From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Fri Apr 1 11:33:02 2011 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:33:02 -0500 Subject: ubuntu Live CD's and the Booting Process Message-ID: <201104011133.p31BX2J5055132@x.it.okstate.edu> I may have a bit of a break in the quest to get ubuntu and orca installed. I found the last CD I had downloaded from a previous attempt to install the Live CD on a laptop. The README.diskdefines file is as follows: #define DISKNAME Ubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid Ibex" - Release i386 #define TYPE binary #define TYPEbinary 1 #define ARCH i386 #define ARCHi386 1 #define DISKNUM 1 #define DISKNUM1 1 #define TOTALNUM 0 #define TOTALNUM0 1 The files are all dated October of 2008 and it appears that it will boot properly on the target computer. I even got it to talk a little but I may need my wife to watch the screen to tell me exactly when the language selection screen occurs. Would I be able to install from ubuntu8 and then upgrade on line? Thanks. From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Fri Apr 1 12:12:50 2011 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:12:50 +0100 Subject: ubuntu Live CD's and the Booting Process In-Reply-To: <201104011133.p31BX2J5055132@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104011133.p31BX2J5055132@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4D95C142.6030605@theopenlearningcentre.com> On 01/04/11 12:33, Martin McCormick wrote: > Would I be able to install from ubuntu8 and then upgrade > on line? yes, you would be able to install from that and upgrade, however that would be quite a few upgrades from start to finish, starting from 8.10 you would upgrade to 9.04 then 9.10 then 10.04 then 10.10 and then in a few weeks perhaps to 11.04 Each one of these upgrades is quite a substantial download. The audio installer on 11.04 is pretty terrible at the moment, and I am unconvinced about the Unity interface and Orca at the moment. I found the 10.04 audio installer basically works, and from there you can upgrade to 10.10 if you want (the installer in 10.10 is almost completely broken) Hope that helps, Alan. From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Fri Apr 1 13:13:41 2011 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:13:41 -0500 Subject: ubuntu Live CD's and the Booting Process Message-ID: <201104011313.p31DDfMk055725@x.it.okstate.edu> A member of this list reminded me, off list, about the existance of Vinux. First, thank you very much. I am using the Vinux2.x command line shell on the systems I use today and Vinux is a great product. Unfortunately, Vinux3 is built from the same foundation as the present ubuntu10 live CD. This is fine except whatever weird issue on my computer causes the live CD boot to immediately loose sanity also occurs with the Vinux disk. Neither one ever produce any audio from the system and both make the CDROM drive appear to be loading the contents of the CDROM in that one hears the laser mechanism moving back and forth as if it was successfully reading data. I actually think it is, but the data are all being written to the wrong memory space as the video display stops working immediately when the boot starts. After about 3 minutes, the drive stops. Vinux should have welcomed the listener to orca. The live CD should allow one to hit Tab, then enter, listen for a bit of music and then type Alt-F2 orca and Enter to start orca. If you try these steps, the CDROM drive dutifully seeks and makes wrattling noises like it was loading more stuff, but there is still no video or audio. The ubuntu8 CD plays the musical flourish that fades to the sounds of crickets and what I did hear after trying to start orca was a list of supported languages in those languages so that version was making the audio work correctly. We brought up the CMOS setup screen on this system and it immediately showed the roughly 1.1 GB of memory now on the system. I don't thing there is a thing in the world wrong with that computer except that its memory map must not match what the present ubuntu live CD and the Vinux CD are built for. The video display card has a DBI connector on the back in addition to the VGA port. Maybe it has a different memory map to support enhanced graphics. The previous owner of the computer had bought it for playing video games on but other than that, it appears to be just as it came from Dell. It is all very odd. From bhavi at ubuntu.com Sat Apr 2 07:07:09 2011 From: bhavi at ubuntu.com (Bhavani Shankar R) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:37:09 +0530 Subject: embedded text to speech converter Message-ID: Hello list, I am working for a company called mindtree and developing assistive technology for cerebral palsy affected people as a part of my job with the company[1]. I am presently developing a low cost product with the team members on porting tts software on a tablet which runs ubuntu. So I needed to know that is there any TTS software which runs on ubuntu on a embedded platform preferably based on QT Waiting for your comments and responses, Thanks in advance, [1] http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/article1487056.ece -- Bhavani Shankar Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com https://launchpad.net/~bhavi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Sat Apr 2 07:12:49 2011 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:12:49 +0100 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> On 02/04/11 08:07, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > Hello list, > > I am working for a company called mindtree and developing assistive > technology for cerebral palsy affected people as a part of my job with > the company[1]. I am presently developing a low cost product with the > team members on porting tts software on a tablet which runs ubuntu. So > I needed to know that is there any TTS software which runs on ubuntu > on a embedded platform preferably based on QT > > Waiting for your comments and responses, > > Thanks in advance, > > [1] http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/article1487056.ece > > -- > Bhavani Shankar > Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com > https://launchpad.net/~bhavi Hi Bhavani, the speech dispatcher framework is used to give a consistent API to several text to speech engines, from a command line you can run $ spd-say "hello world" and it should speak that using the espeak engine which is included by default. This is a bit of a mechanical voice but it does not use a lot of resources. There are better quality voices around, openMary is one of the best I have found. That one lacks a speech dispatcher plugin at the moment though. Alan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bhavi at ubuntu.com Sat Apr 2 07:22:03 2011 From: bhavi at ubuntu.com (Bhavani Shankar R) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:52:03 +0530 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> References: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Alan Bell < alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com> wrote: > On 02/04/11 08:07, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > > Hello list, > > I am working for a company called mindtree and developing assistive > technology for cerebral palsy affected people as a part of my job with the > company[1]. I am presently developing a low cost product with the team > members on porting tts software on a tablet which runs ubuntu. So I needed > to know that is there any TTS software which runs on ubuntu on a embedded > platform preferably based on QT > > Waiting for your comments and responses, > > Thanks in advance, > > [1] http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/article1487056.ece > > -- > Bhavani Shankar > Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com > https://launchpad.net/~bhavi > > Hi Bhavani, > > the speech dispatcher framework is used to give a consistent API to several > text to speech engines, from a command line you can run > $ spd-say "hello world" > and it should speak that using the espeak engine which is included by > default. This is a bit of a mechanical voice but it does not use a lot of > resources. There are better quality voices around, openMary is one of the > best I have found. That one lacks a speech dispatcher plugin at the moment > though. > > Alan. > > Hi Alan, Thanks for your reply but one question I have which may sound silly, Is it portable to arm cortex without any issues? Regards and Thanks again for the reply -- Bhavani Shankar Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com https://launchpad.net/~bhavi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From undifined at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 08:18:16 2011 From: undifined at gmail.com (UndiFineD) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:18:16 +0200 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: References: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: 2011/4/2 Bhavani Shankar R : > On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Alan Bell > wrote: >> >> On 02/04/11 08:07, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: >> >> Hello list, >> >> I am working for a company called mindtree and developing assistive >> technology for cerebral palsy affected people as a part of my job with the >> company[1]. I am presently developing a low cost product with the team >> members on porting tts software on a tablet which runs ubuntu. So I needed >> to know that is there any TTS software which runs on ubuntu on a embedded >> platform preferably based on QT >> >> Waiting for your comments and responses, >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> [1] http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/article1487056.ece >> >> -- >> Bhavani Shankar >> Ubuntu Developer       |  www.ubuntu.com >> https://launchpad.net/~bhavi >> >> Hi Bhavani, >> >> the speech dispatcher framework is used to give a consistent API to >> several text to speech engines, from a command line you can run >> $  spd-say "hello world" >> and it should speak that using the espeak engine which is included by >> default. This is a bit of a mechanical voice but it does not use a lot of >> resources. There are better quality voices around, openMary is one of the >> best I have found. That one lacks a speech dispatcher plugin at the moment >> though. >> >> Alan. >> > > Hi Alan, > > Thanks for your reply but one question I have which may sound silly, Is it > portable to arm cortex without any issues? > > Regards and Thanks again for the reply > > -- > Bhavani Shankar > Ubuntu Developer       |  www.ubuntu.com > https://launchpad.net/~bhavi > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > The gap between SpeechDispatcher and openMary is not that big It is why the people from SpeechControl made libopenmary-c++ -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Apr 2 10:00:54 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 06:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: References: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: I think hard core text is identical to command line interface without gdm or xorg running.On Sat, 2 Apr 2011, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Alan Bell < > alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com> wrote: > > > On 02/04/11 08:07, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > > > > Hello list, > > > > I am working for a company called mindtree and developing assistive > > technology for cerebral palsy affected people as a part of my job with the > > company[1]. I am presently developing a low cost product with the team > > members on porting tts software on a tablet which runs ubuntu. So I needed > > to know that is there any TTS software which runs on ubuntu on a embedded > > platform preferably based on QT > > > > Waiting for your comments and responses, > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > [1] http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/article1487056.ece > > > > -- > > Bhavani Shankar > > Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com > > https://launchpad.net/~bhavi > > > > Hi Bhavani, > > > > the speech dispatcher framework is used to give a consistent API to several > > text to speech engines, from a command line you can run > > $ spd-say "hello world" > > and it should speak that using the espeak engine which is included by > > default. This is a bit of a mechanical voice but it does not use a lot of > > resources. There are better quality voices around, openMary is one of the > > best I have found. That one lacks a speech dispatcher plugin at the moment > > though. > > > > Alan. > > > > > Hi Alan, > > Thanks for your reply but one question I have which may sound silly, Is it > portable to arm cortex without any issues? > > Regards and Thanks again for the reply > > From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 13:53:58 2011 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:53:58 -0400 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> References: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: <4D972A76.6020906@gmail.com> If eSpeak doesn't sound as good as you like, SVox Pico may work better on embedded systems than OpenMary. SVox Pico is the default Android speech synthesizer, and speech-dispatcher works with it somewhat now, and support should improve, as its module is rather new. Also, neither SVox Pico nor eSpeak require Java to be installed, although there is some Java stuff in SVox Pico's git tree, presumably for Android. It isn't needed for Ubuntu AFAIK. Take a look at libttspico0 and related packages on Ubuntu 10.10 and later. You shouldn't need a speech system that is based on QT,. You should simply be able to link your QT application against the needed speech libraries and program your application to speak where necessary. You could connect to speech-dispatcher through its various backends, or simply link against the library for your speech synthesizer of choice directly. My personal recommendation is to use speech-dispatcher, since it provides an abstraction layer for a number of free and proprietary speech synthesizers. ~Kyle From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 14:03:46 2011 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:03:46 -0400 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: References: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> Message-ID: <4D972CC2.4010405@gmail.com> But doesn't libopenmary-c++ still require a JRE? Isn't it just a c++ interface to the Java-based synthesizer? I'm curious because I'm interested in OpenMary, but I can't even get the download to install. My JRE is not speaking the installation. A pure c++ library, or even Java source code would be much easier to deal with than the nonspeaking graphical installer in te downloadable jar. Also, speech-dispatcher can likely be made to work at least a little with OpenMary using the generic module architecture until a proper plugin can be developed, provided a command line utility exists. ~Kyle From undifined at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 15:52:24 2011 From: undifined at gmail.com (UndiFineD) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:52:24 +0200 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: <4D972CC2.4010405@gmail.com> References: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4D972CC2.4010405@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, libopenmary-c++ is just a lib to communicate to a fully installed openmary server "somewhere", that may be local or remote. sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre wget http://mary.dfki.de/download/4.3.0/openmary-standalone-install-4.3.0.jar chmod a+x openmary-standalone-install-4.3.0.jar jarwrapper openmary-standalone-install-4.3.0.jar be sure to install the en_gb prudence and spike voices 2011/4/2 Kyle : > But doesn't libopenmary-c++ still require a JRE? Isn't it just a c++ > interface to the Java-based synthesizer? I'm curious because I'm interested > in OpenMary, but I can't even get the download to install. My JRE is not > speaking the installation. A pure c++ library, or even Java source code > would be much easier to deal with than the nonspeaking graphical installer > in te downloadable jar. > > Also, speech-dispatcher can likely be made to work at least a little with > OpenMary using the generic module architecture until a proper plugin can be > developed, provided a command line utility exists. > ~Kyle -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 16:32:02 2011 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:32:02 -0400 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: References: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4D972CC2.4010405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D974F82.7030201@gmail.com> Sounds like my main problem with OpenMary is that I'm using openjdk-jre instead of sun-java6-jre. I'll try again with sun-java6-jre installed to see if that solves the problem. The requirement of sun-java6-jre may be a little too much on an embedded system where the OP plans to use it though, unless the remote server is an option. But usually it is unwise to require a connection to a network in order to get speech. In this case, eSpeak and SVox Pico are the smallest and best options, as they use much less memory and are both already supported by speech-dispatcher. Flite is another option for low-memory systems, but the speech-dispatcher module for it only works with the worst sounding voice. There are 3 or 4 other better voices that can be selected from the command line, but they don't work with speech-dispatcher's flite module for some reason. ~Kyle From bhavi at ubuntu.com Mon Apr 4 07:03:38 2011 From: bhavi at ubuntu.com (Bhavani Shankar R) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:33:38 +0530 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: <4D974F82.7030201@gmail.com> References: <4D96CC71.5080203@theopenlearningcentre.com> <4D972CC2.4010405@gmail.com> <4D974F82.7030201@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Kyle wrote: > Sounds like my main problem with OpenMary is that I'm using openjdk-jre > instead of sun-java6-jre. I'll try again with sun-java6-jre installed to see > if that solves the problem. > > The requirement of sun-java6-jre may be a little too much on an embedded > system where the OP plans to use it though, unless the remote server is an > option. But usually it is unwise to require a connection to a network in > order to get speech. In this case, eSpeak and SVox Pico are the smallest and > best options, as they use much less memory and are both already supported by > speech-dispatcher. Flite is another option for low-memory systems, but the > speech-dispatcher module for it only works with the worst sounding voice. > There are 3 or 4 other better voices that can be selected from the command > line, but they don't work with speech-dispatcher's flite module for some > reason. > ~Kyle > > > Thanks kyle for the informative posts regards -- Bhavani Shankar Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com https://launchpad.net/~bhavi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Mon Apr 4 11:35:23 2011 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 06:35:23 -0500 Subject: ubuntu Live CD's Installing ubuntu desktop Message-ID: <201104041135.p34BZNtM071772@x.it.okstate.edu> Rather than installing ubuntu8 and then attempting to upgrade to 9 and then 10, I downloaded ubuntu9.10 and tried that to see if it would work. Part of the problem turned out to be that the monitor I am using appears to not be able to handle anything but standard VGA signals. When the boot process starts, the screen goes completely random with all kinds of colors and squiggles but I did get orca to speak and one could almost feel a palpable optimism until a few minutes later when the whole system froze up and I had to start that whole bootup process again. This appears to be a rather frequent state of affairs as it took multiple runs at the installation process before it seemed to finally complete without just going off in to never-never land. What I have is a system that almost works except for these intermittent crashes that may happen 5 minutes or 5 hours after startup. One will be typing along and then you don't hear a keystroke echoed nor anything else and it's game over and reboot. The notes on upgrading from 9.10 say the following: * Significant numbers of people with NVIDIA and ATI graphics boards have been seeing problems, so you might want to delay your upgrade until the following issue is resolved: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/464591 I haven't gotten there yet to read that report, but this system has an NVIDIA board in it. My experience with ubuntu, so far, has been fabulous so I have faith that this problem will be resolved, but right now, it's driving me nuts. Is it okay to ssh in to the system, using a command-line, to do the upgrade process as I just don't trust it to stay up long enough to complete tasks that, if half done, mean a complete restart from scratch again. This all looks like it is going to be really great if it can be made stable. Martin McCormick From steve at fullmeasure.co.uk Mon Apr 4 14:56:25 2011 From: steve at fullmeasure.co.uk (Steve Lee) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:56:25 +0100 Subject: embedded text to speech converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2 April 2011 08:07, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > I am presently developing a low cost product with the team > members on porting tts software on a tablet which runs ubuntu. So I needed > to know that is there any TTS software which runs on ubuntu on a embedded > platform preferably based on QT You may find the Debian embedded community useful if you get stuck. At least one dev there works on AT. Steve Lee Full Measure From pstowe at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:06:54 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:06:54 -0400 Subject: Blueprint Meeting: Wednesday April 6, 2011 Time TBA Message-ID: Hi, Following up on our last meeting, there will be a meeting on April 6, 2011 to go over what we've managed to do so far on our blueprint from the last UDS and see what needs to be postponed. If we have time we will also start thinking about our blueprint for next UDS. This is not instead of our normal meeting in 2 weeks, but a supplimental meeting. What I would like to know is if 2100 UTC or 2200 UTC is better for people now that most of us have changed to summer time? Once I know that I'll announce the time. Thanks, Penelope From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:49:17 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:49:17 -0400 Subject: 11.04 - Unity keyboard/mouse shortcuts - Ask Ubuntu - Stack Exchange Message-ID: <4D99E87D.5010904@gmail.com> Those interested in trying Unity may consider this list of keyboard shortcuts handy. Please feel free to fil any gaps. Wish I'd had it yesterday, during Global Jam. HTH, Dave Hunt http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts From pstowe at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:55:11 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:55:11 -0400 Subject: 11.04 - Unity keyboard/mouse shortcuts - Ask Ubuntu - Stack Exchange In-Reply-To: <4D99E87D.5010904@gmail.com> References: <4D99E87D.5010904@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Dave Hunt wrote: > > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts According to Jorge Castro, that is the final list. I'm going to try to create a page on the Ubuntu accessibility wiki[0] this week that duplicates the info. ~Penelope [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility From elle.uca at ubuntu.com Mon Apr 4 21:19:47 2011 From: elle.uca at ubuntu.com (Luca Ferretti) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 23:19:47 +0200 Subject: 11.04 - Unity keyboard/mouse shortcuts - Ask Ubuntu - Stack Exchange In-Reply-To: <4D99E87D.5010904@gmail.com> References: <4D99E87D.5010904@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2011/4/4 Dave Hunt : > Those interested in trying Unity may consider this list of keyboard > shortcuts handy. Please feel free to fil any gaps.   Wish I'd had it > yesterday, during Global Jam. > > HTH, > > Dave  Hunt > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts > This triggers in me the following question: why was it documented on unofficial resource (and closed source platform)? Why was it not on hosted on wiki.ubuntu.com? And, more, why was that page linked in beta announce? PS I'm not against askbuntu, I'm for ubuntu community resources From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 21:51:02 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:51:02 -0400 Subject: 11.04 - Unity keyboard/mouse shortcuts - Ask Ubuntu - Stack Exchange In-Reply-To: References: <4D99E87D.5010904@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I meant no offense to the Ubuntu community. When googling for a shortcut list, that was the first hit. I think it's a paste from a post in the Ubuntu wiki? On 4/4/11, Luca Ferretti wrote: > 2011/4/4 Dave Hunt : >> Those interested in trying Unity may consider this list of keyboard >> shortcuts handy. Please feel free to fil any gaps.   Wish I'd had it >> yesterday, during Global Jam. >> >> HTH, >> >> Dave  Hunt >> >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts >> > > This triggers in me the following question: why was it documented on > unofficial resource (and closed source platform)? Why was it not on > hosted on wiki.ubuntu.com? And, more, why was that page linked in beta > announce? > > PS I'm not against askbuntu, I'm for ubuntu community resources > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Mon Apr 4 22:02:13 2011 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:02:13 +0100 Subject: 11.04 - Unity keyboard/mouse shortcuts - Ask Ubuntu - Stack Exchange In-Reply-To: References: <4D99E87D.5010904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D9A3FE5.9070507@theopenlearningcentre.com> On 04/04/11 22:19, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > This triggers in me the following question: why was it documented on > unofficial resource (and closed source platform)? Why was it not on > hosted on wiki.ubuntu.com? And, more, why was that page linked in beta > announce? > > PS I'm not against askbuntu, I'm for ubuntu community resources > I thought I had answered that one already http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/01/%23ubuntu-website.html It will go on the wiki now that the list has been stabilized. Alan. From vilmar at informal.com.br Tue Apr 5 16:18:57 2011 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 13:18:57 -0300 Subject: my first try with 11.04 Message-ID: <4D9B40F1.6030403@informal.com.br> Hi all. Yesterday I did a try with the Natty live CD beta. The first thing that I noticed is that Ubuntu was activated with the gnome classic interface. Is this the default when running natty with orca even in the final Natty version? How can I activate the unity interface? I experimented some crashes when pressing ctrl+alt+tab. Something that I can do to avoid the crashes? Thanks. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Apr 5 16:43:05 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:43:05 -0600 Subject: my first try with 11.04 In-Reply-To: <4D9B40F1.6030403@informal.com.br> References: <4D9B40F1.6030403@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <20110405104305.2ce8b83d@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 13:18:57 -0300 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > > Yesterday I did a try with the Natty live CD beta. > The first thing that I noticed is that Ubuntu was activated with the > gnome classic interface. > Is this the default when running natty with orca even in the final > Natty version? > How can I activate the unity interface? > > I experimented some crashes when pressing ctrl+alt+tab. > Something that I can do to avoid the crashes? > > Thanks. > Yes, classic-gnome will be the default for accessibility. to change sessions, select your username at the login screen, then select the session at the bottom, ubuntu, then enter your password. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 18:50:56 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:50:56 -0400 Subject: my first try with 11.04 In-Reply-To: <4D9B40F1.6030403@informal.com.br> References: <4D9B40F1.6030403@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4D9B6490.2050602@gmail.com> Hola Jose! When you run Natty with any of the accessibility profiles, you get classic Gnome. One way to get Unity, instead, is to run Natty, without the blindness profile, activate Orca, manually, log out, then log back in. When Orca restarts, it should announce "Current environment is Unity". Also, you should be able to set this in "login screen" preferences. For each user, you can supposedly set the environment to use. I had a problem, and ended up with a kind of "hybrid" of Gnome and Unity. Maybe this was due to a Policy Kit crash? I posted a list of Unity keyboard shortcuts on the Orca, Vinux, and Ubuntu Accessibility lists. It should also be in the Ubuntu wiki, perhaps in "accessibility"? I find that, whether in Unity, or Classic Gnome, Orca is very sluggish. On some occasions, it would just stop talking, but still be running. All I could do was wait. There are a lot of crashes, especially in Classic Gnome. Other than reporting them in Launchpad, I'm not certain what to do. Best Regards, Dave H. On 04/05/2011 12:18 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > > Yesterday I did a try with the Natty live CD beta. > The first thing that I noticed is that Ubuntu was activated with the > gnome classic interface. > Is this the default when running natty with orca even in the final > Natty version? > How can I activate the unity interface? > > I experimented some crashes when pressing ctrl+alt+tab. > Something that I can do to avoid the crashes? > > Thanks. > From nolan at thewordnerd.info Tue Apr 5 21:57:10 2011 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:57:10 -0500 Subject: Adding accessibility profiles after the fact? Message-ID: <4D9B9036.1060701@thewordnerd.info> Hello. I just bought a new laptop. Unfortunately, nothing I do gets the installation CD to come up talking, so I'm thinking that I'll be taking it into the store to have them do the install for me. To simplify matters, though, I'm wondering if it is possible to add/activate the blindness profile after the installation is done? Yes, I can just run Orca once logged in. That won't make Orca run at login, however. I'm sure there are documents out there that explain how to configure accessibility at the login screen, but it might make more sense to just package the necessary configuration changes as a .deb that can be installed later. Does something like this exist, or is it possible via some other means? Thanks. From pstowe at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 22:00:54 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 18:00:54 -0400 Subject: Adding accessibility profiles after the fact? In-Reply-To: <4D9B9036.1060701@thewordnerd.info> References: <4D9B9036.1060701@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Hello. I just bought a new laptop. Unfortunately, nothing I do gets the > installation CD to come up talking, so I'm thinking that I'll be taking it > into the store to have them do the install for me. To simplify matters, > though, I'm wondering if it is possible to add/activate the blindness > profile after the installation is done? Is your installation CD for Lucid (Ubuntu 10.04) or Maverick (Ubuntu 10.10)? The Maverick live CD's accessible installer doesn't work. If you can get your hands on one for Lucid, it's probably best if you do that and upgrade. Otherwise someone who has more experience with installing Orca than I will hopefully come along with other suggestions. ~Penelope From pstowe at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 01:19:28 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 21:19:28 -0400 Subject: Meeting: April 6 2011 @ 2100 UTC Message-ID: Okay, almost everyone wanted 2100 UTC so that's when the meeting will be. If you can't make it, don't worry. This is mostly to go over the blueprint we did for Natty. I know a lot of things are going to need to get postponed and I just want a sense of where we are! I look forward to seeing as many of you in #ubuntu-accessibility at 2100 UTC on Wednesday as possible! Penelope From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Thu Apr 7 14:21:45 2011 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:21:45 -0500 Subject: Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! Message-ID: <201104071421.p37ELjxI091877@x.it.okstate.edu> After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings, basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if something was happening, but more dead silence. The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to boot the ubuntu10.10 CD. The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10 live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up. The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to start orca and one does hear "Welcome to orca." The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however. It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes; maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway. I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11 has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca running. During one time when things were running, I installed and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ processor and it all seems to be working like it should. I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to work based on that. My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other than to choose a 1-meg buffer. I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10 refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't remember where it was, so to speak. From guyster104 at att.net Thu Apr 7 18:58:09 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:58:09 -0400 Subject: Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! In-Reply-To: <201104071421.p37ELjxI091877@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104071421.p37ELjxI091877@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4D9E0941.4020305@att.net> Hey there Martin, do not give up yet. Have you asked your wife to look at the volume levels once you have booted the Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) live CD? I'm thinking that your sound hardware is recognized, however your sound is muted. I have seen this on occasion when installing Ubuntu from the live CD. In the cases I've come across, simply unmuting the sound once is enough to get everything up and running normally. I hope this is helpful if you get the chance to try again. Guy On 04/07/2011 10:21 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings, > basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing > that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system > running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The > ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although > it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the > booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser > mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously > reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things > would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed > by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if > something was happening, but more dead silence. > > The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same > time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is > just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to > boot the ubuntu10.10 CD. > > The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the > older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10 > live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up. > > The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to > start orca and one does hear "Welcome to orca." > > The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however. > It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes; > maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear > no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW > reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on > the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find > them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway. > > I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to > talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system > wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just > end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as > to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11 > has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca > running. > > During one time when things were running, I installed > and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ > processor and it all seems to be working like it should. > > I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely > tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When > trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on > ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery > mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to > work based on that. > > My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup > several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound > is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot > order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a > 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other > than to choose a 1-meg buffer. > > I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10 > refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't > remember where it was, so to speak. > From linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 21:46:02 2011 From: linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com (Alex H.) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 17:46:02 -0400 Subject: Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! In-Reply-To: <4D9E0941.4020305@att.net> References: <201104071421.p37ELjxI091877@x.it.okstate.edu> <4D9E0941.4020305@att.net> Message-ID: Hi, Yes, try seeing if the sound is muted when Ubuntu comes up, it's happened on an old HP notebook I had. As for 9.10, it's a nightmare with Orca. I had the most issues with that release and it should be avoided anyways as 10.10 is out. Alex On 4/7/11, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hey there Martin, do not give up yet. Have you asked your wife to look > at the volume levels once you have booted the Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) > live CD? I'm thinking that your sound hardware is recognized, however > your sound is muted. I have seen this on occasion when installing > Ubuntu from the live CD. In the cases I've come across, simply unmuting > the sound once is enough to get everything up and running normally. I > hope this is helpful if you get the chance to try again. > > > Guy > > > On 04/07/2011 10:21 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: >> After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings, >> basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing >> that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system >> running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The >> ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although >> it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the >> booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser >> mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously >> reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things >> would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed >> by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if >> something was happening, but more dead silence. >> >> The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same >> time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is >> just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to >> boot the ubuntu10.10 CD. >> >> The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the >> older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10 >> live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up. >> >> The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to >> start orca and one does hear "Welcome to orca." >> >> The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however. >> It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes; >> maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear >> no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW >> reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on >> the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find >> them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway. >> >> I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to >> talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system >> wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just >> end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as >> to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11 >> has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca >> running. >> >> During one time when things were running, I installed >> and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ >> processor and it all seems to be working like it should. >> >> I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely >> tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When >> trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on >> ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery >> mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to >> work based on that. >> >> My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup >> several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound >> is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot >> order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a >> 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other >> than to choose a 1-meg buffer. >> >> I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10 >> refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't >> remember where it was, so to speak. >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Apr 9 09:46:50 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 05:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 05:13:15 From: Albert Sten-Clanton To: 'Jude DaShiell' , orca-list at gnome.org Subject: RE: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) Greetings! The problems in the message you forwarded sound a good deal like ones I had. I don't know what might work with a Ubuntu live CD, which I'd like to so I could play with the Unity desktop. I did get Vinux 3.1 to work, though, thanks to the Vinux quickstart guide: http://vinuxproject.org/getting-started- In particular, using the volume_keys command described in the section about troubleshooting sound problems got me a talking Vinux. I also note that I did not have sound after actually installing Vinux 3.1 on my hard drive: the sound settings that volume_keys allowed me to get didn't carry over. I used the instructions for storing the state of the sound card found at With a change or two relevant to my then-new Vinux installation. It worked. Hope this is useful. Al ----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces at gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces at gnome.org] On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 4:14 AM To: orca-list at gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:21:45 From: Martin McCormick To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings, basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if something was happening, but more dead silence. The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to boot the ubuntu10.10 CD. The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10 live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up. The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to start orca and one does hear "Welcome to orca." The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however. It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes; maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway. I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11 has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca running. During one time when things were running, I installed and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ processor and it all seems to be working like it should. I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to work based on that. My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other than to choose a 1-meg buffer. I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10 refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't remember where it was, so to speak. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list at gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From mj at mjw.se Sat Apr 9 12:46:37 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:46:37 +0200 Subject: Boot.img.gz Message-ID: <001001cbf6b4$2ab767c0$5a17e255@mj> Are it accessible for the blind? To install from Braille etc? From undifined at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 13:07:07 2011 From: undifined at gmail.com (UndiFineD) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:07:07 +0200 Subject: Boot.img.gz In-Reply-To: <001001cbf6b4$2ab767c0$5a17e255@mj> References: <001001cbf6b4$2ab767c0$5a17e255@mj> Message-ID: 2011/4/9 mattias : > Are it accessible for the blind? > To install from > Braille etc? Hello Mattias, Could you elaborate ? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/installation-guide/amd64/boot-installer-accessibility.html USB braille displays should be automatically detected. A textual version of the installer will then be automatically selected, and support for the braille display will be automatically installed on the target system. Serial braille displays cannot safely be automatically detected (since that may damage some of them). You thus need to append the brltty=driver,port,table boot parameter to tell brltty which driver it should use. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sat Apr 9 13:16:23 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 07:16:23 -0600 Subject: Boot.img.gz In-Reply-To: <001001cbf6b4$2ab767c0$5a17e255@mj> References: <001001cbf6b4$2ab767c0$5a17e255@mj> Message-ID: <20110409071623.4c4cc1b4@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:46:37 +0200 "mattias" wrote: > Are it accessible for the blind? > To install from > Braille etc? > > As a person that does a lot of testing, I don't know. I do not have access to a braille terminal. Natty Narwhal Beta 2 images will be tested this week. It would be great to have someone that can test this do so. Images will be available from [1] for testing starting Tuesday, 2011-04-12. [1] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From mj at mjw.se Sat Apr 9 13:17:29 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:17:29 +0200 Subject: Boot.img.gz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001cbf6b8$7ae933f0$5a17e255@mj> Thanks for that but no about wich cd it meens Alternate etc -----Original Message----- From: UndiFineD [mailto:undifined at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:07 PM To: mattias Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Boot.img.gz 2011/4/9 mattias : > Are it accessible for the blind? > To install from > Braille etc? Hello Mattias, Could you elaborate ? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/installation-guide/amd64/boot-installer-access ibility.html USB braille displays should be automatically detected. A textual version of the installer will then be automatically selected, and support for the braille display will be automatically installed on the target system. Serial braille displays cannot safely be automatically detected (since that may damage some of them). You thus need to append the brltty=driver,port,table boot parameter to tell brltty which driver it should use. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) From mj at mjw.se Sat Apr 9 14:03:00 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:03:00 +0200 Subject: Boot.img.gz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701cbf6be$d7f8b150$5a17e255@mj> The manual says Usb braille terminal should be detected automaticly Not correct -----Original Message----- From: UndiFineD [mailto:undifined at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:07 PM To: mattias Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Boot.img.gz 2011/4/9 mattias : > Are it accessible for the blind? > To install from > Braille etc? Hello Mattias, Could you elaborate ? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/installation-guide/amd64/boot-installer-access ibility.html USB braille displays should be automatically detected. A textual version of the installer will then be automatically selected, and support for the braille display will be automatically installed on the target system. Serial braille displays cannot safely be automatically detected (since that may damage some of them). You thus need to append the brltty=driver,port,table boot parameter to tell brltty which driver it should use. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) From leigh at hypatia.ca Sat Apr 9 14:34:37 2011 From: leigh at hypatia.ca (Leigh Honeywell) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 10:34:37 -0400 Subject: Boot.img.gz In-Reply-To: <20110409071623.4c4cc1b4@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <001001cbf6b4$2ab767c0$5a17e255@mj> <20110409071623.4c4cc1b4@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4DA06E7D.7000306@hypatia.ca> On 11-04-09 09:16 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > As a person that does a lot of testing, I don't know. I do not have > access to a braille terminal. Natty Narwhal Beta 2 images will be > tested this week. It would be great to have someone that can test this > do so. Images will be available from [1] for testing starting Tuesday, > 2011-04-12. > > [1] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ I can borrow a Braille display from a friend and do some testing after the images go live. -Leigh From mj at mjw.se Sat Apr 9 14:37:10 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 16:37:10 +0200 Subject: Boot.img.gz In-Reply-To: <4DA06E7D.7000306@hypatia.ca> Message-ID: <000201cbf6c3$9c7378e0$5a17e255@mj> No idea The braille support not work -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Honeywell Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 4:35 PM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Boot.img.gz On 11-04-09 09:16 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > As a person that does a lot of testing, I don't know. I do not have > access to a braille terminal. Natty Narwhal Beta 2 images will be > tested this week. It would be great to have someone that can test this > do so. Images will be available from [1] for testing starting Tuesday, > 2011-04-12. > > [1] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ I can borrow a Braille display from a friend and do some testing after the images go live. -Leigh -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Sat Apr 9 20:54:22 2011 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:54:22 -0500 Subject: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) Message-ID: <201104092054.p39KsMwK005889@x.it.okstate.edu> This is all very interesting. We have two video monitors in our house with VGA connectors. One was easy to get to but very old. The other is about ten years old and much more advanced. It turns out that it is capable of syncing to multiple frame rates and it performs flawlessly on the computer in question. It turns out that there is a perfect desktop that appears every time in both Vinux3.1 and the ubuntu live CD but both run totally silently which is kind of a bad thing, as sound is everything, here. I did try something kind of similar to what is discussed below in that I brought up the ubuntu9 version of orca that does talk and made a shell script using terminal to set the amixer controls that appear to be on and working and would contribute to hearing sound. The script is: #! /bin/sh amixer sset 'Master',0 100%,100% on,on amixer sset 'PCM',0 85%,85% on,on amixer sset 'Center',0 100%,100% on,on With my wife watching, I booted vinux3.1, typed Control-Alt-t to start the terminal and then performed sudo su - to be root. All that worked as expected so I plugged in the thumb drive that I had saved that script to, mounted it on /mnt and then typed: sh /mnt/setmixer (the name of the file with those commands) The commands were accepted. When run on the working sound system in ubuntu9, they turned up the volume a bit because I set some sliders to 100% With the vinux3.1 CD, the commands mimed as if they had worked, but no sound resulted. This is certainly not a vinux problem because the ubuntu10.10 live CD mimics the same behavior as near as I can tell. We get a perfect desktop. The language selection and calling of orca works on screen just like the instructions for starting it say, but no sound ever pours forth. I bet both will talk if I can monkey-wrench that sound card to actually be on and producing signals. There is only one sound card on the system and that is the on-board chip set that Dell uses. The hardware discovery process for sound has always been problematic through the years and here, it seems to prove that quote attributed to Mark Twain. "It's not what we don't know that hurts us, but what we know that just ain't so." Jude DaShiell writes: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 05:13:15 > From: Albert Sten-Clanton > To: 'Jude DaShiell' , orca-list at gnome.org > Subject: RE: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) > > Greetings! > > The problems in the message you forwarded sound a good deal like ones I > had. > I don't know what might work with a Ubuntu live CD, which I'd like to so I > could play with the Unity desktop. I did get Vinux 3.1 to work, though, > thanks to the Vinux quickstart guide: From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Apr 9 21:14:27 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <201104092054.p39KsMwK005889@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104092054.p39KsMwK005889@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Almost for sure, pulse auio has got a part in this mess. > This is all very interesting. We have two video monitors in our > house with VGA connectors. One was easy to get to but very old. The > other is about ten years old and much more advanced. It turns out that > it is capable of syncing to multiple frame rates and it performs > flawlessly on the computer in question. > > It turns out that there is a perfect desktop that > appears every time in both Vinux3.1 and the ubuntu live CD but > both run totally silently which is kind of a bad thing, as sound > is everything, here. > > I did try something kind of similar to what is discussed > below in that I brought up the ubuntu9 version of orca that does > talk and made a shell script using terminal to set the amixer > controls that appear to be on and working and would contribute > to hearing sound. > > The script is: > > #! /bin/sh > amixer sset 'Master',0 100%,100% on,on > amixer sset 'PCM',0 85%,85% on,on > amixer sset 'Center',0 100%,100% on,on > > With my wife watching, I booted vinux3.1, typed > Control-Alt-t to start the terminal and then performed sudo su - > to be root. > > All that worked as expected so I plugged in the thumb > drive that I had saved that script to, mounted it on /mnt and > then typed: > > sh /mnt/setmixer (the name of the file with those commands) > > The commands were accepted. When run on the working > sound system in ubuntu9, they turned up the volume a bit because > I set some sliders to 100% > > With the vinux3.1 CD, the commands mimed as if they had > worked, but no sound resulted. > > This is certainly not a vinux problem because the > ubuntu10.10 live CD mimics the same behavior as near as I can > tell. We get a perfect desktop. The language selection and > calling of orca works on screen just like the instructions for > starting it say, but no sound ever pours forth. > > I bet both will talk if I can monkey-wrench that sound > card to actually be on and producing signals. > > There is only one sound card on the system and that is > the on-board chip set that Dell uses. > > The hardware discovery process for sound has always been > problematic through the years and here, it seems to prove that > quote attributed to Mark Twain. "It's not what we don't know > that hurts us, but what we know that just ain't so." > > Jude DaShiell writes: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 05:13:15 > > From: Albert Sten-Clanton > > To: 'Jude DaShiell' , orca-list at gnome.org > > Subject: RE: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) > > > > Greetings! > > > > The problems in the message you forwarded sound a good deal like ones I > > had. > > I don't know what might work with a Ubuntu live CD, which I'd like to so I > > could play with the Unity desktop. I did get Vinux 3.1 to work, though, > > thanks to the Vinux quickstart guide: > > From mj at mjw.se Sat Apr 9 21:38:53 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 23:38:53 +0200 Subject: The first ubuntu install with working brltty Message-ID: <000601cbf6fe$85ecdd10$5a17e255@mj> Wich whas it? From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Apr 11 02:03:19 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:03:19 +1000 Subject: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <201104092054.p39KsMwK005889@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104092054.p39KsMwK005889@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <20110411020319.GA4342@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 06:54:22AM EST, Martin McCormick wrote: > With the vinux3.1 CD, the commands mimed as if they had > worked, but no sound resulted. Martin, could you please follow the following instructions, so I can get some more information about you rhardware, please do this on a live CD where you cannot get sound working. 1. Download this file: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh 2. Put it onto a USB stick, and boot into the live CD and mount ths tick as you did for your other script. 3. Run the script like so, so we save the info to a text file: bash /mnt/alsa-info.txt --no-upload --output /mnt/alsa-info.txt. 4. Attach the file to a message and send it to me, themuso at ubuntu.com, or feel free to send it to the list if you would like. If you could do this, that would be great. Thanks. Luke From inayaili.de.leon at canonical.com Mon Apr 11 11:06:59 2011 From: inayaili.de.leon at canonical.com (Inayaili Leon) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:06:59 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu redesign Message-ID: <6A8A19B7-2AE0-4EF8-9BCB-4F97298F9B42@canonical.com> Hi all, As you might have heard, we are redesigning some sections of the ubuntu.com website and we'd like to listen to your concerns and suggestions regarding what is currently implemented and also about what we have planned. I will be on the #ubuntu-accessibility channel today at 2.30pm BST for about an hour, so I can show you some designs and listen to your feedback. We'll take all of your comments into consideration, but we may not be able to implement all of them, at least for now. It would be great if you could be there. Also, as you might have guessed, we'd appreciate it if you didn't blog about or post any kind of comments to the "outside world" on it, as this is still work in progress and will only be made live by the next release. Thanks, Yaili From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Tue Apr 12 02:55:42 2011 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:55:42 -0500 Subject: [orca-list] Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up! (fwd) Message-ID: <201104120255.p3C2tg2s019309@x.it.okstate.edu> Here is the alsa-info.sh output. I also tried ubuntu11.04 and it is also dead for sound. Probably same reason. upload=true&script=true&cardinfo= !!################################ !!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.60 !!################################ !!Script ran on: Tue Apr 12 02:32:06 UTC 2011 !!Linux Distribution !!------------------ Ubuntu 10.10 \n \l DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.10" !!DMI Information !!--------------- Manufacturer: Dell Computer Corporation Product Name: Dimension 4600i Product Version: !!Kernel Information !!------------------ Kernel release: 2.6.35-22-generic Operating System: GNU/Linux Architecture: i686 Processor: unknown SMP Enabled: Yes !!ALSA Version !!------------ Driver version: 1.0.23 Library version: 1.0.23 Utilities version: 1.0.23 !!Loaded ALSA modules !!------------------- snd_intel8x0 !!Sound Servers on this system !!---------------------------- Pulseaudio: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) Running - Yes ESound Daemon: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/esd) Running - No !!Soundcards recognised by ALSA !!----------------------------- 0 [ICH5 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH5 Intel ICH5 with AD1980 at irq 17 !!PCI Soundcards installed in the system !!-------------------------------------- 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) !!Advanced information - PCI Vendor/Device/Subsystem ID's !!-------------------------------------------------------- 00:1f.5 0401: 8086:24d5 (rev 02) Subsystem: 1028:0174 !!Modprobe options (Sound related) !!-------------------------------- snd-atiixp-modem: index=-2 snd-intel8x0m: index=-2 snd-via82xx-modem: index=-2 snd-usb-audio: index=-2 snd-usb-caiaq: index=-2 snd-usb-ua101: index=-2 snd-usb-us122l: index=-2 snd-usb-usx2y: index=-2 snd-cmipci: mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388 snd-pcsp: index=-2 snd-usb-audio: index=-2 !!Loaded sound module options !!-------------------------- !!Module: snd_intel8x0 ac97_clock : 0 ac97_quirk : (null) buggy_irq : N buggy_semaphore : N enable : N id : (null) index : -1 joystick : 0 spdif_aclink : 0 xbox : N !!AC97 Codec information !!--------------------------- --startcollapse-- 0-0/0: Analog Devices AD1980 PCI Subsys Vendor: 0x1028 PCI Subsys Device: 0x0174 Flags: 30 Capabilities : -headphone out- DAC resolution : 20-bit ADC resolution : 16-bit 3D enhancement : No 3D Stereo Enhancement Current setup Mic gain : +0dB [+0dB] POP path : pre 3D Sim. stereo : off 3D enhancement : off Loudness : off Mono output : MIX Mic select : Mic1 ADC/DAC loopback : off Double rate slots: 10/11 Extended ID : codec=0 rev=0 AMAP LDAC SDAC CDAC DSA=0 DRA VRA Extended status : LDAC SDAC CDAC VRA PCM front DAC : 44100Hz PCM Surr DAC : 44100Hz PCM LFE DAC : 44100Hz PCM ADC : 44100Hz AD18XX configuration Unchained : 0x1000,0x0000,0x0000 Chained : 0x0000,0x0000,0x0000 0:00 = 0090 0:02 = 1f1f 0:04 = 0606 0:06 = 801f 0:08 = 0000 0:0a = 0000 0:0c = 801f 0:0e = 801f 0:10 = 9f9f 0:12 = 0606 0:14 = 0000 0:16 = 9f9f 0:18 = 0606 0:1a = 0000 0:1c = 0000 0:1e = 0000 0:20 = 0000 0:22 = 0000 0:24 = 0000 0:26 = 000f 0:28 = 03c3 0:2a = 01f1 0:2c = ac44 0:2e = ac44 0:30 = ac44 0:32 = ac44 0:34 = 0000 0:36 = 9f80 0:38 = 9f9f 0:3a = 2000 0:3c = 0000 0:3e = 0000 0:40 = 0000 0:42 = 0000 0:44 = 0000 0:46 = 0000 0:48 = 0000 0:4a = 0000 0:4c = 0000 0:4e = 0000 0:50 = 0000 0:52 = 0000 0:54 = 0000 0:56 = 0000 0:58 = 0000 0:5a = 0000 0:5c = 0000 0:5e = 0000 0:60 = 8080 0:62 = 0000 0:64 = 0000 0:66 = 0000 0:68 = 0000 0:6a = 0000 0:6c = 0000 0:6e = 0000 0:70 = 0000 0:72 = 000c 0:74 = 1001 0:76 = 7c20 0:78 = 0000 0:7a = 0000 0:7c = 4144 0:7e = 5370 --endcollapse-- !!ALSA Device nodes !!----------------- crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 10 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/controlC0 crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 9 Apr 12 02:21 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 8 Apr 12 02:26 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 7 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/pcmC0D1c crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 6 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/pcmC0D2c crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 5 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/pcmC0D3c crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 4 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/pcmC0D4p crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 3 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/seq crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 2 Apr 12 02:20 /dev/snd/timer /dev/snd/by-path: total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Apr 12 02:20 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 240 Apr 12 02:20 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 12 02:20 pci-0000:00:1f.5 -> ../controlC0 !!Aplay/Arecord output !!------------ APLAY **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 4: Intel ICH - IEC958 [Intel ICH5 - IEC958] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 ARECORD **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 1: Intel ICH - MIC ADC [Intel ICH5 - MIC ADC] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 2: Intel ICH - MIC2 ADC [Intel ICH5 - MIC2 ADC] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 3: Intel ICH - ADC2 [Intel ICH5 - ADC2] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 !!Amixer output !!------------- !!-------Mixer controls for card 0 [ICH5] Card hw:0 'ICH5'/'Intel ICH5 with AD1980 at irq 17' Mixer name : 'Analog Devices AD1980' Components : 'AC97a:41445370' Controls : 40 Simple ctrls : 29 Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [-9.00dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [-9.00dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Master Mono',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [-46.50dB] [off] Simple mixer control 'Master Surround',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-46.50dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-46.50dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Headphone Jack Sense',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Surround',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-46.50dB] [off] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-46.50dB] [off] Simple mixer control 'Surround Jack Mode',0 Capabilities: enum Items: 'Shared' 'Independent' Item0: 'Shared' Simple mixer control 'Center',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [off] Simple mixer control 'LFE',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [-46.50dB] [off] Simple mixer control 'Line',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off] Capture [off] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off] Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Line Jack Sense',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'CD',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on] Capture [off] Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [on] Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Mic',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Mono Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off] Front Left: Capture [on] Front Right: Capture [on] Simple mixer control 'Mic Boost (+20dB)',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'Mic Select',0 Capabilities: enum Items: 'Mic1' 'Mic2' Item0: 'Mic1' Simple mixer control 'Video',0 Capabilities: cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum Capture exclusive group: 0 Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Front Left: Capture [off] Front Right: Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Phone',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Mono Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off] Front Left: Capture [off] Front Right: Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Aux',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off] Capture [off] Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-34.50dB] [off] Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 15 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [on] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'Mix',0 Capabilities: cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum Capture exclusive group: 0 Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Front Left: Capture [off] Front Right: Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Mix Mono',0 Capabilities: cswitch cswitch-exclusive penum Capture exclusive group: 0 Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Front Left: Capture [off] Front Right: Capture [off] Simple mixer control 'Channel Mode',0 Capabilities: enum Items: '2ch' '4ch' '6ch' Item0: '2ch' Simple mixer control 'Downmix',0 Capabilities: enum Items: 'Off' '6 -> 4' '6 -> 2' Item0: 'Off' Simple mixer control 'Exchange Front/Surround',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'External Amplifier',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Simple mixer control 'High Pass Filter Enable',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Simple mixer control 'Spread Front to Surround and Center/LFE',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'Stereo Mic',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [off] Simple mixer control 'V_REFOUT Enable',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] !!Alsactl output !!------------- --startcollapse-- state.ICH5 { control.1 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 2 iface MIXER name 'Master Surround Playback Switch' value.0 true value.1 true } control.2 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -4650 comment.dbmax 0 iface MIXER name 'Master Surround Playback Volume' value.0 0 value.1 0 } control.3 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 1 iface MIXER name 'Center Playback Switch' value false } control.4 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 1 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -4650 comment.dbmax 0 iface MIXER name 'Center Playback Volume' value 31 } control.5 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 1 iface MIXER name 'LFE Playback Switch' value false } control.6 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 1 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -4650 comment.dbmax 0 iface MIXER name 'LFE Playback Volume' value 0 } control.7 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 2 iface MIXER name 'Surround Playback Switch' value.0 false value.1 false } control.8 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -4650 comment.dbmax 0 iface MIXER name 'Surround Playback Volume' value.0 0 value.1 0 } control.9 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 2 iface MIXER name 'Master Playback Switch' value.0 true value.1 true } control.10 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -4650 comment.dbmax 0 iface MIXER name 'Master Playback Volume' value.0 25 value.1 25 } control.11 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 1 iface MIXER name 'Master Mono Playback Switch' value false } control.12 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 1 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -4650 comment.dbmax 0 iface MIXER name 'Master Mono Playback Volume' value 0 } control.13 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 1 iface MIXER name 'Phone Playback Switch' value false } control.14 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 1 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -3450 comment.dbmax 1200 iface MIXER name 'Phone Playback Volume' value 0 } control.15 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 1 iface MIXER name 'Mic Playback Switch' value false } control.16 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 1 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -3450 comment.dbmax 1200 iface MIXER name 'Mic Playback Volume' value 0 } control.17 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 1 iface MIXER name 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' value false } control.18 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 2 iface MIXER name 'Line Playback Switch' value.0 false value.1 false } control.19 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -3450 comment.dbmax 1200 iface MIXER name 'Line Playback Volume' value.0 0 value.1 0 } control.20 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 2 iface MIXER name 'CD Playback Switch' value.0 true value.1 true } control.21 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -3450 comment.dbmax 1200 iface MIXER name 'CD Playback Volume' value.0 25 value.1 25 } control.22 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 2 iface MIXER name 'Aux Playback Switch' value.0 false value.1 false } control.23 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 31' comment.dbmin -3450 comment.dbmax 1200 iface MIXER name 'Aux Playback Volume' value.0 0 value.1 0 } control.24 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 2 iface MIXER name 'PCM Playback Switch' value.0 true value.1 true } control.25 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 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Message-ID: <4DA4056C.6000400@pickup.hu> Hy, I often using my Lucid system with Tomboy applet to quickly add a note, reviewing another notes or my schedule lists with I stored a "remaining schedules" note. I very like Tomboy because have shortcuts, and presenting already added notes with a menu. In Natty earliest and daily live CD, when I looked the default awailable applets list (in panel the add the panel dialog showing default awailable applets list dialog), Tomboy applet is missing the list now. This is a bug, or GNOME developers or Ubuntu panel applets package maintainers removed this applet the package? If only this applet default not installed, but awailable with an extra package installation, what package I need installing to awailable again this applet with applets list in Natty? Tomboy application is installed by default with live CD, only the applet missing in default awailable applets list. If this panel applet is deprecated and removed, what another easy and accessible usable possibility have with provide similar features with Tomboy already known? My Lucid system I like the Tomboy panel applet, because if I press Alt+F12 key combination, I see my notes, easy to add a note, etc. Attila From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Wed Apr 13 11:30:58 2011 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:30:58 -0500 Subject: Installing ubuntu desktop hopefully Later Message-ID: <201104131130.p3DBUw5g028543@x.it.okstate.edu> Yesterday, I downloaded ubuntu10.04 and it also comes right up but without sound. On this particular hardware, nothing has made any sound after 9.10 and I went up to 11.04. After running the alsa-info test, I can tell that the sound card is up, but those who are more expert than I am can probably tell more about the status of all the flags and registers that alsa-info.sh reports on. I thought the "simple mixer controls" all seemed set to similar values to what they are in ubuntu9.10 so I think the problem is that the software that feeds data to the sound card, the actual audio data, is broken. One of the how-to descriptions for ubuntu10.10 said to wait for the "melody" to play after selecting the language about 5 minutes after booting the CD. On this system, there has never been so much as a click out of the audio port in 10.04, 10.10 or 11.04. The system seems solid on all the later versions except for the sound so I think this will be a pleasure to experiment with if there is a fix for the sound on this hardware. I do have an output for hwinfo if anybody can use it as I suspect there are other similar systems out there as this one is not the least bit exotic. From lists at janc.be Thu Apr 14 10:33:48 2011 From: lists at janc.be (Jan Claeys) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:33:48 +0200 Subject: What happened with Tomboy applet in Natty? In-Reply-To: <4DA4056C.6000400@pickup.hu> References: <4DA4056C.6000400@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <1302777228.28649.57.camel@saeko> Hammer Attila schreef op di 12-04-2011 om 09:55 [+0200]: > I often using my Lucid system with Tomboy applet to quickly add a > note, reviewing another notes or my schedule lists with I stored a > "remaining schedules" note. I very like Tomboy because have shortcuts, > and presenting already added notes with a menu. > In Natty earliest and daily live CD, when I looked the default > awailable applets list (in panel the add the panel dialog showing > default awailable applets list dialog), Tomboy applet is missing the > list now. > This is a bug, or GNOME developers or Ubuntu panel applets package > maintainers removed this applet the package? I'm not sure if this is intentional or not (both gnome-shell and unity cannot use gnome-panel applets, so it might be intentional), but there is (also?) an indicator menu for Tomboy now, which shows up if Tomboy is started. > If only this applet default not installed, but awailable with an extra > package installation, what package I need installing to awailable > again this applet with applets list in Natty? > > Tomboy application is installed by default with live CD, only the > applet missing in default awailable applets list. > If this panel applet is deprecated and removed, what another easy and > accessible usable possibility have with provide similar features with > Tomboy already known? > My Lucid system I like the Tomboy panel applet, because if I press > Alt+F12 key combination, I see my notes, easy to add a note, etc. It seems like those shortcuts, although listed in the "Preferences", don't work with the indicator applet, so maybe that's the real bug? :-( -- Jan Claeys From jdashiel at shellworld.net Thu Apr 14 11:48:31 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Installing ubuntu desktop hopefully Later In-Reply-To: <201104131130.p3DBUw5g028543@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201104131130.p3DBUw5g028543@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Did you hit the space bar several times on boot up to get to the language selection menu? You should know, ubuntu has been breaking accessibility for orca with some of its version releases and this also impacts vinux. I'm thinking either vinux really is needed as a defense against ubuntu accessibility breaks. That or maybe build a command line based system on debian with speakup then download and install gnome from gnome.org so you get the latest version with latest version of orca. The http://people.debian.org/~Sthibault/ website has isos of debian that will get speakup working in command line mode on sound card right out of the box too. Hope this helps. On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Martin McCormick wrote: > Yesterday, I downloaded ubuntu10.04 and it also comes > right up but without sound. On this particular hardware, nothing > has made any sound after 9.10 and I went up to 11.04. > > After running the alsa-info test, I can tell that the > sound card is up, but those who are more expert than I am can > probably tell more about the status of all the flags and > registers that alsa-info.sh reports on. > > I thought the "simple mixer controls" all seemed set to > similar values to what they are in ubuntu9.10 so I think the > problem is that the software that feeds data to the sound card, > the actual audio data, is broken. > > One of the how-to descriptions for ubuntu10.10 said to > wait for the "melody" to play after selecting the language about > 5 minutes after booting the CD. On this system, there has never > been so much as a click out of the audio port in 10.04, 10.10 or > 11.04. > > The system seems solid on all the later versions except > for the sound so I think this will be a pleasure to experiment > with if there is a fix for the sound on this hardware. > > I do have an output for hwinfo if anybody can use it as > I suspect there are other similar systems out there as this one > is not the least bit exotic. > > From lists at janc.be Thu Apr 14 11:49:47 2011 From: lists at janc.be (Jan Claeys) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:49:47 +0200 Subject: What happened with Tomboy applet in Natty? In-Reply-To: <1302777228.28649.57.camel@saeko> References: <4DA4056C.6000400@pickup.hu> <1302777228.28649.57.camel@saeko> Message-ID: <1302781787.28649.60.camel@saeko> Jan Claeys schreef op do 14-04-2011 om 12:33 [+0200]: > > My Lucid system I like the Tomboy panel applet, because if I press > > Alt+F12 key combination, I see my notes, easy to add a note, etc. > > It seems like those shortcuts, although listed in the "Preferences", > don't work with the indicator applet, so maybe that's the real bug? :-( This is the relevant bug report for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/685309 It also points to a workaround: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10490724&postcount=5 -- Jan Claeys From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Apr 14 14:18:11 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:18:11 +0200 Subject: What happened with Tomboy applet in Natty? In-Reply-To: <1302781787.28649.60.camel@saeko> References: <4DA4056C.6000400@pickup.hu> <1302777228.28649.57.camel@saeko> <1302781787.28649.60.camel@saeko> Message-ID: <4DA70223.2020702@pickup.hu> Hy Jan, Thank you the bugreport link. Unfortunately, the --start-here option always opening the starting intro note, the --new-note option always creating a new note. I think this two choosable option is want associate with a GNOME shortcut the linked workaround, this workaround not result equals good usable method with original Lucid have 1.2.2.0-ubuntu1 Tomboy version known. So the panel applet is removed because Tomboy moved the indicator area, but this possibility is now not working? Attila From mj at mjw.se Thu Apr 14 21:25:32 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:25:32 +0200 Subject: Installing ubuntu natty without eyes Message-ID: <000101cbfaea$7c9ac480$8117e255@mj> Yes i have successfuly do it today But I hate unity or what the new interface are called How to switch to the old From jwcampbell at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 00:43:04 2011 From: jwcampbell at gmail.com (Jim Campbell) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:43:04 -0500 Subject: Installing ubuntu natty without eyes In-Reply-To: <000101cbfaea$7c9ac480$8117e255@mj> References: <000101cbfaea$7c9ac480$8117e255@mj> Message-ID: Hello Mattias, Thank you for installing Ubuntu. I'm sorry that you had difficulty with Unity, or that you did not like it. You can use the Gnome 2-style interface ("the old," as you refer to it). To use the previous-style interface, you will need to select the "Ubuntu Classic" interface when you are logging in to Ubuntu. When the login screen comes up, select your user name, and then change the session from "Ubuntu" to "Ubuntu Classic." The session chooser is in the bottom panel on the login screen. Remember that the session chooser will only appear after you have selected your username. After you have changed the session, then enter your password, and press Enter. If this doesn't help you, please let us know. Thanks very much! Jim On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:25 PM, mattias wrote: > Yes i have successfuly do it today > But I hate unity or what the new interface are called > How to switch to the old > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The session chooser is in the bottom panel on the login screen. Remember that the session chooser will only appear after you have selected your username. After you have changed the session, then enter your password, and press Enter. If this doesn't help you, please let us know. Thanks very much! Jim On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:25 PM, mattias wrote: Yes i have successfuly do it today But I hate unity or what the new interface are called How to switch to the old -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From undifined at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 16:52:54 2011 From: undifined at gmail.com (UndiFineD) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:52:54 +0200 Subject: Installing ubuntu natty without eyes In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbfb41$1a9f3ac0$8117e255@mj> Message-ID: 2011/4/15 Jim Campbell : > Hi Mattias, > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 2:45 AM, mattias wrote: >> >> yes but how to change it because orca not running on login screen > > I'm sorry, I'm not as familiar with the accessibility tools. I just joined > to make sure that I learned about these tools. > > Hopefully someone else will be able to be of more help with this. > > Jim No I am sorry Jim, this is one of the issues unresolved Which for natty seems even worse As suggested on #ayatana the login screen needs work, with accessible tools availability like orca, onboard and others that need to be available there like fingerprint login of face recognition -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 21:44:44 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:44:44 -0400 Subject: Natty (Beta 2), comments and questions Message-ID: <4DAB5F4C.5000907@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vilmar at informal.com.br Mon Apr 18 02:39:07 2011 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:39:07 -0300 Subject: problems when running natty beta2 Message-ID: <4DABA44B.6020107@informal.com.br> Hi all. Today I gave a try with the live cd of ubuntu natty beta 2. I found the following problems: 1. The gvfsd-metadata and zeitgeist programs crashes. 2. The caps lock keys occasionally gets stuck. 3. The fan on my laptop stays on constantly. I found an application called syndaemon eating much of the CPU. After killing the application the fan stopped. From macoafi at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 03:36:48 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:36:48 -0400 Subject: Ohio LinuxFest Call for Presentations Message-ID: Ohio LinuxFest is hoping to receive more proposals from a more diverse range of participants in the FOSS arena than ever before. Last year I sent out an email blast like this to a handful of women's groups, and the result was that even after turning down over half the women's submissions, over 35% of accepted presentations were from women. Despite lack of outreach to accessibility groups (sorry!), 5% of speakers identified as disabled. Recognising there is more to diversity than gender (and that there are more distros than Debian/Ubuntu), the email blast has gotten bigger this year. Please pass this along to any other mailing lists you are aware of for minority groups within the community (and let me know about them). There is also a Diversity in Open Source workshop scheduled for Sunday. The cost is $20 including a brunch. Information about that can be found here: http://ohiolinux.org/dios The conferences does have a Diversity Statement: "The Ohio LinuxFest is dedicated for making Open Source truly open to everyone. We do not discriminate based on ethnic background, religion, gender, sexuality, body shape, disability, or even what operating system you use. We also do not tolerate harassment based on discrimination. We understand that some people need special assistance to fully enjoy our conference. If we can help you find a wheelchair, arrange for an ASL translator or a guide for the sight impaired, or any other special need, please let us know at assist at ohiolinux.org." It's a great conference for first-time presenters, so don't be shy! ========= The CFP deadline grows near for the Ohio LinuxFest's 9th Conference, to be held September 9-11, 2011, in Columbus, Ohio. The CFP deadline is May 1. The biggest Free & Open Source conference in the Eastern part of the US is looking for proposals to talk about a variety of topics, all relating to the free and open use of computers. Talks in the past have been for the experienced, the professionals, the hobbyists and those just looking to learn. Talks in the past have covered topics from embedded systems, Linux kernels and authentication to documentation, video games, politics, project management and so much more. We encourage people who are new to speaking but are experienced in their field or hobby to submit a proposal. Go here to submit your proposal today: http://www.ohiolinux.org/talksubmit The Ohio LinuxFest Institute seeks experienced instructors for our professional quality training. In the past classes have been geared towards system administrators but we are willing to look in other directions as well. Classes may be half day or full day and will take place on Friday, September 9. Go here for further information, including requirements and pay scale, and to submit your proposal: http://www.ohiolinux.org/tutsubmit -- Mackenzie Morgan From waywardgeek at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 14:39:54 2011 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:39:54 -0400 Subject: Is Java accessibility broken? Message-ID: I see that people seem to be using Java to play media in Ubuntu, but with at-spi running in Ubuntu 10.10 x64, I can't get a simple Java example off the web to run. The example I'm trying is attached. I compile it with 'javac SoundTest.java', and run it with 'java SoundTest'. The error dump follows: src> java SoundTest Apr 18, 2011 10:37:40 AM com.sun.corba.se.impl.ior.IORImpl getProfile WARNING: "IOP00511201: (INV_OBJREF) IOR must have at least one IIOP profile" org.omg.CORBA.INV_OBJREF: vmcid: SUN minor code: 1201 completed: No at com.sun.corba.se.impl.logging.IORSystemException.iorMustHaveIiopProfile(IORSystemException.java:473) at com.sun.corba.se.impl.logging.IORSystemException.iorMustHaveIiopProfile(IORSystemException.java:495) at com.sun.corba.se.impl.ior.IORImpl.getProfile(IORImpl.java:334) at com.sun.corba.se.impl.encoding.CDRInputStream_1_0.read_Object(CDRInputStream_1_0.java:787) at com.sun.corba.se.impl.encoding.CDRInputStream_1_0.read_Object(CDRInputStream_1_0.java:761) at com.sun.corba.se.impl.encoding.CDRInputStream.read_Object(CDRInputStream.java:231) at com.sun.corba.se.impl.resolver.INSURLOperationImpl.getIORFromString(INSURLOperationImpl.java:120) at com.sun.corba.se.impl.resolver.INSURLOperationImpl.operate(INSURLOperationImpl.java:130) at com.sun.corba.se.impl.orb.ORBImpl.string_to_object(ORBImpl.java:836) at org.GNOME.Accessibility.AccessUtil.getRegistryObject(AccessUtil.java:143) at org.GNOME.Accessibility.JavaBridge.registerApplication(JavaBridge.java:1154) at org.GNOME.Accessibility.JavaBridge.(JavaBridge.java:405) at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.java:57) at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45) at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:532) at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Class.java:372) at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Class.java:325) at java.awt.Toolkit.loadAssistiveTechnologies(Toolkit.java:786) at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:875) at java.awt.Window.getToolkit(Window.java:1170) at java.awt.Window.init(Window.java:400) at java.awt.Window.(Window.java:438) at java.awt.Frame.(Frame.java:419) at java.awt.Frame.(Frame.java:384) at javax.swing.JFrame.(JFrame.java:174) at SoundTest.main(SoundTest.java:19) java.io.FileNotFoundException: x.wav (No such file or directory) I see that it's dying in the Java accessibility bridge. Does any of this work in Ubuntu today? Should I file a bug report? Thanks, Bill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SoundTest.java Type: text/x-java Size: 1105 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alex.midence at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 15:42:34 2011 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:42:34 -0500 Subject: intro Message-ID: Hi, all, My name is Alex Midence and I am a user of Ubuntu via the Vinux distribution. I hope to learn a lot and contribute to this list in whatever way I can. I heard about this list from a posting of Luke's on the Vinux forum. I'm visually impaired, married, got 1 kid and another on the way, two cats and a dog. I live in the U.S. and work in the retirement plan industry as a call center trainer. I play some guitar, enjoy tinkering with computers, thoroughly enjoy Linux in general and Vinux in particular and like messing around with c++ as I learn the language. Have a nice day, Alex M From jdashiel at shellworld.net Mon Apr 18 22:06:18 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Is Java accessibility broken? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you get the April 15, 2011 java accessbridge update and install it? Most of the fixes were for the amd64 architecture. On Mon, 18 Apr 2011, Bill Cox wrote: > I see that people seem to be using Java to play media in Ubuntu, but > with at-spi running in Ubuntu 10.10 x64, I can't get a simple Java > example off the web to run. The example I'm trying is attached. > > I compile it with 'javac SoundTest.java', and run it with 'java > SoundTest'. The error dump follows: > > src> java SoundTest > Apr 18, 2011 10:37:40 AM com.sun.corba.se.impl.ior.IORImpl getProfile > WARNING: "IOP00511201: (INV_OBJREF) IOR must have at least one IIOP profile" > org.omg.CORBA.INV_OBJREF: vmcid: SUN minor code: 1201 completed: No > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.logging.IORSystemException.iorMustHaveIiopProfile(IORSystemException.java:473) > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.logging.IORSystemException.iorMustHaveIiopProfile(IORSystemException.java:495) > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.ior.IORImpl.getProfile(IORImpl.java:334) > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.encoding.CDRInputStream_1_0.read_Object(CDRInputStream_1_0.java:787) > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.encoding.CDRInputStream_1_0.read_Object(CDRInputStream_1_0.java:761) > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.encoding.CDRInputStream.read_Object(CDRInputStream.java:231) > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.resolver.INSURLOperationImpl.getIORFromString(INSURLOperationImpl.java:120) > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.resolver.INSURLOperationImpl.operate(INSURLOperationImpl.java:130) > at com.sun.corba.se.impl.orb.ORBImpl.string_to_object(ORBImpl.java:836) > at org.GNOME.Accessibility.AccessUtil.getRegistryObject(AccessUtil.java:143) > at org.GNOME.Accessibility.JavaBridge.registerApplication(JavaBridge.java:1154) > at org.GNOME.Accessibility.JavaBridge.(JavaBridge.java:405) > at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method) > at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.java:57) > at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45) > at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:532) > at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Class.java:372) > at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Class.java:325) > at java.awt.Toolkit.loadAssistiveTechnologies(Toolkit.java:786) > at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:875) > at java.awt.Window.getToolkit(Window.java:1170) > at java.awt.Window.init(Window.java:400) > at java.awt.Window.(Window.java:438) > at java.awt.Frame.(Frame.java:419) > at java.awt.Frame.(Frame.java:384) > at javax.swing.JFrame.(JFrame.java:174) > at SoundTest.main(SoundTest.java:19) > java.io.FileNotFoundException: x.wav (No such file or directory) > > I see that it's dying in the Java accessibility bridge. Does any of > this work in Ubuntu today? Should I file a bug report? > > Thanks, > Bill > From lists at janc.be Tue Apr 19 01:56:58 2011 From: lists at janc.be (Jan Claeys) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 03:56:58 +0200 Subject: What happened with Tomboy applet in Natty? In-Reply-To: <4DA70223.2020702@pickup.hu> References: <4DA4056C.6000400@pickup.hu> <1302777228.28649.57.camel@saeko> <1302781787.28649.60.camel@saeko> <4DA70223.2020702@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <1303178218.28649.127.camel@saeko> Hammer Attila schreef op do 14-04-2011 om 16:18 [+0200]: > Thank you the bugreport link. Unfortunately, the --start-here option > always opening the starting intro note, the --new-note option always > creating a new note. I think this two choosable option is want > associate with a GNOME shortcut the linked workaround, this workaround > not result equals good usable method with original Lucid have > 1.2.2.0-ubuntu1 Tomboy version known. I agree that this is not really a good alternative, and the workaround is just a workaround, not a bugfix. > So the panel applet is removed because Tomboy moved the indicator > area, but this possibility is now not working? The shortcuts are not working anymore, and I think that's caused by the switch to indicators (it lost several other features because of that switch), but not 100% sure. -- Jan Claeys From dusek at brailcom.org Wed Apr 20 12:54:52 2011 From: dusek at brailcom.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Boris_Du=B9ek?=) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:54:52 +0200 Subject: New Czech Festival voices krb, dita and machac released. Message-ID: <73B5C917-ED6C-47E9-9C50-D807320E55C4@brailcom.org> The Free(b)soft project is pleased to announce the release of three newly recorded high-quality Czech voices [1] for Festival speech synthesizer. The voices are: * krb - Czech child male voice * dita - Czech adult female voice * machac - Czech adult male voice Together with the previously released `ph' adult male voice, Czech users now have much greater choice of high quality voices they can use with Festival, and through Speech Dispatcher with other applications, like the GNOME Orca screenreader. All three new voices are already available in Debian unstable distribution under the package names festvox-czech-krb, festvox-czech-dita and festvox-czech-machac. This also means that they will be available in Ubuntu Oneiric release (11.10). These voices were created and developed within the projects "Olomouc Chance for Blind Pupils" (reg. number CZ.1.07/1.2.12/02.0015) and "Support Center for Visually Impaired Pupils" (reg. number CZ.1.07/1.2.00/14.0111), which are co-financed from European Social Fund and Czech Republic's state budget. These voices were created by PhDr. Pavel Machač, Ph.D. and Mgr. Radek Skarnitzl, Ph.D. from Institute of Phonetics [2], Faculty of Philosophy & Arts, Charles University in Prague. Technical support was provided by Brailcom, o.p.s. [3]. [1]: http://devel.freebsoft.org/festival-czech-diphone-database [2]: http://http://fu.ff.cuni.cz/en/ [3]: http://www.brailcom.org Boris Dušek Brailcom, o.p.s. From pstowe at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 13:10:08 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:10:08 -0400 Subject: Next Meeting: Wednesday 27 April 2011 @ 21:00 UTC Message-ID: Hi, I know that we were due to have a meeting today, but I need to post pone it to next week. So our next meeting will be Wednesday 27 April at 21:00 UTC. The big agenda items will be looking back at this cycle and getting ready for UDS next cycle! Thanks! Penelope From dusek at brailcom.org Wed Apr 20 19:17:35 2011 From: dusek at brailcom.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Boris_Du=B9ek?=) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:17:35 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu PPA with daily builds of Orca Message-ID: Hello, for those that like (or would like) to use Orca from git on Ubuntu, I created a PPA repository that gets builds of Orca's up-to-date master every day (a.k.a. daily builds, nightlies, etc.). The package is available for both Ubuntu Maverick (10.10) and Ubuntu Natty (11.04). To use them, execute these commands in your terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:dusek/gnome-orca-daily sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade Note that as usual with pre-release software, the packages in PPA are not as well tested as regular releases and can contain problems. Install from the PPA only at your own risk and when you either know how to revert to working Orca version in case of problems, or if you are comfortable with waiting until fix for your issue hits Orca's master (which will then appear in the PPA in less than 24 hours and you can then get it by "sudo apt-get update" followed by "sudo apt-get upgrade). Let me know if you have any comments about the packages in the PPA. Cheers, Boris From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 20:36:00 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu PPA with daily builds of Orca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DAF43B0.4060403@gmail.com> Thank you for providing this very-convenient way to get the latest and greatest Orca! On 04/20/2011 03:17 PM, Boris Dušek wrote: > Hello, > > for those that like (or would like) to use Orca from git on Ubuntu, I created a > PPA repository that gets builds of Orca's up-to-date master every day (a.k.a. > daily builds, nightlies, etc.). The package is available for both Ubuntu > Maverick (10.10) and Ubuntu Natty (11.04). > > To use them, execute these commands in your terminal: > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:dusek/gnome-orca-daily > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get upgrade > > Note that as usual with pre-release software, the packages in PPA are not as > well tested as regular releases and can contain problems. Install from the PPA > only at your own risk and when you either know how to revert to working Orca > version in case of problems, or if you are comfortable with waiting until fix > for your issue hits Orca's master (which will then appear in the PPA in less > than 24 hours and you can then get it by "sudo apt-get update" followed by > "sudo apt-get upgrade). > > Let me know if you have any comments about the packages in the PPA. > > Cheers, > Boris > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From rene.linke at blindzeln.de Fri Apr 22 14:17:45 2011 From: rene.linke at blindzeln.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Ren=E9_Linke?=) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:17:45 +0200 Subject: Searching for a preconfigured Ubuntu image with Orca (VMware) Message-ID: <4DB18E09.6070707@blindzeln.de> Hello, does anyone have that one? Thanks. -- Best regards René From pmikeal at comcast.net Fri Apr 22 14:30:37 2011 From: pmikeal at comcast.net (Pia) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Searching for a preconfigured Ubuntu image with Orca (VMware) In-Reply-To: <4DB18E09.6070707@blindzeln.de> References: <4DB18E09.6070707@blindzeln.de> Message-ID: What you want is Vinux then. http://vinux.org.uk It is a fork of Ubuntu made for blind people and has all the accessibility software running out of the box for you including orca. HTH, Pia On Fri, 22 Apr 2011, René Linke wrote: > Hello, > > does anyone have that one? > Thanks. > > -- > Best regards > René > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From petra at access-for-all.ch Sat Apr 23 10:55:52 2011 From: petra at access-for-all.ch (Petra Ritter) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:55:52 +0200 Subject: Searching for a preconfigured Ubuntu image with Orca (VMware) Message-ID: <4DB2B038.7060309@access-for-all.ch> Hello, does anyone have that one? Thanks. If you want use it as a virtual machine I Recommend the Virtual Edition of Vinux. http://vinuxvirtual.org.uk/ This is a preconfigured Version of Vinux for use in VMware Player To get it runing you just unzip the Zip-Fiele and install the Vmware Player on you computer if don't have done already. Open the Image in the Player and you are up and running. Petra From rene.linke at blindzeln.de Sat Apr 23 11:22:06 2011 From: rene.linke at blindzeln.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Linke?=) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:22:06 +0200 Subject: Two Vinux questions: the network adapter and shell access (was: Re: Searching for a preconfigured Ubuntu image with Orca (VMware)) In-Reply-To: References: <4DB18E09.6070707@blindzeln.de> Message-ID: <4DB2B65E.80607@blindzeln.de> Hi, Thank you for your detailed instructions. :) Vinux is now running in VMware :) *happy* During the upgrade process the network/internet connection was failured. And as next I'd like to access in with WinSCP. Is it possible in VMware? Thanks. -René From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Apr 29 06:41:17 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:41:17 +0200 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? Message-ID: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, perhaps Ubiquity Orca script spokening miss informations with Ubiquity installer (11.04), I don't no future possible resolvable the following type problems perhaps Ocelot if Natty Ubiquity installer or script impossible resolving some problems. If I known right, Ubiquity installer is full localized with hungarian language, but I see some interesting problems: 1. Lot of dialogs Orca spokening "live_installer" dialog titles, and for example some edit boxes, Orca spokening the hungarian edit box label (for example the computer host setting) and spokening an english label (host:). I don't remember all miss spokened dialog widgets, but lot of time happening this problem. This type problem is Orca ubiquity script related problem, or a mistake design with Ubiquity main dialogs? If I have a sighted assistance, I will be look what labels real presenting the phisical screen this problematic dialogs for hungarian language output. An another example is the timezone setting dialog, with Orca spokening an interesting label text for selected time zone. 2. I don't no why, but now Orca doesn't spokening installation progress bar, and doesn't possible looking what percentage are completed with installation. The progress bar is removed with Ubiquity gtk frontend dialog? I think this is not Orca script specific problem. Except this type problems I succesfuly installed with a modified Ubuntu Natty live DVD, now I typed Natty system this e-mail. What components need reporting this type problems to fix all this type problems with future Ocelot? With modified live DVD I passed the isolinux/txt.cfg with following boot parameters: access=v3 -- debian-installer/language=hu keyboard-configuration/layoutcode=hu Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Apr 29 11:16:58 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:16:58 +0200 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4DBA9E2A.7060206@pickup.hu> Hy, Now I looked an english language environment the Ubiquity installer and Orca improvement. For example, before with partitioning window, I selected the following radiobutton: "Erase disk and install Ubuntu" Orca spokening following text: "Erase disk and install Ubuntu use_device radiobutton selected" Other radiobutton example, real label: "Install Ubuntu alongside them" Orca spokening following text: "Install Ubuntu alongside them resize_user_free radiobutton selected" I prewious tryed attaching a screen shot how looks real the tested dialog window, but not fit the list limit the attachment. Safe I remove the bigger letter to not disturb the list to duplicate get this answer. This interesting objects texts real seeing the screen, or only Orca ubiquity script spokening this objects identifiers? Luke, possible fix this type issue for a next gnome-orca maintenance version, or the problem is harder fix and need accepting now this working method? Attila From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Apr 29 13:31:57 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:31:57 -0600 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: <4DBA9E2A.7060206@pickup.hu> References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> <4DBA9E2A.7060206@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20110429073157.0c4caabb@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:16:58 +0200 Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Now I looked an english language environment the Ubiquity installer and > Orca improvement. > For example, before with partitioning window, I selected the following > radiobutton: > "Erase disk and install Ubuntu" > Orca spokening following text: > "Erase disk and install Ubuntu use_device radiobutton selected" > Other radiobutton example, real label: > "Install Ubuntu alongside them" > Orca spokening following text: > "Install Ubuntu alongside them resize_user_free radiobutton selected" > > I prewious tryed attaching a screen shot how looks real the tested > dialog window, but not fit the list limit the attachment. Safe I remove > the bigger letter to not disturb the list to duplicate get this answer. > This interesting objects texts real seeing the screen, or only Orca > ubiquity script spokening this objects identifiers? > Luke, possible fix this type issue for a next gnome-orca maintenance > version, or the problem is harder fix and need accepting now this > working method? > > Attila > We are aware of the label issue, and are working to get it fixed. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From macoafi at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 13:32:51 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:32:51 -0400 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: <4DBA9E2A.7060206@pickup.hu> References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> <4DBA9E2A.7060206@pickup.hu> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Now I looked an english language environment the Ubiquity installer and Orca > improvement. > For example, before with partitioning window, I selected the following > radiobutton: > "Erase disk and install Ubuntu" > Orca spokening following text: > "Erase disk and install Ubuntu use_device radiobutton selected" I was able to get it to read the labels by associating the radio button to the label, but I couldn't figure out why it kept reading the variable name for the radio button afterward. The code in question has been pointed out to me, and it looks like I should have also set the name for the radio button to make it say something less-stupid than "use underscore device" Did it not also read the label in Hungarian? -- Mackenzie Morgan From macoafi at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 13:41:05 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:41:05 -0400 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Luke, perhaps Ubiquity Orca script spokening miss informations with Ubiquity > installer (11.04), I don't no future possible resolvable the following type > problems perhaps Ocelot if Natty Ubiquity installer or script impossible > resolving some problems. Hi, I'm going to answer since I decided last week that Ubiquity's accessibility will be one of my focuses for Oneiric Ocelot. > 1. Lot of dialogs Orca spokening "live_installer" dialog titles, and for > example some edit boxes, Orca spokening the hungarian edit box label (for > example the computer host setting) and spokening an english label (host:). > I don't remember all miss spokened dialog widgets, but lot of time happening > this problem. This type problem is Orca ubiquity script related problem, or > a mistake design with Ubiquity main dialogs? The problematic code for this has been pointed out to me. It's a loop that sets the accessible name equal to the variable name, which is TERRIBLE for humans (as you've noticed) but GREAT for writing automated test scripts, which I'm pretty sure is the only reason there is an accessible name set at all. I'm planning on submitting lots of patches on fixing this, and I'll probably also have to give the developer a patch for his automated test script to work with the actually accessible names. > An another example is the timezone setting dialog, with Orca spokening an > interesting label text for selected time zone. And the timezone thing doesn't really work well from a keyboard when you consider that the dropdown options aren't read. That'll very likely take code-changes that I'm not sure how to do yet. > 2. I don't no why, but now Orca doesn't spokening installation progress bar, > and doesn't possible looking what percentage are completed with > installation. The progress bar is removed with Ubiquity gtk frontend dialog? > I think this is not Orca script specific problem. I don't think it knows it's there or what to do with it, just like it doesn't read some of the text on the screen. This actually probably does involve the Ubiquity script for Orca. > What components need reporting this type problems to fix all this type > problems with future Ocelot? I think AlanBell reported most of this a few weeks ago, actually. Or at least, I'm aware of them, having seen a video he made of how ... awful... the installer is with Orca, which is why I've started researching how to fix it. (Oh, and regarding the other email, when I said "I was able to get it to read the label," I mean it previously didn't read the label at all, just the variable name, and so this was at least an improvement) -- Mackenzie Morgan From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Apr 29 14:02:52 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:02:52 +0200 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4DBAC50C.4070307@pickup.hu> Hy, Mackenzie, happening following for example if I use hungarian language: Orca spokening proper hungarian translation the "Erase disk and install Ubuntu" radiobutton label (translation is Merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése), and spokening the accessible variable (use_device) text. So, in hungarian language, Orca spokening the actual selected radiobutton label: "merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése use_device". So, future will be awailable an update this problem related in Natty? Attila From macoafi at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 14:29:48 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:29:48 -0400 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: <4DBAC50C.4070307@pickup.hu> References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> <4DBAC50C.4070307@pickup.hu> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Mackenzie, happening following for example if I use hungarian language: > Orca spokening proper hungarian translation the "Erase disk and install > Ubuntu" radiobutton label (translation is Merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu > telepítése), and spokening the accessible variable (use_device) text. > So, in hungarian language, Orca spokening the actual selected radiobutton > label: > "merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése use_device". OK, I was afraid it was only reading the label if English! What it's doing is what I'd expect it to do based on the current code. > So, future will be awailable an update this problem related in Natty? Probably not til Oneiric. New versions of Ubiquity can be downloaded from the Internet if you're installing while connected, but I don't really know if the Ubiquity developers will be packaging new versions of it for Natty at this point (since Natty is released). I can't upload new versions of Ubiquity to Ubuntu, just send patches to the appropriate people to get it into Ubiquity's trunk which will then make it into the next version of Ubuntu. -- Mackenzie Morgan From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Apr 30 20:41:21 2011 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 22:41:21 +0200 Subject: Natty live cd and orca Message-ID: <2C6A82C226704064956078C919D2C55C@milton> Hi, How can I try the live cd with Orca? After I started up the pc with the live cd, I press the spacebar and select a language (with the help of a sighted person). Pressing F5, 3 and twice the enter key, after a while the desktop appears. How can I start Orca or is it not possible? Milton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Apr 30 20:44:34 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Natty live cd and orca In-Reply-To: <2C6A82C226704064956078C919D2C55C@milton> References: <2C6A82C226704064956078C919D2C55C@milton> Message-ID: Try this: 1) hit f2, 2) type orca --setup On Sat, 30 Apr 2011, Milton wrote: > Hi, > How can I try the live cd with Orca? > After I started up the pc with the live cd, I press the spacebar and select a language (with the help of a sighted person). > Pressing F5, 3 and twice the enter key, after a while the desktop appears. > How can I start Orca or is it not possible? > Milton From mj at mjw.se Sat Apr 30 22:06:57 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 00:06:57 +0200 Subject: natty Message-ID: <000001cc0782$ec2f2f80$ce17e255@mj> Are natty more stable now?