From sath.linux at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 14:01:44 2012 From: sath.linux at gmail.com (sathayn linux) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:31:44 +0530 Subject: LINUX-INTELLIGENT-OCR-SOLUTION 1.0 RELEASED FROM EASY-OCR-DEVELOPMENT-TEAM Message-ID: *Dear list, We easy-ocr development team is here with the new year gift for the community. We have released lios linux intelligent ocr solution today. It is now written in python and can be easily installed in all the vinux versions. We have tried our maximum to make it a perfect edition. still due to limited resource and man power, you may find some drawbacks. please report it immediately. feedback is the key to further development.. Features 1 Single scan & Repeated Scanning, 2 Scan images from folder or Pdf, 3 Full GUI environment, 4 Brightness optimizer, 5 Audio converter, 6 Easily Accessible Preference Window, 7 5 OCR Engines (OCROPUS,CUNEIFORM,TESSERACT,GOCR,OCRAD), 8 Good text manipulation with Find, Go-To-Page, Append file, Punch File. 9 Low vision support in the tools menu, 10 Dictionary Support for english(Artha) 11 And more features are in the preferences. How to start using lios. Download deb file from here http://easy-ocr.googlecode.com/files/easy-ocr-4.0.deb open it and install after installing the software open lios in graphics menu. press control p to go to preferences. now you can set the following options. 1 Number of pages to be scanned at a stretch (For repeated scanning), 2 Time between repeated scanning, 3 Scan Resolution, 4 Scan brightness or threshold, 5 Language, 6 Engine, 7 Starting page number, 8 Page numbering mode, 9 Mode of Rotation, 10 Scan Area. then after Applying the settings. press control f9 to start repeated scanning or f9 to start single scan. Now you can press add button to listen with orca screen reader as usual. We have given facility to produce text from PDF PNG pnm JPG JPEG TIF tiff formats. also we can convert text in to audio files using audio converter in tools menu. expecting your feedback. nalin4linux77 at gmail.com and sath.linux at gmail.com * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sath.linux at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 14:41:59 2012 From: sath.linux at gmail.com (sathayn linux) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:11:59 +0530 Subject: MISTAKEN IN LINUX-INTELLIGENT-OCR-SOLUTION LINK GIVEN IN THE EARLIER MAIL Message-ID: *Dear list, We are extremely sorry that the link for downloading LINUX-INTELLIGENT-OCR-SOLUTION is mistaken the exact link is as follows http://linux-intelligent-ocr-solution.googlecode.com/files/lios-1.0.deb We easy-ocr development team is here with the new year gift for the community. We have released lios linux intelligent ocr solution today. It is now written in python and can be easily installed in all the vinux versions. We have tried our maximum to make it a perfect edition. still due to limited resource and man power, you may find some drawbacks. please report it immediately. feedback is the key to further development.. Features 1 Single scan & Repeated Scanning, 2 Scan images from folder or Pdf, 3 Full GUI environment, 4 Brightness optimizer, 5 Audio converter, 6 Easily Accessible Preference Window, 7 5 OCR Engines (OCROPUS,CUNEIFORM,TESSERACT,GOCR,OCRAD), 8 Good text manipulation with Find, Go-To-Page, Append file, Punch File. 9 Low vision support in the tools menu, 10 Dictionary Support for english(Artha) 11 And more features are in the preferences. How to start using lios. Download deb file from here http://linux-intelligent-ocr-solution.googlecode.com/files/lios-1.0.debopen it and install after installing the software open lios in graphics menu. press control p to go to preferences. now you can set the following options. 1 Number of pages to be scanned at a stretch (For repeated scanning), 2 Time between repeated scanning, 3 Scan Resolution, 4 Scan brightness or threshold, 5 Language, 6 Engine, 7 Starting page number, 8 Page numbering mode, 9 Mode of Rotation, 10 Scan Area. then after Applying the settings. press control f9 to start repeated scanning or f9 to start single scan. Now you can press add button to listen with orca screen reader as usual. We have given facility to produce text from PDF PNG pnm JPG JPEG TIF tiff formats. also we can convert text in to audio files using audio converter in tools menu. expecting your feedback. nalin4linux77 at gmail.com and sath.linux at gmail.com * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 23:38:53 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:38:53 -0500 Subject: OT: Preferred Applications? Message-ID: <4F02400D.706@gmail.com> Hi, I have somehow managed to break the default email client setting in Ubuntu 11.10. In Gnome Control Center, I find, under 'system info', the setting for default web browser, image viewer, music player, and video viewer. Documentation suggests that email client should be another of these configurable settings. I think the trouble started when I updated Evolution from Proposed (don't do this), and rolled Thunderbird back to 3.1, for better accessibility with Orca. My keyboard shortcut 'ctrl+alt+m' now does nothing. Is there a cli command or can I edit a text file to fix this? Thanks, Dave lHunt From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Mon Jan 2 23:45:24 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:45:24 +0000 Subject: OT: Preferred Applications? In-Reply-To: <4F02400D.706@gmail.com> References: <4F02400D.706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F024194.6080307@virginmedia.com> If you go to Edit menu > Preferences > Advanced > General tab, there is a setting to make Thunderbird check whether or not it is the default email client. Paul On 02/01/12 23:38, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I have somehow managed to break the default email client setting in > Ubuntu 11.10. In Gnome Control Center, I find, under 'system info', > the setting for default web browser, image viewer, music player, and > video viewer. Documentation suggests that email client should be > another of these configurable settings. > > I think the trouble started when I updated Evolution from Proposed > (don't do this), and rolled Thunderbird back to 3.1, for better > accessibility with Orca. My keyboard shortcut 'ctrl+alt+m' now does > nothing. Is there a cli command or can I edit a text file to fix this? > > > Thanks, > > > Dave lHunt > > > From janina at rednote.net Tue Jan 3 16:50:32 2012 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:50:32 -0500 Subject: [orca-list] MISTAKEN IN LINUX-INTELLIGENT-OCR-SOLUTION LINK GIVEN IN THE EARLIER MAIL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120103165026.GB12043@sonata.rednote.net> sathayn linux writes: > *Dear list, > We are extremely sorry that the link for downloading > LINUX-INTELLIGENT-OCR-SOLUTION is mistaken the exact link is as follows > http://linux-intelligent-ocr-solution.googlecode.com/files/lios-1.0.deb > And the source code? > We easy-ocr development team is here with the new year gift for the > community. We have released lios linux intelligent ocr solution today. It > is now written in python and can be easily installed in all the vinux > versions. We have tried our maximum to make it a perfect edition. still due > to limited resource and man power, you may find some drawbacks. please > report it immediately. feedback is the key to further development.. > > Features > > 1 Single scan & Repeated Scanning, > 2 Scan images from folder or Pdf, > 3 Full GUI environment, > 4 Brightness optimizer, > 5 Audio converter, > 6 Easily Accessible Preference Window, > 7 5 OCR Engines (OCROPUS,CUNEIFORM,TESSERACT,GOCR,OCRAD), > 8 Good text manipulation with Find, Go-To-Page, Append file, Punch File. > 9 Low vision support in the tools menu, > 10 Dictionary Support for english(Artha) > 11 And more features are in the preferences. > > How to start using lios. > > Download deb file from here > http://linux-intelligent-ocr-solution.googlecode.com/files/lios-1.0.debopen > it and install > > after installing the software open lios in graphics menu. press control p > to go to preferences. now you can set the following options. > 1 Number of pages to be scanned at a stretch (For repeated scanning), > 2 Time between repeated scanning, > 3 Scan Resolution, > 4 Scan brightness or threshold, > 5 Language, > 6 Engine, > 7 Starting page number, > 8 Page numbering mode, > 9 Mode of Rotation, > 10 Scan Area. > then after Applying the settings. > press control f9 to start repeated scanning or f9 to start single scan. > Now you can press add button to listen with orca screen reader as usual. > We have given facility to produce text from PDF PNG pnm JPG JPEG TIF tiff > formats. > also we can convert text in to audio files using audio converter in tools > menu. > expecting your feedback. nalin4linux77 at gmail.com and sath.linux at gmail.com > * > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina at asterisk.rednote.net Chair, Open Accessibility janina at a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org Chair, Protocols & Formats Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) From ka1cey at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 19:44:09 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:44:09 -0500 Subject: Slow startup of Rythmbox in 11.10, when Music folder populated and Orca screen reader used Message-ID: <4F074F09.2070608@gmail.com> Hi, all! My ~/Music folder now has about 1300 items. When I start Rhythmbox, there is a long (over 15 minutes) period in which this program is unresponsive, as if the collection database is rebuilt on every start. If I don't minimize the window soon enough, my entire x session is locked until this Rhythmbox is ready. With an empty ~/Music, the program starts soon enough. I've toggled the 'watch folder for changed' preference, with no apparent effect. This slow startup of Rhythmbox did not happen in earlier versions of Ubuntu. In case it makes a difference, I'm using the Gnome fallback position for my display. I can try both versions of Unity, if it may make a difference. Annoyed, Dave Hunt From ka1cey at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 23:38:37 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:38:37 -0500 Subject: [ubuntu-us-ma] Slow startup of Rythmbox in 11.10, when Music folder populated and Orca screen reader used In-Reply-To: <1325892786.31262.5.camel@delen> References: <4F074F09.2070608@gmail.com> <1325892786.31262.5.camel@delen> Message-ID: <4F0785FD.6070905@gmail.com> Not sure what I did; Rhythmbox used to open within 30 seconds. While this thing is opening and doing whatever it does, the x session is unusable and the machine's fan races. Banshee imported these tunes within a minute. Thanks, D. H. On 01/06/2012 06:33 PM, Martin Owens wrote: > Hey Dave, > > that sounds serious, you need to get in touch with the rhythembox > developers. My rhythembox has 5,200 entries and takes less than 20 > seconds to load. > > Martin, > > On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 14:44 -0500, Dave Hunt wrote: >> In case it makes a difference, I'm using the Gnome fallback position >> for >> my display. I can try both versions of Unity, if it may make a >> difference. > From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 02:39:35 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:39:35 -0500 Subject: [ubuntu-us-ma] Slow startup of Rythmbox in 11.10, when Music folder populated and Orca screen reader used In-Reply-To: <1325900864.2383.0.camel@delen> References: <4F074F09.2070608@gmail.com> <1325892786.31262.5.camel@delen> <4F0785FD.6070905@gmail.com> <1325900864.2383.0.camel@delen> Message-ID: <4F07B067.4050003@gmail.com> Martin, I have a sense that my index isn't getting saved correctly or at all, and that it gets rebuilt with each start of Rhythmbox. Do you know where this database is kept, and what permissions it should have? Maybe it became read-only, somehow? Cheers, Dave H. On 01/06/2012 08:47 PM, Martin Owens wrote: > I just ran rhythembox in debug mode, that took about 5 minutes to load. > > Obviously something is happening that shouldn't be happening. I wonder > if it's saving your music collection to disk correctly on close. > > Martin, > > On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 18:38 -0500, Dave Hunt wrote: >> Not sure what I did; Rhythmbox used to open within 30 seconds. While >> this thing is opening and doing whatever it does, the x session is >> unusable and the machine's fan races. Banshee imported these tunes >> within a minute. > From alex.midence at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 04:36:53 2012 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:36:53 -0600 Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome In-Reply-To: <4F077C9C.4000209@gmail.com> References: <000301cccb55$0ca1a2c0$25e4e840$@gmail.com> <000001cccb59$3451dd90$9cf598b0$@gmail.com> <4F0750A4.7000000@gmail.com> <4F07538F.6030707@gmail.com> <4F077C9C.4000209@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, list, Thought I'd bring this up here and see what came of it. Any chance the now officially released version of the qt-at-spi bridge might make it into Oneiric? I imagine the crashes people have experienced with it along with many other bugs would diminish considerably if this were done. This is especially so since Oneiric essentially has an alpha or beta version in the ppa's. Thanks. Alex M On 1/6/12, Dave Hunt wrote: > An update of qt-atspi, qt, the bridge, and any dependencies of these, > would probably let Ubuntu-2d accessibility work better, not to mention > qt apps. > > > -Dave > > > > > On 01/06/2012 05:45 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> You're probably having trouble with QT apps because the version in the >> Ubuntu repositories hasn't been updated to the latest. I hope they at >> least update the qt-at-spi bridge to the official release now since >> the version they have is technically an alpha. a case could be made >> for it since the release will have fixed many bugs which has the >> effect of reducing some of the crashes. >> >> Just a thought, >> Alex M >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Jan 8 10:00:27 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:00:27 +0000 Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome In-Reply-To: References: <000301cccb55$0ca1a2c0$25e4e840$@gmail.com> <000001cccb59$3451dd90$9cf598b0$@gmail.com> <4F0750A4.7000000@gmail.com> <4F07538F.6030707@gmail.com> <4F077C9C.4000209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120108100027.GB2940@acapella.yelavich.home> On Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 04:36:53AM GMT, Alex Midence wrote: > Hi, list, > > Thought I'd bring this up here and see what came of it. Any chance > the now officially released version of the qt-at-spi bridge might make > it into Oneiric? I imagine the crashes people have experienced with > it along with many other bugs would diminish considerably if this were > done. This is especially so since Oneiric essentially has an alpha or > beta version in the ppa's. The leatest version of the QT at-spi bridge is only really useful with QT version 4.8, and QT itself is not very easy to build and set up. Precise will have the latest QT at-spi bridge, and QT 4.8. Luke From doctormo at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 23:33:06 2012 From: doctormo at gmail.com (Martin Owens) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:33:06 -0500 Subject: [ubuntu-us-ma] Slow startup of Rythmbox in 11.10, when Music folder populated and Orca screen reader used In-Reply-To: <4F074F09.2070608@gmail.com> References: <4F074F09.2070608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1325892786.31262.5.camel@delen> Hey Dave, that sounds serious, you need to get in touch with the rhythembox developers. My rhythembox has 5,200 entries and takes less than 20 seconds to load. Martin, On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 14:44 -0500, Dave Hunt wrote: > In case it makes a difference, I'm using the Gnome fallback position > for > my display. I can try both versions of Unity, if it may make a > difference. From doctormo at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 01:47:44 2012 From: doctormo at gmail.com (Martin Owens) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:47:44 -0500 Subject: [ubuntu-us-ma] Slow startup of Rythmbox in 11.10, when Music folder populated and Orca screen reader used In-Reply-To: <4F0785FD.6070905@gmail.com> References: <4F074F09.2070608@gmail.com> <1325892786.31262.5.camel@delen> <4F0785FD.6070905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1325900864.2383.0.camel@delen> I just ran rhythembox in debug mode, that took about 5 minutes to load. Obviously something is happening that shouldn't be happening. I wonder if it's saving your music collection to disk correctly on close. Martin, On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 18:38 -0500, Dave Hunt wrote: > Not sure what I did; Rhythmbox used to open within 30 seconds. While > this thing is opening and doing whatever it does, the x session is > unusable and the machine's fan races. Banshee imported these tunes > within a minute. From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 21:44:30 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 16:44:30 -0500 Subject: OT: set pcmanfm as default file manager in 11.10? Message-ID: <4F0B5FBE.7070506@gmail.com> Hi, Using 11.10 and the latest Orca from master, I find that opening a large (many folders and files) directory in Nautilus will cause the entire session to be unusable and unresponsive. Opening this same directlry in pcmanfm is a nearly instantaneous operation. When I open the gnome control center and to to the system info dialogue, on the listing of associated applications, I only see categories for web, music, video, and photos. Posts in the Ubuntu forums suggest there should be more pages, including file manager. I'd appreciate an accessible way to do this. Thanks, Dave From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 10 08:18:09 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 09:18:09 +0100 Subject: OT: set pcmanfm as default file manager in 11.10? In-Reply-To: <4F0B5FBE.7070506@gmail.com> References: <4F0B5FBE.7070506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120110081809.GA3059@acapella.yelavich.home> On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 10:44:30PM CET, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > Using 11.10 and the latest Orca from master, I find that opening a > large (many folders and files) directory in Nautilus will cause the > entire session to be unusable and unresponsive. Opening this same > directlry in pcmanfm is a nearly instantaneous operation. This is because pcmanfm is not entirely accessible. If you use the arrow keys to select a directory in the left tree view, and press F6 to switch to the individual folder/file view in the right panel, you will notice that you do not get any feedback from Orca. Unfortunately due to the way the accessibility framework works, anything that requires a lot of accessible objects to be created, such as a big website, a folder with a large amount of files in it, etc, will make the system churn a bit, because the accessibility framework has to query all those objects in the window, and get information from them for accessibility. The best we can hope for is for the performance of at-spi over dbus to be improved, something which is being looked into. Luke From alex.midence at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 23:19:27 2012 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:19:27 -0600 Subject: parting pleasantries Message-ID: Hi, List, Just wanted to drop in and say goodbye before unsubscribing. I need to reduce the amount of e-mail that comes into my inbox. I'm on quite a few lists these days and I need to pear down those which I don't frequent much or that don't really do much for me. I initially joined this list to help others with information as much as I could (like anyone else) and provide feedback on accessibility issues with Ubuntu and to stay informed on what was going on in this area with Ubuntu proper. I use Vinux which is based on this distribution when I'm not using Debian propper. I'm selecting this list for elimination, however, because my energies and attention seem better focused on the Vinux project since it's a lot more likely to have matters I specifically care about addressed more quickly there than here. For instance: Emacspeak: The Ubuntu repositories are still stuck at version 29 but the thing's up to 35 now. I don't know how many years out of date it is and response to suggestions to update it have been ignored or discounted. QT accessibility: A new release of the qt-at-spi bridge has been announced which, while I'm sure does work optimally with qt 4.8, will undoubtedly have *some* improvements with the current version of QT. There are users interested in having it in Ubuntu to improve the accessible experience to apps they wish to use and they are being made to wait a full quarter to do so. The developers of the bridge and those of QT are working hard to fix a long standing issue, have asked for people to try out their software and the user of Ubuntu itself will be unable to help in this endeavor because packages will not be made available for months in which people could be using it and providing them with feedback. Infrequent updates to at-spi2: Lots of work is being done on this package and (I could be wrong) but, it doesn't appear that the latest accessibility fixes are being brought in as they come about. This is unfortunate since this impacts the very ability to use the system for those who use technologies that rely on at-spi and who would like to benefit from the improved user experience they might enjoy with more recent copies of it made easily available. Speech in the console: Many applications are not yet usable with Orca in an efficient manner causing one to turn to Speakup, something Linus torvalds himself saw fit to put into the kernel itself but which cannot be accessed easily in Ubuntu due to the way in which sound is configured to work in Ubuntu propper and will probably be configured in it for the foreseeable future in spite of the expertise being available to make things happen to fix this situation. I'm sure there are others like musicians and such who might like to have sound work in the console in a secure fashion but who will also not be able to get this to happen unless they are prepared to run Pulse system wide or are versed in complex procedures to bring this about. This is unfortunate since Ubuntu prides itself on ease of use. All of these issues have been or are being addressed with vinux so thither shall I go and thither shall I stay. I definitely respect that a distribution has to address the needs of everyone equally and can't cater to those of a small group of people every time. However, I think that some of these issues, the at-spi2 and the qt-at-spi in particular, are fundamentally important because they impact the very ability to use the system for someone. I firmly believe those should be made available as soon as they can be to the current distribution and even backported as far as possible for the benefit of users who are still making use of prior versions of Ubuntu but who would like these enhancements to improve their user experience without the need to expend the time-consuming effort of updating their entire system. The packages in question are few and they are not very big. Why not improve their availaibility? I was under the impression that addressing this sort of thing was what this list would do but, I fear I misinterpreted its purpose. I wrote this rather lengthy e-mail in hopes that I did not mistake its reason for being and that it would serve as a reason to those who are in charge of it to reassess what direction it's heading and the value it provides to some of us. Thanks and apologies for the length of the e-mail. Alex M From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Wed Jan 11 16:45:40 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:45:40 +0000 Subject: Alt+tab and Alt+F4 suddenly not working Message-ID: <4F0DBCB4.5050901@virginmedia.com> Hey all, Using Oneiric with all the latest updates and the extra a11y PPA... I've suddenly found that the alt+tab and alt+F4 keystrokes aren't working. I can still activate menus with alt+F etc. It's not a hardware thing because if I reboot into Windows I can alt+tab and alt+F4 just fine. I'm fairly sure that the session is still unity 2D as the launcher is working as before. Please help! Paul From ka1cey at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 19:52:02 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:52:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Usb-creator-gtk Inaccessible? Message-ID: Hi, I'm using a stock build of Oneiric, and want to try the test build of Vinux-oneiric. I downloaded a cd image from cdimages.vinuxproject.org, and attempted a burn to usb, only to learn that the version of the usb creator app is not accessible, using orca. Unless there is a usb version of this iso I don't know bout, I can either burn to cd or find that Vinux usbinstall script. Thanks, Dave Hunt From kd7cyu at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 20:32:12 2012 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:32:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Usb-creator-gtk Inaccessible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a long known issue with usb-creator. It has to do with the fact that they are doing their ui on a separate thread rather than the main thread where it should be. If you do a search on the archives for the orca list you should find more information and if I recall some solutions. Tom On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using a stock build of Oneiric, and want to try the test build of > Vinux-oneiric. I downloaded a cd image from cdimages.vinuxproject.org, and > attempted a burn to usb, only to learn that the version of the usb creator > app is not accessible, using orca. Unless there is a usb version of this iso > I don't know bout, I can either burn to cd or find that Vinux usbinstall > script. > > > Thanks, > > > Dave Hunt > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From themuso at ubuntu.com Fri Jan 13 08:04:52 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:04:52 +0100 Subject: Fwd: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility & Human Factors Issues Message-ID: <20120113080452.GA3038@acapella.yelavich.home> This was sent to the dev list, and probably should really be on the main accessibility list. ----- Forwarded message from "lenscom.uk at gmail.com" ----- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:00:25 +0000 From: "lenscom.uk at gmail.com" To: ubuntu-accessibility-devel at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility & Human Factors Issues Dear All I have been using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS since it was released and have found it to be the best desktop user interface in existence. It is rich in functions and features for both novice and expert users. I believe the Ubuntu 10.04 accessibility and human interface is 1st class for every type of user. Listings of all applications are easily accessed from the top menu / launcher bar. And application icons can be added or removed just as easily. The whole system is very easy to customise However, I have recently installed version 11.10 and have been very disappointed with the inability to quickly access the range of applications without having to go through the layers of options from the menu bar. I have not yet found any way to customise the side menu / launcher bar in order that I can add my frequently used application or utilities icons and remove less frequently used applications. I am finding version 11.10 extremely frustrating and difficult to use and administer. I have recently recommended Ubuntu to friends who were thinking of purchasing new desktop and laptops. Being curious I thought I ought to try Ubuntu 11.10 to ensure I provide support to them if they wanted to try it. I am now very concerned about my recommendation and can only point them to using version 10.04 LTS until 2013 when the next LTS version is released. To improve and compete with other commercial systems I believe is right. However, to incorporate an awkward layered look and feel for accessing user applications and system utilities, I think is likely to seriously impact the take up and use of Ubuntu. I therefore, implore the Ubuntu design authorities to seriously review the accessibility and human factors aspects of the next LTS version in relation to the above comments. I am fearful that the next Ubuntu LTS version could fall into the same inaccessibility and poor human factors trap that other (non-mentionable) commercial operating systems have done. Having found Ubuntu I want to keep using it. Please enable me to do so and continue to promulgate its useful attributes and benefits to others. In the meantime I have stopped using version 11.10 and reverted back to version 10.04. Best Regards Len Watts -- Ubuntu-accessibility-devel mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility-devel at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility-devel ----- End forwarded message ----- From chaltain at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 08:31:06 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:31:06 -0600 Subject: Fwd: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility & Human Factors Issues In-Reply-To: <20120113080452.GA3038@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <20120113080452.GA3038@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4F0FEBCA.3030806@gmail.com> Is this a criticism of the Unity interface or someone who wants to learn more about how to do what they want in Unity? For example, isn't it pretty easy to add an application to the Launcher, i.e. launch the application you want and then go to the launcher and click on the add to launcher button? On 13/01/12 02:04, Luke Yelavich wrote: > This was sent to the dev list, and probably should really be on the main accessibility list. > > ----- Forwarded message from "lenscom.uk at gmail.com" ----- > > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:00:25 +0000 > From: "lenscom.uk at gmail.com" > To: ubuntu-accessibility-devel at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility & Human Factors Issues > > Dear All > > I have been using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS since it was released and have found > it to be the best desktop user interface in existence. It is rich in > functions and features for both novice and expert users. I believe the > Ubuntu 10.04 accessibility and human interface is 1st class for every > type of user. Listings of all applications are easily accessed from the > top menu / launcher bar. And application icons can be added or removed > just as easily. The whole system is very easy to customise > > However, I have recently installed version 11.10 and have been very > disappointed with the inability to quickly access the range of > applications without having to go through the layers of options from the > menu bar. I have not yet found any way to customise the side menu / > launcher bar in order that I can add my frequently used application or > utilities icons and remove less frequently used applications. I am > finding version 11.10 extremely frustrating and difficult to use and > administer. > > I have recently recommended Ubuntu to friends who were thinking of > purchasing new desktop and laptops. Being curious I thought I ought to > try Ubuntu 11.10 to ensure I provide support to them if they wanted to > try it. I am now very concerned about my recommendation and can only > point them to using version 10.04 LTS until 2013 when the next LTS > version is released. > > To improve and compete with other commercial systems I believe is right. > However, to incorporate an awkward layered look and feel for accessing > user applications and system utilities, I think is likely to seriously > impact the take up and use of Ubuntu. > > I therefore, implore the Ubuntu design authorities to seriously review > the accessibility and human factors aspects of the next LTS version in > relation to the above comments. I am fearful that the next Ubuntu LTS > version could fall into the same inaccessibility and poor human factors > trap that other (non-mentionable) commercial operating systems have > done. > > Having found Ubuntu I want to keep using it. Please enable me to do so > and continue to promulgate its useful attributes and benefits to others. > In the meantime I have stopped using version 11.10 and reverted back to > version 10.04. > > Best Regards > Len Watts > > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Jan 13 09:36:55 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:36:55 +0100 Subject: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message Message-ID: <4F0FFB37.7050100@pickup.hu> Hy, I doed only a minimal modified Precise based live CD based with current awailable daily live CD. I only changed the default session with GNOME3 fallback session, installed the required dependencies and hungarian language related packages. I booted the live CD with passed access=v3 parameter, the original boot logo I disabled. The system launched correctly, but if in GNOME Terminal I run any command with sudo or gksu prefix, I get can not open display error message. This is a known issue? Why happening this error in GNOME3 fallback session? Already reported this issue in Launchpad? Attila From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 09:44:33 2012 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:44:33 -0700 Subject: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message In-Reply-To: <4F0FFB37.7050100@pickup.hu> References: <4F0FFB37.7050100@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F0FFD01.60406@gmail.com> This happens in Unity as well. Jeremy On 01/13/2012 02:36 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I doed only a minimal modified Precise based live CD based with current > awailable daily live CD. > I only changed the default session with GNOME3 fallback session, > installed the required dependencies and hungarian language related > packages. > I booted the live CD with passed access=v3 parameter, the original boot > logo I disabled. > The system launched correctly, but if in GNOME Terminal I run any > command with sudo or gksu prefix, I get can not open display error message. > This is a known issue? Why happening this error in GNOME3 fallback session? > Already reported this issue in Launchpad? > > Attila > From pstowe at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 11:40:22 2012 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 06:40:22 -0500 Subject: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility & Human Factors Issues In-Reply-To: <20120113080452.GA3038@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <20120113080452.GA3038@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > This was sent to the dev list, and probably should really be on the main > accessibility list. > > ----- Forwarded message from "lenscom.uk at gmail.com" > ----- > > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:00:25 +0000 > From: "lenscom.uk at gmail.com" > To: ubuntu-accessibility-devel at lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility & Human Factors Issues > > Dear All > > I have been using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS since it was released and have found > it to be the best desktop user interface in existence. It is rich in > functions and features for both novice and expert users. I believe the > Ubuntu 10.04 accessibility and human interface is 1st class for every > type of user. Listings of all applications are easily accessed from the > top menu / launcher bar. And application icons can be added or removed > just as easily. The whole system is very easy to customise > > However, I have recently installed version 11.10 and have been very > disappointed with the inability to quickly access the range of > applications without having to go through the layers of options from the > menu bar. I have not yet found any way to customise the side menu / > launcher bar in order that I can add my frequently used application or > utilities icons and remove less frequently used applications. I am > finding version 11.10 extremely frustrating and difficult to use and > administer. > > I have recently recommended Ubuntu to friends who were thinking of > purchasing new desktop and laptops. Being curious I thought I ought to > try Ubuntu 11.10 to ensure I provide support to them if they wanted to > try it. I am now very concerned about my recommendation and can only > point them to using version 10.04 LTS until 2013 when the next LTS > version is released. > > To improve and compete with other commercial systems I believe is right. > However, to incorporate an awkward layered look and feel for accessing > user applications and system utilities, I think is likely to seriously > impact the take up and use of Ubuntu. > > I therefore, implore the Ubuntu design authorities to seriously review > the accessibility and human factors aspects of the next LTS version in > relation to the above comments. I am fearful that the next Ubuntu LTS > version could fall into the same inaccessibility and poor human factors > trap that other (non-mentionable) commercial operating systems have > done. > > Best Regards > Len Watts > > Hi Len, Could you be a little more specific about how you use your computer? Are you using a screen-reading program such as Orca or are you using a mouse? The Ubuntu Accessibility team is really about making it possible for people with impairments to be able to use Ubuntu and I didn't notice any specifics in your post that made it clear to me what your access needs were beyond a traditional user. If your problem is that you're having trouble with finding the applications you want to use when using the computer in a traditional manner (mouse, keyboard, etc.), you might want to look at the information on how to use Lenses and how to customize the Launcher (I know for adding and removing, if you right click on an item while it's in the launcher you can remove or add it to the Launcher, for example). If you use Orca or have some sort of access need that means that you don't use the desktop through traditional means, please let us know how you do use it so that we can best assist you. Thank you! Penelope -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Jan 13 15:23:05 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:23:05 +0100 Subject: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message In-Reply-To: <4F10416B.6090507@thefudge.net> References: <4F0FFB37.7050100@pickup.hu> <4F10416B.6090507@thefudge.net> Message-ID: <4F104C59.1040807@pickup.hu> Hy, Jeremy, thank you the confirmation for Unity too. Rob, unfortunately su -c command suggestion doesn't help. After I change root password and run for example su -c gedit command, I get following error message the live CD: EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported ** WARNING **: Could not connect to session bus ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ Attila From macoafi at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 16:26:03 2012 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:26:03 -0500 Subject: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message In-Reply-To: <4F0FFB37.7050100@pickup.hu> References: <4F0FFB37.7050100@pickup.hu> Message-ID: DON'T use sudo with GUI programs! It can seriously screw up permissions on the user-specific files the program needs to run. Please try again using the *correct* command: gksudo -- Mackenzie Morgan From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Jan 13 17:02:59 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:02:59 +0100 Subject: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message In-Reply-To: References: <4F0FFB37.7050100@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4F1063C3.5040301@pickup.hu> I tryed gksudo gedit command. Unfortunately I get following error message: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", Cannot open display: Run 'gedit --help' to see a full list of available command line options. ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ I forgotted prewious not need using sudo command in terminal to Orca prowide a11y support the root privilege launched application, because at-spi2 already prowide a11y support with gksu or gksudo launched GUI applications. Oldest GNOME 2.x based releases Orca only prowide a11y support if the GUI application need launching root privileges if used the sudo applicationname command in GNOME Terminal. Attila From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Fri Jan 13 22:48:57 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:48:57 +0000 Subject: Falling back to gnome-panel in Oneiric (again) Message-ID: <4F10B4D9.7010809@virginmedia.com> Hi, Piecing together what I read from a couple of emails on this subject from a while back... I tried the following commands to revert to classic gnome-panel sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:gnome-fallback The packages were installed and the dbus command seemed to work (at least, I got no errors) but no change to the launcher. Is there something else I need to do? There are multiple issues with unity-2d such as the Thunderbird message reading problem, notifications not being read by Orca and menus not always working properly which I believe can all be solved by reverting back to gnome-panel. Not to mention the fact it's just easier to find your applications with gnome-panel. Thanks. Paul From ka1cey at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 22:57:50 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:57:50 -0500 Subject: Falling back to gnome-panel in Oneiric (again) In-Reply-To: <4F10B4D9.7010809@virginmedia.com> References: <4F10B4D9.7010809@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <4F10B6EE.90708@gmail.com> Falling back to gnome panel will not fix the issues with unity or t-bird, just be a work-around, allowing you to avoid them. Furthermore, the issues around thunderbird not reading the correct message summary, trouble cursoring in the message body, and so on, are not specific to gnome panel. All that said, Here's how I revert to gnome panel. sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jconti/gnome3 sudo apt-get update nano /var/lib/AccountsService/users/dave I look for the line containing 'XSession=', and replace 'ubuntu-2d' with 'gnome-fallback', then reboot. The sessions, when I'm logged in as dave, are gnome panel. Your username will be something else. The jconti ppa has gnome panel applets ported to gnome 3. YMMV, Dave On 01/13/2012 05:48 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > Piecing together what I read from a couple of emails on this subject > from a while back... > > I tried the following commands to revert to classic gnome-panel > > sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback > > dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 > --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 > org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:gnome-fallback > > The packages were installed and the dbus command seemed to work (at > least, I got no errors) but no change to the launcher. > > Is there something else I need to do? > > There are multiple issues with unity-2d such as the Thunderbird message > reading problem, notifications not being read by Orca and menus not > always working properly which I believe can all be solved by reverting > back to gnome-panel. > > Not to mention the fact it's just easier to find your applications with > gnome-panel. > > Thanks. > Paul > From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Fri Jan 13 23:19:54 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:19:54 +0000 Subject: Falling back to gnome-panel in Oneiric (again) In-Reply-To: <4F10B6EE.90708@gmail.com> References: <4F10B4D9.7010809@virginmedia.com> <4F10B6EE.90708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F10BC1A.70604@virginmedia.com> Hi Dave, Your instructions worked, thank you. Well when I said that falling back to gnome-panel would fix problems I meant that I would no longer experience the problems... I think the specific TB issue I'm referring to is specific to running Unity and indeed it seems to be fixed although I'll give it some time to see if it reappears. I thought the issue with Orca reading notifications would be solved by reverting to gnome-panel though and gutted that it isn't. Thanks again. Paul On 13/01/12 22:57, Dave Hunt wrote: > Falling back to gnome panel will not fix the issues with unity or > t-bird, just be a work-around, allowing you to avoid them. > Furthermore, the issues around thunderbird not reading the correct > message summary, trouble cursoring in the message body, and so on, are > not specific to gnome panel. All that said, Here's how I revert to > gnome panel. > > sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jconti/gnome3 > sudo apt-get update > nano /var/lib/AccountsService/users/dave > > I look for the line containing 'XSession=', and replace 'ubuntu-2d' > with 'gnome-fallback', then reboot. The sessions, when I'm logged in > as dave, are gnome panel. > > Your username will be something else. The jconti ppa has gnome panel > applets ported to gnome 3. > > > YMMV, > > > Dave > > > > > > On 01/13/2012 05:48 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Piecing together what I read from a couple of emails on this subject >> from a while back... >> >> I tried the following commands to revert to classic gnome-panel >> >> sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback >> >> dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 >> --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 >> org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:gnome-fallback >> >> The packages were installed and the dbus command seemed to work (at >> least, I got no errors) but no change to the launcher. >> >> Is there something else I need to do? >> >> There are multiple issues with unity-2d such as the Thunderbird message >> reading problem, notifications not being read by Orca and menus not >> always working properly which I believe can all be solved by reverting >> back to gnome-panel. >> >> Not to mention the fact it's just easier to find your applications with >> gnome-panel. >> >> Thanks. >> Paul >> > From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Fri Jan 13 23:28:46 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:28:46 +0000 Subject: Falling back to gnome-panel in Oneiric (again) In-Reply-To: <4F10B6EE.90708@gmail.com> References: <4F10B4D9.7010809@virginmedia.com> <4F10B6EE.90708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F10BE2E.4050104@virginmedia.com> Okay, TB message reading problem has resurfaced. If this was twitter I'd use hashtag #doublegutted Oh well, still nice to have the old menu system back. On 13/01/12 22:57, Dave Hunt wrote: > Falling back to gnome panel will not fix the issues with unity or > t-bird, just be a work-around, allowing you to avoid them. > Furthermore, the issues around thunderbird not reading the correct > message summary, trouble cursoring in the message body, and so on, are > not specific to gnome panel. All that said, Here's how I revert to > gnome panel. > > sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jconti/gnome3 > sudo apt-get update > nano /var/lib/AccountsService/users/dave > > I look for the line containing 'XSession=', and replace 'ubuntu-2d' > with 'gnome-fallback', then reboot. The sessions, when I'm logged in > as dave, are gnome panel. > > Your username will be something else. The jconti ppa has gnome panel > applets ported to gnome 3. > > > YMMV, > > > Dave > > > > > > On 01/13/2012 05:48 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Piecing together what I read from a couple of emails on this subject >> from a while back... >> >> I tried the following commands to revert to classic gnome-panel >> >> sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback >> >> dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 >> --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 >> org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:gnome-fallback >> >> The packages were installed and the dbus command seemed to work (at >> least, I got no errors) but no change to the launcher. >> >> Is there something else I need to do? >> >> There are multiple issues with unity-2d such as the Thunderbird message >> reading problem, notifications not being read by Orca and menus not >> always working properly which I believe can all be solved by reverting >> back to gnome-panel. >> >> Not to mention the fact it's just easier to find your applications with >> gnome-panel. >> >> Thanks. >> Paul >> > From pstowe at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 23:53:11 2012 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:53:11 -0500 Subject: Meeting: Wednesday January 18, 2011 @ 21:00 UTC Message-ID: Hello All, There will be an accessibility team meeting on Wednesday, January 18, 2011 at 21:00 UTC in #ubuntu-accessibility on irc.freenode.net Meeting Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda Please feel free to add other agenda items! I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible at the meeting. Thank you! Penelope -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sath.linux at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 04:02:23 2012 From: sath.linux at gmail.com (sathayn linux) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:32:23 +0530 Subject: LIOS-1.1 Released Message-ID: *LIOS-1.1* Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to text using a scanner. It can also produce text out of scanned images from other sources. Program is given total accessibility for visually impaired. Lios is written in python and we release it under GPL3 licence. Lios will work with Debian based operating systems. Lios is an effort from the easy-ocr development team. There are great many possibilities for this program. Feedback is the key to it. HOW TO INSTALL Download deb file from here http://linux-intelligent-ocr-solution.googlecode.com/files/linux_Intelligent_Ocr_Solution_1.1.debopen it and install Features1 Single scan & Repeated Scanning,2 Scan images from folder,3 Scan images from Pdf,4 24 Language support (Given at the end),5 Full GUI environment,6 Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of pages to scan7 Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between repeated scanning8 Full Auto Rotation,9 Brightness optimizer,10 Audio converter,11 Easily Accessible Preference Window,12 5 OCR Engines (OCROPUS,CUNEIFORM,TESSERACT,GOCR,OCRAD),13 Good text manipulation with Find, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line, Append file, Punch File.14 Display Preferences for Low vision,15 Dictionary Support for english(Artha)16 And more features are in the preferences.expecting your feedback. nalin4linux77 at gmail.com and sath.linux at gmail.comHow to start using lios.1. Scanning. In order to start new scan, first press ctrl+n and then press f9 for single scan or ctrl f9 for repeated scanning. To set the scanning preferences press ctrl+p and set the starting page number, Mode of page numbering, double page mode if you intend to keep 2 pages at a time, rotation to select the way in which you want the program to rotate the images before conversion. In full automatic rotation mode, one can keep the book in 00 90 180 and 270 degree angle. In partial rotation mode program will scan once to find out the position of the book and then the rotation will be kept. in manual mode one should select the angle. partial and manual mode is faster than full auto rotation mode in ocr process. One can select the number of pages to be scanned at a stretch by setting number of pages in the case of repeated scanning. one can stop all scanning process by pressing ctrl f4. 2. Scan from folder. Lios can convert scanned images from other sources. It can convert jpg, jpeg, tif, tiff png, pnm, formats. To convert the images in a folder, select scan from folder option by pressing ctrl u and then select the input folder. 3. Scan Pdf file. Select scan pdf from file menu and then select the input file. It is recommended that one can use ocropus as engine more efficiently in pdf conversion. 4. Brightness checker. To set a n exact value of brightness or threshold is the best way to ensure maximum efficiency out of ocr engines. To find out the best value, go to tools menu and select brightness checker. This utility will scan for 15 or 17 times to complete the process. after the process, number of words detected at different values will be shone in tabs. If you want to know the precise value only, shift tab and then tab to apply the value. 5. Audio conversion. lios can convert the text opened in lios to wav files. To convert the text in to speech, go to tools menu and select audio converter. 6. Text Manipulation. To go to page, press ctrl+g and then type the page number, and tab to ok. In the case of double page type only odd number, for example 1 in the case of 1-2 and 11 in the case of 11-12. One can go to any line by pressing ctrl+l and ctrl+f will help to find any word in the document. 7. Display preferences. display preferences in the edit menu will help to set fond size, color , italic, bold and color of the background. 8. Engines. There are 5 engines in lios.out of these only cuneiform can handle 24 languages, list given at the end. all other engines can handle only English. Cuneiform is good for speed and picture skipping ,ocropus is good for layout analysis and pdf conversion. 9. Artha. There is a dictionary support for english, First activate artha in accessories, select the word and press alt+ctrl+w and Tab to find out the Meaning. Cuneiform support Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Russian-English bilingual, Serbian, Slovene, Spanish, Swedish, Turkish, and Ukrainian.Disclaimer Copyright (c) 2010 EASY-OCR development team All rights reserved . 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It comes up in a "ls -l" with -rwxr-xr-x permissions. When I try to run it either as myself or as sudo I get a "file or directory does not exist" error. As I say al list and even the file command say it is there and executable. Any ideas? Tom From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Jan 18 00:00:33 2012 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:00:33 -0700 Subject: Need help please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120117170033.60d4595c@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:30:09 -0800 (PST) Tom Masterson wrote: > I know this is probably off topic but I and my colleagues are very > confused. I am using ubuntu 11.10 fully updated. I have a program that > installs to a subdirectory of /opt. It comes up in a "ls -l" with > -rwxr-xr-x permissions. When I try to run it either as myself or as sudo > I get a "file or directory does not exist" error. As I say al list and > even the file command say it is there and executable. Any ideas? > > Tom > I suggest using a cd /opt/directory_with_executable and if that fails to let the application work, try running it in terminal with sh PROGRAM after using cd to get to the directory. This often works, since the error you are getting is either because the program is not in the path or requires teh sh in front to let the script work correctly. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPFguhAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAXosH/RTyWz2BIR3ctFI2P8767DA0 cfuCJoboridqaqcyUQbk89rpekGlRx0p9lwfGY4EAQnLM8gZBvy2lX6CvZ2nUyUA Vk37vBHsqnOXsnHGTDB8boQ2Y5n3hDpgmh4eSR0shMihS1/9gRMd/C2L+Vjd/YyZ 8UPLBCf8QeVYOVrr1O4YPlmJa5IuHxS1XW3Unq2tw4UU7jgiaso/BV/LaUAamHV5 LzX0SgqBAkxaVKiUAhgDSINrCgeksxWpyDFLkPtl6N2HHZe7HIciaaX6k1DWqUjX eBTmwgPwQDafMEqaMn/QQbWamW+ahcTLtnxsSWbo0sK3V51cq8KzgKhuP2QBR6I= =NcbT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 03:30:30 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:30:30 -0600 Subject: Need help please In-Reply-To: <20120117170033.60d4595c@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20120117170033.60d4595c@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4F163CD6.2040208@gmail.com> I apologize if Charlie already covered this below, but you could try to use the cd command to make the directory where the executable is located the current working directory and then run the command with $./foobar. As Charlie says, the directory may not be in your path, so if you explicitly provide the path then your problem may go away. Note that the dot in ./ is a shortcut for the current working directory. On 17/01/12 18:00, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:30:09 -0800 (PST) > Tom Masterson wrote: > >> I know this is probably off topic but I and my colleagues are very >> confused. I am using ubuntu 11.10 fully updated. I have a program that >> installs to a subdirectory of /opt. It comes up in a "ls -l" with >> -rwxr-xr-x permissions. When I try to run it either as myself or as sudo >> I get a "file or directory does not exist" error. As I say al list and >> even the file command say it is there and executable. Any ideas? > >> Tom > > > I suggest using a > cd /opt/directory_with_executable > > and if that fails > to let the application work, try running it in terminal with > > sh PROGRAM > > after using cd to get to the directory. This often works, since the > error you are getting is either because the program is not in the path > or requires teh sh in front to let the script work correctly. > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From petra at access-for-all.ch Wed Jan 18 09:25:43 2012 From: petra at access-for-all.ch (Petra Ritter) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:25:43 +0100 Subject: How to Change Mouse Cursor Theme on Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot Message-ID: <4F169017.3050102@access-for-all.ch> Hi, Is this the only Way to change the Mouse-Corsor in color and size? http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/12/how-to-change-mouse-cursor-theme-on.html I need a black and a bigger Mouse cursor, to be able to see it. I don't need the hight color thema I just nedd a black and big Mouse Cursor. Thanks for the help Best regards Petra Ritter From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Wed Jan 18 11:35:30 2012 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:35:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: How to Change Mouse Cursor Theme on Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot In-Reply-To: <4F169017.3050102@access-for-all.ch> References: <4F169017.3050102@access-for-all.ch> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jan 2012, Petra Ritter wrote: > Hi, > > Is this the only Way to change the Mouse-Corsor in color and size? > http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/12/how-to-change-mouse-cursor-theme-on.html > > I need a black and a bigger Mouse cursor, to be able to see it. > I don't need the hight color thema I just nedd a black and big Mouse Cursor. > > Thanks for the help > Best regards > Petra Ritter > I've not had chance to do much on Ubuntu, but have found the big X cursor I used on the Suns here. The cursor and the mask file are attached. I think I started out from this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/X-Big-Cursor.html although the link to the copy I was pointing at is now broken. I created a big cursor with the X bitmap editor and used that, but my problem was that it only worked on the root (background) window, and when I went into applications they used their own cursors, which were small. I used xeyes some of the time to find the cursor, but this was "suboptimal". I never really did find a good answer to this one. The magnifier helped a bit. Hopefully that Howto, although old (1997), will be a stopgap until you get a more useful answer from someone else. 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From blindstein at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 04:10:58 2012 From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:10:58 -0800 Subject: ubuntu 11.10 orca and speakup do not work together Message-ID: <5CBC4E97-F648-4DE6-901B-79CED0CA7A0A@gmail.com> Hi all Subject says it all, I find that I cannot get orca and speakup to run at the same time on my installation of ubuntu 11.10. It's either one or the other, but never both at the same time. I can tell that both of them are running. For example now, I can hear speakup. I can confirm that orca is running because I see the start up splash thing when orca executes, I just don't hear anything. It seems like part of my problem has to do with running pulseaudio in system mode. I downloaded the pulsesystem and pulseuser scripts, made by the vinux team, and executed the pulsesystem script in /etc/local/bin after changing its permissions to 755. I restarted the machine, and same result, orca mute, speakup running. It seems that I am getting this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/886700 when I try to execute espeak hello in the gnome-terminal, which suggests that my problem might have something to do with alsa. Any ideas? Regards Justin Harford From vilmar at informal.com.br Fri Jan 20 12:08:52 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:08:52 -0200 Subject: ubuntu 11.10 orca and speakup do not work together In-Reply-To: <5CBC4E97-F648-4DE6-901B-79CED0CA7A0A@gmail.com> References: <5CBC4E97-F648-4DE6-901B-79CED0CA7A0A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F195954.5050207@informal.com.br> Hi, Seems that the problem happens if you use the same login to access speakup and the GUI interface. If you use a login in speakup different than the login used in the graphical environment, you can use orca and speakup at the same time. On 01/20/2012 02:10 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > Hi all > > Subject says it all, I find that I cannot get orca and speakup to run at the same time on my installation of ubuntu 11.10. It's either one or the other, but never both at the same time. I can tell that both of them are running. For example now, I can hear speakup. I can confirm that orca is running because I see the start up splash thing when orca executes, I just don't hear anything. > > It seems like part of my problem has to do with running pulseaudio in system mode. I downloaded the pulsesystem and pulseuser scripts, made by the vinux team, and executed the pulsesystem script in /etc/local/bin after changing its permissions to 755. I restarted the machine, and same result, orca mute, speakup running. > > It seems that I am getting this bug: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/886700 > > when I try to execute > > espeak hello > > in the gnome-terminal, which suggests that my problem might have something to do with alsa. Any ideas? > > Regards > Justin Harford From blindstein at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 21:19:33 2012 From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:19:33 -0800 Subject: ubuntu 11.10 orca and speakup do not work together In-Reply-To: <4F195954.5050207@informal.com.br> References: <5CBC4E97-F648-4DE6-901B-79CED0CA7A0A@gmail.com> <4F195954.5050207@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <3046EB47-AB30-48C6-B70B-AFAC424864AD@gmail.com> Hi there Has this worked for anyone? Thanks Justin Harford On 20-01-2012, at 4:08, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > Seems that the problem happens if you use the same login to access speakup and the GUI interface. > If you use a login in speakup different than the login used in the graphical environment, you can use orca and speakup at the same time. > > On 01/20/2012 02:10 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Subject says it all, I find that I cannot get orca and speakup to run at the same time on my installation of ubuntu 11.10. It's either one or the other, but never both at the same time. I can tell that both of them are running. For example now, I can hear speakup. I can confirm that orca is running because I see the start up splash thing when orca executes, I just don't hear anything. >> >> It seems like part of my problem has to do with running pulseaudio in system mode. I downloaded the pulsesystem and pulseuser scripts, made by the vinux team, and executed the pulsesystem script in /etc/local/bin after changing its permissions to 755. I restarted the machine, and same result, orca mute, speakup running. >> >> It seems that I am getting this bug: >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/886700 >> >> when I try to execute >> >> espeak hello >> >> in the gnome-terminal, which suggests that my problem might have something to do with alsa. Any ideas? >> >> Regards >> Justin Harford > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From blindstein at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 21:21:39 2012 From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:21:39 -0800 Subject: ubuntu 11.10 orca and speakup do not work together In-Reply-To: <3046EB47-AB30-48C6-B70B-AFAC424864AD@gmail.com> References: <5CBC4E97-F648-4DE6-901B-79CED0CA7A0A@gmail.com> <4F195954.5050207@informal.com.br> <3046EB47-AB30-48C6-B70B-AFAC424864AD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi again all I'm sorry about the inconsistancies, but it seems like my system does not always work consistantly. Now it is insisting in only premitting me to access speakup. I could not even get orca to sound off by logging in to the desktop first. I'm emailing from lynx and gmail now using speakup. This is a strange problem. Regards Justin Harford On 1/20/12, Justin Harford wrote: > Hi there > > Has this worked for anyone? > > Thanks > Justin Harford > On 20-01-2012, at 4:08, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi, >> Seems that the problem happens if you use the same login to access speakup >> and the GUI interface. >> If you use a login in speakup different than the login used in the >> graphical environment, you can use orca and speakup at the same time. >> >> On 01/20/2012 02:10 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>> Hi all >>> >>> Subject says it all, I find that I cannot get orca and speakup to run at >>> the same time on my installation of ubuntu 11.10. It's either one or the >>> other, but never both at the same time. I can tell that both of them are >>> running. For example now, I can hear speakup. I can confirm that orca is >>> running because I see the start up splash thing when orca executes, I >>> just don't hear anything. >>> >>> It seems like part of my problem has to do with running pulseaudio in >>> system mode. I downloaded the pulsesystem and pulseuser scripts, made by >>> the vinux team, and executed the pulsesystem script in /etc/local/bin >>> after changing its permissions to 755. I restarted the machine, and same >>> result, orca mute, speakup running. >>> >>> It seems that I am getting this bug: >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/886700 >>> >>> when I try to execute >>> >>> espeak hello >>> >>> in the gnome-terminal, which suggests that my problem might have >>> something to do with alsa. Any ideas? >>> >>> Regards >>> Justin Harford >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > From petra at access-for-all.ch Sat Jan 21 15:06:59 2012 From: petra at access-for-all.ch (Petra Ritter) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:06:59 +0100 Subject: Accessibility suggestion and Bug Message-ID: <4F1AD493.7000308@access-for-all.ch> Hallo, I managed it to change the Mouse cursor in Coror and Size. I used the folowing comand sudo apt-get install dconf-tools dconf-editor Then in the three viev of the dconf-edithor org -> gnome -> desktop -> interface then change the Cursor size and the Cursor-Themes to my need. After that - Alt-F2 compiz --replace This works fine for me exept in the Desktop itself it doesn't work at all. At the desktop the Mouse Cursor has no canged. As I have understood there is a bug in Compiz that caused the problem. I think it would be nice to have solved this Problem in ubuntu 12.04. Now to my suggestion: I think it would be helpfull to be able to cange the appirence of the Mouse Cursor in the dialog for the mouse settings. Because many elder Peoble have Problem to see the mouse corusor but don't need the hight-Contrast themes. Best regards Petra Ritter Petra From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Sat Jan 21 20:44:35 2012 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:44:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Accessibility suggestion and Bug In-Reply-To: <4F1AD493.7000308@access-for-all.ch> References: <4F1AD493.7000308@access-for-all.ch> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012, Petra Ritter wrote: > Hallo, > > I managed it to change the Mouse cursor in Coror and Size. > [solution elided for brevity] > > This works fine for me exept in the Desktop itself it doesn't work at all. At > the desktop the Mouse Cursor has no canged. > Does the Xcursor and mask file I sent go any way towards helping, as that only works on the desktop in X? They go in your home directory. [...] > > Best regards > > Petra Ritter Hugh From nolan at thewordnerd.info Mon Jan 23 05:26:17 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:26:17 -0600 Subject: My vanishing applets Message-ID: <4F1CEF79.8040504@thewordnerd.info> I can no longer reach the applet bar and don't know what might have changed. Running 11.04. I am aware that Unity/11.10 resolves this, but I'm not ready to take on the other accessibility issues it introduces. When I ctrl-alt-tab to the top bar, I can arrow between Firefox and the system/apps/places menus. I can't reach the calendar or, most importantly, an area to configure wireless access points. I was able to reach this area two months or so ago, so it was possible once. How can I find my applets again? Is it at least possible to graphically configure my wireless? This is a rather disappointing development. From kd7cyu at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 15:51:18 2012 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:51:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Which orca branch Message-ID: Which branch of orca should I check out if I want to do some testing on Ubuntu 11.10 with the latest orca code? Tom From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 16:00:00 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:00:00 -0500 Subject: Which orca branch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F1ED580.4080101@gmail.com> Check out master (3.3.5pre), or use the 3.3.4 on the ftp site. -Dave On 01/24/2012 10:51 AM, Tom Masterson wrote: > Which branch of orca should I check out if I want to do some testing on > Ubuntu 11.10 with the latest orca code? > > Tom > From vilmar at informal.com.br Tue Jan 24 18:48:46 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:48:46 -0200 Subject: Which orca branch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F1EFD0E.6010705@informal.com.br> In my opinion you should try master. You'll need python-gobject 3.0.2 or above, but the version that is installed is 3.0.0. I found version 3.0.3 in the following repository: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3/ubuntu oneiric main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3/ubuntu oneiric main I don't remember the command used to add the repository but I can try to find if necessary. On 01/24/2012 01:51 PM, Tom Masterson wrote: > Which branch of orca should I check out if I want to do some testing on > Ubuntu 11.10 with the latest orca code? > > Tom > From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 20:48:09 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:48:09 -0500 Subject: HUD in 12.04? Message-ID: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> After reading this post, I have no idea what the HUD will look like or how an eyes-free user will use it. Cheers, Dave Hunt http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Tue Jan 24 21:09:13 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:09:13 +0000 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1F1DF9.1080105@virginmedia.com> Interesting, Well I don't think it's anything to worry about for now from a blind user's perspective. If, and it still appears to be an if, it lands in 12.04 it will be an optional thing and the more traditional menus still available. It just sounds like a way of offering you the ability to search for items that exist in an application's menus rather than having to navigate through them with the arrows. I hope the developers are taking accessibility into account as they work on it... It can't possibly be any more confusing than the Microsoft Office ribbon bar thingy. I'm still baffled by that! On 24/01/12 20:48, Dave Hunt wrote: > After reading this post, I have no idea what the HUD will look like or > how an eyes-free user will use it. > > > Cheers, > > > Dave Hunt > > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 > From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 21:24:40 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:24:40 -0500 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F1DF9.1080105@virginmedia.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F1DF9.1080105@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <4F1F2198.5010402@gmail.com> I'm more curious than worried; just wanted to pass this along. Thanks for your thoughts on how it may work. One can already search for parts of the gnome-control-center app from Unity and the Gnome shell; not sure about other apps. For instance, if you search for "keyboard", in the Gnome shell or Unity, you'll get the "keyboard" page, from the control center, as a search result. Pretty cool, actually, if you don't know what the app is called, or where it is. So, if the HUD is just taking this kind of search ability further, that's interesting. Now, if we could make something analogus to the "speakable items" in OSX, That would be great. Cheers, Dave Hunt I tweet as wx1gdave Voice chat on sip:wx1g at ekiga.net . On 01/24/2012 04:09 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: > Interesting, > > Well I don't think it's anything to worry about for now from a blind > user's perspective. From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Tue Jan 24 21:33:49 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:33:49 +0000 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F2198.5010402@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F1DF9.1080105@virginmedia.com> <4F1F2198.5010402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1F23BD.8030709@virginmedia.com> It's actually quite encouraging as it's a method for finding and invoking functionality within an app that is centred around using the keyboard. That's in stark contrast to what's been going on with most operating systems / devices lately where pointing and clicking or tapping on a touch screen is the order of the day. And as it's using existing toolkits like GTK and QT hopefully it wont be too bad from an accessibility point of view. I'm not that familiar with OS X, how does speakable items work? The blog does mention integrating voice control into the HUD. On 24/01/12 21:24, Dave Hunt wrote: > I'm more curious than worried; just wanted to pass this along. Thanks > for your thoughts on how it may work. One can already search for parts > of the gnome-control-center app from Unity and the Gnome shell; not > sure about other apps. For instance, if you search for "keyboard", in > the Gnome shell or Unity, you'll get the "keyboard" page, from the > control center, as a search result. Pretty cool, actually, if you > don't know what the app is called, or where it is. So, if the HUD is > just taking this kind of search ability further, that's interesting. > Now, if we could make something analogus to the "speakable items" in > OSX, That would be great. > > > Cheers, > > > Dave Hunt > > > I tweet as wx1gdave > Voice chat on sip:wx1g at ekiga.net > > > . > > On 01/24/2012 04:09 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: >> Interesting, >> >> Well I don't think it's anything to worry about for now from a blind >> user's perspective. > From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 21:45:29 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert cole) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:45:29 -0800 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1F2679.2040202@gmail.com> This was very interesting. Thanks for the link to that post, Dave. I think that this could be a very powerful feature, especially if it is accessible to blind users. As Paul stated, it looks like the menus will still be available, and hotkeys should still work. If this works out (as stated before with accessibility implemented), I think it would be pretty amazing. Just take this scenario for example: You are doing something in LibreOffice, and you forgot the shortcut key(s) to edit different styles. You could use ALT+F to open the file menu, and navigate through all of the menus until you find what you are looking for, or you could simply open up the HUD and type in "Style" and have every style-related option which exists in the menu trees presented to you. That would definitely save a ton of time. it seems really intuitive. All I can say is that I installed windows 8 Developer Preview into a virtual machine today so that I could begin learning it so I could help others when it comes out (I have not been a Windows user for nearly five years now), and I really love how Unity and GNOME Shell are coming along much better than the Windows 8 interface. I know that there is still probably a lot of...I'll just call it user frustration...surrounding Unity and GNOME Shell (I was one who was pretty frustrated in the beginning)...I think that these two desktops (as well as KDE and XFCE) are really shaping up to be something great, especially in the area of accessibility. I am really looking forward to seeing what the future holds for Linux desktops. Thanks again for the link, Dave. On 01/24/2012 12:48 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: > After reading this post, I have no idea what the HUD will look like or > how an eyes-free user will use it. > > > Cheers, > > > Dave Hunt > > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 > From alanbell at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 24 22:21:30 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:21:30 +0000 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> On 24/01/12 20:48, Dave Hunt wrote: > After reading this post, I have no idea what the HUD will look like or > how an eyes-free user will use it. > > > Cheers, > > > Dave Hunt > > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 > within seconds of it being announced I had spoken to one of the lead developers about it, in fact here is an edited (as in removed other lines and this went across two IRC channels) transcript 14:08 < gord> https://plus.google.com/112811220238447511854/posts/XWYJQhYATdG *cough* http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ *cough* 14:09 < gord> such a bad *cough* today - http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372385/ubuntu-rips-up-drop-down-menus *splutter* 14:09 * AlanBell prepares to slap gord if it doesn't work with orca 14:09 < AlanBell> but it does look pretty 14:10 < gord> i may have completely forgotten about orca ;) i'll make sure its fixed and talk to the qa guys about integrating orca into the tests 14:10 * AlanBell gets out a haddock and slaps gord round the face with it 14:11 < AlanBell> it looks like a great idea gord, I can see this being quite popular 14:12 < davmor2> AlanBell, gord: I can see people who hate unity crying into hankies now, me on the other hand I think it's cool :) 14:16 < AlanBell> gord: so when is it landing in precise? 14:16 < gord> AlanBell, next unity release is next week, so if everything goes well, then 16:43 * AlanBell tries HUD with Orca 16:47 < AlanBell> hmm, can't see any of unity with orca right now :( 16:51 < AlanBell> gord: ok, I restarted and orca reads unity now 16:52 < AlanBell> I get "HUD frame" and it can read the content of the field you type in 16:52 < AlanBell> gord: but it does not read the items in the list below the field you can navigate to and flat review mode doesn't work there either 16:54 < gord> AlanBell, yeah I need to do some work there and in possibly related news I spoke to some of the QA people doing automated testing of Unity2d today and explained how to set up a dummy speech dispatcher module that outputs text to a file instead of making sounds so they can do automated testing of the output of what Orca would say. They can test the accessibility strings on individual widgets already, but I want them to do testing of the final output so that they can see when orca is producing a jumble of words when navigating about the desktop. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 22:26:39 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:26:39 -0500 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F23BD.8030709@virginmedia.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F1DF9.1080105@virginmedia.com> <4F1F2198.5010402@gmail.com> <4F1F23BD.8030709@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <4F1F301F.8050606@gmail.com> Speakable Items lets you activate apps, or parts of apps, with a voice command, with an optional 'push-to-talk' key. For instance, if SA is configured, you hold down your key and say "send email". The Mac mail app will be focused, with the addressbook open. You select your recipients from the list, type your subject and body, ... If you say "check mail", for instance, your inbox summary will show up. Unless I don't have it set up right, only the apps that come with OSX have configurable Speakable Items. HTH, Dave On 01/24/2012 04:33 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: > I'm not that familiar with OS X, how does speakable items work? The blog > does mention integrating voice control into the HUD. From alanbell at ubuntu.com Tue Jan 24 22:47:07 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:47:07 +0000 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> On 24/01/12 22:30, Dave Hunt wrote: > Do we have it right, in concept? I hope it's usable with Orca by Beta > time! > > > -Dave > yeah, I think it will be fine by release (not sure about the first betas) it just needs to have an accessible string on the list of suggestions it gives (which would be the same as the visual text, but with HTML markup removed. For example if you type "new" in the HUD with thunderbird focussed it might show options below the field for: File > *New* > Message File > *New* > Address book contact File > Send *Now* so it is bolding the word it thinks you typed, putting them in the order of what you most probably meant first, and is doing a bit of fuzzy matching to pick up "Now" being a possible typo for "New". Right now these can get keyboard focus by going down from the edit field, but they don't say anything. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 23:02:20 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert cole) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:02:20 -0800 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> This is really neat. I am really looking forward to testing it out in the near future. On 01/24/2012 02:47 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > On 24/01/12 22:30, Dave Hunt wrote: >> Do we have it right, in concept? I hope it's usable with Orca by >> Beta time! >> >> >> -Dave >> > yeah, I think it will be fine by release (not sure about the first > betas) it just needs to have an accessible string on the list of > suggestions it gives (which would be the same as the visual text, but > with HTML markup removed. > For example if you type "new" in the HUD with thunderbird focussed it > might show options below the field for: > > File > *New* > Message > File > *New* > Address book contact > File > Send *Now* > > so it is bolding the word it thinks you typed, putting them in the > order of what you most probably meant first, and is doing a bit of > fuzzy matching to pick up "Now" being a possible typo for "New". Right > now these can get keyboard focus by going down from the edit field, > but they don't say anything. > > Alan. > > From brunogirin at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 23:13:58 2012 From: brunogirin at gmail.com (Bruno Girin) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:13:58 +0000 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> On 24/01/12 23:02, Robert cole wrote: > This is really neat. I am really looking forward to testing it out in > the near future. Funny you should say that because here are the details of how we can help with testing: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/01/testing-hud-heads-up-display.html I will certainly upgrade to Precise at the week-end in order to test HUD and the more people do it, the more likely it is to be a great feature in Precise. Cheers, Bruno From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 23:28:49 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert cole) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:28:49 -0800 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1F3EB1.1000909@gmail.com> Thanks for the link, Bruno. I am downloading a daily build of the Precise live CD right now. Should I use the daily build or should I get something else? I don't have a physical machine dedicated to testing, so do you think that things would work just as well in a VirtualBox Guest? At this time that is my only option, so I hope that I can help with testing. Thanks again for the link. Take care. On 01/24/2012 03:13 PM, Bruno Girin wrote: > On 24/01/12 23:02, Robert cole wrote: >> This is really neat. I am really looking forward to testing it out in >> the near future. > > Funny you should say that because here are the details of how we can > help with testing: > http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/01/testing-hud-heads-up-display.html > > > I will certainly upgrade to Precise at the week-end in order to test > HUD and the more people do it, the more likely it is to be a great > feature in Precise. > > Cheers, > > Bruno > > From hickster711 at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 01:09:18 2012 From: hickster711 at gmail.com (Bob Hickey) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:09:18 -0500 Subject: BTjunkie downloads on 11.04 Message-ID: Anybody have any trouble using BTjunkie suddenly? Thanx. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 03:40:40 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert cole) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:40:40 -0800 Subject: Orca Master Message-ID: <4F1F79B8.9040209@gmail.com> Hello, everyone. I am running Ubuntu 11.10 along with Orca version 3.2.1. I see that a lot of Ubuntu 11.10 users are happily using Orca Master (which I believe is version 3.3.5pre). About a month or more ago I asked on the Orca list how to get and build Orca Master from the GNOME Git repository. At that time, however, I was running Linux Mint 12. Someone pointed me to the Orca Wiki's Download/Install page [1]. I followed the instructions there, and I completely broke my Linux Mint 12 system. I know that the Wiki is going through an update process, and I (now) know that the instructions for obtaining Orca Master located there are out-of-date, as I believe they are in reference to Orca pre-GNOME 3. Is there an updated guide somewhere for getting and building the latest Orca Master branch? It does not seem like it would be that difficult (as the instructions on the Wiki page were explained quite well). I really want to try and build Orca Master again, but the right way. If there is an updated guide, where would I find it? Thanks for any help which you are able to provide. Take care. [1] http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Jan 25 08:31:01 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:31:01 -0200 Subject: Orca Master In-Reply-To: <4F1F79B8.9040209@gmail.com> References: <4F1F79B8.9040209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1FBDC5.4070008@informal.com.br> Hi Robert Here are the steps that I took to compile orca on ubuntu 11.10. Hope that helps. sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca sudo apt-get install gnome-common The next commands are necessary to update the version of python-gobject. Orca needs version 3.0.2 or above and ubuntu 11.10 comes with version 3.0.0. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade git clone git://git.gnome.org/orca orca cd orca ./configure ./autogen.sh make sudo make install orca will be installed in /usr/local On 01/25/2012 01:40 AM, Robert cole wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I am running Ubuntu 11.10 along with Orca version 3.2.1. > > I see that a lot of Ubuntu 11.10 users are happily using Orca Master > (which I believe is version 3.3.5pre). > > About a month or more ago I asked on the Orca list how to get and build > Orca Master from the GNOME Git repository. At that time, however, I was > running Linux Mint 12. Someone pointed me to the Orca Wiki's > Download/Install page [1]. I followed the instructions there, and I > completely broke my Linux Mint 12 system. I know that the Wiki is going > through an update process, and I (now) know that the instructions for > obtaining Orca Master located there are out-of-date, as I believe they > are in reference to Orca pre-GNOME 3. > > Is there an updated guide somewhere for getting and building the latest > Orca Master branch? It does not seem like it would be that difficult (as > the instructions on the Wiki page were explained quite well). I really > want to try and build Orca Master again, but the right way. If there is > an updated guide, where would I find it? > > Thanks for any help which you are able to provide. > > Take care. > > [1] http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall > From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 10:10:01 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert cole) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:10:01 -0800 Subject: Orca Master In-Reply-To: <4F1FBDC5.4070008@informal.com.br> References: <4F1F79B8.9040209@gmail.com> <4F1FBDC5.4070008@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4F1FD4F9.9000509@gmail.com> Thank you very much for that, José. I rally appreciate you taking the time to post this. Now, do I need to uninstall the version of Orca which came with Ubuntu 11.10 (version 3.2.1) or can I run either of the both of them? Also, do I need to get and compile the latest at-spi2 components (i.e. pyatspi2, at-spi2-core, etc) or will the current versions suffice? Once I get everything together, I will try and write up a tutorial for others who are interested in doing this if it would be helpful to others (I personally know of a few people who would love to know how to do this). Thanks again. Your information is much appreciated. On 01/25/2012 12:31 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Robert > Here are the steps that I took to compile orca on ubuntu 11.10. > Hope that helps. > > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca > sudo apt-get install gnome-common > > The next commands are necessary to update the version of > python-gobject. Orca needs version 3.0.2 or above and ubuntu 11.10 > comes with version 3.0.0. > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get upgrade > > git clone git://git.gnome.org/orca orca > cd orca > ./configure > ./autogen.sh > make > sudo make install > > orca will be installed in /usr/local > > On 01/25/2012 01:40 AM, Robert cole wrote: >> Hello, everyone. >> >> I am running Ubuntu 11.10 along with Orca version 3.2.1. >> >> I see that a lot of Ubuntu 11.10 users are happily using Orca Master >> (which I believe is version 3.3.5pre). >> >> About a month or more ago I asked on the Orca list how to get and build >> Orca Master from the GNOME Git repository. At that time, however, I was >> running Linux Mint 12. Someone pointed me to the Orca Wiki's >> Download/Install page [1]. I followed the instructions there, and I >> completely broke my Linux Mint 12 system. I know that the Wiki is going >> through an update process, and I (now) know that the instructions for >> obtaining Orca Master located there are out-of-date, as I believe they >> are in reference to Orca pre-GNOME 3. >> >> Is there an updated guide somewhere for getting and building the latest >> Orca Master branch? It does not seem like it would be that difficult (as >> the instructions on the Wiki page were explained quite well). I really >> want to try and build Orca Master again, but the right way. If there is >> an updated guide, where would I find it? >> >> Thanks for any help which you are able to provide. >> >> Take care. >> >> [1] http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall >> > From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Jan 25 12:29:42 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:29:42 -0200 Subject: Orca Master In-Reply-To: <4F1FD4F9.9000509@gmail.com> References: <4F1F79B8.9040209@gmail.com> <4F1FBDC5.4070008@informal.com.br> <4F1FD4F9.9000509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1FF5B6.8010808@informal.com.br> Hi Robert, No, you do not need uninstall the version of orca which came with ubuntu 11.10. Also you do not need recompile the latest at-spi2 components, although I suspect that if you do, probably you'll get rid of some bugs. I didn't recompile. On 01/25/2012 08:10 AM, Robert cole wrote: > Thank you very much for that, José. I rally appreciate you taking the > time to post this. > > Now, do I need to uninstall the version of Orca which came with Ubuntu > 11.10 (version 3.2.1) or can I run either of the both of them? Also, do > I need to get and compile the latest at-spi2 components (i.e. pyatspi2, > at-spi2-core, etc) or will the current versions suffice? > > Once I get everything together, I will try and write up a tutorial for > others who are interested in doing this if it would be helpful to others > (I personally know of a few people who would love to know how to do this). > > Thanks again. Your information is much appreciated. > > On 01/25/2012 12:31 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi Robert >> Here are the steps that I took to compile orca on ubuntu 11.10. >> Hope that helps. >> >> sudo apt-get update >> sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca >> sudo apt-get install gnome-common >> >> The next commands are necessary to update the version of >> python-gobject. Orca needs version 3.0.2 or above and ubuntu 11.10 >> comes with version 3.0.0. >> >> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 >> sudo apt-get update >> sudo apt-get upgrade >> >> git clone git://git.gnome.org/orca orca >> cd orca >> ./configure >> ./autogen.sh >> make >> sudo make install >> >> orca will be installed in /usr/local >> >> On 01/25/2012 01:40 AM, Robert cole wrote: >>> Hello, everyone. >>> >>> I am running Ubuntu 11.10 along with Orca version 3.2.1. >>> >>> I see that a lot of Ubuntu 11.10 users are happily using Orca Master >>> (which I believe is version 3.3.5pre). >>> >>> About a month or more ago I asked on the Orca list how to get and build >>> Orca Master from the GNOME Git repository. At that time, however, I was >>> running Linux Mint 12. Someone pointed me to the Orca Wiki's >>> Download/Install page [1]. I followed the instructions there, and I >>> completely broke my Linux Mint 12 system. I know that the Wiki is going >>> through an update process, and I (now) know that the instructions for >>> obtaining Orca Master located there are out-of-date, as I believe they >>> are in reference to Orca pre-GNOME 3. >>> >>> Is there an updated guide somewhere for getting and building the latest >>> Orca Master branch? It does not seem like it would be that difficult (as >>> the instructions on the Wiki page were explained quite well). I really >>> want to try and build Orca Master again, but the right way. If there is >>> an updated guide, where would I find it? >>> >>> Thanks for any help which you are able to provide. >>> >>> Take care. >>> >>> [1] http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall >>> >> > > From gene5402 at austin.rr.com Wed Jan 25 12:49:08 2012 From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:49:08 -0600 Subject: help with the live cd Message-ID: <3F1211CBCC414203A4B24F2539B8923A@supersystem> Hello everyone, I downloaded utunto 11 last week and have been trying to get orca to talk so that I can install it, how ever, I can't get it to work . In ubuntu 8.4 I could boot to the cd, press enter to select english, press downarrow once to tell the installer that I want to install, hit f5, key in 3 to load speech, and press enter twice and orca would come up talking, how ever that doesn't seem to work in the current billed so I was wondering if there is something I'm doing wrong? Also, in an earlier version I was able to get my pac mate braille display to work but I don't know how to get that to work either. I've been searching on the net using google trying to find some decent instructions on how to successfully boot to the live cd for ubuntu11, infact, I spent all day doing pretty much that and finally came acrossed this list. I'm gonna have some more questions later, however, right now I need to get the basic problem out of the way. Thanks for any help anybody can give me. Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In ubuntu 8.4 I could boot to the cd, press enter to select > english, press downarrow once to tell the installer that I want to > install, hit f5, key in 3 to load speech, and press enter twice and > orca would come up talking, how ever that doesn't seem to work in the > current billed so I was wondering if there is something I'm doing > wrong? Also, in an earlier version I was able to get my pac mate > braille display to work but I don't know how to get that to work > either. I've been searching on the net using google trying to find > some decent instructions on how to successfully boot to the live cd > for ubuntu11, infact, I spent all day doing pretty much that and > finally came acrossed this list. I'm gonna have some more questions > later, however, right now I need to get the basic problem out of the > way. Thanks for any help anybody can give me. > Gene > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 14:39:28 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:39:28 -0600 Subject: help with the live cd In-Reply-To: <3F1211CBCC414203A4B24F2539B8923A@supersystem> References: <3F1211CBCC414203A4B24F2539B8923A@supersystem> Message-ID: <4F201420.6020901@gmail.com> Assuming you're talking about Ubuntu 11.10, you can just press control+s to start Orca after you hear the drums. You may also want to check out the accessibility notes that came out when Oneric was released at: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/ to On 25/01/12 06:49, gene richburg wrote: > Hello everyone, I downloaded utunto 11 last week and have been trying > to get orca to talk so that I can install it, how ever, I can't get it > to work . In ubuntu 8.4 I could boot to the cd, press enter to select > english, press downarrow once to tell the installer that I want to > install, hit f5, key in 3 to load speech, and press enter twice and orca > would come up talking, how ever that doesn't seem to work in the current > billed so I was wondering if there is something I'm doing wrong? Also, > in an earlier version I was able to get my pac mate braille display to > work but I don't know how to get that to work either. I've been > searching on the net using google trying to find some decent > instructions on how to successfully boot to the live cd for ubuntu11, > infact, I spent all day doing pretty much that and finally came acrossed > this list. I'm gonna have some more questions later, however, right now > I need to get the basic problem out of the way. Thanks for any help > anybody can give me. > Gene > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at gmail.com From brunogirin at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 22:50:01 2012 From: brunogirin at gmail.com (Bruno Girin) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:50:01 +0000 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F1F3EB1.1000909@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> <4F1F3EB1.1000909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F208719.1020709@gmail.com> On 24/01/12 23:28, Robert cole wrote: > Thanks for the link, Bruno. > > I am downloading a daily build of the Precise live CD right now. > Should I use the daily build or should I get something else? > > I don't have a physical machine dedicated to testing, so do you think > that things would work just as well in a VirtualBox Guest? At this > time that is my only option, so I hope that I can help with testing. I had issues running the x86_64 ISO in a VirtualBox guest due to a bug [1] but as it now says "fix committed", there's a chance it'll be fixed if you use the daily live CD. If you're running the x86 ISO, you should be fine (unless you hit another bug). But anyway, even if your testing consists in working out you can't run it in VirtualBox, it's still valuable feeback! [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/850264 Cheers, Bruno From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 22:58:10 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert cole) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:58:10 -0800 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F208719.1020709@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> <4F1F3EB1.1000909@gmail.com> <4F208719.1020709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F208902.9020703@gmail.com> Hello, Bruno. I actually installed the x86 version as a VirtualBox guest, but the HUD will not work for me at all. I added the PPA repository and ran a dist-upgrade. Will it work in both Unity2D and Unity3D? Thai is the only thing I can think of, as even though I have 3D Acceleration enabled for the virtual machine, with a Video Memory size of 186 MB, Unity3D will not come up at all. There is also no cog icon to choose which desktop environment to log into on the login screen. When I press ALT to try to invoke the HUD, nothing happens other than the normal global menu behavior in which a certain letter of a menu (e.g. [F]ile, [E]dit, [V]iew ,etc) is underscored. Am I doing something wrong? On 01/25/2012 02:50 PM, Bruno Girin wrote: > On 24/01/12 23:28, Robert cole wrote: >> Thanks for the link, Bruno. >> >> I am downloading a daily build of the Precise live CD right now. >> Should I use the daily build or should I get something else? >> >> I don't have a physical machine dedicated to testing, so do you think >> that things would work just as well in a VirtualBox Guest? At this >> time that is my only option, so I hope that I can help with testing. > > I had issues running the x86_64 ISO in a VirtualBox guest due to a bug > [1] but as it now says "fix committed", there's a chance it'll be > fixed if you use the daily live CD. If you're running the x86 ISO, you > should be fine (unless you hit another bug). But anyway, even if your > testing consists in working out you can't run it in VirtualBox, it's > still valuable feeback! > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/850264 > > Cheers, > > Bruno > > From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Jan 25 23:07:17 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:07:17 +1100 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F208902.9020703@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> <4F1F3EB1.1000909@gmail.com> <4F208719.1020709@gmail.com> <4F208902.9020703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120125230717.GB3151@acapella> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:58:10AM EST, Robert cole wrote: > Hello, Bruno. > > I actually installed the x86 version as a VirtualBox guest, but the > HUD will not work for me at all. I added the PPA repository and ran > a dist-upgrade. Will it work in both Unity2D and Unity3D? Thai is > the only thing I can think of, as even though I have 3D Acceleration > enabled for the virtual machine, with a Video Memory size of 186 MB, > Unity3D will not come up at all. There is also no cog icon to choose > which desktop environment to log into on the login screen. When I > press ALT to try to invoke the HUD, nothing happens other than the > normal global menu behavior in which a certain letter of a menu > (e.g. [F]ile, [E]dit, [V]iew ,etc) is underscored. No, only unity 3D is getting it for the time being... Another reason why the 2 codebases need to merge into one somehow at some point... Luke From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 00:18:05 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert cole) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:18:05 -0800 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <20120125230717.GB3151@acapella> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> <4F1F3EB1.1000909@gmail.com> <4F208719.1020709@gmail.com> <4F208902.9020703@gmail.com> <20120125230717.GB3151@acapella> Message-ID: <4F209BBD.8010101@gmail.com> Thanks, Luke. I'll try and see if I can find out why Unity3D is not coming up for me in VirtualBox. On 01/25/2012 03:07 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:58:10AM EST, Robert cole wrote: >> Hello, Bruno. >> >> I actually installed the x86 version as a VirtualBox guest, but the >> HUD will not work for me at all. I added the PPA repository and ran >> a dist-upgrade. Will it work in both Unity2D and Unity3D? Thai is >> the only thing I can think of, as even though I have 3D Acceleration >> enabled for the virtual machine, with a Video Memory size of 186 MB, >> Unity3D will not come up at all. There is also no cog icon to choose >> which desktop environment to log into on the login screen. When I >> press ALT to try to invoke the HUD, nothing happens other than the >> normal global menu behavior in which a certain letter of a menu >> (e.g. [F]ile, [E]dit, [V]iew ,etc) is underscored. > No, only unity 3D is getting it for the time being... Another reason why the 2 codebases need to merge into one somehow at some point... > > Luke > From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Jan 26 01:14:03 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:14:03 +1100 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F209BBD.8010101@gmail.com> References: <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> <4F1F3EB1.1000909@gmail.com> <4F208719.1020709@gmail.com> <4F208902.9020703@gmail.com> <20120125230717.GB3151@acapella> <4F209BBD.8010101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120126011403.GA4287@acapella> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:18:05AM EST, Robert cole wrote: > Thanks, Luke. > > I'll try and see if I can find out why Unity3D is not coming up for > me in VirtualBox. You need to make sure you have 3D graphics enabled in the virtual machine settings, and you also need to make sure you have the virtualbox guest support packages installed in the VM itself. Luke From alanbell at ubuntu.com Thu Jan 26 09:11:41 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:11:41 +0000 Subject: Smoother Panning in GNOME Shell Magnifier In-Reply-To: <4F20B3E1.4090601@gmail.com> References: <4F20B3E1.4090601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F2118CD.5070109@ubuntu.com> I guess there must be a performance penalty from polling the mouse so often (can't imagine why that setting exists if there isn't one) and that value is in milliseconds, so 1/1000 of a second. Assuming a screen refresh rate of 60Hz each screen refresh takes 16ms so I think if the setting is put at 15ms then a mouse poll will happen during every screen refresh cycle. From my testing I can't tell the difference between a setting of 15 and a setting of 1. Whatever the performance hit is (I couldn't detect one but a low performance netbook might struggle) I would imagine that a setting of 15 would be easier to argue to move to than 1 because its only a change of about a factor of 3 rather than a factor of 50. Is 15 as good as 1 for you? Alan. On 26/01/12 02:01, Robert cole wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > Well, I did a slight bit of tinkering with the GNOME Shell Magnifier > settings today (I love that I can tinker in Linux!). > > I am not trying to complain by any means, so I hope that this does not > sound as such. I have been trying out Unity2D in Ubuntu 11.10, which I > recently installed onto my desktop system to replace Linux Mint 12. I > love how the GNOME Shell Magnifier is coming along, but at the present > time it does not pan as smoothly as I am used to, which makes it > slightly more difficult to read and to navigate my system. The same > can be said for panning using Compiz's eZoom plugin on a fresh install > of Ubuntu--it does not pan so smoothly either. > > Well...I learned through experience that I could change the value for > Compiz's Mouse position polling plugin to smoothen things out. (Just > for the record, the GNOME Shell Magnifier pans much more smoothly by > default as compared to Compiz's default settings under Unity.) Anyway, > I learned that if I decrease the Mouse Poll Interval from 40 to 1 > panning was very smooth...well...just beautiful to me. > > So today, rather than bother the list by asking where I could find the > settings files for the Zoom feature, I figured I'd do some > exploration. I ran the basic command: > > locate magnifier > > and this file stood out to me: > /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/magnifier.js > > I am not a professional programmer, but I figured I'd take a look at > this file. I fired up nano (after making a backup of the file to my > /home directory) and began reading. I found the following line under > the first set of functions at the top of the file (section comment > below): > > // Keep enums in sync with GSettings schemas > [...] > const MOUSE_POLL_FREQUENCY = 50; > > So I contemplated whether I should change this value from 50 to 1. I > gave in and did it! > > I made the changes from within Unity2D, so I logged out and then > logged into GNOME Shell. I crossed my fingers and then hit CTRL+ALT+M, > the keyboard shortcut I set to activate the magnifier...and...VOILA! > Super smooth panning! This made me love GNOME Shell even more than I > already do! > > My questions as concerning this thread, though, is this: How likely is > it that decreasing this value from 50 to 1 will cause possible > instabilities? Is it set to 50 for any given reason (I am sure there > has to be a reason)? I ask this because it is the same way with > Compiz, but it seems (in either case) that the lower the Poll Interval > (Compiz) or Poll Frequency (GNOME shell Magnifier) the more smoothly > panning is in fullscreen magnification mode. > > In any case, I just wanted to put this on the list to get some input. > As I mentioned earlier, I am definitely not a professional programmer. > I took classes in C++, Visual Basic, and Python throughout the years, > but I the class content was quite basic. > > thanks for any input regarding this subject. I'm really looking > forward to GNOME 3.4! > > Take care. > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From alanbell at ubuntu.com Thu Jan 26 09:17:23 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:17:23 +0000 Subject: HUD in 12.04? In-Reply-To: <4F2118BC.3080009@gmail.com> References: <4F1F1909.7020006@gmail.com> <4F1F2EEA.301@ubuntu.com> <4F1F311A.1090907@gmail.com> <4F1F34EB.9050906@ubuntu.com> <4F1F387C.2040401@gmail.com> <4F1F3B36.8050509@gmail.com> <4F1F3EB1.1000909@gmail.com> <4F208719.1020709@gmail.com> <4F208902.9020703@gmail.com> <4F211435.2030202@ubuntu.com> <4F2118BC.3080009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F211A23.6020505@ubuntu.com> On 26/01/12 09:11, Robert cole wrote: > Hello, Alan. > > I actually did install the Guest Additions through VirtualBox itself. yeah, don't do that :) sudo apt-get install virtualbox--ose-guest-x11 in the guest. > I also installed Ubuntu into the Virtual machine using the blindness > profile using Orca. I am probably going to get the daily live CD > tomorrow and start from scratch. I do not know if there have been any > changes regarding magnification in Unity3D, but I can still use eZoom > on my host system for magnification if it is not available in the guest. I am testing some cool stuff with a fork of eZoom which does text cursor tracking, it works when I have two monitors, but breaks when I turn off the external monitor, which is a pain because I want to do a screencast of it, but it only works when my desktop is too big to screencast. Should be some updates on this soon. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk From vilmar at informal.com.br Fri Jan 27 14:25:22 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:25:22 -0200 Subject: problems to access the network manager Message-ID: <4F22B3D2.9070504@informal.com.br> Hi all. Running ubuntu 11.10, how can I access the network manager? I press the f10 key and use left and right arrows to locate the menu related to network. After I find the menu, I press down and up but nothing is read by orca. Any help would be appreciate. Thanks. From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Fri Jan 27 18:29:28 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:29:28 +0000 Subject: problems to access the network manager In-Reply-To: <4F22B3D2.9070504@informal.com.br> References: <4F22B3D2.9070504@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <4F22ED08.2030705@virginmedia.com> Hi, Strangely, the items in the network menu in Unity-2D are brailled but not spoken. They are spoken if Unity-3D is being used. You should find that the top item in the menu is "edit connections" which is I think what you want. Paul On 27/01/12 14:25, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all. > > Running ubuntu 11.10, how can I access the network manager? > I press the f10 key and use left and right arrows to locate the menu > related to network. After I find the menu, I press down and up but > nothing is read by orca. > > Any help would be appreciate. > Thanks. > From vilmar at informal.com.br Fri Jan 27 21:36:02 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:36:02 -0200 Subject: problems to access the network manager In-Reply-To: <4F22ED08.2030705@virginmedia.com> References: <4F22B3D2.9070504@informal.com.br> <4F22ED08.2030705@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <4F2318C2.9010601@informal.com.br> Hi, I find some tracebacks in debug created by orca. I filed the following bug to orca team: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668880 On 01/27/2012 04:29 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > Strangely, the items in the network menu in Unity-2D are brailled but > not spoken. > > They are spoken if Unity-3D is being used. > > You should find that the top item in the menu is "edit connections" > which is I think what you want. > > > Paul > > > On 27/01/12 14:25, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> Running ubuntu 11.10, how can I access the network manager? >> I press the f10 key and use left and right arrows to locate the menu >> related to network. After I find the menu, I press down and up but >> nothing is read by orca. >> >> Any help would be appreciate. >> Thanks. >> > > From gene5402 at austin.rr.com Sat Jan 28 05:04:54 2012 From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:04:54 -0600 Subject: Think I discovered something Message-ID: <7D18A224D43A470AB547A44F77A7A092@supersystem> Hello, ok so I got ubuntu installed and think I might have come across a bug. I tried booting the disk on about 3 system with the same result, when ever the cd finishes booting I don't hear the drums, and a friend of mine tried it out on his system and he didn't hear the drums either. I suspect this might be happening to some others as well. What I discovered, is that the reason why the drums sound is not being heard, is because the volume defaults to all the way down, and this can be varified if you happen to have phisical volume keys on your keyboard or laptop and you press the volume up you can hear a kind of knocking sound that gets louder or softer depending on whither you're turning the volume up or down. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.schmude at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 05:43:17 2012 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (jacob schmude) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:43:17 -0800 Subject: Think I discovered something In-Reply-To: <7D18A224D43A470AB547A44F77A7A092@supersystem> References: <7D18A224D43A470AB547A44F77A7A092@supersystem> Message-ID: Hi Gene Which live CD are you trying out, 11.10 or 12.04? I'm curious, since I've seen this problem on the 11.10 disks (not tried 12.04 yet), but it only happens on one of my systems. On my Desktop (I'll give specs if that would help) this occurs, however on my laptop the volume defaults to about 70% and I can hear the drums just fine. The Audio chips are different (Realtek ALC662 on my desktop and a generic hda-intel device on my laptop) however they both use the hda-intel driver. On 1/27/12, gene richburg wrote: > Hello, ok so I got ubuntu installed and think I might have come across a > bug. I tried booting the disk on about 3 system with the same result, when > ever the cd finishes booting I don't hear the drums, and a friend of mine > tried it out on his system and he didn't hear the drums either. I suspect > this might be happening to some others as well. What I discovered, is that > the reason why the drums sound is not being heard, is because the volume > defaults to all the way down, and this can be varified if you happen to have > phisical volume keys on your keyboard or laptop and you press the volume up > you can hear a kind of knocking sound that gets louder or softer depending > on whither you're turning the volume up or down. From jdashiel at shellworld.net Sat Jan 28 09:40:10 2012 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:40:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Think I discovered something In-Reply-To: <7D18A224D43A470AB547A44F77A7A092@supersystem> References: <7D18A224D43A470AB547A44F77A7A092@supersystem> Message-ID: That's one of Ubuntu's known features and is one of the reasons the vinux distribution is available for download. It doesn't do that.On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, gene richburg wrote: > Hello, ok so I got ubuntu installed and think I might have come across a bug. I tried booting the disk on about 3 system with the same result, when ever the cd finishes booting I don't hear the drums, and a friend of mine tried it out on his system and he didn't hear the drums either. I suspect this might be happening to some others as well. What I discovered, is that the reason why the drums sound is not being heard, is because the volume defaults to all the way down, and this can be varified if you happen to have phisical volume keys on your keyboard or laptop and you press the volume up you can hear a kind of knocking sound that gets louder or softer depending on whither you're turning the volume up or down. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jude From gene5402 at austin.rr.com Sat Jan 28 15:15:22 2012 From: gene5402 at austin.rr.com (gene richburg) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:15:22 -0600 Subject: some more questions Message-ID: <1FCD233E3E9E4A3481342D0FB2B72E87@supersystem> Hi does anybody know how to get braille working in orca? I'm using v11 of ubuntu, orca is talking, and I've went into the orca prefferences and to the braille page and enabled braille and pressed the apply button but I still don't get any braille all I get on the display is that message screen is not in text mode and I don't know how to get it into text mmode. Also is there a good tutorial for the blind to help me to get a good fiel for ubuntu? Thanks for any help anybody can give me. Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gErvin at cableone.net Sat Jan 28 17:27:54 2012 From: gErvin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:27:54 -0600 Subject: disk partitioning- free space Message-ID: <87FD9090E7B44E66A26C8BE812757845@your2c061f0461> Hi, I have an Asus 901, and there are two partitions and some free space. I'm pretty sure that the two partitions are two separate SSD drives. One is a 4GB and the other is an 8GB. There are a lot of errors, and I don't know if I can repair them, or if I need to order a new SSD and replace it. I am about to install Ubuntu on the 4GB partition, which is /dev/sda. Windows installer said that the partitions have too many errors to install windows. But there is 69MB of free space that I would like to reclaim, I think it it is part of /dev/sdb. I only noticed it in the Ubuntu installer, and I could not figure out how to remove it or increase the size of /dev/sdb to use all of it. What would be the best commands in parted to accomplish this? Thanks. Glenn From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Jan 29 22:54:44 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:54:44 +1100 Subject: problems to access the network manager In-Reply-To: <4F2318C2.9010601@informal.com.br> References: <4F22B3D2.9070504@informal.com.br> <4F22ED08.2030705@virginmedia.com> <4F2318C2.9010601@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <20120129225444.GA28391@acapella> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 08:36:02AM EST, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > I find some tracebacks in debug created by orca. > I filed the following bug to orca team: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668880 I should also note that as of 12.04, you should get more information about networks that your computer can see wirelessly, i.e when you move through the network menu and hear wireless networks in range, you will hear signal strength and security status. This is not yet in 12.04, as the supporting code only landed late last week. I will be working on the rest of the implementation this week, and will notify all users testing precise when it is ready for testing. Luke