From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Sep 7 05:53:34 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 07:53:34 +0200 Subject: What accessibility services support LightDM login manager? Message-ID: <4E6706DE.7030403@pickup.hu> Hy, LightDm login manager what accessibility services are supporting now? When my wife look in Oneiric alpha2 or alpha 3 the LightDm accessibility settings, if I remember right LightDm supports large font accessibility service (hopefuly I remember right). Happened any change since alpha 3 with LightDm accessibility services supporting? For example, final Oneiric release LightDm login manager will be supporting accessible login feature for screen reader support, similar with GDM? If not, possible replacing LightDm to GDM login manager after installation, or a modified live CD? for example new accessibility handle casper module supports both two login managers? Attila From apinheiro at igalia.com Wed Sep 7 15:38:43 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:38:43 +0200 Subject: What accessibility services support LightDM login manager? In-Reply-To: <4E6706DE.7030403@pickup.hu> References: <4E6706DE.7030403@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E679003.4060604@igalia.com> Some months ago, when LightDM developers proposed LightDM as a official GNOME module, accessibility was also a question: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00264.html And taking into account last question from Robert Ancell (LightDM developer), it seems that at that moment it was not really accessible: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00487.html You could try to contact Robert Ancell directly, to check if things have improved since May. BR On 09/07/2011 07:53 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > LightDm login manager what accessibility services are supporting now? > When my wife look in Oneiric alpha2 or alpha 3 the LightDm > accessibility settings, if I remember right LightDm supports large > font accessibility service (hopefuly I remember right). > Happened any change since alpha 3 with LightDm accessibility services > supporting? > For example, final Oneiric release LightDm login manager will be > supporting accessible login feature for screen reader support, similar > with GDM? > If not, possible replacing LightDm to GDM login manager after > installation, or a modified live CD? > for example new accessibility handle casper module supports both two > login managers? > > Attila > -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 7 22:29:19 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:29:19 +1000 Subject: What accessibility services support LightDM login manager? In-Reply-To: <4E679003.4060604@igalia.com> References: <4E6706DE.7030403@pickup.hu> <4E679003.4060604@igalia.com> Message-ID: <20110907222919.GA4220@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 01:38:43AM EST, Piñeiro wrote: > Some months ago, when LightDM developers proposed LightDM as a official > GNOME module, accessibility was also a question: > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00264.html > > And taking into account last question from Robert Ancell (LightDM > developer), it seems that at that moment it was not really accessible: > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00487.html > > You could try to contact Robert Ancell directly, to check if things have > improved since May. I was working with Robert on accessibility for the greeter that Ubuntu will be using in Oneiric. He has added the enabling and launching of accessibility services, as well as improved accessibility of he greeter itself. When lightdm is used, accessibility is the domain of the greeter, so it is certainly possible that greeters for lightdm do not support any accessibility at all. Luke From guyster104 at att.net Wed Sep 7 23:50:14 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:50:14 -0400 Subject: starting orca on oneiric In-Reply-To: <20110907222919.GA4220@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4E6706DE.7030403@pickup.hu> <4E679003.4060604@igalia.com> <20110907222919.GA4220@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4E680336.1020500@att.net> Hi all, I have a question concerning getting orca started in Oneiric. After I installed the latest package updates, I rebooted, logged in and when I launched Orca, I was able to get through the setup, and accessibility was finally enabled. Now when I log out and back in, I get no speech. Is there something I'm not doing? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Guy From guyster104 at att.net Wed Sep 7 23:53:44 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:53:44 -0400 Subject: starting orca on oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E680336.1020500@att.net> References: <4E6706DE.7030403@pickup.hu> <4E679003.4060604@igalia.com> <20110907222919.GA4220@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E680336.1020500@att.net> Message-ID: <4E680408.1010902@att.net> One more thought, is there an easy way to choose unity 2d to see if that yields any better results? On 09/07/2011 07:50 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, I have a question concerning getting orca started in Oneiric. > After I installed the latest package updates, I rebooted, logged in > and when I launched Orca, I was able to get through the setup, and > accessibility was finally enabled. Now when I log out and back in, I > get no speech. Is there something I'm not doing? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > From ptorpey at rochester.rr.com Thu Sep 8 00:45:47 2011 From: ptorpey at rochester.rr.com (Peter torpey) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 20:45:47 -0400 Subject: Vinux featured on ViewPoints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003801cc6dc0$a66495e0$f32dc1a0$@rr.com> I thought some folks on this list might be interested to know that the Vinux project was recently featured on the ViewPoints radio show / podcast. ViewPoints is a weekly, half hour show that focuses on a wide range of topics of interest to people with low vision. Previous topics have included free screen readers, advanced features of JAWS, music performance and production, tips on vacationing and exercising, etc. You can learn more about ViewPoints as well as find links to the podcast, archived show and show notes, and more at the URL: www.ViewPointsPlus.net The episode which features Vinux is show #1136: ViewPoints 1136 9-7-2011 Vinux - accessible operating system Show Notes Hosts Peter Torpey and Nancy Goodman Torpey devote this entire show to Vinux, a fully accessible and easy to use computer operating system. Besides describing how it works, they interview two of its creators and explain how you can get involved in follow-on improvements, updates and upgrades. Enjoy! --Pete Check out ViewPoints A weekly, half hour radio program for people living with low vision Find out more about the show and links to the podcasts at: www.ViewPointsPlus.net Send suggestions or comments to: contact at ViewPointsPlus.net From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Sep 8 04:50:37 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 06:50:37 +0200 Subject: starting orca on oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E680408.1010902@att.net> References: <4E6706DE.7030403@pickup.hu> <4E679003.4060604@igalia.com> <20110907222919.GA4220@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E680336.1020500@att.net> <4E680408.1010902@att.net> Message-ID: <4E68499D.40008@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, when I booted latest Oneiric daily live cd with access=v3 boot parameter, the GSettings related accessibility properties I think is not setted with casper a11y related module (/usr/bin/casper-a11y-enable script). Not happening this because dbus is not running when casper try setting the required GSettings properties? Required GSettings keys is following for example with blindness profile: org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled true, org.gnome.Empathy.conversation theme classic, org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility true, org.gnome.yelp show-cursor true When I launch manual Orca, presented Orca text setup. I answered all question. Because Orca doesn't logged out me automaticaly when setup process is finished, I restart manual LightDm login manager in console with following command: sudo service lightdm restart Unfortunately doesn't happen any changes. For example, if I looked Orca version number, I see only a "terminated" message. I try ask for example the org.gnome.desktop.applications screen-reader-enabled GSettings key, this GSettings key value is false. If I try manual set this GSettings key with true value, nothing changed. This is a known bug now, or changed the blindness profile required boot parameter and I not known right boot parameter? When I some months ago try doing a custom Oneiric live CD, I see chroot environment doesn't possible setting required GSettings keys. I think this key changes working only if I created the machine-id file with /var/lib/dbus directory with following command in chroot environment: dbus-uuidgen >var/lib/dbus/machine-id Attila From mj at mjw.se Sat Sep 10 19:48:20 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:48:20 +0200 Subject: writing the ubuntu boot.img to usb stick in opensolaris / open indiana Message-ID: <1315684100.1019.3.camel@openindiana> how to do From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Sep 14 04:57:57 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:57:57 +0200 Subject: starting orca on oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E68499D.40008@pickup.hu> References: <4E6706DE.7030403@pickup.hu> <4E679003.4060604@igalia.com> <20110907222919.GA4220@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E680336.1020500@att.net> <4E680408.1010902@att.net> <4E68499D.40008@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E703455.1060306@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, own purpose I tryed customize an oldest Oneiric live CD (date is 2011-09-07). I setted the active session with gnome-fallback session after I installed gnome-session-fallback package. Accessibility related configurations is proper setted when live CD is booted, because I putted required config directoryes and files with /etc/skel folder. The desktop is launched properly, but Orca 3.1.91 version can't start. In GNOME Terminal I see following error message: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gail" ** (orca:3714): WARNING **: Invalid object type create /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/module.py:123: Warning: cannot register existing type `EventType' wrapper = enum_register_new_gtype_and_add(info) ** (orca:3714): CRITICAL **: pyg_enum_add: assertion `typename != NULL' failed Cannot start Orca because it cannot connect to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has been set. ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Why can not possible connecting Orca with the desktop? Why not setting automaticaly with the DISPLAY environment with :0.0 variable? If I remember right, oldest releases this environment automaticaly setted. I not looked yet the latest available daily live CD, now downloading the latest iso. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Sep 14 10:00:15 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:00:15 +0200 Subject: Ubiquity inaccessibility problem with current Oneiric daily live CD Message-ID: <4E707B2F.8090700@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, Oneiric awailable gnome-orca package doesn't containing ubiquity related script? I try installing a current daily live CD based modified live CD, but Ubiquity installer some installation steps dialog parts is partialy or full inaccessible for Orca screen reader. For example, the second step dialog Orca only spokening the first check box, back button, next button. Because I only using screen reader and not see the screen, When I press TAB key after focused the first check box, Orca nothing spokening the second dialog control, and don't no what control are focuset after TAB key press. After I clicking next button with the second step dialog part, Orca flat review unable to review the screen, for example go to prewious line and go to next line flat review commands doesn't spokening any results. Because this problems happened, I don't want risk a data loss my phisical notebook partitions. My notebook unfortunately doesn't support for example KVM virtualization, and now not have sighted assistance to install a testing system. This experienced results is changing for final Ubuntu 11.10 release? Have an accessibility milestone for Ubiquity installer related this development cicle, and what percentage of this milestone? Prewious I very like for example with Lucid awailable installer, because all dialog steps are accessible with Orca. Attila From phillw at ubuntu.com Sat Sep 17 00:15:55 2011 From: phillw at ubuntu.com (Phill Whiteside) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:15:55 +0100 Subject: Long time, no reply Message-ID: Hi, I did ask that the accessify people have a look at the request for back in July 2010. http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16362 I have a recent reply to it, regarding the actual wiki area and accessibility. It is at http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=81358#81358 I "crossed swords" with them previously, but once peace broke out I have found them an excellent resource. Please do feel more than free to log-on and discuss things with them. The areas he brings up are well worth considering, those people actually do test. I hope that his comments are read as helpful and not inflamoritory. They are rather curt on their comments, but factually correct. Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at mur.org.uk Sun Sep 18 14:05:41 2011 From: rob at mur.org.uk (Robert Murray) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:05:41 +0100 Subject: orca, capslock in 11.04 In-Reply-To: <20110726233722.GA17292@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <1310154382.9221.1.camel@debian> <20110708145501.1b70cd5f@teamcharliesangels.com> <1310158647.28285.0.camel@debian> <4E2E6282.6070607@rustytelephone.net> <20110726233722.GA17292@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <20110918140540.GB2997@mur.org.uk> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 09:37:22AM +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote: > Yes, this problem is known, however nobody knows how to fix it yet, probably because nobody is looking. I'd like ot try and address this ASAP, so intend to try and find some time to dig deeper into this problem that is also affecting Ubuntu 11.10. If a fix is found, 11.04 will be given the fix also. > Is there any progress on this issue? I would investigate, but I don't know where to start. Regards Robbie From guyster104 at att.net Mon Sep 19 20:40:43 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:40:43 -0400 Subject: well I'm making progress ... sort of Message-ID: <4E77A8CB.2070301@att.net> Hi all, I know I have written before about inability to use orca on Ubuntu Oneiric, and I know it is probably being heavily worked on. I am making a little progress though. When in Unity 2d, I can now browse the launcher and dash with Orca. Glad to see the dash actually speaking, and love how Orca now says what's running and not. Only problem is, when I launch something like Firefox, gnome-terminal or a libreoffice program, I do not have access to that application. Is there something in my system that may be wrong? If so, any help would be greatly appreciated to figure out what it may be. If not, I'll just keep installing the updates as they come in, and hopefully some day, we will have lift-off. Thanks much in advance for any tips or suggestions, and keep up the good work. Guy P.S. When I am in unity 3d, I still do not have access to launcher or dash with Orca. From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Sep 20 04:42:05 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:42:05 +0200 Subject: well I'm making progress ... sort of In-Reply-To: <4E77A8CB.2070301@att.net> References: <4E77A8CB.2070301@att.net> Message-ID: <4E78199D.3040800@pickup.hu> Hy, I confirm this issue, I see similar problem too. Gui, I only possible to resolve this type problem with following workaround for Firefox and Libreoffice related: In terminal I setted the old /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility gconf key with true value with following command: gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true After logout and logging back, Firefox are accessible, Libreoffice working. I don't understand following think: New GNOME3 and Orca using gsettings to determine accessibility support are enabled or not. Possible other apps (for example Firefox and Libreoffice) need the old gconf setting to set with true value? I have got a question for indicators related for Unity 2D and 3D, and GNOME fallback session with not officialy part of base installation: Now, how can possible using indicators (network, messages, etc) with Unity 2D and 3D? I tryed the Super+S key combination, but not help. I now using GNOME3 with GNOME Fallback session. Future will be awailable this session too the Natty release developed similar Indicator applets? I very like this function for Natty with classic GNOME interface. I found following bug for Indicator applet gtk3 porting related: https://launchpad.net/bugs/724369 Attila From apinheiro at igalia.com Tue Sep 20 15:43:29 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:43:29 +0200 Subject: well I'm making progress ... sort of In-Reply-To: <4E77A8CB.2070301@att.net> References: <4E77A8CB.2070301@att.net> Message-ID: <4E78B4A1.7090402@igalia.com> Hi, I'm the developer working on the accessibility support for Unity-3D. Some comments below. On 09/19/2011 10:40 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > > > Guy > P.S. When I am in unity 3d, I still do not have access to launcher or > dash with Orca. Odd, you should have access to the launcher. Launcher has a11y support since Natty. Anyway, we had one bug last week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/851103 That broke all the accessibility on Unity. As it was solved last week, probably it is not still on the oneiric packages. About the rest of the views, I have some Unity-3D a11y branches on my personal page: https://code.launchpad.net/~apinheiro They provide a11y support for the Dash and the Quicklist. And I'm also working right now to provide a11y support for the alt+tab app switcher. Unfortunately, I was not fast enough developing those branches, and if you take a look to the Oneiric Release Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule we are already on feature freeze. And those branches adds a lot of files and changes, so it would be really complex to be included on the final Ubuntu Oneiric release. My plan was provide a personal PPA (a Unity 3D version with those branches included) so the people could test them and provide feeback. Any other suggestion are welcome. Best regards -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From apinheiro at igalia.com Tue Sep 20 15:49:06 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:49:06 +0200 Subject: well I'm making progress ... sort of In-Reply-To: <4E78199D.3040800@pickup.hu> References: <4E77A8CB.2070301@att.net> <4E78199D.3040800@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E78B5F2.1060400@igalia.com> On 09/20/2011 06:42 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > > I confirm this issue, I see similar problem too. > Gui, I only possible to resolve this type problem with following > workaround for Firefox and Libreoffice related: > In terminal I setted the old /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > gconf key with true value with following command: > gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true > > After logout and logging back, Firefox are accessible, Libreoffice > working. I don't understand following think: > New GNOME3 and Orca using gsettings to determine accessibility support > are enabled or not. Possible other apps (for example Firefox and > Libreoffice) need the old gconf setting to set with true value? AFAIK, Oneiric is moving completely to gsettings. In fact moving from gconf to gsettings was one of the first bugs that we solved on Unity3D: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/810033 > > I have got a question for indicators related for Unity 2D and 3D, and > GNOME fallback session with not officialy part of base installation: > Now, how can possible using indicators (network, messages, etc) with > Unity 2D and 3D? I tryed the Super+S key combination, but not help. On Unity-3D (and I guess that also on Unity-2D) the keybinding to set the focus to the panel (where the indicators are present) is F10. You can see the full list of keybindings here: www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html Anyway, we had one bug with the F10 keybinding: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/839628 that was solved, but recently, so not sure if they are already on current oneiric packages. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From guyster104 at att.net Wed Sep 21 01:49:27 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:49:27 -0400 Subject: well I'm making progress ... sort of In-Reply-To: <4E78199D.3040800@pickup.hu> References: <4E77A8CB.2070301@att.net> <4E78199D.3040800@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E7942A7.40401@att.net> Hi there Atilla, and thanks for the tip. Unfortunately though, it didn't work. One thing I've also noticed is that even in the orca preferences box, and terminal, I have absolutely no speech. I hear Orca say "starting Orca Preferences", and that's it. Oh yeah, it'll also say goodbye to me when I quit Orca. From what I can tell so far from exploring in 2d, I am impressed with the way Unity is shaping up accessibility wise. Will the recent fixes to last week's Unity bug be merged soon? I really hope soon I can get back to a usable system, where I can use more than just the launcher and dash. Again, thanks for the help. Thanks, Guy On 09/20/2011 12:42 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I confirm this issue, I see similar problem too. > Gui, I only possible to resolve this type problem with following > workaround for Firefox and Libreoffice related: > In terminal I setted the old /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility > gconf key with true value with following command: > gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true > > After logout and logging back, Firefox are accessible, Libreoffice > working. I don't understand following think: > New GNOME3 and Orca using gsettings to determine accessibility support > are enabled or not. Possible other apps (for example Firefox and > Libreoffice) need the old gconf setting to set with true value? > > I have got a question for indicators related for Unity 2D and 3D, and > GNOME fallback session with not officialy part of base installation: > Now, how can possible using indicators (network, messages, etc) with > Unity 2D and 3D? I tryed the Super+S key combination, but not help. > I now using GNOME3 with GNOME Fallback session. Future will be > awailable this session too the Natty release developed similar > Indicator applets? I very like this function for Natty with classic > GNOME interface. > I found following bug for Indicator applet gtk3 porting related: > https://launchpad.net/bugs/724369 > > Attila > From gErvin at cableone.net Wed Sep 21 13:56:09 2011 From: gErvin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:56:09 -0500 Subject: When will Ubuntu be usable again? Message-ID: <57080499ACF34A58BA036DD08437A3AC@your2c061f0461> Hi, I had installed Ubuntu 11.04 about a month back, and had nothing but trouble. I have since been looking into another distro using Orca. I tried the classic desktop when I tried the new Ubuntu, and it did not help. I don't want to download patches, so I am wondering how long I will have to wait until I can download a working version of Ubuntu? Looks like some folks are trying to make it work. How did a version like this get released in the first place? I sure don't know what was wrong with the classic desktop anyway. But I do appreciate those trying to make it work again. Glenn From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Wed Sep 21 15:58:35 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:58:35 +0200 Subject: Thanks letter for all Accessibility engaged developers from Canonical LTD Message-ID: <4E7A09AB.3060806@seznam.cz> Dear developers, I would like to use this opportunity and i would like to deeply appreciate Yours long term work related to Ubuntu accessibility. You are The good example, that new user interfaces and new software technology can be developed for handicapped and also for non handicapped users. I would like to thank MR Yelavich for his outstanding programmers work, because i know, that working on accessibility is not his only one working activity for Canonical. His role is very complex, because he must make a balance, so accessibility for visually impaired users can not be in The conflicts with user interface plans of Canonical LTD. I Am patient and eventhough i AM helpless to try latest Ubuntu builds myself, i have tried The build from Monday and also Beta1, i know, that MR Yelavich is doing his best to bring The accessible Ubuntu for visually impaired users as soon as possible. CTRL+S is not running Orca at all. I have tried it with build from Monday for The several time, even boot option access=v3 is not helping me. Even triing to stop light display manager service by using earlier post from very kind and intelligent MR Attia is not working, it worked probably for Alpha 1 sudo service lightdm stop SO i AM looking forward to BETA2 release, i believe, that this release will be awailable in The first week of next month. There are very probably some complex steps which are necessary to complete to use Orca successfully. But from Console, Orca is working, So ammazing fact is, That speech-dispatcher and Pulseaudio are working ammazingly and smoothly without issues. From apinheiro at igalia.com Thu Sep 22 10:53:35 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:53:35 +0200 Subject: well I'm making progress ... sort of In-Reply-To: <4E7AD2C8.1070602@gmail.com> References: <4E77A8CB.2070301@att.net> <4E78B4A1.7090402@igalia.com> <4E7AD2C8.1070602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E7B13AF.80107@igalia.com> On 09/22/2011 08:16 AM, Burt Henry wrote: > please do, as long as it is out there, we can get the word out about > your ppa. The only problem is the new blink-Ubuntu tester who has no > clue about this list, the various specialty sub- distros like Vinux, > F123, etc, and just assumes that the newest will be the best. (I > probably won't be running 3d Unity till I get a new laptop, maybe for > Penguin...lol...) The last part of your sentence explains it really well "assumes that the newest will be best". That schedule defined by Canonical was created for a reason. A collateral effect of those branches not being ready for the feature-freeze is also that it those branches will not have that beta-testing period. That schedule defined by Canonical was created for a reason. They define a feature freeze, in order to have a proper stabilization process after it. People deserve a11y features properly implemented, tested and stabilized. If something is including on a Ubuntu release, means that was properly implemented and tested. Take into account that in my original mail I didn't say "so the people could use them", I said "so the people could test it". And said so, thanks for your interest. > B.H. > (happy Lucid and Maverick user who dabbles in to natty > > > On 09/20/2011 10:43 AM, Piñeiro wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm the developer working on the accessibility support for Unity-3D. >> Some comments below. >> >> On 09/19/2011 10:40 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: >>> >>> Guy >>> P.S. When I am in unity 3d, I still do not have access to launcher or >>> dash with Orca. >> Odd, you should have access to the launcher. Launcher has a11y support >> since Natty. Anyway, we had one bug last week: >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/851103 >> >> That broke all the accessibility on Unity. As it was solved last week, >> probably it is not still on the oneiric packages. >> >> About the rest of the views, I have some Unity-3D a11y branches on my >> personal page: >> >> https://code.launchpad.net/~apinheiro >> >> They provide a11y support for the Dash and the Quicklist. And I'm also >> working right now to provide a11y support for the alt+tab app switcher. >> >> Unfortunately, I was not fast enough developing those branches, and if >> you take a look to the Oneiric Release Schedule: >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule >> >> we are already on feature freeze. And those branches adds a lot of files >> and changes, so it would be really complex to be included on the final >> Ubuntu Oneiric release. >> >> My plan was provide a personal PPA (a Unity 3D version with those >> branches included) so the people could test them and provide feeback. >> >> Any other suggestion are welcome. >> >> Best regards >> >> > -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From hickster711 at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 12:11:11 2011 From: hickster711 at gmail.com (Bob H.) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:11:11 -0400 Subject: When will Ubuntu be usable again? Message-ID: This is not going to help, but I make it a practice to stay one distro behind. Right now 10.10 is working fine. Bob H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From milton at tomaatnet.nl Fri Sep 23 05:44:57 2011 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:44:57 +0200 Subject: Orca admin tasks in 11.04 Message-ID: <46B9CD6FA587452F8103DE0DA6F4C6EE@milton> HI, I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 11.04 and log in with GNOME Classic. I start up Orca and it works fine. But when I start Synaptic Orca refuse to speak. Even when I start Synaptic in a terminal with sudo synaptic. What or how can I do to solve this? Thanks in advance. Milton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Sep 23 07:04:43 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:04:43 +0200 Subject: I experience very positive results with new QT Accessibility Bridge related with Skype Message-ID: <4E7C2F8B.6040009@pickup.hu> Hy, I sending this letter both this list and Orca list. I looked how works new QT accessibility bridge for example with Skype, and I experienced very positive results and good progress, thank you everybody hard work with working QT accessibility. I using Orca Screen reader, and don't have sighted assistance when I tested Skype with the new QT accessibility bridge, so if I determining wrong a Skype dialog control or test result, excuse me everybody. First, I installed with Canonical Oneiric partner repository awailable Skype package (2.2.0-35-0-Oneiric1) my Oneiric testing system. Because this version unfortunately now crashed when I try log in, I installed the Natty partner repository awailable Skype package version. Unfortunately, when I try reporting the Oneiric version produced crash (core is created), Apport says this package is not original package. Look what happened if I start the Natty awailable Skype version. First, presenting the login screen, with I see a combo box, an edit box, a checkbox, an unlabelled button and a sign in button, Orca wonderful read every control label with login dialog. The combobox control real possible writing my Skype username, Backspace delete echoing now yet not working, but this is now not matter. After I logged in succesfuly, I see my contacts I think with a table when I tabbed the contacts area. Orca default table reading preference (row reading) doesn't spokening right yet the actual highligted contact name, so I turn table reading with actual cell. After this, Orca wonderful spokening highlighted contact and presenting braille the highlighted contacts related informations. Every selected contact related task possible choose if I activating context menue with general method. I experienced a very interesting problem when I try make a call with a selected contact: First, I verify Orca where am I command what the selected contact with I would like call. Because Orca tells me the contact is correct, I choosed the context menue with start call menu item. I don't no why, but Skype I think want call an other contact, or Orca spokening different contact name with Skype want calling, I am not full sure this result without sighted assistance. I using only Up or Down arrow keys when selected a want calling contact. Temporary workaround I possible call wanted contact if I press my contact name beginning letter, and after this I choosed the start cal menu item with the context menue. If anybody want customizing Skype related preferences, this is possible if tabbing the Main Menu button, and activating the SPACE key. In Skype the general F10 main menu opening key command doesn't working. In main menu need choosing Options menu item. In options dialog the preference sections possible accessible if anybody using UP or DOWN arrow keys. Have some combo boxes the options dialog with Orca not possible provide accessibility informations yet. I possible full customize my important Skype settings, possible doing a test call to verify my microphone to work, etc. Now, entire Skype window Orca flat review commands doesn't provide informations, possible this problem is will be not happening with other QT toolkit based applications. If anybody want customizing with Orca related preferences for Skype with Orca application-settings preference dialog, this is possible, but Orca will create a None.py file in the .local/share/orca/app-settings directory. This is happening I think because Skype doesn't provide appname related information for Orca. . So, my experiences is very positive. I newer see for Skype for Linux UI interface, and very wayt this time when possible using Skype only with Orca without extra plugins for example with Pidgin. If this type problems possible fixing with next LTS release, we don't need for example with Skype4pidgin plugin to access Skype contacts and making Skype calls. I would like thank you all developers hard work with contributing this new accessible bridge development. Hopefuly my test results help the developers work with future, Attila From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Fri Sep 23 07:18:51 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:18:51 +0200 Subject: Orca admin tasks in 11.04 In-Reply-To: <46B9CD6FA587452F8103DE0DA6F4C6EE@milton> References: <46B9CD6FA587452F8103DE0DA6F4C6EE@milton> Message-ID: <4E7C32DB.7070204@seznam.cz> Dear syr, It is necessary to install Ubuntu 11.04 by starting The live CD by using BLindness profile, press Enter twice, press F5 and press number three. Alternatively, place The access=v3 Bootparamether to The text.cfg located in The isolinux subfolder. From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Fri Sep 23 07:20:50 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:20:50 +0200 Subject: I experience very positive results with new QT Accessibility Bridge related with Skype In-Reply-To: <4E7C2F8B.6040009@pickup.hu> References: <4E7C2F8B.6040009@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E7C3352.9090209@seznam.cz> Dear syr, this is ammazing, but would You tell me, how YOu can use latest Ubuntu with Orca? If You have allready described it to The mailing list, please would You tell me The direct link to Yours description? Or did You installed Ubuntu ALpha first and You have performed upgrades systematically and this is The reason, why You can use latest Ubuntu builds? Thank You very much. From frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com Fri Sep 23 10:52:22 2011 From: frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com (Frederik Gladhorn) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:52:22 +0200 Subject: I experience very positive results with new QT Accessibility Bridge related with Skype In-Reply-To: <4E7C2F8B.6040009@pickup.hu> References: <4E7C2F8B.6040009@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <201109231252.22379.frederik.gladhorn@nokia.com> Hi Attila, thanks for your report, this is really encouraging me to keep working on the bridge. The problem with lists that you report should hopefully be fixed in the next Qt version (4.8.0) where the handling of lists and tables is rewritten. I still expect some troubles with trees. Greetings Frederik Friday 23. September 2011 09.04.43 skrev ext Hammer Attila : > Hy, > > I sending this letter both this list and Orca list. > I looked how works new QT accessibility bridge for example with Skype, > and I experienced very positive results and good progress, thank you > everybody hard work with working QT accessibility. I using Orca Screen > reader, and don't have sighted assistance when I tested Skype with the > new QT accessibility bridge, so if I determining wrong a Skype dialog > control or test result, excuse me everybody. > > First, I installed with Canonical Oneiric partner repository awailable > Skype package (2.2.0-35-0-Oneiric1) my Oneiric testing system. > Because this version unfortunately now crashed when I try log in, I > installed the Natty partner repository awailable Skype package version. > Unfortunately, when I try reporting the Oneiric version produced crash > (core is created), Apport says this package is not original package. > > Look what happened if I start the Natty awailable Skype version. > First, presenting the login screen, with I see a combo box, an edit box, > a checkbox, an unlabelled button and a sign in button, Orca wonderful > read every control label with login dialog. The combobox control real > possible writing my Skype username, Backspace delete echoing now yet not > working, but this is now not matter. > After I logged in succesfuly, I see my contacts I think with a table > when I tabbed the contacts area. Orca default table reading preference > (row reading) doesn't spokening right yet the actual highligted contact > name, so I turn table reading with actual cell. After this, Orca > wonderful spokening highlighted contact and presenting braille the > highlighted contacts related informations. > Every selected contact related task possible choose if I activating > context menue with general method. > > I experienced a very interesting problem when I try make a call with a > selected contact: > First, I verify Orca where am I command what the selected contact with I > would like call. Because Orca tells me the contact is correct, I choosed > the context menue with start call menu item. I don't no why, but Skype I > think want call an other contact, or Orca spokening different contact > name with Skype want calling, I am not full sure this result without > sighted assistance. I using only Up or Down arrow keys when selected a > want calling contact. > Temporary workaround I possible call wanted contact if I press my > contact name beginning letter, and after this I choosed the start cal > menu item with the context menue. > > If anybody want customizing Skype related preferences, this is possible > if tabbing the Main Menu button, and activating the SPACE key. In Skype > the general F10 main menu opening key command doesn't working. In main > menu need choosing Options menu item. > In options dialog the preference sections possible accessible if anybody > using UP or DOWN arrow keys. Have some combo boxes the options dialog > with Orca not possible provide accessibility informations yet. > I possible full customize my important Skype settings, possible doing a > test call to verify my microphone to work, etc. > Now, entire Skype window Orca flat review commands doesn't provide > informations, possible this problem is will be not happening with other > QT toolkit based applications. > > If anybody want customizing with Orca related preferences for Skype with > Orca application-settings preference dialog, this is possible, but Orca > will create a None.py file in the .local/share/orca/app-settings > directory. This is happening I think because Skype doesn't provide > appname related information for Orca. . > > So, my experiences is very positive. I newer see for Skype for Linux UI > interface, and very wayt this time when possible using Skype only with > Orca without extra plugins for example with Pidgin. If this type > problems possible fixing with next LTS release, we don't need for > example with Skype4pidgin plugin to access Skype contacts and making > Skype calls. > > I would like thank you all developers hard work with contributing this > new accessible bridge development. > Hopefuly my test results help the developers work with future, > > Attila From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Fri Sep 23 11:40:12 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:40:12 +0200 Subject: Ubunt build from 22.9.2011 is working officially with Orca support Message-ID: <4E7C701C.9000808@seznam.cz> Dear users, I would liketo inform You, that You can run Ubuntu live CD, Uuntu11.10 with Orca support. You must download one ofThe daily buids from here http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ You can burn it to A CD or You can alternatively use The Universal USB installer for Windows with ammazingly accessible GUI downloadable from here. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/downloads/Universal-USB-Installer/Universal-USB-Installer-1.8.6.4.exe You must run The .exe program and accept The licence conditions Select The choice Try The unlisted Linux (new syslinux). To simply activate this choice, press The end key in The supported distributions list. Choose The free USB flashdrive letter, check The format button if necessary and activate The next button. Confirm The dialog box, that You want to install to this drive and patiently wait. When installation will be finished, You will The USB boot live flash drive and You will have The chance to use boot menu like booting from The CD. So press Enter key twice, press F5 and press three number, not on The numeric keypad but on The uppest keyboard row. Press Enter may be once or twice and wait patiently. After Ubuntu login welcome sound, You will hear The welcome to Orca message. Wanring! You will have access only to The icons on The desktop, i can not determine how to access The applications list menu, but it will be probably ready later. Also ALT+F2 dialog is now inaccessible, but may be, that BETA2 release will support it better or RC release. So i would like to thank all engaged developer for official accessibility support. From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Sep 23 12:03:03 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:03:03 +0200 Subject: I experience very positive results with new QT Accessibility Bridge related with Skype In-Reply-To: <201109231252.22379.frederik.gladhorn@nokia.com> References: <4E7C2F8B.6040009@pickup.hu> <201109231252.22379.frederik.gladhorn@nokia.com> Message-ID: <4E7C7577.1070808@pickup.hu> Hy Frederik, Thank you your answer. If need help the testing with new QT development version after 4.8.0 release, I welcome try testing development version if a PPA awailable the development version. Future need reporting you the bugs for QT accessibility bridge related, or have a bug tracker this bridge? I wish you good work, Attila From frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com Fri Sep 23 13:34:45 2011 From: frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com (Frederik Gladhorn) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:34:45 +0200 Subject: I experience very positive results with new QT Accessibility Bridge related with Skype In-Reply-To: <4E7C7577.1070808@pickup.hu> References: <4E7C2F8B.6040009@pickup.hu> <201109231252.22379.frederik.gladhorn@nokia.com> <4E7C7577.1070808@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <201109231534.45640.frederik.gladhorn@nokia.com> The best place for bugs is the Qt bug tracker. https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com Cheers Frederik Friday 23. September 2011 14.03.03 skrev ext Hammer Attila : > Hy Frederik, > > Thank you your answer. > If need help the testing with new QT development version after 4.8.0 > release, I welcome try testing development version if a PPA awailable > the development version. > Future need reporting you the bugs for QT accessibility bridge related, > or have a bug tracker this bridge? > > I wish you good work, > > Attila From milton at tomaatnet.nl Fri Sep 23 19:39:22 2011 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 21:39:22 +0200 Subject: Orca admin tasks in 11.04 References: <46B9CD6FA587452F8103DE0DA6F4C6EE@milton> <4E7C32DB.7070204@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <06D427B3408849ACA1B38A97E31BC7F6@milton> Dear Sir, Many, many thanks. I did the blindness profile. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "Milton" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Orca admin tasks in 11.04 > Dear syr, > It is necessary to install Ubuntu 11.04 by starting The live CD by using > BLindness profile, press Enter twice, press F5 and press number three. > Alternatively, place The > access=v3 > Bootparamether to The text.cfg located in The isolinux subfolder. > From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Fri Sep 23 20:10:00 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:10:00 +0200 Subject: Orca admin tasks in 11.04 In-Reply-To: <06D427B3408849ACA1B38A97E31BC7F6@milton> References: <46B9CD6FA587452F8103DE0DA6F4C6EE@milton> <4E7C32DB.7070204@seznam.cz> <06D427B3408849ACA1B38A97E31BC7F6@milton> Message-ID: <4E7CE798.30601@seznam.cz> So does administrative applications work for You atleast from live CD? I will install 11.04 too The official release to determine, if there is some issue related to running administration tasks after installation. By The way, what about try to run This ammazing project? http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2.1/Vinux-3.2.1-i386-CD.iso It is ammazing Vinux project with Speakup integrated, Android text to speech engine compatible with Orca and optimized for The needs of visually impaired users. From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Sep 24 05:35:25 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 07:35:25 +0200 Subject: What happened with Orca in Oneiric Message-ID: <4E7D6C1D.1080907@pickup.hu> Hy, Yesterday early afternoon I installed all updates my testing Oneiric system from archive.ubuntu.com with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade command. After upgrade installation when I try launch Orca with orca --replace command, I see following error in terminal: root at hammera-laptop:/# orca --replace /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gobject/constants.py:24: Warning: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed import gobject._gobject /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:40: Warning: specified class size for type `PyGtkGenericCellRenderer' is smaller than the parent type's `GtkCellRenderer' class size from gtk import _gtk /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:40: Warning: g_type_get_qdata: assertion `node != NULL' failed from gtk import _gtk Segmentation fault root at hammera-laptop:/# Anybody experienced similar problem? Unfortunately I unable to send this problem with apport or apport-cli application, because no pending crash reports. Current daily live CD chroot filesystem is producing similar issues. Now I try downloading the prewious daily live CD. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Sep 24 05:43:30 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 07:43:30 +0200 Subject: What happened with Orca in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E7D6C1D.1080907@pickup.hu> References: <4E7D6C1D.1080907@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E7D6E02.9010507@pickup.hu> Hy, I downloading now with officialy beta2 live CD, because with cdimage.ubuntu.com the 2011-09-21-2 date daily live CD and current daily live CD created equals time. If I have test results, I reporting the list. Attila From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Sep 24 07:38:28 2011 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:38:28 +0200 Subject: Orca admin tasks in 11.04 References: <46B9CD6FA587452F8103DE0DA6F4C6EE@milton> <4E7C32DB.7070204@seznam.cz> <06D427B3408849ACA1B38A97E31BC7F6@milton> <4E7CE798.30601@seznam.cz> Message-ID: Yes, I can now work with synaptic, starting it from a terminal with sudo synaptic. Also from a terminal for example sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list. I will of course try Vinux 3.2.1 because 3.0.1 works great on my laptop, thanks for telling. Is it worthed to install Orca 3.1.91 on Ubuntu 11.04? If yes, do I need the xdesktop version? Thanks. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "Milton" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Orca admin tasks in 11.04 > So does administrative applications work for You atleast from live CD? > I will install 11.04 too The official release to determine, if there is > some issue related to running administration tasks after installation. > By The way, what about try to run This ammazing project? > > http://vinuxproject.org/Downloads/V3.2.1/Vinux-3.2.1-i386-CD.iso > It is ammazing Vinux project with Speakup integrated, Android text to > speech engine compatible with Orca and optimized for The needs of visually > impaired users. > From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Sep 24 07:54:46 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:54:46 +0200 Subject: What happened with Orca in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E7D6E02.9010507@pickup.hu> References: <4E7D6C1D.1080907@pickup.hu> <4E7D6E02.9010507@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E7D8CC6.5020506@pickup.hu> Hy, Sorry the wrong alarm, possible my installed system are corrupted. Beta2 works fine, I verifyed. Attila From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Sat Sep 24 08:11:10 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:11:10 +0200 Subject: What happened with Orca in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E7D8CC6.5020506@pickup.hu> References: <4E7D6C1D.1080907@pickup.hu> <4E7D6E02.9010507@pickup.hu> <4E7D8CC6.5020506@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E7D909E.3030506@seznam.cz> Yes, I have not been patient and i have tried to install Yesterdays daily build and i did not able to hear Orca after installation and when triing to run Orca from one of The virtual consoles, ihave got error message related to The fact, that some environment variable not set. But in live mode everythink worked fine, installer also, there was only complex issue for solving, that even when installation have been finished and installer did not do nothink complex, tasks which are comsuming extra of system resources, Espeak have spoken to me very cutterefed, it looks to me, that some threads of installers are blocking Pulseaudio or other subprocess of speech-dispatcher. Because of complexity of programmers relation ships between Python application Ubiquity and Orca, which is also written in Python, It seems to me, that The best would be to add new simple code to The Python Ubiquity installer, which will be able to generate some beep when every 1 procento will be increase in The installers proggress bar, and that it will be very safe to block at-spi calls by Orca while installing The system. Because manipulation with Orca flat rewieving algorithms while installing have been caused me The crash of installer even in previous official release of Ubuntu, i did not used Vinux remaster. Because it is very complex to create other modiffication of Espeak, which would be compatible with Gnomespeech library, so Ubuntu would contain Two Espeak. One would be nonvisible, compatible with Gnomespeech services, i mean by The word invisible, that this release of Espeak would be totally invisible by The debian packaging management system and second Espeak would be The version specially modified to be compatible with speech-dispatcher and Pulseaudio. I will experiment with Installer of previous release when Gnomespeech services will be used instead of speech-dispatcher. But bšefore constructing may be nonsenses, i will try The Beta2 build, which is now awailable. I will also Try to play with The Gnopernicus source code while using older Ubuntu release, it would be interesting to repair The bug which is causing Gnopernicus crash while Espeak is speaking and user is pressing next key, which is causing Gnopernicus to send other string to The Gnomespeech services. I AM afraid, that The future of The solution, which will prevent screen readers from randomly crashing while using complex Python applications will be The new Screen reader written completely in C language. This is only my phylosophical thinkink, i love Orca and i do not have nothink apposite it's ammazing algorithms, but i AM only triing to find The solution. Thank You very much, MR Yelavich for Yours complex programmers work related to The accessibility with Orca. From guyster104 at att.net Sun Sep 25 07:18:19 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:18:19 -0400 Subject: What happened with Orca in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E7D6E02.9010507@pickup.hu> References: <4E7D6C1D.1080907@pickup.hu> <4E7D6E02.9010507@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E7ED5BB.9020903@att.net> I just finished installing Oneiric on my laptop as an upgrade from a fresh Natty. I am happy to report that all is working with Orca and other applications. I'm observing the same as previously reported, pressing alt+f1 yields nothing, and the alt+f2 box (i.e. dash) also is not accessible. This could be largely due to the bug that currently has a fix committed though, so I am looking forward to that fix being released, for hopeful launcher accessibility. I would also love to test Alejandro's proposed PPA for dash and quicklist accessibility. This brings me to my next question. How do I narrow down what is missing from my other desktop system and preventing accessibility? For example, how do I know if accessibility modules are loaded, and proper key is set to correct value? I installed all updates on that system as well, and still hear nothing read in any application, including Orca's own preferences dialogue. Do I just need to reformat and fresh install with live CD, since it and my laptop are working beautifully? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and off to bed, Guy P.S. This E-mail was written concerning Unity 3d. I have not tried Unity 2d on Laptop yet. From guyster104 at att.net Sun Sep 25 18:32:20 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:32:20 -0400 Subject: What happened with Orca in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E7F4EAD.3000007@att.net> References: <4E7F4EAD.3000007@att.net> Message-ID: <4E7F73B4.4080902@att.net> OK, now the system that was running so beautifully after the upgrade is now in a setup loop. Every time I boot up, after doing nothing but shutting it down after writing this early morning's E-mail, I press alt+f2, type orca and press enter, I get "Welcome to orca setup." Then I have to play 20 questions all over again. Any ideas? What happened between shutting the system down, and restarting eight hours later? Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Guy On 9/25/2011 3:18 AM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > I just finished installing Oneiric on my laptop as an upgrade from a > fresh Natty. I am happy to report that all is working with Orca and > other applications. I'm observing the same as previously reported, > pressing alt+f1 yields nothing, and the alt+f2 box (i.e. dash) also is > not accessible. This could be largely due to the bug that currently > has a fix committed though, so I am looking forward to that fix being > released, for hopeful launcher accessibility. I would also love to > test Alejandro's proposed PPA for dash and quicklist accessibility. > This brings me to my next question. How do I narrow down what is > missing from my other desktop system and preventing accessibility? > For example, how do I know if accessibility modules are loaded, and > proper key is set to correct value? I installed all updates on that > system as well, and still hear nothing read in any application, > including Orca's own preferences dialogue. Do I just need to reformat > and fresh install with live CD, since it and my laptop are working > beautifully? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks and off to bed, > > > Guy > P.S. This E-mail was written concerning Unity 3d. I have not tried > Unity 2d on Laptop yet. > From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Sep 26 06:44:07 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:44:07 +0200 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: <20110502001816.GA4719@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> <4DBAC50C.4070307@pickup.hu> <20110502001816.GA4719@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4E801F37.20505@pickup.hu> Hy, I looked prewious week with Oneiric Ubiquity installer when I using Orca. For example, with manual partitioner Orca wonderful spokened the filesystem combo box with hungarian translated filesystem types, thank you very mutch the fix. When I experienced this positive result, I need installing my custom live CD with Orca master version, because Orca 3.1.91 version producing lot of unicode decode and encode traceback error messages with hungarian locale, see this bug with partialy fixed: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659122 I not looked yet Ubiquity installer with Orca 3.1.92 packaged version, of course this version containing too already the unicode decode and encode related committed fixes. If I remember right, when I looked Ubiquity installer with last week, Ubiquity GTK installer passed Orca with variable names for some Entryes, radio buttons, check boxes and buttons. for Orca. This type problem is already reported, or another non english locale users experienced similar issues? Possible fix entire this type problem before final Oneiric release, or need scheduling this problem fix with next Ubuntu LTS release development cicle? An absolute sure reproducation if you booting with Oneiric daily or beta2 live CD. When your screen presenting with Ubiquity main screen, you need press CTRL+S keystroke. After Orca screen reader started, switch back with Ubiquity installer, choose your wanted using language and tabbing for example with Try Ubuntu button. I hear "Try_ubuntu button button" button label. The first "try_ubuntu_button" label part I think the real variable name with this control, the second "button" part is the rolename with Orca spokening. Attila From mj at mjw.se Mon Sep 26 11:55:05 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:55:05 +0200 Subject: oneirc Message-ID: <1317038105.3183.1.camel@debian> have anyone be able to install oneirc with the alternate cd? i can't i allways get the error unable to determine codename for the release From alan.bell at libertus.co.uk Mon Sep 26 08:09:25 2011 From: alan.bell at libertus.co.uk (Alan Bell) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:09:25 +0100 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: <4E801F37.20505@pickup.hu> References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> <4DBAC50C.4070307@pickup.hu> <20110502001816.GA4719@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E801F37.20505@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E803335.1000307@libertus.co.uk> Hi Attila, the variable names on widgets is bug 781385 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/781385 which is infuriating because it was done deliberately to abuse the a11y features for automated testing - fine in itself, I think it is great that a11y interfaces are also used for testing, but not at the expense of breaking their intended purpose. I am going to try and get this un-broken. the problem with localization is Bug #851698 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+bug/851698 would be great if someone could confirm that Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From mj at mjw.se Tue Sep 27 00:53:12 2011 From: mj at mjw.se (mattias) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:53:12 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 11.10 Message-ID: <1317084792.2481.0.camel@debian> anyone using it sucessfully From macoafi at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 02:27:18 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:27:18 -0400 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: <4E803335.1000307@libertus.co.uk> References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> <4DBAC50C.4070307@pickup.hu> <20110502001816.GA4719@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E801F37.20505@pickup.hu> <4E803335.1000307@libertus.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Alan Bell wrote: > Hi Attila, > > the variable names on widgets is bug 781385 > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/781385 > > which is infuriating because it was done deliberately to abuse the a11y > features for automated testing - fine in itself, I think it is great that > a11y interfaces are also used for testing, but not at the expense of > breaking their intended purpose. I am going to try and get this un-broken. This one has been handled now. It'll only do the broken thing when run with a flag that means it's being run through automated testing. The accessibility hints in the .ui files will take over in the normal case. These aren't finished yet, but they're about halfway there thanks to Cheri Francis, whose patch I committed today. -- Mackenzie Morgan From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Sep 27 04:37:47 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:37:47 +0200 Subject: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization? In-Reply-To: References: <4DBA5D8D.4070106@pickup.hu> <4DBAC50C.4070307@pickup.hu> <20110502001816.GA4719@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E801F37.20505@pickup.hu> <4E803335.1000307@libertus.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E81531B.2040504@pickup.hu> Hy, Mackenzie, thank you the commit for bug 781385. Alan, I looked your other linked bug report with localization related. Can you possible write an example to how can possible testing you founded bug with hungarian language environment? In hungarian language environment all localized installer texts are Orca proper spokening, I experienced only this type GTK vidget variable names related issues prewious, with are will be resolving Mackenzie committed patch. Enough if I booting a full updated custom live CD if the Gfxboot logo is enabled, and navigate the language list with for example the Français language? Unfortunately, I doesn't talk Français, but if you write now what happening (for example Orca not spokening full the Français language independent the used speech sinth or for example the used Espeak voice), and what need happening if the bug is fixed, I welcome confirming your bug report. Attila From jdashiel at shellworld.net Tue Sep 27 16:55:00 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [orca-list] What happened with Orca in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E7F73B4.4080902@att.net> References: <4E7F4EAD.3000007@att.net> <4E7F73B4.4080902@att.net> Message-ID: Uncheck the box that says show orca window and you should be good to go along with all other preferences you set. The orca window really is properly the orca setup dialog. On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Guy Schlosser wrote: > > > OK, now the system that was running so beautifully after the upgrade is > now in a setup loop. Every time I boot up, after doing nothing but > shutting it down after writing this early morning's E-mail, I press > alt+f2, type orca and press enter, I get "Welcome to orca setup." Then I > have to play 20 questions all over again. Any ideas? What happened > between shutting the system down, and restarting eight hours later? Any > ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > > On 9/25/2011 3:18 AM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > > I just finished installing Oneiric on my laptop as an upgrade from a > > fresh Natty. I am happy to report that all is working with Orca and > > other applications. I'm observing the same as previously reported, > > pressing alt+f1 yields nothing, and the alt+f2 box (i.e. dash) also is > > not accessible. This could be largely due to the bug that currently > > has a fix committed though, so I am looking forward to that fix being > > released, for hopeful launcher accessibility. I would also love to > > test Alejandro's proposed PPA for dash and quicklist accessibility. > > This brings me to my next question. How do I narrow down what is > > missing from my other desktop system and preventing accessibility? > > For example, how do I know if accessibility modules are loaded, and > > proper key is set to correct value? I installed all updates on that > > system as well, and still hear nothing read in any application, > > including Orca's own preferences dialogue. Do I just need to reformat > > and fresh install with live CD, since it and my laptop are working > > beautifully? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks and off to bed, > > > > > > Guy > > P.S. This E-mail was written concerning Unity 3d. I have not tried > > Unity 2d on Laptop yet. > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > Jude "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's got God on his side." ~ Bill Hicks From guyster104 at att.net Tue Sep 27 18:41:25 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:41:25 -0400 Subject: [orca-list] What happened with Orca in Oneiric In-Reply-To: References: <4E7F4EAD.3000007@att.net> <4E7F73B4.4080902@att.net> Message-ID: <4E8218D5.5080905@att.net> Hey there Jude and thanks for the tip. That's actually what I did that caused the whole loop I think. The orca window was getting in the way, so I went into preferences, and unchecked the box. All was good for the rest of the session until I shutdown for the night. When I powered up eight hours later, and every other time I started up my laptop, I got "welcome to orca setup.", as if orca is trying to say, "you don't want to show my window, screw you." I would love to go back in and re-check it, but I can't get past the orca setup 20 questions. I did notice that Orca 3.2 was released yesterday, so maybe I'll try to update and see if I can break the setup barrior. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and good job to everyone, Guy On 09/27/2011 12:55 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Uncheck the box that says show orca window and you should be good to go > along with all other preferences you set. The orca window really is > properly the orca setup dialog. > > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Guy Schlosser wrote: > >> >> OK, now the system that was running so beautifully after the upgrade is >> now in a setup loop. Every time I boot up, after doing nothing but >> shutting it down after writing this early morning's E-mail, I press >> alt+f2, type orca and press enter, I get "Welcome to orca setup." Then I >> have to play 20 questions all over again. Any ideas? What happened >> between shutting the system down, and restarting eight hours later? Any >> ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Guy >> >> >> On 9/25/2011 3:18 AM, Guy Schlosser wrote: >>> I just finished installing Oneiric on my laptop as an upgrade from a >>> fresh Natty. I am happy to report that all is working with Orca and >>> other applications. I'm observing the same as previously reported, >>> pressing alt+f1 yields nothing, and the alt+f2 box (i.e. dash) also is >>> not accessible. This could be largely due to the bug that currently >>> has a fix committed though, so I am looking forward to that fix being >>> released, for hopeful launcher accessibility. I would also love to >>> test Alejandro's proposed PPA for dash and quicklist accessibility. >>> This brings me to my next question. How do I narrow down what is >>> missing from my other desktop system and preventing accessibility? >>> For example, how do I know if accessibility modules are loaded, and >>> proper key is set to correct value? I installed all updates on that >>> system as well, and still hear nothing read in any application, >>> including Orca's own preferences dialogue. Do I just need to reformat >>> and fresh install with live CD, since it and my laptop are working >>> beautifully? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks and off to bed, >>> >>> >>> Guy >>> P.S. This E-mail was written concerning Unity 3d. I have not tried >>> Unity 2d on Laptop yet. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list at gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> > Jude > "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet > of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's > got God on his side." > ~ Bill Hicks > From apinheiro at igalia.com Thu Sep 29 11:26:37 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:26:37 +0200 Subject: Unity3D Oneiric ppa with extra a11y Message-ID: <4E8455ED.9020208@igalia.com> Hi, during these days some people started to wonder about the accessibility status of Unity3D on Oneiric, mainly about the interaction with Orca. I have provided a ppa with a version of Unity3D with some extra a11y, so people could start to test it: https://launchpad.net/~apinheiro/+archive/unity-extra-a11y The easiest way to add this to your repositories is the next one: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:apinheiro/unity-extra-a11y Some notes: * This release still includes one bug that avoid the proper use of the dash with the keyboard: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/860805 * If someone has a mouse, the nasty workaround is open the Dash and then close it pressing with the mouse. * Hopefully, final Oneiric release will have a solution for this problem. * Final Oneiric release will be done during this week, I plan to update the ppa with all that. * As I said, I was not fast enough to get this done before feature freeze, so this are not going to be included on the final Oneiric release, and this ppa will required for a while. Finally, please forward this mail to any other group interested on this ppa. Thanks. Best regards -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 16:57:54 2011 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:57:54 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10, Unity, and Compiz eZoom Message-ID: <4E84A392.60402@gmail.com> Hello, everyone. I do not have a test machine here at home, so I am not able to try this for myself as I would like to. In Ubuntu 11.04, the Compiz eZoom plugin would only zoom in to the desktop, but the Unity dashboard/dock would not change; they would stay zoomed out. Does anyone know if this has changed in Ubuntu 11.10, as I would really like to upgrade to it when ti is released. But I do not want to do the upgrade if it will not be accessible to me. Thanks for any input heer. It will be much appreciated. From apinheiro at igalia.com Fri Sep 30 09:56:17 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:56:17 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10, Unity, and Compiz eZoom In-Reply-To: <4E84A392.60402@gmail.com> References: <4E84A392.60402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E859241.7090702@igalia.com> On 09/29/2011 06:57 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I do not have a test machine here at home, so I am not able to try > this for myself as I would like to. > > In Ubuntu 11.04, the Compiz eZoom plugin would only zoom in to the > desktop, but the Unity dashboard/dock would not change; they would > stay zoomed out. Does anyone know if this has changed in Ubuntu 11.10, > as I would really like to upgrade to it when ti is released. But I do > not want to do the upgrade if it will not be accessible to me. > > Thanks for any input heer. It will be much appreciated. > I didn't test it, but unfortunately, the bug opened at launchpad is still open: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/781529 Anyway, take into account that although Unity is the default desktop, AFAIK, you still can choose the old GNOME desktop, like in Natty (11.04). PS: Importance on that bug is still "Undecided". Probably it would be good to add some comments on the bug to comment that the priority should be properly set. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From apinheiro at igalia.com Fri Sep 30 12:32:41 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:32:41 +0200 Subject: Unity3D Oneiric ppa with extra a11y In-Reply-To: <4E859C32.9010704@pickup.hu> References: <4E8455ED.9020208@igalia.com> <4E859C32.9010704@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4E85B6E9.1060808@igalia.com> On 09/30/2011 12:38 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Alejandro, > > This is wonderful news. > Thank you the information, I will be testing your PPA awailable version. > > Attila > BTW, yesterday was done a new Unity release (4.20). My a11y ppa is based on 4.18. I will try to update the ppa today or tomorrow. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Sep 30 12:50:44 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:50:44 +0200 Subject: Unity3D Oneiric ppa with extra a11y In-Reply-To: <4E85B6E9.1060808@igalia.com> References: <4E8455ED.9020208@igalia.com> <4E859C32.9010704@pickup.hu> <4E85B6E9.1060808@igalia.com> Message-ID: <4E85BB24.5000301@pickup.hu> Hy, After added your PPA my system and update the package list, first I little surprised why not upgrading with default Unity related packages with your PPA awailable packages. After first surprise I seeing have Unity 4.20 release by default. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Sep 30 13:14:51 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:14:51 +0200 Subject: Skype 2.2.35-0Oneiric2 version always crash my system Message-ID: <4E85C0CB.90607@pickup.hu> Hy, I installed now with Skype my Oneiric fresh installed system from Canonical partner repository, the version number is 2.2.35-0Oneiric2. I don't no why, but always when I try log in, Skype is crash after I activate the Sign In button, and a core dumped. I only see following message in GNOME Terminal: hammera at hammera-Satellite-L300:~$ skype (skype:2608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", (skype:2608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", (skype:2608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", (skype:2608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", Fatal: ASSERT: "interface->childCount() == children.count()" in file adaptor.cpp, line 200 Aborted (core dumped) hammera at hammera-Satellite-L300:~$ I try reported the crash, but unfortunately Apport says Skype is not a genuine Ubuntu package. I tryed purge this version and install the Natty partner repository awailable version, but I am not good luck now, the two versions producing equals problem my system. When I tested I think two weeks ago with Skype a11y support, Natty version is working fine my Oneiric system, perhaps oldest time not yet awailable this version with Canonical partner repository in Natty branch. This problem is a QT A11Y bridge related problem? Anybody confirming this issue for official partner repository awailable package version? I try downloading with Skype the official website and looking the officialy awailable version how works. Attila From apinheiro at igalia.com Fri Sep 30 13:20:13 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGnDsWVpcm8=?=) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:20:13 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10, Unity, and Compiz eZoom In-Reply-To: References: <4E84A392.60402@gmail.com> <4E859241.7090702@igalia.com> Message-ID: <4E85C20D.4090902@igalia.com> On 09/30/2011 03:01 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > Getting the gnome desktop requires manually installing it. Unity 2D, > as you can guess by the name, does not use Compiz,.though. > > Maco > Good point, I didn't realize the issue of the manual installation. One option is start a shell, and install it manually. Although of course, this is not really user-friendly. Yes, Unity2D doesn't use Compiz, and AFAIK, it doesn't have a built-in magnification feature. Thanks for the clarification. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias