From jmlwsk at toast.net Fri May 3 03:26:32 2013 From: jmlwsk at toast.net (Jeffrey Malewski) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 23:26:32 -0400 Subject: An Accessible Ubuntu Server installation via Braille Display Message-ID: <002101ce47ae$02d3f550$6401a8c0@JRG2XC1> Hi everyone, Pawel Loba reports that he was able to sucessfully install Ubuntu Server 12.04 by starting the installation manually, passing parameters to enable braille support at the boot prompt. I've compiled the steps Pawel used along with the steps Bill Taylor provided to get speakup running on the installed system as a "HowTo" guide. I hope this information is helpful to others. Thank you Bill and Pawel for your contribution:) Jeff Pawel reported that during the installation of Ubuntu Server 12.04 his braille display began behaving erraticly. The solution to that is to exit the gui menu and start the installer manually, passing the appropriate parameters at the command prompt. To manually start the installation of Ubuntu server 12.04 perform the following steps: 1) boot to the Ubutnu Server 12.04 installation CD; 2) After CD stopped spinning, exit the gui menu by pressing the escape key twice and enter key to confirm that you want to perform a manual install; 3) At the boot prompt type: install text brltty=auto and press enter; (this will start a manual install with braille support) The rest of the installation is displayed on your unit, just follow the typical installation screens. Unfortunately after restarting the system there is no Braille support. you will need to install brltty sudo apt-get -y install brltty and press enter. type your password hit enter and waited till your hd goes silent. start brltty: brltty -b auto -d usb: Install alsa sudo apt-get install alsa-utils run < alsamixer > #to un-mute sliders oo below sliders , and 50 or more on slide Install espeakup: sudo apt-get install espeakup -y > Start speakup: modprobe speakup_soft start=1 sh /etc/init.d/espeakup start manually edit /etc/modules to add the line: speakup_soft start=1 to ensure speakup starts after shutdown / restarts. From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Mon May 6 15:09:54 2013 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 08:09:54 -0700 Subject: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04 Message-ID: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> Hello, everyone. I have enjoyed using fedora over the past year or so, but I just do not have time to solve the big problems which I am having with the system. My wife and family who use my system have run into quite a number of issues, and it makes their experience pretty unpleasant. I am thinking about moving back to Ubuntu, but I have a few questions: 1) Does the problem with the Compiz eZoom plugin on Unity 3D still exist (e.g. only the desktop area si zoomed, but the panel and dash remain unaltered)? 2) If I install GNOME Shell, will it be version 3.6 or 3.8? I appreciate your help on this one. Take care, everyone. From krmane at gmail.com Mon May 6 15:12:40 2013 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 20:42:40 +0530 Subject: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04 In-Reply-To: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> References: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5187C868.9050004@gmail.com> Gnome shell is 3.6 on Ubuntu 13.04 by default but you can add 3.8 which in my experience is very accessible and nice to work with. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 05/06/2013 08:39 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I have enjoyed using fedora over the past year or so, but I just do > not have time to solve the big problems which I am having with the > system. My wife and family who use my system have run into quite a > number of issues, and it makes their experience pretty unpleasant. > > I am thinking about moving back to Ubuntu, but I have a few questions: > > 1) Does the problem with the Compiz eZoom plugin on Unity 3D still > exist (e.g. only the desktop area si zoomed, but the panel and dash > remain unaltered)? > > 2) If I install GNOME Shell, will it be version 3.6 or 3.8? > > I appreciate your help on this one. > > Take care, everyone. > From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon May 6 15:16:15 2013 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 11:16:15 -0400 Subject: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04 In-Reply-To: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> References: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5187C93F.4040309@gmail.com> The GNOME shell, in Ubuntu 13.04 seems to be 3.6, but Orca is 3.8. You can upgrade GNOME to 3.8 from an add-on ppa. Would you consider using the GNOME Shell respin of Ubuntu, instead of the default? Might you also consider a more-stable GNOME distro like Opensuse 12.3? Cheers, Dave From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon May 6 22:42:12 2013 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 08:42:12 +1000 Subject: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04 In-Reply-To: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> References: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130506224212.GA3394@acapella.yelavich.home> On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 01:09:54AM EST, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I have enjoyed using fedora over the past year or so, but I just do > not have time to solve the big problems which I am having with the > system. My wife and family who use my system have run into quite a > number of issues, and it makes their experience pretty unpleasant. > > I am thinking about moving back to Ubuntu, but I have a few questions: > > 1) Does the problem with the Compiz eZoom plugin on Unity 3D still > exist (e.g. only the desktop area si zoomed, but the panel and dash > remain unaltered)? Yes, this is still a problem, and won't be solved with the current Compiz+unity code base. At this point I don't know whether a magnifier will be written for the new Unity rewrite in 14.04 either. I will try to push for one, but no promises. Luke From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Tue May 7 00:27:28 2013 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 17:27:28 -0700 Subject: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04 In-Reply-To: <20130506224212.GA3394@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> <20130506224212.GA3394@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <51884A70.4040502@gmail.com> Thank you for your hard work, Luke. Ubuntu has a very special place in my heart. Even though my voice is small, do you think that there is anything that I could do to show developers how vital the presence of a screen magnifier is to low-vision users? I appreciate all of the hard work which you and others have put in over the years. It really saddens me to see what is taking place in the Ubuntu arena. It is the distribution which I started with, and the one which I had hoped to stay with. On 05/06/2013 03:42 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > his is still a problem, and won't be solved with the current Compiz+unity code base. At this point I don't know whether a magnifier will be written for the new Unity rewrite in 14. From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Tue May 7 00:58:18 2013 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 17:58:18 -0700 Subject: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04 In-Reply-To: <20130506224212.GA3394@acapella.yelavich.home> References: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> <20130506224212.GA3394@acapella.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <518851AA.9030502@gmail.com> Luke, It may not make much of a difference, but I posted the following message to Ubuntu's Facebook page. I know that it may sound fickle with all that is going on in the world today, but it is just saddening when you feel at home using your operating system of choice and then it is almost like you are locked out of where you once lived. That is how I felt when I learned that Ubuntu was no longer usable to me. I understand the whole idea of innovation...it is just too bad that they, in a sense, are leaving us out of it. By no means am I trying to discredit all of the work which has been put in to making UBuntu accessible over the years. And, as I mention below, I have no intention of sounding irate. I just hope that, someday in the future, they remember us. Thanks again for responding to my message here on the list. Take care. I am not writing this message with any ill intent, and I certainly do not at all wish to seem irate. I do not know if this will be seen by anyone who can make a difference, but I want to leave a message here just in case. I am a former low-vision Ubuntu user. Ubuntu has a very special place in my heart; it was the first Linux distribution which I came to know and love as a solid, stable alternative to proprietary alternatives on the market. Ubuntu is what I used throughout my college career. It is the operating system which I wanted to stick with for the long-haul. Over the past two years, I have been put in Linux Limbo. When I first started using Ubuntu, I began to work with the Compiz Window Manager's eZoom plugin which allowed me to literally magnify my screen, making it so that I could fully access my system. Things were wonderful. Unity came into the picture, and I was excited to try out a new desktop environment. I felt that Unity was a wonderful environment in which to work. The eZoom plugin for Compiz worked very well in Unity 2D, but not so well at all in Unity 3D. Then the bad news came about: Unity 2D was being discontinued. You have a very elegant operating system, but myself as well as many other visually impaired users have been tossed out. For the past two years, I have been living in Linux Limbo. I know that there are distributions for blind users out there, but I am the only blind member in my family, and I would rather use Ubuntu. It was brought to my attention that there may not be a magnifier in upcoming versions of Ubuntu. I am not writing this as an advocate for the visually impaired community (but there are many who are very disappointed in what is going on in the area of accessibility within Ubuntu), but rather as a saddened and concerned user. I felt at home using Ubuntu, but now it seems as though there is nothing to come back to. You have some wonderful people who work with you who want to make Ubuntu accessible, but they have very limited resources. I am writing today to kindly and humbly ask you if you would please do something about this. There are visually impaired individuals around the world who truly depend on Ubuntu because ti is solid and user-friendly, but they have no idea where to go because they are being left behind. Would you please stop for a moment and consider these users, of which I am one, who cannot afford proprietary assistive technologies, and who have stuck with your operating system because of the philosophy which it once stood for--"humanity toward others" I believe that innovation is a wonderful thing. Thee is so much technology out there that can be used to make your operating system accessible to the blind. Please do not let it go to waste. Thank you for taking the time to read this. If you know someone who could make a difference in bringing Ubuntu back to us blind users, would you please share this with them. Kind regards, Bob On 05/06/2013 03:42 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 01:09:54AM EST, Robert Cole wrote: >> Hello, everyone. >> >> I have enjoyed using fedora over the past year or so, but I just do >> not have time to solve the big problems which I am having with the >> system. My wife and family who use my system have run into quite a >> number of issues, and it makes their experience pretty unpleasant. >> >> I am thinking about moving back to Ubuntu, but I have a few questions: >> >> 1) Does the problem with the Compiz eZoom plugin on Unity 3D still >> exist (e.g. only the desktop area si zoomed, but the panel and dash >> remain unaltered)? > Yes, this is still a problem, and won't be solved with the current Compiz+unity code base. At this point I don't know whether a magnifier will be written for the new Unity rewrite in 14.04 either. I will try to push for one, but no promises. > > Luke > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Tue May 7 06:21:10 2013 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 08:21:10 +0200 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? Message-ID: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> Hy, With Android awailable the Svox Classic TTS engine, this TTS have natural sound persons I think with 24 languages, hungarian language is awailable this engine. With Ubuntu repositoryes I think only the Svox Pico TTS awailable. Possible using the Svox Classic text to speech engine anyway an Ubuntu system? I no, the Svox Classic voices are commercial voices. Other high quality text to speech engines in Linux not supporting yet hungarian language, and the Mbrola hungarian voice unfortunately not enough good. For example the Google Translator hungarian voice is very impressive, but I don't no what TTS using Google when spokening hungarian language texts. Svox Classic text to speech engine link is following: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.svox.classic Some Pocket Book ebook reader devices supporting hungarian language text to speech, but I don't no what TTS engine builtin this devices. Link is following: http://www.pocketbook-int.com Attila From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Tue May 7 12:09:18 2013 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 08:09:18 -0400 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> Unfortunately the SVox Classic voices, as far as I know, are only built for Android, and an interface to be able to use speech-dispatcher is not currently available for desktop Linux. It's likely that x86 binaries would speak with the right dependencies, but I doubt that the Pico module for speech-dispatcher will support it. The only other option for many different languages is eSpeak, but many of its languages need native speakers to fix them up so they sound better. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" From fernando.botelho at f123.org Tue May 7 12:18:58 2013 From: fernando.botelho at f123.org (Fernando Botelho) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 09:18:58 -0300 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> Someone with experience adapting voices for use with Orca/speech dispatcher is: Bohdan R. Rau ethanak at polip.com He was working on adapting SAPI voices for use in Linux through Wine. Maybe his experience would help with this. On 05/07/2013 09:09 AM, Kyle wrote: > Unfortunately the SVox Classic voices, as far as I know, are only built > for Android, and an interface to be able to use speech-dispatcher is not > currently available for desktop Linux. It's likely that x86 binaries > would speak with the right dependencies, but I doubt that the Pico > module for speech-dispatcher will support it. > > The only other option for many different languages is eSpeak, but many > of its languages need native speakers to fix them up so they sound better. > ~Kyle > http://kyle.tk/ > From hammera at pickup.hu Tue May 7 12:19:33 2013 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 14:19:33 +0200 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5188F155.1010408@pickup.hu> Hy Kile, Thanks your answer. I active working hungarian language related with Espeak rules, the Espeak hungarian rules wonderful support hungarian language. Future for example Openmary text to speech system will be awailable with Ubuntu? The Openmary HMM voices is very impressive, I listened only the english voice. I no, now not have native module with Speech-dispatcher the Open Mary text to speech system, but I think generic level possible to using this text to speech system. If future Openmary native will be awailable with Ubuntu, I try read the Open Mary documentation how can possible adapting a new language HMM voice. I little fraid during new language voice creation need some steps with not possible doing without sighting. Attila From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Tue May 7 12:28:46 2013 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 08:28:46 -0400 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> Message-ID: <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> According to Fernando Botelho: # Someone with experience adapting voices for use with Orca/speech # dispatcher is: # Bohdan R. Rau # ethanak at polip.com # # He was working on adapting SAPI voices for use in Linux through Wine. # Maybe his experience would help with this. Android voices should be even easier than SAPI voices to make work with speech-dispatcher, since x86 builds of Android are now available, and the voices need to be built for it, making them one step closer to x86-based desktop Linux. The main issue is going to be convincing the developers of such voices that many of us would be interested in purchasing them for a desktop Linux operating system, which would go a long way toward resolving any remaining incompatibilities and also would avoid licensing problems that could arise from running a voice on something other than the intended platform. Only the speech-dispatcher module would need to be figured out at that point. Of course the voices would need to be built for x86_64 as well, but in most cases this shouldn't cause significant problems. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Tue May 7 12:40:00 2013 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 08:40:00 -0400 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5188F155.1010408@pickup.hu> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F155.1010408@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <5188F620.1070804@gmail.com> I sadly haven't yet been able to install Openmary on my system. It has some kind of non-speaking graphical Java-based installer that doesn't appear to have an alternative method of installation, unless this has changed fairly recently. That said, as long as there is a command line interface to make it speak and to control pitch, rate, etc., it will indeed be possible to write a generic speech-dispatcher module for it. I have indeed heard the English demo, and it does sound very good. I'm sure other languages can be made for it, but I'm not sure how that is done with the Openmary tools and applications. I do believe it has the potential to be the next great free speech synthesizer for Linux, but it needs to be made much easier to install and/or package for various distros before it can work for most visually impaired users. Being available in the Ubuntu repos would certainly bring it a step closer to more widespread use, as this would definitely solve most installation problems, and other distros could even make packages available based on the Ubuntu sources adapted for specific packaging requirements of the distro. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" From ethanak at polip.com Thu May 9 06:51:17 2013 From: ethanak at polip.com (Bohdan R. Rau) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 08:51:17 +0200 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with =?UTF-8?Q?Ubuntu=3F?= In-Reply-To: <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55c4c4077c590eec982542ca97321800@mail.setia.pl> W dniu 2013-05-07 14:28, Kyle napisał(a): > Android voices should be even easier than SAPI voices to make work > with > speech-dispatcher, since x86 builds of Android are now available, and > the voices need to be built for it, making them one step closer to > x86-based desktop Linux. Question is: are the Android voices compiled for x86 or only for ARM? Also there may be licensing problem: some of Ivona voices for Android are currently free, but not Windows versions :( And price of Android and Windows versions are different. I asked Ivona support about Windows voice installation on Linux - there is no licensing problem, if I pay for the voice I can use it even on washing machine :) With SAPI all software is ready for x86 architecture, so in theory all voices should work. But I found one problem: I have working SAPI voice server (idea was taken from open-sapi project, but code is completely different), client libraries and experimental speech-dispatcher module. I tested it with Acapella (demo only) and Ivona (demo and registered) voices and all works perfectly. As there is no hungarian voice in Ivona or Acapella, I found one hungarian voice (Nuance Vocalizer) in theory compatible with SAPI5. But after instalation SAPI on Wine was broken - not possible to create COM object. Reinstalling SAPI does not fully solve this problem - SAPI works, but does not see hungarian voice. As I'm not familiar with Windows programming - I can't find working solution. ethanak -- http://milena.polip.com/ - Pa pa, Ivonko! From pvdeejay at gmail.com Thu May 9 07:16:25 2013 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 09:16:25 +0200 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <55c4c4077c590eec982542ca97321800@mail.setia.pl> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> <55c4c4077c590eec982542ca97321800@mail.setia.pl> Message-ID: <518B4D49.9020208@gmail.com> Hello, Most likelly you have been working with kobaspeech voices as this is the way to get the realspeak voices as sapi5. They are however implemented slightly differently than most other voices e.g. acapella. There was also an issue with loading kobaspeech voices in NVDA. I will try to look up info about your project and test it here whether this is the same issue. If yes then we might be able to port the fix from NVDA. Greetings Peter On 09.05.2013 08:51, Bohdan R. Rau wrote: > W dniu 2013-05-07 14:28, Kyle napisał(a): > >> Android voices should be even easier than SAPI voices to make work with >> speech-dispatcher, since x86 builds of Android are now available, and >> the voices need to be built for it, making them one step closer to >> x86-based desktop Linux. > > Question is: are the Android voices compiled for x86 or only for ARM? > Also there may be licensing problem: some of Ivona voices for Android > are currently free, but not Windows versions :( And price of Android > and Windows versions are different. > I asked Ivona support about Windows voice installation on Linux - > there is no licensing problem, if I pay for the voice I can use it > even on washing machine :) > > > With SAPI all software is ready for x86 architecture, so in theory all > voices should work. But I found one problem: > I have working SAPI voice server (idea was taken from open-sapi > project, but code is completely different), client libraries and > experimental speech-dispatcher module. I tested it with Acapella (demo > only) and Ivona (demo and registered) voices and all works perfectly. > As there is no hungarian voice in Ivona or Acapella, I found one > hungarian voice (Nuance Vocalizer) in theory compatible with SAPI5. > But after instalation SAPI on Wine was broken - not possible to create > COM object. Reinstalling SAPI does not fully solve this problem - SAPI > works, but does not see hungarian voice. As I'm not familiar with > Windows programming - I can't find working solution. > > > ethanak From hammera at pickup.hu Thu May 9 07:45:42 2013 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 09:45:42 +0200 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <55c4c4077c590eec982542ca97321800@mail.setia.pl> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> <55c4c4077c590eec982542ca97321800@mail.setia.pl> Message-ID: <518B5426.70003@pickup.hu> Ethanak, thank you your answer. Future what research need doing if longer time period would like prowide hungarian users alternate hungarian voices any speech sinthesis? If this is possible, better prefer opensource solutions. Now, only Espeak awailable with supports good hungarian language (grammatical level absolute sure). I no, possible using Espeak with Mbrola voices, but more better the intonation for example english language if the Mbrola voice is good? What the experience? Have significant difference the intonation if an english language Espeak user using Mbrola voice the Espeak TTS? Oldest time I tryed the Mbrola hungarian voice with Espeak, but I experience the hungarian Mbrola voice is not enough good, very similar the voice with a non hungarian person speak unfortunately. My ydeas have following now awailable possibilities, if full want creating a hungarian voice with free software solutions: 1. Creating a Festival speech sinthesis hungarian voice. Advantage with festival is full open source, and I think supports HMM voices, so future perhaps better doing research with HMM voices related. 2. Creating a Mbrola voice, and pass the voice with Espeak. The first solution I think better. 3. Future if Openmary will be awailable with distributions need creating a proper hungarian voice. Attila From 0123peter at gmail.com Thu May 9 12:25:03 2013 From: 0123peter at gmail.com (blind Pete) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 22:25:03 +1000 Subject: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04 References: <5187C7C2.2090804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16hs5a-a39.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> Robert Cole wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I have enjoyed using fedora over the past year or so, but I just do not > have time to solve the big problems which I am having with the system. > My wife and family who use my system have run into quite a number of > issues, and it makes their experience pretty unpleasant. > > I am thinking about moving back to Ubuntu, but I have a few questions: If you want to play with it, use the latest and greatest version. If just want something that works, consider the LTS (long term support) versions. > 1) Does the problem with the Compiz eZoom plugin on Unity 3D still exist > (e.g. only the desktop area si zoomed, but the panel and dash remain > unaltered)? I have never used eZoom. Now that I know it exists I will play with it. Did you know that X has a zoom and pan feature that you can use accross all desktop managers? It is documented in "man xorg.conf". to change through the circular list of modes. Unfortunately some of the video card driver maintainers do not, or even will not, make this work. They quite rightly say that the function could be better handled by desktop managers, things like eZoom I guess. Nvidia's closed source drivers do support Zoom and that is the reason that I buy nVidia cards, but even that has problems: driver versions in the low 300's have bad panning bugs, and it has always been a bit of a pain to set up. Be prepaired to spend some time on it if you go that way. > 2) If I install GNOME Shell, will it be version 3.6 or 3.8? > > I appreciate your help on this one. > > Take care, everyone. -- blind Pete Sig goes here... From don.raikes at oracle.com Thu May 9 15:39:39 2013 From: don.raikes at oracle.com (Don Raikes) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <55c4c4077c590eec982542ca97321800@mail.setia.pl> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> <55c4c4077c590eec982542ca97321800@mail.setia.pl> Message-ID: <83d5f4eb-4b74-462c-ae1b-3f0c4c348e34@default> What about using the libpicotts voices since I believe they are the same as the svox voices on android? -----Original Message----- From: Bohdan R. Rau [mailto:ethanak at polip.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 11:51 PM To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? W dniu 2013-05-07 14:28, Kyle napisał(a): > Android voices should be even easier than SAPI voices to make work > with speech-dispatcher, since x86 builds of Android are now available, > and the voices need to be built for it, making them one step closer to > x86-based desktop Linux. Question is: are the Android voices compiled for x86 or only for ARM? Also there may be licensing problem: some of Ivona voices for Android are currently free, but not Windows versions :( And price of Android and Windows versions are different. I asked Ivona support about Windows voice installation on Linux - there is no licensing problem, if I pay for the voice I can use it even on washing machine :) With SAPI all software is ready for x86 architecture, so in theory all voices should work. But I found one problem: I have working SAPI voice server (idea was taken from open-sapi project, but code is completely different), client libraries and experimental speech-dispatcher module. I tested it with Acapella (demo only) and Ivona (demo and registered) voices and all works perfectly. As there is no hungarian voice in Ivona or Acapella, I found one hungarian voice (Nuance Vocalizer) in theory compatible with SAPI5. But after instalation SAPI on Wine was broken - not possible to create COM object. Reinstalling SAPI does not fully solve this problem - SAPI works, but does not see hungarian voice. As I'm not familiar with Windows programming - I can't find working solution. ethanak -- http://milena.polip.com/ - Pa pa, Ivonko! -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From hammera at pickup.hu Fri May 10 04:17:35 2013 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 06:17:35 +0200 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <83d5f4eb-4b74-462c-ae1b-3f0c4c348e34@default> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> <55c4c4077c590eec982542ca97321800@mail.setia.pl> <83d5f4eb-4b74-462c-ae1b-3f0c4c348e34@default> Message-ID: <518C74DF.5010800@pickup.hu> Hy Don, I am not full sure, but I think Pico TTS doesn't support Svox Classic TTS voices, but possible this is already changed with newest Ubuntu versions. Currently Svox Pico TTS supports following languages (I looked with Ubuntu 12.04 the /usr/share/pico/lang directory): German, english (GB and US), french, italian and spanish. I have got a downloaded hungarian voice (download the voice file with the linked Pocketbook website, the voice file size is about 80 MB, and the file extension is .pbi. Unfortunately I doesn't ensure full sure what TTS using this device, and I not known what TTS system using this extension the voice files. Attila From burt1iband at gmail.com Fri May 10 04:46:34 2013 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (B. Henry) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 23:46:34 -0500 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130510044633.GA5611@gmail.com> The svox voices were donated I thought, or was this only for Windows usage? I don't like pico svox at all for English, but found them quite listenable in French, and a much better alternative to espeak for Spanish; and at the moment the only alternative for Spanish in Linux that's of quality for the average user to use on a production system is Voxin, (IBMtts). I certainly don't mind paying the $5 U.S. that a Voxin voice costs, but alternatives would certainly be welcomed. I am a big espeak fan, and do want to work with J.D. to try and improve Spanish when ever I get the chance to make some decent recordings, but no one nor two synths will be for everyone. BTW-does anyone have experience with Festival and Spanish? -- B.H. On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 08:28:46AM -0400, Kyle wrote: > According to Fernando Botelho: > # Someone with experience adapting voices for use with Orca/speech > # dispatcher is: > # Bohdan R. Rau > # ethanak at polip.com > # > # He was working on adapting SAPI voices for use in Linux through Wine. > # Maybe his experience would help with this. > > Android voices should be even easier than SAPI voices to make work with > speech-dispatcher, since x86 builds of Android are now available, and > the voices need to be built for it, making them one step closer to > x86-based desktop Linux. The main issue is going to be convincing the > developers of such voices that many of us would be interested in > purchasing them for a desktop Linux operating system, which would go a > long way toward resolving any remaining incompatibilities and also would > avoid licensing problems that could arise from running a voice on > something other than the intended platform. Only the speech-dispatcher > module would need to be figured out at that point. Of course the voices > would need to be built for x86_64 as well, but in most cases this > shouldn't cause significant problems. > ~Kyle > http://kyle.tk/ > -- > "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" > Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From fernando.botelho at f123.org Fri May 10 12:42:57 2013 From: fernando.botelho at f123.org (Fernando Botelho) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:42:57 -0300 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <20130510044633.GA5611@gmail.com> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> <20130510044633.GA5611@gmail.com> Message-ID: <518CEB51.5040404@f123.org> Well, since Voxin is no longer for sale, this might be a good time for us to get started on improving espeak in Spanish. If anyone is interested, please write to me off list. Thanks, Fernando On 05/10/2013 01:46 AM, B. Henry wrote: > The svox voices were donated I thought, or was this only for Windows usage? > I don't like pico svox at all for English, but found them quite listenable in French, and a much better alternative to espeak for Spanish; and at the moment the only alternative for Spanish in Linux that's of quality for > the average user to use on a production system is Voxin, (IBMtts). > I certainly don't mind paying the $5 U.S. that a Voxin voice costs, but alternatives would certainly be welcomed. I am a big espeak fan, and do want to work with J.D. to try and improve Spanish when ever I get the chance to make some decent recordings, but no one nor two synths will be for everyone. > BTW-does anyone have experience with Festival and Spanish? > -- > B.H. > > > > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 08:28:46AM -0400, Kyle wrote: >> According to Fernando Botelho: >> # Someone with experience adapting voices for use with Orca/speech >> # dispatcher is: >> # Bohdan R. Rau >> # ethanak at polip.com >> # >> # He was working on adapting SAPI voices for use in Linux through Wine. >> # Maybe his experience would help with this. >> >> Android voices should be even easier than SAPI voices to make work with >> speech-dispatcher, since x86 builds of Android are now available, and >> the voices need to be built for it, making them one step closer to >> x86-based desktop Linux. The main issue is going to be convincing the >> developers of such voices that many of us would be interested in >> purchasing them for a desktop Linux operating system, which would go a >> long way toward resolving any remaining incompatibilities and also would >> avoid licensing problems that could arise from running a voice on >> something other than the intended platform. Only the speech-dispatcher >> module would need to be figured out at that point. Of course the voices >> would need to be built for x86_64 as well, but in most cases this >> shouldn't cause significant problems. >> ~Kyle >> http://kyle.tk/ >> -- >> "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" >> Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From kyle4jesus at gmail.com Fri May 10 13:13:19 2013 From: kyle4jesus at gmail.com (Kyle) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:13:19 -0400 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <518CEB51.5040404@f123.org> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> <20130510044633.GA5611@gmail.com> <518CEB51.5040404@f123.org> Message-ID: <518CF26F.7010908@gmail.com> According to Fernando Botelho: # Well, since Voxin is no longer for sale, this might be a good time for # us to get started on improving espeak in Spanish. Googling and looking on the website, I don't think it's no longer for sale, but it's so badly outdated, and takes so much ancient code to run, that it might as well be no longer for sale. It will only get harder and harder to run Voxin as hardware and software become newer. It's like putting that old floppy drive in new computer after new computer until it eventually no longer fits, even with adaptors. Eventually, if you still want to use your old floppy collection, you will need to move the files to something like a flash drive or purchase a USB floppy drive. Voxin is much the same, in that eventually people who are currently making it work will need to improve the more maintained bits of code such as eSpeak, because eventually, all the adapted and ancient libraries in the world won't make it work. The website indicates that it just uses an old C++ library, but there's no way that old library will work in the future, as it's already well over 10 years old. Eventually it will become incompatible with the entire system bit by bit. I said all that to say that Voxin may still be for sale, but it's much more profitable for the community to work to improve eSpeak, SVox Pico, Festival, Flite or any of the other freedom synthesizers available with source code that can be freely modified and improved than it will ever be to keep trying and trying to make Voxin or any other packaged version of this speech synthesizer run just a little longer. ~Kyle http:/kyle.tk/ -- "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" From burt1iband at gmail.com Fri May 10 18:29:16 2013 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (B. Henry) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:29:16 -0500 Subject: Anyway possible using Svox Classic TTS engine with Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <518CF26F.7010908@gmail.com> References: <51889D56.5090005@pickup.hu> <5188EEEE.2070404@gmail.com> <5188F132.1050508@f123.org> <5188F37E.3030808@gmail.com> <20130510044633.GA5611@gmail.com> <518CEB51.5040404@f123.org> <518CF26F.7010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130510182914.GB4768@gmail.com> I totally agree that we need to work on FoS alternatives to the IBMtts; but for now for some languages voxin is the most viable alternative. I don't want to see the day where folks must keep using old operating system(s) just to have an understandable voice in their language, but this day is at hand, or close to it. As I said in another msg having more than one option is also important both because what is good for one person isn't for another and because just feeling that one has a choice makes people feel better. The pico voices I tried in Windows were certainly equalized for phone speakers, and for most people with "nnormal" hearing found the tone quite muffled. I tried English pico a few times for minutes on my Linux installation(s) and think it was the same or similar; but one would think adding a bit of mid-high pitch in to the voices to improve clarity. The other drawback to svox was how it sounded at relatively high word per minute rates, but my brief experiments under Linux were pretty responsive at voice rates fast enough to be practical in production use for, I think, most users. Bottom line: WE should all try and do what ever we can to advance work on Linux voice alternatives asap. I wasn't so impressed with openmari, but it seems that many found this quite listenable and saw/see promise...The more the merrier. -- B.H. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 09:13:19AM -0400, Kyle wrote: > According to Fernando Botelho: > # Well, since Voxin is no longer for sale, this might be a good time for > # us to get started on improving espeak in Spanish. > > Googling and looking on the website, I don't think it's no longer for > sale, but it's so badly outdated, and takes so much ancient code to run, > that it might as well be no longer for sale. It will only get harder and > harder to run Voxin as hardware and software become newer. It's like > putting that old floppy drive in new computer after new computer until > it eventually no longer fits, even with adaptors. Eventually, if you > still want to use your old floppy collection, you will need to move the > files to something like a flash drive or purchase a USB floppy drive. > Voxin is much the same, in that eventually people who are currently > making it work will need to improve the more maintained bits of code > such as eSpeak, because eventually, all the adapted and ancient > libraries in the world won't make it work. The website indicates that it > just uses an old C++ library, but there's no way that old library will > work in the future, as it's already well over 10 years old. Eventually > it will become incompatible with the entire system bit by bit. I said > all that to say that Voxin may still be for sale, but it's much more > profitable for the community to work to improve eSpeak, SVox Pico, > Festival, Flite or any of the other freedom synthesizers available with > source code that can be freely modified and improved than it will ever > be to keep trying and trying to make Voxin or any other packaged version > of this speech synthesizer run just a little longer. > ~Kyle > http:/kyle.tk/ > -- > "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" > Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From hgneng at gmail.com Tue May 14 15:12:08 2013 From: hgneng at gmail.com (Cameron Wong) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 23:12:08 +0800 Subject: Build Orca on Ubuntu 12.04 Message-ID: Hello, I am trying to make Linux accessible for Chinese blind users. I have developed Ekho Chinese TTS (http://www.eguidedog.net/ekho.php) which works fine with Orca on Ubuntu 12.04. (Let me know if someone would like to help to put it into Ubuntu's repository). Now I want to implement an ibus input method plugin to Orca. Without the ability of reading input method, Linux is not quite accessible to east Asian blind users. I know few about Orca. All starts from building the source code. I get the source code of version 3.4.1 with following command. $ apt-get source gnome-orca Then $ ./configure To my surprise, the dependency doesn't meets. Not because some packages are missing but the version is not high enough. Can someone explain why source code from apt-get depends on some packages newer than current system? To make orca be able to build, I make and install following packages: * gnome-common, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev, libcairo2-dev, libpango1.0-dev, libatk1.0-dev, libxext-dev, libxi-dev, python-dev, libgirepository1.0-dev, python-cairo-dev, libatspi2.0-dev * GTK 3.1.92 ( http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gtk+/3.1/gtk+-3.1.92.tar.xz) * PyObject 3.0.4 ( http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pygobject/3.0/pygobject-3.0.4.tar.xz) I choose GTK 3.1.92 and PyObject 3.0.4 because I think they are the most closest version to Ubuntu 12.04 that can meet orca's build dependency. The look-and-feel of desktop windows/widgets has changed now. Now I can build and install orca. All commands I use to build from source are `./configure && make && make install`. So they are installed in /usr/local/. When I run `orca` in terminal, it complains: ''' Contraction tables for liblouis cannot be found. This usually means orca was built before liblouis was installed. Contracted braille will not be available. Cannot start Orca because it cannot connect to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has been set. ''' I try to re-install gnome-orca and run `/usr/bin/orca`. It complains: ''' Cannot start Orca because it cannot connect to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has been set. ''' gnome-orca works fine before I installed packages like GTK, PyObject above. I have search the error message in this mail list. Someone said orca cannot be run in terminal. It should not be true because I've done it before. Run it in ALT+F2 doesn't help. Can anyone help to fix the DISPLAY issue? It would be really appreciate if someone can give suggestion how to implement a ibus input method plugin to Orca! Thanks a lot! Cameron Wong -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue May 14 15:50:58 2013 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 01:50:58 +1000 Subject: Build Orca on Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130514155058.GA3649@acapella.yelavich.home> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 01:12:08AM EST, Cameron Wong wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to make Linux accessible for Chinese blind users. I have > developed Ekho Chinese TTS (http://www.eguidedog.net/ekho.php) which works > fine with Orca on Ubuntu 12.04. It would be nice to integrate this with speech-dispatcher, see http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd. > (Let me know if someone would like to help > to put it into Ubuntu's repository). Once we have speech-dispatcher support for it, sure. > Now I want to implement an ibus input > method plugin to Orca. Without the ability of reading input method, Linux > is not quite accessible to east Asian blind users. You probably need to talk to the upstream at-spi maintainers, as that is likely where the support needs to be added, since Orca uses at-spi to deal with all of its input snooping, to determine what keystrokes have been pressed etc. I suggest you mail the GNOME accessibility development mailing list at gnome-accessibility-devel at gnome.org to start a dialog. The mailing list page is at https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel. > I know few about Orca. All starts from building the source code. I get the > source code of version 3.4.1 with following command. > $ apt-get source gnome-orca > Then > $ ./configure > > To my surprise, the dependency doesn't meets. Not because some packages are > missing but the version is not high enough. Can someone explain why source > code from apt-get depends on some packages newer than current system? Did you install all the build dependencies for Orca, sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca. > To make orca be able to build, I make and install following packages: > * gnome-common, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev, libcairo2-dev, libpango1.0-dev, > libatk1.0-dev, libxext-dev, libxi-dev, python-dev, libgirepository1.0-dev, > python-cairo-dev, libatspi2.0-dev > * GTK 3.1.92 ( > http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gtk+/3.1/gtk+-3.1.92.tar.xz) > * PyObject 3.0.4 ( > http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pygobject/3.0/pygobject-3.0.4.tar.xz) > > I choose GTK 3.1.92 and PyObject 3.0.4 because I think they are the most > closest version to Ubuntu 12.04 that can meet orca's build dependency. > > The look-and-feel of desktop windows/widgets has changed now. Yes, because you overwrote the system GTK setup with a custom built one. > Now I can build and install orca. All commands I use to build from source > are `./configure && make && make install`. So they are installed in > /usr/local/. > > When I run `orca` in terminal, it complains: > ''' > Contraction tables for liblouis cannot be found. > This usually means orca was built before > liblouis was installed. Contracted braille will > not be available. > Cannot start Orca because it cannot connect > to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY > environment variable has been set. The issues you raise are common amongst people who end up having more than one copy of Orca, and other libraries on the system. As I suggested above, you should install all of orca's build dependencies before you try to build it. Luke From hgneng at gmail.com Wed May 15 08:47:09 2013 From: hgneng at gmail.com (Cameron Wong) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:09 +0800 Subject: Build Orca on Ubuntu 12.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Luke! I will try to contact speechd and at-spi. The DISPLAY issue is solved by uninstalling GTK 3.1.92. Also, the look-and-feel return to normal. The strange thing is that Orca can be `make clean && make` without GTK 3.1.92. I guess gnome-orca-3.4.1 get dependency failure only on `configure` stage. I will go on my hacking :-) Cameron > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka1cey at gmail.com Tue May 21 00:42:56 2013 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 20:42:56 -0400 Subject: Accessibility PPA for Precise and derivatives (anything with GNOME 3.4.2)? Message-ID: <519AC310.2040506@gmail.com> Hi, You may recall my trouble with frequent at-spi-2core crashes on a machine with an Atom cpu, most frequently happening while browsing youtube pages. The crashes are far less frequent when I run a system having GNOME versions greater than or less than 3.4.2. I would prefer to run something based on Precise for its stability (Trisquel 6 or the up-coming Vinux, for instance). Debian 7 is also a candidate. Is there someplace where I can get a later accessibility stack for this version of GNOME? Cheers, Dave H. From ethanak at polip.com Sat May 25 08:12:49 2013 From: ethanak at polip.com (Bohdan R. Rau) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 10:12:49 +0200 Subject: Sapi voices - little update Message-ID: <031368ca48f344d9162b6f81dd714e56@mail.setia.pl> I tried to make sd_sapi more usable. 1) libsapilektor-0.1.9 does not need running sapi server at start for sapi4linux voices so module does not crash if sapi server is not started yet 2) speechd-sapi-0.1.2 uses espeak as fallback voice if sapi4linux client returns error (probably sapi server is down) so you should never get silence from module. More info: http://tts.polip.com/files/sapi/installing.txt (may be a little outdated) ethanak -- http://milena.polip.com/ - Pa pa, Ivonko! From fernando.botelho at f123.org Sat May 25 12:54:00 2013 From: fernando.botelho at f123.org (Fernando Botelho) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 09:54:00 -0300 Subject: Sapi voices - little update In-Reply-To: <031368ca48f344d9162b6f81dd714e56@mail.setia.pl> References: <031368ca48f344d9162b6f81dd714e56@mail.setia.pl> Message-ID: <51A0B468.8020306@f123.org> This is great Ethanak, thanks! Fernando On 05/25/2013 05:12 AM, Bohdan R. Rau wrote: > I tried to make sd_sapi more usable. > > 1) libsapilektor-0.1.9 does not need running sapi server at start for > sapi4linux voices so module does not crash if sapi server is not started > yet > 2) speechd-sapi-0.1.2 uses espeak as fallback voice if sapi4linux client > returns error (probably sapi server is down) so you should never get > silence from module. > > More info: http://tts.polip.com/files/sapi/installing.txt (may be a > little outdated) > > ethanak From jonathan at accessiblefreedom.org Sat May 25 12:13:18 2013 From: jonathan at accessiblefreedom.org (Jonathan Nadeau) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:13:18 -0400 Subject: [Support] Sapi voices - little update In-Reply-To: <031368ca48f344d9162b6f81dd714e56@mail.setia.pl> References: <031368ca48f344d9162b6f81dd714e56@mail.setia.pl> Message-ID: <51A0AADE.9090807@accessiblefreedom.org> Hey that is great thanks for your work it is greatly appreciated. On 05/25/2013 04:12 AM, Bohdan R. Rau wrote: > I tried to make sd_sapi more usable. > > 1) libsapilektor-0.1.9 does not need running sapi server at start for > sapi4linux voices so module does not crash if sapi server is not > started yet > 2) speechd-sapi-0.1.2 uses espeak as fallback voice if sapi4linux > client returns error (probably sapi server is down) so you should > never get silence from module. > > More info: http://tts.polip.com/files/sapi/installing.txt (may be a > little outdated) > > ethanak From sthibault at debian.org Sat May 25 22:13:06 2013 From: sthibault at debian.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 00:13:06 +0200 Subject: CfP - Health & Accessibility topic of LSM 2013 Message-ID: <20130525221306.GQ5874@type.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> Hello, The schedule for the health & accessibility topic of LSM 2013 is available on http://schedule2013.rmll.info/schedule/sante/accessibilite-autonomie-et-gestion/ Samuel