From gervin at cableone.net Sun Dec 2 03:32:52 2012 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 21:32:52 -0600 Subject: problems upgrading from 10.10 Message-ID: Hi, I am using Ubuntu 10.10 on one of my netbooks, and since it keeps reminding me to upgrade, I thought I'd do that. It seemed to update first, I ran: sudo apt-get update But when I try to upgrade, it can't seem to get any packages and it fails. I am not using a proxy, and I am on-line. When I use sighted assistance to go into synaptic package manager, to set it to "default" instead of "smart" update, under settings, it locks up. Any suggestions? Thanks. Glenn From krmane at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 05:22:55 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (krishnakant Mane) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:52:55 +0530 Subject: problems upgrading from 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: YOu won't be able to update that machine because the 10.10 repos have no more updates, the support is over. Installing 12.04 would help. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/12/2012, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I am using Ubuntu 10.10 on one of my netbooks, and since it keeps reminding > > me to upgrade, I thought I'd do that. > It seemed to update first, I ran: > sudo apt-get update > But when I try to upgrade, it can't seem to get any packages and it fails. > I am not using a proxy, and I am on-line. > When I use sighted assistance to go into synaptic package manager, to set it > > to "default" instead of "smart" update, under settings, it locks up. > Any suggestions? > Thanks. > > Glenn > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From gervin at cableone.net Sun Dec 2 16:29:47 2012 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:29:47 -0600 Subject: sources.list for upgrade to 11.04 Message-ID: <4AFE6B5B8C714A36B6A53405E6CE9E6A@your2c061f0461> Hi, As in my last message, I am still working on upgrading my Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04. I did the command: sudo do-release-upgrade and it had trouble getting the packages from the repositories. To test things, I did: sudo apt-get vim and successfully installed the text editor for editing the sources.list file. There are two lines in the first section, which looks to be for upgrades. Is there another line I can enter to be sure to find a mirror for the upgrade? All the lines that are not hashed out have "restricted" at the end of the line. Thanks for any help. Glenn From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Dec 2 17:02:02 2012 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:02:02 -0700 Subject: sources.list for upgrade to 11.04 In-Reply-To: <4AFE6B5B8C714A36B6A53405E6CE9E6A@your2c061f0461> References: <4AFE6B5B8C714A36B6A53405E6CE9E6A@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: <20121202100202.6e4bfdcf@teamcharliesangels.com> On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:29:47 -0600 Lenny wrote: > Hi, > As in my last message, I am still working on upgrading my Ubuntu 10.10 to > 11.04. > I did the command: > sudo do-release-upgrade > and it had trouble getting the packages from the repositories. > To test things, I did: > sudo apt-get vim > and successfully installed the text editor for editing the sources.list > file. > There are two lines in the first section, which looks to be for upgrades. > Is there another line I can enter to be sure to find a mirror for the > upgrade? > All the lines that are not hashed out have "restricted" at the end of the > line. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > Each release of Ubuntu is supported for 18 months, except LTS, which is 3 to 5 years. Ubuntu 10.10 became unsupported as of April of 2012 when the 12.04 release came out. As an unsupported release, the repositories are no longer available. To upgrade, you need those repositories. Further, Ubuntu 11.04 became unsupported in October or 2012. It also does not repositories available for upgrade. It is generally recommended to install a fresh version of a supported release when such an old release is in use. The recommendation for those needing a11y support is Ubuntu 12.04, which will be supported for 5 years. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From gervin at cableone.net Sun Dec 2 17:05:34 2012 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:05:34 -0600 Subject: upgrading Ubuntu Message-ID: <2171F324F1F7437FB124DE0056072DBC@your2c061f0461> I think I got it, I edited sources.list and just took out all the hashes on lines with repositories. Glenn From nolan at thewordnerd.info Mon Dec 3 16:57:25 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:57:25 -0600 Subject: LibreOffice menu accessibility Message-ID: <50BCD9F5.2000603@thewordnerd.info> I'm under Ubuntu 12.10 and am encountering an odd access issue. I acknowledge that 12.10 isn't intended to be as accessible as LTS releases, but this is an odd enough corner case that it seems should work. If I pull up the LibreOffice Writer to view a Word document, I can't seem to open any menus. Alt alone brings up the HUD. F10, as well as Alt-f, Alt-t, etc. do nothing. Were this some esoteric feature, then I'd not be surprised at its inaccessibility. But this is the program menu, and thus far every other menu in every other app is significantly more accessible (I.e. minimally usable. :) Am I missing something? Is there some new LibreOffice feature that makes the menu invisible by default? I do have Java installed, and don't see any errors on the console. I've also installed the additional Java LO package, though I'm not sure if that helps access at all. Thanks. From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Dec 3 22:22:14 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:22:14 +1100 Subject: LibreOffice menu accessibility In-Reply-To: <50BCD9F5.2000603@thewordnerd.info> References: <50BCD9F5.2000603@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <20121203222214.GA3458@acapella.yelavich.home> On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 03:57:25AM EST, Nolan Darilek wrote: > If I pull up the LibreOffice Writer to view a Word document, I can't > seem to open any menus. > > Alt alone brings up the HUD. F10, as well as Alt-f, Alt-t, etc. do nothing. LibreOffice is one of those special case apps that requires specialized code to be written to put its menu bar into the global menu and make it searchable by the HUD. Unfortunately this code is still very buggy, particularly when it comes to keyboard access. I can certainly reproduce the problems you are having, and can use Alt F10 to open the menu bar, but cannot arrow through menus, since whenever I arrow to a menu item, it gets automatically activated. I believe keyboard bugs have been filed against the relevant package that manages the global menu bar support for LibreOffice, however I am not sure what package is responsible for this, it may be LibreOffice itself though. I think the only wayh to work around this properly is to run LibreOffice under an alternate shell. There may also be a way to disable the global menu support for LibreOffice, but I am not sure how this could be done. Luke From d.dalton at iinet.net.au Thu Dec 6 09:02:03 2012 From: d.dalton at iinet.net.au (Daniel Dalton) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:02:03 +1100 Subject: A few annoying problems still with ubuntu Message-ID: <20121206090203.GA5691@gwsc.vic.edu.au> Hi, I've now moved from debian to ubuntu permanently, but I'm having a couple of annoying issues: I'm running ubuntu 12.10 using gnome-shell (gnome 3) with everything up to date. 1. I'm still having a problem which I mentioned a few weeks ago where libreoffice calc is unusable with orca. It seems when I try to use the arrow keys to navigate the spreadsheet, the cursor moves, but orca gives me no spoken or Braille feedback as to what is going on. 2. In firefox (and possibly other applications, but I can only reproduce in firefox), there are some problems with Braille. Sometimes the display will show "screen not in text mode" and if I arrow a few lines further this will change back to the text which is on the page. If I keep moving through the page the screen not in text mode message continues to reappear every few lines. Just reproduced this on m.facebook.com (news feed) and google.com just now. Can anyone reproduce/suggest any solutions? Or is this a question for the orca mailing list? 3. On my debian machine the boot messages were displayed in text mode. This meant I could start brltty early and see most of the boot messages. In ubuntu brltty starts and then moves to say screen not in text mode. I'm guessing this is because there is some type of graphical boot for ubuntu? I've tried changing grub from the splash to "text", but all this seems to do was not start the gui, which is not what I want. I still want to start the gui on boot, but have some type of way to review the boot messages when booting in Braille so that if something goes wrong I can fix my machine independently. I've also changed brltty to start early in /etc/rcS.d/ so that brltty is at S13. Has anyone got any ideas how I can see boot messages in Braille or at least have a way to know that something has failed at boot time, and a way to independently correct this? These are only very minor problems, and I'm really enjoying the ubuntu experience. If anyone has any suggestions or fixes though I'd be very grateful. Keep up the good work. Thanks in advance. Daniel From nolan at thewordnerd.info Fri Dec 21 17:24:27 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:27 -0600 Subject: Ringtail accessibility Message-ID: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> Normally I'd stay away from development releases, but apparently the newest Orca requires Python 3.3, and I'm experiencing some issues in the Orca shipped with 12.10 that make it difficult to use (it doesn't seem to respond to the command line option that's supposed to kill it, hangs fairly regularly, and I occasionally get stuck in states where I can't navigate websites with arrows nor do keystrokes interrupt speech.) I know that at least the kill thing is probably resolved in Git master, but I'm wondering about the others. So I'm wondering about 13.04. Since many features aren't being publicized, are the 13.04 builds more accessibly stable than they'd be were Unity and other components undergoing massive churn? Has anyone experimented with this? What is the most accessible way to boot a virtualized desktop? Vbox is QT, and while I know there is a command line interface, I'd really like an easier and more accessible option for booting a Ubuntu desktop that doesn't involve configuring a VM from scratch via the command line. Thanks. From krecoun at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 17:29:37 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vojt=ECch_Pol=E1=B9ek?=) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:29:37 +0100 Subject: a new article about Ubuntu 12.04 and Unity Message-ID: <50D49C81.6020704@gmail.com> Hi folks, I am sorry if I am off topic, but I think that this may be useful as resource for new Linux users. I am writing series of articles about Linux for visually impaired. It is not going very fast, because I have lots of things to do, mainly studies, but I try to publish as much as possible. I create these articles primarily for Czech users, but usually I prepare a translation into English in several months. This latest article is about Unity 2D and its abilities and it is aimed mainly at new users. I would like to receive your feedback, mainly on what other software should I discuss on my blog. I will probably add a link to accessible freedom wiki, because there is lots of useful information in English. So here is the post and don't forget to look at older articles. http://vojtapolasek.eu/en/2012/10/tucnak-mluvi-predvadi-umi/ Thank you very much for your time, Vojtěch Polášek From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Fri Dec 21 17:32:41 2012 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:32:41 -0700 Subject: Ringtail accessibility In-Reply-To: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:27 -0600 Nolan Darilek wrote: > Normally I'd stay away from development releases, but apparently the > newest Orca requires Python 3.3, and I'm experiencing some issues in the > Orca shipped with 12.10 that make it difficult to use (it doesn't seem > to respond to the command line option that's supposed to kill it, hangs > fairly regularly, and I occasionally get stuck in states where I can't > navigate websites with arrows nor do keystrokes interrupt speech.) I > know that at least the kill thing is probably resolved in Git master, > but I'm wondering about the others. > > So I'm wondering about 13.04. Since many features aren't being > publicized, are the 13.04 builds more accessibly stable than they'd be > were Unity and other components undergoing massive churn? Has anyone > experimented with this? > > What is the most accessible way to boot a virtualized desktop? Vbox is > QT, and while I know there is a command line interface, I'd really like > an easier and more accessible option for booting a Ubuntu desktop that > doesn't involve configuring a VM from scratch via the command line. > > Thanks. > As stated many times now by the developer that maintains accessibility for Ubuntu: "It is recommended that you use 12.04 LTS instead. The accessibility team does not have enough resources to make sure every release of Ubuntu is as accessible as it can be, so the team only focuses on the LTS releases. Luke" That means the next version that we know will have orca and accessibility working is 14.04. In between, things may or may not work, and should be expected to give problems. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From sonfire11 at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 17:55:52 2012 From: sonfire11 at gmail.com (Andy B.) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:55:52 -0500 Subject: Ringtail accessibility In-Reply-To: <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <001e01cddfa4$6c1bbc40$445334c0$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kravetz Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 12:33 PM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Ringtail accessibility On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:27 -0600 Nolan Darilek wrote: > Normally I'd stay away from development releases, but apparently the > newest Orca requires Python 3.3, and I'm experiencing some issues in > the Orca shipped with 12.10 that make it difficult to use (it doesn't > seem to respond to the command line option that's supposed to kill it, > hangs fairly regularly, and I occasionally get stuck in states where I > can't navigate websites with arrows nor do keystrokes interrupt > speech.) I know that at least the kill thing is probably resolved in > Git master, but I'm wondering about the others. > > So I'm wondering about 13.04. Since many features aren't being > publicized, are the 13.04 builds more accessibly stable than they'd be > were Unity and other components undergoing massive churn? Has anyone > experimented with this? > > What is the most accessible way to boot a virtualized desktop? Vbox is > QT, and while I know there is a command line interface, I'd really > like an easier and more accessible option for booting a Ubuntu desktop > that doesn't involve configuring a VM from scratch via the command line. > > Thanks. > As stated many times now by the developer that maintains accessibility for Ubuntu: "It is recommended that you use 12.04 LTS instead. The accessibility team does not have enough resources to make sure every release of Ubuntu is as accessible as it can be, so the team only focuses on the LTS releases. Luke" That means the next version that we know will have orca and accessibility working is 14.04. In between, things may or may not work, and should be expected to give problems. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] I thought 13.04 was a LTS release, but either way, when I tried to install 13.04 a few hours ago, the installer was completely inaccessible. In fact, it's so bad, that the try/install window is 100% inaccessible. Pressing ctrl+s does start orca, but alt+tab fails to work in all cases. As far as the virtual machine problem, an accessible virtualization package is VMWare Player found at www.vmware.com/player. It is free for personal use. Another option costs around $300USD, but it is VMWare Workstation found at www.vmware.com/workstation. I like workstation better than player especially when it is ran under linux, but player works when you are hard up for money. From nolan at thewordnerd.info Fri Dec 21 20:11:48 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:11:48 -0600 Subject: Ringtail accessibility In-Reply-To: <001e01cddfa4$6c1bbc40$445334c0$@gmail.com> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> <001e01cddfa4$6c1bbc40$445334c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D4C284.7000108@thewordnerd.info> On 12/21/2012 11:55 AM, Andy B. wrote: > thought 13.04 was a LTS release, but either way, when I tried to > install 13.04 a few hours ago, the installer was completely > inaccessible. In fact, it's so bad, that the try/install window is > 100% inaccessible. Pressing ctrl+s does start orca, but alt+tab fails > to work in all cases. As far as the Cool, thanks, sounds like both the install and regular use cases are broken then. I'll fire up a VM in a month or so and see how it's working then. From nolan at thewordnerd.info Fri Dec 21 20:12:43 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:12:43 -0600 Subject: Ringtail accessibility In-Reply-To: <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <50D4C2BB.60907@thewordnerd.info> On 12/21/2012 11:32 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > As stated many times now by the developer that maintains accessibility > for Ubuntu: "It is The question was not "what is recommended/expected to happen," and I think I was fairly clear in stating that. The question is "what is happening in the real world now?" Either someone knows that, or they don't. If the latter then no biggy. Maybe I'll install an image in Vbox and let folks know. But regardless of what might be recommended, or what I should expect, there is a real and quantifiable thing happening now. If you don't have any information on what that real and quantifiable thing is, then telling me a bunch of what-ifs isn't helpful. Thanks, and happy holidays. From nolan at thewordnerd.info Fri Dec 21 20:46:34 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:46:34 -0600 Subject: Ringtail accessibility In-Reply-To: <20121221133859.499d923c@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4C1D2.9090400@thewordnerd.info> <20121221133859.499d923c@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <50D4CAAA.4040108@thewordnerd.info> On 12/21/2012 02:38 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > What is happening is that accessibility will be broken in releases > until 14.04. I thought that was an answer to whether or not it is > expected to work in any release until then. Fair enough, but it works more or less fine in 12.10 contrary to official expectations, so I thought the same might be true of 13.04. Sorry if my response was a bit heavy-handed, but the "as has been stated many times" felt a bit harsh. I know what the official line is, having been a participant in those discussions, but not all of us are official Canonical people, and some of us actually want to run the bleeding edge because we ourselves help to create it. Also, not everyone wants to use the same distribution for two years in a world where things move quickly, and some of us are willing to tolerate a bit of breakage in exchange for that. > Please do not email me separately, I am on the mailing list, which is > how I saw your email in the first place. My intent was not to email you separately, this list's default reply-to functionality just happens to work differently than 99% of the mailing lists to which I am currently subscribed. As such, I often reply rather than reply-to-list, which I think is the common expectation for someone conducting a list discussion and wanting to continue it on same. Thanks. From sonfire11 at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 04:02:10 2012 From: sonfire11 at gmail.com (Andy B.) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:02:10 -0500 Subject: Ringtail accessibility In-Reply-To: <50D4CAAA.4040108@thewordnerd.info> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4C1D2.9090400@thewordnerd.info> <20121221133859.499d923c@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4CAAA.4040108@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <001e01cddff9$1ec7be30$5c573a90$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Nolan Darilek Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:47 PM To: Ubuntu-accessibility Subject: Re: Ringtail accessibility On 12/21/2012 02:38 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > What is happening is that accessibility will be broken in releases > until 14.04. I thought that was an answer to whether or not it is > expected to work in any release until then. Fair enough, but it works more or less fine in 12.10 contrary to official expectations, so I thought the same might be true of 13.04. Sorry if my response was a bit heavy-handed, but the "as has been stated many times" felt a bit harsh. I know what the official line is, having been a participant in those discussions, but not all of us are official Canonical people, and some of us actually want to run the bleeding edge because we ourselves help to create it. Also, not everyone wants to use the same distribution for two years in a world where things move quickly, and some of us are willing to tolerate a bit of breakage in exchange for that. > Please do not email me separately, I am on the mailing list, which is > how I saw your email in the first place. My intent was not to email you separately, this list's default reply-to functionality just happens to work differently than 99% of the mailing lists to which I am currently subscribed. As such, I often reply rather than reply-to-list, which I think is the common expectation for someone conducting a list discussion and wanting to continue it on same. Even more problematic for Outlook users since there is no such thing as a reply to list feature, and reply to all just adds everyone's email address in the thread to the to field. From chaltain at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 05:00:53 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:00:53 -0600 Subject: Ringtail accessibility In-Reply-To: <001e01cddff9$1ec7be30$5c573a90$@gmail.com> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4C1D2.9090400@thewordnerd.info> <20121221133859.499d923c@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4CAAA.4040108@thewordnerd.info> <001e01cddff9$1ec7be30$5c573a90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D53E85.7050000@gmail.com> On 21/12/12 22:02, Andy B. wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com > [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Nolan > Darilek > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:47 PM > To: Ubuntu-accessibility > Subject: Re: Ringtail accessibility > > On 12/21/2012 02:38 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >> What is happening is that accessibility will be broken in releases >> until 14.04. I thought that was an answer to whether or not it is >> expected to work in any release until then. I don't think anyone ever said that accessibility will be broken in releases between 12.04 and 14.04. Canonical is focusing their accessibility efforts on the LTS releases, since there are so few resources available to work on accessibility. This doesn't mean that the interim releases will be broken or won't be accessible. It just means that the effort is to ensure that the LTS releases will have the best accessibility experience. Ubuntu is open source, and anyone can contribute to it, so there's always a chance that with more resources, the interim releases could get more attention with respect to accessibility. > Fair enough, but it works more or less fine in 12.10 contrary to official > expectations, so I thought the same might be true of 13.04. > Sorry if my response was a bit heavy-handed, but the "as has been stated > many times" felt a bit harsh. I know what the official line is, having been > a participant in those discussions, but not all of us are official Canonical > people, and some of us actually want to run the bleeding edge because we > ourselves help to create it. Also, not everyone wants to use the same > distribution for two years in a world where things move quickly, and some of > us are willing to tolerate a bit of breakage in exchange for that. I didn't keep the original message, and it wasn't quoted here, but it wasn't clear to me that the poster understood where the development efforts would be focused. Maybe Charlie could have worded things differently, but I didn't see his answer as being out of line or uncalled for. >> Please do not email me separately, I am on the mailing list, which is >> how I saw your email in the first place. > > > My intent was not to email you separately, this list's default reply-to > functionality just happens to work differently than 99% of the mailing > lists to which I am currently subscribed. As such, I often reply rather > than reply-to-list, which I think is the common expectation for someone > conducting a list discussion and wanting to continue it on same. > Even more problematic for Outlook users since there is no such thing as a > reply to list feature, and reply to all just adds everyone's email address > in the thread to the to field. I'm not sure what lists y'all are on, but half of the lists I'm on behave this way, so I always use the reply to list or reply to all feature in my email client. The reply to all option in my email client generally just includes the list address and the originator so it's easy enough to delete the originators address. IMHO, it's the responsibility of the poster to know how their email client works and how the list is set up. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From gervin at cableone.net Sat Dec 22 15:37:33 2012 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:37:33 -0600 Subject: Raspberry Pi Message-ID: <9E3960B169BA464498A9FCF163EBF4E7@your2c061f0461> I just got my Raspberry Pi. It is the model B. Has anyone been able to install Ubuntu on it, or is CLI only used on it? Thanks for any info. Glenn From burt1iband at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 20:13:05 2012 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (B. Henry) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:13:05 -0600 Subject: Ringtail accessibility In-Reply-To: <50D53E85.7050000@gmail.com> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4C1D2.9090400@thewordnerd.info> <20121221133859.499d923c@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4CAAA.4040108@thewordnerd.info> <001e01cddff9$1ec7be30$5c573a90$@gmail.com> <50D53E85.7050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D61451.5000108@gmail.com> Well, I am pretty sure at least once one or more of the changes that would be likely to break accessibility were brought up, but this could be a synthesized memory as I read about Ubuntu from a variety of sources...smiles. Of course this would not mean that things would be completely inaccessible, but... (Rest of reply is mixed in the quoted material) On 12/21/2012 11:00 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > On 21/12/12 22:02, Andy B. wrote: >> Subject: Re: Ringtail accessibility >> >> On 12/21/2012 02:38 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >>> What is happening is that accessibility will be broken in releases >>> until 14.04. I thought that was an answer to whether or not it is >>> expected to work in any release until then. > I don't think anyone ever said that accessibility will be broken in > releases between 12.04 and 14.04. Canonical is focusing their > accessibility efforts on the LTS releases, since there are so few > resources available to work on accessibility. This doesn't mean that the > interim releases will be broken or won't be accessible. It just means > that the effort is to ensure that the LTS releases will have the best > accessibility experience. Ubuntu is open source, and anyone can > contribute to it, so there's always a chance that with more resources, > the interim releases could get more attention with respect to accessibility. > >> Fair enough, but it works more or less fine in 12.10 contrary to official >> expectations, so I thought the same might be true of 13.04. Please do not email me separately, I am on the mailing list, which is how I saw your email in the first place. >> My intent was not to email you separately, this list's default reply-to >> functionality just happens to work differently than 99% of the mailing >> lists to which I am currently subscribed. As such, I often reply rather >> than reply-to-list, which I think is the common expectation for someone >> conducting a list discussion and wanting to continue it on same. >> Even more problematic for Outlook users since there is no such thing as a >> reply to list feature, and reply to all just adds everyone's email address >> in the thread to the to field. > I'm not sure what lists y'all are on, but half of the lists I'm on > behave this way, so I always use the reply to list or reply to all > feature in my email client. Well, I've managed to ween myself off of all but a few lists and things may have changed on average over the last couple of years: but, This list's interaction with email clients re replies is not something I have encountered often. > The reply to all option in my email client > generally just includes the list address and the originator so it's easy > enough to delete the originators address. > IMHO, it's the responsibility of the poster to know how their email > client works and how the list is set up. > Agreed, but it's easy to forget what for some is a non-standard behavior, or forget to check if a first time poster. I went back and reposted a reply to a list, maybe this one, recently, wouldn't do so most likely if I felt the msg was not of much interest to the group. (Very subjective of course.) Wow, just to show how easy it can be to not reply as one normally would: even knowing how this group works/having known so for quite some time, and even after having just read/replied to this conversation, I _almost sent this reply to Christopher and not to the list right now! Regards, -- B. Henry From mythtv at hbuus.com Sat Dec 22 21:45:46 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:45:46 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired Message-ID: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. Regards, Helen From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Sat Dec 22 22:10:42 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 15:10:42 -0700 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> Message-ID: <50D62FE2.60008@hanksmith.net> please try to reach out to the developers. this program I am also told is one of the better tv sulutions for linux. Hank On 12/22/2012 2:45 PM, faginbagin wrote: > I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind > and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital > video recorder). > > Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ > It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution > customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ > > More details about Mythspeech can be found here: > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech > > Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: > "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life > so much easier!" > > How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring > example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and > configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend > or family member who can help with this step. > > I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in > accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on > MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, > but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement > Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does > not use Qt widgets. > > I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first > language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many > languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, > if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things > that could be improved if there is interest. > > Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. > > Regards, > Helen > From pvdeejay at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 22:39:46 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:39:46 +0100 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> Message-ID: <50D636B2.5050805@gmail.com> Hello, I understand mithtv is full solution but writing qt accessibility support is going to be damn complicated. It is a huge codebase and no one has ever considered accessibility before. I would be happy if something like this existed but I think it is not a project for a few open-source developers developing in their spare time. BTW do you know projects such as gnome dvb daemon or tvheadent? These dont implement user interface and perfecting and / or writing a totem plugin for these would be avesome as well. Those apps can be setup without eye sight even now however gnome dvb daemon is somewhat buggy and not used frequently and tvheadent is stable, has web based interface. There is excelent fully accessible client for Android for it. So maybe oneday someone will like to create accessible client app for linux as well. Greetings Peter On 22. 12. 2012 22:45, faginbagin wrote: > I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind > and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital > video recorder). > > Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ > It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution > customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ > > More details about Mythspeech can be found here: > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech > > Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: > "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life > so much easier!" > > How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring > example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration > of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family > member who can help with this step. > > I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in > accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on > MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but > I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's > accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use > Qt widgets. > > I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first > language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, > and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are > supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be > improved if there is interest. > > Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. > > Regards, > Helen > From hanksmith at hanksmith.net Sat Dec 22 23:00:57 2012 From: hanksmith at hanksmith.net (Hank Smith) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:00:57 -0700 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D636B2.5050805@gmail.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D636B2.5050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D63BA9.2010900@hanksmith.net> wasn't it written in qt to begin with? if so why can't they just inable accessibility? or would that involve writing intire code to impl;iment qt accessibility? thanks Hank On 12/22/2012 3:39 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > I understand mithtv is full solution but writing qt accessibility > support is going to be damn complicated. It is a huge codebase and no > one has ever considered accessibility before. > I would be happy if something like this existed but I think it is not > a project for a few open-source developers developing in their spare > time. > > BTW do you know projects such as gnome dvb daemon or tvheadent? These > dont implement user interface and perfecting and / or writing a totem > plugin for these would be avesome as well. Those apps can be setup > without eye sight even now however gnome dvb daemon is somewhat buggy > and not used frequently and tvheadent is stable, has web based > interface. There is excelent fully accessible client for Android for > it. So maybe oneday someone will like to create accessible client app > for linux as well. > > Greetings > > Peter > > > > On 22. 12. 2012 22:45, faginbagin wrote: >> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind >> and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital >> video recorder). >> >> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution >> customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >> >> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: >> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >> >> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life >> so much easier!" >> >> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring >> example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration >> of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family >> member who can help with this step. >> >> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in >> accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on >> MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but >> I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's >> accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use >> Qt widgets. >> >> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first >> language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, >> and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are >> supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be >> improved if there is interest. >> >> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >> >> Regards, >> Helen >> > From mythtv at hbuus.com Sat Dec 22 23:35:44 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:35:44 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D62FE2.60008@hanksmith.net> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D62FE2.60008@hanksmith.net> Message-ID: <50D643D0.6080200@hbuus.com> Hi Hank, Would that be through the ubuntu-accessibility-devel list? I looked through the archives for that list and it seems pretty quiet. There are occasional posts by people asking questions, but no replies. That's why I haven't joined and posted there. If you have other suggestions, I welcome them. Helen On 12/22/2012 05:10 PM, Hank Smith wrote: > please try to reach out to the developers. this program I am also told is one of the better tv sulutions for linux. > Hank > On 12/22/2012 2:45 PM, faginbagin wrote: >> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). >> >> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >> >> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >> >> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" >> >> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. >> >> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. >> >> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. >> >> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >> >> Regards, >> Helen >> > From mythtv at hbuus.com Sat Dec 22 23:36:12 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:36:12 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D6309A.5030003@gmail.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D6309A.5030003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D643EC.5070107@hbuus.com> Hi B.H. No it doesn't have a CLI to speak of, although there are a number of command line utilities and there is support for a "frontend control socket" (see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.5). There is also a web interface called mythweb where you can browse program listings, manage recordings, and some limited configuration after you've done most of the setup/configuration in mythtv-setup. HTH, Helen On 12/22/2012 05:13 PM, B. Henry wrote: > > does this software have a CLI, or is this only interacted with via the qt interface? > I am a native English speaker, but speak more Spanish than English these days, for some years now, so perhaps I could be of some assistance. > I don't currently have a version of Ubuntu that allows the use of the latest Orca and thus QT however. This will be changing soon, but for now I'm using a combination of 10.04 and 11.04 and xdesktop orca. > Sounds very interesting, and I'll for sure be giving this a try when possible. > -- > Regards, > B.H. > > > > On 12/22/2012 03:45 PM, faginbagin wrote: >> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). >> >> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >> >> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >> >> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" >> >> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. >> >> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. >> >> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. >> >> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >> >> Regards, >> Helen >> > From mythtv at hbuus.com Sat Dec 22 23:36:35 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:36:35 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D63257.8050905@hanksmith.net> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D62FE2.60008@hanksmith.net> <50D631C7.6090700@hbuus.com> <50D63257.8050905@hanksmith.net> Message-ID: <50D64403.6030606@hbuus.com> Mythspeech is a result of posts on both the mythtv-users and the mythtv-dev mailing lists: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/524971 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/530199 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/525790 There was no response on the mythtv-dev list. Helen On 12/22/2012 05:21 PM, Hank Smith wrote: > the mytv team directly. > I to am on both ubuntu lists and they are pritty quiet. > hth > Hank > > On 12/22/2012 3:18 PM, faginbagin wrote: >> Hi Hank, >> >> Would that be through the ubuntu-accessibility-devel list? I looked through the archives for that list and it seems pretty quiet. There are occasional posts by people asking questions, but no replies. That's why I haven't joined and posted there. If you have other suggestions, I welcome them. >> >> Helen >> >> On 12/22/2012 05:10 PM, Hank Smith wrote: >>> please try to reach out to the developers. this program I am also told is one of the better tv sulutions for linux. >>> Hank >>> On 12/22/2012 2:45 PM, faginbagin wrote: >>>> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). >>>> >>>> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >>>> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >>>> >>>> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >>>> >>>> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >>>> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" >>>> >>>> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. >>>> >>>> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. >>>> >>>> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. >>>> >>>> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Helen >>>> >>> >> > From mythtv at hbuus.com Sat Dec 22 23:36:52 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:36:52 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D636B2.5050805@gmail.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D636B2.5050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D64414.2050304@hbuus.com> On 12/22/2012 05:39 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > I understand mithtv is full solution but writing qt accessibility support is going to be damn complicated. It is a huge codebase and no one has ever considered accessibility before. > I would be happy if something like this existed but I think it is not a project for a few open-source developers developing in their spare time. The problem I have is: will it be more complicated, and more kludgy than trying to extend what I've done by building on MythTV's support for LCD displays? All of MythTV's user interface objects are subclasses of a base MythUI class, and there aren't that many subclasses. I think an approach based on Qt accessibility is doable. FWIW, I'm retired and I used to be a pretty good developer, so I think I have the ability and the time to make MythTV accessible to those with no or poor vision. Another problem I have, before investing more time and effort, is whether the mythtv devs would be likely to accept my work into the mainline source code. For that, I think I need to demonstrate there's a "market" for talking mythtv. That's why I joined this list. Although mythspeech is not a complete solution, it is a starting point and I would love it if I could recruit some more users. > BTW do you know projects such as gnome dvb daemon or tvheadent? These dont implement user interface and perfecting and / or writing a totem plugin for these would be avesome as well. Those apps can be setup without eye sight even now however gnome dvb daemon is somewhat buggy and not used frequently and tvheadent is stable, has web based interface. There is excelent fully accessible client for Android for it. So maybe oneday someone will like to create accessible client app for linux as well. No, I am not familiar with those. I am a MythTV user, and a retired developer, looking for ways to combine my interests and my skills. I'm not so sure I'm ready to learn about projects that do less (from my perspective) than MythTV. > Greetings > > Peter > > > > On 22. 12. 2012 22:45, faginbagin wrote: >> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind >> and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital >> video recorder). >> >> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution >> customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >> >> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: >> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >> >> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life >> so much easier!" >> >> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring >> example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration >> of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family >> member who can help with this step. >> >> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in >> accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on >> MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but >> I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's >> accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use >> Qt widgets. >> >> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first >> language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, >> and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are >> supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be >> improved if there is interest. >> >> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >> >> Regards, >> Helen >> From mythtv at hbuus.com Sat Dec 22 23:37:10 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:37:10 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D63BA9.2010900@hanksmith.net> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D636B2.5050805@gmail.com> <50D63BA9.2010900@hanksmith.net> Message-ID: <50D64426.8050606@hbuus.com> On 12/22/2012 06:00 PM, Hank Smith wrote: > wasn't it written in qt to begin with? > if so why can't they just inable accessibility? or would that involve writing intire code to impl;iment qt accessibility? Yes, it was written in Qt. However MythTV's user interface objects are not subclassed from Qt's widgets, so you can't take advantage of Qt's accessibily without changing MythTV's source. FWIW, the MythTV devs chose not to use QT widgets because they were designed for a 2 foot user interace, while MythTV is designed for an average 10 foot user interface. > thanks > Hank > On 12/22/2012 3:39 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: >> Hello, >> I understand mithtv is full solution but writing qt accessibility support is going to be damn complicated. It is a huge codebase and no one has ever considered accessibility before. >> I would be happy if something like this existed but I think it is not a project for a few open-source developers developing in their spare time. >> >> BTW do you know projects such as gnome dvb daemon or tvheadent? These dont implement user interface and perfecting and / or writing a totem plugin for these would be avesome as well. Those apps can be setup without eye sight even now however gnome dvb daemon is somewhat buggy and not used frequently and tvheadent is stable, has web based interface. There is excelent fully accessible client for Android for it. So maybe oneday someone will like to create accessible client app for linux as well. >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> On 22. 12. 2012 22:45, faginbagin wrote: >>> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind >>> and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital >>> video recorder). >>> >>> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >>> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution >>> customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >>> >>> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: >>> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >>> >>> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >>> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life >>> so much easier!" >>> >>> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring >>> example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration >>> of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family >>> member who can help with this step. >>> >>> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in >>> accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on >>> MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but >>> I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's >>> accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use >>> Qt widgets. >>> >>> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first >>> language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, >>> and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are >>> supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be >>> improved if there is interest. >>> >>> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Helen >>> >> > From mythtv at hbuus.com Sat Dec 22 23:38:42 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:38:42 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> Message-ID: <50D64482.9070301@hbuus.com> Hi All, I just realized that my replies to those who have responded have been private, which was not what I intended. So, I am about to re-send those to the list. My apologies in advance to those who are about to see duplicate messages. Helen From mythtv at hbuus.com Sat Dec 22 23:40:08 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:40:08 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D6309A.5030003@gmail.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D6309A.5030003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D644D8.6040201@hbuus.com> Hi B.H. (an anyone else using an older distribution) If there's interest, I can see what it would take to get mythspeech working on 10.04. As it happens, my "production" MythTV environment consists of machines running 10.04 and 10.10 (for TV tuners that needed a newer kernel), with MythTV 0.23. Regards, Helen P.S. Time to sign off until tomorrow. On 12/22/2012 05:13 PM, B. Henry wrote: > > does this software have a CLI, or is this only interacted with via the qt interface? > I am a native English speaker, but speak more Spanish than English these days, for some years now, so perhaps I could be of some assistance. > I don't currently have a version of Ubuntu that allows the use of the latest Orca and thus QT however. This will be changing soon, but for now I'm using a combination of 10.04 and 11.04 and xdesktop orca. > Sounds very interesting, and I'll for sure be giving this a try when possible. > -- > Regards, > B.H. > > > > On 12/22/2012 03:45 PM, faginbagin wrote: >> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). >> >> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >> >> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >> >> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" >> >> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. >> >> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. >> >> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. >> >> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >> >> Regards, >> Helen >> > From pvdeejay at gmail.com Sun Dec 23 09:07:20 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:07:20 +0100 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D64414.2050304@hbuus.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D636B2.5050805@gmail.com> <50D64414.2050304@hbuus.com> Message-ID: <50D6C9C8.3010109@gmail.com> Hello, I am in however I have no one to ask for help while setting it up so I am afraid I am not going to be usefull for quite sometime. I am interested in accessible tv solution for linux so no mather what turns out promising I will start using it. Greetings Peter On 23. 12. 2012 0:36, faginbagin wrote: > On 12/22/2012 05:39 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: >> Hello, >> I understand mithtv is full solution but writing qt accessibility >> support is going to be damn complicated. It is a huge codebase and no >> one has ever considered accessibility before. >> I would be happy if something like this existed but I think it is not >> a project for a few open-source developers developing in their spare >> time. > > The problem I have is: will it be more complicated, and more kludgy than > trying to extend what I've done by building on MythTV's support for LCD > displays? All of MythTV's user interface objects are subclasses of a > base MythUI class, and there aren't that many subclasses. I think an > approach based on Qt accessibility is doable. > > FWIW, I'm retired and I used to be a pretty good developer, so I think I > have the ability and the time to make MythTV accessible to those with no > or poor vision. > > Another problem I have, before investing more time and effort, is > whether the mythtv devs would be likely to accept my work into the > mainline source code. For that, I think I need to demonstrate there's a > "market" for talking mythtv. That's why I joined this list. Although > mythspeech is not a complete solution, it is a starting point and I > would love it if I could recruit some more users. > >> BTW do you know projects such as gnome dvb daemon or tvheadent? These >> dont implement user interface and perfecting and / or writing a totem >> plugin for these would be avesome as well. Those apps can be setup >> without eye sight even now however gnome dvb daemon is somewhat buggy >> and not used frequently and tvheadent is stable, has web based >> interface. There is excelent fully accessible client for Android for >> it. So maybe oneday someone will like to create accessible client app >> for linux as well. > > No, I am not familiar with those. I am a MythTV user, and a retired > developer, looking for ways to combine my interests and my skills. I'm > not so sure I'm ready to learn about projects that do less (from my > perspective) than MythTV. > >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> On 22. 12. 2012 22:45, faginbagin wrote: >>> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind >>> and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital >>> video recorder). >>> >>> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >>> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution >>> customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >>> >>> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: >>> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >>> >>> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >>> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life >>> so much easier!" >>> >>> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring >>> example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration >>> of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family >>> member who can help with this step. >>> >>> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in >>> accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on >>> MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but >>> I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's >>> accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use >>> Qt widgets. >>> >>> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first >>> language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, >>> and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are >>> supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be >>> improved if there is interest. >>> >>> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Helen >>> > > From alanbell at ubuntu.com Sun Dec 23 16:42:43 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:42:43 +0000 Subject: Ringtail accessibility (from actually testing it) In-Reply-To: <50D53E85.7050000@gmail.com> References: <50D49B4B.1090507@thewordnerd.info> <20121221103241.285329cf@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4C1D2.9090400@thewordnerd.info> <20121221133859.499d923c@teamcharliesangels.com> <50D4CAAA.4040108@thewordnerd.info> <001e01cddff9$1ec7be30$5c573a90$@gmail.com> <50D53E85.7050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D73483.9080207@ubuntu.com> I installed Ringtail yesterday from the daily iso image, I took a video while doing it but I need to edit that down before posting it. Once you have a computer that will boot from USB (bit of fiddling in the bios with no audio available) it boots to a grub menu. First option is to run the desktop, second option is to install ubuntu, so cursor down and enter after booting. After the drums, wait a couple of seconds then press ctrl+s to start orca Alt-tab doesn't work to get to the ubiquity window, so you have to use a mouse. The mouse cursor starts out in the center of the screen and is in the right place, so you just have to make a left mouse button click happen to move focus to ubiquity. Once in ubiquity it works as before. I would strongly recommend being plugged in to wired internet for the installation process - connecting to wifi is challenging (and might not work depending on your wifi card) and if you are not connected to the internet it won't correctly guess your location, timezone and keyboard preferences and will assume you are in New York, USA with a US keyboard layout. Apart from that I could proceed through the ubiquity screens to the end, restart and boot into a desktop with orca running. First time I did it the unity dash spoke the button names for applications, but since then it has been silent. The launcher speaks OK and other applications work as before. So the regressions are - starts with a grub menu (this is probably temporary) - no alt-tab at the start of ubiquity, you need a mouse click. the rest is the same bugs as before as far as I can tell. Alan. From mythtv at hbuus.com Sun Dec 23 19:06:15 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:06:15 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D6BDB5.6080309@gmail.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D6309A.5030003@gmail.com> <50D63FE2.5080406@hbuus.com> <50D6BDB5.6080309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D75627.1090509@hbuus.com> Hi B.H. The current implementation of mythspeech doesn't depend on Qt or Orca. It does depend on speech-dispatcher, it's library libspeechd, and a speech synthesizer, e.g. espeak or festival. The versions provided on precise 12.04 is 0.7.1 for speech-dispatcher/libspeechd and 1.46.02 for espeak. The versions provided on lucid 10.04 is 0.6.8 for speech-dispatcher/libspeechd and 1.43.03 for espeak. The lucid 10.04 version might be "good enough" to support mythspeech. I see that the latest version of Vinux, 3.0.2, is based on Ubuntu 10.04.4. I believe that also means Vinux uses the Ubuntu 10.04 repositories. So, if you install mythtv 0.23 on Vinux, I should be able to provide a mythspeech that will work on Vinux without you needing to compile anything from source. If there's at least one person who would be willing to install and configure MythTV 0.23 and test mythspeech on either Vinux 3.0.2 or Ubuntu/Mythbuntu 10.04 or 10.10, I'd be happy to see if I can backport mythspeech. Regards, Helen On 12/23/2012 03:15 AM, B. Henry wrote: > The problem, with these older releases is that the later orca releases only run on unity, and I think really only 12.04 and to a point 11.10 work well enough to be viable. The reason then later orca versions are needed are so that some QT support is available. > I know nothing about the details of what QT programs work and which don't. GTK+ is pretty much what Orca worked with until about a year ago. > I'll post your original post as well as these replies to a couple other lists and perhaps get up more interest. > I'm going to sleep right now, but I'll get off a few e-mails tomorrow. > The Vinux list is an especially good place as there are over 300 blind and low vision subscribers, and while many are mixed OS-users, others like myself use Linux as their primary or only OS. > Vinux is basically just Ubuntu with some special tweaks, some settings preconfigured to be more speech and magnifier friendly and some extra scripts and different software choices again to make things work as well out of the box for blind and low vision folk. > Then there's a private list for some blind Linux students and another small googlegroup/mailing list for folks interested in open-source and accessibility. > Hopefully between these lists and my twitter and facebook contacts I can find some other interested people. > Thanks again, and I will be in touch. > > > On 12/22/2012 05:18 PM, faginbagin wrote: >> Hi B.H. (an anyone else using an older distribution) >> >> If there's interest, I can see what it would take to get mythspeech working on 10.04. As it happens, my "production" MythTV environment consists of machines running 10.04 and 10.10 (for TV tuners that needed a newer kernel), with MythTV 0.23. >> >> Regards, >> Helen >> >> P.S. Time to sign off until tomorrow. >> >> On 12/22/2012 05:13 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>> >>> does this software have a CLI, or is this only interacted with via the qt interface? >>> I am a native English speaker, but speak more Spanish than English these days, for some years now, so perhaps I could be of some assistance. >>> I don't currently have a version of Ubuntu that allows the use of the latest Orca and thus QT however. This will be changing soon, but for now I'm using a combination of 10.04 and 11.04 and xdesktop orca. >>> Sounds very interesting, and I'll for sure be giving this a try when possible. >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> B.H. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/22/2012 03:45 PM, faginbagin wrote: >>>> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). >>>> >>>> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >>>> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >>>> >>>> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >>>> >>>> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >>>> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" >>>> >>>> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. >>>> >>>> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. >>>> >>>> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. >>>> >>>> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Helen >>>> >>> >> > From mythtv at hbuus.com Sun Dec 23 19:11:05 2012 From: mythtv at hbuus.com (faginbagin) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:11:05 -0500 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D6BDB5.6080309@gmail.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D6309A.5030003@gmail.com> <50D63FE2.5080406@hbuus.com> <50D6BDB5.6080309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D75749.9090605@hbuus.com> I would love to know if there's one mailing list that would allow me to reach the widest audience. I don't know if I'm up to joining ten different lists. For what it's worth, last night, Ron Whyte (aka Fudge) set up an IRC channel, #MythSpeech, on irc.freenode.net. I'm there now and expect to be whenever I'm online, so maybe that's a good place to direct people interested in this subject? Regards, Helen On 12/23/2012 03:15 AM, B. Henry wrote: > The problem, with these older releases is that the later orca releases only run on unity, and I think really only 12.04 and to a point 11.10 work well enough to be viable. The reason then later orca versions are needed are so that some QT support is available. > I know nothing about the details of what QT programs work and which don't. GTK+ is pretty much what Orca worked with until about a year ago. > I'll post your original post as well as these replies to a couple other lists and perhaps get up more interest. > I'm going to sleep right now, but I'll get off a few e-mails tomorrow. > The Vinux list is an especially good place as there are over 300 blind and low vision subscribers, and while many are mixed OS-users, others like myself use Linux as their primary or only OS. > Vinux is basically just Ubuntu with some special tweaks, some settings preconfigured to be more speech and magnifier friendly and some extra scripts and different software choices again to make things work as well out of the box for blind and low vision folk. > Then there's a private list for some blind Linux students and another small googlegroup/mailing list for folks interested in open-source and accessibility. > Hopefully between these lists and my twitter and facebook contacts I can find some other interested people. > Thanks again, and I will be in touch. > > > On 12/22/2012 05:18 PM, faginbagin wrote: >> Hi B.H. (an anyone else using an older distribution) >> >> If there's interest, I can see what it would take to get mythspeech working on 10.04. As it happens, my "production" MythTV environment consists of machines running 10.04 and 10.10 (for TV tuners that needed a newer kernel), with MythTV 0.23. >> >> Regards, >> Helen >> >> P.S. Time to sign off until tomorrow. >> >> On 12/22/2012 05:13 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>> >>> does this software have a CLI, or is this only interacted with via the qt interface? >>> I am a native English speaker, but speak more Spanish than English these days, for some years now, so perhaps I could be of some assistance. >>> I don't currently have a version of Ubuntu that allows the use of the latest Orca and thus QT however. This will be changing soon, but for now I'm using a combination of 10.04 and 11.04 and xdesktop orca. >>> Sounds very interesting, and I'll for sure be giving this a try when possible. >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> B.H. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/22/2012 03:45 PM, faginbagin wrote: >>>> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR (digital video recorder). >>>> >>>> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >>>> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >>>> >>>> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >>>> >>>> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >>>> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her life so much easier!" >>>> >>>> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a friend or family member who can help with this step. >>>> >>>> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, but it does not use Qt widgets. >>>> >>>> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there are some things that could be improved if there is interest. >>>> >>>> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Helen >>>> >>> >> > From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 01:11:56 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:11:56 -0800 Subject: Mythspeech - mythtv for blind/visually impaired In-Reply-To: <50D75749.9090605@hbuus.com> References: <50D62A0A.9020208@hbuus.com> <50D6309A.5030003@gmail.com> <50D63FE2.5080406@hbuus.com> <50D6BDB5.6080309@gmail.com> <50D75749.9090605@hbuus.com> Message-ID: <50DCF1DC.5000904@gmail.com> Hello, Helen. This would probably be off-topic for the Orca list, but the AccessibleFreedom Support list may be a good place to start. Here is the Info Page for this list: http://gator1140.hostgator.com/mailman/listinfo/support_accessiblefreedom.org I hope that this is helpful to you. On 12/23/2012 11:11 AM, faginbagin wrote: > I would love to know if there's one mailing list that would allow me > to reach the widest audience. I don't know if I'm up to joining ten > different lists. > > For what it's worth, last night, Ron Whyte (aka Fudge) set up an IRC > channel, #MythSpeech, on irc.freenode.net. I'm there now and expect to > be whenever I'm online, so maybe that's a good place to direct people > interested in this subject? > > Regards, > Helen > > On 12/23/2012 03:15 AM, B. Henry wrote: >> The problem, with these older releases is that the later orca >> releases only run on unity, and I think really only 12.04 and to a >> point 11.10 work well enough to be viable. The reason then later orca >> versions are needed are so that some QT support is available. >> I know nothing about the details of what QT programs work and which >> don't. GTK+ is pretty much what Orca worked with until about a year ago. >> I'll post your original post as well as these replies to a couple >> other lists and perhaps get up more interest. >> I'm going to sleep right now, but I'll get off a few e-mails tomorrow. >> The Vinux list is an especially good place as there are over 300 >> blind and low vision subscribers, and while many are mixed OS-users, >> others like myself use Linux as their primary or only OS. >> Vinux is basically just Ubuntu with some special tweaks, some >> settings preconfigured to be more speech and magnifier friendly and >> some extra scripts and different software choices again to make >> things work as well out of the box for blind and low vision folk. >> Then there's a private list for some blind Linux students and another >> small googlegroup/mailing list for folks interested in open-source >> and accessibility. >> Hopefully between these lists and my twitter and facebook contacts I >> can find some other interested people. >> Thanks again, and I will be in touch. >> >> >> On 12/22/2012 05:18 PM, faginbagin wrote: >>> Hi B.H. (an anyone else using an older distribution) >>> >>> If there's interest, I can see what it would take to get mythspeech >>> working on 10.04. As it happens, my "production" MythTV environment >>> consists of machines running 10.04 and 10.10 (for TV tuners that >>> needed a newer kernel), with MythTV 0.23. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Helen >>> >>> P.S. Time to sign off until tomorrow. >>> >>> On 12/22/2012 05:13 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>>> >>>> does this software have a CLI, or is this only interacted with via >>>> the qt interface? >>>> I am a native English speaker, but speak more Spanish than English >>>> these days, for some years now, so perhaps I could be of some >>>> assistance. >>>> I don't currently have a version of Ubuntu that allows the use of >>>> the latest Orca and thus QT however. This will be changing soon, >>>> but for now I'm using a combination of 10.04 and 11.04 and xdesktop >>>> orca. >>>> Sounds very interesting, and I'll for sure be giving this a try >>>> when possible. >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> B.H. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/22/2012 03:45 PM, faginbagin wrote: >>>>> I'd like to announce Mythspeech, which makes it easier for the >>>>> blind and/or visually impaired to use MythTV, an open source DVR >>>>> (digital video recorder). >>>>> >>>>> Information about MythTV can be found here: http://www.mythtv.org/ >>>>> It is supported by Ubuntu and there is a Ubuntu based distribution >>>>> customized specifically for MythTV, Mythbuntu: >>>>> http://www.mythbuntu.org/ >>>>> >>>>> More details about Mythspeech can be found here: >>>>> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythSpeech >>>>> >>>>> Mythspeech is not a perfect solution, but I'm told by one user: >>>>> "Maria is VERY happy with her talking MythTV, and it has made her >>>>> life so much easier!" >>>>> >>>>> How imperfect is the current implementation of mythspeech? One >>>>> glaring example is that it cannot help with the initial setup and >>>>> configuration of MythTV. I think you will need some vision or a >>>>> friend or family member who can help with this step. >>>>> >>>>> I would very much like to talk to developers with experience in >>>>> accessibility. The current implementation of Mythspeech builds on >>>>> MythTV's support for LCD displays and uses speech-dispatcher's >>>>> API, but I'm thinking a better long term approach might be to >>>>> implement Qt's accessibility classes. MythTV is a Qt application, >>>>> but it does not use Qt widgets. >>>>> >>>>> I would also like to know if there are interested users whose >>>>> first language is not English. MythTV has been translated into >>>>> many languages, and mythspeech should be able to speak in those >>>>> languages, if they are supported by speech-dispatcher. But there >>>>> are some things that could be improved if there is interest. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, I welcome any and all feedback, bug reports, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Helen >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >