From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Oct 1 06:51:44 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:51:44 +0200 Subject: SOUND SETTINGS in karmic In-Reply-To: <0KQG0077CAQKKX53@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KQG0077CAQKKX53@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4AC45180.9030904@pickup.hu> Hy, Jose, I confirm this problem. I open a bugreport with this problem, you feel free to add comments, or confirm this problem. The bug report link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/439815 I hope fixing dewelopers this problem. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Oct 1 11:23:02 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:23:02 +0200 Subject: Very interesting pulseaudio problems? Message-ID: <4AC49116.9040008@pickup.hu> Hy, Excuse me, I write very long letter. :-(:-( I see interesting problems with Ubuntu karmic, I think related with pulseaudio. In morning I open two bugreports, because impossible launch and use gnome-volume-control application my system, and impossible to use with fn function keys my Toshiba Satelite L300 notebook and my Asus Eeepc 701 netbook. The links is following: Gnome-volume-control bugreport link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/439815 Fn function key bugreport link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/439822 I test this problems my installed Karmic system and current daily live cd, the problem is present and reproduceable, see my last comment with any bugreport. When the deweloper ask me "You removed pulseaudio?" with first bugreport, I wrote following comment, because it is help me: "Yes, because pulseaudio full blocked with Orca Screen Reader. But if I remember correct, pulseaudio is default disabled since Jaunty when accessible profile is selected during installation. Now I installed again with pulseaudio. After logged out and login back again, pulseaudio full blocked with Orca screen reader. But gnome-volume-control application correct launched. After this, I remove again pulseaudio with following command: sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio When logout and login again, Orca works correct, and gnome-volume-control starts correct, I don't no why?" Interesting, but after I do this steps, hardware volume button working again my Toshiba Satelite L300 notebook. I don't understand why produce this problems with current daily live cd, pulseaudio is disabled, but not removed. Why block the sound system response? Another problem: When I try boot with current daily live cd, Orca does'nt talking, I need manual run orca command to speak. Anybody have an ydea why happen this situation? Pulseaudio is disabled. Attila -- Impossible to launch gnome-volume-control application in Ubuntu Karmic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/439815 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in “gnome-media” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: Binary package hint: gnome-volume-manager Dear Developers! If I try launch Applications/sound and video/volume control application, only an error message is displayed: Information Waiting sound system to respond. Cancel I sending a screenshot with error message. Thanks, Attila ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 Date: Thu Oct 1 07:54:35 2009 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10 Package: gnome-volume-manager (not installed) ProcEnviron: SHELL=/bin/bash LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-10.35-generic SourcePackage: gnome-volume-manager Uname: Linux 2.6.31-10-generic i686 From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Oct 1 12:15:28 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:15:28 +0200 Subject: Very interesting pulseaudio problems? In-Reply-To: <4AC49116.9040008@pickup.hu> References: <4AC49116.9040008@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4AC49D60.9050604@pickup.hu> Hy, I test my workaround with my netbook, I see following results: 1. If pulseaudio installed, and .pulse_a11y_nostart file is present my home directory, impossible use gnome-volume-control application and fn function keys with my netbook, and impossible use sound-related fn keys (volume up, volume down, etc). But Orca run and speech correct. 2. If pulseaudio removed, the simptomns is same. 3. If pulseaudio is installed, and I delete the .pulse_a11y_nostart file, all works fine, except Orca screen reader. Orca cuts all words (for example in settings button I hear "se" word, impossible to use the screen reader. I think this is Ubuntu specific problem, in Debian Sid, pulseaudio version is 0.9.18-1. If pulseaudio installed and running, not disturb Orca screen reader, except first starting (in first start Orca does'nt talking with Debian Sid). But I not see word cuts, not disturb gnome-volume-control application. If I remove pulseaudio with Debian Sid, not disturb for example gnome-volume-control application, Orca working perfect. Because I am interesting, I download pulseaudio dependent sources my Debian Sid system, and try install my Karmic system. If I see good result, I write my next letter. Attila From halim.sahin at freenet.de Fri Oct 2 09:41:44 2009 From: halim.sahin at freenet.de (Halim Sahin) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Very interesting pulseaudio problems? In-Reply-To: <4AC49116.9040008@pickup.hu> References: <4AC49116.9040008@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20091002094142.GA10454@halim> Hi, some days ago you wrote that you are using gnomespeech. This is the reason why pulseaudio blocks orca. Pulseaudio opens the hw0,0 alsa device so no other alsa application can work. This happens only to useless soundcards without hardwaremixing!!!!!!! You can try speechd and select it's pulse output driver. Remove ~/.pulse_a11y_nostart temporarely and test if this works. The acessible profile disables pulse completely and other stuff doesn't work reliable if no pulse is running. The best way is to buy a soundcard which supports hardwaremixing and use alsa/oss output of speech-dispatcher. Currently all other stuff don't work stable. Another interesting stuff which works better than current ubuntu setup is the ossproxy. This little proxy uses pulseaudio and creates /dev/dsp using the new cuse driver (available in kernel 2.6.31). Running ossproxy and speech-dispatcher with it's oss output module work really fast and it seems stable enough. Unfortunately the included oss-emulation support of the ubuntu kernel needs to be disabled for ossp to work. It seems that this can't be done using the kernel cmdline. Regards Halim From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Oct 2 10:16:31 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:16:31 +0200 Subject: Very interesting pulseaudio problems? In-Reply-To: <20091002094142.GA10454@halim> References: <4AC49116.9040008@pickup.hu> <20091002094142.GA10454@halim> Message-ID: <4AC5D2FF.6040405@pickup.hu> Thank you Halim! I do a clean installation and begin playing with possibilities. My notebook have following soundcard: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) In Jaunty, all works perfect with default setup. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Oct 2 11:57:34 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:57:34 +0200 Subject: Very interesting pulseaudio problems? In-Reply-To: <4AC5D2FF.6040405@pickup.hu> References: <4AC49116.9040008@pickup.hu> <20091002094142.GA10454@halim> <4AC5D2FF.6040405@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4AC5EAAE.20106@pickup.hu> Ok, I done the clean installation with the beta release of Karmic. If pulseaudio disabled, sound-volume setting up does'nt work (gnome-volume-control application does'nt launched). This is ok with Jaunty. But Orca very stable and fast, if I using speech-dispatcher default settings. If I enabled pulseaudio again and setted up speech-dispatcher with pulseaudio, I see very long latency with speech output parts (3 or 4 second latency). But gnome-volume-control works. :-):-) So, this method is not help me. Halim, you wroted: "Another interesting stuff which works better than current ubuntu setup is the ossproxy. This little proxy uses pulseaudio and creates /dev/dsp using the new cuse driver (available in kernel 2.6.31). Running ossproxy and speech-dispatcher with it's oss output module work really fast and it seems stable enough. Unfortunately the included oss-emulation support of the ubuntu kernel needs to be disabled for ossp to work. It seems that this can't be done using the kernel cmdline." Can you write a link how I download this ossproxy source? If I understand right, I need compile a custom kernel. Not problem if better work this solution. Attila From halim.sahin at freenet.de Fri Oct 2 17:19:16 2009 From: halim.sahin at freenet.de (Halim Sahin) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Very interesting pulseaudio problems? In-Reply-To: <4AC5EAAE.20106@pickup.hu> References: <4AC49116.9040008@pickup.hu> <20091002094142.GA10454@halim> <4AC5D2FF.6040405@pickup.hu> <4AC5EAAE.20106@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20091002171917.GA11611@halim> Hi, You need the ossproxy and a libfuse with cuse support. http://userweb.kernel.org/~tj/ossp/fuse-cuse.tar.gz http://userweb.kernel.org/~tj/ossp/ossp-1.3.tar.gz Your custom kernel should unset the flowing in it's config: # CONFIG_SOUND_OSS_CORE=y # CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL is not set # CONFIG_SND_MIXER_OSS is not set # CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS is not set # CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS_PLUGINS is not set # CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_OSS is not set -- Halim Sahin E-Mail: halim.sahin (at) t-online.de From saatyan.kfb at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 17:34:23 2009 From: saatyan.kfb at gmail.com (nalin linux) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:04:23 +0530 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hallo i am nalin4ubuntu (15) from kerala stadiyin +one class and i am new to orca mailing list. Now i am trying to use espeak with pulse audio and now the IBM viavoice is working perfectly on orca with pulseaudio .but when we change the voice to espeak that give incompleat output how can i solve this problem? any one can help me NALIN4LINUX From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Oct 6 13:58:39 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:58:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: login in karmic Message-ID: <0KR300DYYITQR3I6@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, how do you set up accessible login in karmic? Thanks MIKE. From j.nadeau at charter.net Wed Oct 7 01:15:18 2009 From: j.nadeau at charter.net (jonathan) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:15:18 -0400 Subject: orca response Message-ID: <1254878118.10064.8.camel@jonathan-desktop> Hello, I just installed the betta today and noticed that orca does not respond as fast as in 9.04 When I entered the orca setup there where a few new options like default or espeak or dummy. Which of these should I use to get the best performace? One last thing I tried to remove pulseaudio thinking that it would give me better performance and after I lost all of my sounds in ubuntu. conecting everything to pulse is an awful idea. any time orca runs through pulse it effects the speed and response of orca. Pulse audio is orcas worst enemy. I tried to get help from the pulse audio mailing list on how to optimize pulse for orca to work the best and no one even responded. I explained that I was blind and wanted help on how to configure pulse but still recived no help. Thank you for your time and help. From loren_schoof at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 20:24:37 2009 From: loren_schoof at yahoo.com (Loren Schoof) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ORCA, SSH and XWindows Message-ID: <3871.70600.qm@web54207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am hoping someone on this list will have had experience with the situation I will describe below and can share it with me. The group I'm in will be installing SAS software on a Linux server. SAS uses a windowed display that they have standardized across multiple platforms. Under Linux, the GUI is rendered through XWindows as I understand it. When SAS is installed on a windows PC, the GUI works well with my JAWS screen reader. When I connect to a Linux machine using PUTTY, JAWS does not handle the windowed environment from the Linux machine. So my question is: if I convert my PC to Linux with ORCA and connect to the SAS server via SSH or RLOGIN, will ORCA be able to work with the SAS windows? Loren Schoof loren_schoof at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Sun Oct 11 20:33:58 2009 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:33:58 +0200 Subject: ORCA, SSH and XWindows In-Reply-To: <3871.70600.qm@web54207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <3871.70600.qm@web54207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091011203358.GX6121@const.famille.thibault.fr> Loren Schoof, le Sun 11 Oct 2009 13:24:37 -0700, a écrit : > When I connect to a Linux machine using PUTTY, JAWS does not handle the windowed environment from the Linux machine. Mmm, are you using just an ssh connexion? In that case there is no windowed environment to be read. Are you using an X server on your windows box and using X forwarding? In that case it's just that JAWS isn't able to read Linux application, which is normal. > So my question is: if I convert my PC to Linux with ORCA and connect to the SAS server via SSH or RLOGIN, will ORCA be able to work with the SAS windows? I guess you here really mean X forwarding over ssh.j Orca will not be able to read it unless you run it directly on the server. However, I'm wondering: in the windows case, you install a SAS software in order to access the central server, right? Isn't there the same kind of similar software for Linux that you run on your own machine? In any case, to be accessible, the SAS windowed system needs to be implemented using gtk. Samuel From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Oct 12 15:54:45 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:54:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: no sound on the karmic live cd Message-ID: <0KRE004F3S78R3B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I tried the latest live cdd of karmic today, and found there is no sound. Has anyone else noticed this. Updating my system also not only broke sound, it won't boot. Mike. From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Oct 12 22:19:09 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:19:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: will accessible login work in karmic whin it comes out? Message-ID: <0KRF00G5R9ZTJE2C@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I have heard different things about accessible login. I know in the past distros, sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. Will accessible login work in Karmic when it is released? If so, will it be automatic, or will you have to enable it? If you will have to enable it, how will this be done since gdm is different now? Thanks Mike. From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Oct 14 15:41:58 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:41:58 +0200 Subject: Does'nt launch automaticaly with current Karmic daily live cd? Message-ID: <4AD5F146.8020206@pickup.hu> Dear List, I downloaded this morning the current daily Karmic live cd. When I booted the live cd (accessibility mode is selected correct), Orca is not launched automaticaly, need manual launch. Anybody confirm this before I opening a bugreport? Attila From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 14 22:48:57 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:48:57 +1100 Subject: Does'nt launch automaticaly with current Karmic daily live cd? In-Reply-To: <4AD5F146.8020206@pickup.hu> References: <4AD5F146.8020206@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20091014224857.GA3749@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 02:41:58AM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Dear List, > > I downloaded this morning the current daily Karmic live cd. When I > booted the live cd (accessibility mode is selected correct), Orca is not > launched automaticaly, need manual launch. > Anybody confirm this before I opening a bugreport? I am currently downloading the latest amd64 daily image, and will test with that, and report back. Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 14 23:21:22 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:21:22 +1100 Subject: Does'nt launch automaticaly with current Karmic daily live cd? In-Reply-To: <20091014224857.GA3749@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4AD5F146.8020206@pickup.hu> <20091014224857.GA3749@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <20091014232122.GB3749@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:48:57AM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote: > I am currently downloading the latest amd64 daily image, and will test with that, and report back. Ok, I can verify that the blindness profile at least is not working. Speech-dispatcher gets loaded, but orca crashes. RUnning orca from a terminal or the run dialog box works as expected however. Will dig further and work out a fix. Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Oct 15 01:26:20 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:26:20 +1100 Subject: Does'nt launch automaticaly with current Karmic daily live cd? In-Reply-To: <20091014232122.GB3749@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4AD5F146.8020206@pickup.hu> <20091014224857.GA3749@strigy.yelavich.home> <20091014232122.GB3749@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <20091015012620.GC3749@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:21:22AM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote: > Ok, I can verify that the blindness profile at least is not working. Speech-dispatcher gets loaded, but orca crashes. RUnning orca from a terminal or the run dialog box works as expected however. Ok, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I have booted the amd64 version on 2 machines already, and about to try a third. It worked once on both machines, and did not on one of the machines a second time. WIll also try i386, but think the same behavior will occur. So I suggest either trying again, or downloading the next daily image and trying that to see if there is any difference. Luke From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Thu Oct 15 06:40:31 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:10:31 +0530 (IST) Subject: Does'nt launch automaticaly with current Karmic daily live cd? In-Reply-To: <4AD5F146.8020206@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <125146.76676.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, Hammer, Its better to find out the cause of trouble. Is it Speech-dispatcher, sound problem or orca. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/speech-dispatcher/+bug/428293 (maybe its fixed now) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+bug/449303 (new one, couldn't find a fix) Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com --- On Wed, 14/10/09, Hammer Attila wrote: > From: Hammer Attila > Subject: Does'nt launch automaticaly with current Karmic daily live cd? > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 9:11 PM > Dear List, > > I downloaded this morning the current daily Karmic live cd. > When I > booted the live cd (accessibility mode is selected > correct), Orca is not > launched automaticaly, need manual launch. > Anybody confirm this before I opening a bugreport? > > Attila > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Oct 15 07:45:40 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:45:40 +0200 Subject: Does'nt launch automaticaly with current Karmic daily live cd? In-Reply-To: <125146.76676.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <125146.76676.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AD6D324.8090101@pickup.hu> Hy, Arki, I downloaded now the latest Karmic daily live cd (i386). When I booting usual way my notebook the cd, Orca does'nt start automaticaly, but the sound is work correct, and spd-say correct spokening any messages with gnome-terminal. So, I think this is not sound or Speech-dispatcher problem, but I am not full sure this. When I try this test with my desktop computer, Orca is launch automaticaly correct. Prewious Ubuntu versions works correct my both machines. Interesting, but pulseaudio is disabled again? In yesterday morning live cd is pulseaudio enabled, I am surprised yesterday because my sound volume change is works my notebook when I booting the yesterday live cd. Thank you your help. Attila From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Thu Oct 15 13:07:41 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:37:41 +0530 (IST) Subject: Does'nt launch automaticaly with current Karmic daily live cd? In-Reply-To: <4AD6D324.8090101@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <266077.46189.qm@web94916.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 15/10/09, Hammer Attila wrote: > Interesting, but pulseaudio is disabled again? In yesterday > morning live > cd is pulseaudio enabled, I am surprised yesterday because > my sound > volume change is works my notebook when I booting the > yesterday live cd. > Grabbing today's daily build (Oct 14) and investigate it the problem. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Oct 15 21:24:57 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:24:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: two questions about karmic Message-ID: <0KRK0028ORHK2JMO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, does anyone know if the new software center in karmic is going to be axcessable with orca? If it isn't, it there a way to install the old add remove programs center that does work well with orca? Second, is there going to be a volume control in karmic? I notice that when using the blind install, there is no volume control. I get around this with alsamixer. But new users won't know about alsamixer. Thanks Mike. From saatyan.kfb at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 03:03:51 2009 From: saatyan.kfb at gmail.com (nalin linux) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:03:51 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 47, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello friends, I am sathyaseelan. I am a chess player and blind person. I met witha an accessibility problem in gnuchess 5.7. if 2 rooks comes in the same file I am totally disabled and find no way to move the rooks. please help me. From david at rustytelephone.net Sat Oct 17 14:43:38 2009 From: david at rustytelephone.net (David Sexton) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:43:38 -1000 Subject: How to access administration apps Message-ID: <20091017144338.GA7483@Betsy> Just installed ubuntu 9.04 what is the way to access the administrative applications and other such things that run as root with orca? * nalin linux [091016 20:13]: > hello friends, > I am sathyaseelan. I am a chess player and blind person. I > met witha an accessibility problem in gnuchess 5.7. if 2 rooks comes > in the same file I am totally disabled and find no way to move the > rooks. please help me. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Oct 18 17:03:13 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:03:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: usb creator in karmic Message-ID: <0KRP00CN1ZDC0EXJ@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, anyone know what is going on with the usb creator in karmic. It still doesn't work, and we are getting pretty close to release. Mike. From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 06:46:04 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:16:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: usb creator in karmic In-Reply-To: <0KRP00CN1ZDC0EXJ@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <327517.40209.qm@web94911.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, Just tested usb-creator version 0.2.11, it creates startup disk without any problems. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com --- On Sun, 18/10/09, mike wrote: > From: mike > Subject: usb creator in karmic > To: "ubuntu" > Date: Sunday, 18 October, 2009, 10:33 PM > Hi, anyone know what is going on with > the usb creator in karmic. It still doesn't work, and we are > getting pretty close to release. >    Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the Yahoo! India Homepage! http://in.yahoo.com/trynew From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 08:34:38 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:04:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: two questions about karmic In-Reply-To: <0KRK0028ORHK2JMO@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <729751.59752.qm@web94908.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, Tested Karmic LiveCD (15 Oct ) , Orca startup fine with speech-dispatcher. AFAIK Ubuntu Software Center is fairly accessible with orca, it would sometime before its fully accessible. Please try it and report accessibility bugs. A lot of testing is need at this moment. The volume control applet is missing right I have no idea when it would be back. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com --- On Fri, 16/10/09, mike wrote: > From: mike > Subject: two questions about karmic > To: "ubuntu" > Date: Friday, 16 October, 2009, 2:54 AM > Hi, does anyone know if the new > software center in karmic is going to be axcessable with > orca? If it isn't, it there a way to install the old add > remove programs center that does work well with orca? >    Second, is there going to be a volume > control in karmic? I notice that when using the blind > install, there is no volume control. I get around this with > alsamixer. But new users won't know about alsamixer. >   Thanks Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore From aerospace1028 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 19 12:49:06 2009 From: aerospace1028 at hotmail.com (aerospace1028 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:49:06 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 47, Issue 12re: gnuchess In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: greetings, It's difficult for me to thell from your post exacctly what your problem is. (a) if it's dealing with the display: gnuchess by default has a textual display, and there are several graphical overlays that can be obtained. I can not comment on the graphical front-ends because I have never used them. The simple text display of the board uses capital letters for player 1 (the light colored pieces), so "R" for player 1's rook; and lower case letter for player 2 (the dark colored pieces), so "r" for player 2's rook. It might be difficult to notice these differences with orca/speakup/etc, many vissually impared users of gnuchess typically use a braille display to review the board. (b) if you are having a problem entering in your moves: Again, I can not comment of the various graphical over-lays. Running gnuchess from the commandline in text mode, standard algebraic notation works. I.E. RA1-a5 would move a rook from square a1 to a5 (assuming this is a legal move). If you are trying to caputre a rook with a rook, Ra1xRa8 (or whaterver the case may be). As long as you include the starting and ending square, there should never be any confusion. If you still have trouble with this, e-mail me off-list and i'll try and help you as best I can:-) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Oct 19 16:53:28 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:53:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: I need the name of two apps Message-ID: <0KRR007SZTL4Y9Y1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I need the name of two programs so I can put them back in karmic. 1, Does anyone know the name of the original gnome volume control app? Gnome-volumecontrol isn't the name. 2, Does anyone know the correct name for the old add remove programs app that was recently removed from karmic? I think both programs should still work if reinstalled. Thanks Mike. From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 17:54:35 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:24:35 +0530 (IST) Subject: I need the name of two apps In-Reply-To: <0KRR007SZTL4Y9Y1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <413856.61487.qm@web94910.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, AFAIK its gnome-alsamixer and gnome-app-install packages. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com --- On Mon, 19/10/09, mike wrote: > From: mike > Subject: I need the name of two apps > To: "ubuntu" > Date: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 10:23 PM > Hi, I need the name of two programs > so I can put them back in karmic. >    1, Does anyone know the name of the > original gnome volume control app? Gnome-volumecontrol isn't > the name. >    2, Does anyone know the correct name for > the old add remove programs app that was recently removed > from karmic? I think both programs should still work if > reinstalled. >    Thanks Mike. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Oct 20 04:22:29 2009 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:22:29 +0200 Subject: I need the name of two apps In-Reply-To: <0KRR007SZTL4Y9Y1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KRR007SZTL4Y9Y1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4ADD3B05.1050207@pickup.hu> Hy Mike, You wroted: " 1, Does anyone know the name of the original gnome volume control app? Gnome-volumecontrol isn't the name." The right command is gnome-volume-control. " 2, Does anyone know the correct name for the old add remove programs app that was recently removed from karmic? I think both programs should still work if reinstalled." I think the right command is gnome-app-install, my Jaunty system this command is work, I hope this help you with Karmic. Attila From nolan at thewordnerd.info Tue Oct 20 20:51:26 2009 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:51:26 -0000 Subject: How's Karmic these days? Message-ID: <4ADE22CE.60700@thewordnerd.info> Anyone using it regularly? Lots of folks not using accessibility seem to be having good luck with it, so I'm thinking of making the upgrade. How is it from an accessibility perspective? And are there any more potential audio breaking changes planned? Thanks. From j.orcauser at googlemail.com Wed Oct 21 15:02:02 2009 From: j.orcauser at googlemail.com (Jon) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:02:02 +0100 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <4ADE22CE.60700@thewordnerd.info> References: <4ADE22CE.60700@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> Hi Nolan, Karmic accessibility seems to be working ok, with some other hickups. WARNING, if you dont have volume buttons on your keyboard/laptop then its probably not worth your time. The issue seems to be that pulse audio volume is set to 0 when it starts, and if you dont have keys for changing the volume, or a sighted person to change it for you then you wont be able to hear orca. The very annoying problem of speech-dispatcher crashing out every few minutes has not gone, and it gets very irritating after a short while to switch to a terminal and have to kill speech-dispatcher. One good thing is that if you have a braille display this will still continue to work while speech-dispatcher is crashed. i.e. orca didnt crash, speech-dispatcher did. Sometimes its the espeak crashing because speech-dispatcher switches to dummy output, but most frequently the speech simply stops. Another strange thing is that key echo is delayed (just by a a fraction of a second), but that also becomes annoying because one finishes typing out the whole word before the speech catches up. Having word echo on and key echo off removes this annoyance. Changing orca punctuation level to none, and making sure that the "break speech into chunks between pauses" checkbox is unchecked, gives better speech. Personal recommendation is to try karmic on a machine that you dont do much work on, for work you probably want something more stable. This refers to karmic kola 64 bit, as downloaded yesterday (same results about a week back) Best -Jon On Tue 20/10/2009 at 20:51:26, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Anyone using it regularly? Lots of folks not using accessibility seem to > be having good luck with it, so I'm thinking of making the upgrade. How > is it from an accessibility perspective? And are there any more > potential audio breaking changes planned? > > Thanks. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From aerospace1028 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 21 15:49:26 2009 From: aerospace1028 at hotmail.com (aerospace1028 at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:49:26 -0400 Subject: intltool Message-ID: Greetings, I recently ran into an insident, whereby I BROKE DOWN AND RE-INSTALLED MY UBUNTU SYSTEM. I am in the process of reconfiguring my system but I have run into a problem compiling at-spi for orca. I am using the LTS release of ubuntu (8.04 hardy harron). The default orca that comes with this release is 2.22. I successfully built atk from git using the origin/gnome-2-22 branch. However now when I run ./autogen.sh (with the appropriate prefix and libexecdir flags) to compile the origin/2-22 branch of at-spi, I get an error message that my intltool is obsolete. I tried installing intltool through apt-get, but it tells me that the version installed is up-to-date. Is there any way of upgrading intltool on ubuntu.04 so i can finish upgrading at-spi and orca? Post script: yes I know i *COULD* download and install ubuntu9.10. I'm holding out for the next LTS release. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Wed Oct 21 15:54:56 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:24:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> Message-ID: <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 21/10/09, Jon wrote: > WARNING, if you dont have volume buttons on your > keyboard/laptop > then its probably not worth your time. > The issue seems to be that pulse audio volume is set to 0 > when it starts, and if you dont have keys for changing the > volume, > or a sighted person to change it for you then you wont be > able to hear orca. Hi, Perhaps you should not fear this so much. You can use gnome-keybinding-properties and set Volume down / up to key binding for example Alt+F11 and Alt+F12 and you would find its possible to increase and decrease the volume. I have just tried this on a Karmic machine and assure it works. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From kenny at hittsjunk.net Wed Oct 21 16:30:18 2009 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:30:18 -0500 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091021163017.GA6717@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Hi. This is fine if you already have speech, but how would you do this with no speech due to no volume? Kenny On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 09:24:56PM +0530, Arky wrote: > > --- On Wed, 21/10/09, Jon wrote: > > > WARNING, if you dont have volume buttons on your > > keyboard/laptop > > then its probably not worth your time. > > The issue seems to be that pulse audio volume is set to 0 > > when it starts, and if you dont have keys for changing the > > volume, > > or a sighted person to change it for you then you wont be > > able to hear orca. > > > Hi, > > Perhaps you should not fear this so much. You can use gnome-keybinding-properties and set Volume down / up to key binding for example Alt+F11 and Alt+F12 and you would find its possible to increase and decrease the volume. > > I have just tried this on a Karmic machine and assure it works. > > Cheers > > --arky > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From waywardgeek at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 21:46:26 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:46:26 -0400 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> Well, yes, there are work-arounds for the volume. However, though I realise it's not Ubuntu's fault, having to restart speech dispatcher every few minutes makes the whole release a PITA for Orca users. Let's face it... Ubuntu kind of fell off the wagon for accessibility. Blind users are currently forced to use older Debian based releases, even though there is a strong desire to use Ubuntu. Vinux is the current best option, which is no longer based on Ubuntu. Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly hope Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. Bill On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Arky wrote: > > --- On Wed, 21/10/09, Jon wrote: > >> WARNING, if you dont have volume buttons on your >> keyboard/laptop >> then its probably not worth your time. >> The issue seems to be that pulse audio volume is set to 0 >> when it starts, and if you dont have keys for changing the >> volume, >> or a sighted person to change it for you then you wont be >> able to hear orca. > > > Hi, > > Perhaps you should not fear this so much. You can use gnome-keybinding-properties and set Volume down / up to key binding for example Alt+F11 and Alt+F12 and you would find its possible to increase and decrease the volume. > > I have just tried this on a Karmic machine and assure it works. > > Cheers > > --arky > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > > >      Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 21 21:59:12 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:59:12 +1100 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: > Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on > Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly hope > Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more bugs I can attempt to fix. I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. Regards Luke From waywardgeek at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 22:25:06 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:25:06 -0400 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Luke. Thanks for working on accessibility. I feel really rotten about complaining about the bugs without putting in effort into debugging. However, my boss is all over me at the moment to get another project back on schedule. I'm sure you know what that's like. However, over the next year, I promise to find some time to nail a bug or two, like the crash in speech dispatcher. In the meantime, we should probably set expectations for users, and let them know it will be a while before Orca is working in a stable manner in the latest Ubuntu. It's an unfortunate situation, but blind users are simply not able to chip in and fix things when accessibility is broken, so it will be up to the very few of us interested in accessibility who still have decent vision to pull it off. Best regards, Bill On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: >> Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on >> Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks.  I certainly hope >> Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. > > I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. > > Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. > > So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more bugs I can attempt to fix. > > I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. > > Regards > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From nolan at thewordnerd.info Wed Oct 21 23:20:32 2009 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:20:32 -0000 Subject: How's Karmic these days? References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4ADF9740.3080703@thewordnerd.info> Hi Luke and all. Thanks for the work on Ubuntu accessibility. I know that it isn't easy, and it's something I'd like to chip in and help with. I'm a bit short on computing resources at the moment (using a netbook full time since February, and apparently the desktop I got just a week ago has hardware issues so it's retired for now) but I do hope to get involved when I can. Two points. First, if you're the only Canonical employee doing accessibility work, I think that should be fixed. I know that they're not a profitable company at the moment (do correct me if I'm wrong) but this is important, and you shouldn't be alone. If funds can be spared for Iatana(SP?) then it seems like accessibility should be a bit more prioritized. Is there any way we as a community can make that happen? I can't necessarily fix bugs, but if it's just a matter of voicing these concerns to the right person, I'm happy to help with that. If Ubuntu aims to ship a UI experience on par with that of OS X, as I think I've read before, then solid accessibility needs to be a part of that, and that's a lot for one pair of shoulders. Second, I've been using Orca/SD for the past year or so, and must admit to being a bit disappointed by the idea that it's shipping as the default setup in Ubuntu, particularly as it sounds like the crashing issue isn't going to be fixed. It seems a bit hasty to make such grand experiments if there's not some degree of certainty that a shipping default will be stable. And yes, I know that there are things that can make the situation less painful. I'm running xbindkeys and have restarted SD at least a dozen times during the course of typing this, using the hotkey I've set up for that purpose. Mind you, I've chosen this setup because ALSA alone has issues on this netbook, but will any new user know that xbindkeys is available? And will Karmic ship with a major subsystem crrasher which we'll have to wait for Lucid, or Lucid+X, to see fixed? Hopefully my view on the state of things is overly negative, but the "userbase as experimental subjects" model of Ubuntu (first with PA and now with SD) worries me. Thanks again for the hard work, even if I worry about its direction at times. On 10/21/2009 04:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: > >> Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on >> Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly hope >> Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. >> > I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. > > Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. > > So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more bugs I can attempt to fix. > > I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. > > Regards > Luke > > -- Nolan Darilek http://thewordnerd.info From aruni100 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 01:19:52 2009 From: aruni100 at gmail.com (Aruni Sharma) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:49:52 +0530 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADFB338.50401@gmail.com> Hi, do we no longer have the option of using gnome-speech? although speech-dispatcher has been made the default, it would have been better if gnome-speech was also available, at least till the time speech-dispatcher is stable enough. Thanks, Aruni. On 10/22/2009 3:55 AM, Bill Cox wrote: > Hi, Luke. > > Thanks for working on accessibility. I feel really rotten about > complaining about the bugs without putting in effort into debugging. > However, my boss is all over me at the moment to get another project > back on schedule. I'm sure you know what that's like. > > However, over the next year, I promise to find some time to nail a bug > or two, like the crash in speech dispatcher. In the meantime, we > should probably set expectations for users, and let them know it will > be a while before Orca is working in a stable manner in the latest > Ubuntu. It's an unfortunate situation, but blind users are simply not > able to chip in and fix things when accessibility is broken, so it > will be up to the very few of us interested in accessibility who still > have decent vision to pull it off. > > Best regards, > Bill > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: >> >>> Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on >>> Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly hope >>> Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. >>> >> I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. >> >> Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. >> >> So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more bugs I can attempt to fix. >> >> I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. >> >> Regards >> Luke >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> >> > From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Oct 22 01:29:59 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:29:59 +1100 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <4ADFB338.50401@gmail.com> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com> <4ADFB338.50401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091022012959.GC3303@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:19:52PM EST, Aruni Sharma wrote: > Hi, do we no longer have the option of using gnome-speech? although > speech-dispatcher has been made the default, it would have been > better if gnome-speech was also available, at least till the time > speech-dispatcher is stable enough. GNome-speech is still in universe for anyone who prefers to use it. Luke From david at rustytelephone.net Thu Oct 22 03:36:52 2009 From: david at rustytelephone.net (David Sexton) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:36:52 -1000 Subject: Installing latest orca on 9.04 Message-ID: <20091022033652.GA5069@Betsy> Is it possible? If so, what are the steps to get the latest and greatest orca running on Ubuntu 9.04 David * Luke Yelavich [091021 12:15]: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: > > Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on > > Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly hope > > Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. > > I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. > > Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. > > So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more bugs I can attempt to fix. > > I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. > > Regards > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From dave.hunt2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 22 04:00:32 2009 From: dave.hunt2 at verizon.net (Dave Hunt) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:00:32 -0400 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <4ADFB338.50401@gmail.com> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com> <4ADFB338.50401@gmail.com> Message-ID: Does Speech Dispatcher crash in Karmic when a synthesizer other than Espeak is used? I run Jaunty and find that Espeak will often stop talking when I use Speech Dispatcher. With Flite, these crashes are rare. If I use Gnome-speech with Espeak, Espeak will often interrupt itself but not crash, per-se. May I suggest that either Gnome-speech be included or that Flite be the default voice until the troubles with Espeak and Karmic are addressed? Best, Dave On Oct 21, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Aruni Sharma wrote: > Hi, do we no longer have the option of using gnome-speech? although > speech-dispatcher has been made the default, it would have been better > if gnome-speech was also available, at least till the time > speech-dispatcher is stable enough. > Thanks, > Aruni. > > On 10/22/2009 3:55 AM, Bill Cox wrote: >> Hi, Luke. >> >> Thanks for working on accessibility. I feel really rotten about >> complaining about the bugs without putting in effort into debugging. >> However, my boss is all over me at the moment to get another project >> back on schedule. I'm sure you know what that's like. >> >> However, over the next year, I promise to find some time to nail a >> bug >> or two, like the crash in speech dispatcher. In the meantime, we >> should probably set expectations for users, and let them know it will >> be a while before Orca is working in a stable manner in the latest >> Ubuntu. It's an unfortunate situation, but blind users are simply >> not >> able to chip in and fix things when accessibility is broken, so it >> will be up to the very few of us interested in accessibility who >> still >> have decent vision to pull it off. >> >> Best regards, >> Bill >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Luke Yelavich >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually >>>> work on >>>> Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly >>>> hope >>>> Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. >>>> >>> I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately >>> I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on >>> improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can >>> to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that >>> I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being >>> responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only >>> do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. >>> >>> Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, >>> somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning >>> valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and >>> hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. >>> >>> So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge >>> you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its >>> only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that >>> are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more >>> bugs I can attempt to fix. >>> >>> I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. >>> >>> Regards >>> Luke >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>> >>> >> > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From William.Walker at Sun.COM Thu Oct 22 18:26:15 2009 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:26:15 -0400 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE0A3C7.4070200@sun.com> Hi All: From a stability standpoint, I can share what I'm planning for GNOME 2.30, which I suspect is likely to be what Lucid Lynx will be based upon. The main goal for GNOME 2.30 (which you'll see developed via the GNOME 2.29.x development releases) is that we're retooling the entire accessibility infrastructure to shed the Bonobo/CORBA dependency. This includes the AT-SPI infrastructure, speech, and magnification: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/BonoboDeprecation At the same time, we have some big technologies coming down the pipe that will need accessibility support: WebKit and GNOME Shell. GDM 2.28 also has some accessibility issues that need addressing. It's a lot of work and we're going to do our best to make sure the changes are positive changes for GNOME 2.30. But, there will be instability for a period of time during the GNOME 2.29 development cycle. So...what this means is that I am going to keep Orca development down to a minimum during the 2.29.x/2.30 cycle. I plan only to fix high priority bugs in Orca and will work to make sure these bug fixes are backported to GNOME 2.28. For the near future, people needing stability should stick with GNOME 2.28 and Karmic. While Karmic may have some issues now, I think the users on this list need to get behind it, test it, and get constructive feedback and patches back to the Ubuntu team. BTW, I fully sympathize with Luke -- I've been doing a11y work for nearly 20 years and you are constantly between a rock and a hard place. Some of the users constantly spit and yell at you and your bosses keep stripping you down to barely enough to survive. The one thing that keeps you going are the successes of users where the difference between having the solution and not having the solution can mean having a job or not having a job, being able to communicate with others or not being able to communicate with others, etc. Will (GNOME Accessibility Lead) Bill Cox wrote: > Hi, Luke. > > Thanks for working on accessibility. I feel really rotten about > complaining about the bugs without putting in effort into debugging. > However, my boss is all over me at the moment to get another project > back on schedule. I'm sure you know what that's like. > > However, over the next year, I promise to find some time to nail a bug > or two, like the crash in speech dispatcher. In the meantime, we > should probably set expectations for users, and let them know it will > be a while before Orca is working in a stable manner in the latest > Ubuntu. It's an unfortunate situation, but blind users are simply not > able to chip in and fix things when accessibility is broken, so it > will be up to the very few of us interested in accessibility who still > have decent vision to pull it off. > > Best regards, > Bill > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: >>> Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on >>> Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly hope >>> Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. >> I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. >> >> Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. >> >> So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more bugs I can attempt to fix. >> >> I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. >> >> Regards >> Luke >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > From tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 19:12:41 2009 From: tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk (Anthony Sales) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:12:41 +0100 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <4AE0A3C7.4070200@sun.com> References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com>, <4AE0A3C7.4070200@sun.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I think everyone appreciates what Willie and Luke are doing, without them LInux would be a whole lot less accessible and they are doing a great job in the circumstances. However they are up against the same problem as every other VI user, in that although companies acknowledge the need for accessibility it isn't very high on their priorities list and this is reflected on the fact that Luke and Willie seem to be the only people who are allowed to work on these projects by their employers. If they were serious their would be a team of people working on accessibility, and it wouldn't be an afterthought but a fundamental element of all applications. The reality is that the VI are but one minority group amongst many, they aren't a big enough user group to generate billions of dollars, and thus they are catered for by smaller companies who can charge an arm and a leg for software many people can't survive without. I think mainstream Linux accessibility will gradually get better, but just like with Windows, it will always be an afterthought or add on, it is unlikely that any major distributer will produce a fully accessible OS optimised for the VI. This is why I started making Vinux, and I don't want to start any new arguments about mainstream v specialist accesibility software, but just imagine if Willie and Luke where actually working on an Orca distro rather than on the software itself, instead of trying to get it to work with Ubuntu's latest cutting edge technology. Then they would be able to make whatever changes were necessary to get the system fully accessible and include all the best accessible software. That is what I am trying to do with Vinux, but I simply don't have the technical skills and knowledge that Luke and Willie have, and like me they have to earn a living and it isn't likely to come from producing open-source accessibility software unless a government or large charity get involved. I still think it would be great if all of the developers interested in VI issues could pool their resources into one distro to rule them all, and this is not an attempt to devalue their work, what they are doing is great, but I sometimes feel that we are all swimming against the tide of the needs of the sighted majority and we are always going to be little fish. Keep up the good work, I am following in your wake, and without the work you do the Vinux project would not have been possible at all! drbongo ___________________________________ From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Willie Walker [William.Walker at Sun.COM] Sent: 22 October 2009 19:26 To: Bill Cox Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: How's Karmic these days? Hi All: From a stability standpoint, I can share what I'm planning for GNOME 2.30, which I suspect is likely to be what Lucid Lynx will be based upon. The main goal for GNOME 2.30 (which you'll see developed via the GNOME 2.29.x development releases) is that we're retooling the entire accessibility infrastructure to shed the Bonobo/CORBA dependency. This includes the AT-SPI infrastructure, speech, and magnification: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/BonoboDeprecation At the same time, we have some big technologies coming down the pipe that will need accessibility support: WebKit and GNOME Shell. GDM 2.28 also has some accessibility issues that need addressing. It's a lot of work and we're going to do our best to make sure the changes are positive changes for GNOME 2.30. But, there will be instability for a period of time during the GNOME 2.29 development cycle. So...what this means is that I am going to keep Orca development down to a minimum during the 2.29.x/2.30 cycle. I plan only to fix high priority bugs in Orca and will work to make sure these bug fixes are backported to GNOME 2.28. For the near future, people needing stability should stick with GNOME 2.28 and Karmic. While Karmic may have some issues now, I think the users on this list need to get behind it, test it, and get constructive feedback and patches back to the Ubuntu team. BTW, I fully sympathize with Luke -- I've been doing a11y work for nearly 20 years and you are constantly between a rock and a hard place. Some of the users constantly spit and yell at you and your bosses keep stripping you down to barely enough to survive. The one thing that keeps you going are the successes of users where the difference between having the solution and not having the solution can mean having a job or not having a job, being able to communicate with others or not being able to communicate with others, etc. Will (GNOME Accessibility Lead) Bill Cox wrote: > Hi, Luke. > > Thanks for working on accessibility. I feel really rotten about > complaining about the bugs without putting in effort into debugging. > However, my boss is all over me at the moment to get another project > back on schedule. I'm sure you know what that's like. > > However, over the next year, I promise to find some time to nail a bug > or two, like the crash in speech dispatcher. In the meantime, we > should probably set expectations for users, and let them know it will > be a while before Orca is working in a stable manner in the latest > Ubuntu. It's an unfortunate situation, but blind users are simply not > able to chip in and fix things when accessibility is broken, so it > will be up to the very few of us interested in accessibility who still > have decent vision to pull it off. > > Best regards, > Bill > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: >>> Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work on >>> Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly hope >>> Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. >> I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. >> >> Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. >> >> So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more bugs I can attempt to fix. >> >> I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. >> >> Regards >> Luke >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From waywardgeek at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 19:41:03 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:41:03 -0400 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7> <896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com> <20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home> <499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com> <4AE0A3C7.4070200@sun.com> Message-ID: <499d69a00910221241h6bfd362cye99f006f0b8d1643@mail.gmail.com> I did a raw install of Ubuntu Karmic x64 Beta in VirutualBox, and here's the current status for such an installation. Note that I did a visual install, not an accessible install: The install has a nice slide show. One of the slides claimed Ubuntu was "one of the most accessible operating systems." I thought that was interesting. There were some goobers, but overall, the OS rocks for sighted users, even in Beta. It is easy to see why Ubuntu remains the popular Linux OS. Karmic is going to be a well received release. Orca ran out-of-the-box. However, speech got queued in Speech Dispatcher, and hitting escape or any other key did nothing to stop it. Even killing Orca did not stop it. You have to listen to every word Orca thinks is available to be read. This makes Orca completely unusable. I installed Gnome Speech Services, and switched to that, but it crashes the virtual machine. So basically, Karmic Beta is awesome for sighted users, but does not work out-of-the-box for blind/VI users. I'm going to try removing Pulse Audio. I'll let you know if I find any combo that works well with Orca. Bill From francesco.fumanti at gmx.net Thu Oct 22 20:16:34 2009 From: francesco.fumanti at gmx.net (Francesco Fumanti) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:16:34 +0200 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: <4ADE22CE.60700@thewordnerd.info> References: <4ADE22CE.60700@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <4AE0BDA2.50407@gmx.net> Hi, Maybe that I should add a few words for the pointer only users. (In the following, "pointer users" means users that are able to move the pointer in any direction, but that are not able to perform any input with a hardware keyboard.) a) For pointer users able to click, karmic provides a system that they can use out of the box. - GDM has been patched so that it starts onboard as the onscreen keyboard. (onboard is the onscreen keyboard shipping with ubuntu already for several releases) - Onboard is also available in the GNOME session and its desktop icons are in the Universal Access menu. However, this menu and the desktop icons are hidden on a default Ubuntu a installation; but it is possible to use the Main Menu control panel to make them appear. So, a default Ubuntu Karmic installation can be used by these users without help from anybody. b) For pointer users not able to click, karmic is also usable, but only after a person able to click has performed a few configurations needed by these users. Fortunately, Ubuntu (to be more precise, it is already shipped in GNOME) ships by default an accessibility tool called mousetweaks that allows these users to perform pointer clicks by software. - GDM is not accessible for pointer users that cannot click. A person with administrative privileges can set up GDM to launch mousetweaks in conjunction with onboard. Instructions about how to do it can be found in the Help of GDM. Remarks: -- I don't know whether Assistive Technology is running in GDM on a system out of the box. As mousetweaks requires Assistive Technology, GDM has to be configuration configuration configured to run it if it is not already the case. Instructions about how to do it can be found in the Help of GDM. -- These users must never deactivate the onscreen keyboard in GDM, because it will also deactivate dwelling and they will not be able to reactivate it without the help of another person. - The GNOME session is also not accessible for these people out of the box, but the solution is simple: Assistive Technology has to be activated for the GNOME session and the dwell click applet has to be installed on the GNOME panel. Once this has been done, the GNOME session becomes accessible also for pointer users that are not able to click. There is however a bug that has to be mentioned: In fact, there is an incompatibility between gksu and Assistive Technology. For example, if you open the Synaptic Package Manager, the gksu dialog for authentication appears. After entering the password, the desktop begins to become a bit irresponsive. To make the desktop fully responsive again, the user has to kill the gksu process in the dialog. To not get into this situation, a work around is to call the applications that use gksu directly from the terminal with sudo. (The authentication dialog of policykit does not have this problem.) Cheers Francesco Nolan Darilek wrote: > Anyone using it regularly? Lots of folks not using accessibility seem to > be having good luck with it, so I'm thinking of making the upgrade. How > is it from an accessibility perspective? And are there any more > potential audio breaking changes planned? > > Thanks. > From waywardgeek at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 22:10:51 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:10:51 -0400 Subject: karmic and voxin In-Reply-To: <4ABFF68D.4090806@informal.com.br> References: <4ABF8A7C.2080506@informal.com.br> <20090927232239.GA11240@strigy.yelavich.home> <4ABFF68D.4090806@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <499d69a00910221510g70bbb611v13357ae93401b130@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to get voxin working in karmic beta x64 under VirtualBox. I can get the 'say' program working without error. However, I've failed so far to get it working with either speech-dispatcher or Gnome Speech services. To install, I used the voxin-update-0.24 program. I had to modify voxin-installer.sh to include 9.10 in a case statement, but then the install runs. However, Orca does not show ibmtts as an option when using SD, and it doesn't show IBM ViaVoice when using Gnome Speech Services. What steps did you use to install Voxin? Also, I didn't have any luck removing pulseaudio. All it did was fry my sound. Thanks, Bill On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:34 PM, jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote: > I tried to run on my 64 bits installation without success. > My machine froze completely. > > On 09/27/2009 08:22 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 01:53:32AM EST, jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote: >> >>> Anyone running voxin in karmic? >>> >> I tried running it last week for some testing, and it worked without issue on i386. >> >> Luke >> >> > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From gcasse at oralux.org Thu Oct 22 22:28:31 2009 From: gcasse at oralux.org (Gilles Casse) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:28:31 +0200 Subject: karmic and voxin In-Reply-To: <499d69a00910221510g70bbb611v13357ae93401b130@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ABF8A7C.2080506@informal.com.br> <20090927232239.GA11240@strigy.yelavich.home> <4ABFF68D.4090806@informal.com.br> <499d69a00910221510g70bbb611v13357ae93401b130@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE0DC8F.8090409@oralux.org> Hello, Just to let you know that work will start on Voxin + karmic (32 / 64bits) this week end. Hopefully, the new release (0.25) will come before the end of October. Best regards, Gilles Bill Cox a écrit : > I'm trying to get voxin working in karmic beta x64 under VirtualBox. > I can get the 'say' program working without error. However, I've > failed so far to get it working with either speech-dispatcher or Gnome > Speech services. To install, I used the voxin-update-0.24 program. I > had to modify voxin-installer.sh to include 9.10 in a case statement, > but then the install runs. However, Orca does not show ibmtts as an > option when using SD, and it doesn't show IBM ViaVoice when using > Gnome Speech Services. What steps did you use to install Voxin? > > Also, I didn't have any luck removing pulseaudio. All it did was fry my sound. > > Thanks, > Bill > > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:34 PM, jose vilmar estacio de souza > wrote: >> I tried to run on my 64 bits installation without success. >> My machine froze completely. >> >> On 09/27/2009 08:22 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 01:53:32AM EST, jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone running voxin in karmic? >>>> >>> I tried running it last week for some testing, and it worked without issue on i386. >>> >>> Luke >>> >>> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > From rene.linke at blindzeln.de Thu Oct 22 23:02:20 2009 From: rene.linke at blindzeln.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Ren=E9_Linke?=) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:02:20 +0200 Subject: Start Orca automatically question Message-ID: <4AE0E47C.8020903@blindzeln.de> Hi, I am a new member here and I have a first question: I downloaded the latest Ubuntu for Netbooks Remix and extracted the image on a USB memory stick. What files I need to edit to do start Orca and change the user interface language to German automatically? TIA -- Best regards, René From vilmar at informal.com.br Thu Oct 22 23:07:02 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (jose vilmar estacio de souza) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:07:02 -0200 Subject: karmic and voxin In-Reply-To: <499d69a00910221510g70bbb611v13357ae93401b130@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ABF8A7C.2080506@informal.com.br> <20090927232239.GA11240@strigy.yelavich.home> <4ABFF68D.4090806@informal.com.br> <499d69a00910221510g70bbb611v13357ae93401b130@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE0E596.5020304@informal.com.br> Hi, my installation was done in the same way you did. However you need to edit the speech-dispatcher config file and remove the comment marker present in the line that load ibmtts module. As posted in my previous message, I had no luck with voxin and karmic. []S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza http://www.informal.com.br Msn:vilmar at informal.com.br Skype:jvilmar Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jvesouza Phone: +55 21-2555-2650 Cel: +55 21-8868-0859 On 10/22/2009 08:10 PM, Bill Cox wrote: > I'm trying to get voxin working in karmic beta x64 under VirtualBox. > I can get the 'say' program working without error. However, I've > failed so far to get it working with either speech-dispatcher or Gnome > Speech services. To install, I used the voxin-update-0.24 program. I > had to modify voxin-installer.sh to include 9.10 in a case statement, > but then the install runs. However, Orca does not show ibmtts as an > option when using SD, and it doesn't show IBM ViaVoice when using > Gnome Speech Services. What steps did you use to install Voxin? > > Also, I didn't have any luck removing pulseaudio. All it did was fry my sound. > > Thanks, > Bill > > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:34 PM, jose vilmar estacio de souza > wrote: > >> I tried to run on my 64 bits installation without success. >> My machine froze completely. >> >> On 09/27/2009 08:22 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 01:53:32AM EST, jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Anyone running voxin in karmic? >>>> >>>> >>> I tried running it last week for some testing, and it worked without issue on i386. >>> >>> Luke >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> >> From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Fri Oct 23 06:11:20 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:41:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: Start Orca automatically question In-Reply-To: <4AE0E47C.8020903@blindzeln.de> Message-ID: <167760.79384.qm@web94901.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, You can enabled orca by using assistive technologies preferences tool. From system menu select System > Perference > Assistive technologies. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com --- On Fri, 23/10/09, René Linke wrote: > From: René Linke > Subject: Start Orca automatically question > To: "Mailing list of the Ubuntu Accessibility Team , , " > Date: Friday, 23 October, 2009, 4:32 AM > Hi, > > I am a new member here and I have a first question: > I downloaded the latest Ubuntu for Netbooks Remix and > extracted the > image on a USB memory stick. What files I need to edit to > do start Orca > and change the user interface language to German > automatically? > > TIA > > -- > Best regards, > René > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore From isaac at porat.me.uk Fri Oct 23 06:43:46 2009 From: isaac at porat.me.uk (Isaac Porat) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:43:46 +0100 Subject: How's Karmic these days? In-Reply-To: References: <20091021150202.GA9992@i7><896038.25152.qm@web94902.mail.in2.yahoo.com><499d69a00910211446g12372d4h59453fdcf8bb6aa2@mail.gmail.com><20091021215912.GA3303@strigy.yelavich.home><499d69a00910211525i59d76ff8q92cca93268937331@mail.gmail.com>, <4AE0A3C7.4070200@sun.com> Message-ID: <6A16DF18B3B042BC8B7F0CEEB26EC805@temporary> Hello I know that this is already old news but perhaps to keep it all in perspective, I have started to use 9.04 recently and impressed by the progress since 8.10 which I used before. OK it did not work for me out of the box (using wubi) but with a number of simple configurations everything is well and speech is responsive and reasonably reliable. The reality is that accessibility in the big world is not a priority if we like it or not; I am personally happy to wait for the new version of the distro to settle down - 9.04 is probably the first distro where I feel that I can do some real work with (not using the command line which I used in the good old days and do not wish to use but for backup and some admin tasks again). On a related point in reply to the previous message, Vinux has its place especially for new users where everything is pre configured and in my small way I fully support what Tony is doing. At the same time there is a place for Main distro which are ideally accessible out of the box or with minimal configuration where perhaps more settings are required but one can take advantage of the latest technology and what the main stream are using. Thanks to Luke, Will, Tony and all others including those who are happy to be at the bleeding edge who contribute to accessible technology. Regards Isaac -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Sales Sent: 22 October 2009 20:13 To: Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: RE: How's Karmic these days? Hi everyone, I think everyone appreciates what Willie and Luke are doing, without them LInux would be a whole lot less accessible and they are doing a great job in the circumstances. However they are up against the same problem as every other VI user, in that although companies acknowledge the need for accessibility it isn't very high on their priorities list and this is reflected on the fact that Luke and Willie seem to be the only people who are allowed to work on these projects by their employers. If they were serious their would be a team of people working on accessibility, and it wouldn't be an afterthought but a fundamental element of all applications. The reality is that the VI are but one minority group amongst many, they aren't a big enough user group to generate billions of dollars, and thus they are catered for by smaller companies who can charge an arm and a leg for software many people can't survive without. I think mainstream Linux accessibility will gradually g et better, but just like with Windows, it will always be an afterthought or add on, it is unlikely that any major distributer will produce a fully accessible OS optimised for the VI. This is why I started making Vinux, and I don't want to start any new arguments about mainstream v specialist accesibility software, but just imagine if Willie and Luke where actually working on an Orca distro rather than on the software itself, instead of trying to get it to work with Ubuntu's latest cutting edge technology. Then they would be able to make whatever changes were necessary to get the system fully accessible and include all the best accessible software. That is what I am trying to do with Vinux, but I simply don't have the technical skills and knowledge that Luke and Willie have, and like me they have to earn a living and it isn't likely to come from producing open-source accessibility software unless a government or large charity get involved. I still think it would be great if a ll of the developers interested in VI issues could pool their resources into one distro to rule them all, and this is not an attempt to devalue their work, what they are doing is great, but I sometimes feel that we are all swimming against the tide of the needs of the sighted majority and we are always going to be little fish. Keep up the good work, I am following in your wake, and without the work you do the Vinux project would not have been possible at all! drbongo ___________________________________ From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Willie Walker [William.Walker at Sun.COM] Sent: 22 October 2009 19:26 To: Bill Cox Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: How's Karmic these days? Hi All: From a stability standpoint, I can share what I'm planning for GNOME 2.30, which I suspect is likely to be what Lucid Lynx will be based upon. The main goal for GNOME 2.30 (which you'll see developed via the GNOME 2.29.x development releases) is that we're retooling the entire accessibility infrastructure to shed the Bonobo/CORBA dependency. This includes the AT-SPI infrastructure, speech, and magnification: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/BonoboDeprecation At the same time, we have some big technologies coming down the pipe that will need accessibility support: WebKit and GNOME Shell. GDM 2.28 also has some accessibility issues that need addressing. It's a lot of work and we're going to do our best to make sure the changes are positive changes for GNOME 2.30. But, there will be instability for a period of time during the GNOME 2.29 development cycle. So...what this means is that I am going to keep Orca development down to a minimum during the 2.29.x/2.30 cycle. I plan only to fix high priority bugs in Orca and will work to make sure these bug fixes are backported to GNOME 2.28. For the near future, people needing stability should stick with GNOME 2.28 and Karmic. While Karmic may have some issues now, I think the users on this list need to get behind it, test it, and get constructive feedback and patches back to the Ubuntu team. BTW, I fully sympathize with Luke -- I've been doing a11y work for nearly 20 years and you are constantly between a rock and a hard place. Some of the users constantly spit and yell at you and your bosses keep stripping you down to barely enough to survive. The one thing that keeps you going are the successes of users where the difference between having the solution and not having the solution can mean having a job or not having a job, being able to communicate with others or not being able to communicate with others, etc. Will (GNOME Accessibility Lead) Bill Cox wrote: > Hi, Luke. > > Thanks for working on accessibility. I feel really rotten about > complaining about the bugs without putting in effort into debugging. > However, my boss is all over me at the moment to get another project > back on schedule. I'm sure you know what that's like. > > However, over the next year, I promise to find some time to nail a bug > or two, like the crash in speech dispatcher. In the meantime, we > should probably set expectations for users, and let them know it will > be a while before Orca is working in a stable manner in the latest > Ubuntu. It's an unfortunate situation, but blind users are simply not > able to chip in and fix things when accessibility is broken, so it > will be up to the very few of us interested in accessibility who still > have decent vision to pull it off. > > Best regards, > Bill > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:26AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: >>> Sorry guys, I know there's some of you out there who actually work >>> on Ubuntu accessibility, but the current state sucks. I certainly >>> hope Ubuntu decides at some point to make accessibility a priority. >> I can understand why, as a user, you feel that way. Unfortunately I am the only one so far as I know of, actively working on improving Ubuntu's accessibility, and while I do as much as I can to make things work as well as they can, I have other matters that I need to attend to, due to working for Canonical and being responsible for other parts of the desktop as well, so I can only do so much in the time I allocate for accessibility work. >> >> Unfortunately the speech-dispatcher crasher is at the moment, somewhat beyond my current skills to debug, although learning valgrind will likely help me get better with sed debugging, and hopefully get rid of the speech-dispatcher crash. >> >> So if you really want Ubuntu's accessibility to get better, I urge you to consider helping out in whatever way you can, even if its only filing and triaging bugs, thats something. The more bugs that are in a triaged state, the less work I have to do, and the more bugs I can attempt to fix. >> >> I hope you all understand, and will do what you can to help. >> >> Regards >> Luke >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From waywardgeek at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 16:01:25 2009 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:01:25 -0400 Subject: Getting Orca working with Karmic Message-ID: <499d69a00910230901k2f57a46cj4e29b108fefded2f@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone gotten Orca working well in Karmic Beta? If so, what changes did you have to make? One thing that seems to have helped was to remove pulseaudio. However, before that, you need to install alsa-oss, or you wont have a sound system at all. This seems to have made Orca able to clear out the speech-dispatcher queue of sound you don't want to hear. It's still pretty unstable. I haven't been able to use it in any productive way for more than a couple minutes at a time before something crashes. Bill From tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 20:28:50 2009 From: tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk (Anthony Sales) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:28:50 +0100 Subject: Vinux 2.0 Command Line Interface Edition - Release Announcement Message-ID: Vinux 2.0 Command Line Interface Edition - Release Announcement I am happy to announce the release of the CLI Edition of Vinux 2.0 ! The CLI edition comes in the form of an installable live CD which provides a console only version of Debian Lenny 5.03 with Speakup installed and enabled by default. This editon is aimed at intermediate and advanced users and perhaps beginners who want an easy introduction to the command line interface. It was inspired by GRML, but is aimed specifically at VI desktop users rather than sighted sysadmins. It comes with over a thousand packages installed covering all of the main catagories: editors, browsers, mail clients, text-based games and lots of utilities etc. It also features over 60 single character command aliases for all of the most common commands e.g. 'm' for menu, 'i' for internet, 'e' for editor etc. To see a full list just type 'h' to view the help file or 'a' to see a list of all of the alias commands. You can find the iso and some documentaion at: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/CLI-Edition/ Have Fun! drbongo From angelo.marra at libero.it Sat Oct 24 12:29:19 2009 From: angelo.marra at libero.it (angelo) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:29:19 +0200 Subject: speech and access Message-ID: <4AE2F31F.7080800@libero.it> hi guys any news on the use of SAPI on the new version and dragon naturally for Linux? thanks in advance Angelo From themuso at ubuntu.com Sat Oct 24 22:12:12 2009 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:12:12 +1100 Subject: Getting Orca working with Karmic In-Reply-To: <499d69a00910230901k2f57a46cj4e29b108fefded2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a00910230901k2f57a46cj4e29b108fefded2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091024221212.GA3177@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 03:01:25AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: > Has anyone gotten Orca working well in Karmic Beta? If so, what > changes did you have to make? > > One thing that seems to have helped was to remove pulseaudio. > However, before that, you need to install alsa-oss, or you wont have a > sound system at all. This seems to have made Orca able to clear out > the speech-dispatcher queue of sound you don't want to hear. It's > still pretty unstable. I haven't been able to use it in any > productive way for more than a couple minutes at a time before > something crashes. What speech-dispatcher configuration are you using? By default, speech-dispatcher will try pulse, and fall back to alsa if pulse is not running/available. Speech-dispatcher, appart from that pain in the neck crasher which I still can't put a finger on, work quite well together, when the phases of the sun/moon/earth are aligned etc. :) Luke From david at rustytelephone.net Sat Oct 24 23:41:51 2009 From: david at rustytelephone.net (David Sexton) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:41:51 -1000 Subject: Making voxin use alsa? Message-ID: <20091024234151.GA27221@Betsy> Hi, I remember there is a way to make voxin use alsa with gnome speech services, but I forgot... Anyway, system sounds are not playing while it's talking which means one is using oss or something Oh, using ubuntu 9.04 and voxin 0.24 on 64bit machine * Luke Yelavich [091024 13:39]: > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 03:01:25AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: > > Has anyone gotten Orca working well in Karmic Beta? If so, what > > changes did you have to make? > > > > One thing that seems to have helped was to remove pulseaudio. > > However, before that, you need to install alsa-oss, or you wont have a > > sound system at all. This seems to have made Orca able to clear out > > the speech-dispatcher queue of sound you don't want to hear. It's > > still pretty unstable. I haven't been able to use it in any > > productive way for more than a couple minutes at a time before > > something crashes. > > What speech-dispatcher configuration are you using? By default, speech-dispatcher will try pulse, and fall back to alsa if pulse is not running/available. Speech-dispatcher, appart from that pain in the neck crasher which I still can't put a finger on, work quite well together, when the phases of the sun/moon/earth are aligned etc. :) > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From vilmar at informal.com.br Sun Oct 25 12:32:12 2009 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (jose vilmar estacio de souza) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:32:12 -0200 Subject: Making voxin use alsa? In-Reply-To: <20091024234151.GA27221@Betsy> References: <20091024234151.GA27221@Betsy> Message-ID: <4AE4454C.7090007@informal.com.br> Hi, Yes, I had exactly the same problem and I solved it. I had to install extra libraries but I dont't remember exactly which. Please try the following command: aoss /usr/bin/viavoice-synthesis-driver You'll receive a message complaint about a library that can not be loaded. Send me that message and I think that I can help. []S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza http://www.informal.com.br Msn:vilmar at informal.com.br Skype:jvilmar Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jvesouza Phone: +55 21-2555-2650 Cel: +55 21-8868-0859 On 10/24/2009 09:41 PM, David Sexton wrote: > Hi, I remember there is a way to make voxin use alsa with gnome speech > services, but I forgot... Anyway, system sounds are not playing while > it's talking which means one is using oss or something > Oh, using ubuntu 9.04 and voxin 0.24 on 64bit machine > * Luke Yelavich [091024 13:39]: > >> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 03:01:25AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: >> >>> Has anyone gotten Orca working well in Karmic Beta? If so, what >>> changes did you have to make? >>> >>> One thing that seems to have helped was to remove pulseaudio. >>> However, before that, you need to install alsa-oss, or you wont have a >>> sound system at all. This seems to have made Orca able to clear out >>> the speech-dispatcher queue of sound you don't want to hear. It's >>> still pretty unstable. I haven't been able to use it in any >>> productive way for more than a couple minutes at a time before >>> something crashes. >>> >> What speech-dispatcher configuration are you using? By default, speech-dispatcher will try pulse, and fall back to alsa if pulse is not running/available. Speech-dispatcher, appart from that pain in the neck crasher which I still can't put a finger on, work quite well together, when the phases of the sun/moon/earth are aligned etc. :) >> >> Luke >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > From thomaslloyd at yahoo.com Sun Oct 25 21:40:02 2009 From: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com (Tom Lloyd) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: speech and access (angelo) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <285092.9193.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > hi guys > any news on the use of SAPI SAPI in v10 of DNS only supports SAPI4 to date. Newer versions so far are unknown. > dragon naturally for > Linux? DNS is not available for Limux only win, however it can br run using wine. > thanks in advance > Angelo I am keeping my fingers crossed for a version that support SAPI 5.x Tom Open-sapi - High Quality SAPI Text to Speech Engines in Linux: http://code.google.com/p/open-sapi/ From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 10:04:42 2009 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:34:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: Getting Orca working with Karmic In-Reply-To: <499d69a00910230901k2f57a46cj4e29b108fefded2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <371800.42105.qm@web94908.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, Just installed Ubuntu karmic on dozen desktops. Apart from few crashes at-spi crashes things seems to be working without needing to remove pulseaudio. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com --- On Fri, 23/10/09, Bill Cox wrote: > From: Bill Cox > Subject: Getting Orca working with Karmic > To: "Isaac Porat" > Cc: Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Date: Friday, 23 October, 2009, 9:31 PM > Has anyone gotten Orca working well > in Karmic Beta?  If so, what > changes did you have to make? > > One thing that seems to have helped was to remove > pulseaudio. > However, before that, you need to install alsa-oss, or you > wont have a > sound system at all.  This seems to have made Orca > able to clear out > the speech-dispatcher queue of sound you don't want to > hear.  It's > still pretty unstable.  I haven't been able to use it > in any > productive way for more than a couple minutes at a time > before > something crashes. > > Bill > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the Yahoo! India Homepage! http://in.yahoo.com/trynew From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 17:15:18 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:15:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: speech crashing in karmic Message-ID: <0KSA00NWPD9I4VHF@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, is there a command to restart orca when speech-dispatcher crashes? Mike. From angelo.marra at libero.it Thu Oct 29 23:54:29 2009 From: angelo.marra at libero.it (angelo) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:54:29 +0100 Subject: speech and access (angelo) In-Reply-To: <285092.9193.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <285092.9193.qm@web54106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AEA2B35.9090902@libero.it> Tom Lloyd ha scritto: >> hi guys >> any news on the use of SAPI >> > > SAPI in v10 of DNS only supports SAPI4 to date. Newer versions so far are unknown. > > > >> dragon naturally for >> Linux? >> > > DNS is not available for Limux only win, however it can br run using wine. > > This has proven to be false in my case:-((( then, if you are one of the few who enjoy it in linux, as far as I know, it still crushes after 15 min of use could not be done some package like picasa? it is a win souource pre-combined with some wine bits.... from what I ve red. >> thanks in advance >> Angelo >> > > I am keeping my fingers crossed for a version that support SAPI 5.x cool! > Tom > > Open-sapi - High Quality SAPI Text to Speech Engines in Linux: http://code.google.com/p/open-sapi/ > > > > > From William.Walker at Sun.COM Fri Oct 30 13:37:21 2009 From: William.Walker at Sun.COM (Willie Walker) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:37:21 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [orca-list] Problem with Orca modifier keyon Ubuntu Karmic] Message-ID: <1256909841.15918.37.camel@portege> Just an FYI on a potential issue for Karmic. I haven't had a chance to test the latest Karmic stuff, but I thought I'd post this here in case anyone has seen anything. Will -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Kyle Subject: [orca-list] Problem with Orca modifier keyon Ubuntu Karmic Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:09:31 -0400 Size: 8353 URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Fri Oct 30 22:32:02 2009 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (mike) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:32:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: seamonkey and karmic Message-ID: <0KSC00ANQMLEW4FO@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, has anyone tried using the new version of seamonkey with karmic? It seems to work well except for one thing. I can't get to the file menu using alt f. Any ideas? Mike.