From tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk Wed Mar 9 21:29:08 2011 From: tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk (Anthony Sales) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 21:29:08 +0000 Subject: Vinux 3.0.1 Released! Message-ID: <58C326E7D5A7B84190C31DE21721FF1DC346AA@MAIL1.rncb.ac.uk> The Vinux 3.0.1 release based on Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS is now available for download. This combines all of the accessibility of Vinux 3.1 with the stability of Vinux 3.0 as well as a few completely new features. In addition to the existing three screen-readers (Orca, Speakup and YASR) this release also includes Emacspeak 'The Complete Audio Desktop' pre-configured and ready to go out of the box. You can now create audio books from text-based files using our exclusive Audiobook Converter package, browse our new HTML based Vinux Manual to help get you started, install the latest version of Libre Office using an EasyInstall script, and customise your desktop experience with Ubuntu Tweak. It is initially available as a 32bit CD - http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.01/Vinux-3.0.1-X86.iso - md5sum: d1ba630b56e25037e129af9853be38 99 - 665MB - a 64bit CD - http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.01/Vinux-3.0.1-X64.iso - md5sum: e565b4a3f7e11aef8c87489feeef8fd9 - 700MB and a 32bit DVD version - http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.01/Vinux-3.0.1-X86-DVD.iso - md5sum: 20a11d1d752077ca82cfcf614095420f - 1.5GB which comes with Libre Office and non-free multimedia codecs pre-installed. A 64bit DVD and a 32bit USB version will be available shortly. Users should also note that the official website has now moved to http://vinuxproject.org Tony Sales From pstowe at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 19:29:05 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:29:05 -0400 Subject: Meeting Reminder: March 16, 2011 @ 21:00UTC Message-ID: Hiya, Just a reminder that we have a meeting on Wednesday at 21:00UTC (Reminder to Americans and Canadians that that's now 17:00 on the east coast). Agenda can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda Thanks! Penelope From ekremkoc.mail at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 18:58:37 2011 From: ekremkoc.mail at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ekrem_Ko=C3=A7?=) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:58:37 -0700 Subject: messenger Message-ID: Hello, Which messenger is special for sighted impaired? Contrast only please. Not color orso Thank you. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Ekrem Koç ekremkoc.mail at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fudge at thefudge.net Tue Mar 22 00:49:51 2011 From: fudge at thefudge.net (Rob Whyte) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:49:51 +1100 Subject: new users - Australia Message-ID: <4D87F22F.3050609@thefudge.net> Hi, From the forrum thread about this list it suggested new list members introduce themselves. So here I am, I am a 33 year old single parent of two small children. I am legally blind with some very limitted sight. Not enough how ever to read text on screen or see an mouse pointer. Though I see boxes popup and different blended colours I do rely on speakup and gnome-orca. I have been using bsd/nix for about 8 years in a very small capacity i.e servers httpd ircd ftpd etc. I now use Ubuntu via Vinux and have done for two years. It was suggested to subscribe here as I am very interested in bleeding edge technology and usually my interest outweight my abilities :) I look forward to trying to assist the list and watching how it works, how tasks are assigned and hope to be able to contribute in the future. Kind regards Rob Whyte From jriddell at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 22 09:41:35 2011 From: jriddell at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Riddell) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:41:35 +0000 Subject: qt-at-spi Message-ID: <20110322094135.GT10920@starsky.19inch.net> I've packaged qt-at-spi, a plugin for Qt which exports its accessibility features to at-spi2 http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-at-spi also in ppa:jr for natty. The debugging output suggests its working once I install at-spi2-core. However I don't know how to get at-spi2 working, at least Orca doesn't want to read anything out to me for GTK programmes never mind Qt ones. What needs to be done to get this working? Jonathan From pstowe at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 11:00:27 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 07:00:27 -0400 Subject: Dash and onscreen keyboard In-Reply-To: <4D887E74.80600@gmx.net> References: <4D87A37D.6010805@gmx.net> <20110321133206.1b1c925e@teamcharliesangels.com> <4D887E74.80600@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Francesco Fumanti wrote: > Hi, > > On 2011-03-21 20:32, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >> >> I have been unable to find a way to type in the Search field, using >> either Onboard Keyboard or Dasher. > > It also does not work with kvkbd, even if you place kvkbd where dash > appears. kvkbd remains visible hiding parts of dash, but dash continues to > disappear when I click on a keyin kvkbd. So I suppose now that dash > disappearson every left button click; not only on clicks outside of the > window of dash. Please file a bug on this! > >> I believe that accessibility is >> supposed to be a high priority during this Natty cycle, unfortunately, >> for every gain, we seem to lose a couple of things. > > Is there anybody in charge about accessibility, so we can inform him about > the issue? > The Accessibility Team (who I'm copying on this e-mail in case any of our members have anything to add) is aware of the issue. If you can file bugs whenever possible it would be great. Luke and several other people have been working hard to get accessibility support in Unity, however, it may not be fully there for Natty. It is relatively easy to use stock Gnome instead on Natty, however it's a non-ideal solution, especially for things like an on-screen keyboard since it's rather important for touch screen devices as well! Thanks, Penelope From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Mar 22 12:56:42 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:56:42 -0600 Subject: qt-at-spi In-Reply-To: <20110322094135.GT10920@starsky.19inch.net> References: <20110322094135.GT10920@starsky.19inch.net> Message-ID: <20110322065642.43a28f6c@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:41:35 +0000 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I've packaged qt-at-spi, a plugin for Qt which exports its accessibility features to at-spi2 > > http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-at-spi > > also in ppa:jr for natty. > > The debugging output suggests its working once I install > at-spi2-core. However I don't know how to get at-spi2 working, at > least Orca doesn't want to read anything out to me for GTK programmes > never mind Qt ones. What needs to be done to get this working? > > Jonathan > To get Orca to work in Xubuntu with Xfce, I had to first install and start at-spi-registryd. This did not install with Orca, and does not start on it's own, I added it to my autostart applications. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com Tue Mar 22 13:23:43 2011 From: frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com (Frederik Gladhorn) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:23:43 +0100 Subject: qt-at-spi In-Reply-To: <20110322094135.GT10920@starsky.19inch.net> References: <20110322094135.GT10920@starsky.19inch.net> Message-ID: <201103221423.43830.frederik.gladhorn@nokia.com> Hi Jonathan, On Tuesday 22. March 2011 10.41.35 ext Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I've packaged qt-at-spi, a plugin for Qt which exports its accessibility > features to at-spi2 > > http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-at-spi > > also in ppa:jr for natty. > > The debugging output suggests its working once I install > at-spi2-core. However I don't know how to get at-spi2 working, at > least Orca doesn't want to read anything out to me for GTK programmes > never mind Qt ones. What needs to be done to get this working? thanks for packaging it :) in earlier times this was needed (I'm not sure currently): gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-dbus --type bool true gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/at-spi-corba --type bool false when you are in a KDE session you might need to export GTK_MODULES for gnome apps to work. export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge Try to use accerciser for testing. and for Qt, in addition to having the plugin you also need export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 Cheers Frederik From mj at mjw.se Tue Mar 22 13:46:41 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:46:41 +0100 Subject: qt-at-spi In-Reply-To: <20110322065642.43a28f6c@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <000601cbe897$92f9eef0$af16e255@mj> Wich ubuntu will it work on? I meen the native spotify client are in qt? mail mj at mjw.se telefon 0104906298 -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kravetz Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:57 PM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: qt-at-spi On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:41:35 +0000 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I've packaged qt-at-spi, a plugin for Qt which exports its > accessibility features to at-spi2 > > http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-at-spi > > also in ppa:jr for natty. > > The debugging output suggests its working once I install at-spi2-core. > However I don't know how to get at-spi2 working, at least Orca doesn't > want to read anything out to me for GTK programmes never mind Qt ones. > What needs to be done to get this working? > > Jonathan > To get Orca to work in Xubuntu with Xfce, I had to first install and start at-spi-registryd. This did not install with Orca, and does not start on it's own, I added it to my autostart applications. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From mj at mjw.se Tue Mar 22 15:06:22 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:06:22 +0100 Subject: Qt atspi Message-ID: <000d01cbe8a2$b4fff390$af16e255@mj> Wich ubuntu will the qt bridge work on? mail mj at mjw.se telefon 0104906298 From rene.linke at blindzeln.de Tue Mar 22 19:57:33 2011 From: rene.linke at blindzeln.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Ren=E9_Linke?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:57:33 +0100 Subject: How starting Ubuntu Maverick Live CD/DVD with Orca? Message-ID: <4D88FF2D.4080707@blindzeln.de> Hi, I'm blind and a Ubuntu newbie. It seems since Maverick the boot menu has been changed. Is taht right? I ask because I try to start from the compact disk to start Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Orca. Then later going to install on my local hard drive disk. Can anyone give me a step-by-step instruction for that what I need to do, please? Thanks in advanced for helping. René From lawrencenorth at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 23 05:03:21 2011 From: lawrencenorth at optusnet.com.au (Larry North) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:03:21 +1100 Subject: new users - Australia In-Reply-To: <4D87F22F.3050609@thefudge.net> References: <4D87F22F.3050609@thefudge.net> Message-ID: <000001cbe917$a8732870$f9597950$@com.au> G'day, I'm not blind and have done a quick search of the resources. Two which should be useful are VIBUNTU - UBUNTU LINUX FOR VISUALLY IMPAIRED http://www.ascience-thematic.net/en/news/Vibuntu This is from the RNIB in the UK. The second one is Vinux, which I believe you have Vinux - A talking linux distro for blind and visually impaired users http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/1016-vinux-a-talking-linux-distro-for-blin d-and-visually-impaired-users A discussion about Vinux can be found at http://www.linux-archive.org/ubuntu-user/404252-ubuntu-visually-impaired.htm l I'll also suggest having a look and listen to a podcast Going Linux : http://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html they have talked about this in a recent episode. Hope these are of use. Larry North -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Rob Whyte Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:50 AM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: new users - Australia Hi, From the forrum thread about this list it suggested new list members introduce themselves. So here I am, I am a 33 year old single parent of two small children. I am legally blind with some very limitted sight. Not enough how ever to read text on screen or see an mouse pointer. Though I see boxes popup and different blended colours I do rely on speakup and gnome-orca. I have been using bsd/nix for about 8 years in a very small capacity i.e servers httpd ircd ftpd etc. I now use Ubuntu via Vinux and have done for two years. It was suggested to subscribe here as I am very interested in bleeding edge technology and usually my interest outweight my abilities :) I look forward to trying to assist the list and watching how it works, how tasks are assigned and hope to be able to contribute in the future. Kind regards Rob Whyte -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From undifined at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 23:41:28 2011 From: undifined at gmail.com (UndiFineD) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:41:28 +0100 Subject: How starting Ubuntu Maverick Live CD/DVD with Orca? In-Reply-To: <4D88FF2D.4080707@blindzeln.de> References: <4D88FF2D.4080707@blindzeln.de> Message-ID: 2011/3/22 René Linke : > Hi, > > I'm blind and a Ubuntu newbie. It seems since Maverick the boot menu has > been changed. Is taht right? I ask because I try to start from the > compact disk to start Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Orca. Then later > going to install on my local hard drive disk. Can anyone give me a > step-by-step instruction for that what I need to do, please? > > Thanks in advanced for helping. > > René Hello René, I am sorry to see you have not been answered yet, I wish could help you better. > On 16/10/10 13:32, Luis antónio Marques Caetano wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is there any kind of tutorial about how to install Maverick with the > > help of orca? I searched but found nothing, so I'm asking here. > > I tried the old trick but didn't work. > > > > Thanks for any eventual answer! > > Hi Luis, > unfortunately the installer is now based on webkit and is almost > entirely silent, it is basically invisible to orca. The best option for > now is to find a sighted friend and talk them through the process, or > install Lucid (bad as that installer was) and then upgrade to Maverick. > > I wish there was better news for you. > > Alan. The only alternative I can think of is Vinux. http://vinuxproject.org/ -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Mar 24 02:28:24 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:28:24 -0600 Subject: How starting Ubuntu Maverick Live CD/DVD with Orca? In-Reply-To: <4D88FF2D.4080707@blindzeln.de> References: <4D88FF2D.4080707@blindzeln.de> Message-ID: <20110323202824.06dafc0a@teamcharliesangels.com> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:57:33 +0100 René Linke wrote: > Hi, > > I'm blind and a Ubuntu newbie. It seems since Maverick the boot menu has > been changed. Is taht right? I ask because I try to start from the > compact disk to start Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Orca. Then later > going to install on my local hard drive disk. Can anyone give me a > step-by-step instruction for that what I need to do, please? > > Thanks in advanced for helping. > > René > There is no Orca installer for Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat. The only option is to install Ubuntu 10.04, Lucid Lynx. Orca will work for the installation. You can then upgrade using update-manager to Maverick Meerkat, Ubuntu 10.10. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From milton at tomaatnet.nl Thu Mar 24 10:52:35 2011 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:52:35 +0100 Subject: How starting Ubuntu Maverick Live CD/DVD with Orca? References: <4D88FF2D.4080707@blindzeln.de> <20110323202824.06dafc0a@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <6F4D50A4840949489596CCFA7BCE725C@milton> Hi, I manage to install Maverick with Orca on 3 older computers. On one the sound was muted and I needed sighted assistant to unmute. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Kravetz" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:28 AM Subject: Re: How starting Ubuntu Maverick Live CD/DVD with Orca? > On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:57:33 +0100 > René Linke wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm blind and a Ubuntu newbie. It seems since Maverick the boot menu has >> been changed. Is taht right? I ask because I try to start from the >> compact disk to start Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Orca. Then later >> going to install on my local hard drive disk. Can anyone give me a >> step-by-step instruction for that what I need to do, please? >> >> Thanks in advanced for helping. >> >> René >> > > There is no Orca installer for Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat. The only option > is to install Ubuntu 10.04, Lucid Lynx. Orca will work for the > installation. You can then upgrade using update-manager to Maverick > Meerkat, Ubuntu 10.10. > > > -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Mar 25 05:40:19 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:40:19 +0100 Subject: Accessibility related questions with Firefox 4 Message-ID: <4D8C2AC3.3090109@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, sorry the lot of questions, but I not see clear following problem related: In Firefox 4 have following bug, with I think not fixed yet (status not showed this): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619002 In Orca list I see following letter, the thread is Firefox 4.0 Rc2 initialy inaccessible with Orca: "Hi Fer. > > This is a know issue that comes from a limitation on the atk signal, > > affecting those toolkits sending the delete events in a asyncronous > > way (Gecko and Java for example, but not gtk): > > > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619002 > > > > Now we have landed new signals on atk to fix this, and probably we > > will take advantage of it on the next firefox 4 point release. > > However, currently the fix for atk/at-spi will be only included on > > GNOME 3. If there are many people still using GNOME 2.32 + firefox, we > > can try to push an updated atk/at-spi for GNOME 2.32 including the > > fix. It is my understanding that at least several distros will not be making the switch to AT-SPI2 in their upcoming release. Please push it. Thanks! --joanie" Not clear me when next Firefox 4.0 release will be containing the required fix for bug 619002, I need upgrade for at-spi2 to use full adwantages the another atk components related fixes, for example if I want hear the backspaced characters in an edit box?? Now the backspaced characters prewious is not echoed with Firefox 4 with Orca screen reader, this is an important function of course. With Natty now containing Firefox 4.0 Rc2, but will be containing required atk fixes? Natty classic gnome session is based for GNOME 2.32 or based with GNOME 3.0? What will be happening for example oldest popular releases (Maverick and Lucid) when Ubuntu Mozilla maintainer team will be replace Firefox 3.6 with 4.0 release with oldest releases? This situation need upgrading distro level with gnome-orca package, but possible upgrading another components with distro level to not lost accessibility functions after this big change is doing with Ubuntu Mozilla team? For example, now Natty containing at-spi 1.32.0 release. Attila From dusek at brailcom.org Fri Mar 25 10:31:14 2011 From: dusek at brailcom.org (=?windows-1252?Q?Boris_Du=9Aek?=) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:31:14 +0100 Subject: How starting Ubuntu Maverick Live CD/DVD with Orca? In-Reply-To: <4D88FF2D.4080707@blindzeln.de> References: <4D88FF2D.4080707@blindzeln.de> Message-ID: <2E913440-02CC-4074-832F-187C3F0564D0@brailcom.org> Hello, On Mar 22, 2011, at 8:57 PM, René Linke wrote: > Hi, > > I'm blind and a Ubuntu newbie. It seems since Maverick the boot menu has > been changed. Is taht right? I ask because I try to start from the > compact disk to start Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Orca. Then later > going to install on my local hard drive disk. Can anyone give me a > step-by-step instruction for that what I need to do, please? There is an accessibility guide that contains step-by-step instructions on how to install Maverick by a blind person without sighted help. The instructions are here: http://live.freebsoft.org/ubuntu-desktop#install-without-sight Let me know if you find any issues with the instructions there. Best regards, Boris From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 28 05:59:23 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:59:23 +0200 Subject: A suggestion with keyboard accessibility enable setting with Natty In-Reply-To: <4D47CD69.1030006@pickup.hu> References: <4D46D537.1020102@pickup.hu> <4D47CD69.1030006@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4D9023BB.3080901@pickup.hu> Hy, I attached longer time ago a Casper package related patch for 30accessibility script to prewent a disturb problem for a default enabled gconf setting for keyboard accessibility with some blindness related profiles. With screen reader usage disturb the default enabled keyboard accessibility setting for example if the user muting screen reader ciclical with shift key. Please review my patch for following bugreport, and if my patch are good, please commit for Casper package in Natty: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/711131 For example, if I ciclical muting Orca with shift key with an apt-get upgrade operation output, and the keyboard accessibility setting is enabled with access=v2 and v3 profiles, always a popup notification question is presenting I want turning on the sticky keyboard accessibility mode (hopefuly I remember right the popup question). Thank you the reviewing, Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Mar 28 13:06:30 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:06:30 +0200 Subject: Two another 30accessibility related bugs for Natty packaged casper package Message-ID: <4D9087D6.4060201@pickup.hu> Hy, I reported two important bugs for Natty Casper package 30accessibility scripts related: 1. User-settings.py filename is changed after Orca 2.32 version, but 30accessibility script in ubiquity-hooks/target-config directory is not followed this change for if cases for blindness related profiles. Bugreport and fix patch link is following, please review the patch, and if the patch is good, please commit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/744214 2. I don't no why need, but if have preconfigured user-settings.conf Orca configuration file with /etc/skel/.local/share/orca folder, Casper package simple owerwrite the Orca settings for live user home directory (owerwriting the .local/share/orca/user-settings.conf file) with default settings. Another orca related files is not owerwrited and right copyed the live user .local/share/orca folder (custom developed orca-customizations.py file, Orca application settings, etc). The problem is live the casper source package scripts/casper-bottom/30accessibility script. For example, some Ubuntu based distributions stores this way the preconfigured settings for /etc/skel folder if would like provide default accessibility settings for future new created users, an example distribution with work this way is Vinux, but I using this way too my little hungarian Ubuntu based accessible distribution. Bugreport link with this problem related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/744227 If possible, please examine if existing an .local/share/orca/user-settings.conf file with /etc/skel folder or not, if the file is existing, please not owerwrite the live environment running 30accessibility script with the existing file with factory settings with live user home directory/.local/share/orca directory, keep the automatic skel directory copyed file. Attila From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Mar 28 21:20:42 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:20:42 +1100 Subject: Two another 30accessibility related bugs for Natty packaged casper package In-Reply-To: <4D9087D6.4060201@pickup.hu> References: <4D9087D6.4060201@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20110328212042.GA3382@strigy.yelavich.home> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:06:30AM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I reported two important bugs for Natty Casper package > 30accessibility scripts related: > 1. User-settings.py filename is changed after Orca 2.32 version, but > 30accessibility script in ubiquity-hooks/target-config directory is > not followed this change for if cases for blindness related > profiles. > Bugreport and fix patch link is following, please review the patch, > and if the patch is good, please commit: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/744214 Yep I can verify this. WIll fix once beta freeze has been lifted/beta has been released, as this is not a show stopper for beta. > 2. I don't no why need, but if have preconfigured user-settings.conf > Orca configuration file with /etc/skel/.local/share/orca folder, > Casper package simple owerwrite the Orca settings for live user home > directory (owerwriting the .local/share/orca/user-settings.conf > file) with default settings. > Another orca related files is not owerwrited and right copyed the > live user .local/share/orca folder (custom developed > orca-customizations.py file, Orca application settings, etc). > The problem is live the casper source package > scripts/casper-bottom/30accessibility script. > For example, some Ubuntu based distributions stores this way the > preconfigured settings for /etc/skel folder if would like provide > default accessibility settings for future new created users, an > example distribution with work this way is Vinux, but I using this > way too my little hungarian Ubuntu based accessible distribution. > Bugreport link with this problem related: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/744227 > If possible, please examine if existing an > .local/share/orca/user-settings.conf file with /etc/skel folder or > not, if the file is existing, please not owerwrite the live > environment running 30accessibility script with the existing file > with factory settings with live user home > directory/.local/share/orca directory, keep the automatic skel > directory copyed file. Whilst I don't agree with putting any old files in /etc/skel for various reasons, this change is essentially harmless for Ubuntu proper, so I will also fix this up once beta has been released. Thanks. Luke From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 29 07:26:21 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:26:21 +0200 Subject: Two another 30accessibility related bugs for Natty packaged casper package In-Reply-To: <20110328212042.GA3382@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4D9087D6.4060201@pickup.hu> <20110328212042.GA3382@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4D91899D.5040300@pickup.hu> Hy Luke, For /etc/skel/.local/share/user-settings.conf file owerwrite related: If for example a Vinux developer would like put this folder a preconfigured Orca configuration file to turn on default beginner users like functions, now used method resulting configuration file owerwriting, because automaticaly I think created a factory setted user-settings.conf file without verifying existing already a live user home directory/.local/share/orca folder an user-settings.conf file. For example, I always turning on default following functions, with not enabled automaticaly: 1. Turning on tutorial messages. 2. Turning on speak child position check box. 3. Turning on speak object mnemonics (result Orca spokening objects mnemonics automaticaly). 4. Decrease speech pitch with 3.0 value. Etc. When live user creating, all /etc/skel folder inside have directoryes and files are copyed right with live user home directory, this is general true, but unfortunately now right putted user-settings.conf file is owerwrited automaticaly without examine have a preconfigured user-settings.conf file or not in /etc/skel/.local/share/orca folder or live user home directory/.local/share/orca folder after live user and home directory is created. So you fix this problem after beta1 is released? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 29 08:35:01 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:35:01 +0200 Subject: Gdm user chooser is first time not accessible before I not press for example Tab or Escape key Message-ID: <4D9199B5.4070400@pickup.hu> Hy, In Natty have gdm-2.32.0-0ubuntu12 package version If accessible login is enabled with screen reader mode, the user chooser list is not accessible for Orca before I not press for example Tab or Escape key. Upstream level already reported this issue with following bugreport, with not fixed yet Gdm upstream developers: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641730 Before I reporting this issue with Ubuntu level, your openion have a chance fix this problem with Ubuntu level or upstream level before final Natty release? Or too short the time to fix this issue before final release? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Mar 29 11:01:12 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:01:12 +0200 Subject: One desktop environment announce message is wrong marked for translation in src/orca/scripts/default.py file Message-ID: <4D91BBF8.3010908@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, unfortunately one %s style desktop environment announce message is wrong marked for translation in src/orca/scripts/default.py filename. I reported this issue, and attached two style fix patch with following bugreport, if possible, please review the proper patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/744875 Of course, gnome-orca package is full translated with hungarian language both upstream level and Launchpad translation system. The problem is happening only if I press Orca modifier+e keystroke, if the verbosity setting is verbose. I tested the src/orca/scripts/default.py filename style fix patch. When I rebuilded and installed gnome-orca package after applied the patch, and press Orca modifier+e keystroke, Orca wonderful hungarian language spokened the current desktop environment announce message. I have got a technical question with future: If Ubuntu specific gnome-orca package debian/patches directory already containing a patch with implementing a function, and need fixing a problem with patched version for a function implementation patch, what place need doing the fixes? For example, if I want easyest attaching a fix, what format you prefer better: a fix with you already doed complete patch, or direct fix patch with original already patched source file (now src/orca/scripts/default.py filename)? Now, I both two way make the patch. This situation need attaching both two style patches, or enough modifying original devian/patches directory already existing function implementation patch? Attila From alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com Tue Mar 29 20:43:26 2011 From: alan.bell at theopenlearningcentre.com (Alan Bell) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:43:26 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Re: Integrating new console colors in D-I (was Re: Call for testing: Aubergine-love for Server folks!) Message-ID: <4D92446E.6000909@theopenlearningcentre.com> I have not tested this yet, but it sounds like good news for the a11y perspective and those who struggled with the colours on the aubergine accessible installer Alan. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Integrating new console colors in D-I (was Re: Call for testing: Aubergine-love for Server folks!) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:10:48 -0500 From: Dustin Kirkland To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com CC: Colin Watson On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Colin Watson wrote: > It would have to go on the kernel command line, not in the CD preseed > file. The latter is read too late for this. > > It would probably be better to add new values for the existing > FRONTEND_BACKGROUND environment variable (which can also go on the > kernel command line) rather than inventing a new preseeded template > which would basically just be a synonym for it. Great idea, Colin. I have this now working, with an upload of cdebconf-0.154ubuntu2 to Natty archive. This will not make Beta1, but should absolutely land in Beta2, and will need release-team approval. Note that it will also require a re-spin of debian-installer. I'm tracking this in Bug #730672. There's a debdiff for cdebconf there. As of that upload, any user of the text installer will be able to optionally specify a FRONTEND_BACKGROUND value on the kernel command line. The cdebconf-newt-udeb package provides the following: * dark -- high contrast, accessibility theme * original -- the traditional, legacy newt theme * ubuntu -- the aubergine theme (basically, s/blue/magenta/g) These are installed to: * /etc/newt/palette.dark * /etc/newt/palette.original * /etc/newt/palette.ubuntu By default, there is a symlink installed by cdebconf-newt-udeb in the ISO filesystem: * /etc/newt/palette -> /etc/newt/palette.ubuntu At debian-installer/cdebconf initialization of the newt frontend, if a kernel parameter FRONTEND_BACKGROUND= is found, then the symlink at /etc/newt/palette is broken and replaced with a symlink to /etc/newt/palette.. In this way, any derivative of Ubuntu can ship their own palette in a udeb that's included in their ISO build, install that palette at /etc/newt/palette.kubuntu, for example, and append FRONTEND_BACKGROUND=kubuntu to the kernel parameters. If you (or your Ubuntu derivative) just want the legacy behavior, then don't bother shipping your own palette, but simply append FRONTEND_BACKGROUND=original to the kernel parameters. I hope this helps with your calls for reconfigurability! I've enjoyed working with everyone on this ;-) Cheers, -- :-Dustin Dustin Kirkland Ubuntu Server, Core Developer Canonical, LTD -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Mar 29 21:16:04 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:16:04 +1100 Subject: One desktop environment announce message is wrong marked for translation in src/orca/scripts/default.py file In-Reply-To: <4D91BBF8.3010908@pickup.hu> References: <4D91BBF8.3010908@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20110329211604.GA3465@strigy.yelavich.home> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:01:12PM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Luke, unfortunately one %s style desktop environment announce > message is wrong marked for translation in > src/orca/scripts/default.py filename. > I reported this issue, and attached two style fix patch with > following bugreport, if possible, please review the proper patch: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/744875 Thanks, will get this fixed after beta, along with the new orca upstream release. > I have got a technical question with future: > If Ubuntu specific gnome-orca package debian/patches directory > already containing a patch with implementing a function, and need > fixing a problem with patched version for a function implementation > patch, what place need doing the fixes? For example, if I want > easyest attaching a fix, what format you prefer better: a fix with > you already doed complete patch, or direct fix patch with original > already patched source file (now src/orca/scripts/default.py > filename)? > Now, I both two way make the patch. > This situation need attaching both two style patches, or enough > modifying original devian/patches directory already existing > function implementation patch? Whatever suits you, I can work either way. The only thing I request is that you create your patches with diff -u, i.e when running the diff command, please use the -u argument to produce a unified diff, which is the same format to the orca patches. Unified diffs are much easier to read. Luke From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Mar 30 06:38:57 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:38:57 +0200 Subject: Missing tooltips for icon labelled panel applets in classic GNOME session? Message-ID: <4D92D001.8080807@pickup.hu> Hy, I using Natty live CD for classic GNOME session. I see an interesting think, with I don't no possible resolving or not, or how can possible resolving, I would like ask your hint: Longer time known issue, some panel applets not have accessible descriptions (for example network manager icon in the top panel, keyboard layout indicator), this situation need pressing Orca+F1 key combination to listen the panel applet tooltip message (not have network connection, vired connection auto eth0 is active, etc), this is not problem prewious, because Orca+F1 keystroke spokened the textual tooltips with this icon labelled panel applets. Now, when I press Orca+F1 keystroke this icon labelled panel applets, Orca not spokening any tooltips this panel applets. Missing this tooltips, removed this tooltips, or why happening this? When I generated a modifyed live CD, I simple copyed my original Lucid system good working .gconf folder in /etc/skel folder, of course I applied required Natty specific synchronisations. Perhaps I mistake, or this is an upstream bug for this panel applets? In my Lucid system all icon labelled panel applets have tooltips, and Maverick I not remember this issue. Another interesting issue, I using Window Chooser panel applet the bottom panel. Prewious when I landing the Window Chooser panel applet, I hear right textual name for this panel applet. Now, I hear "Vnck-applet" name. Similar problem have the "Trash" panel applet, now I hear "Trashapplet" name. I no, general Ubuntu configuration have limited applets for top and bottom panels. My customizations are bad? Possible easy resolving this missing panel applet tooltips problem for Natty? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Mar 30 07:01:19 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:01:19 +0200 Subject: Missing tooltips for icon labelled panel applets in classic GNOME session? In-Reply-To: <4D92D001.8080807@pickup.hu> References: <4D92D001.8080807@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4D92D53F.8080302@pickup.hu> Hy, I wrote wrong keystroke to tooltip message listening. Right keystroke is Ctrl+F1 keystroke, not Orca+F1 keystroke. The problem is not changed of course, Ctrl+F1 keystroke is not spokening tooltip message for example the Network Manager panel applet. Attila From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Mar 30 21:14:03 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:14:03 +1100 Subject: Missing tooltips for icon labelled panel applets in classic GNOME session? In-Reply-To: <4D92D001.8080807@pickup.hu> References: <4D92D001.8080807@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20110330211403.GA3234@strigy.yelavich.home> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 05:38:57PM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I using Natty live CD for classic GNOME session. > I see an interesting think, with I don't no possible resolving or > not, or how can possible resolving, I would like ask your hint: > Longer time known issue, some panel applets not have accessible > descriptions (for example network manager icon in the top panel, > keyboard layout indicator), this situation need pressing Orca+F1 key > combination to listen the panel applet tooltip message (not have > network connection, vired connection auto eth0 is active, etc), this > is not problem prewious, because Orca+F1 keystroke spokened the > textual tooltips with this icon labelled panel applets. > Now, when I press Orca+F1 keystroke this icon labelled panel > applets, Orca not spokening any tooltips this panel applets. Missing > this tooltips, removed this tooltips, or why happening this? > When I generated a modifyed live CD, I simple copyed my original > Lucid system good working .gconf folder in /etc/skel folder, of > course I applied required Natty specific synchronisations. Perhaps I > mistake, or this is an upstream bug for this panel applets? There are no tool tips because most of the panel icons are now indicators. The indicator design calls for no tooltips. In natty, I have done some work to make sure these have accessible descriptions, however this is not complete. Oneiric should have more complete indicator accessibility. You can read my post on the Ubuntu Accessibility team blog about indicators here: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/indicators-and-accessibility/ Luke From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Thu Mar 31 12:33:45 2011 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:33:45 -0500 Subject: ubuntu Live CD's and the Booting Process Message-ID: <201103311233.p2VCXjB0049714@x.it.okstate.edu> As a computer user who happens to be blind, the CMOS setup application is always something to avoid. About the only real solution as far as I know is to have somebody who can see the screen help out. If necessary, I can talk them through the process but as far as I know, there is no way to access it from a running system. If there was a good way to do this, I wouldn't be asking these questions. I added two 512 MB modules of the appropriate memory to a Dell system which previously had only 256 MB for a total of 1.25 GB. The startup routine beeped at me on the next power up, but this is normal when the amount of memory changes. The new memory appears to work as I have an older Linux kernel installed on the system and the free -b command returns the expected value but there is still trouble. If one tried to run the ubuntu Live CD before the memory upgrade, the system croaked almost immediately as it ran out of memory. After the upgrade, it still fails exactly the same way. Should I be looking for some sort of pointer in the CMOS that might still be set to a memory limit of 256 MB? The rest of the system seems fine but still no Live CD boot. Many thanks. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From manselton at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 12:42:41 2011 From: manselton at gmail.com (Maurice McCarthy) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:42:41 +0100 Subject: ubuntu Live CD's and the Booting Process In-Reply-To: <201103311233.p2VCXjB0049714@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201103311233.p2VCXjB0049714@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Have a look at nvramtool $ aptitude show nvramtool Description: Read/write coreboot-related NVRAM/CMOS information nvramtool is a utility for reading/writing coreboot parameters in NVRAM/CMOS and displaying information from the so-called 'coreboot table'. . The coreboot table resides in low physical memory. It is created at boot time by coreboot, and contains various system information such as the type of mainboard in use. It specifies locations in the NVRAM/CMOS (nonvolatile RAM) where the coreboot parameters are stored. . This program is mostly intended for (x86-based) systems that use coreboot, but can also be used for non-coreboot system (e.g. for dumping all NVRAM bytes). . For information about coreboot, see http://www.coreboot.org/. Homepage: http://www.coreboot.org/Nvramtool Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug Origin: Ubuntu Good Luck Maurice On 31/03/2011, Martin McCormick wrote: > As a computer user who happens to be blind, the CMOS > setup application is always something to avoid. About the only > real solution as far as I know is to have somebody who can see > the screen help out. If necessary, I can talk them through the > process but as far as I know, there is no way to access it from > a running system. If there was a good way to do this, I wouldn't > be asking these questions. > > I added two 512 MB modules of the appropriate memory to > a Dell system which previously had only 256 MB for a total of > 1.25 GB. The startup routine beeped at me on the next power up, > but this is normal when the amount of memory changes. > > The new memory appears to work as I have an older Linux > kernel installed on the system and the free -b command returns > the expected value but there is still trouble. > > If one tried to run the ubuntu Live CD before the memory > upgrade, the system croaked almost immediately as it ran out of > memory. After the upgrade, it still fails exactly the same way. > Should I be looking for some sort of pointer in the CMOS that > might still be set to a memory limit of 256 MB? The rest of the > system seems fine but still no Live CD boot. > > Many thanks. > > Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK > Systems Engineer > OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Best Wishes