From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Tue Nov 1 03:58:22 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:58:22 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu Developer Summit for Precise Pangolin - Accessibility Sessions In-Reply-To: <20111031024355.680ee773@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20111031024355.680ee773@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <20111031215822.55ed8b11@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:43:55 -0600 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:19:28 -0400 > Penelope Stowe wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm sorry we haven't had a meeting in a while, I've had some health > > stuff I've been dealing with. > > > > Next week is the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Orlando, Florida. This > > UDSwill be planning for Precise Pangolin, which is a Long Term Support > > release so hopefully we can use it to truly get accessibility working! > > > > If you are in the Orlando area and aren't already planning on coming > > to UDS, please consider doing so! You can register online for free > > [0]. > > > > If you aren't in the Orlando area or can't attend UDS in person for > > another reason, it is possible to participate remotely using the > > audiostreams and IRC [1]. All notes from sessions are taken using the > > Ubuntu UDS Etherpad deployment and there will be links to the pads > > announced at the beginning of sessions. Please note if you are > > attending remotely and are not in the US/Canada that times on the > > schedule are in local time to UDS (so Eastern Time) and that the > > US/Canada will still be on Daylight Savings Time, but Europe (and I > > think the rest of the Northern Hemisphere) will have switched back to > > standard. You can register remote participation at UDS using the same > > link for registering to attend in person. > > > > As of right now, there are two sessions out there directly dealing > > with accessibility. Please add ideas/suggestions for discussions to > > the white board on the blueprints linked for each session. > > > > Accessibility Team Community Goals [2] > > Wednesday November 2, 16:15 Eastern Time (20:15 UTC) > > This will be looking at community goals for improving accessibility > > > > Accessibility Polish [3] > > Thursday November 3, 15:00 Eastern Time (19:00 UTC) > > This will be looking at development goals (mainly Canonical, but I > > hope the community is able to contribute as well!) for accessibility > > with the goal of making both Unity 2D and Unity 3D 100% accessible for > > Precise. > > > > I will send out e-mails if either of these sessions is rescheduled. > > > > If you have the time to attend more than those sessions (or can't > > attend those, but would like to attend other sessions), please look at > > the schedule for other sessions you may be interested in [4]. It would > > also be wonderful if people could reply to the list with other > > sessions that might have extra relevance to accessibility so that we > > can try to find at least one person from the team to attend either in > > person or remotely. > > > > I'm looking forward to seeing those of you who will be at UDS in > > person and hearing from the rest of you! > > > > Thank you! > > Penelope > > > > [0] http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/ > > [1] http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ > > [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals > > [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish > > [4] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/ > > > > One more accessibility blueprint, filed late. This is to try and make > developers other than Luke aware that we need to stop breaking > accessibility during the cycle. > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-testing > In an effort to make Ubuntu developers aware of some of the issues with testing a11y, the blueprint has been renamed to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing The session is tentatively scheduled for Wednesday at 15:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOr25eAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbA04EH/iNs0a+zZjQpyMeT2ScGuuhv YBLcRjhPNOthTcbo1f1UBBh9ZX3VuCCCECRRy9HDfOS3tCJfh8872h03/2G5Y4J8 s+kS6/zB6XFEoYxYgCmsp3VsPOgGabAHx/vqqkfW4JlHLyuZwd6byot2+nOtRXUE HrSBIYu4liIaMYwEXYGpdNUuiXcphqkJ5HWgCXjOYyZuLJMbzvS9WbDCIaOqNIvv HlgziN6qopWrMBjjZ9TQK/P2L8ckUDXwyI/SrczTxOd7vWD/Vw4KIjX7eGBTpaxu qZkP6X2PFLRrE5T1c+wI8GaW3Ww7oXQ0FFZJHF9MOyaTwJ4Yvvu1WFi/ik8su2I= =6mgO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pstowe at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 11:07:17 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 07:07:17 -0400 Subject: UDS Accessibility Sessions November 2 Message-ID: The schedule has changed some so today we get a different session than we were expecting. 11:00 EDT (15:00 UTC) Community Accessibility Testing Bonaire 1 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19797/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing/ The other two accessibility specific sessions will be tomorrow. I hope to see some of you there either in person or remotely! ~Penelope From apinheiro at igalia.com Wed Nov 2 12:11:33 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 13:11:33 +0100 Subject: Unity 3D 4.24 extra a11y available Message-ID: <4EB13375.2060709@igalia.com> Hi, I have updated yesterday the extra a11y Unity 3D ppa. Unfortunately there are a regression in this ppa, already detected by Luke on the previous version (I was trying to fix this, so the reason of the delay). Specifically, using Orca, the first time you open a quicklist it works fine. But it fails in consequents attempts. If you try this ppa and find any other regression, please tell me. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From pstowe at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 14:23:31 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:23:31 -0400 Subject: UPDATED: UDS Accessibility Sessions November 2 Message-ID: Please note the added session in bold today due to a scheduling conflict. The schedule has changed some so today we get a different session than we were expecting. 11:00 EDT (15:00 UTC) Community Accessibility Testing Bonaire 1 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19797/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing/ *16:15 EDT (20:15 UTC) Accessibility Community Team Goals Antigua 2 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19734/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals/ *A note on this one is that I'm bringing up my new advocacy project I'd like to start that is more than just Ubuntu, which I'm currently calling Accessibility From the Start* The other two accessibility specific sessions will be tomorrow. (Yes, there are still 2 sessions tomorrow, one has been added on Kubuntu A11y.) I hope to see some of you there either in person or remotely! 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Thanks in advance, Greg L -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd7cyu at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 13:45:47 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 06:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? In-Reply-To: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> References: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> Message-ID: Several of us have asked this question on this list and still have no answer that does not require sighted help. If you have someone who can help there is a icon (I believe it was described to me as a gear) down by the password on the login screen that will allow it to be changed. So far no one has come up with a way to do it if you can't see that I am aware of. Tom On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Greg Lopez wrote: > Greetings, >   > I’ve recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my desktop computer, activated Orca and have it starting by default when I log in, > but I’m stuck with the Unity 3D desktop. I understand that Unity 2D is more accessible, but I don’t know how to switch to > it. I’m wondering if someone can explain how to switch the desktop, and how to make it accessible as possible, as I use the > system as a home server. >   > Thanks in advance, >   > Greg L > > From james at jbuchanan.org Thu Nov 3 14:25:06 2011 From: james at jbuchanan.org (James Buchanan) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:25:06 -0400 Subject: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? In-Reply-To: References: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> Message-ID: This's a bit of a kludge, but you can activate Unity 2d with key-commands, which shouldn't require sighted help. When the password comes up, press tab to go over to the session button, spacebar to open the menu, down button twice and press enter to select Ubuntu 2d, and then press tab to get back to the password field. Fortunately, you should only have to do that once...Ubuntu should remember your session and log you into Unity 2d every time thereafter. James On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Tom Masterson wrote: > Several of us have asked this question on this list and still have no > answer that does not require sighted help. If you have someone who can > help there is a icon (I believe it was described to me as a gear) down by > the password on the login screen that will allow it to be changed. So far > no one has come up with a way to do it if you can't see that I am aware of. > > Tom > > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Greg Lopez wrote: > > Greetings, >> >> I’ve recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my desktop computer, activated >> Orca and have it starting by default when I log in, >> but I’m stuck with the Unity 3D desktop. I understand that Unity 2D is >> more accessible, but I don’t know how to switch to >> it. I’m wondering if someone can explain how to switch the desktop, and >> how to make it accessible as possible, as I use the >> system as a home server. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Greg L >> >> > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chaltain at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 15:15:15 2011 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 10:15:15 -0500 Subject: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? In-Reply-To: References: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> Message-ID: <4EB2B003.8000202@gmail.com> I think you can switch to Unity 2D by updating the .dmrc file in your home directory and changing it to say: [Desktop] Session=ubuntu-2d If you're currently running Unity 3D, it should say something like: [Desktop] Session=ubuntu Note that you have to be logged off on the desktop and do this from the console, since logging off the desktop will rewrite this file. This is the information I've gotten, but I haven't done it myself. If anyone gets a chance to play with it, please post your results. On 03/11/11 09:25, James Buchanan wrote: > This's a bit of a kludge, but you can activate Unity 2d with > key-commands, which shouldn't require sighted help. When the password > comes up, press tab to go over to the session button, spacebar to open > the menu, down button twice and press enter to select Ubuntu 2d, and > then press tab to get back to the password field. Fortunately, you > should only have to do that once...Ubuntu should remember your session > and log you into Unity 2d every time thereafter. > > James > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Tom Masterson > wrote: > > Several of us have asked this question on this list and still have > no answer that does not require sighted help. If you have someone > who can help there is a icon (I believe it was described to me as a > gear) down by the password on the login screen that will allow it to > be changed. So far no one has come up with a way to do it if you > can't see that I am aware of. > > Tom > > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Greg Lopez wrote: > > Greetings, > > I’ve recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my desktop computer, > activated Orca and have it starting by default when I log in, > but I’m stuck with the Unity 3D desktop. I understand that Unity > 2D is more accessible, but I don’t know how to switch to > it. I’m wondering if someone can explain how to switch the > desktop, and how to make it accessible as possible, as I use the > system as a home server. > > Thanks in advance, > > Greg L > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From james at jbuchanan.org Thu Nov 3 16:48:17 2011 From: james at jbuchanan.org (James Buchanan) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:48:17 -0400 Subject: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? In-Reply-To: <4EB2B003.8000202@gmail.com> References: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> <4EB2B003.8000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't been able to make this work. It seems like lightdm is actually rewriting the file on *login* rather than logoff...no matter what I do, "Ubuntu" is still selected as the session when I get back to lightdm, and the regular Unity is still what comes up. If the OP uses auto-logon, the method described on this page might work: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62833/how-do-i-change-the-default-session-for-when-using-auto-logins/62836#62836 JB On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I think you can switch to Unity 2D by updating the .dmrc file in your > home directory and changing it to say: > > [Desktop] > Session=ubuntu-2d > > If you're currently running Unity 3D, it should say something like: > > [Desktop] > Session=ubuntu > > Note that you have to be logged off on the desktop and do this from the > console, since logging off the desktop will rewrite this file. > > This is the information I've gotten, but I haven't done it myself. If > anyone gets a chance to play with it, please post your results. > > On 03/11/11 09:25, James Buchanan wrote: > > This's a bit of a kludge, but you can activate Unity 2d with > > key-commands, which shouldn't require sighted help. When the password > > comes up, press tab to go over to the session button, spacebar to open > > the menu, down button twice and press enter to select Ubuntu 2d, and > > then press tab to get back to the password field. Fortunately, you > > should only have to do that once...Ubuntu should remember your session > > and log you into Unity 2d every time thereafter. > > > > James > > > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Tom Masterson > > wrote: > > > > Several of us have asked this question on this list and still have > > no answer that does not require sighted help. If you have someone > > who can help there is a icon (I believe it was described to me as a > > gear) down by the password on the login screen that will allow it to > > be changed. So far no one has come up with a way to do it if you > > can't see that I am aware of. > > > > Tom > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Greg Lopez wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > I’ve recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my desktop computer, > > activated Orca and have it starting by default when I log in, > > but I’m stuck with the Unity 3D desktop. I understand that Unity > > 2D is more accessible, but I don’t know how to switch to > > it. I’m wondering if someone can explain how to switch the > > desktop, and how to make it accessible as possible, as I use the > > system as a home server. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Greg L > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > > > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at gmail.com > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pstowe at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 16:53:24 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:53:24 -0400 Subject: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? In-Reply-To: References: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> <4EB2B003.8000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:48 PM, James Buchanan wrote: > I haven't been able to make this work. It seems like lightdm is actually > rewriting the file on *login* rather than logoff...no matter what I do, > "Ubuntu" is still selected as the session when I get back to lightdm, and > the regular Unity is still what comes up. > James, Can you file a bug on that? I'll bring it up this afternoon, as well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glpzstl at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 17:07:58 2011 From: glpzstl at gmail.com (Gregory Lopez) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:07:58 -0700 Subject: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? In-Reply-To: References: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> Message-ID: <7A40EB0DF34547D9BB0157843E2E611F@chaoscorps.us> That “kludge” worked like a charm... Now using Unity 2D, and it sticks across restarts. Thanks so much for the tip. I’m going to pass this along to another list I subscribe to as well. Greg L From: James Buchanan Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:25 AM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? This's a bit of a kludge, but you can activate Unity 2d with key-commands, which shouldn't require sighted help. When the password comes up, press tab to go over to the session button, spacebar to open the menu, down button twice and press enter to select Ubuntu 2d, and then press tab to get back to the password field. Fortunately, you should only have to do that once...Ubuntu should remember your session and log you into Unity 2d every time thereafter. James On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Tom Masterson wrote: Several of us have asked this question on this list and still have no answer that does not require sighted help. If you have someone who can help there is a icon (I believe it was described to me as a gear) down by the password on the login screen that will allow it to be changed. So far no one has come up with a way to do it if you can't see that I am aware of. Tom On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Greg Lopez wrote: Greetings, I’ve recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my desktop computer, activated Orca and have it starting by default when I log in, but I’m stuck with the Unity 3D desktop. I understand that Unity 2D is more accessible, but I don’t know how to switch to it. I’m wondering if someone can explain how to switch the desktop, and how to make it accessible as possible, as I use the system as a home server. Thanks in advance, Greg L -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james at jbuchanan.org Thu Nov 3 18:10:40 2011 From: james at jbuchanan.org (James Buchanan) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:10:40 -0400 Subject: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? In-Reply-To: References: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> <4EB2B003.8000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmm...I think I was wrong, since trying $ sudo service stop lightdm $ emacs .dmrc ...replace ubuntu with ubuntu-2d... $sudo service start lightdm and then logging off (since it started me back logged in, for some reason) and back on seems to work. I honestly can't believe I didn't try that before. I think the .dmrc is being written when the lightdm service stops and then read when the service starts...i.e., simply being logged off won't do, the service has to be completely stopped. Still want me to file a bug report? It doesn't really seem to be a bug, just an incredibly annoying feature. JB On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Penelope Stowe wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:48 PM, James Buchanan wrote: > >> I haven't been able to make this work. It seems like lightdm is actually >> rewriting the file on *login* rather than logoff...no matter what I do, >> "Ubuntu" is still selected as the session when I get back to lightdm, and >> the regular Unity is still what comes up. >> > > James, > > Can you file a bug on that? I'll bring it up this afternoon, as well. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luke.yelavich at canonical.com Thu Nov 3 21:37:37 2011 From: luke.yelavich at canonical.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:37:37 -0400 Subject: How do I switch from Unity 3D to Unity 2D in Oneiric Ocelot? In-Reply-To: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> References: <19BDEB5E7462423EA578AD7CB955B448@chaoscorps.us> Message-ID: <20111103213736.GB2622@acapella> On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 11:23:02AM EDT, Greg Lopez wrote: > Greetings, > > I’ve recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my desktop computer, activated Orca and have it starting by default when I log in, but I’m stuck with the Unity 3D desktop. I understand that Unity 2D is more accessible, but I don’t know how to switch to it. I’m wondering if someone can explain how to switch the desktop, and how to make it accessible as possible, as I use the system as a home server. Ok, here is a command that should change your session to unity-2d, without you having to log out and stop lightdm. This should worok 100%. You need to know what your user ID is, not your user name your user ID number. To find this out, open a terminal and run: echo $UID Make a note of the number you hear, you will need it in the next command. To make the change, run this command: dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User$uid org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:ubuntu-2d Where $uid is your user ID number, mine is 1000. accessibility at login will certainly be fixed for precise, and may be fixed in oneiric as well, depending on how invasive the fix is. Hope this helps. Luke From waywardgeek at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 20:11:56 2011 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:11:56 -0500 Subject: [VINUX-DEVELOPMENT] Orca caps-lock fix In-Reply-To: <4EBA9408.10907@gmail.com> References: <4EBA9408.10907@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've attached an alternate patch to Orca to fix the caps lock problem that does not require any change to any other package. It's a bit of a hack. It calls xkbcomp to get the entire keyboard state, makes the change we need, and calls xkbcomp again to write the modified keyboard map. On the positive side, it should in theory just work for everyone, and there's no need to delay the fix while we wait on an upstream patch. My recommendation is to go ahead and apply (and Orca-fy) the patch to orca.py while we wait for upstream to add the new caps mode, and for the various distros that work with orca to ship with the new mode. Then we can ship the simpler patch that just enables the new caps lock mode. I'll get the upstream patch started ASAP, after a meeting I'm about to attend. However, it will probably be a while before Orca can count on having the new caps mode. In the meantime, this hack should work well. Bill On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Don Marang wrote: > Great work!  It appears that the right people are prepared to implement this > change for orca and Ubuntu. > > Do I read this right that a change is also required from another package, > setxkbmap?  Has the developers of this package been notified?  I have no > visibility into their development.  Are they receptive or will we need to > nag to get this change implemented? > > > Don Marang > > On 11/8/2011 5:33 PM, Bill Cox wrote: > > The old xmodmap program seems to be beginning to break down. It's > considered obsolete and has been replaced with setxkbmap. Orca uses > xmodmap to disable the caps lock key, but in newer versions of > xmodmap, that also causes it to no longer work as a modifier key. I > believe this is why we're seeing the caps lock key Unbuntu Oneiric > toggling whenever pressed. > > On my system, I got it working with a patch to Orca to use setxkbmap, > and by editing some configuration files in the xkeyboard-config > package to add a new caps lock configuration, which I called "orca". > Done this way, this option shows up in the Keyboard settings dialog > along with the other settings for the caps lock key, which is kind of > cool. I have Orca enable the orca mode with: > > setxkbmap -option caps:orca > > and disable it with: > > setxkbmap -option > > I've attached diff files created with diff -Naur. The orca.py patch > is fairly simple. The down side is that it requires the new orca mode > in the xkb configuration, so these patches have to be in sync. > > Bill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups Vinux Development Forum. > To post to this group, send email to vinux-development at googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vinux-development+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-development?hl=en?hl=en > > Vinux Home Page: http://vinuxproject.org/ > Vinux Wiki Documentation: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have already published Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela (fully blind) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta (cognitive and memory issues) I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader use. His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to use Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more interesting design challenges. It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and active throughout the day for Europe and USA Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From pmikeal at comcast.net Thu Nov 10 00:47:16 2011 From: pmikeal at comcast.net (Pia) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:47:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, thanks for all of your work on this and to everyone else who is working on it. My eye condition is like the Simon persona, I am visually impaired and losing my eyesight, use a 32 inch TV for my monitor. Unfortunately, this site you posted is not easily usable in lynx web browser, which I use because the text console is easier to see and also works better with speech such as is provided with speakup a screen reader for the virtual console. When I do have to use the GUI, I not only use high contrast, but also large print because the magnifiers in Linux are clunky and difficult to use whereas large bold print with high contrast is way easier to follow. Just a little input from a real live example of that persona. Kind Regards and Thank You, Pia On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: > Hi all, > > one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the persona > documents out, these help us to communicate the need for accessibility > considerations to be included in the design process. We have already > published Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) > http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela > (fully blind) > http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have > outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta > (cognitive and memory issues) > > I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to > cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually > impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen > magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader > use. His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to > use Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. > > We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text > http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the > #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough > framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by > the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more > interesting design challenges. > > It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting > and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. > The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, > they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular > time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and > active throughout the day for Europe and USA > > Alan. > > -- > The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look > at http://libertus.co.uk > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Nov 10 08:29:49 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:29:49 +0100 Subject: [VINUX-DEVELOPMENT] Orca caps-lock fix In-Reply-To: References: <4EBA9408.10907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EBB8B7D.7040203@pickup.hu> Hy Bill, I tryed your last attached patch with my Oneiric system, The patch works wonderful with Orca master version. Thank you this patch. I attaching now a git diff command generated patch. Beginner users easyest appliing this patch, if already downloaded for example with Orca master version from git repository without need going in src/orca directory and run patch -p0 command. This situation need doing following: 1. Please go to top of the Orca main source directory. 2. Run simple following command: patch -p1 From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Nov 10 09:42:55 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:42:55 +0100 Subject: In Ubiquity GTK dialogs have lot of focusable labels with are not connected real widgets Message-ID: <4EBB9C9F.5070902@pickup.hu> Hy, I doed an uptodated Oneiric custom live CD, and installed my system. Final Oneiric installer I found lot of dialogs with have focusable labels, with perhaps not real connected with the active widgets. With TAB key possible jumping this labels. A typical example is the modify partition dialog if the user using manual partitioning, or giving user account related informations dialog. In Precise possible little redesigning with labels usage for A11y related to prowide fastest screen reader handling the installer without losting visual lookup? Some label widgets with associated a real widget not have mnemonic letter now, this is an another way to fasting installer handling if the user known already the widget keystroke. I reported this problem with following bugreport, and wrote some examples and suggestions: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/888451 Now used method some time disturb the installer fastest handling with screen reader, because always need jumping this focusable labels before filling required informations. But in installer accessibility support are happened good changes already. Future I would like working this fix if accepting this help for screen reader using fixes related, but I need some technical help before begin this task: 1. Real time when Ubiquity package is building executing any patch in debian/patches directory with affecting the UI files final presenting? So, the Ubiquity GTK dialogs related ui files is dinamicaly changing when the package building is happening in the repository or local machine? 2. Have an easyest testing method when I would like testing a dialog part in Ubiquity installer to verify my modifications with Orca screen reader usability without I need looking all installation screens and doing real installation? When I doing a modification with proper UI file, I would like testing for example I real associated a label with proper widget, Orca right spokening the wanted information, etc. Attila From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Thu Nov 10 11:04:43 2011 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:04:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: Thank you (all) for the work on this. I've not been very active at all on this, but would like to contribute. I've forgotten what I need to do to get (re-)started on the Pad system. It might be useful to have a link or two about that. Will there be more than one VI persona? Our needs are different, and conflict! There have been times when I've needed lots of light, and times when I have been photophobic, just as an example. :-) RP is an interesting choice because it does occur with deafness in Usher Syndrome. I have things I'd like to see mentioned, but I don't want to write them up if they would misrepresent the needs of someone with RP. For example: NS-WYSIWYG - Non-Strict WYSIWYG -- We Know the paper will be white but the screen white is *not* WYSIWYG because paper does not glow, reading a printed page is not like staring into a light bulb: allow me to reverse the colours or choose something else. I never did convince Star Office devs of this. A Magnifier that works by warping the screen, so none of it is hidden. The non-magnified parts are compressed, so you can still see where you are relatively. Maybe the GPU and display drivers could be made to do this? And I'd like to be able to change the mouse to screen sized crosshairs like on the old Tektronix terminals, so you cannot lose the pointer. That's all I can think of at the moment. Well, that's 3 impossible things before US breakfast time. Hugh On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: > Hi all, > > one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the persona > documents out, these help us to communicate the need for accessibility > considerations to be included in the design process. We have already published > Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) > http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela > (fully blind) > http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have > outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta > (cognitive and memory issues) > > I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to > cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually > impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen > magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader use. > His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to use > Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. > > We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text > http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the > #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough > framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by > the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more > interesting design challenges. > > It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting > and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. > The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, > they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular > time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and active > throughout the day for Europe and USA > > Alan. > > -- > The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look > at http://libertus.co.uk > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From macoafi at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 12:29:57 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:29:57 -0500 Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: On Nov 10, 2011 6:05 AM, "Hugh Sasse" wrote: > NS-WYSIWYG - Non-Strict WYSIWYG -- We Know the paper will be > white but the screen white is *not* WYSIWYG because paper does > not glow, reading a printed page is not like staring into a > light bulb: allow me to reverse the colours or choose something > else. I never did convince Star Office devs of this. It is possible to reverse the colors of the entire screen or just one window using compiz. I recall it being possible to change the text area background from white to some other less glowing shade (i used yellow for a while) in gnome and have that effect Open Office. > A Magnifier that works by warping the screen, so none of it is > hidden. The non-magnified parts are compressed, so you can still > see where you are relatively. Maybe the GPU and display drivers > could be made to do this? It's definitely possible. KDE has it. > And I'd like to be able to change the mouse to screen sized > crosshairs like on the old Tektronix terminals, so you cannot > lose the pointer. Orca has that, but if you're not using a screen reader already, that'd be pretty heavy weight. Maco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Thu Nov 10 13:35:55 2011 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:35:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: OK, sorry for the noise, then. I've not had much time/energy to explore this stuff of late. Thank you. Hugh From macoafi at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 14:59:24 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:59:24 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Mackenzie Morgan" Date: Nov 10, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November To: "Hugh Sasse" It still would be a matter of: 1. Checking to see if gnome 3 still has that setting 2. Porting that style of magnifier to compiz since unity 3d is built on compiz. An alternative for you short-term would be using unity 2d with kwin (which can also do the inverse colors) 3. Getting (or finding) a lightweight standalone version of that cursor. Maco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Thu Nov 10 15:11:45 2011 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: <4EBBD759.4090902@ubuntu.com> References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> <4EBBD759.4090902@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: > On 10/11/11 11:04, Hugh Sasse wrote: [...] > > I've forgotten what I need to do to get (re-)started on the Pad system. > > It might be useful to have a link or two about that. > basically go to the pad page in a graphical browser and start typing anywhere > you want. OK, added a couple of things. I don't have a CCTV magnifier at home, and I don't use a web cam, so maybe someone can add something about: Can present day CCTVs input to computers pretty much as standard? Can you use Web cams (maybe with photography macro adaptors) as CCTV magnifiers? With Image Magick, etc that might be a good use case for Simon. > > Will there be more than one VI persona? Our needs are different, and > > conflict! There have been times when I've needed lots of light, and times > > when I have been photophobic, just as an example. :-) > in the plan we are separating blind from VI, but I am hoping we can get all > the VI needs boiled down into one persona (given we already have Faisal who is > colourblind). RP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinitis_pigmentosa is a good > choice as it is progressive, which means we can get various levels of VI in > the one persona. We could do loads of persona documents and cover *everything* > but I think it is a better choice to cover the needs of the Ubuntu target > audience in a minimal set that the non-a11y specialist contributers to Ubuntu > can understand. So the personas should represent all the Ubuntu users, but the > target audience of our persona project is all developers and contributors, not > just those working on stuff like zoom and screen readers. OK, so it's a good enough model of visual impairment, until we need something better. That's a sensible engineering decision. I was concerned that the experience of RP will be quite different from Macula Degeneration etc. > > > > > RP is an interesting choice because it does occur with deafness in > > Usher Syndrome. I would like to raise the flag for a deafblind persona, though. In the UK, for example, there are about 24,000 deafblind people, but they so often seem to be batted like tennis balls between the organizations of/for [dD]eaf people and those of/for blind people, but the solutions offered usually rely on having the other sense intact. There are widely varying stats for the USA http://www.aadb.org/FAQ/faq_DeafBlindness.html#count Thank you, Hugh From alanbell at ubuntu.com Thu Nov 10 16:00:58 2011 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:00:58 +0000 Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> <4EBBD759.4090902@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <4EBBF53A.8080904@ubuntu.com> On 10/11/11 15:11, Hugh Sasse wrote: > > OK, added a couple of things. I don't have a CCTV magnifier at home, and > I don't use a web cam, so maybe someone can add something about: > > Can present day CCTVs input to computers pretty much as standard? > Can you use Web cams (maybe with photography macro adaptors) as CCTV > magnifiers? > > With Image Magick, etc that might be a good use case for Simon. what is the CCTV for? Is this a security camera of some kind? > OK, so it's a good enough model of visual impairment, until we need something > better. That's a sensible engineering decision. I was concerned that the > experience of RP will be quite different from Macula Degeneration etc. it probably would be, but I am guessing the options we can provide on the computer for assistance are pretty much the same, magnification, speech or audio cues and tweaks to colours and contrasts. > > I would like to raise the flag for a deafblind persona, though. In > the UK, for example, there are about 24,000 deafblind people, but > they so often seem to be batted like tennis balls between the > organizations of/for [dD]eaf people and those of/for blind people, > but the solutions offered usually rely on having the other sense > intact. There are widely varying stats for the USA > http://www.aadb.org/FAQ/faq_DeafBlindness.html#count > > Thank you, > Hugh totally agree, but I am not sure what we can do from an Ubuntu desktop perspective, to use a computer a deafblind person will require a braille output device (which is supported, but I don't have the hardware or skill to use it). In theory it would be the same as the blindness profile, but using braille rather than speech dispatcher. It would be massively hard to use the desktop that way, but probably not technically impossible. I am not sure there is much we can do to optimise the desktop for that persona which would be in any way different to the blindness profile. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Thu Nov 10 16:58:03 2011 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:58:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: <4EBBF53A.8080904@ubuntu.com> References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> <4EBBD759.4090902@ubuntu.com> <4EBBF53A.8080904@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: > On 10/11/11 15:11, Hugh Sasse wrote: > > > > OK, added a couple of things. I don't have a CCTV magnifier at home, and > > I don't use a web cam, so maybe someone can add something about: > > > > Can present day CCTVs input to computers pretty much as standard? > > Can you use Web cams (maybe with photography macro adaptors) as CCTV > > magnifiers? > > > > With Image Magick, etc that might be a good use case for Simon. > what is the CCTV for? Is this a security camera of some kind? :-) No, it's for magnification. First non-advertising one I found on the web was this: http://www.afb.org/Section.asp?SectionID=4&TopicID=31&DocumentID=221 They'll magnify, change the colours, increase the contrast, and some even do more processing on what is placed on the tray underneath the TV/camera unit. People use them for close work, reading, etc. A good description is from Abilitynet. http://abilitynet.wetpaint.com/page/CCTV+and+Video+Magnifiers (Not sure about the wetpaint in the domain name. http://www.abilitynet.org.uk/edu_sensoryhardware#cctv might be better for that reason. ) Personally I find hand magnifiers easier, but they are less of interest for this topic. > > OK, so it's a good enough model of visual impairment, until we need > > something > > better. That's a sensible engineering decision. I was concerned that the > > experience of RP will be quite different from Macula Degeneration etc. > it probably would be, but I am guessing the options we can provide on the > computer for assistance are pretty much the same, magnification, speech or > audio cues and tweaks to colours and contrasts. OK. > > > > I would like to raise the flag for a deafblind persona, though. In > > the UK, for example, there are about 24,000 deafblind people, but > > they so often seem to be batted like tennis balls between the > > organizations of/for [dD]eaf people and those of/for blind people, > > but the solutions offered usually rely on having the other sense > > intact. There are widely varying stats for the USA > > http://www.aadb.org/FAQ/faq_DeafBlindness.html#count > > > > Thank you, > > Hugh > totally agree, but I am not sure what we can do from an Ubuntu desktop > perspective, to use a computer a deafblind person will require a braille > output device (which is supported, but I don't have the hardware or skill to > use it). In theory it would be the same as the blindness profile, but using > braille rather than speech dispatcher. It would be massively hard to use the > desktop that way, but probably not technically impossible. I am not sure there > is much we can do to optimise the desktop for that persona which would be in > any way different to the blindness profile. I'm not in regular contact with deafblind people these days, but when I was I was left with the impression that braille use is greater among deafblind people as a proportion than it is among blind people. But there are other modes of communication which are more unusual, and I don't know how difficult they are to cater for, or how common they are now. As two examples: Circa 1980 there was a deafblind radio amateur who successfully used morse code by touch. Circa 2002 there was a project called Dexter which was a robotic hand producing the US one handed Deaf fingerspelling alphabet to be read by touch. Maybe that was driven by RS232, I can't remember now. So some of the needs will be distinct from those of blind people and deaf people. It might be worth asking AADB if they'd like any input. I think they are probably the biggest deafblind organisation in the world, or at least the anglophone world. At a wild guess, anyway. It might generate some interesting ideas, anyway. Hugh From alanbell at ubuntu.com Thu Nov 10 13:53:29 2011 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:53:29 +0000 Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November In-Reply-To: References: <4EBABF16.1040200@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <4EBBD759.4090902@ubuntu.com> On 10/11/11 11:04, Hugh Sasse wrote: > Thank you (all) for the work on this. > > I've not been very active at all on this, but would like to contribute. > I've forgotten what I need to do to get (re-)started on the Pad system. > It might be useful to have a link or two about that. basically go to the pad page in a graphical browser and start typing anywhere you want. > Will there be more than one VI persona? Our needs are different, and > conflict! There have been times when I've needed lots of light, and times > when I have been photophobic, just as an example. :-) in the plan we are separating blind from VI, but I am hoping we can get all the VI needs boiled down into one persona (given we already have Faisal who is colourblind). RP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinitis_pigmentosa is a good choice as it is progressive, which means we can get various levels of VI in the one persona. We could do loads of persona documents and cover *everything* but I think it is a better choice to cover the needs of the Ubuntu target audience in a minimal set that the non-a11y specialist contributers to Ubuntu can understand. So the personas should represent all the Ubuntu users, but the target audience of our persona project is all developers and contributors, not just those working on stuff like zoom and screen readers. > > RP is an interesting choice because it does occur with deafness in > Usher Syndrome. > > I have things I'd like to see mentioned, but I don't want to write > them up if they would misrepresent the needs of someone with RP. > For example: > > NS-WYSIWYG - Non-Strict WYSIWYG -- We Know the paper will be > white but the screen white is *not* WYSIWYG because paper does > not glow, reading a printed page is not like staring into a > light bulb: allow me to reverse the colours or choose something > else. I never did convince Star Office devs of this. > > A Magnifier that works by warping the screen, so none of it is > hidden. The non-magnified parts are compressed, so you can still > see where you are relatively. Maybe the GPU and display drivers > could be made to do this? > > And I'd like to be able to change the mouse to screen sized > crosshairs like on the old Tektronix terminals, so you cannot > lose the pointer. > > That's all I can think of at the moment. Well, that's 3 impossible > things before US breakfast time. > > Hugh > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the persona >> documents out, these help us to communicate the need for accessibility >> considerations to be included in the design process. We have already published >> Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) >> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela >> (fully blind) >> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have >> outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta >> (cognitive and memory issues) >> >> I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to >> cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually >> impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen >> magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader use. >> His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to use >> Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. >> >> We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text >> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the >> #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough >> framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by >> the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more >> interesting design challenges. >> >> It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting >> and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. >> The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, >> they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular >> time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and active >> throughout the day for Europe and USA >> >> Alan. >> >> -- >> The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look >> at http://libertus.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From kalladasunny1 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 13:11:16 2011 From: kalladasunny1 at gmail.com (sunny p o) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:41:16 +0530 Subject: orca support about ubuntu 11.10 Message-ID: I am sunny, from kerala India. I have installed and used the operating system ubuntu 11.10. It is very useful in the case of talking english and malayalam at the same time. That means without make any change in the speech page of orca preference. But the orca support is less than that of the ubuntu 11.04. For example at the time of right clicking in the icon of a pendrive there is no talk by pressing navigation keys. Similarly at the time of using internet we cannot find the visited link by pressing 'v'. From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Nov 13 06:28:59 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:28:59 +0100 Subject: Anybody using Libao speech driver for Speech-dispatcher with Ubuntu Natty or Ubuntu Oneiric? Message-ID: <4EBF63AB.9070404@pickup.hu> Hy, Some time, I don't no why if I using Speech-dispatcher with Ubuntu 11.10, after longer time usage random time the Espeak speech begin distorting, and only possible resolving this problem if I kill Speech-dispatcher and restart again. I using Speech-dispatcher with native Pulse driver for Speech-dispatcher. Speech-dispatcher packaged version is 0.7.1-6-ubuntu1. Very difficult to reproduce this problem my notebook, this problem not depending what task I doing when this problem is happening. Normal sound playing is working fine always when this distortion is begin happening for speech output. My notebook have following sound card: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) Anybody experienced similar issues if use Speech-dispatcher with Espeak module and confirming this issue? I using both Speech-dispatcher and Pulseaudio with user mode. My question: In Oneiric release the Libao driver for Speech-dispatcher is supported without need remove Pulseaudio? How can I possible setting this driver to I see this problem is resolving this driver change or not my system? Unfortunately I forgot what packages are need this driver and what the proper configuration for Speech-dispatcher without I lost the speech output. Attila From mark8hammond at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 13:46:50 2011 From: mark8hammond at gmail.com (mark hammond) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:46:50 -0000 Subject: unity oh no Message-ID: Hello I'd like to find out how to get a seeable cursor. And with any luck some readable text in unity Yours floudering around Mark -- Opera 11.60 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.midence at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 14:29:19 2011 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:29:19 -0600 Subject: One man's observations on the Unity experience Message-ID: HI, all, I'd been meaning to try Oneiric for some time and finally got around to it last night. I installed Oneiric into a virtual machine using the accessible option with Orca and fired it on up. I quickly ran into trouble. I couldn't get to the applications menu. I hit alt+f1 and got to the launcher bar. After a few tries, I found the "dash home" option and pressed it. A search field came up with buttons under it when I arrowed down. One was the applications button. I pressed it and nothing happened that I could tell. Also, there appears to be a tool bar of some kind that is not accessible. Moving around the screen with flat review reveals that there are a bunch of "fillers" on it. Control alt tab takes me to a Unity 2d pannel which is also inaccessible. What I'd like to do is put some shortcuts on my desktop or find ways to put shortcuts in my launcher which I get to with alt+f1. I don't now that I vicerally object to Unity as so many seem to but, I do think it's a definite productivity killer for me. I haven't been able to get to any documentation to read up on what I'm supposed to do from within Unity itself, none of the shortcuts I'm used to using work as expected, I can't get to the under the hood stuff easily and there are tons of inaccessible areas all over the place. I couldn't even get to a console command line because Pulse audio doesn't work in console mode. Honestly, I am still baffled as to why this package has gained so very much popularity. Historically, the GUI has been a "bell and whistle" feature for *nix but more and more is depending on the gui these days. Anyway, using a gnome terminal is somewhat helpful except that Orca cuts out and crackles a bit and gives me error messages about lines in at-spi that don't do as they are supposed to in D-Bus. Lastly, I installed using the accessible install method but found I get no speach in the login area of x and Orca doesn't come up automatically. Also, I have to do a control alt t to launch it from the terminal because alt f2 doesn't seem to except orca as a command. I half expected to be met with a few obstacles in this desktop but they turned out to be more than what I anticipated. I wanted to try it out to be able to provide feedback even if I didn't use it because I think it's important for us to try all the new stuff and get our observations out where someone might see them and do something about them. Hope this feedback helps someone, Alex M From luke.yelavich at canonical.com Tue Nov 15 07:15:37 2011 From: luke.yelavich at canonical.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:15:37 +1100 Subject: At-spi package updates ready for testing. Message-ID: <20111115071536.GA2744@acapella> Hey folks, Its that time again, we have some proposed updates from upstrea for some at-spi components, version 2.2.2 of at-spi2-core and at-spi2-atk. As before, please install these packages from oneiric-proposed, and give feedback in the below bugs. You can also find more information on how to install/test from the m,most recent post in the bugs. 890491 - at-spi2-core 890493 - at-spi2-atk Thanks. Luke From alex.midence at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 14:56:14 2011 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:56:14 -0600 Subject: One man's observations on the Unity experience Message-ID: Hi, all, Previously, I set down my initial impressions on running Unity with Orca in a VM. (see below.) Since then, I've done a few things that improved the experience somewhat for me and I thought I'd share them for those who may be interested. Firstly, I remembered that someone had set up a ppa with some accessibility enhancements. I tracked it down and added it to my sources.list file and then did an apt-get install unity from the terminal. Unfortunately, I'm not at my LInux box and don't have the address to put down here. The ppa said that most of these enhancements were for 3d accessibility but, I found that it seemed to help with 2d accessibility. I'm not a dev, though, so don't ask how this can be. Anyway, after a reboot, I found that accessing the launch bar with alt+f1 and then selecting the option spoken as "dash home" with the enter key, arrowing down to applications and pressing enter, did do something for me this time. I found a button labled "installed applications" and another "applications waiting to be downloaded". Hitting installed applications gives me the option of expanding a list of them along with the number of how many apps I have installed. (Nifty feature, btw.) I selected this and arrowed down and found myself in an area with each app represented by a button icon. To navigate through them, I found that the best way is through right arrowing and not down arrowing which is my usual method on other desktops. Anyway, all my friends were there and launchable with a press of the enter key. It's a bit weird navigating through these buttons the way I navigate through the menus on my Android cell phone but, it sort of grows on you after a while. All in all, it was a very interesting experience. Oh, lest I forget, the last thing I did last night was to run sudo apt-get install gnome. I wanted to give myself the option to switch desktops if I chose. I assume this will put gnome3 on there. Anyway, this resulted in gdm being installed on my machine. I chose it in favor of Light DM and was rewarded by hearing the drums at start -up when it was type to type in my user name and password. I still wasn't able to get Orca to talk in the GDM nor am I able to get it to come up in either by default or using the alt+f2 run command. I still have to launch it from a terminal. So, this also means that if I want Gnome to launch by default instead of Unity, I have to hunt down a config file and set that up there since I can't get orca to come up at the login area to do a control alt tab and then tab to where I can pick a desktop. Ah, wel, one thing at a a time, I guess. So far, it's coming along for me nicely though. Alex M > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:29:19 -0600 > From: Alex Midence > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: One man's observations on the Unity experience > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > HI, all, > > I'd been meaning to try Oneiric for some time and finally got around > to it last night. I installed Oneiric into a virtual machine using > the accessible option with Orca and fired it on up. I quickly ran > into trouble. I couldn't get to the applications menu. I hit alt+f1 > and got to the launcher bar. After a few tries, I found the "dash > home" option and pressed it. A search field came up with buttons > under it when I arrowed down. One was the applications button. I > pressed it and nothing happened that I could tell. Also, there > appears to be a tool bar of some kind that is not accessible. Moving > around the screen with flat review reveals that there are a bunch of > "fillers" on it. Control alt tab takes me to a Unity 2d pannel which > is also inaccessible. What I'd like to do is put some shortcuts on my > desktop or find ways to put shortcuts in my launcher which I get to > with alt+f1. I don't now that I vicerally object to Unity as so many > seem to but, I do think it's a definite productivity killer for me. I > haven't been able to get to any documentation to read up on what I'm > supposed to do from within Unity itself, none of the shortcuts I'm > used to using work as expected, I can't get to the under the hood > stuff easily and there are tons of inaccessible areas all over the > place. I couldn't even get to a console command line because Pulse > audio doesn't work in console mode. Honestly, I am still baffled as > to why this package has gained so very much popularity. Historically, > the GUI has been a "bell and whistle" feature for *nix but more and > more is depending on the gui these days. Anyway, using a gnome > terminal is somewhat helpful except that Orca cuts out and crackles a > bit and gives me error messages about lines in at-spi that don't do as > they are supposed to in D-Bus. Lastly, I installed using the > accessible install method but found I get no speach in the login area > of x and Orca doesn't come up automatically. Also, I have to do a > control alt t to launch it from the terminal because alt f2 doesn't > seem to except orca as a command. I half expected to be met with a > few obstacles in this desktop but they turned out to be more than what > I anticipated. I wanted to try it out to be able to provide feedback > even if I didn't use it because I think it's important for us to try > all the new stuff and get our observations out where someone might see > them and do something about them. > > Hope this feedback helps someone, > Alex M From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Nov 15 21:26:24 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:26:24 +1100 Subject: One man's observations on the Unity experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111115212624.GA4853@acapella> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 01:56:14AM EST, Alex Midence wrote: > Hi, all, > > Previously, I set down my initial impressions on running Unity with > Orca in a VM. (see below.) Since then, I've done a few things that > improved the experience somewhat for me and I thought I'd share them Yes, sounds like you found Alehandro's Unity 3D PPA for oneiric which has some extra functionality included, particfularly for the dash and quicklists. For those who are wondering where to find the PPA, the easiest way to add it is as follows: 1. In Oneiric, open a terminal and run "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:apinheiro/unity-extra-a11y" 2. Run "sudo apt-get update" 3. Then update your system as you normally would, and the new Unity 3D should get installed. You will need to log out and back in again to run the new Unity 3D package. Luke From herzog at frontiernet.net Thu Nov 17 03:22:31 2011 From: herzog at frontiernet.net (Herzog) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:22:31 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 72, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EC47DF7.50504@frontiernet.net> A big clue. orca not start for me UNTIL it added to the ubuntu start-up programs list. but i can't recall the steps to get there, I needed help. Will On 11/16/2011 7:00 AM, ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > I still wasn't > able to get Orca to talk in the GDM nor am I able to get it to come up > in either by default or using the alt+f2 run command. I still have to > launch it from a terminal. So, this also means that if I want Gnome > to launch by default instead of Unity, I have to hunt down a config > file and set that up there since I can't get orca to come up at the > login area to do a control alt tab and then tab to where I can pick a > desktop. Ah, wel, one thing at a a time, I guess. So far, it's > coming along for me nicely though. > > Alex M > From waywardgeek at gmail.com Sat Nov 19 20:51:03 2011 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:51:03 -0500 Subject: [VINUX-DEVELOPMENT] Orca caps-lock fix In-Reply-To: <4EBB8B7D.7040203@pickup.hu> References: <4EBA9408.10907@gmail.com> <4EBB8B7D.7040203@pickup.hu> Message-ID: Thanks for generating this patch, Attila. It looks good to me. Bill 2011/11/10 Hammer Attila : > Hy Bill, > > I tryed your last attached patch with my Oneiric system, The patch works > wonderful with Orca master version. Thank you this patch. > I attaching now a git diff command generated patch. > Beginner users easyest appliing this patch, if already downloaded for > example with Orca master version from git repository without need going in > src/orca directory and run patch -p0 command. This situation need doing > following: > 1. Please go to top of the Orca main source directory. > 2. Run simple following command: > patch -p1 If the patch is right applied, you will be see the patch is applied with > src/orca/orca.py file. > 3. Do ./autogen.sh, make, make install commands, and restart Orca. After > this nothing need doing, the Orca caps lock related issue is resolved. > I not tested this patch with orca-xdesktop branch, because my Lucid system > this issue is not happening. > If you not need doing any work this issue related your patch, please attach > your patch with following bugreport: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658122 > Hopefuly this way fix is acceptable with upstream level, and short time will > be Joanie or other Orca developer committing this fix. > > Attila > From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 20:59:58 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:59:58 -0500 Subject: Now that Oneiric is running with Unity and Orca... Message-ID: <4ECD5ECE.9080609@gmail.com> Hi, Now that I have Oneiric running on my Asus 1015PE netbook, with Orca, I can put down my first impressions. After installation, I added the extra a11y source and did 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade', to bring the system up to date. Next, I did 'sudo shutdown -r now', to force a restart. As others have reported, Orca will not start automatically, even when it is added to the startup applications list. I must start Orca from a terminal, like this: 'orca --replace &'. Maybe the 'replace' isn't needed, since it's not running? Anyway, this gets Orca going. The terminal is filled with Python trace-back and warning messages. Trying to read the terminal with flat review generates yet more. Also, having installed the extra a11y, and running Orca in the terminal, I find that the application menus, reachable by hitting 'f10', no longer speak. This seems to be session-wide. I can still use applications, as long as I don't need the menus. If, for instance, I want to adjust volume, I have to start the 'sound preferences' applet, in order to reach the controls. This is inconvenient, but not a show-stopper. I would like to get this installation of Unity working as well as is now possible. Any thoughts? Dave Hunt From glpzstl at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 00:34:33 2011 From: glpzstl at gmail.com (Gregory Lopez) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:34:33 -0800 Subject: Accessibility of the Ubuntu Software Center in Oneiric Ocelot Message-ID: Greetings, I’m having issues with the Ubuntu Software Center in Oneiric Ocelot when it comes to accessibility with Orca. It seems that only parts of the app are accessible, while other parts fail miserably. The best example I can give is trying to search for an app to install... It causes my system to lock up and become unresponsive for quite a while, with no speech, and I have to bang on the Alt-F4 combo to force the app to shut down and get speech back. What I am wondering is if there’s a more accessible version of the Software Center, say for example, the one from the Vinux distro (which is fully usable) that I can replace this rather disappointing version with, or is there another app like it that I can use to search and install apps with? 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It causes my system to lock up and become unresponsive for quite a while, with no speech, and I have to bang on the Alt-F4 combo to force the app to shut down and get speech back. What I am wondering is if there’s a more accessible version of the Software Center, say for example, the one from the Vinux distro (which is fully usable) that I can replace this rather disappointing version with, or is there another app like it that I can use to search and install apps with? How did you install Ubuntu and set up accessibility? Exactly what part of the search is not accessible, and what other parts of the software centre are not accessible? Luke From glpzstl at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 02:24:29 2011 From: glpzstl at gmail.com (Gregory Lopez) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 18:24:29 -0800 Subject: Accessibility of the Ubuntu Software Center in Oneiric Ocelot In-Reply-To: <20111124005212.GA16524@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <20111124005212.GA16524@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: I have a slightly customized USB key that I configured with a version of the live CD, which after booting up (and hitting the volume up key on the keyboard to raise the volume to the max), I press Ctrl-S, then Alt-F2, then Esc, then Alt-F2 again and type 'orca' and hit enter to start the setup process for Orca. After doing the steps required, I logout of the session, which then starts the auto login process, and I repeat the steps again, but with Orca coming up speaking this time. Next, I hit the Win key, and type 'Access' and get the Universal Access settings dialog. I tap the screen reader button in the dialog, then close it... (I have persistence enabled on the USB key, so I only needed to do those steps once). Then I do the install of Ubuntu as normal, and repeat the accessibility steps again on the newly minted system, and also do some updates and installs from the command line. Finally, I logout and hit Tab, then enter, and down arrow twice, pressing Enter, and Shift-Tab back once and type in my password to get the more accessible interface of Unity. As for the Software Center, what works for me is: 1. If I select a .deb package on my system, the Software Center comes up and allows me to tab to the install button and start the install process, including typing in my password for sudo What doesn't work (and my experiences): 1. Trying to type in the search box won't speak, and will lock my system up, causing me to force quit the app 2. No lists are spoken, but if I can guess the item name, an Enter will bring up the item page, which is accessible for the most part (similar to installing a .deb package) Otherwise, I've been so frustrated with the Software Center, I haven't attempted to use any other features it offers until I can find a workaround. Gregory Lopez --- Email: glpzstl at gmail.com Google Talk: glpzstl at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/glpzstl Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/glpzstl -----Original Message----- From: Luke Yelavich Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:52 PM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Ubuntu Software Center in Oneiric Ocelot On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:34:33AM EST, Gregory Lopez wrote: > Greetings, > > I’m having issues with the Ubuntu Software Center in Oneiric Ocelot when > it comes to accessibility with Orca. It seems that only parts of the app > are accessible, while other parts fail miserably. The best example I can > give is trying to search for an app to install... It causes my system to > lock up and become unresponsive for quite a while, with no speech, and I > have to bang on the Alt-F4 combo to force the app to shut down and get > speech back. What I am wondering is if there’s a more accessible version > of the Software Center, say for example, the one from the Vinux distro > (which is fully usable) that I can replace this rather disappointing > version with, or is there another app like it that I can use to search and > install apps with? How did you install Ubuntu and set up accessibility? Exactly what part of the search is not accessible, and what other parts of the software centre are not accessible? Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From everett at zufelt.ca Sun Nov 27 11:15:55 2011 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:15:55 -0500 Subject: Accessibility of installer in 11.10 Message-ID: Good morning, I was reading http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/24/ubuntu-12-04-accessibility-plans/ and am curious if it is possible to install Ubuntu 11.10 using speech synthesis, with any degree of ease / reliability? If not, is an actual usable / accessible installer for the blind part of the plan for 12.04? Thanks, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanbell at ubuntu.com Sun Nov 27 13:11:53 2011 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:11:53 +0000 Subject: Accessibility of installer in 11.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ED23719.4070109@ubuntu.com> On 27/11/11 11:15, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Good morning, > > I was reading > http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/24/ubuntu-12-04-accessibility-plans/ and > am curious if it is possible to install Ubuntu 11.10 using speech > synthesis, with any degree of ease / reliability? If not, is an actual > usable / accessible installer for the blind part of the plan for 12.04? > > yes, it is possible. Put the live CD in, and press ctrl+s when you hear the drums, that will start Orca, and focus will be on the orca window, alt+tab to switch to the installer window and from there you can run a live session or go through the install. It is a bit clunky in places and we plan for it to be better in 12.04 Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From lists at zufelt.ca Sun Nov 27 11:12:40 2011 From: lists at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:12:40 -0500 Subject: Accessibility of installer in 11.10 Message-ID: Good morning, I was reading http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/24/ubuntu-12-04-accessibility-plans/ and am curious if it is possible to install Ubuntu 11.10 using speech synthesis, with any degree of ease / reliability? If not, is an actual usable / accessible installer for the blind part of the plan for 12.04? Thanks, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sun Nov 27 22:21:51 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:21:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Accessibility of installer in 11.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most of the time your best bet will be to get a good ks.cfg file and use that to install ubuntu rather than trying to muck around with the installers. Those are available on the web specifically for ubuntu too. The problem with ks.cfg or kickstart is that it's not documented well so getting ubuntu to find your ks.cfg file on a floppy disk inserted into what would be a: in dos or /dev/fd0 or /floppy in Linux depending on aliases in place might be a bit difficult. If a system has accessibility one could put a line like aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav in the %post% section of the ks.cfg file which tells the system to play a sound file so you know it's finished installing the software. Then you could remove the floppy reboot the system and say hit control-s and log in after that. The thing with a ks.cfg file is you get the file to answer all questions the ubuntu installer will ask ahead of time, so when it works it's a stick disk in machine turn the machine on and forget about the machine for a couple hours while everything installs and then your sound file plays. Nice thing about ks.cfg files is that anyone with an ascii text editor can make one if you get the format right and put a valid ubuntu mirror url into it to go and install the system's updates after everything on the live-cd or live-dvd gets installed by the ks.cfg file. It takes a little more study, but then you don't always have to be hampered by less than perfect accessibility in the installer. On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Good morning, > > I was reading http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/24/ubuntu-12-04-accessibility-plans/ and am curious if it is possible to install Ubuntu 11.10 using speech synthesis, with any degree of ease / reliability? If not, is an actual usable / accessible installer for the blind part of the plan for 12.04? > > Thanks, > Everett Zufelt > http://zufelt.ca > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jude From jhernandez at emergya.es Wed Nov 30 09:49:47 2011 From: jhernandez at emergya.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Hern=E1ndez_Ant=FAnez?=) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:49:47 +0100 Subject: Accessibility of the libre! workstation event Message-ID: Hi folks! Maybe this announcement is a little late for some reasons, but, still (more) good reasons too for to do this right now! As a brief resume, the Accessibility of the libre! workstation it's a one-day event that will take place at Granada, Spain on 30th November 2011. This event will gather companies like Igalia, BJ-adaptaciones, Indisys, Eneso, Crea-SI, and Emergya, with r&d labs at the Granada University and floss-friendly foundations in Andalusia. The program has been designed in order to deal some issues about free accessibility, discussing about the state-of-the-art of the a11y on the workstation using free software. We're hoping on to generate some papers about talks with conclusions, facts, etc. We have a wiki page [1] for the event and we're going to update it with all generated content and so on. Addingly, you can follow the event by streaming [2] Best regards! [1]: https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/WorkstationA11y2011 [2]: http://t.co/KyI2cR1w -- Javier Hernández Antúnez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For this reason we recommend the use of brightness checker, Immediately after you have completed the settings. Please use the page of the book most typical of the whole text. 3. Number of pages. one can set the number of pages to be scanned in advance using settings menu. 4. Scan with full auto rotation feature is made faster and efficient. 5. Audio converter now has language selection. 6. Settings wizard is now changed to single window. 7. Easy-ocr will now appear in the Graphics Menu. How to use EASY-OCR One can use easy-ocr in two ways. first one is to scan and produce text from the program itself and second one is to produce the text from the folder containing image. in order to start scanning using the program, please follow the steps given below. Setting the scanner Go to graphics menu and enter easy-ocr. Then enter the settings and give the values for number of pages to be scanned, Time between repeated scanning, resolution, brightness or threshold, scan area, language and engine. In order to listen to the values entered press the say button and press apply button to save the new settings. if you want to continue with the old settings please press continue with existing button. In the settings. All the changes you have made in the settings will be kept until further changes are made. Scanning Now go to easy-ocr menu and select either scan or scan with full auto rotation. in the scan mode, the program will ask for the file name. after entering the filename select the rotation mode. if you are sure of the angle in witch you have kept the book , select the manual mode and check the degree of rotation. if you are not sure of the angle, please select the automatic mode and scanning will be done in order to determine the rotation needed. then the rotation selected will be kept and you have to start from the first page itself.be careful not to change the angle kept in the beginning. after each scanning, the page number will be announced and after hearing one, you can press add button and start reading along with scanning. if you are totally unaware of the angle in witch the papers are kept, you can select full auto rotation mode. here also after hearing one, you can start reading by pressing add button. the text produced by these two modes will be saved in documents unless you change the directory. if you are in need of continuing the file, you can select the same file and the text will be appended to the old one. The most preferable mode is the SCAN mode and Scan with full auto rotation may be used for bundle of papers which are not knit. Remember that only the CUNEIFORM can work with all 24 languages and other engine can handle English After the text has appeared and started reading, you will have to press alt plus tab to get back to easy-ocr window. >From folder Now one can convert images saved in the folders in to text by using the folder option.if you are not in a position to use the easy-ocr, you can use any scanning program to produce the images. this option will support png, jpeg, jpg, tiff, tif, pnm, pdf formats. select the folder option and enter. now you will have to select the folder, format of the image,rotation mode, saving folder.etc. if you are sure of the angle in witch the images are kept you can select manual mode, and if you are not sure of the angle, you can select automatic mode. in the automatic mode, all the images will be converted, as in the angle of the first image. in the full auto rotation mode, we are not to be concerned of the angles. Be careful to name the folder or files inside without a space between the characters If there is one, please rename it. Audio conversion there is facility for converting text in to wav files. just enter the audio conversion mode and select the folder containing the text to be converted and give the values in the window shone. Stop all process One can stop all scanning process by entering the stop-all-process Brightness checker. In order to determine the brightness to be used, please select a page of the book to be scanned and enter the brightness checker. there is auto rotation facility here. Now the scanning will start and there are 2 phases. in the primary level, four to six scanning will be done and in the second stage, ten more . in each stage, the program will announce the number of words found at different brightness levels. after the checking, the value will be added to the settings automatically. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 22:35:38 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:35:38 -0500 Subject: Menus not speaking in Oneiric Message-ID: <4ED6AFBA.7040104@gmail.com> Hi Most times, in most applications, Orca will not read the menus, whether activated by a press of 'f10', or by hitting a shortcut that should activate a menu. For instance, in Firefox, if I use 'f10', Orca says "file label", but, moving the cursor up or down is silent. The restof the top row will speak, for instance "edit lable", "view label"... When I get to the Unity menus, such as "session", orca says nothing. Note, from my subject, this stuff is, sometimes, spoken and working as it should. I am using the Orca that is supplied on the Oneiric installation 32-bit desktop live cd. I have added the Extra A11y ppa to my sources. Following this, I updated my system with: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade What else do I need to do in order to enable this accessibility? Note: I did the installation by enabling speech when the cd started, so, should be running Unity 2d? Thanks for your help, Dave Hunt