From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Oct 1 14:06:06 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:06:06 +0200 Subject: Orca braille feature not working in Ubuntu 12.10? Message-ID: <5069A34E.80909@pickup.hu> Hy, I downloaded yesterday with Ubuntu 12.10 current daily live CD. I have got an Alva Satelite 570 braille display. Prewious Ubuntu 12.04.1 live CD wonderful detecting this braille display, launch proper with Brltty service, and possible using Orca braille support with native Brltty or Liblouis contracted braille. I surprised little after I enabled in Orca preferences dialog the braille page with braille support and click Ok button. Unfortunately, Orca native Brltty support possible not working in Ubuntu 12.10? After I click OK button, nothing changed. If I restart Orca, braille still not working. I verifyed in console working Brltty or not. I switch console with ALT+F1 key combination. If Brltty right running, I see console related messages. In Ubuntu 12.10 I see "screen not in text mode" message. Any braille user possible confirming this? If I using an Ubuntu 12.04.1 live CD, Brltty right starting if my USB braille display is connected. In Ubuntu Quantal packaged following Brltty version: 4.4-5ubuntu3 Attila From hammera at pickup.hu Mon Oct 1 15:03:31 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 17:03:31 +0200 Subject: Orca braille feature not working in Ubuntu 12.10? In-Reply-To: <5069A34E.80909@pickup.hu> References: <5069A34E.80909@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <5069B0C3.9080101@pickup.hu> I doed now an installation with Ubuntu 12.10 Beta1 image (beta2 and higher daily Quantal images the installer are inaccessible after the first language selection screen). My first think to make an Orca debug.out file to see have any Brltty related traceback error messages or not. Unfortunately have. Following part is a little part the debug.out file. BrlTTY seems to have disappeared: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/braille.py", line 1717, in _brlAPIKeyReader key = _brlAPI.readKey(False) File "brlapi.pyx", line 535, in brlapi.Connection.readKey (brlapi.auto.c:6563) brlapi.OperationError: What place need reporting this issue? This error is only an Ubuntu Quantal specific problem, or better report this issue with proper upstream place? Quantal not ship with Brltty Python3 bindings if ship with Orca Python3 based version? Attila From paul-leics at virginmedia.com Mon Oct 1 15:13:06 2012 From: paul-leics at virginmedia.com (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:13:06 +0100 Subject: Orca braille feature not working in Ubuntu 12.10? In-Reply-To: <5069B0C3.9080101@pickup.hu> References: <5069A34E.80909@pickup.hu> <5069B0C3.9080101@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <5069B302.20805@virginmedia.com> Hi Attila, I don't think that Python3 bindings for brltty exist. At least Joanie said they didn't when Orca master began using Python3. On 01/10/12 16:03, Hammer Attila wrote: > I doed now an installation with Ubuntu 12.10 Beta1 image (beta2 and > higher daily Quantal images the installer are inaccessible after the > first language selection screen). > My first think to make an Orca debug.out file to see have any Brltty > related traceback error messages or not. Unfortunately have. Following > part is a little part the debug.out file. > BrlTTY seems to have disappeared: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/braille.py", line 1717, in > _brlAPIKeyReader > key = _brlAPI.readKey(False) > File "brlapi.pyx", line 535, in brlapi.Connection.readKey > (brlapi.auto.c:6563) > brlapi.OperationError: > > What place need reporting this issue? This error is only an Ubuntu > Quantal specific problem, or better report this issue with proper > upstream place? Quantal not ship with Brltty Python3 bindings if ship > with Orca Python3 based version? > > Attila > From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Oct 1 23:06:27 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 09:06:27 +1000 Subject: Will be ship Quantal with Liblouis 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 release? Very important packaging a new version to works Orca with contracted braille feature in Ubuntu 12.10. In-Reply-To: <20120930150622.GW5868@type.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> References: <50654F16.2070609@pickup.hu> <506558A3.3070806@ubuntu.com> <20120930150622.GW5868@type.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> Message-ID: <20121001230627.GA4484@acapella> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 01:06:22AM EST, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello, > > Alan Bell, le Fri 28 Sep 2012 08:58:27 +0100, a écrit : > > looks like this is 2.4.1 in Debian too > > http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/liblouis > > > > so this is more than a sync request from debian > > I have just uploaded 2.5.1 into debian experimental. Quantal will not be getting 2.5.1. Quantal is now in hard freeze, and any new upstrea release request will not be approved at this late stage. Luke From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 22:35:31 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:35:31 -0400 Subject: Initial Finding Re: Quantal GNOME Shell Remix Message-ID: <506B6C33.30405@gmail.com> Hi, I installed this remix to a flash drive; the live system booted with no errors. Access to the shell seems improved over shell access in Precise. The included GNumeric, Abiword, and Evolution are not accessible. Epiphany browser (included instead of Firefox) seems to work and be accessible, though I didn't try many sites. Access to the GNOME terminal is sufficient. Given all this, I attempted an installation to my hard drive. The installer's initial screen is accessible, but once I hit the 'continue' button, the installer is no longer accessible. I looked in the terminal and saw, for each line of what would be the dialogue where installer talks about proprietary software and prompts for whether to install this, a message "toolkit does not exist" follows. Maybe I'll try this again on Quantal's release day. Cheers, Dave From jonathan at accessiblefreedom.org Tue Oct 2 22:48:45 2012 From: jonathan at accessiblefreedom.org (Jonathan Nadeau) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Support] Initial Finding Re: Quantal GNOME Shell Remix In-Reply-To: <506B6C33.30405@gmail.com> References: <506B6C33.30405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <506B6F4D.7000401@accessiblefreedom.org> Good to know I will be checking this out soon. On 10/02/2012 06:35 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I installed this remix to a flash drive; the live system booted with > no errors. Access to the shell seems improved over shell access in > Precise. The included GNumeric, Abiword, and Evolution are not > accessible. Epiphany browser (included instead of Firefox) seems to > work and be accessible, though I didn't try many sites. Access to the > GNOME terminal is sufficient. Given all this, I attempted an > installation to my hard drive. The installer's initial screen is > accessible, but once I hit the 'continue' button, the installer is no > longer accessible. I looked in the terminal and saw, for each line of > what would be the dialogue where installer talks about proprietary > software and prompts for whether to install this, a message "toolkit > does not exist" follows. Maybe I'll try this again on Quantal's > release day. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > Support at accessiblefreedom.org > http://accessiblefreedom.org/mailman/listinfo/support_accessiblefreedom.org > -- Home page http://www.jnadeau.org Accessible Computing Foundation http://www.accessiblecomputingfoundation.org Northeast GNU/Linux Fest http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org Webmail That Respects Your Privacy http://www.freedommail.co Frostbite Media http://www.frostbitemedia.org Join The FSF http://www.fsf.org/join From alex.midence at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 09:01:25 2012 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 04:01:25 -0500 Subject: [orca-list] Initial Finding Re: Quantal GNOME Shell Remix In-Reply-To: <506B6C33.30405@gmail.com> References: <506B6C33.30405@gmail.com> Message-ID: Glad someone has had time to look into this release. Abiword and Gnumeric, eh? Yuck. Wonder why they put those old things in there. Libreoffice is the more logical obvious choice. More accessible too. Does anyone know why on Earth Abiword and Gnumeric, two venerable applications that crop up any time Libre or Openoffice isn't installed on a desktop system are still inaccessible? Is it something that can be helped along wiht e-mail to the devs? Seems I ran across one to Abiword devs some time back where they didn't know what to do to get their app accessible. they seemed willing enough to listen. You'd think Gnu would have more of its apps accessible. Take Emacs. Somebody else had to write a whole bunch of code to get it accessible and not through x and, I understand they do't want to include any of the code form that project with regular emacs. Seems lots of their stuff is inaccessible or has long-standing issues like GnuCash for instance. Alex M On 10/2/12, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I installed this remix to a flash drive; the live system booted with no > errors. Access to the shell seems improved over shell access in > Precise. The included GNumeric, Abiword, and Evolution are not > accessible. Epiphany browser (included instead of Firefox) seems to > work and be accessible, though I didn't try many sites. Access to the > GNOME terminal is sufficient. Given all this, I attempted an > installation to my hard drive. The installer's initial screen is > accessible, but once I hit the 'continue' button, the installer is no > longer accessible. I looked in the terminal and saw, for each line of > what would be the dialogue where installer talks about proprietary > software and prompts for whether to install this, a message "toolkit > does not exist" follows. Maybe I'll try this again on Quantal's release > day. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list at gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From juanj.marin at juntadeandalucia.es Wed Oct 3 12:11:25 2012 From: juanj.marin at juntadeandalucia.es (Juanjo Marin) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:11:25 +0200 Subject: [orca-list] Initial Finding Re: Quantal GNOME Shell Remix In-Reply-To: References: <506B6C33.30405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1349266285.5443.19.camel@dpca532.dca.ccul.junta-andalucia.es> El mié, 03-10-2012 a las 04:01 -0500, Alex Midence escribió: > Glad someone has had time to look into this release. Abiword and > Gnumeric, eh? Yuck. Wonder why they put those old things in there. > Libreoffice is the more logical obvious choice. Well, I think that they included those applications because they were born in the GNOME community as part of the GNOME Office effort. After the release of OpenOffice as free software project, the GNOME project decided it wasn't worth to spend too much resources for developing a GNOME Office suite, though some people like the alternative vision of the office programs already started like Abiword and Gnumeric and they keep contributing. Unfortunately, they aren't accessible :-( Apart from that, _I_ guess that space constraints could be another reason to bundle this apps instead of LibreOffice. PS: By the way, LibreOffice/OpenOffice is older that any Linux or GNOME piece of software. OpenOffice started off as Star Office. Star Writer became OpenOffice Writer. A team of German programmers worked on Star Office. The German company StarDivision in Lüneburg (founded by 16-year-old Marco Börries in 1984) wrote the original components of StarOffice. StarDivision developed the first version of StarWriter for the Zilog Z80 home-computer system, the Amstrad CPC (marketed by Schneider in Germany) under CP/M, and later for the Commodore 64 under Microsoft BASIC, which was later ported to the 8086-based Amstrad PC-1512, running under MS-DOS 3.2. Later, the integration of the other individual programs followed as the development progressed to an Office Suite for DOS, IBM'S OS/2 Warp, and for the Microsoft Windows operating-system. From this time onwards StarDivision marketed its suite under the name "StarOffice." excerpted from: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_the_inventor_of_open_office_writer#ixzz28EVUww87 thread about gnome-office inclusion in gnome ubuntu: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.desktop/47620 -- Juan José Marín Martínez Tlf: 956009437 (Corp. 409437) Móvil: 671596200 (Corp. 696200) Fax: 956009445 (Corp. 409445) Informática. Consejería de Cultura y Deporte. DP Cádiz. Junta de Andalucía Antes de imprimir este correo electrónico piense bien si es necesario hacerlo: El medioambiente es cosa de todos. From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Oct 4 09:37:00 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:37:00 +0200 Subject: In precise what happened with usb-creator-gtk application? In-Reply-To: <4F4485B4.5070209@pickup.hu> References: <4F4485B4.5070209@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <506D58BC.4000806@pickup.hu> Hy, In Quantal usb-creator-gtk application is accessible with Orca Screen Reader again. Anybody not known what change resulting this beautiful change? Related this change with a GTK3 fix with awailable only the 3.6.0 GTK+ version? Not possible doing similar fix with Ubuntu 12.04? Attila From petra at access-for-all.ch Fri Oct 5 14:17:17 2012 From: petra at access-for-all.ch (Petra Ritter) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 16:17:17 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 12.10 daily build from 11/5. Message-ID: <506EEBED.6010309@access-for-all.ch> Hello, It seem that the installer is still inaccessible to Orca. The first screen of the installer is accessible but the follow not The second problem is Orca seeks the password if you log on. If you like to keep you password secret you have to enter first a wrong one because after the fist attempt Orca says "asterisk". This bug is reproducible and occurs every time you log on. best regards Petra From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at Sat Oct 6 08:24:04 2012 From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:24:04 +0200 Subject: inaccessible ubiquity Message-ID: <506FEAA4.1070109@vol.at> hi all, i guess many people reported or found out that ubiquity currently seems not to be accessible for orca. after selecting the language and hitting continue orca can't read anything in ubiquity. greetings, simon -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at MSN: simon_eigeldinger at hotmail.com ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan at livejournal.com From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 19:35:05 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 15:35:05 -0400 Subject: inaccessible ubiquity In-Reply-To: <506FEAA4.1070109@vol.at> References: <506FEAA4.1070109@vol.at> Message-ID: <507087E9.4040004@gmail.com> Yes, and the error is something like, "tool kit does not exist", for what should be each line in the installation dialogues. This is true of both the version of Ubiquity in the standard 12.10 daily builds and the GNOME-Shell remix Beta. Best, Dave H. On 10/06/2012 04:24 AM, Simon Eigeldinger wrote: > hi all, > > i guess many people reported or found out that ubiquity currently seems > not to be accessible for orca. > > after selecting the language and hitting continue orca can't read > anything in ubiquity. > > greetings, > simon > From alanbell at ubuntu.com Sat Oct 6 22:17:24 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:17:24 +0100 Subject: inaccessible ubiquity In-Reply-To: <507087E9.4040004@gmail.com> References: <506FEAA4.1070109@vol.at> <507087E9.4040004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5070ADF4.7090001@ubuntu.com> have you got a bug number? On 06/10/12 20:35, Dave Hunt wrote: > Yes, and the error is something like, > "tool kit does not exist", for what should be each line in the > installation dialogues. This is true of both the version of Ubiquity > in the standard 12.10 daily builds and the GNOME-Shell remix Beta. > > > > Best, > > > > Dave H. > > > > > > On 10/06/2012 04:24 AM, Simon Eigeldinger wrote: >> hi all, >> >> i guess many people reported or found out that ubiquity currently seems >> not to be accessible for orca. >> >> after selecting the language and hitting continue orca can't read >> anything in ubiquity. >> >> greetings, >> simon >> > -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 22:55:08 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:55:08 -0400 Subject: inaccessible ubiquity In-Reply-To: <5070ADF4.7090001@ubuntu.com> References: <506FEAA4.1070109@vol.at> <507087E9.4040004@gmail.com> <5070ADF4.7090001@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <5070B6CC.5000201@gmail.com> See Bug #1063043. On 10/06/2012 06:17 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > have you got a bug number? From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Oct 7 21:44:16 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 08:44:16 +1100 Subject: inaccessible ubiquity In-Reply-To: <5070B6CC.5000201@gmail.com> References: <506FEAA4.1070109@vol.at> <507087E9.4040004@gmail.com> <5070ADF4.7090001@ubuntu.com> <5070B6CC.5000201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20121007214416.GA4359@acapella> I direct you all to http://launchpad.net/bugs/1056300. Thats where the bug was originally filed, and thats where the actino is. YOu may also be interested in following the progress of the upstrea GTK bug too. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685453 Luke From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at Mon Oct 8 18:30:52 2012 From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:30:52 +0200 Subject: inaccessible ubiquity In-Reply-To: <20121007214416.GA4359@acapella> References: <506FEAA4.1070109@vol.at> <507087E9.4040004@gmail.com> <5070ADF4.7090001@ubuntu.com> <5070B6CC.5000201@gmail.com> <20121007214416.GA4359@acapella> Message-ID: <50731BDC.9080009@vol.at> hi luke, i also figured out that when using gnome shell or maybe unity too that apps can be sluggish at times. maybe this is the same problem? or its my half broken quantal install which also could be the issue here. greetings, simon Am 07.10.2012 23:44, schrieb Luke Yelavich: > I direct you all to http://launchpad.net/bugs/1056300. Thats where the bug was originally filed, and thats where the actino is. YOu may also be interested in following the progress of the upstrea GTK bug too. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685453 > > Luke > -- Simon Eigeldinger Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/domasofan/ E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at MSN: simon_eigeldinger at hotmail.com ICQ: 121823966 Jabber: domasofan at livejournal.com From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Oct 8 22:07:05 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:07:05 +1100 Subject: inaccessible ubiquity In-Reply-To: <50731BDC.9080009@vol.at> References: <506FEAA4.1070109@vol.at> <507087E9.4040004@gmail.com> <5070ADF4.7090001@ubuntu.com> <5070B6CC.5000201@gmail.com> <20121007214416.GA4359@acapella> <50731BDC.9080009@vol.at> Message-ID: <20121008220705.GB3589@acapella.yelavich.home> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:30:52AM EST, Simon Eigeldinger wrote: > hi luke, > > i also figured out that when using gnome shell or maybe unity too > that apps can be sluggish at times. What do you mean by sluggish, and in which desktop environment does this occur? > maybe this is the same problem? Your problem is not even remotely related to the ubiquity accessibility problem, I'm sure of it. > or its my half broken quantal install which also could be the issue here. It would be interesting to see whether a fresh quantal install still gives you issues. I am running on a day old install here, and I haven't had any issues so far. Luke From krecoun at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 12:46:33 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vojt=ECch_Pol=E1=B9ek?=) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:46:33 +0200 Subject: any cure for deleted key bindings? Message-ID: <507962A9.9040704@gmail.com> Hi, I am still experiencing deleted keybindings for working with windows and desktops in Ubuntu 12.04. Is there any definite cure for this? I lose always the same keybindings: - switching among windows - switching among system elements - hide all windows - moving among virtual desktops and probably all key bindings in window section. Thank you, Vojta From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Oct 13 13:02:18 2012 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:02:18 +0200 Subject: any cure for deleted key bindings? References: <507962A9.9040704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <690E1DF043704D8F9E109BF2CD982FE3@milton> I never met again with this problem when I deleted .gconf/apps/metacity several months ago. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vojtech Polásek" To: "ubuntu" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: any cure for deleted key bindings? > Hi, > I am still experiencing deleted keybindings for working with windows and > desktops in Ubuntu 12.04. Is there any definite cure for this? > I lose always the same keybindings: > - switching among windows > - switching among system elements > - hide all windows > - moving among virtual desktops > and probably all key bindings in window section. > Thank you, > Vojta > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From ka1cey at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 22:03:05 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:03:05 -0400 Subject: Adding Skype Contacts in Version 4 for Ubuntu 12.04? Message-ID: <5079E519.2030602@gmail.com> Hi, Using the contact search, I am able to find the entry for the contact I wish to add, but how to add him? There seems to be no button or menu option for doing this. I suspect it's just not visible to orca 3.4.2? Maybe I should control skype with something else like pidgin or empathy? Thanks for any help, Dave H. From krecoun at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 06:58:36 2012 From: krecoun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?=) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 08:58:36 +0200 Subject: Adding Skype Contacts in Version 4 for Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: <5079E519.2030602@gmail.com> References: <5079E519.2030602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <507A629C.5080503@gmail.com> Probably yes, I do this with Pidgin and I have no problem. Vojta Dne 14.10.2012 00:03, Dave Hunt napsal(a): > Hi, > > Using the contact search, I am able to find the entry for the contact > I wish to add, but how to add him? There seems to be no button or > menu option for doing this. I suspect it's just not visible to orca > 3.4.2? Maybe I should control skype with something else like pidgin or > empathy? > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Dave H. > From ka1cey at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 16:15:35 2012 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:15:35 -0400 Subject: Adding Skype Contacts in Version 4 for Ubuntu 12.04? In-Reply-To: <507A629C.5080503@gmail.com> References: <5079E519.2030602@gmail.com> <507A629C.5080503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <507AE527.3090609@gmail.com> And, then there remains the inability to answer calls, whether using Pidgin to control Skype, or using the native QT Skype controls. Maybe something in 12.10 makes this all work better? I see encouraging signs re: 12.10's accessibility; may go ahead and install a daily build. Cheers, D. H. On 10/14/2012 02:58 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Probably yes, I do this with Pidgin and I have no problem. > Vojta > Dne 14.10.2012 00:03, Dave Hunt napsal(a): >> Hi, >> >> Using the contact search, I am able to find the entry for the contact >> I wish to add, but how to add him? There seems to be no button or >> menu option for doing this. I suspect it's just not visible to orca >> 3.4.2? Maybe I should control skype with something else like pidgin or >> empathy? >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> >> >> Dave H. >> > > From nolan at thewordnerd.info Mon Oct 15 14:04:32 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:04:32 -0500 Subject: Accessible login stopped working Message-ID: <507C17F0.1000300@thewordnerd.info> As of a couple days ago, Orca stopped launching at my login screen. I don't immediately see anything in /var/log/lightdm when I grep for orca, other than an error from Oct. 11. Nothing from my most recent launches. I'm wondering if whatever configuration file that launches Orca on login might have gotten trashed? Where should I find this file? I see no mention of "orca" in /usr/share/XSessions. Should I? Is there anywhere else that I might look? And has anyone else experienced this? I'm on 12.10 and am regularly applying updates. Accessibility works as well as it always has once I'm logged in, but I'd very much like it back at my login screen. Thanks. From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Oct 15 21:52:17 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:52:17 +1100 Subject: Accessible login stopped working In-Reply-To: <507C17F0.1000300@thewordnerd.info> References: <507C17F0.1000300@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <20121015215217.GA4895@acapella.yelavich.home> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 01:04:32AM EST, Nolan Darilek wrote: > As of a couple days ago, Orca stopped launching at my login screen. > I don't immediately see anything in /var/log/lightdm when I grep for > orca, other than an error from Oct. 11. Nothing from my most recent > launches. > > I'm wondering if whatever configuration file that launches Orca on > login might have gotten trashed? Where should I find this file? I > see no mention of "orca" in /usr/share/XSessions. Should I? The login greeter uses GSettings to store its configuration, and its home directory is /var/lib/libhtdm. > And has anyone else experienced this? I'm on 12.10 and am regularly > applying updates. Accessibility works as well as it always has once > I'm logged in, but I'd very much like it back at my login screen. Have you tried pressing Control + S a few times to turn the screen reader option off and on? Luke From alanbell at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 17 09:19:09 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:19:09 +0100 Subject: [Desktop13.04-Topic] accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507E780D.8030602@ubuntu.com> I would like the text cursor tracking zoom to be incorporated, there is code that works, it just needs to be incorporated properly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/727290 https://code.launchpad.net/~gloob/compiz/texttracking I can understand dropping the themes, Unity doesn't really work with any non-default themes, accessible or otherwise. Why not go one step further and drop theme support? If themes are to come back in general it would be good to have some designed for low vision users in the list. Providing alternative GUIs for controlling some of the excellent compiz accessibility features would be good, show mouse is another one that is really good (stars that float around the mouse cursor without obscuring it). The OpenGL accelerated Enhanced zoom is fantastic - and actually makes the spread usable if you have more than about a dozen windows - you can zoom in and pan around, they are not all tiny thumbnails, we have this in, and turn it off by default (or have no key/mouse bindings for it) and it is one of the best features of the whole operating system! Alan. On 16/10/12 04:09, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > I have three accessibility items. > > First, I'd like to drop the HighContrastInverse & LowContrast themes. > GNOME dropped support for these two themes late this cycle and they > can no longer be set in an unpatched gnome-control-center. The idea is > that this one theme will be significantly better than trying to > support three mediocre themes. I hacked in support for these themes > for 3.6.0 in Ubuntu 12.10 but gnome-themes-standard 3.6.1 isn't > building for me yet with the hack. > > The two dropped themes aren't really terribly usable anyway, and > unless someone steps up to maintain them, it's not worth the headache > to try to keep them building. > > My second item is a requested feature. It would be really great if > Unity would support the zoom and color effects built in to GNOME 3.6. > By setting inverse or adjusting the brightness/conast this way, all > apps (even web pages in your web browser) will respect your color > setting. > > http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom1.png > http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom2.png > http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom3.png > > And finally, Unity includes a mostly hidden accessibility status menu. > It's probably a good thing it's hidden as it's almost useless at the > moment. I filed bug http://pad.lv/1067166 requesting that a > replacement be designed and included in 13.04. > > Jeremy > -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk From pvdeejay at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 14:31:19 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?windows-1250?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:31:19 +0200 Subject: deadbeef music player Message-ID: <507EC137.20904@gmail.com> Hello, This music player is verry powerfull, lightweight supports a lot of audio formats, can work with multiple playlists. For people coming from Windows to Linux it may be close to what Foobar 2000 is under Windows. Its dialogs are perfectly accessible it features gtk2 user interface however playlist tabs as well as playlist view is completelly inaccessible. Has anyone tried this app? Is here someone knowledgeable enough to be able to look into this and make some initial estimates how difficult it would be to make it more accessible? Aleksey Yakovenko the deadbeef author was happy to add accessibility improvements to the android port of his app. I think if we can properly describe what we need to implement he would be able to help us with linux version as well. Thanks for possible replies Greetings Peter From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sun Oct 21 12:27:08 2012 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:27:08 +0200 Subject: pdf convert by robobraille.org Message-ID: I got a pdf file and pdftotext or pdftohtml did not show any result. I was happy to use www.robobraille.org to convert the file into a textfile. I just mention for who did not know yet. Milton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drdavidokoye at googlemail.com Wed Oct 24 18:59:00 2012 From: drdavidokoye at googlemail.com (Sir David Lindsay) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Orca braille feature not working in Ubuntu 12.10? Message-ID: <50883a74.45b80e0a.629e.ffffe754@mx.google.com> Morning Sir, Hammer Attila contacted me from this address:'hammera at pickup.hu', and told me to write to you about this business.What do I need to do? Christmas won't be long now. Goodbye Sir David Lindsay. From kalladasunny1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 14:48:38 2012 From: kalladasunny1 at gmail.com (sunny p o) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:18:38 +0530 Subject: Ubuntu 12.10 Message-ID: I have installed Ubuntu 12.10. Libreoffice 3.6 in this operating system have many problems. There fore This is not accessible for blinds. From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Oct 25 21:57:29 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:57:29 +1100 Subject: Ubuntu 12.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121025215729.GB3637@acapella.yelavich.home> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 01:48:38AM EST, sunny p o wrote: > I have installed Ubuntu 12.10. Libreoffice 3.6 in this operating > system have many problems. There fore This is not accessible for > blinds. It is recommended that you use 12.04 LTS instead. The accessibility team does not have enough resources to make sure every release of Ubuntu is as accessible as it can be, so the team only focuses on the LTS releases. Luke From alan.bell at libertus.co.uk Fri Oct 26 17:56:02 2012 From: alan.bell at libertus.co.uk (Alan Bell) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:56:02 +0100 Subject: UDS session on Accessibility Message-ID: <508ACEB2.8060507@libertus.co.uk> The Ubuntu Developer Summit is where the development activities for the next 6 months are planned, the next one is next week in Copenhagen. There is an hour session dedicated to accessibility, this is currently scheduled to be on Monday at 12:00 CET (time may change) the link to the session details page is here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21359/desktop-r-accessibility/ there will be streaming audio for the session Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 05:21:11 2012 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:21:11 -0700 Subject: UDS session on Accessibility In-Reply-To: <508ACEB2.8060507@libertus.co.uk> References: <508ACEB2.8060507@libertus.co.uk> Message-ID: <508B6F47.3020609@gmail.com> Thanks for the link, Alan. Hopefully I can tune in to the stream! On 10/26/2012 10:56 AM, Alan Bell wrote: > The Ubuntu Developer Summit is where the development activities for > the next 6 months are planned, the next one is next week in > Copenhagen. There is an hour session dedicated to accessibility, this > is currently scheduled to be on Monday at 12:00 CET (time may change) > the link to the session details page is here: > http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21359/desktop-r-accessibility/ > > there will be streaming audio for the session > > Alan. > From themuso at ubuntu.com Sat Oct 27 14:58:58 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 01:58:58 +1100 Subject: UDS session on Accessibility In-Reply-To: <508ACEB2.8060507@libertus.co.uk> References: <508ACEB2.8060507@libertus.co.uk> Message-ID: <20121027145858.GA3417@acapella.yelavich.home> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 04:56:02AM EST, Alan Bell wrote: > The Ubuntu Developer Summit is where the development activities for > the next 6 months are planned, the next one is next week in > Copenhagen. There is an hour session dedicated to accessibility, > this is currently scheduled to be on Monday at 12:00 CET (time may > change) > the link to the session details page is here: > http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21359/desktop-r-accessibility/ > > there will be streaming audio for the session This blueprint is mostly focusing on GNOME bits, particularly themes. I have recently created another blueprint, which has a lot to do with the move to try and get ubuntu working on the Nexus 7 this cycle. I am not sure if it will make it onto the schedule yet, but feel free to subscribe and follow along: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-accessibility-touch-gestures Luke From nolan at thewordnerd.info Wed Oct 31 16:40:23 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:40:23 -0500 Subject: Orca tracebacks Message-ID: <50915477.9030707@thewordnerd.info> Wondering if anyone else has seen these in their .xsession-errors? Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/input_event.py", line 509, in processInputEvent consumed = self.function(script, inputEvent) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 5905, in goNextLine self.presentLine(nextObj, nextCharOffset) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 2148, in presentLine self.speakContents(self.currentLineContents) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 5342, in speakContents clumped = self.clumpUtterances(utterances) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/toolkits/Gecko/script.py", line 5316, in clumpUtterances for [element, acss] in utterances: ValueError: too many values to unpack (expected 2) I get periodic, temporary freezes in Firefox, and am wondering if these are related? Don't know where to file this. Ubuntu is still on 3.7.0.94 despite a .100 and 3.7.1 Orca release being available. Seems possibly inaccurate to file this against Orca as it might be fixed there already. And Orca Git master isn't an option on 12.10 due to Python 3.2. Should this be filed as a Launchpad bug against Orca? Have to admit to some confusion about what it means to file a bug against Orca in Launchpad when Orca and other projects have their own issue tracking infrastructure. Thanks. From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Oct 31 16:50:48 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:50:48 +0100 Subject: Orca tracebacks In-Reply-To: <50915477.9030707@thewordnerd.info> References: <50915477.9030707@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <509156E8.1050803@pickup.hu> Hy Nolan, I think better fill this issue upstream level in bugzilla.gnome.org if you are registered in Bugzilla and need attach a debug.out file. If you not have Bugzilla account, I will report welcome this issue next week if you tell you how can reproduce this issue. What desktop environment you experience this issue in Ubuntu 12.10? Unity, GNOME Shell 3.6 or GNOME 3.6 fallback session? Attila From pvdeejay at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 16:56:58 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:56:58 +0100 Subject: installing 2012.10 Message-ID: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> Hello, Today My PC got hard power off due to power outage. Unfortunatelly it is now broken and displays low resolution mode at the beginning. I have not enough expertise to fix it my-self fsck did not help. I am therefore speculating. Is there a more recent distro preferrably running gnome 3.6 which I can install without sighted help and get fully operational my self? I think I can backup my files using live cd before installing. I would be happy to do it tonight. Can you please give me some advices? Greetings Peter From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 17:15:08 2012 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:15:08 -0400 Subject: installing 2012.10 In-Reply-To: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> References: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> Although Ubuntu 12.10 is not considered to be accessible out of the box, I believe the installer still works without needing extra help, and once installed, you can configure it to use standard GNOME 3.6. The recommended Ubuntu for accessibility and eyes-free installation is still 12.04 LTS. You could also try one of the Sonar images at http://sonar-project.org/ which is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and then update it to run GNOME 3.6. Hope this helps. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk From krmane at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 17:52:51 2012 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:22:51 +0530 Subject: installing 2012.10 In-Reply-To: <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> References: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50916573.4000500@gmail.com> How can one update to gnome 3.6 on Sonar? happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Wednesday 31 October 2012 10:45 PM, Kyle wrote: > Although Ubuntu 12.10 is not considered to be accessible out of the > box, I believe the installer still works without needing extra help, > and once installed, you can configure it to use standard GNOME 3.6. > The recommended Ubuntu for accessibility and eyes-free installation is > still 12.04 LTS. You could also try one of the Sonar images at > http://sonar-project.org/ > which is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and then update it to run GNOME 3.6. > Hope this helps. > ~Kyle > http://kyle.tk > From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 17:57:29 2012 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:57:29 -0400 Subject: installing 2012.10 In-Reply-To: <50916573.4000500@gmail.com> References: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> <50916573.4000500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50916689.5090900@gmail.com> Sonar is based on Ubuntu 12.04, so the update manager should get you the latest packages, while still allowing you to keep Sonar's modifications, and therefore should update to GNOME 3.6. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk From pvdeejay at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 19:21:40 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:21:40 +0100 Subject: installing 2012.10 In-Reply-To: <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> References: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50917A44.7080207@gmail.com> Hello, does orca reliably start and work on login screen in 12.10? Once the system is installed using the built-in installer it installs unity I assume. I have never tried to install something else than the default. Can I somehow configure autologin so it will use gnome instead of unity? I know 12.04 is still the recommended however I would like to get the maximum out of available possibilities. In gnome 3.6 accessibility is turned on all the time and I hope this is a big move and hopefully may be helpfull. Greetings Peter On 31. 10. 2012 18:15, Kyle wrote: > Although Ubuntu 12.10 is not considered to be accessible out of the box, > I believe the installer still works without needing extra help, and once > installed, you can configure it to use standard GNOME 3.6. The > recommended Ubuntu for accessibility and eyes-free installation is still > 12.04 LTS. You could also try one of the Sonar images at > http://sonar-project.org/ > which is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and then update it to run GNOME 3.6. Hope > this helps. > ~Kyle > http://kyle.tk > From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 19:36:11 2012 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:36:11 -0400 Subject: installing 2012.10 In-Reply-To: <50917A44.7080207@gmail.com> References: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> <50917A44.7080207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50917DAB.7010604@gmail.com> I'm not sure that Orca is working properly on 12.10's login screen. I could drop it into VirtualBox, but I'll need to download it first. Ubuntu 12.10 will install Unity by default, which has problems with Orca. However, Sonar has a modified installer that will fully install GNOME 3.6 either with or without gnome-shell, depending on the image you download, and configure it to run by default. I'm not 100% sure that Orca speaks the login screen on Sonar, but it should as far as I know. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk From pvdeejay at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 20:26:47 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:26:47 +0100 Subject: installing 2012.10 In-Reply-To: <50917DAB.7010604@gmail.com> References: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> <50917A44.7080207@gmail.com> <50917DAB.7010604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50918987.90300@gmail.com> Hello, Good news I was able to fix my 12.04 installed system. Oh what a shame. That was a verry verry stupid mistake. I have got no free space left on the system partition so the system was unable to even create lightdm session and thus it was displaying an error. So what I did is that I have moved some files to the external drive, rebooted the machine and voila... I am now again using my perfectly working system. Still I am verry curious about new gnome 3.6 accessibility improvements. I will most likelly install it into the virtualbox first. Now a reply to the discussion: is there a sonar distro based off of 12.10 or are you still talking about gnome powered 12.04 derivative which should be easily updated to new gnome? Thanks and greetings Peter On 31.10.2012 20:36, Kyle wrote: > I'm not sure that Orca is working properly on 12.10's login screen. I > could drop it into VirtualBox, but I'll need to download it first. > > Ubuntu 12.10 will install Unity by default, which has problems with > Orca. However, Sonar has a modified installer that will fully install > GNOME 3.6 either with or without gnome-shell, depending on the image you > download, and configure it to run by default. I'm not 100% sure that > Orca speaks the login screen on Sonar, but it should as far as I know. > ~Kyle > http://kyle.tk > From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 22:29:03 2012 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:29:03 -0400 Subject: installing 2012.10 In-Reply-To: <50918987.90300@gmail.com> References: <5091585A.3030304@gmail.com> <50915C9C.50900@gmail.com> <50917A44.7080207@gmail.com> <50917DAB.7010604@gmail.com> <50918987.90300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5091A62F.8000204@gmail.com> I'm definitely glad you got 12.04 back up and running. So far, it's the best Ubuntu for accessibility, unless you want/need the latest GNOME and plan to use it mostly unmodified. Sonar versions of 12.10 are currently still in the works. I was referring to the fact that you should be able to take the Sonar of your choice based on 12.04 and update to something very close to what Sonar would be if based on 12.10. However, if you decide to run Sonar, I should note here that versions based on 12.10 should be available in less than a month. Versions are being made based on Ubuntu with and without gnome-shell and also based on Lubuntu for light-weight systems, or if you just want a system that runs extremely fast, even if it doesn't have the very latest hardware. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk