From gervin at cableone.net Sun Jan 12 00:45:25 2014 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:45:25 -0600 Subject: Looking for a talking ARM image Message-ID: <434AD5422FC14F258A0CD4BB371AFD66@your2c061f0461> Hi All, Is there a talking Ubuntu, or talking Arch for the ARM platform? I have an MK802 and I tried the RPI version of Arch, but it did not come up talking. There is one image for it, but I haven't heard any sound out of it, it is called ubuntu-desktop-12.04-1-miniand.com.img. It is running Android 4.2 on it, for Google TV, and I had a sighted family member install TalkBack from the play store, but I get no sound out of that either. But we did go to a YouTube site, and then there is audio, so it's not the device. Thanks for any assistance. Glenn From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Jan 12 22:14:02 2014 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:14:02 +1100 Subject: Looking for a talking ARM image In-Reply-To: <434AD5422FC14F258A0CD4BB371AFD66@your2c061f0461> References: <434AD5422FC14F258A0CD4BB371AFD66@your2c061f0461> Message-ID: <20140112221402.GA5343@acapella> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:45:25AM EST, Lenny wrote: > Hi All, > Is there a talking Ubuntu, or talking Arch for the ARM platform? > I have an MK802 and I tried the RPI version of Arch, but it did not come up > talking. Mind elaborating exactly what hardware this is? Is it a tablet, or some other development board? Luke From gervin at cableone.net Tue Jan 14 01:45:24 2014 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:45:24 -0600 Subject: Looking for a talking ARM image References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, The MK802 is the predecessor to Google Chrome I believe. It has a GB of RAM and a processor and storage that rivals smart phones. It has Android running on it, and it has an HDMI port, a USB port, a mini USB port for accessing it from a computer, and a micro SD slot which I have been trying to boot to, I'm not sure if I have booted to anything but the Android. There is no accessibility in the Android 4.2 settings, so even though I had someone install TalkBack, it does not talk. But the miniand image may or may not be booting up. That is supposed to be using Ubuntu ARM. This thing is about the size of a flip-phone that is opened up flat. It is in a plastic housing, so it is not like the Raspberry PI. It has WIFI built-in too. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:14:02 +1100 From: Luke Yelavich To: ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Looking for a talking ARM image Message-ID: <20140112221402.GA5343 at acapella> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:45:25AM EST, Lenny wrote: > Hi All, > Is there a talking Ubuntu, or talking Arch for the ARM platform? > I have an MK802 and I tried the RPI version of Arch, but it did not come > up > talking. Mind elaborating exactly what hardware this is? Is it a tablet, or some other development board? Luke ------------------------------ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility End of Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 98, Issue 2 *************************************************** From gervin at cableone.net Sun Jan 19 03:53:18 2014 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:53:18 -0600 Subject: Can't log back in on XpLike Ubuntu Message-ID: Hi, I am trying out a live session of XpLike Ubuntu, it's Ubuntu 11.04. Happily Orca ran when I tried it after boot up. After Orca setup, it wants to log out and back in in order to work. After logging out, I cannot log back in. I have to have sighted assistance to shut down and reboot. But then of course, I have to start over with the Orca setup. I have tried no password/username, and I have tried ubuntu in both and either field. It will not authenticate my login. Any ideas? Thanks. Glenn From gervin at cableone.net Sun Jan 19 03:57:52 2014 From: gervin at cableone.net (Lenny) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:57:52 -0600 Subject: follow-up to XpLike Message-ID: <24C2E39B268E4B5C91057DFE23BC039A@your2c061f0461> Hi again, Actually, it's Ubuntu 10.04. Not 11.04. Glenn From thismagpie at live.com Mon Jan 20 02:41:21 2014 From: thismagpie at live.com (magpie) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 02:41:21 +0000 Subject: Can't log back in on XpLike Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glen, CC'ing Joanie (the Orca developer) as she will most likely have some useful advice. Unfortunately I cannot tell you too much about orca or why the problem might have happened, but I believe I can offer a few suggestions on how you can fix it so you are able to log back into your computer again. It very possible to reset your account password and even su as you boot it up. The first thing I would normally do is try using a 'live' usb or CD to boot from (you may need to change the boot priority in the bios first for that though) so you can back up your files and wipe over the installation fresh but not sure this is helpful since you seemed keen to keep your orca configuration as you had it so this actually might be a last resort here, I guess. The alternative way is via using the terminal. I do know whether you are able to use text to speech using the command line at all and I am reluctant to go into detail without having had a chance to double check the steps myself first in case I forget something important in the process so I sought a document which suggests you may be able to use espeak to read terminal commands the link is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TextToSpeech (in case you can access webpages on another device)Can you advise on the status of the issue and the options available to you at present For now, I am going give you only a rough outline but first note: You should be able to press F4 from the login page to get to a terminal prompt but this is likely to want your password too so failing that this is an outline of what you could try ie. a general (not yet checked through) my rough guide is this: *Rough Guide* 1. Boot up and when the screen go to grub, press 'e' at the kernel 2. Navigate to where it says something like linuxefi (a bunch of numbers miscellaneous characters like vconsole and ro,) then before where a new line starts with something like initd (or similar sounding anyway) at the last line of the linux_efi setting there it will usually say something like 'quiet splash' you want to add something to the end of this line before the newline which says something like 'initrd' (IMPORTANT) if you are on that line you went too far: you need to place your edit only the end of the line just before 'initrd'). (These changes will be over written at the following boot so do not worry about trying things out with 'e' grub edits at all) 3. When you find that last character of the lines which follow on after linux (and before initrd!!! :-) ) 4. Type the following: init 3 5. Press F10 to boot into a command prompt. 4. Sometimes this does not help. In that case try step 4 like this instead: rw init=/bin/bash (Aside The 'rw' is important because it will give you write access (as well as read) which is what you need( but if you forget it you can unmount and remount from the prompt too). You can apply something like this with any login shell like csh (or even python) too) 5. Then press F10 to boot into command as before. 6. From there you can set the root passwd using the following command passwd user (e.g. 'passwd magpie' would be mine) You should receive a prompt to enter a password in. 7. If still having trouble create a new user account useradd my_new_user Then repeat 6. for that user. 7. When all that works out as planned, type the following command to launch the graphical session startx hopefully this will bring up the login screen o you can sign in. If things work out please check or post the logs from /var/logs/ to see what they tell you about the orca crash.) and file with a bug report on http://bugzilla.gnome.org. I can file a bug against the issue you raise about not being able to back up or save your settings if it would be of benefit to have that facility it seems that might be part of the problem you are facing here but I am not overly familiar with orca so please correct me if I misunderstood things there. I am happy to send an mp3 (or some othe format) with the instructions here once I have checked them more thoroughly and (can confirm they are complete ) in case that works better while your screenreader is playing up. But let's hope you have been able to sort things out already and none of this is needed. Otherwise good luck and please let us know how you get on. Kind regards, Magdalen (magpie) On 19/01/14 03:53, Lenny wrote: > Hi, > I am trying out a live session of XpLike Ubuntu, it's Ubuntu 11.04. > Happily Orca ran when I tried it after boot up. > After Orca setup, it wants to log out and back in in order to work. > After logging out, I cannot log back in. > I have to have sighted assistance to shut down and reboot. > But then of course, I have to start over with the Orca setup. > I have tried no password/username, and I have tried ubuntu in both and > either field. > It will not authenticate my login. > Any ideas? > Thanks. > Glenn > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fudge at thefudge.net Mon Jan 20 03:00:11 2014 From: fudge at thefudge.net (Rob Whyte) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:00:11 +1100 Subject: Can't log back in on XpLike Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52DC913B.5020103@thefudge.net> Glen, you might try switch to a console: Control, Alt + F1 type: sudo restart gdm Hopefully that will restart the login manager which should be set to automatically log in. If that fails, when Orca asks you to log out and back in, try pushing: Control, Alt + Backspace Hopefully that will restart the X server and again, log you back in automatically. If you do not hear Orca straight away press: Alt F2 and type in orca Are you aware that is quite an old image now and there are other blind friendly options out there like Vinux, www.vinuxproject.org Good luck Rob Whyte On 20/01/14 13:41, magpie wrote: > Hi Glen, > > CC'ing Joanie (the Orca developer) as she will most likely have some > useful advice. Unfortunately I cannot tell you too much about orca or > why the problem might have happened, but I believe I can offer a few > suggestions on how you can fix it so you are able to log back into > your computer again. It very possible to reset your account password > and even su as you boot it up. > > The first thing I would normally do is try using a 'live' usb or CD to > boot from (you may need to change the boot priority in the bios first > for that though) so you can back up your files and wipe over the > installation fresh but not sure this is helpful since you seemed keen > to keep your orca configuration as you had it so this actually might > be a last resort here, I guess. > > The alternative way is via using the terminal. I do know whether you > are able to use text to speech using the command line at all and I am > reluctant to go into detail without having had a chance to double > check the steps myself first in case I forget something important in > the process so I sought a document which suggests you may be able to > use espeak to read terminal commands the link is > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TextToSpeech (in case you can access > webpages on another device)Can you advise on the status of the issue > and the options available to you at present > > For now, I am going give you only a rough outline but first note: You > should be able to press F4 from the login page to get to a > terminal prompt but this is likely to want your password too so > failing that this is an outline of what you could try ie. a general > (not yet checked through) my rough guide is this: > > *Rough Guide* > > 1. Boot up and when the screen go to grub, press 'e' at the kernel > > 2. Navigate to where it says something like linuxefi (a bunch of > numbers miscellaneous characters like vconsole and ro,) then before > where a new line starts with something like initd (or similar sounding > anyway) at the last line of the linux_efi setting there it will > usually say something like 'quiet splash' you want to add something to > the end of this line before the newline which says something like > 'initrd' (IMPORTANT) if you are on that line you went too far: you > need to place your edit only the end of the line just before > 'initrd'). (These changes will be over written at the following boot > so do not worry about trying things out with 'e' grub edits at all) > > 3. When you find that last character of the lines which follow on > after linux (and before initrd!!! :-) ) > > 4. Type the following: > > init 3 > > 5. Press F10 to boot into a command prompt. > > 4. Sometimes this does not help. In that case try step 4 like this > instead: > > rw init=/bin/bash > > (Aside The 'rw' is important because it will give you write access (as > well as read) which is what you need( but if you forget it you can > unmount and remount from the prompt too). You can apply something like > this with any login shell like csh (or even python) too) > > 5. Then press F10 to boot into command as before. > > > 6. From there you can set the root passwd using the following command > > passwd user > > (e.g. 'passwd magpie' would be mine) > > You should receive a prompt to enter a password in. > > 7. If still having trouble create a new user account > > useradd my_new_user > > Then repeat 6. for that user. > > 7. When all that works out as planned, type the following command to > launch the graphical session > > startx > > hopefully this will bring up the login screen o you can sign in. > > If things work out please check or post the logs from /var/logs/ to > see what they tell you about the orca crash.) and file with a bug > report on http://bugzilla.gnome.org. I can file a bug against the > issue you raise about not being able to back up or save your settings > if it would be of benefit to have that facility it seems that might > be part of the problem you are facing here but I am not overly > familiar with orca so please correct me if I misunderstood things there. > > I am happy to send an mp3 (or some othe format) with the instructions > here once I have checked them more thoroughly and (can confirm they > are complete ) in case that works better while your screenreader is > playing up. But let's hope you have been able to sort things out > already and none of this is needed. Otherwise good luck and please let > us know how you get on. > > Kind regards, > Magdalen (magpie) > > On 19/01/14 03:53, Lenny wrote: >> Hi, >> I am trying out a live session of XpLike Ubuntu, it's Ubuntu 11.04. >> Happily Orca ran when I tried it after boot up. >> After Orca setup, it wants to log out and back in in order to work. >> After logging out, I cannot log back in. >> I have to have sighted assistance to shut down and reboot. >> But then of course, I have to start over with the Orca setup. >> I have tried no password/username, and I have tried ubuntu in both and >> either field. >> It will not authenticate my login. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks. >> Glenn >> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krmane at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 17:49:50 2014 From: krmane at gmail.com (Krishnakant Mane) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:19:50 +0530 Subject: what to expect for Orca on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? Message-ID: <52E69C3E.3080104@gmail.com> hello all, I wish to know what can be expected from Ubuntu 14.04 as far as accessibility is concerned? 1, will Unity 3d be finally accessible and to what extent? 2, Will there be a possibility to have Gnome 3.10 on the said version? 3, I saw a mail few days before on pdf acccessibility through evince? Will that accessible version be available on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From alex.midence at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 20:31:09 2014 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:31:09 -0600 Subject: [orca-list] what to expect for Orca on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? In-Reply-To: <52E69C3E.3080104@gmail.com> References: <52E69C3E.3080104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00dc01cf1b9e$b6f5f9b0$24e1ed10$@gmail.com> 14.04 will have Gnome-shell 3.10. As for accessible Evince, I believe 13.10 has it so, 14.04 should. I'm running 13.10 at ome so, I can check this evening to make sure. -----Original Message----- From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces at gnome.org] On Behalf Of Krishnakant Mane Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:50 AM To: ORCA-LIST at gnome.org Cc: Ubuntu-Accessibility Subject: [orca-list] what to expect for Orca on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? hello all, I wish to know what can be expected from Ubuntu 14.04 as far as accessibility is concerned? 1, will Unity 3d be finally accessible and to what extent? 2, Will there be a possibility to have Gnome 3.10 on the said version? 3, I saw a mail few days before on pdf acccessibility through evince? Will that accessible version be available on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list at gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. 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