From norbking at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 21:43:56 2013 From: norbking at gmail.com (Norman King) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:43:56 -0500 Subject: new to the list. Message-ID: <004f01ce00c5$3d6a5860$b83f0920$@gmail.com> Hi all. I subscribed to the list last night and haven't received a single message from it. Did I subscribe incorrectly or is this a low traffic mailing list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 21:49:23 2013 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:49:23 -0700 Subject: new to the list. In-Reply-To: <004f01ce00c5$3d6a5860$b83f0920$@gmail.com> References: <004f01ce00c5$3d6a5860$b83f0920$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, the list is low traphic. Jeremy On Feb 1, 2013 2:44 PM, "Norman King" wrote: > Hi all.**** > > I subscribed to the list last night and haven’t received a single message > from it.**** > > Did I subscribe incorrectly or is this a low traffic mailing list.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DON.RAIKES at ORACLE.COM Mon Feb 4 17:23:53 2013 From: DON.RAIKES at ORACLE.COM (Don Raikes) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:23:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: ubuntu 12.04 server accessible installation Message-ID: Hello, Since I am looking for a console-based Linux distribution, and am very familiar with ubuntu, I thought I would try a ubuntu server installation. Is there any documentation on how to install ubuntu server and configure it for accessibility? I will need Speakup and brltty (preferably available for installation as well as post-installation). Any tips appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Feb 5 05:31:57 2013 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:31:57 +1100 Subject: Call for testing, at-spi2-core 2.6.3 for Ubuntu 12.10. Message-ID: <20130205053157.GA2243@acapella.yelavich.home> Hey folks, This is a call for testing of at-spi2-core 2.6.4 for 12.10 updates. The update is in quantal-proposed now, and needs testing so that it can be let thorugh to quantal-updates. Please read https://launchpad.net/bugs/1099275 for instructions on how to get the proposed upate and test. Thanks. Luke From lists at wolfdream.ca Tue Feb 5 12:29:11 2013 From: lists at wolfdream.ca (S. Massy) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 07:29:11 -0500 Subject: new to the list. In-Reply-To: <004f01ce00c5$3d6a5860$b83f0920$@gmail.com> References: <004f01ce00c5$3d6a5860$b83f0920$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130205122911.GA1292@solidbox> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:43:56PM -0500, Norman King wrote: > Hi all. > > I subscribed to the list last night and haven't received a single message > from it. > > Did I subscribe incorrectly or is this a low traffic mailing list. Yes, but, as Jeremy said, it's a very quiet list. If you're looking for something a little more active, and aren't already on it, you might try the Orca mailing list: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Cheers, S.M. From chaltain at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 15:42:05 2013 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 09:42:05 -0600 Subject: Other mailing lists [was "Re: new to the list."] In-Reply-To: <20130205122911.GA1292@solidbox> References: <004f01ce00c5$3d6a5860$b83f0920$@gmail.com> <20130205122911.GA1292@solidbox> Message-ID: <5111284D.6040202@gmail.com> On 05/02/13 06:29, S. Massy wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:43:56PM -0500, Norman King wrote: >> I subscribed to the list last night and haven't received a single message >> from it. >> >> Did I subscribe incorrectly or is this a low traffic mailing list. > Yes, but, as Jeremy said, it's a very quiet list. If you're looking for > something a little more active, and aren't already on it, you might try > the Orca mailing list: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list True, but the Orca list is (or should be) for Orca related questions and discussions. IMHO, too many people use it for general purpose discussions on distributions, Speakup and so on. The list is pretty lightly moderated, but I know we've lost good contributors to that list because they don't want to have to listen to debates on which distribution is the best. There are other all purpose Linux lists for the blind, if you want a list like that. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From burt1iband at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 05:09:34 2013 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (B. Henry) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:09:34 -0600 Subject: shrinking a partition on a thumb drive In-Reply-To: <65B622E7A722434DAD27992B0BE63E8C@your2c061f0461> References: <65B622E7A722434DAD27992B0BE63E8C@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: <511F148E.1070805@gmail.com> Maybe this has long since been answered, but as I just saw this for the first time and don't see any replies perhaps it hasn't been answered. I'm assuming that you are using a standard squashed file system installation on the thumbdrive and that the whole drive's formated fat32. Is this correct? Have you done much customizing, or installed software that you built from source or that comes from non-standard repos, etc? If not I'd just re do things from scratch after making the 4gig fat partition and what other one you want. What are you planning on doing with the other partition? How did you want to format the other partition? Regards, -- B.H. On 08/13/2012 06:36 PM, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I am running Ubuntu 10.04, and I have it installed on an 8GB thumb drive as > well. > I boot from the CD, and unmount the thumb drive. > I open gParted, and select /dev/sdb1 which is correct. > Then I go to move/resize and I change the unallocated size to 4096 MB. > then when I apply the action, it fails every time. > I tried this in Parted using sudo as well, and it said that the action is > not supported at this time. > My goal is to make a 4GB partition on the SD card. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > -- B. Henry From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Tue Feb 19 00:30:47 2013 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:30:47 +0100 Subject: Accessibility topic of LSM 2013 Message-ID: <20130219003047.GS7019@type.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr>                                     LSM/RMLL 2013                  14th Libre Software Meeting                       July 6-11, 2013                      Brussels, BELGIUM                    http://2013.rmll.info/               Call For Papers and Participation            limited on health & accessibility topic      [we apologize for duplicate receipt of this message]          Last call before deadline : march *31st* 2013 Sharing of knowledge, freedom of information, community spirit, exchange of ideas, technological progress: every year the Libre Software Meeting (LSM) follows the Libre philosophy. RMLL/LSM are non-commercial series of conferences, round tables discussions and practical workshops based on Libre/Free Software and its uses. Its aim is to provide a platform for Libre/Free Software users, developers and stakeholders. Access to LSM is free of charge and open to everyone. The conference will be held in Brussels from July 6 to July 11, 2013. We hereby announce the opportunity to submit papers for selection by the technical review committee for the RMLL/LSM 2013. Each year the accessibility, autonomy and dependency management workshop is held as part of this broader meeting. The LSM committee aims to disseminate and improve Libre projects in the health and accessibility domains through this workshop. To better target the various exchanges that will be taking place, the programme committee of the health & accessibility workshop proposes several kinds of meetings: - "Solution" meetings, with conferences  and round tables to present solutions dedicated to previous areas. - "State of the art" conferences between practitioners, developers, scientists and users to discuss about what exists according to the specific needs of users, what works well or a little less well, to talk about approaches... - "Technical" presentations between developers and scientists. This will allow initiation of exchanges between communities that do not necessarily have the opportunity to meet and will maybe lead to new collaborations or projects. Finally, a workshop area will be available to try out and exchange tools presented by their authors or by seasoned users of those solutions. ... Information on health workshops from previous annual meetings are available on : - http://schedule2012.rmll.info/-Accessibilite-autonomie-et-gestion-de-la-dependance- You will be able to attend conferences  on other related issues such as "System Administration" (like Nagios, GLPI, Cfengine, ...), "Development" (like NoSQL, Lucene, GCC, ...), "Law" (like Licenses,OpenData, FSF, ...), "Internet" (WebGL, Jabber, Typo3, ...), ... All previous conferences are available on : - http://schedule2012.rmll.info/ This year, LSM will have as guiding thread "Everyday Freedom", which can be particularly suited to the accessibility topic :) If you are interested to participate, please submit your presentation at: http://2013.rmll.info/submit-your-talk/talk/new Please feel free to share this information with others people who may be interested. 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Sponsoring ========== If you wish to support the initiative and gain visibility by sponsoring this event, please contact us by sending an e-mail to sponsoring(AT)listes2013.rmll.info Professionals, organisations and companies wishing to financially support the RMLL/LSM can find more information on the website: http://2013.rmll.info/en/partners-and-sponsors Web site ================= Event web site : http://2013.rmll.info/ CfP website : http://2013.rmll.info/cfp Best regards, Programme Commitee of the LSM 2013 health/accessibility topic From chaltain at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:00:50 2013 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:00:50 -0600 Subject: Fwd: Re: [orca-list] [ubuntu] updated a11y page In-Reply-To: <5123AA6B.3020004@gmail.com> References: <5123AA6B.3020004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123AFC2.5040603@gmail.com> Sorry for the cross posting, and I know those on the Orca list have already seen this, but I just wanted to bring the following to everyone's attention. Bill Dengler has taken his opinion that Vinux is irrelevant and not needed from the Orca list to the Ubuntu accessibility community wiki. I make my opinion known below. Given the open nature of wikis, I'm not sure what any one can do to keep such a personal opinion from being portrayed as the communities opinion. I also think it's a shame that Bill Dengler seems to have such a grudge against Vinux. He seems to have a lot to contribute otherwise. He doesn't call out other distros though, like Sonar or F123, so there seems to be something specific about vinux where he feels compelled to tell the world how irrelevant and unnecessary it is. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [orca-list] [ubuntu] updated a11y page Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:38:03 -0600 From: Christopher Chaltain To: orca-list at gnome.org I think the statement that Vinux is not needed any more on this page is inappropriate. I think this is a personal opinion that we already discussed on this list. If anything, this is the opinion of one person or a few people and not necessarily the opinion of the entire Ubuntu accessibility community. IMHO, Vinux is not irrelevant Of course, you could say that any distro or flavor is irrelevant or not needed, but distros and flavors spring up for a reason. I have a rather long list of steps I follow to get stock Ubuntu to the point where I can drop it into my production environment, including changing Makefiles and recompiling. To have this done for me in a distro makes that distro relevant. IMHO, Ubuntu accessibility is more than just getting Orca up and running on the desktop. As I said above, this has already been discussed on this list, and I think you've been involved in those discussions. I'd suggest reviewing the archives of this list and that discussion. I'd also suggest taking this off the Orca list and maybe over to the Ubuntu Accessibility list. Finally, I'd suggest being receptive to feedback on this content. On 19/02/13 09:31, Bill Dengler wrote: > How so? I installed Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB flash drive onto this linux > laptop, used it, upgraded it to 13.04, am still using it without issues, > am typing this e-mail on said install, and about to press ctrl+enter and > send it. There was a time when Linux a11y was hard to set up, where > gnome wasn't even fully accessible, where we were using this gnopernicus > screen reader that gave us minimal access etc. Those times we needed a > simple, insert the disk, push a button and start up a talking system > disk. But the standard Ubuntu media with no modifications does this and > does it well, and so Vinux is irrelevant. > On 02/19/2013 10:25 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 03:18:05PM GMT, Luke Yelavich wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 02:46:14PM GMT, Bill Dengler wrote: >>>> I updated Ubuntu's a11y page. Does this look correct/current? Do you >>>> suggest anything else? >>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility >>> I don't really think its worth mentioning Vinux on an Ubuntu page. Vinux is not really recognised as an official derivative of Ubuntu, and likely never will, due to the use of 3rd-party repositories and a development cycle thats not in sync with ubuntu, among other things. >> And, it could be argued that the blurb about vinux and its relevance or otherwise is a matter of personal opinion. >> >> Luke >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list at gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list at gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From krmane at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:42:33 2013 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:12:33 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Re: [orca-list] [ubuntu] updated a11y page In-Reply-To: <5123AFC2.5040603@gmail.com> References: <5123AA6B.3020004@gmail.com> <5123AFC2.5040603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123B989.9090501@gmail.com> If one distro is named, then the person must make his stand clear and the reasons for it. May be there is a point which some might agree, but get the points out at least. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/19/2013 10:30 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Sorry for the cross posting, and I know those on the Orca list have > already seen this, but I just wanted to bring the following to > everyone's attention. Bill Dengler has taken his opinion that Vinux is > irrelevant and not needed from the Orca list to the Ubuntu accessibility > community wiki. I make my opinion known below. Given the open nature of > wikis, I'm not sure what any one can do to keep such a personal opinion > from being portrayed as the communities opinion. I also think it's a > shame that Bill Dengler seems to have such a grudge against Vinux. He > seems to have a lot to contribute otherwise. He doesn't call out other > distros though, like Sonar or F123, so there seems to be something > specific about vinux where he feels compelled to tell the world how > irrelevant and unnecessary it is. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [orca-list] [ubuntu] updated a11y page > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:38:03 -0600 > From: Christopher Chaltain > To: orca-list at gnome.org > > I think the statement that Vinux is not needed any more on this page is > inappropriate. I think this is a personal opinion that we already > discussed on this list. If anything, this is the opinion of one person > or a few people and not necessarily the opinion of the entire Ubuntu > accessibility community. > > IMHO, Vinux is not irrelevant Of course, you could say that any distro > or flavor is irrelevant or not needed, but distros and flavors spring up > for a reason. > > I have a rather long list of steps I follow to get stock Ubuntu to the > point where I can drop it into my production environment, including > changing Makefiles and recompiling. To have this done for me in a distro > makes that distro relevant. IMHO, Ubuntu accessibility is more than just > getting Orca up and running on the desktop. > > As I said above, this has already been discussed on this list, and I > think you've been involved in those discussions. I'd suggest reviewing > the archives of this list and that discussion. I'd also suggest taking > this off the Orca list and maybe over to the Ubuntu Accessibility list. > Finally, I'd suggest being receptive to feedback on this content. > On 19/02/13 09:31, Bill Dengler wrote: >> How so? I installed Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB flash drive onto this linux >> laptop, used it, upgraded it to 13.04, am still using it without issues, >> am typing this e-mail on said install, and about to press ctrl+enter and >> send it. There was a time when Linux a11y was hard to set up, where >> gnome wasn't even fully accessible, where we were using this gnopernicus >> screen reader that gave us minimal access etc. Those times we needed a >> simple, insert the disk, push a button and start up a talking system >> disk. But the standard Ubuntu media with no modifications does this and >> does it well, and so Vinux is irrelevant. >> On 02/19/2013 10:25 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 03:18:05PM GMT, Luke Yelavich wrote: >>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 02:46:14PM GMT, Bill Dengler wrote: >>>>> I updated Ubuntu's a11y page. Does this look correct/current? Do you >>>>> suggest anything else? >>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility >>>> I don't really think its worth mentioning Vinux on an Ubuntu page. Vinux is not really recognised as an official derivative of Ubuntu, and likely never will, due to the use of 3rd-party repositories and a development cycle thats not in sync with ubuntu, among other things. >>> And, it could be argued that the blurb about vinux and its relevance or otherwise is a matter of personal opinion. >>> >>> Luke >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list at gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list at gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> From pstowe at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:45:48 2013 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:45:48 -0500 Subject: [orca-list] [ubuntu] updated a11y page In-Reply-To: <5123AFC2.5040603@gmail.com> References: <5123AA6B.3020004@gmail.com> <5123AFC2.5040603@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Sorry for the cross posting, and I know those on the Orca list have > already seen this, but I just wanted to bring the following to > everyone's attention. Bill Dengler has taken his opinion that Vinux is > irrelevant and not needed from the Orca list to the Ubuntu accessibility > community wiki. I'm not sure why anything was added about Vinux. It's unnecessary. There was no mention of it before the revision. I am reverting the page to an earlier version. If Bill sees this, he can feel free to contact me about it. The wiki is not a place for opinions, especially on the front page, regardless of what those opinions are. I hope the Vinux folks know (and I think they should considering previous contact), that the opinion stated does not represent the views of the Ubuntu Accessibility Team as a whole. ~Penelope Ubuntu Accessibility Team -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chaltain at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 18:15:08 2013 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:15:08 -0600 Subject: [orca-list] [ubuntu] updated a11y page In-Reply-To: References: <5123AA6B.3020004@gmail.com> <5123AFC2.5040603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123C12C.9010003@gmail.com> Thanks Penelope. I haven't seen what was on the page before his most recent update, but I suspect he did make some valuable contributions. I'm not sure if just the references to Vinux could be struck. Again, and thanks. On 19/02/13 11:45, Penelope Stowe wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Christopher Chaltain > > wrote: > > Sorry for the cross posting, and I know those on the Orca list have > already seen this, but I just wanted to bring the following to > everyone's attention. Bill Dengler has taken his opinion that Vinux is > irrelevant and not needed from the Orca list to the Ubuntu accessibility > community wiki. > > > I'm not sure why anything was added about Vinux. It's unnecessary. There > was no mention of it before the revision. I am reverting the page to an > earlier version. If Bill sees this, he can feel free to contact me about > it. The wiki is not a place for opinions, especially on the front page, > regardless of what those opinions are. > > I hope the Vinux folks know (and I think they should considering > previous contact), that the opinion stated does not represent the views > of the Ubuntu Accessibility Team as a whole. > > ~Penelope > Ubuntu Accessibility Team -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From milton at tomaatnet.nl Thu Feb 21 19:53:41 2013 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:53:41 +0100 Subject: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest Message-ID: <8FB7F67318824878AB3347D4A3961EA6@milton> Hi, I run 12.04 Unity 2D with Orca 3,4,2. When I start virtualbox in a terminal the following message was shown: Qt WARNING: WARNING Qt AtSpiAdaptor: Could not find accessible on path: "/org/a11y/atspi/accessible/152268072" Qt WARNING: AtSpiAdaptor::notifyAboutDestruction: Could not find parent for QWidget(0x92e7db0) 0 milton at piano:~$ Is ther something missing for virtualbox to work properly? Thank you in advance. Milton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chaltain at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 22:16:19 2013 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:16:19 -0600 Subject: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest In-Reply-To: <8FB7F67318824878AB3347D4A3961EA6@milton> References: <8FB7F67318824878AB3347D4A3961EA6@milton> Message-ID: <51269CB3.4090404@gmail.com> Are you running VirtualBox on a 64-bit system? If so, you might have to install the 32-bit version of the QT accessibility library. I don't have the command handy, but I believe it's the i386 version of the qt-at-spi package. On 21/02/13 13:53, Milton wrote: > Hi, > I run 12.04 Unity 2D with Orca 3,4,2. When I start > virtualbox in a > terminal the following message was shown: > Qt WARNING: WARNING Qt AtSpiAdaptor: Could > not find accessible on path: > "/org/a11y/atspi/accessible/152268072" > Qt WARNING: AtSpiAdaptor::notifyAboutDestruction: > Could not find parent > for QWidget(0x92e7db0) 0 > milton at piano:~$ > Is ther something missing for virtualbox to work properly? > Thank you in > advance. > Milton > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Feb 21 23:10:30 2013 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:10:30 +0000 Subject: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest In-Reply-To: <51269CB3.4090404@gmail.com> References: <8FB7F67318824878AB3347D4A3961EA6@milton> <51269CB3.4090404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130221231030.GB9050@acapella.yelavich.home> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:16:19PM GMT, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Are you running VirtualBox on a 64-bit system? If so, you might have to > install the 32-bit version of the QT accessibility library. I don't have > the command handy, but I believe it's the i386 version of the qt-at-spi > package. sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 Luke From milton at tomaatnet.nl Fri Feb 22 16:46:05 2013 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:46:05 +0100 Subject: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest References: <8FB7F67318824878AB3347D4A3961EA6@milton><51269CB3.4090404@gmail.com> <20130221231030.GB9050@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <6CBBB57B31BC4F66B47F5313F39BFD7B@milton> My machine is 32bit but I did: sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 and the terminal says that at-spi is already the latest version. Anyway I was now able to install a guest. Many thanks! Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Yelavich" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:10 AM Subject: Re: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:16:19PM GMT, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> Are you running VirtualBox on a 64-bit system? If so, you might have to >> install the 32-bit version of the QT accessibility library. I don't have >> the command handy, but I believe it's the i386 version of the qt-at-spi >> package. > > sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From chaltain at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 17:20:32 2013 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:20:32 -0600 Subject: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest In-Reply-To: <6CBBB57B31BC4F66B47F5313F39BFD7B@milton> References: <8FB7F67318824878AB3347D4A3961EA6@milton><51269CB3.4090404@gmail.com> <20130221231030.GB9050@acapella.yelavich.home> <6CBBB57B31BC4F66B47F5313F39BFD7B@milton> Message-ID: <5127A8E0.1050801@gmail.com> If you're running a 32-bit version of Ubuntu,you shouldn't need to install the i386 version of qt-at-spi, since that will already be there, as you noticed. BTW, how did you get it to work if that wasn't the issue? On 22/02/13 10:46, Milton wrote: > My machine is 32bit but I did: > sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 > and the terminal says that at-spi is already the latest version. Anyway > I was now able to install a guest. Many thanks! > Milton > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Yelavich" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:10 AM > Subject: Re: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest > > >> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:16:19PM GMT, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>> Are you running VirtualBox on a 64-bit system? If so, you might have to >>> install the 32-bit version of the QT accessibility library. I don't have >>> the command handy, but I believe it's the i386 version of the qt-at-spi >>> package. >> >> sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 >> >> Luke >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From milton at tomaatnet.nl Fri Feb 22 19:28:11 2013 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:28:11 +0100 Subject: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest References: <8FB7F67318824878AB3347D4A3961EA6@milton><51269CB3.4090404@gmail.com> <20130221231030.GB9050@acapella.yelavich.home> <6CBBB57B31BC4F66B47F5313F39BFD7B@milton> Message-ID: <028A045057334032A4C9452D235E8F50@milton> I was very surprised how well Orca works with virtualbox, not for 100% but enough to find my way. After starting virtualbox I pressed Control_N for to start similar clicking on the button NEW, which is not accessible for Orca. The Tab key navigates through the items. After finishing the settings of a Guest it will show in the List. Rightclicking on the Guest opens a submenu accessible with the arrow keys. Also the flat review keys read some of the screen. A very important thing is to add a cd / dvd player for to install from a cd or dvd. This was done by first open the Setting menu and tab once from the Save Option. Orca says Tree and I did a right click to open the dropdown menu. With the arrow down key I then do the rest. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Raikes" To: "Milton" Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:54 PM Subject: RE: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest How well does virtualbox work on ubuntu? I have been trying to use it under windows and the interface is almost totally inaccessible. -----Original Message----- From: Milton [mailto:milton at tomaatnet.nl] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:46 AM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest My machine is 32bit but I did: sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 and the terminal says that at-spi is already the latest version. Anyway I was now able to install a guest. Many thanks! Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Yelavich" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:10 AM Subject: Re: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:16:19PM GMT, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> Are you running VirtualBox on a 64-bit system? If so, you might have >> to install the 32-bit version of the QT accessibility library. I >> don't have the command handy, but I believe it's the i386 version of >> the qt-at-spi package. > > sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 > > Luke > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From milton at tomaatnet.nl Fri Feb 22 19:28:12 2013 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:28:12 +0100 Subject: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest References: <8FB7F67318824878AB3347D4A3961EA6@milton><51269CB3.4090404@gmail.com><20130221231030.GB9050@acapella.yelavich.home><6CBBB57B31BC4F66B47F5313F39BFD7B@milton> <5127A8E0.1050801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14D8E2001DD1495CB435727D09A8E67D@milton> I really can't tell. Before the cd with the install of the Guest stops spinning and a message appears that there was no bootable cd found. Now the installation runs succesfully. Maybe it wasn't the qt-at-spi but as an end user I cannot figure out furthermore. I am happy to look forward to try 13.04 and Orca and keeping 12.04 for daily use. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 6:20 PM Subject: Re: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest > If you're running a 32-bit version of Ubuntu,you shouldn't need to > install the i386 version of qt-at-spi, since that will already be there, > as you noticed. BTW, how did you get it to work if that wasn't the issue? > > On 22/02/13 10:46, Milton wrote: >> My machine is 32bit but I did: >> sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 >> and the terminal says that at-spi is already the latest version. Anyway >> I was now able to install a guest. Many thanks! >> Milton >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Yelavich" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:10 AM >> Subject: Re: virtualbox in 12.04 refuses to install a guest >> >> >>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:16:19PM GMT, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> Are you running VirtualBox on a 64-bit system? If so, you might have to >>>> install the 32-bit version of the QT accessibility library. I don't >>>> have >>>> the command handy, but I believe it's the i386 version of the qt-at-spi >>>> package. >>> >>> sudo apt-get install qt-at-spi:i386 >>> >>> Luke >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >>> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> >> > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Feb 23 06:37:47 2013 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:37:47 +0100 Subject: Future Ubuntu phones and tablets: will be possible using this devices with Orca and other a11y tools? Message-ID: <512863BB.90701@pickup.hu> Hy, Canonical publicate some exciting articles with future awailable Ubuntu phones and tablets related. Some links: 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet The Ars Technica article this topic related: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ubuntu-for-tablets-arriving-on-nexus-7-nexus-10-this-week/ 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone Future with this devices (Nexus 7/Nexus 10 tablets, and future awailable Ubuntu phones) possible using the special Ubuntu release with any a11y tools, for example visual impaired users possible using anyway this devices with Orca Screen Reader? Attila From themuso at ubuntu.com Sat Feb 23 11:17:30 2013 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:17:30 +0000 Subject: Future Ubuntu phones and tablets: will be possible using this devices with Orca and other a11y tools? In-Reply-To: <512863BB.90701@pickup.hu> References: <512863BB.90701@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <20130223111729.GA3240@acapella.yelavich.home> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 06:37:47AM GMT, Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > Canonical publicate some exciting articles with future awailable Ubuntu > phones and tablets related. > Some links: > 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet > The Ars Technica article this topic related: > http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ubuntu-for-tablets-arriving-on-nexus-7-nexus-10-this-week/ > 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone > > Future with this devices (Nexus 7/Nexus 10 tablets, and future awailable > Ubuntu phones) possible using the special Ubuntu release with any a11y > tools, for example visual impaired users possible using anyway this > devices with Orca Screen Reader? As usual with anything newly released by Canonical showing some new interface, all I can say is that I would really like to get Orca working with this, but at this point I cannot promise anything. I don't work on accessibility full time, and given that the accessibility tools and stack don't support working with touch interfaces yet, it is unlikely there will be anything working any time soon. At this point, my focus is on making sure we have an accessible desktop for 14.04. If I can find time to make the tablet and phone interface work better with accessibility, I will do what I can. Luke From hammera at pickup.hu Sat Feb 23 13:10:02 2013 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:10:02 +0100 Subject: Future Ubuntu phones and tablets: will be possible using this devices with Orca and other a11y tools? In-Reply-To: <20130223111729.GA3240@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <512863BB.90701@pickup.hu> <20130223111729.GA3240@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <5128BFAA.9000808@pickup.hu> Hy, Luke, thank you the answer. Attila