From krmane at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 17:04:19 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:34:19 +0530 Subject: lots of things working great with the April 1St daily build Message-ID: <4F788A93.1020502@gmail.com> Hello all. I Just downloaded the daily build of Ubuntu 12.04. The iso is dated 1 April and I downloaded it at 6 in the evening Indian time (gmt + 5.3). I am pleased to give my feedback hoping that this is taken as a serious compliment to the Ubuntu accessibility team, so that they keep this constant. This is really good work indeed. I get my top panel menu working fantastically accessible. in Unity 2d I hear orca nicely respond on the - launcher and also with the menu which one gets by pressing alt + f1 and f10. Firefox updates are as good as they were before things were broken for a few days. Please keep it this way and keep up the great work. Right now the only problem I see is that a few times Orca did not respond quickly for the alt + f10 menu, and on a couple of occasions it did not speak at all. I log out and log back in and all becomes well with orca responding perfectly. I don't feel this might be an Orca issue although I am not totally sure on that. The Orca team really has been much more consistent than any other foss team I have worked with before. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From krmane at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 18:16:40 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:46:40 +0530 Subject: [orca-list] lots of things working great with the April 1St daily build In-Reply-To: References: <4F788A93.1020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F789B88.2040207@gmail.com> On 01/04/12 22:47, Dave Hunt wrote: > > Hi, > > That's great news re: the 01-April daily build of Ubuntu 12.04. How > do you get Unity 2D as your desktop? Do you run this as a flash drive > installation? Do you do the install in 3d, then change it after login? > I have the trouble coming my way only first time. Basically, I have it on my pen drive but soon to be installed on my netbook. Actually when I booted the pen drive for the first time, I waited for the drums to sound which they did. Then I pressed ctrl + s for the speech. I waited for the desktop to come after I selected try Ubuntu. As you might be aware you got to press tab once after the first screen on live boot comes up. But then the trouble started. I had to do some guess work and after I was sure that the desktop had come up, I pressed alt + f2 and typed orca. sure enough, Orca started. But mind you we get the unity 3d desktop by default. So naturally menus and all won't speak. Yet, I pressed alt +f10 and got orca to read the menus. But if you don't get the same result, just press the super key and type log and press down arrow 2 times. Hit enter. Now you logout Again the drums will sound and Orca will speak. Press the tab key once and hit enter. you will get the choices for the session login. Press shift + tab and you will hear Orca say "unity 2d" press enter and come back to the username entry field. Type ubuntu for the username and hit enter. now just press enter for password. Wait for 5 or 10 seconds and just start orca using the alt + f2 method. This time sure enough. orca will speak all as I had mentioned in my previous email. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From krmane at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 18:39:53 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 00:09:53 +0530 Subject: [orca-list] lots of things working great with the April 1St daily build In-Reply-To: <4BAFE943-30E0-4F94-A1F8-43F06924FD14@gmail.com> References: <4F788A93.1020502@gmail.com> <4F789B88.2040207@gmail.com> <4BAFE943-30E0-4F94-A1F8-43F06924FD14@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F78A0F9.6040805@gmail.com> Hi Justin, I was actually thinking on putting it on my blog. I will actually do so in the morning. Right now I am travelling in rural part of Maharashtra, a state in India. I am going to give a hands-on demo on Ubuntu 12.04 as a big univercity in that area is shifting to foss and like many institutes they consult me. I will have some more inputs when I do it in the morning and in the process I will also know some more good or bad things about accessibility. Then we can surely make this into a document. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 00:12, Justin Harford wrote: > Possibly a redundant request, but will this information be available on a blog or wiki so that when we go to install it ourselves, we can read about what to expect and what to do to make things work? > > It would be cool even if the below email were just copied on to a wiki under "installing 12.04 with speech" or something. > > Regards > Justin Harford > On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > >> On 01/04/12 22:47, Dave Hunt wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> That's great news re: the 01-April daily build of Ubuntu 12.04. How do you get Unity 2D as your desktop? Do you run this as a flash drive installation? Do you do the install in 3d, then change it after login? >>> >> I have the trouble coming my way only first time. >> >> Basically, I have it on my pen drive but soon to be installed on my netbook. >> Actually when I booted the pen drive for the first time, I waited for the drums to sound which they did. >> Then I pressed ctrl + s for the speech. >> I waited for the desktop to come after I selected try Ubuntu. >> As you might be aware you got to press tab once after the first screen on live boot comes up. >> But then the trouble started. >> I had to do some guess work and after I was sure that the desktop had come up, I pressed alt + f2 and typed orca. >> sure enough, Orca started. >> But mind you we get the unity 3d desktop by default. >> So naturally menus and all won't speak. >> Yet, I pressed alt +f10 and got orca to read the menus. >> But if you don't get the same result, just press the super key and type log and press down arrow 2 times. >> Hit enter. >> Now you logout >> Again the drums will sound and Orca will speak. >> Press the tab key once and hit enter. >> you will get the choices for the session login. >> Press shift + tab and you will hear Orca say "unity 2d" >> press enter and come back to the username entry field. >> Type ubuntu for the username and hit enter. >> now just press enter for password. >> Wait for 5 or 10 seconds and just start orca using the alt + f2 method. >> This time sure enough. orca will speak all as I had mentioned in my previous email. >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list at gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 18:47:54 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [orca-list] lots of things working great with the April 1St daily build In-Reply-To: <4BAFE943-30E0-4F94-A1F8-43F06924FD14@gmail.com> References: <4F788A93.1020502@gmail.com> <4F789B88.2040207@gmail.com> <4BAFE943-30E0-4F94-A1F8-43F06924FD14@gmail.com> Message-ID: I propose we get rid of this guess work and trial/error, and just make the thing come up talking, in Unity2d. Let's have Orca come up talking and brailling, but with a black screen! We can make an "accessible startup", for the sighted to use, but, let's have an obscure, barely-memorible set of keystrokes be required in order to get this startup. Let's change the sequence with each release, and be sure to break "accessibility" during the Beta cycle. We can leak trial-and-error based partial solutions to the various mailing lists, used by the sighted. April Fools, Dave On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Justin Harford wrote: > Possibly a redundant request, but will this information be available on a blog or wiki so that when we go to install it ourselves, we can read about what to expect and what to do to make things work? > > It would be cool even if the below email were just copied on to a wiki under "installing 12.04 with speech" or something. > > Regards > Justin Harford > On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > >> On 01/04/12 22:47, Dave Hunt wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> That's great news re: the 01-April daily build of Ubuntu 12.04. How do you get Unity 2D as your desktop? Do you run this as a flash drive installation? Do you do the install in 3d, then change it after login? >>> >> I have the trouble coming my way only first time. >> >> Basically, I have it on my pen drive but soon to be installed on my netbook. >> Actually when I booted the pen drive for the first time, I waited for the drums to sound which they did. >> Then I pressed ctrl + s for the speech. >> I waited for the desktop to come after I selected try Ubuntu. >> As you might be aware you got to press tab once after the first screen on live boot comes up. >> But then the trouble started. >> I had to do some guess work and after I was sure that the desktop had come up, I pressed alt + f2 and typed orca. >> sure enough, Orca started. >> But mind you we get the unity 3d desktop by default. >> So naturally menus and all won't speak. >> Yet, I pressed alt +f10 and got orca to read the menus. >> But if you don't get the same result, just press the super key and type log and press down arrow 2 times. >> Hit enter. >> Now you logout >> Again the drums will sound and Orca will speak. >> Press the tab key once and hit enter. >> you will get the choices for the session login. >> Press shift + tab and you will hear Orca say "unity 2d" >> press enter and come back to the username entry field. >> Type ubuntu for the username and hit enter. >> now just press enter for password. >> Wait for 5 or 10 seconds and just start orca using the alt + f2 method. >> This time sure enough. orca will speak all as I had mentioned in my previous email. >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list at gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From krmane at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 18:57:35 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 00:27:35 +0530 Subject: [orca-list] lots of things working great with the April 1St daily build In-Reply-To: References: <4F788A93.1020502@gmail.com> <4F789B88.2040207@gmail.com> <4BAFE943-30E0-4F94-A1F8-43F06924FD14@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F78A51F.406@gmail.com> HAHA, But my news was not April Fool. It really works! :) Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 00:17, Dave Hunt wrote: > I propose we get rid of this guess work and trial/error, and just make > the thing come up talking, in Unity2d. Let's have Orca come up > talking and brailling, but with a black screen! We can make an > "accessible startup", for the sighted to use, but, let's have an > obscure, barely-memorible set of keystrokes be required in order to > get this startup. Let's change the sequence with each release, and be > sure to break "accessibility" during the Beta cycle. We can leak > trial-and-error based partial solutions to the various mailing lists, > used by the sighted. > > > > April Fools, > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Justin Harford wrote: > >> Possibly a redundant request, but will this information be available >> on a blog or wiki so that when we go to install it ourselves, we can >> read about what to expect and what to do to make things work? >> >> It would be cool even if the below email were just copied on to a >> wiki under "installing 12.04 with speech" or something. >> >> Regards >> Justin Harford >> On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: >> >>> On 01/04/12 22:47, Dave Hunt wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> That's great news re: the 01-April daily build of Ubuntu 12.04. >>>> How do you get Unity 2D as your desktop? Do you run this as a >>>> flash drive installation? Do you do the install in 3d, then change >>>> it after login? >>>> >>> I have the trouble coming my way only first time. >>> >>> Basically, I have it on my pen drive but soon to be installed on my >>> netbook. >>> Actually when I booted the pen drive for the first time, I waited >>> for the drums to sound which they did. >>> Then I pressed ctrl + s for the speech. >>> I waited for the desktop to come after I selected try Ubuntu. >>> As you might be aware you got to press tab once after the first >>> screen on live boot comes up. >>> But then the trouble started. >>> I had to do some guess work and after I was sure that the desktop >>> had come up, I pressed alt + f2 and typed orca. >>> sure enough, Orca started. >>> But mind you we get the unity 3d desktop by default. >>> So naturally menus and all won't speak. >>> Yet, I pressed alt +f10 and got orca to read the menus. >>> But if you don't get the same result, just press the super key and >>> type log and press down arrow 2 times. >>> Hit enter. >>> Now you logout >>> Again the drums will sound and Orca will speak. >>> Press the tab key once and hit enter. >>> you will get the choices for the session login. >>> Press shift + tab and you will hear Orca say "unity 2d" >>> press enter and come back to the username entry field. >>> Type ubuntu for the username and hit enter. >>> now just press enter for password. >>> Wait for 5 or 10 seconds and just start orca using the alt + f2 method. >>> This time sure enough. orca will speak all as I had mentioned in my >>> previous email. >>> Happy hacking. >>> Krishnakant. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list at gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> > From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 20:12:56 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No More 12.04 Betas for me! Message-ID: Thanks for the help and advice I've gotten from users on this and to the Ubuntu team memebers for their work on the accessibility. After trying the Beta release dated 01-Apr, and having no two start-ups be the same, I've had it! If you're getting a more-reliable experience, especially where the accessibility is concerned, power to you! This variability is more than I'm willing to accept from a release that is designated second Beta of a Long-term Stable release. Cheers, Dave From blindstein at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 18:42:49 2012 From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:42:49 -0700 Subject: [orca-list] lots of things working great with the April 1St daily build In-Reply-To: <4F789B88.2040207@gmail.com> References: <4F788A93.1020502@gmail.com> <4F789B88.2040207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BAFE943-30E0-4F94-A1F8-43F06924FD14@gmail.com> Possibly a redundant request, but will this information be available on a blog or wiki so that when we go to install it ourselves, we can read about what to expect and what to do to make things work? It would be cool even if the below email were just copied on to a wiki under "installing 12.04 with speech" or something. Regards Justin Harford On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > On 01/04/12 22:47, Dave Hunt wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> That's great news re: the 01-April daily build of Ubuntu 12.04. How do you get Unity 2D as your desktop? Do you run this as a flash drive installation? Do you do the install in 3d, then change it after login? >> > I have the trouble coming my way only first time. > > Basically, I have it on my pen drive but soon to be installed on my netbook. > Actually when I booted the pen drive for the first time, I waited for the drums to sound which they did. > Then I pressed ctrl + s for the speech. > I waited for the desktop to come after I selected try Ubuntu. > As you might be aware you got to press tab once after the first screen on live boot comes up. > But then the trouble started. > I had to do some guess work and after I was sure that the desktop had come up, I pressed alt + f2 and typed orca. > sure enough, Orca started. > But mind you we get the unity 3d desktop by default. > So naturally menus and all won't speak. > Yet, I pressed alt +f10 and got orca to read the menus. > But if you don't get the same result, just press the super key and type log and press down arrow 2 times. > Hit enter. > Now you logout > Again the drums will sound and Orca will speak. > Press the tab key once and hit enter. > you will get the choices for the session login. > Press shift + tab and you will hear Orca say "unity 2d" > press enter and come back to the username entry field. > Type ubuntu for the username and hit enter. > now just press enter for password. > Wait for 5 or 10 seconds and just start orca using the alt + f2 method. > This time sure enough. orca will speak all as I had mentioned in my previous email. > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Apr 2 08:44:12 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:44:12 +0200 Subject: I need debugging Orca eoutput when Unity greeter start the screen reader. It is possible? In-Reply-To: <4F7583C0.9000401@pickup.hu> References: <4F7578C2.7050808@pickup.hu> <4F7583C0.9000401@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F7966DC.9060908@pickup.hu> Hy, I reported this random time happening issue with following report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/971316 I reported an another crash with unity-greeter related, with are unfortunately reproducable my system if I run unity-greeter --test-mode command: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/971359 Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Apr 2 08:52:41 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:52:41 +0200 Subject: Unity Greeter indicators grabs entire the focus when the indicator menu are resumed Message-ID: <4F7968D9.7070200@pickup.hu> Hy, If I activate in Unity Greeter the indicator menues and resume the menu with escape key, the keyboard focus for Orca are locked. Unfortunately unable to use Orca command this situation after the indicator menu is closed. I reported this problem with bugzilla in Orca, Joanie fixed some traceback error messages, but the problem is not resolved entire yet: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673157 Luke, need reporting this problem with unity-greeter package in Launchpad? What informations are need sending in Unity Greeter related if I would like doing full correct report? Reproducation steps: 1. In Unity Greeter enable screen reader support with CTRL+S keystroke. 2. Press F10 key, and move some indicator menues. 3. Press escape key, and try using any Orca commands. This situation my braille display are not refhreshed, I see the last selected indicator menue output. Flat review doesn't work, where am I doesn't work, etc. Attila From pvdeejay at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 10:16:37 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 12:16:37 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 2012.04 issues Message-ID: <4F797C85.6070606@gmail.com> Hello, Several days ago I've installed ubuntu 2012.04 to my usb drive for testing. I will go throught some issues I'm having. If you like you can take this as a small review. I'm sorry I won't go to much detail while talking about stuff which already works verry well. That's the nature of many people. People start talking when they need help or when they dislike something. I must say I like the upcoming release of ubuntu because I can already see a lot of progress. For example I can use thunderbird with many more messages in a single folder than I was able to previously. Thunderbird startup takes a bit longer as discussed earlier on this and on the orca-list but it's verry usable. The same goes about the menus. Many people argue that gnome 2 with its main menu structure is better accessible. Maybe access to the aplication icons is better with classic gnome hower I find access to the items such as batery indicator, network indicator, chat / messaging indicator, volume indicator and others more accessible with unity-2d than it used to be with classic gnome. It's now perfectly integrated into the menu. The only thing I am unable to do with unity-2d is that I am unable to see the list of all installed applications. I can see applications on the launcher I can also press the super key alone and do a search but I can't browse for an app. I am sure this can be done somehow. I'm quite impressed how it works but here are some issues and inconstencies I have came accross and would like to get your feetback on. - My netbook is a bit old and doesn't have a lot of power. It's still able to run ubuntu and be usable. At times when doing some inthensive operations e.g. loading a huge webpage in Firefox or updating parts of the page dynamically the system is getting a bit sluggish. I know this is fine however sometimes I don't know whether it's still doing its job or it has frozen. Perhaps I'm just paranoid and would like to get the progress each time it is doing something. In such case when the system is bussy and I'll press some key bindings most frequently orcas flat review commands the orcas ability to react to keypresses breaks. For example I can navigate around the desktop using the keyboard but I am unable to press ctrl key to pause the speech. I need to wait when the voice is done speaking and then do the other action because interupting speech no longer works while doing key presses. The cure to this is restarting orca. I can navigate to the orca main window, find the quit button and press it using a spacebar. Orca then quits and I am able to start it again by pressing alt+f2 and typing orca followed by the enter key press. When Orca is restarted its ability to react to keypresses is back to normal. When orca is back to normal I am usually getting a crash reporter saying that ubuntu had an internal problem. I've been able to use standard navigation features to dismiss the crash reporter. It then opened launchpad with new bug form. Sometimes it's the bug about unity I've also seen a bug related to dbus once. At this point Firefox is working well however I am afraid orca doesn't use the proper scripts because I can't navigate the page using quick navigation commands and also I am unable to use cursor keys for reading. Similar bugs have already been filled so I was not able to properly read bug descriptions and comments in this state and I did not reported the issue at the bugtracker. Another thing I can notice in such a state is that when pressing alt+tab I am getting no speech output. While trying to log out or restart the computers using the menu I land on the desktop, press alt+f10 to bring up the menu and while arrowing in the menu I can see it is no longer speaking as I am moving over the menu items. The only way to get back to normal where alt+tab and menus work is to go to the terminal and restart the pc using the shutdown command. This is happenning for me quite frequently. I would be pleased if you might be able to look into this or possible give me some hints on how to proceed to diagnose it further. I would be gratefull for possible workarounds as well.e.g. how to prevent orca loosing its ability to react to keypresses or how to recover from this without restarting the whole machine. - On a different note I've read some exciting emails on this and also on the orca-list recently. Ubuntu 2012.04 is supposed to have ability to launch orca and get speech output on the login screen. While I was installing daily live from 22nd of march, I've chosen to log me in automatically during the install. So now while my PC is booting I am logged in automatically. After I'm done testing and I'll remain satisfied I would like to install to the hdd and add multiple users so other familly members can login as well. I've tried to test this by going to the devices menu and activating the item saying logout. I've got a confirmation dialog where I've presset logout button. After this I've waited a bit and while I did not get any audible output I've tried pressing ctrl+s . Again I've got no audible output. Then I've tried tabbing around slowly pressing ctrl+s after each tab key press hoping I'll manage to get accessible login screen but I have never succeeded. I had to reboot the machine in order to get to log back in. - Now the development really progresses in huge steps so I'm updating my installed copy quite frequently sometimes even twice a day because occassionally apport has problems subbmitting crashes when I'm running old versions of some packages. Can I expect getting the great features appearing in the latest daily images after updating using either the update manager or apt-get in the console? I am asking because login screen access, ability to use HUD and possible other fixes were only been introduced recently and I don't seem to be able to test them on my installed system. - The last issue which bugs me this time is how do I check whether a bugfix is going to be released or not. By reading some interesting discussions on empathy in the orca-list I think Joanie has fixed string mapping so empathy should behave properly with orca and also empathy developers fixed a crash preventing display of empathy preferences window when orca is running. Can I see info about release status somewhere in the bugtracker or do I just need to ask relevant contributors to push the updates into ubuntu or how does it work please? Thanks verry much if you are reading this last paragraph, I know this is a long email. Thanks to everyone making progress, I'm really excited, I've even contacted our local gnome translators in order to try translating orca and related packages to slovak. Greetings Peter From pvdeejay at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 12:12:23 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:12:23 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 2012.04 issues In-Reply-To: <002401cd10c4$dbefe960$93cfbc20$@gmail.com> References: <4F797C85.6070606@gmail.com> <002401cd10c4$dbefe960$93cfbc20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F7997A7.3060404@gmail.com> Hello, This is Acer ao bw150 netbook. It has 1 GB of ram and an onboard intel based graphic chip. It can even run unity-3d so I really don't knowwhether relly hardware is the issue. Should I post free output or something else to help narrowing it? Besides ubuntu I usually run Windows XP on this machine. Greetings Peter On 2.4.2012 13:36, Andy B. wrote: > The first thing, what are the specs on this netbook? I have been installing > daily builds ever since Feburary, and had never came across this problem. > The only one I have at this point is the loss of shortcuts from the gnome > settings center. Sounds like your video card, or memory issues might be > causing the problem. I installed the 03/27 build and never had those > problems. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Vágner > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:17 AM > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: ubuntu 2012.04 issues > > Hello, > Several days ago I've installed ubuntu 2012.04 to my usb drive for testing. > I will go throught some issues I'm having. If you like you can take this as > a small review. I'm sorry I won't go to much detail while talking about > stuff which already works verry well. That's the nature of many people. > People start talking when they need help or when they dislike something. > I must say I like the upcoming release of ubuntu because I can already see a > lot of progress. For example I can use thunderbird with many more messages > in a single folder than I was able to previously. Thunderbird startup takes > a bit longer as discussed earlier on this and on the orca-list but it's > verry usable. > The same goes about the menus. Many people argue that gnome 2 with its main > menu structure is better accessible. Maybe access to the aplication icons is > better with classic gnome hower I find access to the items such as batery > indicator, network indicator, chat / messaging indicator, volume indicator > and others more accessible with unity-2d than it used to be with classic > gnome. It's now perfectly integrated into the menu. > The only thing I am unable to do with unity-2d is that I am unable to see > the list of all installed applications. I can see applications on the > launcher I can also press the super key alone and do a search but I can't > browse for an app. I am sure this can be done somehow. > > I'm quite impressed how it works but here are some issues and inconstencies > I have came accross and would like to get your feetback on. > - My netbook is a bit old and doesn't have a lot of power. It's still able > to run ubuntu and be usable. At times when doing some inthensive operations > e.g. loading a huge webpage in Firefox or updating parts of the page > dynamically the system is getting a bit sluggish. I know this is fine > however sometimes I don't know whether it's still doing its job or it has > frozen. Perhaps I'm just paranoid and would like to get the progress each > time it is doing something. In such case when the system is bussy and I'll > press some key bindings most frequently orcas flat review commands the orcas > ability to react to keypresses breaks. For example I can navigate around the > desktop using the keyboard but I am unable to press ctrl key to pause the > speech. I need to wait when the voice is done speaking and then do the other > action because interupting speech no longer works while doing key presses. > The cure to this is restarting orca. I can navigate to the orca main window, > find the quit button and press it using a spacebar. Orca then quits andI am > able to start it again by pressing alt+f2 and typing orca followed by the > enter key press. When Orca is restarted its ability to react to keypresses > is back to normal. > When orca is back to normal I am usually getting a crash reporter saying > that ubuntu had an internal problem. I've been able to use standard > navigation features to dismiss the crash reporter. It then opened launchpad > with new bug form. Sometimes it's the bug about unity I've also seen a bug > related to dbus once. At this point Firefox is working well however I am > afraid orca doesn't use the proper scripts because I can't navigate thepage > using quick navigation commands and also I am unable to use cursor keysfor > reading. Similar bugs have already been filled so I was not able to properly > read bug descriptions and comments in this state and I did not reportedthe > issue at the bugtracker. > Another thing I can notice in such a state is that when pressing alt+tab I > am getting no speech output. > While trying to log out or restart the computers using the menu I land on > the desktop, press alt+f10 to bring up the menu and while arrowing in the > menu I can see it is no longer speaking as I am moving over the menu items. > The only way to get back to normal where alt+tab and menus work is to go to > the terminal and restart the pc using the shutdown command. > This is happenning for me quite frequently. I would be pleased if you might > be able to look into this or possible give me some hints on how to proceed > to diagnose it further. > I would be gratefull for possible workarounds as well.e.g. how to prevent > orca loosing its ability to react to keypresses or how to recover from this > without restarting the whole machine. > > - On a different note I've read some exciting emails on this and also on the > orca-list recently. Ubuntu 2012.04 is supposed to have ability to launch > orca and get speech output on the login screen. While I was installing daily > live from 22nd of march, I've chosen to log me in automatically during the > install. So now while my PC is booting I am logged in automatically. After > I'm done testing and I'll remain satisfied I would like to install to the > hdd and add multiple users so other familly members can login as well. > I've tried to test this by going to the devices menu and activating theitem > saying logout. I've got a confirmation dialog where I've presset logout > button. After this I've waited a bit and while I did not get any audible > output I've tried pressing ctrl+s . Again I've got no audible output. Then > I've tried tabbing around slowly pressing ctrl+s after each tab key press > hoping I'll manage to get accessible login screen but I have never > succeeded. I had to reboot the machine in order to get to log back in. > > - Now the development really progresses in huge steps so I'm updating my > installed copy quite frequently sometimes even twice a day because > occassionally apport has problems subbmitting crashes when I'm running old > versions of some packages. Can I expect getting the great features appearing > in the latest daily images after updating using either the update manager or > apt-get in the console? > I am asking because login screen access, ability to use HUD and possible > other fixes were only been introduced recently and I don't seem to be able > to test them on my installed system. > > - The last issue which bugs me this time is how do I check whether a bugfix > is going to be released or not. By reading some interesting discussionson > empathy in the orca-list I think Joanie has fixed string mapping so empathy > should behave properly with orca and also empathy developers fixed a crash > preventing display of empathy preferences window when orca is running. Can I > see info about release status somewhere in the bugtracker or do I just need > to ask relevant contributors to push the updates into ubuntu or how does it > work please? > > Thanks verry much if you are reading this last paragraph, I know this is a > long email. Thanks to everyone making progress, I'm really excited, I've > even contacted our local gnome translators in order to try translating orca > and related packages to slovak. > > > Greetings > > Peter > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From krmane at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 13:23:06 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:53:06 +0530 Subject: ubuntu 2012.04 issues In-Reply-To: <4F7997A7.3060404@gmail.com> References: <4F797C85.6070606@gmail.com> <002401cd10c4$dbefe960$93cfbc20$@gmail.com> <4F7997A7.3060404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F79A83A.8040106@gmail.com> To get all apps, there is the application button in the same row of the home icon. I get all the apps in the installed applications list. Note that it is a tiled view and you will have to use all the arrow keys. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 17:42, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > This is Acer ao bw150 netbook. It has 1 GB of ram and an onboard intel > based graphic chip. > It can even run unity-3d so I really don't knowwhether relly hardware > is the issue. > > Should I post free output or something else to help narrowing it? > > Besides ubuntu I usually run Windows XP on this machine. > > Greetings > > Peter > > > On 2.4.2012 13:36, Andy B. wrote: >> The first thing, what are the specs on this netbook? I have been >> installing >> daily builds ever since Feburary, and had never came across this >> problem. >> The only one I have at this point is the loss of shortcuts from the >> gnome >> settings center. Sounds like your video card, or memory issues might be >> causing the problem. I installed the 03/27 build and never had those >> problems. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com >> [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of >> Peter >> Vágner >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:17 AM >> To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: ubuntu 2012.04 issues >> >> Hello, >> Several days ago I've installed ubuntu 2012.04 to my usb drive for >> testing. >> I will go throught some issues I'm having. If you like you can take >> this as >> a small review. I'm sorry I won't go to much detail while talking about >> stuff which already works verry well. That's the nature of many people. >> People start talking when they need help or when they dislike something. >> I must say I like the upcoming release of ubuntu because I can >> already see a >> lot of progress. For example I can use thunderbird with many more >> messages >> in a single folder than I was able to previously. Thunderbird startup >> takes >> a bit longer as discussed earlier on this and on the orca-list but it's >> verry usable. >> The same goes about the menus. Many people argue that gnome 2 with >> its main >> menu structure is better accessible. Maybe access to the aplication >> icons is >> better with classic gnome hower I find access to the items such as >> batery >> indicator, network indicator, chat / messaging indicator, volume >> indicator >> and others more accessible with unity-2d than it used to be with classic >> gnome. It's now perfectly integrated into the menu. >> The only thing I am unable to do with unity-2d is that I am unable to >> see >> the list of all installed applications. I can see applications on the >> launcher I can also press the super key alone and do a search but I >> can't >> browse for an app. I am sure this can be done somehow. >> >> I'm quite impressed how it works but here are some issues and >> inconstencies >> I have came accross and would like to get your feetback on. >> - My netbook is a bit old and doesn't have a lot of power. It's still >> able >> to run ubuntu and be usable. At times when doing some inthensive >> operations >> e.g. loading a huge webpage in Firefox or updating parts of the page >> dynamically the system is getting a bit sluggish. I know this is fine >> however sometimes I don't know whether it's still doing its job or it >> has >> frozen. Perhaps I'm just paranoid and would like to get the progress >> each >> time it is doing something. In such case when the system is bussy and >> I'll >> press some key bindings most frequently orcas flat review commands >> the orcas >> ability to react to keypresses breaks. For example I can navigate >> around the >> desktop using the keyboard but I am unable to press ctrl key to pause >> the >> speech. I need to wait when the voice is done speaking and then do >> the other >> action because interupting speech no longer works while doing key >> presses. >> The cure to this is restarting orca. I can navigate to the orca main >> window, >> find the quit button and press it using a spacebar. Orca then quits >> andI am >> able to start it again by pressing alt+f2 and typing orca followed by >> the >> enter key press. When Orca is restarted its ability to react to >> keypresses >> is back to normal. >> When orca is back to normal I am usually getting a crash reporter saying >> that ubuntu had an internal problem. I've been able to use standard >> navigation features to dismiss the crash reporter. It then opened >> launchpad >> with new bug form. Sometimes it's the bug about unity I've also seen >> a bug >> related to dbus once. At this point Firefox is working well however I am >> afraid orca doesn't use the proper scripts because I can't navigate >> thepage >> using quick navigation commands and also I am unable to use cursor >> keysfor >> reading. Similar bugs have already been filled so I was not able to >> properly >> read bug descriptions and comments in this state and I did not >> reportedthe >> issue at the bugtracker. >> Another thing I can notice in such a state is that when pressing >> alt+tab I >> am getting no speech output. >> While trying to log out or restart the computers using the menu I >> land on >> the desktop, press alt+f10 to bring up the menu and while arrowing in >> the >> menu I can see it is no longer speaking as I am moving over the menu >> items. >> The only way to get back to normal where alt+tab and menus work is to >> go to >> the terminal and restart the pc using the shutdown command. >> This is happenning for me quite frequently. I would be pleased if you >> might >> be able to look into this or possible give me some hints on how to >> proceed >> to diagnose it further. >> I would be gratefull for possible workarounds as well.e.g. how to >> prevent >> orca loosing its ability to react to keypresses or how to recover >> from this >> without restarting the whole machine. >> >> - On a different note I've read some exciting emails on this and also >> on the >> orca-list recently. Ubuntu 2012.04 is supposed to have ability to launch >> orca and get speech output on the login screen. While I was >> installing daily >> live from 22nd of march, I've chosen to log me in automatically >> during the >> install. So now while my PC is booting I am logged in automatically. >> After >> I'm done testing and I'll remain satisfied I would like to install to >> the >> hdd and add multiple users so other familly members can login as well. >> I've tried to test this by going to the devices menu and activating >> theitem >> saying logout. I've got a confirmation dialog where I've presset logout >> button. After this I've waited a bit and while I did not get any audible >> output I've tried pressing ctrl+s . Again I've got no audible output. >> Then >> I've tried tabbing around slowly pressing ctrl+s after each tab key >> press >> hoping I'll manage to get accessible login screen but I have never >> succeeded. I had to reboot the machine in order to get to log back in. >> >> - Now the development really progresses in huge steps so I'm updating my >> installed copy quite frequently sometimes even twice a day because >> occassionally apport has problems subbmitting crashes when I'm >> running old >> versions of some packages. Can I expect getting the great features >> appearing >> in the latest daily images after updating using either the update >> manager or >> apt-get in the console? >> I am asking because login screen access, ability to use HUD and possible >> other fixes were only been introduced recently and I don't seem to be >> able >> to test them on my installed system. >> >> - The last issue which bugs me this time is how do I check whether a >> bugfix >> is going to be released or not. By reading some interesting >> discussionson >> empathy in the orca-list I think Joanie has fixed string mapping so >> empathy >> should behave properly with orca and also empathy developers fixed a >> crash >> preventing display of empathy preferences window when orca is >> running. Can I >> see info about release status somewhere in the bugtracker or do I >> just need >> to ask relevant contributors to push the updates into ubuntu or how >> does it >> work please? >> >> Thanks verry much if you are reading this last paragraph, I know this >> is a >> long email. Thanks to everyone making progress, I'm really excited, I've >> even contacted our local gnome translators in order to try >> translating orca >> and related packages to slovak. >> >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > > > > From kd7cyu at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 13:41:35 2012 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 06:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Orca running twice Message-ID: I more or less have the Ubuntu desktop coming up although nautilus does not seem to be stable. For some reason when it starts there are two copies of orca being run. Can someone point me to where to start looking to see why this is happening? Tom From pvdeejay at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 14:34:36 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?=) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:34:36 +0200 Subject: Orca running twice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D232153-5E24-436E-AD78-BEF63D1D849D@gmail.com> Hello, I was able to get more instances of orca running by pressing and holding down ctrl+s shortcut key while booting live cd after hearing the drums sound. Might this be related? Greetings Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 15:41, Tom Masterson napísal: > I more or less have the Ubuntu desktop coming up although nautilus does not seem to be stable. For some reason when it starts there are two copies of orca being run. Can someone point me to where to start looking to see why this is happening? > > Tom > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From kd7cyu at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 15:20:04 2012 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Orca running twice In-Reply-To: <6D232153-5E24-436E-AD78-BEF63D1D849D@gmail.com> References: <6D232153-5E24-436E-AD78-BEF63D1D849D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry I was in a hurry and probably left out important information. This is on a sys running 11.10 using unit-2d and an older dell laptop. It is not a new install but I did attempt to rebuild the desktop environment by removing ubuntu-desktop and reinstalling it after removing what I knew of the configuration files that might be left behind. Thanks Tom On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > I was able to get more instances of orca running by pressing and holding down ctrl+s shortcut key while booting live cd after hearing the drums sound. > Might this be related? > > Greetings > > Peter > > > > Dňa 2.4.2012, o 15:41, Tom Masterson napísal: > >> I more or less have the Ubuntu desktop coming up although nautilus does not seem to be stable. For some reason when it starts there are two copies of orca being run. Can someone point me to where to start looking to see why this is happening? >> >> Tom >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 15:36:07 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? Message-ID: Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system? I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 autoinstall=yes From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Apr 2 16:25:09 2012 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:25:09 -0600 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120402102509.5845dd65@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Dave Hunt wrote: > Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. > > When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and > gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will > allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to > choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do > something differently when making the usb system? I start with the > Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke > unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Dave > > > > sudo unetbootin method=diskimage > isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB > targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 autoinstall=yes > > > > It looks to me like you are installing to the USB drive, instead of writing the image to it to install later. The drums sound when using the live session, before it is installed to any drive. When the screen "Try Ubuntu" "Install Ubuntu" comes up, the drums should sound. Hitting Ctrl+s after those drums starts Orca and allows a screen-reader install. I could be wrong, since I don't use USB drives to do any installations. I only run them from CD-r. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPedLlAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbASw8H/Alj/dCDF2Vx+8eUQSwa6gTc 94iP3DRo4QeIXRxCkkq6JUFb0dEkbFry9aLnLmaBA2TuMvwbodDr2O1aM8PfNPB6 pHGJWgbJvLYTqq5qlEe/6AOdNELp4cu6fw3edqYM8kHLCPc2riudoDuePrJ4HKv0 BDI9Vph92URnEcidaI/Y6/j5mltnBdzBvd0qAKGOP3S8ksJHklpikLCM21rtMExx ssVHhcDGB4HSBGtS171MUb4k/e3qEPp8EdaEE5mLBj+HZjdHwOaNyTfQ87SLW5zf WPCULyjc9xofYQwTPHGGj5phS1talLg5qjRCZIGns0reaSIBI3CaMS5IZnoz1Xc= =l00x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From krmane at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:13:57 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:43:57 +0530 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F79DE55.2000303@gmail.com> hi Dave, Wondering what has gone wrong? I tryed my usb pen drive both on a netbook and on a machine with I5 processor with 3 gb ram. My netbook has 2gb ram. I made the disk with a sighted assistant using the USB startup disk creater. I absolutely have no problems. I hear the drums sound. As I mentioned before, I wait for about 3 or 4 minutes and select try Ubuntu by just pressing tab and then enter. I again do some guessing and then I press alt + f2 and type orca and hit enter. Now just logout and I get the drum sound. Press ctrl + s and wait for a minute or so and you will hear Orca start talking and every thing is fine from now. I press tab, then enter followed by shift + tab to hear Orca say unity 2dd. Again press enter to select it and come back to username. type Ubuntu and press enter. Hit enter for password. Here I don't get the login music. I am pritty sure though that it does not take more than 15 seconds and I again press alt +f2 and type orca and enter. Now I get all accessibility on Unity 2d. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 21:06, Dave Hunt wrote: > Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. > > When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, > and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity > will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance > to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). > Should I do something differently when making the usb system? I > start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. > Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line > breaks). > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Dave > > > > sudo unetbootin method=diskimage > isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB > targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 autoinstall=yes > > > > From krmane at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:17:24 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:47:24 +0530 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: <20120402102509.5845dd65@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20120402102509.5845dd65@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4F79DF24.4040605@gmail.com> Hi Charlie, YOu are right, when the try Ubuntu screen comes I get the drum sound. And since I had pressed ctrl + s during the first drum sound, I get Orca talking every time I use the bootable pen drive. I even here it tell me details about Try Ubuntu screen. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 21:55, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:36:07 -0400 (EDT) > Dave Hunt wrote: > >> Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. >> >> When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and >> gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will >> allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to >> choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do >> something differently when making the usb system? I start with the >> Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke >> unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). >> >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> sudo unetbootin method=diskimage >> isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB >> targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 autoinstall=yes >> >> >> >> > It looks to me like you are installing to the USB drive, instead of > writing the image to it to install later. The drums sound when using > the live session, before it is installed to any drive. When the screen > "Try Ubuntu" "Install Ubuntu" comes up, the drums should sound. Hitting > Ctrl+s after those drums starts Orca and allows a screen-reader install. > > I could be wrong, since I don't use USB drives to do any installations. > I only run them from CD-r. > > - -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPedLlAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbASw8H/Alj/dCDF2Vx+8eUQSwa6gTc > 94iP3DRo4QeIXRxCkkq6JUFb0dEkbFry9aLnLmaBA2TuMvwbodDr2O1aM8PfNPB6 > pHGJWgbJvLYTqq5qlEe/6AOdNELp4cu6fw3edqYM8kHLCPc2riudoDuePrJ4HKv0 > BDI9Vph92URnEcidaI/Y6/j5mltnBdzBvd0qAKGOP3S8ksJHklpikLCM21rtMExx > ssVHhcDGB4HSBGtS171MUb4k/e3qEPp8EdaEE5mLBj+HZjdHwOaNyTfQ87SLW5zf > WPCULyjc9xofYQwTPHGGj5phS1talLg5qjRCZIGns0reaSIBI3CaMS5IZnoz1Xc= > =l00x > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pvdeejay at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:26:44 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?=) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:26:44 +0200 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted on startup. You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. I have used command Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- - press ctrl+s to start orca - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you should land in the orca window. - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu button and space to activate it - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to launch terminal. I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do in the past. Greetintz Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt napísal: > Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. > > When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system? I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Dave > > > > sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 autoinstall=yes > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 21:15:07 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install. It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, start orca. Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. I start orca in this session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way. This Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then the Unity Service Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and leaving me with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'. Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my user data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the partitions? If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there when I login? I've already backed up the files of interest to another machine on my home network. Cheers, Dave On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. > If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted on startup. > You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. > I have used command > Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute > > Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. > To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- > - press ctrl+s to start orca > - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you should land in the orca window. > - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window > - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu button and space to activate it > - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to launch terminal. > > I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do in the past. > > Greetintz > > Peter > > > Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt napísal: > >> Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. >> >> When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system? I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). >> >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 autoinstall=yes >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Apr 2 21:41:21 2012 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:41:21 -0600 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120402154121.5313cf70@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but the > thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash drive, > and by-passed the special session from which I could install. It brought > me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, start orca. > > Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash > drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I get the > drums sound, I hit > 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. I start orca in this session. I > log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can go to this session selector and get > into > Unity 2d this way. This Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then > the Unity Service Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and > leaving me with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'. > Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no > components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my user > data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option in the > installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the partitions? If > I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there > when I login? I've already backed up the files of interest to another > machine on my home network. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave When you install to the hard drive, you will no longer have the "try Ubuntu" choice, and the drums will not play. What we really need is a system sound to tell us the desktop is there now. And, of course, Orca reliable enough to work every time. I think Luke is working is that, but it gets to be a difficult thing when the main team is doing things like making sure no sound can play at login. As for keeping /home from Trisquel 5.5, I am hoping someone jumps in with the right answer. I am not familiar enough with it to say yes or no. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPeh0BAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbA/rYH/1tO+CSRZDQ018xgJ3BRJU6h s1Vqx1QCPbImRO+1weECRcK/fT0JU7dFhgxLNs/QqMao539z9Zt46q+0uNiUHk7T 52KYZtRTLLZ0y/TILxPdP9dEtqC0eW405ne6+c0W+hbSzRJwxhsjHyxoCwqWZfXZ SWxwJbE2LlIpbu/OoDsLcHqlyyHqeQaIrLxnabberDwf4iuc05gKeR9z9Web0vw1 syA7ZpqUwnA0se7LpMdH1lrGHYMnR4HFlXtwWQe4uBdp7/X+sO856yT/NVDhc8IY 04qqT/va4z2swR0MTJsqaU520CeFsNcSbpivUNQ4th+OkLaI9YFqXkhkwGqsWVY= =Fh0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From billtlr18 at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 22:24:57 2012 From: billtlr18 at gmail.com (Bill Taylor) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:24:57 +1000 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: <20120402154121.5313cf70@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20120402154121.5313cf70@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4F7A2739.9000602@gmail.com> On 04/03/2012 07:41 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: /snip > > As for keeping /home from Trisquel 5.5, I am hoping someone jumps in > with the right answer. I am not familiar enough with it to say yes or > no. > I have just updated Vinux 3.0.2 Beta to Vinux 3.0.2 on several boxes. I installed 3.0.2, formatted / partition; but selected ext4, but not check format box for /home partition. Use same user name and password. This won't work on a single partition install, of course. Hth Bill From chaltain at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 22:27:23 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:27:23 -0500 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F7A27CB.8050009@gmail.com> On 02/04/12 16:15, Dave Hunt wrote: > Assuming I ever get a sysgem > that has reliable accessibility, and no components crash, can I install > this to my hard drive, leaving my user data in place? If, for instance, > I choose the 'advanced' option in the installer, can I just tell the > insaller to not format the partitions? If I choose the same username I > use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there when I login? I've > already backed up the files of interest to another machine on my home > network. Right, if /home is on it's own partition, and you don't format it, then it'll be there after the install. One thing to watch out for though, is that if it's a major upgrade, and you use the same user ID, then some things may not work because of the changes in software between the two versions. For example, when I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.10 to Ubuntu 11.04, I couldn't get Orca to talk to me after I logged in. I ended up reinstalling Ubuntu 11.04 and just choosing a different user ID. Everything was still saved, and I could just copy data, settings and the like from my old user's home folder into my new users home folder. Sounds like you're going from Trisquel to Ubuntu 12.04, so I wouldn't be optimistic that you could just use your current home directory and have everything work. > On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: > >> Hello, >> If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive >> you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's >> unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. >> If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted >> on startup. >> You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has >> some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. >> I have used command >> Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute >> >> Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable >> and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. >> To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- >> - press ctrl+s to start orca >> - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you >> should land in the orca window. >> - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window >> - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu >> button and space to activate it >> - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to >> launch terminal. >> >> I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do >> in the past. >> >> Greetintz >> >> Peter >> >> >> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt napísal: >> >>> Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. >>> >>> When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, >>> and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity >>> will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the >>> chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever >>> sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb >>> system? I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive >>> directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system >>> (ignore line breaks). >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> sudo unetbootin method=diskimage >>> isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB >>> targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 autoinstall=yes -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From pvdeejay at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 00:28:35 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?=) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 02:28:35 +0200 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1ADE8E41-1CD4-4E5C-A38F-3375799D5378@gmail.com> Hello, I recommend you to play with live cd a bit whether the crashes are reproducible and try reporting if thats indeed possible in such a broken state you are getting. I know you can choose where to install grub during the install as well as choosing existing partitions with their mount points however i dont know if it can pick your files from other distros. Greetings Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 23:15, Dave Hunt napísal: > Hi, > > I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install. It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, start orca. > > Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. I start orca in this session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way. This Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then the Unity Service Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and leaving me with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'. Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my user data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the partitions? If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there when I login? I've already backed up the files of interest to another machine on my home network. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: > >> Hello, >> If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. >> If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted on startup. >> You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. >> I have used command >> Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute >> >> Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. >> To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- >> - press ctrl+s to start orca >> - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you should land in the orca window. >> - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window >> - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu button and space to activate it >> - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to launch terminal. >> >> I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do in the past. >> >> Greetintz >> >> Peter >> >> >> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt napísal: >> >>> Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. >>> >>> When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system? I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 autoinstall=yes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Apr 3 01:48:58 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:48:58 +1000 Subject: Ubuntu 12.04, live desktop sessions, and Orca. Message-ID: <20120403014858.GB4071@acapella> Hey folks, >From reading a few emails on both the Ubuntu accessibility list and the Orca list, I saw many users reporting that when they enabled Orca after live CD startup and then chose to try Ubuntu, that they were taken into a Unity 3D session, which as we all know, is not as accessible as Unity 2D, which is what should load. I'm happy to report that I have reproduced the bug, and have also found a fix. This fix should be in the next daily build of Ubuntu 12.04, which is to be the April 4, 2012 build. If people could please download this daily build, enable Orca at startup as usual, and choose Try Ubuntu, that would be appreciated. You should now be taken into a Unity 2D session. Please let me know if this is not the case for you. Luke From pvdeejay at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 08:39:02 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:39:02 +0200 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F79DE55.2000303@gmail.com> References: <4F79DE55.2000303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F7AB726.5060509@gmail.com> Hello, On 2.4.2012 19:13, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > I hear the drums sound. > As I mentioned before, I wait for about 3 or 4 minutes and select try > Ubuntu by just pressing tab and then enter. I am instead pressing ctrl+s to start orca on this screen and then alt+tabbing to the installer window where I can activate try ubuntu. > Now just logout and I get the drum sound. To log out I'm pressing the super key typing log, pressing arrow dow two times and pressing the enter key. Log out dialog comes up, I am pressing the button logout. Then I hear nothing not even the drums sound. While the system is logging out I can hear a click if I am using head phones. Trying to unmute the volume by using laptop built-in hardware buttons doesn't help. > Press ctrl + s and wait for a minute or so and you will hear Orca start > talking and every thing is fine from now. I've tried to press ctrl+s in this state eventhough I did not hear drums but no luck. I've also tried tabbing and shift+tabbing around and hitting ctrl+s again but still orca doesn't talk on the login screen. I am using daily live from 3rd of april. Have you got more ideas to try out? Greetings Peter From pvdeejay at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 11:35:47 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:35:47 +0200 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: <001401cd1184$7cdac600$76905200$@gmail.com> References: <4F79DE55.2000303@gmail.com> <4F7AB726.5060509@gmail.com> <001401cd1184$7cdac600$76905200$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F7AE093.5060509@gmail.com> Hello, Upcomming image from tommorow is supposed to fix the issue where hitting try ubuntu after starting orca on the installer screen starts unity 3D instead of unity 2D. I am not sure it might have some impact on how accessible login works. Of course I will be trying that image when it comes out. Greetings Peter On 3.4.2012 12:28, Andy B. wrote: > Try the build from 4/4. I haven't tried it yet, but there is supposed to be > a lot of fixes in it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Vágner > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:39 AM > To: Krishnakant Mane > Cc: Ubuntu Accessibility > Subject: Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? > > Hello, > > On 2.4.2012 19:13, Krishnakant Mane wrote: >> I hear the drums sound. >> As I mentioned before, I wait for about 3 or 4 minutes and select try >> Ubuntu by just pressing tab and then enter. > I am instead pressing ctrl+s to start orca on this screen and then > alt+tabbing to the installer window where I can activate try ubuntu. >> Now just logout and I get the drum sound. > To log out I'm pressing the super key typing log, pressing arrow dow two > times and pressing the enter key. Log out dialog comes up, I am pressing the > button logout. > Then I hear nothing not even the drums sound. > While the system is logging out I can hear a click if I am using head > phones. Trying to unmute the volume by using laptop built-in hardware > buttons doesn't help. >> Press ctrl + s and wait for a minute or so and you will hear Orca >> start talking and every thing is fine from now. > I've tried to press ctrl+s in this state eventhough I did not hear drums but > no luck. I've also tried tabbing and shift+tabbing around and hitting ctrl+s > again but still orca doesn't talk on the login screen. > > I am using daily live from 3rd of april. > > Have you got more ideas to try out? > > Greetings > > Peter > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From krmane at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 12:34:46 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:04:46 +0530 Subject: Ubuntu 12.04, live desktop sessions, and Orca. In-Reply-To: <20120403014858.GB4071@acapella> References: <20120403014858.GB4071@acapella> Message-ID: <4F7AEE66.5080507@gmail.com> So this is what we all hoped and it is the best that could happen in the recent times. Thanks for coordinating this and getting it done. I see more and more progress happening with Ubuntu and Unity 2d for accessibility. Can I just update my existing installation on 4th april to get the same effect, or is it necessary to actualy download the new daily build? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 03/04/12 07:18, Luke Yelavich wrote: > Hey folks, > > From reading a few emails on both the Ubuntu accessibility list and the Orca list, I saw many users reporting that when they enabled Orca after live CD startup and then chose to try Ubuntu, that they were taken into a Unity 3D session, which as we all know, is not as accessible as Unity 2D, which is what should load. I'm happy to report that I have reproduced the bug, and have also found a fix. This fix should be in the next daily build of Ubuntu 12.04, which is to be the April 4, 2012 build. If people could please download this daily build, enable Orca at startup as usual, and choose Try Ubuntu, that would be appreciated. You should now be taken into a Unity 2D session. Please let me know if this is not the case for you. > > Luke > From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 14:52:48 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 10:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? Thanks! In-Reply-To: <4F7A8728.1000908@gmail.com> References: <1ADE8E41-1CD4-4E5C-A38F-3375799D5378@gmail.com> <4F7A8728.1000908@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Peter! Your advice regarding making the usb live cd image is spot-on; I now have a drive with the live cdimage as one part, and the rest as a persistent store. In an estimated 3/5 start attempts, after choosing 'try ubuntu', Ubiquity crashes, leaving me a running Orca, but no ui of any kind. I cannot even use 'alt-ctrl-f1' through 'alt-ctrl-f11' to get to other virtual consoles, from which to restart lightdm. On those occasions where I can start the session with the 'try' button, I can log out, then back in, getting a working ubuntu-2d session. Maybe the switching to the 'try ubuntu' live session will be fixed in the 4-April daily live build? Such sessions work as they should, for several (never more than 15 or so) minutes, then deteriorate until they're non-functional. In the most recent session, the first sign of trouble was that the speaking of menus became irratic, until it just stopped. At this point, the speaking of focused app on a press and hole of 'alt-tab' stopped, as if I'd somehow switched to 3d session. I opened a Nautilus window at this point; the delay between my key presses and Orca speaking made it useless. HTH, Dave On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > I don't know for sure what will happen if you'll point installer to an > existing not empty partition and instruct it not to format the partition. > I think I've tried doing that and then I've got a warning about some of my > files being deleted so I've chosen another empty partition instead. > > Perhaps you might first try making your live usb persistent so you can test > it better and then finally if you are happy with it you can just backup your > files as you have already done and install to an empty partition. To make > your usb live persistent boot from that live usb or any distro you have > installed on the machine, use gparted, diskutility or whatever you like to > create an ext3 partition on a remainning unallocated space of the usb device. > Give this new partition name 'casper-rw' without the quotes. Make sure it's > all lower case. After doing this your usb live should turn into persistent on > the next boot. > > Greetings > > Peter > > > > On 3.4.2012 5:43, Dave Hunt wrote: >> >> I'll look at the partition scheme and keep the mount points, if the disk >> is set up correctly. What would happen if it's one big partition, and I >> tell the installer not to format? Will it over-write or just refuse to >> do anything? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I recommend you to play with live cd a bit whether the crashes are >>> reproducible and try reporting if thats indeed possible in such a >>> broken state you are getting. >>> I know you can choose where to install grub during the install as well >>> as choosing existing partitions with their mount points however i dont >>> know if it can pick your files from other distros. >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 23:15, Dave Hunt napísal: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but >>>> the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash >>>> drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install. >>>> It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, >>>> start orca. >>>> >>>> Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash >>>> drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I >>>> get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. >>>> I start orca in this session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can >>>> go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way. This >>>> Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then the Unity Service >>>> Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and leaving me >>>> with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'. >>>> Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no >>>> components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my >>>> user data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option >>>> in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the >>>> partitions? If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, >>>> will my stuff be there when I login? I've already backed up the >>>> files of interest to another machine on my home network. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB >>>>> drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device >>>>> while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. >>>>> If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted >>>>> on startup. >>>>> You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has >>>>> some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. >>>>> I have used command >>>>> Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute >>>>> >>>>> Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable >>>>> and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running >>>>> ssh. >>>>> To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- >>>>> - press ctrl+s to start orca >>>>> - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you >>>>> should land in the orca window. >>>>> - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window >>>>> - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu >>>>> button and space to activate it >>>>> - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t >>>>> to launch terminal. >>>>> >>>>> I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do >>>>> in the past. >>>>> >>>>> Greetintz >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt napísal: >>>>> >>>>>> Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, >>>>>> and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's >>>>>> capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never >>>>>> get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music >>>>>> ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb >>>>>> system? I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive >>>>>> directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system >>>>>> (ignore line breaks). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> sudo unetbootin method=diskimage >>>>>> isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso >>>>>> installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 >>>>>> autoinstall=yes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>>>>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>> > > > From pvdeejay at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 15:27:03 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?=) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 17:27:03 +0200 Subject: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04? Thanks! In-Reply-To: References: <1ADE8E41-1CD4-4E5C-A38F-3375799D5378@gmail.com> <4F7A8728.1000908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0343D39C-5207-444A-B395-7C2A631C1273@gmail.com> Hello, Have you also tried doing it like krishnakant does it? i.e. Starting orca blindly then logging out and trying to get unity 2d working? It appears unity 3d is crashing on your machine. These steps dont appear to work for me but since they work for krishnakant they may work for you as well. Greetings Peter Dňa 3.4.2012, o 16:52, Dave Hunt napísal: > Hi, Peter! > > Your advice regarding making the usb live cd image is spot-on; I now have a drive with the live cdimage as one part, and the rest as a persistent store. > > In an estimated 3/5 start attempts, after choosing 'try ubuntu', Ubiquity crashes, leaving me a running Orca, but no ui of any kind. I cannot even use 'alt-ctrl-f1' through 'alt-ctrl-f11' to get to other virtual consoles, from which to restart lightdm. On those occasions where I can start the session with the 'try' button, I can log out, then back in, getting a working ubuntu-2d session. Maybe the switching to the 'try ubuntu' live session will be fixed in the 4-April daily live build? Such sessions work as they should, for several (never more than 15 or so) minutes, then deteriorate until they're non-functional. In the most recent session, the first sign of trouble was that the speaking of menus became irratic, until it just stopped. At this point, the speaking of focused app on a press and hole of 'alt-tab' stopped, as if I'd somehow switched to 3d session. I opened a Nautilus window at this point; the delay between my key presses and Orca speaking made it useless. > > HTH, > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: > >> Hello, >> I don't know for sure what will happen if you'll point installer to an existing not empty partition and instruct it not to format the partition. >> I think I've tried doing that and then I've got a warning about some of my files being deleted so I've chosen another empty partition instead. >> >> Perhaps you might first try making your live usb persistent so you can test it better and then finally if you are happy with it you can just backup your files as you have already done and install to an empty partition. To make your usb live persistent boot from that live usb or any distro you have installed on the machine, use gparted, diskutility or whatever you like to create an ext3 partition on a remainning unallocated space of the usb device. Give this new partition name 'casper-rw' without the quotes. Make sure it's all lower case. After doing this your usb live should turn into persistent on the next boot. >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> On 3.4.2012 5:43, Dave Hunt wrote: >>> I'll look at the partition scheme and keep the mount points, if the disk >>> is set up correctly. What would happen if it's one big partition, and I >>> tell the installer not to format? Will it over-write or just refuse to >>> do anything? >>> Thanks, >>> Dave >>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I recommend you to play with live cd a bit whether the crashes are >>>> reproducible and try reporting if thats indeed possible in such a >>>> broken state you are getting. >>>> I know you can choose where to install grub during the install as well >>>> as choosing existing partitions with their mount points however i dont >>>> know if it can pick your files from other distros. >>>> Greetings >>>> Peter >>>> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 23:15, Dave Hunt napísal: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but >>>>> the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash >>>>> drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install. >>>>> It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, >>>>> start orca. >>>>> Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash >>>>> drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I >>>>> get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. >>>>> I start orca in this session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can >>>>> go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way. This >>>>> Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then the Unity Service >>>>> Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and leaving me >>>>> with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'. >>>>> Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no >>>>> components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my >>>>> user data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option >>>>> in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the >>>>> partitions? If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, >>>>> will my stuff be there when I login? I've already backed up the >>>>> files of interest to another machine on my home network. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Dave >>>>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB >>>>>> drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device >>>>>> while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. >>>>>> If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted >>>>>> on startup. >>>>>> You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has >>>>>> some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. >>>>>> I have used command >>>>>> Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute >>>>>> Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable >>>>>> and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running >>>>>> ssh. >>>>>> To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- >>>>>> - press ctrl+s to start orca >>>>>> - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you >>>>>> should land in the orca window. >>>>>> - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window >>>>>> - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu >>>>>> button and space to activate it >>>>>> - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t >>>>>> to launch terminal. >>>>>> I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do >>>>>> in the past. >>>>>> Greetintz >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt napísal: >>>>>>> Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. >>>>>>> When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, >>>>>>> and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's >>>>>>> capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never >>>>>>> get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music >>>>>>> ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb >>>>>>> system? I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive >>>>>>> directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system >>>>>>> (ignore line breaks). >>>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> sudo unetbootin method=diskimage >>>>>>> isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso >>>>>>> installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace=9999 >>>>>>> autoinstall=yes >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>>>>>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> >> From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Apr 4 10:16:59 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:16:59 +0200 Subject: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation Message-ID: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> Hy, I installed with python-pyatspi2 with 2.4.0+dfsg-0ubuntu2 package version with normal upgrade. After the installation Orca unable to import pyatspi module my Precise system. Anybody be carefuly until this bug is not fixed and not install upgrades. I reported this issue under Launchpad with following report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/973229 Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Apr 4 10:43:42 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:43:42 +0200 Subject: Anybody not known why very need changing the default Show desktop shortcut from super+d to Super+Ctrl+d keystroke? Message-ID: <4F7C25DE.3020804@pickup.hu> Hy, If anybody not known, latest Metacity related upgrade changing the default desktop show keystroke from super+d to Super+Ctrl+d keystroke, I think the changes happened too in Unity environment, so don't surprise. Look the changelog with new changed keystrokes: "metacity (1:2.34.1-1ubuntu10) precise; urgency=low * debian/metacity-common.gconf-defaults: - change the shortcuts as per design request: (LP: #969235) Ctrl + Super + D Minimises all windows Ctrl + Super + Cursor up Maximises the current window Ctrl + Super + Cursor down Restores or minimises current window" Look following bug to see the entire change history: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/969235 Personaly, very new this keystroke me. Oldest time desktop activation keystroke in GNOME is CTRL+ALT+D (two hands command). This command are used Ubuntu too before Natty. I think Natty this is changed with Super+d keystroke, some time this keystroke change very useful for laptops or netbooks. For example, I very like this change, because some time fast possible press this keystroke with one hand if my other hand have the braille display. Now, this command changed again with Super+CTRL+d command, for example my laptop very difficult to press this command with left hand, because between super key and CTRL key have the laptop FN key. If very need change this commands, why not use oldest traditional CTRL+ALT style keystrokes? I don't understand this. I have got a question: If I configuring custom keybinding command with show desktop related keybinding, future any upgrade will be not owerwriting my custom settings again? Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 4 10:59:28 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:59:28 -0300 Subject: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation In-Reply-To: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> References: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F7C2990.6070901@informal.com.br> This is confirmed! Unfortunately I already updated!!! Is there a temporary fix? Thanks. On 04/04/2012 07:16 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I installed with python-pyatspi2 with 2.4.0+dfsg-0ubuntu2 package > version with normal upgrade. > After the installation Orca unable to import pyatspi module my Precise > system. Anybody be carefuly until this bug is not fixed and not install > upgrades. > I reported this issue under Launchpad with following report: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/973229 > > Attila > From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Apr 4 12:18:17 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:18:17 +0200 Subject: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation In-Reply-To: <4F7C2990.6070901@informal.com.br> References: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> <4F7C2990.6070901@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4F7C3C09.1010607@pickup.hu> Hy José, Very sorry the confirmation. Unfortunately the workaround is little difficult and not elegant. I doed following commands in a live system to verify the package build, you use own risk your installed system: 1. sudo apt-get install devscripts 2. sudo apt-get build-dep python-pyatspi2. 3. cd /usr/src 4. sudo apt-get source python-pyatspi2 5. sudo cd the pyatspi related directory. 6. sudo debuild 7. sudo cd debian/tmp 8. sudo cp -r usr / 9. Verify orca -v command result. If not have pyatspi related traceback, all works right again. Of course, the cp related command you possible give other place. For example if you mounted your root partition, you need replace the / path with correct mount point if you not working your installed system. If this is the case and you would like verify possible importing the pyatspi related modules, you need chrooting your installed system, and run orca -v command or run simple python code after you launched python: import pyatspi If you not get traceback error messages, all works right. If not have you a braille display and not possible to work in console your installed system, need sighted assistance all task, except you not using with speakup. Summary, I don't no why, but the buggy python-pyatspi2 package not installed python bindings with correct usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyatspi folder. Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 4 12:28:45 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 09:28:45 -0300 Subject: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation In-Reply-To: <4F7C3C09.1010607@pickup.hu> References: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> <4F7C2990.6070901@informal.com.br> <4F7C3C09.1010607@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F7C3E7D.4060708@informal.com.br> Hi attila, thanks for the steps. I'll give a try. Fortunately I installed speakup! Thanks again. On 04/04/2012 09:18 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy José, > > Very sorry the confirmation. > Unfortunately the workaround is little difficult and not elegant. > I doed following commands in a live system to verify the package build, > you use own risk your installed system: > 1. sudo apt-get install devscripts > 2. sudo apt-get build-dep python-pyatspi2. > 3. cd /usr/src > 4. sudo apt-get source python-pyatspi2 > 5. sudo cd the pyatspi related directory. > 6. sudo debuild > 7. sudo cd debian/tmp > 8. sudo cp -r usr / > 9. Verify orca -v command result. If not have pyatspi related traceback, > all works right again. > > Of course, the cp related command you possible give other place. For > example if you mounted your root partition, you need replace the / path > with correct mount point if you not working your installed system. > If this is the case and you would like verify possible importing the > pyatspi related modules, you need chrooting your installed system, and > run orca -v command or run simple python code after you launched python: > import pyatspi > If you not get traceback error messages, all works right. > > If not have you a braille display and not possible to work in console > your installed system, need sighted assistance all task, except you not > using with speakup. > > Summary, I don't no why, but the buggy python-pyatspi2 package not > installed python bindings with correct > usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyatspi folder. > > Attila > From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Apr 4 14:54:19 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:54:19 +0200 Subject: I reported a caret navigation related issue with checkbox application Message-ID: <4F7C609B.9030208@pickup.hu> Hy, Nnow in Ubuntu Precise the checkbox-qt package are default installed. Both the QT interface and the old GTK interface the readonly textview widgets the caret navigation are disabled, Orca doesn't speak selected lines with arrow key movements. I reported this issue in Launchpad, and attached a beginning patch with the GTK interface: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/973430 In the GTK interface the caret navigation already work, but the new textview widget the cursor lands default with end of the textview content. In QT interface I not have ydea how can possible resolving the caret navigation related issue. In Ubuntu 12.04 with qt-at-spi 0.2.0-0ubuntu1 version are packaged. Not this is the latest upstream stable version with are fixed text entryes related issues (for example spokening deleted characters, etc)? Attila From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 15:25:37 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:55:37 +0530 Subject: I reported a caret navigation related issue with checkbox application In-Reply-To: <4F7C609B.9030208@pickup.hu> References: <4F7C609B.9030208@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F7C67F1.2050604@gmail.com> Hi, Which daily build contains this bug? I think since all major things are working pritty fine, this would be quite easy to sort out. I will have some good internet connection tomorrow so would download the daily build for sure. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/04/12 20:24, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Nnow in Ubuntu Precise the checkbox-qt package are default installed. > Both the QT interface and the old GTK interface the readonly textview > widgets the caret navigation are disabled, Orca doesn't speak selected > lines with arrow key movements. > I reported this issue in Launchpad, and attached a beginning patch > with the GTK interface: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/973430 > > In the GTK interface the caret navigation already work, but the new > textview widget the cursor lands default with end of the textview > content. > > In QT interface I not have ydea how can possible resolving the caret > navigation related issue. In Ubuntu 12.04 with qt-at-spi > 0.2.0-0ubuntu1 version are packaged. > Not this is the latest upstream stable version with are fixed text > entryes related issues (for example spokening deleted characters, etc)? > > Attila > From pvdeejay at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 17:58:04 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?=) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:58:04 +0200 Subject: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation In-Reply-To: <4F7C3E7D.4060708@informal.com.br> References: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> <4F7C2990.6070901@informal.com.br> <4F7C3C09.1010607@pickup.hu> <4F7C3E7D.4060708@informal.com.br> Message-ID: Hello, Is the apr 4 daily live cd affected or it only happens after the package update? Greetings Peter Dňa 4.4.2012, o 14:28, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza napísal: > Hi attila, thanks for the steps. I'll give a try. > Fortunately I installed speakup! > Thanks again. > > On 04/04/2012 09:18 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: >> Hy José, >> >> Very sorry the confirmation. >> Unfortunately the workaround is little difficult and not elegant. >> I doed following commands in a live system to verify the package build, >> you use own risk your installed system: >> 1. sudo apt-get install devscripts >> 2. sudo apt-get build-dep python-pyatspi2. >> 3. cd /usr/src >> 4. sudo apt-get source python-pyatspi2 >> 5. sudo cd the pyatspi related directory. >> 6. sudo debuild >> 7. sudo cd debian/tmp >> 8. sudo cp -r usr / >> 9. Verify orca -v command result. If not have pyatspi related traceback, >> all works right again. >> >> Of course, the cp related command you possible give other place. For >> example if you mounted your root partition, you need replace the / path >> with correct mount point if you not working your installed system. >> If this is the case and you would like verify possible importing the >> pyatspi related modules, you need chrooting your installed system, and >> run orca -v command or run simple python code after you launched python: >> import pyatspi >> If you not get traceback error messages, all works right. >> >> If not have you a braille display and not possible to work in console >> your installed system, need sighted assistance all task, except you not >> using with speakup. >> >> Summary, I don't no why, but the buggy python-pyatspi2 package not >> installed python bindings with correct >> usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyatspi folder. >> >> Attila >> > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 4 18:20:48 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:20:48 -0300 Subject: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation In-Reply-To: References: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> <4F7C2990.6070901@informal.com.br> <4F7C3C09.1010607@pickup.hu> <4F7C3E7D.4060708@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4F7C9100.5000005@informal.com.br> Hi peter. I am not sure because I've only updated my installation. On 04/04/2012 02:58 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > Is the apr 4 daily live cd affected or it only happens after the package update? > Greetings > > Peter > > > Dňa 4.4.2012, o 14:28, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza napísal: > >> Hi attila, thanks for the steps. I'll give a try. >> Fortunately I installed speakup! >> Thanks again. >> >> On 04/04/2012 09:18 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: >>> Hy José, >>> >>> Very sorry the confirmation. >>> Unfortunately the workaround is little difficult and not elegant. >>> I doed following commands in a live system to verify the package build, >>> you use own risk your installed system: >>> 1. sudo apt-get install devscripts >>> 2. sudo apt-get build-dep python-pyatspi2. >>> 3. cd /usr/src >>> 4. sudo apt-get source python-pyatspi2 >>> 5. sudo cd the pyatspi related directory. >>> 6. sudo debuild >>> 7. sudo cd debian/tmp >>> 8. sudo cp -r usr / >>> 9. Verify orca -v command result. If not have pyatspi related traceback, >>> all works right again. >>> >>> Of course, the cp related command you possible give other place. For >>> example if you mounted your root partition, you need replace the / path >>> with correct mount point if you not working your installed system. >>> If this is the case and you would like verify possible importing the >>> pyatspi related modules, you need chrooting your installed system, and >>> run orca -v command or run simple python code after you launched python: >>> import pyatspi >>> If you not get traceback error messages, all works right. >>> >>> If not have you a braille display and not possible to work in console >>> your installed system, need sighted assistance all task, except you not >>> using with speakup. >>> >>> Summary, I don't no why, but the buggy python-pyatspi2 package not >>> installed python bindings with correct >>> usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyatspi folder. >>> >>> Attila >>> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 18:46:04 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Netbook doesn't like latest Unuty-2d or 3d Message-ID: Hi, Here's the latest on my playing with the Ubuntu beta for 04-April. After getting the system started, I hit the 'try Ubuntu' button, and got a talking Unity-2d session. I set Orca's preferences and made a couple of keyboard shortcuts, using the gnome control center, launched from the Unity launcher as 'system settings'. I opened a Nautilus window on my home folder, also with the launcher, using 'super+2'. Using the menu, I found and connected to my wifi access point. With the connection now open, I hit some web pages. Since gedit is not on the launcher by default, I used 'alt+f2' to type its name. Orca was silent here. Orca did not focus on the gedit window until I used 'super+3' to focus on my running browser, then use 'alt+tab' to go to gedit. I could read and type in this window, but Orca was show to echo my typing or read the character at cursor. Thinking I could speed up Orca by restarting it, I used 'alt+f2' to type 'orca --replace'. The 'replace' switch seemed to be ignored, and I got two running instances of Orca. I opened a terminal, using 'ctrl+alt+t', and had to play with app switching to get focus. I typed 'orca --quit' to the terminal, to stop these instances. I started orca from the terminal. As a test, I tried opening the application manus with 'alt+f10'; orca did not read them. I tried to switch to my gedit window, with 'alt+tab', and orca stayed silent until I released both keys. When speech resumed, it took several seconds to do so. At this point, I decided the session was hopelessly thrashing, and mashed the power button to shut it down, since nothing was talking anymore. If this account can help someone, please let me know. Also, what further detail can I provide in order to help the effort? Cheers, Dave From pvdeejay at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 19:01:07 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Peter_V=C3=A1gner?=) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:01:07 +0200 Subject: Netbook doesn't like latest Unuty-2d or 3d In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2DE184E9-7E15-4196-A862-B6DF7EC342DF@gmail.com> Hello, Maybe i am speculating too much but this appears to me like the issue i have tried to report in my long message on mondayslow system responses, broken alt+tab key navigation and possibly other keyboard issues. Greetings Peter Dňa 4.4.2012, o 20:46, Dave Hunt napísal: > Hi, > > Here's the latest on my playing with the Ubuntu beta for 04-April. > > After getting the system started, I hit the 'try Ubuntu' button, and got a talking Unity-2d session. I set Orca's preferences and made a couple of keyboard shortcuts, using the gnome control center, launched from the Unity launcher as 'system settings'. I opened a Nautilus window on my home folder, also with the launcher, using 'super+2'. Using the menu, I found and connected to my wifi access point. With the connection now open, I hit some web pages. Since gedit is not on the launcher by default, I used 'alt+f2' to type its name. Orca was silent here. Orca did not focus on the gedit window until I used 'super+3' to focus on my running browser, then use 'alt+tab' to go to gedit. I could read and type in this window, but Orca was show to echo my typing or read the character at cursor. Thinking I could speed up Orca by restarting it, I used 'alt+f2' to type 'orca --replace'. The 'replace' switch seemed to be ignored, and I got two running instances of Orca. I opened a terminal, using 'ctrl+alt+t', and had to play with app switching to get focus. I typed 'orca --quit' to the terminal, to stop these instances. I started orca from the terminal. As a test, I tried opening the application manus with 'alt+f10'; orca did not read them. I tried to switch to my gedit window, with 'alt+tab', and orca stayed silent until I released both keys. When speech resumed, it took several seconds to do so. At this point, I decided the session was hopelessly thrashing, and mashed the power button to shut it down, since nothing was talking anymore. > > If this account can help someone, please let me know. Also, what further detail can I provide in order to help the effort? > > > > Cheers, > > > Dave > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Apr 5 00:13:41 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:13:41 +1000 Subject: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation In-Reply-To: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> References: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20120405001341.GA21809@acapella> On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 08:16:59PM EST, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I installed with python-pyatspi2 with 2.4.0+dfsg-0ubuntu2 package > version with normal upgrade. > After the installation Orca unable to import pyatspi module my > Precise system. Anybody be carefuly until this bug is not fixed and > not install upgrades. > I reported this issue under Launchpad with following report: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/973229 Thanks for the bug, and my apologies. I was working on fixing an upgrade bug that was being experienced when users upgrade from Lucid, which required adding another package to the pyatspi source package. I neglected to make sure the pyatspi module was being put into a package at all, let alone the right package, as I assumed that it would continue to work as it always did. That wasn't the case. Once the new binary package is available, I will reply to this post giving a link to the deb that people can download directly, and get installed ASAP. At this time of the cycle, such things should not fall through the cracks, but this is a good learning experience and teaches one to be more careful. Apologies once again. Luke From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Apr 5 05:16:39 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:16:39 +0200 Subject: I reported a caret navigation related issue with checkbox application In-Reply-To: <4F7C67F1.2050604@gmail.com> References: <4F7C609B.9030208@pickup.hu> <4F7C67F1.2050604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F7D2AB7.2010302@pickup.hu> Hy Krishnakant, You don't need a daily build if you have an installed Ubuntu 12.04 system. Launch simple the check box application in terminal the checkbox command, and try read the read-only textview content with down arrow key. If you would like trying the gtk interface, install checkbox-gtk package, launch the checkbox-gtk application in terminal and try equals test. Default my system both two interface down arrow key press Orca not speaking the selected line, because the caret navigation default is not enabled. The GTK interface absolute sure, because if I press F7 key, caret navigation again works right. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Apr 5 05:21:58 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:21:58 +0200 Subject: Be carefuly, don't install latest python-pyatspi2 related update, because Orca unable to import pyatspi module after installation In-Reply-To: <20120405001341.GA21809@acapella> References: <4F7C1F9B.7020704@pickup.hu> <20120405001341.GA21809@acapella> Message-ID: <4F7D2BF6.2020109@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke fixed with python-pyatspi2 related bug, upgrade is safe again. Thank you Luke the fix, Attila From pvdeejay at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 07:40:10 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:40:10 +0200 Subject: I reported a caret navigation related issue with checkbox application In-Reply-To: <4F7D2AB7.2010302@pickup.hu> References: <4F7C609B.9030208@pickup.hu> <4F7C67F1.2050604@gmail.com> <4F7D2AB7.2010302@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F7D4C5A.8020408@gmail.com> Hello, Isn't there a hope for a more universal fix to this? I know empathy and pidgin and possibly other apps also feature read-only edit boxes. If this solution is accepted then it has to be done for all the application. Shouldn't there be a feature in gtk+ it-self or other library where it's more appropriate which enables AT's to read the content eventhough the caret is not visually shown on the screen? Greetings Peter On 5.4.2012 7:16, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Krishnakant, > > You don't need a daily build if you have an installed Ubuntu 12.04 system. > Launch simple the check box application in terminal the checkbox > command, and try read the read-only textview content with down arrow key. > If you would like trying the gtk interface, install checkbox-gtk > package, launch the checkbox-gtk application in terminal and try equals > test. > Default my system both two interface down arrow key press Orca not > speaking the selected line, because the caret navigation default is not > enabled. The GTK interface absolute sure, because if I press F7 key, > caret navigation again works right. > > Attila > From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Apr 5 08:31:09 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:31:09 +0200 Subject: I reported a caret navigation related issue with checkbox application In-Reply-To: <4F7D4C5A.8020408@gmail.com> References: <4F7C609B.9030208@pickup.hu> <4F7C67F1.2050604@gmail.com> <4F7D2AB7.2010302@pickup.hu> <4F7D4C5A.8020408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F7D584D.4070703@pickup.hu> Hy Peter, I absolute agree your comment, and reported following bug in GTK+: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673557 Hopefuly will be general fixing GTK developers this issue. Attila From ka1cey at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 21:44:14 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tales of 2d Unity Message-ID: Hi, I did some playing with a flash drive installation of Ubuntu 12.04, as released on 05-April, and had the best Unity-2d session yet, though did manage to crash the shell 3 times. With each shell crash, I could have the shell automatically relaunch. All crashes are reported in launchpad. When my system starts, it automatically logs in as the user Ubuntu. Orca is supposed to start on login, but this does not seem to happen, though, perhaps, it is attempted? I always have to start Orca manually, after waiting for the complete desktop to be present. When Orca is fully running, I discover that the shell had crashed, and have the bug report form available, with the 'close' and 'relaunch' buttons. When I hit 'relaunch, I can use the pre-loaded browser to fill the form, and continue. From this point, the shell restarts, and appears to run as expected. That is, I have access to the menus at all times, The dash and launcher seem to keep wirking. I even added some items to the launcher, and their shortcuts persist. I tried to use the heads-up display to find something on my hard drive, which is mounted in the '/media' directory, (confirmed by directory listing in terminal). I believe a single press and release of the 'alt' key is how one is supposed to do this? It resulted in a Unity shell crash, again, filed, using aport, and launchpad. The Unity shell relaunched and was usable, again, until I shut the system down normally. My experience with browsing attempts in the hud does lead me to another question. In my installed Trisquel system, I have a 'network' place, that shows me the other machines on my local network, and lets me login, using sftp. I get a nice Nautilus display of the directories I'm allowed to see, with cut, copy, paste, and so on, options, as if these sites were local folders. I've never found a way to see these things in Unity, past or present. Anyone know how to do this? I'm not sure whether I'm ready to turn this machine into a pangalin just yet, but I'm feeling a lot better about Unity-2d than I did yesterday at this time. A switch may be the easiest and best way to keep my accessibility stack current. Trisquel's 6 months behind, though, solid. Maybe I can run Classic Gnome, in 12.04, and have the best option? Cheers, Dave From terryjones130 at msn.com Fri Apr 6 06:57:22 2012 From: terryjones130 at msn.com (Terry Jones) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:57:22 -0500 Subject: 10% discount Message-ID: http://flightsim.datagrind.com/images/games/pacificstrike/frkup.php Your coupon discount. Coupon code: 107376836 Discount: 10% 4/5/2012 11:56:59 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krmane at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 15:44:31 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 21:14:31 +0530 Subject: Tales of 2d Unity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave, Happy to know that you got a better experience with Unity this time. With cut copy paste, I have one suggestion. Why can't we have orca responding "cut to clipboard or copy to clipboard " when we cut or copy and "pasted from clipboard " when we paist it. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 06/04/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I did some playing with a flash drive installation of Ubuntu 12.04, as > released on 05-April, and had the best Unity-2d session yet, though did > manage to crash the shell 3 times. With each shell crash, I could have > the shell automatically relaunch. All crashes are reported in launchpad. > > When my system starts, it automatically logs in as the user Ubuntu. Orca > is supposed to start on login, but this does not seem to happen, though, > perhaps, it is attempted? I always have to start Orca manually, after > waiting for the complete desktop to be present. When Orca is fully > running, I discover that the shell had crashed, and have the bug report > form available, with the 'close' and 'relaunch' buttons. When I hit > 'relaunch, I can use the pre-loaded browser to fill the form, and > continue. From this point, the shell restarts, and appears to run as > expected. That is, I have access to the menus at all times, The dash and > launcher seem to keep wirking. I even added some items to the launcher, > and their shortcuts persist. I tried to use the heads-up display to find > something on my hard drive, which is mounted in the '/media' directory, > (confirmed by directory listing in terminal). I believe a single press > and release of the 'alt' key is how one is supposed to do this? It > resulted in a Unity shell crash, again, filed, using aport, and launchpad. > The Unity shell relaunched and was usable, again, until I shut the system > down normally. > > My experience with browsing attempts in the hud does lead me to another > question. In my installed Trisquel system, I have a 'network' place, that > shows me the other machines on my local network, and lets me login, using > sftp. I get a nice Nautilus display of the directories I'm allowed to > see, with cut, copy, paste, and so on, options, as if these sites were > local folders. I've never found a way to see these things in Unity, past > or present. Anyone know how to do this? > > I'm not sure whether I'm ready to turn this machine into a pangalin just > yet, but I'm feeling a lot better about Unity-2d than I did yesterday at > this time. A switch may be the easiest and best way to keep my > accessibility stack current. Trisquel's 6 months behind, though, solid. > Maybe I can run Classic Gnome, in 12.04, and have the best option? > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Apr 7 07:33:12 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:33:12 +0200 Subject: A question with Unity 2d launcher pop up menues related Message-ID: <4F7FEDB8.3060302@pickup.hu> Hy, I am not yet an experienced Unity 2d user, I begin using Unity 2d with testing purposes few days ago. If I activating in Unity 2d the launcher with ALT+F1 key, choose for example Ubuntu Software Center and press right arrow, Orca spokening again Ubuntu Software Center and spokening menu position index with 1 of 2 menu items awailable. If I press down arrow, the caret jumps Ubuntu One icon in the launcher. This is the right working method with launcher? If I press for example two right arrow with the main Ubuntu Software Center icon, possible correct selecting the Ubuntu Software Center menu item and the Unlock from launcher menu item. Need reporting this issue under Launchpad.net, or this issue already reported? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Apr 7 11:25:02 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:25:02 +0200 Subject: A possible bug in HUD? Message-ID: <4F80240E.5020606@pickup.hu> Hy, I worked lot of time with Audacity, and HUD is helps my work absolute if for example I want fast search normalize or increasing volume menu items. When I used HUD, I see a possible bug: If HUD found right the want selecting menu item and I press ENTER key the result, the new opened dialog possible doesn't get focus and not activated. If I press ALT+F6 keystroke, the selected dialog is focused right. I looked this problem for example with Gedit application, the result is equals. Reproducation steps: 1. Launch Gedit. 2. Press ALT key, and if you use english locale, type prefe string. HUD right found the edit menu/preferences menu item. 3. Press ENTER key. The opened preferences dialog is not focused, you need activating ALT+F6 keystroke. When I tested HUD, I using Orca Screen Reader, and used Unity 2d. Anybody possible verifying this issue without Orca running? Possible fixing this issue in HUD? Already reported this issue? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Apr 7 12:11:08 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 14:11:08 +0200 Subject: Main menues and indicator main categories doesn't presenting with the braille display in Unity 2d Message-ID: <4F802EDC.3000707@pickup.hu> Hy, Yesterday Joanie fixed with an Orca braille module bug with Indicator main categories related: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673648 The problem is following: Orca sending right the selected main indicator categories with the braille display, but after the right text presenting I see my braille display in Unity 2d with following text: "Unity-panel-service application window" The problem unfortunately I think not indicators specific, I reproduced this issue with any applications. An example reproducation steps if you using braille display: 1. Launch Terminal. 2. Press F10 key. Orca right presenting braille the first selected menu item in file menu. 3. Press right arrow. Orca want presenting the new selected Edit main menu, but Unity send the quoted text. For example, the speech output is following when I pressed right arrow in Terminal: "Edit label Window" I have equals experiences under Gedit application. Why not menu the edit menu role type? Why label? When I experienced this issue, I used Unity 2d and I using Orca latest master version. Already reported this issue? If not, enough to report Launchpad this problem in Unity package and paste this letter, or need some extra informations if I would like doing absolute correct report? Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Sat Apr 7 12:25:55 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:25:55 -0300 Subject: A possible bug in HUD? In-Reply-To: <4F80240E.5020606@pickup.hu> References: <4F80240E.5020606@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F803253.2020106@informal.com.br> Hi Attila, this is confirmed. On 04/07/2012 08:25 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I worked lot of time with Audacity, and HUD is helps my work absolute if > for example I want fast search normalize or increasing volume menu items. > When I used HUD, I see a possible bug: > If HUD found right the want selecting menu item and I press ENTER key > the result, the new opened dialog possible doesn't get focus and not > activated. If I press ALT+F6 keystroke, the selected dialog is focused > right. > I looked this problem for example with Gedit application, the result is > equals. > > Reproducation steps: > 1. Launch Gedit. > 2. Press ALT key, and if you use english locale, type prefe string. HUD > right found the edit menu/preferences menu item. > 3. Press ENTER key. > The opened preferences dialog is not focused, you need activating ALT+F6 > keystroke. > When I tested HUD, I using Orca Screen Reader, and used Unity 2d. > Anybody possible verifying this issue without Orca running? > Possible fixing this issue in HUD? > Already reported this issue? > > Attila > From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Apr 7 12:40:06 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 14:40:06 +0200 Subject: A possible bug in HUD? In-Reply-To: <4F803253.2020106@informal.com.br> References: <4F80240E.5020606@pickup.hu> <4F803253.2020106@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4F8035A6.8080100@pickup.hu> Hy, Andy, José, thanks the confirmation. You using Orca when looked the test? Unfortunately the problem happening too if Orca not running I think. When I tryed searching HUD with Gedit preferences menu and pressed ENTER key, TAB and SHIFT+TAB not moved preferences dialogue widgets until I not pressed ALT+F6 key combination. What package/component need reporting this issue? Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Sat Apr 7 12:49:50 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:49:50 -0300 Subject: A possible bug in HUD? In-Reply-To: <4F8035A6.8080100@pickup.hu> References: <4F80240E.5020606@pickup.hu> <4F803253.2020106@informal.com.br> <4F8035A6.8080100@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F8037EE.2030402@informal.com.br> Hi Attila, running with orca from master and ubuntu 12.04. On 04/07/2012 09:40 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Andy, José, thanks the confirmation. You using Orca when looked the test? > Unfortunately the problem happening too if Orca not running I think. > When I tryed searching HUD with Gedit preferences menu and pressed ENTER > key, TAB and SHIFT+TAB not moved preferences dialogue widgets until I > not pressed ALT+F6 key combination. > What package/component need reporting this issue? > > Attila > From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 21:27:17 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:27:17 -0400 Subject: How to use the HUD? Message-ID: <4F80B135.50407@gmail.com> Hi, Since I had a quiet day at home alone, I took the plunge and put the 12.04 release, dated 07-April onto my trusty note-taker. I'm trying to figure how the HUD works. I hit 'alt', and type in a search key, for instance, "preferences", while focused on a Firefox window. As it happens, I guess the best result was the preferences for FF, but, what if I wanted some other preferences? After typing my key, I tried moving around with the arrow keys. How am I supposed to navigate my search hits? Cheers, Dave From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Sat Apr 7 23:51:25 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:51:25 -0700 Subject: booting to ubuntu live cd in vmware and starting orca? Message-ID: <4F80D2FD.60601@hanksmith.net> Hello what is the process of booting ubuntu live cd 11.10 and starting orca in vmware work station? also once I get orca up how do I then install in vmware workstation? I am using windows 7 64 bit thanks bunches. Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Apr 8 06:59:38 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 08:59:38 +0200 Subject: A possible bug in HUD? In-Reply-To: <4F80240E.5020606@pickup.hu> References: <4F80240E.5020606@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F81375A.30105@pickup.hu> Hy, José, Andi, click following link, choose yes radio button if not selected, and choose the change button: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/976393/+affectsmetoo I reported with Unity 2d related the founded HUD issue, because I unable to test this problem with Unity 3d. Link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/976393 Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Apr 8 09:23:16 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 11:23:16 +0200 Subject: Some inaccessible applications related bug reports in Ubuntu 12.04 Message-ID: <4F815904.2080507@pickup.hu> Hy, If you have same experiences, click following links, choose yes radio button, and choose change button. 1. Language support preference dialog is inaccessible with Orca Screen reader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/976444/+affectsmetoo Same results have if you run in terminal the gnome-language-selector application command or gksu gnome-language-selector commands. Normal bug report link is following, if you would like sending comments or subscribe this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/976444 In Ubuntu 12.04 prewious possible switching system language in GNOME Control Center the keyboard layout page, but this is changed now my machine. Possible happening this change because now I using Unity 2d, or again redesigned some GNOME Control Center interfaces? 2. Usb-creator-gtk application UI interface is inaccessible with Orca Screen Reader: Direct link if you would like checking this bug affects you too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/976457/+affectsmetoo Normal bug report link is following, if you would like sending comments or subscribe this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/976457 Attila From pvdeejay at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 11:01:42 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:01:42 +0200 Subject: Some inaccessible applications related bug reports in Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F815904.2080507@pickup.hu> References: <4F815904.2080507@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F817016.1040608@gmail.com> Hello, TThese are verry good reports, most likelly I will add affects me too. However while I was browsing various settings I have found under keyboard layout quite a lot of options and it is possible to define a shortcut key for switching layouts. Might this be what you are looking for? On 08.04.2012 11:23, Hammer Attila wrote / wrote: > Hy, > > If you have same experiences, click following links, choose yes radio > button, and choose change button. > 1. Language support preference dialog is inaccessible with Orca Screen > reader: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/976444/+affectsmetoo > > Same results have if you run in terminal the gnome-language-selector > application command or gksu gnome-language-selector commands. > Normal bug report link is following, if you would like sending > comments or subscribe this bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/976444 > In Ubuntu 12.04 prewious possible switching system language in GNOME > Control Center the keyboard layout page, but this is changed now my > machine. Possible happening this change because now I using Unity 2d, > or again redesigned some GNOME Control Center interfaces? > > 2. Usb-creator-gtk application UI interface is inaccessible with Orca > Screen Reader: > Direct link if you would like checking this bug affects you too: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/976457/+affectsmetoo > > Normal bug report link is following, if you would like sending > comments or subscribe this bug: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/976457 > > Attila > From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Apr 8 11:18:09 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:18:09 +0200 Subject: Some inaccessible applications related bug reports in Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F817016.1040608@gmail.com> References: <4F815904.2080507@pickup.hu> <4F817016.1040608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F8173F1.9050807@pickup.hu> Peter, not. Few days prewious in Keyboard Layouts page have more tabs: Language, formats, etc. The language page tab possible changing for example the system language, but now in the layouts dialog only have layouts list, add keyboard layout, use the same layouts for all windows radio button, reset to defaults button, options... button, all settings button. This is independent the gnome-language-support inaccessibility related problem, but prewious have this possibility to change the language related settings in the keyboard layouts dialog too. Hopefuly this keyboard layout dialog change happened only my system, and this change don't resulting visualy impaired users unable to switch language with graphical way until the gnome-language-support application related problem is not fixed. Attila From pvdeejay at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 11:45:12 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:45:12 +0200 Subject: booting to ubuntu live cd in vmware and starting orca? In-Reply-To: <4F80D2FD.60601@hanksmith.net> References: <4F80D2FD.60601@hanksmith.net> Message-ID: <4F817A48.9090108@gmail.com> Hello, For specific stuff regarding ubuntu 2011.10 you migh like to read or reread the following article aat ubuntu accessibility team blog: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/ In ubuntu 12.04 you just bootfrom the cd or from the downloaded image I dont know enough details on vmware to be ableto givemore exact steps. Then immediaatelly after ubuntu 12.04 live is booting you shouldhear a drums sound. At thattime an installer window is displayed on the screen and you can start orca by pressing ctrl+s. Once the orca starts tallking its main window gainsthe system focus. So to return to the installer window you have to press alt+tabonce. In the installer windowyou can choose whether you want to install or just try out ubuntu. All of this is accessible. During the install you can choose whether you willbe logged aautomatically while running the installed system or not. Ubuntu 12.04 supports accessible login meaning you can press ctrl+s to start orca on the login screen but for some unknown reason I am getting no audible output on the login screen I have chosen to log me in automatically during installing. Other than this you shouldnþt have problems with the recent images. I have installed image from 7th of april and I am happy about it. Greetings Peter On 08.04.2012 01:51, Hank Smith wrote: > Hello what is the process of booting ubuntu live cd 11.10 and starting > orca in vmware work station? > also once I get orca up how do I then install in vmware workstation? > I am using windows 7 64 bit > thanks bunches. > Hank > From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Apr 8 12:35:21 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:35:21 +0200 Subject: Some inaccessible applications related bug reports in Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F8173F1.9050807@pickup.hu> References: <4F815904.2080507@pickup.hu> <4F817016.1040608@gmail.com> <4F8173F1.9050807@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F818609.80207@pickup.hu> Hy, A very surprise thing with keyboard layout preference tool related: Have differences this dialog in GNOME3 fallback session and in Unity 2d. In Unity 2d only the keyboard layouts related preferences are awailable, and missing the language related preference tabs. Reproducation steps: 1. Install gnome-fallback package. 2. Log out, and log in with Classic GNOME (no effects) session. 3. Launch GNOME Control Center, and choose keyboard layouts preference tool. You will be see more setting possibilities with more page tabs, for example easy to change the system language. 4. Repeat this test with Unity 2d. You not see any page tabs, only keyboard layouts related preferences are awailable. Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Sun Apr 8 12:38:58 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 14:38:58 +0200 Subject: Some inaccessible applications related bug reports in Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F818609.80207@pickup.hu> References: <4F815904.2080507@pickup.hu> <4F817016.1040608@gmail.com> <4F8173F1.9050807@pickup.hu> <4F818609.80207@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F8186E2.3010300@pickup.hu> Sorry, I wrote wrong the package, right package name is gnome-session-fallback. Attila From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 14:46:34 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:46:34 -0400 Subject: No accessibility in login after first session. Message-ID: <4F81A4CA.4050201@gmail.com> When I installed 12.04, I had one accessible login. Subsequent logins have no audio (drums or orca). Here's the bug I filed in Launchpad. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/976610 Thanks, Dave From terryjones130 at msn.com Sun Apr 8 14:53:41 2012 From: terryjones130 at msn.com (Terry Jones) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:53:41 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: http://jackfalanga.com/themes/cp_themes/default/frkup.php Your coupon discount. Coupon code: 107376836 Discount: 10% 4/8/2012 7:53:36 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Sun Apr 8 17:37:52 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:37:52 -0700 Subject: question about editing conf in ubuntu Message-ID: <4F81CCF0.9050205@hanksmith.net> hello is there a way in ubuntu 12.04 to edit config files with out having to go in to termonal? trying to edit my speech dispatcher.conf file and I don't want to do this in command line mode want to do this via gui. Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Sun Apr 8 17:39:07 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:39:07 -0700 Subject: gnome in ubuntu 12? Message-ID: <4F81CD3B.8020201@hanksmith.net> hello how do I also get gnome in ubuntu 12? do I have to install it manually? if so what do I do? want a fall back shell incase if I can't get around the unity desktop in 12.04 Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Sun Apr 8 17:49:52 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:49:52 -0700 Subject: finding apps in unity desktop? Message-ID: <4F81CFC0.80204@hanksmith.net> Hello I looked at the keyboard shortcut list for unity desktop for http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/what-are-unitys-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts I am still trying to figure out how to get to my apps. how do I do this? I am not understanding something. not sure if its yunity or what but I can't seem to get to my apps or anything. I tried alt f2 and also the windows key. can some one help me out? also if there is any audio tutorials for unity desktop to it would be appreciated. when I used linux last it was with gnome so this is totally 100 percent new and verry different. thanks bunches. Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 19:19:05 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:19:05 -0400 Subject: How to find another machine on my lan, using Unity 2d? Message-ID: <4F81E4A9.60304@gmail.com> Hi, In classic Gnome, I can easily locate and connect to any machine on my lan, using the 'network' option on the 'places' menu. The search options I've tried, so far, don't show my other machines. Is there supposed to be something like 'computers near me'? Thanks, Dave From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Mon Apr 9 02:31:06 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:31:06 -0700 Subject: gnome session fall back not speaking correctly in ubuntu 12 Message-ID: <4F8249EA.6090007@hanksmith.net> Hello I installed gnome session fall back selecte classic no effects it logs in okay goes to my desktop when I alt f1 to go to my apps orca doesn't speak anything same thing with alt f2 for the run command etc. something got broke some where below is the steps I followed exactly. Sudo apt-add-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 3. Once done, do the following commands in order Sudo apt-get update Sudo apt-get upgrade 4. Install gnome-session-fallback Sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback 5. Restart the VM. any ideas what went wrong? Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Apr 9 03:21:41 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 05:21:41 +0200 Subject: How to find another machine on my lan, using Unity 2d? In-Reply-To: <4F81E4A9.60304@gmail.com> References: <4F81E4A9.60304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F8255C5.3040300@pickup.hu> Hy Dave, If other users not have another ydeas, I have got some suggestions: Nautilus have some magical but wonderful gsettings keys wwith possible toggle show in the desktop some icons: To present computer icon in the desktop: gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop computer-icon-visible true To present network servers icon the desktop, this is you need: gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop network-icon-visible true To present your home folder icon name with the desktop: gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop home-icon-visible true To present trash folder icon in the desktop: gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop trash-icon-visible true To present mounted volumes icon in the desktop: gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop volumes-visible true This gsettings keys default values is false in Ubuntu, my first thing after installation to enable this keys. If you not would like enabling this keys, look my second ydea: Press ALT+F2 keystroke, and type nautilus network:/// /command. This command opening the network place. Attila From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Mon Apr 9 05:04:49 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 22:04:49 -0700 Subject: difference between gnome pannel and gnome session fallback? Message-ID: <4F826DF1.3070906@hanksmith.net> hello what is the difference between gnome pannel and gnome session fall back? I never installed the gnome pannel just gnome session fall back, wonder if this is where my problems are happening? Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 14:17:09 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:17:09 -0400 Subject: How to find another machine on my lan, using Unity 2d? In-Reply-To: <4F8255C5.3040300@pickup.hu> References: <4F81E4A9.60304@gmail.com> <4F8255C5.3040300@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F82EF65.1020803@gmail.com> After posting my letter, I managed to connect to my other machine, by using the 'connect to server' option in the 'file' menu of Nautilus. I like your suggestion of setting the keys, as you show below. This must be what Trisquel does in its default configuration. Cheers, Dave On 04/08/2012 11:21 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Dave, > > If other users not have another ydeas, I have got some suggestions: > Nautilus have some magical but wonderful gsettings keys wwith possible > toggle show in the desktop some icons: > To present computer icon in the desktop: > gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop computer-icon-visible true > To present network servers icon the desktop, this is you need: > gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop network-icon-visible true > To present your home folder icon name with the desktop: > gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop home-icon-visible true > To present trash folder icon in the desktop: > gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop trash-icon-visible true > To present mounted volumes icon in the desktop: > gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop volumes-visible true > This gsettings keys default values is false in Ubuntu, my first thing > after installation to enable this keys. > > If you not would like enabling this keys, look my second ydea: > Press ALT+F2 keystroke, and type nautilus network:/// /command. > This command opening the network place. > > Attila > From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Mon Apr 9 15:45:12 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:45:12 -0700 Subject: unity help with apps Message-ID: <4F830408.2060302@hanksmith.net> Hello when going threw the list of apps I go to windows key home apps hit enter I am only seeing a hand full of apps. there isn't much that I am able to see how do I get to the different catagories of apps? etc? I did the following: down arrow to the home button, right arrow to the applications button, press ENTER, use the 4 arrows to explore the installed apps; they are in categories, so pressing enter on a button opens a new tile of applications. I am only seeing stuff like sound recorder and stuff like that not actual catagories, and the number of apps seems hardly any am confused. Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Tue Apr 10 04:57:04 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:57:04 -0700 Subject: got gnome working 99 percent with ubuntu 12 instructions follow Message-ID: <4F83BDA0.3030300@hanksmith.net> Hello I got gnome working with ubuntu 12 99 percent here is what I did. 1. log in to gnome no fx 2 hit alt f2 orca will not speak at this point 3 type in sudo gnome-terminal inter in password type orca -t go threw orca set up and answer prompts 4 log out here is where things get weird the log out prompt kept looping so I ended up buy restarting my ubuntu vm manually also the other thing it is doing is saying aplications each time I up and down aro threw the minues eg accessories internet this is rather anoying, and don't know how to fix this, would like any help with this. also I can't shut down the system, this oppsion is not showing up in gnome. this I also need help with. other them that it appears to be working. if any one can help me out with thisit would be appreciated. Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Tue Apr 10 05:09:21 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:09:21 -0700 Subject: getting festival, and flite working with orca under ubuntu 12? Message-ID: <4F83C081.6090209@hanksmith.net> Hello I installed flite, and festival speech synth, and uncommented the synths in my speech.conf file under /etc/speechdispatcher/speechd.conf how ever the 2 synths aren't showing up in the list. do I have to do anything else to get these to work with orca? Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From pvdeejay at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 05:56:03 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:56:03 +0200 Subject: instant messaging Message-ID: <4F83CB73.5070008@gmail.com> Hello, I now have ubuntu 12.04 installed on the usb drive and I am working with it occassionally at home to get me familiarize with stuff etc. What I have found a bit problematic is using empathy. Please don't see thiss as a criticism, I would ust like to see if anybody faces the same issues and where they need to be posted in order to address them. I am unable to read incoming chat messages using standard reading keyboard shortcuts I even don't know how to focus the field where the incoming chat messages are displayed. I can use flat review to read these. While closing conversation window the whole system freezes as the contacts list window gains the focus. I haven't yet managed to recover from this other than restarting the machine. While the system is frozen no audio comes through my soundcard, I've tried to restart orca blindly but I haven't managed. Empathy uses system's notifications to anounce incoming events. Sometimes I am missing these notifications because I am usually interupting them accidentally while doing something else. As a result I am unable to work out who I've just received a chat from. I have found a way around it I can see recent conversations in the history but I think this is verry inconvenient comparing it to the experience sighted people have. They can immediatelly recognize who has sent the recent message by looking at the contact list window. Is there a waay to have conversaation window open automatically when a new chat message comes in if conversation with that chat partner has not yet been started? I am unable to get the details about a contact in my list. Empathy displays status messages for each contact on the contact list if the contact has some. Can we get access to that? In the context menu for each contact in the list there is an item saying details. After activating it gnome-contacts application is shown however I have found this application verry inaccessible. I don't know how to see the contact's details. I caan add new contact but I don't know how to browse contacts and get their details accessible. I see this as a one huge problem. Instant messaging is verry problematic in the current state. Is there something I might be doing wrong or really this is not yet ready for a blind user? I am IM-ing a lot and I'm also excited about empathy's ability to do voice calling a feature I extremelly miss in windows however how empathy works in my setup is currently unnacceptable for me. If there is something I can do please let me know. Greetings Peter From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Tue Apr 10 06:09:21 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:09:21 -0700 Subject: correction on last email on gnome Message-ID: <4F83CE91.7020604@hanksmith.net> Hello correction on my last email don't run orca -t as sudo it has fixed one of the problems with it saying application now I just need to figure out how to shut down via gnome with out having to go in to terminal to power off the machine. -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 07:52:24 2012 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:52:24 -0600 Subject: instant messaging In-Reply-To: <4F83CB73.5070008@gmail.com> References: <4F83CB73.5070008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F83E6B8.60507@gmail.com> Peter, Your best bet for now is Pidgin. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install pidgin It works well for me. Thanks, Jeremy On 04/09/2012 11:56 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > I now have ubuntu 12.04 installed on the usb drive and I am working with > it occassionally at home to get me familiarize with stuff etc. > What I have found a bit problematic is using empathy. > Please don't see thiss as a criticism, I would ust like to see if > anybody faces the same issues and where they need to be posted in order > to address them. > I am unable to read incoming chat messages using standard reading > keyboard shortcuts I even don't know how to focus the field where the > incoming chat messages are displayed. I can use flat review to read these. > While closing conversation window the whole system freezes as the > contacts list window gains the focus. I haven't yet managed to recover > from this other than restarting the machine. While the system is frozen > no audio comes through my soundcard, I've tried to restart orca blindly > but I haven't managed. > Empathy uses system's notifications to anounce incoming events. > Sometimes I am missing these notifications because I am usually > interupting them accidentally while doing something else. As a result I > am unable to work out who I've just received a chat from. I have found a > way around it I can see recent conversations in the history but I think > this is verry inconvenient comparing it to the experience sighted people > have. They can immediatelly recognize who has sent the recent message by > looking at the contact list window. Is there a waay to have > conversaation window open automatically when a new chat message comes in > if conversation with that chat partner has not yet been started? > I am unable to get the details about a contact in my list. Empathy > displays status messages for each contact on the contact list if the > contact has some. Can we get access to that? > In the context menu for each contact in the list there is an item saying > details. After activating it gnome-contacts application is shown however > I have found this application verry inaccessible. I don't know how to > see the contact's details. I caan add new contact but I don't know how > to browse contacts and get their details accessible. > > I see this as a one huge problem. Instant messaging is verry problematic > in the current state. Is there something I might be doing wrong or > really this is not yet ready for a blind user? > > I am IM-ing a lot and I'm also excited about empathy's ability to do > voice calling a feature I extremelly miss in windows however how empathy > works in my setup is currently unnacceptable for me. > > If there is something I can do please let me know. > > Greetings > > Peter > From dusek at brailcom.org Tue Apr 10 09:13:09 2012 From: dusek at brailcom.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Boris_Du=B9ek?=) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:13:09 +0200 Subject: getting festival, and flite working with orca under ubuntu 12? In-Reply-To: <4F83C081.6090209@hanksmith.net> References: <4F83C081.6090209@hanksmith.net> Message-ID: Hello Hank, 10. 4. 2012 v 7:09, Hank Smith: > Hello I installed flite, and festival speech synth, and uncommented the synths in my speech.conf file under /etc/speechdispatcher/speechd.conf > how ever the 2 synths aren't showing up in the list. > do I have to do anything else to get these to work with orca? the festival debian/ubuntu package does not contain init script. To setup working festival with speech-dispatcher and orca, I would recommend you try the instructions in our Accessibility Guide, specifically the section on installing Festival on Ubuntu: http://live.freebsoft.org/ubuntu-festival Best regards, Boris Dušek BRAILCOM,o.p.s. www.brailcom.org From terryjones130 at msn.com Tue Apr 10 20:42:03 2012 From: terryjones130 at msn.com (Terry Jones) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:42:03 -0500 Subject: 10% discount Message-ID: http://ronniesjewelryandloans.com/gallery/app/med.html best new shopping websites (with google) 4/10/2012 1:41:52 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 11 03:21:33 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:21:33 -0300 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 Message-ID: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> Hi all. What happened to the login sound in 12.04? I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login sound after I type my password and press the enter key. I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I didn't find it in the start up applications. Thanks. From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 11 03:36:51 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:36:51 -0300 Subject: problems to shutdown Message-ID: <4F84FC53.5030404@informal.com.br> Hi all. Probably this is not the correct place to ask this question, sorry! To shutdown my machine I press alt+f10 key, chose the device menu, the shutdown ... option and then I click in the shutdown button. Instead of shutdown, my machine logout and login again. I am running ubuntu 12.04 with all updates. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks. From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 06:50:55 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:20:55 +0530 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> Message-ID: Hey, I had the same question. I guess it should be there by default. Basically its an important accessibility queue, and even sighted users find it useful IMHO. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > What happened to the login sound in 12.04? > I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login sound > after I type my password and press the enter key. > > I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I > didn't find it in the start up applications. > Thanks. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 06:57:53 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:57:53 -0500 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> It was turned off by default because people were complaining that it would disturb the people around them. They pointed out the use case to me where a student would be booting the Live CD or the USB stick in a classroom environment. You should be able to turn it back on though, although I'm not sure where to find this setting. Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an accessibility aid. On 11/04/12 01:50, krishnakant Mane wrote: > Hey, > I had the same question. > I guess it should be there by default. > Basically its an important accessibility queue, and even sighted users > find it useful IMHO. > > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > > On 11/04/2012, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi all. >> What happened to the login sound in 12.04? >> I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login sound >> after I type my password and press the enter key. >> >> I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I >> didn't find it in the start up applications. >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 07:01:15 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:31:15 +0530 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> Message-ID: Then I must request Ubuntu accessibility fokes to kindly inform this list about how to turn it on. It will bennifit people like us very much. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > It was turned off by default because people were complaining that it > would disturb the people around them. They pointed out the use case to > me where a student would be booting the Live CD or the USB stick in a > classroom environment. You should be able to turn it back on though, > although I'm not sure where to find this setting. > > Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an > accessibility aid. > > On 11/04/12 01:50, krishnakant Mane wrote: >> Hey, >> I had the same question. >> I guess it should be there by default. >> Basically its an important accessibility queue, and even sighted users >> find it useful IMHO. >> >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> >> On 11/04/2012, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza >> wrote: >>> Hi all. >>> What happened to the login sound in 12.04? >>> I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login sound >>> after I type my password and press the enter key. >>> >>> I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I >>> didn't find it in the start up applications. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>> >> > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at gmail.com > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 07:05:47 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:35:47 +0530 Subject: can't read text in widgets like password and rename entry field Message-ID: Hello all, I found out that when I press f2 on a file to rename it, I can't read the current contents in the entry field. Similarly moving arrows around the password entry field does not reveal any thing, so there is no way I can count the number of * or what ever been entered. Further more I notice a very strange problem, would be happy if some one could confirm. Press alt + enter on a folder or file to see its properties. Orca will read it using flat review all right. But the moment I go away either by pressing escape or alt + tab, the system refuses to respond. Orca stops speaking and keyboard hangs, yet the mouse is working as confirmed by my wife who is sighted. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 07:12:27 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:12:27 -0500 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> Doesn't Orca usually come up talking when you log on? I agree it's good to turn on the log on sound, but I'm not sure how critical it is, and I'm not sure the Ubuntu Accessibility team needs to tell us something we can look up or figure out for ourselves. For example, I went to Google and found the web page: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-12-04-login-sound-to-be-disabled-by-default/ On this page it says that you can enable the log on sound initially by going into startup applications and then later by going into sound settings. Since Jose couldn't find it in the startup applications, I wonder if it's been moved to the sound settings by now. I don't have a copy of Ubuntu 12.04 lying around to check myself though. On 11/04/12 02:01, krishnakant Mane wrote: > Then I must request Ubuntu accessibility fokes to kindly inform this > list about how to turn it on. > It will bennifit people like us very much. > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > > > On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> It was turned off by default because people were complaining that it >> would disturb the people around them. They pointed out the use case to >> me where a student would be booting the Live CD or the USB stick in a >> classroom environment. You should be able to turn it back on though, >> although I'm not sure where to find this setting. >> >> Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an >> accessibility aid. >> >> On 11/04/12 01:50, krishnakant Mane wrote: >>> Hey, >>> I had the same question. >>> I guess it should be there by default. >>> Basically its an important accessibility queue, and even sighted users >>> find it useful IMHO. >>> >>> Happy hacking. >>> Krishnakant. >>> >>> >>> On 11/04/2012, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza >>> wrote: >>>> Hi all. >>>> What happened to the login sound in 12.04? >>>> I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login sound >>>> after I type my password and press the enter key. >>>> >>>> I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I >>>> didn't find it in the start up applications. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 07:30:54 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:00:54 +0530 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Doesn't Orca usually come up talking when you log on? I agree it's good > to turn on the log on sound, but I'm not sure how critical it is, and > I'm not sure the Ubuntu Accessibility team needs to tell us something we > can look up or figure out for ourselves. Orca comes up talking, but then after entering the password how one knows if the login process is complete and the desktop has come up? with the logon sound, we have a queue which acts like kind of mile stone. for example on my machine it is 3 seconds after the sound fades that desktop is totally up. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 07:39:59 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:39:59 -0500 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F85354F.7000208@gmail.com> On 11/04/12 02:30, krishnakant Mane wrote: > On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> Doesn't Orca usually come up talking when you log on? I agree it's good >> to turn on the log on sound, but I'm not sure how critical it is, > Orca comes up talking, but then after entering the password how one > knows if the login process is complete and the desktop has come up? > with the logon sound, we have a queue which acts like kind of mile stone. > for example on my machine it is 3 seconds after the sound fades that > desktop is totally up. It's been a while since I have booted my Ubuntu 12.04 beta virtual machine, but in Vinux 3.2.1, I hear Orca come up while on my log on screen with those settings and then after I log on, I hear Orca come up again with my user's settings. Isn't this how it works in Ubuntu 12.04? I agree the log on sound is important, but this is especially if there's a problem with Orca and you don't hear Orca starting but you do hear the log on sound. You then know that you've logged on, but there's a problem with Orca for some reason. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From pvdeejay at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 07:56:39 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgVsOhZ25lcg==?=) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:56:39 +0200 Subject: can't read text in widgets like password and rename entry field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F853937.8000006@gmail.com> Hello, On 11.4.2012 9:05, krishnakant Mane wrote: > Further more I notice a very strange problem, would be happy if some > one could confirm. > Press alt + enter on a folder or file to see its properties. > Orca will read it using flat review all right. > But the moment I go away either by pressing escape or alt + tab, the > system refuses to respond. > Orca stops speaking and keyboard hangs, yet the mouse is working as > confirmed by my wife who is sighted. I think this might be same issue which is happenning while closing conversation window in empathy. The conversation window is closed, the contact list window gains the focus and keyboard and voice output freezes. Greetings Peter From alanbell at ubuntu.com Wed Apr 11 08:39:26 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:39:26 +0100 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F85433E.90605@ubuntu.com> on my laptop it is in the startup applications but turned of, the command it runs is: /usr/bin/canberra-gtk-play --id="desktop-login" --description="GNOME Login" I will have a poke about on a cleaner install later. Alan. On 11/04/12 08:12, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Doesn't Orca usually come up talking when you log on? I agree it's good > to turn on the log on sound, but I'm not sure how critical it is, and > I'm not sure the Ubuntu Accessibility team needs to tell us something we > can look up or figure out for ourselves. For example, I went to Google > and found the web page: > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-12-04-login-sound-to-be-disabled-by-default/ > > On this page it says that you can enable the log on sound initially by > going into startup applications and then later by going into sound > settings. Since Jose couldn't find it in the startup applications, I > wonder if it's been moved to the sound settings by now. I don't have a > copy of Ubuntu 12.04 lying around to check myself though. > > On 11/04/12 02:01, krishnakant Mane wrote: >> Then I must request Ubuntu accessibility fokes to kindly inform this >> list about how to turn it on. >> It will bennifit people like us very much. >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> >> >> On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>> It was turned off by default because people were complaining that it >>> would disturb the people around them. They pointed out the use case to >>> me where a student would be booting the Live CD or the USB stick in a >>> classroom environment. You should be able to turn it back on though, >>> although I'm not sure where to find this setting. >>> >>> Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an >>> accessibility aid. >>> >>> On 11/04/12 01:50, krishnakant Mane wrote: >>>> Hey, >>>> I had the same question. >>>> I guess it should be there by default. >>>> Basically its an important accessibility queue, and even sighted users >>>> find it useful IMHO. >>>> >>>> Happy hacking. >>>> Krishnakant. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/04/2012, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> What happened to the login sound in 12.04? >>>>> I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login sound >>>>> after I type my password and press the enter key. >>>>> >>>>> I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I >>>>> didn't find it in the start up applications. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 11 09:33:30 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:33:30 -0300 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F854FEA.7020608@informal.com.br> Hi. I didn't find, neither in the startup applications nor in the sound settings. Probably I am doing something wrong! Thanks. On 04/11/2012 04:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Doesn't Orca usually come up talking when you log on? I agree it's good > to turn on the log on sound, but I'm not sure how critical it is, and > I'm not sure the Ubuntu Accessibility team needs to tell us something we > can look up or figure out for ourselves. For example, I went to Google > and found the web page: > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-12-04-login-sound-to-be-disabled-by-default/ > > On this page it says that you can enable the log on sound initially by > going into startup applications and then later by going into sound > settings. Since Jose couldn't find it in the startup applications, I > wonder if it's been moved to the sound settings by now. I don't have a > copy of Ubuntu 12.04 lying around to check myself though. > > On 11/04/12 02:01, krishnakant Mane wrote: >> Then I must request Ubuntu accessibility fokes to kindly inform this >> list about how to turn it on. >> It will bennifit people like us very much. >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> >> >> On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>> It was turned off by default because people were complaining that it >>> would disturb the people around them. They pointed out the use case to >>> me where a student would be booting the Live CD or the USB stick in a >>> classroom environment. You should be able to turn it back on though, >>> although I'm not sure where to find this setting. >>> >>> Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an >>> accessibility aid. >>> >>> On 11/04/12 01:50, krishnakant Mane wrote: >>>> Hey, >>>> I had the same question. >>>> I guess it should be there by default. >>>> Basically its an important accessibility queue, and even sighted users >>>> find it useful IMHO. >>>> >>>> Happy hacking. >>>> Krishnakant. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/04/2012, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> What happened to the login sound in 12.04? >>>>> I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login sound >>>>> after I type my password and press the enter key. >>>>> >>>>> I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I >>>>> didn't find it in the start up applications. > From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 11 09:43:48 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:43:48 -0300 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F85433E.90605@ubuntu.com> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> <4F85433E.90605@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <4F855254.30902@informal.com.br> Interesting, the unique program in my startup applications is dropbox. I installed the beta 2 and applied all updates. Thanks. On 04/11/2012 05:39 AM, Alan Bell wrote: > on my laptop it is in the startup applications but turned of, the > command it runs is: > > /usr/bin/canberra-gtk-play --id="desktop-login" --description="GNOME Login" > > I will have a poke about on a cleaner install later. > > Alan. > > On 11/04/12 08:12, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> Doesn't Orca usually come up talking when you log on? I agree it's good >> to turn on the log on sound, but I'm not sure how critical it is, and >> I'm not sure the Ubuntu Accessibility team needs to tell us something we >> can look up or figure out for ourselves. For example, I went to Google >> and found the web page: >> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-12-04-login-sound-to-be-disabled-by-default/ >> >> >> On this page it says that you can enable the log on sound initially by >> going into startup applications and then later by going into sound >> settings. Since Jose couldn't find it in the startup applications, I >> wonder if it's been moved to the sound settings by now. I don't have a >> copy of Ubuntu 12.04 lying around to check myself though. >> >> On 11/04/12 02:01, krishnakant Mane wrote: >>> Then I must request Ubuntu accessibility fokes to kindly inform this >>> list about how to turn it on. >>> It will bennifit people like us very much. >>> Happy hacking. >>> Krishnakant. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> It was turned off by default because people were complaining that it >>>> would disturb the people around them. They pointed out the use case to >>>> me where a student would be booting the Live CD or the USB stick in a >>>> classroom environment. You should be able to turn it back on though, >>>> although I'm not sure where to find this setting. >>>> >>>> Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an >>>> accessibility aid. >>>> >>>> On 11/04/12 01:50, krishnakant Mane wrote: >>>>> Hey, >>>>> I had the same question. >>>>> I guess it should be there by default. >>>>> Basically its an important accessibility queue, and even sighted users >>>>> find it useful IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> Happy hacking. >>>>> Krishnakant. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/04/2012, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> What happened to the login sound in 12.04? >>>>>> I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login >>>>>> sound >>>>>> after I type my password and press the enter key. >>>>>> >>>>>> I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I >>>>>> didn't find it in the start up applications. > > From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Apr 11 09:53:00 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:53:00 +0200 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F855254.30902@informal.com.br> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> <4F85433E.90605@ubuntu.com> <4F855254.30902@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4F85547C.30205@pickup.hu> I confirm with José wrote. In startup applications preference tool not have any checkable applications. I installed all updates my system. Testing purpose I removed my home directory the .config/autostart/libcanberra-login-sound.desktop file, after this I start startup applications preference tool and experienced José wrote result. This file missing in /etc/xdg/autostart directory too. José, I sending you an attachment. Try you copying this desktop file with your ~/.config/autostart folder, and execute startup applications preference tool. If the ~/.config/autostart directory not existing your system, need creating. This test desktop file default not enabled the login sound, but easy possible checking this with startup applications preference tool if the desktop file is present. Attila -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: libcanberra-login-sound.desktop Type: application/x-desktop Size: 367 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 11 10:31:48 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:31:48 -0300 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F85547C.30205@pickup.hu> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F852EDB.70809@gmail.com> <4F85433E.90605@ubuntu.com> <4F855254.30902@informal.com.br> <4F85547C.30205@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F855D94.5000606@informal.com.br> It works, thanks! On 04/11/2012 06:53 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > I confirm with José wrote. > In startup applications preference tool not have any checkable > applications. > I installed all updates my system. > Testing purpose I removed my home directory the > .config/autostart/libcanberra-login-sound.desktop file, after this I > start startup applications preference tool and experienced José wrote > result. > This file missing in /etc/xdg/autostart directory too. > José, I sending you an attachment. > Try you copying this desktop file with your ~/.config/autostart folder, > and execute startup applications preference tool. > If the ~/.config/autostart directory not existing your system, need > creating. > This test desktop file default not enabled the login sound, but easy > possible checking this with startup applications preference tool if the > desktop file is present. > > Attila > > From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 13:02:00 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:02:00 -0400 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F8580C8.8090200@gmail.com> Leaving the drums on as an accessibility aid? Now, that's ironic! After installing to my hard drive, I had the drums once, never to return. Furthermore, lightdm no longer talks, no matter how often I mash 'ctrl+s' on the login screen. -Dave On 04/11/2012 02:57 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an > accessibility aid. From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 13:37:29 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:37:29 -0500 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F8580C8.8090200@gmail.com> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F8580C8.8090200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F858919.9010202@gmail.com> How is it ironic? I've had several discussions with Ubuntu developers over startup sounds. the last I knew, the log on sound would be off by default because of the use case where someone is booting off a Live CD or USB stick in a class room or INTERNET cafe. The drums were also going to be off by default for the same reason, but the Ubuntu developers were convinced that the drums needed to stay for the use case where a blind person was booting a Live CD or a USB stick and needed that audible feedback to know when their system was booted and they could press the control+s key to start Orca. There is a bug where the volume is muted or turned down very low on some systems, but this is a bug and a different issue. There's also a bug where LightDM isn't accessible, but I"m not sure if this has been fixed in Precise yet or not. If you're not hearing the drums then I think you're running into a bug and you should open up a bug in LaunchPad or provide more information to the Ubuntu Accessibility developers on this list. Ditto for the problem you're seeing with no speech while in LightDM. On 11/04/12 08:02, Dave Hunt wrote: > Leaving the drums on as an accessibility aid? Now, that's ironic! After > installing to my hard drive, I had the drums once, never to return. > Furthermore, lightdm no longer talks, no matter how often I mash > 'ctrl+s' on the login screen. > > > -Dave > > > > > On 04/11/2012 02:57 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> >> Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an >> accessibility aid. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 13:55:02 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:25:02 +0530 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry Message-ID: hello all, I just tryed using calc for some important work and I was a bit disappointed. firstly i pressed capslok + r for setting the row header. But that feature does not work like it used to in older versions. Note that for a blind person this is really crutial because 20 or 30 rows down the line, I aught to remember in which column I am typing. Hereing "name b50, address c50 ... " is really necessary as there is no time to always go up the rows and read the headers. Secondly, when I type in cells the experience is really bad to say the least. type in a cell and try moving to the next one, coordinates are not read properly. This also happens when you move out of the merge area. Further more the command capslok + a does not read the content of the cell. Can some one take serious note of this? It might be an orca problem which won't worry me, since we all know the credibility and sincearity of people like Joanie. But if this is a calc issue, I don't know how long it will take to fix. Happy hacking. krishnakant. From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Apr 11 14:16:30 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:16:30 +0200 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> Hy Krisnakant, This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the default Orca script the events. The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I reported earlier: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing issue too I think: Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 I have got following experiences: If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role when you typing the cells. If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always resolve the calc related problem. I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca modifier+r keystroke. After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the proper column header. Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened your machine this timing issue related bug. Attila From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 14:24:38 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:24:38 -0400 Subject: no login sound in 12.04 In-Reply-To: <4F858919.9010202@gmail.com> References: <4F84F8BD.5020707@informal.com.br> <4F852B71.50607@gmail.com> <4F8580C8.8090200@gmail.com> <4F858919.9010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F859426.4090207@gmail.com> Hi, Thanks for suggestions. I filed a bug in Launchpad about lightdm and no sound or orca start. When on the login screen, my media keys do not unmute or raise volume, as they do in my desktop and apps. Cheers, Dave On 04/11/2012 09:37 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > There is a bug where the volume is muted or turned down very low on some > systems, but this is a bug and a different issue. There's also a bug > where LightDM isn't accessible, but I"m not sure if this has been fixed > in Precise yet or not. From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 15:02:51 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:02:51 -0400 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> References: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F859D1B.2010508@gmail.com> Greetings! For those who need Libreoffice a lot, and who don't want to rebuild atspi core to fix a timing issue, I think the suggestion of turning the Libreoffice Quickstarter on is reasonable, and maybe should be offered as a tip somewhere in the Orca wiki. It would be better, though, if the atspi core fix made it into the final release of Ubuntu 12.04, as it would likely fix a bunch of access problems resulting from orca scripts not loading on time. Thanks! Dave On 04/11/2012 10:16 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Krisnakant, > > This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time > Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This > situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you > launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the > default Orca script the events. > The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I > reported earlier: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 > > Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing > issue too I think: > Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related > tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 > > I have got following experiences: > If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice > preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, > and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example > 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. > If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula > toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will > be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role > when you typing the cells. > If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart > Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always > resolve the calc related problem. > > I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. > I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca > modifier+r keystroke. > After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some > contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the > proper column header. > Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened > your machine this timing issue related bug. > > Attila > From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 15:44:11 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:14:11 +0530 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> References: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> Message-ID: Hello all, Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart option? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Krisnakant, > > This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time > Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This > situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you > launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the > default Orca script the events. > The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I > reported earlier: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 > > Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing > issue too I think: > Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related > tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 > > I have got following experiences: > If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice > preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, > and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example > 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. > If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula > toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will > be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role > when you typing the cells. > If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart > Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always > resolve the calc related problem. > > I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. > I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca > modifier+r keystroke. > After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some > contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the > proper column header. > Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened > your machine this timing issue related bug. > > Attila > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 15:58:25 2012 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:58:25 -0600 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: References: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F85AA21.7050807@gmail.com> krishnakant, It's not call preferences in the version that is in Ubuntu 12.04. You need to go to tools, options. Memory is the third item in the tree-view. Hope this helps, Jeremy On 04/11/2012 09:44 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote: > Hello all, > Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office > calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart > option? > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > > > On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attila wrote: >> Hy Krisnakant, >> >> This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time >> Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This >> situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you >> launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the >> default Orca script the events. >> The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I >> reported earlier: >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 >> >> Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing >> issue too I think: >> Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related >> tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 >> >> I have got following experiences: >> If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice >> preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, >> and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example >> 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. >> If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula >> toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will >> be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role >> when you typing the cells. >> If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart >> Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always >> resolve the calc related problem. >> >> I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. >> I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca >> modifier+r keystroke. >> After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some >> contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the >> proper column header. >> Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened >> your machine this timing issue related bug. >> >> Attila >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Apr 11 15:59:19 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:59:19 +0200 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: References: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F85AA57.5060302@pickup.hu> Hy Krishnakant, This is very simple: Launch for example Libreoffice Writer. Goto tools menu, and activate preferences menu. In the default focused tree view press two down arrow key, you will be land the memory related preferences. Search TAB key the enable quick start check box, and if this check box is unchecked, press SPACE key. Finaly, go to tab key with ok push button, and activate with SPACE or ENTER key. Don't need repeat this steps under Libreoffice Calc. After you doed this preference change, feel free close Libreoffice Writer. When you next time log in your account and try launching Libreoffice Writer or Libreoffice Calc, you will be experiencing Libreoffice apps launching more faster. For example, my machine if quickstart enabled, Libreoffice apps launching about two, maximum four second. I always use this possibility my machines, because I work lot of time with Libreoffice apps. Attila From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 16:00:25 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:00:25 -0400 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: References: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F85AA99.7020204@gmail.com> 'tools->options->memory', in any Libreoffice app, to enable the quick start. When that's done, restart system. I think you will like the improved responsiveness, over-all, and the renewed usability of Calc. Cheers, Dave On 04/11/2012 11:44 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote: > Hello all, > Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office > calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart > option? > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > > > On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attila wrote: >> Hy Krisnakant, >> >> This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time >> Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This >> situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you >> launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the >> default Orca script the events. >> The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I >> reported earlier: >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 >> >> Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing >> issue too I think: >> Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related >> tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 >> >> I have got following experiences: >> If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice >> preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, >> and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example >> 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. >> If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula >> toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will >> be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role >> when you typing the cells. >> If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart >> Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always >> resolve the calc related problem. >> >> I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. >> I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca >> modifier+r keystroke. >> After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some >> contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the >> proper column header. >> Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened >> your machine this timing issue related bug. >> >> Attila >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 18:38:13 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:08:13 +0530 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: <4F85AA99.7020204@gmail.com> References: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> <4F85AA99.7020204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello and thanks to Attila, Dave Andy etc. Sure enough, after having the quickstart checked as instructed I have all office softwares like calc loading faster. But I am afraid, nothing more has come out from this change. The problems of row header not getting set with capslok +r still persists along with all the problems I reported. I have 12.04 updated till date so that can't be the reason. Should I also update my Orca version? it is currently at 3.4.0 happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: > 'tools->options->memory', in any Libreoffice app, to enable the quick > start. When that's done, restart system. I think you will like the > improved responsiveness, over-all, and the renewed usability of Calc. > > > Cheers, > > > Dave > > > > > On 04/11/2012 11:44 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote: >> Hello all, >> Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office >> calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart >> option? >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> >> >> On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attila wrote: >>> Hy Krisnakant, >>> >>> This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time >>> Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This >>> situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you >>> launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the >>> default Orca script the events. >>> The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I >>> reported earlier: >>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 >>> >>> Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing >>> issue too I think: >>> Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related >>> tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: >>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 >>> >>> I have got following experiences: >>> If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice >>> preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, >>> and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example >>> 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. >>> If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula >>> toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will >>> be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role >>> when you typing the cells. >>> If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart >>> Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always >>> resolve the calc related problem. >>> >>> I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. >>> I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca >>> modifier+r keystroke. >>> After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some >>> contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the >>> proper column header. >>> Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened >>> your machine this timing issue related bug. >>> >>> Attila >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>> >> > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 20:33:08 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:33:08 -0400 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: References: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> <4F85AA99.7020204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F85EA84.3030604@gmail.com> Hi, +1 for the Libreoffice quick starter! I'm not sure whether this helps, but, I happen to be using orca, pulled from Master this morning; I think it's 3.5.1pre. Using 'orca+r' for 'row header' and 'orca+a' for 'read focused cell', work great! I seem to have calc working as well as it did under Trisquel 5.5, after I updated Office to 3.5, and Orca to 3.3.4. Cheers, Dave On 04/11/2012 02:38 PM, krishnakant Mane wrote: > Hello and thanks to Attila, Dave Andy etc. > Sure enough, after having the quickstart checked as instructed I have > all office softwares like calc loading faster. > But I am afraid, nothing more has come out from this change. > The problems of row header not getting set with capslok +r still > persists along with all the problems I reported. > I have 12.04 updated till date so that can't be the reason. > Should I also update my Orca version? > it is currently at 3.4.0 > > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > > On 11/04/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: >> 'tools->options->memory', in any Libreoffice app, to enable the quick >> start. When that's done, restart system. I think you will like the >> improved responsiveness, over-all, and the renewed usability of Calc. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> On 04/11/2012 11:44 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office >>> calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart >>> option? >>> Happy hacking. >>> Krishnakant. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attila wrote: >>>> Hy Krisnakant, >>>> >>>> This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time >>>> Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This >>>> situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you >>>> launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the >>>> default Orca script the events. >>>> The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I >>>> reported earlier: >>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 >>>> >>>> Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing >>>> issue too I think: >>>> Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related >>>> tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: >>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 >>>> >>>> I have got following experiences: >>>> If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice >>>> preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, >>>> and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example >>>> 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. >>>> If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula >>>> toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will >>>> be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role >>>> when you typing the cells. >>>> If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart >>>> Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always >>>> resolve the calc related problem. >>>> >>>> I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. >>>> I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca >>>> modifier+r keystroke. >>>> After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some >>>> contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the >>>> proper column header. >>>> Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened >>>> your machine this timing issue related bug. >>>> >>>> Attila >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 21:05:12 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:05:12 -0400 Subject: Cannot use menu shortcuts in FF with Unity-2d in 12.04. Message-ID: <4F85F208.9030303@gmail.com> Hi, In a Unity-2d session, Open a page in Firefox, and try using, for instance, 'alt+b' for your bookmarks. When I do this, Orca delays, then says "bookmarks label", but does not allow the menu to be pulled down. Firefox returns, shortly, as if I'd closed the menus without making any choices. When I use Firefox in gnome-fallback, this does not happen. Furthermore, I cannot make this happen in other apps. In other Firefox menus, it happens, sometimes; it seems to always happen in the 'bookmarks' menu. Best Regards, Dave From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 22:15:38 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:15:38 -0400 Subject: Cannot use menu shortcuts in FF with Unity-2d in 12.04. In-Reply-To: <000c01cd182b$4f9e30c0$eeda9240$@gmail.com> References: <4F85F208.9030303@gmail.com> <000c01cd182b$4f9e30c0$eeda9240$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F86028A.4050308@gmail.com> Hi, Thanks, but no Voxin here. Having switched my session to gnome-shell, I find that the shortcuts work as designed. I'm going to play with this shell for a while, see how I like it. Looks pretty good on the surface. Cheers, Dave On 04/11/2012 05:37 PM, Andy B. wrote: > Do you use voxin? If so, get rid of it for now because it seems to kill the > 2d shortcuts. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Hunt > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:05 PM > To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Cannot use menu shortcuts in FF with Unity-2d in 12.04. > > Hi, > > In a Unity-2d session, Open a page in Firefox, and try using, for instance, > 'alt+b' for your bookmarks. When I do this, Orca delays, then says > "bookmarks label", but does not allow the menu to be pulled down. > Firefox returns, shortly, as if I'd closed the menus without making any > choices. When I use Firefox in gnome-fallback, this does not happen. > Furthermore, I cannot make this happen in other apps. In other Firefox > menus, it happens, sometimes; it seems to always happen in the 'bookmarks' > menu. > > > Best Regards, > > > Dave > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Apr 11 23:15:35 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:15:35 +1000 Subject: Cannot use menu shortcuts in FF with Unity-2d in 12.04. In-Reply-To: <4F85F208.9030303@gmail.com> References: <4F85F208.9030303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120411231535.GA4767@acapella> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 07:05:12AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > In a Unity-2d session, Open a page in Firefox, and try using, for > instance, 'alt+b' for your bookmarks. When I do this, Orca delays, > then says "bookmarks label", but does not allow the menu to be > pulled down. Firefox returns, shortly, as if I'd closed the menus You need to hold down alt a little longer, I would say this is something to do with the alt key and opening the hud. Luke From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 23:18:33 2012 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:18:33 -0600 Subject: Cannot use menu shortcuts in FF with Unity-2d in 12.04. In-Reply-To: <4F86028A.4050308@gmail.com> References: <4F85F208.9030303@gmail.com> <000c01cd182b$4f9e30c0$eeda9240$@gmail.com> <4F86028A.4050308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F861149.4010707@gmail.com> Andy, I am using Voxin with no problems. This is in Unity 2D. All keyboard shortcuts work as expected. Do you have all updates applied? Thanks, Jeremy On 04/11/2012 04:15 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks, but no Voxin here. Having switched my session to gnome-shell, I > find that the shortcuts work as designed. I'm going to play with this > shell for a while, see how I like it. Looks pretty good on the surface. > > > Cheers, > > > Dave > > > > > On 04/11/2012 05:37 PM, Andy B. wrote: >> Do you use voxin? If so, get rid of it for now because it seems to >> kill the >> 2d shortcuts. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com >> [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Hunt >> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:05 PM >> To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Cannot use menu shortcuts in FF with Unity-2d in 12.04. >> >> Hi, >> >> In a Unity-2d session, Open a page in Firefox, and try using, for >> instance, >> 'alt+b' for your bookmarks. When I do this, Orca delays, then says >> "bookmarks label", but does not allow the menu to be pulled down. >> Firefox returns, shortly, as if I'd closed the menus without making any >> choices. When I use Firefox in gnome-fallback, this does not happen. >> Furthermore, I cannot make this happen in other apps. In other Firefox >> menus, it happens, sometimes; it seems to always happen in the >> 'bookmarks' >> menu. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > From krmane at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 07:42:48 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:12:48 +0530 Subject: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry In-Reply-To: <4F85EA84.3030604@gmail.com> References: <4F85923E.3030707@pickup.hu> <4F85AA99.7020204@gmail.com> <4F85EA84.3030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi dave, Which means it is clear. I must upgrade Orca. I will get 3.4 so would upgrade. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 12/04/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > +1 for the Libreoffice quick starter! I'm not sure whether this helps, > but, I happen to be using orca, pulled from Master this morning; I think > it's 3.5.1pre. Using 'orca+r' for 'row header' and 'orca+a' for 'read > focused cell', work great! I seem to have calc working as well as it > did under Trisquel 5.5, after I updated Office to 3.5, and Orca to 3.3.4. > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > > On 04/11/2012 02:38 PM, krishnakant Mane wrote: >> Hello and thanks to Attila, Dave Andy etc. >> Sure enough, after having the quickstart checked as instructed I have >> all office softwares like calc loading faster. >> But I am afraid, nothing more has come out from this change. >> The problems of row header not getting set with capslok +r still >> persists along with all the problems I reported. >> I have 12.04 updated till date so that can't be the reason. >> Should I also update my Orca version? >> it is currently at 3.4.0 >> >> happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> >> On 11/04/2012, Dave Hunt wrote: >>> 'tools->options->memory', in any Libreoffice app, to enable the quick >>> start. When that's done, restart system. I think you will like the >>> improved responsiveness, over-all, and the renewed usability of Calc. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 04/11/2012 11:44 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office >>>> calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart >>>> option? >>>> Happy hacking. >>>> Krishnakant. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attila wrote: >>>>> Hy Krisnakant, >>>>> >>>>> This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time >>>>> Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This >>>>> situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you >>>>> launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the >>>>> default Orca script the events. >>>>> The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I >>>>> reported earlier: >>>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 >>>>> >>>>> Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing >>>>> issue too I think: >>>>> Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related >>>>> tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: >>>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 >>>>> >>>>> I have got following experiences: >>>>> If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice >>>>> preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my >>>>> machine, >>>>> and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for >>>>> example >>>>> 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. >>>>> If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula >>>>> toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will >>>>> be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role >>>>> when you typing the cells. >>>>> If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart >>>>> Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is >>>>> always >>>>> resolve the calc related problem. >>>>> >>>>> I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. >>>>> I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed >>>>> Orca >>>>> modifier+r keystroke. >>>>> After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some >>>>> contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened >>>>> the >>>>> proper column header. >>>>> Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened >>>>> your machine this timing issue related bug. >>>>> >>>>> Attila >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>>>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >>> > From krmane at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 08:07:05 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:37:05 +0530 (IST) Subject: Cannot use menu shortcuts in FF with Unity-2d in 12.04. In-Reply-To: <20120411231535.GA4767@acapella> References: <4F85F208.9030303@gmail.com> <20120411231535.GA4767@acapella> Message-ID: I have the same experience and holding down the alt key solves the problem. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 07:05:12AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In a Unity-2d session, Open a page in Firefox, and try using, for >> instance, 'alt+b' for your bookmarks. When I do this, Orca delays, >> then says "bookmarks label", but does not allow the menu to be >> pulled down. Firefox returns, shortly, as if I'd closed the menus > > You need to hold down alt a little longer, I would say this is something to do with the alt key and opening the hud. > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From vilmar at informal.com.br Thu Apr 12 08:53:34 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:53:34 -0300 Subject: problems with alt+tab again Message-ID: <4F86980E.6070002@informal.com.br> Hi all. Today, after reboot my machine, I discovered that I can not use alt+tab to switch to another application. Seems that removing the .gconf/apps/metacity folder present in my home directory, logout and login again solves the problem. From krmane at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 13:10:08 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:40:08 +0530 Subject: password is spoken by orca on login prompt! Message-ID: Hello all, This one could be extremly trivial for some and highly critical for others. On the login prompt I discovered that Orca actually reads out the password. If I press shift tab and tab again to the password field, orca behaves correctly with password entry. This happens with the latest daily build of Ubuntu (I update my macahine every day ). happy hacking. Krishnakant. From ka1cey at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 16:41:15 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 'orca --replace' really does 'orca --duplicate' in 12.04 with Unity 2d Message-ID: Hi, I think there is a fix; can someone point me? As a possible work-around, I can kill orca, then restart, or not use U-2d. Cheers, Dave From krmane at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 17:10:41 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:40:41 +0530 Subject: still no solution on calc accessibility Message-ID: hello all, I have tryed all possible ways of getting this working. But I only have marjinal success after updating my installation. Now at least Orca behaves nicely in the writer. It is basically all perfect (as it was in the olden gnome 2 days ). But with Calc, I still have a major problem to be sorted out. I just can't get the capslok + r key to set my row header. (as a side note, espeak utters row as rau " these days ), but that is another issue. Coming back to my calc problem. After doing orca --replace post calc launch, I get some improvement. Now the data in cells is at least spoken with the proper cell coordinates. But the row header problem persists and some times Orca goes scilent when I move past a column containing data. This is particularly the case when I move past a merged set of cells. Can some one tell me how to get around this problem? It is really critical for users like me who do project management and have to make reports. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Apr 12 17:33:57 2012 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:33:57 -0600 Subject: Google+ readability Message-ID: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am a user of Google+. The developers just made recent changes to this, which resulted in my being unable to use the site. I have some visual issues, requiring larger than normal fonts. My desktop is usually started with changing the DPI to 145. That grows the fonts nicely. Then, in my web browser, I set the minimum fonts to 20. That makes a lot of websites readable. It also makes a lot of web pages written badly unreadable. When I contacted Google developers about the issues with the google+ site, they offered the only solution they have at this time. Switch to Chrome Browser, which appears to zoom text better than firefox. This seems more like Microsoft than open source to me, and I was hoping someone might have a better answer for reading web pages that fail to appear readable. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPhxIGAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAg28H+gMY4+Umps4ubCWC7avOivfX rBT4fFUrcnss6EjNLH4AHlA7M8B8mGyY/+7y0uja6yF8dTPOdUZgS5M+xHmMWNSj iu5DOSUgJrxxkoMOKzCqGg+ngvIh07B99udv+z98tDW25LYTqe/Y/8oeYUDbLtHO 1zdn8IgHBZyYqaAfu4WXeb93rbBlrK0eJxbXG7gD0tR3Epn7qRfkXCHOLNDfM0HO sOEWGntGC/b4ftyfcsjtzqofyio1tJm0V4u0xqOCAaqeTifW65/mMD2lTDcIdfGL u0GwobPrUNrVrY2B0fiNAtCqivnk2EsCKvqTvbuzYiZoEZDj2QfcRv5qgHjP59M= =Ju3b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 01:14:32 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:14:32 -0700 Subject: Google+ readability In-Reply-To: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4F877DF8.4050603@gmail.com> Hello, Charlie. do you use any screen magnification on your Linux distribution? If in Ubuntu's Unity you can make use of the Compiz eZoom plugin (which I would often rely on under Unity), and under GNOME Shell, there is a great built-in magnifier which can greatly magnify the screen (even more than the eZoom plugin). I am planning on writing a blog entry pretty soon on how to get magnification up and running under both Unity and GNOME Shell. Unfortuantely, I do not think that a magnifier exists for the GNOME Fallback Session at this time. If this could be of help to you please let me know, and I will try to write back with teh steps to set up zooming keys. Just please let me know which desktop environment you use. There is also a Zoom feature under KDE as well which works pretty well. I hope that I can be of some help to you. Take care. On 04/12/2012 10:33 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am a user of Google+. The developers just made recent changes to > this, which resulted in my being unable to use the site. I have some > visual issues, requiring larger than normal fonts. My desktop is > usually started with changing the DPI to 145. That grows the fonts > nicely. Then, in my web browser, I set the minimum fonts to 20. That > makes a lot of websites readable. It also makes a lot of web pages > written badly unreadable. > > When I contacted Google developers about the issues with the google+ > site, they offered the only solution they have at this time. Switch to > Chrome Browser, which appears to zoom text better than firefox. > > This seems more like Microsoft than open source to me, and I was hoping > someone might have a better answer for reading web pages that fail to > appear readable. > > - -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPhxIGAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAg28H+gMY4+Umps4ubCWC7avOivfX > rBT4fFUrcnss6EjNLH4AHlA7M8B8mGyY/+7y0uja6yF8dTPOdUZgS5M+xHmMWNSj > iu5DOSUgJrxxkoMOKzCqGg+ngvIh07B99udv+z98tDW25LYTqe/Y/8oeYUDbLtHO > 1zdn8IgHBZyYqaAfu4WXeb93rbBlrK0eJxbXG7gD0tR3Epn7qRfkXCHOLNDfM0HO > sOEWGntGC/b4ftyfcsjtzqofyio1tJm0V4u0xqOCAaqeTifW65/mMD2lTDcIdfGL > u0GwobPrUNrVrY2B0fiNAtCqivnk2EsCKvqTvbuzYiZoEZDj2QfcRv5qgHjP59M= > =Ju3b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 02:03:23 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:03:23 -0700 Subject: Google+ readability In-Reply-To: <4F8782E3.6060309@gmail.com> References: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> <4F877DF8.4050603@gmail.com> <4F8782E3.6060309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F87896B.5000905@gmail.com> Hello, Kyle. Thank you for that information about eZoom working under the GNOME Fallback session. I had no idea that this was possible. That is great news for me. It may have been by mistake (and it is alright to contact me off-list), but this message did not go to the Ubuntu accessibility list. I am Cc-ing this message to the list so that others may be able to benefit from the information which you provided me. Take care. On 04/12/2012 06:35 PM, Kyle wrote: > Magnification does indeed work in GNOME fallback. You do need to have > Compiz running in order to use it. I have also been able to make the > Enhanced Zoom Desktop plugin zoom very large without becoming > unreadable. There are a couple of zoom factor settings that need to be > changed from the defaults to make it work. In the zoom in/out tab, I > have my zoom factor set to 1.150 and my minimum zoom factor set to > 0.0300. It took some trial and error, but these settings seem to work. > Hope this helps. > ~Kyle From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Apr 13 02:41:21 2012 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:41:21 -0600 Subject: Google+ readability In-Reply-To: <20120412205949.GC2123@gmail.com> References: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> <20120412205949.GC2123@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120412204121.4ee0dec2@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:59:51 -0500 bando?ers wrote: > Not to make light of your problem, but those of us who need a screenreader can't do much of anything with Google+. I can read the site at least, but find that the buttons don't work for me, not even in windows using NVDA with firefox, which for me is the current gold standard for accessible web-browsing. I of course tried with Orca using Ubuntu/Vinux first. > You can at least use chromium, and remain open-source if you don't want to use chrome itself. Last I heard even using the chromevox extension accessiblity is at best complicated and incomplete for the blind Linux user, and I didn't even get it working under windows a few months back, but this is because I seldom use the barely accessible Chrome/chromium and didn't know how to manage the different chrome extension types. I think this should actually not be hard to do, so will try again, but unless it becomes feasible under Linux there's little point as I maybe use windows %5-10 of the time at the most, and I'll be damned if I'll change my computing habbits drastically because of a soc-net. > Too bad however. I'm a Google fan for the most part, but they just have not payed enough attention to accessibility, and they've made it hard to patch by not adopting a consistent platform from what I hear. > You may wish to post this to the Vinux-support list as for end-user issues it is generally a much more responsive list, mostly speech using, but folks do get help with magnification problems and other display issues that relate to accessibility. > Regards, and sorry for the rant; to a point...lol.. > --- > Burt Henry > As much as this list might be discussing the screen-reader at the present time, I would like to inform you and all other users that Accessibility in Ubuntu has never been limited to Orca screen-reader. Gnome Orca has a separate mailing list, if you are really only concerned with that subject. Ubuntu Accessibility includes all needs for users. It does include deafness, blindness, partially visually impaired, physically impaired, and any other user with special needs. I think I can say this with some authority, since I have worked with the Accessibility Team for a couple of years now, and have written quite a bit of the information available on the Ubuntu Wiki concerning accessibility. I have also give Ubuntu Open Week, Ubuntu Developer Week, and Ubuntu User Day sessions on Accessibility. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPh5JRAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAknMIALMOQBSW55LaZafQWMn6CNSz rQWbtW9edB5XyrWitc+Z3nffs3qX//q4imW5g0biVYq+9E29Ahz3ZWW94n/akO3I 8jgFGiNaltTLfA4pWFV2H5Zc5LM+wxkMQbnTFX9IcgnKkyoHyXqUVUY7mVLvIzqr YWZzbfp9m9sN64Ag4M/wKLZqeyl69Q7hIpbGVexEZOUxrMCUBhqGYuYbp0Upin3I cemEirYwv1w2q9bIk51S1DToZF1dfah6itiEscZLN0mb0EOC8Vgk0vIyvK2EzkLO B0ei4UwdFwLoQcDUqgRcTJlvWdE2TQ/GIOGKCcY/3VbzD4rh/EY5lDP98K4LNYI= =ZM81 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 02:41:09 2012 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:41:09 -0400 Subject: Google+ readability In-Reply-To: <4F87896B.5000905@gmail.com> References: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> <4F877DF8.4050603@gmail.com> <4F8782E3.6060309@gmail.com> <4F87896B.5000905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F879245.5000704@gmail.com> Yes, the off-list message was a mistake. I should have looked back at the "To:" box to be sure it was going to the list, as some lists don't seem to handle replies correctly. Thanks for pointing this out. ~Kyle From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Apr 13 02:46:41 2012 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:46:41 -0600 Subject: Google+ readability In-Reply-To: <4F877DF8.4050603@gmail.com> References: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> <4F877DF8.4050603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120412204641.572fc53f@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I used Gnome Magnification before all the changes started involving Unity. It has not worked for some time (in years) now. Thus my playing with DPI to grow the text large enough to see and read it. I have not played much with Compiz eZoom, myself. I am just getting back into a position where I will be able to get involved again, and will be updating documentation for all the Accessibility items in the next cycle. In the meantime, I shall continue to attempt to get some information out for the Google developers, who seem to be lacking in experience as far as Accessibility goes. Whether or not I am successful will be determined by how accessible we manage to get google, right? Experience tells me this is going to be a long battle to fight, however, the results when we gain are well worth it. On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:14:32 -0700 Robert Cole wrote: > Hello, Charlie. > > do you use any screen magnification on your Linux distribution? If in > Ubuntu's Unity you can make use of the Compiz eZoom plugin (which I > would often rely on under Unity), and under GNOME Shell, there is a > great built-in magnifier which can greatly magnify the screen (even more > than the eZoom plugin). > > I am planning on writing a blog entry pretty soon on how to get > magnification up and running under both Unity and GNOME Shell. > Unfortuantely, I do not think that a magnifier exists for the GNOME > Fallback Session at this time. > > If this could be of help to you please let me know, and I will try to > write back with teh steps to set up zooming keys. Just please let me > know which desktop environment you use. There is also a Zoom feature > under KDE as well which works pretty well. > > I hope that I can be of some help to you. > > Take care. > > On 04/12/2012 10:33 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I am a user of Google+. The developers just made recent changes to > > this, which resulted in my being unable to use the site. I have some > > visual issues, requiring larger than normal fonts. My desktop is > > usually started with changing the DPI to 145. That grows the fonts > > nicely. Then, in my web browser, I set the minimum fonts to 20. That > > makes a lot of websites readable. It also makes a lot of web pages > > written badly unreadable. > > > > When I contacted Google developers about the issues with the google+ > > site, they offered the only solution they have at this time. Switch to > > Chrome Browser, which appears to zoom text better than firefox. > > > > This seems more like Microsoft than open source to me, and I was hoping > > someone might have a better answer for reading web pages that fail to > > appear readable. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPh5ORAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAZ0wH/26uBWPZYiv5LcLKCeMlSyNO DoqTc1JWkrQymtHlBQ5uInB5ChTbS5qEl88whChXzZ8oCOUww74U5Sz8QnCcFOox gs6u+sLqHKwg62pkzFm84cfZCYIV7/uhZNo/ZWiJc9eK5ecQdpyjNhV1VqZsiDAc lo6Tv1846HJ2VTwDqeJruSH7QTiVfiv+35mHQHwv+tduZQosUiHCBZFcb0thnTnz G1aiTeVeM8tQiPCxb9P3HTzv2RbsMyjKyftKF6n4ZRSN05I9dw28QKv0GpIZQiQa noziVB+Y6ZJQpQEaVRC20QQsN+WgXjaJvW3Vz4ORYKO+/k6U9DBEWrRYf0WdpWw= =pPj5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 03:21:38 2012 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:21:38 -0400 Subject: Google+ readability In-Reply-To: <20120412204641.572fc53f@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> <4F877DF8.4050603@gmail.com> <20120412204641.572fc53f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4F879BC2.2050601@gmail.com> It may be a long battle to keep Google thinking of improving accessibility to its products, but it is indeed worth the fight. The battle for accessibility to any company's product is worth it, even though it may be long, hard and even frustrating at times. Although many Linux distributions have had some form of screen reading technology for more than 10 years, it has been only about 5 years since we have had a usable screen reader in GNOMW, and even less since we've had magnification. But look how far we've come; it's been well worth the time, energy and effort it has taken to make it all work as well as it does today, and it's still improving every day. Heck, even Windows has taken a giant leap forward in accessibility, with the availability of NVDA, and that has only happened within the past 4 years, and Windows accessibility is even now improving. I have had the pleasure of owning my first Android phone for about a month now, and it already is a giant leap ahead of any other phone I used in the past, and that is even taking into account the fact that I went with the lowest price I could find because of my extremely tight budget. All these OS's and platforms have a great need for more improvement, but it is very easy to see what can happen when we fight the long hard battle to gain equal access to as many products as possible at equal prices to what someone with fully functional eyes, ears, etc. would pay. Keep up the fight for accessibility everywhere, and keep up the great work toward making it work on Ubuntu and other Linux distributions. ~Kyle From chaltain at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 04:10:15 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:10:15 -0500 Subject: Google+ readability In-Reply-To: <4F879BC2.2050601@gmail.com> References: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> <4F877DF8.4050603@gmail.com> <20120412204641.572fc53f@teamcharliesangels.com> <4F879BC2.2050601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F87A727.3030705@gmail.com> I'm not sure what else was said in this thread, since I don't see it attached below, but the accessibility of Google Apps has improved dramatically over the last year or so. I have to spend quite a bit of time for my job in Google Docs, and I typically do this in a virtual machine running Windows where I get to Google Docs with Chrome and ChromeVox. It takes some getting used to, but I'm finding it quite usable. I've heard that Chromium plus ChromeVox plus Lois TTS should just work in Linux, but after getting sighted assistance to help install everything, it didn't just work for me. I still need to investigate this further, but Linux isn't a priority for the Google accessibility guys right now. I also use GoogleCL, a command line tool that runs in Ubuntu, to list and download Google Docs, so I can use them with Libre Office. I find I can do most everything I need to in Google Calendar now just using Firefox and Orca. I'm also finding now that I need to use Google Plus more and more for my job. I can usually figure out most things, given enough time, but it definitely isn't an enjoyable experience. If memory serves, Google was threatened with a law suit over accessibility and the fact that so many schools and universities were switching to Google Apps. I think this compelled google to put more effort into making Google Apps accessible last year. Unfortunately though, I don't think this extended to Google Plus. There was a petition going around a few months ago asking Google to make Google Apps more accessible. I signed the petition and included in the comments that it should extend to Google Plus since I see small businesses taking advantage of what it has to offer, which is coming to pass with the company I work for. On 12/04/12 22:21, Kyle wrote: > It may be a long battle to keep Google thinking of improving > accessibility to its products, but it is indeed worth the fight. The > battle for accessibility to any company's product is worth it, even > though it may be long, hard and even frustrating at times. Although many > Linux distributions have had some form of screen reading technology for > more than 10 years, it has been only about 5 years since we have had a > usable screen reader in GNOMW, and even less since we've had > magnification. But look how far we've come; it's been well worth the > time, energy and effort it has taken to make it all work as well as it > does today, and it's still improving every day. Heck, even Windows has > taken a giant leap forward in accessibility, with the availability of > NVDA, and that has only happened within the past 4 years, and Windows > accessibility is even now improving. I have had the pleasure of owning > my first Android phone for about a month now, and it already is a giant > leap ahead of any other phone I used in the past, and that is even > taking into account the fact that I went with the lowest price I could > find because of my extremely tight budget. All these OS's and platforms > have a great need for more improvement, but it is very easy to see what > can happen when we fight the long hard battle to gain equal access to as > many products as possible at equal prices to what someone with fully > functional eyes, ears, etc. would pay. Keep up the fight for > accessibility everywhere, and keep up the great work toward making it > work on Ubuntu and other Linux distributions. > ~Kyle > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From kd7cyu at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 15:59:42 2012 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: how to create a live usb stick Message-ID: On the stuff I have found on the web it says to use usb-creator to create the flash drive. As I recall that particular package is not very usable. Is there another way to create a usb stick to try precise? Thanks Tom From ka1cey at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 17:14:06 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:14:06 -0400 Subject: how to create a live usb stick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F885EDE.2060503@gmail.com> Hi, Tom! The first time I did this, I used the unetbootin tool, with commandline options. This put the system onto the flash drive, as if I'd gone through Ubiquity, and started a Unity-3d session, on boot-up,which did not work well. Attempts to change the desktop to Unity-2d, by editing a file in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/ubuntu resulted in a system that would not bring up any kind of desktop. As a result of some discussions on this list, here's what I ended up doing. Keep in mind, I was already using Trisquel 5.5 beta. If using any ubuntu-style desktop Linux, this will work. 1) insert flash drive; If nautilus window, showing contents show up, note the volume's name, and close window; 3) open a terminal; 4) sudo -i; 5) enter password for sudo; 6) umount /media/drive-name; 7) dd if=/path-to-iso-file of=/dev/sdb bs=1M; (this assumes your flash is /dev/sdb, adjust accordingly) 8) when dd command finishes, make sure bits-in and bites-written are equal; 9)exit; 10) close terminal. If you want persistence: with flash drive inserted and unmounted, open disk utility or gparted, on your flash drive, you should see one bootable partition the size of the iso file, and the rest of the space as unallocated. Make a new partition of type 'ext3', and call it casper-rw; this is your persistent storage. HTH, Dave On 04/13/2012 11:59 AM, Tom Masterson wrote: > On the stuff I have found on the web it says to use usb-creator to > create the flash drive. As I recall that particular package is not very > usable. Is there another way to create a usb stick to try precise? > > Thanks > Tom > From kd7cyu at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 17:29:24 2012 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: how to create a live usb stick In-Reply-To: <4F885EDE.2060503@gmail.com> References: <4F885EDE.2060503@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks this appears to have worked. Tom On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, Tom! > > The first time I did this, I used the unetbootin tool, with commandline > options. This put the system onto the flash drive, as if I'd gone through > Ubiquity, and started a Unity-3d session, on boot-up,which did not work well. > Attempts to change the desktop to Unity-2d, by editing a file in > /var/lib/AccountsService/users/ubuntu resulted in a system that would not > bring up any kind of desktop. As a result of some discussions on this list, > here's what I ended up doing. > > Keep in mind, I was already using Trisquel 5.5 beta. If using any > ubuntu-style desktop Linux, this will work. > > > 1) insert flash drive; > If nautilus window, showing contents show up, note the volume's name, and > close window; > 3) open a terminal; > 4) sudo -i; > 5) enter password for sudo; > 6) umount /media/drive-name; > 7) dd if=/path-to-iso-file of=/dev/sdb bs=1M; > (this assumes your flash is /dev/sdb, adjust accordingly) > 8) when dd command finishes, make sure bits-in and bites-written are equal; > 9)exit; > 10) close terminal. > > If you want persistence: > with flash drive inserted and unmounted, open disk utility or gparted, on > your flash drive, you should see one bootable partition the size of the iso > file, and the rest of the space as unallocated. Make a new partition of type > 'ext3', and call it casper-rw; this is your persistent storage. > > HTH, > > > Dave > > > > > On 04/13/2012 11:59 AM, Tom Masterson wrote: >> On the stuff I have found on the web it says to use usb-creator to >> create the flash drive. As I recall that particular package is not very >> usable. Is there another way to create a usb stick to try precise? >> >> Thanks >> Tom >> > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From burt1iband at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 06:52:24 2012 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (bando?ers) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:52:24 -0500 Subject: Google+ readability In-Reply-To: <20120412204641.572fc53f@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20120412113357.1c900919@teamcharliesangels.com> <4F877DF8.4050603@gmail.com> <20120412204641.572fc53f@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <20120414065222.GJ9774@gmail.com> I wish this effort the best of success, but I must say I am stuck between sceptical and bewildered. Isn't Dr. T.V. Raman of emacspeak fame on the job with Google accessibility? I thought he'd been with Google for a good while, but if he's new in the last year I can still understand that things will take a while. If however he has not got anything more than lipservice backup from the company...I don't know if the post from a Google employee talking about the lack of a consistent dev platform at Google made it on to this list or not, but it certainly showed a difficult situation. I guess it comes down to this for me: if Dr. Raman can't line them out on what is needed as far as accessibility goes then who can, and has there been a fundamental priority shift that includes accessibility both now, and as something to be integrated in to long term plans I don't see much happening. You are so right that eventual results would make the struggle worth while however, and I for one am not ready to give up; so, please at this point I don't know what I can do other than tessst, but test I am and will be glad to do. Please keep us informed as to any positive developments, and continue to fill the ears and eyes of your contacts with good ideas. Maybe I'm too senical, but so far it's like one step forward a year with Google accessibility and by the time things are right I'd not be surprised to see something new that makes this all for naut. (two years ago, more or less, the NVDA screenreader and dev-builds of chromium started working together just enough to tease us, and chrome and chromium are still not fully accessible with any screen-reader with out the chromevox extension. Chrome/chromium were at least semi usable about a year ago any, and I think it was last summer when chromevox came on-line, (for the OS that starts with a w), and now hopefully pretty soon Linux users can start using chrome with the extension. GoogleCL looked promising as well, not the way most pppl will use Google, but it seems that at least the version available in the Lucid repos stopped working with some features/commands. I found more recent packages in Maverick and then Debian repos, but haven't tested this of late. Calendar is better I guess, but I never cared so much about that myself. It's that lack of consistency that is so frustrating, and I'm much more willing to test and experiment than an end user should have to be. I'll shut up now as this is somewhat pointless to talk about here, but I want the powers that be at Google to try and look at things from our point of view. We've been waiting for a long time, and G-docs for instance is a natural for blind folk, we really do want to be able to use them. Regards, and maybe next time I write to Google my thoughts will be more composed from having bent ppl's ears here. -- B.H. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 08:46:41PM -0600, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I used Gnome Magnification before all the changes started involving > Unity. It has not worked for some time (in years) now. Thus my playing > with DPI to grow the text large enough to see and read it. I have not > played much with Compiz eZoom, myself. I am just getting back into a > position where I will be able to get involved again, and will be > updating documentation for all the Accessibility items in the next > cycle. > > In the meantime, I shall continue to attempt to get some information > out for the Google developers, who seem to be lacking in experience as > far as Accessibility goes. Whether or not I am successful will be > determined by how accessible we manage to get google, right? > > Experience tells me this is going to be a long battle to fight, > however, the results when we gain are well worth it. > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:14:32 -0700 > Robert Cole wrote: > > > > Hello, Charlie. > > > > do you use any screen magnification on your Linux distribution? If in > > Ubuntu's Unity you can make use of the Compiz eZoom plugin (which I > > would often rely on under Unity), and under GNOME Shell, there is a > > great built-in magnifier which can greatly magnify the screen (even more > > than the eZoom plugin). > > > > I am planning on writing a blog entry pretty soon on how to get > > magnification up and running under both Unity and GNOME Shell. > > Unfortuantely, I do not think that a magnifier exists for the GNOME > > Fallback Session at this time. > > > > If this could be of help to you please let me know, and I will try to > > write back with teh steps to set up zooming keys. Just please let me > > know which desktop environment you use. There is also a Zoom feature > > under KDE as well which works pretty well. > > > > I hope that I can be of some help to you. > > > > Take care. > > > > On 04/12/2012 10:33 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I am a user of Google+. The developers just made recent changes to > > > this, which resulted in my being unable to use the site. I have some > > > visual issues, requiring larger than normal fonts. My desktop is > > > usually started with changing the DPI to 145. That grows the fonts > > > nicely. Then, in my web browser, I set the minimum fonts to 20. That > > > makes a lot of websites readable. It also makes a lot of web pages > > > written badly unreadable. > > > > > > When I contacted Google developers about the issues with the google+ > > > site, they offered the only solution they have at this time. Switch to > > > Chrome Browser, which appears to zoom text better than firefox. > > > > > > This seems more like Microsoft than open source to me, and I was hoping > > > someone might have a better answer for reading web pages that fail to > > > appear readable. > > > > - -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPh5ORAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAZ0wH/26uBWPZYiv5LcLKCeMlSyNO > DoqTc1JWkrQymtHlBQ5uInB5ChTbS5qEl88whChXzZ8oCOUww74U5Sz8QnCcFOox > gs6u+sLqHKwg62pkzFm84cfZCYIV7/uhZNo/ZWiJc9eK5ecQdpyjNhV1VqZsiDAc > lo6Tv1846HJ2VTwDqeJruSH7QTiVfiv+35mHQHwv+tduZQosUiHCBZFcb0thnTnz > G1aiTeVeM8tQiPCxb9P3HTzv2RbsMyjKyftKF6n4ZRSN05I9dw28QKv0GpIZQiQa > noziVB+Y6ZJQpQEaVRC20QQsN+WgXjaJvW3Vz4ORYKO+/k6U9DBEWrRYf0WdpWw= > =pPj5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 21:58:18 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:58:18 -0400 Subject: Shutting Down from Gnome Shell? Message-ID: <4F89F2FA.2040705@gmail.com> Hi, I believe there is a 'power off' button on the user menu, visible when you hold 'alt' while navigating this menu. To get there: 1) 'alt+f1'; 2) 'alt+tab' to 'top bar'; 3) release 'alt+tab'; 4) 'tab' to user menu (it will have your name as its title); 5) hold 'alt', while moving up/down (you'll hear "power off", and other choices; 6) release all keys and press 'enter'. My machine suspended, instead of powering down. I'll just use the power switch. Cheers, Dave From guyster104 at att.net Sun Apr 15 00:50:07 2012 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:50:07 -0400 Subject: hud broken after updates Message-ID: <4F8A1B3F.8070606@att.net> Hi all, I noticed a Unity 2d/hud regression after installing updates last night. If I press alt, orca says "hud pane, then is silent when I type in the box. I've even tried a few up/down arrows, with no feedback from orca. Is this a known bug? If not, has anyone else noticed this? To resolve, I've tried reloading orca with 'orca --replace', but there's no change. If this isn't a known bug, consider this a heads up. Have a good weekend, and keep up the excellent work. Ubuntu precise is coming along very nicely. Thanks, Guy From vilmar at informal.com.br Sun Apr 15 09:14:14 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 06:14:14 -0300 Subject: hud broken after updates In-Reply-To: <4F8A1B3F.8070606@att.net> References: <4F8A1B3F.8070606@att.net> Message-ID: <4F8A9166.9030309@informal.com.br> Hi Guy and all. This is confirmed. I tried to found some tracebacks in orca's debug but they are not present. One observation is that when I restart orca, I receive a crash in unity-2d. This doesn't happen everytime. On 04/14/2012 09:50 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, I noticed a Unity 2d/hud regression after installing updates > last night. If I press alt, orca says "hud pane, then is silent when I > type in the box. I've even tried a few up/down arrows, with no feedback > from orca. Is this a known bug? If not, has anyone else noticed this? To > resolve, I've tried reloading orca with 'orca --replace', but there's no > change. If this isn't a known bug, consider this a heads up. Have a good > weekend, and keep up the excellent work. Ubuntu precise is coming along > very nicely. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 18:59:40 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:59:40 -0400 Subject: No Battery Indicator on Gnome Fallback in 12.04? Message-ID: <4F8B1A9C.20801@gmail.com> Hi, As I write this, the machine is running on battery. The bottom panel shows no level indicator. Maybe a missing or dormant applet? Thanks, Dave From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 19:52:03 2012 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:52:03 -0600 Subject: hud broken after updates In-Reply-To: <4F8A9166.9030309@informal.com.br> References: <4F8A1B3F.8070606@att.net> <4F8A9166.9030309@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4F8B26E3.7020108@gmail.com> I'm seeing this bug as well. When I type something into the box then press down arrow, according to Orca, nothing happens. However visually, according to my girlfriend, pressing the arrows moves me through choices. Thanks, Jeremy On 04/15/2012 03:14 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Guy and all. > This is confirmed. > I tried to found some tracebacks in orca's debug but they are not present. > One observation is that when I restart orca, I receive a crash in unity-2d. > This doesn't happen everytime. > > On 04/14/2012 09:50 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: >> Hi all, I noticed a Unity 2d/hud regression after installing updates >> last night. If I press alt, orca says "hud pane, then is silent when I >> type in the box. I've even tried a few up/down arrows, with no feedback >> from orca. Is this a known bug? If not, has anyone else noticed this? To >> resolve, I've tried reloading orca with 'orca --replace', but there's no >> change. If this isn't a known bug, consider this a heads up. Have a good >> weekend, and keep up the excellent work. Ubuntu precise is coming along >> very nicely. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Guy >> >> > From gervin at cableone.net Sun Apr 15 21:57:41 2012 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:57:41 -0500 Subject: sources.list help Message-ID: Hi, I am using Ubuntu 10.10, and I need to know where to enable the Universe repository in the sources.list file, I'm not sure where the file is located. Thanks. Glenn From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sun Apr 15 22:03:33 2012 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sources.list help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try /etc/apt/sources.list and there will be a line starting with a hash mark you'll need to remove. That line will have universe somewhere on it and will also be a url.On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I am using Ubuntu 10.10, and I need to know where to enable the Universe > repository in the sources.list file, I'm not sure where the file is located. > Thanks. > Glenn > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jude From krmane at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 04:10:38 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:40:38 +0530 Subject: Will the latest orca release be in the daily build iso Message-ID: Hello all, After reading Joanie's email and looking at the tuns of errors we have managed to fix, I would strongly recommend Ubuntu guys to include this version (3.4.1) in the next daily build of Ubuntu. Luke, would that be the case by default? in that case please ignore my email. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From petra at access-for-all.ch Tue Apr 17 06:29:14 2012 From: petra at access-for-all.ch (Petra Ritter) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:29:14 +0200 Subject: Lokking up the latest version of Orca Message-ID: <4F8D0DBA.1040903@access-for-all.ch> Hello I having problems with Orca and Firefox on a Ubuntu 11.10 System New I have installed Firefox 11 in /opt. The problem is getting better but it has not gone at all. I think I am unable to build the newest version of Orca by myself because I don't have expirence in building Programm from the surce. Is there an way to check weder there is a newer packet of Orca for Ubuntu 11.10 so that I can that install without having to biuld it myself Petra From vilmar at informal.com.br Tue Apr 17 10:39:21 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:39:21 -0300 Subject: Will the latest orca release be in the daily build iso In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8D4859.3030807@informal.com.br> Hi. I saw in ubuntu 12.04 a lot of packages that were updated to version 3.4.1. Some examples: gedit gnome-terminal, nautilus, gnome-control-center ... Probably orca will be too. Thanks. On 04/17/2012 01:10 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote: > Hello all, > After reading Joanie's email and looking at the tuns of errors we have > managed to fix, I would strongly recommend Ubuntu guys to include this > version (3.4.1) in the next daily build of Ubuntu. > Luke, would that be the case by default? > in that case please ignore my email. > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > From krecoun at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 07:15:36 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?=) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:15:36 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions Message-ID: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> Hi, Yesterday, I have successfully installed ubuntu 12.04 daily (probably version from April 17th. I am very satisfied with the way, in which the accessibility was done, I haven't encountered any glitches during installation, I used external harddrive, bootloader has been installed correctly. I am using "ubuntu 2D" session, I suppose this is Unity 2D. It seems fairly accessible to me, but I need some things to be clarified. I have encountered only one crash of unity 2D, and installed all available updates, even tried Skype and was able to read EULA and login screen without any problems. I have downloaded latest orca master (3.5.X), compiled and installed using checkinstall. I have tried firefox without any visible problems, gedit, totem, rhythm box. I have encountered these problems: 1. Orca has problems with tabs in windows like orca preferences. To reproduce: a) open orca preferences b) move with tab several controls forward c) using shift+tab move backward, untill you reach general tab. d) press left or right arrow - you will skip to some control, but the tab won't change. e) use tab to cycle through all controls and find general tab again. f) press arrow and now it works. Try this on any dialog with tabs. 2. I had some problems when setting up manual IPv4 configuration for my wireless network. When I typed IP address, i couldn't move to any other fields, I had to use flat rewiev to get out of it and finish my configuration. 3. I have a suspicion, that orca doesn't read refreshing text in gnome terminal - during installation of packages or whatever, but I don't have reliable way of reproducing it. 4. In Libreoffice, Orca reads always the previous line and then two times current line. However, when I changed verbosity for soffice to brief, it stopped. When I changed it back to verbose, it was normal as well, so for now I can't reproduce it. 5. This is not a bug but just warning - the shortcut for showing desktop has been changed after full upgrade to ctrl+super+d. 6. Whe I tried to run gedit as root in gnome terminal, it showed - no display could be found. Whats this? Now I would like you to help me to clarify some misunderstandings: 1. What are those dash, HUD, menu etc... I am confused. When I press Super key, i can search applications, files etc. good. Is there any way of dislpaying applications in categories like in gnome? When i press alt+F1, i have some menu with applications and there are mounted file systems shown towards the bottom of it. When I press alt+F2, it is something like run dialog, ok. When I press alt, HUD is not speaking. The menu using alt-f10 is working nicely. I am quite confused. 2. Should I try latest gnome (3.4) on this system? It is system for pure testing, so no problem. Is it worth trying? From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Apr 18 07:56:23 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:56:23 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions In-Reply-To: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> References: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F8E73A7.4060107@pickup.hu> Hy Vojtěch, With you experienced Orca tabs related issues is a GTK3 bug, already reported but not fixed yet. Unfortunately now I not found the bugreport link. With Libreoffice related problems will be resolve I think the at-spi2-core package upgrade with upstream 2.4.1 release. I using at-spi2-core 3.4.1 release in gnome-3-4 branch, and my machine Libreoffice works fine. You wrote: "Now I would like you to help me to clarify some misunderstandings: 1. What are those dash, HUD, menu etc... I am confused. When I press Super key, i can search applications, files etc. good. Is there any way of dislpaying applications in categories like in gnome?" If you would like a similar experience with oldest GNOME interface, but not want replace Unity 2d environment, I suggest you try Classic Menu Indicator. http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/use-classic-menu-in-unity-classicmenu.html I not tested this indicator under Precise, hopefuly will be work. Hud unfortunately realy silent in unity-2d 0.10.0-0ubuntu1 version, with oldest 0.8.0-0ubuntu1 version prewious works fine. Already reopened following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/949445 Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 18 09:14:45 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:14:45 -0300 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions In-Reply-To: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> References: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F8E8605.8050607@informal.com.br> Hi. Related to your problem running gedit as sudo, try rename the file /etc/sudoers.d/a11y-sudo to /etc/sudoers.d/a11y-sudo.bak. On 04/18/2012 04:15 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Hi, > Yesterday, I have successfully installed ubuntu 12.04 daily (probably > version from April 17th. > I am very satisfied with the way, in which the accessibility was done, I > haven't encountered any glitches during installation, I used external > harddrive, bootloader has been installed correctly. I am using "ubuntu > 2D" session, I suppose this is Unity 2D. It seems fairly accessible to > me, but I need some things to be clarified. > I have encountered only one crash of unity 2D, and installed all > available updates, even tried Skype and was able to read EULA and login > screen without any problems. I have downloaded latest orca master > (3.5.X), compiled and installed using checkinstall. > I have tried firefox without any visible problems, gedit, totem, rhythm box. > I have encountered these problems: > 1. Orca has problems with tabs in windows like orca preferences. To > reproduce: > a) open orca preferences > b) move with tab several controls forward > c) using shift+tab move backward, untill you reach general tab. > d) press left or right arrow - you will skip to some control, but the > tab won't change. > e) use tab to cycle through all controls and find general tab again. > f) press arrow and now it works. > Try this on any dialog with tabs. > 2. I had some problems when setting up manual IPv4 configuration for my > wireless network. When I typed IP address, i couldn't move to any other > fields, I had to use flat rewiev to get out of it and finish my > configuration. > 3. I have a suspicion, that orca doesn't read refreshing text in gnome > terminal - during installation of packages or whatever, but I don't have > reliable way of reproducing it. > 4. In Libreoffice, Orca reads always the previous line and then two > times current line. However, when I changed verbosity for soffice to > brief, it stopped. When I changed it back to verbose, it was normal as > well, so for now I can't reproduce it. > 5. This is not a bug but just warning - the shortcut for showing desktop > has been changed after full upgrade to ctrl+super+d. > 6. Whe I tried to run gedit as root in gnome terminal, it showed - no > display could be found. Whats this? > > Now I would like you to help me to clarify some misunderstandings: > 1. What are those dash, HUD, menu etc... I am confused. > When I press Super key, i can search applications, files etc. good. Is > there any way of dislpaying applications in categories like in gnome? > When i press alt+F1, i have some menu with applications and there are > mounted file systems shown towards the bottom of it. > When I press alt+F2, it is something like run dialog, ok. > When I press alt, HUD is not speaking. > The menu using alt-f10 is working nicely. > I am quite confused. > 2. Should I try latest gnome (3.4) on this system? It is system for pure > testing, so no problem. Is it worth trying? > From krmane at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 13:30:23 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant mane) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:00:23 +0530 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions In-Reply-To: <4F8E8605.8050607@informal.com.br> References: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> <4F8E8605.8050607@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <20120418133023.GA8934@krmane-Lenovo-S10-3c> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 06:14:45AM -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi. > Related to your problem running gedit as sudo, try rename the file > /etc/sudoers.d/a11y-sudo to /etc/sudoers.d/a11y-sudo.bak. > > On 04/18/2012 04:15 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > > Hi, > >Yesterday, I have successfully installed ubuntu 12.04 daily (probably > >version from April 17th. > >I am very satisfied with the way, in which the accessibility was done, I > >haven't encountered any glitches during installation, I used external > >harddrive, bootloader has been installed correctly. I am using "ubuntu > >2D" session, I suppose this is Unity 2D. It seems fairly accessible to > >me, but I need some things to be clarified. > >I have encountered only one crash of unity 2D, and installed all > >available updates, even tried Skype and was able to read EULA and login > >screen without any problems. I have downloaded latest orca master > >(3.5.X), compiled and installed using checkinstall. > >I have tried firefox without any visible problems, gedit, totem, rhythm box. > >I have encountered these problems: > >1. Orca has problems with tabs in windows like orca preferences. To > >reproduce: > >a) open orca preferences > >b) move with tab several controls forward > >c) using shift+tab move backward, untill you reach general tab. > >d) press left or right arrow - you will skip to some control, but the > >tab won't change. > >e) use tab to cycle through all controls and find general tab again. > >f) press arrow and now it works. > >Try this on any dialog with tabs. > >2. I had some problems when setting up manual IPv4 configuration for my > >wireless network. When I typed IP address, i couldn't move to any other > >fields, I had to use flat rewiev to get out of it and finish my > >configuration. > >3. I have a suspicion, that orca doesn't read refreshing text in gnome > >terminal - during installation of packages or whatever, but I don't have > >reliable way of reproducing it. > >4. In Libreoffice, Orca reads always the previous line and then two > >times current line. However, when I changed verbosity for soffice to > >brief, it stopped. When I changed it back to verbose, it was normal as > >well, so for now I can't reproduce it. > >5. This is not a bug but just warning - the shortcut for showing desktop > >has been changed after full upgrade to ctrl+super+d. > >6. Whe I tried to run gedit as root in gnome terminal, it showed - no > >display could be found. Whats this? > > > >Now I would like you to help me to clarify some misunderstandings: > >1. What are those dash, HUD, menu etc... I am confused. > >When I press Super key, i can search applications, files etc. good. Is > >there any way of dislpaying applications in categories like in gnome? > >When i press alt+F1, i have some menu with applications and there are > >mounted file systems shown towards the bottom of it. > >When I press alt+F2, it is something like run dialog, ok. > >When I press alt, HUD is not speaking. > >The menu using alt-f10 is working nicely. > >I am quite confused. > >2. Should I try latest gnome (3.4) on this system? It is system for pure > >testing, so no problem. Is it worth trying? > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From krecoun at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 06:15:59 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vojt=ECch_Pol=E1=B9ek?=) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:15:59 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions In-Reply-To: <4F8F98AA.9030103@pickup.hu> References: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> <4F8E73A7.4060107@pickup.hu> <4F8F0341.1010607@gmail.com> <4F8F98AA.9030103@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F8FAD9F.1090802@gmail.com> Reposting here, I am sorry: Hi, thank you very much for your instructions, I was just curious. I will try the gnome, but I am quite confortable with unity and its quick searching facilities. Do I need to compile ATK as well, for AT-SPI to work? I am almost prepared to try this new LTS as my new production system, because suport for my 10.10 ended short time ago. Vojta On 19.4.2012 06:46, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Vojtěch, > > Unfortunately only me sent your letter, not the list. > When you want update at-spi2-core package, not use the master branch, > you need using gnome-3-4 branch. > So, when you want compiling at-spi2-core upstream version, you need > run first git checkout gnome-3-4 command in the source tree before you > do general compilation related commands. > I will be test word echo in gnome-terminal, and if need, reporting > this issue in Bugzilla. > For example, I using gnome 3.4 my Precise system without any problems. > You need enabling universe and multiverse repositoryes, and need > installing gnome-session-fallback package. > I oldest time wrote a complete list what can need doing if an user > would like using GNOME3 fallback interface, now little actualized the > instructions: > "Switching from Unity Desktop to GNOME3 fallback session in Ubuntu > 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) > Installing the GNOME3 fallback session related packages and dependencies > First, you ensure already enabled with the universe and multiverse > repositories. > Default the universe and multiverse repositoryes is not enabled. If > you would like enabling this repositoryes, launch the > software-properties-gtk preference tool, and enable this repositoryes. > You are possible to launch software-properties-gtk preference tool for > example with sudo software-properties-gtk command in gnome-terminal. > If the universe and multiverse repositoryes is enabled, you need > install gnome-session-fallback package. You possible using the > Software Center or Synaptic this purpose, or possible using in > terminal with following command: > sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback > > Changing the desktop session from Unity to GNOME3 fallback session > This is possible with LightDm, you need choosing GNOME Classic (no > effects) session after you logged out. > > Final customizations > When you logged again your system, you already have in the GNOME3 > fallback session. Following part containing optional modification > suggestions to prowide the new desktop session with better A11y > experience: > Fixing "system menue" inaccessibility related problem > Unfortunately GNOME3 developers removed with the old "System" menue in > the fallback session. Unfortunately, this modification are resulted > visualy impaired users unable to access the importanter functions for > example with the actual username awailable submenue (unable to change > actual user status, launch system settings, log out, switch user, or > shutdown the system. > Now, have only one known workaround to prewent this problem: > 1. Press Control+Alt+TAB keystroke, and go to the top extended panel. > 2. Delete this panel. Press SHIFT+F10 keystroke, and choose the > "Delete this panel". > 3. Go to bottom extended panel, and press SHIFT+F10 keystroke. Choose > the create new panel menu item. > 4. In the empty panel, you need add the "main menu" applet, and > optional the "Clock", "Notification Area" applets. This last two > applet is need only if you are not would like using GNOME3 ported > Indicator applets. > This modifications are resulting you an one column menue system. If > you are press ALT+F1 keystroke, you are possible accessing all > importanter menu items. You will be see your username realted > submenue, possible log out, switch user, or shutdown the system with > keyboard usage. > > Using indicators under GNOME3 fallback session > This is simple, in Ubuntu 12.04 system you need installing > indicator-applet and indicator-applet-complete packages. After the > packages are installed, go to for example with top extended panel the > CTRL+ALT+TAB keystroke. Press Shift+F10 keystroke, and choose the "Add > the panel..." menu item. > If you would like using all indicators with a single applet, you need > add the "Complete indicators" applet with your panel. > After this, when you closing the add panel applet dialog, if you press > SUPER+S keystroke, you possible accessing all oldest time awailable > indicators, similar with Ubuntu Natty classic GNOME session." > This modifications resulted me a very confortable desktop environment. > Be carefuly, when you possible first time logged in in GNOME3 fallback > session, I am not sure default shortcuts are awailable (ALT+F1, > ALT+F2, etc. > > Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Apr 19 06:26:03 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:26:03 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions In-Reply-To: <4F8FAD9F.1090802@gmail.com> References: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> <4F8E73A7.4060107@pickup.hu> <4F8F0341.1010607@gmail.com> <4F8F98AA.9030103@pickup.hu> <4F8FAD9F.1090802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F8FAFFB.104@pickup.hu> Hy, I only recompiled at-spi2-core gnome-3-4 branch source. Attila From krecoun at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 15:59:48 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vojt=ECch_Pol=E1=B9ek?=) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:59:48 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions In-Reply-To: <4F8FAFFB.104@pickup.hu> References: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> <4F8E73A7.4060107@pickup.hu> <4F8F0341.1010607@gmail.com> <4F8F98AA.9030103@pickup.hu> <4F8FAD9F.1090802@gmail.com> <4F8FAFFB.104@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F903674.6060402@gmail.com> Well, that at-spi thing actually ixed my libreoffice problem, thanks alot. And I love that QT accessibility - I have tried just skype or a while and qstardict, but its very good step forward. But I am woried about thunderbird - when you open a thread, I found that messae list is not updated properly, just try it: a) find a collapsed thread in the middle of the list and take note of following messages b) expand thread and go through messages - htey are still the same, but when you open them, they are messages belonging to that thread. And echoing by word doesn't work in thunderbird at all, in terminal it works only if you type for example something, then dash or dot (will announce word). And I have a question - can I conigure espeak to use libsonic as it is in Vinux? Because othervise its quite slow for me. Libsonic0 is installed. And is there any way of reordering items or adding items to unity launcher? I have install gnome-session-fallback, but I like the way how unity searches my files. Thank you very much, Vojta On 19.4.2012 08:26, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I only recompiled at-spi2-core gnome-3-4 branch source. > > Attila > From ka1cey at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 16:20:59 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:20:59 -0400 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions In-Reply-To: <4F903674.6060402@gmail.com> References: <4F8E6A18.2060301@gmail.com> <4F8E73A7.4060107@pickup.hu> <4F8F0341.1010607@gmail.com> <4F8F98AA.9030103@pickup.hu> <4F8FAD9F.1090802@gmail.com> <4F8FAFFB.104@pickup.hu> <4F903674.6060402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F903B6B.7040109@gmail.com> Everyone else seems to get proper reading once they've updated the at-spi2-core, I'm doing something wrong. Regarding the Unity launcher, the easiest way to add an item is to start the app in question, locate its name in the list, use the right arrow to move to the context menu, and select the 'lock to launcher' option. Similarly, if you want to remove something, locate it, and use the 'unlock from launcher'. Regarding the threading issues you have in t-bird, since I don't thread, I haven't noticed. Cheers, Dave On 04/19/2012 11:59 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Well, that at-spi thing actually ixed my libreoffice problem, thanks alot. > And I love that QT accessibility - I have tried just skype or a while > and qstardict, but its very good step forward. > But I am woried about thunderbird - when you open a thread, I found that > messae list is not updated properly, just try it: > a) find a collapsed thread in the middle of the list and take note of > following messages > b) expand thread and go through messages - htey are still the same, but > when you open them, they are messages belonging to that thread. > And echoing by word doesn't work in thunderbird at all, in terminal it > works only if you type for example something, then dash or dot (will > announce word). > And I have a question - can I conigure espeak to use libsonic as it is > in Vinux? Because othervise its quite slow for me. Libsonic0 is installed. > And is there any way of reordering items or adding items to unity launcher? > I have install gnome-session-fallback, but I like the way how unity > searches my files. > Thank you very much, > Vojta > > On 19.4.2012 08:26, Hammer Attila wrote: >> Hy, >> >> I only recompiled at-spi2-core gnome-3-4 branch source. >> >> Attila >> > From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Sat Apr 21 18:07:23 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:07:23 -0700 Subject: unbuntu apps that are blind friendly? Message-ID: <4F92F75B.8020103@hanksmith.net> hello does ubuntu come with audio and video apps by default, or do I have to install them? because I don't see much in the way of apps on my freshly installed ubuntu 12.04 system. if it doesn't come with anything can any one please recommend any good audio, video, recording apps, and other sip apps and just tons of good blind friendly orca apps I can put on to this installation of ubuntu with unity 2d? also does any one know of any tv tuner apps that work well to with orca? and a dvr app to? thanks bunches. Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From gervin at cableone.net Sun Apr 22 17:46:09 2012 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:46:09 -0500 Subject: qhimdtransfer help Message-ID: Hi, I have a Sony MiniDisk player/recorder, and I wish to access it in Linux. I am running Ubuntu 10.10, using Orca. I found a program called qhimdtransfer which is supposed to give me a lot of control over audio I put onto my player. I have used both aptitude and apt-get with no success, they both come back and say that they cannot find the package. I found a qhimdtransfer page that gave the Debian package repository, and I put that into my sources.list file, and it still does not find it. I am using apt-get (or aptitude) install qhimdtransfer neither, as I mentioned above can find the package, I know that I am using the command right, and I am doing this as SU. Thanks for any help. Glenn From burt1iband at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 18:11:59 2012 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (bando?ers) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:11:59 -0500 Subject: qhimdtransfer help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120422181158.GF14694@gmail.com> You need to update before running the install command sudo apt-get update I sent a bit more on this off list/need to find out a way to reply to both poster and list automatically with mutt. Anyway, if you are saying "stop wasting my time with the obvious.", and of course you really did update...lol..try writing the devs of this package, and or downloading source code, Seriously, we are all friendly here, and all is meant well. It's just hard to know how much or how little some one knows, especially an enfrequent or new poster. Regards, -- B.H. On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 12:46:09PM -0500, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I have a Sony MiniDisk player/recorder, and I wish to access it in Linux. > I am running Ubuntu 10.10, using Orca. > I found a program called qhimdtransfer which is supposed to give me a lot of > control over audio I put onto my player. > I have used both aptitude and apt-get with no success, they both come back > and say that they cannot find the package. > I found a qhimdtransfer page that gave the Debian package repository, and I > put that into my sources.list file, and it still does not find it. > I am using apt-get (or aptitude) install qhimdtransfer > neither, as I mentioned above can find the package, I know that I am using > the command right, and I am doing this as SU. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From steve.holmes88 at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 20:03:07 2012 From: steve.holmes88 at gmail.com (Steve Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:03:07 -0700 Subject: [orca-list] still no solution on calc accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used to have problems with Calc and losing speech after moving off of cells particularly ones I just updated. But that has gone from my system recently. I'm not at home right now so can't tell you what exact version of Libreoffice I'm running but I'm quite certain that it is something like 3.5.2. Actually, I've been using Calc for basic spreadsheet stuff lately with really snappy results. I also used the CapsLock+C to create a Row header on Column A and that has been working perfectly lately. Again, that is to get column A to speak every time I move up or down a row. Oh and espeak in US English does say Row as "Ro" (correct pronunciation). On 4/12/12, krishnakant Mane wrote: > hello all, > I have tryed all possible ways of getting this working. > But I only have marjinal success after updating my installation. > Now at least Orca behaves nicely in the writer. > It is basically all perfect (as it was in the olden gnome 2 days ). > But with Calc, I still have a major problem to be sorted out. > I just can't get the capslok + r key to set my row header. > > (as a side note, espeak utters row as rau " these days ), but that is > another issue. > > Coming back to my calc problem. > After doing orca --replace post calc launch, I get some improvement. > Now the data in cells is at least spoken with the proper cell coordinates. > But the row header problem persists and some times Orca goes scilent > when I move past a column containing data. > This is particularly the case when I move past a merged set of cells. > Can some one tell me how to get around this problem? > It is really critical for users like me who do project management and > have to make reports. > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From gervin at cableone.net Tue Apr 24 00:30:33 2012 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu will not start Message-ID: <03F1F8FB83D242538303175FA6B09889@your2c061f0461> Hi, I have been running Ubuntu 10.10 live on an 8GB SD card on my Asus, using Orca and Eloquence. I cannot get into Ubuntu any more, after it spent all night running, it did not respond, so the next morning, and after trying the power button, which usually brings up the "shut-down" option and pressing enter, it did not shut down. I had to do a hard shutdown, and now it will not boot up to Ubuntu. Later when I had a reader, I found that it was able to boot, but no sound. I tried the normal shut down, and it shuts down, but it may, or may not boot up now, I can't tell, but if it is, it still has no sound for Orca. I don't know any more how to get to the Ubuntu safe boot since I'm not sure if that is an option any more once the live version is put onto a USB or SD card. Thanks for any help. Glenn From chaltain at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 02:27:45 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:27:45 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu will not start In-Reply-To: <03F1F8FB83D242538303175FA6B09889@your2c061f0461> References: <03F1F8FB83D242538303175FA6B09889@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: <4F960FA1.4080808@gmail.com> Do you have any sound at all? Is it Orca that's silent or your whole system? I know I'm asking the obvious, but have you made sure your volume is turned up and your sound isn't muted? On 23/04/12 19:30, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I have been running Ubuntu 10.10 live on an 8GB SD card on my Asus, using > Orca and Eloquence. > I cannot get into Ubuntu any more, after it spent all night running, it did > not respond, so the next morning, and after trying the power button, which > usually brings up the "shut-down" option and pressing enter, it did not shut > down. I had to do a hard shutdown, and now it will not boot up to Ubuntu. > Later when I had a reader, I found that it was able to boot, but no sound. > I tried the normal shut down, and it shuts down, but it may, or may not boot > up now, I can't tell, but if it is, it still has no sound for Orca. > I don't know any more how to get to the Ubuntu safe boot since I'm not sure > if that is an option any more once the live version is put onto a USB or SD > card. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From gervin at cableone.net Wed Apr 25 05:09:47 2012 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:09:47 -0500 Subject: . Re: Ubuntu will not start Message-ID: Hi, No, at this point, there is no sound, I did an alt + F2 and backspaced to see if I could hear anything, and I can't. Glenn Do you have any sound at all? Is it Orca that's silent or your whole system? I know I'm asking the obvious, but have you made sure your volume is turned up and your sound isn't muted? On 23/04/12 19:30, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I have been running Ubuntu 10.10 live on an 8GB SD card on my Asus, using > Orca and Eloquence. > I cannot get into Ubuntu any more, after it spent all night running, it > did > not respond, so the next morning, and after trying the power button, which > usually brings up the "shut-down" option and pressing enter, it did not > shut > down. I had to do a hard shutdown, and now it will not boot up to Ubuntu. > Later when I had a reader, I found that it was able to boot, but no sound. > I tried the normal shut down, and it shuts down, but it may, or may not > boot > up now, I can't tell, but if it is, it still has no sound for Orca. > I don't know any more how to get to the Ubuntu safe boot since I'm not > sure > if that is an option any more once the live version is put onto a USB or > SD > card. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > From krecoun at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 16:41:51 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?=) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:41:51 +0200 Subject: changing rate of espeak Message-ID: <4F98294F.3010809@gmail.com> Hello, I have tried to change maximum rate of espeak synthesizer in ubuntu 12.04, but without success. I changed values in /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak-generic.conf But this hadn't changed anything. I can't find any local speech dispatcher configuration in my home directory. Where should I search please? Thank you, Vojta From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Apr 25 17:58:47 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:58:47 -0300 Subject: changing rate of espeak In-Reply-To: <4F98294F.3010809@gmail.com> References: <4F98294F.3010809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F983B57.1080103@informal.com.br> Hi, Did you try .speech-dispatcher in your home directory? The directory has a period in the begin of the name. On 04/25/2012 01:41 PM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Hello, > I have tried to change maximum rate of espeak synthesizer in ubuntu > 12.04, but without success. > I changed values in > /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak-generic.conf > But this hadn't changed anything. > I can't find any local speech dispatcher configuration in my home directory. > Where should I search please? > Thank you, > Vojta > From burt1iband at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 19:33:13 2012 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (bando?ers) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:33:13 -0500 Subject: changing rate of espeak In-Reply-To: <4F983B57.1080103@informal.com.br> References: <4F98294F.3010809@gmail.com> <4F983B57.1080103@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <20120425193311.GC1692@gmail.com> For normal use with Orca it has never been espeak generic that I've had to edit, but the other espeak, that just says espeak. I think this was true for espeak/speakup as well, but I'm not sure when espeak generic is the appropriate file to edit. Are both espeak and espeak generic available options and module files in 1.04? My .speechdispatcher dirs aren't the same in 10.04, 10.10 and 11.04. I don't have the latter handy to look at, but think all three are different from one another. -- B.H. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 02:58:47PM -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > Did you try .speech-dispatcher in your home directory? > > The directory has a period in the begin of the name. > > > On 04/25/2012 01:41 PM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > >Hello, > >I have tried to change maximum rate of espeak synthesizer in ubuntu > >12.04, but without success. > >I changed values in > >/etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak-generic.conf > >But this hadn't changed anything. > >I can't find any local speech dispatcher configuration in my home directory. > >Where should I search please? > >Thank you, > >Vojta > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Thu Apr 26 00:37:53 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:37:53 -0700 Subject: controling ubuntu remotely Message-ID: <4F9898E1.8000901@hanksmith.net> Hello is there a program I can get that would allow me to control ubuntu remotely that has audio support? they have windows ones but am in search for a linux one. I would also be wanting to control orca as well via this method. thanks Hank -- websites: http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 personal email: hanksmith at hanksmith.net facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Apr 26 10:12:30 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:12:30 +0200 Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output Message-ID: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> Hy, I experienced yesterday following issue: I choosed hungarian language during installation. Every installation screens proper translated with hungarian language, but in partition mode selection the first two radio buttons labels a11y descriptions is spokened Orca with english. I looked Ubiquity hungarian translation po file in ubiquity source package in the debian/po folder, all messages are translated. Usual, I hear distribution related partitioning modes a11y descriptions with english, visual seeing texts is good. I experienced this issue if I passed access=v3 boot parameter. When I now tested the problem my local machine, all three partitioning related radio buttons visual not seeing labels are untranslated. What producing this issue? Already reported? If not, I maked a video with show the problem, and I will be report it. Possible have problem with following messages, I quoted the hungarian translation file in the debian/po directory: #. Type: text #. Description #. DISTRO is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Ubuntu' #. OS is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Windows 7' #: ../ubiquity.templates:244001 msgid "Install ${DISTRO} alongside ${OS}" msgstr "${DISTRO} telepítése ${OS} mellé" #. Type: text #. Description #. DISTRO is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Ubuntu' #: ../ubiquity.templates:254001 msgid "Install ${DISTRO} alongside them" msgstr "${DISTRO} telepítése melléjük" #. Type: text #. Description #. OS is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Windows 7' #. DISTRO is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Ubuntu' #: ../ubiquity.templates:243001 msgid "Replace ${OS} with ${DISTRO}" msgstr "${OS} cseréje ezzel: ${DISTRO}" #. Type: text #. Description #: ../ubiquity.templates:5001 msgid "Manual configuration (advanced)" msgstr "Kézi beállítás (speciális)" I don't no have other messages with producing similar simptomns. Another non english language Orca users experienced similar issues? Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Apr 26 10:14:13 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:14:13 +0200 Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F991FF5.4010504@pickup.hu> Hy, Forgot I wrote: When I now tested again my installed system the problem, not passed the access=v3 boot parameter, so the problem is possible independent this boot parameter. Attila From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 23:03:32 2012 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:03:32 -0600 Subject: Routing Orca's focus to mouse pointer Message-ID: <4F99D444.30807@gmail.com> Hi list, I am helping a new user to set up his Ubuntu box, and I was wondering if there is a shortcut to route Orca to where the mouse pointer currently is. The user is looking for a read from pointer type feature, whereby Orca reads from the current location such as a block of text. This would be the reverse of routing the mouse to where Orca is currently. If there are any partially sighted users who understand what the user is trying to accomplish, please respond with any workarounds. Thanks, Jeremy From frederik.elwert at web.de Thu Apr 26 20:33:59 2012 From: frederik.elwert at web.de (Frederik Elwert) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:33:59 +0200 Subject: Introducing Max TTS Message-ID: <1335472439.14274.13.camel@frederik-HP-625> Hello everybody, it’s been some time that I wrote on these lists regarding my plans to build a speech generating device. In the mean time, I’ve spent some effort on the subject and started both configuring a device and writing an application for my purposes. Since I got some feedback on these lists back then, I’d like to share what I achieved so far. Maybe it is of interest for some people out there. The preliminary result is Max TTS . It initially started as a text-to-speech frontend for OpenMary (thus the name, a pun on the film Mary & Max). It soon turned out that, for my purposes, readable on-screen text output is even more important. Max TTS is heavily tailored towards my needs, so there might be some features and polish missing. But I’d like to share my efforts nevertheless, and encourage people to adapt it to their needs. I plan to extend it as required. I currently run Max on a Dell Duo, which is a fascinating device for this purpose: Its rotatable screen allows to write with the screen readable by the person vis-à-vis. But it can also be used on ordinary notebooks or tablets. Feedback welcome! Regards Frederik From jdashiel at shellworld.net Fri Apr 27 00:12:20 2012 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> Message-ID: The problem line is: #: ../ubiquity.templates:244001 Please remove the "#" near its left margin and do so with all similar lines in that file. That line though it is there is a commented out header line which means nothing within that heading will have any effect either. At least that is what it looks like to me. On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I experienced yesterday following issue: > I choosed hungarian language during installation. Every installation screens > proper translated with hungarian language, but in partition mode selection the > first two radio buttons labels a11y descriptions is spokened Orca with > english. > I looked Ubiquity hungarian translation po file in ubiquity source package in > the debian/po folder, all messages are translated. > Usual, I hear distribution related partitioning modes a11y descriptions with > english, visual seeing texts is good. > I experienced this issue if I passed access=v3 boot parameter. > When I now tested the problem my local machine, all three partitioning related > radio buttons visual not seeing labels are untranslated. > What producing this issue? Already reported? > If not, I maked a video with show the problem, and I will be report it. > > Possible have problem with following messages, I quoted the hungarian > translation file in the debian/po directory: > #. Type: text > #. Description > #. DISTRO is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Ubuntu' > #. OS is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Windows 7' > #: ../ubiquity.templates:244001 > msgid "Install ${DISTRO} alongside ${OS}" > msgstr "${DISTRO} telep?t?se ${OS} mell?" > > #. Type: text > #. Description > #. DISTRO is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Ubuntu' > #: ../ubiquity.templates:254001 > msgid "Install ${DISTRO} alongside them" > msgstr "${DISTRO} telep?t?se mell?j?k" > > #. Type: text > #. Description > #. OS is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Windows 7' > #. DISTRO is a variable substituted into this string, and may be 'Ubuntu' > #: ../ubiquity.templates:243001 > msgid "Replace ${OS} with ${DISTRO}" > msgstr "${OS} cser?je ezzel: ${DISTRO}" > > #. Type: text > #. Description > #: ../ubiquity.templates:5001 > msgid "Manual configuration (advanced)" > msgstr "K?zi be?ll?t?s (speci?lis)" > > I don't no have other messages with producing similar simptomns. Another non > english language Orca users experienced similar issues? > > Attila > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jude From krmane at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 04:22:28 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant mane) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:52:28 +0530 Subject: Routing Orca's focus to mouse pointer In-Reply-To: <4F99D444.30807@gmail.com> References: <4F99D444.30807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120427042228.GA2626@krmane-Lenovo-S10-3c> Oince I started to use mutt as my mail client, I have been looking for this feature as well. happy hacking. Krishnakant. , Apr 26, 2012 at 05:03:32PM -0600, Jeremy Lincicome wrote: > Hi list, > I am helping a new user to set up his Ubuntu box, and I was > wondering if there is a shortcut to route Orca to where the mouse > pointer currently is. The user is looking for a read from pointer > type feature, whereby Orca reads from the current location such as a > block of text. This would be the reverse of routing the mouse to > where Orca is currently. If there are any partially sighted users > who understand what the user is trying to accomplish, please respond > with any workarounds. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Apr 27 06:30:14 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:30:14 +0200 Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F9A3CF6.8010009@pickup.hu> Hy Jude, I think not this simbol producing this problem. Looks for example Orca hungarian translation file similar lines with works perfect: #: ../orca.desktop.in.h:1 ../src/orca/app_gui_prefs.py:215 #: ../src/orca/keybindings.py:104 ../src/orca/orca_gui_splash.py:49 #: ../src/orca/orca_gui_main.py:155 ../src/orca/orca_gui_prefs.py:1969 #: ../src/orca/orca_gui_prefs.py:2079 msgid "Orca" msgstr "Orka" #: ../orca.desktop.in.h:2 ../src/orca/orca_gui_main.py:44 msgid "Orca Screen Reader" msgstr "Orka képernyőolvasó" Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Apr 27 11:26:26 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:26:26 +0200 Subject: A little bug, Shutdown menu doesn't work in Unity Greeter Message-ID: <4F9A8262.2040105@pickup.hu> Hy, Possible everybody already known, Unity Greeter presenting awailable indicators in the login screen. If an user press F10 key, land the devicemenu indicator, with usual have following menu items: 1. Suspend. 2. Shut down. I found a little bug, with I don't no what the proper component with need reporting: If an user press ENTER key the shut down menu item, nothing happening, the machine is not shutdown, suspend works right. The user this situation land back the Unity Greeter screen. Why happening this issue? The answer is very simple, because the Lightdm user not setted with com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown GSettings key with true value. This GSettings key determining if an user choosing the devicemenu indicator with shutdown, restart or logout menu items, happening a confirmation dialog presenting or not before happening the real operation. If this GSettings value is false, the confirmation dialog is presenting, but this is not happening in Unity Greeter. You easy to verify this value with LightDm user with following commands, and possible changing temporary with this setting to true value if you want work the shutdown menu item in Unity Greeter until this bug is not fixed: 1. Verify actual value in terminal with following command: sudo -u lightdm dbus-launch --exit-with-session gsettings get com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown If the returned value is false, do next step. 2. Setting the required true value to work shutdown menu in Unity Greeter: sudo -u lightdm dbus-launch --exit-with-session gsettings set com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown true 3. If you want, do the first step to verify the change is happened right. After this, you need logging out if you want testing the new change. My machine if I click shutdown menu, the system shutdowning right in Unity Greeter too. Attila From krmane at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 13:30:31 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant mane) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:00:31 +0530 Subject: A little bug, Shutdown menu doesn't work in Unity Greeter In-Reply-To: <4F9A8262.2040105@pickup.hu> References: <4F9A8262.2040105@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20120427133031.GA2543@krmane-Lenovo-S10-3c> think we press alt + f10 to get to the top panel. Then moving to left takes us to device menu. Now pressing up arow once will take us to shutdown. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:26:26PM +0200, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Possible everybody already known, Unity Greeter presenting awailable > indicators in the login screen. > If an user press F10 key, land the devicemenu indicator, with usual > have following menu items: > 1. Suspend. > 2. Shut down. > > I found a little bug, with I don't no what the proper component with > need reporting: > If an user press ENTER key the shut down menu item, nothing > happening, the machine is not shutdown, suspend works right. The > user this situation land back the Unity Greeter screen. > Why happening this issue? > The answer is very simple, because the Lightdm user not setted with > com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown > GSettings key with true value. > This GSettings key determining if an user choosing the devicemenu > indicator with shutdown, restart or logout menu items, happening a > confirmation dialog presenting or not before happening the real > operation. If this GSettings value is false, the confirmation dialog > is presenting, but this is not happening in Unity Greeter. > You easy to verify this value with LightDm user with following > commands, and possible changing temporary with this setting to true > value if you want work the shutdown menu item in Unity Greeter until > this bug is not fixed: > 1. Verify actual value in terminal with following command: > sudo -u lightdm dbus-launch --exit-with-session gsettings get > com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown > If the returned value is false, do next step. > 2. Setting the required true value to work shutdown menu in Unity Greeter: > sudo -u lightdm dbus-launch --exit-with-session gsettings set > com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown > true > 3. If you want, do the first step to verify the change is happened right. > After this, you need logging out if you want testing the new change. > My machine if I click shutdown menu, the system shutdowning right in > Unity Greeter too. > > Attila > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Apr 27 14:09:39 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:09:39 +0200 Subject: A little bug, Shutdown menu doesn't work in Unity Greeter In-Reply-To: <20120427133031.GA2543@krmane-Lenovo-S10-3c> References: <4F9A8262.2040105@pickup.hu> <20120427133031.GA2543@krmane-Lenovo-S10-3c> Message-ID: <4F9AA8A3.8060409@pickup.hu> Possible you true, I using GNOME3 fallback session, not Unity. In Unity2d real not the device menu the first selected indicator, and some time need using ALT+F10 key to access indicators, not normal F10 key, for example the desktop this is true. But the shutdown menue related problem in Unity Greeter is independent this unfortunately. Attila From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at Fri Apr 27 16:35:29 2012 From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:35:29 +0200 Subject: A little bug, Shutdown menu doesn't work in Unity Greeter In-Reply-To: <4F9AA8A3.8060409@pickup.hu> References: <4F9A8262.2040105@pickup.hu> <20120427133031.GA2543@krmane-Lenovo-S10-3c> <4F9AA8A3.8060409@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F9ACAD1.9000100@vol.at> hi, they changed the shortcut from f10 to alt+f10 for the indicators menu. greetings, simon Am 27.04.2012 16:09, schrieb Hammer Attila: > Possible you true, I using GNOME3 fallback session, not Unity. > In Unity2d real not the device menu the first selected indicator, and > some time need using ALT+F10 key to access indicators, not normal F10 > key, for example the desktop this is true. > But the shutdown menue related problem in Unity Greeter is independent > this unfortunately. > > Attila > -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at MSN: simon_eigeldinger at hotmail.com ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan at livejournal.com From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Apr 28 01:25:23 2012 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: <4F9A3CF6.8010009@pickup.hu> References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> <4F9A3CF6.8010009@pickup.hu> Message-ID: Please find the english messages and compare their format against the hungarian messages. If the english messages do not have # near their beginnings, that should provide proof as to what has happened. On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Jude, > > I think not this simbol producing this problem. > Looks for example Orca hungarian translation file similar lines with works > perfect: > #: ../orca.desktop.in.h:1 ../src/orca/app_gui_prefs.py:215 > #: ../src/orca/keybindings.py:104 ../src/orca/orca_gui_splash.py:49 > #: ../src/orca/orca_gui_main.py:155 ../src/orca/orca_gui_prefs.py:1969 > #: ../src/orca/orca_gui_prefs.py:2079 > msgid "Orca" > msgstr "Orka" > > #: ../orca.desktop.in.h:2 ../src/orca/orca_gui_main.py:44 > msgid "Orca Screen Reader" > msgstr "Orka k?perny?olvas?" > > Attila > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jude From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 02:25:30 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:25:30 -0400 Subject: Light DM was muted Message-ID: <4F9B551A.9020000@gmail.com> Hi, You may have heard, in past few days, of my troubles with light dm and orca? Turns out, it was muted. I'm wondering how to prevent a recurrence of this? Thanks, Dave Hunt. From chaltain at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 03:32:50 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:32:50 -0500 Subject: Light DM was muted In-Reply-To: <4F9B551A.9020000@gmail.com> References: <4F9B551A.9020000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F9B64E2.5020903@gmail.com> I don't recall the details of your messages. Was this off of the Live CD or after a fresh install? There's a problem where Ubuntu and other distros come up muted on certain systems. I had this problem myself, but I don't seem to have it on the just released Precise. If you've unmuted your system, it should stay unmuted. If it was a running system, can you think of anything you did or anything you installed which might have muted your system? Do you know where the media keys are on your system? If you ever think your system is muted, you can use these keys to unmute your system. This is what I used to do when I was installing ubuntu, but it doesn't look like I need to do that anymore. On 27/04/12 21:25, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > You may have heard, in past few days, of my troubles with light dm and > orca? Turns out, it was muted. I'm wondering how to prevent a > recurrence of this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave Hunt. > > > > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From kalladasunny1 at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 03:39:40 2012 From: kalladasunny1 at gmail.com (sunny p o) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:09:40 +0530 Subject: How can be found out the visited link in ubuntu 12.04 Message-ID: I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 in my system. But the visited links cannot be found by pressing 'V[ as in ubuntu 11.10. It is very difficult to read news papers. From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 03:41:22 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:41:22 -0400 Subject: Light DM was muted In-Reply-To: <4F9B64E2.5020903@gmail.com> References: <4F9B551A.9020000@gmail.com> <4F9B64E2.5020903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F9B66E2.4050801@gmail.com> Hi, On the live cd for 12.04, nothing was muted, and I proceeded with the install. After installing, I started, using the new hard drive system. Light Dm was not muted on this first startup. I did some setup, such as restoring some backed-up files, plugged in some preferences, etc. I did a proper shutdown. When next I started, Light Dm was muted. Once I logged in, the system came up talking. When the login manager came up muted, I tried my media keys, and found that they did not work. I had someone look, and he found that the sound was muted on the login manager. He corrected this with the track pad. I explored the login screen, using flat review, and cannot get to the volume controls for this. The media keys still do not work but they do once I'm logged in. BTW, the machine is an Asus 1015 PE (netbook) Best Regards, Dave On 04/27/2012 11:32 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I don't recall the details of your messages. Was this off of the Live CD > or after a fresh install? There's a problem where Ubuntu and other > distros come up muted on certain systems. I had this problem myself, but > I don't seem to have it on the just released Precise. > > If you've unmuted your system, it should stay unmuted. If it was a > running system, can you think of anything you did or anything you > installed which might have muted your system? > > Do you know where the media keys are on your system? If you ever think > your system is muted, you can use these keys to unmute your system. This > is what I used to do when I was installing ubuntu, but it doesn't look > like I need to do that anymore. > > On 27/04/12 21:25, Dave Hunt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You may have heard, in past few days, of my troubles with light dm and >> orca? Turns out, it was muted. I'm wondering how to prevent a >> recurrence of this? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Dave Hunt. >> >> >> >> >> > From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Apr 28 05:25:57 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:25:57 +0200 Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> <4F9A3CF6.8010009@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F9B7F65.1030000@pickup.hu> Jude, unfortunately this problem is not only hungarian language specific. I tryed now switch french language during installation, and partitioner mode screen happened similar issues. Attila From fleytin at yandex.ru Sat Apr 28 06:52:29 2012 From: fleytin at yandex.ru (Sergei V. Fleytin) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:52:29 +0400 Subject: Light DM was muted In-Reply-To: <4F9B551A.9020000@gmail.com> References: <4F9B551A.9020000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F9B93AD.2040405@yandex.ru> Hi Dave, and others, 28.04.2012 06:25, Dave Hunt пишет: > Hi, > > You may have heard, in past few days, of my troubles with light dm and > orca? Turns out, it was muted. I'm wondering how to prevent a recurrence > of this? > I have the same problem, actually, on one of my system. But as a braille user I noticed, that orca actually starts on login screen, but only braille output is working. If you do need speech, you may use the following "dirty hack": press insert+space to invoke orca parameters dialog. Actually it won't launch, but, at least, you will get speech back temporarily. HTH Sergey. From ethanak at polip.com Sat Apr 28 08:55:20 2012 From: ethanak at polip.com (Bohdan R. Rau) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:55:20 +0100 Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: <4F9B7F65.1030000@pickup.hu> References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> <4F9A3CF6.8010009@pickup.hu> <4F9B7F65.1030000@pickup.hu> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:25:57 +0200, Hammer Attila wrote: > I tryed now switch french language during installation, and > partitioner mode screen happened similar issues. I installed 12.04 yesterday on virtualbox. On boot screen I selected Polish language, screenreader and installation. Orca started with English language and English localization instead of Polish, so I must manually switch synthesis language. Installer properly started with Polish language preselected, but all messages was spoken in mixed language - for example "Wstecz push button" ("wstecz" is Polish "backward"). May be there is problem? ethanak -- http://milena.polip.com/ - Pa pa, Ivonko! From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at Sat Apr 28 08:47:15 2012 From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:47:15 +0200 Subject: Light DM was muted In-Reply-To: <4F9B551A.9020000@gmail.com> References: <4F9B551A.9020000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F9BAE93.6030402@vol.at> hi, just installed ubuntu 12.04 from the final cd and had the volume turned way down. fortunately i have a keyboard with volume keys so i was able to turn it back up. on a laptop it also works with fn+arrow up. greetings, simon Am 28.04.2012 04:25, schrieb Dave Hunt: Hi, You may have heard, in past few days, of my troubles with light dm and orca? Turns out, it was muted. I'm wondering how to prevent a recurrence of this? Thanks, Dave Hunt. -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at MSN: simon_eigeldinger at hotmail.com ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan at livejournal.com From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Apr 28 09:14:03 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:14:03 +0200 Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> <4F9A3CF6.8010009@pickup.hu> <4F9B7F65.1030000@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F9BB4DB.4040102@pickup.hu> Hy Ethanak, Yes, this is an another problem, if you switch a new language the installation, localization switch I think not full happening. Orca querying rolename related information with at-spi2 now, so this is important. For example, if I prewious used Ubuntu 12.04 with english language, and during installation screen testing I switch hungarian language, installer texts is hungarian, but Orca rolename spokening is english until I not press first screen with continue push button (I hear folytatás push button, not folytatás gomb). Gomb the hungarian rolename translation in at-spi2 with push button english role name. Or, when I this day morning tested with italian and french output the partitioner screen I used hungarian locale prewious. When I switched first main screen with italian or french language, Orca spokened me hungarian rolenames the first screen, not italian or french rolenames (I hear gomb hungarian rolename the first screen, not push button). Attila From ethanak at polip.com Sat Apr 28 09:57:50 2012 From: ethanak at polip.com (Bohdan R. Rau) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:57:50 +0100 Subject: ISO-2 keyboard and locale in console - how to switch =?UTF-8?Q?on=3F?= Message-ID: <71961e150678598b591ad5024cd07edc@mail.setia.pl> Hi. I try to make speakup and speechd-up usable (not for me, my friend told me hi must have Ivona talking on console and doesn't want to hear any other voice). I found bug in speak-up, now I try to rewrite startup scripts. Everything works but two things: 1) keyboard still generates UTF-8 sequences instead of single bytes 2) I don't have idea, how to switch default locale (on console I must have pl_PL.ISO-8859-2, in Gnome pl_PL.UTF-8). Any idea? ethanak -- http://milena.polip.com/ - Pa pa, Ivonko! From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Apr 28 11:47:55 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:47:55 +0200 Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: <4F9BB4DB.4040102@pickup.hu> References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> <4F9A3CF6.8010009@pickup.hu> <4F9B7F65.1030000@pickup.hu> <4F9BB4DB.4040102@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F9BD8EB.20603@pickup.hu> Hy Ethanak, I reported both two experienced issues in a joined report. I pasted your letter with first problem description, hopefuly the developers possible fixing you experienced issue too. bugreport link is following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/990438 If anybody would like, click following direct link, and check the yes radio button to mark this bug affects you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/990438/+affectsmetoo I attached a video the report, my friend looked the video. Visual all screen presenting messages are right translated with hungarian language, so absolute sure have problems only with radiobuttons a11y descriptive messages. Attila From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Apr 28 15:07:13 2012 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: In Ubiquity installer GTK frontend some radiobutton a11y labels doesn't spokening always translated output In-Reply-To: <4F9BB4DB.4040102@pickup.hu> References: <4F991F8E.90408@pickup.hu> <4F9A3CF6.8010009@pickup.hu> <4F9B7F65.1030000@pickup.hu> <4F9BB4DB.4040102@pickup.hu> Message-ID: You can select the language on the boot line lang=en is the default, but try another installation using lang=hu and see if you have better luck. On Sat, 28 Apr 2012, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy Ethanak, > > Yes, this is an another problem, if you switch a new language the > installation, localization switch I think not full happening. Orca querying > rolename related information with at-spi2 now, so this is important. > For example, if I prewious used Ubuntu 12.04 with english language, and during > installation screen testing I switch hungarian language, installer texts is > hungarian, but Orca rolename spokening is english until I not press first > screen with continue push button (I hear folytat?s push button, not folytat?s > gomb). Gomb the hungarian rolename translation in at-spi2 with push button > english role name. > > Or, when I this day morning tested with italian and french output the > partitioner screen I used hungarian locale prewious. > When I switched first main screen with italian or french language, Orca > spokened me hungarian rolenames the first screen, not italian or french > rolenames (I hear gomb hungarian rolename the first screen, not push button). > > Attila > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jude From chaltain at gmail.com Sat Apr 28 15:12:33 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:12:33 -0500 Subject: No speech in sudo gedit Message-ID: <4F9C08E1.2060500@gmail.com> I'm playing around with Precise, and I've noticed that if I run something like $ sudo gedit /etc/modules I get no speech in the gedit session. Orca is working fine elsewhere. Any tips on what I should do? -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From vilmar at informal.com.br Sat Apr 28 16:41:23 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:41:23 -0300 Subject: I can not switch to console mode after updates Message-ID: <4F9C1DB3.5030506@informal.com.br> Hi all. After I apply some updates, I can not switch to console mode pressing ctrl+alt+f1. If for example I am in a terminal session and press ctrl+alt+f1, some garbage appear in the terminal and nothing happen. Thanks. From krecoun at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 14:34:00 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?=) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:34:00 +0200 Subject: ubuntu 12.04 release version - my impressions Message-ID: <4F9D5158.9070101@gmail.com> Hi, I have successfully downloaded and installed 12.04 final release. I have installed latest orca from git (gnome-3-4 branch) and at-spi2-core (gnome-3-4 branch). This solved my problem with libreoffice reading current line twice. I am quite satisfied, except for several things, I hope they will be solved. Orca still doesn't work with threading in thunderbird. It doesn't refresh list in a right way, and it causes confusion. Is therre any bug for this? And I have a problem - I can't set orca to use higher speeds of espeak. I have copied speechd.conf from vinux 3.1 machine, where it works into .speech-dispatcher/conf/speechd.conf and there is no difference. HUD is not speaking, but I don't mind, at least for now. And it seems, that in Thunderbird, shortcuts like o and p doesn't work correctly. I am using thunderbrowse for viewing RSS feeds and it behaves strangely. Can you please help me with these problems? I heart that there is some additional repository or ubuntu accessibility related stuff - but it was probably for unity 3d. I am using unity 2d and I am satisfied. I will post more. Thank you, Vojta From krmane at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 15:11:06 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant mane) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:41:06 +0530 Subject: getting login music, forgot the command Message-ID: <20120429151106.GA12065@kk-thinkpad> Hello all, Some days back there was a thread on this list about the login music not playing after password is entered. Some one had posted a command which I have lost. I tryed to dig my archives, but can't find the email. Can some one give me the command again? I had put it in my startup apps and the music used to play, happy hacking. Krishnakant. From chaltain at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 18:31:24 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:31:24 -0500 Subject: getting login music, forgot the command In-Reply-To: <20120429151106.GA12065@kk-thinkpad> References: <20120429151106.GA12065@kk-thinkpad> Message-ID: <4F9D88FC.8090506@gmail.com> Alan Bell posted it to the Ubuntu Accessibility list. The command is: /usr/bin/canberra-gtk-play --id="desktop-login" --description="GNOME Login" On 04/29/2012 10:11 AM, Krishnakant mane wrote: > Hello all, > Some days back there was a thread on this list about the login music not playing after password is entered. > Some one had posted a command which I have lost. > I tryed to dig my archives, but can't find the email. > Can some one give me the command again? > I had put it in my startup apps and the music used to play, > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 23:08:03 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:08:03 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse by default in the next Trisquel versions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F9DC9D3.3070805@gmail.com> I installed synapse into Ubuntu 12.04, and, I now have an accessible synaptic package manager, and this makes me very happy! Cheers, Dave -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse by default in the next Trisquel versions Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:49:45 +0200 (CEST) From: mikko.viinamaki at students.turkuamk.fi Reply-To: User help and discussion To: trisquel-users at listas.trisquel.info Sure looks cutesy. It's licensed partly under the GPL and the LGPL and is available in Trisquel repos. I personally use a terminal to run stuff and mlocate to find files but each to her own. The centralization sounds interesting as does the keyboard over mouse aspect. I wonder how heavy the zeitgeist daemon is. I'll give it a try. :)