From texou at actux.eu.org Sun Aug 3 17:34:46 2014 From: texou at actux.eu.org (MENGUAL Jean-Philippe) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:34:46 +0200 Subject: Compiz Message-ID: <53DE72B6.9080600@actux.eu.org> Hi, Does Ubuntu has a prospective about Compiz? Is it maintained? who maintains? My project is packaging it for Debian, and making it work with MATE or making all its features work with Unity for low-visual impaired people. Ideas about the status of Compiz? Regards, From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Aug 4 00:24:04 2014 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 10:24:04 +1000 Subject: Compiz In-Reply-To: <53DE72B6.9080600@actux.eu.org> References: <53DE72B6.9080600@actux.eu.org> Message-ID: <20140804002404.GB4419@acapella> On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 03:34:46AM EST, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Hi, > > Does Ubuntu has a prospective about Compiz? Is it maintained? who maintains? > My project is packaging it for Debian, and making it work with MATE or > making all its features work with Unity for low-visual impaired people. > > Ideas about the status of Compiz? Longer term, Ubuntu will be dropping the use of compiz, once the rewrite of unity in Qt for both mobile and desktop is complete. Luke From milton at tomaatnet.nl Mon Aug 11 08:54:01 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:54:01 +0200 Subject: will the Dash be accessible for Orca in Trusty? Message-ID: <53E884A9.10000@tomaatnet.nl> Hi developers, Can you tell me if the Dash will be accessible with Orca in Trusty in the near future? It is good to know if this will hapen or maybe for the next LTS version? Thanks for your hard work. Milton From krmane at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 08:55:41 2014 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:25:41 +0530 Subject: will the Dash be accessible for Orca in Trusty? In-Reply-To: <53E884A9.10000@tomaatnet.nl> References: <53E884A9.10000@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <53E8850D.3050706@gmail.com> Making dash accessible should not be a hard work if it is not done so far. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Monday 11 August 2014 02:24 PM, Milton wrote: > Hi developers, > Can you tell me if the Dash will be accessible with Orca in Trusty in > the near future? It is good to know if this will hapen or maybe for > the next LTS version? Thanks for your hard work. > Milton > > From milton at tomaatnet.nl Mon Aug 11 12:16:52 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:16:52 +0200 Subject: will the Dash be accessible for Orca in Trusty? In-Reply-To: <53E8850D.3050706@gmail.com> References: <53E884A9.10000@tomaatnet.nl> <53E8850D.3050706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53E8B434.1000701@tomaatnet.nl> I'm helping sighted people with using Ubuntu and Unity so it will be of great help if the Dash is accessible with Orca for me. for the record, I'm using speech only. Milton Op 11-08-14 om 10:55 schreef Krishnakant Mane: > Making dash accessible should not be a hard work if it is not done so far. > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > On Monday 11 August 2014 02:24 PM, Milton wrote: >> Hi developers, >> Can you tell me if the Dash will be accessible with Orca in Trusty in >> the near future? It is good to know if this will hapen or maybe for >> the next LTS version? Thanks for your hard work. >> Milton >> >> > > From fudge at thefudge.net Mon Aug 11 21:40:47 2014 From: fudge at thefudge.net (Rob Whyte) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 07:40:47 +1000 Subject: will the Dash be accessible for Orca in Trusty? In-Reply-To: <53E8B434.1000701@tomaatnet.nl> References: <53E884A9.10000@tomaatnet.nl> <53E8850D.3050706@gmail.com> <53E8B434.1000701@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <53E9385F.1000505@thefudge.net> Hi, I believe there is a race condition preventing Orca from reading this reliably. A bit of playing with the flat review will sometimes get it accessible. I am aware that Luke has been trying to track the problem down but not sure if there has been any progress. Is Luke the only one working on accessibility on this mailing list? Thanks Rob On 11/08/14 22:16, Milton wrote: > I'm helping sighted people with using Ubuntu and Unity so it will be > of great help if the Dash is accessible with Orca for me. for the > record, I'm using speech only. > Milton > > Op 11-08-14 om 10:55 schreef Krishnakant Mane: >> Making dash accessible should not be a hard work if it is not done so >> far. >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> On Monday 11 August 2014 02:24 PM, Milton wrote: >>> Hi developers, >>> Can you tell me if the Dash will be accessible with Orca in Trusty in >>> the near future? It is good to know if this will hapen or maybe for >>> the next LTS version? Thanks for your hard work. >>> Milton >>> >>> >> >> > From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 12 00:14:34 2014 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:14:34 +1000 Subject: will the Dash be accessible for Orca in Trusty? In-Reply-To: <53E9385F.1000505@thefudge.net> References: <53E884A9.10000@tomaatnet.nl> <53E8850D.3050706@gmail.com> <53E8B434.1000701@tomaatnet.nl> <53E9385F.1000505@thefudge.net> Message-ID: <20140812001434.GA3602@acapella> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 07:40:47AM AEST, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > I believe there is a race condition preventing Orca from reading this > reliably. > A bit of playing with the flat review will sometimes get it accessible. > I am aware that Luke has been trying to track the problem down but not > sure if there has been any progress. No more progress unfortunately. Unity 3D has a lot of custom code, which is known to break accessibility code, and such problems are hard to track down. Luke From milton at tomaatnet.nl Tue Aug 12 13:42:36 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:42:36 +0200 Subject: indicator applet of gnome-session-flashback is not accessible with Orca Message-ID: <53EA19CC.9050200@tomaatnet.nl> Dear developers, Because the Dash is not accessible with Orca in Trusty Unity I tried the gnome-session-metacity after installing: sudo apt-get install gnome-session-flashback I cannot get to the indicator applet, in Unity I did this with Alt_F10. With ctrl_Alt_Tab I can switch to the bottom menubar. Is it possible to move the indicator applet to the bottom menubar? If so, how can I do this? Another question: using gnome-session-metacity I get to the application and location menu by Alt_F1 but on another desktop Alt_F1 had no results. Is there a setting to check out? Milton I notice that working with gnome-se From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Aug 12 23:01:28 2014 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:01:28 +1000 Subject: indicator applet of gnome-session-flashback is not accessible with Orca In-Reply-To: <53EA19CC.9050200@tomaatnet.nl> References: <53EA19CC.9050200@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <20140812230128.GA4064@acapella> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:42:36PM AEST, Milton wrote: > Dear developers, > Because the Dash is not accessible with Orca in Trusty Unity I tried the > gnome-session-metacity after installing: > sudo apt-get install gnome-session-flashback > I cannot get to the indicator applet, in Unity I did this with Alt_F10. Try Super + S, or Super + M. I think the indicator-applet code should still have those keystrokes in its code. Unfortunately they are not configurable, but should still be there. Luke From chadbaker2 at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 17:42:45 2014 From: chadbaker2 at verizon.net (chad baker) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:42:45 -0400 Subject: ubuntu server Message-ID: hi i just grabbed ubuntu server 14.04 and orca isn’t on it i tried ctrl plus s with no luck thanks From chadbaker2 at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 17:53:19 2014 From: chadbaker2 at verizon.net (chad baker) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:53:19 -0400 Subject: lite versions of ubuntu Message-ID: hi i just tried ubuntu 14.04.1 and it don’t like my system it has 2 gb of ram and a 2.26 ghz processor i did try xubuntu but no orca From burt1iband at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 18:05:48 2014 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (B. Henry) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:05:48 -0500 Subject: lite versions of ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140813180547.GA27316@gmail.com> You have enough with the system you mention to run normal ubuntu more or less well if you do not multitask much, but Ubuntu gnome should be a bit lighter on memory usage, and do better with accessibility in some areas. You will have to configure things a bit using any other desktop, but this can be done. XFCE will not be 100% accessible, but you can use your apps fine, the main men's accessible, and there's a lot to like about this desktop. You can install Mate, XFCE and other desktops on a standard Ubuntu, or Ubuntu-gnome system, and switch between desktops on the log-on scree.Vinux wiki for some inforemation on Mate. It should work nicely on 14.04 as the 1.8 packages are available. I've run Fluxbox, Mate, and Unity all on the same Ubuntu or Vinux installation, and Have XFCE, Mate and Fluxbox installed side by side here on Arch. I had a pretty good experience with the 14.04 version of Ubuntu-gnome on this netbook which only has one gig of ram,and a slower processor than the machine you are using. -- B.H. See my article on the On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 01:53:19PM -0400, chad baker wrote: > hi i just tried ubuntu 14.04.1 and it don’t like my system it has 2 gb of ram and a 2.26 ghz processor i did try xubuntu > but no orca > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From burt1iband at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 19:55:04 2014 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (B. Henry) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:55:04 -0500 Subject: lite versions of ubuntu In-Reply-To: <7DF690C1-2482-496C-B5EF-0CA217FCFFB2@verizon.net> References: <20140813180547.GA27316@gmail.com> <7DF690C1-2482-496C-B5EF-0CA217FCFFB2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20140813195503.GC27316@gmail.com> Can't help with only this to go on, but sounds like either a bad burn of the CD or USB-media, dirty disk drive or disk, really hard to say with out something much more specific than what you said, but if it's not working check the image download with the md5 sum, check the disk, make sure drive is clean. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 02:13:42PM -0400, chad baker wrote: > hi when i installed 14.04.1 during the install speech was repeating itself it would say something screen reader screen reader over and over again then quit i tried relaunching it with no luck > > On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:05 PM, B. Henry wrote: > > > You have enough with the system you mention to run normal ubuntu more or less well if you do not multitask much, but > > Ubuntu gnome should be a bit lighter on memory usage, and do better with accessibility in some areas. > > You will have to configure things a bit using any other desktop, but this can be done. > > XFCE will not be 100% accessible, but you can use your apps fine, the main men's accessible, and there's a lot to like > > about this desktop. > > You can install Mate, XFCE and other desktops on a standard Ubuntu, or Ubuntu-gnome system, and switch between desktops on > > the log-on scree.Vinux wiki for some inforemation on Mate. > > It should work nicely on 14.04 as the 1.8 packages are available. > > I've run Fluxbox, Mate, and Unity all on the same Ubuntu or Vinux installation, and Have XFCE, Mate and Fluxbox > > installed side by side here on Arch. > > I had a pretty good experience with the 14.04 version of Ubuntu-gnome on this netbook which only has one gig of ram,and a > > slower processor than the machine you are using. > > -- > > B.H. > > > > > > See my article on the > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 01:53:19PM -0400, chad baker wrote: > >> hi i just tried ubuntu 14.04.1 and it don’t like my system it has 2 gb of ram and a 2.26 ghz processor i did try xubuntu > >> but no orca > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > >> Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From burt1iband at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 20:16:38 2014 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (B. Henry) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:16:38 -0500 Subject: ubuntu server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140813201637.GD27316@gmail.com> That's right, everyone knows this. You can find a post on the vinux list regarding how to install ubuntu-server with speech. It's been reposted a few times, starting maybe a year and a bit ago. server's do not have graphical interfaces traditionally, and if one is installed it's usually something very light weight. Do you want to run a server? You can install Vinux, or standard Ubuntu and remove non-serverish packages you won't be wanting. There is no major difference between server and desktop as before, i.e. Ubulntu is using the same kernel for both now unless my memory is failing badly. So, most applications you run on a server will not work well with orca even if you install a graphical desktop. Server-users who need speech use speakup. We work on the commandline. There are certainly many cross-over usage cases where one is mostly running a server, but will want some desktop type apps available, and others where one is mostly running a desktop OS with some server software running on it. I've run both Ubuntu and Debian servers with some non-traditional for servers software on them. YOu need to learn about speakup, the console screenreader. It's very stable and snappy, quite simple, but does a great job with most commandline programs. I am using the Mutt email client with speakup to write this message, have a media stream play8ing with mplayer in another console, and have a search going on using surfraw with the Lynx web-browser. Oh, and I also have a VOIP applicationcalled linphone running in yet another console for making and receiving phone calls. I do most of my system administration and configuration with commandline programs. I use Orca for firefox, wireshark once in a while, mumble, mangler, (for ventrilo), teamtalk, and libreoffice writer to name some of the GUI programs regularly started here. There are some nice programs for the commandline that have menus, i.e. one is not always just typing command names. -- B.H. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 01:42:45PM -0400, chad baker wrote: > hi i just grabbed ubuntu server 14.04 and orca isn’t on it > i tried ctrl plus s with no luck > thanks > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From fudge at thefudge.net Wed Aug 13 22:17:11 2014 From: fudge at thefudge.net (Rob Whyte) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:17:11 +1000 Subject: ubuntu server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53EBE3E7.3050700@thefudge.net> Chad, I suggest you stick to trying one thing at a time so you don't get out of your depth. A server typically does not have a graphical environment running on it, this is called a GUI. Orca runs in a GUI. You can get console speech as Bert mentioned easily enough in Ubuntu Server with a few quick instructions. Most people are happy to run a talking Vinux system as a server idle if that is your choice. Thanks Rob On 14/08/14 03:42, chad baker wrote: > hi i just grabbed ubuntu server 14.04 and orca isn’t on it > i tried ctrl plus s with no luck > thanks From milton at tomaatnet.nl Fri Aug 15 18:32:24 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:32:24 +0200 Subject: indicator applet of gnome-session-flashback is not accessible with Orca In-Reply-To: <20140812230128.GA4064@acapella> References: <53EA19CC.9050200@tomaatnet.nl> <20140812230128.GA4064@acapella> Message-ID: <53EE5238.7050505@tomaatnet.nl> Hi Luke, Super_M does nothing, Super_S takes me to the top bar and Orca lands on the Applications button. But I cannot get to the indicator applet. There are 2 important items in de indicator applet: 1. wireless connection and 2. to shut down the computer. If I can get how to put the shut down option into applications > System it will be great. Milton Op 13-08-14 om 01:01 schreef Luke Yelavich: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:42:36PM AEST, Milton wrote: >> Dear developers, >> Because the Dash is not accessible with Orca in Trusty Unity I tried the >> gnome-session-metacity after installing: >> sudo apt-get install gnome-session-flashback >> I cannot get to the indicator applet, in Unity I did this with Alt_F10. > > Try Super + S, or Super + M. I think the indicator-applet code should still have those keystrokes in its code. Unfortunately they are not configurable, but should still be there. > > Luke > From chadbaker2 at verizon.net Tue Aug 19 19:09:04 2014 From: chadbaker2 at verizon.net (chad baker) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:09:04 -0400 Subject: ubuntu gnome 14.04.1 no speech during live session Message-ID: <0F6187BB-88EB-4781-95ED-8C29D7280B20@verizon.net> hi i’m new to linux just grabbed ubuntu gnome 14.04.1 i got orca running i wanted to try i hit try ubuntu the disk spun up for a while and stopped but had no speech i tried ctrl s for speech and super user s but no luck any suggestions thanks From chadbaker2 at verizon.net Tue Aug 19 19:58:35 2014 From: chadbaker2 at verizon.net (chad baker) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:58:35 -0400 Subject: ubuntu gnome 14.04 question Message-ID: hi i just installed ubuntu gnome 14.04 i’m new to linux i had speech during the whole install but after restarting when the installation was done no speech i tried ctrl s but no luck i know if i ctrl tab there’s the top bar i know screenreader isn’t checked i forgot how many times to go over and down and how many times to ctrl tab to the top bar From chaltain at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 01:24:42 2014 From: chaltain at gmail.com (Christopher Chaltain) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:24:42 -0500 Subject: ubuntu gnome 14.04 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53F3F8DA.2050400@gmail.com> Have you made sure your volume didn't end up getting muted or turned down too low? Try using your multimedia keys to unmute or raise the volume. On 08/19/2014 02:58 PM, chad baker wrote: > hi i just installed ubuntu gnome 14.04 > i’m new to linux > i had speech during the whole install but after restarting when the installation was done no speech > i tried ctrl s but no luck > i know if i ctrl tab there’s the top bar > i know screenreader isn’t checked > i forgot how many times to go over and down > and how many times to ctrl tab to the top bar > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 02:15:04 2014 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:15:04 -0600 Subject: ubuntu gnome 14.04 question In-Reply-To: <53F3F8DA.2050400@gmail.com> References: <53F3F8DA.2050400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53F404A8.2050505@gmail.com> Chad, The command to start the screen reader in both GDM and Gnome is no longer control S. The command is now Alt Windows S. Hope that helps, Jeremy On 08/19/2014 07:24 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Have you made sure your volume didn't end up getting muted or turned > down too low? Try using your multimedia keys to unmute or raise the volume. > > On 08/19/2014 02:58 PM, chad baker wrote: >> hi i just installed ubuntu gnome 14.04 >> i’m new to linux >> i had speech during the whole install but after restarting when the >> installation was done no speech >> i tried ctrl s but no luck >> i know if i ctrl tab there’s the top bar >> i know screenreader isn’t checked >> i forgot how many times to go over and down >> and how many times to ctrl tab to the top bar >> >> > From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Aug 20 04:29:33 2014 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:29:33 +1000 Subject: ubuntu gnome 14.04 question In-Reply-To: <53F404A8.2050505@gmail.com> References: <53F3F8DA.2050400@gmail.com> <53F404A8.2050505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20140820042933.GA4107@acapella> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:15:04PM AEST, Jeremy Lincicome wrote: > Chad, > The command to start the screen reader in both GDM and Gnome is no longer > control S. > The command is now Alt Windows S. It should be noted that we are in somewhat of a transition phase. Control S still works in the Unity greeter login and during the install process if booted directly to the install, but Super + Alt + S also works in the installer. Super + Alt + S does not currently work in the Unity greeter login, and I should actually fix that. Eventually everything will move over to Super + Alt + S as adopted by upstream. Luke From milton at tomaatnet.nl Wed Aug 20 06:50:46 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:50:46 +0200 Subject: ubuntu gnome 14.04 question In-Reply-To: <20140820042933.GA4107@acapella> References: <53F3F8DA.2050400@gmail.com> <53F404A8.2050505@gmail.com> <20140820042933.GA4107@acapella> Message-ID: <53F44546.7070806@tomaatnet.nl> I'm actually helping sighted people to install Ubuntu on their devices. sometimes I met with laptops which have no super key. How can I start Orca in that case? Tanks. Milton Op 20-08-14 om 06:29 schreef Luke Yelavich: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:15:04PM AEST, Jeremy Lincicome wrote: >> Chad, >> The command to start the screen reader in both GDM and Gnome is no longer >> control S. >> The command is now Alt Windows S. > > It should be noted that we are in somewhat of a transition phase. Control S still works in the Unity greeter login and during the install process if booted directly to the install, but Super + Alt + S also works in the installer. Super + Alt + S does not currently work in the Unity greeter login, and I should actually fix that. Eventually everything will move over to Super + Alt + S as adopted by upstream. > > Luke > From luke.yelavich at canonical.com Thu Aug 21 04:33:46 2014 From: luke.yelavich at canonical.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 14:33:46 +1000 Subject: ubuntu gnome 14.04 question In-Reply-To: <53F44546.7070806@tomaatnet.nl> References: <53F3F8DA.2050400@gmail.com> <53F404A8.2050505@gmail.com> <20140820042933.GA4107@acapella> <53F44546.7070806@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <20140821043346.GB3413@acapella> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 04:50:46PM AEST, Milton wrote: > I'm actually helping sighted people to install Ubuntu on their devices. > sometimes I met with laptops which have no super key. How can I start Orca > in that case? Tanks. Well, perhaps I'll leave the Control S keystroke in place for the install process only. Everywhere else will be Super + Alt + S. It should be noted that the keystroke is not configurable on the Unity login screen, but it is configurable for the desktop session, and should be configurable for gdm, although I haven't checked. I prefer consistancy, but the amount of code to keep Control S around for the installer is small enough such that it can be left there. Luke From milton at tomaatnet.nl Thu Aug 21 06:42:02 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:42:02 +0200 Subject: ubuntu gnome 14.04 question In-Reply-To: <20140821043346.GB3413@acapella> References: <53F3F8DA.2050400@gmail.com> <53F404A8.2050505@gmail.com> <20140820042933.GA4107@acapella> <53F44546.7070806@tomaatnet.nl> <20140821043346.GB3413@acapella> Message-ID: <53F594BA.8090404@tomaatnet.nl> I thank you so much. Milton Op 21-08-14 om 06:33 schreef Luke Yelavich: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 04:50:46PM AEST, Milton wrote: >> I'm actually helping sighted people to install Ubuntu on their devices. >> sometimes I met with laptops which have no super key. How can I start Orca >> in that case? Tanks. > > Well, perhaps I'll leave the Control S keystroke in place for the install process only. Everywhere else will be Super + Alt + S. It should be noted that the keystroke is not configurable on the Unity login screen, but it is configurable for the desktop session, and should be configurable for gdm, although I haven't checked. I prefer consistancy, but the amount of code to keep Control S around for the installer is small enough such that it can be left there. > > Luke > From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Aug 23 11:06:26 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:06:26 +0200 Subject: backup app and Orca in Trusty Message-ID: <53F875B2.9040900@tomaatnet.nl> Hi, In Ubuntu 12.04, Unity 2D the backup app did very well with Orca. In Trusty I can work with the flat review but the tabs are all spoken by Orca as PLANNING. Maybe a question of labeling? Milton From gervin at cableone.net Sat Aug 23 15:51:58 2014 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:51:58 -0500 Subject: need help with installing Sonar Message-ID: <1DA483846BF042AB9724BABBA151288E@your2c061f0461> Hi All, I'm trying to install Sonar onto my Asus 901. It is painfully slow in the region section, so I don't want to have to start over. I am past the partitioning section of the install, and I'm at the point where I pick a name and password and such, and the only button that is available is "close". I am expecting either forward or finish. Does anyone know if the close button here will close the install program, or will it finish it? The only thing I may not have done correctly is the password, and I don't know if it has a minimum requirement. I would rather not even have a password, but I did use a 5-letter word, the same as the log-in name, but I installed Ubuntu recently, and that worked there, so it should be okay here. Thanks for any help. Glenn From j.nadeau at charter.net Sat Aug 23 16:55:26 2014 From: j.nadeau at charter.net (Jonathan Nadeau) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:55:26 +0200 Subject: need help with installing Sonar In-Reply-To: <1DA483846BF042AB9724BABBA151288E@your2c061f0461> References: <1DA483846BF042AB9724BABBA151288E@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: <53F8C77E.4030500@charter.net> If you are not seeing forward then you have missed a spot to enter in some data. Double check and make sure you have all regions filled out. On 23/08/14 17:51, Lenny wrote: > Hi All, > I'm trying to install Sonar onto my Asus 901. > It is painfully slow in the region section, so I don't want to have to start > over. > I am past the partitioning section of the install, and I'm at the point > where I pick a name and password and such, and the only button that is > available is "close". > I am expecting either forward or finish. > Does anyone know if the close button here will close the install program, or > will it finish it? > The only thing I may not have done correctly is the password, and I don't > know if it has a minimum requirement. > I would rather not even have a password, but I did use a 5-letter word, the > same as the log-in name, but I installed Ubuntu recently, and that worked > there, so it should be okay here. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > From tony.bernedal at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 17:23:40 2014 From: tony.bernedal at gmail.com (Tony Bernedal) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:23:40 +0200 Subject: gnome desktop in 14.04 inaccessible? Message-ID: <438E4473-D1C1-481B-A032-E19891E505F6@gmail.com> Hi I installed ubuntu gnome desktop on a test machine running ubuntu 14.04. I wanted to see if gnome desktop was more accessible than unity. I used the apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop. To my surprise it was not accessible at all. First I selected gdm as the video manager as described in a article I found. That loginscreen was not useable, couldn't change the session as I can with the default login. Fixed that so I was back to lightdm and that login screen works. Changed session to gnome and logged in. The program menu with alt+f1 was not useable at all. the panels seems to not work. No menus so the panels (if they are there at all) so the content can be changed. Any ideas here of a better desktop environment on ubuntu or is Vinux the only usefull distro nowdays. Ubuntu 12.04 was more usefull than this crap. Don't want to go to Windows but if accessibility on linux is so useless I think we don't have any options left. Regards Tony From gervin at cableone.net Sat Aug 23 17:53:14 2014 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:53:14 -0500 Subject: need help with installing Sonar References: <1DA483846BF042AB9724BABBA151288E@your2c061f0461> <53F8C77E.4030500@charter.net> Message-ID: <2D838F90AC0E4B7E86FC2AD0F6889BA2@your2c061f0461> I don't think so. I tabbed through probably 20 times! I did all the fields and options that there was offered! Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Nadeau" To: "Lenny" ; "Ubuntu List" Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: need help with installing Sonar If you are not seeing forward then you have missed a spot to enter in some data. Double check and make sure you have all regions filled out. On 23/08/14 17:51, Lenny wrote: > Hi All, > I'm trying to install Sonar onto my Asus 901. > It is painfully slow in the region section, so I don't want to have to > start > over. > I am past the partitioning section of the install, and I'm at the point > where I pick a name and password and such, and the only button that is > available is "close". > I am expecting either forward or finish. > Does anyone know if the close button here will close the install program, > or > will it finish it? > The only thing I may not have done correctly is the password, and I don't > know if it has a minimum requirement. > I would rather not even have a password, but I did use a 5-letter word, > the > same as the log-in name, but I installed Ubuntu recently, and that worked > there, so it should be okay here. > Thanks for any help. > Glenn > > From w0jrl1 at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 18:00:36 2014 From: w0jrl1 at gmail.com (Jeremy Lincicome) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:00:36 -0600 Subject: gnome desktop in 14.04 inaccessible? In-Reply-To: <438E4473-D1C1-481B-A032-E19891E505F6@gmail.com> References: <438E4473-D1C1-481B-A032-E19891E505F6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53F8D6C4.5080805@gmail.com> Tony, The desktop that comes with ubuntu-gnome-desktop is called gnome-shell. Gnome-shell doesn't have an applications menu like you're used to. When you press alt f1, you are taken to an overview of the windows that you have open. To see your list of applications after pressing alt f1, press control alt tab until you hear dash. When the dash is open, you can use your arrow keys to navigate your list of applications. If you press control alt tab without pressing alt f1 first, you will find an item called the top bar. The top bar replaces the old gnome-2 panels. You can navigate the top bar with the tab key and the arrow keys. Some of the menus on the top bar are sub-menus. To get out of a sub-menu and return to the top bar, press escape. I hope this helps you to better navigate your desktop. If you have anymore questions, feel free to contact me, either on the list or at my email address. Jeremy On 08/23/2014 11:23 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: > Hi > I installed ubuntu gnome desktop on a test machine running ubuntu 14.04. I wanted to see if gnome desktop was more accessible than unity. > I used the apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop. > To my surprise it was not accessible at all. > First I selected gdm as the video manager as described in a article I found. That loginscreen was not useable, couldn't change the session as I can with the default login. Fixed that so I was back to lightdm and that login screen works. Changed session to gnome and logged in. > The program menu with alt+f1 was not useable at all. > the panels seems to not work. > No menus so the panels (if they are there at all) so the content can be changed. > Any ideas here of a better desktop environment on ubuntu or is Vinux the only usefull distro nowdays. > Ubuntu 12.04 was more usefull than this crap. > Don't want to go to Windows but if accessibility on linux is so useless I think we don't have any options left. > > Regards Tony > > > From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Aug 23 18:21:55 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 20:21:55 +0200 Subject: gnome desktop in 14.04 inaccessible? In-Reply-To: <438E4473-D1C1-481B-A032-E19891E505F6@gmail.com> References: <438E4473-D1C1-481B-A032-E19891E505F6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53F8DBC3.5070302@tomaatnet.nl> Hi, I have another experience. I did: sudo apt-get install gnome-session-flashback and after choose gnome flashback metacity to start up. alt_F1 takes me to the applications menu in the top menu bar and Orca is doing well. The only thing I met is that I cannot get with Orca to the Indicator applet where I can shutdown the machine. I do this by pressing the power button and then a dialog box appear to shutdown the machine. I also did: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell and this is quite accessible with Orca. Milton Op 23-08-14 om 19:23 schreef Tony Bernedal: > Hi > I installed ubuntu gnome desktop on a test machine running ubuntu 14.04. I wanted to see if gnome desktop was more accessible than unity. > I used the apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop. > To my surprise it was not accessible at all. > First I selected gdm as the video manager as described in a article I found. That loginscreen was not useable, couldn't change the session as I can with the default login. Fixed that so I was back to lightdm and that login screen works. Changed session to gnome and logged in. > The program menu with alt+f1 was not useable at all. > the panels seems to not work. > No menus so the panels (if they are there at all) so the content can be changed. > Any ideas here of a better desktop environment on ubuntu or is Vinux the only usefull distro nowdays. > Ubuntu 12.04 was more usefull than this crap. > Don't want to go to Windows but if accessibility on linux is so useless I think we don't have any options left. > > Regards Tony > > > From coffeekingms at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 20:35:46 2014 From: coffeekingms at gmail.com (kendell clark) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:35:46 -0500 Subject: need help with installing Sonar In-Reply-To: <1DA483846BF042AB9724BABBA151288E@your2c061f0461> References: <1DA483846BF042AB9724BABBA151288E@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: <53F8FB22.2030705@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 hi I think I can help you. If you're in the username section, make absolutely sure your passwords match. If they don't, the forward button won't show up. Try deleting both password fields and re-entering it. If that doesn't help, hop on the sonar channel on irc.netwirc.tk and I can help you more there. Sorry for teh short email, I'm about to get some coffee, decaffeinated Thanks Kendell clark On 08/23/2014 10:51 AM, Lenny wrote: > Hi All, I'm trying to install Sonar onto my Asus 901. It is > painfully slow in the region section, so I don't want to have to > start over. I am past the partitioning section of the install, and > I'm at the point where I pick a name and password and such, and the > only button that is available is "close". I am expecting either > forward or finish. Does anyone know if the close button here will > close the install program, or will it finish it? The only thing I > may not have done correctly is the password, and I don't know if it > has a minimum requirement. I would rather not even have a password, > but I did use a 5-letter word, the same as the log-in name, but I > installed Ubuntu recently, and that worked there, so it should be > okay here. Thanks for any help. Glenn > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJT+PsiAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdP8sP/2MD4jDE2BSKMvExEhKchX1j CdS4tfSbemyMn1dP1NZeUYxse7EKxIg17r2GYwWhGi699ZYEWjdNjSvvnHOD4FZu NPHhGpcxyTJfd8r1QmHKi2CNegQK3W/YsMITNzJWqs7OlDYjhjQ+VixStMN4rJfo zPdbm8QfBAxa9OBzfcYbOxvns6dZTQtyQq47Q9eZXouSch2TzFjwVDjFJy3dLwEB 1/vGHZMHAm1KtMopV5YvUnKkJhYbSn0qkXaKkRwYAz0B+xeQdlKcOKqWfGXADgYl SbBPvrLomlRAK0qI+8ETVpuNLP7Rma3MDw4+6HwYDunIJOo3WmWtqZhdmIxTWIeN sSXYmVtGRT0TsqmMl3gx/QFGvQlgAXsBa8xg8Dup+u/EBhikQ6WzNQMLYLX3JYiO 4C3li6OgquRS1bF1PFVRxzzYAb1/xvkhyS1mrfoTWzCm2EI963mRL/TdyIFbfg6/ ojMk5Uu8WCjWU1KndOrmTsh5dEf3BftMpbtfbqyB2uyCoHdYir5lOV4bmjDj8ex/ XwJcWh0Yv+FIauv5Rs3ZHcwPjXeNg7yEK063tJsVpDyh+3mCgv60nSLP0wWDNUPb Y27BcNOBhrZe2qnF13qlIcWJhYko8PZ8OR9oshh6DNDEtSE5+PPJTE4OeNWcipVR x1fKFpZj5ZfZDVnuSlTn =D0Ze -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sun Aug 24 18:16:40 2014 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:16:40 +0200 Subject: backup app is very well accissible with Orca in Trusty Message-ID: <53FA2C08.9040205@tomaatnet.nl> Hi, I 'm very sorry for my prior message about the backup app in Trusty not being accessible well with Orca. I navigate with the down arrow key and all tabs are spoken well by Orca. Many thanks. Milton From jk5573 at mun.ca Fri Aug 22 05:37:18 2014 From: jk5573 at mun.ca (jk5573 at mun.ca) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 03:07:18 -0230 Subject: invitation to participate in a PhD dissertation survey on requirements engineering practices in open source software development Message-ID: <1408685838.53f6d70e59bc0@webmail.mun.ca> Hi Sir, My name is jaison kuriakose and I am a PhD student in information systems in memorial university, Canada. As part of my PhD dissertation, I am conducting a survey study on requirements engineering practices in open source software development under the supervision of Dr. Jeffrey Parsons. Below are the details about the study. If possible, please consider participating. Thank you. Invitation message for participation in survey Dear sir/madam, You are invited to participate in a survey titled "requirements engineering practices used in the development of open source software projects". This survey is part of a PhD dissertation study on requirements gathering in open source software development. This survey contains questions about which requirements engineering practices are being used during open source software development, how useful requirements engineering practices are for open source software development and the problems and issues that may arise while carrying out requirements gathering activities during open source software development. The survey would take around twenty minutes to complete. The questions are not mandatory. If you are interested in participating in this survey, please fill out the survey by clicking on the link below: http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1582452/ba155dc1677a Researcher information: My name is Jaison Kuriakose and I am a PhD candidate at memorial university, Canada. My contact email is jk5573 at mun.ca. The proposal for this research has been reviewed by the Interdisciplinary Committee on Ethics in Human Research and found to be in compliance with Memorial University's ethics policy. If you have ethical concerns about the research, such as the way you have been treated or your rights as a participant, you may contact the Chairperson of the ICEHR at icehr at mun.ca or by telephone at 709-864-2861. Thank you Jaison Kuriakose PhD candidate in Information systems Memorial University, Canada From mengualjeanphi at free.fr Mon Aug 25 22:18:02 2014 From: mengualjeanphi at free.fr (MENGUAL Jean-Philippe) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 00:18:02 +0200 Subject: MATE Message-ID: <53FBB61A.7000805@free.fr> Hi, I plan to install MATE on 14.04 as it seems to work fine. But: 1. How can I remove Unity? If I need to hold it, is it sure it only uses disk space and not other resources while not enabled? 2. How can I make the system slighter? Are there tools I can remove if I don't use Unity? Thanks, Regards, -- Jean-Philippe MENGUAL accelibreinfo, votre partenaire en informatique adaptée aux déficients visuels Mail: texou at accelibreinfo.eu Site Web: http://www.accelibreinfo.eu From pvdeejay at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 09:06:10 2014 From: pvdeejay at gmail.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?=) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:06:10 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 14.04 and Magnification In-Reply-To: <530BBCF7.20608@gmail.com> References: <530BBCF7.20608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53FC4E02.7050706@gmail.com> Hello, Ubuntu 14.04 is already released however I am afraid the magnifier is not there by default at least I seem to be unable to find it. In older versions there was a package compizconfig-settings-manager which was supposed to add kind of magnification to unity however it can no longer be installed in 14.04 at least not for me. I hope this is my ignorance regarding magnifier because up to now I was not interested in making it work. Now I do have a friend around and I would be happy to try get her setup with recent widelly supported linux distro she can use for day to day use. What am I missing? Do I need to get gnome 3.12 installed for her? She is not that interested in orca but magnifier. Greetings Peter On 24.02.2014 at 22:43 Robert Cole wrote: > I am just writing to ask if anyone knows if screen magnification will > be available in Ubuntu 14.04? > > If anyone has any information regarding this, it would be much > appreciated. > > Take care. >