From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Jan 8 11:53:52 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 12:53:52 +0100 Subject: Two problem with Natty Ubiquity installer dialog screen Message-ID: <4D285050.4030704@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, I see a problem with Natty Ubiquity installer dialog related: When the installer asks the user full name, machine name, and the real username, Orca not spokening the control labels, only the role types (edit box) and the filled values if have. If I would like reporting this bugs, I need reporting this bug with gnome-orca package (I think Ubuntu packaged Orca package have an Ubiquity script), or Ubiquity package? In oldest Lucid packaged Ubiquity dialog this problem is not present, Orca spokening I think all control labels. Attila From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Jan 10 16:08:36 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:08:36 -0600 Subject: Two problem with Natty Ubiquity installer dialog screen In-Reply-To: <4D285050.4030704@pickup.hu> References: <4D285050.4030704@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20110110160836.GA5046@localhost> On Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 05:53:52AM CST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Luke, I see a problem with Natty Ubiquity installer dialog related: > When the installer asks the user full name, machine name, and the > real username, Orca not spokening the control labels, only the role > types (edit box) and the filled values if have. > If I would like reporting this bugs, I need reporting this bug with > gnome-orca package (I think Ubuntu packaged Orca package have an > Ubiquity script), or Ubiquity package? > In oldest Lucid packaged Ubiquity dialog this problem is not > present, Orca spokening I think all control labels. Thanks for the report. I think ubiquity is undergoing a rather big design change, so it would actually be good to get rid of the ubiquity script in orca completely if possible. I will try to look at this as soon as I can, but I am away from home this week, and testing ubiquity will not be as easy to do until I get home and can use a spare machine for testing. Luke From pstowe at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 18:25:49 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:25:49 -0500 Subject: Next Meeting: January 19, 2011 at 21:00 UTC Message-ID: Hi, Sorry for the lack of December meeting. I've been ill and kinda lost a month in there. We'll be having our next meeting on January 19, 2011 at 21:00 UTC in #ubuntu-accessibility I'd like do have some progress reports on things from our blueprints and I'm also hoping that we can hear about some of the new things being worked on in the Ubuntu Accessibility community. Thanks, Penelope From phillw at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 11 20:27:28 2011 From: phillw at ubuntu.com (Phill Whiteside) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:27:28 +0000 Subject: Next Meeting: January 19, 2011 at 21:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hiyas, sorry to hear of you being ill, I hope you are better now. Having myself and the staff coming down with both swine flu and norovirus has also been testing. Myself and Alan Bell have discussed the best way to incorporate the speechcontrol team as a focus group under the accessibility banner, I've also asked UBT about an accessibility Focus Group, it is positive feedback. So I hope it is also agreed at the next meeting, it will raise the profile of accessibility. Regards, Phill. On 10 January 2011 18:25, Penelope Stowe wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry for the lack of December meeting. I've been ill and kinda lost a > month in there. > > We'll be having our next meeting on January 19, 2011 at 21:00 UTC in > #ubuntu-accessibility > > I'd like do have some progress reports on things from our blueprints > and I'm also hoping that we can hear about some of the new things > being worked on in the Ubuntu Accessibility community. > > Thanks, > Penelope > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel at lmail.us Tue Jan 18 06:39:39 2011 From: daniel at lmail.us (Daniel Lewis) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:39:39 -0600 Subject: Medical Compliance Program Message-ID: <4D3535AB.9020902@lmail.us> Hello everyone.. I have an idea, but I need help in executing it. In essance, life is complicated. Things happen. Yet there are still pills to take, glucose to check and blood pressure to record. If you are like me, and have umpteen pills to take, how do you manage it? How will you be sure that you've take all your pills. What I'd like is a medical compliance program, something that you can punch your medical information into including the pills you take, and it'll remind you and log when you take them and when you to get refills. It should have the ability to track your glucose (and blood pressure) with the ability to export your information to a PDF and print. I know this is not the job of accessability, but it is in the ballfield of it. This would allow computers(and ubuntu) to greatly help in patient care, and communication, because if your like me. You forget to tell your doctor complaints often because you can't remember them. If I could get some intreast I will be more than willing to help manage this project but unfortunatly I don't have the programming skills to back it up... Please let me know what you think. Thanks Daniel L, CensoredBiscuit on Freenode. Daniel at lmail.us From pstowe at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 22:51:03 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:51:03 -0500 Subject: Next Meeting: January 19, 2011 at 21:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you to everyone who attended for a great meeting! Meeting Minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2011-01-19 Meeting Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20110119 Our next meeting will be February 16, 2011 at 21:00 UTC Thanks! Penelope From phillw at ubuntu.com Sat Jan 22 04:31:18 2011 From: phillw at ubuntu.com (Phill Whiteside) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:31:18 +0000 Subject: UBT Message-ID: Hiyas, I know I constantly go on about Ubuntu Beginners Team, that is because I firmly believe in its ethos of "helping those who wish to help others". This little quote from their revised section has really made me smile. Mentors The second type is an UBT Mentor. Mentors will have one or more specific areas of expertise. They will mentor people who wish to become members of other Ubuntu teams such as bug-control, accessibility or lubuntu. Mentors must have received recommendations from other Ubuntu teams related to their area(s) of expertise. This is done to ensure a level of quality.[1] The acceptance of both Lubuntu and accessibilty (who we already share people with) into the UBT project is what I have been aiming for and speaks volumes for the teams to be recognised for the work that they do and our collective ability to secondment and train a padawan into our teams (which we already do). We also share documentaion / wiki people and admin people. As Manuela put into words in her poem[2], we are a family. I am so, so pleased for all of our teams, together we are stronger. Regards, Phill. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam [2] http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/why-it-matters/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k.dejong at undifined.nl Sun Jan 23 02:52:57 2011 From: k.dejong at undifined.nl (K.de Jong) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 03:52:57 +0100 Subject: [Speechcontrolteam] UBT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2011/1/22 Phill Whiteside : > Hiyas, > > I know I constantly go on about Ubuntu Beginners Team, that is because I > firmly believe in its ethos of "helping those who wish to help others". This > little quote from their revised section has really made me smile. > > Mentors The second type is an UBT Mentor. Mentors will have one or more > specific areas of expertise. They will mentor people who wish to become > members of other Ubuntu teams such as bug-control, accessibility or lubuntu. > Mentors must have received recommendations from other Ubuntu teams related > to their area(s) of expertise. This is done to ensure a level of quality.[1] > > The acceptance of both Lubuntu and accessibilty (who we already share people > with) into the UBT project is what I have been aiming for and speaks volumes > for the teams to be recognised for the work that they do and our collective > ability to secondment and train a padawan into our teams (which we already > do). We also share documentaion / wiki people and admin people. As Manuela > put into words in her poem[2], we are a family. I am so, so pleased for all > of our teams, together we are stronger. > > Regards, > Phill. > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam > [2] http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/why-it-matters/ > > -- > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~speechcontrolteam > Post to     : speechcontrolteam at lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~speechcontrolteam > More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > Thanks Phill, You know I fully support the mentoring program, next to that I really like the inter-team cooperation, it brings a whole jar of other people that could not or would not help the other teams otherwise. Their reasons may vary and is all good, this solves such and that is great. :) -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Jan 23 07:31:12 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:31:12 +0100 Subject: Future Unity 2D accessibility question Message-ID: <4D3BD940.3000201@pickup.hu> Hy, Now I read following: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/2d-unity-to-be-available-as-option-in.html In Natty this is an optional possibility I think. When will be default this possibility? In 11.10? The problem is Unity 2D using QT toolkit with is now not accessible. Luke, what can possible doing this situation? If a visual impaired user machine Compiz works only after installing proprietary graphics driver, before this task impossible to using Ubuntu because QT the toolkit? Attila From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Jan 24 02:35:45 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:35:45 +1100 Subject: Future Unity 2D accessibility question In-Reply-To: <4D3BD940.3000201@pickup.hu> References: <4D3BD940.3000201@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20110124023545.GA2793@strigy.yelavich.home> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 06:31:12PM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Now I read following: > http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/2d-unity-to-be-available-as-option-in.html > In Natty this is an optional possibility I think. When will be > default this possibility? In 11.10? > The problem is Unity 2D using QT toolkit with is now not accessible. > Luke, what can possible doing this situation? If a visual impaired > user machine Compiz works only after installing proprietary graphics > driver, before this task impossible to using Ubuntu because QT the > toolkit? Unity 2D is only going to be used on ARM based hardware that has no GPu acceleration in natty, or so I have been told. This will likely become the fallback for Natty+1 and beyond, and since there is the consideration of QT apps in Ubuntu for Natty+1 as well, accessibility issues are already being considered. Luke From pstowe at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 00:14:22 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:14:22 -0500 Subject: Testing A11y Message-ID: Rather than continue to take over Bill's thread, I figured I'd start a new one. I'm interested in what works for Gnome and distros other than Ubuntu for testing a11y. We're really trying to figure out how to make it work, especially with all the new changes coming in, but many of us can't break our systems for a11y-related reasons (and don't have an extra machine) and we've had trouble getting people without impairments to do testing because they're worried they don't really understand what they're doing. I figure we can't be the only distro where this issue comes up and I'm curious how other distros and a11y groups deal with it. Thanks! Penelope From jdashiel at shellworld.net Tue Jan 25 01:33:32 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:33:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Testing A11y In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There might be another relatively inexpensive alternative. Drive sleds. Each sled holds a different disk drive. You have one drive sled holder installed in the computer and when you want to switch operating systems, you just find the right drive sled insert lock in with the key and boot the machine into the operating system on that hard drive. From what I've been told drive sleds can be purchased for about $40.00 each and the price of hard drives has declined. I now use drive sleds for IDE disks but don't know if ones are available for sata but think those are available. On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, Penelope Stowe wrote: > Rather than continue to take over Bill's thread, I figured I'd start a new one. > > I'm interested in what works for Gnome and distros other than Ubuntu > for testing a11y. > > We're really trying to figure out how to make it work, especially with > all the new changes coming in, but many of us can't break our systems > for a11y-related reasons (and don't have an extra machine) and we've > had trouble getting people without impairments to do testing because > they're worried they don't really understand what they're doing. I > figure we can't be the only distro where this issue comes up and I'm > curious how other distros and a11y groups deal with it. > > Thanks! > Penelope > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > From waywardgeek at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 15:26:26 2011 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:26:26 -0500 Subject: Testing A11y In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Penelope. There's also a11y user testing, which is not very good in any major distro. It's not their fault - only expert users of a11y software can do in depth user testing. I'm not capable of doing solid Orca testing myself, and rely on blind Vinux users to do it for me. I think everyone in Vinux land agrees that we want to help with in-depth a11y user testing of package updates in Ubuntu, so long as it's possible to do safely, without causing speech to go away. Nimer Jaber has volunteered to coordinate testing in Vinux. First, he wants to organize Vinux users to document which applications are screen-reader friendly, and document how to work around their limitations. Long term, I would like to see accessibility ratings and documentation incorporated into the software installers, so users could quickly find accessible applications. However, I think Nimer also wants to coordinate user testing of new packages as updates become available from Ubuntu. Doing this safely is a bit complicated, so I'm going to post a longer, more technical email to the vinux-dev list about it. Bill On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Penelope Stowe wrote: > Rather than continue to take over Bill's thread, I figured I'd start a new one. > > I'm interested in what works for Gnome and distros other than Ubuntu > for testing a11y. > > We're really trying to figure out how to make it work, especially with > all the new changes coming in, but many of us can't break our systems > for a11y-related reasons (and don't have an extra machine) and we've > had trouble getting people without impairments to do testing because > they're worried they don't really understand what they're doing. I > figure we can't be the only distro where this issue comes up and I'm > curious how other distros and a11y groups deal with it. > > Thanks! > Penelope > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > From marionpeter at gmx.net Fri Jan 28 13:42:50 2011 From: marionpeter at gmx.net (Marion Peterreins) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:42:50 +0100 Subject: BRLTTY does not start automatically since upgrade of my system Message-ID: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> Hi all, Since I've upgraded my system brltty does not start automatically. What can I do to make it start automatically again? Ubuntu 10.4 Orca 2.30.2 Thanks in advance, Marion! From pstowe at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 04:28:21 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:28:21 -0500 Subject: Our Blog and Maybe Interviews Message-ID: Hiya, As was announced at our last meeting (and some of you may have seen on planet.ubuntu.com or tweeted), we now have an Accessibility Team blog! The blog can be found at http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/ We have some scheduled posts already, but I want to encourage people to get involved. If you have a post you'd like on the blog, feel free to come talk to AlanBell or me and we'll see what we can do. I'm also happy to repost things that people have already posted to their own blogs if they're relevant. I want to try to keep up a habit of one post a week, but it's perfectly fine if we have more than one post a week! I just don't want to have 5 posts in one day and nothing the rest of the week. Also, in my conversation with Jono last week, he suggested getting an interview series up on the blog. So I'm looking for someone to volunteer to do maybe an interview a month with various members of the Accessibility Team. Are there any volunteers? We'd put the interviews up on the Accessibility Team blog which means they'd go to the Ubuntu Planet. Thanks! Penelope From dusek at brailcom.org Sun Jan 30 12:02:48 2011 From: dusek at brailcom.org (Boris Dusek) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:02:48 +0100 Subject: Our Blog and Maybe Interviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 30, 2011, at 5:28 AM, Penelope Stowe wrote: > The blog can be found at http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/ if it wouldn't be much trouble, would it be possible to have an RSS feed for the blog? It would make it much more convenient for me to keep up with the blog. Thanks, Boris From cdh at gnu.org Sun Jan 30 14:16:41 2011 From: cdh at gnu.org (Christian Hofstader) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:16:41 -0500 Subject: Our Blog and Maybe Interviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would these interviews be audio or html? Happy Hacking, cdh Chris Hofstader Director Access Technology Free Software Foundation, Project GNU www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org On Jan 29, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Penelope Stowe wrote: > Hiya, > > As was announced at our last meeting (and some of you may have seen on > planet.ubuntu.com or tweeted), we now have an Accessibility Team blog! > > The blog can be found at http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/ > > We have some scheduled posts already, but I want to encourage people > to get involved. If you have a post you'd like on the blog, feel free > to come talk to AlanBell or me and we'll see what we can do. I'm also > happy to repost things that people have already posted to their own > blogs if they're relevant. I want to try to keep up a habit of one > post a week, but it's perfectly fine if we have more than one post a > week! I just don't want to have 5 posts in one day and nothing the > rest of the week. > > Also, in my conversation with Jono last week, he suggested getting an > interview series up on the blog. So I'm looking for someone to > volunteer to do maybe an interview a month with various members of the > Accessibility Team. Are there any volunteers? We'd put the interviews > up on the Accessibility Team blog which means they'd go to the Ubuntu > Planet. > > Thanks! > Penelope > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From phillw at ubuntu.com Mon Jan 31 00:05:29 2011 From: phillw at ubuntu.com (Phill Whiteside) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:05:29 +0000 Subject: Our Blog and Maybe Interviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hiyas Pen, I'm sure both Jacky and Manuela would be happy to be interviewed, I certainly would and I am pretty sure any of the speech control team would be happy to also. Regards, Phill. On 30 January 2011 14:16, Christian Hofstader wrote: > Would these interviews be audio or html? > > Happy Hacking, > cdh > > Chris Hofstader > Director Access Technology > Free Software Foundation, Project GNU > www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org > > On Jan 29, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Penelope Stowe wrote: > > > Hiya, > > > > As was announced at our last meeting (and some of you may have seen on > > planet.ubuntu.com or tweeted), we now have an Accessibility Team blog! > > > > The blog can be found at http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/ > > > > We have some scheduled posts already, but I want to encourage people > > to get involved. If you have a post you'd like on the blog, feel free > > to come talk to AlanBell or me and we'll see what we can do. I'm also > > happy to repost things that people have already posted to their own > > blogs if they're relevant. I want to try to keep up a habit of one > > post a week, but it's perfectly fine if we have more than one post a > > week! I just don't want to have 5 posts in one day and nothing the > > rest of the week. > > > > Also, in my conversation with Jono last week, he suggested getting an > > interview series up on the blog. So I'm looking for someone to > > volunteer to do maybe an interview a month with various members of the > > Accessibility Team. Are there any volunteers? We'd put the interviews > > up on the Accessibility Team blog which means they'd go to the Ubuntu > > Planet. > > > > Thanks! > > Penelope > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Jan 31 15:28:55 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:28:55 +0100 Subject: A suggestion with keyboard accessibility enable setting with Natty Message-ID: <4D46D537.1020102@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, I see in Natty all 30accessibility script set following accessibility setting with all accessibility mode with true value: /desktop/gnome/accessibility/keyboard/enable This setting is setted during live CD boot and installed target system too. With motor difficulties users this setting is absolute right and acceptable. This setting provide to toggle keyboard accessibility functions with hotkeys. But, some accessibility modes I think this setting default enable is not good ydea, for example access=v1, v2 and v3 modes. Perhaps why not good default enable this setting with screen reader related modes? For example if an user want fast muting Orca with fast right Shift key presses, in Natty now a notification message is presenting to would like toggle on the sticky keys feature or off? This situation need the user interaction to click the proper button, perhaps changing task, but if anytime later doing again some fast shift keypresses because not want hear a text output always but would like listening next informations, the notification is presenting again and this is perhaps disturb the work. Possible remove this setting for access=v1, v2 and v3 modes, similar with Lucid? I don't no now Maverick 30accessibility scripts containing this setting or not, I not remember. If this setting remove is acceptable with screen reader related modes, I welcome doing the need bugreport and patch. Attila From marionpeter at gmx.net Mon Jan 31 17:11:33 2011 From: marionpeter at gmx.net (Marion Peterreins) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:11:33 +0100 Subject: BRLTTY does not start automatically since upgrade of my system In-Reply-To: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> References: <4D42C7DA.5060404@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4D46ED45.7040102@gmx.net> Hi all, Since my last mail i've tried several things to get my braille display starting automatically again. First i thought that brltty might not start automatically. So i added it to my /etc/rc.local After rebooting i issued the command ps -A | grep -i ".*brltty" to see if it is running. To my suprise it was even running twice :-) So i removed it from the rc.local again. IN the next step i tried removing and reinstalling the package. When i started aptitude remove brltty it complained about brltty-x11 is broken. After confirming it removed the packages (brltty and brltty-x11). Now i installed brltty and brltty-x11 again. But unfortunatelly without any success.. Currently i have installed brltty 4.1. Would it make sense to install a newer version of it? And how could i get it? I'd prefer to use no testing repositories or something like this bc i use my ubuntu on a daily basis ... Any help / new ideas would be appreciated! Best wishes Marion Am 28.01.2011 14:42, schrieb Marion Peterreins: > Hi all, > > Since I've upgraded my system brltty does not start automatically. > What can I do to make it start automatically again? > > Ubuntu 10.4 > Orca 2.30.2 > > Thanks in advance, Marion! >