From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 1 01:49:34 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:49:34 +1100 Subject: Menus not speaking in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4ED6AFBA.7040104@gmail.com> References: <4ED6AFBA.7040104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20111201014934.GA3374@acapella.yelavich.home> On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:35:38AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi > > Most times, in most applications, Orca will not read the menus, > whether activated by a press of 'f10', or by hitting a shortcut that > should activate a menu. For instance, in Firefox, if I use 'f10', > Orca says "file label", but, moving the cursor up or down is silent. > The restof the top row will speak, for instance "edit lable", "view > label"... When I get to the Unity menus, such as "session", orca > says nothing. Note, from my subject, this stuff is, sometimes, > spoken and working as it should. Unfrotunately this is a known bug, that is unlikely to be fixed in oneiric. I've been looking at this myself, and I think the problem is that the way the top unity panel/menu deals with menus in the accessibility space is not entirely correct, so that code needs reworking. My intension is to get this done for precise. Luke From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Dec 1 08:20:48 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:20:48 +0100 Subject: Menus not speaking in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <20111201014934.GA3374@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <4ED6AFBA.7040104@gmail.com> <20111201014934.GA3374@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4ED738E0.8050103@pickup.hu> Luke, this problem is partialy not related following GTK3 bug? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654410 Attila From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 1 22:18:01 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:18:01 +1100 Subject: Menus not speaking in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4ED738E0.8050103@pickup.hu> References: <4ED6AFBA.7040104@gmail.com> <20111201014934.GA3374@acapella.yelavich.home> <4ED738E0.8050103@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20111201221801.GA3085@acapella.yelavich.home> On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 07:20:48PM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Luke, this problem is partialy not related following GTK3 bug? > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654410 Whilst that will help the overall menu experience, this bug has nothing to do with the reported issue. The problem is purely in the Unity panel, and how the accedssibility code for the global menu system was implemented. Luke From luke.yelavich at canonical.com Thu Dec 1 23:40:35 2011 From: luke.yelavich at canonical.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:40:35 +1100 Subject: Menus not speaking in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4ED7FE35.1050005@gmail.com> References: <4ED6AFBA.7040104@gmail.com> <20111201014934.GA3374@acapella.yelavich.home> <4ED738E0.8050103@pickup.hu> <20111201221801.GA3085@acapella.yelavich.home> <4ED7FE35.1050005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20111201234035.GA3856@acapella.yelavich.home> On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:22:45AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: > Thank you for clarifying what I'd thought--this is a Unity-specific > issue. That said, is there an eyes-free way to set Gnome as the > desktop? I have a copy of a message in which you give a dbus > command one can enter, in the terminal, to assure that Unity-2d is > the default. Would I be able to substitute 'gnome-shell' or > 'gnome-classic', or something? Yes. Install the gnome-session-fallback package, and substitute ubuntu-2d for gnome-fallback in the dbus-send command you are referring to. Luke From kd7cyu at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 17:42:59 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:42:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Unity folder question Message-ID: Under gnome I always used to prefer items in a folder to be in list form so I don't have to go left and right and work through muliple rows to find a file. I have not found a way to do this in unity. Does this ability exist and if so where do I find it? Tom From phillw at thesii.org Sun Dec 4 01:56:49 2011 From: phillw at thesii.org (Phill Whiteside) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:56:49 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Speech Recognition application. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys & gals... I've looked after that little phoenix, time to awaken it. I know it and SII are "upstream" but... any volunteers to assist. Hi folks, > As some of you know, SpeechControl has been through a bad patch. However, > it's a requirement of the SII as a foundation to have SpeechControl working > as a team once again. Can those who wish to drive SpeechControl up from its > ruins please make yourselves known by replying to this message with a > confirmation along with a listing of skills that you have? This will pull > the few developers we have of the Wintermute project. It is thought that > after a period of getting this up and running, this project can be > maintained by one person. Guess what I'm looking for :) > For the SII team, they do have a decent server area the 16G at > http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ as Wintermute's AI and requires a lot of > computational power in order to speed up its growing process. They asked > for some horses under the bonnet; I can jump to the 24G if it needs. > Yes, we are upstream; meaning we reach each Linux distribution out there > (or at least try). But, Speech Control will be restarted I have missed the > step getting even get Freenode authorisation, which the previous users did > not as we have #sii authority. Having had a chat, the area will be > #sii-speechcontrol. > Regards, > Phill ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dante Ashton Date: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:44 PM Subject: Speech Recognition application. To: Jacky Alcine , Phill Whiteside < phillw at thesii.org>, jose luis ricon Alright, me and Jacky had the wonderful idea last night of taking the work being done to integrate Sphinx into Wintermute, and thought about releasing it as a seperate application, a la Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Sphinx itself is almost complete (though it's accuracy needs some work) and turning Sphinx into an end-user application where such users can install from a .deb file and start dictating their documents requires around three developers working for around five months to produce an interface for it. 1. The interface must take speech input and pass it to the system as keyboard input. 2. The interface must be able to provide a clear, simple and above all, easy training system (we could throw in a few Creative Commons short stories from feedbooks for the system to learn how to recognize it's users voice ) 3. The system must have a large (and I mean VERY large) dictionary to match speech to words. 4. The system should also have a grammar and punctuation checker/correcter (so users wont have to say 'Period' at the end of every sentence) This would also be handy for Wintermute, and thankfully there are a large number of high quality systems under GPL licensing. 5. The system must be able to accept user-defined words and record the users saying it. 6. The system must be not only open-source, but fully extensible; other applications/games could choose to integrate with the system 7. It must be able to check microphone quailty (by getting the user to read out a pre-wrrtten sentence) and also check volume (so it can hear the user) and input. 8. The system could work with the VoxForge project, and by opting in, our users could send soundbytes (along with the corrected output) to extend F/OSS work into speech synth and recognition with no cost to themselves. 9. Must accept certain keywords to either listen to microphone input and ignore it. That about covers it; this should plug a major hole in F/OSS, it's fairly easy to do and it's a very realistic goal. Two things, though; Jacky suggested we make use of Google's Speech Recognition instead of Sphinx; well, 1. They don't allow it, and 2. It's proprietary; I'd rather like to keep this as F/OSS as much as possible. The other thing is that of a name; Jacky suggested the Speech Encapsulator; but I doubt many will instantly see the link between encapsulation and speech recognition...thoughts, anyone? -- -Danté Ashton CPU of the S.I.I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.midence at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 15:24:52 2011 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:24:52 -0600 Subject: run-as-root applications and Unity/gnome3 Message-ID: Hi, I can't seem to get the Ubuntu accessible installer to pre-configure my system such that applications that are run as root such as Synaptic get spoken. Previously, this involved creating a .orbitrc file in the /root directory but, I understand this is no longer the case with the DBus port of at-spi. Can someone please tell me what I need to configure and what files, if any, I need to modify in order for these applications to get spoken with Orca? Thanks. Alex M From zandrebran at ubuntu.com Mon Dec 5 19:51:00 2011 From: zandrebran at ubuntu.com (Zandre Bran) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:51:00 -0200 Subject: run-as-root applications and Unity/gnome3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > Hi, Hi Alex, sorry my english, Brazilian guy. > I can't seem to get the Ubuntu accessible installer to pre-configure > my system such that applications that are run as root such as Synaptic > get spoken. You find bug in synaptic and orca. Please see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/607605 In summary, the cake recipe: $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility false $ gksu synaptic $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility true > Thanks. > Alex M -- []s -- Zandre. :: http://linuxacessivel.org :: http://zandrebran.blog.br From alex.midence at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 14:11:39 2011 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 08:11:39 -0600 Subject: run-as-root applications and Unity/gnome3 Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:51:00 -0200 > From: Zandre Bran > To: Alex Midence > Cc: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: run-as-root applications and Unity/gnome3 > Message-ID: > Hi Alex, sorry my english, Brazilian guy. Hi, Zandre, No problem. =) Tenho muitos amigos brasileiros eu. (I have many Brazilian friends.) > > > You find bug in synaptic and orca. Please see: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/607605 > > In summary, the cake recipe: > > $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility false > $ gksu synaptic > $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility true Help me make sense of this, please. From the looks of it, I am turning off accessibility support with the first string, calling up Synaptic, ending my work on Synaptic and then turning accessibility back on after I am done. How does this help with making Orca speak in Synaptic? I can see how it would prevent the crashes but, I also need accessibility turned on in order to access the screen. Thanks. Alex M From zandrebran at ubuntu.com Tue Dec 6 14:45:45 2011 From: zandrebran at ubuntu.com (Zandre Bran) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:45:45 -0200 Subject: run-as-root applications and Unity/gnome3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > Hi, Zandre, > No problem.  =)  Tenho muitos amigos brasileiros eu.  (I have many > Brazilian friends.) Legal, fazemos bons amigos no software livre. Cool. We do make really good friends in open-source. >> $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility false >> $ gksu synaptic >> $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility true > >[...] How does this help with making Orca speak in > Synaptic?  I can see how it would prevent the crashes but, I also need > accessibility turned on in order to access the screen. Easy, start orca; create file syp.sh (gedit syp.sh) and paste: #init paste gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility false sleep 1 gksu synaptic & sleep 10 gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility true # end paste Now, in terminal, make executable: $ chmod +x syp.sh To call: $ ./syp.sh Of course, there are several ways of doing. But, now make fun :) > Thanks. > Alex M -- []s -- Zandre. :: http://linuxacessivel.org :: http://zandrebran.blog.br From zandrebran at ubuntu.com Tue Dec 6 20:35:43 2011 From: zandrebran at ubuntu.com (Zandre Bran) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:35:43 -0200 Subject: run-as-root applications and Unity/gnome3 In-Reply-To: <4EDE46E6.9090602@gmail.com> References: <4EDE46E6.9090602@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi Dave. I'm send copy for list the ubuntu accessibility. > What am I missing, here?  Are you saying we'll have an accessible synaptic > by turn ing the accessibility off? Definitely not. There is a bug in synaptic active with the orca. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/607605 But this can be bypassed easily. Loaded with Orca, simply uncheck the option to accessibility in the dconf during loading of synaptic. After re-check option accessibility in the dconf. Orca begin speaking for synaptic. Please, check: # file: syp.sh # force crash synaptic, but add password sudo in cache. because you must enter the password with the toolkit-accessibility enabled. gksu synaptic # uncheck accessibility gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility false # wait 1 sec sleep 1 # call synaptic in background gksu synaptic & # waiting 3 secs. sleep 3 #re-check accessibility gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility true # ok, orca begin speaking for synaptic > Something lost in translation, Maybe, but understand now? Do you have another way to do this? > Dave -- []s -- Zandre. :: http://linuxacessivel.org :: http://zandrebran.blog.br From mhall119 at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 8 00:13:45 2011 From: mhall119 at ubuntu.com (Michael Hall) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:13:45 -0500 Subject: draft for Friends of GNOME campaign In-Reply-To: References: <10feaedade092d219324e244557789ca.squirrel@secure.motives.com> <4ED3DF7C.4090407@gnome.org> Message-ID: <4EE00139.1030801@ubuntu.com> Forwarding this on to the Ubuntu accessibility team, and they might have some good real-life stories to share as well. Michael Hall mhall119 at ubuntu.com On 12/06/2011 12:50 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Dave Neary > wrote: > > > > Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made > measurably better because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases > work wonders. > > > I agree with Dave that a quote or a case study would make it more real. > People are much more willing to donate to save a particular kid ("Joey") > who is sick than they are to donate to an organization that helps > vaccinate 1000s of kids. > > Also, I think we should end with a call to action. What do we want them > to do? ex: "Donate $25 now and help us reach another person." > > Stormy > > From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 05:34:50 2011 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:34:50 -0800 Subject: draft for Friends of GNOME campaign In-Reply-To: <4EE00139.1030801@ubuntu.com> References: <10feaedade092d219324e244557789ca.squirrel@secure.motives.com> <4ED3DF7C.4090407@gnome.org> <4EE00139.1030801@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <4EE04C7A.4050202@gmail.com> Hello, Michael, all. As concerning this topic, it was suggested to me on the gnome-accessibility mailing list that a Testimonials page would be beneficial in allowing users to share their stories about how assistive technologies such as Orca as well as other applications have improved their lives and have made them more productive in a Linux environment as a way to promote open source technologies and free desktops. I have begun to develop a testimonials page [1], and I would also like to request the aid of other users in providing (freely) their experiences with these technologies. I want to add that I am not a paid professional of any sort. I am simply a visually impaired user who wants to see accessibility-related technologies flourish in an open source environment. I was a Windows user until 2007 when I completely switched to Linux. I could not afford the prices of commercially available assistive technologies, nor could I afford to pay for upgrades for these technologies. I was running an updated Windows system with old and outdated assistive technology software, which made things difficult. I, to this day, still am having difficulty with finding work due to my visual disability, but I use my computer system to learn new skills and to keep myself informed (as I am a Computer Information Systems student, due to graduate after this semester). I can honestly say that I would have not been able to come this far if not for open source technologies. Though I am sure that someone could probably do a much better job on the page listed in the footnote of this message, this is (as best as I am able to do it) my small contribution to the big picture. If anyone has a brief story or testimonial which you would like added to the page, please feel free to write to me off-list (or on-list if it is alright to do so). It was suggested that users provide a picture of themselves along with their testimonials, but this is not absolutely mandatory. Orca and screen magnification are absolutely vital to me as a blind user. Without these technologies available, I would be at a tremendous loss, and I definitely would not be able to pursue a career in the field which I love so much--computer science/IT. Thanks for any input, and thanks for posting this here, Michael. [1] Accessibility Testimonials: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Testimonials On 12/07/2011 04:13 PM, Michael Hall wrote: > Forwarding this on to the Ubuntu accessibility team, and they might have > some good real-life stories to share as well. > > Michael Hall > mhall119 at ubuntu.com > > > On 12/06/2011 12:50 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Dave Neary> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made >> measurably better because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases >> work wonders. >> >> >> I agree with Dave that a quote or a case study would make it more real. >> People are much more willing to donate to save a particular kid ("Joey") >> who is sick than they are to donate to an organization that helps >> vaccinate 1000s of kids. >> >> Also, I think we should end with a call to action. What do we want them >> to do? ex: "Donate $25 now and help us reach another person." >> >> Stormy >> >> From eric.oyen at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 08:59:29 2011 From: eric.oyen at gmail.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:59:29 -0700 Subject: draft for Friends of GNOME campaign In-Reply-To: <4EE04C7A.4050202@gmail.com> References: <10feaedade092d219324e244557789ca.squirrel@secure.motives.com> <4ED3DF7C.4090407@gnome.org> <4EE00139.1030801@ubuntu.com> <4EE04C7A.4050202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3A6717EF-64C9-486D-882F-D5C3DD796E77@gmail.com> thanks for the suggestion of some input. I won't make this a testimonyl as there are still problems with gnome 3. the older gnome 2.x works well with orca and that is still used in vinuxproject.org. any attempt for me to use gnome 3 has resulted in inconsistent results (with the end result that some of the screen elements are invisible to me). as of this writing, I am using vinux 3.01 (based on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS) as that is the most reliable (stable) version. making such radical changes to gnome without considering that may break accessibility was a poor move on the part of the gnome project devs. I know that there is a new project called unity desktop (that is supposed to look a lot like the OS X cocoa interface), but it is so new that it doesn't entirely work with orca (which I depend on totally as I am totally blind). anyway, all that being said, I still would prefer using either OS X (apple with voiceover) or ORCA (in vinux) more than I would any version of windows (I still use that on occasion with NVDA). unfortunately, I don't have the income necessary to upgrade my hardware to some windows 7 compliance nor would I have any spare income for the $1,000+ pricetag for windows accessibility (first year SMA + initial cost of JAWS for $850). up until this last year, I was able to function as a system administrator with low vision. 15 months ago I finally lost all eyesight and have had to request VR services in order to get retrained to better operate in an IT environment. so far, I am still waiting for the state of Arizona to get on with it. -eric On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello, Michael, all. > > As concerning this topic, it was suggested to me on the gnome-accessibility mailing list that a Testimonials page would be beneficial in allowing users to share their stories about how assistive technologies such as Orca as well as other applications have improved their lives and have made them more productive in a Linux environment as a way to promote open source technologies and free desktops. > > I have begun to develop a testimonials page [1], and I would also like to request the aid of other users in providing (freely) their experiences with these technologies. > > I want to add that I am not a paid professional of any sort. I am simply a visually impaired user who wants to see accessibility-related technologies flourish in an open source environment. I was a Windows user until 2007 when I completely switched to Linux. I could not afford the prices of commercially available assistive technologies, nor could I afford to pay for upgrades for these technologies. I was running an updated Windows system with old and outdated assistive technology software, which made things difficult. I, to this day, still am having difficulty with finding work due to my visual disability, but I use my computer system to learn new skills and to keep myself informed (as I am a Computer Information Systems student, due to graduate after this semester). I can honestly say that I would have not been able to come this far if not for open source technologies. Though I am sure that someone could probably do a much better job on the page listed in the footnote of this message, this is (as best as I am able to do it) my small contribution to the big picture. > > If anyone has a brief story or testimonial which you would like added to the page, please feel free to write to me off-list (or on-list if it is alright to do so). It was suggested that users provide a picture of themselves along with their testimonials, but this is not absolutely mandatory. > > Orca and screen magnification are absolutely vital to me as a blind user. Without these technologies available, I would be at a tremendous loss, and I definitely would not be able to pursue a career in the field which I love so much--computer science/IT. > > Thanks for any input, and thanks for posting this here, Michael. > > [1] Accessibility Testimonials: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Testimonials > > On 12/07/2011 04:13 PM, Michael Hall wrote: >> Forwarding this on to the Ubuntu accessibility team, and they might have >> some good real-life stories to share as well. >> >> Michael Hall >> mhall119 at ubuntu.com >> >> >> On 12/06/2011 12:50 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Dave Neary>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made >>> measurably better because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases >>> work wonders. >>> >>> >>> I agree with Dave that a quote or a case study would make it more real. >>> People are much more willing to donate to save a particular kid ("Joey") >>> who is sick than they are to donate to an organization that helps >>> vaccinate 1000s of kids. >>> >>> Also, I think we should end with a call to action. What do we want them >>> to do? ex: "Donate $25 now and help us reach another person." >>> >>> Stormy >>> >>> > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From juanjomarin96 at yahoo.es Thu Dec 8 23:54:05 2011 From: juanjomarin96 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Juanjo_Mar=EDn?=) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:54:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: draft for Friends of GNOME campaign In-Reply-To: <4EE00139.1030801@ubuntu.com> References: <10feaedade092d219324e244557789ca.squirrel@secure.motives.com> <4ED3DF7C.4090407@gnome.org> <4EE00139.1030801@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1323388445.38564.YahooMailNeo@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: Michael Hall > Para: marketing-list at gnome.org; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > CC: > Enviado: jueves 8 de diciembre de 2011 1:13 > Asunto: Re: draft for Friends of GNOME campaign > > Forwarding this on to the Ubuntu accessibility team, and they might have > some good real-life stories to share as well. > > Michael Hall > mhall119 at ubuntu.com >  Thank you Michael. Any help counts ;-) -- Juanjo Marin From eric.oyen at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 11:12:15 2011 From: eric.oyen at gmail.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 04:12:15 -0700 Subject: best package manager for screenreaders? Message-ID: <0E97149E-F426-4471-89CD-C8AC57EC1D22@gmail.com> I am trying to figure out which package manager is best using orca. so far, my experience with "software center" has been lack luster at best. and aptitude has some refresh problems that make using a screen reader a real pain. anyone have a package manager that will allow listing of packages (by type or relevance) without all the clumsiness? I just spent 5 hours finalizing an installation. the new gnome desktop works ok, but it lacks some of the functionality that was in the older gnome 2.x (such easier to find menus, etc.). I am wondering if the unity packages have something to do with this. also, I tried to get synaptic package manager to work and it quits on starting. looks like something is missing there. -eric From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Dec 10 12:39:35 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:39:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: best package manager for screenreaders? In-Reply-To: <0E97149E-F426-4471-89CD-C8AC57EC1D22@gmail.com> References: <0E97149E-F426-4471-89CD-C8AC57EC1D22@gmail.com> Message-ID: aptitude is the way to go, and if you want to find things apt-cache search "search string" and if you put a space in search string, the quotes around it are mandatory.On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, Eric Oyen wrote: > I am trying to figure out which package manager is best using orca. so far, my experience with "software center" has been lack luster at best. and aptitude has some refresh problems that make using a screen reader a real pain. > > anyone have a package manager that will allow listing of packages (by type or relevance) without all the clumsiness? > > I just spent 5 hours finalizing an installation. the new gnome desktop works ok, but it lacks some of the functionality that was in the older gnome 2.x (such easier to find menus, etc.). > > I am wondering if the unity packages have something to do with this. > > also, I tried to get synaptic package manager to work and it quits on starting. looks like something is missing there. > > -eric > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jude From eric.oyen at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 20:19:13 2011 From: eric.oyen at gmail.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:19:13 -0700 Subject: best package manager for screenreaders? In-Reply-To: <4EE3A919.9060703@gmail.com> References: <0E97149E-F426-4471-89CD-C8AC57EC1D22@gmail.com> <4EE3A919.9060703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00C39CF4-6521-4E13-8529-E673E041C81C@gmail.com> I was using a full version of Ubuntu (11.10) to complete the install. it seemed to work almost as well as vinux in most respects, but there were still missing areas. the accessibility menu had stuff for seeing and hearing and a few things for mouse and keyboard, but nothing for blindness (I had to run orca manually). I found aptitude a little hard to navigate an xterm. some commands were not being relayed into the term (they were being intercepted by the xterm frame). I haven't tried out emacsspeak yet and am interested in using a CLI environment as a management interface. with Ubuntu, the experience wasn't necessaryly all that bad, just a few areas needing some attention. -eric On Dec 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Burt Henry wrote: > which vinux version? Synaptic is the easiest full featured package manager for GUI use, but for most things it is much easier and faster to install from the command line, a terminal or console using commands like > sudo apt-get install packagename > if you have a package down-loaded use > sudo dpkg -i packagename > there are about 1 dozen commands I use frequently between apt and dpkg and another tool you can download called gdebi > sudo apt-get install gdebi > aptitude is also good uses very similar commands to apt. GUI aptitude is something I've never tried/probably not accessibly nice as you are indicating. > Synaptic takes a few sessions of getting used to, and takes a few seconds to wip orca in to saying things, or maybe lags a couple of seconds itself when using first letters to navigate in a list for instance. > Gotta run, but CLI is a time saver for most things. > > > On 12/10/2011 05:12 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> I am trying to figure out which package manager is best using orca. so far, my experience with "software center" has been lack luster at best. and aptitude has some refresh problems that make using a screen reader a real pain. >> >> anyone have a package manager that will allow listing of packages (by type or relevance) without all the clumsiness? >> >> I just spent 5 hours finalizing an installation. the new gnome desktop works ok, but it lacks some of the functionality that was in the older gnome 2.x (such easier to find menus, etc.). >> >> I am wondering if the unity packages have something to do with this. >> >> also, I tried to get synaptic package manager to work and it quits on starting. looks like something is missing there. >> >> -eric >> >> > > -- > *the above was probably written by- > Burt Henry > (registered Linux-user 521,886) > Contact Info: *email, GTalk&AIM- > (burt1iband at gmail.com) > *Follow Me on Twitter- > @BurtHenry > *and I’m on Facebook* > From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Dec 10 20:23:17 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:23:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: best package manager for screenreaders? In-Reply-To: <00C39CF4-6521-4E13-8529-E673E041C81C@gmail.com> References: <0E97149E-F426-4471-89CD-C8AC57EC1D22@gmail.com> <4EE3A919.9060703@gmail.com> <00C39CF4-6521-4E13-8529-E673E041C81C@gmail.com> Message-ID: It'll probably work better with gnome-terminal than xterm.On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, Eric Oyen wrote: > I was using a full version of Ubuntu (11.10) to complete the install. it seemed to work almost as well as vinux in most respects, but there were still missing areas. the accessibility menu had stuff for seeing and hearing and a few things for mouse and keyboard, but nothing for blindness (I had to run orca manually). > > I found aptitude a little hard to navigate an xterm. some commands were not being relayed into the term (they were being intercepted by the xterm frame). I haven't tried out emacsspeak yet and am interested in using a CLI environment as a management interface. > > with Ubuntu, the experience wasn't necessaryly all that bad, just a few areas needing some attention. > > -eric > > > > On Dec 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Burt Henry wrote: > > > which vinux version? Synaptic is the easiest full featured package manager for GUI use, but for most things it is much easier and faster to install from the command line, a terminal or console using commands like > > sudo apt-get install packagename > > if you have a package down-loaded use > > sudo dpkg -i packagename > > there are about 1 dozen commands I use frequently between apt and dpkg and another tool you can download called gdebi > > sudo apt-get install gdebi > > aptitude is also good uses very similar commands to apt. GUI aptitude is something I've never tried/probably not accessibly nice as you are indicating. > > Synaptic takes a few sessions of getting used to, and takes a few seconds to wip orca in to saying things, or maybe lags a couple of seconds itself when using first letters to navigate in a list for instance. > > Gotta run, but CLI is a time saver for most things. > > > > > > On 12/10/2011 05:12 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> I am trying to figure out which package manager is best using orca. so far, my experience with "software center" has been lack luster at best. and aptitude has some refresh problems that make using a screen reader a real pain. > >> > >> anyone have a package manager that will allow listing of packages (by type or relevance) without all the clumsiness? > >> > >> I just spent 5 hours finalizing an installation. the new gnome desktop works ok, but it lacks some of the functionality that was in the older gnome 2.x (such easier to find menus, etc.). > >> > >> I am wondering if the unity packages have something to do with this. > >> > >> also, I tried to get synaptic package manager to work and it quits on starting. looks like something is missing there. > >> > >> -eric > >> > >> > > > > -- > > *the above was probably written by- > > Burt Henry > > (registered Linux-user 521,886) > > Contact Info: *email, GTalk&AIM- > > (burt1iband at gmail.com) > > *Follow Me on Twitter- > > @BurtHenry > > *and I?m on Facebook* > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jude From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 21:49:34 2011 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:49:34 -0800 Subject: draft for Friends of GNOME campaign In-Reply-To: <3A6717EF-64C9-486D-882F-D5C3DD796E77@gmail.com> References: <10feaedade092d219324e244557789ca.squirrel@secure.motives.com> <4ED3DF7C.4090407@gnome.org> <4EE00139.1030801@ubuntu.com> <4EE04C7A.4050202@gmail.com> <3A6717EF-64C9-486D-882F-D5C3DD796E77@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EE3D3EE.8010800@gmail.com> Hello, Eric. I'm sorry for my delay in replying. I am sorry to hear about your sight loss. I barely have any vision...just enough to use a screen magnifier when my face is an inch or less away from the screen. I am learning to use Orca, and I want to learn to use Speakup in the console as I do not know if my vision will last, so I am halfway dependent on screen readers at this point. I am also a recipient of VR services here in California, and I am pursuing a career in the IT industry. I would say that I have found Ubuntu 11.10 to be pretty accessible. I am really excited about Ubuntu 12.04 as I am hoping for a lot of improved accessibility features. I can say the same for GNOME, too. I fell in love with that desktop when I first started using Ubuntu, and I am really looking forward to seeing accessibility improvements in GNOME 3. I'll wrap this up. I just did not want to leave your reply without a response. I hope that all is well, and (although I am no expert) if I can be of any help with anything, please feel free to write me off-list. On 12/08/2011 12:59 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > thanks for the suggestion of some input. > > I won't make this a testimonyl as there are still problems with gnome 3. > > the older gnome 2.x works well with orca and that is still used in vinuxproject.org. any attempt for me to use gnome 3 has resulted in inconsistent results (with the end result that some of the screen elements are invisible to me). > > as of this writing, I am using vinux 3.01 (based on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS) as that is the most reliable (stable) version. making such radical changes to gnome without considering that may break accessibility was a poor move on the part of the gnome project devs. I know that there is a new project called unity desktop (that is supposed to look a lot like the OS X cocoa interface), but it is so new that it doesn't entirely work with orca (which I depend on totally as I am totally blind). > > anyway, all that being said, I still would prefer using either OS X (apple with voiceover) or ORCA (in vinux) more than I would any version of windows (I still use that on occasion with NVDA). unfortunately, I don't have the income necessary to upgrade my hardware to some windows 7 compliance nor would I have any spare income for the $1,000+ pricetag for windows accessibility (first year SMA + initial cost of JAWS for $850). > > up until this last year, I was able to function as a system administrator with low vision. 15 months ago I finally lost all eyesight and have had to request VR services in order to get retrained to better operate in an IT environment. so far, I am still waiting for the state of Arizona to get on with it. > > -eric > > On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > >> Hello, Michael, all. >> >> As concerning this topic, it was suggested to me on the gnome-accessibility mailing list that a Testimonials page would be beneficial in allowing users to share their stories about how assistive technologies such as Orca as well as other applications have improved their lives and have made them more productive in a Linux environment as a way to promote open source technologies and free desktops. >> >> I have begun to develop a testimonials page [1], and I would also like to request the aid of other users in providing (freely) their experiences with these technologies. >> >> I want to add that I am not a paid professional of any sort. I am simply a visually impaired user who wants to see accessibility-related technologies flourish in an open source environment. I was a Windows user until 2007 when I completely switched to Linux. I could not afford the prices of commercially available assistive technologies, nor could I afford to pay for upgrades for these technologies. I was running an updated Windows system with old and outdated assistive technology software, which made things difficult. I, to this day, still am having difficulty with finding work due to my visual disability, but I use my computer system to learn new skills and to keep myself informed (as I am a Computer Information Systems student, due to graduate after this semester). I can honestly say that I would have not been able to come this far if not for open source technologies. Though I am sure that someone could probably do a much better job on the page listed in the footnote of this message, this is (as best as I am able to do it) my small contribution to the big picture. >> >> If anyone has a brief story or testimonial which you would like added to the page, please feel free to write to me off-list (or on-list if it is alright to do so). It was suggested that users provide a picture of themselves along with their testimonials, but this is not absolutely mandatory. >> >> Orca and screen magnification are absolutely vital to me as a blind user. Without these technologies available, I would be at a tremendous loss, and I definitely would not be able to pursue a career in the field which I love so much--computer science/IT. >> >> Thanks for any input, and thanks for posting this here, Michael. >> >> [1] Accessibility Testimonials: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Testimonials >> >> On 12/07/2011 04:13 PM, Michael Hall wrote: >>> Forwarding this on to the Ubuntu accessibility team, and they might have >>> some good real-life stories to share as well. >>> >>> Michael Hall >>> mhall119 at ubuntu.com >>> >>> >>> On 12/06/2011 12:50 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: >>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Dave Neary>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made >>>> measurably better because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases >>>> work wonders. >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree with Dave that a quote or a case study would make it more real. >>>> People are much more willing to donate to save a particular kid ("Joey") >>>> who is sick than they are to donate to an organization that helps >>>> vaccinate 1000s of kids. >>>> >>>> Also, I think we should end with a call to action. What do we want them >>>> to do? ex: "Donate $25 now and help us reach another person." >>>> >>>> Stormy >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From cdh at gnu.org Sun Dec 11 14:21:52 2011 From: cdh at gnu.org (Christian Hofstader) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:21:52 -0500 Subject: People Discussing Vision Issues In-Reply-To: <4EE3D3EE.8010800@gmail.com> References: <10feaedade092d219324e244557789ca.squirrel@secure.motives.com> <4ED3DF7C.4090407@gnome.org> <4EE00139.1030801@ubuntu.com> <4EE04C7A.4050202@gmail.com> <3A6717EF-64C9-486D-882F-D5C3DD796E77@gmail.com> <4EE3D3EE.8010800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9029D4BA-5F28-4672-AA0A-20F2B161686D@gnu.org> Hi, This is off-topic for this list so please respond to me directly. I am Chris Hofstader. I am profoundly vision impaired and am the Director of Access Technology for FSF/GNU. I haven't done much lately for the project but I tend to work on communication between and among different groups doing free software accessibility. I just wanted to let you people with vision issues that I am here and that you can feel free to use me as a resource. If I don't know an answer, I do know where to find one that is usually mostly correct. So, feel free to write or call me as you see fit. Happy Hacking, cdh On Dec 10, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello, Eric. > > I'm sorry for my delay in replying. > > I am sorry to hear about your sight loss. I barely have any vision...just enough to use a screen magnifier when my face is an inch or less away from the screen. I am learning to use Orca, and I want to learn to use Speakup in the console as I do not know if my vision will last, so I am halfway dependent on screen readers at this point. > > I am also a recipient of VR services here in California, and I am pursuing a career in the IT industry. > > I would say that I have found Ubuntu 11.10 to be pretty accessible. I am really excited about Ubuntu 12.04 as I am hoping for a lot of improved accessibility features. I can say the same for GNOME, too. I fell in love with that desktop when I first started using Ubuntu, and I am really looking forward to seeing accessibility improvements in GNOME 3. > > I'll wrap this up. I just did not want to leave your reply without a response. > > I hope that all is well, and (although I am no expert) if I can be of any help with anything, please feel free to write me off-list. > > On 12/08/2011 12:59 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> thanks for the suggestion of some input. >> >> I won't make this a testimonyl as there are still problems with gnome 3. >> >> the older gnome 2.x works well with orca and that is still used in vinuxproject.org. any attempt for me to use gnome 3 has resulted in inconsistent results (with the end result that some of the screen elements are invisible to me). >> >> as of this writing, I am using vinux 3.01 (based on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS) as that is the most reliable (stable) version. making such radical changes to gnome without considering that may break accessibility was a poor move on the part of the gnome project devs. I know that there is a new project called unity desktop (that is supposed to look a lot like the OS X cocoa interface), but it is so new that it doesn't entirely work with orca (which I depend on totally as I am totally blind). >> >> anyway, all that being said, I still would prefer using either OS X (apple with voiceover) or ORCA (in vinux) more than I would any version of windows (I still use that on occasion with NVDA). unfortunately, I don't have the income necessary to upgrade my hardware to some windows 7 compliance nor would I have any spare income for the $1,000+ pricetag for windows accessibility (first year SMA + initial cost of JAWS for $850). >> >> up until this last year, I was able to function as a system administrator with low vision. 15 months ago I finally lost all eyesight and have had to request VR services in order to get retrained to better operate in an IT environment. so far, I am still waiting for the state of Arizona to get on with it. >> >> -eric >> >> On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >> >>> Hello, Michael, all. >>> >>> As concerning this topic, it was suggested to me on the gnome-accessibility mailing list that a Testimonials page would be beneficial in allowing users to share their stories about how assistive technologies such as Orca as well as other applications have improved their lives and have made them more productive in a Linux environment as a way to promote open source technologies and free desktops. >>> >>> I have begun to develop a testimonials page [1], and I would also like to request the aid of other users in providing (freely) their experiences with these technologies. >>> >>> I want to add that I am not a paid professional of any sort. I am simply a visually impaired user who wants to see accessibility-related technologies flourish in an open source environment. I was a Windows user until 2007 when I completely switched to Linux. I could not afford the prices of commercially available assistive technologies, nor could I afford to pay for upgrades for these technologies. I was running an updated Windows system with old and outdated assistive technology software, which made things difficult. I, to this day, still am having difficulty with finding work due to my visual disability, but I use my computer system to learn new skills and to keep myself informed (as I am a Computer Information Systems student, due to graduate after this semester). I can honestly say that I would have not been able to come this far if not for open source technologies. Though I am sure that someone could probably do a much better job on the page listed in the footnote of this message, this is (as best as I am able to do it) my small contribution to the big picture. >>> >>> If anyone has a brief story or testimonial which you would like added to the page, please feel free to write to me off-list (or on-list if it is alright to do so). It was suggested that users provide a picture of themselves along with their testimonials, but this is not absolutely mandatory. >>> >>> Orca and screen magnification are absolutely vital to me as a blind user. Without these technologies available, I would be at a tremendous loss, and I definitely would not be able to pursue a career in the field which I love so much--computer science/IT. >>> >>> Thanks for any input, and thanks for posting this here, Michael. >>> >>> [1] Accessibility Testimonials: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Testimonials >>> >>> On 12/07/2011 04:13 PM, Michael Hall wrote: >>>> Forwarding this on to the Ubuntu accessibility team, and they might have >>>> some good real-life stories to share as well. >>>> >>>> Michael Hall >>>> mhall119 at ubuntu.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/06/2011 12:50 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Dave Neary>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made >>>>> measurably better because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases >>>>> work wonders. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I agree with Dave that a quote or a case study would make it more real. >>>>> People are much more willing to donate to save a particular kid ("Joey") >>>>> who is sick than they are to donate to an organization that helps >>>>> vaccinate 1000s of kids. >>>>> >>>>> Also, I think we should end with a call to action. What do we want them >>>>> to do? ex: "Donate $25 now and help us reach another person." >>>>> >>>>> Stormy >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 23:47:58 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:47:58 -0500 Subject: Changing Desktop in Ubuntu 11.10 Message-ID: <4EE5412E.1000803@gmail.com> Hi, People, Hammer Atilla, of the blind Ubuntuers' community, offered me the solution, below, for changing the Ubuntu 11.10 desktop session, eyes,free. This seems to work. The 'dbus' command, offered by Luke, has not yet worked for me. Maybe Hammer's offering should be placed in a wiki or faq site someplace? HTH, Dave Hunt From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Dec 12 06:22:47 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 07:22:47 +0100 Subject: Changing Desktop in Ubuntu 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4EE5412E.1000803@gmail.com> References: <4EE5412E.1000803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EE59DB7.7010707@pickup.hu> Hy Dave, Feel free you put with you worked final steps with a Wiki page, I am not have accessing yet any Wiki page. Of course if you suggest me a Wiki page with have public editing possibility, I welcome doing this. To any user possible doing a good working fallback session style desktop, need doing other steps, because for example the factory awailable GNOME main menue not possible accessing keyboard the third "System" menue awailable functions. Because not have better method yet, I deleted entire top panel, created a new panel, and added following applets before I not found jconti/gnome3 PPA and the GNOME3 ported indicator-applet packages: - clock - Notification area - Main menu applet If any user would like installing indicator-applet-complete GNOME3 ported package and want add the all indicator applet in the panel, to get good visual lookup not need adding I think the clock and notification area applet, but I am not full sure this, so this is need confirming a sighted or partialy sighted user. This changes resulted me an one column dropdowned main menue with are possible accessing all now missing importanter menu items (actual username related submenue with possible changing the status and launch system settings preference tool, shutdown, switch user, logout menu items). Have a disadwantage this method, if you press ALT+F1 keystroke, Orca does'nt spokening the first awailable menu item, because the first menu item is not focused automaticaly I think the GNOME Main Menu applet. If future hopefuly resolving developers following bug, this step doesn't need: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662913 Launchpad bugreport link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/846254 Because I added the "all indicators" applet my top panel, if I press Super+S keystroke, I see all installed indicators, similar with Natty. I very wait when Precise officialy awailable the GNOME3 ported indicator applets, but before this is happening, developers need resolving following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/724369 If I remember right, when an user installed the gnome-session-fallback package and first doing the session change, the ALT+F1 and ALT+F2 keybindings are disabled, so this keystrokes need assigning with proper functions in the GNOME Control Center Keyboard preference pane. Need going the keybindings page, choosing the "system" section and associate the proper commands with the ALT+F1 and ALT+F2 keybindings. I using now my testing Precise system this way with GNOME3 fallback session without any problems. The best desktop session switch method I think Luke suggested command, but I don't no why not working right the suggested command with I pasted my letter in Orca-list. Possible not a full elegant way session change method with editing the /var/lib/AccountsService/actual username related file and changing direct the session if have a better alternative, better put I think Luke working command a Wiki page, because this command doing session change on the fly if I understanding right Luke pasted letter part. The pasted letter part is following: "Ok, here is a command that should change your session to unity-2d, without you having to log out and stop lightdm. This should worok 100%. You need to know what your user ID is, not your user name your user ID number. To find this out, open a terminal and run: echo $UID Make a note of the number you hear, you will need it in the next command. To make the change, run this command: dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User$uid org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:ubuntu-2d Where $uid is your user ID number, mine is 1000. accessibility at login will certainly be fixed for precise, and may be fixed in oneiric as well, depending on how invasive the fix is. Hope this helps." Attila From pstowe at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 08:49:05 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 03:49:05 -0500 Subject: Changing Desktop in Ubuntu 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4EE59DB7.7010707@pickup.hu> References: <4EE5412E.1000803@gmail.com> <4EE59DB7.7010707@pickup.hu> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Dave, > > Feel free you put with you worked final steps with a Wiki page, I am not > have accessing yet any Wiki page. Of course if you suggest me a Wiki page > with have public editing possibility, I welcome doing this. > > > Attila > > Attila, Can you not use the Ubuntu Accessibility wiki pages ( http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility )? If you have a launchpad account it uses the same sign-on information. If you don't want to put it up, I'm more than happy to, though. Thanks, Penelope -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Dec 12 09:54:25 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:54:25 +0100 Subject: Changing Desktop in Ubuntu 11.10 In-Reply-To: References: <4EE5412E.1000803@gmail.com> <4EE59DB7.7010707@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4EE5CF51.3020900@pickup.hu> Hy Penelope, Thank You the tip, I of course have Launchpad account. If not a big request, can you possible doing this task? Unfortunately I haven't got enough experiences yet with proper viki page documents related formattings sintax, and don't would like doing extra works with documentation correctors. I will be reading the Wiki page related community documentation if I have more time, but now have lot of another works with I need finalizing before december 21th the company with I working. This wiki page is a wonderful possibility to share all A11y related informations and workarounds. I wrote a text with all I used modifications in GNOME3 fallback session, but possible need correcting my horrible english sentences with grammaticaly before you uploading this new article with proper wiki page, because my primary language is hungarian. :-):-) If you would like, feel free to shortest the documentation. Hopefuly this detailed text documentation help more users if would like using GNOME3 fallback session with a better A11y support. Attila -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: fallback.txt URL: From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 00:04:09 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:04:09 -0500 Subject: alt+shift+up in ubuntu 3d? Message-ID: <4EE69679.7070009@gmail.com> Hi, I am using Unity-3d on an Asus netbook. The system is updated with the packages in the Extra A11y package. When using 'alt+shift+up', to move up a column in a table on a web page, the focus seems to get moved to someplace not visible to Orca. Nothing will speak until I hit 'esc' or 'enter', at which time, I am switched to the application next in the 'alt+tab' stack. In my case, this is a terminal window. I looked on every page of the 'shortcuts' tab in Keyboard part of the gnome control center, and do not see this bound. What is this key combination supposed to do in Unity-3d, that might conflict with Orca's web page table navigation commands? Maybe this is just some odd interaction of Orca and Unity-3d? Thanks, Dave From alanbell at ubuntu.com Tue Dec 13 00:46:08 2011 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:46:08 +0000 Subject: alt+shift+up in ubuntu 3d? In-Reply-To: <4EE69679.7070009@gmail.com> References: <4EE69679.7070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EE6A050.9080206@ubuntu.com> On 13/12/11 00:04, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I am using Unity-3d on an Asus netbook. The system is updated with > the packages in the Extra A11y package. When using 'alt+shift+up', to > move up a column in a table on a web page, the focus seems to get > moved to someplace not visible to Orca. Nothing will speak until I > hit 'esc' or 'enter', at which time, I am switched to the application > next in the 'alt+tab' stack. In my case, this is a terminal window. > I looked on every page of the 'shortcuts' tab in Keyboard part of the > gnome control center, and do not see this bound. What is this key > combination supposed to do in Unity-3d, that might conflict with > Orca's web page table navigation commands? Maybe this is just some > odd interaction of Orca and Unity-3d? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave > > > > > Hi Dave, Yes, this does appear to be a compiz keybinding. It kind of zooms out all of the windows to a grid display, it seems to be similar to super+w (on further investigation it does all windows on one workspace, super+w does it across all workspaces). They are keyboard navigable and as a sighted user if I look really carefully I can just about make out which one has focus for the windows which were not maximised, for the maximised windows there is no indication of focus at all. In the compizconfig-settings-manager (ccsm) in the scale plugin on the bindings tab (and sadly I think ccsm is a bit broken for navigation) there is the key binding shift+alt+up for window picker. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From ka1cey at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 01:41:50 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:41:50 -0500 Subject: A Cry for Help--I broke Gedit "save-as" file chooser! Message-ID: <4EE9505E.4020205@gmail.com> Running Ubuntu 11.10 and using Gnome fallback position, though I'm not sure the desktop matters, I can no longer use the 'save-as' file picker in gedit. When I hit the 'save' button, the dialogue and gedit crash, leaving no file saved. This worked after install; I'm not sure what I changed. Any idea where to look? Thanks, Dave From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 14:50:45 2011 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:50:45 -0700 Subject: Unity folder question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EEB5AC5.5030806@gmail.com> On 12/04/2011 10:42 AM, Tom Masterson wrote: > Under gnome I always used to prefer items in a folder to be in list form > so I don't have to go left and right and work through muliple rows to > find a file. I have not found a way to do this in unity. Does this > ability exist and if so where do I find it? > > Tom > Tom, In the folder that you want to show as a list, press control 2. You can make this system wide by going to the edit menu and clicking on preferences. In the preferences window, you will find (in the view tab) a combo box labeled "show as." You can then expand that combo box and choose list. Hope this helps, Jeremy From jbuchanan at ubuntu.com Sun Dec 18 03:35:50 2011 From: jbuchanan at ubuntu.com (James Buchanan) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:35:50 -0500 Subject: A Cry for Help--I broke Gedit "save-as" file chooser! In-Reply-To: <4EE9505E.4020205@gmail.com> References: <4EE9505E.4020205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EED5F96.9050508@ubuntu.com> On 12/14/2011 08:41 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: > Running Ubuntu 11.10 and using Gnome fallback position, though I'm not > sure the desktop matters, I can no longer use the 'save-as' file > picker in gedit. When I hit the 'save' button, the dialogue and gedit > crash, leaving no file saved. This worked after install; I'm not sure > what I changed. Any idea where to look? > > > Thanks, > > > Dave Clearly the Linux gods are telling you to use Emacs. ;-) (I kid, I kid...) Can you reproduce this bug? Does it always happen when you try to save a file, or only sometimes? If you launch GEdit from a terminal and then get the crash, are there any error messages left in the terminal? There are a couple of bugs in Launchpad with crash-on-saving issues (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/832117 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/839760 -- though the latter is marked incomplete), but they all seem to concern crashes where the file is saved successfully despite the crash. Depending on what sort of error you're getting, it might be a good idea to file a new bug for this. James P.S. -- sorry for the repeat emails, Dave -- I forgot to select "reply list" on my first one. :-) From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 03:41:53 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:41:53 -0500 Subject: A Cry for Help--I broke Gedit "save-as" file chooser! In-Reply-To: <4EED5F96.9050508@ubuntu.com> References: <4EE9505E.4020205@gmail.com> <4EED5F96.9050508@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <65A55B74-9CFE-49AA-A75A-BE9079E37689@gmail.com> Hi, If, first, I open a file, in gedit, using the file picker, then save, using the picker (under a name different from the name used for open), the file is saved, and gedit remains working. For the remainder of the gnome session, 'save' options, using the picker, work correctly. If I do not use the 'open', first, the 'save-as' will not work. I have not yet launched gedit from a terminal, but, can do this, capturing the errors the dialogue throws. Thanks, Dave On Dec 17, 2011, at 10:35 PM, James Buchanan wrote: > On 12/14/2011 08:41 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: >> Running Ubuntu 11.10 and using Gnome fallback position, though I'm not sure the desktop matters, I can no longer use the 'save-as' file picker in gedit. When I hit the 'save' button, the dialogue and gedit crash, leaving no file saved. This worked after install; I'm not sure what I changed. Any idea where to look? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Dave > > Clearly the Linux gods are telling you to use Emacs. ;-) (I kid, I kid...) > > Can you reproduce this bug? Does it always happen when you try to save a file, or only sometimes? > > If you launch GEdit from a terminal and then get the crash, are there any error messages left in the terminal? > > There are a couple of bugs in Launchpad with crash-on-saving issues (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/832117 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/839760 -- though the latter is marked incomplete), but they all seem to concern crashes where the file is saved successfully despite the crash. Depending on what sort of error you're getting, it might be a good idea to file a new bug for this. > > James > > P.S. -- sorry for the repeat emails, Dave -- I forgot to select "reply list" on my first one. :-) > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 20:32:22 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:32:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: A Cry for Help--I broke Gedit "save-as" file chooser! In-Reply-To: <4EED5F96.9050508@ubuntu.com> References: <4EE9505E.4020205@gmail.com> <4EED5F96.9050508@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: Hi, all! I've done further testing, and logged the result to a text file, for your inspection. I open gedit, bang in some text, then try to save the text to a file, not yet created. After choosing where the text should be saved, using the dialogue, I hit the 'save' button. It appears, gedit tries to open the file that is not yet created, then crashes with a 'segfault'. Next, I 'touched' the file I want to make, and restarted gedit. I banged some text into the editor, and tried the 'save-as' operation, as before. This time, I was prompted whether to replace the file (this is cool), the file, though empty, is there. I say 'yes', and there's another 'seg-fault'. Hoping this helps someone, Dave Hunt On Sat, 17 Dec 2011, James Buchanan wrote: > On 12/14/2011 08:41 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: >> Running Ubuntu 11.10 and using Gnome fallback position, though I'm not sure >> the desktop matters, I can no longer use the 'save-as' file picker in >> gedit. When I hit the 'save' button, the dialogue and gedit crash, leaving >> no file saved. This worked after install; I'm not sure what I changed. >> Any idea where to look? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Dave > > Clearly the Linux gods are telling you to use Emacs. ;-) (I kid, I kid...) > > Can you reproduce this bug? Does it always happen when you try to save a > file, or only sometimes? > > If you launch GEdit from a terminal and then get the crash, are there any > error messages left in the terminal? > > There are a couple of bugs in Launchpad with crash-on-saving issues > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/832117 and > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/839760 -- though the > latter is marked incomplete), but they all seem to concern crashes where the > file is saved successfully despite the crash. Depending on what sort of error > you're getting, it might be a good idea to file a new bug for this. > > James > > P.S. -- sorry for the repeat emails, Dave -- I forgot to select "reply list" > on my first one. :-) > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -------------- next part -------------- Script started on Sun 18 Dec 2011 02:58:16 PM EST ]0;dave at confuser: ~dave at confuser:~$ gedit & [1] 3274 ]0;dave at confuser: ~dave at confuser:~$ (gedit:3274): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to retrieve the file info for `file:///home/dave/Documents/foobar.txt': Error stating file '/home/dave/Documents/foobar.txt': No such file or directory touch Documents/foobar.txt [1]+ Segmentation fault gedit ]0;dave at confuser: ~dave at confuser:~$ GEDgedit (gedit:3303): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_get_data: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed (gedit:3303): Gtk-WARNING **: /build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.2.0/./gtk/gtktreemodel.c:2419: bad row reference, proxy has no outstanding row references Segmentation fault ]0;dave at confuser: ~dave at confuser:~$ exit exit Script done on Sun 18 Dec 2011 03:04:47 PM EST From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 21:12:37 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:12:37 -0500 Subject: Evolution, from proposed, not accessible with Orca in 11.10 Message-ID: <4EEFA8C5.5080400@gmail.com> Hi, My Evolution mail package updated from the proposed updates. I did some brief experimentation, and found that neither the message list, nor the message view pane is accessible, using Orca screen reader. There seems to be no cursor on which Orca can focus. Toggling the 'f7' key does not change this behavior, as it used to do. If I press the 'enter' key, anywhere in the pane, a message pane seems to be open, but, nothing is readable, with flat review or the arrow keys. Evolution isn't my mail reader of choice, but, I post this as a warning to those needing accessibility, to uncheck the Evolution updates in Update Manager, if you use this program, or, you may find yourself unable to read your mail, contacts, and/or calendars. Best, Dave From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 01:47:15 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:47:15 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [orca-list] Announcing Orca v3.3.3 In-Reply-To: <2c3b7abf1b10c34ad7207d3829d88742@igalia.com> References: <2c3b7abf1b10c34ad7207d3829d88742@igalia.com> Message-ID: <4EEFE923.20200@gmail.com> Hi, Do these get packaged and added to the 'proposed' repository? -Dave H. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [orca-list] Announcing Orca v3.3.3 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:26:24 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs To: CC: orca-list at gnome.org =============== * What is Orca? =============== Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable combinations of speech and refreshable braille. You can read more about Orca at http://live.gnome.org/Orca. =================================== * What's Changed in 3.3.3? =================================== General * Fix for bug 665769 - Preferences not saved or restored correctly due to comparing unicode and utf-8 strings * Several fixes to help Orca better cope with dead and vanishing accessible objects * Fix for bug 666416 - Leading ellipsis cause incorrect speech output * Fix for bug 666060 - Orca does not always speak guessed form field labels when structural navigation is used * Fix for bug 665288 - Orca's script manager cannot adequately handle multiple "unknown" applications which embed content from other toolkits * Fix for bug 665191 - Orca fails to use the correct toolkit script for "unknown" applications Keybindings * Fix for bug 658122 - Caps_Lock should not be toggled when Orca commands are used in laptop layout * Fix for bug 665804 - Problems binding and rebinding commands with Caps_Lock and Shift Flat Review * Fix for bug 664466 - Orca's flat review cannot access the top line of gnome-terminal console * Work around for bug 665522 - Flat Review broken in Gecko apps with AT-SPI2 WebKitGtk * Implement label inference (aka "label guess") functionality * Add support for speech presentation of embedded object characters * Fix for Bug 665586 - Orca does not present the selected menu / menu item for Dojo widgets * Fix for bug 665614 - Orca does not present selection changes in radio button groups when the arrow keys are used * Fix for bug 664396 - List containing links is not brailled properly * Add LIST_ITEM to the roles treated as widgets in onFocus() * Fix for Orca speaking text table cell role and selection state * Adjust getObjectsFromEOCs to deal with unexpected accessible hyperlink indices * Fix for bug 665223 - WebKitGtk-based application scripts should be consolidated Cruft Removal * Fix for bug 665216 - Remove Orca's support for Gecko-based Yelp v2 * Fix for bug 664651 - Remove the legacy magnification code New and updated translations (THANKS EVERYONE!!!): de German Gabor Karsay el Greek Simos Xenitellis Vagelis Mamalakis es Spanish Daniel Mustieles fr French Bruno Brouard Laurent Coudeur Julien Hardelin lv Latvian Peteris Krisjanis nb Norwegian bokmål Kjartan Maraas sl Slovenian Matej Urbančič sv Swedish Daniel Nylander te Telugu Praveen Illa ====================== * Where can I get it ? ====================== Orca 3.3.3: * http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.3/orca-3.3.3.tar.xz Enjoy! -- The Orca Team _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list at gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka1cey at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 03:38:34 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:38:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mumble Servers? Message-ID: Hi, Thanks to the qt accessibility support, offered in Ubuntu 11.10, I can use the mumble and teamtalk clients. If you know of a mumble server I can try, please advise. I got through the setup wizard and, maybe, connected to one of the public servers, but not sure. Thanks, Dave H. From alanbell at ubuntu.com Thu Dec 22 09:17:30 2011 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:17:30 +0000 Subject: Mumble Servers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EF2F5AA.4030109@ubuntu.com> On 22/12/11 03:38, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > > Thanks to the qt accessibility support, offered in Ubuntu 11.10, I can > use the mumble and teamtalk clients. If you know of a mumble server I > can try, please advise. I got through the setup wizard and, maybe, > connected to one of the public servers, but not sure. > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave H. > > > > > mumble.libertus.co.uk is one I run, but there usually isn't anyone on it. Maybe we could schedule a general team audio meetup on that some time? Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From ka1cey at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 16:08:31 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:08:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mumble Servers? In-Reply-To: <4EF2F5AA.4030109@ubuntu.com> References: <4EF2F5AA.4030109@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: I think a team meeting on the server is a good idea. Let's come back to this in the new year. Cheers, Dave On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Alan Bell wrote: >> > mumble.libertus.co.uk is one I run, but there usually isn't anyone on it. > Maybe we could schedule a general team audio meetup on that some time? From alanbell at ubuntu.com Fri Dec 23 17:14:30 2011 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:14:30 +0000 Subject: Mumble Servers? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2F5AA.4030109@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <4EF4B6F6.3040208@ubuntu.com> On 22/12/11 16:08, Dave Hunt wrote: > I think a team meeting on the server is a good idea. Let's come back > to this in the new year. > yup, certainly will. have a good holiday season all Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From petra at access-for-all.ch Wed Dec 28 19:48:46 2011 From: petra at access-for-all.ch (Petra Ritter) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:48:46 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 10.10 Questions Message-ID: <4EFB729E.6090209@access-for-all.ch> Hi, I have a few questions about the Panel with the control for the sound Volume, the time, the control for the network settings and the Calender. For sighted people is this panel in the right top corner of the screen. 1th How I cann reach this panel with the keybord? 2th It seem that Orca don't speak in this panel is this true? I aask because I have installed Ubuntu in vmware Player 4.0.1. 3th If this is a general problem how I can get rid of it? Best regards Petra Ritter From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 23:50:16 2011 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:50:16 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu 10.10 Questions In-Reply-To: <4EFB729E.6090209@access-for-all.ch> References: <4EFB729E.6090209@access-for-all.ch> Message-ID: <4EFBAB38.6010603@gmail.com> Just curious, but are you really talking about Ubuntu 10.10 or do you mean Ubuntu 11.10? In Ubuntu 10.10 you should be able to get to the panel with the applets you're talking about by using control+alt+tab. Ubuntu 11.10 uses Unity, and you should be running Unity 2D or Unity 3D depending on how you installed Ubuntu 11.10. You can get to the applets you're talking about by hitting the F10 key on the desktop, for example, and then arrowing over to them. On 28/12/11 13:48, Petra Ritter wrote: > Hi, > > I have a few questions about the Panel with the control for the sound > Volume, the time, the control for the network settings and the Calender. > For sighted people is this panel in the right top corner of the screen. > > 1th How I cann reach this panel with the keybord? > 2th It seem that Orca don't speak in this panel is this true? I aask > because I have installed Ubuntu in vmware Player 4.0.1. > 3th If this is a general problem how I can get rid of it? > > Best regards > > > Petra Ritter > > > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From gErvin at cableone.net Fri Dec 30 04:40:20 2011 From: gErvin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:40:20 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 on a USB drive Message-ID: <34BF43876D894B7DAFC4B9FDC039D338@your2c061f0461> Hi, I used the Universal USB installer for Ubuntu 11.10. I haven't booted to it yet. Seems like the commands to boot to Orca were F5, then press #3, and press enter twice. Is this still the case, or did I get it wrong? Also, I know it has been asked recently, but I looked in my past messages and haven't found it yet, but how do I drop back to Unity 2D? Thanks. Glenn From ka1cey at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 04:45:50 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:45:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 on a USB drive In-Reply-To: <34BF43876D894B7DAFC4B9FDC039D338@your2c061f0461> References: <34BF43876D894B7DAFC4B9FDC039D338@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: If you're looking to boot Ubuntu 11.10 with the blindness profile, hit 'ctrl+s' when you hear the login bongo drums. Orca will start, after the music. If it does not, (can happen), run orca, manually, from the 'run' dialogue, accessible with 'alt+f2'. The live session, and the resulting installed system, will run in Unity-2d. On Thu, 29 Dec 2011, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I used the Universal USB installer for Ubuntu 11.10. > I haven't booted to it yet. > Seems like the commands to boot to Orca were F5, then press #3, and press > enter twice. > Is this still the case, or did I get it wrong? > Also, I know it has been asked recently, but I looked in my past messages > and haven't found it yet, but how do I drop back to Unity 2D? > Thanks. > Glenn > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From chaltain at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 17:31:57 2011 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:31:57 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 on a USB drive In-Reply-To: <34BF43876D894B7DAFC4B9FDC039D338@your2c061f0461> References: <34BF43876D894B7DAFC4B9FDC039D338@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: <4EFDF58D.6030900@gmail.com> There have been two methods discussed on the Orca list recently and on other lists in the past. Here's the first method: Editing /var/lib/AccountsService/users/username (/var/lib/AccountsService/users/andy for example) is the easiest option. To do this, do the following. 1. Sign in as an administrator with sudoer rights. 2. Drop to a terminal window. 3. type the following command replacing {username} with the username to change the session for. Sudo gedit /var/lib/AccountsService/users/{username} Password for username: *** In my case, the following file appeared: --start file-- [user] X11-session = gnome-fallback --end file-- 4. Change the line X11-session=[desktop name] to read: X11-sessiion=unity-2d 5. Close and save the file. 6. Sign out and sign in again. Some people have said the above method works all of the time while others have said that you need to shutdown your desktop for this to work since the desktop rewrites this file on closing. Here's another method that's been proposed, and this one claims to work whether your desktop is running or not. Ok, here is a command that should change your session to unity-2d, without you having to log out and stop lightdm. This should worok 100%. You need to know what your user ID is, not your user name your user ID number. To find this out, open a terminal and run: echo $UID Make a note of the number you hear, you will need it in the next command. To make the change, run this command: dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User$uid org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:ubuntu-2d Where $uid is your user ID number, mine is 1000. I've always installed Ubuntu 11.10 with Orca, so I've never had to do this myself. I'm just reporting what I've seen documented on other lists. On 29/12/11 22:40, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I used the Universal USB installer for Ubuntu 11.10. > I haven't booted to it yet. > Seems like the commands to boot to Orca were F5, then press #3, and press > enter twice. > Is this still the case, or did I get it wrong? > Also, I know it has been asked recently, but I looked in my past messages > and haven't found it yet, but how do I drop back to Unity 2D? > Thanks. > Glenn > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From ka1cey at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 18:52:03 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:52:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 on a USB drive In-Reply-To: <4EFDF58D.6030900@gmail.com> References: <34BF43876D894B7DAFC4B9FDC039D338@your2c061f0461> <4EFDF58D.6030900@gmail.com> Message-ID: I find the method in which user edits '/var/lib/AccountsService/users/user' to be the most reliable, and eyes-free way to change the default desktop setting in Ubuntu 11.10 systems. After editing the file, I restart my system; the file has never been over-written by a shutdown and restart. Maybe it does, when you log out, instead? When the login manager gets accessibility, we should be able to do this in the gui. Cheers, Dave On Fri, 30 Dec 2011, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > There have been two methods discussed on the Orca list recently and on > other lists in the past. Here's the first method: > > Editing /var/lib/AccountsService/users/username > (/var/lib/AccountsService/users/andy for example) is the easiest option. To > do this, do the following. > > 1. Sign in as an administrator with sudoer rights. > 2. Drop to a terminal window. > 3. type the following command replacing {username} with the username to > change the session for. > Sudo gedit /var/lib/AccountsService/users/{username} > Password for username: *** > In my case, the following file appeared: > > --start file-- > [user] > X11-session = gnome-fallback > --end file-- > > 4. Change the line X11-session=[desktop name] to read: > X11-sessiion=unity-2d > > 5. Close and save the file. > 6. Sign out and sign in again. > > Some people have said the above method works all of the time while > others have said that you need to shutdown your desktop for this to work > since the desktop rewrites this file on closing. > > Here's another method that's been proposed, and this one claims to work > whether your desktop is running or not. > > Ok, here is a command that should change your session to unity-2d, without > you having to log out and stop lightdm. This should worok 100%. > > You need to know what your user ID is, not your user name your user ID > number. To find this out, open a terminal and run: > > echo $UID > > Make a note of the number you hear, you will need it in the next command. To > make the change, run this command: > > dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 > --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User$uid > org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:ubuntu-2d > > Where $uid is your user ID number, mine is 1000. > > I've always installed Ubuntu 11.10 with Orca, so I've never had to do > this myself. I'm just reporting what I've seen documented on other lists. > > On 29/12/11 22:40, Lenny wrote: >> Hi, >> I used the Universal USB installer for Ubuntu 11.10. >> I haven't booted to it yet. >> Seems like the commands to boot to Orca were F5, then press #3, and press >> enter twice. >> Is this still the case, or did I get it wrong? >> Also, I know it has been asked recently, but I looked in my past messages >> and haven't found it yet, but how do I drop back to Unity 2D? >> Thanks. >> Glenn >> >> > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at gmail.com > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From gErvin at cableone.net Sat Dec 31 20:14:42 2011 From: gErvin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:14:42 -0600 Subject: Installing Vinux Message-ID: <630B61457B0946C09F9A9E071FCEA544@your2c061f0461> Hi, I thought I'd give Vinux a try using the DVD version of the Ubuntu 11.04 Ubuntu. I installed it with the latest version of Universal USB pendrive installer onto a 4GB thumbdrive. After it installed, I only get a shell like screen that has a prompt reading "boot:". Is there anything I can do with this, or do I need to reinstall it? Thanks for any help. Glenn From chaltain at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 22:53:15 2011 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:53:15 -0600 Subject: Installing Vinux In-Reply-To: <630B61457B0946C09F9A9E071FCEA544@your2c061f0461> References: <630B61457B0946C09F9A9E071FCEA544@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: <4EFF925B.70103@gmail.com> I'd suggest taking this question to the Vinux support list. The details for the list are as follows: To post to this group, send email to vinux-support at googlegroups.com. To subscribe to this group, send email to vinux-support+subscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support?hl=en On 31/12/11 14:14, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I thought I'd give Vinux a try using the DVD version of the Ubuntu 11.04 > Ubuntu. > I installed it with the latest version of Universal USB pendrive installer > onto a 4GB thumbdrive. > After it installed, I only get a shell like screen that has a prompt reading > "boot:". > Is there anything I can do with this, or do I need to reinstall it? > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From robdcraw at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 04:09:31 2011 From: robdcraw at gmail.com (Robert D. Crawford) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 04:09:31 -0000 Subject: [VINUX-SUPPORT] A Cry for Help--I broke Gedit "save-as" file chooser! In-Reply-To: <4EE9505E.4020205@gmail.com> (Dave Hunt's message of "Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:41:50 -0500") References: <4EE9505E.4020205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87pqfqv5l6.fsf@gmail.com> Hey Dave, If the same dialog works in other GNOME applications I would probably try to remove and re-install gedit. Sometimes it makes more sense to take 2 minutes to start over than 2 hours to track the problem. Best regards, rdc Dave Hunt writes: > Running Ubuntu 11.10 and using Gnome fallback position, though I'm not > sure the desktop matters, I can no longer use the 'save-as' file > picker in gedit. When I hit the 'save' button, the dialogue and gedit > crash, leaving no file saved. This worked after install; I'm not sure > what I changed. Any idea where to look? > > Thanks, > > Dave -- Robert D. 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