From sath.linux at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 00:58:17 2012 From: sath.linux at gmail.com (sathayn linux) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:28:17 +0530 Subject: Lios 1.5 Released Message-ID: Linux-intelligent-ocr-solution-1.5 Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image or Folder containing Images. Program is given total accessibility for visually impaired. Lios is written in python, and we release it under GPL3 license. Lios will work with Debian based operating systems. There are great many possibilities for this program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback Nalin.x.Linux at Gmail.com HOW TO INSTALL Download latest deb file from here http://code.google.com/p/linux-intelligent-ocr-solution/downloads/list open it and install What is new in Lios-1.5 1. Options to change Font, Font color and Background Color, 2. New unified preferences with Pages - General, Scanning, Recognition and Cam-scan, 3. Angle for Manuel-rotation is shifted to Preferences, 4. Option to switch off voice message, 5. Progress-Bar for all operations, 6. New Spell-checker with "Ignore-all","change-all" and Context, 7. Implementation of threading, 8. Preferences for controlling volume pitch and rate, 9. Strengthened audio converter, 10. Brightness optimizer with instant progress reporting, 11. Fast and efficient ocr-pdf, 12. Find, Go-to-line and Go-to-Page are made more easy. Features. 1 Single scan & Repeated Scanning, 2 Ocr Folder, 3 Ocr Pdf, 4 Ocr image only, 5 24 Language support (Given at the end), 30 more languages can be installed in Tesseract, 6 Full GUI environment, scan to user interface, ocr user interface image, and extra user interface options including image rotation, zoom options, Re-O,C,R the current image and feedback., 7 Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of pages to scan, 8 Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between repeated scanning, 9 Full Auto Rotation(Dutch, English, French, German, Russian,Spanish) 10 Brightness optimizer, 11 Audio converter, 12 Easily Accessible Preferences Window, 13 2 OCR Engines (CUNEIFORM,TESSERACT), 14 Good text manipulation with Find, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line, Append file, and Punch File, 15 Display Preferences for Low vision, 16 Dictionary Support for English(Artha) 17 Spell-checker, 18 Provision for submitting issues, 19 Options for save, load and reset settings, 20 TTS preferences for controlling volume pitch and rate, 21 Cam-Scan, 22 And more features are in the preferences. FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * From sath.linux at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 17:19:37 2012 From: sath.linux at gmail.com (sathayn linux) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:49:37 +0530 Subject: Lios bug fixed and Released as 1.5.1. also source made available ! Message-ID: Linux-intelligent-ocr-solution-1.5.1 Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image or Folder containing Images. Program is given total accessibility for visually impaired. Lios is written in python, and we release it under GPL3 license. Lios will work with Debian based operating systems. There are great many possibilities for this program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback Nalin.x.Linux at Gmail.com Debfile http://code.google.com/p/linux-intelligent-ocr-solution/downloads/list Source http://code.google.com/p/linux-intelligent-ocr-solution/source/browse/ -- *Mob : +919446012215 FREE SOFTWARE FREE SOCIETY * From nolan at thewordnerd.info Tue Nov 6 06:28:01 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:28:01 -0600 Subject: Orca is extremely broken Message-ID: <5098ADF1.2060507@thewordnerd.info> This is such an odd problem and I don't know what caused it or how to solve it. I put away my laptop in the morning, literally just woke it up in the evening, and the Orca key doesn't work. No Orca commands (t for time, review, etc.) do anything. Caps lock isn't treated like it would be without Orca filtering it out, but it does not do any of the Orca commands. I removed my Orca configuration and reset back to defaults. Insert exhibits the same behavior. That is, it doesn't trigger the Orca keys. Additionally, I can no longer arrow through web content. I can only tab. Carrot browsing has no effect on this. I also lost access to the Unity launcher. Switching to the GNOME session has no effect. I know it sounds like I did something, but all I did was put this thing to sleep. I did wake it up and apply all updates, but nothing makes a difference. How do I debug this? I get that accessibility of 12.10 isn't guaranteed, but it seems silly that it should work fine, then break utterly with no apparent cause. Thanks. From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Nov 6 22:39:31 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:39:31 +1100 Subject: Orca is extremely broken In-Reply-To: <5098ADF1.2060507@thewordnerd.info> References: <5098ADF1.2060507@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <20121106223931.GB4012@acapella.yelavich.home> On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 05:28:01PM EST, Nolan Darilek wrote: > How do I debug this? > > I get that accessibility of 12.10 isn't guaranteed, but it seems > silly that it should work fine, then break utterly with no apparent > cause. I'd be interested to know if this problem regularly appears after a restart, and then suspend/resume again. I was using 12.10 all of last week during UDS, and suspended and resumed regularly, with no ill effects with Orca usage and capslock. I also wonder whether capslock and insert behave normally under normal circumstances on the hardware you have. If this has only recently started occurring, there is every chance that an update has broken something slightly somewhere, in which case I can only advise trying a live CD and suspending/resuming with the live CD, and observing behavior post resume. Luke From jdashiel at shellworld.net Tue Nov 6 23:44:04 2012 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 18:44:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Orca is extremely broken In-Reply-To: <5098ADF1.2060507@thewordnerd.info> References: <5098ADF1.2060507@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: it's a long shot, but you might try reinstalling orca with all dependencies. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- jude Adobe fiend for failing to Flash From nolan at thewordnerd.info Wed Nov 7 17:06:25 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:06:25 -0600 Subject: Orca is extremely broken In-Reply-To: <20121106223931.GB4012@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <5098ADF1.2060507@thewordnerd.info> <20121106223931.GB4012@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <509A9511.7010901@thewordnerd.info> Not sure what the ultimate problem was, but I blew away my ~/.config/dconf directory, rebooted and caps lock started working again. Very odd failure case, and I have no clue what changed in my configuration to break things that utterly. On 11/06/2012 04:39 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 05:28:01PM EST, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> How do I debug this? >> >> I get that accessibility of 12.10 isn't guaranteed, but it seems >> silly that it should work fine, then break utterly with no apparent >> cause. > I'd be interested to know if this problem regularly appears after a restart, and then suspend/resume again. I was using 12.10 all of last week during UDS, and suspended and resumed regularly, with no ill effects with Orca usage and capslock. I also wonder whether capslock and insert behave normally under normal circumstances on the hardware you have. > > If this has only recently started occurring, there is every chance that an update has broken something slightly somewhere, in which case I can only advise trying a live CD and suspending/resuming with the live CD, and observing behavior post resume. > > Luke > From kd7cyu at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 16:31:24 2012 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:31:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Accessibility of kde Message-ID: What is the current state of accessibility with kde? In either 12.04 or 12.10. Tom From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Nov 11 23:12:28 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:12:28 +1100 Subject: Accessibility of kde In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121111231228.GA4744@acapella.yelavich.home> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 03:31:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: > What is the current state of accessibility with kde? In either > 12.04 or 12.10. I believe that there is still much to be done. Some individual applications range from working well to not working at all, but I believe the KDe shell is certainly still not accessible. Luke From d.dalton at iinet.net.au Wed Nov 21 13:03:16 2012 From: d.dalton at iinet.net.au (Daniel Dalton) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 00:03:16 +1100 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions Message-ID: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> Hi, I'm currently a vision impaired user of debian, but I'm trying out ubuntu and potentially looking to make a switch. However I've ran into some problems: 1. How do I see the list of all my applications? I press the windows key and then attempt to arrow around, but this does not work. I read that this is the method to view the entire application list with unity... So how to do this with orca? Also, on a bit of a side note, what is a better choice from an accessibility point of view, gnome-shell or unity? Is there some reason why unity is the default on ubuntu? 2. In Some applications are not working quite right. In Libreoffice calc when I use the arrow keys to navigate the spread sheet I do not get any spoken feedback from orca. Also in both writer and calc (possibly other apps, but that's all I've tested so far) I can not access the menu bar by using alt or alt+f. Is there a solution to this one? 3. I've just installed emacspeak from source on ubuntu, using espeak. When I run emacspeak with espeak I experience regular crashes on average one every few minutes. Obviously this is quite annoying, so I was hoping there might be a fix around. I'm also experiencing almost identical problem on debian, but my best solution so far is to revert back to alsa. Is this also the best solution for ubuntu? I'm presuming this will also be an issue when I get around to installing speakup, as it was on debian also. 4. My final problem: I'm attempting to build and install speakup as kernel modules. First I tried installing module-assistant and doing the following as root: m-a prepare m-a a-i speakup The build process failed though. Is my best option for now to build the modules from source out of git? If anyone can help with any of this I'd grately appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Daniel From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Nov 21 13:36:43 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:36:43 -0200 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> Message-ID: <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> Hi Daniel, I'll try to answer some questions, but first I've some questions. What version of ubuntu are you running? Are you running unity 2d or unity 3d? See my answers below your questions. > > 1. How do I see the list of all my applications? I press the windows key > and then attempt to arrow around, but this does not work. I read that > this is the method to view the entire application list with unity... > So how to do this with orca? The win key or the alt+f1 is used to see the list of the prefered applications or the running applications. I never found how to se all applications using unity 2d. > Also, on a bit of a side note, what is a better choice from an > accessibility point of view, gnome-shell or unity? Is there some reason > why unity is the default on ubuntu? Personally I prefer gnome-shell, but canonical decided to adopt unity as the default. > 2. In Some applications are not working quite right. In Libreoffice calc > when I use the arrow keys to navigate the spread sheet I do not get any > spoken feedback from orca. > Also in both writer and calc (possibly other apps, but that's all I've > tested so far) I can not access the menu bar by using alt or alt+f. > Is there a solution to this one? Did you try the f10 key to access the menu bar? > 3. I've just installed emacspeak from source on ubuntu, using > espeak. When I run emacspeak with espeak I experience regular crashes on > average one every few minutes. > Obviously this is quite annoying, so I was hoping there might be a fix > around. > I'm also experiencing almost identical problem on debian, but my best > solution so far is to revert back to alsa. Is this also the best > solution for ubuntu? I can not say about this topic, but I think that it is not so easy revert to alsa in ubuntu. > I'm presuming this will also be an issue when I get around to installing > speakup, as it was on debian also. > > 4. My final problem: I'm attempting to build and install speakup as > kernel modules. > First I tried installing module-assistant and doing the following as > root: > m-a prepare > m-a a-i speakup > > The build process failed though. Is my best option for now to build the > modules from source out of git? > you do not need build speakup in ubuntu because there is a package. sudo apt-get install speakup espeakup This will generate some errors but you can ignore them. The problem is that you can not use speakup and the gui environment using the same login. What I do in general is to login in the console as root and su - my real login. > If anyone can help with any of this I'd grately appreciate it. > I hope this can help in some way. > Thanks in advance, > Daniel > -- {}S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 15:02:34 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:02:34 -0600 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <50ACED0A.4040807@gmail.com> To get a list of all of the applications installed on a system using Unity 2D on a Ubuntu 12.04 system, tap the Super key to bring up the dash. Now arrow down and over and press the enter key on the applications button. Now down arrow and press the enter key on the installed node in the tree and then arrow around to see the applications installed on your system. On 21/11/12 07:36, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Daniel, > I'll try to answer some questions, but first I've some questions. > What version of ubuntu are you running? > Are you running unity 2d or unity 3d? > > See my answers below your questions. > > > >> >> 1. How do I see the list of all my applications? I press the windows key >> and then attempt to arrow around, but this does not work. I read that >> this is the method to view the entire application list with unity... >> So how to do this with orca? > > The win key or the alt+f1 is used to see the list of the prefered > applications or the running applications. > I never found how to se all applications using unity 2d. > >> Also, on a bit of a side note, what is a better choice from an >> accessibility point of view, gnome-shell or unity? Is there some reason >> why unity is the default on ubuntu? > > Personally I prefer gnome-shell, but canonical decided to adopt unity as > the default. > >> 2. In Some applications are not working quite right. In Libreoffice calc >> when I use the arrow keys to navigate the spread sheet I do not get any >> spoken feedback from orca. >> Also in both writer and calc (possibly other apps, but that's all I've >> tested so far) I can not access the menu bar by using alt or alt+f. >> Is there a solution to this one? > Did you try the f10 key to access the menu bar? > >> 3. I've just installed emacspeak from source on ubuntu, using >> espeak. When I run emacspeak with espeak I experience regular crashes on >> average one every few minutes. >> Obviously this is quite annoying, so I was hoping there might be a fix >> around. >> I'm also experiencing almost identical problem on debian, but my best >> solution so far is to revert back to alsa. Is this also the best >> solution for ubuntu? > I can not say about this topic, but I think that it is not so easy > revert to alsa in ubuntu. > >> I'm presuming this will also be an issue when I get around to installing >> speakup, as it was on debian also. >> >> 4. My final problem: I'm attempting to build and install speakup as >> kernel modules. >> First I tried installing module-assistant and doing the following as >> root: >> m-a prepare >> m-a a-i speakup >> >> The build process failed though. Is my best option for now to build the >> modules from source out of git? >> > you do not need build speakup in ubuntu because there is a package. > sudo apt-get install speakup espeakup > > This will generate some errors but you can ignore them. > > The problem is that you can not use speakup and the gui environment > using the same login. > What I do in general is to login in the console as root and su - my real > login. > >> If anyone can help with any of this I'd grately appreciate it. >> I hope this can help in some way. >> Thanks in advance, >> Daniel >> > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From d.dalton at iinet.net.au Wed Nov 21 23:07:39 2012 From: d.dalton at iinet.net.au (Daniel Dalton) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:07:39 +1100 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <50ACED0A.4040807@gmail.com> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> <50ACED0A.4040807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20121121230739.GA4601@gwsc.vic.edu.au> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:02:34AM -0600, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > To get a list of all of the applications installed on a system using > Unity 2D on a Ubuntu 12.04 system, tap the Super key to bring up the > dash. Now arrow down and over and press the enter key on the > applications button. Now down arrow and press the enter key on the > installed node in the tree and then arrow around to see the applications > installed on your system. Hmm didn't quite work for me - I'm running 12.10 though. I might try gnome-shell first anyway, otherwise I'l keep trying :) Thanks for your help. Dan From d.dalton at iinet.net.au Wed Nov 21 23:21:28 2012 From: d.dalton at iinet.net.au (Daniel Dalton) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:21:28 +1100 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <20121121232127.GA4043@gwsc.vic.edu.au> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:36:43AM -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Daniel, Hi José, > What version of ubuntu are you running? 12.10 > Are you running unity 2d or unity 3d? Not sure, is there a method to check? I just installed straight from the livecd as of last night, so what would that likely mean? > > >1. How do I see the list of all my applications? I press the windows key > >and then attempt to arrow around, but this does not work. I read that > >this is the method to view the entire application list with unity... > >So how to do this with orca? > > The win key or the alt+f1 is used to see the list of the prefered > applications or the running applications. > I never found how to se all applications using unity 2d. Yes I'm finding the same can find common application, but not all. Oh well that's not a huge problem for me atm. > > >Also, on a bit of a side note, what is a better choice from an > >accessibility point of view, gnome-shell or unity? Is there some reason > >why unity is the default on ubuntu? > > Personally I prefer gnome-shell, but canonical decided to adopt > unity as the default. I suppose I'll try gnome-shell on ubuntu then I can decide which one to go with easily. I'm use to gnome-shell so maybe that's why I'm having some bad luck with unity. > >2. In Some applications are not working quite right. In Libreoffice calc > >when I use the arrow keys to navigate the spread sheet I do not get any > >spoken feedback from orca. > >Also in both writer and calc (possibly other apps, but that's all I've > >tested so far) I can not access the menu bar by using alt or alt+f. > >Is there a solution to this one? > Did you try the f10 key to access the menu bar? Does not work. If I press alt by itself I hear somethin hud or hub. Using arrows does not do anything here though. I'll try gnome-shell though and hopefully this problem might disappear. > > >3. I've just installed emacspeak from source on ubuntu, using > >espeak. When I run emacspeak with espeak I experience regular crashes on > >average one every few minutes. > >Obviously this is quite annoying, so I was hoping there might be a fix > >around. > >I'm also experiencing almost identical problem on debian, but my best > >solution so far is to revert back to alsa. Is this also the best > >solution for ubuntu? > I can not say about this topic, but I think that it is not so easy > revert to alsa in ubuntu. Yes, your probably right. > > >I'm presuming this will also be an issue when I get around to installing > >speakup, as it was on debian also. > > > >4. My final problem: I'm attempting to build and install speakup as > >kernel modules. > >First I tried installing module-assistant and doing the following as > >root: > >m-a prepare > >m-a a-i speakup > > > >The build process failed though. Is my best option for now to build the > >modules from source out of git? > > > you do not need build speakup in ubuntu because there is a package. > sudo apt-get install speakup espeakup Thanks for clarifying made it a lot easier!:) > The problem is that you can not use speakup and the gui environment > using the same login. > What I do in general is to login in the console as root and su - my > real login. Hmm, this is very interesting. Do we know why yet? Because would speakup/espeakup be running as root anyway? Maybe this is a pulseaudio issue again similar to what I found on debian, but then again it also seems quite different. I shall keep investigating anyway. > >I hope this can help in some way. It is very helpful, thank you very much. Daniel From ethanak at polip.com Thu Nov 22 07:08:51 2012 From: ethanak at polip.com (Bohdan R. Rau) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:08:51 +0100 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <70b10677422d9aeb1c02791fdfc7b082@mail.setia.pl> W dniu 2012-11-21 14:36, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza napisał(a): > The problem is that you can not use speakup and the gui environment > using the same login. I solved this problem running pulseaudio in system mode with no authorization. As I'm not regular orca/speakup user I can't say everything will run without problems in this mode - but it works for me (Ubuntu 12.04). I also do not use espeakup, but self-made equivalent of speechd-up (downloadable from http://tts.polip.com/files/spdup/spdup-0.6.3.tar.gz) One bad effect: just after boot, if I run speechd-up from boot sequence, both speakup and gnome login screen starts to talk together. But it's also good effect: you can hear messages from console even in graphic mode. ethanak -- http://milena.polip.com/ - Pa pa, Ivonko! From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Nov 22 15:28:30 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:28:30 +0100 Subject: New skype 4.1.0.20 version experiences with Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: <50AE43FD.5040808@pickup.hu> References: <50AE43FD.5040808@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <50AE449E.8050402@pickup.hu> Hy, This day my Ubuntu 12.04 system upgraded with Skype from 4.0.8 version to 4.1.0.20 version, but the proposed repository awailable my system. When the upgrade is happened, the old installed skype package are removed my system, and a new skype-bin package are installed. Ubuntu partner repository now following version awailable, but only possible the proposed repository: 4.1.0.20-0ubuntu0.11.10.1 Changelog says following, this is a very fast upgrade: "skype (4.1.0.20-0ubuntu0.11.10.1) oneiric; urgency=low * New upstream release, bumping skype-bin replaces/breaks. LP: #1079348. * Add build-dependency on libqtwebkit-dev. * Mark library build-dependencies as i386-only. -- Steve Langasek Wed, 21 Nov 2012" Hopefuly only my system I have following experience: 1. Login screen is total inaccessible my machine. I hear only Orca screen reader with a "filler ctrl+Q" message. When I moving between dialogue widgets with TAB and SHIFT+TAB key combinations, actual vidgets are Orca not spokening. I only possible to log in the new version if I using following command into terminal: echo "skype_username skype_password" |skype --pipelogin The prewious version the login dialog are wonderful accessible, but now, only screen reader use graphical way impossible to log in. Hopefuly other people not have same experiences, but if want keeping the 4.0.8 version, please hold the skype package before upgrade and careful! Have an official report possibility to report this problem? Oldest time I reported some issues with Skype bug tracker, but nothing happened. Very need to land this version into Precise? Attila From vilmar at informal.com.br Thu Nov 22 18:19:39 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:19:39 -0200 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <20121121232127.GA4043@gwsc.vic.edu.au> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> <20121121232127.GA4043@gwsc.vic.edu.au> Message-ID: <50AE6CBB.7010903@informal.com.br> Hi Daniel. If you installed ubuntu using orca, unity 2d is configured by default. In the login screen you can change to unity or to gnome-shell, but you need to install gnome-shell. On 11/21/2012 09:21 PM, Daniel Dalton wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:36:43AM -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >> Hi Daniel, > > Hi José, > >> What version of ubuntu are you running? > > 12.10 > >> Are you running unity 2d or unity 3d? > > Not sure, is there a method to check? > I just installed straight from the livecd as of last night, so what > would that likely mean? >> > >>> 1. How do I see the list of all my applications? I press the windows key >>> and then attempt to arrow around, but this does not work. I read that >>> this is the method to view the entire application list with unity... >>> So how to do this with orca? >> >> The win key or the alt+f1 is used to see the list of the prefered >> applications or the running applications. >> I never found how to se all applications using unity 2d. > > Yes I'm finding the same can find common application, but not all. Oh > well that's not a huge problem for me atm. > >> >>> Also, on a bit of a side note, what is a better choice from an >>> accessibility point of view, gnome-shell or unity? Is there some reason >>> why unity is the default on ubuntu? >> >> Personally I prefer gnome-shell, but canonical decided to adopt >> unity as the default. > > I suppose I'll try gnome-shell on ubuntu then I can decide which one to > go with easily. > I'm use to gnome-shell so maybe that's why I'm having some bad luck with > unity. >>> 2. In Some applications are not working quite right. In Libreoffice calc >>> when I use the arrow keys to navigate the spread sheet I do not get any >>> spoken feedback from orca. >>> Also in both writer and calc (possibly other apps, but that's all I've >>> tested so far) I can not access the menu bar by using alt or alt+f. >>> Is there a solution to this one? >> Did you try the f10 key to access the menu bar? > > Does not work. If I press alt by itself I hear somethin hud or hub. > Using arrows does not do anything here though. > I'll try gnome-shell though and hopefully this problem might disappear. > >> >>> 3. I've just installed emacspeak from source on ubuntu, using >>> espeak. When I run emacspeak with espeak I experience regular crashes on >>> average one every few minutes. >>> Obviously this is quite annoying, so I was hoping there might be a fix >>> around. >>> I'm also experiencing almost identical problem on debian, but my best >>> solution so far is to revert back to alsa. Is this also the best >>> solution for ubuntu? >> I can not say about this topic, but I think that it is not so easy >> revert to alsa in ubuntu. > > Yes, your probably right. > >> >>> I'm presuming this will also be an issue when I get around to installing >>> speakup, as it was on debian also. >>> >>> 4. My final problem: I'm attempting to build and install speakup as >>> kernel modules. >>> First I tried installing module-assistant and doing the following as >>> root: >>> m-a prepare >>> m-a a-i speakup >>> >>> The build process failed though. Is my best option for now to build the >>> modules from source out of git? >>> >> you do not need build speakup in ubuntu because there is a package. >> sudo apt-get install speakup espeakup > > Thanks for clarifying made it a lot easier!:) >> The problem is that you can not use speakup and the gui environment >> using the same login. >> What I do in general is to login in the console as root and su - my >> real login. > > Hmm, this is very interesting. Do we know why yet? Because would > speakup/espeakup be running as root anyway? > Maybe this is a pulseaudio issue again similar to what I found on > debian, but then again it also seems quite different. > I shall keep investigating anyway. > >>> I hope this can help in some way. > > It is very helpful, thank you very much. > > Daniel > -- {}S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza From d.dalton at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 23 03:45:25 2012 From: d.dalton at iinet.net.au (Daniel Dalton) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:45:25 +1100 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <50AE6CBB.7010903@informal.com.br> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> <20121121232127.GA4043@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50AE6CBB.7010903@informal.com.br> Message-ID: <20121123034525.GC4720@gwsc.vic.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 04:19:39PM -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Daniel. > If you installed ubuntu using orca, unity 2d is configured by default. Hi José, Yep, that must be it since it is what I did. > In the login screen you can change to unity or to gnome-shell, but > you need to install gnome-shell. Yes - I did that and gnome-shell seems to be better for me. The problem accessing the menu bars went away (in my first post) and can now navigate the desktop easier it seems :) Thanks for your help. Dan From d.dalton at iinet.net.au Fri Nov 23 03:47:35 2012 From: d.dalton at iinet.net.au (Daniel Dalton) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:47:35 +1100 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <70b10677422d9aeb1c02791fdfc7b082@mail.setia.pl> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> <70b10677422d9aeb1c02791fdfc7b082@mail.setia.pl> Message-ID: <20121123034735.GD4720@gwsc.vic.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:08:51AM +0100, Bohdan R. Rau wrote: > W dniu 2012-11-21 14:36, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza napisał(a): > > >The problem is that you can not use speakup and the gui environment > >using the same login. > > I solved this problem running pulseaudio in system mode with no > authorization. As I'm not regular orca/speakup user I can't say > everything will run without problems in this mode - but it works for > me (Ubuntu 12.04). I also do not use espeakup, but self-made How did you configure this? I uncommented the start line from /etc/init/pulseaudio.conf However, got no sound on my next reboot. I'm guessing because the GUI is still trying to start its own pulseaudio daemon - couldn't figure out how to stop this. Cheers, Dan From ethanak at polip.com Fri Nov 23 05:28:14 2012 From: ethanak at polip.com (Bohdan R. Rau) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 06:28:14 +0100 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: <20121123034735.GD4720@gwsc.vic.edu.au> References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> <70b10677422d9aeb1c02791fdfc7b082@mail.setia.pl> <20121123034735.GD4720@gwsc.vic.edu.au> Message-ID: W dniu 2012-11-23 04:47, Daniel Dalton napisał(a): > How did you configure this? > I uncommented the start line from /etc/init/pulseaudio.conf It's not enough. 1) in file /etc/pulse/system.pa locate line: load-module module-native-protocol-unix and change it to: load-module module-native-protocol-unix auth-anonymous=1 2) in file /etc/pulse/client.conf uncomment line containing 'autospawn' and change to: autospawn = no After reboot, if you have uncommented start in pulseaudio.conf - you should have pulseaudio working for all users. ethanak -- http://milena.polip.com/ - Pa pa, Ivonko! From krecoun at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 08:34:24 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?=) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:34:24 +0100 Subject: New skype 4.1.0.20 version experiences with Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: <50AE449E.8050402@pickup.hu> References: <50AE43FD.5040808@pickup.hu> <50AE449E.8050402@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <50B1D810.4030601@gmail.com> Hi, I am holding mentioned version, but a new version appeared in my list of updates recently: 4.1.0.20.0-0ubuntu0.12.04.1 Have you tried this version as well? Vojta Dne 22.11.2012 16:28, Hammer Attila napsal(a): > Hy, > > This day my Ubuntu 12.04 system upgraded with Skype from 4.0.8 version > to 4.1.0.20 version, but the proposed repository awailable my system. > When the upgrade is happened, the old installed skype package are > removed my system, and a new skype-bin package are installed. > Ubuntu partner repository now following version awailable, but only > possible the proposed repository: 4.1.0.20-0ubuntu0.11.10.1 > Changelog says following, this is a very fast upgrade: > "skype (4.1.0.20-0ubuntu0.11.10.1) oneiric; urgency=low > > * New upstream release, bumping skype-bin replaces/breaks. LP: > #1079348. > * Add build-dependency on libqtwebkit-dev. > * Mark library build-dependencies as i386-only. > > -- Steve Langasek Wed, 21 Nov 2012" > > Hopefuly only my system I have following experience: > 1. Login screen is total inaccessible my machine. I hear only Orca > screen reader with a "filler ctrl+Q" message. When I moving between > dialogue widgets with TAB and SHIFT+TAB key combinations, actual > vidgets are Orca not spokening. I only possible to log in the new > version if I using following command into terminal: > echo "skype_username skype_password" |skype --pipelogin > The prewious version the login dialog are wonderful accessible, but > now, only screen reader use graphical way impossible to log in. > Hopefuly other people not have same experiences, but if want keeping > the 4.0.8 version, please hold the skype package before upgrade and > careful! > > Have an official report possibility to report this problem? Oldest > time I reported some issues with Skype bug tracker, but nothing happened. > Very need to land this version into Precise? > > Attila > From d.dalton at iinet.net.au Mon Nov 26 04:45:32 2012 From: d.dalton at iinet.net.au (Daniel Dalton) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:45:32 +1100 Subject: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions In-Reply-To: References: <20121121130315.GB5622@gwsc.vic.edu.au> <50ACD8EB.6090108@informal.com.br> <70b10677422d9aeb1c02791fdfc7b082@mail.setia.pl> <20121123034735.GD4720@gwsc.vic.edu.au> Message-ID: <20121126044532.GB10563@gwsc.vic.edu.au> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 06:28:14AM +0100, Bohdan R. Rau wrote: > W dniu 2012-11-23 04:47, Daniel Dalton napisał(a): > > >How did you configure this? > >I uncommented the start line from /etc/init/pulseaudio.conf > > It's not enough. Thanks. I'll give this a go. Cheers, Dan From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Nov 26 04:50:43 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:50:43 +0100 Subject: New skype 4.1.0.20 version experiences with Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: <50B1D810.4030601@gmail.com> References: <50AE43FD.5040808@pickup.hu> <50AE449E.8050402@pickup.hu> <50B1D810.4030601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B2F523.1050509@pickup.hu> Hy Vojta, I tryed this version now, results equals the login screen related. I reported this issue with following bug report, hopefuly I reported the experienced issue with good bug tracker: https://jira.skype.com/browse/SCL-931 Attila