[ubuntu-art] hardy gtk theme

[Andreas Nilsson]

Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> On 07/11/2007, *Troy James Sobotka* <troy.sobotka at gmail.com 
> <mailto:troy.sobotka at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     <SNIP>
>     2) The heavy Crayola outlining of all buttons / tabs / etc. is
>        completely counter any notion of elegance or grace.  It is perhaps
>        the weakest element of Tango, and it simply makes work look
>        bold and clunky.  Assuming a general audience, we can assume that
>        they can find a button with a fine line.  Please let the caustic
>        outlines of Clearlooks / Tango / et al die.  It is just weak.
>
>
>
> I somewhat agree with you. I think Tango is great, but I don't think 
> that it is "Ubuntuish" in any way.
Hi Mikkel!
I'm not sure what kind of elegance you are looking for, but a good point 
for giving a tango-styled icon theme a shot is that is what GNOME 
upstream is using and a whole bunch of 3rd party developers. [1]. I 
haven't seen another style for GNOME with the same coverage yet. I think 
it would be really cool if we could start focusing on the final focus on 
the remaining bits instead of the 12-14 base icons over and over again.
Mike Beltzner recently pointed out that the interface unpredictability 
was the reasoning behind giving Firefox 3 the Vista look on Linux. We're 
working that issue out with them though.
I find the Pages/Numbers interface [2] and the work of Jasper [3] quite 
nice and find it quite elegant.
I guess what I find most attractive about Apple's interfaces is the fact 
that it's clean. No icons in neither menus or pushbuttons and smart 
designed interfaces.

I like the work Kenneth and others have done on Oxygen, but I'm afraid 
it's something that is KDE4 specific and I think the aim is for it to be 
included in Kubuntu in Hardy+1.


1. http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Showroom
2. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/Pages3.png
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Numbers.png
3. http://www.jasperhauser.nl/icon/

- Andreas
>
>
>     3) The radius of Patel's buttons is a lovely compliment of both
>        subtlety and other features is wonderful.  The subtlety of the
>        linework is something to aim for.  Even the buttons could use
>        some lightening on the lines.  Metacity 2.0 can even do the windows
>        to a similar radii, but the antialiasing makes it rather clunky
>        looking.  We would need to resolve this to go with that lovely
>        radius on the windows.
>
>
> There is some elegance in the Oxygen screenshot Günther posted here 
> (mostly the top one) 
> http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2007/11/decisionsdecisionsdecisions-so-many.html
>
> I do not feel ashamed of being inspired by other artists. Both oxygen 
> and openmoko contains some good stuff I think we should let us inspire 
> by. We can still move in an original direction if the original 
> inspiration was found in other work.
>
>
>     4) The uniform Metacity to GTK Patel window is top shelf, even if
>     a bit
>        OSX.  Another +1 from me.
>
>
> What  image are you refering to here?
>
>     5) I dare say that I disagree with the esteemed MacSlow on the
>     point of
>        differing radii on the various controls.  Contrast is a wonderful
>        thing.  And god knows we have lived long enough in the
>     monochromatic
>        Ubuntu world.
>
>
> +1 Visual contrast of forms is a way to make the widgets more 
> distinct. Doing it too much results in visual clutter -- needles to say.
>
>     6) Glossy is done like dinner.  It is completely mooky to keep
>     following
>        that path, as it was way back in Edgy.
>
>
> Sorry, but I don't understand that sentence. Are you for or againt 
> gloss? :-)
>
> Back to work, cheers
> Mikkel
>