From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Oct 4 04:57:28 2010 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:57:28 +0200 Subject: A possible bug with Maverick accessible login function, and a sure bug with casper 30accessibility script In-Reply-To: <4CA2F9E5.3090305@pickup.hu> References: <4CA1E219.8080206@pickup.hu> <20100929005015.GB27697@strigy> <4CA2E291.2080101@pickup.hu> <4CA2F4A8.4090809@pickup.hu> <4CA2F9E5.3090305@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4CA95EB8.2060705@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, possible verify/commit my 2010-09-29 doed 30accessibility script related second bug fix patch? I no, Ubuntu 10.10 is now RC status and have final freeze. The bugreport link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/650846 If this commit is not possible under Maverick Casper package, only next future 11.04 release containing this fix? Attila From gErvin at cableone.net Fri Oct 8 14:26:17 2010 From: gErvin at cableone.net (Glenn Ervin) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:26:17 -0500 Subject: parted help Message-ID: Hi, I reinstalled Vista on my laptop, but it only gave me 25GB, out of my 160 GB drive, and I need more. I am in the live CD of Ubuntu, and in the terminal, I opened parted, and I am selecting the partition with /dev/sda1, and I plan on resizing it. When I run the resize command, it wants a start point, and I am wondering what to put for a start point. I guess /dev/sda0 is the boot partition of 512 MB, so maybe I am okay to start with zero for a start point? Thanks for any suggestions here. Glenn ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16040) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From gErvin at cableone.net Fri Oct 8 15:05:08 2010 From: gErvin at cableone.net (Glenn Ervin) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:05:08 -0500 Subject: more on partitioning Message-ID: Hi, In Ubuntu, I went to the terminal, and in parted, I ran resize, and gave it 32kb, which it offered as a start point, and 125 for an end point. Then it came back and said that it cannot support the file system. I thought that Ubuntu supported NTFS. How do I go about increasing the size of my 25.8 GB partition using Ubuntu? Thanks ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16040) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Oct 8 16:24:19 2010 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:24:19 -0600 Subject: more on partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101008102419.78dfab09@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:05:08 -0500 "Glenn Ervin" wrote: > Hi, > In Ubuntu, I went to the terminal, and in parted, I ran resize, and gave it > 32kb, which it offered as a start point, and 125 for an end point. > Then it came back and said that it cannot support the file system. > I thought that Ubuntu supported NTFS. > How do I go about increasing the size of my 25.8 GB partition using Ubuntu? > Thanks > > I am not that familiar with parted, but I think gparted does support ntfs. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMr0WzAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAsSoH/RmLdeotubHJuGMnfyVFbbhU mwf2VNiyVITGRdW/vBcoYOtbKvdYzG+ESGNGh1VICAR+6ZUmRiiYwMYBmBXsp8jE IT0j/9OhPFObFaDL6qwyAaxyf9s5CPYXyrV6E560rb583uG5cV/zlAa0iwW8xwSn +ymA4lkhCMzXm2AuUJbCGgW/Tsmcs1kPbQg6K3qJ71Czysxy888C20touPbBFGIr Mf42zBzns0YzUvn5RGM1U7wI8i2hZ9I6lxjnKmkQF0Ce8HX8LcssftMuY5QO5uHr 9lBBDuN0+KB3C1Axltj9QSPuveBBr0hjQlrTZt9JP6HVYx4jmtR0GqTGA4dVJG8= =6dRL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdashiel at shellworld.net Fri Oct 8 23:33:17 2010 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: more on partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, see if info or man pages for parted are on line so those can be read with google. If not, parted.doc may be in some directory on your disk. You might want to try mandb --quiet before you do any of this since if you don't have a manpages index it'll be a bit difficult to find existing documentation.On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Glenn Ervin wrote: > Hi, > In Ubuntu, I went to the terminal, and in parted, I ran resize, and gave it > 32kb, which it offered as a start point, and 125 for an end point. > Then it came back and said that it cannot support the file system. > I thought that Ubuntu supported NTFS. > How do I go about increasing the size of my 25.8 GB partition using Ubuntu? > Thanks > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16040) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 20:57:48 2010 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:57:48 -0400 Subject: Unity and Orca? Message-ID: <4CB228CC.4030500@gmail.com> Does anyone have experience running the new Unity interface and the version of Orca that ships as part of 10.10? Thanks, Dave From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Oct 10 22:08:37 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:08:37 +1100 Subject: Unity and Orca? In-Reply-To: <4CB228CC.4030500@gmail.com> References: <4CB228CC.4030500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101010220837.GA2510@strigy> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 07:57:48AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: > Does anyone have experience running the new Unity interface and the > version of Orca that ships as part of 10.10? I tried using orca with unity a week or so back, and I can tell you that it doesn't work, for the vast majority of the unity shell. Such pieces as indicator menus for sound/session, and network manager are accessible, however you can only get to them with the mouse. If you were to open nautilus, you can navigate files/do whatever you can do normally within that nautilus window. Shortcut keys for opening the terminal still exist, and the terminal is accessible, but thats it. Unity uses the clutter toolkit, which is getting accessibility support upstream, but the version in maverick has no accessibility support. I am not sure what the plans are for Natty. Luke From guyster104 at att.net Sun Oct 10 23:16:21 2010 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:16:21 -0400 Subject: Unity and Orca? In-Reply-To: <20101010220837.GA2510@strigy> References: <4CB228CC.4030500@gmail.com> <20101010220837.GA2510@strigy> Message-ID: <4CB24945.60801@att.net> I'm seeing the same problem with unity and orca. Accessibility is great once you get into a program, but getting there is another thing. Is there a way to remove unity and go back to a two-pannel configuration like on the desktop, or the netbook interface available in Lucid? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. One thing I considered was to go to the keyboard shortcuts menu and set up shortcuts for commonly used apps. Thanks in advance for the help. Thanks, Guy On 10/10/2010 06:08 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 07:57:48AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: >> Does anyone have experience running the new Unity interface and the >> version of Orca that ships as part of 10.10? > I tried using orca with unity a week or so back, and I can tell you that it doesn't work, for the vast majority of the unity shell. Such pieces as indicator menus for sound/session, and network manager are accessible, however you can only get to them with the mouse. If you were to open nautilus, you can navigate files/do whatever you can do normally within that nautilus window. Shortcut keys for opening the terminal still exist, and the terminal is accessible, but thats it. > > Unity uses the clutter toolkit, which is getting accessibility support upstream, but the version in maverick has no accessibility support. I am not sure what the plans are for Natty. > > Luke > From luke.yelavich at canonical.com Sun Oct 10 23:29:21 2010 From: luke.yelavich at canonical.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:29:21 +1100 Subject: Unity and Orca? In-Reply-To: <4CB24945.60801@att.net> References: <4CB228CC.4030500@gmail.com> <20101010220837.GA2510@strigy> <4CB24945.60801@att.net> Message-ID: <20101010232921.GE2771@strigy> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:16:21AM EST, Guy Schlosser wrote: > I'm seeing the same problem with unity and orca. Accessibility is > great once you get into a program, but getting there is another > thing. Is there a way to remove unity and go back to a two-pannel > configuration like on the desktop, or the netbook interface > available in Lucid? Any help with this would be greatly > appreciated. First, make sure you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed. Once installed, make sure you have an accessible gdm login, i.e you have speech available at login. Once you do, log out/restart, and get to the login screen. Select the user you want to log in as, then navigate to the bottom panel, where you will find an option to select the login session. There you want to choose GNOME. Luke From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 02:12:19 2010 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:12:19 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu1 Preferences and Orca Message-ID: <4CB27283.40309@gmail.com> Hello! When I try to set up the preferences for Ubuntu1 in Lucid, using Orca, the entire x-session is unresponsive, as soon as I open the preference pane from the 'menu->system->preferences->ubuntu1'. I had this configured, once, but had to turn it off temporarilly. Any suggestions? --Dave From kb8aey at verizon.net Mon Oct 11 03:29:57 2010 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (Mike Coulombe) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:29:57 -0700 Subject: I have two questions Message-ID: <4CB284B5.7010407@verizon.net> Hi, In maverick, how do you get out of the menu on the top panel once you right arrow into it? I hit escape twice and get to the same menus, but I can't get back to the point where I can use alt and f1. 2, I don't see a orca directory in my home directory anymore. So, Storm, where do you put your custom orca file now? Thanks Mike. From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 05:05:37 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:35:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: I have two questions In-Reply-To: <4CB284B5.7010407@verizon.net> References: <4CB284B5.7010407@verizon.net> Message-ID: <486015.84729.qm@web94811.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, There seems to odd bug with gnome-panel. Pressing arrow twice switches the menus. Open a new bug report for that. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/658087 The default Orca config folder now in .local/share/orca Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant |Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mike Coulombe > To: Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 10:29:57 AM > Subject: I have two questions > > Hi, In maverick, how do you get out of the menu on the top > panel once you right arrow into it? I hit escape twice and get to the > same menus, but I can't get back to the point where I can use alt and > f1. 2, I don't see a orca directory in my home directory anymore. So, > Storm, where do you put your custom orca file now? > Thanks Mike. > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 05:27:34 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:57:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: Ubuntu Maverick Page Message-ID: <569111.93503.qm@web94811.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi List, Just created a new page for Ubuntu Maverick http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuMaverick on Orca wiki to track the changes and problems related to this release. If you are using the new release, Please update this page with bugs you encountered and solutions you had to devise. Cheers --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant |Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com From milton at tomaatnet.nl Mon Oct 11 09:16:11 2010 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:16:11 +0200 Subject: switching Pulseaudio Alsa vv Message-ID: <4CB2D5DB.1000003@tomaatnet.nl> Dear List, I'm running Lucid and Orca 2.91 on my machine. I create an account for my son. He wanted to run his facorite piano application Synthesia for Windows. I tried to run Synthesia in VBox but the result was not good enough. I tried it now in Wine and the result is good exept for the sound. There is no sound when starting synthesia. Maybe Synbthesia prefer Alsa? Is there a way to switch form Pulseaudio to Alsa for trying to use Synthesia? Can you telle me how to do so? Thank you in advance. Milton From apinheiro at igalia.com Mon Oct 11 11:15:18 2010 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:15:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Unity and Orca? In-Reply-To: <20101010220837.GA2510@strigy> References: <4CB228CC.4030500@gmail.com> <20101010220837.GA2510@strigy> Message-ID: <20101011.131518.78696996.apinheiro@igalia.com> From: Luke Yelavich > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 07:57:48AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: >> Does anyone have experience running the new Unity interface and the >> version of Orca that ships as part of 10.10? > > I tried using orca with unity a week or so back, and I can tell you that it doesn't work, for the vast majority of the unity shell. Such pieces as indicator menus for sound/session, and network manager are accessible, however you can only get to them with the mouse. If you were to open nautilus, you can navigate files/do whatever you can do normally within that nautilus window. Shortcut keys for opening the terminal still exist, and the terminal is accessible, but thats it. Orca are working there because they are not Unity itself. > Unity uses the clutter toolkit, which is getting accessibility support upstream, but the version in maverick has no accessibility support. I am not sure what the plans are for Natty. After a quick check [1], maverick is shiphing clutter 1.2.4 It doesn't have still the accessibility support (cally) integrated. As you said, you would require to use the upstream clutter version, or try to load cally. Anyway, as in the case on gnome-shell, having clutter with accessibility support is just the first step. It would be also required to load the atk-bridge module. More information in the equivalent gnome-shell bug [2] [1] http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/show/247461 [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612599 BR === API (apinheiro at igalia.com) From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 17:33:59 2010 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:33:59 -0400 Subject: Accessibility Troubles with GUI Admin Apps in Maverick Message-ID: <4CB5ED87.9070507@gmail.com> Greetings! I have done a clean install of Maverick, and use Orca for accessibility. I find that the GUI admin apps, like Synaptic, software-properties.gtk, and update manager are inaccessible with Orca, even when called with 'sudo', from the terminal. Even in a non-vinux installation of prior Ubuntu releases, I could get Orca to work with these apps, when I launched them from the terminal. Is there yet a way to make these programs accessible, such as a set of Vinux build scripts for Maverick? I see nothing promising in the vinux/maverick ppas. Thanks, Dave From huntp at ukonline.co.uk Wed Oct 13 18:37:08 2010 From: huntp at ukonline.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:37:08 +0100 Subject: Accessibility Troubles with GUI Admin Apps in Maverick In-Reply-To: <4CB5ED87.9070507@gmail.com> References: <4CB5ED87.9070507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CB5FC54.5020407@ukonline.co.uk> Hi Dave, I'm guessing you didn't install using the blindness profile? If you don't then you are missing a file that is needed in order to allow Orca to read admin apps. It is called a11y-sudo and needs to be in the directory /etc/sudoers.d To create it; 1. open gnome-terminal 2. change to root with the command sudo -i 3. Change to the directory we need with cd /etc/sudoers.d 4. Start the nano editor with a new file called a11y-sudo with the command nano a11y-sudo 5. Enter the following line precisely as written below Defaults env_keep = "ORBIT_SOCKETDIR XDG_SESSION_COOKIE GTK_MODULES" Note that capitalisation needs to be correct here and in case it wraps in the email it is only one line. 6. Press control +o and then enter to write out the file. Then control + x to exit nano. 7. type chmod 0440 a11y-sudo This is to ensure that the file permissions are correct. 8. Type exit to get out of the root shell. Admin apps should now be accessible. Please note that it is essential to type the contents of the a11y-sudo file properly and to set the permissions or you will break sudo altogether. HTH Paul On 13/10/10 18:33, Dave Hunt wrote: > Greetings! > > I have done a clean install of Maverick, and use Orca for > accessibility. I find that the GUI admin apps, like Synaptic, > software-properties.gtk, and update manager are inaccessible with Orca, > even when called with 'sudo', from the terminal. Even in a non-vinux > installation of prior Ubuntu releases, I could get Orca to work with > these apps, when I launched them from the terminal. > > Is there yet a way to make these programs accessible, such as a set of > Vinux build scripts for Maverick? I see nothing promising in the > vinux/maverick ppas. > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > > From kb8aey at verizon.net Thu Oct 14 01:29:21 2010 From: kb8aey at verizon.net (Mike Coulombe) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:29:21 -0700 Subject: need help with speakup in mavric Message-ID: <4CB65CF1.8040706@verizon.net> Hi, I installed speakup in maverick and I installed espeakup. I edited modules and added speakup-soft. But speakup doesn't work. Is there something else I am suppose to do? Thanks Mike. From tony.bernedal at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 16:46:30 2010 From: tony.bernedal at gmail.com (Tony Bernedal) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:46:30 +0200 Subject: problem with msi wind u100 keyboard Message-ID: Hi all I have a m s i wind u 100 netbook and I have a problem with the keyboard. I tried both ubuntu different versions and also vinux. The problem is that it looks like the orca key is stuck and I can't use the keyboard normaly. In console it looks like it works ok but in gnome the problem apears. If I hit spacebar the orca preference window comes up and if I hit backspace the orca command for passthroug is issued. If I press q orca will quit. So it looks like orca key is locked or something. I also tried to switch orca to laptop mode or desktop mode but that doesn't solve the problem. It happens on the live cd as well as on a installed system. does anyone know what can be the problem and how to sole it? I haven't tried ubuntu 10.10 yet but I think the issue is there too. I remember using ubuntu 8.10 on this machine and it worked perfect, so maybe I have done something stupid somewhere in the bios or anyting else. Any help is appreciated. Regards Tony Med vänlig hälsning Tony Bernedal tony.bernedal at gmail.com Blogg samt tips och trix om it, datorer och andra tekniska prylar för synskadade www.tbteknik.se From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Thu Oct 14 22:43:10 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:43:10 +0100 Subject: Fwd: [ubuntu-web] Updated guidelines for community sites Message-ID: <4CB7877E.5050507@theopenlearningcentre.com> just for context for my next mail . . . -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ubuntu-web] Updated guidelines for community sites Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:58:43 -0500 From: Matthew Nuzum Reply-To: Ubuntu Web Presence Team To: Ubuntu Web Presence Team Hello, you've been waiting for this for far too long, I hope it has been worth it (I think it has but read on and judge for yourself). Alejandra, who many of you have interacted with, and her new cohort Inayaili De Leon have provided us with updated brand guidelines/models specifically for sites that are part of the official network of Ubuntu sites but that should not feel like part of the typical ubuntu.com flow. For example, if you visit http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/ you should feel like you're in the ubuntu.com website because it is part of the normal flow of navigation. However, if you visit wiki.ubuntu.com or the fridge you should not feel like you're at www.ubuntu.com . The navigational needs are completely different. You should feel like you're connected to ubuntu.com but not part of it. The problems we faced when trying to use the old guidelines for these community sites is that we didn't know how to deal with navigation. We didn't know how to indicate which site users were on and we were worried about confusing users with navigation that looked the same but mysteriously changed behavior depending on what site they were on. Here's an image of the new model: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebThemes?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=wiki_global_header_and_footer.png Let me explain some of the features here. First, the Ubuntu logo area is clearly indicating the site you're on. Clicking this should take you to the current site's homepage (not to www.ubuntu.com ). The orange area does not include primary navigation, instead all of the site navigation is in the gray area. (see below for question #1 about this). The search bar is visually distinct from that of ubuntu.com and allows room for site speicific search features and instructions. Above the orange bar to the far right is something being called the "Mother ship' navigation. It links back to key areas on Ubuntu.com. Down near the bottom of the page in the footer area wehave some new navigation elements: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebThemes?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=global_fat_footer.png You'll see here that the "fat footer" or mini sitemap is reserved for the current site. Don't duplicate Ubuntu.com's footer. All of the elements in the lists should be relevant to the existing site. Below that is a 2nd footer with an Ubuntu logo and links to Contact us, Trademark and Legal information. This template is for Ubuntu community and Ubuntu related sites to use. I'll be implementing it for wiki.ubuntu.com in the coming weeks (though the existing testing wiki update will go live before this is ready). I have a couple questions and I know you do too, here is a start: Maybe Alejandra can chime in with some thoughts, others please feel free to toss in your questions and ideas too. #1 Some sites may need to have additional navigation needs, what should they do? - Matt's suggestion: Maybe use the left side navigation from here as inspiration: http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/landscape (ubuntu colors of course) #2 What if a site has wide content, what should be done? - Matt's opinion: make it full width (no left/right padding) or make the theme fluid width or both (personally, I don't like sites with really wide content) #3 What sites should not use this theme? - Matt's opinion: Sites that are not part of the Ubuntu community and/or don't want to feel connected to the Ubuntu ecosystem. OK, there's a bunch of details, now share your thoughts and ideas and questions. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter "An investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -Benjamin Franklin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Thu Oct 14 22:51:21 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:51:21 +0100 Subject: [ubuntu-web] Updated guidelines for community sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB78969.6090807@theopenlearningcentre.com> I have to say I think the new design is a step backwards in terms of readability and accessibility, for a start the #333333 text on a background of #F7F7F7 makes the body text look fuzzy and hard to read for low-vision users, I don't think the wiki navigation changes too much for screen readers, but if there are going to be guidelines for community sites it would be good to see some reference to good practice of navigation design for screen readers, similar to this: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse4.htm Personally I really don't like fixed width layouts, I have a very large, high resolution screen 2048px wide and I like to fill it full of lots of very small text that I can absorb fast, not just a little column down the middle. Conversely vision impaired users will want to zoom in to get a larger font size, (and the default in the new design is pretty titchy so a lot of people will need to zoom in) but on something like a 1024x768 screen if you zoom in the horizontal width quickly gets wider than the screen and you end up horizontally scrolling which is icky and nasty. It is so easy to get a web browser to dynamically reflow the text to the available width which satisfies the pixel junkies like me and also those who need to have large text (and I am not talking HUGE text, just as big as a regular large print book one might get from the library). In fact, fluid width is the default behavior of browsers and has been from the dawn of time, fixed width layouts just deliberately break a cool feature that paper can't match, just in order to provide a more paper-like aesthetic environment for the designer. Matthew, Inayaili, Alejandra and any other web designers are more than welcome to join the #ubuntu-accessibility channel on IRC and ask there how other people see your designs. For example with the Ubuntu UK community website we are developing I started with the wordpress theme and gradually increased the contrast of the text until a reader with low vision reported it as not being fuzzy. The team is there, please take advantage of it. Alan. Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 From lamarques89 at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 12:32:43 2010 From: lamarques89 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Luis_ant=F3nio_Marques_Caetano?=) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:32:43 +0100 Subject: How to install Maverick with orca? Message-ID: Hi all, Is there any kind of tutorial about how to install Maverick with the help of orca? I searched but found nothing, so I'm asking here. I tried the old trick but didn't work. Thanks for any eventual answer! -- Luís E-mail: lamarques89 at gmail.com MSN/WLM: lc_89221 at hotmail.com From marionpeter at gmx.net Sat Oct 16 15:01:23 2010 From: marionpeter at gmx.net (Marion Peterreins) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:01:23 +0200 Subject: looking for ocr-software Message-ID: <4CB9BE43.8060702@gmx.net> Hi all, Is there an Ocr-software that can be used on Ubuntu and that is orca-friendly so to speak? Best wishes Marion! From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Sat Oct 16 15:18:46 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:18:46 +0100 Subject: How to install Maverick with orca? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB9C256.2050305@theopenlearningcentre.com> On 16/10/10 13:32, Luis antónio Marques Caetano wrote: > Hi all, > Is there any kind of tutorial about how to install Maverick with the > help of orca? I searched but found nothing, so I'm asking here. > I tried the old trick but didn't work. > > Thanks for any eventual answer! Hi Luis, unfortunately the installer is now based on webkit and is almost entirely silent, it is basically invisible to orca. The best option for now is to find a sighted friend and talk them through the process, or install Lucid (bad as that installer was) and then upgrade to Maverick. I wish there was better news for you. Alan. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Oct 16 18:25:58 2010 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:25:58 +0200 Subject: How to install Maverick with orca? References: <4CB9C256.2050305@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: <3BDC09BF529D4ADD847ADE6E9F3C5396@milton> Hi, I tried a fresh install for Maverick using the old trick: 1. starting the machine with de live cd and pressing the spacebar every 2 second. 2. a screen appears to select a language. 3. After pressing enter to chose a language I then press F5 then 3 and twice on the enterkey. 4. Orca came up but with no sound. With the help of a sighted person the sound seems being mute. So after this was unmuted I could install with the help of Orca. There is one screen when installing with 2 checkboxes for updating and another option. Checking those Orca go silent. Leaving those unchecked Orca went through the installation. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bell" To: Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 5:18 PM Subject: Re: How to install Maverick with orca? On 16/10/10 13:32, Luis antónio Marques Caetano wrote: > Hi all, > Is there any kind of tutorial about how to install Maverick with the > help of orca? I searched but found nothing, so I'm asking here. > I tried the old trick but didn't work. > > Thanks for any eventual answer! Hi Luis, unfortunately the installer is now based on webkit and is almost entirely silent, it is basically invisible to orca. The best option for now is to find a sighted friend and talk them through the process, or install Lucid (bad as that installer was) and then upgrade to Maverick. I wish there was better news for you. Alan. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From apinheiro at igalia.com Sat Oct 16 18:37:07 2010 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [orca-list] looking for ocr-software In-Reply-To: <4CB9BE43.8060702@gmx.net> References: <4CB9BE43.8060702@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20101016.203707.235878764.apinheiro@igalia.com> From: Marion Peterreins > Is there an Ocr-software that can be used on Ubuntu and that is > orca-friendly so to speak? You could try OCRFeeder: http://live.gnome.org/OCRFeeder On the last months a effort was made in order to make OCRFeeder more orca-friendly. But not sure if it is already included on the last Ubuntu, or if it would include the last ocrfeeder with this changes. Anyway, the previous link include a section with debian packages to dowload, including the more recent one: http://live.gnome.org/OCRFeeder#Download Good luck BR === API (apinheiro at igalia.com) From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sun Oct 17 15:38:19 2010 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to install Maverick with orca? In-Reply-To: <4CB9C256.2050305@theopenlearningcentre.com> References: <4CB9C256.2050305@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: Was ubiquity removed?On Sat, 16 Oct 2010, Alan Bell wrote: > On 16/10/10 13:32, Luis ant?nio Marques Caetano wrote: >> Hi all, >> Is there any kind of tutorial about how to install Maverick with the >> help of orca? I searched but found nothing, so I'm asking here. >> I tried the old trick but didn't work. >> >> Thanks for any eventual answer! > > Hi Luis, > unfortunately the installer is now based on webkit and is almost > entirely silent, it is basically invisible to orca. The best option for > now is to find a sighted friend and talk them through the process, or > install Lucid (bad as that installer was) and then upgrade to Maverick. > > I wish there was better news for you. > > Alan. > > -- > Alan Bell > The Open Learning Centre > > > Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com > > Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 > Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 > > The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, > a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. > VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > From mj at mjw.se Mon Oct 18 14:41:30 2010 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:41:30 +0200 Subject: Accessible boot Message-ID: <000101cb6ed2$8d991b00$f717e255@mj> Work it with braille or speech From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 22:16:38 2010 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:16:38 -0400 Subject: Restoring Default Gnome Config? 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URL: From pstowe at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 11:42:37 2010 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:42:37 -0400 Subject: Accessibility at UDS Message-ID: Sorry this e-mail is out late, but I got distracted yesterday. There will be several sessions dealing with accessibility at the Ubuntu Developer Summit, Ubuntu's twice yearly summit to look ahead to what we need to accomplish in the next cycle. You can look at all the scheduled sessions at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/ and information about how to participate remotely is at http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ . Please note that the gobby being used is gobby-0.5 also known as gobby-infinote not gobby 0.4. While accessibility certainly relates to other sessions, I'm only going to mention the two main sessions about accessibility. Improving Accessibility Development & Information - 26 October at 14:00 UTC (10:00 EDT / 15:00 BST) I'm hoping this sessions will get as many people from different teams together as possible so that we can look at the bigger picture of what needs to happen to make Ubuntu kick ass when it comes to accessibility. I'd like to be able to come up with some plans for coordinating between teams both so that the Accessibility Team knows what it needs to do and so that other teams know what we need. This is a the closest to an accessibility team session because I realised we needed to look at the bigger picture for a while. A11y Support for Unity - 27 October at 20:15 UTC (16:15 EDT / 21:15 BST) As you may have heard, Unity will start shipping as Ubuntu's default desktop with 11.04. As a result Luke Yelavich will be moving to the Unity team for this cycle to create the accessibility framework that will work with Unity (and also the Gnome framework as Unity needs a computer with 3D graphic rendering so users without this will have the normal Gnome desktop install). This is his session to plan out and figure out what his plans are and how we can best support him. Please if you can come even if you're not a developer and are just interested. I will be on IRC and checking it most of the time so feel free to message me (Pendulum) should you need some help. There will also be other people around able to help. I hope some of you can make it! Thanks! Penelope From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Oct 26 12:46:29 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:46:29 -0400 Subject: Unity and accessibility In-Reply-To: <5B98044A-5310-4101-B3B7-FC7D83AB9D3A@zufelt.ca> References: <5B98044A-5310-4101-B3B7-FC7D83AB9D3A@zufelt.ca> Message-ID: <20101026124629.GA2181@barbiton> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 07:40:53AM EDT, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Good morning, > > I read a release this morning explaining that possibly as of 11.04 Ubuntu will ship with Unity, based on gnome, and not gnome, as the default window manager. I am wondering what accessibility features exist in Unity and how well it supports gnome based assistive technology applications like Orca? Unity in its current form does not have much in the way of accessibility. It doesn't even have keyboard navigation to move around the environment, let alone assistive technology support. For the 11.04 release, I will be working very closely with the unity developers to implement accessibility and keyboard navigation support, so much so, that it will be my primary focus for this cycle. I will also attempt to address any other accessibility issues we need to fix, like the installer, if I get the time. Luke From alanbell at ubuntu.com Tue Oct 26 22:36:12 2010 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:36:12 +0100 Subject: Todays UDS session Message-ID: <4CC757DC.8090909@ubuntu.com> Hi all, One of todays sessions at UDS was on improving accessibility development and information, the raw notes from the session are included below and outline the themes that were discussed. We will be refining these into goals for the Natty cycle, but the key points seem to be an effort to get accessibility testing into the existing QA frameworks so nothing goes out of the door until it passes the accessibility tests and providing more information to developers so that accessibility is baked in to the code from the beginning. Luke Yelavich will be working primarily on Unity and perhaps the installer this cycle and Penelope will be liaising with the Gnome upstream on accessibility issues. This is an important cycle for accessibility and we have had strong words of support from Mark Shuttleworth in the keynote speech of UDS. We need to build on that and make Ubuntu awesome for everyone. Tomorrows schedule is here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-27/ it would be great to have people raising the issue of accessibility either on-site or remotely via IRC in some of the touch sessions that are on all over the place Your guide to styling for Ubuntu at 09:00 in Bonaire 1 Improving the desktop testing program at 12:00 in Antigua 4 Ubuntu.com community on ramp at 15:00 in Bonaire 7 Public Certification Website improvements at 15:00 in Bonaire 2 Natty LoCo directory plans at 15:00 in Antigua 2 a11y support for unity at 16:15 in Antigua 2 Unity test framework at 17:10 in Bonaire 7 and also in any other sessions that sound interesting to you! Alan. Involving QA in Accessibility http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/ Install and use with no screen Install and use with no mouse Install and use with no keyboard (on screen keyboard) plugging in Accessibility into the existing testing frameworks On screen keyboards can use accessibility frameworks to operate the user interface The installer ubiquity using the webkit framework is a problem as the integration with accessibility frameworks is not complete Review the accessibility profiles revise or split up further the profiles (options in the installer?) Unity currently does not support themeing so a low vision profile can't be implemented Accessibility frameworks are used for automated testing Penelope will be liaising between the Unity/Ubuntu team and the Gnome team on accessibility issues. gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-accessibility-devel at lists.ubuntu.com Suggestion: Make accessibility visible on developer.ubuntu.com Multitouch accessibility Action item: Let people know when accessibility is ready for testing by sending an email to the mailing list (TheMuso) This cycle is make or break for Ubuntu and Accessibility, it is a great opportunity for all to be at the core of the development effort of Unity. Set up an accessibility blog for the team with multiple authors Ubuntu Accessibility Team page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team Action item: cprofitt to involve the beginner to be aware of the ubuntu accessibility team. From eric.oyen at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 09:37:22 2010 From: eric.oyen at gmail.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 02:37:22 -0700 Subject: strange problem with orca in 10.04 PPC version Message-ID: <6AADE80C-20E9-4E7D-875D-2B79B5A2263C@gmail.com> hello, I have decided to take my powerbook G3 (lombard or "bronze keyboard") into the world of linux because I cannot get OS X to upgrade to the point where voiceover would be of use to me (I happen to be blind and need speech). the strange problem is, I cannot seem to get to an accessible installer from the directions given on the ubuntu accessibility page. so. I let it run into full live cd mode, then when the sound chimes indicating the desktop has loaded, I hit alt/option+F2, then type sudo orca and hit enter. at this point, I am greeted with no speech and no way to determine if orca has started. I had to look up the screen its supposed to present, and answer the questions. after pressing 1 then enter, I answer y and y then orca starts to speak, telling me that the speech-dispatcher is working but that something else is wrong and that I need to check the logs located in .... unfortunately, I have no sighted assistance available, and I really would like to have a working accessible powerbook. since I cannot read the screen, or the logs, I am at a loss as to how to continue. can anyone help? -Eric From pstowe at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 11:16:34 2010 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:16:34 -0400 Subject: Todays UDS session In-Reply-To: <4CC757DC.8090909@ubuntu.com> References: <4CC757DC.8090909@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > > Tomorrows schedule is here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-27/ I just wanted to make everyone aware that due to several requests and a need to get some real action items out, we've also scheduled a second session to finish up what was talked about yesterday. It will be Thursday, October 28, at 20:15 UTC (16:15 EDT / 21:15 BST) Thanks! Penelope From Maurice.McCarthy at maerskoil.com Wed Oct 27 11:01:06 2010 From: Maurice.McCarthy at maerskoil.com (McCarthy, Maurice [Contractor]) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:01:06 +0100 Subject: strange problem with orca in 10.04 PPC version In-Reply-To: <6AADE80C-20E9-4E7D-875D-2B79B5A2263C@gmail.com> References: <6AADE80C-20E9-4E7D-875D-2B79B5A2263C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2606AD16E251E749AA8E8644B21B4744012AB7A2EA2D@sgryexc01> Not completely sure if this will work with a mac but do have a look at ... Try installing from http://vinux.org.uk/iso/Vinux-3.0-DVD.iso This is a 1.8 Gb DVD Vinux 3.0 is ubuntu lucid lynx for the visually impaired. The list is at vinux-support at googlegroups.com See also http://wiki.vinuxvirtual.org.uk/ Good Luck Maurice -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Eric Oyen Sent: 27 October 2010 10:37 To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: strange problem with orca in 10.04 PPC version hello, I have decided to take my powerbook G3 (lombard or "bronze keyboard") into the world of linux because I cannot get OS X to upgrade to the point where voiceover would be of use to me (I happen to be blind and need speech). the strange problem is, I cannot seem to get to an accessible installer from the directions given on the ubuntu accessibility page. so. I let it run into full live cd mode, then when the sound chimes indicating the desktop has loaded, I hit alt/option+F2, then type sudo orca and hit enter. at this point, I am greeted with no speech and no way to determine if orca has started. I had to look up the screen its supposed to present, and answer the questions. after pressing 1 then enter, I answer y and y then orca starts to speak, telling me that the speech-dispatcher is working but that something else is wrong and that I need to check the logs located in .... unfortunately, I have no sighted assistance available, and I really would like to have a working accessible powerbook. since I cannot read the screen, or the logs, I am at a loss as to how to continue. can anyone help? -Eric -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility Maersk Oil North Sea UK Limited, registered in England and Wales No. 03682299. Registered office Maersk House, Braham Street, London E1 8EP. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager at hotline at maerskoil.com. From elle.uca at ubuntu-it.org Wed Oct 27 10:35:41 2010 From: elle.uca at ubuntu-it.org (Luca Ferretti) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:35:41 +0200 Subject: Accessibility at UDS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/10/26 Penelope Stowe > > A11y Support for Unity - 27 October at 20:15 UTC (16:15 EDT / 21:15 BST) > As you may have heard, Unity will start shipping as Ubuntu's default > desktop with 11.04. As a result Luke Yelavich will be moving to the > Unity team for this cycle to create the accessibility framework that > will work with Unity (and also the Gnome framework as Unity needs a > computer with 3D graphic rendering so users without this will have the > normal Gnome desktop install). This is his session to plan out and > figure out what his plans are and how we can best support him. Please > if you can come even if you're not a developer and are just > interested. > Penelope, could you try to rise visibity to this[1] bug too? It's related directly to indicators. [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/553869 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 27 12:36:59 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:36:59 -0400 Subject: strange problem with orca in 10.04 PPC version In-Reply-To: <2606AD16E251E749AA8E8644B21B4744012AB7A2EA2D@sgryexc01> References: <6AADE80C-20E9-4E7D-875D-2B79B5A2263C@gmail.com> <2606AD16E251E749AA8E8644B21B4744012AB7A2EA2D@sgryexc01> Message-ID: <20101027123659.GA6697@barbiton> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 07:01:06AM EDT, McCarthy, Maurice [Contractor] wrote: > Not completely sure if this will work with a mac but do have a look at ... > > Try installing from http://vinux.org.uk/iso/Vinux-3.0-DVD.iso > This is a 1.8 Gb DVD > Vinux 3.0 is ubuntu lucid lynx for the visually impaired. > The list is at vinux-support at googlegroups.com > See also http://wiki.vinuxvirtual.org.uk/ This will not help him. He is using a powerpc machine, and the vinux disks are for i386/amd64 only. Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 27 12:41:39 2010 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:41:39 -0400 Subject: strange problem with orca in 10.04 PPC version In-Reply-To: <6AADE80C-20E9-4E7D-875D-2B79B5A2263C@gmail.com> References: <6AADE80C-20E9-4E7D-875D-2B79B5A2263C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101027124138.GB6697@barbiton> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 05:37:22AM EDT, Eric Oyen wrote: > hello, > I have decided to take my powerbook G3 (lombard or "bronze keyboard") into the world of linux because I cannot get OS X to upgrade to the point where voiceover would be of use to me (I happen to be blind and need speech). I suggest that it may be best that you use Ubuntu 10.04, as it is a long term support releases. You can get the powerpc version from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/ubuntu-10.04-desktop-powerpc.iso. You will need a 700MB CD to burn it onto, as the iso is 694MB. Once burnt, insert it into the powerbook, and reboot from CD by holding down the C key while the machine boots. Give the machine 20 seconds to get started from the CD, and then type: live access=v3 This should boot the CD with speech enabled. This is different to other methods documented on the internet, because the pwoerpc CD boot process is very different from i386/amd64. If you have any questions, plesae feel free to reply and ask. Luke From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Thu Oct 28 12:45:09 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:45:09 +0100 Subject: Summit Thursday Message-ID: <4CC97055.4020109@theopenlearningcentre.com> Hi all, todays UDS schedule is at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-28/ and audio streams for the rooms are at http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/status.xsl Sessions that stand out today for me from an Accessibility point of view are: Solving the virtual keyboard problem at 10:00 in Antigua 3 The Ubuntu Way (although I have no idea what it is about) at 10:00 in Curacao 1+2 Discussion of topics related to Canonical wide QA at 11:00 in Antigua 1 Indicator framework changes for N at 11:00 in Bonaire 2 Improving the sponsorship process (I think that is about tweaking the UDS sponsorship process to have more diversity in the attendance) at 11:00 in Bonaire 8 Resizing windows at 11:00 in Curacao 1+2 Indicator messages for N cycle at 15:00 in Curacao 1+2 Improving Accessibility Development and Information at 16:15 in Antigua 4 -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 From tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 20:44:10 2010 From: tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk (Anthony Sales) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:10 +0100 Subject: Unity and accessibility In-Reply-To: <20101026124629.GA2181@barbiton> References: <5B98044A-5310-4101-B3B7-FC7D83AB9D3A@zufelt.ca>, <20101026124629.GA2181@barbiton> Message-ID: Hi Luke, Could you clarify the plans have for Ubuntu in regard to Unity, Accessibility, Gnome and the alleged licensing of Unity? And what are you thoughts initially - do you think it is possible to make Unity accessible, or will we/you have to default to Gnome for the 'blind profile'. Is it true that Canonical want to copyright Unity? And if so do you know what there thinking is behind this - is it merely a formality - or does Canonical have more commercial plans for Ubuntu. I personally wouldn't object to a commercialisation of ubuntu - as this seems the next logical step in making Ubuntu a popular desktop - but if this constraints development in other projects, then maybe it might have a negative effect on open-source accessibility etc. Anyway, I just wondered if you could clarify things because at the moment there seems to be a little confusion and panic about this issue, which of course may turn out to be a red herring. Tony Sales. ________________________________________ From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich [themuso at ubuntu.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 13:46 To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Unity and accessibility On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 07:40:53AM EDT, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Good morning, > > I read a release this morning explaining that possibly as of 11.04 Ubuntu will ship with Unity, based on gnome, and not gnome, as the default window manager. I am wondering what accessibility features exist in Unity and how well it supports gnome based assistive technology applications like Orca? Unity in its current form does not have much in the way of accessibility. It doesn't even have keyboard navigation to move around the environment, let alone assistive technology support. For the 11.04 release, I will be working very closely with the unity developers to implement accessibility and keyboard navigation support, so much so, that it will be my primary focus for this cycle. I will also attempt to address any other accessibility issues we need to fix, like the installer, if I get the time. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From ka1cey at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 22:33:58 2010 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:33:58 -0400 Subject: Maverick and speech-dispatcher? Message-ID: <4CC9FA56.9080508@gmail.com> Hello, People! What does Maverick do, with speech dispatcher, differently from Lucid and previous Ubuntu versions? When I run the self-voicing RSGames client, in Maverick, only the non-speech sounds play. In Lucid, the program speaks, sending messages to speech dispatcher. Thanks, Dave From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 23:20:28 2010 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:20:28 -0400 Subject: Maverick and speech-dispatcher? In-Reply-To: <4CC9FA56.9080508@gmail.com> References: <4CC9FA56.9080508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CCA053C.6070807@gmail.com> I found the same problem when loading the RS Games client on my Maverick system. I sent an email to the developer, and so far the only response I have received is that he would be installing a copy of Maverick so he could track down the issue that causes the client not to speak. I expect another response in future, and I'll forward it to this list when I receive it. For now, if you feel you can add anything I may have missed, send an email to rsgames at gmail.com describing the problem in as much detail as you are able. It's possible that you may be able to shed some light on the problem if you can find an error message or something else I may have overlooked. ~Kyle From gErvin at cableone.net Thu Oct 28 23:38:37 2010 From: gErvin at cableone.net (Glenn Ervin) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:38:37 -0500 Subject: Linux live cd options Message-ID: <022D7F7677D242CE975C80459C7971D3@MSI> Hi, I am working on a laptop with 256 MB of RAM, and my Ubuntu 10.04 will not boot up on it, and I am wondering what will boot up with software speech. I have a dectalk, but I'd rather not drag that out for this. Glenn ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16180) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From jdashiel at shellworld.net Fri Oct 29 00:46:08 2010 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 20:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux live cd options In-Reply-To: <022D7F7677D242CE975C80459C7971D3@MSI> References: <022D7F7677D242CE975C80459C7971D3@MSI> Message-ID: grml ought to work provided you get the large iso.On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Glenn Ervin wrote: > Hi, > I am working on a laptop with 256 MB of RAM, and my Ubuntu 10.04 will not > boot up on it, and I am wondering what will boot up with software speech. I > have a dectalk, but I'd rather not drag that out for this. > Glenn > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16180) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Fri Oct 29 08:49:45 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:49:45 +0100 Subject: UDS Friday Message-ID: <4CCA8AA9.50304@theopenlearningcentre.com> Hi all, last day of UDS today sessions that seem interesting to me are: revamp ubuntu.com/community in Bonaire7 at 10:00 Desktop applications selection in Antigua1 at 10:00 Diversity in our community at Antigua 2 at 11:00 Usability results for unity at 11:00 in Curacao 3+4 at 11:00 Unity usability finding in Curacao1+2 at 15:00 -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Fri Oct 29 09:09:08 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:09:08 +0100 Subject: Unity and accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <5B98044A-5310-4101-B3B7-FC7D83AB9D3A@zufelt.ca>, <20101026124629.GA2181@barbiton> Message-ID: <4CCA8F34.7040701@theopenlearningcentre.com> As Luke is rather busy, I can answer a few of these points to save time. On 28/10/10 21:44, Anthony Sales wrote: > Hi Luke, > > Could you clarify the plans have for Ubuntu in regard to Unity, Accessibility, Gnome and the alleged licensing of Unity? And what are you thoughts initially - do you think it is possible to make Unity accessible there have been lots and lots of discussions about this at UDS, accessibility is absolutely a priority for Unity and we intend to have accessibility testing as part of the iso testing release process. > or will we/you have to default to Gnome for the 'blind profile'. it will certainly be possible to opt out of Unity and use the traditional Gnome desktop or indeed Gnome Shell (all three are Gnome) > Is it true that Canonical want to copyright Unity? All code is copyrighted by the author as soon as it is written, unless some agreement changes that. Canonical do hold the copyright for Unity code and they also want contributions from third parties to sign a copyright transfer agreement handing Canonical the copyright to contributions. This means that Canonical will be the sole copyright holder for the entire unity codebase. This in turn means they can change the license (maybe one day to GPL v4 for example) without hunting about for permission from every single contributor (lets say they want to do this in 20 years time and some of the contributors and copyright holders are uncontactable or even dead) they can also license it in a non-free way to other companies if they want to. If you can figure out who might want it that way and why, do let me know. > And if so do you know what there thinking is behind this - is it merely a formality - or does Canonical have more commercial plans for Ubuntu. absolutely they have commercial plans. They don't appear to have freedom hating proprietary plans though. http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > I personally wouldn't object to a commercialisation of ubuntu - as this seems the next logical step in making Ubuntu a popular desktop - but if this constraints development in other projects, then maybe it might have a negative effect on open-source accessibility etc. Anyway, I just wondered if you could clarify things because at the moment there seems to be a little confusion and panic about this issue, DON'T PANIC <- big friendly letters > which of course may turn out to be a red herring. do Narwhals eat herring? > Tony Sales. > ________________________________________ > From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich [themuso at ubuntu.com] > Sent: 26 October 2010 13:46 > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Unity and accessibility > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 07:40:53AM EDT, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> I read a release this morning explaining that possibly as of 11.04 Ubuntu will ship with Unity, based on gnome, and not gnome, as the default window manager. I am wondering what accessibility features exist in Unity and how well it supports gnome based assistive technology applications like Orca? > Unity in its current form does not have much in the way of accessibility. It doesn't even have keyboard navigation to move around the environment, let alone assistive technology support. > > For the 11.04 release, I will be working very closely with the unity developers to implement accessibility and keyboard navigation support, so much so, that it will be my primary focus for this cycle. > > I will also attempt to address any other accessibility issues we need to fix, like the installer, if I get the time. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Fri Oct 29 09:11:50 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:11:50 +0100 Subject: Unity and accessibility In-Reply-To: <4CCA8F34.7040701@theopenlearningcentre.com> References: <5B98044A-5310-4101-B3B7-FC7D83AB9D3A@zufelt.ca>, <20101026124629.GA2181@barbiton> <4CCA8F34.7040701@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: <4CCA8FD6.2090903@theopenlearningcentre.com> they do! "Narwhals feed on crab, salmon, herring, capelin, cod, mollusks, flounder, shrimp and other small sea creatures" http://www.arcticworld.net/ From ram at massinfonet.in Fri Oct 29 13:41:12 2010 From: ram at massinfonet.in (Ramchandra Patil) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:11:12 +0530 Subject: error in Ubantu Message-ID: dear Team i Am facing following error * E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. E: _cache->open() failed, please report* please give solution -- Thanks & Regards, *Ramchandra M. Patil.* *9594441825* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Fri Oct 29 14:53:00 2010 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:53:00 +0100 Subject: error in Ubantu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CCADFCC.9080104@theopenlearningcentre.com> On 29/10/10 14:41, Ramchandra Patil wrote: > > dear Team > i Am facing following error > * > E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' > to correct the problem. > E: _cache->open() failed, please report* > > please give solution > -- > Thanks & Regards, > *Ramchandra M. Patil.* > *9594441825* > > **first I would suggest running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" as it asks and see if that fixes it or provides more information. Can you tell us more about what you were trying to do at the time when this error occurred? This might not be the best list on which to ask that question. If you can get on IRC and ask on the #ubuntu-accessibility channel then we can guide you to someone who has expertise with solving issues with the packaging system. Alan. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com Sat Oct 30 09:06:35 2010 From: rakesh_ambati at yahoo.com (Arky) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:36:35 +0530 (IST) Subject: Linux live cd options In-Reply-To: References: <022D7F7677D242CE975C80459C7971D3@MSI> Message-ID: <951248.13472.qm@web94810.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, Its possible to make a LiveUSB boot with screenreader by passing 'access=v3' boot parameter. Edit the syslinux/text.cfg file and add add 'access=v3' before -- on all kernel lines. HTH --arky Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant |Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jude DaShiell > To: Glenn Ervin > Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 7:46:08 AM > Subject: Re: Linux live cd options > > grml ought to work provided you get the large iso.On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, > Glenn Ervin wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am working on a laptop with 256 MB of RAM, and my Ubuntu 10.04 will not > > boot up on it, and I am wondering what will boot up with software speech. I > > have a dectalk, but I'd rather not drag that out for this. > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16180) > > http://www.pctools.com/ > > ======= > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Oct 30 16:08:46 2010 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux live cd options In-Reply-To: <951248.13472.qm@web94810.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <022D7F7677D242CE975C80459C7971D3@MSI> <951248.13472.qm@web94810.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There's also a talking arch live cd available. http://www.thebrannons.com/tarch/ is where you go for that. That doesn't use hardware speech synthesizers by default but does use the sound card. You insert the CD and wait. If arch can come up talking it may take a couple minutes. First command to type after logging in is export dialogopts="--visit-items" . That makes accessibility better and makes arrow keys work reliably if you install arch. To install, type /arch/setup . This is a newer version of linux and you need to select install from internet to do a full installation. This Linux is different from most other punctuated development linux versions where updates happen for a while then development is frozen then a version update happens. Arch is an evolutionary updating linux in which when you do an update, you get the latest stuff down on your system since arch has only one version and that version is Current. On Sat, 30 Oct 2010, Arky wrote: > Hi, > > Its possible to make a LiveUSB boot with screenreader by passing 'access=v3' > boot parameter. > > Edit the syslinux/text.cfg file and add add 'access=v3' before -- on all kernel > lines. > > > HTH > > --arky > > Rakesh 'arky' Ambati| IT Consultant |Blog: http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jude DaShiell >> To: Glenn Ervin >> Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 7:46:08 AM >> Subject: Re: Linux live cd options >> >> grml ought to work provided you get the large iso.On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, >> Glenn Ervin wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I am working on a laptop with 256 MB of RAM, and my Ubuntu 10.04 will not >>> boot up on it, and I am wondering what will boot up with software speech. > I >>> have a dectalk, but I'd rather not drag that out for this. >>> Glenn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ======= >>> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16180) >>> http://www.pctools.com/ >>> ======= >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > > > > > From mj at mjw.se Sat Oct 30 23:15:16 2010 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:15:16 +0200 Subject: Install ubuntu with orca Message-ID: <000001cb7888$523ee4d0$f717e255@mj> I find a litle guide how to install ubuntu with orca But the guide whas for ubuntu 9.04 and not work with newer versions From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Oct 31 12:26:04 2010 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 06:26:04 -0600 Subject: Install ubuntu with orca In-Reply-To: <000001cb7888$523ee4d0$f717e255@mj> References: <000001cb7888$523ee4d0$f717e255@mj> Message-ID: <20101031062604.4fa69536@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:15:16 +0200 "mattias" wrote: > I find a litle guide how to install ubuntu with orca > But the guide whas for ubuntu 9.04 and not work with newer versions > This is an item that will be updated as soon as we have the time. I have been trying to update the developers wiki first, then can update the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/doc/ . Unfortunately, you still will not be able to install the latest release, Ubuntu 10.10, with orca. The installer at this time is not usable for us. That is a separate issue that is being worked on by developers. What is the address of the guide you are attempting to use? I would be happy to take a look and see if it can be updated to at least 10.04. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. 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