From gervin at cableone.net Mon Nov 2 01:35:49 2015 From: gervin at cableone.net (Glenn / Lenny) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 19:35:49 -0600 Subject: reordering options in GRUB Message-ID: Hi, I recall before GRUB 2.x that it was not difficult to change the order of which the menu choices would be listed. Then with GRUB 2.0, it seemed to become difficult. Is it still difficult? Could someone lay out the steps for making permanent changes to the order in GRUB? Thanks. Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mengualjeanphi at free.fr Tue Nov 3 00:30:23 2015 From: mengualjeanphi at free.fr (MENGUAL Jean-Philippe) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:30:23 +0100 Subject: About Hypra Message-ID: <5638001F.3020306@free.fr> Hi, I've talked to you about various projects I have to work on accessibility, e.g. Orca, MATE, BRLTTY, etc. But now the website is translated, I think it is more useful to introduce it: http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-&lang=en Our main release is a liveCD, based on Debian, with Orca and all a11y stack active for any people (blind, sighted impaired, etc). For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws, NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical discussions with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping improvements and submitting them. I think we will often have dialogs here, in particular to share things related to Compiz as Ubuntu is the current maintainer. Best regards, -- Jean-Philippe MENGUAL HYPRA, progressons ensemble Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 Mail:contact at hypra.fr Site Web:http://hypra.fr -- Jean-Philippe MENGUAL HYPRA, progressons ensemble Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 Mail: contact at hypra.fr Site Web: http://hypra.fr From burt1iband at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 01:52:23 2015 From: burt1iband at gmail.com (B. Henry) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:52:23 -0600 Subject: VINUX-SUPPORT: Introduction of my project In-Reply-To: <56380992.5060507@free.fr> References: <56380992.5060507@free.fr> Message-ID: <20151103015223.GE29113@gmail.com> This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good dasy player for Linux on the Orca list. I am really excited to hear about the steps your are taking to improve accessiblity with FOS software for GNU-Linux. I am also very glad that there is an English version of the website. At this oint I do not know what I can offer this project directly, but hope to be able to do so at some point. For now I'll be spreading the word that it exists among some folks who are not on this list, Orca nor Ubuntu-accessiblity. Congrats! -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:10:42AM +0100 > Hi, > > I've been working with free software for 2004, and I'm sure now of 2 things: > it's The solution to get an accessible computer in long-term, but its > diversity results on a need of fulltime work on the matter. I love the work > on distros such as Vinux, about which I'm writing a manual to learn > computing (very long as I've few time). I think now an accessible system > should go still further, using "universal" purpose. But universal, it means > a flexible desktop, for various visual issues, etc. > > For all these reasons I try now so pay for devs to work on GNU/Linux a11y, > in particular Compiz, Orca and MATE. To know the values of this project and > our model, see: > http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-&lang=en > > For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws, > NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that > users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this > basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical discussions > with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the > application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping > improvements and submitting them. > > Thanks > > Regards, > > -- > > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL > > HYPRA, progressons ensemble > > Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 > Mail: contact at hypra.fr > > Site Web: http://hypra.fr > > -- > Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org > Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org > You can search or view our group on the web: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support > Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux > > Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Vinux support forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. From mengualjeanphi at free.fr Tue Nov 3 13:25:27 2015 From: mengualjeanphi at free.fr (MENGUAL Jean-Philippe) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 14:25:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=C2=A0:_Re:_VINUX-SUPPORT:_Introduction_of_my_project?= In-Reply-To: <7059E931-3D1F-430C-8819-939EED8E4507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1526839448.395141148.1446557127206.JavaMail.root@zimbra63-e11.priv.proxad.net> ----- Devin Prater a écrit : > While I do see a need for a Daisy player and other such applications, In our UAS we include daisyplayer. Do you know? It seems all rieght isn't it? I also think an EPUB player, About it I think we will include epub-reader. It is also a kind of OCR. To be tested better speech synthesis, Sure that is in projects. Mbrola provides a good base but we are porting a Windows one developped by a Frence University, Kali. Unfortunately, not yet free. and a version of Linux that would run on my Mac as my feature requests. What do you mean? I'm fine with eSpeak, and if it can be used with MBROLA I'd be fine with that, too. yes you can, that the choice we did on live CD. I'd also like an accessible application to create music like in Quck Windows sequencer, but that can wait. that is a very big thing indeed. A specific thread I think, with testers, etc (I am not a musician myself). > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:52 PM, B. Henry wrote: > > > > This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more > > specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good dasy player for Linux on the Orca list. > > I am really excited to hear about the steps your are taking to improve accessiblity with FOS software for GNU-Linux. > > I am also very glad that there is an English version of the website. > > At this oint I do not know what I can offer this project directly, but hope to be able to do so at some point. For now I'll be spreading the word that > > it exists among some folks who are not on this list, Orca nor Ubuntu-accessiblity. Good point thanks. The most this project will be known, people will order traniing and installations, the more we will be financed and work a long and with many people about all this. regards > > Congrats! > > > > > > -- > > B.H. > > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > > Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:10:42AM +0100 > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've been working with free software for 2004, and I'm sure now of 2 things: > >> it's The solution to get an accessible computer in long-term, but its > >> diversity results on a need of fulltime work on the matter. I love the work > >> on distros such as Vinux, about which I'm writing a manual to learn > >> computing (very long as I've few time). I think now an accessible system > >> should go still further, using "universal" purpose. But universal, it means > >> a flexible desktop, for various visual issues, etc. > >> > >> For all these reasons I try now so pay for devs to work on GNU/Linux a11y, > >> in particular Compiz, Orca and MATE. To know the values of this project and > >> our model, see: > >> http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-&lang=en > >> > >> For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws, > >> NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that > >> users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this > >> basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical discussions > >> with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the > >> application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping > >> improvements and submitting them. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL > >> > >> HYPRA, progressons ensemble > >> > >> Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 > >> Mail: contact at hypra.fr > >> > >> Site Web: http://hypra.fr > >> > >> -- > >> Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org > >> Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org > >> You can search or view our group on the web: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support > >> Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux > >> > >> Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Vinux support forum" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > > > -- > > Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org > > Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org > > You can search or view our group on the web: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support > > Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux > > > > Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vinux support forum" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > -- > Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org > Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org > You can search or view our group on the web: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support > Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux > > Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vinux support forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. From r.d.t.prater at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 11:31:53 2015 From: r.d.t.prater at gmail.com (Devin Prater) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 05:31:53 -0600 Subject: VINUX-SUPPORT: Introduction of my project In-Reply-To: <20151103015223.GE29113@gmail.com> References: <56380992.5060507@free.fr> <20151103015223.GE29113@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7059E931-3D1F-430C-8819-939EED8E4507@gmail.com> While I do see a need for a Daisy player and other such applications, I also think an EPUB player, better speech synthesis, and a version of Linux that would run on my Mac as my feature requests. I'm fine with eSpeak, and if it can be used with MBROLA I'd be fine with that, too. I'd also like an accessible application to create music like in Quck Windows sequencer, but that can wait. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:52 PM, B. Henry wrote: > > This is a great project, much after my own heart. I started thinking about about something like this kind of thing a long time ago, but more > specifically last December when people were discussing their need of a good dasy player for Linux on the Orca list. > I am really excited to hear about the steps your are taking to improve accessiblity with FOS software for GNU-Linux. > I am also very glad that there is an English version of the website. > At this oint I do not know what I can offer this project directly, but hope to be able to do so at some point. For now I'll be spreading the word that > it exists among some folks who are not on this list, Orca nor Ubuntu-accessiblity. > Congrats! > > > -- > B.H. > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:10:42AM +0100 > >> Hi, >> >> I've been working with free software for 2004, and I'm sure now of 2 things: >> it's The solution to get an accessible computer in long-term, but its >> diversity results on a need of fulltime work on the matter. I love the work >> on distros such as Vinux, about which I'm writing a manual to learn >> computing (very long as I've few time). I think now an accessible system >> should go still further, using "universal" purpose. But universal, it means >> a flexible desktop, for various visual issues, etc. >> >> For all these reasons I try now so pay for devs to work on GNU/Linux a11y, >> in particular Compiz, Orca and MATE. To know the values of this project and >> our model, see: >> http://hypra.fr/?-Home-17-&lang=en >> >> For next month, we will release a full list of features we found in Jaws, >> NVDA, ZoomText and SuperNova and not present in Orca and Linux, so that >> users could tell us whet should be prioritary to be developped. On this >> basis, we'll submit patches to add features, including technical discussions >> with you about the good approach (what is for Orca, for at-spi, for the >> application, etc). Now we've the basic platform, we can start developping >> improvements and submitting them. >> >> Thanks >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> >> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL >> >> HYPRA, progressons ensemble >> >> Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 >> Mail: contact at hypra.fr >> >> Site Web: http://hypra.fr >> >> -- >> Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org >> Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org >> You can search or view our group on the web: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support >> Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux >> >> Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Vinux support forum" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > > -- > Remember to frequently check our Wiki: http://wiki.vinuxproject.org > Our website: http://www.vinuxproject.org > You can search or view our group on the web: http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support > Talk to us on IRC irc.vinuxproject.org #Vinux > > Unsubscribe from Vinux by emailing vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vinux support forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vinux-support+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. From fudge at thefudge.net Wed Nov 4 03:43:07 2015 From: fudge at thefudge.net (Rob Whyte) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 14:43:07 +1100 Subject: Vinux 5.0 released Message-ID: <56397ECB.9030608@thefudge.net> ===== The Vinux team is pleased to announce the availability of the Vinux 5.0 desktop image. ===== This release features not just the Unity Desktop, but Gnome-shell and the ever popular Gnome 2 fork called Mate, though we primarily will support Unity only. Remember we recommend that when possible users perform updates on a regular basis. This will enable the Vinux team to update packages, and introduce new features. Vinux 5.0 is based upon Ubuntu Trusty Tahr 14.0.4.3 LTS. ===== Some of the highlights in Vinux 5.0 ===== New re-designed Vinux boot logo. Up to date accessibility infrastructure. Current Gnome-Orca and accessibility framework. Improvements with Nautilus file manager when processing large folders. ===== Known bugs ===== We are unable to include the Vinux 4.0 console speech changes due to Vinux 5.0 not using consolekit any longer, please see http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/speechd-up for more information. To use speechd-up log in to your desktop session and run sudo speechd-up from a gnome-terminal or add a startup item to do it automatically upon login. There seems to be a bug in the console if you use speakup-tools to save local speakup settings. How ever as a work around you can still gain access using sudo or root. ===== Software ===== Firefox 41 Thunderbird 38.3 Unity 7.2.4 Gnome-shell 3.10.4 Mate 1.8 LibreOffice 4.2.8 Gnome-orca 3.18.1 Espeak 1.48 Brltty 5.2 Speech-dispatcher 0.8.3 Evince 3.12.2 Liblouis 2.6.2 Clam av 0.98.7 Kernel 3.19 ===== Availability ===== Vinux 5.0 is available in the AMD64 and i386 architectures They contain everything necessary to install the Vinux operating system and a collection of pre-defined packages aimed at vision impaired users. This should be all you need if you can burn and use DVD sized media. Vinux 5.0 can be installed from optical media or from a USB pen drive. The required files can be downloaded via HTTP as entailed below. ===== Support ===== This is a long term support release, the Vinux development team encourages users to download and install Vinux 5.0 We are unable to commit to a support date due to lacking development resources. ===== Contacting US ===== Our mailing list has a supportive community on Google groups at http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-support or you can subscribe by sending an email to vinux-support+subscribe at googlegroups.com Follow us on Twitter @vinuxnews. We are on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/Vinux.AccessibleLinux/ http://www.facebook.com/groups/vinux/ ===== Acknowledgements ===== * Rob Whyte, Vinux project manager. * Luke Yelavich. Development team leader. * Bill Taylor. Testing team leader. * Karen Searle for proofreading and editing our documentation, website and wiki. Also for designing our new logo. * The Vinux team would also like to thank Christopher Chaltain, Burt Henry, Peter Tesar and members of the Vinux mailing lists for their ongoing support. ===== MD5 Checksums: ===== * vinux-5.0-amd64.iso e94ef69b512c3ff57aa0210b1444f7e6 * vinux-5.0-i386.isoca44281622246336ecdf9842f62383e5 ===== Downloading Vinux ===== Vinux has chosen Source forge for our preferred downloads. This way users can gain fast access to over 17 mirrors and give us feedback to user statistics. http://sourceforge.net/projects/vinuxproject/ Thank you for supporting the Vinux project. Kind regards Rob Whyte Vinux project manager From greggay at rogers.com Wed Nov 4 23:44:14 2015 From: greggay at rogers.com (Greg Gay) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:44:14 -0500 Subject: Call for Papers W4A 2016 Montreal Message-ID: <563A984E.7020706@rogers.com> The call for papers for the 2016 edition of the Web for All conference is now out. This year's theme is "Education for All on the Web." We hope to see the latest Ubuntu accessibility innovations there this year. For details, see the website: http://www.w4a.info/2016/call-for-papers/ ...please share broadly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From milton at tomaatnet.nl Thu Nov 12 13:54:30 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:54:30 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 15.10 dvd and Orca Message-ID: <56449A16.9030005@tomaatnet.nl> Hi List, I downloaded and burn Ubuntu 15.10 on a dvd and did the check with md5sum also for the dvd. I started my laptop with the dvd and heard the sound of the drums. I press Alt_Super_S for starting Orca but nothing happens. I also tried Control_S which works in 14.04 but no Orca. Is Orca not included or do I miss something. Thanks. Milton From kalladasunny1 at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 02:48:00 2015 From: kalladasunny1 at gmail.com (Sunny p o) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:18:00 +0530 Subject: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 117, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sir, I have downloaded and installed Ubuntu 15.10 in my lap top. By pressing alt+f2 and type orca, it can be installed without others help. There is no orca problem in this ubuntu. Libreoffice word and libreoffice calc are good with orca. But in libreoffice word the default malayalam font is not correct. On 11/13/15, ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote: > Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-accessibility-request at lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-accessibility-owner at lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ubuntu 15.10 dvd and Orca (Milton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:54:30 +0100 > From: Milton > To: "ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com" > > Subject: Ubuntu 15.10 dvd and Orca > Message-ID: <56449A16.9030005 at tomaatnet.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi List, > > I downloaded and burn Ubuntu 15.10 on a dvd and did the check with > md5sum also for the dvd. I started my laptop with the dvd and heard the > sound of the drums. I press Alt_Super_S for starting Orca but nothing > happens. I also tried Control_S which works in 14.04 but no Orca. Is > Orca not included or do I miss something. Thanks. > Milton > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > > > End of Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 117, Issue 5 > **************************************************** > From mengualjeanphi at free.fr Sat Nov 14 22:35:57 2015 From: mengualjeanphi at free.fr (MENGUAL Jean-Philippe) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 23:35:57 +0100 Subject: Survey about screen reader Message-ID: <5647B74D.80004@free.fr> Hi, As announced on Hypra newsletter, we studied the differences between typical screen readers (NVDA, JAWS) and Orca, to identify missing features. We found 50 features. Now I wonder what 9ould be the priority in a development (in parallel to fixing bugs we identified too on MATE): what feature is the most important for you? Hence this survey: https://framadate.org/spdBz1YDdJqmsqar Sorry some items may be in French at the tool is on a French portal: - Sondage=survey - Oui=Yes - Non=no - Si nécessaire=if needed/necessary - Nom=Name - Enregistrer=Save The principle: enter your name, then vote for the feature(s) you want to see developped first checking "oui" radio button, let "non" for others, or "si nécessaire" if you are in doubt. Even after saving, you can change (complete, modify) your answer. You don't have to enter a real name. Any comment is 9elcome, I can modify it (if mistakes in English, things to add, other points). Tell me also if you've problem with the tool :) (accessible, but a it's a table and as there're French text, useless for you, until the 1st title. Regards, -- Jean-Philippe MENGUAL HYPRA, progressons ensemble Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 Mail: contact at hypra.fr Site Web: http://hypra.fr From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sun Nov 15 19:52:06 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 20:52:06 +0100 Subject: Ubuntu 15.10 dvd and Orca In-Reply-To: <56449A16.9030005@tomaatnet.nl> References: <56449A16.9030005@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <5648E266.2080903@tomaatnet.nl> Hi List, It seems that Orca is indeed working during installation. I could not hear Orca speaking so with the help of a sighted person I install 15.10 and after reboot Orca came up talking in the login screen and also after login. Milton Op 12-11-15 om 14:54 schreef Milton: > Hi List, > > I downloaded and burn Ubuntu 15.10 on a dvd and did the check with > md5sum also for the dvd. I started my laptop with the dvd and heard the > sound of the drums. I press Alt_Super_S for starting Orca but nothing > happens. I also tried Control_S which works in 14.04 but no Orca. Is > Orca not included or do I miss something. Thanks. > Milton From luke.yelavich at canonical.com Sun Nov 15 22:10:41 2015 From: luke.yelavich at canonical.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:10:41 +1100 Subject: reporting Unity accessibility bugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20151115221041.GA3960@acapella> Firstly, this is a list specifically for bug notifications, the general Ubuntu accessibility list would be a better place to post this. As such, I am CCing that list. My reply is inline. On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 06:52:55AM AEDT, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > I tried a lot of distros, with Gnome, Mate, Xfce, but for usability > reason, I like Unity. Why? Classic menus and working with minimized > apps in tray, absolutelly perfect. But some great features aren't > accessible for example unity-web-apps and online account authorising > service. Can I report these accessibility issues here, Your best bet is to file bugs against the relevant packages in the distro, however they are not likely to be fixed any time soon. All of what you mention, online accounts and webapps are using Qt Webkit, which has no accessibility yet, and not likely to be done any time soon so far as I know. Luke From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Nov 21 13:17:04 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 14:17:04 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? Message-ID: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> Hi List, I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 15.10 to try magnification. I installed compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. I notice that Enhanced Zoom Desktop is enabled by default. I changed some short cut keys for avoiding using the Suer key. In Unity and Metacity nothing happens with magnification while in Gnome-shell it works. But in Gnome-shell negative view is not working after I checked this function. Do you have some tips? Thanks. Milton From alex at arnaud.link Sat Nov 21 13:57:55 2015 From: alex at arnaud.link (Alex ARNAUD) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 14:57:55 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <56507863.1060209@arnaud.link> On 21/11/2015 14:17, Milton wrote: > Hi List, Hi > I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 15.10 to try magnification. I > installed compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. I notice > that Enhanced Zoom Desktop is enabled by default. I changed some short > cut keys for avoiding using the Suer key. In Unity and Metacity > nothing happens with magnification while in Gnome-shell it works. But > in Gnome-shell negative view is not working after I checked this > function. Do you have some tips? Thanks. Gnome-shell works great but for negative view you should install xcalib command with option "-i -a". In the keyboard settings you can affect keyboard shortcut to this command. Best regards. -- Alex From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Nov 21 16:43:57 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:43:57 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <56507863.1060209@arnaud.link> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <56507863.1060209@arnaud.link> Message-ID: <56509F4D.4000803@tomaatnet.nl> Hi Alex, I installed xcalib and when I ran xcalib -i -a in a terminal I get indeed the negative view. Thanks. But in the keyboard settings I cannot find the short key setting for to toggle it on or off. In compizconfig-settings-manager I did check the negative function but the short key does nothing. Milton Op 21-11-15 om 14:57 schreef Alex ARNAUD: > On 21/11/2015 14:17, Milton wrote: >> Hi List, > Hi >> I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 15.10 to try magnification. I >> installed compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. I notice >> that Enhanced Zoom Desktop is enabled by default. I changed some short >> cut keys for avoiding using the Suer key. In Unity and Metacity >> nothing happens with magnification while in Gnome-shell it works. But >> in Gnome-shell negative view is not working after I checked this >> function. Do you have some tips? Thanks. > Gnome-shell works great but for negative view you should install xcalib > command with option "-i -a". In the keyboard settings you can affect > keyboard shortcut to this command. > > Best regards. > From alex at arnaud.link Sat Nov 21 16:50:31 2015 From: alex at arnaud.link (Alex ARNAUD) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:50:31 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <56509F4D.4000803@tomaatnet.nl> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <56507863.1060209@arnaud.link> <56509F4D.4000803@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <5650A0D7.5010804@arnaud.link> On 21/11/2015 17:43, Milton wrote: > Hi Alex, > > I installed xcalib and when I ran xcalib -i -a in a terminal I get > indeed the negative view. Thanks. But in the keyboard settings I > cannot find the short key setting for to toggle it on or off. In > compizconfig-settings-manager I did check the negative function but > the short key does nothing. OK, the steps in Gnome-shell are : 1) Go to keyboard settings 2) Go to the second tab 3) Go to last item on the left panel to create personalized shortcuts 4) Add new one with the command and define a keyboard shortcuts I use a French system so I cannot give you the right name of element. Best regards. -- Alex From mengualjeanphi at free.fr Sat Nov 21 16:50:34 2015 From: mengualjeanphi at free.fr (MENGUAL Jean-Philippe) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:50:34 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <56509F4D.4000803@tomaatnet.nl> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <56507863.1060209@arnaud.link> <56509F4D.4000803@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <5650A0DA.8060507@free.fr> Hi, The only solution is to set a binding yourself. With the command. The same switches between normal and reverted colors. Thats why our Universal Access System uses Compiz, to ship this featu!e among others. But on Ubuntu, xcalib is the good solution, with a binding you set. And otherwise the high-contrast reverted theme. Regards, Le 21/11/2015 17:43, Milton a écrit : > Hi Alex, > > I installed xcalib and when I ran xcalib -i -a in a terminal I get > indeed the negative view. Thanks. But in the keyboard settings I cannot > find the short key setting for to toggle it on or off. In > compizconfig-settings-manager I did check the negative function but the > short key does nothing. > Milton > > Op 21-11-15 om 14:57 schreef Alex ARNAUD: >> On 21/11/2015 14:17, Milton wrote: >>> Hi List, >> Hi >>> I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 15.10 to try magnification. I >>> installed compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. I notice >>> that Enhanced Zoom Desktop is enabled by default. I changed some short >>> cut keys for avoiding using the Suer key. In Unity and Metacity >>> nothing happens with magnification while in Gnome-shell it works. But >>> in Gnome-shell negative view is not working after I checked this >>> function. Do you have some tips? Thanks. >> Gnome-shell works great but for negative view you should install xcalib >> command with option "-i -a". In the keyboard settings you can affect >> keyboard shortcut to this command. >> >> Best regards. >> > -- Jean-Philippe MENGUAL HYPRA, progressons ensemble Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 Mail: contact at hypra.fr Site Web: http://hypra.fr From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Nov 21 17:07:10 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 18:07:10 +0100 Subject: {Spam?} Re: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <5650A0D7.5010804@arnaud.link> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <56507863.1060209@arnaud.link> <56509F4D.4000803@tomaatnet.nl> <5650A0D7.5010804@arnaud.link> Message-ID: <5650A4BE.1050605@tomaatnet.nl> Hi Alex, For adding a new short key I have to type the command for the negative view to start or to stop. What command do you use? Even it is in French maybe I can recognise some. Thanks. Milton Op 21-11-15 om 17:50 schreef Alex ARNAUD: > On 21/11/2015 17:43, Milton wrote: >> Hi Alex, >> >> I installed xcalib and when I ran xcalib -i -a in a terminal I get >> indeed the negative view. Thanks. But in the keyboard settings I >> cannot find the short key setting for to toggle it on or off. In >> compizconfig-settings-manager I did check the negative function but >> the short key does nothing. > OK, the steps in Gnome-shell are : > 1) Go to keyboard settings > 2) Go to the second tab > 3) Go to last item on the left panel to create personalized shortcuts > 4) Add new one with the command and define a keyboard shortcuts > > I use a French system so I cannot give you the right name of element. > > Best regards. > From alex at arnaud.link Sat Nov 21 18:37:42 2015 From: alex at arnaud.link (Alex ARNAUD) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 19:37:42 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <5650A4BE.1050605@tomaatnet.nl> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <56507863.1060209@arnaud.link> <56509F4D.4000803@tomaatnet.nl> <5650A0D7.5010804@arnaud.link> <5650A4BE.1050605@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <5650B9F6.6050302@arnaud.link> On 21/11/2015 18:07, Milton wrote: > Hi Alex, > For adding a new short key I have to type the command for the negative > view to start or to stop. What command do you use? Even it is in > French maybe I can recognise some. The command is "xcalib -i -a". -- Alex From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sat Nov 21 19:22:11 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:22:11 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <5650B9F6.6050302@arnaud.link> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <56507863.1060209@arnaud.link> <56509F4D.4000803@tomaatnet.nl> <5650A0D7.5010804@arnaud.link> <5650A4BE.1050605@tomaatnet.nl> <5650B9F6.6050302@arnaud.link> Message-ID: <5650C463.8010003@tomaatnet.nl> Many thanks Alex, it works! Milton Op 21-11-15 om 19:37 schreef Alex ARNAUD: > On 21/11/2015 18:07, Milton wrote: >> Hi Alex, >> For adding a new short key I have to type the command for the negative >> view to start or to stop. What command do you use? Even it is in >> French maybe I can recognise some. > The command is "xcalib -i -a". > From 0123peter at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 23:36:01 2015 From: 0123peter at gmail.com (blind Pete) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:36:01 +1100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <140aic-89b.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> Milton wrote: > Hi List, > > I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 15.10 to try magnification. I installed > compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. I notice that Enhanced > Zoom Desktop is enabled by default. I changed some short cut keys for > avoiding using the Suer key. In Unity and Metacity nothing happens with > magnification while in Gnome-shell it works. But in Gnome-shell negative > view is not working after I checked this function. Do you have some > tips? Thanks. > Milton Xubuntu 15.10 zooms and pans without any configuration. Just hold the key and scroll the mouse wheel. -- blind Pete Sig goes here... From milton at tomaatnet.nl Mon Nov 23 07:23:16 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 08:23:16 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <140aic-89b.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <140aic-89b.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> Message-ID: <5652BEE4.2070408@tomaatnet.nl> Is Xubuntu accessible with Orca? Milton Op 23-11-15 om 00:36 schreef blind Pete: > Milton wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 15.10 to try magnification. I installed >> compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. I notice that Enhanced >> Zoom Desktop is enabled by default. I changed some short cut keys for >> avoiding using the Suer key. In Unity and Metacity nothing happens with >> magnification while in Gnome-shell it works. But in Gnome-shell negative >> view is not working after I checked this function. Do you have some >> tips? Thanks. >> Milton > > Xubuntu 15.10 zooms and pans without any configuration. Just hold the > key and scroll the mouse wheel. > From greggay at rogers.com Mon Nov 23 23:54:04 2015 From: greggay at rogers.com (Greg Gay) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:54:04 -0500 Subject: Second Call for Papers W4A2016 Message-ID: <5653A71C.5060006@rogers.com> Second Call for Papers W4A2016 W4A2016 April 11-13th 2016 “Education for All on the Web” is the theme for the 13th International Web for All Conference . W4A2016 will be set in Montreal, Canada, co-located with the 25th International World Wide Web Conference. Deadline for all submissions is January 15th, 2016. Submissions Submissions should detail novel engineering solutions and scientific insights into Web and Mobile technologies that impact the needs of diverse learners, and may be one of the following forms: 10-page technical papers (best paper award $2000), 4-page communication papers (best paper award $1000), 2-page extended abstracts for the Paciello Group Web Accessibility Challenge Award, and 2-page extended abstracts for the Google Doctoral Consortium competition (6 x $1000). (All accepted submissions are published to the ACM Digital Library ) Topics We invite you to submit your best work on improving and understanding access for people across the accessibility spectrum. 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URL: From 0123peter at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 02:15:36 2015 From: 0123peter at gmail.com (blind Pete) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 13:15:36 +1100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <140aic-89b.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> <5652BEE4.2070408@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <9rtcic-rh4.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> My main system is Trusty Tahr, but after a couple of reboots I can tell you that it is easy to install gnome-orca on WW Xubuntu and that it announces itself when started from the command line. What else is does or fails to do I don't know. bP Milton wrote: > Is Xubuntu accessible with Orca? > Milton > > Op 23-11-15 om 00:36 schreef blind Pete: >> Milton wrote: >> >>> Hi List, >>> >>> I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 15.10 to try magnification. I installed >>> compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. I notice that Enhanced >>> Zoom Desktop is enabled by default. I changed some short cut keys for >>> avoiding using the Suer key. In Unity and Metacity nothing happens with >>> magnification while in Gnome-shell it works. But in Gnome-shell negative >>> view is not working after I checked this function. Do you have some >>> tips? Thanks. >>> Milton >> >> Xubuntu 15.10 zooms and pans without any configuration. Just hold the >> key and scroll the mouse wheel. >> -- blind Pete Sig goes here... From alex at arnaud.link Tue Nov 24 06:34:12 2015 From: alex at arnaud.link (Alex ARNAUD) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 07:34:12 +0100 Subject: magnification in Ubuntu 15.10? In-Reply-To: <9rtcic-rh4.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> References: <56506ED0.3080704@tomaatnet.nl> <140aic-89b.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> <5652BEE4.2070408@tomaatnet.nl> <9rtcic-rh4.ln1@psd.motzarella.org> Message-ID: <565404E4.3090908@arnaud.link> On 24/11/2015 03:15, blind Pete wrote: > My main system is Trusty Tahr, but after a couple of reboots > I can tell you that it is easy to install gnome-orca on > WW Xubuntu and that it announces itself when started from > the command line. What else is does or fails to do I don't > know. If I remember there are some accessibility issues in XFCE. The only accessible desktop are Gnome and Mate. Unity is accessible only for the blind. -- Alex From milton at tomaatnet.nl Sun Nov 29 18:24:59 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:24:59 +0100 Subject: blurry view with magnification in Gnome Message-ID: <565B42FB.8030607@tomaatnet.nl> Hi List, I use Ubuntu 14.04.3 with Orca 3.18 and installed gnome-shell for someone to work with magnification. I also installed compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. Now I can toggle magnification on or off, zoom in and zoom out. The only thing left to be perfect is sharpness. The view is blurry. Did I miss something? Do you have tips for me? Thanks. Milton From alexarnaud at member.fsf.org Mon Nov 30 04:35:52 2015 From: alexarnaud at member.fsf.org (Alex ARNAUD) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:35:52 +0100 Subject: blurry view with magnification in Gnome In-Reply-To: <565B42FB.8030607@tomaatnet.nl> References: <565B42FB.8030607@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <565BD228.3020600@member.fsf.org> On 29/11/2015 19:24, Milton wrote: > Hi List, Hi Milton > I use Ubuntu 14.04.3 with Orca 3.18 and installed gnome-shell for > someone to work with magnification. I also installed > compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. Now I can toggle > magnification on or off, zoom in and zoom out. The only thing left to > be perfect is sharpness. The view is blurry. Did I miss something? Do > you have tips for me? Can you explain your problem with more detailed ?. If I remember Gnome3 and Compiz aren't compatible. What desktop environment are you using and what screen magnifier ? At which level of zoom are you (6x/7x and more ?)? I believe but not sure the visual impaired community are mostly composed of blind people. We are a very little community that uses screen magnifier at the time but I expect with recent changes new user come to grow the Linux screen magnifier community. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD From milton at tomaatnet.nl Mon Nov 30 08:20:47 2015 From: milton at tomaatnet.nl (Milton) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 09:20:47 +0100 Subject: blurry view with magnification in Gnome In-Reply-To: <565BD228.3020600@member.fsf.org> References: <565B42FB.8030607@tomaatnet.nl> <565BD228.3020600@member.fsf.org> Message-ID: <565C06DF.1010304@tomaatnet.nl> Hi Alex, I only use Orca myself but often people ask me for magnification. Because I got no result in Unity and Gnome-flashback-Metacity I use Gnome-shell 3.10.4. I do not know the screen level because Orca do not say this. I use the build-in magnifyer, I toggel the zoom, zoom-in en zoom-out through the shortcut keys in Systemsettings > Keyboardsetting. So I did not check the magnification in the compizconfig-setting-manager. Milton Op 30-11-15 om 05:35 schreef Alex ARNAUD: > On 29/11/2015 19:24, Milton wrote: >> Hi List, > Hi Milton >> I use Ubuntu 14.04.3 with Orca 3.18 and installed gnome-shell for >> someone to work with magnification. I also installed >> compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-plugins. Now I can toggle >> magnification on or off, zoom in and zoom out. The only thing left to >> be perfect is sharpness. The view is blurry. Did I miss something? Do >> you have tips for me? > Can you explain your problem with more detailed ?. If I remember Gnome3 > and Compiz aren't compatible. What desktop environment are you using and > what screen magnifier ? At which level of zoom are you (6x/7x and more ?)? > > I believe but not sure the visual impaired community are mostly composed > of blind people. We are a very little community that uses screen > magnifier at the time but I expect with recent changes new user come to > grow the Linux screen magnifier community. > > Best regards. > -- > Alex ARNAUD > From daveginboav at googlemail.com Mon Nov 30 17:29:27 2015 From: daveginboav at googlemail.com (David Goldsbrough) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 17:29:27 +0000 Subject: blurry view with magnification in Gnome Message-ID: I am learning as I go with all this and my level of understanding is still not that great. I only recently suffered from low vision due to a retina tear in my left eye. My right eye has been next to useless since I was 14. I am now 62. I also have to configure Windoze 7 for my voluntary work that uses an app that only works through Internet Explorer. What I have found so far is that there are at least 3 or 4 approaches to achieving some degree of acceptable use in both Operating Systems. When it comes to clarity - then I have found that only comes with increased magnification but then I lose content so need to scroll more. I find Firefox brilliant for all its add-ons and currently use Nosquint and Theme Font & Size Changer to really get a browser experience that suits my needs. Add compiz to this which assists with zooming and I get by - just and even then I often need to resort to a hand-held magnifying glass. Talking of which- I am convinced that a lower tech solution can help so my optician is making up some specs for me purely for computer work - I take delivery Thursday and fully expect to go back to the drawing board to tweek my systems. DaveG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexarnaud at member.fsf.org Mon Nov 30 21:06:22 2015 From: alexarnaud at member.fsf.org (Alex ARNAUD) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 22:06:22 +0100 Subject: blurry view with magnification in Gnome In-Reply-To: <565C06DF.1010304@tomaatnet.nl> References: <565B42FB.8030607@tomaatnet.nl> <565BD228.3020600@member.fsf.org> <565C06DF.1010304@tomaatnet.nl> Message-ID: <565CBA4E.6020309@member.fsf.org> On 30/11/2015 09:20, Milton wrote: > Hi Alex, Hi Milton > I only use Orca myself but often people ask me for magnification. > Because I got no result in Unity and Gnome-flashback-Metacity I use > Gnome-shell 3.10.4. OK, it's a very old version of Gnome that I haven't used. I used Gnome 3 since Gnome 3.16. > I do not know the screen level because Orca do not say this. I use the > build-in magnifyer, I toggel the zoom, zoom-in en zoom-out through the > shortcut keys in Systemsettings > Keyboardsetting. So I did not check > the magnification in the compizconfig-setting-manager. You can install CCSM because the information is provided by Accessibility section on Gnome settings panel. Can you give me more information about users : - Are there visual impaired ? - At which zoom level they find it blurry ? Personally I've a so bad view to find anything blurry. Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD