6941.6.camel@ubuntu-server64> References: <1236801012.6941.6.camel@ubuntu-server64> Message-ID: <20090312004204.GY5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> David Ryder, le Thu 12 Mar 2009 06:50:12 +1100, a écrit : > Does anybody know of any laptop (suitable for linux) that allows the > user to display the screen in mirror image? What do you mean by "mirror image"? xrandr -x ? Samuel From davaweb at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 12 01:29:34 2009 From: davaweb at bigpond.net.au (David Ryder) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:29:34 +1100 Subject: Laptop screens In-Reply-To: <20090312004204.GY5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> References: <1236801012.6941.6.camel@ubuntu-server64> <20090312004204.GY5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> Message-ID: <1236821374.6988.8.camel@ubuntu-server64> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 01:42 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > David Ryder, le Thu 12 Mar 2009 06:50:12 +1100, a écrit : > > Does anybody know of any laptop (suitable for linux) that allows the > > user to display the screen in mirror image? > > What do you mean by "mirror image"? > > xrandr -x > > ? > > Samuel Hold a mirror up to the screen and look at it in the mirror. What you will see is called "mirror image". It a visual disability for people that see that way. From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Thu Mar 12 01:34:06 2009 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:34:06 +0100 Subject: Laptop screens In-Reply-To: <1236821374.6988.8.camel@ubuntu-server64> References: <1236801012.6941.6.camel@ubuntu-server64> <20090312004204.GY5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> <1236821374.6988.8.camel@ubuntu-server64> Message-ID: <20090312013406.GU5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> David Ryder, le Thu 12 Mar 2009 12:29:34 +1100, a écrit : > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 01:42 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > David Ryder, le Thu 12 Mar 2009 06:50:12 +1100, a écrit : > > > Does anybody know of any laptop (suitable for linux) that allows the > > > user to display the screen in mirror image? > > > > What do you mean by "mirror image"? > > > > xrandr -x > > > > ? > > Hold a mirror up to the screen and look at it in the mirror. What you > will see is called "mirror image". Ok, so just run xrandr -x Samuel From davaweb at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 12 04:08:48 2009 From: davaweb at bigpond.net.au (David Ryder) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:08:48 +1100 Subject: Laptop screens In-Reply-To: <20090312013406.GU5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> References: <1236801012.6941.6.camel@ubuntu-server64> <20090312004204.GY5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> <1236821374.6988.8.camel@ubuntu-server64> <20090312013406.GU5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> Message-ID: <1236830928.6988.27.camel@ubuntu-server64> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 02:34 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > David Ryder, le Thu 12 Mar 2009 12:29:34 +1100, a écrit : > > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 01:42 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > David Ryder, le Thu 12 Mar 2009 06:50:12 +1100, a écrit : > > > > Does anybody know of any laptop (suitable for linux) that allows the > > > > user to display the screen in mirror image? > > > > > > What do you mean by "mirror image"? > > > > > > xrandr -x > > > > > > ? > > > > Hold a mirror up to The moderator is holding up an email I sent that included a jpg to decide if the email is legitimate. Meanwhile, I tried the command on a spare box and. yes, it worked except the system froze. I should have said I'm on Hardy 8.02. I have read up on it but am not sure what I need to edit so it boots that way. Of course, my preference would be for a display card/adapter to do the work so the whole computer was permanently like that? Is there a hardware way? David > the screen and look at it in the mirror. What you > > will see is called "mirror image". > > Ok, so just run > > xrandr -x > > Samuel From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Thu Mar 12 08:45:30 2009 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:45:30 +0100 Subject: Laptop screens In-Reply-To: <1236825914.6988.17.camel@ubuntu-server64> References: <1236801012.6941.6.camel@ubuntu-server64> <20090312004204.GY5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> <1236821374.6988.8.camel@ubuntu-server64> <20090312013406.GU5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> <1236825914.6988.17.camel@ubuntu-server64> Message-ID: <20090312084529.GA5284@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> David Ryder, le Thu 12 Mar 2009 13:45:14 +1100, a écrit : > Does this mean that if _you_ did xrandr -x, your display would be like > the enclosed? I _did_ it before sending my mail, to check that it was xrandr -x and not xrandr -y, yes. (and actually had a hard time typing xrandr -o normal to get back to normal :) ) > I guess boot up, setup,install would be excluded? - Text mode would be more kernel work. - X-based install is a matter of integrating the call to that command. - IIRC FB has a mirror option too. Samuel From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Thu Mar 12 18:30:19 2009 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:30:19 +0100 Subject: Laptop screens In-Reply-To: <1236830928.6988.27.camel@ubuntu-server64> References: <1236801012.6941.6.camel@ubuntu-server64> <20090312004204.GY5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> <1236821374.6988.8.camel@ubuntu-server64> <20090312013406.GU5732@const.famille.thibault.fr> <1236830928.6988.27.camel@ubuntu-server64> Message-ID: <20090312183019.GI5284@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> David Ryder, le Thu 12 Mar 2009 15:08:48 +1100, a écrit : > Of course, my preference would be for a display card/adapter to do the > work so the whole computer was permanently like that? Is there a > hardware way? It is possible, yes. Probably easier with DVI ports than with VGA ports. I guess that may already exists as there is probably already some needs in other contexts (street screens rendered indirectly or such). I have not idea where to look for it, however. As a side note, I'm very curious about the disability itself: do people who need this fix actually read reversed? I really wonder how that can be. I can understand that one could better understand a reverted mouse, but reverted reading quite astonishes me. Would you have links explaining this a bit more? Samuel From finlac at mail.com Thu Mar 12 21:05:02 2009 From: finlac at mail.com (Chuck Finlayson) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:05:02 -0500 Subject: Please remove me from the list Message-ID: <20090312210503.1703A1BF2A3@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Please remove me from the list which generates emails about Ubuntu. Thanks,Charles Finlayson -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Mar 13 13:28:55 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:28:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: speech dispatcher and 9.04 Message-ID: <0KGG002T85G6P3D6@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, has anyone been able to get speech-dispatcher working in 9.04. I haven't had much luck with it. In fact I don't even see it in the orca settings. Thanks for any help Mike. From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Mar 13 14:35:26 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:35:26 +0100 Subject: Shutdown/Logout dialog question In-Reply-To: <0KGG002T85G6P3D6@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KGG002T85G6P3D6@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <49BA6F2E.2090307@pickup.hu> Dear List! Luke, I am very happy because the Shutdown/Logout dialogs are talking with Jaunty Alpha-6 live cd. But interesting when I install the system, the installed system this dialogs are inaccessible with Orca. What can I do to fix this problem? Anybody confirm this problem? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Mar 13 14:46:44 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:46:44 +0100 Subject: New ubiquity frontend impressions Message-ID: <49BA71D4.3010901@pickup.hu> Dear List! I seeing some interesting problem with the new Ubiquity installer frontend: 1. When the language dialog is displayed (step 2), if I tabbed the language combobox, the selected language is not spokened my machine. 2. The keyboard laiout dialog (step 4), Orca says the "suggested option:" radiobutton item, but not spoken what the suggested keyboard layout after the "Suggested keyboard layout:" text. I see only the suggested keyboard layout with flat review mode. Possible fix this with final release? 3. The partitioner part (step 5) I see a scroll table item. What the task this table control? Now I using the radio buttons (use entire disk, manual partition etc). The old partitioner dialog is better with this new dialog. Possible fix this dialog with accessibility purpose? 4. The last summary dialog (step 8) Orca says the read-only edit box control, but impossible moving this control with the arrow keys, Orca does'nt speak the summary informations, only the flatreview command help. 5. Very lot of the untranslated dialogs now with the frontend. What can the url of the translation this frontend with launchpad? Or this dialogs now not translatable? 6. All buttons (forward, back, quit) Orca says with the installer frontend with following: _forward, _back, _quit. Some buttons are not have a mnemonics letter, for example when the user give a too short password, or the final summarize dialog (forward button). Thanks, Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Mar 16 02:15:44 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:15:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: a question about 9.04 and orca? Message-ID: <0KGK003FMUA80TD6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, has anyone tried the live CD today? If so, has the problem with Orca settings not being saved been corrected. I am using intrepid right now, but want to go back to 9.04 as soon as I can because it is so much better. Mike. From thomaslloyd at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 18:27:56 2009 From: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com (Thomas Lloyd) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:27:56 +0000 Subject: PulseAudio pesistent volume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1237228076.13237.3.camel@DualCore810.vipsight.info> Any ideas how to get PulseAudio to save the last volume level at logout and when the next user sessions loads it will set the master volume back to the same level. At the moment it sets it back to 100% each time. Now I have switched off the login sounds to save my ears and sanity. Tom From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 17 13:23:36 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:23:36 +0100 Subject: Shutdown/Logout dialog question In-Reply-To: <49BA6F2E.2090307@pickup.hu> References: <0KGG002T85G6P3D6@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> <49BA6F2E.2090307@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <49BFA458.9000602@pickup.hu> Dear List! Anybody use the shutdown/logout dialogs with Orca in Alpha6 release? I installed few hours ago the 32 bit release with my Toshiba notebook, all updates are installed. The system/shutdown or logout dialogs is full accessible with Orca. But the 64 bit release my desktop machine (all updates are installed) the shutdown/logout dialogs are inaccessible. Live cd works correct this dialogs with all releases. Attila From christian08 at runbox.com Tue Mar 17 15:30:16 2009 From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:30:16 +0100 Subject: Shutdown/Logout dialog question In-Reply-To: <49BFA458.9000602@pickup.hu> References: <0KGG002T85G6P3D6@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> <49BA6F2E.2090307@pickup.hu> <49BFA458.9000602@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <200903171630160656.000BB1A7@127.0.0.1> Hi, Ok, maybe I should download Alpha6 and give it a try.So Orca now talks after isntallation? You did not have to install some later version of Orca? Many thanks, Christian On 2009-03-17 at 14:23 Hammer Attila wrote: >Dear List! > >Anybody use the shutdown/logout dialogs with Orca in Alpha6 release? >I installed few hours ago the 32 bit release with my Toshiba notebook, >all updates are installed. The system/shutdown or logout dialogs is full >accessible with Orca. > >But the 64 bit release my desktop machine (all updates are installed) >the shutdown/logout dialogs are inaccessible. >Live cd works correct this dialogs with all releases. > >Attila > >-- >Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 20:15:57 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:15:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: has anyone tried the live cd today Message-ID: <0KGO00BXI2YKBFD0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, has anyone tried the live cd today. If so, has the problem with orca settings not being saved been corrected? If it hasn't been, is there a orcaconf file somewhere that can be edited by hand? Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090317-0, 03/17/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From kb8aey at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 20:04:27 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:04:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca settings Message-ID: <0KGP00AM7X3FXWG2@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried logging in into 9.04 as root today and found I could save Orca settings as root. But it is still not possible to save Orca settings in my account for some reason. I also found as root using the spd-conf program I was able to get speech-dispatcher to work in that account. But I could only do this by creating a user setup. For some reason the system setup didn't work at all. Maybe I am doing something wrong. Has anyone been successful at getting speech-dispatcher to work in 9.04. If so, what do I have to change in the config. After setting the user while in the root account or in my account, it doesn't show up in the Orca settings in my account, only in root. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 18:36:30 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:36:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: here is a way around the orca save settings problem for now Message-ID: <0KGR00H0HNOTO0Y1@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, to anyone installing 9.04, you will find at this time you can't save the Orca settings in your account. I'm sure this issue is being worked on, but for now here is how to fix this. First create a new account for yourself, log in to that account and set up Orca. When you log back in you will find you can save the Orca settings. Next delete your old account. If you are happy with the new name, that is all you have to do. But if you still want your original name on the account do the following. In terminal, type usermod -l followed by a space and type the name you used before followed by a space and the name you are using on this new account right now. Then press enter and log out. You should now be able to log in under the name you wanted for the account and Orca will work fine. Hope this helps some of you. Mike. From kenny at hittsjunk.net Thu Mar 19 18:49:59 2009 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:59 -0500 Subject: here is a way around the orca save settings problem for now In-Reply-To: <0KGR00H0HNOTO0Y1@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KGR00H0HNOTO0Y1@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090319184959.GF3210@hittsjunk.net> Hi. Your solution suggests the problem was a permitions issue with the account that couldn't save settings. Not sure what you did or why it happened, though. Best guess is you somehow changed the permitions on that user's home dir. Kenny On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 01:36:30PM -0500, mike wrote: > Hi, to anyone installing 9.04, you will find at this time you can't save the Orca settings in your account. I'm sure this issue is being worked on, but for now here is how to fix this. > First create a new account for yourself, log in to that account and set up Orca. When you log back in you will find you can save the Orca settings. > Next delete your old account. If you are happy with the new name, that is all you have to do. But if you still want your original name on the account do the following. > In terminal, type usermod -l followed by a space and type the name you used before followed by a space and the name you are using on this new account right now. Then press enter and log out. > You should now be able to log in under the name you wanted for the account and Orca will work fine. > Hope this helps some of you. > Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Mar 21 05:21:25 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:21:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: a question about changing permissions Message-ID: <0KGU00G4JC7O9N95@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried to change the permissions on my home folder in 9.04 thinking that was the problem with not being able to save Orca settings. But I wasn't able to change them, even when logged in as root. I have never tried to change permissions on my home folder before. Anyone have any ideas. I checked a live CD and found one setting on the home folder that was different. So this may be the reason we can't save settings in the account created when doing a install using Orca. Mike. From christian08 at runbox.com Sun Mar 22 16:30:07 2009 From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:30:07 +0100 Subject: Installing Alpha6 Message-ID: <200903221730070187.000C8E6A@127.0.0.1> Hi all, I've tried isntalling Alpha 6 but I get no speech. I know that some of you have isntalled it, but how? I can use Orca without any problems if i dont run it as root. Many thanks, Christian From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Mar 23 00:43:34 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:43:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: strange thing with 9.04 and orca Message-ID: <0KGX00ELAOOLE6P8@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Today I decided to try the update manager in 9.04. I found it not only worked, but I also got progress updates. I tried the settings after it finished and the software sources came up and worked. I then tried the other adman apps and they all worked from my account, but when closing any of them Orca also either crashed or closed, I don't know which since I can't see the screen. But I could start Orca with no problem. However, after restarting the computer, like before most of the admin apps were not accessible from my account. Running update manager first for some reason seems to correct this problem to some extent. Maybe this info will be useful in finding the problem. As of today, the Orca settings still can't be saved in your account. I am very impressed with 9.04, it seems to be very responsive. Mike. From guyster at bex.net Tue Mar 24 16:31:56 2009 From: guyster at bex.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:31:56 -0400 Subject: shutdown menu item Message-ID: <20090324093224.1C250D41@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> Hi all, I just have a quick question regarding Ubuntu Jaunty. I recall earlier, Luke saying he was going to try and put the shutdown menu item back in the system menu. Is that still going to happen? Not that I can't get to it through the toolbar, but I'm so used to seeing shutdown in the system menu, that it's a little wierd to me. I have to say though, I am extremely impressed with the responsiveness of orca in Jaunty. If I can get the crackling and studdering to go away when I go to play a game of asteroids or Galaga using sdlmame, I won't have to disable pulseaudio in favor of Alsa, like I have done on my desktop machine, running Intrepid. Thanks, Guy From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 24 21:31:37 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:31:37 +1100 Subject: shutdown menu item In-Reply-To: <20090324093224.1C250D41@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090324093224.1C250D41@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20090324213137.GA4633@strigy.yelavich.home> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:31:56AM EST, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, I just have a quick question regarding Ubuntu Jaunty. I > recall earlier, Luke saying he was going to try and put the shutdown > menu item back in the system menu. Is that still going to > happen? Unfortunately I can't convince the powers that be to make the shutdown menu item the default again, however when you install from the live CD using the blindness/Braille accessibility profiles, the shutdown menu will be there as you expect it. Luke From aerospace1028 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 25 11:44:18 2009 From: aerospace1028 at hotmail.com (aerospace1028 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:44:18 -0400 Subject: firewall quesstions Message-ID: greetings, I almost think something similar had been asked on this list a few months ago, but i could not dig it up in the archives. First off, after a year of growing comfortable with ubuntu and orca on a test machine, I finally installed Ubuntu (8.04 "hardy herrin") onto my everyday machine. My test machine did not have internet access, so there were still several asspecs of ubuntu I was unable to try. In particular, I would like to implimment a firewall before I turn the internet on while using my new ubuntu system (FYI, the computer is set up to duel-boot from windows as well). Doing some basic research I found out there are two options, firestarter and ufw. 1: is firestarter accessible with orca? @: which is easier to learn for a novice? I have no experience with network management, iftables or other advanced concepts. In windows, I set my firewall to high/highest security and don't need to return to it often. All I want is to allow my necessary activity ("apt-get update", reading my e-mail and googling instructions on how to get orca/ubuntu/etc to work well) and block almost everything else. Thankyou:-) and appologies for jumping in now. I know most people are focused on the upcoming 9.04 release. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomaslloyd at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 19:53:19 2009 From: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com (Tom Lloyd) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dust off those SAPI speech engines, Open SAPI is open for business :) Message-ID: <139650.20745.qm@web54107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> #:¬Þ Want a Holiday Check out our many houses on offer, go on you know you want to. Down with all the other intresting things that are at the end of e-mails http:\\www.villas-la-miranda.com --- On Wed, 25/3/09, Tom Lloyd wrote: Hey All, Please note the code is incomplete but works, details on the wiki are incomplete please ask questions join in and help out. The wiki for the Open SAPI project now has details on how to setup a development enviroment to get the SAPI engine running under wine. This will run with speech-dispatcher and orca, not brilliantly and ever so buggy but it is a work in progress. It will only get better with your input. I have had the system running very nicely but during a rework i have managed to introduce some bugs. http://code.google.com/p/open-sapi/ There is a discussion group to ask questions and make suggestions and comments which will help me & others add more detail to the wiki. http://groups.google.com/group/open-sapi Any help is welcome, wiki writers, developers, SAPI engine owners. I know it does not work brilliantly at the moment so please do not reply with "it does not work". Any constructive feedback is welcomed. Please post this to any other sites, mailing lists and forums where people might be interested especially other distros and Mac. Tom From tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 20:07:22 2009 From: tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk (Anthony Sales) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:07:22 -0000 Subject: Vinux 1.4 Released! Message-ID: I am happy to announce the release of Vinux 1.4! Vinux a free and open source operating system which has been optimised for visually impaired users. It is based on the popular Ubuntu Linux distribution and built around the Orca screen-reader/magnifier. It is designed to boot your computer, log you in automatically and then start up the Orca screen-reader with Braille support. Full-screen magnification can then be activated with a simple keystroke. New Features for 1.4! Security: Unlike previous versions Vinux 1.4 has been built from scratch using the Ubuntu 'mini.iso' 10MB network installation which means it contains all of the latest packages and security patches as of the day of release. Audible Boot Prompt: The Live CD now sounds the system bell three times when the boot prompt appears on the screen, which then gives you thirty seconds to type in any cheatcodes or boot options you require. e.g. typing 'textonly' will boot into console only mode, you can then type 'yasr' to start a console based screen-reader. Braille Displays: The Live CD now supports a wide variety of serial Braille displays in edition to the automatic detection of USB Braille displays. In order to use a serial Braille display or a USB Braille display with a different language table you simply have to type in a short code at the boot prompt. e.g. 'alde' for an Alva Serial display using the German language table, or 'alude' for an Alva USB display using the german language table. There are a full list of cheatcodes included in the 'cheatcodes_braille_displays.txt' on the CD. By default Vinux supports USB Braille displays using the en_uk language table. Talking Login Screen: Once installed espeak will now ask you to enter your username and password when the login screen is loaded providing you do not enable autologin during the installation process. It will not however echo what you type, but if you enter the wrong username and/or password you will be asked to enter them again. It is important that you should not enable autologin if you are using a wifi connection as the keyring manager workaround detailed below depends upon a manual login to work! Keyring Manager Workaround: Vinux now includes a workaround of sorts for the keyring manager which is currently inaccessible with Orca. We have set up a pre-configured keyring password 'vinux' which is retained on both the Live CD and a full install. This means that when you try to connect to a wifi network and Orca stops speaking when the keyring manager password dialog box opens, you simply have to type 'vinux' into this box and as long as autologin is not enabled you will never have to enter the keyring password again. Lynx Fix: Lynx, Netrik and Firefox now use a local copy of the vinux.org.uk homepage as their starting URL's by default which means that you can open the broswers without problems whether you have an active internet connection or not. Menu Entries for Console Applications: I have added menu entries for some of the extra console based applications provided in Vinux. This is to enable beginners who may not know the names of these applications or their way around the console to find and experiment with them more easily. Download Vinux 1.4 - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/1.4/Vinux-1.4.iso Check md5sum - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/1.4/Vinux-1.4.iso.md5sum.txt Vinux Homepage - http://vinux.org.uk/index.php Full lists of all of the Keybindings for Vinux, Orca, Gnome and Yasr can be found in the Vinux folder in the the home directory. Credits: I would like to thank Osvaldo La Rosa for all his hard work in providing the audible beeps and the Braille display cheatcodes, and David Knight for suggesting the workaround for the keyring manager bug! drbongo 24/03/2009 From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Mar 26 07:38:55 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:38:55 +0100 Subject: Automatic accessible login question with Orca (Gdm) in Jaunty Message-ID: <49CB310F.6020704@pickup.hu> Dear List! Now the accessible login feature not start Orca screenreader automaticaly, only works if the user doing a gesture with this function, for example with the user press the Ctrl+S key with 1 second. Possible doing following think: When the gdm start and the username dialog is present the display, Orca please start automaticaly with the --nosetup option, similar with the talking installer method (the install Ubuntu menu item with the live cd). Or now this is impossible doing? If this is not impossible doing, what can I try test to realize this function? Attila From thomaslloyd at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 13:43:59 2009 From: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com (Tom Lloyd) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Appologies from open-sapi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <722199.67745.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> HI all, Just a quick note that if people are replying about open sapi in the orca list I think that the replies are getting removed as it is not related to orca directly. Please if you want to join our discussion group send a blank e-mail to: open-sapi-subscribe at googlegroups.com if you want to post directly to the group send mails to: open-sapi at googlegroups.com You can post without being a member. Alternativley mail me directly. Sorry again orca guys and keep up the great work Tom From christian08 at runbox.com Fri Mar 27 23:35:34 2009 From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:35:34 +0100 Subject: Jaunty Beta Message-ID: <200903280035340593.000F5AD8@127.0.0.1> Hi all, has anyone downloaded and tried the new Beta of Jaunty? If so, how's it working for you? many thanks, Christian From mj at mjw.se Sat Mar 28 10:58:08 2009 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:58:08 +0100 Subject: SV: Jaunty Beta In-Reply-To: <200903280035340593.000F5AD8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000301c9af94$1449eee0$b116e255@jonsson2> Yes i run jaunty with wubi I like it Quick start etc -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] För Christian Skickat: den 28 mars 2009 00:36 Till: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Ämne: Jaunty Beta Hi all, has anyone downloaded and tried the new Beta of Jaunty? If so, how's it working for you? many thanks, Christian -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From christian08 at runbox.com Sat Mar 28 14:08:59 2009 From: christian08 at runbox.com (Christian) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:08:59 +0100 Subject: SV: Jaunty Beta In-Reply-To: <000301c9af94$1449eee0$b116e255@jonsson2> References: <000301c9af94$1449eee0$b116e255@jonsson2> Message-ID: <200903281508590031.00077906@127.0.0.1> Hi, OK, i have just installed it on my machine and I have issues with speech being cut off. I installed speech-dispatcher and now I am using IBMTTS with better result. Many thanks, Christian On 2009-03-28 at 11:58 mattias wrote: >Yes i run jaunty with wubi >I like it >Quick start etc > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Från: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com >[mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] För Christian >Skickat: den 28 mars 2009 00:36 >Till: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >Ämne: Jaunty Beta > > >Hi all, >has anyone downloaded and tried the new Beta of Jaunty? >If so, how's it working for you? >many thanks, >Christian > > >-- >Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > >-- >Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From mj at mjw.se Sat Mar 28 14:12:12 2009 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:12:12 +0100 Subject: SV: SV: Jaunty Beta In-Reply-To: <200903281508590031.00077906@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <000401c9afaf$308d1620$b116e255@jonsson2> Do you compile spd? Or use apt-get? I try to compile spd and it work but ora will not see it Yes i compiled python-speechd -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Christian [mailto:christian08 at runbox.com] Skickat: den 28 mars 2009 15:09 Till: mj at mjw.se; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Ämne: Re: SV: Jaunty Beta Hi, OK, i have just installed it on my machine and I have issues with speech being cut off. I installed speech-dispatcher and now I am using IBMTTS with better result. Many thanks, Christian On 2009-03-28 at 11:58 mattias wrote: >Yes i run jaunty with wubi >I like it >Quick start etc > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Från: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com >[mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] För Christian >Skickat: den 28 mars 2009 00:36 >Till: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >Ämne: Jaunty Beta > > >Hi all, >has anyone downloaded and tried the new Beta of Jaunty? >If so, how's it working for you? >many thanks, >Christian > > >-- >Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > >-- >Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Mar 28 19:39:50 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:39:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: orca settings Message-ID: <0KH8000XLEMDGMH6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I got the latest live CD and see Orca settings in the original user account still can't be saved. Has anyone found a work around for this? Mike. From themuso at ubuntu.com Sat Mar 28 23:14:57 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:14:57 +1100 Subject: orca settings In-Reply-To: <0KH8000XLEMDGMH6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KH8000XLEMDGMH6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090328231457.GA4979@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 06:39:50AM EST, mike wrote: > Hi, I got the latest live CD and see Orca settings in the original user account still can't be saved. Has anyone found a work around for this? Exactly what are you trying to do to make this work? I committed a fix recently that should allow orca settings to be saved when you are running the live session. THis fix works for me, so I am interested in what you are trying, and where. Luke From jan.mura at volny.cz Sun Mar 29 00:14:55 2009 From: jan.mura at volny.cz (Jan Mura) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:14:55 +0100 Subject: Orca doesn't speak Message-ID: <49CEBD7F.2050403@volny.cz> Hello, I have installed new Linux, then installed brltty and Orca(thru apt/synaptic, package gnome-orca). The problem is, Orca started after Gnome has started but it does not speak. But it has spoken when a friend of mine started it for the first time and it opened some text settings window. As for the Braille display it works ok with Orca as well as with Brltty. Thank you in advance Jan Mura From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Mar 29 02:35:06 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:35:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: a question about sound in 9.04 Message-ID: <0KH800JBRXUFX3H6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried to play a movie file today in 9.04 and found that Orca was still able to be used. This is great. I think Luke said he disabled pulse, so what is being used now. I show alsa, so was a way found to get both Orca and audio to work through alsa. I always had to switch to speech-dispatcher or pulse in the past. I will say 9.04 is shaping up to be a very nice distro. Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090328-0, 03/28/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From vilmar at informal.com.br Sun Mar 29 05:33:50 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:33:50 -0300 Subject: orca settings In-Reply-To: <0KH8000XLEMDGMH6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KH8000XLEMDGMH6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <49CF083E.2000909@informal.com.br> Hi, Today I did install jaunty in my machine and I found a similar problem. It was not possible to save orca settings in my account. I found in my home directory a .orca directory owned by root. I removed the .orca directory and after this I could save the settings. code: sudo rm -rf ~/.orca Hope this helps. On 28-03-2009 16:39, mike wrote: > Hi, I got the latest live CD and see Orca settings in the original user account still can't be saved. Has anyone found a work around for this? > Mike. > > From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Mar 29 07:12:42 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:12:42 +1100 Subject: orca settings In-Reply-To: <49CF083E.2000909@informal.com.br> References: <0KH8000XLEMDGMH6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <49CF083E.2000909@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <20090329071242.GA2325@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 04:33:50PM EST, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > Today I did install jaunty in my machine and I found a similar problem. > It was not possible to save orca settings in my account. > > I found in my home directory a .orca directory owned by root. > I removed the .orca directory and after this I could save the settings. > code: > sudo rm -rf ~/.orca > > Hope this helps. Ouch, looks like I either missed something, or made a typo in my code. I'll go and fix that right now. Luke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From vilmar at informal.com.br Sun Mar 29 08:10:14 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:10:14 -0300 Subject: orca settings In-Reply-To: <20090329071242.GA2325@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <0KH8000XLEMDGMH6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <49CF083E.2000909@informal.com.br> <20090329071242.GA2325@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <49CF2CE6.9070200@informal.com.br> I forgot to mention that my installation was made using a CD that I downloaded 26-march. Perhaps your code wasn't there. On 29-03-2009 04:12, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 04:33:50PM EST, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi, >> Today I did install jaunty in my machine and I found a similar problem. >> It was not possible to save orca settings in my account. >> >> I found in my home directory a .orca directory owned by root. >> I removed the .orca directory and after this I could save the settings. >> code: >> sudo rm -rf ~/.orca >> >> Hope this helps. >> > > Ouch, looks like I either missed something, or made a typo in my code. I'll go and fix that right now. > > Luke > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vilmar at informal.com.br Sun Mar 29 08:15:48 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:15:48 -0300 Subject: orca, viavoice and multi channel Message-ID: <49CF2E34.9080807@informal.com.br> Hi all, I mannaged to install jaunty and viavoice in my machine. My problem is that I can not play for example music while viavoice is active. Am I doing something wrong? Is it possible to find a workaround? Thanks. From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Mar 29 08:34:27 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:34:27 +0200 Subject: Accessible login question In-Reply-To: <49CF2E34.9080807@informal.com.br> References: <49CF2E34.9080807@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <49CF3293.2070702@pickup.hu> Dear List! Anybody works the accessible login feature in Jaunty with Orca? I doed following steps for this guide and Orca not launch when I press Ctrl+S for one second with login screen: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin The Accessible login checkbox is enabled with the gdmsetup preference tool. Have any ydeas? Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Mar 30 05:24:34 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: problems after updating 9.04 to night Message-ID: <0KHB002Y80CXGQTM@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I just got the updates for 9.04 and Luke's fix was broken. There were some pulse audio updates and after restarting Orca was back to speaking so fast that you can't understand it. I hope this isn't going to be the case every time we update 9.04 in the future, because I like the way it works when Orca works correctly. Mike. From nolan at thewordnerd.info Mon Mar 30 06:27:22 2009 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (nolan) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:27:22 -0000 Subject: problems after updating 9.04 to night References: <0KHB002Y80CXGQTM@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <49D0664A.6030205@thewordnerd.info> I can confirm this. I took the plunge and installed Jaunty earlier this evening. Quite impressed thus far. I was rather skeptical reading everyone's praise, as getting a good accessibility configuration seems to be a bit of a black art and I couldn't imagine getting it right without individual tweaking, but it's very snappy out of the box on my Eee, and I'm actually thinkingg I won't need to install speech-dispatcher and deal with custom configs. For the curious, I'm using the gnome-speech espeak driver, which worked poorly on Intrepid but performs nicely on Jaunty. But the latest updates broke speech. Orca either spoke at normal speed, or incredibly sped up for a phrase or two. It also seemed to truncate everything such that the ends of all phrases were lost. This didn't seem to affect sound playback, though, as I successfully played an MP3 just fine. I just re-installed the beta, and will avoid applying updates for a while until this is resolved. The beta seems quite reliable. On 03/30/2009 12:24 AM, mike wrote: > Hi, I just got the updates for 9.04 and Luke's fix was broken. There were some pulse audio updates and after restarting Orca was back to speaking so fast that you can't understand it. > I hope this isn't going to be the case every time we update 9.04 in the future, because I like the way it works when Orca works correctly. > Mike. > > From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Mar 30 06:43:26 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:43:26 +1100 Subject: problems after updating 9.04 to night In-Reply-To: <0KHB002Y80CXGQTM@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KHB002Y80CXGQTM@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090330064326.GB9757@strigy.yelavich.home> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:24:34PM EST, mike wrote: > Hi, I just got the updates for 9.04 and Luke's fix was broken. There were some pulse audio updates and after restarting Orca was back to speaking so fast that you can't understand it. > I hope this isn't going to be the case every time we update 9.04 in the future, because I like the way it works when Orca works correctly. No, and this should be fixed as of the msot recent updatesw that you retrieve, hwoever you have to create an empty file in your home directory, .pulse_a11y_nostart. This file will be created on fresh installs however. Luke From nolan at thewordnerd.info Mon Mar 30 07:10:50 2009 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (nolan) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:10:50 -0000 Subject: problems after updating 9.04 to night References: <0KHB002Y80CXGQTM@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> <20090330064326.GB9757@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <49D0707A.9070100@thewordnerd.info> On 03/30/2009 01:43 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > No, and this should be fixed as of the msot recent updatesw that you > retrieve, hwoever you have to create an empty file in your home > directory, .pulse_a11y_nostart. This file will be created on fresh > installs however. I'm curious. From my perspective, there have been huge speech latency improvements in Jaunty out of the box. I'm speaking as someone who loaded Intrepid onto a USB stick to have a backup if the Jaunty install failed, so I ran out-of-the-box Intrepid and Jaunty installs within the span of a few hours and can definitely justify the comparison. In looking through my processes, I'm seeing the usual pulseaudio processes, and am quite satisfied with the low latency I'm receiving, particularly if I add my user to the pulse-rt group and get realtime scheduling. If I'm experiencing any latency due to pulse, it's barely noticeable, much less so than in Intrepid, and I'd rather take the latency hit in exchange for the benefits of pulseaudio (bluetooth routing, 5.1 configuration, etc.) It's great that we now have an easy way to disable pulse, and I'm all in favor of that. Will I have to disable pulse if I want my system to work after applying the updates, however? Hopefully not, because what I experienced after the update wasn't like anything I'd ever experienced in nearly a year of using pulse, and I hope I don't have the choice of either an accessible system or the benefits of PA, but not both. Thanks for all your hard work on this! Breakage aside, it's performing mostly solidly on my Eee. In Intrepid, I had one hotkey to restart speech-dispatcher, another to restart orca, and I'd have to employ them both at various points very regularly, with no logs or anything that might help me file a useful bug report. I haven't needed to restart orca in over an hour now--not since before this install at least--and that was unheard of on Intrepidd. Sure, that's due to a combination of lots of efforts, but it's yielding nice results on the a11y front. :) From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Mar 30 18:54:39 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:54:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I have a question about the live cd Message-ID: <0KHC0001N1V2FF4I@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, when you download the live CD. Do you get the files as of the beginning of the day, or does the site build your CD with all updates as of the time you started downloading? Mike. From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Mar 30 22:12:03 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:12:03 +1100 Subject: I have a question about the live cd In-Reply-To: <0KHC0001N1V2FF4I@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KHC0001N1V2FF4I@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090330221203.GB4836@strigy.yelavich.home> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 05:54:39AM EST, mike wrote: > Hi, when you download the live CD. Do you get the files as of the beginning of the day, or does the site build your CD with all updates as of the time you started downloading? The live CD is built at approximately 6/7:30AM UTC every day, except at times when release disks are being prepared, so when you download an image, you are downloading a prebuilt image for that day. Luke From nolan at thewordnerd.info Tue Mar 31 05:20:35 2009 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (nolan) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:20:35 -0000 Subject: Pulse clarification Message-ID: <49D1A823.5090205@thewordnerd.info> Since at least one other person was curious about this, and since it confused me: It looks as if accessible installs are intended to forego pulse. I was confused by the presence of pulse-session in my list of processes, thinking that perhaps the newer versions of pulse had dramatically reduced latency, but it wasn't using pulse at all when I installed paman and friends to try connecting. That said, I'm glad there's an easy and non-invasive way to disable/enable pulse. I noticed some sound glitches on my Eee using pure ALSA that vanish under pulse, so I'm seeing how newer versions perform. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that the pulse/speech-dispatcher stack performs any better under Jaunty, so I may switch back to ALSA and just deal with the occasional sound studdering. From nolan at thewordnerd.info Tue Mar 31 05:26:55 2009 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (nolan) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:26:55 -0000 Subject: Inaccessible logout and reset dialogs Message-ID: <49D1A99F.5000208@thewordnerd.info> Do we know what causes these? It appears to me to be highly random, that or it depends on factors which I'm tweaking without knowing it. It looks like /etc/sudoers as shipped includes the necessary ATK variables in the environment, though I don't know if that's relevant in this instance. I also tried with a /root/.orbitrc present, as well as one in my home directory. At one point I got it working, thinking that the key was the lack of a orbitrc in $HOME (yeah, I know, I'm reaching. :) It seems to work, or not, then keep that working/non-working state throughout the session. I tested both the shutdown and logout dialogs several times in the previous working session and they worked like a charm. In this session, though, both refuse to work repeatedly. Strange how this behavior is so non-deterministic, seems like it should either just work or just not. :) Thoughts? From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 31 05:41:54 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:41:54 +1100 Subject: Inaccessible logout and reset dialogs In-Reply-To: <49D1A99F.5000208@thewordnerd.info> References: <49D1A99F.5000208@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <20090331054154.GA5155@strigy.yelavich.home> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 04:26:55PM EST, nolan wrote: > At one point I got it working, thinking that the key was the lack of a > orbitrc in $HOME (yeah, I know, I'm reaching. :) It seems to work, or > not, then keep that working/non-working state throughout the session. I > tested both the shutdown and logout dialogs several times in the > previous working session and they worked like a charm. In this session, > though, both refuse to work repeatedly. Strange how this behavior is so > non-deterministic, seems like it should either just work or just not. :) This is what is called a race condition. The way things are set up, at-spi should load very early on in the session setup, then the gnome-session should then get things sorted to deal with the dialogs. However what is actually happening more often than not is that at-spi is ready after the dialogs have been loaded into memory, therefore the dialogs don't know about at-spi, so are not accessible. I have an idea as to how to address this issue, not properly and not how upstream would solve it, but enough to allow these dialogs to be accessible 100% of the time. I hope to have that fix uploaded in the next day or so. Luke From vilmar at informal.com.br Tue Mar 31 06:45:49 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:45:49 -0300 Subject: Inaccessible logout and reset dialogs In-Reply-To: <49D1A99F.5000208@thewordnerd.info> References: <49D1A99F.5000208@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <49D1BC1D.2030204@informal.com.br> I am not sure yet, but I suspect that it happens after restart orca. I'll try to confirm. On 31-03-2009 02:26, nolan wrote: > Do we know what causes these? > > It appears to me to be highly random, that or it depends on factors > which I'm tweaking without knowing it. It looks like /etc/sudoers as > shipped includes the necessary ATK variables in the environment, though > I don't know if that's relevant in this instance. I also tried with a > /root/.orbitrc present, as well as one in my home directory. > > At one point I got it working, thinking that the key was the lack of a > orbitrc in $HOME (yeah, I know, I'm reaching. :) It seems to work, or > not, then keep that working/non-working state throughout the session. I > tested both the shutdown and logout dialogs several times in the > previous working session and they worked like a charm. In this session, > though, both refuse to work repeatedly. Strange how this behavior is so > non-deterministic, seems like it should either just work or just not. :) > > Thoughts? > > -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza Informal Informatica msn: vilmar at informal.com.br aim: zevilmar gmail: jvilmar at gmail.com fone: +55 21-2555-2650 cel: +55 21-8868-0859 From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Mar 31 17:12:25 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:12:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: here are three things I found after installing ubuntu that need looking in to Message-ID: <0KHD0081CRSPY3XB@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I installed the latest live CD today and discovered three things. 1, The audio sounds like it is speeding up at times when the system logs in. This has been the case for a while, but Orca works fine. 2, The adman apps are still not accessible from the user account like they are on the live CD. If Luke's fix was suppose to fix this, it isn't working yet. 3, I enabled the root account so I could use some of those apps, and found when I ran Orca from that account it isn't usable. Apparently pulse audio is only disabled for the user account created when you install the system. I haven't tried this yet, but if pulse is also enabled for any account you create this is going to be a problem for those creating accounts for other people if they need access to those accounts. Other than that, 9.04 seems to be working fine. Mike. From softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 18:23:33 2009 From: softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com (Ian Pascoe) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:23:33 +0100 Subject: Server Installations In-Reply-To: <20090331054154.GA5155@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: Hi Luke I'm in the process of getting ready to set up my own hone file server. I know that the Live CD for the server does not come with any TTS packages, but once it's installed are there any packages in any of the Ubuntu repos that I can install to give me TTS on the Console? I have a vague recollection that this question was asked before, and it was suggested to do a desktop installation and then apt-get the rquired packages, my problem is that the server is an old machine with about 256 Mb of RAM which I don't think will easily support a Gnome Desktop. Any pointers / suggestions appreciated. Ian From nolan at thewordnerd.info Tue Mar 31 21:09:50 2009 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (nolan) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:09:50 -0000 Subject: here are three things I found after installing ubuntu that need looking in to References: <0KHD0081CRSPY3XB@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <49D2869E.30706@thewordnerd.info> On 03/31/2009 12:12 PM, mike wrote: > 1, The audio sounds like it is speeding up at times when the system logs in. This has been the case for a while, but Orca works fine. > I think this is an artifact of the switch back to ALSA. It goes away when I install a pulse/SD stack. Hopefully pulse will eventually be snappy and stable enough such that SD can use it as effectively as ALSA, but that's outside of any one group's control. > 2, The adman apps are still not accessible from the user account like they are on the live CD. If Luke's fix was suppose to fix this, it isn't working yet. > In my experience, they're inaccessible if prompted for a password, but seem to work if this step is skipped. I ran synaptic, was prompted for and entered a password, then lost access. When I logged back in, the authentication info must have been cached or something, because no password was requested and the app was accessible. If sudo shares the same caching mechanism, it may be possible to sudo something first to authenticate, then run the app. Hopefully this resolves point #3 below. This would also explain why theyy work from the CD; presumably you weren't prompted for a password there. Similarly, I found something else that was a bit bothersome. When accessing an admin app, I can't seem to switch away to anything else and have access. This is easy to duplicate in the installer. Often I'd start an install then realize that I'd forgotten to configure Orca to use the laptop layout, but I'd be unable to start the preferences UI and switch back to the installer. This made things especially difficult in the final step, because the progress display doesn't update when reviewed, and it'd be nice to switch away from and back to the dialog to read an update. I encountered this issue today when Orca crashed in a Synaptic session. I relaunched Orca using my hotkey, only I couldn't either access the current app or switch away.