From mj at mjw.se Tue Aug 2 08:16:53 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:16:53 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 11.10 Message-ID: <001001cc50ec$89bb28f0$2517e255@mj> will qt accessibility work with 11.10 with orca? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it Wed Aug 3 14:10:37 2011 From: Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it (Antony Stone) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:10:37 +0100 Subject: Trying to get started Message-ID: <201108031510.37626.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> Hi. I'm trying to get a machine set up with a recent version of Orca for a blind friend. We've been advised that Ubuntu is currently the best distribution to choose for getting an up-to-date version (ie: with as many features, and working as well as possible). 1. First question - is this correct, or should we be doing something else to get the most functional version of Orca possible? We're using a Braille display (ie: we prefer not to use speech), which is supported by BRLTTY (it's a Papenmeier Compact 40-cell display). Things seem to be difficult to get going in a reliable way, though: I have installed Ubuntu 11.04 as standard (ie: I did not select a Braille display or any other accessible features to do the actual installation - I am sighted). After installing, I logged in under my friend's username, and selected Accessibility Features on Login, made sure Orca was selected, and told Orca we wanted Braille. I also selected "password confirmations as normal dialogue boxes", so that these should work on the Braille display. The first problem we encounter is how to log in. We start the machine, I can see the GRUB menu (my friend can't, so blind dual-boot still appears to be not an option), the machine starts up X, and a login dialogue box appears. The Braille display says "Screen not in text mode" - the login prompt is not shown. 2. Second question - how do we get the login prompt shown on the Braille display so that my friend can log in quietly? As a workaround I recorded an audio clip of "Please enter username, return; password, return" and set this as the "System ready" sound (I spent some time setting it up as the "login" sound, only to find that this is played *after* the user logs in, not at the prompt telling them to log in...). So, my friend now knows when to enter her username and password, and can log in. Orca starts up, with speech, and announces that it is running and the Preferences button is active. Nothing appears on the Braille display (except "Screen not in text mode" from when X started while BRLTTY was already running). I have to restart BRLTTY, and then also restart Orca, for the Braille display to become functional. 3. Third question - what have we misconfigured here, which stops Orca from showing Braille as soon as it starts up? (We can hear the standard BRLTTY startup bleep, and we see "Screen not in text mode", so we know BRLTTY is running and driving the Braille display correctly). Having restarted things for my friend, she can now start navigating the menus, and I've been helping her by reading the Orca / Gnome documentation at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/2.32/gnome-access-guide.html This tells us we can use Alt-F1 to get to the Applications menu; this works. It doesn't appear to tell us how to get to the "Status bar" menu which I can see in the top right corner of the screen - the one with icons for wireless networking, volume control, and particularly important, the shutdown / logout / restart menu button (the one which to a sighted user looks like a power switch icon). 4. Fourth question - is this the correct documentation we should be using for the keyboard navigation keys, and how do we get to the logout / shutdown menu without the mouse working? Oh, yes, while I'm thinking about the mouse, the computer we're using has a touchpad, which of course does all sorts of undesirable things when randomly touched by a blind person typing. Since I'm a fairly advanced Linux user, I set up sudoers to allow my friend's user ID to run rmmod without a password, and then put "sudo rmmod psmouse" into the list of applications to run at login time for her username - however this seems rather advanced for an average blind user; is there some more standard way of saying "disable the touchpad when Iog in"? Getting back to Orca, I've selected the laptop keyboard layout, therefore CapsLock is the Orca Modifier key. CapsLock-S disables or enables speech, as expected. It also leaves CapsLock turned on after pressing it (or off if it was on beforehand) - in other words, CapsLock is still acting as the standard toggle, it isn't being fully captured by Orca, even though on an older version of Orca (whatever came with Debian Lenny, I can't recall the version number) the CapsLock key worked correctly as an Orca Modifier, and did not leave CapsLock turned on after you had used some Orca function. 5. Fifth question - is this a known bug, or something we've misconfigured? How can we get the CapsLock key to act as an Orca modifier without leaving capitals turned on afterwards? I know there's more - my friend has been exploring the menus as much as she can given the documentation we've found so far, and she's commented that various things seem to be either very slow, or don't appear to respond properly, but I'd rather see if we can get some answers to these basics before going into detail about other things which might just be a consequence of a sub-optimal configuration. Sorry about the length of this email, but I wanted to give as good a description as possible of what we're doing and what seems to be happening; I hope someone can help shed some light on how to get things working better. By the way, if the answer is "reinstall Ubuntu following the instructions at http://XYZ" then that's no problem; we have nothing significant set up on the machine so far, and reinstalling to get things working as intended would be fine. Thanks in advance, Antony. From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Aug 3 14:41:05 2011 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:41:05 -0300 Subject: Trying to get started In-Reply-To: <201108031510.37626.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> References: <201108031510.37626.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> Message-ID: <4E395E01.7090804@informal.com.br> Hi. I think that ubuntu 11.04 is not the better choice. First there is the problem related to the CapsLock ke. Yes, it is a bug. Ubuntu 11.04 uses unity as the default interface and I think that there are problems regarding accessibility. In myopinion you should try ubuntu 10.10 or try vinux, http://vinuxproject.org/. On 08/03/2011 11:10 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > Hi. > > I'm trying to get a machine set up with a recent version of Orca for a blind > friend. We've been advised that Ubuntu is currently the best distribution to > choose for getting an up-to-date version (ie: with as many features, and > working as well as possible). > > 1. First question - is this correct, or should we be doing something else to > get the most functional version of Orca possible? > > We're using a Braille display (ie: we prefer not to use speech), which is > supported by BRLTTY (it's a Papenmeier Compact 40-cell display). > > Things seem to be difficult to get going in a reliable way, though: > > I have installed Ubuntu 11.04 as standard (ie: I did not select a Braille > display or any other accessible features to do the actual installation - I am > sighted). > > After installing, I logged in under my friend's username, and selected > Accessibility Features on Login, made sure Orca was selected, and told Orca we > wanted Braille. > > I also selected "password confirmations as normal dialogue boxes", so that > these should work on the Braille display. > > > The first problem we encounter is how to log in. We start the machine, I can > see the GRUB menu (my friend can't, so blind dual-boot still appears to be not > an option), the machine starts up X, and a login dialogue box appears. > > The Braille display says "Screen not in text mode" - the login prompt is not > shown. > > 2. Second question - how do we get the login prompt shown on the Braille > display so that my friend can log in quietly? > > As a workaround I recorded an audio clip of "Please enter username, return; > password, return" and set this as the "System ready" sound (I spent some time > setting it up as the "login" sound, only to find that this is played *after* > the user logs in, not at the prompt telling them to log in...). > > So, my friend now knows when to enter her username and password, and can log > in. > > Orca starts up, with speech, and announces that it is running and the > Preferences button is active. > > Nothing appears on the Braille display (except "Screen not in text mode" from > when X started while BRLTTY was already running). > > I have to restart BRLTTY, and then also restart Orca, for the Braille display > to become functional. > > 3. Third question - what have we misconfigured here, which stops Orca from > showing Braille as soon as it starts up? (We can hear the standard BRLTTY > startup bleep, and we see "Screen not in text mode", so we know BRLTTY is > running and driving the Braille display correctly). > > Having restarted things for my friend, she can now start navigating the menus, > and I've been helping her by reading the Orca / Gnome documentation at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/2.32/gnome-access-guide.html > > This tells us we can use Alt-F1 to get to the Applications menu; this works. > > It doesn't appear to tell us how to get to the "Status bar" menu which I can > see in the top right corner of the screen - the one with icons for wireless > networking, volume control, and particularly important, the shutdown / logout > / restart menu button (the one which to a sighted user looks like a power > switch icon). > > 4. Fourth question - is this the correct documentation we should be using for > the keyboard navigation keys, and how do we get to the logout / shutdown menu > without the mouse working? > > Oh, yes, while I'm thinking about the mouse, the computer we're using has a > touchpad, which of course does all sorts of undesirable things when randomly > touched by a blind person typing. Since I'm a fairly advanced Linux user, I > set up sudoers to allow my friend's user ID to run rmmod without a password, > and then put "sudo rmmod psmouse" into the list of applications to run at > login time for her username - however this seems rather advanced for an > average blind user; is there some more standard way of saying "disable the > touchpad when Iog in"? > > Getting back to Orca, I've selected the laptop keyboard layout, therefore > CapsLock is the Orca Modifier key. CapsLock-S disables or enables speech, as > expected. It also leaves CapsLock turned on after pressing it (or off if it > was on beforehand) - in other words, CapsLock is still acting as the standard > toggle, it isn't being fully captured by Orca, even though on an older version > of Orca (whatever came with Debian Lenny, I can't recall the version number) > the CapsLock key worked correctly as an Orca Modifier, and did not leave > CapsLock turned on after you had used some Orca function. > > 5. Fifth question - is this a known bug, or something we've misconfigured? How > can we get the CapsLock key to act as an Orca modifier without leaving capitals > turned on afterwards? > > I know there's more - my friend has been exploring the menus as much as she > can given the documentation we've found so far, and she's commented that > various things seem to be either very slow, or don't appear to respond > properly, but I'd rather see if we can get some answers to these basics before > going into detail about other things which might just be a consequence of a > sub-optimal configuration. > > Sorry about the length of this email, but I wanted to give as good a > description as possible of what we're doing and what seems to be happening; I > hope someone can help shed some light on how to get things working better. > > By the way, if the answer is "reinstall Ubuntu following the instructions at > http://XYZ" then that's no problem; we have nothing significant set up on the > machine so far, and reinstalling to get things working as intended would be > fine. > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Antony. > From Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it Wed Aug 3 15:56:28 2011 From: Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it (Antony Stone) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:56:28 +0100 Subject: Trying to get started In-Reply-To: <4E395E01.7090804@informal.com.br> References: <201108031510.37626.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> <4E395E01.7090804@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <201108031656.29891.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 15:41:05 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi. > I think that ubuntu 11.04 is not the better choice. > First there is the problem related to the CapsLock ke. Yes, it is a bug. Aha, good to know. > Ubuntu 11.04 uses unity as the default interface and I think that there > are problems regarding accessibility. Is this something which can be changed in Ubuntu? You say it is the "default" interface, which suggests to me that we could use a different one if we wished? > In myopinion you should try ubuntu 10.10 or try vinux, > http://vinuxproject.org/. Thanks - does 10.10 have a similarly up-to-date version of Orca (which we have been told is very important for getting the best functionality - older versions are distinctly lacking in working features)? Regards, Antony. From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Aug 3 16:23:05 2011 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 13:23:05 -0300 Subject: Trying to get started In-Reply-To: <201108031656.29891.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> References: <201108031510.37626.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> <4E395E01.7090804@informal.com.br> <201108031656.29891.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> Message-ID: <4E3975E9.2050704@informal.com.br> Hi. If you install ubuntu 11.04 with the accessibility profile enabled, the classic gnome interface will be configured as the default. To enable the accessibility profile you need to press the f5 key in some part of the boot. I don't remember exactly in which part, but I think that is after choose the language. Actually I am using ubuntu 10.10 with orca from git repository. One reason to not use 11.04 is the problem of the CapsLock key. It is very simple to install orca from the git repository. On 08/03/2011 12:56 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 15:41:05 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi. >> I think that ubuntu 11.04 is not the better choice. >> First there is the problem related to the CapsLock ke. Yes, it is a bug. > > Aha, good to know. > >> Ubuntu 11.04 uses unity as the default interface and I think that there >> are problems regarding accessibility. > > Is this something which can be changed in Ubuntu? You say it is the "default" > interface, which suggests to me that we could use a different one if we wished? > >> In myopinion you should try ubuntu 10.10 or try vinux, >> http://vinuxproject.org/. > > Thanks - does 10.10 have a similarly up-to-date version of Orca (which we have > been told is very important for getting the best functionality - older > versions are distinctly lacking in working features)? > > > Regards, > > > Antony. > From Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it Wed Aug 3 16:37:35 2011 From: Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it (Antony Stone) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:37:35 +0100 Subject: Trying to get started In-Reply-To: <4E3975E9.2050704@informal.com.br> References: <201108031510.37626.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> <201108031656.29891.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> <4E3975E9.2050704@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <201108031737.36063.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 17:23:05 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi. > If you install ubuntu 11.04 with the accessibility profile enabled, the > classic gnome interface will be configured as the default. To enable the > accessibility profile you need to press the f5 key in some part of the > boot. I don't remember exactly in which part, but I think that is after > choose the language. Okay, that's very good to know, however I think I prefer to avoid the CapsLock bug :) > Actually I am using ubuntu 10.10 with orca from git repository. One > reason to not use 11.04 is the problem of the CapsLock key. > It is very simple to install orca from the git repository. Thanks - presumably you install with accessibility options selected, and then build/install Orca from the Git source to bring it up to date? One final question - have I got the best-available documentation for keyboard commands, to be able to navigate around the Gnome desktop, control applications etc? I'm using http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/2.32/gnome-access-guide.html Thanks for the help :) Antony. From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Aug 3 18:14:20 2011 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:14:20 -0300 Subject: Trying to get started In-Reply-To: <201108031737.36063.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> References: <201108031510.37626.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> <201108031656.29891.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> <4E3975E9.2050704@informal.com.br> <201108031737.36063.Antony.Stone@ubuntu.open.source.it> Message-ID: <4E398FFC.90403@informal.com.br> Hi. One thing that you can do to avoid the CapsLock bug is to use an external usb keypad. It is not very expensive and works quite well. You're correct. I installed using orca presente in the CD and after the installation I built orca from source downloaded directly from the repository. Regarding the documentation, I think that you weren't in the ideal place because the interface configured was the unity. Since you will install ubuntu 10.10 or a similar, I think the link that you have is a good place. Forgive my bad english! On 08/03/2011 01:37 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 17:23:05 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi. >> If you install ubuntu 11.04 with the accessibility profile enabled, the >> classic gnome interface will be configured as the default. To enable the >> accessibility profile you need to press the f5 key in some part of the >> boot. I don't remember exactly in which part, but I think that is after >> choose the language. > > Okay, that's very good to know, however I think I prefer to avoid the CapsLock > bug :) > >> Actually I am using ubuntu 10.10 with orca from git repository. One >> reason to not use 11.04 is the problem of the CapsLock key. >> It is very simple to install orca from the git repository. > > Thanks - presumably you install with accessibility options selected, and then > build/install Orca from the Git source to bring it up to date? > > One final question - have I got the best-available documentation for keyboard > commands, to be able to navigate around the Gnome desktop, control > applications etc? I'm using > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/2.32/gnome-access-guide.html > > > Thanks for the help :) > > > Antony. > From alex.midence at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 17:50:36 2011 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:50:36 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 69, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Personally, for a rock-steady, reliable installation of Ubuntu with all the accessibility bells and whistles, the very best results I've had in the last year or so were with Vinux 3.0 which is based on Ubuntu Lucid 10.04. You get Speakup working in the console, Orca in the GUI and Yasr in the xterm environments. Add Emacspeak to the mix and you have a very powerful, accessible distribution enabling you to do just about anything. 10.10 has problems with Yasr for some reason. If it's not important to have accessibility in all these Environments, I'd also suggest 10.10. Vinux 3.1 is based on it and works quite well. 11.04 is ok especially with vinux 3.2 which is based on it but there are bugs and things that a new user will run into with accessibility and the whole Unity thing is a factor too. If you want utterly painless installation, Vinux 3.0 or 3.1 is the way to go. Again, my personal preference even now is for 3.0 since I've had best stable results with it but that's just me and I know many will disagree on the grounds of getting the most recent most cutting edge thing out there. Me, I like Old Faithful, if you will. Any and all of the Vinux installations will allow a blind user to do their own installation completely without sighted assistance too. Braille should work just fine in all of them. Regards, Alex M On 8/4/11, ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-accessibility-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Trying to get started (Antony Stone) > 2. Re: Trying to get started (Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza) > 3. Re: Trying to get started (Antony Stone) > 4. Re: Trying to get started (Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza) > 5. Re: Trying to get started (Antony Stone) > 6. Re: Trying to get started (Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:10:37 +0100 > From: Antony Stone > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Trying to get started > Message-ID: <201108031510.37626.Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi. > > I'm trying to get a machine set up with a recent version of Orca for a blind > friend. We've been advised that Ubuntu is currently the best distribution > to > choose for getting an up-to-date version (ie: with as many features, and > working as well as possible). > > 1. First question - is this correct, or should we be doing something else to > get the most functional version of Orca possible? > > We're using a Braille display (ie: we prefer not to use speech), which is > supported by BRLTTY (it's a Papenmeier Compact 40-cell display). > > Things seem to be difficult to get going in a reliable way, though: > > I have installed Ubuntu 11.04 as standard (ie: I did not select a Braille > display or any other accessible features to do the actual installation - I > am > sighted). > > After installing, I logged in under my friend's username, and selected > Accessibility Features on Login, made sure Orca was selected, and told Orca > we > wanted Braille. > > I also selected "password confirmations as normal dialogue boxes", so that > these should work on the Braille display. > > > The first problem we encounter is how to log in. We start the machine, I > can > see the GRUB menu (my friend can't, so blind dual-boot still appears to be > not > an option), the machine starts up X, and a login dialogue box appears. > > The Braille display says "Screen not in text mode" - the login prompt is not > shown. > > 2. Second question - how do we get the login prompt shown on the Braille > display so that my friend can log in quietly? > > As a workaround I recorded an audio clip of "Please enter username, return; > password, return" and set this as the "System ready" sound (I spent some > time > setting it up as the "login" sound, only to find that this is played *after* > the user logs in, not at the prompt telling them to log in...). > > So, my friend now knows when to enter her username and password, and can log > in. > > Orca starts up, with speech, and announces that it is running and the > Preferences button is active. > > Nothing appears on the Braille display (except "Screen not in text mode" > from > when X started while BRLTTY was already running). > > I have to restart BRLTTY, and then also restart Orca, for the Braille > display > to become functional. > > 3. Third question - what have we misconfigured here, which stops Orca from > showing Braille as soon as it starts up? (We can hear the standard BRLTTY > startup bleep, and we see "Screen not in text mode", so we know BRLTTY is > running and driving the Braille display correctly). > > Having restarted things for my friend, she can now start navigating the > menus, > and I've been helping her by reading the Orca / Gnome documentation at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/2.32/gnome-access-guide.html > > This tells us we can use Alt-F1 to get to the Applications menu; this works. > > It doesn't appear to tell us how to get to the "Status bar" menu which I can > see in the top right corner of the screen - the one with icons for wireless > networking, volume control, and particularly important, the shutdown / > logout > / restart menu button (the one which to a sighted user looks like a power > switch icon). > > 4. Fourth question - is this the correct documentation we should be using > for > the keyboard navigation keys, and how do we get to the logout / shutdown > menu > without the mouse working? > > Oh, yes, while I'm thinking about the mouse, the computer we're using has a > touchpad, which of course does all sorts of undesirable things when randomly > touched by a blind person typing. Since I'm a fairly advanced Linux user, I > set up sudoers to allow my friend's user ID to run rmmod without a password, > and then put "sudo rmmod psmouse" into the list of applications to run at > login time for her username - however this seems rather advanced for an > average blind user; is there some more standard way of saying "disable the > touchpad when Iog in"? > > Getting back to Orca, I've selected the laptop keyboard layout, therefore > CapsLock is the Orca Modifier key. CapsLock-S disables or enables speech, > as > expected. It also leaves CapsLock turned on after pressing it (or off if it > was on beforehand) - in other words, CapsLock is still acting as the > standard > toggle, it isn't being fully captured by Orca, even though on an older > version > of Orca (whatever came with Debian Lenny, I can't recall the version number) > the CapsLock key worked correctly as an Orca Modifier, and did not leave > CapsLock turned on after you had used some Orca function. > > 5. Fifth question - is this a known bug, or something we've misconfigured? > How > can we get the CapsLock key to act as an Orca modifier without leaving > capitals > turned on afterwards? > > I know there's more - my friend has been exploring the menus as much as she > can given the documentation we've found so far, and she's commented that > various things seem to be either very slow, or don't appear to respond > properly, but I'd rather see if we can get some answers to these basics > before > going into detail about other things which might just be a consequence of a > sub-optimal configuration. > > Sorry about the length of this email, but I wanted to give as good a > description as possible of what we're doing and what seems to be happening; > I > hope someone can help shed some light on how to get things working better. > > By the way, if the answer is "reinstall Ubuntu following the instructions at > http://XYZ" then that's no problem; we have nothing significant set up on > the > machine so far, and reinstalling to get things working as intended would be > fine. > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Antony. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:41:05 -0300 > From: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Trying to get started > Message-ID: <4E395E01.7090804 at informal.com.br> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi. > I think that ubuntu 11.04 is not the better choice. > First there is the problem related to the CapsLock ke. Yes, it is a bug. > Ubuntu 11.04 uses unity as the default interface and I think that there > are problems regarding accessibility. > > In myopinion you should try ubuntu 10.10 or try vinux, > http://vinuxproject.org/. > > > On 08/03/2011 11:10 AM, Antony Stone wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I'm trying to get a machine set up with a recent version of Orca for a >> blind >> friend. We've been advised that Ubuntu is currently the best distribution >> to >> choose for getting an up-to-date version (ie: with as many features, and >> working as well as possible). >> >> 1. First question - is this correct, or should we be doing something else >> to >> get the most functional version of Orca possible? >> >> We're using a Braille display (ie: we prefer not to use speech), which is >> supported by BRLTTY (it's a Papenmeier Compact 40-cell display). >> >> Things seem to be difficult to get going in a reliable way, though: >> >> I have installed Ubuntu 11.04 as standard (ie: I did not select a Braille >> display or any other accessible features to do the actual installation - I >> am >> sighted). >> >> After installing, I logged in under my friend's username, and selected >> Accessibility Features on Login, made sure Orca was selected, and told >> Orca we >> wanted Braille. >> >> I also selected "password confirmations as normal dialogue boxes", so that >> >> these should work on the Braille display. >> >> >> The first problem we encounter is how to log in. We start the machine, I >> can >> see the GRUB menu (my friend can't, so blind dual-boot still appears to be >> not >> an option), the machine starts up X, and a login dialogue box appears. >> >> The Braille display says "Screen not in text mode" - the login prompt is >> not >> shown. >> >> 2. Second question - how do we get the login prompt shown on the Braille >> display so that my friend can log in quietly? >> >> As a workaround I recorded an audio clip of "Please enter username, >> return; >> password, return" and set this as the "System ready" sound (I spent some >> time >> setting it up as the "login" sound, only to find that this is played >> *after* >> the user logs in, not at the prompt telling them to log in...). >> >> So, my friend now knows when to enter her username and password, and can >> log >> in. >> >> Orca starts up, with speech, and announces that it is running and the >> Preferences button is active. >> >> Nothing appears on the Braille display (except "Screen not in text mode" >> from >> when X started while BRLTTY was already running). >> >> I have to restart BRLTTY, and then also restart Orca, for the Braille >> display >> to become functional. >> >> 3. Third question - what have we misconfigured here, which stops Orca from >> >> showing Braille as soon as it starts up? (We can hear the standard BRLTTY >> >> startup bleep, and we see "Screen not in text mode", so we know BRLTTY is >> running and driving the Braille display correctly). >> >> Having restarted things for my friend, she can now start navigating the >> menus, >> and I've been helping her by reading the Orca / Gnome documentation at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/2.32/gnome-access-guide.html >> >> This tells us we can use Alt-F1 to get to the Applications menu; this >> works. >> >> It doesn't appear to tell us how to get to the "Status bar" menu which I >> can >> see in the top right corner of the screen - the one with icons for >> wireless >> networking, volume control, and particularly important, the shutdown / >> logout >> / restart menu button (the one which to a sighted user looks like a power >> switch icon). >> >> 4. Fourth question - is this the correct documentation we should be using >> for >> the keyboard navigation keys, and how do we get to the logout / shutdown >> menu >> without the mouse working? >> >> Oh, yes, while I'm thinking about the mouse, the computer we're using has >> a >> touchpad, which of course does all sorts of undesirable things when >> randomly >> touched by a blind person typing. Since I'm a fairly advanced Linux user, >> I >> set up sudoers to allow my friend's user ID to run rmmod without a >> password, >> and then put "sudo rmmod psmouse" into the list of applications to run at >> login time for her username - however this seems rather advanced for an >> average blind user; is there some more standard way of saying "disable the >> >> touchpad when Iog in"? >> >> Getting back to Orca, I've selected the laptop keyboard layout, therefore >> CapsLock is the Orca Modifier key. CapsLock-S disables or enables speech, >> as >> expected. It also leaves CapsLock turned on after pressing it (or off if >> it >> was on beforehand) - in other words, CapsLock is still acting as the >> standard >> toggle, it isn't being fully captured by Orca, even though on an older >> version >> of Orca (whatever came with Debian Lenny, I can't recall the version >> number) >> the CapsLock key worked correctly as an Orca Modifier, and did not leave >> CapsLock turned on after you had used some Orca function. >> >> 5. Fifth question - is this a known bug, or something we've misconfigured? >> How >> can we get the CapsLock key to act as an Orca modifier without leaving >> capitals >> turned on afterwards? >> >> I know there's more - my friend has been exploring the menus as much as >> she >> can given the documentation we've found so far, and she's commented that >> various things seem to be either very slow, or don't appear to respond >> properly, but I'd rather see if we can get some answers to these basics >> before >> going into detail about other things which might just be a consequence of >> a >> sub-optimal configuration. >> >> Sorry about the length of this email, but I wanted to give as good a >> description as possible of what we're doing and what seems to be >> happening; I >> hope someone can help shed some light on how to get things working better. >> >> By the way, if the answer is "reinstall Ubuntu following the instructions >> at >> http://XYZ" then that's no problem; we have nothing significant set up on >> the >> machine so far, and reinstalling to get things working as intended would >> be >> fine. >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> >> Antony. >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:56:28 +0100 > From: Antony Stone > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Trying to get started > Message-ID: <201108031656.29891.Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 15:41:05 Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi. >> I think that ubuntu 11.04 is not the better choice. >> First there is the problem related to the CapsLock ke. Yes, it is a bug. > > Aha, good to know. > >> Ubuntu 11.04 uses unity as the default interface and I think that there >> are problems regarding accessibility. > > Is this something which can be changed in Ubuntu? You say it is the > "default" > interface, which suggests to me that we could use a different one if we > wished? > >> In myopinion you should try ubuntu 10.10 or try vinux, >> http://vinuxproject.org/. > > Thanks - does 10.10 have a similarly up-to-date version of Orca (which we > have > been told is very important for getting the best functionality - older > versions are distinctly lacking in working features)? > > > Regards, > > > Antony. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 13:23:05 -0300 > From: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Trying to get started > Message-ID: <4E3975E9.2050704 at informal.com.br> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi. > If you install ubuntu 11.04 with the accessibility profile enabled, the > classic gnome interface will be configured as the default. To enable the > accessibility profile you need to press the f5 key in some part of the > boot. I don't remember exactly in which part, but I think that is after > choose the language. > > Actually I am using ubuntu 10.10 with orca from git repository. One > reason to not use 11.04 is the problem of the CapsLock key. > It is very simple to install orca from the git repository. > > On 08/03/2011 12:56 PM, Antony Stone wrote: >> On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 15:41:05 Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> I think that ubuntu 11.04 is not the better choice. >>> First there is the problem related to the CapsLock ke. Yes, it is a bug. >> >> Aha, good to know. >> >>> Ubuntu 11.04 uses unity as the default interface and I think that there >>> are problems regarding accessibility. >> >> Is this something which can be changed in Ubuntu? You say it is the >> "default" >> interface, which suggests to me that we could use a different one if we >> wished? >> >>> In myopinion you should try ubuntu 10.10 or try vinux, >>> http://vinuxproject.org/. >> >> Thanks - does 10.10 have a similarly up-to-date version of Orca (which we >> have >> been told is very important for getting the best functionality - older >> versions are distinctly lacking in working features)? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Antony. >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:37:35 +0100 > From: Antony Stone > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Trying to get started > Message-ID: <201108031737.36063.Antony.Stone at ubuntu.open.source.it> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 17:23:05 Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi. >> If you install ubuntu 11.04 with the accessibility profile enabled, the >> classic gnome interface will be configured as the default. To enable the >> accessibility profile you need to press the f5 key in some part of the >> boot. I don't remember exactly in which part, but I think that is after >> choose the language. > > Okay, that's very good to know, however I think I prefer to avoid the > CapsLock > bug :) > >> Actually I am using ubuntu 10.10 with orca from git repository. One >> reason to not use 11.04 is the problem of the CapsLock key. >> It is very simple to install orca from the git repository. > > Thanks - presumably you install with accessibility options selected, and > then > build/install Orca from the Git source to bring it up to date? > > One final question - have I got the best-available documentation for > keyboard > commands, to be able to navigate around the Gnome desktop, control > applications etc? I'm using > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/2.32/gnome-access-guide.html > > > Thanks for the help :) > > > Antony. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:14:20 -0300 > From: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Trying to get started > Message-ID: <4E398FFC.90403 at informal.com.br> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi. > One thing that you can do to avoid the CapsLock bug is to use an > external usb keypad. It is not very expensive and works quite well. > > You're correct. I installed using orca presente in the CD and after the > installation I built orca from source downloaded directly from the > repository. > > Regarding the documentation, I think that you weren't in the ideal > place because the interface configured was the unity. > Since you will install ubuntu 10.10 or a similar, I think the link that > you have is a good place. > Forgive my bad english! > > > On 08/03/2011 01:37 PM, Antony Stone wrote: >> On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 17:23:05 Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> If you install ubuntu 11.04 with the accessibility profile enabled, the >>> classic gnome interface will be configured as the default. To enable the >>> accessibility profile you need to press the f5 key in some part of the >>> boot. I don't remember exactly in which part, but I think that is after >>> choose the language. >> >> Okay, that's very good to know, however I think I prefer to avoid the >> CapsLock >> bug :) >> >>> Actually I am using ubuntu 10.10 with orca from git repository. One >>> reason to not use 11.04 is the problem of the CapsLock key. >>> It is very simple to install orca from the git repository. >> >> Thanks - presumably you install with accessibility options selected, and >> then >> build/install Orca from the Git source to bring it up to date? >> >> One final question - have I got the best-available documentation for >> keyboard >> commands, to be able to navigate around the Gnome desktop, control >> applications etc? I'm using >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/2.32/gnome-access-guide.html >> >> >> Thanks for the help :) >> >> >> Antony. >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > End of Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 69, Issue 3 > *************************************************** > From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 17:07:16 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:07:16 -0400 Subject: Enabling Screen Reader for Oneiric Alpha Live Session? Message-ID: <4E42BAC4.3000806@gmail.com> Is the procedure same as in prior versions of Ubuntu? In the wiki pages on boot, installation, and post-install, I notice references to a 'boot menu'. How do I choose "try without installing", without speech? Can I by-pass this menu by something like the "space, f5, 3, enter, enter" sequence I have used before? Thanks, Dave H. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Aug 10 18:20:44 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:20:44 -0600 Subject: Enabling Screen Reader for Oneiric Alpha Live Session? In-Reply-To: <4E42BAC4.3000806@gmail.com> References: <4E42BAC4.3000806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110810122044.4255a538@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:07:16 -0400 Dave Hunt wrote: > Is the procedure same as in prior versions of Ubuntu? In the wiki pages > on boot, installation, and post-install, I notice references to a 'boot > menu'. How do I choose "try without installing", without speech? Can I > by-pass this menu by something like the > "space, f5, 3, enter, enter" sequence I have used before? > > > > Thanks, > > > Dave H. > To be honest, I have not had a chance to try the screen-reader installation yet in oneiric. I know we did not include it as working for alpha3, because all the pieces were not ready yet. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOQsv8AAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAxMoIAKn/7BwAdAg1saMopjZhn4Xn NWfQ1ePpYb/hjyyjNWx48N9eUvXp5qleWEbK0eSkf+zvPMffr0OnGQwNk0Xn62VK L0goiJji6V/4rxCnegV2P4u/H8AYU1dPvdaVLU0/IvxOtCJNIRAQ23gmsfF/hJvJ gc4woR2qoPYVFdkU/TdYZ28+/ZpqXgthgArck4NgFWR66LTjMUxd8d1bZEtP8yto aJIZBsTR+y3ctOuwaJkt9R0eZoEh/cbYklbuCgmT2VAlYK9o0BzEU+Pvx9e8KH0E eoJ8UTJouEMoBtgNbYoKvF+7xNeEpUuqQn4s+dk0ac3+upX6Snpj6PZsNG+JAX4= =9Cc9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mj at mjw.se Wed Aug 10 23:00:41 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 01:00:41 +0200 Subject: Enabling Screen Reader for Oneiric Alpha Live Session? References: <4E42BAC4.3000806@gmail.com> <20110810122044.4255a538@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <006a01cc57b1$5b418430$de16e255@mj> no the oneirc are to buggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Kravetz" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Enabling Screen Reader for Oneiric Alpha Live Session? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:07:16 -0400 > Dave Hunt wrote: > >> Is the procedure same as in prior versions of Ubuntu? In the wiki pages >> on boot, installation, and post-install, I notice references to a 'boot >> menu'. How do I choose "try without installing", without speech? Can I >> by-pass this menu by something like the >> "space, f5, 3, enter, enter" sequence I have used before? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Dave H. >> > > To be honest, I have not had a chance to try the screen-reader > installation yet in oneiric. I know we did not include it as working > for alpha3, because all the pieces were not ready yet. > > > - -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOQsv8AAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAxMoIAKn/7BwAdAg1saMopjZhn4Xn > NWfQ1ePpYb/hjyyjNWx48N9eUvXp5qleWEbK0eSkf+zvPMffr0OnGQwNk0Xn62VK > L0goiJji6V/4rxCnegV2P4u/H8AYU1dPvdaVLU0/IvxOtCJNIRAQ23gmsfF/hJvJ > gc4woR2qoPYVFdkU/TdYZ28+/ZpqXgthgArck4NgFWR66LTjMUxd8d1bZEtP8yto > aJIZBsTR+y3ctOuwaJkt9R0eZoEh/cbYklbuCgmT2VAlYK9o0BzEU+Pvx9e8KH0E > eoJ8UTJouEMoBtgNbYoKvF+7xNeEpUuqQn4s+dk0ac3+upX6Snpj6PZsNG+JAX4= > =9Cc9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Thu Aug 11 16:03:17 2011 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:03:17 +0100 Subject: OggCamp this weekend Message-ID: <4E43FD45.1090206@theopenlearningcentre.com> Hi all, this weekend in the UK we are running a largeish unconference called Oggcamp, jointly hosted by the Ubuntu UK Podcast and the Linux Outlaws podcast. There will be at least one talk on Accessibility which is great. I have been round the venue and whilst it is a historic building it has good lifts and ramps internally and externally. All the rooms we are using are wheelchair accessible and there will be amplified audio in all the rooms. More details at http://oggcamp.org/ Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From CDAC-Mumbai at cdacmumbai.in Thu Aug 11 11:18:12 2011 From: CDAC-Mumbai at cdacmumbai.in (CDAC-Mumbai at cdacmumbai.in) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:48:12 +0530 Subject: FOSS Workshops Update:Registration Date Extended Upto Aug-23rd, 2011 Message-ID: <21048949.833.1313061397718.JavaMail.samba@cmk-ossd-samba> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There's still time to register Building accessibility through large ecosystem innovation Marco Zehe Accessibilty QA Mozilla http://transfersummit.com/programme/1359 Openness in a Niche Neil Williams TobyChurchill http://transfersummit.com/programme/1351 Providing mobile accessibility through collaboration Julian Harty Tester At Large eBay http://transfersummit.com/programme/1346 Full programme details are here http://transfersummit.com/programme I hope to see you there Steve Lee From david at rustytelephone.net Sun Aug 14 04:51:32 2011 From: david at rustytelephone.net (David Sexton) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:21:32 +0530 Subject: FOSS Workshops Update:Registration Date Extended Upto Aug-23rd, 2011 In-Reply-To: <21048949.833.1313061397718.JavaMail.samba@cmk-ossd-samba> References: <21048949.833.1313061397718.JavaMail.samba@cmk-ossd-samba> Message-ID: <4E475454.8040306@rustytelephone.net> Dear Sir and list, This is the second email regarding an "accessibility" workshop. Again, the forms attached are in a completely inaccessible format - two gifs and a pdf file. How will FOSS become more accessible by accessibility workshops who don't care to produce their own documents in an accessible format? Given the complete disregard of my previous email informing the same, I highly doubt the conference's commitment to full accessibility and question the purpose of such workshops. -- David Sexton Consultant Catalyst and systems administrator International Institute for Social Entrepreneurs Kerala, India +91 9400332251 On 8/11/2011 4:48 PM, CDAC-Mumbai at cdacmumbai.in wrote: > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > It gives us, at CDAC, Mumbai, immense pleasure to inform you that > CDAC, Mumbai is organising two workshops titled National Workshop on > FOSS Desktop Accessibility > > and National Workshop on FOSS Adoption in Education > > during August 26-27, 2011 as a part of National Resource Centre for > Free & Open Source Software (NRCFOSS) Phase II initiative. > > NATIONAL WORKSHOP ON FOSS DESKTOP ACCESSIBILITY on August 26, 2011 > will focus on exploring the current trends in the field of > accessibility particularly with regard to FOSS. As you may be aware a > large section of the society comprising people with different kinds of > disabilities finds it difficult to use ICT in the same way as normal > people do for fulfilling different purposes. It is very much required > to provide such people with assistive technologies that make their > interaction with computers more user-friendly and accessible. This > workshop intends to serve as a platform to encourage the use of FOSS > tools and techniques in creating assistive technologies that are > free-of- cost, available to all, easily maintainable etc. for such a > large portion of population in a country like India. The workshop will > also like to leverage the experiences of all stakeholders to identify > and address the issues in those areas of accessibility that are still > untouched. > > Similarly, NATIONAL WORKSHOP ON FOSS ADOPTION IN EDUCATION, on August > 27, 2011 is intended to explore the benefits, role, and developments > of technology, specifically FOSS, in education. FOSS provides > softwares that are free of cost, easily maintainable, community > support, customization freedom, etc. Various FOSS tools in education > will be demonstrated in the workshop. The participants will also get > to experience the work of C-DAC Mumbai in promoting technology/ FOSS > in education. The workshop will provide an opportunity to interact > with participants from different organizations and industry practitioners. > > The workshop will involve keynote and invited lectures by > distinguished researchers and/or professionals. We take this > opportunity to extend you an invitation for participation in these > workshops. Looking forward to see you or your representative at the event. > > Please find attached registration form and workshop brochures. > > Kindly use the following URLs to access more details about the workshops: > > 1.National workshop on FOSS Desktop Accessibility: > http://www.cdacmumbai.in/index.php/news_and_events/national_workshop_on_foss_desktop_accessibility > > 2.National Workshop on FOSS Adoption in Education: > http://www.cdacmumbai.in/index.php/news_and_events/national_workshop_on_foss_adoption_in_education > > Thanking you, > > FOSS Workshops > Organizing Team > CDAC, Kharghar > Navi Mumbai > Tel: +91-22-27565303 Extn.301 > > > -- > :: Disclaimer :: > The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for > the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you > are not the intended recipient, you should return it to the sender > immediately. 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Any information would be greatly appreciated. -- Chris Gregan QA Manager OEM Services Group Canonical USA Inc. cgregan at canonical.com cgregan[irc.freenode.net] W-781-761-9448 ---- 1024/8806032D E70F 7391 6C78 9B9E 6461 1CC7 B168 E1E7 8806 032D From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Aug 15 23:04:35 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:04:35 +1000 Subject: at-spi2 in Ubuntu P In-Reply-To: <4E493977.4070500@canonical.com> References: <4E493977.4070500@canonical.com> Message-ID: <20110815230435.GA30760@strigy.yelavich.home> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 01:21:27AM EST, Chris Gregan wrote: > Team, > The Canonical QA group is meeting in London this week and we were > wondering about the movement of Ubuntu to at-spi2. Any information > would be greatly appreciated. Oneiric is using at-spi2 already, and its running well. The main driver behind the need for at-spi2 has been unity 2D and its use of QT. Luke From gErvin at cableone.net Wed Aug 17 00:52:46 2011 From: gErvin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:52:46 -0500 Subject: starting Ubuntu on an SD card Message-ID: <8E798FFA48484CF98AABB9069CA95B4D@your9f1aaab2d8> Hi, I used the Universal USB installer to put Ubuntu 11.4 onto an 8GB SD card with the intent of booting it on my netbook. I know it works on this netbook, because I used to have it set up as a dual boot system. Anyway, with an option of "run Ubuntu Live" that comes up, it only seems to boot to a flashing cursor, as my recruited eyes stated. So, why is it difficult to boot this to the live option using the Universal installer? Thanks for any help. Glenn From frederik.elwert at web.de Wed Aug 17 12:36:05 2011 From: frederik.elwert at web.de (Frederik Elwert) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:36:05 +0200 Subject: at-spi2 in Ubuntu P In-Reply-To: <20110815230435.GA30760@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4E493977.4070500@canonical.com> <20110815230435.GA30760@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <1313584565.1994.5.camel@frederik-hp> Am Dienstag, den 16.08.2011, 09:04 +1000 schrieb Luke Yelavich: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 01:21:27AM EST, Chris Gregan wrote: > > Team, > > The Canonical QA group is meeting in London this week and we were > > wondering about the movement of Ubuntu to at-spi2. Any information > > would be greatly appreciated. > > Oneiric is using at-spi2 already, and its running well. The main > driver behind the need for at-spi2 has been unity 2D and its use of > QT. I just noticed that dasher in Oneiric still uses at-spi, and therefor conflicts with at-spi2. When trying to install dasher, one has to remove at-spi2 and packages which depend on it, like orca. Are there any plans to move dasher to at-spi2? Frederik From terryjones130 at msn.com Thu Aug 18 11:56:14 2011 From: terryjones130 at msn.com (Terry Jones) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:56:14 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: http://www.didiarte.com/images/test.php?html1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guyster104 at att.net Fri Aug 19 15:45:24 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:45:24 -0400 Subject: getting orca started unity 3d Message-ID: <4E4E8514.7080808@att.net> Hi all, I have a question concerning Oneiric and Orca. What is the best way to get it started? I installed Oneiric last night as an upgrade from Natty, luckily on a box I use for testing, and on reboot, I saw that orca wasn't installed. I installed it, and still can't get it talking. I've tried the alt+f2, then type in orca approach, but no go. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance for the help. Guy From guyster104 at att.net Sun Aug 21 04:35:32 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:35:32 -0400 Subject: starting orca in Ubuntu 11.10 Message-ID: <4E508B14.2030206@att.net> Hi all, I wrote earlier concerning getting orca started on an Oneiric install, upgraded from Natty. I had a sighted person look when I started Orca from terminal, and there was an error message that said "cannot connect to accessibility bus...Is AT-SPI launcher running?" That indeed tells me why I can't start Orca, but why isn't at-spi firing? Is there something that possibly didn't get migrated in the conversion between gconf and gsettings? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much in advance. 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Name: regform_FOSS_Workshops.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 83954 bytes Desc: not available URL: From guyster104 at att.net Mon Aug 22 00:35:17 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:35:17 -0400 Subject: Well progress is progress Message-ID: <4E51A445.8090801@att.net> I wrote a few days back about not being able to start Orca in 3d Unity. I finally got it started, but now the only things it will read are the report problem dialogues. Even if I go into terminal, orca will read the window title when I alt+tab to it, but that is all. Is this a known bug with this version of Ubuntu so far? Any ideas or suggestions would definitely be helpful. Thanks, Guy From apinheiro at igalia.com Mon Aug 22 11:09:34 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:09:34 +0200 Subject: at-spi2 in Ubuntu P In-Reply-To: <1313584565.1994.5.camel@frederik-hp> References: <4E493977.4070500@canonical.com> <20110815230435.GA30760@strigy.yelavich.home> <1313584565.1994.5.camel@frederik-hp> Message-ID: <4E5238EE.6010908@igalia.com> AFAIK, Dasher dependency with at-spi is optional, as at that time a C library to work with at-spi2 was not available. So I guess that for the moment it would be good to create the ubuntu package without that dependency. On 08/17/2011 02:36 PM, Frederik Elwert wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 16.08.2011, 09:04 +1000 schrieb Luke Yelavich: >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 01:21:27AM EST, Chris Gregan wrote: >>> Team, >>> The Canonical QA group is meeting in London this week and we were >>> wondering about the movement of Ubuntu to at-spi2. Any information >>> would be greatly appreciated. >> Oneiric is using at-spi2 already, and its running well. The main >> driver behind the need for at-spi2 has been unity 2D and its use of >> QT. > I just noticed that dasher in Oneiric still uses at-spi, and therefor > conflicts with at-spi2. When trying to install dasher, one has to remove > at-spi2 and packages which depend on it, like orca. > > Are there any plans to move dasher to at-spi2? > > Frederik > > -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From apinheiro at igalia.com Mon Aug 22 11:11:24 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:11:24 +0200 Subject: getting orca started unity 3d In-Reply-To: <4E4E8514.7080808@att.net> References: <4E4E8514.7080808@att.net> Message-ID: <4E52395C.3050807@igalia.com> Some weeks ago a11y was not working on Oneiric due this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/810033 Do you know if the Oneiric that you installed already has this bug solved? On 08/19/2011 05:45 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, I have a question concerning Oneiric and Orca. What is the best > > way to get it started? I installed Oneiric last night as an upgrade > from Natty, luckily on a box I use for testing, and on reboot, I saw > that orca wasn't installed. I installed it, and still can't get it > talking. I've tried the alt+f2, then type in orca approach, but no go. > Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance for the help. > > > Guy > > > -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From frederik.elwert at web.de Mon Aug 22 11:36:39 2011 From: frederik.elwert at web.de (Frederik Elwert) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:36:39 +0200 Subject: at-spi2 in Ubuntu P In-Reply-To: <4E5238EE.6010908@igalia.com> References: <4E493977.4070500@canonical.com> <20110815230435.GA30760@strigy.yelavich.home> <1313584565.1994.5.camel@frederik-hp> <4E5238EE.6010908@igalia.com> Message-ID: <1314012999.1993.47.camel@frederik-hp> Am Montag, den 22.08.2011, 13:09 +0200 schrieb Piñeiro: > AFAIK, Dasher dependency with at-spi is optional, as at that time a C > library to work with at-spi2 was not available. > > So I guess that for the moment it would be good to create the ubuntu > package without that dependency. Agreed. Just yesterday, I compiled dasher trunk on Oneiric without at-spi, and it worked. So would be great if the package could be updated accordingly. Cheers, Frederik From guyster104 at att.net Mon Aug 22 11:58:58 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 07:58:58 -0400 Subject: getting orca started unity 3d In-Reply-To: <4E52395C.3050807@igalia.com> References: <4E4E8514.7080808@att.net> <4E52395C.3050807@igalia.com> Message-ID: <4E524482.2070104@att.net> I assume so. I did an upgrade from Natty, using sudo apt-get dist-upgrade this past Thursday. I'm thinking that all the updates were downloaded, but I'll have to look at the bug report and status, and double-check. Thanks much for the reply. Guy On 08/22/2011 07:11 AM, Piñeiro wrote: > Some weeks ago a11y was not working on Oneiric due this bug: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/810033 > > Do you know if the Oneiric that you installed already has this bug > solved? > > On 08/19/2011 05:45 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: >> Hi all, I have a question concerning Oneiric and Orca. What is the best >> >> way to get it started? I installed Oneiric last night as an upgrade >> from Natty, luckily on a box I use for testing, and on reboot, I saw >> that orca wasn't installed. I installed it, and still can't get it >> talking. I've tried the alt+f2, then type in orca approach, but no go. >> Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance for the help. >> >> >> Guy >> >> >> > > From nolan at thewordnerd.info Thu Aug 25 18:07:45 2011 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:07:45 -0500 Subject: Natty accessibility issues Message-ID: <4E568F71.6080601@thewordnerd.info> Just upgraded to Natty today and am having some issues: 1. I was switched to Unity despite its being somewhat less accessible, and can't find an accessible way to switch back. There appear to be unlabeled controls on the login screen, including one that speaks "null". How do I switch back to classic GNOME from the command line? And I thought that Unity wouldn't be hoisted onto existing users, just new ones. 2. I'm encountering an issue wherein pressing capslock to use Orca commands in laptop mode actually toggles capslock. This is going to be a pain and a half if there isn't a workaround. What is that workaround? Have to admit to being a bit frustrated by these. Part of why I waited to upgrade to the latest _stable_ Ubuntu version until August was that I'd hoped that any lingering access issues would be worked out by now. I understand why a new version of Unity can't ship, but this capslock thing took me five minutes to spot. Surely it was encountered sometime since April 30th and a fix could have been shipped? I could also understand if I was upgrading to the unstable 11.10, but this is a stable Ubuntu months after release. There shouldn't be these productivity-killing issues present in a stable upgrade after months of it being out in the wild. But in any case, thanks for any workarounds. It'll be nice to get back to a more accessible GUI and get this capslock thing sorted so I can start getting work done today. From macoafi at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 20:24:44 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:24:44 -0400 Subject: Natty accessibility issues In-Reply-To: <4E568F71.6080601@thewordnerd.info> References: <4E568F71.6080601@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > but this capslock thing > took me five minutes to spot. Surely it was encountered sometime since April > 30th and a fix could have been shipped? I remember this issue being brought up on this list months ago, but I can't find any record of it in the bugtracker. -- Mackenzie Morgan From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Aug 25 20:47:47 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:47:47 -0600 Subject: Natty accessibility issues In-Reply-To: <4E568F71.6080601@thewordnerd.info> References: <4E568F71.6080601@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <20110825144747.1591d684@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:07:45 -0500 Nolan Darilek wrote: > Just upgraded to Natty today and am having some issues: > > 1. I was switched to Unity despite its being somewhat less accessible, > and can't find an accessible way to switch back. There appear to be > unlabeled controls on the login screen, including one that speaks > "null". How do I switch back to classic GNOME from the command line? And > I thought that Unity wouldn't be hoisted onto existing users, just new ones. I do not know the accessible way to do this, but if you could have someone assist: - From the login screen, after entering your name, change the session at the bottom of the screen from "Ubuntu" to "Classic". After being changed, it should remain at classic. > > 2. I'm encountering an issue wherein pressing capslock to use Orca > commands in laptop mode actually toggles capslock. This is going to be a > pain and a half if there isn't a workaround. What is that workaround? Copying the response from Luke on July 27, 2011: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2011-July/005314.html Yes, this problem is known, however nobody knows how to fix it yet, probably because nobody is looking. I'd like to try and address this ASAP, so intend to try and find some time to dig deeper into this problem that is also affecting Ubuntu 11.10. If a fix is found, 11.04 will be given the fix also. > > Have to admit to being a bit frustrated by these. Part of why I waited > to upgrade to the latest _stable_ Ubuntu version until August was that > I'd hoped that any lingering access issues would be worked out by now. I > understand why a new version of Unity can't ship, but this capslock > thing took me five minutes to spot. Surely it was encountered sometime > since April 30th and a fix could have been shipped? I could also > understand if I was upgrading to the unstable 11.10, but this is a > stable Ubuntu months after release. There shouldn't be these > productivity-killing issues present in a stable upgrade after months of > it being out in the wild. > > But in any case, thanks for any workarounds. It'll be nice to get back > to a more accessible GUI and get this capslock thing sorted so I can > start getting work done today. > - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOVrTzAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAt7EH/jZD2F6nt5NCzuTHgBfbYcBP OPbLGjcInA/P+isBXw9bBrtn/CjChYyqEnWdyszzevcAmkoBQ9pHeJIt4DMTJX4m m0dyTKnafhsnEYrTyECnkGAwPQRjjOVsDh9m+IsQzy4ULt0JmhZGZlhpYA2oESRQ qns7d999o6t+whu6B/YqFkQV5oxMslNuFhfnZol8O9TjrouyJFb5deoiWnn5UJEh d5Vc/B/2bRkJMFj7W3fCWySfNMvkeZyo3sDEeJR9bllWTxPgj1dxpEaE00pcIpS9 dRE0Hvqqyr5+JNFKAK7HyTn56dGuC03dXi42/PVdp+CaXToPriljKi56IwmvaZY= =1lht -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nolan at thewordnerd.info Fri Aug 26 15:58:24 2011 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:58:24 -0500 Subject: Natty accessibility issues In-Reply-To: <20110825144747.1591d684@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <4E568F71.6080601@thewordnerd.info> <20110825144747.1591d684@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4E57C2A0.9050004@thewordnerd.info> OK, figured out how to get classic GNOME back accessibly. I discovered that the menubar normally reachable via F10 has some extra options, and under one such I found the system configuration tool. Under that I found the login settings screen, where I switched back to classic GNOME. I don't recall which submenu it was under, as I'm now back to classic and am not going back until these issues are resolved. I noticed on this screen that, while all controls are identified as buttons, pressing space didn't activate them as it normally does. This was a bit surprising. Anyhow, hoping the capslock thing can get resolved. Using Orca on my laptop is kind of painful even with a remapped key, as I either have to switch modes, or use my left hand to tap Insert while using my right to use a laptop mode command. Thanks for the tips. On 08/25/2011 03:47 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:07:45 -0500 > Nolan Darilek wrote: > >> Just upgraded to Natty today and am having some issues: >> >> 1. I was switched to Unity despite its being somewhat less accessible, >> and can't find an accessible way to switch back. There appear to be >> unlabeled controls on the login screen, including one that speaks >> "null". How do I switch back to classic GNOME from the command line? And >> I thought that Unity wouldn't be hoisted onto existing users, just new ones. > I do not know the accessible way to do this, but if you could have > someone assist: > > - From the login screen, after entering your name, change the session at > the bottom of the screen from "Ubuntu" to "Classic". After being > changed, it should remain at classic. > >> 2. I'm encountering an issue wherein pressing capslock to use Orca >> commands in laptop mode actually toggles capslock. This is going to be a >> pain and a half if there isn't a workaround. What is that workaround? > Copying the response from Luke on July 27, 2011: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2011-July/005314.html > > Yes, this problem is known, however nobody knows how to fix it yet, > probably because nobody is looking. I'd like to try and address this > ASAP, so intend to try and find some time to dig deeper into this > problem that is also affecting Ubuntu 11.10. If a fix is found, 11.04 > will be given the fix also. > >> Have to admit to being a bit frustrated by these. Part of why I waited >> to upgrade to the latest _stable_ Ubuntu version until August was that >> I'd hoped that any lingering access issues would be worked out by now. I >> understand why a new version of Unity can't ship, but this capslock >> thing took me five minutes to spot. Surely it was encountered sometime >> since April 30th and a fix could have been shipped? I could also >> understand if I was upgrading to the unstable 11.10, but this is a >> stable Ubuntu months after release. There shouldn't be these >> productivity-killing issues present in a stable upgrade after months of >> it being out in the wild. >> >> But in any case, thanks for any workarounds. It'll be nice to get back >> to a more accessible GUI and get this capslock thing sorted so I can >> start getting work done today. >> > > - -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOVrTzAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAt7EH/jZD2F6nt5NCzuTHgBfbYcBP > OPbLGjcInA/P+isBXw9bBrtn/CjChYyqEnWdyszzevcAmkoBQ9pHeJIt4DMTJX4m > m0dyTKnafhsnEYrTyECnkGAwPQRjjOVsDh9m+IsQzy4ULt0JmhZGZlhpYA2oESRQ > qns7d999o6t+whu6B/YqFkQV5oxMslNuFhfnZol8O9TjrouyJFb5deoiWnn5UJEh > d5Vc/B/2bRkJMFj7W3fCWySfNMvkeZyo3sDEeJR9bllWTxPgj1dxpEaE00pcIpS9 > dRE0Hvqqyr5+JNFKAK7HyTn56dGuC03dXi42/PVdp+CaXToPriljKi56IwmvaZY= > =1lht > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From herzog at frontiernet.net Fri Aug 26 23:46:24 2011 From: herzog at frontiernet.net (Herzog) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:46:24 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E583050.9070404@frontiernet.net> i had same cap-lock and read all semi colon; but last updates fixed that. i must alt-f2, orca to start yet. it too will get fixed, as has in the past. wil On 8/26/2011 8:00 AM, ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-accessibility-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Natty accessibility issues (Nolan Darilek) > 2. Re: Natty accessibility issues (Mackenzie Morgan) > 3. Re: Natty accessibility issues (Charlie Kravetz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:07:45 -0500 > From: Nolan Darilek > To: Ubuntu-accessibility > Subject: Natty accessibility issues > Message-ID:<4E568F71.6080601 at thewordnerd.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Just upgraded to Natty today and am having some issues: > > 1. I was switched to Unity despite its being somewhat less accessible, > and can't find an accessible way to switch back. There appear to be > unlabeled controls on the login screen, including one that speaks > "null". How do I switch back to classic GNOME from the command line? And > I thought that Unity wouldn't be hoisted onto existing users, just new ones. > > 2. I'm encountering an issue wherein pressing capslock to use Orca > commands in laptop mode actually toggles capslock. This is going to be a > pain and a half if there isn't a workaround. What is that workaround? > > Have to admit to being a bit frustrated by these. Part of why I waited > to upgrade to the latest_stable_ Ubuntu version until August was that > I'd hoped that any lingering access issues would be worked out by now. I > understand why a new version of Unity can't ship, but this capslock > thing took me five minutes to spot. Surely it was encountered sometime > since April 30th and a fix could have been shipped? I could also > understand if I was upgrading to the unstable 11.10, but this is a > stable Ubuntu months after release. There shouldn't be these > productivity-killing issues present in a stable upgrade after months of > it being out in the wild. > > But in any case, thanks for any workarounds. It'll be nice to get back > to a more accessible GUI and get this capslock thing sorted so I can > start getting work done today. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:24:44 -0400 > From: Mackenzie Morgan > To: Ubuntu-accessibility > Subject: Re: Natty accessibility issues > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> > but this capslock thing >> > took me five minutes to spot. Surely it was encountered sometime since April >> > 30th and a fix could have been shipped? > I remember this issue being brought up on this list months ago, but I > can't find any record of it in the bugtracker. > > -- Mackenzie Morgan ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: > Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:47:47 -0600 From: Charlie Kravetz > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Natty accessibility issues Message-ID: > <20110825144747.1591d684 at teamcharliesangels.com> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: > SHA1 On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:07:45 -0500 Nolan Darilek > wrote: >> > Just upgraded to Natty today and am having some issues: >> > >> > 1. I was switched to Unity despite its being somewhat less accessible, >> > and can't find an accessible way to switch back. There appear to be >> > unlabeled controls on the login screen, including one that speaks >> > "null". How do I switch back to classic GNOME from the command line? And >> > I thought that Unity wouldn't be hoisted onto existing users, just new ones. > I do not know the accessible way to do this, but if you could have > someone assist: > > - From the login screen, after entering your name, change the session at > the bottom of the screen from "Ubuntu" to "Classic". After being > changed, it should remain at classic. > >> > >> > 2. I'm encountering an issue wherein pressing capslock to use Orca >> > commands in laptop mode actually toggles capslock. This is going to be a >> > pain and a half if there isn't a workaround. What is that workaround? > Copying the response from Luke on July 27, 2011: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2011-July/005314.html > > Yes, this problem is known, however nobody knows how to fix it yet, > probably because nobody is looking. I'd like to try and address this > ASAP, so intend to try and find some time to dig deeper into this > problem that is also affecting Ubuntu 11.10. If a fix is found, 11.04 > will be given the fix also. > >> > >> > Have to admit to being a bit frustrated by these. Part of why I waited >> > to upgrade to the latest_stable_ Ubuntu version until August was that >> > I'd hoped that any lingering access issues would be worked out by now. I >> > understand why a new version of Unity can't ship, but this capslock >> > thing took me five minutes to spot. Surely it was encountered sometime >> > since April 30th and a fix could have been shipped? I could also >> > understand if I was upgrading to the unstable 11.10, but this is a >> > stable Ubuntu months after release. There shouldn't be these >> > productivity-killing issues present in a stable upgrade after months of >> > it being out in the wild. >> > >> > But in any case, thanks for any workarounds. It'll be nice to get back >> > to a more accessible GUI and get this capslock thing sorted so I can >> > start getting work done today. >> > > - -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. 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