ubuntu on pi 4

[Daniel Crone]

With the help of be my eyes, I put ubuntu on a pi 4.
Then ran update and upgrade with terminal.
I put the mate desktop on it, and had to choose between gdm 3 and light dm.
I chose light dm, then restarted.
When restarting, the drums were there, which had not been so before.
But no matter what, orca would not talk until after logging in.
Because there was no talking at log in, I cannot choose mate.
What I hope to do is to put fenrir or speakup on this system and find a way to start in the console.
I want to then start gnome or mate, one or the other when I like.
I welcome any advice you can give.