What happened with Firefox 25?

Tue Nov 5 18:44:47 UTC 2013

Yes, this is  all of course very true, and sometimes it's actually easier for a person with a stable life/employment to set asside a few hours a week to contribute to something  important.
In Spanish a word for will/willingness is voluntad. It takes a certain level of will, and a willingness to forgo some perhaps more pleasurable activities to do significant work on an open source accessability project; to be a volenteer! Making a commitment to give a lot of ones time aand energy to something that may not have any short to medium term payoff is not something that everyone can do, especially someone who has children to support or other first teer responsibilities. On the other hand people who are able choose to give their all to a project and make huge differences in the lives of many every day, not many people percentage wise, but examples are not hard to find when you look. In our case all we have to do is start our computers and we should be reminded of a personal hero of mine, Tony Sales. Other people with the right skill set can and do make a difference over the long haul like Luke who gives of his personal time along with his payed work on Ubuntu accessability. 
It's about the coming together of time/mental and emotional energy, the right skill set, and some vollenteer spirit. If one has  the latter, and some of one of the first two then they are certainly part of the potential team down the line. If you have a bit of all three and are not already doing so, what are you waiting for? Find where you fit in and start working!
   Enough anylizing and cheerleading. It's time that I get some stuff out of the way so I can work on my skill set!
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On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 04:17:13PM -0600, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> I agree with this, but I do have a few caveats. First, looking for a
> job, whether you're between jobs or between projects, can be a
> pretty time consuming effort requiring a lot of hard work and a lot
> of mental toughness. Someone in this position may not have a lot of
> time to do some programming for free. Second, a programmer looking
> for that next job or that next project does have to sharpen their
> skills and make themselves as employable as possible. Although
> working in the accessibility infrastructure and working on an open
> source project like Orca or NVDA would definitely build some
> marketable skills, it isn't going to do as much as contributing to
> some popular open source project like OpenStack will do for
> someone's employability. I'm not discouraging anyone from working on
> AT or contributing to Orca; I'm just saying a blind programmer
> between jobs or projects may have very legitimate reasons to spend
> some of that time working on something else or in some other area.
> 
> On 11/03/2013 11:11 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> >Of course. The other part of this includes more willingness to back such projects financially, but the other angle to consider is that so many blind people are unemployed now. Even if they become pretty good programmers there's not likely going to be work for them all, and  even less traditional fulltime work. While one is looking for work they could also sharpen their skills working on the kind of software projects we're talking about here. Others may be content to dedicate some window of time to this work living on some kind  of disability paymentss, and on the more extreme edge of the conversation there's the alt economy model. Whether its possible to  create a group with the critical mass of talent and deverse skillset needed to be sustainable is not one I'm willing to bet on; but I would certainly consider donating some labor to a person who has made my computer more usable above and beyond the very limited money I can donate to open-source projects.
> >While I don't see a revolution in the making, maybe we can see a significant evolution in thinking and behavior where more users of FOS-access-tech donate to developers. While there's a long way to go, NVDA has made notable progress getting donations from  end-users over the last few years.
> >Another thing to consider is that many programmers work on a project basis, not a salary payed by one company. This means that even very good coders with contacts and good work habits are likely to have some down time between projects that they could dedicate to accessibility work, or they could choose to give a couple weeks here and there to something that interests them.
> >Get a job with Google and use your discressionary time to improve g-access...lolThere's nomagic bullet, but I think many of us can organize our lives better on an individual basis, and we can perhaps create some support systems making this easier.
> >--
> >B.H.
> >On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 04:44:35PM -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> >>I agree with this sentiment, but one challenge I see is that it's
> >>hard to make a living doing accessibility programming. If a blind
> >>person has the aptitude and becomes a programmer then they may have
> >>a hard time getting paid to do any accessibility related coding. Of
> >>course they could do this in their spare time, but then their time
> >>is constrained and it takes a while to come up to speed on some of
> >>this access technology infrastructure.
> >>
> >>
> >>On 11/01/2013 07:39 PM, B. Henry wrote:
> >>>Ah_men!
> >>>
> >>>Sadly, neither drugs nor prayer seem to be able to give many blind folk that; and I think we all know of more than a couple bind folks who have both 1 or more degrees and above average inteligence who are unemployed.
> >>>
> >>>One alternative is for more of those who have some potential as far as logical thinking and such, and a fair math back ground to learn to code.
> >>>It's a longer and harder row to hoe, but if enough folks got in to the nuts and bolts of the tech they use so much then most of the money could be taken out of the equation.
> >>>I have a terrible math background, am over 50 with responsibilities, and a few not very promising hours looking at beginners programing tutorials; so, I''m probably not our boy, but there must be othrs who could really do something.
> >>>I'm still hoping I can say I've done something real to advance Linux accessibility before I die, but this may not be as concrete as I'd like.
> >>>On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:24:25PM -0400, Doug Smith wrote:
> >>>>No, the thing we need is to become those rich visionaries.  How in infinity can we do it?  What is the over night, have nothing to have it all quick
> >>>>fix approach to getting blind people into areas of work where they will have real incomes and earn that kind of money so that each of us might be
> >>>>willing to put that few million into it.  Instead of waiting for someone else to do it, how in the known universe can we become those people?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm serious.  Any possible answers that might be doable for all of us?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-- 
> >>>>Doug Smith: Special Agent
> >>>>S.W.A.T  Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology
> >>>>Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>Christopher (CJ)
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