From manselton at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 15:16:30 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:16:30 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <8BE5DF560A024C638A770818487E8E1C@winterkid> References: <8BE5DF560A024C638A770818487E8E1C@winterkid> Message-ID: I've inspected a laptop with Windows 7 installed from DVD using a grml live CD. (http://grml.org is an administrator's distro with masses of text based tools. As it supports speak-up, as early as possible in the boot process, this makes it excellent for the visually impaired who want to learn system administration. But the learning curve is steep!) The laptop has two partitions. The boot partition is first. It begins at sector 2048 and is 105MB in size and is 25% used. The remainder of the 120GB disk is C: drive. The bare installation used 6GB on this drive. If you are not using Windows much then I'd install that first. It may allow you to limit the amount of disk used or else or installing vinux you can easily resize the 2nd partition to make space. 100 GB should be plenty. The partition system is inherited from MSDOS and linux used the same partitioning so that dual booting could be achieved. Linux partitions start at sector 63 so I can only guess that Windows is putting a lot of boot code into sectors 1-2047. Sector 0 is the master boot record or mbr and it contains the partition table. Installing Vinux second will overwrite some this with grub2 unless you install grub into the Vinux partition instead of the beginning of the disc. They have to chain the windows boot loader to Vinux. Google for EasyBCD for a windows solution to this. Good Luck From manselton at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 16:36:14 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 17:36:14 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: <8BE5DF560A024C638A770818487E8E1C@winterkid> Message-ID: http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Ubuntu The above link is a step by step installation of Ubuntu (& therefore Vinux) next Windows 7 or Vista with the assistance of EasyBCD. Maurice From manselton at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 17:28:34 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:28:34 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: <8BE5DF560A024C638A770818487E8E1C@winterkid> Message-ID: Instead of all the hassle of partitioning etc. (unless you just like all that sort of stuff for its own sake) have you thought of installing VirtualBox or qemu-kvm into Vinux and then running all your other systems as virtual machines. You would still need a legitimate Windows 7 installation disk. In my opinion it is worth your time to do so. In fact a lot of OS development is done on virtual machines these days. Maurice From michaelrcross66 at austin.rr.com Mon Aug 2 21:35:23 2010 From: michaelrcross66 at austin.rr.com (Michael Cross) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:35:23 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 57, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <65FDD2E537DC4E4F9C5705A57021A172@winterkid> I like Maurice's suggestion about VirtualBox. That's the way I'll do it. Thanks Michael Cross -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:00 AM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 57, Issue 2 Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-accessibility-owner at lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 (Maurice McCarthy) 2. Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 (Maurice McCarthy) 3. Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 (Maurice McCarthy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:16:30 +0100 From: Maurice McCarthy Subject: Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've inspected a laptop with Windows 7 installed from DVD using a grml live CD. (http://grml.org is an administrator's distro with masses of text based tools. As it supports speak-up, as early as possible in the boot process, this makes it excellent for the visually impaired who want to learn system administration. But the learning curve is steep!) The laptop has two partitions. The boot partition is first. It begins at sector 2048 and is 105MB in size and is 25% used. The remainder of the 120GB disk is C: drive. The bare installation used 6GB on this drive. If you are not using Windows much then I'd install that first. It may allow you to limit the amount of disk used or else or installing vinux you can easily resize the 2nd partition to make space. 100 GB should be plenty. The partition system is inherited from MSDOS and linux used the same partitioning so that dual booting could be achieved. Linux partitions start at sector 63 so I can only guess that Windows is putting a lot of boot code into sectors 1-2047. Sector 0 is the master boot record or mbr and it contains the partition table. Installing Vinux second will overwrite some this with grub2 unless you install grub into the Vinux partition instead of the beginning of the disc. They have to chain the windows boot loader to Vinux. Google for EasyBCD for a windows solution to this. Good Luck ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 17:36:14 +0100 From: Maurice McCarthy Subject: Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Ubuntu The above link is a step by step installation of Ubuntu (& therefore Vinux) next Windows 7 or Vista with the assistance of EasyBCD. Maurice ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:28:34 +0100 From: Maurice McCarthy Subject: Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 56, Issue 6 To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Instead of all the hassle of partitioning etc. (unless you just like all that sort of stuff for its own sake) have you thought of installing VirtualBox or qemu-kvm into Vinux and then running all your other systems as virtual machines. You would still need a legitimate Windows 7 installation disk. In my opinion it is worth your time to do so. In fact a lot of OS development is done on virtual machines these days. Maurice ------------------------------ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility End of Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 57, Issue 2 *************************************************** From ash.cox at talktalk.net Thu Aug 5 09:23:57 2010 From: ash.cox at talktalk.net (ashley) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:23:57 +0100 Subject: A new list subscribers first question. Message-ID: Hi All, My name is ashley cox, and i'm new here on this list. Some of you may know me from the orca-list, and possibly from the AC Tech podcast, and possibly the ubuntu 10.04 install guide. I hope to be able to share information, and help out the comunity, as well as to get some of my own questions answered. Here's the first of those questions: I need to setup a web server, and am thinking of using ubuntu server. However, I wondered if ubuntu server has an accessible install? Unfortunately, I don't have a braille display, so if ubuntu server is inaccessible I may have to go with arch. Does ubuntu server include speakup or an similar screen-reader? Are there any guides out there to get it installed? All I want to do is runn a simple web and ftp server with php, mysql and ftp. Thanks for any and all answers! Ash Website: http://www.ashleycox.co.uk Podcast: http://www.bavis.co.uk/theactechpodcast Blog: http://daysofthegeek.blogspot.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ashleycox2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 5 12:17:46 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:17:46 +1000 Subject: A new list subscribers first question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100805121746.GA4070@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 07:23:57PM EST, ashley wrote: > I need to setup a web server, and am thinking of using ubuntu server. However, I wondered if ubuntu server has an accessible install? Unfortunately, I don't have a braille display, so if ubuntu server is inaccessible I may have to go with arch. Does ubuntu server include speakup or an similar screen-reader? Are there any guides out there to get it installed? > All I want to do is runn a simple web and ftp server with php, mysql and ftp. The server edition of Ubuntu has no accessibility, at least for speech users. There is some accessibility for braille users, but since you don't have a braille display, that is not an option for you. Luke From everett at zufelt.ca Thu Aug 5 12:21:42 2010 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:21:42 -0400 Subject: A new list subscribers first question. In-Reply-To: <20100805121746.GA4070@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <20100805121746.GA4070@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <0FF62238-8130-4E30-800B-C2B890B92593@zufelt.ca> Is it possible to do a chroot install of Ubuntu Server from an accessible Live CD? Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-08-05, at 8:17 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 07:23:57PM EST, ashley wrote: >> I need to setup a web server, and am thinking of using ubuntu server. However, I wondered if ubuntu server has an accessible install? Unfortunately, I don't have a braille display, so if ubuntu server is inaccessible I may have to go with arch. Does ubuntu server include speakup or an similar screen-reader? Are there any guides out there to get it installed? >> All I want to do is runn a simple web and ftp server with php, mysql and ftp. > > The server edition of Ubuntu has no accessibility, at least for speech users. There is some accessibility for braille users, but since you don't have a braille display, that is not an option for you. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luke.yelavich at canonical.com Thu Aug 5 12:25:34 2010 From: luke.yelavich at canonical.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:25:34 +1000 Subject: A new list subscribers first question. In-Reply-To: <0FF62238-8130-4E30-800B-C2B890B92593@zufelt.ca> References: <20100805121746.GA4070@strigy.yelavich.home> <0FF62238-8130-4E30-800B-C2B890B92593@zufelt.ca> Message-ID: <20100805122534.GB4070@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 10:21:42PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Is it possible to do a chroot install of Ubuntu Server from an accessible Live CD? Yes, but its a lot of manual work, and fiddling around. I wouldn't recommend it. Luke From th3pr0ph3t at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 19:58:02 2010 From: th3pr0ph3t at gmail.com (Juan Montoya) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 14:58:02 -0500 Subject: Greetings... Message-ID: Hello, My name is Juan, I joined the and accessibility team expecting to lend a hand in whatever makes Ubuntu easier to use. I can translate from and to Spanish. I am interested in accessibility for visually disabled users and mouse-disabled users, since this will help not only blind people. Is this group still active? From speakup at lists.tacticus.com Sat Aug 7 22:22:35 2010 From: speakup at lists.tacticus.com (luke Davis) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Greetings... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, it still has subscribers, for what that's worth. That's about all I know, however, as I've been somewhat out of touch. Regards, Luke Davis On Sat, 7 Aug 2010, Juan Montoya wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Juan, I joined the and accessibility team expecting to lend > a hand in whatever makes Ubuntu easier to use. > > I can translate from and to Spanish. > I am interested in accessibility for visually disabled users and > mouse-disabled users, since this will help not only blind people. > > Is this group still active? > > From phillw at phillw.net Sat Aug 7 23:06:36 2010 From: phillw at phillw.net (Phillip Whiteside) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 00:06:36 +0100 Subject: Greetings... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Juan, welcome. the mail group will not fill your mail box up with hundreds of messages. Just in case you have not found them yet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility and http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=145 are good resources, the accessibilty team do have great input on how ubuntu works, a lot has been done within the ubuntu family to keep accessibilty in the minds of the development teams who do remarkable work. Ubuntu as a project is totally committed to accessibilty, like any family we have our disagreements :-) For your interest in translations, there are teams in the *buntu family who would love to hear from you. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations is a good place to start. My quick introduction to the family that is Ubuntu can be found at http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52 along with the "main" translation team, each of those projects would be grateful of your help. Regards, Phill. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Juan Montoya wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Juan, I joined the and accessibility team expecting to lend > a hand in whatever makes Ubuntu easier to use. > > I can translate from and to Spanish. > I am interested in accessibility for visually disabled users and > mouse-disabled users, since this will help not only blind people. > > Is this group still active? > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdlegg at iinet.net.au Sun Aug 8 05:07:09 2010 From: cdlegg at iinet.net.au (Chris Legg) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:07:09 +0800 Subject: Greetings... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5E3B7D.4000400@iinet.net.au> Greetings from a fellow newbie. So far there have been a couple of posts and they have been relevant and not something that could be solved with 2 minutes on google. I hope this will be a productive list to be a part of. Chris On 8/08/2010 3:58 AM, Juan Montoya wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Juan, I joined the and accessibility team expecting to lend > a hand in whatever makes Ubuntu easier to use. > > I can translate from and to Spanish. > I am interested in accessibility for visually disabled users and > mouse-disabled users, since this will help not only blind people. > > Is this group still active? > From mk.seventhson at gmail.com Tue Aug 10 19:47:20 2010 From: mk.seventhson at gmail.com (mk360) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:47:20 -0400 Subject: Speakup on maverick Message-ID: <4C61ACC8.6040705@gmail.com> Hi, I started testing with ubuntu maverick upgrading from lucid and apparently all in gnome work well (strange, usually I've many problems upgrading to other versions :P) but the problem is with speakup. I configured pulse to work in system mode and installed speakup with sudo aptitude install speakup-source and sudo m-a a-i speakup-source, but nothing, the only errors I get are from some links but apparently speakup is installed but don't speak anything, also yasr don't start, so I think the problem is with spd. 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Configurando speakup-modules-2.6.35-14-generic-pae (3.1.5.dfsg.1-0ubuntu1+2.6.35-14.20) ... ]0;root at SeventhSon: /home/mk360 root at SeventhSon:/home/mk360# exit exit Script terminado (mar 10 ago 2010 13:46:05 CLT ) From everett at zufelt.ca Thu Aug 12 12:57:34 2010 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:57:34 -0400 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu Message-ID: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> Hi, Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware. Thanks, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdlegg at iinet.net.au Thu Aug 12 13:49:13 2010 From: cdlegg at iinet.net.au (Chris Legg) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:49:13 +0800 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> Message-ID: <4C63FBD9.6040507@iinet.net.au> The installer would not have any sound drivers loaded so speech output wouldn't be possible. However I believe you can run a live desktop from the CD without installing, so you might be able to launch Orca and run the graphical installer that way. Chris On 12/08/2010 8:57 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Hi, > > Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of > the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? > > My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to > access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the > first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the > options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent > this of which I am unaware. > > Thanks, > Everett Zufelt > http://zufelt.ca > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Thu Aug 12 16:54:06 2010 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:54:06 +0100 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C63FBD9.6040507@iinet.net.au> References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> <4C63FBD9.6040507@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4C64272E.6000100@ukonline.co.uk> Hi list, Could someone sighted please explain exactly what happens when you boot the current (lucid) desktop CD? In the previous couple of versions of Ubuntu, the following used to happen; 1. You boot the CD. 2. Almost immediately the CD stops spinning and you are on a language selection screen. You press either enter or escape to dismiss it. 3. You are now on a screen that lets you either hit enter to boot a live desktop, or down arrow once and hit enter to do an install. But prior to doing either of these things you could presss F5 to bring up the accessibility options, then choose one by typing a number such as 3 for screen reader, then press enter to confirm it. 4. And the CD would then boot into either the desktop or installer with your chosen accessibility mode. Now things have changed. As I understand it, the CD now starts to boot immediately into a graphical something or other... and at some point you have the option of hitting space to bring up the original accessibility menu? I don't understand! Are there still separate live desktop and install options? I've never been able to get the Lucid CD to come up talking into either an installer or the desktop. Thanks. Paul On 12/08/10 14:49, Chris Legg wrote: > The installer would not have any sound drivers loaded so speech output > wouldn't be possible. > However I believe you can run a live desktop from the CD without > installing, so you might be able to launch Orca and run the graphical > installer that way. > > Chris > > > > On 12/08/2010 8:57 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of >> the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? >> >> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now >> to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on >> the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate >> the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would >> prevent this of which I am unaware. >> >> Thanks, >> Everett Zufelt >> http://zufelt.ca >> >> Follow me on Twitter >> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >> >> View my LinkedIn Profile >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pstowe at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 16:48:57 2010 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:48:57 -0400 Subject: Meetings Message-ID: I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630 Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC. If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC. Thank you! Penelope From pstowe at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 17:00:19 2010 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:00:19 -0400 Subject: August 18, 2010 Meeting Agenda Message-ID: Hi, I've updated the wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda ) to reflect the agenda for the next meeting. Please feel free to add to the agenda with concerns/things you'd like to discuss! The current agenda: * Next Steps on Personas * Status of Wiki * What's Happening with Devel * Starting to think about plans for the N-Cycle/UDS? Thank you! ~Penelope From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Aug 12 17:33:21 2010 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:33:21 -0600 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C64272E.6000100@ukonline.co.uk> References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> <4C63FBD9.6040507@iinet.net.au> <4C64272E.6000100@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: <20100812113321.0a86859f@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:54:06 +0100 Paul Hunt wrote: > Hi list, > > Could someone sighted please explain exactly what happens when you boot > the current (lucid) desktop CD? > > In the previous couple of versions of Ubuntu, the following used to happen; > > 1. You boot the CD. > > 2. Almost immediately the CD stops spinning and you are on a language > selection screen. You press either enter or escape to dismiss it. > > 3. You are now on a screen that lets you either hit enter to boot a live > desktop, or down arrow once and hit enter to do an install. But prior > to doing either of these things you could presss F5 to bring up the > accessibility options, then choose one by typing a number such as 3 for > screen reader, then press enter to confirm it. > > 4. And the CD would then boot into either the desktop or installer with > your chosen accessibility mode. > > Now things have changed. > > As I understand it, the CD now starts to boot immediately into a > graphical something or other... and at some point you have the option of > hitting space to bring up the original accessibility menu? > > I don't understand! Are there still separate live desktop and install > options? > > I've never been able to get the Lucid CD to come up talking into either > an installer or the desktop. > > Thanks. > Paul Okay, let me try. The Ubuntu 10.04 CD now spins for several seconds before the first screen comes up. On my computer, that is about 97 seconds. The screen that does come up offers my choice of languages, and two other buttons. The top button is "Try Ubuntu 10.04 LTS" and the bottom button is "Install Ubuntu 10.04 LTS". The language selections are in a scrolling column on the left side of the screen. Hitting enter on this screen started the installation. > On 12/08/10 14:49, Chris Legg wrote: > > The installer would not have any sound drivers loaded so speech output > > wouldn't be possible. > > However I believe you can run a live desktop from the CD without > > installing, so you might be able to launch Orca and run the graphical > > installer that way. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > On 12/08/2010 8:57 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of > >> the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? > >> > >> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now > >> to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on > >> the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate > >> the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would > >> prevent this of which I am unaware. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Everett Zufelt > >> http://zufelt.ca > >> > >> Follow me on Twitter > >> http://twitter.com/ezufelt > >> > >> View my LinkedIn Profile > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > >> > >> > > > - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMZDBhAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAaq4H/0BWVBJEN1mQrrJNgs//a7xa fjKxnwIjWBem9AKwRGpH3KV86zjoT1H182Q7M2YeguElZaLZLJKXK1TRsI0jaKnH EhHit9trJ8Y949mdrBy8Bg5rx4N/8nVCy6tB6YWDJrFEBSTJNETKKL+m6ehTsP7j AGb+K8NUHR8kUqJxaZt/i+MVeVhlPYa8c6+/mdUty0EEZII5AYsTb4JAyiOglOe/ p90v+KUi5eFJqmNszWoK1p5aNg1gcHke0eGjDHX6Kap25oV1L8uUPvwTJ04Z22ub IqnUOLZyovAcCjG1VzqF8eHqEQkOVMdqvruZddlNPJq4IyHPu6XYEk+olaGRL6w= =lLZ0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tara at birl.org Thu Aug 12 17:38:42 2010 From: tara at birl.org (Tara Sawyer) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:38:42 -0700 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> Message-ID: <4C6431A2.1040403@birl.org> On Macintosh OS X systems,, if you are at the front boot screen of the install screen long enough without touching/typing anything, the screen reader software starts up and asks if you need a screen reader. I forget exactly how that works, as I'm sighted, but I could go figure it out if it helped someone. Paul, did you get this figured out? We can work together off list if you need more help. With Love, Tara E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Hi, > > Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of > the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? > > My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to > access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the > first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the > options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent > this of which I am unaware. > > Thanks, > Everett Zufelt > http://zufelt.ca > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Thu Aug 12 17:48:17 2010 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:48:17 +0100 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C6431A2.1040403@birl.org> References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> <4C6431A2.1040403@birl.org> Message-ID: <4C6433E1.9070705@ukonline.co.uk> Hi Tara, Yes I know about how Macs automatically start speech if you don't interact with the system. Basically they assume you can't see the screen if you don't do anything after a set period. It would be great if Ubuntu could be like this or we could at least have a system where speech could be enabled at any time with a simple easy to remember keypress. I still don't fully understand how we're (as in blind people) currently supposed to get the Ubuntu CD up and talking. I do have it installed (I'm using it right now) but I would like to try and get the developers to make it easier for blind people in future versions to get up and running so I need to understand how it works at the moment. Any help appreciated! Paul On 12/08/10 18:38, Tara Sawyer wrote: > On Macintosh OS X systems,, if you are at the front boot screen of the > install screen long enough without touching/typing anything, the > screen reader software starts up and asks if you need a screen > reader. I forget exactly how that works, as I'm sighted, but I could > go figure it out if it helped someone. > > Paul, did you get this figured out? We can work together off list if > you need more help. > > With Love, > Tara > > E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of >> the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? >> >> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now >> to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on >> the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate >> the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would >> prevent this of which I am unaware. >> >> Thanks, >> Everett Zufelt >> http://zufelt.ca >> >> Follow me on Twitter >> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >> >> View my LinkedIn Profile >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Aug 12 18:04:44 2010 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:04:44 -0600 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100812120444.44506947@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:48:57 -0400 Penelope Stowe wrote: > I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but > the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630 > > Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC. > > If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings > be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC. > > Thank you! > > Penelope > I will second that motion. Having a regular schedule for the meetings certainly helps. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMZDe8AAoJEFNEIRz9dxbApLAIALRFvy7K/NuT/vwYuXNVXPCn +hkOFdXwnH1bRqhLDQnOhzctaljrzpCDJuD10tfveIBUo+/1QbwiZR5TsiKhobOy VMdJFqQnUU+4W87pj5LUApO9I2Vm27wykytp/CB1AEk9ANlpes9FuR2rj5+OtyGo /Zjla9h/cvEsfwmfxw1YwVQRbFzIhVLDW/9ypUWWVfzYoO33DrzHEjUzrkC+oMBP 1YBfBHJGWlKNJFzBBmDGDk97iE/Hq75CBKgVbjRx2sEdegLWyb4BKnWU/SkYhICr f4zkzr5cb4LekK/VBVqUvJZ12cHkptY96ZUAy8zk7/VU1QvF1rxwxO0k+mq08Ys= =RAUg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From manselton at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 18:31:55 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:31:55 +0100 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C6433E1.9070705@ukonline.co.uk> References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> <4C6431A2.1040403@birl.org> <4C6433E1.9070705@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: Paul, As a sighted person I was having trouble getting audacity verbal recording to work on Lucid Lynx until I chanced across Vinux (Linux for the Visually Impaired based on Lucid Lynx.) Vinux comes preconfigured in ways I found very useful. It is also the test bed for the accessibility options in Ubuntu. But this is a stable release. If you do nothing the Vinux-3.0 DVD boots into the live mode with a 10 second delay. Booting took about 2-3 minutes but there was no sound until the Desktop was up and Orca was launched. There are live CD, live DVD and live USB versions. These may be downloaded from http://vinux.org.uk/downloads.html Here is the explanation from http://www.vinux.org.uk/about.html Vinux is a remastered version of the popular Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx distribution optimised for the needs of blind and partially sighted users. By default it provides three screen-readers, two full-screen magnifiers, global font-size and colour changing facilities as well as support for USB Braille displays. When you boot the live CD you will be greeted by the Orca screen-reader/magnifier which enables you to navigate the graphical Gnome desktop using keybindings, as well as providing full screen-magnification if required. For those who prefer to work in a simple text based console there is the Speakup screen-reader and as an emergency backup we have installed YASR, a hybrid screen-reader which can be run in either console mode or in a virtual terminal on the Gnome desktop. A second full-screen magnifier is provided by the Compiz Window Manager, which uses 3D technology to allow you to magnify and navigate the whole screen using the mouse, or move a resizable virtual magnifying glass around the screen. The Gnome Desktop Manager itself provides you with global keybindings to change the font size and/or the colour scheme on the fly. Finally, Brltty provides Grade 1/2 Braille output via the Orca screen-reader. By default all of the screen-readers use the same Espeak Speech Synthesizer via Speech-Dispatcher which provides a seamless experience for the user when switching from one screen-reader to another! Best Wishes Maurice From everett at zufelt.ca Thu Aug 12 18:36:49 2010 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:36:49 -0400 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> <4C6431A2.1040403@birl.org> <4C6433E1.9070705@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: <0E9381D9-29FF-4236-B786-90EDAC2A53E3@zufelt.ca> Really thankful for the responses thus far. I think that what Paul and I are looking for though is for Ubuntu to be Universally Accessible, so that we don't need to download a different distribution or ask someone else for assistance with installation. Wouldn't it be great if Ubuntu could be easily installed and configured by the blind, without guessing at when to press a key or having to ask for assistance? Thanks again, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-08-12, at 2:31 PM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Paul, > > As a sighted person I was having trouble getting audacity verbal > recording to work on Lucid Lynx until I chanced across Vinux (Linux > for the Visually Impaired based on Lucid Lynx.) Vinux comes > preconfigured in ways I found very useful. It is also the test bed for > the accessibility options in Ubuntu. But this is a stable release. > > If you do nothing the Vinux-3.0 DVD boots into the live mode with a 10 > second delay. Booting took about 2-3 minutes but there was no sound > until the Desktop was up and Orca was launched. There are live CD, > live DVD and live USB versions. These may be downloaded from > > http://vinux.org.uk/downloads.html > > Here is the explanation from http://www.vinux.org.uk/about.html > > Vinux is a remastered version of the popular Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx > distribution optimised for the needs of blind and partially sighted > users. By default it provides three screen-readers, two full-screen > magnifiers, global font-size and colour changing facilities as well as > support for USB Braille displays. When you boot the live CD you will > be greeted by the Orca screen-reader/magnifier which enables you to > navigate the graphical Gnome desktop using keybindings, as well as > providing full screen-magnification if required. For those who prefer > to work in a simple text based console there is the Speakup > screen-reader and as an emergency backup we have installed YASR, a > hybrid screen-reader which can be run in either console mode or in a > virtual terminal on the Gnome desktop. A second full-screen magnifier > is provided by the Compiz Window Manager, which uses 3D technology to > allow you to magnify and navigate the whole screen using the mouse, > or move a resizable virtual magnifying glass around the screen. The > Gnome Desktop Manager itself provides you with global keybindings to > change the font size and/or the colour scheme on the fly. Finally, > Brltty provides Grade 1/2 Braille output via the Orca screen-reader. > By default all of the screen-readers use the same Espeak Speech > Synthesizer via Speech-Dispatcher which provides a seamless experience > for the user when switching from one screen-reader to another! > > Best Wishes > Maurice > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkenn337 at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 18:46:44 2010 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:46:44 -0400 Subject: accessible ubuntu startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64223E86-8B50-4EA4-9532-E713E28BD4AB@gmail.com> Hi I think I know how the mac works like that. When the mac starts up it starts a timer in the background which counts down maybe 10 or 20 seconds or so. If you do nothing, it triggers voiceover to start up. first it plays some audio files of a guy saying: if you are blind and want to use voiceover press command f5. I think ubuntu could be made more like vinux make shortcuts to start orca and restore speech and things. From phillw at phillw.net Thu Aug 12 19:52:02 2010 From: phillw at phillw.net (Phillip Whiteside) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:52:02 +0100 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: <20100812120444.44506947@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20100812120444.44506947@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm really sorry about this, but I've just started a new job. So will most likely be working (I run Pubs / Bars). I will try to get cover for the time the meeting is on. Please do not think I ignore the mailing list, I am committed to accessibility. If anyone would like help on the mine-field that is getting a web-site up to 'AAA' standards, or would help with those who need people to test, please do let me know. My wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw which has both my aims and links to what I've done with the help of people here and at another accessibity forum http://www.accessifyforum.com/ . I'd really like to spread the word, so please do tell me how I can help. (I'm not a computer programmer, just a web-site (php / xhtml / css) person trying to learn how to get sites to conform). Regards, Phill. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:48:57 -0400 > Penelope Stowe wrote: > > > I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but > > the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630 > > > > Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC. > > > > If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings > > be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Penelope > > > > I will second that motion. Having a regular schedule for the meetings > certainly helps. > > - -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. 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URL: From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 12 22:59:47 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:59:47 +1000 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> Message-ID: <20100812225946.GB4419@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Hi, > > Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better than in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity mode properly. > My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware. There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility infrastructure without completely reloading the installer. Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 12 23:00:51 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:00:51 +1000 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C63FBD9.6040507@iinet.net.au> References: <7676A8D9-D2D4-41DE-94BA-C4D78E302BDF@zufelt.ca> <4C63FBD9.6040507@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20100812230051.GC4419@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:49:13PM EST, Chris Legg wrote: > The installer would not have any sound drivers loaded so speech > output wouldn't be possible. This is incorrect. Whenever your system boots, if a sound card is found, and the kernel has the driver for it, sound will be available. > However I believe you can run a live desktop from the CD without > installing, so you might be able to launch Orca and run the > graphical installer that way. Yes, this is possible. Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 12 23:01:26 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:01:26 +1000 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100812230126.GD4419@strigy.yelavich.home> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:48:57AM EST, Penelope Stowe wrote: > I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but > the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630 > > Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC. > > If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings > be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC. This works for me. Luke From lists at zufelt.ca Thu Aug 12 12:54:26 2010 From: lists at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:54:26 -0400 Subject: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu Message-ID: Hi, Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware. Thanks, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mj at mjw.se Thu Aug 12 23:13:16 2010 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:13:16 +0200 Subject: SV: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01cb3a73$f1d06e90$3d17e255@mj> and add brltty to installer again -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] För E.J. Zufelt Skickat: den 12 augusti 2010 14:54 Till: Ubuntu Accessibility Ämne: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu Hi, Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware. 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After that it is a simple Options F2 to open the Launch programs dialog. Type Orca and press enter. This will start the Orca setup. HTH, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-08-12, at 6:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? > > Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better than in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity mode properly. > >> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware. > > There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility infrastructure without completely reloading the installer. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mj at mjw.se Thu Aug 12 23:28:17 2010 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:28:17 +0200 Subject: SV: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <3F354552-14B6-4D5D-832E-B8A91E20216F@zufelt.ca> Message-ID: <000501cb3a76$0b645db0$3d17e255@mj> and how do you do a quick install without to look on the screen? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] För E.J. Zufelt Skickat: den 13 augusti 2010 01:24 Till: Luke Yelavich Kopia: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Ämne: Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu For anyone interested and using a Mac... My temporary solution was to load Ubuntu in VMWare Fusion. I used the ISO and selected the "Quick INstall" option. After about 5 - 10 minutes I heard the login prompt and logged in (no speach) with the credentials I gave VMWare for the Easy Install. After that it is a simple Options F2 to open the Launch programs dialog. Type Orca and press enter. This will start the Orca setup. HTH, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-08-12, at 6:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Hi, Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better than in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity mode properly. My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware. There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility infrastructure without completely reloading the installer. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From everett at zufelt.ca Thu Aug 12 23:33:47 2010 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:33:47 -0400 Subject: SV: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <000501cb3a76$0b645db0$3d17e255@mj> References: <000501cb3a76$0b645db0$3d17e255@mj> Message-ID: Good evening, VMWare Fusion is a virtualization application for the Mac. It has an "Easy Install" option that will install Ubuntu for you as a virtual machine, it takes you up to the login screen, where all you need to do is provide your password (which you give VMWare Fusion when you start the install). It is all very easy and accessible. But once again, this only works if you are planning to virtualize Ubuntu using VMWare on a Mac. HTH, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-08-12, at 7:28 PM, mattias wrote: > and how do you do a quick install without to look on the screen? > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] För E.J. Zufelt > Skickat: den 13 augusti 2010 01:24 > Till: Luke Yelavich > Kopia: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Ämne: Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu > > For anyone interested and using a Mac... > > My temporary solution was to load Ubuntu in VMWare Fusion. I used the ISO and selected the "Quick INstall" option. After about 5 - 10 minutes I heard the login prompt and logged in (no speach) with the credentials I gave VMWare for the Easy Install. > > After that it is a simple Options F2 to open the Launch programs dialog. Type Orca and press enter. This will start the Orca setup. > > HTH, > Everett Zufelt > http://zufelt.ca > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > > > On 2010-08-12, at 6:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? >> >> Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better than in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity mode properly. >> >>> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware. >> >> There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility infrastructure without completely reloading the installer. >> >> Luke >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mj at mjw.se Thu Aug 12 23:39:55 2010 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:39:55 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201cb3a77$ab7371a0$3d17e255@mj> yes i have owned a mac -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: E.J. Zufelt [mailto:everett at zufelt.ca] Skickat: den 13 augusti 2010 01:34 Till: mattias Kopia: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Ämne: Re: SV: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu Good evening, VMWare Fusion is a virtualization application for the Mac. It has an "Easy Install" option that will install Ubuntu for you as a virtual machine, it takes you up to the login screen, where all you need to do is provide your password (which you give VMWare Fusion when you start the install). It is all very easy and accessible. But once again, this only works if you are planning to virtualize Ubuntu using VMWare on a Mac. HTH, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-08-12, at 7:28 PM, mattias wrote: and how do you do a quick install without to look on the screen? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] För E.J. Zufelt Skickat: den 13 augusti 2010 01:24 Till: Luke Yelavich Kopia: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Ämne: Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu For anyone interested and using a Mac... My temporary solution was to load Ubuntu in VMWare Fusion. I used the ISO and selected the "Quick INstall" option. After about 5 - 10 minutes I heard the login prompt and logged in (no speach) with the credentials I gave VMWare for the Easy Install. After that it is a simple Options F2 to open the Launch programs dialog. Type Orca and press enter. This will start the Orca setup. HTH, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-08-12, at 6:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Hi, Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next release of Ubuntu more accessible? Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better than in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity mode properly. My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options. Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware. There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility infrastructure without completely reloading the installer. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Thu Aug 12 23:47:07 2010 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:47:07 +0100 Subject: Accessible Install... Continued Message-ID: <4C6487FB.3070907@ukonline.co.uk> Hi, Sorry but I still haven't got an adequate answer to this. According to Charlie's answer, to my question about what happens when you boot the live CD, the first screen that comes up gives you the choice of language + buttons for choosing either an install or a live session. So how do you specify accessibility options? Paul From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Aug 12 23:59:30 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:59:30 +1000 Subject: Accessible Install... Continued In-Reply-To: <4C6487FB.3070907@ukonline.co.uk> References: <4C6487FB.3070907@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: <20100812235929.GB22058@strigy.yelavich.home> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:47:07AM EST, Paul Hunt wrote: > According to Charlie's answer, to my question about what happens when > you boot the live CD, the first screen that comes up gives you the > choice of language + buttons for choosing either an install or a live > session. > > So how do you specify accessibility options? When the CD boots, there is a small period of time when you can press a key, which will bring up the traditional languae options and the chance to select an accessibility profile. Visually, there is a small iamge on the bottom of the screen. Unfortunately I don't have any good ideas as to how one could know when to press a key to be able to bypass the language selectino, and select an accessibility profile, Luke From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Fri Aug 13 00:14:40 2010 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:14:40 +0100 Subject: Accessible Install... Continued In-Reply-To: <20100812235929.GB22058@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4C6487FB.3070907@ukonline.co.uk> <20100812235929.GB22058@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4C648E70.4000909@ukonline.co.uk> Okay, So if I want to try and improve this procedure for future versions of Ubuntu, how might I best go about it? Thanks. Paul On 13/08/10 00:59, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:47:07AM EST, Paul Hunt wrote: > >> According to Charlie's answer, to my question about what happens when >> you boot the live CD, the first screen that comes up gives you the >> choice of language + buttons for choosing either an install or a live >> session. >> >> So how do you specify accessibility options? >> > When the CD boots, there is a small period of time when you can press a key, which will bring up the traditional languae options and the chance to select an accessibility profile. Visually, there is a small iamge on the bottom of the screen. Unfortunately I don't have any good ideas as to how one could know when to press a key to be able to bypass the language selectino, and select an accessibility profile, > > Luke > > From cdlegg at iinet.net.au Fri Aug 13 08:04:07 2010 From: cdlegg at iinet.net.au (Chris Legg) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:04:07 +0800 Subject: Automated installation Message-ID: <4C64FC77.5090508@iinet.net.au> I found this articled about automatic installations of Ubuntu, that might be of use to those who cannot access the GUI installer. Let me know how you go! http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/tutorials/unattended-ubuntu-installations/ Chris From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Fri Aug 13 12:13:08 2010 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:13:08 +0100 Subject: Automated installation In-Reply-To: <4C64FC77.5090508@iinet.net.au> References: <4C64FC77.5090508@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4C6536D4.4010106@ukonline.co.uk> Hi Chris, Thanks for the link. It doesn't really offer a solution to our problem though as it offers no way of specifying accessibility options. It just lets you avoid the questions asked by Ubiquity but Ubiquity isn't the problem. getting to a point where Orca is up and running and the blind user can start Ubiquity is the problem. Cheers. Paul On 13/08/10 09:04, Chris Legg wrote: > I found this articled about automatic installations of Ubuntu, that > might be of use to those who cannot access the GUI installer. Let me > know how you go! > > http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/tutorials/unattended-ubuntu-installations/ > > > Chris > > From info at disbrows.us Fri Aug 13 14:33:40 2010 From: info at disbrows.us (Stephen S. Disbrow) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:33:40 -0500 Subject: Festival in 10.4 ubuntu References: Message-ID: <1326E89D5A10430BAA1FBA3228DB14F0@disbrow> Hi, I installed festival tts in ubuntu 10.4, but when I try to test it by doing echo "\"hello world\"" | festival -tts I get no errors, but I don't hear any sound what might I need to to do to make it work?. I also installed a bunch of recommended packages such as nas, and audiooss, but I removed them alThanks Steve From weavermicha at googlemail.com Fri Aug 13 19:23:20 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (Michael Weaver) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:23:20 +0100 Subject: applications freezing in lucid Message-ID: <1281727400.1612.0.camel@michael-desktop> I have mentioned this on the Orca list but not sure if this is an Orca or a Ubuntu problem but I seem to hav3e this problem where after a certain length of time, applications freeze in Lucid and I don't think it has anything to do with having to type a password because the screensaver has come on and I am asked for my password to unlock the screen. What seems to happen is that either applications refuse to either launch or if they are launching which I think they possibly might be sometimes is that Orca doesn't read them like it isn't focusing on the app I am trying to use. I am guessing that they may be launching because sometimes if I press ALT plus F4 I get back to the application which may be running at the time or it will go to the desktop. I thought this application freezing problem might have had something to do with how i installed Lucid or even an old disk which wasn't installing properly but I have done a fresh install with the same CD and even tried burning a fresh one and doing another install only I am having this same strange problem. Has anyone else noticed this problem? I also thought it might have had something to do with installing certain software such as Extra pluggins only it does this thing without such software being installed. This is a problem which even sometimes causes me to have to something as drastic as pressing and holding the power button of my computers as CTRL ALT delete doesn't appear to work these days. It is a problem which I wonder if anyone else has noticed. If it is a serious problem I have found unfortunately I don't have the technical knowhow to be able to file a bug on it, create a report or whatever on the thing. This problem may for example happen when using Transmission when it has been left for a while and you try to for example open Evolution but this even happens with single apps when you have left the PC for a while and sometimes it acts like it loggs out and it wants your username and password again and sometimes entering these details unfreezes the PCs and sometimes it doesn't so it seems to me to be a strange problem. From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Aug 14 02:28:06 2010 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (Mike Coulombe) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:28:06 -0700 Subject: speakup in mavric Message-ID: <4C65FF36.6070801@verizon.net> Hi, I configured speakup source in mavric, but I forgot the module setting. Is it speakup soft. or speakup-soft. Mike. From j.orcauser at googlemail.com Sat Aug 14 08:27:58 2010 From: j.orcauser at googlemail.com (Jon) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:27:58 +0100 Subject: applications freezing in lucid In-Reply-To: <1281727400.1612.0.camel@michael-desktop> References: <1281727400.1612.0.camel@michael-desktop> Message-ID: <20100814082758.GA13473@mars.uk.to> Do you still get the problem if you disable the screensaver? On Fri 13/08/2010 at 20:23:20, Michael Weaver wrote: > I have mentioned this on the Orca list but not sure if this is an Orca > or a Ubuntu problem but I seem to hav3e this problem where after a > certain length of time, applications freeze in Lucid and I don't think > it has anything to do with having to type a password because the > screensaver has come on and I am asked for my password to unlock the > screen. > What seems to happen is that either applications refuse to either launch > or if they are launching which I think they possibly might be sometimes > is that Orca doesn't read them like it isn't focusing on the app I am > trying to use. > I am guessing that they may be launching because sometimes if I press > ALT plus F4 I get back to the application which may be running at the > time or it will go to the desktop. > I thought this application freezing problem might have had something to > do with how i installed Lucid or even an old disk which wasn't > installing properly but I have done a fresh install with the same CD and > even tried burning a fresh one and doing another install only I am > having this same strange problem. > Has anyone else noticed this problem? > I also thought it might have had something to do with installing certain > software such as Extra pluggins only it does this thing without such > software being installed. > This is a problem which even sometimes causes me to have to something as > drastic as pressing and holding the power button of my computers as CTRL > ALT delete doesn't appear to work these days. > It is a problem which I wonder if anyone else has noticed. > If it is a serious problem I have found unfortunately I don't have the > technical knowhow to be able to file a bug on it, create a report or > whatever on the thing. > This problem may for example happen when using Transmission when it has > been left for a while and you try to for example open Evolution but this > even happens with single apps when you have left the PC for a while and > sometimes it acts like it loggs out and it wants your username and > password again and sometimes entering these details unfreezes the PCs > and sometimes it doesn't so it seems to me to be a strange problem. > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kinouchou at gmail.com Sat Aug 14 13:40:19 2010 From: kinouchou at gmail.com (kinouchou) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:40:19 +0200 Subject: Meetings In-Reply-To: <20100812230126.GD4419@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <20100812230126.GD4419@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: it's ok for me kinouchou 2010/8/13 Luke Yelavich > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:48:57AM EST, Penelope Stowe wrote: > > I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but > > the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630 > > > > Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC. > > > > If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings > > be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC. > > This works for me. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mk.seventhson at gmail.com Sat Aug 14 20:37:19 2010 From: mk.seventhson at gmail.com (mk360) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:37:19 -0400 Subject: speech dispatcher as system service on ubuntu maverick Message-ID: <4C66FE7F.3060500@gmail.com> Hi, Apparently in maverick the mode for set pulse to work as a system was changed, and becouse of that I can't configure spd to work as a system service (well, spd is configured, but it doesn't speak in the console or speaks when I start gnome) so how can I set pulse and configure spd?. Please, it is important becouse maverick is alfa so orca or gnome, or etc are unstable, and I need the console to work/restore the system... Regards, mk. From michaelrcross66 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 14 21:24:27 2010 From: michaelrcross66 at austin.rr.com (Michael Cross) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:24:27 -0500 Subject: Question about Kernels Message-ID: <5B43C7175A9948CCBFE437CD723C067D@winterkid> I recently got Vinux 3 installed on Ubuntu 10. After making some adjustments such as disabling screen savers and setting sleep and hybrid modes to "never", everything seems to be working well. I am worried about Ubuntu updates. I do not know how disruptive they are to accessibility. Is there a way to put a lock on the kernel you currently have? I want to avoid being updated to a more aggressive, less stable kernel. I do not want to be constantly recovering from problems caused by updates. Please recommend a conservative update strategy. For instance, how do I disable automatic updates? I would prefer to be notified that updates are available, but not be forced to install them until I am ready. Any advice will be much appreciated. Michael Cross From j.orcauser at googlemail.com Sun Aug 15 00:04:26 2010 From: j.orcauser at googlemail.com (Jon) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 01:04:26 +0100 Subject: Question about Kernels In-Reply-To: <5B43C7175A9948CCBFE437CD723C067D@winterkid> References: <5B43C7175A9948CCBFE437CD723C067D@winterkid> Message-ID: <20100815000426.GA28103@mars.uk.to> As far as i know, no updates are performed without your explicit agreement, so you should not have any issues there. Maybe vinux has changed the default and turned on critical updates, but thats probably better answered by the vinux people. Hope this helps. -Jon On Sxat 14/08/2010 at 16:24:27, Michael Cross wrote: > I recently got Vinux 3 installed on Ubuntu 10. After making some > adjustments such as disabling screen savers and setting sleep and hybrid > modes to "never", everything seems to be working well. I am worried > about Ubuntu updates. I do not know how disruptive they are to > accessibility. Is there a way to put a lock on the kernel you currently > have? I want to avoid being updated to a more aggressive, less stable > kernel. I do not want to be constantly recovering from problems caused > by updates. > Please recommend a conservative update strategy. For instance, how do I > disable automatic updates? I would prefer to be notified that updates > are available, but not be forced to install them until I am ready. > Any advice will be much appreciated. > > Michael Cross > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From manselton at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 08:41:33 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:41:33 +0100 Subject: Festival in 10.4 ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <1326E89D5A10430BAA1FBA3228DB14F0@disbrow> Message-ID: Steve, Sorry I didn't notice that I'd replied to you personally instead of to the list. And I'm even more sorry that I'm now stumped as to what the answer might be. For sound output I have Altec Lansing speakers. The volume has to be physically turned up on a knob but usually I use a head set to avoid disturbing my wife. The headset has to be selected in System - Preferences - Sound - Output and the volume set. I installed festival and ran a --tts command and yet it played through the speakers. I presume this means that it bypasses the pulse audio system. It is a shot in the dark but have you tried running the command $ sudo restorespeech ? I'm trying to attach the script here. It comes with Vinux 3 but I don't think it is part of the normal Ubuntu 10.04. Put a copy in /usr/bin/ and chmod 0766 to use it. Parts of the script call programs requiring root privileges to run. However, as you already have sound a root then it may not work. Good Luck Maurice On 14 August 2010 23:26, Stephen S. Disbrow wrote: > Maurice, >   I did use --tts. Also I forgot to note that if I run this as my user steve > I do get an error on /dev/dsp which is something like no perms. I tried it > as root, and didn't get this error, but still no sound. I also changed > /dev/dsp to 666 and than no error as steve, but still no sound. > Thanks, > > Steve D. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice McCarthy" > To: "Stephen S. Disbrow" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:39 AM > Subject: Re: Festival in 10.4 ubuntu > > > Steve > > The last argument should be --tts > That is a double dash and not a single one. > > Best Wishes > Maurice > > On 13 August 2010 15:33, Stephen S. Disbrow wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I installed festival tts in ubuntu 10.4, but when I try to test it by >> doing echo "\"hello world\"" | festival -tts I get no errors, but I don't >> hear any sound what might I need to to do to make it work?. >> >> I also installed a bunch of recommended packages such as nas, and >> audiooss, >> but I removed them alThanks >> >> Steve >> > > > -- Best Wishes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: restorespeech Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2515 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michaelrcross66 at austin.rr.com Sun Aug 15 18:43:51 2010 From: michaelrcross66 at austin.rr.com (Michael Cross) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:43:51 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 57, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <54B046BDD97B4D6797F12486EBF9B6B0@winterkid> John answered my general concerns about updates starting without notifying you. I rrealize, looking back, that my original question was too vague. I suspect the answer to it is "no", but let me rephrase the question. Is it possible to limit the scope of updates such that updates can occur as long as they do not cause kernel 2.x to be replaced by kernel 2.(x+1)? Obviously, if I can refuse all updates, I avoid the kernel being promoted. This is what I had in mind by putting a lock on the kernel. I think such a lock or scoping limit on updates could be useful, but I am always ready to be enlightened. Michael Cross -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 6:00 AM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 57, Issue 14 Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-accessibility-owner at lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Meetings (kinouchou) 2. speech dispatcher as system service on ubuntu maverick (mk360) 3. Question about Kernels (Michael Cross) 4. Re: Question about Kernels (Jon) 5. Re: Festival in 10.4 ubuntu (Maurice McCarthy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:40:19 +0200 From: kinouchou Subject: Re: Meetings To: Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" it's ok for me kinouchou 2010/8/13 Luke Yelavich > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:48:57AM EST, Penelope Stowe wrote: > > I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, > > but the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630 > > > > Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC. > > > > If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that > > meetings be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC. > > This works for me. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, mk. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:24:27 -0500 From: "Michael Cross" Subject: Question about Kernels To: Message-ID: <5B43C7175A9948CCBFE437CD723C067D at winterkid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recently got Vinux 3 installed on Ubuntu 10. After making some adjustments such as disabling screen savers and setting sleep and hybrid modes to "never", everything seems to be working well. I am worried about Ubuntu updates. I do not know how disruptive they are to accessibility. Is there a way to put a lock on the kernel you currently have? I want to avoid being updated to a more aggressive, less stable kernel. I do not want to be constantly recovering from problems caused by updates. Please recommend a conservative update strategy. For instance, how do I disable automatic updates? I would prefer to be notified that updates are available, but not be forced to install them until I am ready. Any advice will be much appreciated. Michael Cross ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 01:04:26 +0100 From: Jon Subject: Re: Question about Kernels To: Michael Cross Cc: Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <20100815000426.GA28103 at mars.uk.to> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As far as i know, no updates are performed without your explicit agreement, so you should not have any issues there. Maybe vinux has changed the default and turned on critical updates, but thats probably better answered by the vinux people. Hope this helps. -Jon On Sxat 14/08/2010 at 16:24:27, Michael Cross wrote: > I recently got Vinux 3 installed on Ubuntu 10. After making some > adjustments such as disabling screen savers and setting sleep and > hybrid modes to "never", everything seems to be working well. I am > worried about Ubuntu updates. I do not know how disruptive they are to > accessibility. Is there a way to put a lock on the kernel you > currently have? I want to avoid being updated to a more aggressive, > less stable kernel. I do not want to be constantly recovering from > problems caused by updates. Please recommend a conservative update > strategy. For instance, how do I disable automatic updates? I would > prefer to be notified that updates are available, but not be forced to > install them until I am ready. Any advice will be much appreciated. > > Michael Cross > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:41:33 +0100 From: Maurice McCarthy Subject: Re: Festival in 10.4 ubuntu To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve, Sorry I didn't notice that I'd replied to you personally instead of to the list. And I'm even more sorry that I'm now stumped as to what the answer might be. For sound output I have Altec Lansing speakers. The volume has to be physically turned up on a knob but usually I use a head set to avoid disturbing my wife. The headset has to be selected in System - Preferences - Sound - Output and the volume set. I installed festival and ran a --tts command and yet it played through the speakers. I presume this means that it bypasses the pulse audio system. It is a shot in the dark but have you tried running the command $ sudo restorespeech ? I'm trying to attach the script here. It comes with Vinux 3 but I don't think it is part of the normal Ubuntu 10.04. Put a copy in /usr/bin/ and chmod 0766 to use it. Parts of the script call programs requiring root privileges to run. However, as you already have sound a root then it may not work. Good Luck Maurice On 14 August 2010 23:26, Stephen S. Disbrow wrote: > Maurice, > ? I did use --tts. Also I forgot to note that if I run this as my user steve > I do get an error on /dev/dsp which is something like no perms. I tried it > as root, and didn't get this error, but still no sound. I also changed > /dev/dsp to 666 and than no error as steve, but still no sound. > Thanks, > > Steve D. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice McCarthy" > To: "Stephen S. Disbrow" > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:39 AM > Subject: Re: Festival in 10.4 ubuntu > > > Steve > > The last argument should be --tts > That is a double dash and not a single one. > > Best Wishes > Maurice > > On 13 August 2010 15:33, Stephen S. Disbrow wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I installed festival tts in ubuntu 10.4, but when I try to test it by >> doing echo "\"hello world\"" | festival -tts I get no errors, but I don't >> hear any sound what might I need to to do to make it work?. >> >> I also installed a bunch of recommended packages such as nas, and >> audiooss, >> but I removed them alThanks >> >> Steve >> > > > -- Best Wishes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The main goal of project is to add, correct and configure acessibility resources for people with visual impairment can use Ubuntu since the time of system startup, during installation and, especially, after system being installed. The linuxacessivel.org is distributed in the format of a Live CD that contains all the applications you need – a web browser, aplications for presentations, text editing, spreadsheet, instant messenger and much more. Being that all these applications are already set to better use through the Orca Screen Reader. Check out all these new features on our site: http://www.linuxacessivel.org Be welcome and spread our work. -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Aug 17 16:13:13 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:13:13 +0200 Subject: When releasing 10.04.1 new ISO, anybody known a right date? Message-ID: <4C6AB519.1040302@pickup.hu> Hy, This questions is not ubuntu-accessibility specific problem. Anybody known what happened with 10.04.1 maintained release? In jul, the release date delayed with August 12TH. Now, in Lucid schedule I see august 17TH date. This is right? In launchpad, the 10.04.1 milestones I see following information: "Project: Ubuntu Series: Lucid Version: ubuntu-10.04.1 Code name: None Expected: 2010-08-12 Active: Yes. Drivers can target bugs and blueprints to this milestone." Ofcourse, I known if I installing all updates, my system is updated with 10.04.1 version, but some weeks later I need the actual 10.04.1 official CD ISO files my work. :-):-) Launchpad link with containing august 12TH date: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04.1 Lucid schedule wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule Note: I looked Lucid daily live CD's, and I see following interesting think after I extracted the compressed squashfs file system, because I would like do an actual accessible Lucid version with containing latest updates: In the extracted file system /boot directory not have vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic kernel. This is valid? I mounted verify purpose the compressed squashfs file system with following command: mount casper/filesystem.squashfs mnt -o loop When I list the mnt/boot directory, I not see a kernel in boot directory (vmlinuz-2.6.32*). When I see this, I used the 2010-08-15 daily live CD. This is already fixed? Attila. From spencer.hunley at gmail.com Tue Aug 17 17:37:24 2010 From: spencer.hunley at gmail.com (Spencer Hunley) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:37:24 -0500 Subject: Hello everyone! Message-ID: Greetings, My name is Spencer and I am an avid advocate & self-advocate for those developmental disabilities. Ever since I started using Linux about three to four years ago after growing weary of Windows' high maintenance, I soon discovered the better quality assistive technology and software found in Linux and Ubuntu. Currently I work at a university and am pursuing more affordable assistive technology for all. Regards, Spencer Hunley UMKC Institute for Human Development Youth Leadership Coordinator, ICS spencer.hunley at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Aug 17 20:30:57 2010 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:30:57 -0600 Subject: When releasing 10.04.1 new ISO, anybody known a right date? In-Reply-To: <4C6AB519.1040302@pickup.hu> References: <4C6AB519.1040302@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20100817143057.0481fa09@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:13:13 +0200 Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > This questions is not ubuntu-accessibility specific problem. Anybody > known what happened with 10.04.1 maintained release? > In jul, the release date delayed with August 12TH. Now, in Lucid > schedule I see august 17TH date. This is right? > In launchpad, the 10.04.1 milestones I see following information: > "Project: > Ubuntu > > Series: > Lucid > > Version: > ubuntu-10.04.1 > > Code name: > None > > Expected: > 2010-08-12 > > Active: > Yes. Drivers can target bugs and blueprints to this milestone." > > Ofcourse, I known if I installing all updates, my system is updated with > 10.04.1 version, but some weeks later I need the actual 10.04.1 official > CD ISO files my work. :-):-) > > Launchpad link with containing august 12TH date: > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04.1 > > Lucid schedule wiki page: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule > > Note: > I looked Lucid daily live CD's, and I see following interesting think > after I extracted the compressed squashfs file system, because I would > like do an actual accessible Lucid version with containing latest updates: > In the extracted file system /boot directory not have > vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic kernel. This is valid? I mounted verify > purpose the compressed squashfs file system with following command: > mount casper/filesystem.squashfs mnt -o loop > When I list the mnt/boot directory, I not see a kernel in boot directory > (vmlinuz-2.6.32*). When I see this, I used the 2010-08-15 daily live CD. > This is already fixed? > > Attila. > The actual release date is still 2010-08-17 at this moment. It does look hopeful for a release, if not on the 17th, on the 18th. Due to the Maverick sprint, some testing was delayed. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMavGBAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAG3MH/0mkQOi0xcprZ7SRmRQKnMga N+l9CSmN4/aAxfwWbeq24AT61PRJJlEFtkhr4A4OJsn0eFbi3/7h5GJSKXpQLNfJ llxPmjZwoiWY9WhS9ljgx5PxN4/E0yiCjIcZKFTnNtmrDXYPDJxH2rcKtgwbMZSz V6VuWHMeFsy4qgwd+8ffJQe+gpaMo+OwT3VrUFQN/uKJGWozoEcHxLYFdrj7JSAH RURNRe5VeEXcSIJZVXlHummhdJ3/jSR6v5Dq+jaVl5wtuG1zg9pGJmZJIVoSLFjJ 0U8swrV/7GqjDkLLiX9fmc1aSiYi8+l1hZutKIJyGLF22t6aUxnjsK+BiOGYZmI= =1P3F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phillw at phillw.net Tue Aug 17 20:35:46 2010 From: phillw at phillw.net (Phillip Whiteside) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:35:46 +0100 Subject: Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Spencer, welcome the mailing list. I'm not overly active on it but do keep up with what is discussed. In case you do not know, the accessibilty forum area is at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=145 I also have some personal notes linked from my Wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw#Accessibilty Regards, Phill. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Spencer Hunley wrote: > Greetings, > > My name is Spencer and I am an avid advocate & self-advocate for those > developmental disabilities. Ever since I started using Linux about three to > four years ago after growing weary of Windows' high maintenance, I soon > discovered the better quality assistive technology and software found in > Linux and Ubuntu. > Currently I work at a university and am pursuing more affordable assistive > technology for all. > > Regards, > > Spencer Hunley > UMKC Institute for Human Development > Youth Leadership Coordinator, ICS > spencer.hunley at gmail.com > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From halim.sahin at freenet.de Wed Aug 18 09:23:40 2010 From: halim.sahin at freenet.de (Halim Sahin) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:23:40 +0200 Subject: speech dispatcher as system service on ubuntu maverick In-Reply-To: <4C66FE7F.3060500@gmail.com> References: <4C66FE7F.3060500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100818092340.GA29089@gentoo.local> Hi, Try to place the attached file in ~/.pulse folder of your desktop user. After that reconfigure speech-dispatcher (systemservice) to use alsa. Totaly untested, I am no longer using ubuntu. HTH. Halim -------------- next part -------------- #!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF # # This file is part of PulseAudio. # # PulseAudio is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it # under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as published by # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or # (at your option) any later version. # # PulseAudio is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but # WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU # General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public License # along with PulseAudio; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, # Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA. # This startup script is used only if PulseAudio is started per-user # (i.e. not in system mode) .nofail ### Load something into the sample cache #load-sample-lazy x11-bell /usr/share/sounds/gtk-events/activate.wav #load-sample-lazy pulse-hotplug /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav #load-sample-lazy pulse-coldplug /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav #load-sample-lazy pulse-access /usr/share/sounds/generic.wav .fail ### Automatically restore the volume of streams and devices load-module module-device-restore load-module module-stream-restore load-module module-card-restore ### Automatically augment property information from .desktop files ### stored in /usr/share/application load-module module-augment-properties ### Load audio drivers statically (it's probably better to not load ### these drivers manually, but instead use module-hal-detect -- ### see below -- for doing this automatically) load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix #load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:0,0 #load-module module-oss device="/dev/dsp" sink_name=output #source_name=input #load-module module-oss-mmap device="/dev/dsp" sink_name=output #source_name=input #load-module module-null-sink #load-module module-pipe-sink ### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available #.ifexists module-udev-detect.so #load-module module-udev-detect #.else ### Alternatively use the static hardware detection module (for systems that ### lack udev support) load-module module-detect #.endif ### Automatically load driver modules for Bluetooth hardware .ifexists module-bluetooth-discover.so load-module module-bluetooth-discover .endif ### Load several protocols .ifexists module-esound-protocol-unix.so load-module module-esound-protocol-unix .endif load-module module-native-protocol-unix ### Network access (may be configured with paprefs, so leave this commented ### here if you plan to use paprefs) #load-module module-esound-protocol-tcp #load-module module-native-protocol-tcp load-module module-zeroconf-publish ### Load the RTP reciever module (also configured via paprefs, see above) #load-module module-rtp-recv ### Load the RTP sender module (also configured via paprefs, see above) #load-module module-null-sink sink_name=rtp format=s16be channels=2 rate=44100 description="RTP Multicast Sink" #load-module module-rtp-send source=rtp.monitor ### Load additional modules from GConf settings. This can be configured with the paprefs tool. ### Please keep in mind that the modules configured by paprefs might conflict with manually ### loaded modules. .ifexists module-gconf.so .nofail load-module module-gconf .fail .endif ### Automatically restore the default sink/source when changed by the user during runtime load-module module-default-device-restore ### Automatically move streams to the default sink if the sink they are ### connected to dies, similar for sources load-module module-rescue-streams ### Make sure we always have a sink around, even if it is a null sink. load-module module-always-sink ### Honour intended role device property load-module module-intended-roles ### Automatically suspend sinks/sources that become idle for too long load-module module-suspend-on-idle ### If autoexit on idle is enabled we want to make sure we only quit ### when no local session needs us anymore. load-module module-console-kit ### Enable positioned event sounds load-module module-position-event-sounds ### Cork music streams when a phone stream is active load-module module-cork-music-on-phone # X11 modules should not be started from default.pa so that one daemon # can be shared by multiple sessions. ### Load X11 bell module #load-module module-x11-bell sample=bell-windowing-system ### Register ourselves in the X11 session manager #load-module module-x11-xsmp ### Publish connection data in the X11 root window #.ifexists module-x11-publish.so #.nofail #load-module module-x11-publish #.fail #.endif ### Make some devices default #set-default-sink dmix #set-default-source input From pstowe at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 20:15:43 2010 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:15:43 -0400 Subject: Fwd: 2010/08/19 07:00 UTC a11y weekly meeting In-Reply-To: <1282161747.1707.38.camel@jd-desktop> References: <1282161747.1707.38.camel@jd-desktop> Message-ID: I'm not likely to make it to this meeting, but it's held in #a11y on irc.gnome.org and it would be great if we could have a larger Ubuntu Accessibility team presence with GNOME accessibility. ~Penelope ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joanmarie Diggs Date: Aug 18, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: 2010/08/19 07:00 UTC a11y weekly meeting To: gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org Hey all. Just a reminder that tomorrow is our next 07:00 UTC a11y team meeting. As always, last week's minutes [1] include a tentative agenda for the meeting. [2] Feel free to add others. Take care. --joanie [1] http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20100812 [2] http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/20100812#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From pstowe at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 20:19:23 2010 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:19:23 -0400 Subject: Reminder: August 18 meeting at 21:00 UTC Message-ID: Hi, Just a reminder that we have a meeting in #ubuntu-accessibility today at 21:00 UTC (about 40 minutes from now). The agenda can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda Thanks! Penelope From manselton at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 21:05:24 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:05:24 +0100 Subject: Hello everyone! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Spencer, Welcome to the list. As you can see it is not hugely active but I think it could be. I'm new here too and interested almost by accident. I'm too old to learn very much quickly but I've been using Debian based systems for some 10 years now. I'm not too clever with scripts and configuration. At work on the North Sea oil fields I cannot get to sleep in spite of a very active 3 days so I thought I'd do something constructive. Brian Cox has done some truly stirling work putting together the scripts to make Ubuntu more friendly at www.vinux.org.uk As he acknowledges putting a distribution for the visually impaired on a gui-oriented system seems counter-intuitive but he finds the hardware recognition in Ubuntu superior to Debian. I would not have Audacity voice recording working but for Vinux. (I want to put a certain philosophic work into audible which is not available elsewhere.) I'd like to run some thoughts past you. I first started thinking about accessibility issues when I chanced across the grml distro. http://grml.org It is a system administrators distro packed with documentation and text tools. Heavily text biased it has clear advantages for the blind wanting to understand computers better because of the text to speech tools. Grml is maintained by Austrian students in Vienna and though they made a policy decision early on to support accessibility there is no one who especially tends this side of the project. Never the less it has occurred to me that some of their work might be hackable into Ubuntu and Vinux. Secondly, particularly for the blind, Emacs has always seemed full of potential to me in combination with Festival. Emacs does not work like other environments and can seem daunting if you are used to windows ways but I feel it could be so useful. Everything can be done in emacs as it forms a desktop of its own - though I am a rudimentary practioner in it. It would be almost identical in a gui or a braille terminal, I think, and therefore transportable across all linux distros (And at least partly into Windows as gnu emacs for windows can be downloaded from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/emacs-22.3-bin-i386.zip ) Obviously I learnt this from grml. They have it set up that in Emacs the command: Say "some region of text" does exactly that. I understand from some of the blind users on grml that the biggest obstacle is the gui - probably because the most common use is browsing and so many interesting sites are http and full of visual crud. Well I'll try to get to sleep again now. Best Wishes Maurice - - - - - - - - - - - Spencer wrote: Greetings, My name is Spencer and I am an avid advocate & self-advocate for those developmental disabilities. Ever since I started using Linux about three to four years ago after growing weary of Windows' high maintenance, I soon discovered the better quality assistive technology and software found in Linux and Ubuntu. Currently I work at a university and am pursuing more affordable assistive technology for all. From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Thu Aug 19 21:46:00 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:46:00 +0100 Subject: Persona Survey results Message-ID: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> The results of the survey are now in, we had a fantastic response and we have 26 really great detailed replies. The next step is to group these roughly by impairment then use the replies as an inspiration to write up descriptions of realistic but fictional characters that can be used by developers and user experience designers to ensure that Ubuntu is built for these characters. For a bit of background on design personas in general and how they are used here is a description of how IBM use them http://www-01.ibm.com/software/ucd/gallery/software.html Canonical have a set of personas already, one of them has a visual impairment, we want to build a small set of personas with a range of accessibility needs and write them up to the same standard of quality as the existing Canonical documents so they can be fed into the design team. If you would like to help in the process of getting from survey responses to personas then please email myself or Penelope Stowe and we will send you a copy of the spreadsheet with all the responses and just names and email addresses removed. We decided at the meeting last night that we would share the spreadsheet with anyone on the list who asks for it, but we won't publish it on the internet or post it to the list in it's raw form. Alan. From manselton at gmail.com Sat Aug 21 10:59:48 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 11:59:48 +0100 Subject: Persona Survey results In-Reply-To: <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> References: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: Hi All, I read the survey last night and it makes interesting reading. A few people mentioned Dragonsoft programs such as Naturally Speaking and Dictate. Forgive me if I am wrong but earlier this year I was looking at these sort of programs. Naturally Speaking has not undergone any development for over 2 years and is now half price in Amazon. When I also discovered that voice recognition is vastly improved in Windows 7 I leapt to the conclusion that Microsoft have bought Dragonsoft and incorporated their product into Windows. I may be wrong but this sort of thing has happened often - Roxio cd burner, Visio CAD and Winternals to name the obvious ones. Against my better nature I bought a copy of Win7 to see for myself and found nothing as good as this in Linux. -- Best Wishes Maurice From esj at harvee.org Sat Aug 21 13:33:22 2010 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:33:22 -0400 Subject: Persona Survey results In-Reply-To: References: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: <4C6FD5A2.7030608@harvee.org> On 8/21/2010 6:59 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Hi All, > > I read the survey last night and it makes interesting reading. > > A few people mentioned Dragonsoft programs such as Naturally Speaking > and Dictate. Forgive me if I am wrong but earlier this year I was > looking at these sort of programs. > > Naturally Speaking has not undergone any development for over 2 years > and is now half price in Amazon. When I also discovered that voice > recognition is vastly improved in Windows 7 I leapt to the conclusion > that Microsoft have bought Dragonsoft and incorporated their product > into Windows. I may be wrong but this sort of thing has happened often > - Roxio cd burner, Visio CAD and Winternals to name the obvious ones. NaturallySpeaking version 11 was just released. It has been improved but not in the ways that matters. It has a bunch of gui "improvements", some speed and accuracy improvements. I can't find out if they've improved the number of a that controls it works with. I can almost guarantee you it does not work with any of the open source edit controls such as gtk+ or wxwindows. On the other hand, there's been a lot of activity in the wine community and I would not be surprised if this was the year we had a working solution. Windows speech recognition is completely separate from nuance. I've been told it's on par with NaturallySpeaking 10.1. Unfortunately, Microsoft is even less responsive to the needs of the disabled than nuance. Quite a pity. One of the Microsoft developers was hanging out on the voice coder list and helped out significantly with using Microsoft's speech recognition and then he vanished when we started asking questions, hard questions about bug fixes. We call this the "I think I hear my mommy calling" effect. > Against my better nature I bought a copy of Win7 to see for myself and > found nothing as good as this in Linux. Isn't it exhilarating When you find something nice (er) than what you've ever known and horrifying to realize you can never be satisfied with either environment. For example, I've been looking at a bunch of windows IDE's in the vain hope that I will find one that will work with NaturallySpeaking. But in my exposure to these different tools and user interfaces, I've come to find that I like some of them better than Emacs but they still fall short so I find myself stuck between modern Windows gui's and emacs and neither work with speech recognition. Isn't that exquisite? It makes me weep. From esj at harvee.org Sat Aug 21 13:33:39 2010 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:33:39 -0400 Subject: Persona Survey results In-Reply-To: References: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: <4C6FD5B3.5040101@harvee.org> On 8/21/2010 6:59 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Hi All, > > I read the survey last night and it makes interesting reading. > > A few people mentioned Dragonsoft programs such as Naturally Speaking > and Dictate. Forgive me if I am wrong but earlier this year I was > looking at these sort of programs. > > Naturally Speaking has not undergone any development for over 2 years > and is now half price in Amazon. When I also discovered that voice > recognition is vastly improved in Windows 7 I leapt to the conclusion > that Microsoft have bought Dragonsoft and incorporated their product > into Windows. I may be wrong but this sort of thing has happened often > - Roxio cd burner, Visio CAD and Winternals to name the obvious ones. NaturallySpeaking version 11 was just released. It has been improved but not in the ways that matters. It has a bunch of gui "improvements", some speed and accuracy improvements. I can't find out if they've improved the number of a that controls it works with. I can almost guarantee you it does not work with any of the open source edit controls such as gtk+ or wxwindows. On the other hand, there's been a lot of activity in the wine community and I would not be surprised if this was the year we had a working solution. Windows speech recognition is completely separate from nuance. I've been told it's on par with NaturallySpeaking 10.1. Unfortunately, Microsoft is even less responsive to the needs of the disabled than nuance. Quite a pity. One of the Microsoft developers was hanging out on the voice coder list and helped out significantly with using Microsoft's speech recognition and then he vanished when we started asking questions, hard questions about bug fixes. We call this the "I think I hear my mommy calling" effect. > Against my better nature I bought a copy of Win7 to see for myself and > found nothing as good as this in Linux. Isn't it exhilarating When you find something nice (er) than what you've ever known and horrifying to realize you can never be satisfied with either environment. For example, I've been looking at a bunch of windows IDE's in the vain hope that I will find one that will work with NaturallySpeaking. But in my exposure to these different tools and user interfaces, I've come to find that I like some of them better than Emacs but they still fall short so I find myself stuck between modern Windows gui's and emacs and neither work with speech recognition. Isn't that exquisite? It makes me weep. From jkenn337 at gmail.com Sat Aug 21 17:55:20 2010 From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:55:20 -0400 Subject: usb headphones question Message-ID: <98702222-F3A2-4EFC-A83C-390477E367ED@gmail.com> Hi In order to use my usb headphones I have to first plug them in, reboot the computer and then they show up in my list of sound choices. I am using ubuntu lucid vinux 3.0. But if I plug them in without rebooting if I use alsamixer alsamixer says they are there but if I go into the ubuntu alt f1 menu into system preferences sounds I cannot choose them. I can only choose them as a sound card option after rebooting. Why is this? Can this be changed? Ubuntu picks up other devices without rebooting so why must I reboot just to use usb headphones? email off list at jkenn337 at gmail.com Josh Kennedy jkenn337 at gmail.com From manselton at gmail.com Sat Aug 21 19:22:49 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:22:49 +0100 Subject: Persona Survey results In-Reply-To: <4C6FD5B3.5040101@harvee.org> References: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6FD5B3.5040101@harvee.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the correction Eric And, yes, it is annoyingly tantalising when these things happen. Thanks for the info about Windows and Nuance, too. On a different topic: 1. I'd be delighted if a sound module could be written for grub2 so that you could hear the menu entries for different booting options. 2. Would it be so diffcult to write a narrator for open office? ods and odt files are zipped xml file collections so for a /simple/ odt file you could chain an xml to text convertor to a text to speech convertor such as festival. This would be difficult in a spreadsheet however as you would easily lose the relation between different cells. -- Best Wishes Maurice On 21/08/2010, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > NaturallySpeaking version 11 was just released. It has been improved but not > in the ways that matters. ... From manselton at gmail.com Sat Aug 21 19:28:21 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:28:21 +0100 Subject: usb headphones question In-Reply-To: <98702222-F3A2-4EFC-A83C-390477E367ED@gmail.com> References: <98702222-F3A2-4EFC-A83C-390477E367ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: Josh Are your headphones not listed in System - preferences - sound? They shoud be if lsusb lists the headset. You ought to be able to select them instead of the onboard sound. As you have vinux then, another try is to plug them in and then in a terminal do $ sudo restoresound Wait a couple of minutes to s ee if the script completes as it calls quite a lot of other programs. Good Luck Maurice On 21/08/2010, Josh Kennedy wrote: > Hi > In order to use my usb headphones I have to first plug them in, reboot the > computer and then they show up in my list of sound choices. I am using > ubuntu lucid vinux 3.0. But if I plug them in without rebooting if I use > alsamixer alsamixer says they are there but if I go into the ubuntu alt f1 > menu into system preferences sounds I cannot choose them. I can only choose > them as a sound card option after rebooting. Why is this? Can this be > changed? Ubuntu picks up other devices without rebooting so why must I > reboot just to use usb headphones? email off list at jkenn337 at gmail.com > > Josh Kennedy > jkenn337 at gmail.com > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Best Wishes From sthibault at debian.org Sun Aug 22 16:43:38 2010 From: sthibault at debian.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:43:38 +0200 Subject: Hardware-based screen magnification Message-ID: <20100822164338.GC29883@const.famille.thibault.fr> Hello, Now that xrandr 1.3 has panning support again, I have written a small documentation on how this can be used for simple hardware-based screen magnification: http://brl.thefreecat.org/wiki/Xorg the advantage over compiz-based magnification being that it's completely hardware-driven (except the mouse tracking), thus CPU-free and smooth. Concerning Orca, that could be an option that users might prefer on sluggish machines. Concerning Gnome, the shortcut to cycle modes might be a useful addition. Integrating panning configuration in a nice gui tool would probably be useful too. Samuel From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Aug 23 10:07:20 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:07:20 +0200 Subject: Have you got any ydea why not working right Maverick specific Espeak 1.44.03 package under Lucid? Message-ID: <4C724858.5080407@pickup.hu> Dear List, I would like make Espeak-1.44.03 package and upload my PPA with Lucid series. The problem is following: When I downloading Maverick specific espeak source package, building and installing my Lucid system, Espeak hungarian phoneme is full broken. Short time and short texts I hear a distorted voice and Speech-dispatcher Espeak module is not speaking. If I use original espeak.sourceforge.net awailable espeak-1.44.03-source.zip file, compiling and installing with normal steps, Espeak working fine, hungarian voice is right working, and Speech-dispatcher Espeak module not stop talking very long time. Anybody have any idea why happening this different working method with this two version? Attila From spencer.hunley at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 18:58:19 2010 From: spencer.hunley at gmail.com (Spencer Hunley) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:58:19 -0500 Subject: at Maurice Message-ID: Hey Maurice, Thanks for the useful info - I'm definitely checking it out now. I've been a little busy these past few days - my apologies for not responding sooner. I agree with you on the visual crud when it comes to OSs for the blind; perhaps there is a solution in dumping the gui in favor of full text. Novell's OpenStudio can customize its distro to your liking, and I may give that a try to see if I can get rid of a lot of the visual stuff. I'll keep in touch with my progress between work & school. Regards, Spencer Hunley On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:00 AM, < ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote: > Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-accessibility-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Hello everyone! (Maurice McCarthy) > 2. Persona Survey results (Alan Bell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:05:24 +0100 > From: Maurice McCarthy > Subject: Re: Hello everyone! > To: ubuntu-accessibility > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Spencer, > > Welcome to the list. As you can see it is not hugely active but I > think it could be. > > I'm new here too and interested almost by accident. I'm too old to > learn very much quickly but I've been using Debian based systems for > some 10 years now. I'm not too clever with scripts and configuration. > At work on the North Sea oil fields I cannot get to sleep in spite of > a very active 3 days so I thought I'd do something constructive. > > Brian Cox has done some truly stirling work putting together the > scripts to make Ubuntu more friendly at www.vinux.org.uk As he > acknowledges putting a distribution for the visually impaired on a > gui-oriented system seems counter-intuitive but he finds the hardware > recognition in Ubuntu superior to Debian. I would not have Audacity > voice recording working but for Vinux. (I want to put a certain > philosophic work into audible which is not available elsewhere.) > > I'd like to run some thoughts past you. I first started thinking about > accessibility issues when I chanced across the grml distro. > http://grml.org It is a system administrators distro packed with > documentation and text tools. Heavily text biased it has clear > advantages for the blind wanting to understand computers better > because of the text to speech tools. Grml is maintained by Austrian > students in Vienna and though they made a policy decision early on to > support accessibility there is no one who especially tends this side > of the project. Never the less it has occurred to me that some of > their work might be hackable into Ubuntu and Vinux. > > Secondly, particularly for the blind, Emacs has always seemed full of > potential to me in combination with Festival. Emacs does not work like > other environments and can seem daunting if you are used to windows > ways but I feel it could be so useful. Everything can be done in emacs > as it forms a desktop of its own - though I am a rudimentary > practioner in it. It would be almost identical in a gui or a braille > terminal, I think, and therefore transportable across all linux > distros (And at least partly into Windows as gnu emacs for windows can > be downloaded from > http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/emacs-22.3-bin-i386.zip ) > Obviously I learnt this from grml. They have it set up that in Emacs > the command: Say "some region of text" does exactly that. > > I understand from some of the blind users on grml that the biggest > obstacle is the gui - probably because the most common use is browsing > and so many interesting sites are http and full of visual crud. > > Well I'll try to get to sleep again now. > > Best Wishes > Maurice > > - - - - - - - - - - - > Spencer wrote: > > Greetings, > > My name is Spencer and I am an avid advocate & self-advocate for those > developmental disabilities. Ever since I started using Linux about > three to four years ago after growing weary of Windows' high > maintenance, I soon discovered the better quality assistive technology > and software found in Linux and Ubuntu. > Currently I work at a university and am pursuing more affordable > assistive technology for all. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:46:00 +0100 > From: Alan Bell > Subject: Persona Survey results > To: ubuntu-accessibility > Message-ID: <4C6DA618.5050902 at theopenlearningcentre.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The results of the survey are now in, we had a fantastic response and we > have 26 really great detailed replies. The next step is to group these > roughly by impairment then use the replies as an inspiration to write up > descriptions of realistic but fictional characters that can be used by > developers and user experience designers to ensure that Ubuntu is built > for these characters. > > For a bit of background on design personas in general and how they are > used here is a description of how IBM use them > http://www-01.ibm.com/software/ucd/gallery/software.html > > Canonical have a set of personas already, one of them has a visual > impairment, we want to build a small set of personas with a range of > accessibility needs and write them up to the same standard of quality as > the existing Canonical documents so they can be fed into the design team. > > If you would like to help in the process of getting from survey > responses to personas then please email myself or Penelope Stowe and we > will send you a copy of the spreadsheet with all the responses and just > names and email addresses removed. We decided at the meeting last night > that we would share the spreadsheet with anyone on the list who asks for > it, but we won't publish it on the internet or post it to the list in > it's raw form. > > Alan. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > End of Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 57, Issue 18 > **************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Aug 24 06:05:55 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:05:55 +0200 Subject: Have you got any ydea why not working right Maverick specific Espeak 1.44.03 package under Lucid? In-Reply-To: <4C724858.5080407@pickup.hu> References: <4C724858.5080407@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4C736143.40201@pickup.hu> Dear List, I found possible some useful information why not working the Espeak package right if I using hungarian voice under Lucid and unfortunately Maverick: When I compiled the Espeak package with my Lucid system, following file have binary difference: espeak-data/phondata When I run following command with package source tree after compiling, diff shows binary difference with this file: diff espeak-data/phondata debian/espeak-data/usr/share/espeak-data/phondata Why happening this? This is not good I think. This day morning I downloaded current Maverick dayly live CD and test how works Espeak with original Maverick environment, my test result is not good: When I using Orca with english woice, I not see any problem. But when I switch person with hungarian voice, I see all prewious described problems, so this problem is not only Lucid specific unfortunately. I maked two simple wave file with shows the voice wrong working difference. I using following native Espeak command when I record this two voice file in gnome-terminal: espeak -v en "Hello! This is a test. I hope this text spokening is good." -w text-en.wav espeak -v hu "Hello! This is a test. I hope this text spokening is good." -w text-hun.wav If you try run in Maverick live cd with gnome-terminal the espeak -v hu "Hello! This is a test. I hope this text spokening is good." command, you hear the bad voice result. Unfortunately the two recorded wave file is too big with list rule, so I impossible to send this two wave file, but this problem is always reproducable. I verify original espeak.sourceforge.net website awailable stable version this test, all test are passed, all voice text spokening is good both two languages. Attila From manselton at gmail.com Tue Aug 24 06:29:23 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:29:23 +0100 Subject: at Maurice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Spencer Up to the eyeballs just now, also. Good Luck Maurice -- Best Wishes From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Aug 24 08:41:05 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:41:05 +0200 Subject: Have you got any ydea why not working right Maverick specific Espeak 1.44.03 package under Lucid? In-Reply-To: <4C736143.40201@pickup.hu> References: <4C724858.5080407@pickup.hu> <4C736143.40201@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4C7385A1.6040006@pickup.hu> Dear List, I reported my described hungarian language phoneme problem with Espeak-1.44.03 package, the link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/623221 If not a big request, anybodi give this bugreport a confirmed status? Attila From manselton at gmail.com Tue Aug 24 16:37:52 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:37:52 +0100 Subject: Fwd: is anyone using the gnome media player In-Reply-To: <4C73F17E.9030708@gmail.com> References: <4C73F17E.9030708@gmail.com> Message-ID: Burt I'll have to find time to have a think but meanwhile I'll forward your message to the list. Best Wishes Maurice ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Burt Henry Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:21:18 -0500 Subject: is anyone using the gnome media player To: Maurice McCarthy I am a new Linux user. I installed the Vinux Flavor of Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid about 5 weeks ago, and am still sorting out my core programs for some tasks, and would like advice from other blind users as to best choices for media players. I do not want to have 5 or 6 players installed like I do in windows, but would like to have 2 or three that can take care of all of my audio/video needs. I have heard a bit about a gnome media player that is actually a front end for some other players including VLC. I have been mostly using the movie-player that came with the Vinux distro, and for podcasts rhythm box...also I down-loaded the streamtuner package that came with the audacious player. I do not know if this is normal but I could not get audacious to fast forward or "jump to" anything..no matter how many seconds or minutes I put in the edit field it always just started from the beginning of the audio file. I do not generally use many play-lists and do listen to a good bit of streaming audio. I'd like easy access to fast forward/rewind controls in some form-and the ability to rip from those streams with out much setup...(I hear something I may want to record and just do it; maybe rewinding if it's possible to go back using buffered bits, and a couple or three keystrokes and I am recording till I choose to stop), maybe I am missing something with rhythmbox, but I have not found how to see what if any podcast is actually being down-loaded except by checking in the folder to see if a new file has shown-up. That's more or less the wish-list, so any recommendations on what media player to try, or how to better take advantage of what I have would be greatly appreciated. I have no experience with console media players, but would be willing to try if someone gives me a good reason to try one and or a couple of tips on how to get started with it. Thanks in advance for any ideas. B.H. On 08/24/2010 01:29 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Thanks Spencer > > Up to the eyeballs just now, also. > > Good Luck > Maurice > > > > -- *the above was probably written by- Burt Henry Contact Info: *email, GTalk&AIM- (burt1iband at gmail.com) *Follow Me on Twitter- @BurtHenry *and I’m on Facebook* -- Best Wishes From manselton at gmail.com Fri Aug 27 01:50:55 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:50:55 +0100 Subject: Fwd: is anyone using the gnome media player In-Reply-To: <4C742CEA.3060609@gmail.com> References: <4C73F17E.9030708@gmail.com> <4C742CEA.3060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Burt Sorry for the slow reply. The mail headers of your original post show that it was only sent to me personally. This is probably gmail's fault. The recent improvements made by Google caused Quick Reply to default replies to the individual rather than the list - at least in basic html mode. This now seems to be corrected where I am anyhow. Perhaps it has learnt when I kept changing the reply option. Your original post was probably referring to gnome-mplayer. From http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gnome-mplayer "You can play all your multimedia (audio, video, CD, DVDs, and VCDs, streams etc. with full DVD and MKV chapter support), organize, sort and create playlists, take screenshots while playing videos, be notified about media changes, retrieve cover art and more. Gnome-MPlayer fully supports subtitles giving the ability to specify preferred audio and subtitle languages." I have rarely used this program, which has a good reputation, but rather VLC. So I cannot really comment except to say that VLC is separate altogether. Mplayer started life as a movie player for unix-like systems launced from a console but I would expect that the X window system would have to be running. The gnome prefix is because the software writers gnome tool kit or GTK has been used to make the GUI. Mplayer supports a wide range of software and hardware video systems including X. The only console audio player I can think of from the top of my head is cplay. Quote "cplay provides a user-friendly interface to play various types of sound files. It offers a simple file list with which you can navigate around looking for audio files and a playlist to which you can add the files you want to play. cplay can play the songs in your playlist in repeat or random mode, and offers the option to store the playlist. Currently, the following audio formats are supported: MP3 (through madplay, mpg321 or splay), Ogg Vorbis (through ogg123), MOD and other module formats (through mikmod or xmp), WAV (through sox) and Speex (through speex)." Unquote Sorry to say I've never used this either. This is not a lot of help but my laptop at work is too low powered to support my Vinux DVD so it is difficult for me to investigate. Regards Maurice On 24/08/2010, Burt Henry wrote: > Sorry if this went directly to you, maybe I some how hit reply to > all instead of the normal reply option, but do not know how, and do not > know how I'd have received your message if it were not from the > list...check and see if it did not go to the list as well..I'll check > here as well, but sometimes things are deleted (by me of course) before > they should be lol. > Burt > > > On 08/24/2010 11:37 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: >> Burt >> >> I'll have to find time to have a think but meanwhile I'll forward your >> message to the list. >> >> Best Wishes >> Maurice >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Burt Henry >> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:21:18 -0500 >> Subject: is anyone using the gnome media player >> To: Maurice McCarthy >> >> I am a new Linux user. I installed the Vinux Flavor of Ubuntu 10.04 >> Lucid about 5 weeks ago, and am still sorting out my core programs for >> some tasks, and would like advice from other blind users as to best >> choices for media players. I do not want to have 5 or 6 players >> installed like I do in windows, but would like to have 2 or three that >> can take care of all of my audio/video needs. I have heard a bit about a >> gnome media player that is actually a front end for some other players >> including VLC. I have been mostly using the movie-player that came with >> the Vinux distro, and for podcasts rhythm box...also I down-loaded the >> streamtuner package that came with the audacious player. I do not know >> if this is normal but I could not get audacious to fast forward or "jump >> to" anything..no matter how many seconds or minutes I put in the edit >> field it always just started from the beginning of the audio file. >> I do not generally use many play-lists and do listen to a good bit of >> streaming audio. I'd like easy access to fast forward/rewind controls in >> some form-and the ability to rip from those streams with out much >> setup...(I hear something I may want to record and just do it; maybe >> rewinding if it's possible to go back using buffered bits, and a couple >> or three keystrokes and I am recording till I choose to stop), maybe I >> am missing something with rhythmbox, but I have not found how to see >> what if any podcast is actually being down-loaded except by checking in >> the folder to see if a new file has shown-up. >> That's more or less the wish-list, so any recommendations on what media >> player to try, or how to better take advantage of what I have would be >> greatly appreciated. I have no experience with console media players, >> but would be willing to try if someone gives me a good reason to try one >> and or a couple of tips on how to get started with it. >> Thanks in advance for any ideas. >> B.H. >> >> >> On 08/24/2010 01:29 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: >> >>> Thanks Spencer >>> >>> Up to the eyeballs just now, also. >>> >>> Good Luck >>> Maurice >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > *the above was probably written by- > Burt Henry > Contact Info: *email, GTalk&AIM- > (burt1iband at gmail.com) > *Follow Me on Twitter- > @BurtHenry > *and I’m on Facebook* > > -- Best Wishes From manselton at gmail.com Fri Aug 27 06:30:52 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:30:52 +0100 Subject: is anyone using the gnome media player In-Reply-To: <4C772874.4030506@gmail.com> References: <4C73F17E.9030708@gmail.com> <4C742CEA.3060609@gmail.com> <4C772874.4030506@gmail.com> Message-ID: Burt It has just occurred to me that you may have to do $ sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras to get the codecs to play a DVD with VLC. It also includes things like the installer for the acrobat reader, flash and several codecs. The reason this is not installed by default is legal. The codec converters are illegal in some countries so it is up to the individual to make sure that the package is ok for them. Acroread can be used as a work-around to get a narration from an open office text document. There is no text to speech in Open Office yet so you export the file to pdf and use the acrobat narration. Alternatively $ sudo aptitude install libdvdcss2 will play many DVDs. Best Wishes Maurice From manselton at gmail.com Sat Aug 28 04:14:11 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 05:14:11 +0100 Subject: is anyone using the gnome media player In-Reply-To: <4C77E897.8000903@gmail.com> References: <4C73F17E.9030708@gmail.com> <4C742CEA.3060609@gmail.com> <4C772874.4030506@gmail.com> <4C77E897.8000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Burt VLC was originated by French students in Paris and the name of its home page www.videolan.org strongly suggests to me that it should facilitate the recording of streams. So I looked it up ... I can only suggest browsing http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Streaming_HowTo VLC is supposed to have podcast support also. Again I have never used this feature so I cannot help I'm afraid. Good Luck Maurice On 27/08/2010, Burt Henry wrote: > thank you for the info/I installed the "easy installcodecs" script > included with > Vinous...I am so looking for other solutions for .pdf reading to avoid > the bloated Adobe option, but may break-down and use this if the > conversion program does not deal with multi-column formats and such... > sudo apt-get install geditpdf > This is cmd line only, but I am going to try and install a way to click > on a context menu option to convert in the nautilus file manager. > Also accessibility is supposed to be close to resolved in the .pdf > viewer included in Vinux/ think Ubuntu as well. > I have been using the gnome player since last night, and although it > does crash under some conditions, I find it the best interface of the > Linux GUI players I've tried...did you say you used VLC? > Does this let you record streaming audio? > I got an ap called streamtuner that defaults to use audacious player, > but I think may work with other media players, and can rip from streams.) > How podcast retrieving software, any suggestions? > Thanks. > On 08/27/2010 01:30 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: >> Burt >> >> It has just occurred to me that you may have to do >> >> $ sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras >> >> to get the codecs to play a DVD with VLC. It also includes things like >> the installer for the acrobat reader, flash and several codecs. The >> reason this is not installed by default is legal. The codec converters >> are illegal in some countries so it is up to the individual to make >> sure that the package is ok for them. Acroread can be used as a >> work-around to get a narration from an open office text document. >> >> There is no text to speech in Open Office yet so you export the file >> to pdf and use the acrobat narration. >> >> Alternatively >> >> $ sudo aptitude install libdvdcss2 >> >> will play many DVDs. >> >> Best Wishes >> Maurice >> >> > > -- > *the above was probably written by- > Burt Henry > Contact Info: *email, GTalk&AIM- > (burt1iband at gmail.com) > *Follow Me on Twitter- > @BurtHenry > *and I’m on Facebook* > > -- Best Wishes From manselton at gmail.com Sat Aug 28 04:34:14 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 05:34:14 +0100 Subject: is anyone using the gnome media player In-Reply-To: References: <4C73F17E.9030708@gmail.com> <4C742CEA.3060609@gmail.com> <4C772874.4030506@gmail.com> <4C77E897.8000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Burt some commands for help in the console $ vlc --help $ vlc --longhelp | less $ vlc --longhelp --advanced | less -- Best Wishes From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Aug 28 09:32:56 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:32:56 +0200 Subject: Have you got any ydea why not working right Maverick specific Espeak 1.44.03 package under Lucid? In-Reply-To: <4C7385A1.6040006@pickup.hu> References: <4C724858.5080407@pickup.hu> <4C736143.40201@pickup.hu> <4C7385A1.6040006@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4C78D7C8.8020508@pickup.hu> Hello Ewerybody, Some days ago I reported following bugreport with Espeak package under Maverick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/623221 Now I attached a patch with solving this hungarian phoneme specific bug my local machine when I compiling Espeak 1.44.03 Maverick specific package, I tested this fix method only with my Lucid system. Possible my patch not using right solving method, but solved this bug for my system, any Espeak package maintainer please verify my fix method is good or not. If my fix method is not good, I absolute agree and please give hint with learning purpose what can I doed wrong. Now Espeak 1.44 hungarian language voice works again correct my system if I would like installing Espeak 1.44 version with packaged version, I used now longer time with this modifyed version without a problem. Before this fix, only original Espeak.sourceforge.net uploaded source possible installing and using Lucid and Maverick if I using hungarian language voice. Thanks, Attila From angelo.marra at libero.it Sun Aug 29 08:44:47 2010 From: angelo.marra at libero.it (angelo) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:44:47 +0200 Subject: AUDIO ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY Message-ID: <4C7A1DFF.9080202@libero.it> hi folks, can you help me on two issues? 1) TTS software and MP3 conversion 2) text dictation I tried FESTIVAL years ago but it was not satisfying for my needs. plus programs like textaloud in win or dspeech have a better interface. Orca was devastating to me :-( I need also Italian TTS for instance, how is the open sapi project going? On dictation, any improvements on the usage of dragon Naturally speaking or alternative products (Italian language as well) is there any way I can contribute to takle those issues? Thanks indeed Angelo From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Aug 30 00:40:51 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:40:51 +1000 Subject: Persona Survey results In-Reply-To: References: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6FD5B3.5040101@harvee.org> Message-ID: <20100830004051.GE2771@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 05:22:49AM EST, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > On a different topic: > > 1. I'd be delighted if a sound module could be written for grub2 so > that you could hear the menu entries for different booting options. Unfortunately, this is a big can of worms, to the point where properly supporting all sound hardware would make grub a ot bigger than it is already, and would require a lot more back end work to try and work with PCI devices via BIOS calls etc. Luke From manselton at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 06:11:06 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:11:06 +0100 Subject: Persona Survey results In-Reply-To: <20100830004051.GE2771@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6FD5B3.5040101@harvee.org> <20100830004051.GE2771@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: Thanks for that. It is a dud then. Maurice On 30 August 2010 01:40, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 05:22:49AM EST, Maurice McCarthy wrote: >> On a different topic: >> >> 1. I'd be delighted if a sound module could be written for grub2 so >> that you could hear the menu entries for different booting options. > > Unfortunately, this is a big can of worms, to the point where properly supporting all sound hardware would make grub a ot bigger than it is already, and would require a lot more back end work to try and work with PCI devices via BIOS calls etc. > > Luke > From esj at harvee.org Mon Aug 30 11:21:59 2010 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:21:59 -0400 Subject: Persona Survey results In-Reply-To: References: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6FD5B3.5040101@harvee.org> <20100830004051.GE2771@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4C7B9457.6020504@harvee.org> On 8/30/2010 2:11 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Thanks for that. It is a dud then. > Maurice Not necessarily. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the accessibility interface belongs on the same machine as the application. It would be possible to put a simple bridge on grub and have it speak to the second machine fully enabled. How you get there is a different story but something like serial port or equivalent might be sufficient. Machine with grub tells remote machine what to say. Remote machine babbles. This is a lot easier than loading up grub with a whole bunch of stuff 99% of the universe doesn't need. A small change is much more likely to be accepted. From manselton at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 15:24:04 2010 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:24:04 +0100 Subject: Persona Survey results In-Reply-To: <4C7B9457.6020504@harvee.org> References: <4C6DA618.5050902@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6E24F2.6080408@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4C6FD5B3.5040101@harvee.org> <20100830004051.GE2771@strigy.yelavich.home> <4C7B9457.6020504@harvee.org> Message-ID: On 30 August 2010 12:21, Eric S. Johansson wrote: >  On 8/30/2010 2:11 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: >> Thanks for that. It is a dud then. >> Maurice > > Not necessarily.  Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the accessibility > interface belongs on the same machine as the application. It would be possible > to put a simple bridge on grub and have it speak to the second machine fully > enabled. How you get there is a different story but something like serial port > or equivalent might be sufficient. > > Machine with grub tells remote machine what to say. Remote machine babbles. This > is a lot easier than loading up grub with a whole bunch of stuff 99% of the > universe doesn't need. A small change is much more likely to be accepted. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Best Wishes From thomaslloyd at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 00:27:02 2010 From: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com (Thomas Lloyd) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:27:02 +0100 Subject: AUDIO ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY (angelo) Message-ID: <1283214422.8418.7.camel@ubuntu-10> Hi Angelo, Sorry I have been ever so lacks at reading the mailing list and have only just seen your reference to my open sapi project. The project has ground to a halt a the moment through lack of time and effort on my part. I am only only one developing on the project and have not seen any intrest from anyone for ages and have kinda let it slip. I would appreciate some help and am willing to help you help out. Just driving the project with some feedback would be useful as i am sitting here developing with no idea what is good or not with what I am doing. If you run though your use case for open sapi then i can begin to make that happen for you. Testing the italian TTS engines is a good start. There is another guy developing an interface for use with open sapi for wav/mp3 generation so there is an option there for you. Tom From angelo.marra at libero.it Tue Aug 31 09:51:38 2010 From: angelo.marra at libero.it (angelo) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:51:38 +0200 Subject: AUDIO ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY (angelo) In-Reply-To: <1283214422.8418.7.camel@ubuntu-10> References: <1283214422.8418.7.camel@ubuntu-10> Message-ID: <4C7CD0AA.3090900@libero.it> Hi Tom, thanks for your email. It is a shame that your project halted :-( (sad emoticon) I did not grasp the meaning of your seecond paragraph, sorry. what do you mean by If you run though your use case for open sapi then i can begin to make that happen for you. Testing the italian TTS engines is a good start. I am not a programmer BUT I'll be happy to help: tell me how! who is the guy developing the GUI? thANKS ANGELO Il 31/08/2010 2.27, Thomas Lloyd ha scritto: > Hi Angelo, > > > Sorry I have been ever so lacks at reading the mailing list and have > only just seen your reference to my open sapi project. The project has > ground to a halt a the moment through lack of time and effort on my > part. I am only only one developing on the project and have not seen any > intrest from anyone for ages and have kinda let it slip. I would > appreciate some help and am willing to help you help out. Just driving > the project with some feedback would be useful as i am sitting here > developing with no idea what is good or not with what I am doing. > > > If you run though your use case for open sapi then i can begin to make > that happen for you. Testing the italian TTS engines is a good start. > There is another guy developing an interface for use with open sapi for > wav/mp3 generation so there is an option there for you. > > Tom > > >