From nolan at thewordnerd.info Thu Sep 13 16:46:47 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:46:47 -0500 Subject: 12.10 accessibility Message-ID: <50520DF7.6070304@thewordnerd.info> Does anyone know the 12.10 accessibility story? I'm about to do a fresh install, and am wondering if I should go with 12.04.01, or with a version that will be released in a bit over a month. I'm particularly concerned about the Unity2D deprecation, and the abandonment of QT in Unity3D in favor of a custom toolkit. Is Canonical using "deprecation" to mean "go away entirely," or "phased out over time?" Is there any accessibility at all in this new toolkit? Thanks. From nolan at thewordnerd.info Thu Sep 13 17:03:57 2012 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:03:57 -0500 Subject: 12.10 accessibility In-Reply-To: <003101cd91cf$ca613b40$5f23b1c0$@gmail.com> References: <50520DF7.6070304@thewordnerd.info> <003101cd91cf$ca613b40$5f23b1c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <505211FD.9000507@thewordnerd.info> On 09/13/2012 11:49 AM, Andy B. wrote: > It looks pretty good so far, but the menu in Unity that had the messages > apps such as mail/pidgin is no longer accessible. From what I could tell, > this is my only problem aside from waiting on a voxin update. > > Does this mean the entire menubar, including app-specific items? Or just the titles of the top menu items? Or the entire menu, including its items? I'm still on 11.04 for a variety of reasons namely dealing with always losing speech mid-upgrade and no longer having another box to SSH from, so I'm not terribly familiar with Unity. I know that if I install 12.04.01, I likely won't upgrade to 12.10 for a while, so if 12.10 is mostly ironed out then I'd rather install that and deal with rough edges for a month or so than be a release behind. Besides, I don't have most panel items spoken under 11.04, so if it's just the menubar titles that don't speak, then I'm not losing functionality. Thanks. From chaltain at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 18:01:42 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:01:42 -0500 Subject: 12.10 accessibility In-Reply-To: <505211FD.9000507@thewordnerd.info> References: <50520DF7.6070304@thewordnerd.info> <003101cd91cf$ca613b40$5f23b1c0$@gmail.com> <505211FD.9000507@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <50521F86.4020308@gmail.com> On 13/09/12 12:03, Nolan Darilek wrote: > On 09/13/2012 11:49 AM, Andy B. wrote: > I'm still on 11.04 for a variety of reasons namely dealing with always > losing speech mid-upgrade and no longer having another box to SSH from, > so I'm not terribly familiar with Unity. I know that if I install > 12.04.01, I likely won't upgrade to 12.10 for a while, so if 12.10 is > mostly ironed out then I'd rather install that and deal with rough edges > for a month or so than be a release behind. I wouldn't consider 12.04 to be a release behind 12.10, especially if you're going to move up to 12.04.1 and 12.04.2 and so on. 12.04 is an LTS release and will be supported for five years. 12.10 will only be supported for 18 months. I'm not saying you shouldn't want to move up to 12.01. I'm just saying that these are different releases with different conditions, so I wouldn't consider one to be behind the other. It depends on what you plan to do with this install. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 13 22:47:26 2012 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:47:26 +1000 Subject: 12.10 accessibility In-Reply-To: <50521F86.4020308@gmail.com> References: <50520DF7.6070304@thewordnerd.info> <003101cd91cf$ca613b40$5f23b1c0$@gmail.com> <505211FD.9000507@thewordnerd.info> <50521F86.4020308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120913224726.GA3434@acapella> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 04:01:42AM EST, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I wouldn't consider 12.04 to be a release behind 12.10, especially if > you're going to move up to 12.04.1 and 12.04.2 and so on. 12.04 is an > LTS release and will be supported for five years. 12.10 will only be > supported for 18 months. > > I'm not saying you shouldn't want to move up to 12.01. I'm just saying > that these are different releases with different conditions, so I > wouldn't consider one to be behind the other. It depends on what you > plan to do with this install. I'd also like to add that since unity 2D is no longer available from 12.10 and beyond, there is somewhat of a regression in desktop accessibility and usability. There will be efforts made to fix this, but our timeframe is the next LTS. In fact, due to the accessibility team's limited resources, we will only be targeting LTS releases so far as overall desktop usability and polish goes. There are far too few developers working on accessibility, and there is far too much to cover and ensure a deacent experience in a 4 month time frame. I say 4 months, because thats approximately how long we have per cycle for feature development, and rest assured most of the functionality work required for better accessibility is not considered a bug fix. Luke From pvdeejay at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 12:54:47 2012 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?windows-1250?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:54:47 +0200 Subject: virtualbox Message-ID: <5059C097.6070703@gmail.com> Hello, I am running Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit as the main OS. I have installed virtual box using software centre and checked all the additions during setup e.g. 32 bit kernel support and network ethernet driver. At the end of a virtualbox install I have just rebooted the machine to make sure everything is in its place. Then after the boot I have createda new machine in the virtualbox and I am currently trying to boot a daily live 32 bit image of ubuntu 12:10 inside it. The virtual machine launches I am even getting informative messages regarding direct mouse and keyboard capture but I am not getting that usual drum sounds coming from the guest OS. Is my install of virtualbox screwed or ubuntu 12.10 has changed something in this regard? I have also waited some 10 minutes in case and pressed ctrl+s without any audible difference. In the virtual machine settings window I have audio turned on and set to pulse. Any possible hints? Is anyone running 12.04 in virtualbox with sound output? oh btw on the host OS I can see vbox channel while looking into the pulseaudio volume control. Greetings Peter From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Sep 19 14:05:32 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:05:32 -0300 Subject: virtualbox In-Reply-To: <5059C097.6070703@gmail.com> References: <5059C097.6070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5059D12C.5050801@informal.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I had the same problem Take a look in the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1016969 On 09/19/2012 09:54 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, I am running Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit as the main OS. I have > installed virtual box using software centre and checked all the > additions during setup e.g. 32 bit kernel support and network > ethernet driver. At the end of a virtualbox install I have just > rebooted the machine to make sure everything is in its place. Then > after the boot I have createda new machine in the virtualbox and I > am currently trying to boot a daily live 32 bit image of ubuntu > 12:10 inside it. The virtual machine launches I am even getting > informative messages regarding direct mouse and keyboard capture > but I am not getting that usual drum sounds coming from the guest > OS. Is my install of virtualbox screwed or ubuntu 12.10 has > changed something in this regard? I have also waited some 10 > minutes in case and pressed ctrl+s without any audible difference. > In the virtual machine settings window I have audio turned on and > set to pulse. > > Any possible hints? > > Is anyone running 12.04 in virtualbox with sound output? > > oh btw on the host OS I can see vbox channel while looking into > the pulseaudio volume control. > > Greetings > > Peter > - -- {}S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQWdEiAAoJEPMEywZ3KXznW8kIAJRulbSZJyuFjCJMO0TvEukD Ji7mISbdrBDCoSB03L6izQA2onsJynr6VutGHYRdR8c74lLfcoTaQIFe0OAqs2FY omtQaZFscONZhsBs6ijE4uXOo4IMcnlslt10T8UdpekONSv4lld50tNLtN41NDGq AJdpGuU3LuaJQMZqUG4i75Ksv+6Kw/JWXa0+SAZ4cA/8s4b6AMJHMuOD4xNsVktR tZqN+BnEnC7zrIc1M9IUVCvyODcjKSM7vIcI3rpyhPQoG85KF9MM0m1jV0UDwUZX Ab8TxPIoNI5lhujK1ryouifv3oCVcJbdfyGRHurCRUnAlDbXIVMwHYTM0j2JlBI= =xg+8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alanbell at ubuntu.com Wed Sep 19 14:07:44 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:07:44 +0100 Subject: virtualbox In-Reply-To: <5059C097.6070703@gmail.com> References: <5059C097.6070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5059D1B0.9040301@ubuntu.com> hello, yes I have had problems with 12.10 in virtualbox for sound, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016969 it is possible to get to the pulse audio dialog and change the device to one of the two LFE devices, I can try it again later and provide the exact key sequence to do so. I didn't tag that bug as an a11y bug because it is an "audio totally broken for everyone" bug rather than orca specific issue even though it does mean that Quantal is basically untestable in virtualbox for blind users. It does boot OK when testing on real hardware and you get the drums and ctrl+s starts orca as normal. Ubiquity has changed a bit but I can get all the way through it without cheating and turning my monitor on, I will do a full keystroke guide and audio/video at some point pre-release. Alan. On 19/09/12 13:54, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > I am running Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit as the main OS. I have installed > virtual box using software centre and checked all the additions during > setup e.g. 32 bit kernel support and network ethernet driver. > At the end of a virtualbox install I have just rebooted the machine to > make sure everything is in its place. > Then after the boot I have createda new machine in the virtualbox and > I am currently trying to boot a daily live 32 bit image of ubuntu > 12:10 inside it. > The virtual machine launches I am even getting informative messages > regarding direct mouse and keyboard capture but I am not getting that > usual drum sounds coming from the guest OS. > Is my install of virtualbox screwed or ubuntu 12.10 has changed > something in this regard? > I have also waited some 10 minutes in case and pressed ctrl+s without > any audible difference. > In the virtual machine settings window I have audio turned on and set > to pulse. > > Any possible hints? > > Is anyone running 12.04 in virtualbox with sound output? > > oh btw on the host OS I can see vbox channel while looking into the > pulseaudio volume control. > > Greetings > > Peter > -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk From vilmar at informal.com.br Wed Sep 19 14:38:18 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:38:18 -0300 Subject: virtualbox In-Reply-To: <5059D1B0.9040301@ubuntu.com> References: <5059C097.6070703@gmail.com> <5059D1B0.9040301@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <5059D8DA.102@informal.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alan, I managed to install 12.10 beta 1 in virtualbox 4.2 with sighted assistance. After installation, I managed to configure, with sighted assistance, the sound so that orca is speaking. The problem is that I have no sound in the login. No orca, no drums. After I type the password and press the enter key, orca talks normally. On 09/19/2012 11:07 AM, Alan Bell wrote: > hello, yes I have had problems with 12.10 in virtualbox for sound, > > https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016969 > > it is possible to get to the pulse audio dialog and change the > device to one of the two LFE devices, I can try it again later and > provide the exact key sequence to do so. I didn't tag that bug as > an a11y bug because it is an "audio totally broken for everyone" > bug rather than orca specific issue even though it does mean that > Quantal is basically untestable in virtualbox for blind users. It > does boot OK when testing on real hardware and you get the drums > and ctrl+s starts orca as normal. Ubiquity has changed a bit but I > can get all the way through it without cheating and turning my > monitor on, I will do a full keystroke guide and audio/video at > some point pre-release. > > Alan. > > On 19/09/12 13:54, Peter Vágner wrote: >> Hello, I am running Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit as the main OS. I have >> installed virtual box using software centre and checked all the >> additions during setup e.g. 32 bit kernel support and network >> ethernet driver. At the end of a virtualbox install I have just >> rebooted the machine to make sure everything is in its place. >> Then after the boot I have createda new machine in the virtualbox >> and I am currently trying to boot a daily live 32 bit image of >> ubuntu 12:10 inside it. The virtual machine launches I am even >> getting informative messages regarding direct mouse and keyboard >> capture but I am not getting that usual drum sounds coming from >> the guest OS. Is my install of virtualbox screwed or ubuntu 12.10 >> has changed something in this regard? I have also waited some 10 >> minutes in case and pressed ctrl+s without any audible >> difference. In the virtual machine settings window I have audio >> turned on and set to pulse. >> >> Any possible hints? >> >> Is anyone running 12.04 in virtualbox with sound output? >> >> oh btw on the host OS I can see vbox channel while looking into >> the pulseaudio volume control. >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> > > - -- {}S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQWdjZAAoJEPMEywZ3KXznsPEH/2K4PonvsNNkWUY8zad63pGi K0AoYbVMVAYgyBFCPE0ugtHS9C160WnzVrYESCIda+O8aUdo86n8eAAxD3/aeW1l o3irnVBBeJ4HUwB+qhGFYzGe10CLjgQ9OBzZE2dn90Y3SL34UAnMIP1V6NDCY3x0 MlsCcF4LBDAaUlWpGQ+Yw9di6eLnxzTsid2RcVwRLh3RWVK+qtjbRet4OeMGbRGr 1JzosCmUGSUWj7GbyKPHXir7O06yDPTsUGltKdLrai1yb/ErMT+X1HWlEoAu7Cf9 oxfD6zpT950A1g1NL8+ApB6Xori07mEyAHFT88dsoSwkqmRLv/ql92tvIjoBE/U= =eAAI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From milton at tomaatnet.nl Fri Sep 21 19:21:39 2012 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:21:39 +0200 Subject: In Skype 4.0 for Linux native how can possible accepting incomingcalls? References: <5028EFE5.7020509@pickup.hu> <50291794.7030006@gmail.com><502920F0.70403@pickup.hu> <5029261B.8020103@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can somebody please tell how to do so? I have the same problem not to be able to accept a call in Skype 4.0.0.8 and I try Pidgin by first to install skype4pidgin but what plugin do I look for? Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vojtech Polásek" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:06 PM Subject: Re: In Skype 4.0 for Linux native how can possible accepting incomingcalls? > Now it is possible probably just through pidgin plugin. > Vojta > On 13.8.2012 17:44, Hammer Attila wrote: >> Hy Vojtech, >> >> Ok, but how can I known what contact searching me? :-):-) >> I will be try this. >> >> Attila >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From chaltain at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 19:32:10 2012 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:32:10 -0500 Subject: In Skype 4.0 for Linux native how can possible accepting incomingcalls? In-Reply-To: References: <5028EFE5.7020509@pickup.hu> <50291794.7030006@gmail.com><502920F0.70403@pickup.hu> <5029261B.8020103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <505CC0BA.8010604@gmail.com> I use the Skype plugin with Pidgin, and I'm unable to accept an incoming call. Clicking on the accept button in the pop up doesn't do anything. Therefore, if there is a way to do this, I'd like to know as well. On 21/09/12 14:21, Milton wrote: > Can somebody please tell how to do so? I have the same problem not to be > able to accept a call in Skype 4.0.0.8 and I try Pidgin by first to > install skype4pidgin but what plugin do I look for? > Milton > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vojtech Polásek" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: In Skype 4.0 for Linux native how can possible accepting > incomingcalls? > > >> Now it is possible probably just through pidgin plugin. >> Vojta >> On 13.8.2012 17:44, Hammer Attila wrote: >>> Hy Vojtech, >>> >>> Ok, but how can I known what contact searching me? :-):-) >>> I will be try this. >>> >>> Attila >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From milton at tomaatnet.nl Thu Sep 27 12:54:32 2012 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:54:32 +0200 Subject: pidgin-skype and Orca Message-ID: Hi List, I run Ubuntu Precise, Unity 2D and Orca 3,4.2. I installed Skype 4.0.0.8 and would like to use it through Pidgin. The reason is that I cannot accept calls in Skype. I also installed skype4pidgin10.deb and in Pidgin I notice in the list of Protocols Skype and Skype D-bus. Somehow Pidgin cannot connect with Skype. Do I have to adjest other settings? Your help is very welcome. Milton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Sep 28 07:17:42 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:17:42 +0200 Subject: Will be ship Quantal with Liblouis 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 release? Very important packaging a new version to works Orca with contracted braille feature in Ubuntu 12.10. Message-ID: <50654F16.2070609@pickup.hu> Hy, With Quantal (Ubuntu 12.10) ship now with Liblouis 2.4.1 release, but this release the Python binding (python-louis package) is not Python3 compatible. Orca Screen Reader supports contracted braille feature, but this feature now unusable with Ubuntu 12.10 version, because shipped Liblouis version is too old. Liblouis developers released with Liblouis 2.5.0 and 2.5.1 release. The 2.5.0 release containing lot of bug fixes and enhancements (for example braille table improvements), since 2.5.0 version the Python bindings is both Python2 and Python3 compatible. I using Liblouis 2.5.1 release with Ubuntu 12.04 without any problem. Liblouis 2.5.0 version containing following bug fixes and new features: "The liblouis developer team is proud to announce the liblouis release 2.5.0. The release is available for download at: http://code.google.com/p/liblouis/downloads/list Introduction ------------ Liblouis is an open-source braille translator and back-translator. It features support for computer, literary and math braille, supports contracted and uncontracted translation for many, many languages[1]. It plays an important role in an open source accessibility stack and is used by screenreaders such as NVDA and Orca. A companion project liblouisutdml/liblouisxml[2] deals with formatting of braille. Changes in this release ----------------------- This release contains a tremendous amount of work many developers. Many long standing bugs have been fixed. The tables can finally be in UTF-8. A grand table cleanup removed duplication from the tables. There are now two extensive test frameworks for table writers. A number of new tables have been contributed on top of the usual assortment of table improvements. Thanks to all of this liblouis has already seen quite a bit of uptake in a number of places, notably the new DAISY pipeline will ship with this release of liblouis. NOTE: If you have private tables you might want to migrate them to utf-8. To do this just use iconv as follows: $ iconv -f latin-1 -t utf-8 output New features ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * New Braille tables - Estonian grade 0, thanks to Jürgen Dengo. - Portuguese 8 dot Computer braille, Thanks to Rui Fontes * UTF-8 support in tables Braille tables can now contain UTF-8 in the opcode arguments. * Improvements to the python bindings All constants defined in liblouis.h are now exposed in the bindings. * Add a doctest infrastructure These tests are based on the Python doctest framework and are only run if there is a Python interpreter on the system * Add a test harness This test infrastructure allows the user to do table tests in a simple and concise syntax. These tests are based on the Python nose testing framework and are only run if either Python 2.x or 3.x with the related nose python module is installed on the system. See the documentation for more information. Thanks to Mesar Hameed. * Add a test harness generator A harness generator that uses simple text files with a little formatting to help to generate the json harness files. The purpose of this tool is to make it much easier and faster to add checks for a given table. You are expected to read the generated harness file and make necessary changes, the tool only helps you to get the tests into the harness format, not check their validity. * Support for Python 3 in the Python bindings The Python bindings now work for both Python 2 and Python 3. Thanks to Michael Whapples. Improved C-based test framework ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Improved the test framework to be able to test translations involving Unicode. - Added numerous tests, e.g. for lowercase and Unicode, for the input position, for repeated, etc. Improved the documentation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Document the test harness (json format, fields, flags). - Document the use of Valgrind to find memory leaks - Improve the documentation on the display opcode Bug fixes ~~~~~~~~~~ - lou_allround and lou_translate now properly handle Unicode characters - Fix some issues reported by Valgrind - Fix inputPos for situation where context and multipass opcodes are involved - Fixed a number of bugs with the letter, uppercase and lowercase opcodes when dealing with Unicode - Fixed a couple of bugs with hyphenation (documentation, Python bindings and a number of buffer overruns in the C library). Thanks Milan Zamazal for reporting this. - Fix a bug in the $a. matcher in the multipass rules where only 32 chars were matched. It now matches 0xffff chars. - Fix a bug reported by James Teh related to pass1Only Braille Table Improvements ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - all table files have consistent encoding, UTF-8. - The grand table cleanup: Reorganize the tables to remove duplication. Move common parts such as Latin letter, eight and six dot digit definitions to separate files which are then included. This should ease table maintenance. Thanks to Mesar Hameed. - Fixes to de-de-comp8.ctb thanks to Aliminator83 at gmail.com - hu1.ctb renamed to hu-hu-g1.ctb - hu.ctb renamed to hu-hu-comp8.ctb - eo.ctb renamed to eo-g1.ctb - Fixes to eo-g1.ctb thanks to Aaron Cannon - hu-hu-g1.ctb: improvements and extensive test harness, with working back-translation, Thanks to Hammer Attila - Fixes to fr-bfu-comp6.utb and fr-bfu-comp8.utb thanks to Michel Such - Fixes to no-no-g3.ctb thanks to Lars Bjørndal " Liblouis 2.5.1 release containing following bug fixes, released monday evening: "The liblouis developer team is proud to announce the liblouis release 2.5.1. The release is available for download at: http://code.google.com/p/liblouis/downloads/list Changes in this release ----------------------- Braille Table Improvements ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Fix encoding problem in italian table and added more character definitions. Thanks to Simone Dal Maso . - Rename it-it-g1.utb to it-it-comp6.utb and it-it-g1.utb2 to it-it-comp8.utb. Bug fixes ~~~~~~~~~ - Fix outputPos and inlen where an input character generates multiple output characters." Attila From alanbell at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 28 07:58:27 2012 From: alanbell at ubuntu.com (Alan Bell) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:58:27 +0100 Subject: Will be ship Quantal with Liblouis 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 release? Very important packaging a new version to works Orca with contracted braille feature in Ubuntu 12.10. In-Reply-To: <50654F16.2070609@pickup.hu> References: <50654F16.2070609@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <506558A3.3070806@ubuntu.com> looks like this is 2.4.1 in Debian too http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/liblouis so this is more than a sync request from debian Alan. On 28/09/12 08:17, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > With Quantal (Ubuntu 12.10) ship now with Liblouis 2.4.1 release, but > this release the Python binding (python-louis package) is not Python3 > compatible. Orca Screen Reader supports contracted braille feature, > but this feature now unusable with Ubuntu 12.10 version, because > shipped Liblouis version is too old. > Liblouis developers released with Liblouis 2.5.0 and 2.5.1 release. > The 2.5.0 release containing lot of bug fixes and enhancements (for > example braille table improvements), since 2.5.0 version the Python > bindings is both Python2 and Python3 compatible. > I using Liblouis 2.5.1 release with Ubuntu 12.04 without any problem. > Liblouis 2.5.0 version containing following bug fixes and new features: > "The liblouis developer team is proud to announce the liblouis release > 2.5.0. > The release is available for download at: > > http://code.google.com/p/liblouis/downloads/list > > Introduction > ------------ > > Liblouis is an open-source braille translator and back-translator. It > features support for computer, literary and math braille, supports > contracted and uncontracted translation for many, many languages[1]. > It plays an important role in an open source accessibility stack and > is used by screenreaders such as NVDA and Orca. A companion project > liblouisutdml/liblouisxml[2] deals with formatting of braille. > > Changes in this release > ----------------------- > > This release contains a tremendous amount of work many developers. > Many long standing bugs have been fixed. The tables can finally be in > UTF-8. A grand table cleanup removed duplication from the tables. > There are now two extensive test frameworks for table writers. A > number of new tables have been contributed on top of the usual > assortment of table improvements. Thanks to all of this liblouis has > already seen quite a bit of uptake in a number of places, notably the > new DAISY pipeline will ship with this release of liblouis. > > NOTE: If you have private tables you might want to migrate them to > utf-8. To do this just use iconv as follows: > > $ iconv -f latin-1 -t utf-8 output > > New features > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > * New Braille tables > - Estonian grade 0, thanks to Jürgen Dengo. > - Portuguese 8 dot Computer braille, Thanks to Rui Fontes > * UTF-8 support in tables > Braille tables can now contain UTF-8 in the opcode arguments. > * Improvements to the python bindings > All constants defined in liblouis.h are now exposed in the bindings. > * Add a doctest infrastructure > These tests are based on the Python doctest framework and are only > run if there is a Python interpreter on the system > * Add a test harness > This test infrastructure allows the user to do table tests in a > simple and concise syntax. These tests are based on the Python > nose testing framework and are only run if either Python 2.x or > 3.x with the related nose python module is installed on the > system. See the documentation for more information. Thanks to > Mesar Hameed. > * Add a test harness generator > A harness generator that uses simple text files with a little > formatting to help to generate the json harness files. The purpose > of this tool is to make it much easier and faster to add checks > for a given table. You are expected to read the generated harness > file and make necessary changes, the tool only helps you to get > the tests into the harness format, not check their validity. > * Support for Python 3 in the Python bindings > The Python bindings now work for both Python 2 and Python 3. > Thanks to Michael Whapples. > > Improved C-based test framework > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - Improved the test framework to be able to test translations > involving Unicode. > - Added numerous tests, e.g. for lowercase and Unicode, for the > input position, for repeated, etc. > > Improved the documentation > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - Document the test harness (json format, fields, flags). > - Document the use of Valgrind to find memory leaks > - Improve the documentation on the display opcode > > Bug fixes > ~~~~~~~~~~ > - lou_allround and lou_translate now properly handle Unicode > characters > - Fix some issues reported by Valgrind > - Fix inputPos for situation where context and multipass opcodes > are involved > - Fixed a number of bugs with the letter, uppercase and lowercase > opcodes when dealing with Unicode > - Fixed a couple of bugs with hyphenation (documentation, Python > bindings and a number of buffer overruns in the C library). > Thanks Milan Zamazal for reporting this. > - Fix a bug in the $a. matcher in the multipass rules where only 32 > chars were matched. It now matches 0xffff chars. > - Fix a bug reported by James Teh related to pass1Only > > Braille Table Improvements > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - all table files have consistent encoding, UTF-8. > - The grand table cleanup: Reorganize the tables to remove > duplication. Move common parts such as Latin letter, eight and > six dot digit definitions to separate files which are then > included. This should ease table maintenance. Thanks to Mesar Hameed. > - Fixes to de-de-comp8.ctb thanks to Aliminator83 at gmail.com > - hu1.ctb renamed to hu-hu-g1.ctb > - hu.ctb renamed to hu-hu-comp8.ctb > - eo.ctb renamed to eo-g1.ctb > - Fixes to eo-g1.ctb thanks to Aaron Cannon > > - hu-hu-g1.ctb: improvements and extensive test harness, with > working back-translation, Thanks to Hammer Attila > - Fixes to fr-bfu-comp6.utb and fr-bfu-comp8.utb thanks to Michel > Such > - Fixes to no-no-g3.ctb thanks to Lars Bjørndal > " > > Liblouis 2.5.1 release containing following bug fixes, released monday > evening: > "The liblouis developer team is proud to announce the liblouis release > 2.5.1. > The release is available for download at: > > http://code.google.com/p/liblouis/downloads/list > > Changes in this release > ----------------------- > > Braille Table Improvements > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > - Fix encoding problem in italian table and added more character > definitions. Thanks to Simone Dal Maso . > - Rename it-it-g1.utb to it-it-comp6.utb and it-it-g1.utb2 to > it-it-comp8.utb. > > Bug fixes > ~~~~~~~~~ > > - Fix outputPos and inlen where an input character generates multiple > output characters." > > Attila > -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk From petra at access-for-all.ch Fri Sep 28 08:32:00 2012 From: petra at access-for-all.ch (Petra Ritter) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:32:00 +0200 Subject: What is happen to the installer of Ubuntu 12.10 Beta 2? Message-ID: <50656080.3090603@access-for-all.ch> Hello, I try to Install the Beta 2 version of Ubuntu 12.10 in VMWare Player 5. I am able to run Orca by pressing CTRL+S, however Orca says Installer inaccessible. Could somebody to try to reproduce this problem, please in order to write a bug report. thank you, in advance Mit freundlichen Grüssen/ Best regards Petra Ritter Ochsenwiese 562 CH 9035 Grub From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Sep 28 08:35:52 2012 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:35:52 +0200 Subject: Will be ship Quantal with Liblouis 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 release? Very important packaging a new version to works Orca with contracted braille feature in Ubuntu 12.10. In-Reply-To: <506558A3.3070806@ubuntu.com> References: <50654F16.2070609@pickup.hu> <506558A3.3070806@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <50656168.9050706@pickup.hu> Hy Alan, Your openion better have chance land Liblouis latest upstream release officialy with next developing cicle both Ubuntu and Debian Sid? Beta2 I think very near for Ubuntu perspective. I packaged my Precise PPA with latest Liblouis release, I used original upstream version and I think I put the 2.4.1 debian folder the package structure. If need, I have a bzr repository and will be upload the package source. I send you a tar.gz the debian folder with I using? Possible need reviewing the debian folder have files, but the package is builded and installed right. I doed this packaging because Liblouis latest release containing a new wonderful hungarian grade1 table. Quantal now ship Orca Python3 based version I think (actual Ubuntu repository awailable package version is 3.7.0.93-0ubuntu1). If now latest Liblouis version packaging is not possible, possible add a note for the final Quantal release notes with Orca Ubuntu awailable version not supporting contraction table feature? Attila From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at Fri Sep 28 08:37:16 2012 From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (simon.eigeldinger at vol.at) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:37:16 +0200 Subject: What is happen to the installer of Ubuntu 12.10 Beta 2? In-Reply-To: <50656080.3090603@access-for-all.ch> References: <50656080.3090603@access-for-all.ch> Message-ID: hi petra, you might try the recent daily build. i never deal with betas cause they are often more broken than the dailies ;-). cause something that bas been broken in the beta might have been fixed already. get this iso: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-i386.iso greetings, simon On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:32:00 +0200 Petra Ritter wrote: > Hello, > > I try to Install the Beta 2 version of Ubuntu 12.10 in VMWare >Player 5. > I am able to run Orca by pressing CTRL+S, however Orca says >Installer inaccessible. > > Could somebody to try to reproduce this problem, please in order to >write a bug report. > > thank you, in advance > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüssen/ Best regards > > Petra Ritter > Ochsenwiese 562 > CH 9035 Grub > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Simon Eigeldinger simon.eigeldinger at vol.at From petra at access-for-all.ch Fri Sep 28 16:17:26 2012 From: petra at access-for-all.ch (Petra Ritter) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:17:26 +0200 Subject: Installer of Ubuntu 12.10 still in accesseble!!! Message-ID: <5065CD96.5030909@access-for-all.ch> Hello Simon, There seem to be still a Problem with the accessibility of the Installer. Meanwhile I am able to give you detailed information about what is happen. Firstly I downloaded the Image again from the URL that your have posted on this list, to make sure that I use the right one. After setting up a virtual Machine in VMware Player 5 and starting it. I was waiting for the drum-roll sound as a sign that the Installer is ready. Then I press CTRL+S that ironically opens the search dialogue for searching the Name of the Language for the Installation, so that I press the escape key and CTRL+S again now Orca was coming up. The first Screen of the Installer is accessible however not the following. So that I lost speech from the second screen of the Installer for the rest of the installation. Could you to try to reproduce this problem, please in order to write a bug report. thank you, in advance Mit freundlichen Grüssen/ Best regards Petra Ritter Ochsenwiese 562 CH 9035 Grub From vilmar at informal.com.br Fri Sep 28 20:50:12 2012 From: vilmar at informal.com.br (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?=) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:50:12 -0300 Subject: Installer of Ubuntu 12.10 still in accesseble!!! In-Reply-To: <5065CD96.5030909@access-for-all.ch> References: <5065CD96.5030909@access-for-all.ch> Message-ID: <50660D84.2090602@informal.com.br> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Confirmed trying to install with qemu. I had no problems to install beta 1. On 09/28/2012 01:17 PM, Petra Ritter wrote: > Hello Simon, > > There seem to be still a Problem with the accessibility of the > Installer. > > Meanwhile I am able to give you detailed information about what is > happen. > > Firstly I downloaded the Image again from the URL that your have > posted on this list, to make sure that I use the right one. > > After setting up a virtual Machine in VMware Player 5 and starting > it. I was waiting for the drum-roll sound as a sign that the > Installer is ready. Then I press CTRL+S that ironically opens the > search dialogue for searching the Name of the Language for the > Installation, so that I press the escape key and CTRL+S again now > Orca was coming up. The first Screen of the Installer is accessible > however not the following. So that I lost speech from the second > screen of the Installer for the rest of the installation. > > > Could you to try to reproduce this problem, please in order to > write a bug report. > > thank you, in advance > > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüssen/ Best regards > > Petra Ritter Ochsenwiese 562 CH 9035 Grub > > - -- {}S José Vilmar Estácio de Souza -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQZg2EAAoJEPMEywZ3KXznZEkIAIjTggMhI7+IWor61Ma5mzJV sb6Vh+U93mZodOz43HOvMDYiKZbchRWVJHq/0uiLEp+1HnycNs93+9GNJbkCrHDw TxujOdEktYnOESoZxYTmsvMWKvniosP4mUVTnOsI5vmNN6oHUTo31ECH50DqxWml Th3GWXNSY1NhT2WU58593JcpZOCfO8K40/xh9/JRlciDk6N6p796R2kVzffo2gmA 1k00u8v+QzD9NJfgBOEgkxkraseVdkohMBYe3K6yN9b0CBu2ScdZ0jXWUpnoQ2nD H2cpIvkaVBoRGvZuFfFHNwyGiRO2NDvUocp7uBvkUbMdnDoRJ+dU9pZyWDxa8vM= =Xbvw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Sep 29 14:53:13 2012 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:53:13 +0200 Subject: pidgin-skype and Orca References: <5064A14A.2020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <560095B3D8764384BE74B79036D09EF7@milton> How do I enable keyboard shortcuts? I could not find such an adjustment in Skype and Pidging. Right now I manage to see my contacts in Pidgin and I can make calls. But when I receive a call I cannot accept the call even by pressing enter on the accept button. My sighted assistant can click with the mouse on it and that works. Even with the flat review of Orca I cannot activate the accept button. What should I do to accept incoming calls? Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: B. Henry To: Milton Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: Re: pidgin-skype and Orca either skype or the skype dbus option have always worked here. Sadly At least in older Ubuntu releases you can't accept calls with the pidgin plugin anymore either. As long as you've given permission to use pidgin in skype you should have no trouble, and honestly I don't even think I had to do this. Other's have said that they can accept calls directly with Skype in precise I believe. Get sighted help and make sure thhat keyboard shortcuts are enabled, and that pidgin is allowed access. On 09/27/2012 08:54 AM, Milton wrote: Hi List, I run Ubuntu Precise, Unity 2D and Orca 3,4.2. I installed Skype 4.0.0.8 and would like to use it through Pidgin. The reason is that I cannot accept calls in Skype. I also installed skype4pidgin10.deb and in Pidgin I notice in the list of Protocols Skype and Skype D-bus. Somehow Pidgin cannot connect with Skype. Do I have to adjest other settings? Your help is very welcome. Milton -- B. Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Sun Sep 30 15:06:22 2012 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 17:06:22 +0200 Subject: Will be ship Quantal with Liblouis 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 release? Very important packaging a new version to works Orca with contracted braille feature in Ubuntu 12.10. In-Reply-To: <506558A3.3070806@ubuntu.com> References: <50654F16.2070609@pickup.hu> <506558A3.3070806@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <20120930150622.GW5868@type.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> Hello, Alan Bell, le Fri 28 Sep 2012 08:58:27 +0100, a écrit : > looks like this is 2.4.1 in Debian too > http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/liblouis > > so this is more than a sync request from debian I have just uploaded 2.5.1 into debian experimental. Samuel From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sun Sep 30 18:35:03 2012 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:35:03 +0200 Subject: [orca-list] Orca and Pidgin References: <6F458B666E61450A8CAD53DFE67BB64B@milton> Message-ID: Hi, I just don't know how and what I did, but when somebody calls by Skype Pidgin automatically accept the call. So for now the problem is solved. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: Milton To: Orca-list at gnome.org Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:44 PM Subject: [orca-list] Orca and Pidgin Hi all, I run Orca 3.4.2 in Ubuntu 12.04 Unity 2D. When I use Pidgin 2.10.3 for to Skype the button to accept an incoming call cannot be pressed by pressing the Enter key nor with the Orca flat review keys. Is this a problem with Orca or with Pidgin? Can it be solved and how? Thank you in advance. Milton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list at gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. 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