From weavermicha at googlemail.com Mon Mar 1 04:22:46 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:22:46 +0000 Subject: upgrading one version of ubuntu to another Message-ID: <4b8b3fa6.aa15f10a.61cb.7af9@mx.google.com> someone at my linux usergroup or lug once said to me that i don't need to do fresh installs when upgrading from one version of ubuntu to another. if this is so is the most accessiable way for someone totally blind to do it who doesn't have a sighted person around whose family are not linux users is to edit all the entries that beginn with deb in the etcstapsstsourcestddlist and do an apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade? i notice the update-manager is fairly accessible when doing a simple update to get the latest fixes and security etc but once when i tried to use it to do an upgrade someone said my dowload had not started after i did an alt f2 update-manager comd command, hit enter on the upgrade button and typed my admin password. my guess is that there is a dialogue box which comes up with some other button that possibly needs to be tabbed to which needs hitting before the actual upgrade starts and that if you don't locate this button and enter on it, the operating system will not upgrade properly if at all. From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com Mon Mar 1 06:10:48 2010 From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:10:48 -0500 Subject: upgrading one version of ubuntu to another In-Reply-To: <4b8b3fa6.aa15f10a.61cb.7af9@mx.google.com> References: <4b8b3fa6.aa15f10a.61cb.7af9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1267423848.2625.2.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Hi, You can do sudo update-manager -d from the terminal, but I have never had good results from doing it this way. Thee's another command you can use from the big terminal but I don't exactly remember the syntax. It was something like sudo do-release-upgrade. I thik that may be the way to go for a speech enabled upgrade with speakup. HTH Storm -- Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ What color dragon are you? http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 04:22 +0000, michael weaver wrote: > someone at my linux usergroup or lug once said to me that i > don't > need to do fresh installs when upgrading from one version of > ubuntu to another. > if this is so is the most accessiable way for someone totally > blind to do it who doesn't have a sighted person around whose > family are not linux users is to edit all the entries that beginn > with deb in the etcstapsstsourcestddlist and do an apt-get update > followed by apt-get upgrade? > i notice the update-manager is fairly accessible when doing a > simple update to get the latest fixes and security etc but once > when i tried to use it to do an upgrade someone said my dowload > had not started after i did an alt f2 update-manager comd > command, hit enter on the upgrade button and typed my admin > password. my guess is that there is a dialogue box which comes > up with some other button that possibly needs to be tabbed to > which needs hitting before the actual upgrade starts and that if > you don't locate this button and enter on it, the operating > system will not upgrade properly if at all. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 16:06:44 2010 From: tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk (Anthony Sales) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:06:44 +0000 Subject: Lucid and Accessibility options Message-ID: Hi, I have been playing with Lucid Alpha 3 and I have come across a few problems and I don't know whether they are specific to the accessible install or Lucid as a whole. The first issue is that once installed if you press enter to select the user to logon, enter the password and press enter again, metacity crashes and you are taken back to the GDM login screen, the second time it seems to work, and if I use the mouse it works first time. I have checked this many times and it always happens. This is with the accessible login enabled. Secondly although Orca talks through the Ubiquity windows, once the installer is running Orca stops speaking and though I could force it to speak by alt+tabbing (it said "left alt") it never spoke again - so if I was blind I wouldn't know the installation had finished. I don't know if anyone else has had these problems. Luke has done a great job on getting the accessibility to work out of the box, and it certainly makes things a lot easier for the Vinux Project, as now all we have to do is add speakup support and all of the other keybindings and packages we add to the basic Ubuntu distro. drbongo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Tue Mar 2 08:24:25 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:54:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: Improving Gnome Desktop Accessibility Message-ID: <50475.95673.qm@web94816.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, To have a much improved Gnome Desktop accessibility experience for the next 2.29.x release, we need to fix quite a few old bugs. Most of bugs appear to low priority but are very important for people with disabilities. Clock-applet inaccessible (regression) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581351 Notification Area icons are inaccessible https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611562 panel_toplevel_construct_description should provide less technical descriptions https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610000 "Desktop" name is now "x-nautilus-desktop" (regression) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555425 "search:" name instead of "x-nautilus-search" https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610789 Pathbar 'drive' 'previous folder' icon inaccessible https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610809 Switch to notification area shortcut key https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611563 Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 2 08:48:05 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:48:05 +0100 Subject: Improving Gnome Desktop Accessibility In-Reply-To: <50475.95673.qm@web94816.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <50475.95673.qm@web94816.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B8CD0C5.9010607@pickup.hu> Arki, I wroted a comment with "Desktop" name is now "x-nautilus-desktop" (regression)" bugreport (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555425 ) With your attached patch marking translation the new desktop accessible name. If yes, this is fantastic, because oldest time (GNOME 2.22) the desktop name is correct translated with "asztal" with hungarian language. Attila From j.schmude at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 09:07:28 2010 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:07:28 -0700 Subject: Improving Gnome Desktop Accessibility In-Reply-To: <50475.95673.qm@web94816.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <50475.95673.qm@web94816.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1267520848.2376.42.camel@asmodean> Hi I'm confused about some of these. My thoughts inline under each bug mentioned: On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 13:54 +0530, Arky wrote: > Clock-applet inaccessible (regression) > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581351 > Yes, this one is definitely an issue. The time can be read but the calendar and the weather sections cannot. > Notification Area icons are inaccessible > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611562 > Not true. Pressing ctrl-f1 on an icon will reveal its tooltip. If the icon has none, that is something the applet designer needs to correct. So they aren't so much inaccessible as they should be streamlined, i.e. ctrl-f1 should not be necessary. > panel_toplevel_construct_description should provide less technical descriptions > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610000 > Why? These messages are informational. They tell you where the panel is, its state (expanded/collapsed) and its alignment. I'd rather have this information than not, it's been helpful when fixing systems for friends who are sighted. > "Desktop" name is now "x-nautilus-desktop" (regression) > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555425 > Cosmetic, isn't it? Besides, it's accurate. You are in X, the underlying file manager is Nautilus, and you are on the desktop. > "search:" name instead of > "x-nautilus-search" > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610789 > See above. > Pathbar 'drive' 'previous folder' icon inaccessible > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610809 > I don't understand this one. In nautilus, on the toolbar, I have the back button as I should when I tab to it. If by the pathbar you mean the little buttons for each folder, well the previous folder is right to the left of the current one, how difficult is that? It's even named. > Switch to notification area shortcut key > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611563 > A bit redundant, seeing as how all we need do is switch to the appropriate panel and tab straight to it. The solution to accessibility issues is not overload the user with additional keystrokes. > Personally, I think we have bigger fish to fry than cosmetic issues. Gksudo needs replaced or fixed, no program should be able to block at-spi (gnome-keyring-ask, I'm looking at you). How about Webkit and the inaccessibility that big change pulled in? When you come right down to it, why is enabling the accessibility framework even a choice? It should always be on and ready to be used if you want a system to be truly accessible, so that all one need do is fire up Orca/gok/insert-at-of-choice. The only true accessibility issue I see in your list is the clock. The rest are cosmetic or a matter of preference, and with actual bugs coupled with GNOME 3 on the horizon, I think focus should be on that. What good is it if GNOME just says "desktop" when I still can't access Webkit-based apps properly, or can't launch apps as root as I should be able to do from the GUI? My $.02 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have found a certain low impact improvements like providing less technical information or providing a better accessible name will make it easier for non-technical blind users to learn gnu/Linux desktop. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ From j.schmude at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 09:25:10 2010 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:25:10 -0700 Subject: Improving Gnome Desktop Accessibility In-Reply-To: <410007.45348.qm@web94804.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <50475.95673.qm@web94816.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <1267520848.2376.42.camel@asmodean> <410007.45348.qm@web94804.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1267521910.2376.46.camel@asmodean> And how easy is it to learn when they follow an instruction, such as to launch the software sources application, and this causes Orca and accessibility to hang and they don't know how to get out of it? Sure they can drop to the command-line and do it but that's a lot more technical than a name. I'd say, in balance, that requiring the command-line causes more issues than hearing panel information. Again though, these are my opinions and observations and I don't mean any disrespect. I just think priorities should be on actual performance and crash-related problems first. They're the ones that hit hardest and make the most impression when they do. On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 14:48 +0530, Arky wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > > > The only true accessibility issue I see in your list is the clock. > The > > rest are cosmetic or a matter of preference, and with actual bugs > > coupled with GNOME 3 on the horizon, I think focus should > be on that. > > What good is it if GNOME just says "desktop" when I > still can't access > > Webkit-based apps properly, or can't launch > apps as root as I should be > > able to do from the GUI? > > I have found a certain low impact improvements like providing less technical information or providing a better accessible name will make it easier for non-technical blind users to learn gnu/Linux desktop. > > Cheers > > --arky > > > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. 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Is this a known issue? > > IC From ignasicambra at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 10:37:10 2010 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 05:37:10 -0500 Subject: Shutdown dialog is inaccessible again References: Message-ID: > Hello all, > The shutdown dialog doesn't speak anymore. When I tested the live cd three weeks ago it worked fine. Is this a known problem? Will it be fixed for the final release? > > IC From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Tue Mar 2 11:42:03 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:12:03 +0530 (IST) Subject: Improving Gnome Desktop Accessibility In-Reply-To: <1267521910.2376.46.camel@asmodean> References: <50475.95673.qm@web94816.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <1267520848.2376.42.camel@asmodean> <410007.45348.qm@web94804.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <1267521910.2376.46.camel@asmodean> Message-ID: <509236.14661.qm@web94809.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Jacob, >I just think priorities should be on actual performance and > crash-related problems first. They're the ones that hit hardest and make > the most impression when they do. > Yes, you are right. Last release of ubuntu failed to get many a11y users for this very reason. We are making good progress and would hopefully iron out most issue leading upto Gnome 3.0. Think of my bugs as papercuts for a11y :) Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ From saatyan.kfb at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 21:32:39 2010 From: saatyan.kfb at gmail.com (sathyan) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:32:39 -0500 Subject: OCR made easy on ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1267565559.3466.14.camel@s-desktop> dear list members, I am a happy man today. now I can use my computer to read print for myself. We have used ubuntu 9.4, xsane and cuneiform for this purpose. I am now in a possition to read with 99 percent accuracy. A visually impaired person can install the package by themselves. if anybody is interested ot receive the package, please contact me.please read the folloing item the read me of the package. Now a visually impaired person can enjoy reading the printed books using free software, cuneiform is a wonderful ocr engine and we tried to make it user friendly in our own way, you are free to make it more friendly in your own way, be careful to use scanners which have full support from xsane. To install on ubuntu 9.4 1 creat a user with username "s".or install ubuntu with username "s", 2 login to that user , 3 extract the cunieform to the home folder in order to extract, first select the cuneiform education system and enter, then press ctrl+e to select extract option, then press alt+p to select places column header and down arrow till you reach s, then press alt+e to extract the folder to s.. 4 switch on your speaker. 5 open a terminal and type ./setup cuneiform.sh. or open home folder and select setup cuneiform.sh and enter then tab to run in terminal and enter now you can disable orca by pressing orca+s. now listen to the instructions and wate for a few minutes. 6 when it says hi hi, your installation is complete. and continue installation. To use with scanner and xsane, 1 conect the scanner, 2 open xsane pressing alt+control+X 3 change the colour option to lineart or binary. 4 change the resolution as required usually keep at 300 and also change brightness as needed. 5 now you can open preview by pressing alt+tab once or twice and then change rotation of the image. you can tab to 000 compo box and space and change to 090 or 270 if you keep the book at diffrent angles and then enter.now you can come back to main menu by alt tab and start scanning by pressing ctrl enter. 6 after one scan you can check your output by pressing super+1. then the first 1.text will appear and press ples in the num pad will help to read it. 7 now you can change your pages of the book and go on scanning. 8 after scanning you can press super + a to get theoutput of first ten pages. next press super+ b to get output of 10 to 20 pages.then super+c for 20 to 30 and d, e, f, g, h, i, j, for getting output up to 100. next k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, will convert 25 pages each after 100.next letters are used s, t, u, v, w, , x, y, z for scanning up to 500 pages. (pleas add super with each letter) 9 after converting the images in to text you can directly open the directory by pressing alt ctrl +o. you now can see your pages 1 2 3 4 5 etc etc or you can get them all10.txt all20.txt and so on.you can open it from there. 10 now you can compile all the txt files by selecting and entering all-in-one.sh. output will appear in all-in-one.txt 11 wav audio convertion is possible after all-in-one.txt is created. you can select all-in-one.wav. 12 when you start a new a book you open xsane and tab to text/home/s......-.png and delete the number just before .png and change it to 1.png. 13 repeated scanning is possible by changing 1 spin button . you can set it to any number and scanning will continue up to that page. For more help please contact the following email. 1. nalin4linux77 at gmail.com and 2 saatyan.kfb at gmail.com From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Wed Mar 3 02:18:44 2010 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 03:18:44 +0100 Subject: OCR made easy on ubuntu 9.04 In-Reply-To: <1267565559.3466.14.camel@s-desktop> References: <1267565559.3466.14.camel@s-desktop> Message-ID: <20100303021844.GO6917@const.famille.thibault.fr> Hello, sathyan, le Tue 02 Mar 2010 16:32:39 -0500, a écrit : > Now a visually impaired person can enjoy reading the printed books using > free software, cuneiform is a wonderful ocr engine Sorry to moderate a bit, but according to Debian, cuneiform is not free, because the source for the .dat files is unknown, see http://bugs.debian.org/496264 Samuel From weavermicha at googlemail.com Wed Mar 3 05:59:22 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (Michael Weaver) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:59:22 +0000 Subject: accessible backup program Message-ID: <1267595962.2028.5.camel@michael-desktop> Does anyone know if there is an accessible backup program which is easy to use? I tried Sbackup but I had a few problems. It would only allow you to navigate the program if you were already logged in as administrator in the Sbackup configuration program and I couldn't seem to be able to use the restore app because of this admin problem. The other thing was I found I couldn't get a status on progress of backups when I tried it. From francesco.fumanti at gmx.net Wed Mar 3 12:49:58 2010 From: francesco.fumanti at gmx.net (Francesco Fumanti) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:49:58 +0100 Subject: Improving Gnome Desktop Accessibility In-Reply-To: <1267520848.2376.42.camel@asmodean> References: <50475.95673.qm@web94816.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <1267520848.2376.42.camel@asmodean> Message-ID: <4B8E5AF6.8060509@gmx.net> Hi, On 03/02/2010 10:07 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi > I'm confused about some of these. My thoughts inline under each bug > mentioned: > > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 13:54 +0530, Arky wrote: > >> Clock-applet inaccessible (regression) >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581351 >> Yes, this one is definitely an issue. The time can be read but the calendar and the weather sections cannot. > > >> Notification Area icons are inaccessible >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611562 >> Not true. Pressing ctrl-f1 on an icon will reveal its tooltip. If the icon has none, that is something the applet designer needs to correct. So they aren't so much inaccessible as they should be streamlined, i.e. ctrl-f1 should not be necessary. > > >> panel_toplevel_construct_description should provide less technical descriptions >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610000 >> Why? These messages are informational. They tell you where the panel is, its state (expanded/collapsed) and its alignment. I'd rather have this information than not, it's been helpful when fixing systems for friends who are sighted. >> "Desktop" name is now "x-nautilus-desktop" (regression) >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555425 >> Cosmetic, isn't it? Besides, it's accurate. You are in X, the underlying file manager is Nautilus, and you are on the desktop. >> "search:" name instead of >> "x-nautilus-search" >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610789 >> See above. >> Pathbar 'drive' 'previous folder' icon inaccessible >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610809 >> I don't understand this one. In nautilus, on the toolbar, I have the back button as I should when I tab to it. If by the pathbar you mean the little buttons for each folder, well the previous folder is right to the left of the current one, how difficult is that? It's even named. >> Switch to notification area shortcut key >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611563 >> A bit redundant, seeing as how all we need do is switch to the appropriate panel and tab straight to it. The solution to accessibility issues is not overload the user with additional keystrokes. >> > Personally, I think we have bigger fish to fry than cosmetic issues. > Gksudo needs replaced or fixed, no program should be able to block > at-spi (gnome-keyring-ask, I'm looking at you). I completely agree with you about gksu and I am wondering whether gksu-polkit could not be a candidate that could replace gksu. That's why I tested gksu-polkit 0.0.2-1 with synaptic few days ago on the lucid development version; but it eats 100% cpu. :-( The goal would be to ask on the Ubuntu devel list whether they could consider doing the replacement. But as long as gksu-polkit does not work properly, it will probably not make sense to ask for it. > How about Webkit and the > inaccessibility that big change pulled in? When you come right down to > it, why is enabling the accessibility framework even a choice? It should > always be on and ready to be used if you want a system to be truly > accessible, so that all one need do is fire up > Orca/gok/insert-at-of-choice. Having at-spi enabled by default is something that gets regularly proposed to GNOME as far as I know; let's hope that at-spi2 will have less issues so that having it always running can finally be the default. Cheers, Francesco. From waywardgeek at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 14:42:32 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:42:32 -0500 Subject: GDM keeps losing Orca speech Message-ID: <499d69a01003040642t35060db2u8ebfc41f2613b9ca@mail.gmail.com> I installed Lucid 3 days ago, with Orca enabled (option F5, and item 3 in the first install window). Orca comes up reading the gdm login window just fine. However, yesterday, I did an "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade", and gdm lost it's configuration and stopped talking. I found the magic commands to get it working again in Luke's 30accessibility scripts in casper. They are: sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/applications/at/visual/startup true sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -s -t string /desktop/gnome/applications/at/visual/exec orca sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled true Gdm was somewhat broken 3 days ago, so I wasn't too worried that it's config was lost when I upgraded. However, today I upgraded again, and gdm stopped talking again, and I had to re-execute the commands above to fix it. Is this a long-term problem that blind users will keep running into? From rob at mur.org.uk Thu Mar 4 14:47:38 2010 From: rob at mur.org.uk (Robert Murray) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:47:38 +0000 Subject: Lucid update broke accessibility Message-ID: <20100304144737.GA4180@mur.org.uk> Hi I just upgraded my Lucid system, and it is no longer accessible with orca. Is this a known bug? if not, where should I start to try and find out what is going on? The accessible login has stopped working. I don't get any speech from orca at the gdm login screen. Once logged in, the gnome panels, menus, run dialog and desktop are inaccessible. Orca does not say inaccessible, there is just no speech. The orca window and gnome-terminal work fine though. Everything was working quite well until yesterday. Best regards Robbie From waywardgeek at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 15:03:27 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:03:27 -0500 Subject: Lucid update broke accessibility In-Reply-To: <20100304144737.GA4180@mur.org.uk> References: <20100304144737.GA4180@mur.org.uk> Message-ID: <499d69a01003040703n45b664f2x583e6d012057ca0d@mail.gmail.com> I'm seeing this behavior in Vinux 3.0 alpha 3, based on the latest Lucid alpha. I upgraded this morning and the login window stopped speaking. To fix it, run the attached script. I'm also not hearing any menus being read in Orca, and the application switcher is also not talking. This is true for both metacity and compiz. I think this just jumped to the highest priority accessibility bug spot in Lucid! Anyone have any ideas what's going on? Shall I file a bug report on bugs.launchpad.net? Bill On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Robert Murray wrote: > Hi > > I just upgraded my Lucid system, and it is no longer accessible with orca.  Is this a known bug? if not, where should I start to try and find out what is going on? > > The accessible login has stopped working. I don't get any speech from orca at the gdm login screen. > > Once logged in, the gnome panels, menus, run dialog and desktop are inaccessible.  Orca does not say inaccessible, there is just no speech.  The orca window and gnome-terminal work fine though. > > Everything was working quite well until yesterday. > > Best regards > > Robbie > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Thu Mar 4 16:01:18 2010 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:01:18 +0100 Subject: Lucid update broke accessibility In-Reply-To: <499d69a01003040703n45b664f2x583e6d012057ca0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100304144737.GA4180@mur.org.uk> <499d69a01003040703n45b664f2x583e6d012057ca0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100304160118.GR6471@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> Bill Cox, le Thu 04 Mar 2010 10:03:27 -0500, a écrit : > Anyone have any ideas what's going on? Shall I file a > bug report on bugs.launchpad.net? Unless somebody speaks within a day, report a bug. Better report bugs several times and they will be merged, than risk not reporting the bug at all. Samuel From waywardgeek at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 16:25:18 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:25:18 -0500 Subject: Lucid update broke accessibility In-Reply-To: <20100304160118.GR6471@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> References: <20100304144737.GA4180@mur.org.uk> <499d69a01003040703n45b664f2x583e6d012057ca0d@mail.gmail.com> <20100304160118.GR6471@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> Message-ID: <499d69a01003040825s1b30235elefdfefbbc2beecc2@mail.gmail.com> So, I did another apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, and rebooted, and now speech is working again! Robert, can you give this a gry? On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Bill Cox, le Thu 04 Mar 2010 10:03:27 -0500, a écrit : >> Anyone have any ideas what's going on?  Shall I file a >> bug report on bugs.launchpad.net? > > Unless somebody speaks within a day, report a bug. Better report bugs > several times and they will be merged, than risk not reporting the bug > at all. > > Samuel > From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Mar 4 22:49:39 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:49:39 +1100 Subject: GDM keeps losing Orca speech In-Reply-To: <499d69a01003040642t35060db2u8ebfc41f2613b9ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a01003040642t35060db2u8ebfc41f2613b9ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100304224939.GA2655@strigy.yelavich.home> On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 01:42:32AM EST, Bill Cox wrote: > I installed Lucid 3 days ago, with Orca enabled (option F5, and item 3 > in the first install window). Orca comes up reading the gdm login > window just fine. However, yesterday, I did an "sudo apt-get update; > sudo apt-get upgrade", and gdm lost it's configuration and stopped > talking. I found the magic commands to get it working again in Luke's > 30accessibility scripts in casper. They are: Ah yes, this is something I've known about, but haven't got around to fixing. I need to talk to the gdm maintainers to see how we can fix this properly. Luke From rob at mur.org.uk Fri Mar 5 16:29:39 2010 From: rob at mur.org.uk (Robert Murray) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:29:39 +0000 Subject: Lucid update broke accessibility In-Reply-To: <20100304144737.GA4180@mur.org.uk> References: <20100304144737.GA4180@mur.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100305162937.GA1983@mur.org.uk> Hi Everyone This problem seams to have fixed it's self.. I still have no speech from gdm, but this appears to be a known problem. Best regards, Robbie From nolan at thewordnerd.info Fri Mar 5 17:44:42 2010 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:44:42 -0600 Subject: Unpredictable notification speech Message-ID: <4B91430A.7090009@thewordnerd.info> Hello, wondering if anyone else has seen this and if there's a fix? Sometimes notifications via notify-osd speak fine. I've actually come to rely upon these for various bits of functionality. Since I can't just glance over to my IM contacts window, for instance, I use these notifications to notice when a friend I want to talk to logs on. But sometimes these notifications don't speak. This seems to happen on a session-by-session basis. For instance, sometimes I'll get a session where notifications speak perfectly. Then, one GDM restart later, they aren't. Also, sometimes notifications stop during a session, and once stopped they never start again. I've found my .cache/notify-osd.log. It is receiving events. I see a notify-osd process running. What I don't see when a notification appears are messages in Orca's debug output indicating that any sort of event has been received. The challenge here is that I don't know if the notifications are actually appearing on my screen and notify-osd isn't generating accessibility events, or if notify-osd needs some other applet running to display these accessibly. I also can't seem to pin down what makes events start and stop working. I know that they were until recently working quite reliably, and I thought that perhaps a bug had gotten fixed somewhere, but after the latest Karmic updates they've stopped. Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone have a fix? This is incredibly frustrating, particularly as I don't know with whom to file a bug. Happy to do so, I just need to know what isn't working. Also, I thought that maybe the indicator applets might give some clue, but there are bunches of those, and I'm thinking they aren't it. I also see a notification area applet that I wonder if I should add? It doesn't appear to be running already, even though notify-osd is and seems to have a number of GUI libs linked against it, suggesting that it is responsible for the notification bubbles. Amd if the notification applet is what is responsible, why wouldn't it already be running since notify-osd is fairly Ubuntu-specific? Thanks. From j.schmude at gmail.com Fri Mar 5 18:11:04 2010 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:11:04 -0700 Subject: Unpredictable notification speech In-Reply-To: <4B91430A.7090009@thewordnerd.info> References: <4B91430A.7090009@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <4B914938.5030102@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I can confirm this one, Ubuntu 9.10 with all latest updates. On 03/05/2010 10:44 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Hello, wondering if anyone else has seen this and if there's a fix? > > Sometimes notifications via notify-osd speak fine. I've actually come to > rely upon these for various bits of functionality. Since I can't just > glance over to my IM contacts window, for instance, I use these > notifications to notice when a friend I want to talk to logs on. > > But sometimes these notifications don't speak. This seems to happen on a > session-by-session basis. For instance, sometimes I'll get a session > where notifications speak perfectly. Then, one GDM restart later, they > aren't. Also, sometimes notifications stop during a session, and once > stopped they never start again. > > I've found my .cache/notify-osd.log. It is receiving events. I see a > notify-osd process running. What I don't see when a notification appears > are messages in Orca's debug output indicating that any sort of event > has been received. > > The challenge here is that I don't know if the notifications are > actually appearing on my screen and notify-osd isn't generating > accessibility events, or if notify-osd needs some other applet running > to display these accessibly. I also can't seem to pin down what makes > events start and stop working. I know that they were until recently > working quite reliably, and I thought that perhaps a bug had gotten > fixed somewhere, but after the latest Karmic updates they've stopped. > > Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone have a fix? This is incredibly > frustrating, particularly as I don't know with whom to file a bug. Happy > to do so, I just need to know what isn't working. > > Also, I thought that maybe the indicator applets might give some clue, > but there are bunches of those, and I'm thinking they aren't it. I also > see a notification area applet that I wonder if I should add? It doesn't > appear to be running already, even though notify-osd is and seems to > have a number of GUI libs linked against it, suggesting that it is > responsible for the notification bubbles. Amd if the notification applet > is what is responsible, why wouldn't it already be running since > notify-osd is fairly Ubuntu-specific? > > Thanks. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuRSTgACgkQybLrVJs+Wi6v+ACfc3c8toan0PYI5i6NK8bau67r iHYAnj45HWOkDBeFMFsMVKT5gz+RysC7 =b0mD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nolan at thewordnerd.info Fri Mar 5 19:10:22 2010 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:10:22 -0600 Subject: Update on notifications Message-ID: <4B91571E.3020703@thewordnerd.info> OK, I swear that my system noticed me sending my previous message and decided to get in line. :) For the first time I can recall, notifications spontaneously fixed themselves during the course of a session. They just started speaking. Checking ps shows that notify-osd appears to have been launched a few minutes ago, and the log was cleared and rewritten, no longer containing days of missed notifications. So I'm wondering if it's a timing issue? Maybe notify-osd is starting before accessibility support is initialized, and as such isn't sending events? Then, if it crashes or is respawned for whatever reason, accessibility support is initialized and things start working? Just a hunch, as I seem to recall other similar timing issues in the past. Though this wouldn't explain instances wehen notify-osd stops speaking notifications during a session, but maybe I've misremenbered those, and maybe it's always been something that either works or doesn't at startup. If it fails again, I'll kill and relaunch it manually to see if that definitely does it, but for now I'm hesitant to break what works. :) From j.schmude at gmail.com Fri Mar 5 20:36:58 2010 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:36:58 -0700 Subject: notifications again Message-ID: <4B916B6A.2060901@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I can confirm that it seems to be a timing issue as to when notify-osd starts. I've never had it stop working in a session, but in the sessions where it does not send events to at-spi, killing and respawning it seems to take care of the problem in every instance I've tested so far. Lucid users, is this fixed there or still happening? If it's still happening then the startup sequence should probably be modified so that notify-osd always starts up after accessibility support is ready. I understand starting services in parallel, but some services if applicable should start before any others. 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Opening the hardware drivers application doesn't provide me with the wireless driver anymore, so I wonder how to get my wireless card to work again... Thanks! From dave.hunt2 at verizon.net Sun Mar 7 21:47:19 2010 From: dave.hunt2 at verizon.net (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:47:19 -0500 Subject: SIP and Orca? Message-ID: <4B941EE7.8080204@verizon.net> I am unable to use Ekiga with Orca. Once a connection is established, there is a bit of sound, then nothing. When I try to hang up, Orca becomes unresponsive, and the computer fan races. My only option seems to be killing the entire x session. I'm using Karmic with Pulse Audio enabled. What sip clients are people using? Thanks, Dave From stormdragon2976 at gmail.com Sun Mar 7 22:05:41 2010 From: stormdragon2976 at gmail.com (Storm Dragon) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:05:41 -0500 Subject: SIP and Orca? In-Reply-To: <4B941EE7.8080204@verizon.net> References: <4B941EE7.8080204@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1267999541.8099.51.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Hi, I'd like to know this too. Something more accessible than Skype and less flakey then Ekiga. Storm -- Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ What color dragon are you? http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 16:47 -0500, Dave Hunt wrote: > I am unable to use Ekiga with Orca. Once a connection is established, > there is a bit of sound, then nothing. When I try to hang up, Orca > becomes unresponsive, and the computer fan races. My only option seems > to be killing the entire x session. I'm using Karmic with Pulse Audio > enabled. What sip clients are people using? > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > understand starting services in parallel, but some services if > applicable should start before any others. In lucid, this should not be a problem. There have been a lot of tweaks done to improve the desktop startup speed, one of which is for notify-osd to be started only when its needed, and since accessibility comes up very very early in the session, all notifications should be accessible from the get go. Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Mar 7 22:14:11 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:14:11 +1100 Subject: Hardware drivers dialog? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100307221411.GC2296@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 07:38:34PM EST, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Hello, > I remember installing the lucid live cd about three weeks ago. Every time the system got started, a dialog appeared telling me to install some proprietary drivers, which actually worked and made my wi-fi adapter active. I installed lucid again yesterday and this dialog doesn't appear anymore. Is it Orca not reading it for us, or is it simply not appearing? Opening the hardware drivers application doesn't provide me with the wireless driver anymore, so I wonder how to get my wireless card to work again... Firstly, the dialog opening up all the time has now been fixed. Secondly, what model is your wireless card? If you load jockey manually, does your wireless card still not get listed? Luke From kb8aey at verizon.net Sun Mar 7 22:28:53 2010 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (Mike Coulombe) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:28:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: battery info on the top panel is gone Message-ID: <0KYX00HSRNS4YE80@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I am using lucid on one of my computers, and noticed the battery info is no longer in the top panel. Has anyone else noticed this? If so, do you know what happened to it? Mike. From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 04:55:48 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:25:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: Apt Pinning Message-ID: <901695.34570.qm@web94804.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, I want to prevent the gnome-orca package from lucid installing automatically. Tried to setup a negative apt Pin-Priority but I think something is screwed up here. $ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/ubuntu-gnome-orca-1 Package: * Pin release v=10.04 Pin-Priority: -1 Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ From farhan.ahmed2009 at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 13:48:07 2010 From: farhan.ahmed2009 at gmail.com (Farhan Ahmed) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:48:07 +0500 Subject: intro and a question. Message-ID: <013EA25B5C304DE5A4828480EE56D22D@home4d5586b2c4> Hello all, I just joined the list and thought to introduce myself. This is Farhan, from Pakistan. I am a very beginner at Linux and am currently running vinux on my VMware workstation. If we do have blind people here, they might've known me from some other lists. My question is that, I have voxin synth 2.7 and am trying to install it on vinux alpha one. I have done everything right including editing the speech.conf by removing the hash sign (#) before the addmoduled IBM but nothing happens. I can't see the option for selecting the voxin IBM neither in orca preferences/speech tab/speach dispatcher nor in speach synthesizer. When Installing this voice, It gives a message, "unable to update speech dispatcher"... or something like that. Could someone point me on resolving this issue? Your help on my problem is highly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. 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An explination of how to use tar for backing up can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR >Does anyone know if there is an accessible backup program which is easy >to use? >I tried Sbackup but I had a few problems. >It would only allow you to navigate the program if you were already >logged in as administrator in the Sbackup configuration program and I >couldn't seem to be able to use the restore app because of this admin >problem. >The other thing was I found I couldn't get a status on progress of >backups when I tried it. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kb8aey at verizon.net Tue Mar 9 00:08:30 2010 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (Mike Coulombe) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:08:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: problems with the lucid live cd Message-ID: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I downloaded the live cd today and found that aparently axcessibility isn't being enabled. I pressed enter once, then f5 and 3. Then enter twice. After the system boots, orca doesn't start. I can start it, and it does go through the setup with speech. But when I log in again, Orca doesn't work. Mike. From guyster104 at att.net Tue Mar 9 02:00:27 2010 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:00:27 -0500 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd In-Reply-To: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4B95ABBB.6050901@att.net> I can confirm this as a problem. I downloaded the live CD yesterday, and had the exact same problem as described. I was also told about fuzzy video, but that could've been with the video card on the computer I was working with, so not concerned about that one as of yet. Thanks, Guy On 03/08/2010 07:08 PM, Mike Coulombe wrote: > Hi, I downloaded the live cd today and found that aparently axcessibility isn't being enabled. > I pressed enter once, then f5 and 3. Then enter twice. After the system boots, orca doesn't start. I can start it, and it does go through the setup with speech. But when I log in again, Orca doesn't work. > Mike. > > From waywardgeek at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 02:08:52 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:08:52 -0500 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd In-Reply-To: <4B95ABBB.6050901@att.net> References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <4B95ABBB.6050901@att.net> Message-ID: <499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com> There seems to be new timing involved in getting accessibility working in the latest ISO. It takes several seconds to boot to the first screen, but you only have a few seconds once you reach it to press any key. There is an image at the bottom that says in effect "Keyboard = accessibility". Try pressing the space bar every 3 or 4 seconds for about 30 seconds on power up, and then press F5, 3, and enter, as usual. Bill On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > I can confirm this as a problem. I downloaded the live CD yesterday, and > had the exact same problem as described. I was also told about fuzzy > video, but that could've been with the video card on the computer I was > working with, so not concerned about that one as of yet. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > > On 03/08/2010 07:08 PM, Mike Coulombe wrote: >> Hi, I downloaded the live cd today and found that aparently axcessibility isn't being enabled. >>     I pressed enter once, then f5 and 3. Then enter twice. After the system boots, orca doesn't start. I can start it, and it does go through the setup with speech. But when I log in again, Orca doesn't work. >> Mike. >> >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 06:47:33 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:17:33 +0530 (IST) Subject: Help debug this Accerciser issue Message-ID: <460189.78116.qm@web94811.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, Can you reproduce this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accerciser/+bug/418468 Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ From halim.sahin at freenet.de Wed Mar 10 20:19:14 2010 From: halim.sahin at freenet.de (Halim Sahin) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:19:14 +0100 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd In-Reply-To: <499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com> References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100310201914.GA17138@gentoo.local> hi, I suggest adding a beep to the boot menu prompt of the live cd. Opensuse does this afaik since opensuse 11.1. Perhaps anyone can add this feature request in launchpad? Regards Halim From j.schmude at gmail.com Wed Mar 10 20:48:40 2010 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:48:40 -0700 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd In-Reply-To: <20100310201914.GA17138@gentoo.local> References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com> <20100310201914.GA17138@gentoo.local> Message-ID: <4B9805A8.2050605@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Too bad there's no other way to indicate the prompt. A good deal of new PCs, and almost all recent laptops, don't have the necessary PC speaker or, in the case of laptops, it's wired up and controlled by the sound card so still useless at the boot screen. Off hand though, I can't think of anything else and I wish I could. On 03/10/2010 01:19 PM, Halim Sahin wrote: > hi, > I suggest adding a beep to the boot menu prompt of the live cd. > Opensuse does this afaik since opensuse 11.1. > Perhaps anyone can add this feature request in launchpad? > > Regards > Halim > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuYBagACgkQybLrVJs+Wi7x9gCcCLxqFHvsyTIEp87fyEyQRcFx xE8AnRiPAoScTzby5kf49t59XlWJeyv/ =pQMv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From halim.sahin at freenet.de Thu Mar 11 07:50:25 2010 From: halim.sahin at freenet.de (Halim Sahin) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:50:25 +0100 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd In-Reply-To: <4B9805A8.2050605@gmail.com> References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com> <20100310201914.GA17138@gentoo.local> <4B9805A8.2050605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100311075025.GA2878@gentoo.local> hi, Hmm yes the beepers are controlled by the hda codec after the driver is loaded during boot. But the speaker works in an early boot process before loading the sound drivers as well. There are only few machines without a real speaker but most have! @Luke: Is there a way to add the beep in luccid? Afaik grub 2 supports it (read in other ml). BR. Halim From waywardgeek at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 10:53:15 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:53:15 -0500 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd In-Reply-To: <20100311075025.GA2878@gentoo.local> References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com> <20100310201914.GA17138@gentoo.local> <4B9805A8.2050605@gmail.com> <20100311075025.GA2878@gentoo.local> Message-ID: <499d69a01003110253h275e7d35hd99106c99833efc5@mail.gmail.com> The magic key sequence to bring up Orca in a Live CD boot of Lucid is now: "Press space every 3-4 seconds, several times, then enter, then F5, then 3, then enter twice". That seems a bit extreme to me. Couldn't we simplify that? For example, "wait for the beep, then press F5" would be a lot nicer. The new Ubuntu Live CDs boot into a Gnome screen to ask the language and give the user boot options (install or try ubuntu). It seems to me that would be a good place to play a boot sound and to enable function keys as accessibility shortcuts. For example, pressing F5 could directly start Orca. Just my $0.02. Bill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Halim Sahin wrote: > hi, > Hmm yes the beepers are controlled by the hda codec after the driver is > loaded during boot. > But the speaker works in an early boot process before loading the sound > drivers as well. > There are only few machines without a real speaker but most have! > > @Luke: Is there a way to add the beep in luccid? > Afaik grub 2 supports it (read in other ml). > BR. > Halim > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From everett at zufelt.ca Thu Mar 11 10:58:59 2010 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:58:59 -0500 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd In-Reply-To: <499d69a01003110253h275e7d35hd99106c99833efc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com> <20100310201914.GA17138@gentoo.local> <4B9805A8.2050605@gmail.com> <20100311075025.GA2878@gentoo.local> <499d69a01003110253h275e7d35hd99106c99833efc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8570DF23-A987-4F59-9F02-AA4B98211A8D@zufelt.ca> On 2010-03-11, at 5:53 AM, Bill Cox wrote: > The magic key sequence to bring up Orca in a Live CD boot of Lucid is > now: "Press space every 3-4 seconds, several times, then enter, then > F5, then 3, then enter twice". That seems a bit extreme to me. > Couldn't we simplify that? * Do you know what the purpose of the space bar at the beginning of this sequence is? Just curious more than anything else. And, thank you for sending this message out to the list. Thanks, Everett From waywardgeek at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 11:40:45 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:40:45 -0500 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd In-Reply-To: <8570DF23-A987-4F59-9F02-AA4B98211A8D@zufelt.ca> References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com> <20100310201914.GA17138@gentoo.local> <4B9805A8.2050605@gmail.com> <20100311075025.GA2878@gentoo.local> <499d69a01003110253h275e7d35hd99106c99833efc5@mail.gmail.com> <8570DF23-A987-4F59-9F02-AA4B98211A8D@zufelt.ca> Message-ID: <499d69a01003110340t5718c3e2n6259b8766d46fbbe@mail.gmail.com> The new boot sequence on the Lucid Live CD is very cool, if you're not blind. Instead of bringing up console based text to ask your language whether you want to install or just try Ubuntu, it boots directly into a gnome session where it asks the same questions in a nice graphical form with a pretty background image. However, accessibility options have not yet been ported from the initial console screen to the new graphical form. Instead, for a few seconds during boot, a graphic is displayed on the screen that indicates you need to press a key to access accessibility options. If you press a key while this graphic is displayed, it takes you to the old boot menu, where you can do the old sequence to get Orca talking. Bill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:58 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > On 2010-03-11, at 5:53 AM, Bill Cox wrote: > >> The magic key sequence to bring up Orca in a Live CD boot of Lucid is >> now: "Press space every 3-4 seconds, several times, then enter, then >> F5, then 3, then enter twice".  That seems a bit extreme to me. >> Couldn't we simplify that? > > * Do you know what the purpose of the space bar at the beginning of this sequence is?  Just curious more than anything else.  And, thank you for sending this message out to the list. > > Thanks, > Everett > > From mk.seventhson at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 14:10:14 2010 From: mk.seventhson at gmail.com (mk360) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:10:14 -0300 Subject: problems with the lucid live cd References: <0KYZ0082QN25E6F3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><499d69a01003081808s4586ad25qf22eb314ebe504be@mail.gmail.com><20100310201914.GA17138@gentoo.local> <4B9805A8.2050605@gmail.com><20100311075025.GA2878@gentoo.local><499d69a01003110253h275e7d35hd99106c99833efc5@mail.gmail.com><8570DF23-A987-4F59-9F02-AA4B98211A8D@zufelt.ca> <499d69a01003110340t5718c3e2n6259b8766d46fbbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A3F523D9EB94F158439046253B8C2F9@seventhson> What about choosing other languages? Usually I do f2 & 2 (spanish) and f5&3... Regards, mk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox" To: "E.J. Zufelt" Cc: ; "Halim Sahin" Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:40 AM Subject: Re: problems with the lucid live cd The new boot sequence on the Lucid Live CD is very cool, if you're not blind. Instead of bringing up console based text to ask your language whether you want to install or just try Ubuntu, it boots directly into a gnome session where it asks the same questions in a nice graphical form with a pretty background image. However, accessibility options have not yet been ported from the initial console screen to the new graphical form. Instead, for a few seconds during boot, a graphic is displayed on the screen that indicates you need to press a key to access accessibility options. If you press a key while this graphic is displayed, it takes you to the old boot menu, where you can do the old sequence to get Orca talking. Bill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:58 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > On 2010-03-11, at 5:53 AM, Bill Cox wrote: > >> The magic key sequence to bring up Orca in a Live CD boot of Lucid is >> now: "Press space every 3-4 seconds, several times, then enter, then >> F5, then 3, then enter twice". That seems a bit extreme to me. >> Couldn't we simplify that? > > * Do you know what the purpose of the space bar at the beginning of this > sequence is? Just curious more than anything else. And, thank you for > sending this message out to the list. > > Thanks, > Everett > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Mar 12 06:55:38 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:55:38 +0100 Subject: New stable Espeak maintenance version is available Message-ID: <4B99E56A.5030806@pickup.hu> Dear List, Monday evening Jonathan Duddington publicate new stable Espeak maintenance version (1.43.02). For example, in hungarian language this version containing critical important bugfixes with Espeak hungarian speech (new or modifyed language rules, and some modifications with source code with hungarian specific general number suffix exception feature). Luke, my little technical questions is following, because I am interest: Now, Ubuntu Lucid containing Espeak-1.43.0 version. Ubuntu Core Developers upgrade Espeak version if a new maintenance version is awailable with espeak.sourceforge.net official website (only if the last version number is changed)? What the final development date before this upgrade must happening? What the final date after this upgrade is impossible with actual development Ubuntu versions? Temporary I do a PPA package with this version, and copyed this package with vinux/vinux-lucid repository, but better if official Lucid version containing new maintenance version. I am using this version with day by day, and not see any problem. I doed a bugreport with request the upgrade: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/espeak/+bug/537882 Attila From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 08:36:23 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:06:23 +0530 (IST) Subject: New stable Espeak maintenance version is available In-Reply-To: <4B99E56A.5030806@pickup.hu> References: <4B99E56A.5030806@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <251672.32225.qm@web94808.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Attila, I posted this request upstream with Debian as well. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Hammer Attila > To: ubuntu > Sent: Fri, 12 March, 2010 12:25:38 PM > Subject: New stable Espeak maintenance version is available > > Dear List, Monday evening Jonathan Duddington publicate new stable Espeak > maintenance version (1.43.02). For example, in hungarian language this > version containing critical important bugfixes with Espeak hungarian speech > (new or modifyed language rules, and some modifications with source code > with hungarian specific general number suffix exception > feature). Luke, my little technical questions is following, because I am > interest: Now, Ubuntu Lucid containing Espeak-1.43.0 version. Ubuntu Core > Developers upgrade Espeak version if a new maintenance version is awailable > with espeak.sourceforge.net official website (only if the last version > number is changed)? What the final development date before this upgrade must > happening? What the final date after this upgrade is impossible with actual > development Ubuntu versions? Temporary I do a PPA package with this > version, and copyed this package with vinux/vinux-lucid repository, but > better if official Lucid version containing new maintenance version. I am > using this version with day by day, and not see any problem. I doed a > bugreport with request the upgrade: > href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/espeak/+bug/537882" > target=_blank > >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/espeak/+bug/537882 Attila -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > ymailto="mailto:Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com" > href="mailto:Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility" > target=_blank > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/ From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Mar 12 08:42:50 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:42:50 +0100 Subject: New stable Espeak maintenance version is available In-Reply-To: <251672.32225.qm@web94808.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <4B99E56A.5030806@pickup.hu> <251672.32225.qm@web94808.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B99FE8A.2090100@pickup.hu> Hy Arki, Thank you. Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Mar 13 03:37:45 2010 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (Mike Coulombe) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:37:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: I have a question about thunderbird Message-ID: <0KZ700486BEX3CZ5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, I found thunderbird to work pretty good. I do have one question. In the latest version, pressing enter opens the message for reading. But I'm not sure how to get back to the message list. Does anyone know if there is a key you can press to close a open message and return to the list? Thanks Mike. From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 03:46:13 2010 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:46:13 -0500 Subject: I have a question about thunderbird In-Reply-To: <0KZ700486BEX3CZ5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KZ700486BEX3CZ5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4B9B0A85.2000304@gmail.com> If you are using Thunderbird 3.0 and open a message, you can press control-W to get back to the list. Each message opens in its own tab, and control-W closes the tab. ~Kyle -- Jesus you're my life. I live only to serve You Each and every day. --Kyle From fleytin at yandex.ru Sat Mar 13 07:54:58 2010 From: fleytin at yandex.ru (Sergei V. Fleytin) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:54:58 +0300 Subject: thumb drive install Message-ID: <87mxycslkd.fsf@garinaldi.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Hello, list! Recently I successfulley installed Ubuntu 9.10 using usb flash drive. And now I have a question if it is possible to modify files on the drive so that accessibility features would be activated by default when booting from that drive. Since now many computers support booting from usb devices I think this approach might help significantly with eyes free installation of linux systems in general and ubuntu in particular. Thanks in advance, Sergei. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Sat Mar 13 08:11:22 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:11:22 +0000 Subject: problem with emerson daisy player Message-ID: <4b9b4702.8109cc0a.2c75.784d@mx.google.com> i have just downloaded the emerson daisy player but when i ran the executable after unzipping the archive file i got some error message about java. how do i download this jre file or whatever is needed to resolve this issue? From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 10:45:20 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:15:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: problem with emerson daisy player In-Reply-To: <4b9b4702.8109cc0a.2c75.784d@mx.google.com> References: <4b9b4702.8109cc0a.2c75.784d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <372211.47919.qm@web94801.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Michael, You need to install the java run time. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant| http://www.braillewithoutborders.org | Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: michael weaver > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Sat, 13 March, 2010 1:41:22 PM > Subject: problem with emerson daisy player > > i have just downloaded the emerson daisy player but when i ran the > executable after unzipping the archive file i got some error message about > java. how do i download this jre file or whatever is needed to resolve > this issue? -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > ymailto="mailto:Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com" > href="mailto:Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility" > target=_blank > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ From vilmar at informal.com.br Sat Mar 13 11:41:47 2010 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (jose vilmar estacio de souza) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:41:47 -0300 Subject: I have a question about thunderbird In-Reply-To: <0KZ700486BEX3CZ5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KZ700486BEX3CZ5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4B9B79FB.505@informal.com.br> Hi, Try the escape key or ctrl+w. []S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza http://www.informal.com.br Msn:vilmar at informal.com.br Skype:jvilmar Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jvesouza Phone: +55 21-2555-2650 Cel: +55 21-8868-0859 On 03/13/2010 12:37 AM, Mike Coulombe wrote: > Hi, I found thunderbird to work pretty good. I do have one question. In the latest version, pressing enter opens the message for reading. But I'm not sure how to get back to the message list. Does anyone know if there is a key you can press to close a open message and return to the list? > Thanks Mike. > > From saatyan.kfb at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 22:26:34 2010 From: saatyan.kfb at gmail.com (s) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:26:34 -0500 Subject: ocr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1268519194.5485.3.camel@n-desktop> dear friends you can download a good and easy ocr package from hear for ubuntu 9.04 http://code.google.com/p/easyocr/ http://easyocr.googlecode.com/files/Read%20me.text http://easyocr.googlecode.com/files/easy%20ocr%201.4.tar.gz From jbr100uk at googlemail.com Tue Mar 16 06:42:39 2010 From: jbr100uk at googlemail.com (John Robinson) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:42:39 +0000 Subject: Speakup doesn't speak when I log into a text console Message-ID: <4B9F285F.4040501@googlemail.com> Hi everyone. I've recently upgraded to the latest version of Lucid but am having some problems with Speakup used with Espeakup. Speakup speaks fine while I'm logging into a text console, but stops speaking altogether as soon as I have logged in. It speaks fine as soon as I log out again. This happens irrespective of which console I try to log into. I've never seen this behaviour before and would very much appreciate any suggestions as to how to fix this problem. Many thanks in advance for any help. John Robinson From mk.seventhson at gmail.com Tue Mar 16 15:51:49 2010 From: mk.seventhson at gmail.com (mk360) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:51:49 -0300 Subject: [Off Topic] sound car Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to configure an audio sound card on my ubuntu becouse it was detected but sounds really low. I downloaded a driver from the manufacturer, but I've some doubts. The thing is on the readme file all instructions are for alsa, and I don't know if it is aplicable for the new ubuntu systems with pulse. my configurations are for karmic or lucid. Here is the readme file: The source code copy from www.alsa-project.org. ver:5.14 Linux Source Code for ALC audio codec Support Codec list: ====AC97 Codec===== ALC100,100P ALC200,200P ALC650D ALC650E ALC650F ALC650 ALC655 ALC653 ALC658 ALC658D ALC850 ALC101 ALC202 ALC250 ALC203 ====HD Audio codec ==== ALC260 ALC262 ALC267 ALC268 ALC259 ALC269 ALC270 ALC272 ALC275 ALC660 ALC660VD ALC661 ALC662 ALC663 ALC665 ALC670 ALC861 ALC861VD ALC880 ALC882 ALC883 ALC885 ALC888 ALC889A ALC892 Installation: This Source Code is from www.alsa-project.org. For OS installation, please remember add the Development tool kit. For driver installation, please follow below steps. Automatic install: (Recommend RedHat distribution) execute ./install Note: Ubuntu OS, please use manual install. Run commands need to add sudo at first words. Manual install: Step 1. unzip source code tar xfvj alsa-driver-1.0.xx.tar.bz2 Step 2. Turn on sound support from kernel config (soundcore module, default turn on) Step 3. Complied source code a. cd alsa-driver-1.0.xx b. ./configure (--with-cards=hda-intel)<= for HDA options c. make d. make install e. alsaconf Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on the distribution (Please refer to the attached modules.conf) snd-xxxx is the card ID. -- Azalia controller --ALC880 ALC882 ALC260 ALC262 ALC883 ALC885 ALC888 --- Intel ICH6 ICH7 --------- snd-hda-intel -- AC97 controller --ALC655 ALC650 ALC250 ALC255 --- Intel ICH6 ICH7 , SiS 7012 and NVidia---------- snd-intel8x0 --- Via8233 Via686a ------------------------------- snd-via82xx --- ATI Chipset ------------------------------- snd-atiixp Copy and paste this to the bottom of your /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf file. # ALSA portion alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-xxxx # OSS/Free portion alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 # card #1 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss Step 5. reboot your machine Step 6. Use the alsamixer the disable mute (All audio line default is mute) Must to compile and to install the ALSA library and utility. (Use automatic install is already install) excute alsamixer Note: 1. The most detail information, can refer the alsa-kernel/Documenttation/ALSA-Configuration.txt in the azx-021705.tar.bz2. 2. Kernel Version must be 2.6 or later. 3. All mixer channels are muted by default. You must use a native or OSS mixer program to unmute appropriate channels. 4. If can not compile the source code, try to rename the /usr/src/linux-2.x -> /usr/src/linux. 5. The driver added to support the SPDIF functoin. 6. a. You can download the alsa-lib-1.0.x and alsa-utils-1.0.x form the www.alsa-project.org, then unzip and install them. b. Suggest use "alsamixer" to control mixer function. c. Used "alsaconf" can autodetect which drive you need to install (step 4). 7. SUSE Distribution must install the ncurses package. From phillw at phillw.net Tue Mar 16 16:47:46 2010 From: phillw at phillw.net (Phill Whiteside) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:47:46 +0000 Subject: [Off Topic] sound car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9dcb7dc41003160947o61a72409ld1ee16f787a708ad@mail.gmail.com> Hi mk360, I popped onto #ubuntu+1 and asked there, below is the transcript of what was said: (16:33:43) phillw: Hi folks, will it be possible to run alsa based sound cards in 10.04, I note it is going to be using pulse. (16:33:54) cwillu_at_work: phillw, pulse uses alsa *cwillu cwillu_at_work * (16:34:32) phillw: cwillu_at_work: thanks, so I just compile the driver as per the instructions and pulse will see it ? (16:35:05) cwillu_at_work: phillw, back up a step, presumably the version of alsa that's already included isn't working? (16:35:24) cwillu_at_work: but yes, that's how it should work (16:35:55) phillw: I'm asking on behalf of one the people in assistive - (16:35:57) phillw: I'm trying to configure an audio sound card on my ubuntu becouse it was (16:35:57) phillw: detected but sounds really low. I downloaded a driver from the manufacturer, (16:35:57) phillw: but I've some doubts. The thing is on the readme file all instructions are (16:35:57) phillw: for alsa, and I don't know if it is aplicable for the new ubuntu systems (16:35:57) phillw: with pulse. my configurations are for karmic or lucid. (16:36:16) cwillu_at_work: phillw, alsa was never replaced (16:36:30) cwillu_at_work: alsa is not a competitor to pulse, they do different things (16:36:34) phillw: cwillu_at_work: it has instructions for doing it with ubuntu, so the OP should be able to use them ? (16:36:48) cwillu_at_work: alsa is what talks to the hardware, pulse is what talks to applications (16:37:33) cwillu_at_work: re: volume levels, I assume you've already checked alsamixer levels? (16:38:32) phillw: I can suggest that the OP tries that, the manual installation looks quite involed !! (16:39:16) kklimonda: phillw: if the drivers has not been added to alsa that doesn't sound good.. (16:40:24) cwillu_at_work: kklimonda, there are drivers, it's just the volume was too low (16:42:05) phillw: cwillu_at_work: I'll ask the OP to check the alsamixer levels. If they look okay, is there anything else to check before manually installing it ? (16:43:53) cwillu_at_work: installing a kernel driver from source should be just about the last possible thing you try. if it detects it at all, and the sound isn't actually distorted, then the driver probably isn't the issue. If it _is_, then you're far better off filing a bug so that it can get fixed properly (to the extent of packaging that driver up ourselves if need be) rather than just applying a workaround (16:44:13) cwillu_at_work: encouraging workarounds just ensures that the bugs don't actually get fixed (16:44:23) phillw: . (16:44:36) cwillu_at_work: so, start with the levels :p (16:44:40) phillw: Okay, many thanks for your help, hopefully, I won't be back ;-) Obviously, if the mixer level does not help, please re-email and I'll have another chat with the people in #ubuntu+1 Regards, Phill. On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:51 PM, mk360 wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to configure an audio sound card on my ubuntu becouse it was > detected but sounds really low. I downloaded a driver from the > manufacturer, > but I've some doubts. The thing is on the readme file all instructions are > for alsa, and I don't know if it is aplicable for the new ubuntu systems > with pulse. my configurations are for karmic or lucid. > > Here is the readme file: > The source code copy from www.alsa-project.org. ver:5.14 > > Linux Source Code for ALC audio codec > > Support Codec list: > > ====AC97 Codec===== > > ALC100,100P > > ALC200,200P > > ALC650D > > ALC650E > > ALC650F > > ALC650 > > ALC655 > > ALC653 > > ALC658 > > ALC658D > > ALC850 > > ALC101 > > ALC202 > > ALC250 > > ALC203 > > ====HD Audio codec ==== > > ALC260 > > ALC262 > > ALC267 > > ALC268 > > ALC259 > > ALC269 > > ALC270 > > ALC272 > > ALC275 > > ALC660 > > ALC660VD > > ALC661 > > ALC662 > > ALC663 > > ALC665 > > ALC670 > > ALC861 > > ALC861VD > > ALC880 > > ALC882 > > ALC883 > > ALC885 > > ALC888 > > ALC889A > > ALC892 > > Installation: > > This Source Code is from www.alsa-project.org. > > For OS installation, please remember add the Development tool kit. > > For driver installation, please follow below steps. > > Automatic install: (Recommend RedHat distribution) > > execute > > ./install > > Note: Ubuntu OS, please use manual install. > > Run commands need to add sudo at first words. > > Manual install: > > Step 1. unzip source code > > tar xfvj alsa-driver-1.0.xx.tar.bz2 > > Step 2. Turn on sound support from kernel config > > (soundcore module, default turn on) > > Step 3. Complied source code > > a. cd alsa-driver-1.0.xx > > b. ./configure (--with-cards=hda-intel)<= for HDA options > > c. make > > d. make install > > e. alsaconf > > Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on the > distribution > > (Please refer to the attached modules.conf) > > > snd-xxxx is the card ID. > > -- Azalia controller --ALC880 ALC882 ALC260 ALC262 ALC883 ALC885 ALC888 > > --- Intel ICH6 ICH7 --------- > > snd-hda-intel > > -- AC97 controller --ALC655 ALC650 ALC250 ALC255 > > --- Intel ICH6 ICH7 , SiS 7012 and NVidia---------- > > snd-intel8x0 > > --- Via8233 Via686a ------------------------------- > > snd-via82xx > > --- ATI Chipset ------------------------------- > > snd-atiixp > > Copy and paste this to the bottom of your /etc/modules.conf or > /etc/modprobe.conf file. > > # ALSA portion > > alias char-major-116 snd > > alias snd-card-0 snd-xxxx > > # OSS/Free portion > > alias char-major-14 soundcore > > alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 > > # card #1 > > alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss > > alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss > > alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss > > alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss > > alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss > > Step 5. reboot your machine > > Step 6. Use the alsamixer the disable mute (All audio line default is mute) > > Must to compile and to install the ALSA library and utility. (Use automatic > install is already install) > > excute alsamixer > > Note: 1. The most detail information, can refer the > alsa-kernel/Documenttation/ALSA-Configuration.txt in the > azx-021705.tar.bz2. > > 2. Kernel Version must be 2.6 or later. > > 3. All mixer channels are muted by default. You must use a native > > or OSS mixer program to unmute appropriate channels. > > 4. If can not compile the source code, try to rename the > /usr/src/linux-2.x -> /usr/src/linux. > > 5. The driver added to support the SPDIF functoin. > > 6. a. You can download the alsa-lib-1.0.x and alsa-utils-1.0.x form the > www.alsa-project.org, then unzip and install them. > > b. Suggest use "alsamixer" to control mixer function. > > c. Used "alsaconf" can autodetect which drive you need to install (step 4). > > 7. SUSE Distribution must install the ncurses package. > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mk.seventhson at gmail.com Tue Mar 16 17:29:31 2010 From: mk.seventhson at gmail.com (mk360) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:29:31 -0300 Subject: [Off Topic] sound car References: <9dcb7dc41003160947o61a72409ld1ee16f787a708ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F72171F918F467F8CE14CB0C3CFA623@seventhson> First of all, thx for you'r interest, now I understand alsa vs pulse better :). I tried with alsamixer seting all values at 100%, but nothing happens... The model is realtek ALC 880. Thanks again. mk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phill Whiteside" To: "mk360" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Off Topic] sound car > Hi mk360, > > I popped onto #ubuntu+1 and asked there, below is the transcript of what > was > said: > > (16:33:43) phillw: Hi folks, will it be possible to run alsa based sound > cards in 10.04, I note it is going to be using pulse. > (16:33:54) cwillu_at_work: phillw, pulse uses alsa > *cwillu cwillu_at_work * > (16:34:32) phillw: cwillu_at_work: thanks, so I just compile the driver as > per the instructions and pulse will see it ? > (16:35:05) cwillu_at_work: phillw, back up a step, presumably the version > of > alsa that's already included isn't working? > (16:35:24) cwillu_at_work: but yes, that's how it should work > (16:35:55) phillw: I'm asking on behalf of one the people in assistive - > (16:35:57) phillw: I'm trying to configure an audio sound card on my > ubuntu > becouse it was > (16:35:57) phillw: detected but sounds really low. I downloaded a driver > from the manufacturer, > (16:35:57) phillw: but I've some doubts. The thing is on the readme file > all > instructions are > (16:35:57) phillw: for alsa, and I don't know if it is aplicable for the > new > ubuntu systems > (16:35:57) phillw: with pulse. my configurations are for karmic or lucid. > (16:36:16) cwillu_at_work: phillw, alsa was never replaced > (16:36:30) cwillu_at_work: alsa is not a competitor to pulse, they do > different things > (16:36:34) phillw: cwillu_at_work: it has instructions for doing it with > ubuntu, so the OP should be able to use them ? > (16:36:48) cwillu_at_work: alsa is what talks to the hardware, pulse is > what > talks to applications > (16:37:33) cwillu_at_work: re: volume levels, I assume you've already > checked alsamixer levels? > (16:38:32) phillw: I can suggest that the OP tries that, the manual > installation looks quite involed !! > (16:39:16) kklimonda: phillw: if the drivers has not been added to alsa > that > doesn't sound good.. > (16:40:24) cwillu_at_work: kklimonda, there are drivers, it's just the > volume was too low > (16:42:05) phillw: cwillu_at_work: I'll ask the OP to check the alsamixer > levels. If they look okay, is there anything else to check before manually > installing it ? > (16:43:53) cwillu_at_work: installing a kernel driver from source should > be > just about the last possible thing you try. if it detects it at all, and > the > sound isn't actually distorted, then the driver probably isn't the issue. > If > it _is_, then you're far better off filing a bug so that it can get fixed > properly (to the extent of packaging that driver up ourselves if need be) > rather than just applying a workaround > (16:44:13) cwillu_at_work: encouraging workarounds just ensures that the > bugs don't actually get fixed > (16:44:23) phillw: . > (16:44:36) cwillu_at_work: so, start with the levels :p > (16:44:40) phillw: Okay, many thanks for your help, hopefully, I won't be > back ;-) > > Obviously, if the mixer level does not help, please re-email and I'll have > another chat with the people in #ubuntu+1 > > Regards, > > Phill. > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:51 PM, mk360 wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to configure an audio sound card on my ubuntu becouse it >> was >> detected but sounds really low. I downloaded a driver from the >> manufacturer, >> but I've some doubts. The thing is on the readme file all instructions >> are >> for alsa, and I don't know if it is aplicable for the new ubuntu systems >> with pulse. my configurations are for karmic or lucid. >> >> Here is the readme file: >> The source code copy from www.alsa-project.org. ver:5.14 >> >> Linux Source Code for ALC audio codec >> >> Support Codec list: >> >> ====AC97 Codec===== >> >> ALC100,100P >> >> ALC200,200P >> >> ALC650D >> >> ALC650E >> >> ALC650F >> >> ALC650 >> >> ALC655 >> >> ALC653 >> >> ALC658 >> >> ALC658D >> >> ALC850 >> >> ALC101 >> >> ALC202 >> >> ALC250 >> >> ALC203 >> >> ====HD Audio codec ==== >> >> ALC260 >> >> ALC262 >> >> ALC267 >> >> ALC268 >> >> ALC259 >> >> ALC269 >> >> ALC270 >> >> ALC272 >> >> ALC275 >> >> ALC660 >> >> ALC660VD >> >> ALC661 >> >> ALC662 >> >> ALC663 >> >> ALC665 >> >> ALC670 >> >> ALC861 >> >> ALC861VD >> >> ALC880 >> >> ALC882 >> >> ALC883 >> >> ALC885 >> >> ALC888 >> >> ALC889A >> >> ALC892 >> >> Installation: >> >> This Source Code is from www.alsa-project.org. >> >> For OS installation, please remember add the Development tool kit. >> >> For driver installation, please follow below steps. >> >> Automatic install: (Recommend RedHat distribution) >> >> execute >> >> ./install >> >> Note: Ubuntu OS, please use manual install. >> >> Run commands need to add sudo at first words. >> >> Manual install: >> >> Step 1. unzip source code >> >> tar xfvj alsa-driver-1.0.xx.tar.bz2 >> >> Step 2. Turn on sound support from kernel config >> >> (soundcore module, default turn on) >> >> Step 3. Complied source code >> >> a. cd alsa-driver-1.0.xx >> >> b. ./configure (--with-cards=hda-intel)<= for HDA options >> >> c. make >> >> d. make install >> >> e. alsaconf >> >> Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on the >> distribution >> >> (Please refer to the attached modules.conf) >> >> >> snd-xxxx is the card ID. >> >> -- Azalia controller --ALC880 ALC882 ALC260 ALC262 ALC883 ALC885 ALC888 >> >> --- Intel ICH6 ICH7 --------- >> >> snd-hda-intel >> >> -- AC97 controller --ALC655 ALC650 ALC250 ALC255 >> >> --- Intel ICH6 ICH7 , SiS 7012 and NVidia---------- >> >> snd-intel8x0 >> >> --- Via8233 Via686a ------------------------------- >> >> snd-via82xx >> >> --- ATI Chipset ------------------------------- >> >> snd-atiixp >> >> Copy and paste this to the bottom of your /etc/modules.conf or >> /etc/modprobe.conf file. >> >> # ALSA portion >> >> alias char-major-116 snd >> >> alias snd-card-0 snd-xxxx >> >> # OSS/Free portion >> >> alias char-major-14 soundcore >> >> alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 >> >> # card #1 >> >> alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss >> >> alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss >> >> alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss >> >> alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss >> >> alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss >> >> Step 5. reboot your machine >> >> Step 6. Use the alsamixer the disable mute (All audio line default is >> mute) >> >> Must to compile and to install the ALSA library and utility. (Use >> automatic >> install is already install) >> >> excute alsamixer >> >> Note: 1. The most detail information, can refer the >> alsa-kernel/Documenttation/ALSA-Configuration.txt in the >> azx-021705.tar.bz2. >> >> 2. Kernel Version must be 2.6 or later. >> >> 3. All mixer channels are muted by default. You must use a native >> >> or OSS mixer program to unmute appropriate channels. >> >> 4. If can not compile the source code, try to rename the >> /usr/src/linux-2.x -> /usr/src/linux. >> >> 5. The driver added to support the SPDIF functoin. >> >> 6. a. You can download the alsa-lib-1.0.x and alsa-utils-1.0.x form the >> www.alsa-project.org, then unzip and install them. >> >> b. Suggest use "alsamixer" to control mixer function. >> >> c. Used "alsaconf" can autodetect which drive you need to install (step >> 4). >> >> 7. SUSE Distribution must install the ncurses package. >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > From mk.seventhson at gmail.com Tue Mar 16 19:01:41 2010 From: mk.seventhson at gmail.com (mk360) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:01:41 -0300 Subject: Lucid updates and hardware Message-ID: <2C239072B0F243ECA5F6388185007F41@seventhson> Hi, I updated my lucid installation the past week, but apparently some packages don't work correctly and I lost many support for my hardware like video card. unfortunately one of this is my network card and now I can't update lucid to fix it (fortunately sound system works). I'm downloading the daily alternate cd to try to update from it, but nothing happens, and it is really a bad situation (cdimage.ubuntu sometimes work slow and its require one day to download and when I try the problem continues). Now, I installed other pc to one friend with lucid and this works correctly (well, it have the problem with sound...) so, any suggestions for my pc? if I need to reinstall how can I choose for the blindnes profile? usually I use f2 and 2 to choose spanish, and f5 3 to choose the profile, but I understand this was changed. It is my procedure to update from cd. sudo apt-cdrom add sudo aptitude full-upgrade. Regards, mk. From phillw at phillw.net Tue Mar 16 19:55:34 2010 From: phillw at phillw.net (Phill Whiteside) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:55:34 +0000 Subject: Fwd: [Off Topic] sound car In-Reply-To: <9dcb7dc41003161254r7fceb9agd30d570d186ba1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9dcb7dc41003160947o61a72409ld1ee16f787a708ad@mail.gmail.com> <5F72171F918F467F8CE14CB0C3CFA623@seventhson> <9dcb7dc41003161254r7fceb9agd30d570d186ba1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9dcb7dc41003161255nac25160wea7560b61bb1fee4@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Phill Whiteside Date: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Off Topic] sound car To: mk360 Hi mk, had another chat on #ubuntu+1 with cwilli (19:47:01) cwillu_at_work: phillw, get him to file a bug Is what (s)he has asked that you do, so they can look into it. As per the previous chat, they'd rather look into it and get a 'correct' fix, than someone do a 'workaround'. In the additional information part of the bug report, please put on that you are filing the bug report as per a request from #ubuntu+1 you can also put in the name of the person I was chatting to. in your case, from the terminal it will be ubuntu-bug alsa To generate the bug report. You do need to have a launchpad login, but after that, it is pretty much all automatic, it will take details from your computer and attach it to the bug-report for the developers to look into. Regards, Phill. On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:29 PM, mk360 wrote: > First of all, thx for you'r interest, now I understand alsa vs pulse > better :). > > I tried with alsamixer seting all values at 100%, but nothing happens... > The model is realtek ALC 880. > > Thanks again. > mk. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phill Whiteside" > To: "mk360" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Off Topic] sound car > > > > Hi mk360, >> >> I popped onto #ubuntu+1 and asked there, below is the transcript of what >> was >> said: >> >> (16:33:43) phillw: Hi folks, will it be possible to run alsa based sound >> cards in 10.04, I note it is going to be using pulse. >> (16:33:54) cwillu_at_work: phillw, pulse uses alsa >> *cwillu cwillu_at_work * >> (16:34:32) phillw: cwillu_at_work: thanks, so I just compile the driver as >> per the instructions and pulse will see it ? >> (16:35:05) cwillu_at_work: phillw, back up a step, presumably the version >> of >> alsa that's already included isn't working? >> (16:35:24) cwillu_at_work: but yes, that's how it should work >> (16:35:55) phillw: I'm asking on behalf of one the people in assistive - >> (16:35:57) phillw: I'm trying to configure an audio sound card on my >> ubuntu >> becouse it was >> (16:35:57) phillw: detected but sounds really low. I downloaded a driver >> from the manufacturer, >> (16:35:57) phillw: but I've some doubts. The thing is on the readme file >> all >> instructions are >> (16:35:57) phillw: for alsa, and I don't know if it is aplicable for the >> new >> ubuntu systems >> (16:35:57) phillw: with pulse. my configurations are for karmic or lucid. >> (16:36:16) cwillu_at_work: phillw, alsa was never replaced >> (16:36:30) cwillu_at_work: alsa is not a competitor to pulse, they do >> different things >> (16:36:34) phillw: cwillu_at_work: it has instructions for doing it with >> ubuntu, so the OP should be able to use them ? >> (16:36:48) cwillu_at_work: alsa is what talks to the hardware, pulse is >> what >> talks to applications >> (16:37:33) cwillu_at_work: re: volume levels, I assume you've already >> checked alsamixer levels? >> (16:38:32) phillw: I can suggest that the OP tries that, the manual >> installation looks quite involed !! >> (16:39:16) kklimonda: phillw: if the drivers has not been added to alsa >> that >> doesn't sound good.. >> (16:40:24) cwillu_at_work: kklimonda, there are drivers, it's just the >> volume was too low >> (16:42:05) phillw: cwillu_at_work: I'll ask the OP to check the alsamixer >> levels. If they look okay, is there anything else to check before manually >> installing it ? >> (16:43:53) cwillu_at_work: installing a kernel driver from source should >> be >> just about the last possible thing you try. if it detects it at all, and >> the >> sound isn't actually distorted, then the driver probably isn't the issue. >> If >> it _is_, then you're far better off filing a bug so that it can get fixed >> properly (to the extent of packaging that driver up ourselves if need be) >> rather than just applying a workaround >> (16:44:13) cwillu_at_work: encouraging workarounds just ensures that the >> bugs don't actually get fixed >> (16:44:23) phillw: . >> (16:44:36) cwillu_at_work: so, start with the levels :p >> (16:44:40) phillw: Okay, many thanks for your help, hopefully, I won't be >> back ;-) >> >> Obviously, if the mixer level does not help, please re-email and I'll have >> another chat with the people in #ubuntu+1 >> >> Regards, >> >> Phill. >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:51 PM, mk360 wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> I'm trying to configure an audio sound card on my ubuntu becouse it was >>> detected but sounds really low. I downloaded a driver from the >>> manufacturer, >>> but I've some doubts. The thing is on the readme file all instructions >>> are >>> for alsa, and I don't know if it is aplicable for the new ubuntu systems >>> with pulse. my configurations are for karmic or lucid. >>> >>> Here is the readme file: >>> The source code copy from www.alsa-project.org. ver:5.14 >>> >>> Linux Source Code for ALC audio codec >>> >>> Support Codec list: >>> >>> ====AC97 Codec===== >>> >>> ALC100,100P >>> >>> ALC200,200P >>> >>> ALC650D >>> >>> ALC650E >>> >>> ALC650F >>> >>> ALC650 >>> >>> ALC655 >>> >>> ALC653 >>> >>> ALC658 >>> >>> ALC658D >>> >>> ALC850 >>> >>> ALC101 >>> >>> ALC202 >>> >>> ALC250 >>> >>> ALC203 >>> >>> ====HD Audio codec ==== >>> >>> ALC260 >>> >>> ALC262 >>> >>> ALC267 >>> >>> ALC268 >>> >>> ALC259 >>> >>> ALC269 >>> >>> ALC270 >>> >>> ALC272 >>> >>> ALC275 >>> >>> ALC660 >>> >>> ALC660VD >>> >>> ALC661 >>> >>> ALC662 >>> >>> ALC663 >>> >>> ALC665 >>> >>> ALC670 >>> >>> ALC861 >>> >>> ALC861VD >>> >>> ALC880 >>> >>> ALC882 >>> >>> ALC883 >>> >>> ALC885 >>> >>> ALC888 >>> >>> ALC889A >>> >>> ALC892 >>> >>> Installation: >>> >>> This Source Code is from www.alsa-project.org. >>> >>> For OS installation, please remember add the Development tool kit. >>> >>> For driver installation, please follow below steps. >>> >>> Automatic install: (Recommend RedHat distribution) >>> >>> execute >>> >>> ./install >>> >>> Note: Ubuntu OS, please use manual install. >>> >>> Run commands need to add sudo at first words. >>> >>> Manual install: >>> >>> Step 1. unzip source code >>> >>> tar xfvj alsa-driver-1.0.xx.tar.bz2 >>> >>> Step 2. Turn on sound support from kernel config >>> >>> (soundcore module, default turn on) >>> >>> Step 3. Complied source code >>> >>> a. cd alsa-driver-1.0.xx >>> >>> b. ./configure (--with-cards=hda-intel)<= for HDA options >>> >>> c. make >>> >>> d. make install >>> >>> e. alsaconf >>> >>> Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on the >>> distribution >>> >>> (Please refer to the attached modules.conf) >>> >>> >>> snd-xxxx is the card ID. >>> >>> -- Azalia controller --ALC880 ALC882 ALC260 ALC262 ALC883 ALC885 ALC888 >>> >>> --- Intel ICH6 ICH7 --------- >>> >>> snd-hda-intel >>> >>> -- AC97 controller --ALC655 ALC650 ALC250 ALC255 >>> >>> --- Intel ICH6 ICH7 , SiS 7012 and NVidia---------- >>> >>> snd-intel8x0 >>> >>> --- Via8233 Via686a ------------------------------- >>> >>> snd-via82xx >>> >>> --- ATI Chipset ------------------------------- >>> >>> snd-atiixp >>> >>> Copy and paste this to the bottom of your /etc/modules.conf or >>> /etc/modprobe.conf file. >>> >>> # ALSA portion >>> >>> alias char-major-116 snd >>> >>> alias snd-card-0 snd-xxxx >>> >>> # OSS/Free portion >>> >>> alias char-major-14 soundcore >>> >>> alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 >>> >>> # card #1 >>> >>> alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss >>> >>> alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss >>> >>> alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss >>> >>> alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss >>> >>> alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss >>> >>> Step 5. reboot your machine >>> >>> Step 6. Use the alsamixer the disable mute (All audio line default is >>> mute) >>> >>> Must to compile and to install the ALSA library and utility. (Use >>> automatic >>> install is already install) >>> >>> excute alsamixer >>> >>> Note: 1. The most detail information, can refer the >>> alsa-kernel/Documenttation/ALSA-Configuration.txt in the >>> azx-021705.tar.bz2. >>> >>> 2. Kernel Version must be 2.6 or later. >>> >>> 3. All mixer channels are muted by default. You must use a native >>> >>> or OSS mixer program to unmute appropriate channels. >>> >>> 4. If can not compile the source code, try to rename the >>> /usr/src/linux-2.x -> /usr/src/linux. >>> >>> 5. The driver added to support the SPDIF functoin. >>> >>> 6. a. You can download the alsa-lib-1.0.x and alsa-utils-1.0.x form the >>> www.alsa-project.org, then unzip and install them. >>> >>> b. Suggest use "alsamixer" to control mixer function. >>> >>> c. Used "alsaconf" can autodetect which drive you need to install (step >>> 4). >>> >>> 7. SUSE Distribution must install the ncurses package. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waywardgeek at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 13:00:09 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:00:09 -0400 Subject: Speakup doesn't speak when I log into a text console In-Reply-To: <4B9F285F.4040501@googlemail.com> References: <4B9F285F.4040501@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <499d69a01003170600o7298d4d5m5cd54257b0b9d453@mail.gmail.com> This is most likely an issue with pulseaudio. I run pulseaudio in system-wide mode, which tends to get rid of such problems. Bill On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:42 AM, John Robinson wrote: > Hi everyone.  I've recently upgraded to the latest version of Lucid but > am having some problems with Speakup used with Espeakup.  Speakup speaks > fine while I'm logging into a text console, but stops speaking > altogether as soon as I have logged in.  It speaks fine as soon as I log > out again.  This happens irrespective of which console I try to log > into.  I've never seen this behaviour before and would very much > appreciate any suggestions as to how to fix this problem. > > Many thanks in advance for any help. > > John Robinson > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Fri Mar 19 16:42:33 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:42:33 +0000 Subject: testing lucid Message-ID: <4ba3a7b5.261bf30a.4f90.1319@mx.google.com> i have been trying to have a look at the next release of ubuntu. i tried doing an upgrade a few times and for some reason the speech either went garbled or it changed language. i have tried the latest cd only it goes through the orca setup and then after asking me if i want to logout and back in again for the accessibility changes to take effect it says wellcome to orca before i make my decision and then when i type y followed by enter i get starting orca preferences followed by a loss of speech. From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Mar 20 08:29:13 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:29:13 +0100 Subject: This day morning upgrades kill my panels with my Lucid system Message-ID: <4BA48759.5060800@pickup.hu> Dear List, When I this day morning installs all upgrades my Lucid system, after the upgrade process is finished, I lost the top and bottom panel, and the Main menu and run dialog shortcuts is not working. This is possible a general problem. Please be careful! Now, I downloading actual Lucid Beta1 release and I look the problem is present with this day live CD or not. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Mar 20 09:54:05 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:54:05 +0100 Subject: This day morning upgrades kill my panels with my Lucid system In-Reply-To: <4BA48759.5060800@pickup.hu> References: <4BA48759.5060800@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4BA49B3D.5030605@pickup.hu> Dear List, Now, I look again have any updates or not after morning updates. Because I see some gnome-panel related updates, I install again all updates. Now, all works fine again. If anybody see my prewious described problem, please try install all system updates with apt-get dist-upgrade command in Lucid. Attila From kb8aey at verizon.net Sat Mar 20 16:18:19 2010 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (Michael Coulombe) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:18:19 -0700 Subject: problems with latest updates Message-ID: <4BA4F54B.80508@verizon.net> I also found my top and bottom panels were gone. Mike. From francesco.fumanti at gmx.net Sat Mar 20 20:31:08 2010 From: francesco.fumanti at gmx.net (Francesco Fumanti) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:31:08 +0100 Subject: Rant about accessibility testing In-Reply-To: <1266600493.2594.46.camel@stormdragon-laptop> References: <499d69a01002190310w13ff6177k30b38b6b5f91bd65@mail.gmail.com> <20100219152505.GA19823@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> <1266600493.2594.46.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Message-ID: <4BA5308C.5070107@gmx.net> Hi, Here is the overvew page with the mailing lists of GNOME: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo Cheers Francesco On 02/19/2010 06:28 PM, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > Does Gnome have a development email list? Seems like maybe we should all > be on there so we can raise hell when they do something um... well... to > put it delicately, stupid lol. > Thanks > Storm > > -- > Follow me on Twitter: > http://www.twitter.com/stormdragon2976 > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: > http://www.stormdragon.us/ > What color dragon are you? > http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/alustriel07/what-color-dragon-would-you-be/ > > > > On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 09:25 -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote: >> Hi. These two issues are caused by upstream Gnome. A bigger question is why >> does Gnome still talk about accessibility but allow programs to enter the desktop without accessibility? >> Ubuntu is caught in the middle. They want to ship an up to date Gnome. It isn't there fault >> that Gnome keeps doing things regularly that break access. >> >> Kenny >> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 06:10:40AM -0500, Bill Cox wrote: >> > Two key pieces of accessibility software in Gnome used to be >> > accessible, but are no longer in Lucid - Yelp and the Ubuntu Software >> > Center. Ubuntu does a terrific job in general insuring packages are >> > functional and not buggy before allowing them into the distro. There >> > must be some check-list for accepting packages at Ubuntu. Why is >> > accessibility not on this list? Isn't this simply a matter of adding >> > one extra item to the list of tasks for a package to be accepted? >> > >> > Ubuntu is in a unique position to improve lives for the disabled. >> > Simply by raising their standards, Ubuntu can raise the standards >> > throughout the FOSS community. I am amazed that Ubuntu has not taken >> > this simple step. Is there any good reason? >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > -- >> > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> From thomaslloyd at yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 17:33:52 2010 From: thomaslloyd at yahoo.com (Thomas Lloyd) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:33:52 +0000 Subject: unimrcp.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1269192832.2337.1.camel@ubuntu10.04> http://www.unimrcp.org/announcements/acapelaspeechsynthesispoweredbyunimrcpopensourceproject From kenny at hittsjunk.net Tue Mar 23 06:36:05 2010 From: kenny at hittsjunk.net (Kenny Hitt) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:36:05 -0500 Subject: unimrcp.org In-Reply-To: <1269192832.2337.1.camel@ubuntu10.04> References: <1269192832.2337.1.camel@ubuntu10.04> Message-ID: <20100323063605.GA24604@blackbox.hittsjunk.net> Hi. just wondering what this has to do with accessibility? >From my reading, you can't get the synth and it won't work with speech-dispatcher. Kenny On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 05:33:52PM +0000, Thomas Lloyd wrote: > > > http://www.unimrcp.org/announcements/acapelaspeechsynthesispoweredbyunimrcpopensourceproject > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From aerospace1028 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 11:35:20 2010 From: aerospace1028 at hotmail.com (aerospace1028 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:35:20 -0400 Subject: upgrade preperations Message-ID: Greetings, I am in the process of making my plan to upgrade to lucid when it is officially released in April. I am currently using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and I want to make sure everything is set for the transition to go as smooth as possible. Some potentially useful background: I'm using a laptop: duel-booting Ubuntu and Windows XP. I HAVE Ubuntu split over two partitions (One for / and one for /home). I maintain regular (monthly) backups of my rootsystem and home directories (each partition gets its own backup). under the settings for software sources and preferences (found under the administration menu of the top pannel: I don't recall the exact name), I currently have my system set to only upgrade to LTS versions of Ubuntu. (A) configuration files? Will my settings in configuration files (I.E. those found in /etc/) remain preserved across the upgrade? Also will anything I added to ~.bashrc be preserved as well? Or will I need to re-tweek these files upon upgrade. (B) custom-builds? I built the git editions of orca, at-spi and atk for the gnome-2.22 system. Will apt-get dist-upgrade automatically replace these with the default versions for lucid, or should I uninstall the git-builds and re-install the repository versions? (C) best upgrade method? I've been switching from apt-get to aptitude for my package-management uses, but from reading the documentation in man, it looks like apt-get dist-upgrade is the recommended method for upgrading distribution releases from the command-line: is this correct? (D) anything else? Are there any other concerns I should be looking at? Useful tidbits to keep in mind? Thank you in advance for your assistance:-) I look forward to getting caught back up with the linux community. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 23 12:45:06 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:45:06 +0100 Subject: What will be happen Firefox accessibility problems with Ubuntu Lucid? Message-ID: <4BA8B7D2.50408@pickup.hu> Dear List, This letter I already sent with Vinux mailing list, but I would like ask your hints: Unfortunately, Firefox 3.6 version containing some possible important accessibility related bugs, with now yet not full fixed: For example: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608149 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609890 Of course this is absolute not Joanmarie mistake. For example, because the second bug is present, the headings list extension is not working correct, see my last comment the second bugreport, we found what the last date version when this extension is working right. I don't no Mozilla Developers when fixing this second bug. Another very disturb issue is following with Firefox 3.6: When I launch Firefox with normal way or a shortcut, impossible to navigate a webpage the arrow keys before I press a Tab key or F5 key, possible the webpage caret is not focused? Another problematic issue is Firefox running with sudo command. When I do this with Firefox 3.6, Firefox is inaccessible with Orca Screen Reader. I don't no what the best strategy with this situation, this is a complex and difficult problem. We downgrade Firefox with 3.5.8 Karmic release after Lucid install? For example, this version is working absolute right? Yesterday I try play this with my PPA, the result is relative good, but unfortunately for example new Firefox PPA package does'nt containing 3.5.8 hungarian translations, I don't no what package generating this translation files. But, Firefox working absolute right with Orca. :-):-) For example, in Lucid have firefox-3.5 package, but ofcourse depending following Firefox version: firefox-3.5 | 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu6 | lucid/universe | all So, I think normal simple way now impossible to toggle back Firefox 3.5 version. Of course, possible install Firefox 3.5.8 version with ubuntuzilla package (not present with Ubuntu repository), but this is difficulting later maintenance when Mozilla developers later fixing this bugs, and if I known right, Ubuntuzilla does'nt install 64 bit version with a 64 bit system. Ubuntu developers what can possible handle this situation? Possible do an official maintenanced method to users possible switch back Firefox 3.5.8 version if want? Attila From pmikeal at comcast.net Tue Mar 23 16:34:00 2010 From: pmikeal at comcast.net (Pia) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: upgrade preperations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have an LTS to LTS upgrade actually work, please report back and let us know. I have been adminning about 150 Ubuntu boxen at work here for 3 years and have never had an LTS to LTS upgrade go smoothly. If you read the docs for Lucid Beta 1 it seems to imply, if you read between the lines, that such an upgrade would only work for servers but not for anything with a GUI. I think your best bet would be to make a back up of your root partition so that it is recent and then do a fresh install, recovering anything from your fresh back up of your root partition that you might need. I personally tend to install a lot of customized programs locally and so my partition scheme includes 4 partitions if you include swap, the others being / and /usr/local and /home That way, I only blow away / when doing an upgrade and my locally installed programs don't get bothered. HTH, Pia On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, aerospace1028 at hotmail.com wrote: > Greetings, > I am in the process of making my plan to upgrade to lucid when it is > officially released in April.  I am currently using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and I > want to make sure everything is set for the transition to go as smooth as > possible. > > Some potentially useful background:  I'm using a laptop: duel-booting Ubuntu > and Windows XP.  I HAVE Ubuntu split over two partitions (One for / and one > for /home).  I maintain regular (monthly) backups of my rootsystem and home > directories (each partition gets its own backup).  under the settings for > software sources and preferences (found under the administration menu of the > top pannel: I don't recall the exact name), I currently have my system set > to only upgrade to LTS versions of Ubuntu. > > (A) configuration files? > Will my settings in configuration files (I.E. those found in /etc/) remain > preserved across the upgrade?  Also will anything I added to ~.bashrc be > preserved as well?  Or will I need to re-tweek these files upon upgrade. > > (B) custom-builds? > I built the git editions of orca, at-spi and atk for the gnome-2.22 system.  > Will apt-get dist-upgrade automatically replace these with the default > versions for lucid, or should I uninstall the git-builds and re-install the > repository versions? > > (C) best upgrade method? > I've been switching from apt-get to aptitude for my package-management uses, > but from reading the documentation in man, it looks like apt-get > dist-upgrade is the recommended method for upgrading distribution releases > from the command-line: is this correct? > > (D) anything else? > Are there any other concerns I should be looking at?  Useful tidbits to keep > in mind? > > Thank you in advance for your assistance:-) > I look forward to getting caught back up with the linux community. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Tue Mar 23 21:03:18 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:03:18 +0000 Subject: installing hardy from live Message-ID: <4ba92abf.11b38c0a.475f.1afd@mx.google.com> how do you install hardy with orca after running the live cd? i ask because at the moment i have got a hardy cd which i burned before experienceing problems with my laptop and i have a copy of lucid beta which will not allow me to login after going through the setup because it says "welcome to orca" just after asking me if i wish to logout after running through the settup. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Wed Mar 24 19:22:07 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:22:07 +0000 Subject: updating ubuntu Message-ID: <4baa6484.12d18e0a.4e69.009c@mx.google.com> i have gone back to ubuntu hardy. when i do an upgrade from the command line do i need to do anything to be able for the upgrades to be located? i notice when i have tried upgrading before from the command line i seem to get the error message "no upgrades found." how do i resolve this if this happens? From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Mar 25 19:58:13 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:58:13 +0000 Subject: upgrading from hardy Message-ID: <4babbe76.11b38c0a.3fb3.062d@mx.google.com> i sent this email to both lists before but it may have been rejected because i might have sent it from the wrong email address when i sent it with my braillenote. if i do a sudo do-release-upgrade, do i need to edit my sourcesddlist file by changing hardy to the next version in each line which starts deb http because at the moment i get something like "no upgrade found. i think i read something once about enabling software sources but if you go into that menu speech stops like it either crashes or it is the sudo problem. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Mar 25 20:18:50 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:18:50 +0000 Subject: upgrading from hardy Message-ID: <4babc34a.11b38c0a.3a85.07da@mx.google.com> i made a slight mistake the error message i get in hardy when i do sudo do-release-upgrade is "release not found" which is odd on a system running hardy so i must be missing a step before i issue that command from the terminal. From aerospace1028 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 26 19:17:15 2010 From: aerospace1028 at hotmail.com (aerospace1028 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:17:15 -0400 Subject: [orca-list] upgrading from hardy Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:35:14 +0000 >From: Michael Weaver >To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com, orca-list at gnome.org >Subject: [orca-list] upgrading from hardy >Message-ID: <94117.24461.qm at smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > >i did a sudo do-release upgrade in hardy and got the error >message "no upgrade found" >how do i resolve this so i can get the next version? >do i need to edit the sourcesddlist file and change any line with >deb http at the beginning to the next distribution name before i >do my sudo-do-release-upgrade? > try checking /etc/update-maneger/release-upgrades (I know /etc/update-maneger/ is the correct directory, I might have the file name off). The setting Prompt should be set to "normal" and not "lts." Otherwise, you won't get a valid release until lucid is "Officially" published in April. My understanding is that if you wish to upgrade from a stable distribution to a development release, you should append the -d flag to either do-release-upgrade or update-manager (which ever update method you prefer). _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pstowe at gmail.com Sat Mar 27 11:12:20 2010 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:12:20 -0400 Subject: Hiya - Question about Dasher Message-ID: Hiya, I'm new to this list, although not particularly new to Ubuntu. I have mobility issues that are getting worse and make typing difficult. So I have a couple questions: 1) Are there any other Dasher users out there? I've been using Dasher on MacOS and much prefer it over voice recognition (part of my condition means sometimes I slur), however when I downloaded Dasher on Karmic using the Software Center, it won't let me input to other programs, just into itself which means I have to copy/paste to really do anything useful. Is there a Linux version where I can just input directly to other programs? (I know doing so is now possible in MacOS and Windows) The help pages say "open the options menu", but I have yet to find an options menu in the Linux port and there's nothing in preferences or anywhere else I've looked. 2) Does anyone have a voice recognition solution that works on Ubuntu? I've seen the lists of "this is what's out there", but I've not seen any sort of real direction of "this is how to make it work" or anyone saying "this has worked well for me" and I don't have the time or energy to fiddle around with things. I'm also reluctant to buy Dragon and run it under Wine just because I already have bought MacSpeech Dictate for my Mac and don't have much money so am trying not to spend more. Thanks! Penelope From waywardgeek at gmail.com Sat Mar 27 19:07:48 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:07:48 -0400 Subject: Fix to ubiquity Message-ID: <499d69a01003271207g31b08549k83cfccfd47dc40b2@mail.gmail.com> When installing with screen reader enabled, ubiquity stops talking about half the time, which is very frustrating for blind users. I've been able to get it to work reliably, with only two edits. First in /usr/bin/ubiquity, change the call from gksu to sudo: toexec = ['gksudo', '--preserve-env'] if desktop: toexec.extend(['--desktop', desktop]) toexec.append('--') Should be just: toexec = ['sudo', '-E'] The second thing is more minor. If you select a large font, and install in a VirtualBox machine, with an 800x600 display, then ubquity hangs when the partitioner screen starts. This is caused by a one-line bug in /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py. Just comment out line 554, the last line of win_size_req: widget.resize(w, h) should be: #widget.resize(w, h) Bill From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Mar 28 06:04:53 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:04:53 +0200 Subject: Fix to ubiquity In-Reply-To: <499d69a01003271207g31b08549k83cfccfd47dc40b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a01003271207g31b08549k83cfccfd47dc40b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BAEF185.1010308@pickup.hu> Dear Bill, With bksu/sudo modification, possible not simplest modify only the /usr/share/applications/ubiquity-gtkui.desktop file with exec line? For example, when I do custom live CD, I modifyed the following line in the live CD extracted chroot file system, and working right: Exec=sudo ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui I tryed this method, and Orca does'nt silent entire installation. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Mar 28 10:17:06 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:17:06 +0200 Subject: Fix to ubiquity In-Reply-To: <499d69a01003280132y1ba04975p82ba604144d3dce6@mail.gmail.com> References: <499d69a01003271207g31b08549k83cfccfd47dc40b2@mail.gmail.com> <4BAEF185.1010308@pickup.hu> <499d69a01003280132y1ba04975p82ba604144d3dce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BAF2CA2.1060900@pickup.hu> Sorry, my letter prewious sent private. Ok Bill, I understand. You do a bugreport with this problem? If yes, send me a link. Your fix method working equals right my method? If I using my method, Orca correct working entire installation, and correct spokening the install finished message. And, when the installation is doing after the 7th step, possible switch another application, launch Firefox and browsing webpages, etc. But, your fix method is simplest, I think easy implementing a fix patch with this two problem. I maked a test patch with fix two problem with one patch, please test. If the patch working right, fix your two problem. Please download the ubiquity source code with apt-get source ubiquity command, and apply the patch with following command: patch -p0 From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Mar 28 11:47:45 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:47:45 +0200 Subject: Fix to ubiquity In-Reply-To: <4BAF2CA2.1060900@pickup.hu> References: <499d69a01003271207g31b08549k83cfccfd47dc40b2@mail.gmail.com> <4BAEF185.1010308@pickup.hu> <499d69a01003280132y1ba04975p82ba604144d3dce6@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF2CA2.1060900@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4BAF41E1.7050203@pickup.hu> I do a custom live CD and test the new modifyed version. When the desktop exec line is not containing sudo prefix, the installer is not launched if I click the desktop icon. I copyed the command line with desktop file, and running with terminal. sudo give a invalid switch error message. If I add sudo prefix with installer desktop properties with command field, all works fine, Orca is wonderful talking entire installation Sending a modifyed patch with fixing Bill wroted two problem, and modify the needed desktop.in file with the source directory. Tomorrow I test the modifyed version with containing bot three changes. Attila -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 29 06:38:32 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:38:32 +0200 Subject: Fix to ubiquity In-Reply-To: <4BAF41E1.7050203@pickup.hu> References: <499d69a01003271207g31b08549k83cfccfd47dc40b2@mail.gmail.com> <4BAEF185.1010308@pickup.hu> <499d69a01003280132y1ba04975p82ba604144d3dce6@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF2CA2.1060900@pickup.hu> <4BAF41E1.7050203@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4BB04AE8.8080808@pickup.hu> I have good news, my second sent patch works absolute correct. When I clicking the desktop icon with my new Custom Ubuntu Lucid live CD, the modifyed installer launch absolute correct. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 29 07:33:47 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:33:47 +0200 Subject: Fix to ubiquity In-Reply-To: <4BB04AE8.8080808@pickup.hu> References: <499d69a01003271207g31b08549k83cfccfd47dc40b2@mail.gmail.com> <4BAEF185.1010308@pickup.hu> <499d69a01003280132y1ba04975p82ba604144d3dce6@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF2CA2.1060900@pickup.hu> <4BAF41E1.7050203@pickup.hu> <4BB04AE8.8080808@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4BB057DB.4030702@pickup.hu> I opened this problem a bugreport, and attached the second good working tested patch. I hope the developers apply this patch. The link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/550717 Bill, please confirm this bug and write a comment if you have a little time. Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Mon Mar 29 11:02:51 2010 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (jose vilmar estacio de souza) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:02:51 -0300 Subject: accessible login Message-ID: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> Hi all, Yesterday I installed 10.4 in my machine with success. After I upgrade the system, orca no longer announce the loggin screen. Any idea? Thanks. From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 29 11:44:51 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:44:51 +0200 Subject: accessible login In-Reply-To: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> References: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> Hy Jose, What result shows following command in gnome-terminal with your system? sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled This command need write with one line. If any get back result is false, need you do following command: sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled true This command need write with one line in gnome-terminal. After this command, try restart your system. Works after this step this feature with you? My machine accessible login is working perfect now. But, I think now not happened GDM upgrade. If GDM upgrade is happening, the prewious you configured settings is owerwritten with default GDM schemas, and need you reconfigure this two setting and restart the system. I think this is a known issue, but I haven't got an ydea how can possible fix this. The ideal fix purpose this is not happening if the accessible login feature is preconfigured with an accessible install with screen reader mode, but, I think this is impossible. Or possible set this settings for example /etc/gdm/custon.conf file? Anybody have ydea how can possible do this? For example if this is possible do, possible working. I see following related problem with this feature: If not happening gdm upgrade, But, some time if any bigger upgrade is happened, next restart this feature is not working, independent with this two setting is true or not. For example, some time this two setting is setted true and the prewious wroted gconftool get command give true results, but this feature is not working before I not login back and not logging again. Anybody confirm this problem? Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Mon Mar 29 14:13:39 2010 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:13:39 -0300 Subject: accessible login In-Reply-To: <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> References: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4BB0B593.2030807@informal.com.br> Hi, On 03/29/2010 08:44 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Jose, > > What result shows following command in gnome-terminal with your system? > sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled > This command need write with one line. > The result returned is false. > If any get back result is false, need you do following command: > sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -s -t bool > /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true > /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled true > This command need write with one line in gnome-terminal. > After this command, try restart your system. > Works after this step this feature with you? My machine accessible login > is working perfect now. > I'll try later, as soon I arrive at home. > Thanks. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Mon Mar 29 14:19:25 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:19:25 +0100 Subject: alte~rnate karmic and lucid cds Message-ID: <4bb0b4fe.10cf8e0a.0e42.32eb@mx.google.com> can the alternate cds for either karmic or lucid be used to install ubuntu and give speech feedback? From linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 14:26:34 2010 From: linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com (Alex H.) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:26:34 -0400 Subject: alte~rnate karmic and lucid cds In-Reply-To: <4bb0b4fe.10cf8e0a.0e42.32eb@mx.google.com> References: <4bb0b4fe.10cf8e0a.0e42.32eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <33dd3b861003290726y32608d71o180dfc1b80cbef49@mail.gmail.com> The alternate install doesn't have speech as far as I'm aware. Neither does the minimal net install CD. Alex On 3/29/10, michael weaver wrote: > can the alternate cds for either karmic or lucid be used to > install ubuntu and give speech feedback? > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From waywardgeek at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 15:36:50 2010 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:36:50 -0400 Subject: accessible login In-Reply-To: <4BB0B593.2030807@informal.com.br> References: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> <4BB0B593.2030807@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <499d69a01003290836x2e0cccc4j988a9b3d2b5faf0@mail.gmail.com> I prefer to set this option as a global default value. That, when users update their system and gdm is upgraded, they still have a talking login. The command I use is: gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled true That should fix the problem long-term. Bill 2010/3/29 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza : > Hi, > On 03/29/2010 08:44 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: >> Hy Jose, >> >> What result shows following command in gnome-terminal with your system? >> sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility >> /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled >> This command need write with one line. >> > The result returned is false. > >> If any get back result is false, need you do following command: >> sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -s -t bool >> /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true >> /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled true >> This command need write with one line in gnome-terminal. >> After this command, try restart your system. >> Works after this step this feature with you? My machine accessible login >> is working perfect now. >> I'll try later, as soon I arrive at home. >> > Thanks. > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 29 16:33:32 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:33:32 +0200 Subject: accessible login In-Reply-To: <499d69a01003290836x2e0cccc4j988a9b3d2b5faf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> <4BB0B593.2030807@informal.com.br> <499d69a01003290836x2e0cccc4j988a9b3d2b5faf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BB0D65C.5030906@pickup.hu> Thanks Bill, I try. The 30-accessibility casper script is not applying your suggested command with target system now? Your openion the developers do this in future? If yes, I try do a patch with fix this problem, but need known what package containing the 30accessibility scripts. Attila From pstowe at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 16:43:06 2010 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:43:06 -0400 Subject: Hiya - Question about Dasher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've gotten one response to this message (sent directly to me), which I do appreciate. Does anyone else have any Dasher experience? I'm especially interested on inputting directly to other applications using Ubuntu. If this is something not possible yet, I have no problem telling the Dasher people I want it, but I wasn't sure if there was a more up to date PPA or something I was missing or anything? Thanks! Penelope From weavermicha at googlemail.com Mon Mar 29 20:32:54 2010 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:32:54 +0100 Subject: upgrading ubuntu Message-ID: <4bb10c85.27f98e0a.4e52.4923@mx.google.com> i looked at the instructions for upgrading from hardy or karmic to lucid and it states to do an upgrade do alt plus f2, update-manager dash d, enter and follow the instructions to do a desktop upgrade. i looked at the instructions i typed and i think the sudo do-upgrade-release dash d does a server upgrade which might have been the reason why my attepts to upgrade crash. if i am going to have to do any upgrade via the up-date manager, after i have typed my password after chosing the ok button to upgrade, do i need to press space or enter again after i have been asked for my password and okayed the password as i am assuming that it doesn't start straight away after doing okay after typing my admin password. i am guessing that after entering or spacing on okay to accept my password i need to find the actual button to start the upgrade. is the button that starts the actual upgrade the default button in the dialogue box which is unaccessible because of the sudo problem or how many times do i need to press tab before i can accept and beginn my upgrade? From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Mar 29 20:46:02 2010 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (Mike Coulombe) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:46:02 -0700 Subject: orca and mouse setting Message-ID: <4BB1118A.8000905@verizon.net> Hi, will the object under mouse setting be fixed by final release? Anytime I turn it on my system crashees. Mike. From vilmar at informal.com.br Tue Mar 30 01:49:00 2010 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:49:00 -0300 Subject: accessible login In-Reply-To: <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> References: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4BB1588C.2050406@informal.com.br> Hi, On 03/29/2010 08:44 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > If any get back result is false, need you do following command: > sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -s -t bool > /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true > /desktop/gnome/applications/at/screen_reader_enabled true > This command need write with one line in gnome-terminal. > After this command, try restart your system. > Works after this step this feature with you? My machine accessible login > is working perfect now. > Works like a charm, even after I update the system again. Thanks. From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 30 09:24:09 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:24:09 +0200 Subject: accessible login In-Reply-To: <4BB0D65C.5030906@pickup.hu> References: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> <4BB0B593.2030807@informal.com.br> <499d69a01003290836x2e0cccc4j988a9b3d2b5faf0@mail.gmail.com> <4BB0D65C.5030906@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4BB1C339.3060404@pickup.hu> With this day morning, I maked a test patch with changing in casper source package the ubiquity-hooks/30accessibility script with Bill suggested GDM settings. I changed entire the GDM accessible login configuration mehanishm, now after the change, the script configuring all important GDM accessible login settings with system vide settings during the installation in target system. I do my testing purpose a modifyed live CD, and install the patched ubiquity-casper package. I see following results when installation is happened: In next restart, GDM is of course talking fine, my changed settings is correct setted with target system. This is not surprise me, every time happening this with old mehanishm. After this, I do a full apt-get dist-upgrade command, because now we known this day morning have GDM upgrade, this is absolute ideal situation for this change testing. After the dist-upgrade process is finished, I restart my system. Now following the surprise, but very good result: GDMAccessible login feature absolute correct working fine my machine, Orca is wonderful talking, independent with GDM upgrade. Thank you Bill the yesterday suggestion. I opened a bugreport with this need change modification, and attached my patch. The link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/551515 I very hope Ubuntu Core developers apply this patch. Please anybody give this bugreport and my Ubiquity related sent bugreport with a confirmed status. When I morning working this patch, I have got an ydea, but now I not implementing this before I ask your openions: What your openion, need copy the actual live user .orca folder with target system /var/lib/gdm folder if blindness profile is selected? The advantage of this change is following: For example, if the user do any Orca setting change before the installation (changing keybindings, keyboard layout, speech rate etc), now the .orca folder is moved the new created user home folder with target system. Possible need do this operation with var/lib/gdm folder, because equals settings need apply with first user and GDM login screen if this change is implemented. If we not do this, in GDM, Orca is using desktop keyboard layout for example a laptop PC I think, using slowest speech rate, etc. For example, now my first step after installation is copy my home directory .orca folder with /var/lib/gdm folder with following command: sudo cp -r .orca /var/lib/gdm Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 30 11:04:30 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:04:30 +0200 Subject: accessible login In-Reply-To: <4BB1C339.3060404@pickup.hu> References: <4BB088DB.4020109@informal.com.br> <4BB092B3.2080401@pickup.hu> <4BB0B593.2030807@informal.com.br> <499d69a01003290836x2e0cccc4j988a9b3d2b5faf0@mail.gmail.com> <4BB0D65C.5030906@pickup.hu> <4BB1C339.3060404@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4BB1DABE.5000903@pickup.hu> My second ydea (copy automatical the live user .orca folder with target system /var/lib/gdm folder during installation) is implemented now. I tested the second revision my patch with new clean installation, works fine after restart. I changed Orca keyboard layout with Laptop keyboard layout because I using a notebook, changing speech rate to 80%, etc after the live CD logged in. With next restart, Orca is changed values used. Bill, if the core developers apply my second patch, not disturb the Vinux project this change. I am absolute sure this, because when my custom live CD is booted, the live filesystem /etc/skel/.orca folder is copyed automaticaly with live user home directory before login, and this modifyed .orca folder copyed the var/lib/gdm folder. So, this change is absolute safe. Attila From aerospace1028 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 30 11:14:11 2010 From: aerospace1028 at hotmail.com (aerospace1028 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:14:11 -0400 Subject: upgrading ubuntu Message-ID: Greetings, I'm still in the process of researching the upgrade options myself for migrating from 8.04 to 10.04. I am a little nervous about the sparse documentation for do-release-upgrade. In fact, the only documentation I have found is the do-release-upgrade --help flag. The help flag syas there are four (4) valid options to pass to do-release-upgrade: -d for upgradng to development versions -h for the help list -p [I forget what this on is, I'm not at my ubutu machine at the oment] -m mode to determine which upgrade path to take [mode = server | desktop] Since it appears you are trying to get to the current development version of lucid, the command you would use is: #do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop (I assume this is ment to be run with elovated privilages, hence "#") I haven't tried this yet myself. If you decide to attempt this, I would apreciate a report of any errors/success you encounter. good luck, and hopefully you getyour upgrade to work soon:-) >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:32:54 +0100 >From: michael weaver >Subject: upgrading ubuntu >To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >Message-ID: <4bb10c85.27f98e0a.4e52.4923 at mx.google.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > >i looked at the instructions for upgrading from hardy or karmic >to lucid and it states to do an upgrade do alt plus f2, >update-manager dash d, enter and follow the instructions to do a >desktop upgrade. >i looked at the instructions i typed and i think the sudo >do-upgrade-release dash d does a server upgrade which might have >been the reason why my attepts to upgrade crash. >if i am going to have to do any upgrade via the up-date manager, >after i have typed my password after chosing the ok button to >upgrade, do i need to press space or enter again after i have >been asked for my password and okayed the password as i am >assuming that it doesn't start straight away after doing okay >after typing my admin password. >i am guessing that after entering or spacing on okay to accept my >password i need to find the actual button to start the upgrade. >is the button that starts the actual upgrade the default button >in the dialogue box which is unaccessible because of the sudo >problem or how many times do i need to press tab before i can >.accept and beginn my upgrade? > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. 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From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Mar 31 03:14:00 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:14:00 +0200 Subject: accessible login and restart In-Reply-To: <4BB25344.20206@informal.com.br> References: <4BB25344.20206@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4BB2BDF8.6080302@pickup.hu> Hy Jose, Try following change your system: I handle this problem with following way my system: In my home directory, I add following line in end of the ~/.bash_logout file: killall speech-dispatcher In /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default file, I add following line before the exit 0 line: killall speech-dispatcher This two modification working me, Orca is launched correct when I logout. Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Mar 31 14:41:11 2010 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:41:11 -0300 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid Message-ID: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> Hi all, I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of version 3.6. In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. What can I do? Thanks. From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Mar 31 16:11:55 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:11:55 +0200 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid In-Reply-To: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> References: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4BB3744B.4050709@pickup.hu> Jose, I absolute agree your letter. For example, try ubuntuzilla package (not part with Ubuntu repository). The possible download links is following: http://ubuntuzilla.com/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/ubuntuzilla/4.4.3/ I think Ubuntuzilla supports switch you another firefox versions, but I don't no support oldest version switch. Luke, Not possible do choose way in 10.04 with Firefox 3.6 and oldest good work Firefox-3.5.8 version? In 3.5.8 version accessibility support is better with 3.6 version. Attila From j.schmude at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 16:13:03 2010 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:13:03 -0400 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid In-Reply-To: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> References: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as it should be? That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for i386 from: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or else find an unofficial compiled version. hth On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > Hi all, > I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of > version 3.6. > In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. > What can I do? > Thanks. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzdI4ACgkQybLrVJs+Wi4rcgCeP8eCTZAxTAE77fCJRnvesQLn y0MAnRgWSmvo6uJByVr650g+D/t0Rq2x =sRIJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Mar 31 16:44:36 2010 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:44:36 -0300 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid In-Reply-To: <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> References: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BB37BF4.5010901@informal.com.br> Hi, I am running the following version: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100308 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6 On 03/31/2010 01:13 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? > That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for > i386 from: > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases > They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea > why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or > else find an unofficial compiled version. > > hth > > > On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of >> version 3.6. >> In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. >> What can I do? >> Thanks. >> >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAkuzdI4ACgkQybLrVJs+Wi4rcgCeP8eCTZAxTAE77fCJRnvesQLn > y0MAnRgWSmvo6uJByVr650g+D/t0Rq2x > =sRIJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From j.schmude at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 18:51:37 2010 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:51:37 -0400 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid In-Reply-To: <4BB37BF4.5010901@informal.com.br> References: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> <4BB37BF4.5010901@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4BB399B9.8030308@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, that explains it. That's not the latest gecko revision, the latest is 1.9.2.2. My Firefox 3.6.2 revision reads as follows (note I'm using the Mozilla binary): Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2) Gecko/20100316 Firefox/3.6.2 Sounds like Lucid's Firefox packages need updating. On 03/31/2010 12:44 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > I am running the following version: > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100308 > Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6 > > > On 03/31/2010 01:13 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? > That being said, for Firefox 3.5 you can download a Mozilla binary for > i386 from: > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases > They don't have compiled binaries for 64-bit though and I have no idea > why. If you're using 64-bit Linux you'll have to compile it yourself or > else find an unofficial compiled version. > > hth > > > On 03/31/2010 10:41 AM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > >>>> Hi all, >>>> I'd like to use the 3.5 version of firefox at ubuntu 10.04 instead of >>>> version 3.6. >>>> In my opinion the accessibility with version 3.6 is not very good. >>>> What can I do? >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzmbgACgkQybLrVJs+Wi7eKgCggLAyzoiQN/jiuOsbfAaEIO/5 wCQAnijBxhfoqSvbBsNV8/zBbirrfMif =YguK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Mar 31 22:04:42 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:04:42 +1100 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid In-Reply-To: <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> References: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100331220442.GB29565@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:13:03AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi > Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using > it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to > some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks > weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come > across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work > fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 > that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as > it should be? Probably not, and likely won't be. Firefox is a complex beast, and since its tightly integrated into the desktop, its a big process to update, so much so that we have a dedicated firefox maintainer on the desktop team. Since we are coming up to our second beta release, there is little to no chance that the latest firefox 3.6 updates will get in, at least before final release. New minor upstream releases of 3.6 may get in post release however, so keep a look out. Luke From j.schmude at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 22:08:35 2010 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:08:35 -0400 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid In-Reply-To: <20100331220442.GB29565@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> <20100331220442.GB29565@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4BB3C7E3.7@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we *need*. On 03/31/2010 06:04 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:13:03AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi >> Does Lucid not have the absolute latest Firefox 3.6.2? I've been using >> it on Karmic for a week or so now and actually prefer it to 3.5 due to >> some serious speed improvements. I remember seeing that bookmarks >> weren't accessible in 3.6 either, but so far I've honestly not come >> across it. The bookmarks menu, sidebar, and organize dialogs all work >> fine for me. Note that there was a small, approx 700k, update to 3.6.2 >> that seemed to resolve these problems. Perhaps Lucid isn't as updated as >> it should be? > > Probably not, and likely won't be. Firefox is a complex beast, and since its tightly integrated into the desktop, its a big process to update, so much so that we have a dedicated firefox maintainer on the desktop team. Since we are coming up to our second beta release, there is little to no chance that the latest firefox 3.6 updates will get in, at least before final release. New minor upstream releases of 3.6 may get in post release however, so keep a look out. > > Luke > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuzx+MACgkQybLrVJs+Wi6x2QCggc6ZzTuWrsxHeaIX4YLnMtwu 4EwAmgLoiJeOOXzXewCgqsxar+XT/WeF =W6+T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Mar 31 22:25:27 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:25:27 +1100 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid In-Reply-To: <4BB3C7E3.7@gmail.com> References: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> <20100331220442.GB29565@strigy.yelavich.home> <4BB3C7E3.7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100331222526.GD29565@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:08:35AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this > do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the > Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps > to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we *need*. May I suggest that if anyone wants to push Canonical to focus on more accessibility, then you need to tell them. I can only do so much, and as part of my job, I do as much as I damn well can. Please also bare in mind there is a development process to follow, and especially for a long term support release, we need to be very clear cut about when we stop accepting new upstream versions of a package. Because my duties are not all working on accessibility, I can only do so much to try and get things to the latest version, and even I miss things from time to time, particularly if they are only mentioned on a mailing list. I am happy to go through with people, to explain how the development release process works, but you have to realise there is a lot more at stake than just accessibility when updating big packages, particularly this late in the release. I would love to work on accessibility more than I do now, however I have other important duties, and I think the only way things can change is if the people who care about accessibility other than myself, make it known to Canonical that they feel accessibility is important. Oh and no offence taken. Luke From phillw at phillw.net Wed Mar 31 22:43:45 2010 From: phillw at phillw.net (Phill Whiteside) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:43:45 +0100 Subject: firefox 3.6 under lucid In-Reply-To: <20100331222526.GD29565@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4BB35F07.1090905@informal.com.br> <4BB3748F.8040206@gmail.com> <20100331220442.GB29565@strigy.yelavich.home> <4BB3C7E3.7@gmail.com> <20100331222526.GD29565@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: Hi Luke, A slightly different twist. Those who wish to add the daily build from mozzila are welcome to do so. If, perhaps, mozilla took a bit more care over accessibility issues being caused by their releases, the Ubuntu team wouldn't have to 'wipe their bottoms for them' and you wouldn't have to listen to "The last Firefox release broke accessibility". The Ubuntu team have a lot of things to focus on, the Firefox team at Mozilla have only Firefox to worry about. Just my $0.02 Keep up the good work. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:08:35AM EST, Jacob Schmude wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Look, I don't mean to offend, but you do realize what things like this > > do to the impression of Ubuntu's accessibility and the commitment the > > Ubuntu team supposedly has to it? They're not even willing to take steps > > to fix Firefox for accessibility. The web browser, a core program we > *need*. > > May I suggest that if anyone wants to push Canonical to focus on more > accessibility, then you need to tell them. I can only do so much, and as > part of my job, I do as much as I damn well can. > > Please also bare in mind there is a development process to follow, and > especially for a long term support release, we need to be very clear cut > about when we stop accepting new upstream versions of a package. Because my > duties are not all working on accessibility, I can only do so much to try > and get things to the latest version, and even I miss things from time to > time, particularly if they are only mentioned on a mailing list. > > I am happy to go through with people, to explain how the development > release process works, but you have to realise there is a lot more at stake > than just accessibility when updating big packages, particularly this late > in the release. > > I would love to work on accessibility more than I do now, however I have > other important duties, and I think the only way things can change is if the > people who care about accessibility other than myself, make it known to > Canonical that they feel accessibility is important. > > Oh and no offence taken. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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